Tokenomics (#94)

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It's not like the content doesn't exist.
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It exists.
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And it's within Microsoft's realm of content.
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It's their content.
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It shouldn't be hard to to make that accessible through here.
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Because there it is in the release planner.
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So what the Yeah, you're right.
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I could have beta done a better job at this in an evening.
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Come on.
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And so, no, this it's good idea for execution done.
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This, you could have done better, Microsoft.
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I'm disappointed, and this doesn't cut it at all.
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Done.
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Hello everyone, and welcome to the Power Platform Boost Podcast, your timely source of PowerPlatform news and updates with your hosts, Nick Dolman and Ulrike Ackerbeck.
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So I just hit record.
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Usually we do a test recording.
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So if the audio's a bit off, it's all my fault.
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How are you, Nick?
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It'll be fine there.
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He'll be fine.
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I'm good.
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And then we have to edit it so that there's burning flames just like in the meme.
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It's fine.
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Keep calm, Karen.
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Exactly.
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It's fine.
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Yeah.
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We match.
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Look.
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Let's do cheers.
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Cheers.
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Ding ding.
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So the funny the funny part is because obviously I'm not at home right now in my in my home place.
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And usually, so I'm at this, we're at this Airbnb uh short version.
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My daughter's going to university in Halifax.
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We moved her all in out of the house.
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So that's a whole other weird thing for me going through.
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But usually I go to this coffee shop around the corner, which was great.
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So every morning I've been going there getting coffee, getting to and if anybody's ever been to Halifax or you're from Halifax, you know it's such a friendly town.
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Everybody's so friendly.
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You know, they're asking you where you're from and everything like that.
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So it's great.
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So this morning I'm like, okay, I'm gonna go get a coffee at my you know, my my new coffee shop around the corner.
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And it's also a public holiday candidate.
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They're closed today.
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So it's like crap, where are we gonna get my coffee?
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So thankfully I do it, I had a Red Bull in the fridge.
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So this this will work for now until I find a coffee later.
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So if I'm a little bit a little bit off off today, that's part of it.
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No, I'm sure it will be fine.
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Uh like the rest, you know, we'll be fine.
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It's all good.
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Me too.
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So it's uh mid-afternoon for me.
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So at two o'clock, I don't know about you, but usually two o'clock for me is like the I just need an an afternoon coffee to kind of pick me up.
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And this is this is what this is for me.
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So we're gonna be all over the place in a few minutes.
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Just let this sit uh and brew for a little bit.
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All right, so uh perfect.
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You have been off, uh of course, driving cross country with uh your kids.
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Can can we still call our kid?
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A Michelle stuff.
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And then I've been busy on my end, uh also with my kids, so it's kind of been a big kids' week for both of us, meaning that the list of things to talk about aren't isn't that big.
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But there is a huge announcement announcement that is on everyone's lips and has been for the last few weeks.
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And that is the new AI work roadmap.
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Because around this time of year, usually what we'll do is our most popular episode is usually the release waves, uh, where we go through all the news and updates and that are coming for the next six months.
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But we can do this this year because they don't exist anymore.
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So instead of does that mean does that mean does that mean we're done?
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Like every the power platform is now perfect.
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Does it need any more improvements?
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It's uh do you have anything on yeah?
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Is there anything you would change?
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I mean, because I because for mine like, yeah, it's it's perfect.
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I mean, what more is there to do?
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You know, exactly.
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Like something works, licensing fix it.
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Yeah, licensing is perfect, solutions are perfect, connections, connection references, that all works.
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Yeah.
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You know, if you do it right, it does.
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Power apps is perfect.
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Yeah.
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I could argue with all of these things.
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So like if you know what you're doing and you're doing it right, it works.
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So, I mean, we have ALM, we have governance, we have security, we have user management, we have everything.
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What more is there to do?
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So, of course, when something works, what does Microsoft do?
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They change it! Woo-hoo! Yeah, exactly that.
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So it's gonna change, the name's gonna change.
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So this is where it is, probably.
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We'll see.
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But the biggest change now, at least, is that they're merging, so they're gonna stop with that two times a year.
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Is it called biannual when it's two times a year?
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No.
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I think so, yeah.
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Biennual.
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Yeah, by me making of new English words, but uh so biannual uh release waves are not gonna happen anymore.
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Uh and it's gonna be a continuous kind of release, uh releasing stuff whenever there's news.
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And it's not just a power platform, it's dynamics 35 platform and dataverse join the AI at work roadmap, which also then is Microsoft 365, Copilist Studio, co-pilot everything.
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So the way I look at it is like Foundry IQ, that's all Azure.
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Found fabric is like Power BI fabric, data analytics, that type of thing.
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Work IQ, that's now power platform, dynamics, uh, MarkSoft 365 Teams, all of that jazz, that's work IQ.
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So it's now becoming very clear that it's those three legs, if you want, or areas, it's what's going on.
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For me at least, that's how I see it.
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Yeah, and it's all it's all intertwined, right?
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So it's no longer a case of everything living in its silos.
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It's everything like Copilot Studio is obviously very much tied into the power platform, but it also tied into work IQ and 365 Scout.
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As soon as there's a new model released or you know, new functionality in GitHub Copilot, those types of things.
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Like it's all related, so it all makes sense that it's all going to be in one kind of central roadmap because these things sort of affect each other.
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There's still be their own, I guess, unique products or features or product lines kind of thing.
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And you're still going to pick and choose the certain things that work best for your solution.
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And again, this is where we as solution architects are still going to thrive.
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We still need to understand these pieces and components and how they best can work together to build an overall business solution.
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But at least, you know, we have this centralized spot.
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So that's that's the I like I like the concept.
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It totally makes sense.
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However, we both checked out the as it stands today, this being still early September, and they saying that PowerPlatform and Dataverse will join the AI at work roadmap.
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So I think they're still stuck on the bus somewhere, because if we take a look at the website, it's it's still a little clunky.
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There's still a lot of things seem to be missing.
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And just trying to find things is a little difficult at this point.
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That's this has been my impression.
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You had some you had some thoughts on this as well.
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Right.
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So while we were talking, I was looking, right?
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So I can only find Power Automate and Culpa Studios things in there.
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And it does give you a few of those, which is okay, I guess.
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Uh, but power apps and power pages, it's not even in the filter, which kind of just a little bit disturbing.
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So, and also the website, like you said, I have opinions because of course we have the release planner.
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We've had that for a while.
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It's the experience that something something, aka slash something, something.
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It gives you kind of a dashboard type experience.
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You have your filters on your left, you can see the things, you can flip between, you can create your list, you can keep things under moderation.
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That's fine.
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There's no fuss.
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You have a focused view of the release planner, but now you have to scroll through.
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What's new?
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What's coming?
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What's this?
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What's that?
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Let me sell you, let me sell you, let me sell you, let's see you.
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And then you get into this little space so you can easily scroll up and down and you can kind of get lost and it's a bit moving around and it's huge.
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Takes up the whole screen, it's like unnecessarily big.
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So you don't get the overview, you don't get the experience that we were kind of thinking that we would would be a good idea, right?
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It doesn't feel like an app, it feels like a list on a website type of message center, right?
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That's what it reminds me of.
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And message center to me, it's busy and there's no way to see.
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Also, what I'm what I was disappointed about is classic user UI, you weight things differently based on their importance.
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But here, it's as in the message center, a huge announcement.
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We've moved everything around, is just as big as the there's a new field type in data.
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It's so it's weighted the same, it gets the same amount of real estate, it's the same amount of uh cognitive attention, which isn't really good UI in my book.
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So it's really hard to see what's big, what's small.
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And release waves were kind of the same way.
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If you looked at the different, because we always commented on this, right?
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You look at Power Automate, you could see that there's different people that have been writing up the different products, right?
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Because they will level differently.
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So you'd have one release wave or power automate.
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It was huge, or and and then the other way around, right?
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So kumbaya, it's gonna be okay.
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Yeah, and then these things are always gonna evolve, right?
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Like they're gonna change.
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And this is the fee, again, we're we're providing feedback, other people will have it.
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There is an MCP server as well for the ribb the release, uh, for the release waves.
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It's called the Microsoft Release Communications MCP server.
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So if you don't like, or if you want to be able to filter things, you just build your own dashboard and connect it through this MCP server, which again, it's like, well, I shouldn't have to do that.
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You know what I mean?
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But if you wanted to, you you do have this, you do have this uh, you know, ability there to do that.
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And it's also, I think this not only for release plans, but also for the other things that we miss in the message center, like if something is down or broken, like exchange was this past week, that's a whole other thing.
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Uh those types of things.
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Yeah, so while we were talking, I set my coding agent up with the new MCP server and I said, create me Power Platform release wave agent with this MCP server.
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Uh and it and it came back, went.
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So good news and bad news.
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I was able to create the agent and connect an MCP server.
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Everything's all good and well.
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But when I do a title search across the whole PowerPlatform, I get two hits for PowerOps, six hits for Power Automate, two hits for Dataverse, 14 hits for Power BI, and thir 26 hits for Copet Studio, while Power Pages returns none.
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And I went, right, okay, so this shows is the it sure you can get the, but it doesn't have the content.
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So and we know Power Pages the summer comma.
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It's just the news are just it the announcements are just through the roof.
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And so what's going on?
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So great idea, poor execution.
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Yeah.
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Well, yeah.
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But it's also let's let's throw, let's get something out there at a very this, I would say this is a very beta beta beta version for 0.001.
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Is it really?
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It's being announced like the big thing, the the one listen, no, no, I'm not you're not gonna I'm gonna throw them under the bus here.
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Listen, we've had this for a long time.
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If they planned this right, it would be so easy for them to connect this, because it's AI generated anyways, right?
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To connect it to the right sources, the content is here.
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It's not like the content doesn't exist, it exists.
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And it's within Microsoft's realm of content, it's their content.
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It shouldn't be hard to make that accessible through here because there it is in the release planner.
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So what the Yeah, you're right.
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I could have better done a better job at this in an evening.
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Come on.
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And so, no, this good idea per execution done.
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This you could have done better, Microsoft.
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I'm disappointed, and this isn't cut it at all.
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Done.
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Done.
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So now there's other things on the list of things.
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Or did you have something else you wanted to talk about before we move on?
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No, let's move on.
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Okay, let's move on before I get cancelled.
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And this is my MVP badge.
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Yeah.
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So we I saw something from Hoodang this week that I wanted to highlight, which is a very sweet and niche list of things he wish he knew before.
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More power platform hacks that I wish I knew before.
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And it's a very cute, handwritten, probably Eric created list of things that we all should know.
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And that is very useful.
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And just reading through the list, I was having a little bit of ups and downs.
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It was a little bit of I've done that.
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Oh yes, I agree.
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I wish I knew that.
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I didn't know that.
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And I think it's something all of us should kind of read through.
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So how was it to read through the list for you?
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Did you have the same experience?
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Yeah, no, absolutely.
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And I mean, he's uh he's been knocking out of these parts.
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Like I like, I like, I mean, you've heard me rant about the infographics where people just take a thousand things and try to jam it, and it's I mean, it's just too much information.
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This, I like bullet points, I like it simple.
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He's got certain things highlighted in there, and I agree, anybody who's diving into the power platform needs to at least read through this.
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If you don't kind of understand some of these concepts, like maybe you don't know what a logic app is, but at least now it's in your at least your mental list of things to look into, and you kind of go in and it also from someone learning, you'll start asking questions kind of like, oh, well, why do we need to be concerned about environment routing?
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Why is this important?
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And then this also helps you learn a little bit more.
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But absolutely, some of these things, of course, didn't exist when high started, but I mean, so many things, a lot of it is common sense, but common sense isn't common practice, and sometimes you don't you don't know what you don't know.
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So I think this is a great list to kind of anybody that's starting out, or even someone that's been doing it for 20-something years should read through this and make sure that, oh yeah, this is what how I'm doing it, or like, oh, but hmm, why do we need to do this?
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And some of it is a little bit of like there is some opinions and there is some where experience will kick in.
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Like he talks about reaching for plugins and PCFs last, not first.
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I would I would probably argue that point that in certain situations you can tell by the complexity that no, this is going to require a plugin.
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Let's not waste our time trying to design a flow around it.
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But again, that comes with experience, but overall it's a great list.
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And uh, Hoodang, again, your content is just top-notch as always.
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So good work.
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Good work.
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And then I saw you put a link in here from Emma Darcy.
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Yeah.
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So this is, and I kind of threw in another little link below.
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I think the you know how we were talking about harness was the word a few weeks ago.
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This is a new word I've seen, I've seen pop up, not in Emma's uh not in her blog post per se, but it kind of covers a concept of calling tokenomic tokenomics.
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And I first saw this word because Lisa Crosby, our friend, is presenting something with her company and it has um, you know, AI and tokenomics.
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And I'm like, oh, that because you hear that word, and of course, everybody's talking about the fact that as of September 1st, if you're building in the new co-pilot studio harness, it's going to consume credits, even if you're developing that kind of thing.
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And of course, it's uh everybody's always talking about okay, what's the best way to maximize our use of tokens and how much credits do we have?
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And so this whole new concept of tokenomics is now part of our part of our vocabulary when we're beginning to design solutions.
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It's not only do we have to worry about resources and what tools and licensing, but also how much co-pilot credits is this going to consume, how much capacity is it worthwhile?
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So now people are putting the brakes on a little bit, going, ooh, maybe this should be an automation and not definitely throwing everything at AI, which is a good thing.
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But around that is because it's pulling credits from different environments and things.
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And Darcy, she she actually did a great little blog article about the new environmental group rules to manage those cost controls and co-pilot credits, and goes through and basically talks about the issue that's starting as of September 1st, goes through the process of where you can go into the Power Platform and Mint Center and begin to manage that so you're not pulling credits from different environments and unnecessarily burning from your capacity and putting some more guardrails and stuff like that.
00:17:12.559 --> 00:17:17.759
So, again, this is something that this is adding a new layer of things for Mins to do.
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Again, AI is supposed to save us work, it's giving us more work in other ways.
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But it's a great little article.
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You know, I love the fact she does screenshots, she bullets it out step by step.
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So if you're in a position where you are concerned about people burning through credits and things, and you want to manage that, definitely check out her article, go through those steps, make sure your environment is configured to make sure that you're using the best, using your co-pilot capacity in the best possible way and practicing good tokenomics.
00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:50.640
Yeah, I love this blog post.
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It's just uh it feels like an old school blog post that you know from from back in the day when you and I made blog posts where you have the uh screenshot with the one, two, three and the highlight and the little comments and and of course it helps with the sopranos just at the beginning.
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It's just this feels handwritten.
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I and I love it.
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So come on in, keep it up, keep keep hitting us with these old school blog posts.
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Yes, yes, yes, just like that.
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Just like that.
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Perfect.
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Awesome.
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And then you also put a link in here to a git integration connecting to GitHub for platform, a learn article.
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Yes.
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So this was exciting, and this is something we've been asking for a while.
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So, of course, there is Git integration that's built into the Power Platform, and it's still a work in progress.
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Let's just put it out there.
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But there it was able to, as it existed before, it was able to load solutions only into the Azure DevOps as source control.
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And I have a whole bunch of I have a whole bunch of content that I'm working on, session presentations about again.
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We're stuck a lot of people are always stuck into this fact of they're using a Dataverse environment as their source of truth, as their source control, where it should be in a proper source control system.
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This they've announced this this is something that I've been pestering the product team for a while because I've been had clients asking for it.
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Is I see the emails.
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Yeah.
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It's fantastic.
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It's uh it's to be able to put this in GitHub, GitHub as a source control, because this is what the majority of the world uses, let's be honest.
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And so finally, this is it is in preview still, but basically now we can use GitHub as a source control.
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So you can set up a private repository and be able to upload your solutions into that.
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Um, I still think it's missing if you I haven't tried it, but I think by the looks of it, read the documentation, it's still missing a few things.
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But it is something that I think, in my opinion, I think people, even if you're a maker, you need to get more in line with source control because a lot of these agenc tools that are people are beginning to use for code apps, for the new mobile apps, uh power pages and things like that.
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Yeah, it's great.
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You can create, you can use agentic tools and create these solutions.
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You'll upload them into the environment, but guess what?
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You can't download, you can't download that code.
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It's actually being uploaded, and there's no place for like a code app, for example.
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You want to make changes to that code app, you'll still need to go back to your source code.
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You can't download that, you can't just move an environment and download it later like you can with you know traditional point-and-click power apps.
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So, of course, and then if you're making changes like branching, you know, rollbacks, pull requests, all of these things, I think we have to start getting this more and more into our in our maker world, into our vocabulary, because as we're beginning to use these agentic tools, guess what?
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AI makes mistakes sometimes, and you're gonna want to roll back these changes.
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I know I'm as shocked as you are.
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So this is again a great step in the right, right direction.
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Um we're getting better ALM built into the power platform.
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I know there's other initiatives and things like that going on.
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So this is something, again, like six or seven years ago, there was nothing we were using.
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Well, there was nothing.
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There were solutions.
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And to get that in the source control, we were downloading, we're unpacking, we're using PowerShell commands.
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There was some community tools, uh some great community tools around this.
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But again, I like to see that Microsoft still is focusing on the ALM story, releasing new things.
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Although this one took a while.
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Like I heard this is supposed to be last February, it's August now.
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So, anyways, no judgment.
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But or if you're gonna go down that route.
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It is really cold.
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Yeah, it's gonna take you a while.
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Yeah.
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But we got it now, so let's be great for the I'm I'm very I'm very curious to check it out and see how it uh how it all how it all works.
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And uh, I'll report back here hopefully in a few weeks, or you'll see some content coming out for me on this.
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Yeah.
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Sounds good.
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And as we move forward with ALM.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But of course it's a complex story, right?
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Because Azure DevOps has been the go-to for most of the project projects that I've been in, because if we have DevOps for tasks and kind of work items, we use the wiki for documentation.
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We use the pipelines for removing downstream environments.
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And then of course we use the scripts for for downloading to source control.
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We use repos and DevOps for that.
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So in my world, this hasn't been a big lacking until now, until I started using code agents and I'm connected to GitHub.
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And I've started to git.
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A very close friend of mine taught me how to git.
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We went walking throughout a city and we've spent hours and hours and years just talking me through the different kind of mental models around GitHub that I didn't get.
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And now I get Git.
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Huh.
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You get Git.
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Good for you.
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But it but Yeah, but it it it takes a while for it to kind of maybe that's just me, maybe I'm just slow.
00:22:57.119 --> 00:23:04.000
But it isn't it it it's like if you ever work with content types in SharePoint, it's kind of the same thing.
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It takes a while for your brain to wrap it round itself around which direction things are going in, but then suddenly once you have the mental model in place, it's like now I get it.
00:23:12.880 --> 00:23:14.480
Uh and I felt the same way about get.
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So of course now this is huge and it's right on time, I would say, for me in my work stream.
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This is now perfect.
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So and then uh I think the last list uh thing on the list is something I don't understand anything about.
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And this is where, because lately, because I'm all over the place and all over the map, it's kind of become your job to put things in here and explain them to me.
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And I can't wait for you, because it's very rare that I read a link and don't understand a single thing.
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Project HydroFusion Frontier Quality via multi-model orchestration.
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What?
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What is this?
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So so this this kind of came up, and this, I mean, this this is one of these more generic, not necessarily it's it obviously if you're building things using agentic uh agentic tools, you there's always this case of you're picking, you pick the model, right?
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It's like, oh, I'm gonna use sonnet or I'm gonna use opus, even if I've been clawed.
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And then the thing is, there's always this okay, which model should we pick for what?
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And then it does give, you know, sonnet's good for most everyday tasks and opus, and of course, Fable is for the the big heavy duty jobs, whatever.
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But sometimes you're sort of like, yeah, I need to get a campfire started.
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I'm just gonna dump a pile of gas on it, kind of situation.
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So you'll pick these these higher models.
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But of course, as you get building with these agents and start doing multi-agent development, then it's a case of, ooh, certain models will work good for others and others will work better.
00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:52.720
But is this another thing that we have to do we have to learn?
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Do we have to know the okay, I need to pick GPT 5.6 for this particular thing, whereas I should be using Claude Opus V for this other thing, or how's this all gonna work?
00:25:04.720 --> 00:25:13.200
Now, there's always well, always for the last year or so in GitHub Copilot, while we're using the agentic tools, there is this auto mode.
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And that auto mode you kind of kicks in for the task at hand.
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So basically it will pick based on what you're doing, sort of the best model.
00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:34.079
So this is the new, I think the next evolution of this, where it's not only just particularly what you're lurking working on, but the whole orchestration around it.
00:25:34.079 --> 00:25:57.279
So if you're building a solution where you're using multi-agents, this whole concept of hydrofusion will actually know, will begin to my understanding anyway, and I could be a little bit off, but this is how I understand it so far, it will pick the model itself for the particular agent or the particular task, or maybe even what the particular stage in the task is.
00:25:57.279 --> 00:26:04.000
So if a particular task has like 10 steps, it says, okay, these first five things are relatively easy.
00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:07.359
Let's just use Sonnet because it's gonna use less tokens.
00:26:07.359 --> 00:26:11.119
Ooh, this number seven, we have to do something really complex.
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So let's actually use a higher level model for this.
00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:17.759
Yes, it's gonna burn more tokens, but you'll get a better result.
00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:19.440
So you don't have to keep reiterating.
00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:31.519
So it's basically almost like a throttle in terms of my understanding, an automatic throttle that works more kind of in a broad sense than just a straight up auto for a particular task.
00:26:31.519 --> 00:26:37.279
It's it's basically frontier quality via multi-model orchestration.
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So selective coding workflows matched or exceeded evaluated baselines.
00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:53.599
So it really is all about going at the end of the day, it's going back to the tokenomics because if these tokens didn't cost us anything, well, of course, use the highest level model for everything you do.
00:26:53.599 --> 00:27:08.400
But because we want to be more efficient in our token usage, then tools like HydroSense or Hydro, sorry, Hydro Fusion will help us, you know, be able to kind of manage that a lot more effectively.
00:27:09.279 --> 00:27:09.599
Right.
00:27:09.599 --> 00:27:12.079
And so just opening up the sorry?
00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:12.720
No, no.
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Yeah.
00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:13.920
It's a tap.
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I think it's it's a it's an automatic tap.
00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:16.559
Yeah, yeah.
00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:25.279
Uh just opening up the the the article that you uh put a link to in the show notes uh with, and it says it's now available as a research preview.
00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:33.680
So for GitHub copelet plans, for all plans, through the the dash experimental in your copelet CLI, you can start using it.
00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:48.720
So you can kind of there's a few CLI commands that you can run to kind of update and uh put experimental on, and then select the model higher fusion research preview, and it will start to automatically switch between the different models for you.
00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:50.480
So this is this is so cool.
00:27:50.480 --> 00:27:52.720
And this is something we've been talking about in the office.
00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:59.359
I think, you know, if I your last few weeks, all of the coffee side chats has been about this.
00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:03.119
Because of course, we're pressure as a consultancy, we're pressured from all angles.
00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:07.759
Our internal IT saying, who's gonna pay this huge bill?
00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:09.359
Why do you use so many credits?
00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:10.799
What the f are you doing?
00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:14.079
And then the customers are going, why aren't you using AI for everything?
00:28:14.079 --> 00:28:15.200
Did you handcraft this?
00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:15.519
What the?
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And then we go, Well, pay for our credits.
00:28:17.839 --> 00:28:21.359
They're like, no, no, we want cheaper time weights because you're using AI.
00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:22.319
And we're like, oh, okay.
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:27.519
So we're kind of squished in the middle where everyone is kind of hitting us with all this.
00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:36.400
And of course, this is what preoccupies us when we uh chat among ourselves with the coffee coffee machine that you know what is this gonna, how do you optimize?
00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:40.160
And also, you get because I I opened up uh Chat DPT this morning.
00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:43.680
It's like meet new chat DPT, meet new a new model.
00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:44.400
What's it called?
00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:48.799
It also has these amazing names, and it's like this is good for this, and this is good for that.
00:28:48.799 --> 00:29:12.400
It's like wow, it's a freaking full-time job now to keep chat track of all the names and the numbers and the uh and also where they come from and where their data sources, their data centers are, and where you send the data and what the customer policy says and what your company policy says, and then it's yeah, it's so if if we have now a service that can do that for us, awesome.
00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:13.440
Hi Molly.
00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:17.599
Let me go experimental on Hydra something, something for the win.
00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:18.400
Whoop, whoop.
00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:20.640
Yep, awesome.
00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:22.000
Yep, perfect.
00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:25.279
So it's a uh there's another uh tokenomics link in here.
00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:27.759
Was that the Lisa Crosby thing that you mentioned already?
00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:28.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:29:28.559 --> 00:29:29.200
That's what I mentioned.
00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:34.960
And that was more of a it was it, it wasn't something like, yeah, she is doing a webinar or something or a a session.
00:29:34.960 --> 00:29:39.279
And I mean, yeah, that's cool too, but it was more the word tokenomics.
00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:43.200
That's what jumped out at me as and I've begun to see this in other places.
00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:50.720
So yeah, that's it just sort of one of these, like I said, the word of the week of a word that three weeks ago I'd never heard of before.
00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:52.160
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:54.720
So then I think we know what the episode title is gonna be.
00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:55.279
It's perfect.
00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:57.519
Yes, that makes it easy, right?
00:29:58.160 --> 00:29:59.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:29:59.119 --> 00:29:59.920
All right.
00:29:59.920 --> 00:30:11.039
Then of course, you are heading off because you're heading home, and then you're heading out because you're doing powerlifting, and then you're doing another trip over here for power platform.
00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:12.240
Yeah.
00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:12.960
Yes.
00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:15.599
So yeah, uh yeah.
00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:21.279
Hellish hellish summit in Finland, Nordic, Baltic, Scottish, Irish.
00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:22.720
Was there something else in there?
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:23.119
Nope.
00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:25.119
That's pretty much that's pretty much the tour.
00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:29.119
Summit at the back of all these Yes.
00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:31.599
That's where you're doing the summits trip.
00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:38.640
Speaking of summits, Canadian Power Platform and Co-Pilot Summit, that's sort of our working title right now.
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:41.519
Call for submissions is now open.
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:47.759
We are do have a bit of a tight window because we want to make sure we have all the sessions selected by the end of October.
00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:56.000
But if you're interested in speaking in Vancouver in the middle of March, put in your sessions now around power platform and copilot.
00:30:56.000 --> 00:31:02.240
Um, we are beginning to we want to expand because again, we're recognizing that everything is being more intertwined.
00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:10.960
Right now, our venue is a little bit up in the air, so that's why we're we may seem a little bit disorganized, but it's it will all come together, I'm sure.
00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:21.279
So, but basically, but anyways, uh, but yeah, so I just want to make sure that everybody's aware of that because there's nothing worse than sort of the day.
00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:26.640
Oh, I didn't know the call for like you get these emails, I didn't know the call for submissions was on, like I totally missed it.
00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:28.160
Like, can you like let me in?
00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:31.039
Like, uh if I let you in, I'm gonna let everybody else in.
00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:32.960
So you know what they are?
00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:34.480
They are volunteers.
00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:35.680
That's what they are.
00:31:35.680 --> 00:31:40.000
Always push them over to the volunteer group, and Matt will be super happy.
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:45.839
But also, it's a very small window, and it's the weekend now before or after MVP Summit.
00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:48.640
Usually you kinda stick to the area around.
00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:50.640
It it's gonna be before.
00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:58.559
I think that's what we're gonna do going forward because after you know how it is after MVP MVP Summit, everybody's brain is draining out of their ears.
00:31:58.559 --> 00:32:05.920
And we also want to make sure no one slips any NDA stuff that we may or may not have heard at MVP Summit.
00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:09.440
So the weekend before, at least we're we're protected from that.
00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:15.440
And I think the way the timing works out this year, if we do it the weekend after, we're gonna be hitting St.
00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:19.519
Patrick's Day weekend in Vancouver, which is also very popular in Canada.
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:24.559
So just finding venues for dinners and things like that in hotels could be pretty problematic.
00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:28.640
So yeah, the week the weekend before, and you don't have to be an MVP.
00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:31.359
Like anybody who wants to speak, we're totally open.
00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:57.920
I I re always recommend for ours, because we do have limited spots, is to team up with a friend or team up with a mentor, or if you want to mentor somebody, take someone along that should be out beginning to get their feet wet speaking and bring them along and do a joint session, and you'll be uh yeah, it's it's always it's as you and I, you we and you and I have done sessions before, it's always a blast, like kind of riffing off each other and tag teaming and everything like that.
00:32:57.920 --> 00:32:58.640
It's really cool.
00:32:58.799 --> 00:32:59.279
Yeah.
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Find someone that you vibe with and do something that you're both interested in.
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It's uh, you know, just a hundred percent success every time, and it's so much fun for the audience as well to see two people kind of riffing off each other, like you said.
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It's best is the best thing in the world.
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So I love that kind of energy, and it's so much fun to do that with you.
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So we need to zoom up again sometime because it's been a while since we've done that.
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So yeah, we need to chat about that.
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Yeah, I have a yeah, so there's a few more things happening next year that have already begun to put sessions in.
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Um I think Tallinn is one that I've already put a couple in, and I know the deadline's that in a few days.
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Yeah.
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And then Ignite as well.
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Now Ignite's always a really tough cookie to crack because it's so competitive.
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So but again, you know what I say.
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Like I don't plan on going, but then again, here I go.
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So hitting the submit button, getting ideas.
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Yeah.
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I'm you know, if you had said to me that hit me over the head with something heavy every time you do something you're not gonna do, then you wouldn't be very smart.
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No, no.
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So, but that's okay.
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All right, this was great, and I am super excited to see where this is going.
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Uh yeah.
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And I hope everyone has a great week and we'll catch up.
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Yeah, our next our next episode is September 23rd.
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So we might have to record that at potentially at uh Nordic Summit.
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:22.960
Nordic Nordic Summit, yeah.
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We do one of our Nordic Summit special.
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Yeah, Legoland.
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Woohoo! Woohoo! All right.
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Until then, have a good uh few weeks.
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All right, see you guys.
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Bye bye.
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