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Speaker 1: Obviously, I misdiagnosed myself as an offshore man. Bit of background, guys. I have been hyper fixated in colour analysis for a while now. And as Rach mentioned that with it, you need to send in the photo with like no makeup on and that.
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Speaker 2: And I have ADHD.
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Speaker 1: So I paid for my service with Rach months and months earlier.
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Speaker 3: It could have been almost two years, I think. That checks out.
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Speaker 1: Many weeks ago, I came on my show and told you guys that I am a soft autumn. Now, if you guys know anything about color analysis, you know that I'm obsessed with this at the moment because when I thought I was an autumn, I really felt like it elevated my look. It elevated, you know, my doable glow up and made it just so much more doable. Anyway, I decided to actually get a proper color analysis done and it turns out I'm not a soft autumn at all. So I decided to bring on the one and only Rach from Colour Lab who is a colour analysis and she is just incredible at what she does. She breaks down what a colour analysis is and how this can make, you know, getting ready every single day just so much more easier. And when you listen to this episode, you'll understand why learning what colours really are flattering for you not only is making everyday easier and making shopping easier but It's also just really empowering for, you know, especially the generation, like millennials, where we've grown up feeling like we have to fit into a box and morph into being the same, like copy-paste kind of fashion. So whether you are already a fashionista or you're an everyday mom and you just want to elevate, you know, your look and just really just hone in on who you are and just finding your colors and how many more areas in your life that knowing your color season helps. It's not just clothes. this will change the game for you. All right, Rachel, welcome to Stepping Up. Thank you so much. I am so excited.
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Speaker 2: You are our first guest that we've had this season.
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Speaker 3: What an honour. I'm so honoured.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. And you flew all the way here to yap with me.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm from Melbourne. I'm excited to be here.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, my love.
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Speaker 1: And you look absolutely stunning, guys. And if you're listening, I wish you could see her. She's in all her coloured glory of what she's meant to be wearing with her season. And if you guys have been listening at all, you would know that I'm obsessed with colour analysis. It has genuinely changed my life. So, of course, I had to bring in Rach to be my first guest and I feel like I'm going to have to watch the time with us because I feel like her and I, we're going to talk for a long time, I feel.
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Speaker 3: Totally. We could yap forever about colour.
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Speaker 1: So, Rach, how do you introduce yourself at a barbecue when someone asks what you do?
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Speaker 3: It's so difficult when you do something a little bit niche. It depends who asks me. If a man asks me, I'll just kind of say, oh, I just work in a field with colour and helping people find colours and they just kind of leave it at that. But usually what I'll say, especially if it's a woman around my age, I'll say, have you ever seen that thing on social media where people are holding up different fabrics and they go, oh, yeah, yeah, I've seen that. I'm like, well, that's what I do, but I do it all virtually.
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Speaker 1: So cool. It's fun. studied you were like obviously in the beauty space and study psychology yeah yeah and then how did you get from there to be doing what you do now as a we're doing color analysis.
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Speaker 3: It was a bit of a weird path but I always say that everything I did kind of led me to where I am now so when I finished school I studied beauty and did makeup and everything like that and Then I stepped into skin. After that, I studied media and comms. Oh, my God. So did I. Did you?
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Speaker 1: Yes, at uni.
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Speaker 3: We are twins, I think. Oh, my God.
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Speaker 1: I love this.
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Speaker 3: Two Scorpios as well. We were just saying that earlier. So, yeah, I did media and comms and then psych. And so it kind of sounds like a random mix, but I use all of those things in what I do now. Like, obviously, with makeup, I choose makeup products for my clients these days. Media and comms was important because I do a lot of social media work. psychology, we learnt a lot about the eye and perception of colour, which is kind of like the more scientific side of colour. So everything's kind of a culmination of, I don't know how to explain it, but it's what I kind of do now and all summed up into one little package, I suppose. I love that.
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Speaker 1: And I talk a lot about being a multi-passionate mess and being a jack-of-all-trades a lot of times as well in these episodes and in my book. And it is true that you really do take things from different careers and.
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Speaker 2: Chapters of your life. And it really does lead you to.
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Speaker 1: Where you are. And I'm so big on just pivoting with purpose. And there's so many women who are afraid to go out and change their career because they're afraid of what other people are going to think. And it just goes to show you that there's never a failure and there's always a lesson. And it's just collecting things along the way to do what you do now.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely. You never know where you're going to be in a year's time. You just have to take that first step. And I would totally agree with that, you know, if people listening as well kind of have a little passion that they're interested in, what's the harm in giving it a go? Because I never would have thought that I'd be doing this full time and here I am.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it's amazing. And, like, you know, you started Colour Lab in 2023, was it?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: And you felt like there was, like, a gap in Australia.
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Speaker 1: What do you– what is that– like, what did you mean by that and how do you feel that, you know, with Colour Lab you've filled that gap?
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Speaker 3: It's funny hearing that now because– It's changed so much since I first started in 2023. It was kind of like if you wanted to learn about color analysis, you'd Google it and there'd be some really kind of old looking websites that you might find maybe look like they were made in about like you know, 2003 or something like that.
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Speaker 1: For some reason, I just got the image of like, remember the old sex ed videos in primary school?
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Speaker 2: It's like, oh, this is really weird.
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Speaker 3: It's basically like that. That's what it felt like. It was really kind of old school. And I mean, colour analysis did actually start in the 80s. So a lot of people don't realise that. And so it was just feeling, to me at least, and in Australia specifically, a little bit like it needed a bit of a shake up and a bit of a freshen up. And at the time, there weren't really that many people doing the kind of virtual colour analysis in Australia. It's a different story now. It's everywhere now. But at the time, it just really needed somebody to come in and modernize it a little bit. You know, I wanted to change all of the examples of clothing, for example, to look like they were from now and not from 2014, you know, skinny jeans and things like that. It was just feeling really kind of old and I just wanted to kind of freshen it up a bit. And the other side of it too, was just wanting to kind of bring a little bit more of a scientific perspective to it. It is an art, but there is a science to it in terms of color theory, color perception and things like that. And with a science background I kind of wanted to bring a bit of that into it as well I love.
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Speaker 1: That too because like on this podcast whenever I talk about I don't know like routines or hacks and things like that I always like to provide the science behind it because I'm someone like I wish I was woo woo but I'm not really like I want to be but I need to know the facts before I'm like this is actually helpful you know what I mean so I'd love that you do that yeah um So pretend I'm 12 years old. Can you explain to someone who's never heard about colour analysis or seasons or spring, summer, autumn, what is colour analysis and what does it look like when you get, say, an in-person colour analysis versus a virtual one?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. So colour analysis, if you've never heard of it before, this is the first time you've ever heard of it. Basically, my job is to help you to find the colours that match your natural features and So I basically have to determine where on the spectrum of color you and your coloring fits. And if you've heard of color seasons before, basically they're just the categorizations that we use or the labels that we give. So essentially in the system that I work with, we have 12 different seasons that you could belong to. They're the same as the weather season. So we've got summer, autumn, winter, and spring. And in terms of why they were called that, it's just because the colors do kind of like link up with that. So, for example, if you picture autumn colors, you're probably thinking of like burgundy and brown and those kinds of colors, which is exactly what is in the autumn season. But they're just labels. They don't really mean very much. Under those four umbrella seasons, we have three sub-seasons. which means that there's 12 seasons in total.
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Speaker 1: So many.
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Speaker 3: So many seasons. And I will say as well, for those listening who do know about colour analysis, there are different systems as well. So some people do 16 seasons, 35 seasons.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 3: So there's a lot of different systems, especially now, like I said, this industry has grown so much. And for that reason... there are a lot of different options, but I personally choose to work with the 12 seasons. And essentially what we're doing is we're trying to figure out where you sit on three different spectrums. So we've got your undertone, your chroma and your contrast level, and everybody has a little different point where they sit there. Based on that point that you sit on those spectrums, you'll align with a color season. And within that color season are a series of colors that will suit you best. And so that's kind of, I guess, to sum it up, how it works in terms of in-person versus virtual. So like I mentioned at the start with the colour drapes that you might have seen on social media before, basically in-person we've got people holding up different fabrics to compare and show you visually what the difference is between those different colours and also for themselves as the analyst to see the changes happening. In virtual analysis, we actually do the same thing. We just have... virtual drapes instead. So basically little different colour backgrounds that will crop your face onto and compare.
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Speaker 1: I saw that, it looked lovely.
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Speaker 3: It's not the most flattering thing because we do ask you to take a photo without makeup on because it's all based on your natural features. But I guess that's obviously what we want to do to ensure that we're getting it right. And with virtual as well, it depends on who you see. But for me, I think in virtual, we have a lot more focus on those contrast chroma undertone because lighting does play a little bit of a role. And so I really like to focus more on the measurable things. So I can really measurably understand somebody's undertone based on the colours present in their skin. I can understand their chroma based on how soft or bright they are, and I can pinpoint that on a spectrum. So for me, that's actually way more important than even using those colour drapes. But essentially, that's how it all works.
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Speaker 1: It's amazing. And it's so interesting that, like, you know, that.
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Speaker 2: Obviously, I misdiagnosed myself as an autumn.
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Speaker 1: And it was funny because, you know, there was a lot of the colours in, you know, a bit of background, guys. I have been hyper fixated in colour analysis for a while now. And as Rach mentioned that with it, you need a setting in the photo with like no makeup on and that. And I have ADHD. So I paid for my service with Rach months and months earlier.
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Speaker 2: Like I feel like it was a year.
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Speaker 3: It could have been almost two years, I think.
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Speaker 2: That checks out.
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Speaker 1: So I really want, but for me, it's like little executive dysfunction. Like I just had to just get this photo. I needed to do the things and it just, and then I finally did it. And then when Rach sent me my color analysis, which I think you're a bit nervous, weren't you?
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Speaker 2: Just tell me that I wasn't a soft author.
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Speaker 3: It's scary to tell people something that they maybe don't want to hear.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, I had a whole wardrobe of like muted colors, but it's funny because I remember, like, when I first thought I was an autumn, which, by the way, guys, ChatGPT told me that, and we'll get into that soon. But, you know, a lot of people are using AI for, you know, their colour analysis. And ChatGPT loves soft autumns for some reason. Like, he or she or it keeps telling everyone they're a soft autumn. So I went on and I literally culled all my wardrobe. But the funny thing is I kept a lot of certain colours that– It wasn't technically in my autumn season, but when I went to look at it, to put it into Vinnie's bin or whatever, I was like, oh no, I'll keep these. So then when Rach sent me and told me I was a light spring, which is like complete opposite, I was like, oh, and it felt like my life flashed before my eyes and everything started making sense of why these certain colors look better on me than the others. And it just, for me, I think why I have become so obsessed with color analysis is.
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Speaker 2: Because I get, I would get so frustrated.
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Speaker 1: At, you know, going out and buying a new outfit and then like things not working together. And then, and you blame yourself for not looking good and you blame yourself for, you know, not looking put together or like things not flattering you, but it comes down to your color season. And I think that's why I'm so, there's so many reasons why, but it's, I think it's just super important. And it just makes things like, you know, we can get into later, but like shopping and that just so, like it just makes, everything just makes sense.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely. And that's what most people want, right? Is, you know, you don't want to have a heap of decisions to make in your day. A lot of your listeners, I'm sure, are busy mums and people, professionals that just don't have time to mess around trying to figure out what suits them and what doesn't. So it's really nice to have a little bit of a rule book to follow that gives you the kind of cheat codes to your own colouring. And to get these things right makes such a big difference. Like, for example, your hair.
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Speaker 4: Yes.
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Speaker 3: That frames your face. If the colour's not right, we've all had that experience where we dyed our hair maybe when we were like 18 and it just looked terrible. And if you don't have the answers as to why it looks terrible... it becomes really confusing. You go back to the salon, you dyed another color that doesn't look quite right either. And you waste so much time and money trying to fix these problems when all you should have done in the first place is just find out the colors that suit you. And it just becomes simple.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And it really, so when I first put on Instagram that I was a soft autumn, did you, did you know, like, can you tell pretty quick what people are?
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Speaker 3: I can.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: So when I was like, guys, I'm a soft autumn and I did post, I did this doable glow up series because I was like, and I was like, I need to get my, because I felt like something was off, but I was also like, I was really feeling inspired with like this doable glow up.
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Speaker 2: So I just go with what my, what I'm feeling creatively.
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Speaker 1: But like, what did you think when you saw me, to be honest, when you saw.
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Speaker 2: Me, you're like, no, no, no.
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Speaker 3: It's so funny because it's so, it's so common. Like nearly every day on social media, I see someone going, guys, I think I'm this. And I'm looking at them thinking, oh, like I would, I wish I could just message all of you and be like, guys, you're this. So I did see it and I thought, she's close. I thought, you know, you've got, you've ticked some boxes, which we had a chat about as well. But that's one thing is that you might get one component, right? Like you might, you might really understand your undertone and be like, I'm really certain that I have a warm, neutral undertone, for example, but the other concepts, maybe you haven't grasped and then that can place you into the wrong season. And it's just the smallest shifts that can make a big difference. So, yeah, it wasn't a shock because you weren't too far off.
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Speaker 2: At least I wasn't like, I'm winter.
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Speaker 3: Did I DM you? Did I message you?
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Speaker 2: I don't even remember.
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Speaker 1: You didn't tell me what I was or anything like that. I think you were just like, we need to do your analysis or something.
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Speaker 3: Like, hi, reminder.
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Speaker 1: You were like, please, let me help you. You bought a whole new wardrobe and it's wrong.
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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sorry.
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Speaker 2: No, no, I love it.
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Speaker 1: And it was funny because when Rach sent me my, my results and you're like, oh, like, I hope this is okay.
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Speaker 2: Like, I hope this wasn't too much of a shock.
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Speaker 1: And I was so excited because, as I said, it just made everything feel so, like, make so much sense. And obviously today, I know if you guys are listening, you won't be able to see, but I'm wearing, like, an orange.
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Speaker 2: Coloured top today.
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Speaker 3: Perfect.
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Speaker 2: Is that, like, the right tone, I'm saying?
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Speaker 3: Yes, correct.
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Speaker 1: So, Rach, we're going to, like, Rach has bought, like, a dark coloured top and we're just going to, like, hold it up and maybe we can just, like, explain what it does to my colouring.
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Speaker 3: For sure.
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Speaker 1: And then we can, like... yeah, see if it works out with the audio or not. And otherwise we'll just keep it for socials. So can you, like, can you explain if you're wearing, so, you know, like for me, I wore black for so long. Like everyone feels like you need to have black in your wardrobe. So what does someone do if black isn't in.
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Speaker 2: Your colour season? So for me, black's not in my colour season.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I think that's a scary thing for a lot of people. And it was probably one of the things that sometimes scares people off having a colour analysis is finding out certain colours that they have worn before. religiously for years are no longer one of their best options. So the first thing I would say is that if it's not in your season, there will always be an alternative. So for you, you have a warmer leaning undertone. You have quite light features overall in terms of the whole spectrum of colouring. And your chroma is in the medium range. So your chroma is how soft or how bright you appear, which means you're not super bright, but you're not super soft. And when we think about the color... I'm definitely not super bright. You are, you are. Don't say that. But you want to think about the color and how that aligns with those things. So that's why we do that. That's why we figure out where you sit on those different, at what points on those spectrums, because then you can kind of assess colors based on your own features. So for you, you'd look at the color black and you'd go, okay, well, I have a warm neutral undertone. Black's quite a cool color. So straight away, there's one way that it's not going to be great. I have really light features, but black is a really dark color. So that's going to be opposite as well. And then in terms of chroma, people probably will struggle to figure that out on their own. But so, you know, black tends to be a very saturated color. So it's it's kind of considered a bright color, even though it doesn't come across as bright. So that's not too far from your features, but it's far enough that it's going to cause an issue when all three of those categories are kind of off.
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Speaker 2: Makes me look like a corpse.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. It's just too cool. It's too dark. So what you want to think instead is what's a color that's similar to that, but maybe has a little bit more harmony with me. So for you, you might think of a dark brown instead because it's still got that depth. It still feels like a neutral that you can wear in place of black, but it's a little bit warmer, so it's better for your undertone. You can pick one that's not too dark.
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Speaker 2: I've got one here.
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Speaker 1: Let me grab it.
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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, perfect.
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Speaker 2: So I've got two examples here.
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Speaker 1: So what would you say this is?
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Speaker 3: It's a dark charcoal, I would say.
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Speaker 4: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Let's see.
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Speaker 1: What's it doing to me, Rach?
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Speaker 3: So what we're seeing with this color is that it's quite heavy on you. So what we're seeing is the color before we see you. It drags our eyes down. It doesn't bring our eyes up. And it is causing a little bit of shadowing to your face as well.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So it makes me look a little bit haggard. So this is, and pretty much all my wardrobe was black for a long, long time. And when I was a makeup artist, it's all I wore.
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Speaker 3: Really?
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Speaker 4: Yes.
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Speaker 1: And I wore a lot of, like, I, for years, Rach, had really light white blonde hair. And I found I had to be really, really fake tan, had to have a lot of makeup on. And if I had no fake tan in that, I used to just look kind of like sick. Yeah. A little bit dead, which isn't really a vibe. And then I remember when I dyed my hair like this more coppery color. It was in 2022 and I thought I was having like an early midlife crisis. But then I dyed it and I was like, it's like I came alive.
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Speaker 3: Totally. And it suits you so much. That color would not suit just anyone either. Yeah. So that's a really good sign that it belongs to your season. Whereas when you had your really kind of ashy blonde hair, which a lot of us had in like the 2010s.
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Speaker 2: It's very millennial, isn't it?
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Speaker 3: Very millennial. I had it too.
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Speaker 2: And we used to do like the purple. shampoo.
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Speaker 3: The ashier, the lighter, the better. And unless you have a very cool undertone and a low contrast, so summers, for example, looks great on them. But you're kind of on the edge because you are a spring, but you're a light spring. So light springs kind of sit on the cusp of summer.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So it wouldn't have been, in terms of the lightness of the colour, it wouldn't have been too bad for you, but it's so cool and you have that slight warm lean. So against your skin tone, it would have just washed you out, which is why you felt the need to put heaps of tan on because that's kind of offsetting that washing you out effect.
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Speaker 1: And I think what I also love, so I'm like got distracted here, but What I love too is that with colour analysis, I feel like, especially us growing up, we always felt like we needed to morph in and fit into a box. So for me, I always felt I had to be beautiful. I had to be blonde.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 1: And I'd pluck my eyebrows so thin. But I feel like with this, you're really just embracing who you're colouring and who you're meant to be and what suits you. And I love that.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely. I think that's my favourite thing about colour analysis. A lot of people don't realise... that it goes this deep, but it really does. It helps you to understand the colors that suit your natural skin tone, your natural hair color. And then that gives you the permission to kind of step back into that a little bit. So for me, for example, I used to sunbake all the time, fake tan constantly, which there's nothing wrong with fake tanning at all, if that's what you want to do.
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Speaker 2: I literally, yeah. That's the thing.
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Speaker 3: A lot of us Aussie girls are, but it's really difficult. Like, especially like I had a girlfriend who's just had a baby and She's like, I don't have time to tan at the moment. And what's the alternative? Are you just going to sit there postpartum feeling really gross because you're not tanned? Or are you going to learn ways to feel beautiful with your natural skin tone? Even my hair color, I used to be blonde as well. And now this is just my natural color.
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Speaker 1: It's stunning.
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Speaker 3: Thank you. And I never would have considered that before. I always had to have at least some highlights or something. But once you learn all these little tips and tricks, you get your makeup right. You get the colors right. your skin tone and your hair color all start to make sense. And you just, you don't spend as much money and you spend less time kind of staring in the mirror being like, oh, I can't put my finger on what I don't like about that. So it's quite transformative really.
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Speaker 1: It is. Like that's what I think, like I can always find meaning in pretty much anything, let's be honest, good or bad, but I do, I feel like it runs so much deeper. And I think it's a, it's a breath of fresh air. And I think it's really, really healing for us millennial girls, like what we grew up with, with the magazines and how everyone kind of tried to look the same. I think it's amazing.
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Speaker 3: You're right about the millennials too because I think this younger generation, they're all into like the clean girl aesthetic and like less makeup, whereas we grew up it was very much like bleach your hair, tan your skin, wear like caked on makeup, you know. So we've really been told for our whole lives we've got to change everything. So it's something really freeing about being like, you know what, I'm okay just how I am. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And, yeah, again, like and it's not like– It was never you. It was the shirt.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Literally.
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Speaker 1: All right.
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Speaker 2: So I got off topic here. So we've got the black. It makes me look like a corpse. So what's an alternative, say, for me as a light spring as for more of a black?
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So for springs and autumns, rather than wearing black, which is too cool for them, you can definitely do a brown. There's best browns for each season. But for you, this is a pretty good one because it's not super dark and you can get like a really dark espresso brown that might also have that same effect as black. Whereas that one's a bit more of like a medium brown and the undertone of it is warm leaning, but it's not super warm that it's really orange. So that's a really good brown for you. But I mean, just look at the difference of like between the two. Like you just look so much brighter. Quick, quick, quick. Yeah, it's like night and day for you. And it's just these small little changes that make such a big difference.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing. So you touched on this briefly, but outside of clothes, what other things can colour analysis help me with? So you give me my season, what can I do with it?
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Speaker 2: What happens?
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Speaker 3: So when clients book with me for our total package where everything is included, You'll get advice on so many different things, but obviously wardrobe is what most people think. So all the different colors that you can wear for your wardrobe. But the other things that you can do is your hair color. So like we mentioned, figuring out whether ash blonde suits you or if you need a more honey blonde or whether you should be blonde at all. Just recently, we released our new personalized hair guides, which I'm so excited about because even if you are someone who's had a color analysis before, communicating what you want to your hairdresser is a really difficult thing to do and what their interpretation of the color you're telling them you want is compared to what you know your interpretation of that is can be really different um just because the terminology can be very confusing so what i've actually done in this guide is we identify your hair level which is how light or dark your hair is and that's hairdresser speak so they get that um we then identify figure out your hair's undertone as well. So that can help us understand whether you want to go for more kind of warm, coppery tones, like your hair, for example, beautiful. Or if we do want to go down that really ashy blonde or like a cooler brunette like myself. And then we actually identify at each hair level, which kind of tones you can work with. So say you were a natural level three hair color, we'll show you all the.
00:25:28
Speaker 2: Different- So level three is dark.
00:25:31
Speaker 3: Level 3 is a very dark brown.
00:25:32
Speaker 2: Very dark.
00:25:32
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:25:33
Speaker 2: For people that don't know, yeah.
00:25:34
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it will identify that and then the tones within that that can work because you can have a level 3 brown that is warmer or cooler and we also identify the different highlight options. We give you options for like fantasy hair colours too if you want to go like pink or purple or something fun like that and also lots of advice about grey blending and going grey because that's kind of the next step in life is figuring all of that out as well.
00:25:59
Speaker 1: Yeah. So speaking of, can your color season change as you age?
00:26:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a really popular question because you'll notice that your features change as you age. So when we age, obviously for some people we go gray. And the other thing that happens is that your chroma does reduce slightly. So we didn't really touch on too much at the start what chroma was, but in case you're not aware, it just basically means it's in your skin and your eyes and it's how soft versus how bright or clear your features appear. So someone who's really soft and muted has kind of almost like a gentle blending of their features.
00:26:34
Speaker 1: Can you give a celebrity example?
00:26:37
Speaker 3: I would say a good example of soft would be Bella Hadid.
00:26:42
Speaker 2: Bella Hadid?
00:26:42
Speaker 3: Bella Hadid is a soft summer. We could also use me as an example. I have a soft chroma. So my husband always says to me, I look a little bit grey. Oh my God. Excuse me. Rude.
00:26:56
Speaker 2: You're in the doghouse now.
00:26:58
Speaker 3: It's true though. I genuinely do. And interestingly enough, when I do my makeup, I actually sometimes add a little bit of grey into my foundation because my skin is very desaturated. It's not very luminous and full of colour. Whereas people on the other end of the spectrum, the way that light reflects off their skin is different and it just looks a lot glowier. It's separate to, you know, having acne or breakouts or anything like that. Being clear doesn't mean having clear skin, but it's the hardest concept in color analysis to explain because unless you've seen that full spectrum and understood it, it's just really hard to grasp. But essentially that component of your coloring will soften as you age. So by that standard, you would assume that your color season would probably change, but What it does more than anything is just changes the colours that look best on you. So you'll still stay in your same season.
00:27:54
Speaker 2: So I'll still be a spring when I'm a grandma?
00:27:55
Speaker 3: You'll still be a spring. Your undertone will never change. It's just that your contrast could reduce a little bit if you go grey and your chroma could reduce a little bit as your skin and your eye colour soften a little bit. So what that means is that you'll just start to gravitate towards different colours within your season. Or you might also start to look at colours from seasons that neighbour yours. So it's a little bit hard to explain without a visual, but there is a little bit of a colour wheel that you can look up if you'd like to that is the colour analysis colour wheel. And it sits, every season sits with another season next to it. So wherever your season is, there'll be two that sit either side of it and they're kind of like your neighbouring seasons that you can play with. Yeah, which my approach to colour analysis is not really strict because colour is a spectrum, right? The season that you belong to is the colors that are your absolute best, that 100% match your features. But the colors that sit just either side of that, they're not going to be bad on you. They're still pretty good. Yeah, they may be not a perfect match. Exactly. And that's the other part of color analysis is, yeah, we're identifying your best, best colors. but we're also helping you to understand these are the ones that you probably just want to avoid altogether. And everything else in the middle is not too bad. Like if you want to play around with that, go ahead. But there's ones you want to wear to the wedding where you want to look your best. There's ones that you want to avoid and then everything else is kind of in the middle. But yeah, your color season will never 100% change. It's just more of a little shift, I would say.
00:29:25
Speaker 1: Yeah. And so like speaking of that too, how about fake tan? Does fake tan, because You know, you would assume fake tan would make you warmer or like can that change your color season what how does yeah things like fake tan and that type of.
00:29:36
Speaker 3: Thing definitely so it temporarily changes your appearance so um your color season will always remain the same because you're you're never changing but yes you can temporarily apply something to your skin to make it appear warmer so That's why a lot of people with a cool undertone are obsessed with tan because when you're cool, you're actually a lot more limited in the colors that look good on you because there are more warm options than there are cool.
00:30:02
Speaker 1: And you said that same with like, I remember your post, you did a post and you said even with hair color.
00:30:06
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly. The spectrum of color for hair is mostly warm. So when you're cool, specifically when you're very cool, it's really difficult. You'll find a lot of things look off on you. You're quite lucky with a warm neutral undertone. There's not a whole lot that will really kind of look off on you. But if you do have a fake tan and you have a cool undertone, it's going to warm up your complexion temporarily. And a lot of people with a cool undertone will like that because it gives them more flexibility. When you're very cool, not everything's going to suit you, especially like if we're thinking of like yellows, really warm reds, warm browns. Pretty much every person with a cool undertone knows.
00:30:48
Speaker 1: Especially when it's trending right now.
00:30:49
Speaker 3: That's the thing.
00:30:50
Speaker 1: It's been very autumn.
00:30:51
Speaker 3: Exactly.
00:30:52
Speaker 1: Is it autumn that's been really trending?
00:30:54
Speaker 3: Autumn's everywhere, especially in Australia coming out of autumn as well. The colour palette does gravitate towards that. And when it comes to makeup specifically, most makeup is really warm too. And so a lot of people rely on tan because it allows them to pull those things off. I'm very cool. So if I were to wear like a... coral lipstick, for example, or a gold eyeshadow with my natural skin tone, I would be like, and it used to happen to me in the past, I'd be like, why does that look so bad on me? I need to put a tan on, you know? Whereas, you know, once you know the colors that suit you best, you can kind of go, okay, I understand why that doesn't look good. And if I want it to look good, I can pop some tan on and that will help me. So the other thing a tan will do for everyone, even if you are warm, is increase your chroma a little bit. So have you ever noticed in summer, I noticed this in like, I think it was like 2012 or something, we were all wearing really fluorescent colors. Yes. Like the bright green and like really bright pink.
00:31:53
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:31:53
Speaker 3: And everyone used to say, oh, this looks really good on me when I have a tan.
00:31:56
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:31:57
Speaker 3: But that's because when you put tan on, you increase your chroma, which increases your tolerance for bright colors. And so that's why we are drawn to those brighter colors in summer when we have a tan or when we've applied a fake tan as well. So tan is a little bit of a secret weapon in some ways too. If you want to look better in something that you don't typically look better in. maybe worth a try.
00:32:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, tan just makes me feel good in general.
00:32:21
Speaker 2: That's the thing. I'm very dedicated to my tanning.
00:32:22
Speaker 3: There's nothing wrong with that. As long as you're not out there getting.
00:32:25
Speaker 2: Skin cancer, it's great.
00:32:27
Speaker 3: No, thanks.
00:32:27
Speaker 1: I'm good. Is there like certain fake tans that are better for like cooler seasons versus like, is there certain brands or like, you know, there's like green undertone and then violet.
00:32:36
Speaker 2: Do those things help people at all?
00:32:37
Speaker 3: They can definitely help. It's worth considering for sure. If you are naturally warmer leaning and You can kind of wear any tan. I wouldn't worry about, you know, whether if it says it's a cool tan and you're warm, don't worry about that. Where it does matter is if you have a cool undertone, you probably want to go for something that isn't going to be too orange in color because that can start to look a little bit off against maybe your eyes and your hair color and things like that. So there are options. I know Bondi Sands has, I think it's like a sapphire tan, they call it. They label it as a cool tone tan.
00:33:10
Speaker 2: So you're not going to turn into a smurf?
00:33:11
Speaker 3: No. Potentially. But I think, so the principle behind that is that blue or purple kind of cancels out orange. Like how we were talking about the purple shampoo in our hair when we were younger, that was because it cancels out the copper tones in your hair.
00:33:27
Speaker 2: We thought like that was brassy. Brassy is bad. But now I'm like, give me the brassy.
00:33:32
Speaker 3: Exactly. And this is all color theory at work, right? Is we're basically trying to cancel out one color with another one. But the problem with that is that the pigment in tan that actually tans your skin is is orange in color it's kind of like a brownie orange color and whilst we can add pigments to the tan to try and cool it down or neutralize the warmth the pigment itself that colors you can't be changed it is what it is and so it's really just a dye that they're adding so when you first put that tan on you'll be like wow this is a really cool like ashy kind of brown tan and But as that dye washes off in the shower, it will start to look warmer again.
00:34:12
Speaker 1: I've noticed that too. I'll notice when it's time for me to do a new tan, I start to go very orange, even for me.
00:34:19
Speaker 3: Exactly, because that's the true colour of the tan. So the companies will add these pigments in an effort to change it and it will help a little bit, but it's limited. So ultimately, there is no such thing as a cool tone tan. I think that's important to note and you're always warming yourself up if you do use a tan. But if you are cool... I would go for the ones that have, some of them have a gray base, some of them have a blue or a purple base. And I would just avoid, it's funny because you're often told to use a green base tan if you are cool. But the theory behind why you should use those tans is because they're trying to counteract colors in your skin. So they're assuming that if you're cool, you have red in your skin and that you want to neutralize that. So they put green in the tan. It's all very confusing, but ultimately just choose it based on formula is my opinion. Ultimately, if you're tanning, you're warming yourself up and it doesn't really matter too much.
00:35:14
Speaker 1: Oh, awesome. That's so helpful. And also like with the vein, you see the vein test where they say, is it blue, you're cool and you're green, you're warm.
00:35:21
Speaker 2: Is that true or is that a myth?
00:35:23
Speaker 3: It's a myth and it's a very widely spread myth. I feel like we can blame teen magazines for that.
00:35:28
Speaker 1: Because I feel like mine are more blue and I'm like, but I'm warm.
00:35:32
Speaker 2: So that was weird.
00:35:33
Speaker 3: Exactly. And so basically your skin tone is predicted by your melanin, which is the pigment in your skin that gives it color. So people with really dark skin have a lot of melanin. People with really light skin like us, naturally, we have very little melanin and we all have a unique mix of different pigments within that melanin that makes us warmer or cooler. Our veins are completely separate to that. So it is just a myth. But if you do want to understand more about undertone, essentially we have three main pigments that make up our undertone. So the colors are red, orange, and yellow. So you've probably noticed some people look a little bit pink in color. Some people do look a little bit yellow in color. Yeah. Other people do, if you think of a redhead, for example, they're quite, obviously their hair's quite red. They'll have quite orangey freckles in their skin. And that's actually how we determine how warm or cool you are. So the more orange pigment you have, the warmer you're going to be. And the less orange pigment you have, the cooler you're going to be.
00:36:31
Speaker 1: Well, that's so interesting. And then I found like, for me, like when I was wrongly diagnosing myself as an autumn person, The one thing that I kind of helped me the most, which I don't know if this is fully true, but like I found I looked better in gold jewelry versus silver. Is that a good indicator if someone's listening and they're like, okay, like I really want to do a color analysis soon, but I kind of just want to figure out if I'm warm or cool. Like what's a really kind of easy hack someone can do to figure out if they're warm or cool?
00:36:56
Speaker 3: So the gold and silver can be helpful. I think it's always important to remember though, when you're trying to do these things yourself, that it depends on your knowledge. If you don't know what you're looking for, then it's really hard And that's actually one of the things I found when I first looked into color analysis. I was like, it's like, what's your undertone? I'm thinking, I don't know what my undertone is. So it requires you to understand a lot, but it does help a little bit provided that you have a bit of an understanding of what it's supposed to do and what it's not supposed to do. But what I will say is, to kind of calm people down who get really upset when they find out, you know, gold isn't their best or silver's not their best is that you're typically wearing these metals in really small amounts. So you're wearing it as a ring or a bracelet or really tiny earrings.
00:37:37
Speaker 1: So still wear what you love.
00:37:39
Speaker 2: Wear what you love because.
00:37:40
Speaker 3: It doesn't have a massive impact on your coloring. What I will say though is it's important if you were going to go wear a sequin dress, for example, and it covers a lot of your body, that's when you really want to understand the metal that looks best on you. Um, but if it, if it suits you, it should feel as like it almost ties into your skin a little bit better. It kind of, you can almost see some of those colors reflected in your own skin in a sense. Um, but it is a little bit difficult to figure out.
00:38:07
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:38:08
Speaker 2: Well, clearly I'm definitely not a color analysis person.
00:38:10
Speaker 3: Well, you got it right. You knew that gold was better for you.
00:38:13
Speaker 2: So that was good at least.
00:38:15
Speaker 1: Um, so how does knowing like your color season change, you know, the way you shop, does it make it you know, like for me, for example, I've found like it's really helped with my decision fatigue. Like it's just like, I kind of go into a shop now and I'll just beeline towards the rack.
00:38:30
Speaker 2: I'm like, that looks spring-ish. I want to go over there. So how does it, like, how is it going to help people in day-to-day life really?
00:38:36
Speaker 1: And like, you know, people that are time poor mums, but you want to like, you know, and after kids, you do feel like kind of like you've lost yourself a little bit and you don't, you don't want to like, you don't have heaps of money to spend and you've got your wardrobes full of black. Like, so what, what are some Like, does it make shopping easier? And for people like that, like, how is that going to help them in day-to-day life, do you think? Just, like, feel like them again.
00:38:55
Speaker 3: For sure. So there's so many components, but exactly like you said, when you walk into a shop, luckily a lot of stores group their clothes into little sections throughout the store. So you'll have a little part that has a lot of the neutrals and then they might have some pink over here and some blue over here. And after about a month or so of understanding your colour season, you'll start to notice that you can really easily identify those things better. in a general setting like that. So you'll just walk right past the black. You'll walk right past the, you know, cool purple, for example, if that's not in your season. And it just kind of rules out. a lot of things for you that makes those decisions much easier to make. Same with online shopping too. You can filter in the filter section by color. So for me, there's particular colors I know are just a no-go. So like orange, for example, is not in my season at all.
00:39:44
Speaker 2: I wish you could filter if it.
00:39:44
Speaker 1: Was like a warm blue or a cool blue. Cause sometimes it's hard, like poor Rach, sometimes I'll send her stuff cause like I love my gym stuff and I'll be like, which one? So it's like, it'd be so cool if you could just like have another, another filter as well. Yeah.
00:39:57
Speaker 3: Just like have me in your pocket. I wish I could be that for people, but yeah, that, that is helpful to, is to, um, to filter through, through the colors. Um, Some websites are really good. And as you scroll through, they'll be sectioned into colors as well. So that can be really helpful. But the other thing that it can do to help you is actually putting outfits together. So depending on how seriously you want to take your color season. Very seriously. For Steph, very seriously. For me, very seriously. And your whole wardrobe starts to become this one color palette. And the great part about that is when you get up in the morning... and you've got to rush to school to drop off the kids, you grab a top and a pair of pants and everything matches. Whereas what I used to find before I started color analysis was I had a lot of clothes, but they were all different colors and they didn't match. And I'd try and put an outfit together and everything would just look a little bit off. And I couldn't put my finger on what it was about it. Once all of the colors in your wardrobe harmonize with each other, you just don't have that problem anymore. So getting dressed becomes a lot easier and And I think another thing as well is, like you say, a lot of people's wardrobes are filled with black, but I have a little notes section when people fill out their forms and a lot of them say to me, I just kind of want to wear a bit more color. I've been scared to wear color and that's something I want to change. And this will give you that confidence to actually branch out. And so many people message me afterwards and say, I just, I never would have reached for this color. I never would have even thought to look at it. And here I am looking absolutely amazing in it. I've had like 10 compliments today. And so it just gives you that confidence to step out of your comfort zone. I love that.
00:41:35
Speaker 1: And it really does. Like I actually wore a top yesterday or the day before and it was like this greeny colour and I kept it. I hadn't worn it for years because I was like, you know, that's also not an autumn colour.
00:41:48
Speaker 2: And I just was like, I look.
00:41:49
Speaker 3: Great in this.
00:41:49
Speaker 2: Like you just feel like a million bucks. You do.
00:41:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just so nice to like, you know, be able to just make things a lot easier for our brains. But I remember you've done your makeup, you know, like the makeup, what was it? Sorry, the makeup package.
00:42:05
Speaker 3: The guides. Yeah.
00:42:06
Speaker 1: So Rach made the makeup guides and I've got one, which I love. And I went to Mecca yesterday and I spent way too much time and I got all the things. But you said in a post about the makeup, you do need to be careful with like a lot of brands and companies, they name things cool or warm or even the swatches on the packaging. And they're so off. So- Like, yeah, what did you find when you swatched over thousands of colours at the makeup store?
00:42:30
Speaker 3: It was so eye-opening to do. I mean, I knew a lot of things already, but it just really confirmed that warm tones are favoured in the makeup industry. I will say that is partly because... the colours that we use for make-up tend to be warmer colours. So, I mean, we're not going to be walking around wearing a blue lipstick, for example. Nobody does that. We all wear kind of reds and pinks and a lot of those naturally lean warmer. So that is something to note is that most make-up leans warm. So if you are cool.
00:42:59
Speaker 2: I've got so many cool people.
00:43:00
Speaker 1: I know.
00:43:00
Speaker 3: It's rough.
00:43:01
Speaker 1: It's really rough.
00:43:02
Speaker 3: We just have a lot less options. Yeah, that's rough. But that's why I'm here. This is why I make these guides because it just clears all of that up for you. And they are out there. The options are there. and it's improving. But in terms of the way that brands label things, it's unfortunate, but every single brand is working with a different principle. So, for example, MAC labels their foundations on the opposite, right? So when they say NC, which is cool, it actually means warm. And House Labs does something very similar with their foundations. So when it comes to foundation, I always say just completely ignore the labels and just check it on your skin yourself. And then the other component is actually I've got a friend who works in the makeup industry and she told me that she used to work for a makeup brand and the CEO would, every time they did a new batch, they would swatch the makeup products and go, yeah, that's close enough. And because apparently it's really expensive to own a color. And so every time they release a new batch, they are starting kind of from scratch essentially.
00:44:14
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:44:15
Speaker 1: So you have to own the color. Yeah.
00:44:16
Speaker 3: So you have like the original and you swatch it on your hand and then you get this new batch and you swatch them and try and find one that kind of is close enough. And I found that because there was a few products that I've previously recommended to people in my guides over the years and I've swatched them again and they're a different color now and I wouldn't recommend that to the same group of people. The other thing to keep in mind is just because a product line shares a color name, it's not going to be the same across. So I think NARS Dolce Vita is kind of across a lot of the ranges. So a blush, a lip gloss, a lipstick, and all of them are different colors. Not massively, but noticeably between their undertones. So this is why it's really confusing. And this is exactly why I make these guides, because for the average person, it's just too much information to take in. And walking through Mecca... and swatching things, like, you're going to go insane.
00:45:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's already overwhelming. And I'm like, I love makeup.
00:45:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, you get it.
00:45:13
Speaker 1: You get makeup. But I remember, like, yeah, fun fact, I used to work at MAC for years.
00:45:16
Speaker 3: Did you? Yes.
00:45:17
Speaker 1: And now that you say that, I do remember certain lipsticks, I swear, like, things, like, there was a lipstick called Myth and there's still one out there.
00:45:24
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:45:25
Speaker 1: And I remember it just, I feel like it's gotten, like, a bit deeper lately. And I'm like, I feel like, and that makes so much sense now I think back.
00:45:31
Speaker 3: MAC is terrible for it. They constantly change their colours. Yeah. A lot of brands do it and they don't announce it. It's not like a thing where they're like, just FYI, we've changed the formula and the colour. It doesn't happen. So I would also say if you've got a favourite product, maybe go in store and swatch it before you buy another one.
00:45:47
Speaker 2: And then if it's right, just buy a fair few.
00:45:50
Speaker 3: Seriously, stock up.
00:45:52
Speaker 1: I know they say things expire, which I know I'm a makeup artist, so I shouldn't be saying this, but I'm like, it'll be fine.
00:45:57
Speaker 2: It's fine.
00:45:57
Speaker 3: Use a bit of alcohol.
00:45:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. What, like... Do you have like the most, like with all your clients, you've had over 6,000 clients, which is crazy. Is there like, I don't know if it's maybe a nationality thing or Australian, like is there a more popular season that you find that you're diagnosing?
00:46:17
Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying?
00:46:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can say that. There definitely is. But like you say, I think if you asked a colour analyst question, you know from a few different countries they'd all have a different answer I mean obviously for me my service is virtual so my clients come from all over the world so that does alter things a little bit but the majority of my clients are still Australian a lot of them are Caucasian and I think that's the reason that my results end up how they do I would say over the course of the years that I've been doing this the most common season is summer okay so a lot of cool tone people um with more muted features and, uh, lighter features as well. So like a lighter brunette. Um, but last month in saying that, um, I don't know if you've ever seen on my stories every month, I do a little bit of a summary of, yes, I love those. No, it's so fun. I think people like to see numbers, you know, it's interesting. And so every month I do a little wrap up of, the percentages of each season. And last month, and I think this month so far as well, deep winter has been the most popular.
00:47:22
Speaker 1: So Kardashians are winters, aren't they?
00:47:23
Speaker 3: They are, yeah. Look at me. You get it. You're all over this. It's like dark hair, fairer skin a lot of the time or darker skin as well. But, yeah, that has been a lot more common. So it just really depends. I would get a bit nervous if I was having all of the same all the time. I'd be worried I was, like, biased towards something. So it makes me happy when I see there's a bit of a variety. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I love that.
00:47:49
Speaker 2: That's so cool.
00:47:50
Speaker 1: What would you say, like, you've got so many different packages for your virtual, like, sessions and stuff what's like your most popular and would you say this is like a good Christmas present for someone to get someone yeah for.
00:48:00
Speaker 3: Sure our most popular is the complete color hair and makeup package so the reason that's popular is just because you get a bit of everything um and obviously uh with our packages as well if you bundle them together you kind of save a little bit too uh so within that you'll get your color analysis so all of your best colors color swatches you get recommendations for nail colors and accessories. It's so fun. There's literally everything is thought of in there. Then like we were speaking about, we have the hair guide as well. So you'll find out all of your best hair colors. And then we also include the makeup guide as well. So those guides have hundreds of makeup recommendations for your season. They also have little swatches in the back of the guide as well. So if you want to go out and test your own makeup products as well, you can. But that's definitely the most popular. And In terms of it being a good Christmas gift, I personally think it is just the most thoughtful gift that you can give someone.
00:48:56
Speaker 1: So personalised.
00:48:57
Speaker 3: And also, you know those people that just have everything?
00:49:00
Speaker 1: Yes.
00:49:00
Speaker 3: It's the perfect thing for them because what are you going to get that person? You know, you can only buy so many gift cards to, you know, a clothing store that they like or a restaurant that they like. And if they already own physical things that, you know, It's difficult, especially like your mum or people that kind of are just at a point in their life where they want something. they buy it for themselves. So, yeah, and all ages as well.
00:49:23
Speaker 1: And you also do husbands.
00:49:26
Speaker 3: I've still got to do rinds.
00:49:26
Speaker 1: I do husbands. We're going to do rinds and then, of course, ADHD things. I didn't even– but we'll figure that out. We'll do it.
00:49:31
Speaker 3: We'll do it because it's actually really nice to understand both of your seasons and how you can kind of dress together. Yeah. But we do men as well and– I do get asked often about kids. So you can have children done. It's just important to note that our coloring can change up until about puberty. So, you know, some people are blonde when they're little and then they're brunette when they're an adult. So you can have it done, but they'll probably need to have it done again once they kind of get to about 15, 16. Is it really genetic? Yeah. It's interesting, right? Because you, you know, some families, mom and dad are like blonde and all of a sudden the child has like black hair. So There definitely can be themes in families, but at the same time, I've equally seen a heap of families where they're all completely different seasons too.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so cool.
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Speaker 3: It's so funny, the genetics, yeah.
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Speaker 2: You're like, I can't get your hand me down. Sorry, makes me look crap.
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Speaker 3: I know. Oh, God, I'm worried for when I have kids now. Yeah. What am I going to be like with their clothes? Oh, funny.
00:50:25
Speaker 2: I love that. That's so awesome.
00:50:27
Speaker 1: So, Rach, thank you so much for coming on. This has been the best. I feel like I said to Rach, I'm like, you need to fly down again because I feel like we could do so many episodes of this because I just love it so much. But where can listeners find you if they want to look into their colours and just also stalk your socials as well?
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Speaker 3: So I have social media on all platforms just under Colour Lab Stylist and you can also go to www.colourlabstylist.com. If you're going to do anything though, even if you're not certain whether, you know, a color analysis is right for you, you can just follow me on Instagram because as you've mentioned throughout today, I post a lot of information. I post pretty much every day. There's so much free information. Like even yesterday I did a post about colors that suit most people. So there's information like that, that anybody can use and, just learn so much about the things that potentially will suit you best.
00:51:14
Speaker 1: I love that. And Rach, you also said you've got a discount code for the Stepping Up fam so we can all look hot together. Did you want to share that?
00:51:22
Speaker 3: Yeah. So if you would like to get one of our complete colour analysis packages, you can use the code STEFFINGUP in capital letters. And that will get you 20% off the package.
00:51:31
Speaker 1: That's so good. And you get all your Christmas presents sorted now.
00:51:34
Speaker 3: Exactly. Love it.
00:51:36
Speaker 2: Thank you so much again. And it was so, so lovely. Make sure you guys follow Rach.
00:51:39
Speaker 1: She's amazing. And as she said, she shares so much free, valuable content that she posts makeup, looks, everything.
00:51:46
Speaker 2: So definitely give her a follow. And thank you so much.
00:51:48
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. It's been fun.
Speaker 1: Obviously, I misdiagnosed myself as an offshore man. Bit of background, guys. I have been hyper fixated in colour analysis for a while now. And as Rach mentioned that with it, you need to send in the photo with like no makeup on and that.
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Speaker 2: And I have ADHD.
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Speaker 1: So I paid for my service with Rach months and months earlier.
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Speaker 3: It could have been almost two years, I think. That checks out.
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Speaker 1: Many weeks ago, I came on my show and told you guys that I am a soft autumn. Now, if you guys know anything about color analysis, you know that I'm obsessed with this at the moment because when I thought I was an autumn, I really felt like it elevated my look. It elevated, you know, my doable glow up and made it just so much more doable. Anyway, I decided to actually get a proper color analysis done and it turns out I'm not a soft autumn at all. So I decided to bring on the one and only Rach from Colour Lab who is a colour analysis and she is just incredible at what she does. She breaks down what a colour analysis is and how this can make, you know, getting ready every single day just so much more easier. And when you listen to this episode, you'll understand why learning what colours really are flattering for you not only is making everyday easier and making shopping easier but It's also just really empowering for, you know, especially the generation, like millennials, where we've grown up feeling like we have to fit into a box and morph into being the same, like copy-paste kind of fashion. So whether you are already a fashionista or you're an everyday mom and you just want to elevate, you know, your look and just really just hone in on who you are and just finding your colors and how many more areas in your life that knowing your color season helps. It's not just clothes. this will change the game for you. All right, Rachel, welcome to Stepping Up. Thank you so much. I am so excited.
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Speaker 2: You are our first guest that we've had this season.
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Speaker 3: What an honour. I'm so honoured.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. And you flew all the way here to yap with me.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm from Melbourne. I'm excited to be here.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, my love.
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Speaker 1: And you look absolutely stunning, guys. And if you're listening, I wish you could see her. She's in all her coloured glory of what she's meant to be wearing with her season. And if you guys have been listening at all, you would know that I'm obsessed with colour analysis. It has genuinely changed my life. So, of course, I had to bring in Rach to be my first guest and I feel like I'm going to have to watch the time with us because I feel like her and I, we're going to talk for a long time, I feel.
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Speaker 3: Totally. We could yap forever about colour.
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Speaker 1: So, Rach, how do you introduce yourself at a barbecue when someone asks what you do?
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Speaker 3: It's so difficult when you do something a little bit niche. It depends who asks me. If a man asks me, I'll just kind of say, oh, I just work in a field with colour and helping people find colours and they just kind of leave it at that. But usually what I'll say, especially if it's a woman around my age, I'll say, have you ever seen that thing on social media where people are holding up different fabrics and they go, oh, yeah, yeah, I've seen that. I'm like, well, that's what I do, but I do it all virtually.
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Speaker 1: So cool. It's fun. studied you were like obviously in the beauty space and study psychology yeah yeah and then how did you get from there to be doing what you do now as a we're doing color analysis.
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Speaker 3: It was a bit of a weird path but I always say that everything I did kind of led me to where I am now so when I finished school I studied beauty and did makeup and everything like that and Then I stepped into skin. After that, I studied media and comms. Oh, my God. So did I. Did you?
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Speaker 1: Yes, at uni.
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Speaker 3: We are twins, I think. Oh, my God.
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Speaker 1: I love this.
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Speaker 3: Two Scorpios as well. We were just saying that earlier. So, yeah, I did media and comms and then psych. And so it kind of sounds like a random mix, but I use all of those things in what I do now. Like, obviously, with makeup, I choose makeup products for my clients these days. Media and comms was important because I do a lot of social media work. psychology, we learnt a lot about the eye and perception of colour, which is kind of like the more scientific side of colour. So everything's kind of a culmination of, I don't know how to explain it, but it's what I kind of do now and all summed up into one little package, I suppose. I love that.
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Speaker 1: And I talk a lot about being a multi-passionate mess and being a jack-of-all-trades a lot of times as well in these episodes and in my book. And it is true that you really do take things from different careers and.
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Speaker 2: Chapters of your life. And it really does lead you to.
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Speaker 1: Where you are. And I'm so big on just pivoting with purpose. And there's so many women who are afraid to go out and change their career because they're afraid of what other people are going to think. And it just goes to show you that there's never a failure and there's always a lesson. And it's just collecting things along the way to do what you do now.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely. You never know where you're going to be in a year's time. You just have to take that first step. And I would totally agree with that, you know, if people listening as well kind of have a little passion that they're interested in, what's the harm in giving it a go? Because I never would have thought that I'd be doing this full time and here I am.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it's amazing. And, like, you know, you started Colour Lab in 2023, was it?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: And you felt like there was, like, a gap in Australia.
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Speaker 1: What do you– what is that– like, what did you mean by that and how do you feel that, you know, with Colour Lab you've filled that gap?
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Speaker 3: It's funny hearing that now because– It's changed so much since I first started in 2023. It was kind of like if you wanted to learn about color analysis, you'd Google it and there'd be some really kind of old looking websites that you might find maybe look like they were made in about like you know, 2003 or something like that.
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Speaker 1: For some reason, I just got the image of like, remember the old sex ed videos in primary school?
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Speaker 2: It's like, oh, this is really weird.
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Speaker 3: It's basically like that. That's what it felt like. It was really kind of old school. And I mean, colour analysis did actually start in the 80s. So a lot of people don't realise that. And so it was just feeling, to me at least, and in Australia specifically, a little bit like it needed a bit of a shake up and a bit of a freshen up. And at the time, there weren't really that many people doing the kind of virtual colour analysis in Australia. It's a different story now. It's everywhere now. But at the time, it just really needed somebody to come in and modernize it a little bit. You know, I wanted to change all of the examples of clothing, for example, to look like they were from now and not from 2014, you know, skinny jeans and things like that. It was just feeling really kind of old and I just wanted to kind of freshen it up a bit. And the other side of it too, was just wanting to kind of bring a little bit more of a scientific perspective to it. It is an art, but there is a science to it in terms of color theory, color perception and things like that. And with a science background I kind of wanted to bring a bit of that into it as well I love.
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Speaker 1: That too because like on this podcast whenever I talk about I don't know like routines or hacks and things like that I always like to provide the science behind it because I'm someone like I wish I was woo woo but I'm not really like I want to be but I need to know the facts before I'm like this is actually helpful you know what I mean so I'd love that you do that yeah um So pretend I'm 12 years old. Can you explain to someone who's never heard about colour analysis or seasons or spring, summer, autumn, what is colour analysis and what does it look like when you get, say, an in-person colour analysis versus a virtual one?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. So colour analysis, if you've never heard of it before, this is the first time you've ever heard of it. Basically, my job is to help you to find the colours that match your natural features and So I basically have to determine where on the spectrum of color you and your coloring fits. And if you've heard of color seasons before, basically they're just the categorizations that we use or the labels that we give. So essentially in the system that I work with, we have 12 different seasons that you could belong to. They're the same as the weather season. So we've got summer, autumn, winter, and spring. And in terms of why they were called that, it's just because the colors do kind of like link up with that. So, for example, if you picture autumn colors, you're probably thinking of like burgundy and brown and those kinds of colors, which is exactly what is in the autumn season. But they're just labels. They don't really mean very much. Under those four umbrella seasons, we have three sub-seasons. which means that there's 12 seasons in total.
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Speaker 1: So many.
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Speaker 3: So many seasons. And I will say as well, for those listening who do know about colour analysis, there are different systems as well. So some people do 16 seasons, 35 seasons.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 3: So there's a lot of different systems, especially now, like I said, this industry has grown so much. And for that reason... there are a lot of different options, but I personally choose to work with the 12 seasons. And essentially what we're doing is we're trying to figure out where you sit on three different spectrums. So we've got your undertone, your chroma and your contrast level, and everybody has a little different point where they sit there. Based on that point that you sit on those spectrums, you'll align with a color season. And within that color season are a series of colors that will suit you best. And so that's kind of, I guess, to sum it up, how it works in terms of in-person versus virtual. So like I mentioned at the start with the colour drapes that you might have seen on social media before, basically in-person we've got people holding up different fabrics to compare and show you visually what the difference is between those different colours and also for themselves as the analyst to see the changes happening. In virtual analysis, we actually do the same thing. We just have... virtual drapes instead. So basically little different colour backgrounds that will crop your face onto and compare.
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Speaker 1: I saw that, it looked lovely.
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Speaker 3: It's not the most flattering thing because we do ask you to take a photo without makeup on because it's all based on your natural features. But I guess that's obviously what we want to do to ensure that we're getting it right. And with virtual as well, it depends on who you see. But for me, I think in virtual, we have a lot more focus on those contrast chroma undertone because lighting does play a little bit of a role. And so I really like to focus more on the measurable things. So I can really measurably understand somebody's undertone based on the colours present in their skin. I can understand their chroma based on how soft or bright they are, and I can pinpoint that on a spectrum. So for me, that's actually way more important than even using those colour drapes. But essentially, that's how it all works.
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Speaker 1: It's amazing. And it's so interesting that, like, you know, that.
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Speaker 2: Obviously, I misdiagnosed myself as an autumn.
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Speaker 1: And it was funny because, you know, there was a lot of the colours in, you know, a bit of background, guys. I have been hyper fixated in colour analysis for a while now. And as Rach mentioned that with it, you need a setting in the photo with like no makeup on and that. And I have ADHD. So I paid for my service with Rach months and months earlier.
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Speaker 2: Like I feel like it was a year.
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Speaker 3: It could have been almost two years, I think.
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Speaker 2: That checks out.
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Speaker 1: So I really want, but for me, it's like little executive dysfunction. Like I just had to just get this photo. I needed to do the things and it just, and then I finally did it. And then when Rach sent me my color analysis, which I think you're a bit nervous, weren't you?
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Speaker 2: Just tell me that I wasn't a soft author.
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Speaker 3: It's scary to tell people something that they maybe don't want to hear.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, I had a whole wardrobe of like muted colors, but it's funny because I remember, like, when I first thought I was an autumn, which, by the way, guys, ChatGPT told me that, and we'll get into that soon. But, you know, a lot of people are using AI for, you know, their colour analysis. And ChatGPT loves soft autumns for some reason. Like, he or she or it keeps telling everyone they're a soft autumn. So I went on and I literally culled all my wardrobe. But the funny thing is I kept a lot of certain colours that– It wasn't technically in my autumn season, but when I went to look at it, to put it into Vinnie's bin or whatever, I was like, oh no, I'll keep these. So then when Rach sent me and told me I was a light spring, which is like complete opposite, I was like, oh, and it felt like my life flashed before my eyes and everything started making sense of why these certain colors look better on me than the others. And it just, for me, I think why I have become so obsessed with color analysis is.
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Speaker 2: Because I get, I would get so frustrated.
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Speaker 1: At, you know, going out and buying a new outfit and then like things not working together. And then, and you blame yourself for not looking good and you blame yourself for, you know, not looking put together or like things not flattering you, but it comes down to your color season. And I think that's why I'm so, there's so many reasons why, but it's, I think it's just super important. And it just makes things like, you know, we can get into later, but like shopping and that just so, like it just makes, everything just makes sense.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely. And that's what most people want, right? Is, you know, you don't want to have a heap of decisions to make in your day. A lot of your listeners, I'm sure, are busy mums and people, professionals that just don't have time to mess around trying to figure out what suits them and what doesn't. So it's really nice to have a little bit of a rule book to follow that gives you the kind of cheat codes to your own colouring. And to get these things right makes such a big difference. Like, for example, your hair.
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Speaker 4: Yes.
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Speaker 3: That frames your face. If the colour's not right, we've all had that experience where we dyed our hair maybe when we were like 18 and it just looked terrible. And if you don't have the answers as to why it looks terrible... it becomes really confusing. You go back to the salon, you dyed another color that doesn't look quite right either. And you waste so much time and money trying to fix these problems when all you should have done in the first place is just find out the colors that suit you. And it just becomes simple.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And it really, so when I first put on Instagram that I was a soft autumn, did you, did you know, like, can you tell pretty quick what people are?
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Speaker 3: I can.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: So when I was like, guys, I'm a soft autumn and I did post, I did this doable glow up series because I was like, and I was like, I need to get my, because I felt like something was off, but I was also like, I was really feeling inspired with like this doable glow up.
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Speaker 2: So I just go with what my, what I'm feeling creatively.
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Speaker 1: But like, what did you think when you saw me, to be honest, when you saw.
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Speaker 2: Me, you're like, no, no, no.
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Speaker 3: It's so funny because it's so, it's so common. Like nearly every day on social media, I see someone going, guys, I think I'm this. And I'm looking at them thinking, oh, like I would, I wish I could just message all of you and be like, guys, you're this. So I did see it and I thought, she's close. I thought, you know, you've got, you've ticked some boxes, which we had a chat about as well. But that's one thing is that you might get one component, right? Like you might, you might really understand your undertone and be like, I'm really certain that I have a warm, neutral undertone, for example, but the other concepts, maybe you haven't grasped and then that can place you into the wrong season. And it's just the smallest shifts that can make a big difference. So, yeah, it wasn't a shock because you weren't too far off.
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Speaker 2: At least I wasn't like, I'm winter.
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Speaker 3: Did I DM you? Did I message you?
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Speaker 2: I don't even remember.
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Speaker 1: You didn't tell me what I was or anything like that. I think you were just like, we need to do your analysis or something.
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Speaker 3: Like, hi, reminder.
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Speaker 1: You were like, please, let me help you. You bought a whole new wardrobe and it's wrong.
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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sorry.
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Speaker 2: No, no, I love it.
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Speaker 1: And it was funny because when Rach sent me my, my results and you're like, oh, like, I hope this is okay.
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Speaker 2: Like, I hope this wasn't too much of a shock.
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Speaker 1: And I was so excited because, as I said, it just made everything feel so, like, make so much sense. And obviously today, I know if you guys are listening, you won't be able to see, but I'm wearing, like, an orange.
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Speaker 2: Coloured top today.
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Speaker 3: Perfect.
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Speaker 2: Is that, like, the right tone, I'm saying?
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Speaker 3: Yes, correct.
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Speaker 1: So, Rach, we're going to, like, Rach has bought, like, a dark coloured top and we're just going to, like, hold it up and maybe we can just, like, explain what it does to my colouring.
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Speaker 3: For sure.
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Speaker 1: And then we can, like... yeah, see if it works out with the audio or not. And otherwise we'll just keep it for socials. So can you, like, can you explain if you're wearing, so, you know, like for me, I wore black for so long. Like everyone feels like you need to have black in your wardrobe. So what does someone do if black isn't in.
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Speaker 2: Your colour season? So for me, black's not in my colour season.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I think that's a scary thing for a lot of people. And it was probably one of the things that sometimes scares people off having a colour analysis is finding out certain colours that they have worn before. religiously for years are no longer one of their best options. So the first thing I would say is that if it's not in your season, there will always be an alternative. So for you, you have a warmer leaning undertone. You have quite light features overall in terms of the whole spectrum of colouring. And your chroma is in the medium range. So your chroma is how soft or how bright you appear, which means you're not super bright, but you're not super soft. And when we think about the color... I'm definitely not super bright. You are, you are. Don't say that. But you want to think about the color and how that aligns with those things. So that's why we do that. That's why we figure out where you sit on those different, at what points on those spectrums, because then you can kind of assess colors based on your own features. So for you, you'd look at the color black and you'd go, okay, well, I have a warm neutral undertone. Black's quite a cool color. So straight away, there's one way that it's not going to be great. I have really light features, but black is a really dark color. So that's going to be opposite as well. And then in terms of chroma, people probably will struggle to figure that out on their own. But so, you know, black tends to be a very saturated color. So it's it's kind of considered a bright color, even though it doesn't come across as bright. So that's not too far from your features, but it's far enough that it's going to cause an issue when all three of those categories are kind of off.
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Speaker 2: Makes me look like a corpse.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. It's just too cool. It's too dark. So what you want to think instead is what's a color that's similar to that, but maybe has a little bit more harmony with me. So for you, you might think of a dark brown instead because it's still got that depth. It still feels like a neutral that you can wear in place of black, but it's a little bit warmer, so it's better for your undertone. You can pick one that's not too dark.
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Speaker 2: I've got one here.
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Speaker 1: Let me grab it.
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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, perfect.
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Speaker 2: So I've got two examples here.
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Speaker 1: So what would you say this is?
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Speaker 3: It's a dark charcoal, I would say.
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Speaker 4: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Let's see.
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Speaker 1: What's it doing to me, Rach?
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Speaker 3: So what we're seeing with this color is that it's quite heavy on you. So what we're seeing is the color before we see you. It drags our eyes down. It doesn't bring our eyes up. And it is causing a little bit of shadowing to your face as well.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So it makes me look a little bit haggard. So this is, and pretty much all my wardrobe was black for a long, long time. And when I was a makeup artist, it's all I wore.
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Speaker 3: Really?
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Speaker 4: Yes.
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Speaker 1: And I wore a lot of, like, I, for years, Rach, had really light white blonde hair. And I found I had to be really, really fake tan, had to have a lot of makeup on. And if I had no fake tan in that, I used to just look kind of like sick. Yeah. A little bit dead, which isn't really a vibe. And then I remember when I dyed my hair like this more coppery color. It was in 2022 and I thought I was having like an early midlife crisis. But then I dyed it and I was like, it's like I came alive.
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Speaker 3: Totally. And it suits you so much. That color would not suit just anyone either. Yeah. So that's a really good sign that it belongs to your season. Whereas when you had your really kind of ashy blonde hair, which a lot of us had in like the 2010s.
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Speaker 2: It's very millennial, isn't it?
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Speaker 3: Very millennial. I had it too.
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Speaker 2: And we used to do like the purple. shampoo.
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Speaker 3: The ashier, the lighter, the better. And unless you have a very cool undertone and a low contrast, so summers, for example, looks great on them. But you're kind of on the edge because you are a spring, but you're a light spring. So light springs kind of sit on the cusp of summer.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So it wouldn't have been, in terms of the lightness of the colour, it wouldn't have been too bad for you, but it's so cool and you have that slight warm lean. So against your skin tone, it would have just washed you out, which is why you felt the need to put heaps of tan on because that's kind of offsetting that washing you out effect.
00:20:26
Speaker 1: And I think what I also love, so I'm like got distracted here, but What I love too is that with colour analysis, I feel like, especially us growing up, we always felt like we needed to morph in and fit into a box. So for me, I always felt I had to be beautiful. I had to be blonde.
00:20:41
Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 1: And I'd pluck my eyebrows so thin. But I feel like with this, you're really just embracing who you're colouring and who you're meant to be and what suits you. And I love that.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely. I think that's my favourite thing about colour analysis. A lot of people don't realise... that it goes this deep, but it really does. It helps you to understand the colors that suit your natural skin tone, your natural hair color. And then that gives you the permission to kind of step back into that a little bit. So for me, for example, I used to sunbake all the time, fake tan constantly, which there's nothing wrong with fake tanning at all, if that's what you want to do.
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Speaker 2: I literally, yeah. That's the thing.
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Speaker 3: A lot of us Aussie girls are, but it's really difficult. Like, especially like I had a girlfriend who's just had a baby and She's like, I don't have time to tan at the moment. And what's the alternative? Are you just going to sit there postpartum feeling really gross because you're not tanned? Or are you going to learn ways to feel beautiful with your natural skin tone? Even my hair color, I used to be blonde as well. And now this is just my natural color.
00:21:45
Speaker 1: It's stunning.
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Speaker 3: Thank you. And I never would have considered that before. I always had to have at least some highlights or something. But once you learn all these little tips and tricks, you get your makeup right. You get the colors right. your skin tone and your hair color all start to make sense. And you just, you don't spend as much money and you spend less time kind of staring in the mirror being like, oh, I can't put my finger on what I don't like about that. So it's quite transformative really.
00:22:11
Speaker 1: It is. Like that's what I think, like I can always find meaning in pretty much anything, let's be honest, good or bad, but I do, I feel like it runs so much deeper. And I think it's a, it's a breath of fresh air. And I think it's really, really healing for us millennial girls, like what we grew up with, with the magazines and how everyone kind of tried to look the same. I think it's amazing.
00:22:29
Speaker 3: You're right about the millennials too because I think this younger generation, they're all into like the clean girl aesthetic and like less makeup, whereas we grew up it was very much like bleach your hair, tan your skin, wear like caked on makeup, you know. So we've really been told for our whole lives we've got to change everything. So it's something really freeing about being like, you know what, I'm okay just how I am. Yeah.
00:22:54
Speaker 2: And, yeah, again, like and it's not like– It was never you. It was the shirt.
00:22:58
Speaker 3: Yeah. Literally.
00:22:59
Speaker 1: All right.
00:22:59
Speaker 2: So I got off topic here. So we've got the black. It makes me look like a corpse. So what's an alternative, say, for me as a light spring as for more of a black?
00:23:10
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:23:10
Speaker 3: So for springs and autumns, rather than wearing black, which is too cool for them, you can definitely do a brown. There's best browns for each season. But for you, this is a pretty good one because it's not super dark and you can get like a really dark espresso brown that might also have that same effect as black. Whereas that one's a bit more of like a medium brown and the undertone of it is warm leaning, but it's not super warm that it's really orange. So that's a really good brown for you. But I mean, just look at the difference of like between the two. Like you just look so much brighter. Quick, quick, quick. Yeah, it's like night and day for you. And it's just these small little changes that make such a big difference.
00:23:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing. So you touched on this briefly, but outside of clothes, what other things can colour analysis help me with? So you give me my season, what can I do with it?
00:24:03
Speaker 2: What happens?
00:24:04
Speaker 3: So when clients book with me for our total package where everything is included, You'll get advice on so many different things, but obviously wardrobe is what most people think. So all the different colors that you can wear for your wardrobe. But the other things that you can do is your hair color. So like we mentioned, figuring out whether ash blonde suits you or if you need a more honey blonde or whether you should be blonde at all. Just recently, we released our new personalized hair guides, which I'm so excited about because even if you are someone who's had a color analysis before, communicating what you want to your hairdresser is a really difficult thing to do and what their interpretation of the color you're telling them you want is compared to what you know your interpretation of that is can be really different um just because the terminology can be very confusing so what i've actually done in this guide is we identify your hair level which is how light or dark your hair is and that's hairdresser speak so they get that um we then identify figure out your hair's undertone as well. So that can help us understand whether you want to go for more kind of warm, coppery tones, like your hair, for example, beautiful. Or if we do want to go down that really ashy blonde or like a cooler brunette like myself. And then we actually identify at each hair level, which kind of tones you can work with. So say you were a natural level three hair color, we'll show you all the.
00:25:28
Speaker 2: Different- So level three is dark.
00:25:31
Speaker 3: Level 3 is a very dark brown.
00:25:32
Speaker 2: Very dark.
00:25:32
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:25:33
Speaker 2: For people that don't know, yeah.
00:25:34
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it will identify that and then the tones within that that can work because you can have a level 3 brown that is warmer or cooler and we also identify the different highlight options. We give you options for like fantasy hair colours too if you want to go like pink or purple or something fun like that and also lots of advice about grey blending and going grey because that's kind of the next step in life is figuring all of that out as well.
00:25:59
Speaker 1: Yeah. So speaking of, can your color season change as you age?
00:26:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a really popular question because you'll notice that your features change as you age. So when we age, obviously for some people we go gray. And the other thing that happens is that your chroma does reduce slightly. So we didn't really touch on too much at the start what chroma was, but in case you're not aware, it just basically means it's in your skin and your eyes and it's how soft versus how bright or clear your features appear. So someone who's really soft and muted has kind of almost like a gentle blending of their features.
00:26:34
Speaker 1: Can you give a celebrity example?
00:26:37
Speaker 3: I would say a good example of soft would be Bella Hadid.
00:26:42
Speaker 2: Bella Hadid?
00:26:42
Speaker 3: Bella Hadid is a soft summer. We could also use me as an example. I have a soft chroma. So my husband always says to me, I look a little bit grey. Oh my God. Excuse me. Rude.
00:26:56
Speaker 2: You're in the doghouse now.
00:26:58
Speaker 3: It's true though. I genuinely do. And interestingly enough, when I do my makeup, I actually sometimes add a little bit of grey into my foundation because my skin is very desaturated. It's not very luminous and full of colour. Whereas people on the other end of the spectrum, the way that light reflects off their skin is different and it just looks a lot glowier. It's separate to, you know, having acne or breakouts or anything like that. Being clear doesn't mean having clear skin, but it's the hardest concept in color analysis to explain because unless you've seen that full spectrum and understood it, it's just really hard to grasp. But essentially that component of your coloring will soften as you age. So by that standard, you would assume that your color season would probably change, but What it does more than anything is just changes the colours that look best on you. So you'll still stay in your same season.
00:27:54
Speaker 2: So I'll still be a spring when I'm a grandma?
00:27:55
Speaker 3: You'll still be a spring. Your undertone will never change. It's just that your contrast could reduce a little bit if you go grey and your chroma could reduce a little bit as your skin and your eye colour soften a little bit. So what that means is that you'll just start to gravitate towards different colours within your season. Or you might also start to look at colours from seasons that neighbour yours. So it's a little bit hard to explain without a visual, but there is a little bit of a colour wheel that you can look up if you'd like to that is the colour analysis colour wheel. And it sits, every season sits with another season next to it. So wherever your season is, there'll be two that sit either side of it and they're kind of like your neighbouring seasons that you can play with. Yeah, which my approach to colour analysis is not really strict because colour is a spectrum, right? The season that you belong to is the colors that are your absolute best, that 100% match your features. But the colors that sit just either side of that, they're not going to be bad on you. They're still pretty good. Yeah, they may be not a perfect match. Exactly. And that's the other part of color analysis is, yeah, we're identifying your best, best colors. but we're also helping you to understand these are the ones that you probably just want to avoid altogether. And everything else in the middle is not too bad. Like if you want to play around with that, go ahead. But there's ones you want to wear to the wedding where you want to look your best. There's ones that you want to avoid and then everything else is kind of in the middle. But yeah, your color season will never 100% change. It's just more of a little shift, I would say.
00:29:25
Speaker 1: Yeah. And so like speaking of that too, how about fake tan? Does fake tan, because You know, you would assume fake tan would make you warmer or like can that change your color season what how does yeah things like fake tan and that type of.
00:29:36
Speaker 3: Thing definitely so it temporarily changes your appearance so um your color season will always remain the same because you're you're never changing but yes you can temporarily apply something to your skin to make it appear warmer so That's why a lot of people with a cool undertone are obsessed with tan because when you're cool, you're actually a lot more limited in the colors that look good on you because there are more warm options than there are cool.
00:30:02
Speaker 1: And you said that same with like, I remember your post, you did a post and you said even with hair color.
00:30:06
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly. The spectrum of color for hair is mostly warm. So when you're cool, specifically when you're very cool, it's really difficult. You'll find a lot of things look off on you. You're quite lucky with a warm neutral undertone. There's not a whole lot that will really kind of look off on you. But if you do have a fake tan and you have a cool undertone, it's going to warm up your complexion temporarily. And a lot of people with a cool undertone will like that because it gives them more flexibility. When you're very cool, not everything's going to suit you, especially like if we're thinking of like yellows, really warm reds, warm browns. Pretty much every person with a cool undertone knows.
00:30:48
Speaker 1: Especially when it's trending right now.
00:30:49
Speaker 3: That's the thing.
00:30:50
Speaker 1: It's been very autumn.
00:30:51
Speaker 3: Exactly.
00:30:52
Speaker 1: Is it autumn that's been really trending?
00:30:54
Speaker 3: Autumn's everywhere, especially in Australia coming out of autumn as well. The colour palette does gravitate towards that. And when it comes to makeup specifically, most makeup is really warm too. And so a lot of people rely on tan because it allows them to pull those things off. I'm very cool. So if I were to wear like a... coral lipstick, for example, or a gold eyeshadow with my natural skin tone, I would be like, and it used to happen to me in the past, I'd be like, why does that look so bad on me? I need to put a tan on, you know? Whereas, you know, once you know the colors that suit you best, you can kind of go, okay, I understand why that doesn't look good. And if I want it to look good, I can pop some tan on and that will help me. So the other thing a tan will do for everyone, even if you are warm, is increase your chroma a little bit. So have you ever noticed in summer, I noticed this in like, I think it was like 2012 or something, we were all wearing really fluorescent colors. Yes. Like the bright green and like really bright pink.
00:31:53
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:31:53
Speaker 3: And everyone used to say, oh, this looks really good on me when I have a tan.
00:31:56
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:31:57
Speaker 3: But that's because when you put tan on, you increase your chroma, which increases your tolerance for bright colors. And so that's why we are drawn to those brighter colors in summer when we have a tan or when we've applied a fake tan as well. So tan is a little bit of a secret weapon in some ways too. If you want to look better in something that you don't typically look better in. maybe worth a try.
00:32:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, tan just makes me feel good in general.
00:32:21
Speaker 2: That's the thing. I'm very dedicated to my tanning.
00:32:22
Speaker 3: There's nothing wrong with that. As long as you're not out there getting.
00:32:25
Speaker 2: Skin cancer, it's great.
00:32:27
Speaker 3: No, thanks.
00:32:27
Speaker 1: I'm good. Is there like certain fake tans that are better for like cooler seasons versus like, is there certain brands or like, you know, there's like green undertone and then violet.
00:32:36
Speaker 2: Do those things help people at all?
00:32:37
Speaker 3: They can definitely help. It's worth considering for sure. If you are naturally warmer leaning and You can kind of wear any tan. I wouldn't worry about, you know, whether if it says it's a cool tan and you're warm, don't worry about that. Where it does matter is if you have a cool undertone, you probably want to go for something that isn't going to be too orange in color because that can start to look a little bit off against maybe your eyes and your hair color and things like that. So there are options. I know Bondi Sands has, I think it's like a sapphire tan, they call it. They label it as a cool tone tan.
00:33:10
Speaker 2: So you're not going to turn into a smurf?
00:33:11
Speaker 3: No. Potentially. But I think, so the principle behind that is that blue or purple kind of cancels out orange. Like how we were talking about the purple shampoo in our hair when we were younger, that was because it cancels out the copper tones in your hair.
00:33:27
Speaker 2: We thought like that was brassy. Brassy is bad. But now I'm like, give me the brassy.
00:33:32
Speaker 3: Exactly. And this is all color theory at work, right? Is we're basically trying to cancel out one color with another one. But the problem with that is that the pigment in tan that actually tans your skin is is orange in color it's kind of like a brownie orange color and whilst we can add pigments to the tan to try and cool it down or neutralize the warmth the pigment itself that colors you can't be changed it is what it is and so it's really just a dye that they're adding so when you first put that tan on you'll be like wow this is a really cool like ashy kind of brown tan and But as that dye washes off in the shower, it will start to look warmer again.
00:34:12
Speaker 1: I've noticed that too. I'll notice when it's time for me to do a new tan, I start to go very orange, even for me.
00:34:19
Speaker 3: Exactly, because that's the true colour of the tan. So the companies will add these pigments in an effort to change it and it will help a little bit, but it's limited. So ultimately, there is no such thing as a cool tone tan. I think that's important to note and you're always warming yourself up if you do use a tan. But if you are cool... I would go for the ones that have, some of them have a gray base, some of them have a blue or a purple base. And I would just avoid, it's funny because you're often told to use a green base tan if you are cool. But the theory behind why you should use those tans is because they're trying to counteract colors in your skin. So they're assuming that if you're cool, you have red in your skin and that you want to neutralize that. So they put green in the tan. It's all very confusing, but ultimately just choose it based on formula is my opinion. Ultimately, if you're tanning, you're warming yourself up and it doesn't really matter too much.
00:35:14
Speaker 1: Oh, awesome. That's so helpful. And also like with the vein, you see the vein test where they say, is it blue, you're cool and you're green, you're warm.
00:35:21
Speaker 2: Is that true or is that a myth?
00:35:23
Speaker 3: It's a myth and it's a very widely spread myth. I feel like we can blame teen magazines for that.
00:35:28
Speaker 1: Because I feel like mine are more blue and I'm like, but I'm warm.
00:35:32
Speaker 2: So that was weird.
00:35:33
Speaker 3: Exactly. And so basically your skin tone is predicted by your melanin, which is the pigment in your skin that gives it color. So people with really dark skin have a lot of melanin. People with really light skin like us, naturally, we have very little melanin and we all have a unique mix of different pigments within that melanin that makes us warmer or cooler. Our veins are completely separate to that. So it is just a myth. But if you do want to understand more about undertone, essentially we have three main pigments that make up our undertone. So the colors are red, orange, and yellow. So you've probably noticed some people look a little bit pink in color. Some people do look a little bit yellow in color. Yeah. Other people do, if you think of a redhead, for example, they're quite, obviously their hair's quite red. They'll have quite orangey freckles in their skin. And that's actually how we determine how warm or cool you are. So the more orange pigment you have, the warmer you're going to be. And the less orange pigment you have, the cooler you're going to be.
00:36:31
Speaker 1: Well, that's so interesting. And then I found like, for me, like when I was wrongly diagnosing myself as an autumn person, The one thing that I kind of helped me the most, which I don't know if this is fully true, but like I found I looked better in gold jewelry versus silver. Is that a good indicator if someone's listening and they're like, okay, like I really want to do a color analysis soon, but I kind of just want to figure out if I'm warm or cool. Like what's a really kind of easy hack someone can do to figure out if they're warm or cool?
00:36:56
Speaker 3: So the gold and silver can be helpful. I think it's always important to remember though, when you're trying to do these things yourself, that it depends on your knowledge. If you don't know what you're looking for, then it's really hard And that's actually one of the things I found when I first looked into color analysis. I was like, it's like, what's your undertone? I'm thinking, I don't know what my undertone is. So it requires you to understand a lot, but it does help a little bit provided that you have a bit of an understanding of what it's supposed to do and what it's not supposed to do. But what I will say is, to kind of calm people down who get really upset when they find out, you know, gold isn't their best or silver's not their best is that you're typically wearing these metals in really small amounts. So you're wearing it as a ring or a bracelet or really tiny earrings.
00:37:37
Speaker 1: So still wear what you love.
00:37:39
Speaker 2: Wear what you love because.
00:37:40
Speaker 3: It doesn't have a massive impact on your coloring. What I will say though is it's important if you were going to go wear a sequin dress, for example, and it covers a lot of your body, that's when you really want to understand the metal that looks best on you. Um, but if it, if it suits you, it should feel as like it almost ties into your skin a little bit better. It kind of, you can almost see some of those colors reflected in your own skin in a sense. Um, but it is a little bit difficult to figure out.
00:38:07
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:38:08
Speaker 2: Well, clearly I'm definitely not a color analysis person.
00:38:10
Speaker 3: Well, you got it right. You knew that gold was better for you.
00:38:13
Speaker 2: So that was good at least.
00:38:15
Speaker 1: Um, so how does knowing like your color season change, you know, the way you shop, does it make it you know, like for me, for example, I've found like it's really helped with my decision fatigue. Like it's just like, I kind of go into a shop now and I'll just beeline towards the rack.
00:38:30
Speaker 2: I'm like, that looks spring-ish. I want to go over there. So how does it, like, how is it going to help people in day-to-day life really?
00:38:36
Speaker 1: And like, you know, people that are time poor mums, but you want to like, you know, and after kids, you do feel like kind of like you've lost yourself a little bit and you don't, you don't want to like, you don't have heaps of money to spend and you've got your wardrobes full of black. Like, so what, what are some Like, does it make shopping easier? And for people like that, like, how is that going to help them in day-to-day life, do you think? Just, like, feel like them again.
00:38:55
Speaker 3: For sure. So there's so many components, but exactly like you said, when you walk into a shop, luckily a lot of stores group their clothes into little sections throughout the store. So you'll have a little part that has a lot of the neutrals and then they might have some pink over here and some blue over here. And after about a month or so of understanding your colour season, you'll start to notice that you can really easily identify those things better. in a general setting like that. So you'll just walk right past the black. You'll walk right past the, you know, cool purple, for example, if that's not in your season. And it just kind of rules out. a lot of things for you that makes those decisions much easier to make. Same with online shopping too. You can filter in the filter section by color. So for me, there's particular colors I know are just a no-go. So like orange, for example, is not in my season at all.
00:39:44
Speaker 2: I wish you could filter if it.
00:39:44
Speaker 1: Was like a warm blue or a cool blue. Cause sometimes it's hard, like poor Rach, sometimes I'll send her stuff cause like I love my gym stuff and I'll be like, which one? So it's like, it'd be so cool if you could just like have another, another filter as well. Yeah.
00:39:57
Speaker 3: Just like have me in your pocket. I wish I could be that for people, but yeah, that, that is helpful to, is to, um, to filter through, through the colors. Um, Some websites are really good. And as you scroll through, they'll be sectioned into colors as well. So that can be really helpful. But the other thing that it can do to help you is actually putting outfits together. So depending on how seriously you want to take your color season. Very seriously. For Steph, very seriously. For me, very seriously. And your whole wardrobe starts to become this one color palette. And the great part about that is when you get up in the morning... and you've got to rush to school to drop off the kids, you grab a top and a pair of pants and everything matches. Whereas what I used to find before I started color analysis was I had a lot of clothes, but they were all different colors and they didn't match. And I'd try and put an outfit together and everything would just look a little bit off. And I couldn't put my finger on what it was about it. Once all of the colors in your wardrobe harmonize with each other, you just don't have that problem anymore. So getting dressed becomes a lot easier and And I think another thing as well is, like you say, a lot of people's wardrobes are filled with black, but I have a little notes section when people fill out their forms and a lot of them say to me, I just kind of want to wear a bit more color. I've been scared to wear color and that's something I want to change. And this will give you that confidence to actually branch out. And so many people message me afterwards and say, I just, I never would have reached for this color. I never would have even thought to look at it. And here I am looking absolutely amazing in it. I've had like 10 compliments today. And so it just gives you that confidence to step out of your comfort zone. I love that.
00:41:35
Speaker 1: And it really does. Like I actually wore a top yesterday or the day before and it was like this greeny colour and I kept it. I hadn't worn it for years because I was like, you know, that's also not an autumn colour.
00:41:48
Speaker 2: And I just was like, I look.
00:41:49
Speaker 3: Great in this.
00:41:49
Speaker 2: Like you just feel like a million bucks. You do.
00:41:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just so nice to like, you know, be able to just make things a lot easier for our brains. But I remember you've done your makeup, you know, like the makeup, what was it? Sorry, the makeup package.
00:42:05
Speaker 3: The guides. Yeah.
00:42:06
Speaker 1: So Rach made the makeup guides and I've got one, which I love. And I went to Mecca yesterday and I spent way too much time and I got all the things. But you said in a post about the makeup, you do need to be careful with like a lot of brands and companies, they name things cool or warm or even the swatches on the packaging. And they're so off. So- Like, yeah, what did you find when you swatched over thousands of colours at the makeup store?
00:42:30
Speaker 3: It was so eye-opening to do. I mean, I knew a lot of things already, but it just really confirmed that warm tones are favoured in the makeup industry. I will say that is partly because... the colours that we use for make-up tend to be warmer colours. So, I mean, we're not going to be walking around wearing a blue lipstick, for example. Nobody does that. We all wear kind of reds and pinks and a lot of those naturally lean warmer. So that is something to note is that most make-up leans warm. So if you are cool.
00:42:59
Speaker 2: I've got so many cool people.
00:43:00
Speaker 1: I know.
00:43:00
Speaker 3: It's rough.
00:43:01
Speaker 1: It's really rough.
00:43:02
Speaker 3: We just have a lot less options. Yeah, that's rough. But that's why I'm here. This is why I make these guides because it just clears all of that up for you. And they are out there. The options are there. and it's improving. But in terms of the way that brands label things, it's unfortunate, but every single brand is working with a different principle. So, for example, MAC labels their foundations on the opposite, right? So when they say NC, which is cool, it actually means warm. And House Labs does something very similar with their foundations. So when it comes to foundation, I always say just completely ignore the labels and just check it on your skin yourself. And then the other component is actually I've got a friend who works in the makeup industry and she told me that she used to work for a makeup brand and the CEO would, every time they did a new batch, they would swatch the makeup products and go, yeah, that's close enough. And because apparently it's really expensive to own a color. And so every time they release a new batch, they are starting kind of from scratch essentially.
00:44:14
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:44:15
Speaker 1: So you have to own the color. Yeah.
00:44:16
Speaker 3: So you have like the original and you swatch it on your hand and then you get this new batch and you swatch them and try and find one that kind of is close enough. And I found that because there was a few products that I've previously recommended to people in my guides over the years and I've swatched them again and they're a different color now and I wouldn't recommend that to the same group of people. The other thing to keep in mind is just because a product line shares a color name, it's not going to be the same across. So I think NARS Dolce Vita is kind of across a lot of the ranges. So a blush, a lip gloss, a lipstick, and all of them are different colors. Not massively, but noticeably between their undertones. So this is why it's really confusing. And this is exactly why I make these guides, because for the average person, it's just too much information to take in. And walking through Mecca... and swatching things, like, you're going to go insane.
00:45:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's already overwhelming. And I'm like, I love makeup.
00:45:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, you get it.
00:45:13
Speaker 1: You get makeup. But I remember, like, yeah, fun fact, I used to work at MAC for years.
00:45:16
Speaker 3: Did you? Yes.
00:45:17
Speaker 1: And now that you say that, I do remember certain lipsticks, I swear, like, things, like, there was a lipstick called Myth and there's still one out there.
00:45:24
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:45:25
Speaker 1: And I remember it just, I feel like it's gotten, like, a bit deeper lately. And I'm like, I feel like, and that makes so much sense now I think back.
00:45:31
Speaker 3: MAC is terrible for it. They constantly change their colours. Yeah. A lot of brands do it and they don't announce it. It's not like a thing where they're like, just FYI, we've changed the formula and the colour. It doesn't happen. So I would also say if you've got a favourite product, maybe go in store and swatch it before you buy another one.
00:45:47
Speaker 2: And then if it's right, just buy a fair few.
00:45:50
Speaker 3: Seriously, stock up.
00:45:52
Speaker 1: I know they say things expire, which I know I'm a makeup artist, so I shouldn't be saying this, but I'm like, it'll be fine.
00:45:57
Speaker 2: It's fine.
00:45:57
Speaker 3: Use a bit of alcohol.
00:45:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. What, like... Do you have like the most, like with all your clients, you've had over 6,000 clients, which is crazy. Is there like, I don't know if it's maybe a nationality thing or Australian, like is there a more popular season that you find that you're diagnosing?
00:46:17
Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying?
00:46:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can say that. There definitely is. But like you say, I think if you asked a colour analyst question, you know from a few different countries they'd all have a different answer I mean obviously for me my service is virtual so my clients come from all over the world so that does alter things a little bit but the majority of my clients are still Australian a lot of them are Caucasian and I think that's the reason that my results end up how they do I would say over the course of the years that I've been doing this the most common season is summer okay so a lot of cool tone people um with more muted features and, uh, lighter features as well. So like a lighter brunette. Um, but last month in saying that, um, I don't know if you've ever seen on my stories every month, I do a little bit of a summary of, yes, I love those. No, it's so fun. I think people like to see numbers, you know, it's interesting. And so every month I do a little wrap up of, the percentages of each season. And last month, and I think this month so far as well, deep winter has been the most popular.
00:47:22
Speaker 1: So Kardashians are winters, aren't they?
00:47:23
Speaker 3: They are, yeah. Look at me. You get it. You're all over this. It's like dark hair, fairer skin a lot of the time or darker skin as well. But, yeah, that has been a lot more common. So it just really depends. I would get a bit nervous if I was having all of the same all the time. I'd be worried I was, like, biased towards something. So it makes me happy when I see there's a bit of a variety. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I love that.
00:47:49
Speaker 2: That's so cool.
00:47:50
Speaker 1: What would you say, like, you've got so many different packages for your virtual, like, sessions and stuff what's like your most popular and would you say this is like a good Christmas present for someone to get someone yeah for.
00:48:00
Speaker 3: Sure our most popular is the complete color hair and makeup package so the reason that's popular is just because you get a bit of everything um and obviously uh with our packages as well if you bundle them together you kind of save a little bit too uh so within that you'll get your color analysis so all of your best colors color swatches you get recommendations for nail colors and accessories. It's so fun. There's literally everything is thought of in there. Then like we were speaking about, we have the hair guide as well. So you'll find out all of your best hair colors. And then we also include the makeup guide as well. So those guides have hundreds of makeup recommendations for your season. They also have little swatches in the back of the guide as well. So if you want to go out and test your own makeup products as well, you can. But that's definitely the most popular. And In terms of it being a good Christmas gift, I personally think it is just the most thoughtful gift that you can give someone.
00:48:56
Speaker 1: So personalised.
00:48:57
Speaker 3: And also, you know those people that just have everything?
00:49:00
Speaker 1: Yes.
00:49:00
Speaker 3: It's the perfect thing for them because what are you going to get that person? You know, you can only buy so many gift cards to, you know, a clothing store that they like or a restaurant that they like. And if they already own physical things that, you know, It's difficult, especially like your mum or people that kind of are just at a point in their life where they want something. they buy it for themselves. So, yeah, and all ages as well.
00:49:23
Speaker 1: And you also do husbands.
00:49:26
Speaker 3: I've still got to do rinds.
00:49:26
Speaker 1: I do husbands. We're going to do rinds and then, of course, ADHD things. I didn't even– but we'll figure that out. We'll do it.
00:49:31
Speaker 3: We'll do it because it's actually really nice to understand both of your seasons and how you can kind of dress together. Yeah. But we do men as well and– I do get asked often about kids. So you can have children done. It's just important to note that our coloring can change up until about puberty. So, you know, some people are blonde when they're little and then they're brunette when they're an adult. So you can have it done, but they'll probably need to have it done again once they kind of get to about 15, 16. Is it really genetic? Yeah. It's interesting, right? Because you, you know, some families, mom and dad are like blonde and all of a sudden the child has like black hair. So There definitely can be themes in families, but at the same time, I've equally seen a heap of families where they're all completely different seasons too.
00:50:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so cool.
00:50:15
Speaker 3: It's so funny, the genetics, yeah.
00:50:16
Speaker 2: You're like, I can't get your hand me down. Sorry, makes me look crap.
00:50:19
Speaker 3: I know. Oh, God, I'm worried for when I have kids now. Yeah. What am I going to be like with their clothes? Oh, funny.
00:50:25
Speaker 2: I love that. That's so awesome.
00:50:27
Speaker 1: So, Rach, thank you so much for coming on. This has been the best. I feel like I said to Rach, I'm like, you need to fly down again because I feel like we could do so many episodes of this because I just love it so much. But where can listeners find you if they want to look into their colours and just also stalk your socials as well?
00:50:41
Speaker 3: So I have social media on all platforms just under Colour Lab Stylist and you can also go to www.colourlabstylist.com. If you're going to do anything though, even if you're not certain whether, you know, a color analysis is right for you, you can just follow me on Instagram because as you've mentioned throughout today, I post a lot of information. I post pretty much every day. There's so much free information. Like even yesterday I did a post about colors that suit most people. So there's information like that, that anybody can use and, just learn so much about the things that potentially will suit you best.
00:51:14
Speaker 1: I love that. And Rach, you also said you've got a discount code for the Stepping Up fam so we can all look hot together. Did you want to share that?
00:51:22
Speaker 3: Yeah. So if you would like to get one of our complete colour analysis packages, you can use the code STEFFINGUP in capital letters. And that will get you 20% off the package.
00:51:31
Speaker 1: That's so good. And you get all your Christmas presents sorted now.
00:51:34
Speaker 3: Exactly. Love it.
00:51:36
Speaker 2: Thank you so much again. And it was so, so lovely. Make sure you guys follow Rach.
00:51:39
Speaker 1: She's amazing. And as she said, she shares so much free, valuable content that she posts makeup, looks, everything.
00:51:46
Speaker 2: So definitely give her a follow. And thank you so much.
00:51:48
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. It's been fun.
