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The world is loud, truth feels confusing, and life has a way of making us forget what matters most.
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But through scripture, honest conversation, and real stories of faith, remember who the king is exists for one purpose.
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To point back to Jesus.
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This is more than a podcast.
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It's a reminder.
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The king is still on the throne.
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Welcome back to Remember Who the King Is.
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Um we we had uh last episode such uh an eye-opening episode.
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We're talking about David, and man, he he was a man after God's own heart.
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God chose him.
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He was king and he made some awful decisions.
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We all make awful decisions.
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And so this is really this is really a life learning podcast.
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That's what we're all about.
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And not just for you.
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We don't want to just talk, have you listen, have you read your scripture and and start to change.
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We want to change.
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We want to apply it to our own lives.
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We want to grow, and we want to talk about that on the podcast.
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Uh last last episode I mentioned, I'll briefly mention this.
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Uh, the website is rememberTheKing.com.
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Please send us your comments, your questions, uh, anything you have as an idea.
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I would love to talk about this.
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Send that to us, and we will discuss that right here uh on the podcast.
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Anyway, my name is Chad Muncie, and I'm here with Donnie Prince and Mark Barry, and today we're diving into the second part of what happens to David.
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So please get your Bibles out, follow along, and get your notebook out and take some notes so that you can practically apply this stuff to your life.
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Donnie, where are we at?
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Well, we're in uh we're in 2 Samuel, and today we're reading chapters uh twelve and thirteen.
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And so, you know, that's where we're that's where we're going today, and we're picking up where we left off in our last episode where uh you know David had the uh affair with uh a man that he knew, Uriah the Hittite, his wife Bathsheba.
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And David has uh made some really tough decisions after that, and he's put Uriah in a position where he was killed.
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And he's taken Bathsheba to be his to be as one of his wives.
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And so now we're picking it up in chapter twelve where Nathan rebukes David.
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So the Lord sent Nathan the prophet to tell David this story.
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There were two men in a certain town, one was rich and one was poor.
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The rich man owned a great many sheep and cattle.
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The poor man owned nothing but one little lamb he had bought.
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He raised that little lamb and it grew up with his children.
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It ate from the man's own plate and drank from his cup.
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He coddled it in his arms like a baby daughter.
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One day a guest arrived at the home of the rich man, but instead of killing an animal from his own flock or herd, he took the poor man's lamb and killed it and prepared it for his guest.
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David was furious, as surely as the Lord lives, he vowed, any man who would do such a thing deserves to die.
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He must repay four lambs to the poor man for the one he stole and for having no pity.
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Then Nathan said to David, You are the man.
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The Lord the God of Israel says, I anointed you king of Israel and saved you from the power of Saul.
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I gave you your master's house and his wives and the kingdoms of Israel and Judah, and if that had not been enough, I would have given you much, much more.
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Why then have you despised the word of the Lord and done this horrible deed?
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For you have murdered Uriah the Hittite with the sword of the Ammonites and stolen his wife.
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From this time on your family will live by the sword, because you have despised me by taking Uriah's wife to be your own.
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This is what the Lord says, Because of what you have done, I will cause your own household to rebel against you.
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I will give your wives to another man before your very eyes, and he will go to bed with them in public view.
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You did it secretly, but I will make this happen to you openly in the sight of all Israel.
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Then David confessed to Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord.
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Nathan replied, Yes, but the Lord has forgiven you, and you won't die for this sin.
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Nevertheless, because you have shown utter contempt for the word of the Lord, by doing this your child will die.
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After Nathan returned to his home, the Lord sent a deadly illness to the child of David and Uriah's wife.
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David begged God to spare the child.
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He went without food and lay all night on the bare ground.
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The elders of the household pleaded with him to get up and eat with them, but he refused.
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On the seventh day the child died.
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David's advisors were afraid to tell him.
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He wouldn't listen to reason while the child was ill, they said.
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What drastic thing will he do when we tell him the child is dead?
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When David saw them whispering, he realized what had happened.
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Is a child dead?
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he asked.
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Yes, they replied.
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He is dead.
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Then David got up from the ground, he washed himself, put on lotions, and changed his clothes.
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He went to the tabernacle and worshiped the Lord.
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After that he returned to the palace and was served food and ate.
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His advisors were amazed, we don't understand you, they told him.
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While the child was still living you wept and refused to eat.
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But now that the child is dead, you have stopped your mourning and are eating again.
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David replied, I fasted and wept while the child was alive, for I said, Perhaps the Lord will be gracious to me and let the child live.
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But why should I fast when he is dead?
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Can I bring him back again?
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I will go to him one day, but he cannot return to me.
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Then David comforted Bathsheba his wife and slept with her.
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She became pregnant and gave birth to a son, and David named him Solomon.
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The Lord loved the child and sent word through Nathan the prophet that they should name him Jedediah, which means beloved of the Lord, as the Lord had commanded.
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You know like we talked about before.
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All of us, right?
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You know, all of us, and I can promise you, I ain't perfect.
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I made about every kind of mistake you can make.
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And I ain't too proud to say it.
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But you know, God loves us anyway.
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You know, in this in this situation with David, like for the rest of his life, he he you know, if as folks say, look, we we hope you're gonna read ahead, you know, in in uh in on our podcast.
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We read these things, but our hope is that you will want a gold star and you will read ahead the farther in David's story because there's so much more to read.
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But you know, at first it looked like David might have got away with this thing, right?
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Uriah's been killed in battle, David, you know, marries Uriah's wife, he's got her, you know, in a in his home, so on and so forth.
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But when God says the sword will never leave your house, he ain't playing.
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I mean, you know, and David, David suffers greatly, and this is a tremendous warning, I think, to us about the consequences of sin, like kind of like we've discussed before.
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You know, in the feel-good church mentality, you know, you know, where you can give a you know, give a give some money and get a blessing and all this other stuff.
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I mean, there are consequences for our behavior, and and this is a perfect example of it.
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And Mark, you know, I know like we've talked about, I know you've done a lot of research and you know, read about you know, about this situation, and you know, I I'm really interested to hear your thoughts and Chad's too about about the second part of this story.
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Well, for me, and reading this up until the time that Nathan confronts David and point blank tells him how God feels and what God had said to Nathan to pass along.
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David's still going about his own way, you know, when when he's told that uh Uriah is dead, he says the sword devours one as well as another.
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Just kind of nonchalantly.
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Just you know.
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If I'm not mistaken, it's not just it's not just Uriah that that dies at the enemy walls.
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There were some others that passed away also.
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So you've got more than one person that's passed away as a result of David's David's decision or his plan, so to speak.
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Um so I got to thinking about Nathan, you know, and and his ability to be able to to gut check David and to be able to point blank, you know, tell him the story about the rich man taking the poor man's lamb, and and I think that's when the light switch came on for David.
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But then for Nathan just to turn it right back around and say, you know, you're that man.
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I just don't think, you know, I mean that just kind of showed me where again in the very beginning of the first first series we were talking about, you know, I was talking about where is David's heart?
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You know, where's his head?
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What's he thinking?
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Has idol time gotten a hold of him to to start this this evil journey, this evil process, but but to for Nathan to be able to, I guess, be in a position to go to the king and say, you know, this is you.
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This is all you.
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I think for me in reading this, this was one of the first times where the light switch came on and David felt remorse and he and he felt guilty and he felt like he needed to ask God for forgiveness, or else, you know, no telling what else is gonna happen.
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He's already taken the child.
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Um, you know, and to take a child, in my opinion, it's not easy for God to do.
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No.
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You know, to punish someone else.
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No.
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Um and that's a different subject, different topic in Chad.
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I'd love to hear from you on this because I've got some more I want to talk about, or have some questions I should want to ask in regards to uh God taking their child, Beth that she and David's child.
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But yeah, that's that was a light switch moment for me reading what Nathan had said.
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Yeah, this is a tough one.
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You have to look, you have to you look at this as scripture, and then you have to start really looking inwardly because here we have some a man who did some horrible things, was in sin, and you you use the word nonchalantly what he said, and I I love the word nonchalant because that shows his how how he was in that moment.
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Just um I'm just coasting.
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Um I think when I'm thinking through this, we've been at moments like that.
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I've been at moments like that where I'm like, well, yeah, I may have done this, it's not that bad, whatever, I'm just gonna keep going on my way.
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And we have to remember that sin uh sin is is pretty easily hidden from people, but is never hidden from God.
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God always knows exactly what you've done.
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He doesn't just magically forget your sin.
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It takes the repentance, and it takes real repentance.
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Real repentance is when you finally, like you say, the light bulb moment.
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I love you the that you use that because that is that's the moment that it takes to actually be truly repentant.
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Wow, I actually I did some horrible things.
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This is awful.
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I need repentance, I need to repent.
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And even forgiven sin can leave painful consequences, and that's what we see in this story.
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These consequences are are very harsh consequences.
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Uh and it doesn't matter if you when you sin, it doesn't matter if you get forgiveness, the consequences are still gonna be there.
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So you mentioned um you mentioned when he said uh Nathan says you are the man, and that was the light bulb moment.
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So for me, this is this is kind of what hits me.
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Sometimes we see sin clearly in others, we're judgmental towards others, and you completely miss it in yourself.
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You're so the nonchalant, you're just coasting, you miss it in your uh you miss the sin in your own life.
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What is the um take the whatever the eye?
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Donnie, you probably know what to melt.
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Take the light pole out of your own eye or something.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Take the log out of your eye.
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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Take the log out of your own eye.
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So we exactly.
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So we're judging somebody else, and we we miss in ourselves.
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Um let me ask you, Donnie, and then I'll come back to my thoughts, but why do you think it is easier to see other people's sin um so sometimes we even we're even doing something worse, but it's so easy to just see theirs and judge it.
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You know what I mean?
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Oh, yeah.
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Well, I think it you know, we're human.
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You know, it's easy to judge somebody else, you know.
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You know, and it's hard, you know, Jesus says you be judged, it's you judge others.
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I mean, you know.
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I mean, you know, we we need to we need to be mindful of that.
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And and it is, you're right.
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It's so easy to, you know, it's kind of like it's hard to see well, you know, you can't see yourself unless you're looking in a mirror, right?
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But you can see everybody else.
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Yep, yep.
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So, you know, it's easy for us to see, and like with David, you know, David I mean, there's never there's not a greater man than David in the Bible.
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I mean, he he he you know, as a human being, I mean, David was the man.
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I mean, he he he you know, the story of Goliath and David, you know, he he you know, he he he is a epitome of of what a a a godly follower of God should be.
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But yet he's a human being and we all make mistakes, you know, and I think that's such an empowerful thing.
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But we have to forgive ourselves when we make a mistake.
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If you read further into this story through David's life, God won't joke him when he said that the soul would never leave his life.
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He has one tragic event after another involving his family after after this happened.
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And David dies a broken man in this story.
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And and and if you read it, like if you read the Psalms, he wrote the twenty-third Psalm.
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There's so many beautiful, powerful psalms.
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But there are a lot of songs of deep remorse, regret, and depression that David wrote, and I'm convinced it came from this event.
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I mean, you know, he you know, this thing that happened uh, you know, God forgive him, he forgave, but God forgives us.
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But those scars of what we do, the decisions we make, the things we're involved in, they're they're they're painful, they're real, they they you know, they don't they don't just go away, right?
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You know, and David I can't imagine what it was like for David when he stood there before Nathan.
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And and Nathan, let's take Nathan.
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Nathan is his accountability partner, right?
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And we need that.
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We we need as men and women, as Christian people, we need those accountability partners, those good friends.
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And Mark and I, you know, we have a a good friend group, and I'm, you know, and now Mark and Chad and I feel this bond growing between us.
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I feel like if one of us had a problem with something the other one was doing, or we felt, you know, hey, this isn't good for you, I think we could come to we could come together and talk about it.
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And that's powerful.
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And Nathan in this story, when he comes to David, you know, that's the last thing Nathan wanted to do.
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He did not want it, you know, he didn't want to do that.
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That's his friend.
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And he has to say, you're the man.
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I I just think to myself, let's take that relationship, Nathan and David.
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What do y'all think it was like that day when Nathan had to go deliver this message and David had to hear it?
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I yeah, I can't even imagine to put myself in Nathan's shoes.
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I mean, I'm sure his heart was broken as well.
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Nathan may not have known what was going on until God spoke to him.
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Right.
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And then he's got to go deliver the message.
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Yep.
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And I'm assuming that the story with the lambs came from God, not Nathan.
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That's right.
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Or it was interpreted as such, but it came from God, right?
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That's right.
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So obviously David admired and respected and trusted Nathan on probably m other occasions, and and so I'm sure it was with a tearful eye that Nathan delivered those messages.
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You know, it's while you were talking, Donnie, I wrote I like to take notes as Chad was saying earlier, and not only during the podcast, but in my my studying, and we were talking about judging other people and maybe uh trying to reduce our sin by looking at someone else's sin and going, well, you know, they're a whole lot worse than I.
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But I wrote down it's hard to judge and not be judgmental.
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Exactly.
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Wow, it's powerful.
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It's hard to judge and not be judgmental.
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I mean, where is that fine line?
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Is there a fine line done?
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And then we were talking about wounds, and we're talking about the healing of wounds, and you know, a wound when it happens, it's it hurts.
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It's deep.
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I don't know about you, but at my age, when I when I get wounded physically, the first thing I think about is how long is this gonna take for me to heal?
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At my age, because I don't heal as fast as I used to, right?
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But later on, after that wound has healed, and you know, it doesn't hurt anymore, but I rarely ever forget A, how it happened and and B how it looked and how it hurt.
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I rarely forget those three things.
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And even though the scar is still there and it doesn't hurt anymore, but it's a reminder, you know, of of the wound, and it's a reminder of possibly even a decision that caused that wound.
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So uh but those were the two things that I wrote down.
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But yeah, Nathan had a tough job.
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I mean, he had a tough what do you think, Chad?
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When he had to go to David and talk to him about what God had told him.
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He's uh Yeah, yeah when you have to lay it out all out on the line to your king.
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To a king, uh you've gotta you've gotta have some uh some courage for sure.
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Uh he lays everything out.
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I mean, David's adultery and his murder, his deception.
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I I can't imagine confronting somebody like that.
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Um the thing that really pops out to me about that is you we talked about how uh Mark, you said God was speaking through Nathan, and God told Nathan to do this.
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Nathan, this came from God ultimately.
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All of the all of the the ways to correct sin, all of the repentance, everything it comes from God, and God uses different people.
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It reminded me of when I was um when I was about 16 years old, I got in.
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I got in some trouble hanging out with the wrong people, some of my friends.
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And uh before the podcast started, a little backstory, I was talking to Donnie.
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Mark, you hadn't got on yet, and me and Donnie were talking, and Don Donnie said something to me.
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He said, Hey, Chad, I'm proud of you.
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And I told him, I said, That reminds me of my Peppa.
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My Peppa was a really big, important figure in that time of my life.
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He was still alive.
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He's passed on since, but he was he was still alive.
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He was probably the most important figure for me, father figure, um, someone who loved the Lord.
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And so he was the person in my mind that I respected the most.
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Also the person that if I didn't want to know I was doing something bad, it would be him.
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So anyway, I was I got in trouble and I was hanging out with some people.
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I did something really stupid, and I got in trouble with the police.
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And so the police, I'm a minor, and the police called my mom and said, Hey, you your son was doing this, he's in trouble.
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If you don't want us to take him to jail or wherever we're going to take him, you need to come get him.
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Pick him up right here.
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And so she got that call.
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Well, little to my to my shock, um, my mom shows up and my papa is with her, and my blood drained out of my face.
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I was so, oh my goodness, I cannot believe he is here.
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Had so much respect for him.
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And he sat me down and had this talk with me, and it really was, it reminds me of this story.
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It was that accountability, but it was someone, it came from someone that I did not, never would have anticipated it coming from.
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So I say all that to say God uses people, and sometimes he uses people to stop us in our tracks, and sometimes it's people we don't expect.
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In this story, I think I think the roles might have been switched.
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I think Nathan would have probably felt the blood draining out of his face.
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I can't believe I've I need to I have I've got to do this, though.
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I've got to do this, I've got the conviction, I'm gonna tell David.
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But I cannot imagine how he felt in that moment, thinking, I'm just gonna lay it all out on the line here.
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Um, but I think the thing I can learn from this is hidden sin, uh, the Bible says, be sure your sin will find you out.
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It's gonna find you out one way or the other.
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The Bible promises that hidden sin eventually comes to light.
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You may be able to hide it from your parents, your family, your church, your wife, your husband, uh, friends, definitely on social media.
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We definitely don't put air or dirt of the laundry out on social media, but you cannot hide it from God.
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And God is going to use somebody or something to stop you in your tracks.
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And honestly, we have to, I have to hope that God does because I don't want to see the consequences if I continue in my sin.
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I want to stop that sin.
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I want to get repentance.
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I want to say, Lord, forgive me for this.
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Please forgive me.
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Help me to stop and stop being stupid because I do not want those consequences.
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And I think that's one thing we can learn from this story.
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God's going to use somebody or something, and it's going to shock you, and it's going to stop you in your tracks.
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And whatever stays hidden, uh if as long as it's hidden, it just grows stronger.
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So I'm so thankful for those moments that I had an accountability partner like my papa or my mom, or I went to a Christian school and I had an amazing principal, and he would have these talks with me.
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But I'm so thankful because I I don't know about you guys, but I don't want to stay in some kind of hidden sin that's going to destroy me.
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I want it to stop.
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Well, that's a blessing, Chad, because you know, at at you know, here we are, 40s, 50s, and 60 something year old.
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And at my age, I I don't want to carry any more baggage.
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I don't want to carry sin.
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I don't want that weighing on my heart and and and in my mind.
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And and if we're able to connect with, as Donnie was saying in a in another episode, the youth, or young or old, regardless, but the younger the better.
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And get them in a place where they can can be saved and to let go, get let go of of whatever large or small is going on in their life.
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That's a blessing.
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I mean, you know, that's catching that's that's catching the caterpillar before it becomes a butterfly, you know.
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Um I I want that for in my heart for each and everybody that's listening to this podcast, young or old, but um but especially the young for sure.
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You know, to you know, to that point, uh you know, here again, you know, Chad, I'm really interested, you know, Mark and Chad, but you know, Chad, since you have teenage sons, you know, we talked about that a bit before.
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You know, they're living in this social media world where, you know, when when when Mark and I were younger, when we had a problem, we talked about this a bit on some of the other episodes.
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When we had a problem as a young man, right, you know, we had our parents, our aunts, or uncles, our coaches, our teachers, you know, other adults, men that we knew and and adult women that when we had a problem, or we need to learn how to do something.
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Or if we had a situation that we didn't know what to do, we had to go seek somebody out.
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Even in the business world, when I first went to the business world back in the 1980s, and I worked for several really large companies and they all had very extensive uh training programs.
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They they realized that if their businesses were gonna succeed, then that time uh economics and the economy was a more of a relationship business, and so you know, they had to invest in their people.
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You know, Mark was at Mark, you know, was an auto industry, and you know, if you were gonna if you were you're building loyalty with your customers, you needed quality people who could who could who could serve your customers, you know, to be successful, right?
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You know, Mark and I grew up in that era, you know, and today uh you know these younger people, and I'm not knocking them, I'm just saying this is just the way it is, you know, instead of talking to their peers or people a little older or people who really care about them and love them and want to see them succeed, you know, they're googling things, you know, for for the answer to how to how to handle relationships.
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And I I when I read this, you know, and I think about David and Nathan, you know, David's like I said, David's a king.
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He could just say, hey man, uh call the guards in here.
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Cut his head off, throw him in a ditch.
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I mean, you know, he he he has absolute power.
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He's been proven he'll kill Uriah.
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Right?
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I mean, you know, so Nathan has to it took tremendous courage for him to go do what he did.
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But don't you know they had to be tight.
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Don't you know him and Nathan before this ever happened?
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They are tight.
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David respects Nathan.
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I mean, David walks into the king's presence, right?
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He he ain't got you know, he said, Hey, I'm here to see David.
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And you know, everybody in there would have said, Okay, get David, because this is Nathan, and Nathan's his advisor, his confidant, his closest, one of his closest friends.
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David's gonna want to hear what Nathan has to say.
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And for young people to not have those relationships, I think as as older people, we should be seeking these younger people out.
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We should be trying to make connections every way possible.
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We should we should be telling them we're proud of them when they do something well, right?
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You know, we should be we should be trying to mentor these younger people.
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I don't think they realize what they're missing.
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Chad, what do you think about that?
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Have a you yourself are young, you know, you're quite a bit younger than than I am, you know, and you're uh you know, you you have teenage boys, and you know, my kids are in their thirties, I got grandkids, but how what do you say about that?
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How how could we reach these younger people?
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And I hope our podcast does that love that, hey, we you know we care about you.
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God loves you, He wants a relationship with you, and uh one of the greatest things in life is accountability and connection.
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How how how could we do that, Chad?
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What do you think how could we approach that as men?
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No, that's really good.
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In fact, um let me pull up my the the scripture we were just reading.
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I had uh something came to mind and I need to refresh myself on it, but I'm uh let's see, what is uh Chad, while you're while while you're doing that, can I interject something?
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Yeah, go ahead.
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I kind of liked the way that Nathan bringing all this about to David's attention didn't point blank accuse David of, you know, you did this, you did that, you did this, you did that, you did this.
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He put it into a story form.
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He put he he he brought it about in such a way that obviously the rich man taking the poor man's lamb was was wrong, but but but David reacted to that fiercely.
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Right.
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Fiercely.
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So I think I think you know, by the way that Nathan brought that about, yeah.
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He he wasn't point blank, you know, crucifying David for those things that he did, but he put it into a storyboard, story form that uh I think we talked about it being a light switch or opened David's eyes and it kind of totally centered him back to where he once was.
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Right.
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So the the verse that uh or the the uh chapter that I was thinking of is in 2 Samuel as well.
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It's 13, it's Jonadab.
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So you know Jon Jonadab, the horrible advice he gave.
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So this came to mind when you were talking about kids going and getting advice online from a million different resources who all contradict each other.
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Um, and just for everyone listening, you can go, and we we we may even go into this chapter sometime um uh or and talk more about it, but uh chapter 13 talks about the advice that Jonadab gave, and it in the end of the chapter it talks about how horrible the advice was, and um uh let's see here.
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No, my brother, she she cried, don't be foolish, don't do this to me.
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Such wicked things aren't done.
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So it it it leads up to a horrible um sexual attempt, sin in that.
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And anyway, it's horrible counsel.
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So go read chapter 13, you'll know what I'm talking about.
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I don't want to go dive too deeply into that story, but that is what a lot of this counsel is.
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Um, and there's no reality in it.
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The kids don't have to experience anything except just, oh, I need an answer to this question.
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And they're basically getting about any answer they want so they can pick and choose which answer is correct.
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So what what are we as sinful creatures, as sinful beings, as humans, what are we more likely to do if we say, hey, I want an answer to this very serious issue I have.
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Let me go to Google, let me type it in, and then we see the answers.
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What are we more likely gonna do?
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Pick the answer that is really hard, or pick the answer that says, Yeah, that sounds like it might be easier.
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We're gonna pick the easier answer, and I think that's what's happening a lot with these young people.
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It's it is being it's a modern day um Jonadab.
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It's a modern day horrible counsel for a lot of young people.
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We Donnie, you talked about going uh in the business world, you talked about seeking out wise uh counsel, advice from people who had experience, people that you knew, um, and that's not what's happening here.
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You don't know these people from Adam on the internet, you don't know these social media influencers from anybody.
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And not all advice is wisdom.
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And I think that is where we you have to draw a line.
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If you're a parent, it's very scary because you say our kids are going online and finding people because they have a lot of views, and that doesn't qualify them to anything in my book.
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I don't know, I don't know who these people are.
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Just because they have a a million views uh and they're popular, honestly, I don't trust them a little more because they're popular because of the culture we live in, if I'm being honest.
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And so when you have kids running to these people and watching influencers, and um, that's why they're called influencers, because they're really good at influencing.
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And I've had experience with my with my boys and having to teach hard lessons about um you know watch it watching a YouTube video and starting to listen to these people, and then besides just the the interest or the hobby that they're learning about, they start diving into religion or start diving into God and their thoughts, and then you're that enters your teenager's mind, and they say, Hey, hmm, this sounds a little different than what I've heard.
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Maybe I should start diving into this, and it's it sways you away from truth.
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So, Donnie, to answer your question, it's a really it's a really scary thing, and and we talked about that in the last episode about guarding.
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I I don't think I don't think the excuse of I want to give my kids as much privacy as they can have and they they uh they're their own person, they're independent.
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I think it's a horrible excuse, and I think it can lead now.
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Do I think you can be overbearing?
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Yeah, I think you can be overbearing.
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I think you can do it in a really harsh way, but I think guarding your heart, your home, and your children's heart is probably one of the most important things that you can do because because this this leads down a bad road almost all of the time when kids get on get on there and to try to try to figure life out by online.
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It's a dangerous thing, it's really hard.
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You know, I I'm curious to know what y'all what y'all think about this.
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You know, the you know, one of the Ten Commandments is thou shalt not covet, right?
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You know, David is on the roof and he's looking down on Bathsheba and he covets Uriah's wife.
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And that leads him into all this, right?
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This is like I said, Satan and the demons, man, they were they were right where they wanted to be when they got David into that position.
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There's nothing that Satan wanted more than to than to hurt David because he is the epitome of what God wanted a man to be at that point in his life, right?
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And and Satan's still active today.
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He he's out there, he's trying, he's he is he is conniving and scamming for the minds and souls of of all of us, and particularly the younger people, right, that you know, that that he can you know get his claws into.
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And I and when I think about this story and I think about you know the social media aspect and you know, people put pictures on there.
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You know, I I I don't do a whole lot on social media, but I you know, a lot of my friends and family do, and they, you know, they're they're watching what other people are doing and what they're posting and all, you know, whatever you call it.
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And it's very easy for them to think, well, gosh, look at them, look at their life.
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Their life is perfect.
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Well, all they see is a the one out of ten thousand pictures somebody took and stuck up there, you know, and and it's easy to lead them right down this wrong path.
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And I and I think you know, in talking what we're talking about today, here David was, he had everything.
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Like God said, if you'd if you'd have wanted something else, all you had to do is ask me for it.
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You know, if you if you'd if you'd have needed this or you'd have needed that, I gave you the kingdom, I gave you Judah, the kingdom of Judah, I I I I helped you reunite the kingdom of Judah and Israel.
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I you know, I saved you from Saul when he was hunting you down, trying to take you out.
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All you had to do was ask me.
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But you know, you you did this instead.
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And I and I think about I, you know, as a parent and now a grandparent, there ain't nothing I wouldn't do for my kids, right?
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Or my grandkids.
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I I love doing stuff for them.
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And I understand that they want to do things on their own and they need to go their own way and they need to be their own people, but wise godly counsel is such an incredibly valuable thing to have.
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And I think in our society, with this I call I'd call it the Google mentality or now the AI mentality, instead of coming to people who care about them and love them and want their very best for them, I think our society is influencing them to look away from that.
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I I don't think people are bad or kids are bad, or you know, I I think we're being deceived into something that is not as good for us as what's available.
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What do y'all think about that?
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We're all living in the same ever-changing world.
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What do you think, Mark, Chad?
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What do y'all think about it?
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Yeah, I think for me it just boils down to three things.
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It boils down to what you think, yeah.
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It boils down to how I feel, right?
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And it boils down to how I react or act.
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And you know, the way I think sometimes has been explained as it's a form of seed that's planted in the mind.
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Well, these seeds you're talking about, Donnie, with AI and with Google, and not that I'm bashing either one, but but again, there's seeds that are being planted, not just in our youth's minds, but everybody's minds.
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And if you plant a narrow negative thought, and it won't be long until it grows into fear.
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And you know, and we all know how we've reacted to fear in our lives, it's turmoil.
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It's a major challenge, right?
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Right.
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And so with our emotions, the you know, that's energy that we carry with us every day.
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And decisions are made sometimes based on fear.
00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:07.760
Oh, yeah.
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You know, um you lead by example, or you lead, or you motivate with fear.
00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:14.159
We've heard that.
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We've had bosses possibly in the past that motivated with fear, you know, you do this or else, or you're fired, or you're out of here.
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Well, that was really their problem, but it carried on over into the lives of other people.
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Right.
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So I think when you train yourself to think you know more clearly and you feel more helpfully and you ra react more conscientiously, your inner world will become more stable.
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And when your inner world becomes stable, then your outer world becomes more clear, less blurry, less frightening.
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People can can maybe better relate to you.
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I mean, I've even doing this podcast, I've had people that have come up to me and said, you know, I've really enjoyed the podcast and gotten a lot out of it.
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Yeah.
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And and that's a blessing, and it makes me feel like, you know, not only am I preaching God's word, but I'm also doing, you know, walking the walk and trying to talk the talk, or vice versa.
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I mean, doing what God's will is for me.
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And um so but I I think it boils down to how you think, how you feel, and how you react, and there's there's a lot of other self-help type information out there that can get you to those places.
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But ultimately, God wants us to be happy and healthy.
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He loves us, he wants nothing but the best for us.
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That's right.
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And he'll forgive us even when we do mess up.
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Yep.
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Yeah, I agree.
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I agree a hundred percent.
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I think the the key is being around people who will challenge you.
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And I think that's hard because you are not um that doesn't happen by accident.
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You you might happen to have a relationship with somebody at some point, and that's a great relationship.
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That's good.
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But if you are being honest with yourself, you have to pursue um, you have to pursue being around other godly men so that you strengthen each other and you encourage each other and you edify each other.
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Um, and I think that's one reason that I love doing this podcast because this can be one of those tools and resources.
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If somebody says, I don't have anybody, well, come on, listen to this podcast, find other things like this, find a Bible study at church.
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Uh you but you have to you have to find accountability, and that doesn't happen by accident.
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You have to purposefully.
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Say, I want some accountability in my life, how am I going to get that?
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For me, this podcast and joining Donnie and Mark, that's one of the the keys for me.
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Like I I see this as my people around me.
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Um and we strengthen each other and we help each other and we encourage each other.
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And so if if you are a man, if you're a woman, if you're a teenager, you've got to find that accountability.
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And I that's one of the things we learned in the story.
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We talked about the accountability partner and how he told him, he told David, he said, This is what you're doing.
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And that's hard.
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That is hard to find a friend, honestly.
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I can count, and I'm sure you guys can probably say the same thing.
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It is, you only get a few of those in life who are such good friends that they're willing to tell you when you're wrong.
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They don't just sugarcoat it, they don't just say, Oh, it's okay, but they say, Listen, this isn't right, or you need to, you're not doing this right, and they're they're actually in accountability.
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So that for me, that is a huge um lesson in all in this podcast, last that last episode, this episode, and what we're just talking about.
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We've got to get around like-minded men.
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Um you call somebody, text somebody, grab breakfast, but find somebody who can keep you accountable and something that can keep you accountable.
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And another thing is we were talking about just a second ago, the whole social media aspect, the whole Google aspect, and then you guys went into what we're talking about now.
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Um we've got to step up as men, and we've talked about this before on the podcast.
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We've got to step up as men, and as we get older and we become and we see ourselves more as a leader to whether it's you're you're leading a church group, you're leading your children, you're leading your family, whatever whoever you're leading, you've got to see yourself more as a mentor.
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And instead of just saying, Look, look at what I'm doing, try to model this, you find opportunities to mentor somebody because it goes both ways.
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For me, I want people in my life that are doing that to me, but I also know that God has put me here for a reason.
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And if I see somebody out there struggling, or like on this podcast, if we have somebody that messages us and say, hey, I'm struggling in this, we need to be mentors to them.
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We need to actionably take time and offer them advice and say, How can I help you?
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How can I put my arms around you?
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How can I hold you up?
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Um, because if we if we don't disciple people, and I'm talking to every person that is listening to my voice right now, if you don't use what God's given you and disciple someone, there is going to be somebody out there that will disciple them, and they might not be put there by God.
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They might be put there by the internet or by Google or by some enemy of God.
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And so, culture for sure, this culture, if you don't believe that we are we are in a in a time where the devil is fighting tooth and nail, this culture will absolutely train your children for you if you don't train them.
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This culture will absolutely train a middle-aged man who's going through problems in a second, how to ruin his life.
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This culture will absolutely train a retiree who doesn't know how to spend his time.
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It will.
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And so we've got to wrap our arms around each other.
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And uh that's that's encouragement for you out there and encouragement for me too.
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I I get a lot out of this, and I'm I'm hoping that our listeners uh are jotting this stuff down, and hopefully they're getting this out, they're getting the same stuff out, and they're gonna reach their arms around somebody and they're gonna l reach out for help if they need an accountability partner.
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So this is good.
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James 4, 17.
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I think I mentioned it in another podcast.
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I mean, it's it's you know this came to me today.
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Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it to him is a sin.
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So if I see somebody hurting, or if I see somebody that needs help and and I recognize that and I don't assist, then I've let God down.
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I've let myself down, I've let God down, I've let the person down that that could possibly use the help.
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That's that's my verse for today.
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And it's a heavy verse.
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It's not that many words, but it's like if you know how to do good and you don't do it, then that's a sin in God's eyes.
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That's good.
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Because he you think about how how long have you gone thinking that well, sin is when I'm doing something bad and I purposefully go do something bad.
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No, no, no.
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It's when you know that you could do better or you could do something good and you don't do that.
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That's a sin.
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Yeah.
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That's good.
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Yeah.
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And if David, if David is subject to sin, right.
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But God forgave him, he loved him anyway.
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You know, all throughout the New Testament is we're really getting you know, about to go into that, you know, and read, you know, about the angel appearing to Mary, and you know, all these different amazing things that are gonna happen over and over again.
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Jesus is referred to as the son of David.
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The son of David, right?
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So God didn't give up on him.
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And we shouldn't give up on ourselves when we make mistakes, and we shouldn't judge nobody.
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We shouldn't judge nobody.
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Absolutely.
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Well, we're gonna we ended last episode with um something I've never done before, but I started talking about it and I thought about it as as Donnie was reading scripture this time.
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We talked about these questions that you can write down, and Mark said, Hey, I I'm doing it.
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And then I said, I'm doing it.
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Donnie, he's he's jotting stuff down.
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We're we're doing it, we're we're wanting to grow.
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So these personal uh personal application questions, how can you apply this stuff to your life?
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I want you to think through this episode and think, what did I learn?
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Uh Mark just mentioned uh an a great scripture uh for him that knows to do good and doeth it not, to him, it is sin.
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Write the scriptures down, these little things that convict you, or even if they don't convict you, and you say, you know what?
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That's good.
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That's something I could use.
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Write it down.
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So ask yourselves now at the end of the episode, before the episode goes up, goes off, did I do that today?
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Uh is there uh is there a hidden sin in my life?
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We talked about that last time.
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Is there something I need to bring to light?
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Uh Mark and Donnie both mentioned, is there something that I know that I could be doing or somebody I know I could be helping?
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Write their name down, pray for them, reach out to them.
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Uh, are you surrounding yourself with wise voices?
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Are you surrounding yourself with accountability partners?
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Well, no, I'm not really.
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Start doing that.
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This stuff is life-changing.
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This comes right out of the Bible.
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This is scripture.
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This is God's word.
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It is life-changing stuff.
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Um, is there a pain or a bitterness because of something you have in your past?
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Donnie and Mark both talked about people's past and how they carry, they carry weight from things.
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And we talked about seeds, good seeds, bad seeds.
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Think through all this stuff, write it down, and let's apply it to our lives together as we grow on this podcast.
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This is going to be an amazing journey.
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I'm so excited about the things that we are going to have coming up.
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Um, and listen, we are not trying we are not out here trying to uh become celebrities or get famous or uh do anything with money.
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What we're trying to do is help you.
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So if we are if we are not helping you, then we're not doing what God's called us to do.
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So we want this to help you.
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So if you need to reach out to us, reach out to us.
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If you need to write things down, write things down.
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And as we grow, Donnie, Mark, we've all talked about putting some resources on our website, free resources.
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People can go and they can download things.
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Maybe we'll have some devotionals, maybe we'll have uh some scripture studies, but we're gonna start adding stuff to our website.
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And we're gonna put in the work.
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We want you to benefit and your life to benefit, and your spiritual life and your walk with Christ to benefit.
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So please take advantage of that.
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Uh guys, do you have anything else to add?
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Well, I just want to add that one of our speakers, Donnie Prince, has written 10 or 12 books, so we certainly ought to be able to put those references on the site and for those that want access to that.
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I've read them and uh they're awesome.
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Well, thank you.
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Yeah, I appreciate that.
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I hope they'll help people.
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Like Chad was saying, you know, we're we're thankful to be here, and we just want to do what we can to help others grow in their faith.
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Amen.
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Amen.
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So we will we will add this stuff, and as soon as we do, you will hear it in episode, and you can go to the website.
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And if you don't, we we record these episodes well in advance.
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So if if you check at check it back at the website every few weeks, and we'll have some changes and updates and we'll add some things.
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But we want to encourage you and we love all of you, and we pray for you.
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And uh with that, I think Donnie, you want to pray us out?
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Sure, that'd be fun.
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Dear Lord, we thank you so much for the opportunity to be here and to be a part of this.
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And Lord, I thank you for marking Chad and you know just being able to be a part of this podcast, and I pray that as we read your word and discuss it, that it will be an encouragement to others to do the same, and that and that they may grow in their faith and come to know you and your son Jesus Christ in a more intimate and personal way.
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And we ask these things in Jesus' name.
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Amen.
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But through scripture, honest conversation, and real stories of faith, remember who the king is exists for one purpose.
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Welcome back to Remember Who the King Is.
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Um we we had uh last episode such uh an eye-opening episode.
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We're talking about David, and man, he he was a man after God's own heart.
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God chose him.
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He was king and he made some awful decisions.
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We all make awful decisions.
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And so this is really this is really a life learning podcast.
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That's what we're all about.
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And not just for you.
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We don't want to just talk, have you listen, have you read your scripture and and start to change.
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We want to change.
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We want to apply it to our own lives.
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We want to grow, and we want to talk about that on the podcast.
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Uh last last episode I mentioned, I'll briefly mention this.
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Uh, the website is rememberTheKing.com.
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Please send us your comments, your questions, uh, anything you have as an idea.
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I would love to talk about this.
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Send that to us, and we will discuss that right here uh on the podcast.
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Anyway, my name is Chad Muncie, and I'm here with Donnie Prince and Mark Barry, and today we're diving into the second part of what happens to David.
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So please get your Bibles out, follow along, and get your notebook out and take some notes so that you can practically apply this stuff to your life.
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Donnie, where are we at?
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Well, we're in uh we're in 2 Samuel, and today we're reading chapters uh twelve and thirteen.
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And so, you know, that's where we're that's where we're going today, and we're picking up where we left off in our last episode where uh you know David had the uh affair with uh a man that he knew, Uriah the Hittite, his wife Bathsheba.
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And David has uh made some really tough decisions after that, and he's put Uriah in a position where he was killed.
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And he's taken Bathsheba to be his to be as one of his wives.
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And so now we're picking it up in chapter twelve where Nathan rebukes David.
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So the Lord sent Nathan the prophet to tell David this story.
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There were two men in a certain town, one was rich and one was poor.
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The rich man owned a great many sheep and cattle.
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The poor man owned nothing but one little lamb he had bought.
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He raised that little lamb and it grew up with his children.
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It ate from the man's own plate and drank from his cup.
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He coddled it in his arms like a baby daughter.
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One day a guest arrived at the home of the rich man, but instead of killing an animal from his own flock or herd, he took the poor man's lamb and killed it and prepared it for his guest.
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David was furious, as surely as the Lord lives, he vowed, any man who would do such a thing deserves to die.
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He must repay four lambs to the poor man for the one he stole and for having no pity.
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Then Nathan said to David, You are the man.
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The Lord the God of Israel says, I anointed you king of Israel and saved you from the power of Saul.
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I gave you your master's house and his wives and the kingdoms of Israel and Judah, and if that had not been enough, I would have given you much, much more.
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Why then have you despised the word of the Lord and done this horrible deed?
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For you have murdered Uriah the Hittite with the sword of the Ammonites and stolen his wife.
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From this time on your family will live by the sword, because you have despised me by taking Uriah's wife to be your own.
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This is what the Lord says, Because of what you have done, I will cause your own household to rebel against you.
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I will give your wives to another man before your very eyes, and he will go to bed with them in public view.
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You did it secretly, but I will make this happen to you openly in the sight of all Israel.
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Then David confessed to Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord.
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Nathan replied, Yes, but the Lord has forgiven you, and you won't die for this sin.
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Nevertheless, because you have shown utter contempt for the word of the Lord, by doing this your child will die.
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After Nathan returned to his home, the Lord sent a deadly illness to the child of David and Uriah's wife.
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David begged God to spare the child.
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He went without food and lay all night on the bare ground.
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The elders of the household pleaded with him to get up and eat with them, but he refused.
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On the seventh day the child died.
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David's advisors were afraid to tell him.
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He wouldn't listen to reason while the child was ill, they said.
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What drastic thing will he do when we tell him the child is dead?
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When David saw them whispering, he realized what had happened.
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Is a child dead?
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he asked.
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Yes, they replied.
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He is dead.
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Then David got up from the ground, he washed himself, put on lotions, and changed his clothes.
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He went to the tabernacle and worshiped the Lord.
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After that he returned to the palace and was served food and ate.
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His advisors were amazed, we don't understand you, they told him.
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While the child was still living you wept and refused to eat.
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But now that the child is dead, you have stopped your mourning and are eating again.
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David replied, I fasted and wept while the child was alive, for I said, Perhaps the Lord will be gracious to me and let the child live.
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But why should I fast when he is dead?
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Can I bring him back again?
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I will go to him one day, but he cannot return to me.
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Then David comforted Bathsheba his wife and slept with her.
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She became pregnant and gave birth to a son, and David named him Solomon.
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The Lord loved the child and sent word through Nathan the prophet that they should name him Jedediah, which means beloved of the Lord, as the Lord had commanded.
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You know like we talked about before.
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All of us, right?
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You know, all of us, and I can promise you, I ain't perfect.
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I made about every kind of mistake you can make.
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And I ain't too proud to say it.
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But you know, God loves us anyway.
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You know, in this in this situation with David, like for the rest of his life, he he you know, if as folks say, look, we we hope you're gonna read ahead, you know, in in uh in on our podcast.
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We read these things, but our hope is that you will want a gold star and you will read ahead the farther in David's story because there's so much more to read.
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But you know, at first it looked like David might have got away with this thing, right?
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Uriah's been killed in battle, David, you know, marries Uriah's wife, he's got her, you know, in a in his home, so on and so forth.
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But when God says the sword will never leave your house, he ain't playing.
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I mean, you know, and David, David suffers greatly, and this is a tremendous warning, I think, to us about the consequences of sin, like kind of like we've discussed before.
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You know, in the feel-good church mentality, you know, you know, where you can give a you know, give a give some money and get a blessing and all this other stuff.
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I mean, there are consequences for our behavior, and and this is a perfect example of it.
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And Mark, you know, I know like we've talked about, I know you've done a lot of research and you know, read about you know, about this situation, and you know, I I'm really interested to hear your thoughts and Chad's too about about the second part of this story.
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Well, for me, and reading this up until the time that Nathan confronts David and point blank tells him how God feels and what God had said to Nathan to pass along.
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David's still going about his own way, you know, when when he's told that uh Uriah is dead, he says the sword devours one as well as another.
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Just kind of nonchalantly.
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Just you know.
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If I'm not mistaken, it's not just it's not just Uriah that that dies at the enemy walls.
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There were some others that passed away also.
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So you've got more than one person that's passed away as a result of David's David's decision or his plan, so to speak.
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Um so I got to thinking about Nathan, you know, and and his ability to be able to to gut check David and to be able to point blank, you know, tell him the story about the rich man taking the poor man's lamb, and and I think that's when the light switch came on for David.
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But then for Nathan just to turn it right back around and say, you know, you're that man.
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I just don't think, you know, I mean that just kind of showed me where again in the very beginning of the first first series we were talking about, you know, I was talking about where is David's heart?
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You know, where's his head?
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What's he thinking?
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Has idol time gotten a hold of him to to start this this evil journey, this evil process, but but to for Nathan to be able to, I guess, be in a position to go to the king and say, you know, this is you.
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This is all you.
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I think for me in reading this, this was one of the first times where the light switch came on and David felt remorse and he and he felt guilty and he felt like he needed to ask God for forgiveness, or else, you know, no telling what else is gonna happen.
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He's already taken the child.
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Um, you know, and to take a child, in my opinion, it's not easy for God to do.
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No.
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You know, to punish someone else.
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No.
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Um and that's a different subject, different topic in Chad.
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I'd love to hear from you on this because I've got some more I want to talk about, or have some questions I should want to ask in regards to uh God taking their child, Beth that she and David's child.
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But yeah, that's that was a light switch moment for me reading what Nathan had said.
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Yeah, this is a tough one.
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You have to look, you have to you look at this as scripture, and then you have to start really looking inwardly because here we have some a man who did some horrible things, was in sin, and you you use the word nonchalantly what he said, and I I love the word nonchalant because that shows his how how he was in that moment.
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Just um I'm just coasting.
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Um I think when I'm thinking through this, we've been at moments like that.
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I've been at moments like that where I'm like, well, yeah, I may have done this, it's not that bad, whatever, I'm just gonna keep going on my way.
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And we have to remember that sin uh sin is is pretty easily hidden from people, but is never hidden from God.
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God always knows exactly what you've done.
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He doesn't just magically forget your sin.
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It takes the repentance, and it takes real repentance.
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Real repentance is when you finally, like you say, the light bulb moment.
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I love you the that you use that because that is that's the moment that it takes to actually be truly repentant.
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Wow, I actually I did some horrible things.
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This is awful.
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I need repentance, I need to repent.
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And even forgiven sin can leave painful consequences, and that's what we see in this story.
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These consequences are are very harsh consequences.
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Uh and it doesn't matter if you when you sin, it doesn't matter if you get forgiveness, the consequences are still gonna be there.
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So you mentioned um you mentioned when he said uh Nathan says you are the man, and that was the light bulb moment.
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So for me, this is this is kind of what hits me.
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Sometimes we see sin clearly in others, we're judgmental towards others, and you completely miss it in yourself.
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You're so the nonchalant, you're just coasting, you miss it in your uh you miss the sin in your own life.
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What is the um take the whatever the eye?
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Donnie, you probably know what to melt.
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Take the light pole out of your own eye or something.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Take the log out of your eye.
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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Take the log out of your own eye.
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So we exactly.
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So we're judging somebody else, and we we miss in ourselves.
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Um let me ask you, Donnie, and then I'll come back to my thoughts, but why do you think it is easier to see other people's sin um so sometimes we even we're even doing something worse, but it's so easy to just see theirs and judge it.
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You know what I mean?
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Oh, yeah.
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Well, I think it you know, we're human.
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You know, it's easy to judge somebody else, you know.
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You know, and it's hard, you know, Jesus says you be judged, it's you judge others.
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I mean, you know.
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I mean, you know, we we need to we need to be mindful of that.
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And and it is, you're right.
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It's so easy to, you know, it's kind of like it's hard to see well, you know, you can't see yourself unless you're looking in a mirror, right?
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But you can see everybody else.
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Yep, yep.
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So, you know, it's easy for us to see, and like with David, you know, David I mean, there's never there's not a greater man than David in the Bible.
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I mean, he he he you know, as a human being, I mean, David was the man.
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I mean, he he he you know, the story of Goliath and David, you know, he he you know, he he he is a epitome of of what a a a godly follower of God should be.
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But yet he's a human being and we all make mistakes, you know, and I think that's such an empowerful thing.
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But we have to forgive ourselves when we make a mistake.
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If you read further into this story through David's life, God won't joke him when he said that the soul would never leave his life.
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He has one tragic event after another involving his family after after this happened.
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And David dies a broken man in this story.
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And and and if you read it, like if you read the Psalms, he wrote the twenty-third Psalm.
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There's so many beautiful, powerful psalms.
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But there are a lot of songs of deep remorse, regret, and depression that David wrote, and I'm convinced it came from this event.
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I mean, you know, he you know, this thing that happened uh, you know, God forgive him, he forgave, but God forgives us.
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But those scars of what we do, the decisions we make, the things we're involved in, they're they're they're painful, they're real, they they you know, they don't they don't just go away, right?
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You know, and David I can't imagine what it was like for David when he stood there before Nathan.
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And and Nathan, let's take Nathan.
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Nathan is his accountability partner, right?
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And we need that.
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We we need as men and women, as Christian people, we need those accountability partners, those good friends.
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And Mark and I, you know, we have a a good friend group, and I'm, you know, and now Mark and Chad and I feel this bond growing between us.
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I feel like if one of us had a problem with something the other one was doing, or we felt, you know, hey, this isn't good for you, I think we could come to we could come together and talk about it.
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And that's powerful.
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And Nathan in this story, when he comes to David, you know, that's the last thing Nathan wanted to do.
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He did not want it, you know, he didn't want to do that.
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That's his friend.
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And he has to say, you're the man.
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I I just think to myself, let's take that relationship, Nathan and David.
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What do y'all think it was like that day when Nathan had to go deliver this message and David had to hear it?
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I yeah, I can't even imagine to put myself in Nathan's shoes.
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I mean, I'm sure his heart was broken as well.
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Nathan may not have known what was going on until God spoke to him.
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Right.
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And then he's got to go deliver the message.
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Yep.
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And I'm assuming that the story with the lambs came from God, not Nathan.
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That's right.
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Or it was interpreted as such, but it came from God, right?
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That's right.
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So obviously David admired and respected and trusted Nathan on probably m other occasions, and and so I'm sure it was with a tearful eye that Nathan delivered those messages.
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You know, it's while you were talking, Donnie, I wrote I like to take notes as Chad was saying earlier, and not only during the podcast, but in my my studying, and we were talking about judging other people and maybe uh trying to reduce our sin by looking at someone else's sin and going, well, you know, they're a whole lot worse than I.
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But I wrote down it's hard to judge and not be judgmental.
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Exactly.
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Wow, it's powerful.
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It's hard to judge and not be judgmental.
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I mean, where is that fine line?
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Is there a fine line done?
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And then we were talking about wounds, and we're talking about the healing of wounds, and you know, a wound when it happens, it's it hurts.
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It's deep.
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I don't know about you, but at my age, when I when I get wounded physically, the first thing I think about is how long is this gonna take for me to heal?
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At my age, because I don't heal as fast as I used to, right?
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But later on, after that wound has healed, and you know, it doesn't hurt anymore, but I rarely ever forget A, how it happened and and B how it looked and how it hurt.
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I rarely forget those three things.
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And even though the scar is still there and it doesn't hurt anymore, but it's a reminder, you know, of of the wound, and it's a reminder of possibly even a decision that caused that wound.
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So uh but those were the two things that I wrote down.
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But yeah, Nathan had a tough job.
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I mean, he had a tough what do you think, Chad?
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When he had to go to David and talk to him about what God had told him.
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He's uh Yeah, yeah when you have to lay it out all out on the line to your king.
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To a king, uh you've gotta you've gotta have some uh some courage for sure.
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Uh he lays everything out.
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I mean, David's adultery and his murder, his deception.
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I I can't imagine confronting somebody like that.
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Um the thing that really pops out to me about that is you we talked about how uh Mark, you said God was speaking through Nathan, and God told Nathan to do this.
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Nathan, this came from God ultimately.
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All of the all of the the ways to correct sin, all of the repentance, everything it comes from God, and God uses different people.
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It reminded me of when I was um when I was about 16 years old, I got in.
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I got in some trouble hanging out with the wrong people, some of my friends.
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And uh before the podcast started, a little backstory, I was talking to Donnie.
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Mark, you hadn't got on yet, and me and Donnie were talking, and Don Donnie said something to me.
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He said, Hey, Chad, I'm proud of you.
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And I told him, I said, That reminds me of my Peppa.
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My Peppa was a really big, important figure in that time of my life.
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He was still alive.
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He's passed on since, but he was he was still alive.
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He was probably the most important figure for me, father figure, um, someone who loved the Lord.
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And so he was the person in my mind that I respected the most.
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Also the person that if I didn't want to know I was doing something bad, it would be him.
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So anyway, I was I got in trouble and I was hanging out with some people.
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I did something really stupid, and I got in trouble with the police.
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And so the police, I'm a minor, and the police called my mom and said, Hey, you your son was doing this, he's in trouble.
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If you don't want us to take him to jail or wherever we're going to take him, you need to come get him.
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Pick him up right here.
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And so she got that call.
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Well, little to my to my shock, um, my mom shows up and my papa is with her, and my blood drained out of my face.
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I was so, oh my goodness, I cannot believe he is here.
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Had so much respect for him.
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And he sat me down and had this talk with me, and it really was, it reminds me of this story.
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It was that accountability, but it was someone, it came from someone that I did not, never would have anticipated it coming from.
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So I say all that to say God uses people, and sometimes he uses people to stop us in our tracks, and sometimes it's people we don't expect.
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In this story, I think I think the roles might have been switched.
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I think Nathan would have probably felt the blood draining out of his face.
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I can't believe I've I need to I have I've got to do this, though.
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I've got to do this, I've got the conviction, I'm gonna tell David.
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But I cannot imagine how he felt in that moment, thinking, I'm just gonna lay it all out on the line here.
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Um, but I think the thing I can learn from this is hidden sin, uh, the Bible says, be sure your sin will find you out.
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It's gonna find you out one way or the other.
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The Bible promises that hidden sin eventually comes to light.
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You may be able to hide it from your parents, your family, your church, your wife, your husband, uh, friends, definitely on social media.
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We definitely don't put air or dirt of the laundry out on social media, but you cannot hide it from God.
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And God is going to use somebody or something to stop you in your tracks.
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And honestly, we have to, I have to hope that God does because I don't want to see the consequences if I continue in my sin.
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I want to stop that sin.
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I want to get repentance.
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I want to say, Lord, forgive me for this.
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Please forgive me.
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Help me to stop and stop being stupid because I do not want those consequences.
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And I think that's one thing we can learn from this story.
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God's going to use somebody or something, and it's going to shock you, and it's going to stop you in your tracks.
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And whatever stays hidden, uh if as long as it's hidden, it just grows stronger.
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So I'm so thankful for those moments that I had an accountability partner like my papa or my mom, or I went to a Christian school and I had an amazing principal, and he would have these talks with me.
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But I'm so thankful because I I don't know about you guys, but I don't want to stay in some kind of hidden sin that's going to destroy me.
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I want it to stop.
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Well, that's a blessing, Chad, because you know, at at you know, here we are, 40s, 50s, and 60 something year old.
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And at my age, I I don't want to carry any more baggage.
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I don't want to carry sin.
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I don't want that weighing on my heart and and and in my mind.
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And and if we're able to connect with, as Donnie was saying in a in another episode, the youth, or young or old, regardless, but the younger the better.
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And get them in a place where they can can be saved and to let go, get let go of of whatever large or small is going on in their life.
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That's a blessing.
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I mean, you know, that's catching that's that's catching the caterpillar before it becomes a butterfly, you know.
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Um I I want that for in my heart for each and everybody that's listening to this podcast, young or old, but um but especially the young for sure.
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You know, to you know, to that point, uh you know, here again, you know, Chad, I'm really interested, you know, Mark and Chad, but you know, Chad, since you have teenage sons, you know, we talked about that a bit before.
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You know, they're living in this social media world where, you know, when when when Mark and I were younger, when we had a problem, we talked about this a bit on some of the other episodes.
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When we had a problem as a young man, right, you know, we had our parents, our aunts, or uncles, our coaches, our teachers, you know, other adults, men that we knew and and adult women that when we had a problem, or we need to learn how to do something.
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Or if we had a situation that we didn't know what to do, we had to go seek somebody out.
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Even in the business world, when I first went to the business world back in the 1980s, and I worked for several really large companies and they all had very extensive uh training programs.
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They they realized that if their businesses were gonna succeed, then that time uh economics and the economy was a more of a relationship business, and so you know, they had to invest in their people.
00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:23.279
You know, Mark was at Mark, you know, was an auto industry, and you know, if you were gonna if you were you're building loyalty with your customers, you needed quality people who could who could who could serve your customers, you know, to be successful, right?
00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:47.440
You know, Mark and I grew up in that era, you know, and today uh you know these younger people, and I'm not knocking them, I'm just saying this is just the way it is, you know, instead of talking to their peers or people a little older or people who really care about them and love them and want to see them succeed, you know, they're googling things, you know, for for the answer to how to how to handle relationships.
00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:53.839
And I I when I read this, you know, and I think about David and Nathan, you know, David's like I said, David's a king.
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He could just say, hey man, uh call the guards in here.
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Cut his head off, throw him in a ditch.
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I mean, you know, he he he has absolute power.
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He's been proven he'll kill Uriah.
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Right?
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I mean, you know, so Nathan has to it took tremendous courage for him to go do what he did.
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But don't you know they had to be tight.
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Don't you know him and Nathan before this ever happened?
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They are tight.
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David respects Nathan.
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I mean, David walks into the king's presence, right?
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He he ain't got you know, he said, Hey, I'm here to see David.
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And you know, everybody in there would have said, Okay, get David, because this is Nathan, and Nathan's his advisor, his confidant, his closest, one of his closest friends.
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David's gonna want to hear what Nathan has to say.
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And for young people to not have those relationships, I think as as older people, we should be seeking these younger people out.
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We should be trying to make connections every way possible.
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We should we should be telling them we're proud of them when they do something well, right?
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You know, we should be we should be trying to mentor these younger people.
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I don't think they realize what they're missing.
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Chad, what do you think about that?
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Have a you yourself are young, you know, you're quite a bit younger than than I am, you know, and you're uh you know, you you have teenage boys, and you know, my kids are in their thirties, I got grandkids, but how what do you say about that?
00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:30.720
How how could we reach these younger people?
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And I hope our podcast does that love that, hey, we you know we care about you.
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God loves you, He wants a relationship with you, and uh one of the greatest things in life is accountability and connection.
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How how how could we do that, Chad?
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What do you think how could we approach that as men?
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No, that's really good.
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In fact, um let me pull up my the the scripture we were just reading.
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I had uh something came to mind and I need to refresh myself on it, but I'm uh let's see, what is uh Chad, while you're while while you're doing that, can I interject something?
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Yeah, go ahead.
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I kind of liked the way that Nathan bringing all this about to David's attention didn't point blank accuse David of, you know, you did this, you did that, you did this, you did that, you did this.
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He put it into a story form.
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He put he he he brought it about in such a way that obviously the rich man taking the poor man's lamb was was wrong, but but but David reacted to that fiercely.
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Right.
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Fiercely.
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So I think I think you know, by the way that Nathan brought that about, yeah.
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He he wasn't point blank, you know, crucifying David for those things that he did, but he put it into a storyboard, story form that uh I think we talked about it being a light switch or opened David's eyes and it kind of totally centered him back to where he once was.
00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:21.599
Right.
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So the the verse that uh or the the uh chapter that I was thinking of is in 2 Samuel as well.
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It's 13, it's Jonadab.
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So you know Jon Jonadab, the horrible advice he gave.
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So this came to mind when you were talking about kids going and getting advice online from a million different resources who all contradict each other.
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Um, and just for everyone listening, you can go, and we we we may even go into this chapter sometime um uh or and talk more about it, but uh chapter 13 talks about the advice that Jonadab gave, and it in the end of the chapter it talks about how horrible the advice was, and um uh let's see here.
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No, my brother, she she cried, don't be foolish, don't do this to me.
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Such wicked things aren't done.
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So it it it leads up to a horrible um sexual attempt, sin in that.
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And anyway, it's horrible counsel.
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So go read chapter 13, you'll know what I'm talking about.
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I don't want to go dive too deeply into that story, but that is what a lot of this counsel is.
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Um, and there's no reality in it.
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The kids don't have to experience anything except just, oh, I need an answer to this question.
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And they're basically getting about any answer they want so they can pick and choose which answer is correct.
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So what what are we as sinful creatures, as sinful beings, as humans, what are we more likely to do if we say, hey, I want an answer to this very serious issue I have.
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Let me go to Google, let me type it in, and then we see the answers.
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What are we more likely gonna do?
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Pick the answer that is really hard, or pick the answer that says, Yeah, that sounds like it might be easier.
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We're gonna pick the easier answer, and I think that's what's happening a lot with these young people.
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It's it is being it's a modern day um Jonadab.
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It's a modern day horrible counsel for a lot of young people.
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We Donnie, you talked about going uh in the business world, you talked about seeking out wise uh counsel, advice from people who had experience, people that you knew, um, and that's not what's happening here.
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You don't know these people from Adam on the internet, you don't know these social media influencers from anybody.
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And not all advice is wisdom.
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And I think that is where we you have to draw a line.
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If you're a parent, it's very scary because you say our kids are going online and finding people because they have a lot of views, and that doesn't qualify them to anything in my book.
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I don't know, I don't know who these people are.
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Just because they have a a million views uh and they're popular, honestly, I don't trust them a little more because they're popular because of the culture we live in, if I'm being honest.
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And so when you have kids running to these people and watching influencers, and um, that's why they're called influencers, because they're really good at influencing.
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And I've had experience with my with my boys and having to teach hard lessons about um you know watch it watching a YouTube video and starting to listen to these people, and then besides just the the interest or the hobby that they're learning about, they start diving into religion or start diving into God and their thoughts, and then you're that enters your teenager's mind, and they say, Hey, hmm, this sounds a little different than what I've heard.
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Maybe I should start diving into this, and it's it sways you away from truth.
00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:13.599
So, Donnie, to answer your question, it's a really it's a really scary thing, and and we talked about that in the last episode about guarding.
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I I don't think I don't think the excuse of I want to give my kids as much privacy as they can have and they they uh they're their own person, they're independent.
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I think it's a horrible excuse, and I think it can lead now.
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Do I think you can be overbearing?
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Yeah, I think you can be overbearing.
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I think you can do it in a really harsh way, but I think guarding your heart, your home, and your children's heart is probably one of the most important things that you can do because because this this leads down a bad road almost all of the time when kids get on get on there and to try to try to figure life out by online.
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It's a dangerous thing, it's really hard.
00:36:56.480 --> 00:36:59.360
You know, I I'm curious to know what y'all what y'all think about this.
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You know, the you know, one of the Ten Commandments is thou shalt not covet, right?
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You know, David is on the roof and he's looking down on Bathsheba and he covets Uriah's wife.
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And that leads him into all this, right?
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This is like I said, Satan and the demons, man, they were they were right where they wanted to be when they got David into that position.
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There's nothing that Satan wanted more than to than to hurt David because he is the epitome of what God wanted a man to be at that point in his life, right?
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And and Satan's still active today.
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He he's out there, he's trying, he's he is he is conniving and scamming for the minds and souls of of all of us, and particularly the younger people, right, that you know, that that he can you know get his claws into.
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And I and when I think about this story and I think about you know the social media aspect and you know, people put pictures on there.
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You know, I I I don't do a whole lot on social media, but I you know, a lot of my friends and family do, and they, you know, they're they're watching what other people are doing and what they're posting and all, you know, whatever you call it.
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And it's very easy for them to think, well, gosh, look at them, look at their life.
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Their life is perfect.
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Well, all they see is a the one out of ten thousand pictures somebody took and stuck up there, you know, and and it's easy to lead them right down this wrong path.
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And I and I think you know, in talking what we're talking about today, here David was, he had everything.
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Like God said, if you'd if you'd have wanted something else, all you had to do is ask me for it.
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You know, if you if you'd if you'd have needed this or you'd have needed that, I gave you the kingdom, I gave you Judah, the kingdom of Judah, I I I I helped you reunite the kingdom of Judah and Israel.
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I you know, I saved you from Saul when he was hunting you down, trying to take you out.
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All you had to do was ask me.
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But you know, you you did this instead.
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And I and I think about I, you know, as a parent and now a grandparent, there ain't nothing I wouldn't do for my kids, right?
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Or my grandkids.
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I I love doing stuff for them.
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And I understand that they want to do things on their own and they need to go their own way and they need to be their own people, but wise godly counsel is such an incredibly valuable thing to have.
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And I think in our society, with this I call I'd call it the Google mentality or now the AI mentality, instead of coming to people who care about them and love them and want their very best for them, I think our society is influencing them to look away from that.
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I I don't think people are bad or kids are bad, or you know, I I think we're being deceived into something that is not as good for us as what's available.
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What do y'all think about that?
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We're all living in the same ever-changing world.
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What do you think, Mark, Chad?
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What do y'all think about it?
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Yeah, I think for me it just boils down to three things.
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It boils down to what you think, yeah.
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It boils down to how I feel, right?
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And it boils down to how I react or act.
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And you know, the way I think sometimes has been explained as it's a form of seed that's planted in the mind.
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Well, these seeds you're talking about, Donnie, with AI and with Google, and not that I'm bashing either one, but but again, there's seeds that are being planted, not just in our youth's minds, but everybody's minds.
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And if you plant a narrow negative thought, and it won't be long until it grows into fear.
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And you know, and we all know how we've reacted to fear in our lives, it's turmoil.
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It's a major challenge, right?
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Right.
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And so with our emotions, the you know, that's energy that we carry with us every day.
00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:06.880
And decisions are made sometimes based on fear.
00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:07.760
Oh, yeah.
00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:13.360
You know, um you lead by example, or you lead, or you motivate with fear.
00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:14.159
We've heard that.
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We've had bosses possibly in the past that motivated with fear, you know, you do this or else, or you're fired, or you're out of here.
00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:26.880
Well, that was really their problem, but it carried on over into the lives of other people.
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Right.
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:39.840
So I think when you train yourself to think you know more clearly and you feel more helpfully and you ra react more conscientiously, your inner world will become more stable.
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And when your inner world becomes stable, then your outer world becomes more clear, less blurry, less frightening.
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:53.840
People can can maybe better relate to you.
00:41:54.000 --> 00:42:04.400
I mean, I've even doing this podcast, I've had people that have come up to me and said, you know, I've really enjoyed the podcast and gotten a lot out of it.
00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:04.960
Yeah.
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And and that's a blessing, and it makes me feel like, you know, not only am I preaching God's word, but I'm also doing, you know, walking the walk and trying to talk the talk, or vice versa.
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I mean, doing what God's will is for me.
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And um so but I I think it boils down to how you think, how you feel, and how you react, and there's there's a lot of other self-help type information out there that can get you to those places.
00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:42.960
But ultimately, God wants us to be happy and healthy.
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He loves us, he wants nothing but the best for us.
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That's right.
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And he'll forgive us even when we do mess up.
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:52.719
Yep.
00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:55.360
Yeah, I agree.
00:42:55.519 --> 00:42:56.800
I agree a hundred percent.
00:42:56.960 --> 00:43:05.519
I think the the key is being around people who will challenge you.
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And I think that's hard because you are not um that doesn't happen by accident.
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You you might happen to have a relationship with somebody at some point, and that's a great relationship.
00:43:18.559 --> 00:43:19.119
That's good.
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But if you are being honest with yourself, you have to pursue um, you have to pursue being around other godly men so that you strengthen each other and you encourage each other and you edify each other.
00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:41.760
Um, and I think that's one reason that I love doing this podcast because this can be one of those tools and resources.
00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:51.119
If somebody says, I don't have anybody, well, come on, listen to this podcast, find other things like this, find a Bible study at church.
00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:58.800
Uh you but you have to you have to find accountability, and that doesn't happen by accident.
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You have to purposefully.
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Say, I want some accountability in my life, how am I going to get that?
00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:10.559
For me, this podcast and joining Donnie and Mark, that's one of the the keys for me.
00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:14.559
Like I I see this as my people around me.
00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:19.760
Um and we strengthen each other and we help each other and we encourage each other.
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And so if if you are a man, if you're a woman, if you're a teenager, you've got to find that accountability.
00:44:26.239 --> 00:44:28.480
And I that's one of the things we learned in the story.
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We talked about the accountability partner and how he told him, he told David, he said, This is what you're doing.
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And that's hard.
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That is hard to find a friend, honestly.
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I can count, and I'm sure you guys can probably say the same thing.
00:44:41.920 --> 00:44:49.119
It is, you only get a few of those in life who are such good friends that they're willing to tell you when you're wrong.
00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:58.639
They don't just sugarcoat it, they don't just say, Oh, it's okay, but they say, Listen, this isn't right, or you need to, you're not doing this right, and they're they're actually in accountability.
00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:08.400
So that for me, that is a huge um lesson in all in this podcast, last that last episode, this episode, and what we're just talking about.
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We've got to get around like-minded men.
00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:19.840
Um you call somebody, text somebody, grab breakfast, but find somebody who can keep you accountable and something that can keep you accountable.
00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:31.519
And another thing is we were talking about just a second ago, the whole social media aspect, the whole Google aspect, and then you guys went into what we're talking about now.
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:38.480
Um we've got to step up as men, and we've talked about this before on the podcast.
00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:55.519
We've got to step up as men, and as we get older and we become and we see ourselves more as a leader to whether it's you're you're leading a church group, you're leading your children, you're leading your family, whatever whoever you're leading, you've got to see yourself more as a mentor.
00:45:55.679 --> 00:46:06.239
And instead of just saying, Look, look at what I'm doing, try to model this, you find opportunities to mentor somebody because it goes both ways.
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For me, I want people in my life that are doing that to me, but I also know that God has put me here for a reason.
00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:22.079
And if I see somebody out there struggling, or like on this podcast, if we have somebody that messages us and say, hey, I'm struggling in this, we need to be mentors to them.
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:28.559
We need to actionably take time and offer them advice and say, How can I help you?
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:30.480
How can I put my arms around you?
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How can I hold you up?
00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:48.320
Um, because if we if we don't disciple people, and I'm talking to every person that is listening to my voice right now, if you don't use what God's given you and disciple someone, there is going to be somebody out there that will disciple them, and they might not be put there by God.
00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:54.159
They might be put there by the internet or by Google or by some enemy of God.
00:46:54.320 --> 00:47:08.000
And so, culture for sure, this culture, if you don't believe that we are we are in a in a time where the devil is fighting tooth and nail, this culture will absolutely train your children for you if you don't train them.
00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:16.239
This culture will absolutely train a middle-aged man who's going through problems in a second, how to ruin his life.
00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:21.280
This culture will absolutely train a retiree who doesn't know how to spend his time.
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It will.
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And so we've got to wrap our arms around each other.
00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:29.679
And uh that's that's encouragement for you out there and encouragement for me too.
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I I get a lot out of this, and I'm I'm hoping that our listeners uh are jotting this stuff down, and hopefully they're getting this out, they're getting the same stuff out, and they're gonna reach their arms around somebody and they're gonna l reach out for help if they need an accountability partner.
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So this is good.
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James 4, 17.
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I think I mentioned it in another podcast.
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I mean, it's it's you know this came to me today.
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Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it to him is a sin.
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So if I see somebody hurting, or if I see somebody that needs help and and I recognize that and I don't assist, then I've let God down.
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I've let myself down, I've let God down, I've let the person down that that could possibly use the help.
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That's that's my verse for today.
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And it's a heavy verse.
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It's not that many words, but it's like if you know how to do good and you don't do it, then that's a sin in God's eyes.
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That's good.
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Because he you think about how how long have you gone thinking that well, sin is when I'm doing something bad and I purposefully go do something bad.
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No, no, no.
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It's when you know that you could do better or you could do something good and you don't do that.
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That's a sin.
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Yeah.
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That's good.
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Yeah.
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And if David, if David is subject to sin, right.
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But God forgave him, he loved him anyway.
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You know, all throughout the New Testament is we're really getting you know, about to go into that, you know, and read, you know, about the angel appearing to Mary, and you know, all these different amazing things that are gonna happen over and over again.
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Jesus is referred to as the son of David.
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The son of David, right?
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So God didn't give up on him.
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And we shouldn't give up on ourselves when we make mistakes, and we shouldn't judge nobody.
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We shouldn't judge nobody.
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Absolutely.
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Well, we're gonna we ended last episode with um something I've never done before, but I started talking about it and I thought about it as as Donnie was reading scripture this time.
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We talked about these questions that you can write down, and Mark said, Hey, I I'm doing it.
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And then I said, I'm doing it.
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Donnie, he's he's jotting stuff down.
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We're we're doing it, we're we're wanting to grow.
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So these personal uh personal application questions, how can you apply this stuff to your life?
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I want you to think through this episode and think, what did I learn?
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Uh Mark just mentioned uh an a great scripture uh for him that knows to do good and doeth it not, to him, it is sin.
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Write the scriptures down, these little things that convict you, or even if they don't convict you, and you say, you know what?
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That's good.
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That's something I could use.
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Write it down.
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So ask yourselves now at the end of the episode, before the episode goes up, goes off, did I do that today?
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Uh is there uh is there a hidden sin in my life?
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We talked about that last time.
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Is there something I need to bring to light?
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Uh Mark and Donnie both mentioned, is there something that I know that I could be doing or somebody I know I could be helping?
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Write their name down, pray for them, reach out to them.
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Uh, are you surrounding yourself with wise voices?
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Are you surrounding yourself with accountability partners?
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Well, no, I'm not really.
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Start doing that.
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This stuff is life-changing.
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This comes right out of the Bible.
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This is scripture.
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This is God's word.
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It is life-changing stuff.
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Um, is there a pain or a bitterness because of something you have in your past?
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Donnie and Mark both talked about people's past and how they carry, they carry weight from things.
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And we talked about seeds, good seeds, bad seeds.
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Think through all this stuff, write it down, and let's apply it to our lives together as we grow on this podcast.
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This is going to be an amazing journey.
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I'm so excited about the things that we are going to have coming up.
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Um, and listen, we are not trying we are not out here trying to uh become celebrities or get famous or uh do anything with money.
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What we're trying to do is help you.
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So if we are if we are not helping you, then we're not doing what God's called us to do.
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So we want this to help you.
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So if you need to reach out to us, reach out to us.
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If you need to write things down, write things down.
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And as we grow, Donnie, Mark, we've all talked about putting some resources on our website, free resources.
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People can go and they can download things.
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Maybe we'll have some devotionals, maybe we'll have uh some scripture studies, but we're gonna start adding stuff to our website.
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And we're gonna put in the work.
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We want you to benefit and your life to benefit, and your spiritual life and your walk with Christ to benefit.
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So please take advantage of that.
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Uh guys, do you have anything else to add?
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Well, I just want to add that one of our speakers, Donnie Prince, has written 10 or 12 books, so we certainly ought to be able to put those references on the site and for those that want access to that.
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I've read them and uh they're awesome.
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Well, thank you.
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Yeah, I appreciate that.
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I hope they'll help people.
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Like Chad was saying, you know, we're we're thankful to be here, and we just want to do what we can to help others grow in their faith.
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Amen.
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Amen.
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So we will we will add this stuff, and as soon as we do, you will hear it in episode, and you can go to the website.
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And if you don't, we we record these episodes well in advance.
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So if if you check at check it back at the website every few weeks, and we'll have some changes and updates and we'll add some things.
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But we want to encourage you and we love all of you, and we pray for you.
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And uh with that, I think Donnie, you want to pray us out?
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Sure, that'd be fun.
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Dear Lord, we thank you so much for the opportunity to be here and to be a part of this.
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And Lord, I thank you for marking Chad and you know just being able to be a part of this podcast, and I pray that as we read your word and discuss it, that it will be an encouragement to others to do the same, and that and that they may grow in their faith and come to know you and your son Jesus Christ in a more intimate and personal way.
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And we ask these things in Jesus' name.
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Amen.
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