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Pet Life Radio. This is Pet Life Radio.
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Let's talk pets.
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It's OBE with Arden Moore, the show that teaches you
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how to have harmony in the household with your pets.
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Join Arden as she travels coast to coast to help
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millions better understand why cats and dogs do what they do.
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Get the latest scoop on famous faces, their perfectly pampered pets,
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and who's walking who in Renton, Tinseltown. From famous pet
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experts and best-selling authors to television and movie stars, you'll
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get the latest buzz from wagging tongues and tails. corner
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great pet tips, and have a doggone fur-flying fun time.
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So get ready for the paws and applause as we
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unleash your OBE host, America's pet edutainer, Arden Moore.
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Hey, pet pals. Welcome to the OBE show on PetLife Radio.
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I'm your host, Arden Moore. Our special guest today is
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going to dive into pet wellness. What's out there? What's
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the trends? We're talking about hydration gadgets, doggy treadmills, cooling mats,
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and a lot more. Now, what is definitely worth it?
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And what is just plain old hype? Fortunately, our guest
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today is a leading veterinary sports medicine and rehabilitation specialist.
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Can I say that any faster? Boy, that's a mouthful.
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She is the founder of Strut Animal Mobility. So please,
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at this time, give paws and applause to Dr. Kelly Fishman. Welcome, welcome, Dr. Kelly.
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Hi, Arden.
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Boy, that's a mouthful. That's a long title after your name.
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For something that's kind of simple. I'm just a dog,
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you know, I'm a dog body shop.
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The dog body shop? I like that. Well, you do
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have a lot of alphabet soup after your name. You know,
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you went to vet school, but then you kept going.
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Tell us about that.
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Yeah, so I specialize in dog physical therapy. which is
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a dog PT. And I also do acupuncture and gentle
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chiropractic and dog fitness. So helping dogs after surgery, like
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Kona after her knee surgery, helping senior dogs that are
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slowing down because they're old and arthritic and they're weak.
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So I help them build muscle and mobility. And then
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other areas of my field and our field as rehab
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and sports medicine doctors are is working with dogs that
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do sports. So agility dogs, fly ball dogs, hunting dogs,
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and then even dogs that are working, meaning that they're
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search and rescue dogs and then police dogs as well.
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Wow. We're going to dive into all of that after
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we take this quick break. So you all know the drill. Sit, stay.
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We'll be right back.
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Time for a pause. Four furry ones actually sit and stay.
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Let's Talk Pets on PetLifeRadio.com All Behave is back with
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more tail-wagging ways to achieve harmony in the household with
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your pets. Now back to your fetching host, America's pet edutainer,
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Arden Moore.
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Welcome back to the Old Behave Show on PetLife Radio.
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I'm your host, Arden Moore. I am honored and delighted
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to have on our show Dr. Kelly Fishman. She knows
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how to help bring out the best in our pets,
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whether they're working dogs, whether they like to be a
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jock dog, whether they're getting older and uh-oh happens. And
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she did drop the K word, Kona. For those that
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follow our show, you know that pet safety dog Kona
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is my beloved terrier mix. She is 11 years old,
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and she's a certified therapy dog, but her superpower is
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she helps me teach vet-approved pet first aid, and she
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always does it with a grin. And on May 12th,
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she had a lot of, what do you call it,
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a gitch to her hitch, Dr.
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Kelly?
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She started lifting up in early May her back right leg,
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and she's in good shape. She's not a tubby dog
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or anything like that. And the x-rays confirmed her. The
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letters I never want to hear, T-P-L-O. What the heck
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is that, Dr. Kelly?
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Yeah, so, and that's classic. A dog will suddenly be
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toe-touching is what I see especially. And I see it
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and it can happen, you know, the most common breeds
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that we know. There's a genetic influence on actually being
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more at risk are labs and rottweilers and in goldens
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now little kona doesn't kind of fit that mold because
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typically terriers are a little bit less at risk for
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getting the cruciate tear darn it I know, bad luck.
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And also the interesting thing about Kona is that most
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dogs are getting these types of injuries a little bit younger.
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So she got it as a senior being 11 years old.
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So unfortunately, that makes her recovery a little bit tougher
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in terms of her rehab, because we have to push
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her a little bit harder to build muscle, just like
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we would have to push a senior citizen harder. who's
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losing muscle as they age on top of losing the
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muscle because of the injury. But yeah, man. TPLO is
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what we do to stabilize the knee after a dog's
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ACL or cruciate ligament tears. And that's the best way
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that we can do that. And then afterwards, I'm so
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happy because I saw those great videos of Kona and
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her underwater treadmill. You are an amazing pet parent because
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what you did to make sure that Kona recovered faster
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and is less painful and stronger and get back to
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doing her job faster is that you did rehab. in
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addition to that surgery. So yes, I am really happy
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to hear that.
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And I have to tell you, Kona's always been at
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a good weight. We play fetch, we walk her, we
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do a lot of exercise. But for the last 10 weeks,
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it has been a life changer. For those of you
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that have a dog that blows their knee, basically, we
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have an expert here on our show, Dr. Kelly Fishman.
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But we did everything we were told to do with
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her diet. She was on a leash. She doesn't crate train.
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She freaks out and crates. So it was a long
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10 weeks, but I am so glad I went to
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the Dallas Veterinary Specialty Center and I did do the,
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it was four weeks of rehab when they did all
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the x-rays and all that. And Kona isn't a water dog.
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So Dr. Kelly, what is it about that water dog
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treadmill because the vet tech that's in charge of the rehab,
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her name is Julia. Kona would come see her and
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have the biggest smile on her face. And I didn't
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think she would be a treadmill girl, but she is.
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What is that all about?
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Well, sometimes I smear a big wad of peanut butter
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on it. So I basically make it into a giant
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treat dispenser. But, you know, I think what it is,
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we have a lot of pet parents who are wary
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of a treadmill because they have a husky or they
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have a shepherd and they have a dog that isn't
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like a Labrador and they're not a natural water dog.
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So they're worried about the treadmill. But it's a really
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wonderful way to build muscle and to actually help heal
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the knee. So we know that we have to build
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muscle as soon as possible because immediately after they have
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a TPLO, that muscle starts to, I don't want to
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say disintegrate, but it starts to really not, basically, it's
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not being built up as fast.
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As it should.
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And And if any person out there has had their
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own knee surgery, they know this.
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Yeah, Kona and I are basically twins. We both have
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fake right knees.
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Yeah, it's so funny how that happens. But you are
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losing muscle immediately after. And even sometimes with the best
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tools that we have to build muscle, like the underwater treadmill,
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like exercises, like muscle supplements, like the fortitropin, things that
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we know build muscle after the TPLO surgery. I still
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could never get a dog to have exactly perfect equal
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muscle mass and circumference. between both knees, which, you know,
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is something that we work on as rehab doctors. But
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that's part of why, even if a dog might be
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a little bit wary of the underwater treadmill, we really
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do ask them and try to get them to go
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into it.
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Is the water warm or what's it like?
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It is warm.
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You're a dog right now with a bum knee. What
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are you thinking and what's going on when you're doing
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the walking with your crate? You know, they got you
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tethered nicely and all that.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So, you know, part of it is, is that they're
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in water that's weak, certain specific temperature ranges that are
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designed to kind of heal the body and to like
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make the muscles work most efficiently. So that underwater treadmill.
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is specifically at a certain type of temperature. That's a
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therapeutic water temperature.
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And then your behavior, I know we have a behavior background.
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So as rehab veterinarians, we're always working closely with people
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who have behavior backgrounds because a lot of it is
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training the dogs. Because I have to train underwater treadmills.
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Great.
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But guess what? I'm sure you went home with home exercises.
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Oh, we did.
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Yeah, because you know that rehab is expensive. It's hard
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to get to. It's one of those things that may
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not be available to everybody. So maybe not everyone can
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do an underwater treadmill, but what everyone can. can do
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that has knee surgery in dogs is they can do
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home exercises every other day to build strength in the
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hamstring muscles.
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What's a couple good examples? Because I'll share a story,
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a Kona story after you do that.
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Sure.
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And I have a lot of good videos of me
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showing these on my social media at Strut Animal.
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Let's say it's slower because we want people to follow you.
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All right.
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Strut Animal right here. Happy dog struts, right? They don't
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Limp and gimp or have a hitch in their step,
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they stretch.
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Stretch. I like that.
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So, you know, three that I would think of. Dog squats.
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So the dog does a squat. It's really good to
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build power in the back legs. Dog side steps, where
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they build strength in their gluteals and hamstring muscles that
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are on the sides of the legs. Those are two
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ones that actually have been shown to help build. And
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then the other thing that I like that is a
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little bit unconventional, but it's something that I found actually
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when I was at Colorado State University, something they love
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to do, which is to have a dog roll an
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exercise peanut, which I have videos on my social media.
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But it does require an investment in a dog exercise peanut.
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So that could be pricey.
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Wait a minute. What is an exercise peanut?
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So an exercise peanut, if you could imagine, is a big, long,
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inflatable ball. The dog puts their front paws up on
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it and they roll it like a little circus dog.
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And what that does is that builds core muscle that
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builds back leg muscle. And yeah, so that's the three
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exercises that I like to do that I give every
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pet parent.
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They also asked me to have a lineup in the
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yard after about six weeks, seven weeks. They wanted me
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to have her do figure eights. And so I was
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going to set up a bunch of planters in my yard.
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And then I realized I can look at Kona and
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I can widen my gate. And I can say, Kona, weave.
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And Kona does a figure eight through my very short legs.
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That's great.
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So the vet rehab lady was like, did you do
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the cones? I said, no, but Kona wants to show
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you what she did do. So what do you think
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about a figure eight weave?
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I love it. And you know, my pet parents have
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been the ones to come up with all these great
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exercises that I never think of. That I steal all
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the time. But actually, I give credit. I named the
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exercise after the dog. So I have one called Doggy
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Ninja Warrior named after a French bulldog named Ninja who
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had a back injury. And it's for walking over a
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bunch of different obstacles. equipment. So it's not like a
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human ninja warrior exercise. It's a doggy ninja warrior. So yes,
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those are great things to do too.
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I can tell that you kind of dig what you do.
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So what made you get to this field? I mean,
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were you going to be a pizza delivery person or
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start AI? I mean, what was going on when you
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were younger that said, not only do I want to
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become a veterinarian, but I want to do this?
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Yeah.
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You know, I don't know. I think I wanted to
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be a baker when I was young. Okay.
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All right.
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All right.
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And I still bake a lot. I bake my dog treats. But,
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you know, I really love working with my hands. And
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I love to feel a dog, feel a tense muscle,
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work on that muscle with my hands to relieve tension,
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relieve trigger points. Look at my dog, who at first
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was looking at me like I was killing him because
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I was pressing on a really sore spot. Or like,
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you know... Yeah, he's like, what are you doing? And
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then he feels me release it, or I do a
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little bit of acupuncture, dry needling, or I do some laser,
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or I do a gentle chiropractic move. I use my
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tools that are non-pharmaceutical pain management tools.
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Say that again, because this is very important. Go ahead.
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You do what?
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Non-pharmaceutical pain management. So I use... pain medication to really
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take down some of the pain that a dog has.
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And we have to use that. But then as they're
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on the pain meds, like the doggy end says, we
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are doing exercises. We are doing acupuncture, massage, laser. everything
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that we're doing to also relieve pain without using the medication.
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And then guess what? We take away that doggy Advil.
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We get rid of it. We don't have to be
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on it. I do not want dogs to be on
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pain meds for the rest of their life unless they
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absolutely need it. But what they can do is do
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a lot of other things. And at home, one of
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the things I teach my pet parents is heat, ice,
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and massage. So you yourself are providing relief to your
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dog at home. So those are things that I love
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to do. And the dog responds or the cat responds immediately.
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And they love coming into the rehab space. When they
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see me, they think treats. That's a treat lady. And
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that's the lady that's going to do fun, roll peanut
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with me, all these exercises. And I make them feel better.
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Pet with a purpose, right? We're speaking with Dr. Kelly Fishman.
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She is an amazing veterinarian that specializes in physical rehab
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and more. We're going to dive in a little bit
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deeper after we take this break, so you know the drill. Sit, stay.
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Hi, I'm Dean Koontz, and you're listening to OBE with
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Arden Moore on PetLife Radio.
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We're back from the lot. Just checked the paper, and
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that is. Now back to OBE.
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Here's Arden.
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Welcome back to the Old Behave Show on PetLife Radio.
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I'm your host, Arden Moore. I love this lady. Her
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name is Dr. Kelly Fishman. After the show, please go
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to struttanimal.com. She's got everything on Instagram, Facebook, LinkedIn. You
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got it. Check her out because she has great videos,
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great advice. And what really drew me to having you
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on our show, Dr. Kelly, is that you really want
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to separate the real deal from the hype. So there's
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so many things out there for people to consider to
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help their dog or cat recover. I don't need you
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to name a product, but can you help us separate
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fact from hype? What's something that's like, oh, please don't
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do that.
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Yeah.
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So two of the ones that I've recently heard that
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I think are hype is peptides. So injecting your dog
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with peptide or doing an NADH supplement. Now, unfortunately, there
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is absolutely no evidence in dogs or cats that those
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do anything to build muscle or increase mobility and strength.
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And then I say, listen, there are things that we
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know that have been studied in dogs and cats, meaning
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that that particular supplement has been proven to build muscle
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after TPLO or in senior dogs, and that's that fortitropin
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found in Mayo's Pet. which I'm so proud to talk
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about all the time because we have studies and there's
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nothing else out there.
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There's the difference. I used to be an investigative reporter
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for something called Daily Newspapers. And an editor taught me,
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if your mother tells you she loves you, check it out. Yeah.
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It sounds like you're using that same mental thought process
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when you're talking about things. There's so many choices. You
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go to Global Pet Expo or something, there's booths of
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supplements and everything. So you're saying you need to make
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sure there is like an independent study. What's some other criteria?
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So what it is, is everything. independent study in a
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dog and a cat so when a parent looks at
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the website and they look for evidence and then it
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says well in lab rats or in you know in
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a petri dish it like grew up you know things
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like that okay did and then the other thing that
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they'll do that's tricky is they'll be like well this
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has been studied by some other person and And we
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know that the ingredient does something. But our particular product,
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we have not decided to spend any time or any money.
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We've spent it instead on marketing, but we've spent no
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time and no money to actually prove that what we
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have in our container is doing what it says it does.
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And it is what it says it is. So again,
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that's why I like things like the Myos Pet. because
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they have taken the time to study and make sure
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it's not toxic and it works in dogs and cats.
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So that's the difference. And, you know, there are other
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things like that. It's just the first thing that comes
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to mind because it's building muscle after a TPLO and
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in a senior dog. That's what pet parrots can take home.
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Well, and also your reputation's on the line, right? You
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went to school and, you know, you're still probably paying
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your college loans off and, you know, your reputation means everything.
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So that's why I also wanted you on because you
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do separate fact from hype. What about cooling mats? What's
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the good and bad? We're in a hot, hot time
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right now, the summer, doesn't matter where you live. But
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dogs don't cool down like we do. They don't have
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skin pores all over their body. So can you give
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us a lowdown on that?
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Yeah, Arden, you're right. They have to pant and panting.
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And the other thing that they do is they open
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up the blood vessels like out there behind their paws
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and on their skin. Like it's a really bad way
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to cool down.
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Yeah, I guess they have pores in their nose, too.
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I think that's what I've been told.
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Yeah. So you're an expert in CPR and an emergency
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and preparedness. But so, you know, so I think cooling
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mats are wonderful for kind of like providing like a
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little bit of AC and comfort, but not actually good
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enough to cool down a dog that truly has heat stroke.
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So if your dog is very hot, that's a different
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way to cool them down. You need to cool them
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down by, you know, submerging them in water or getting
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them into AC or putting.
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A fan on them.
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But I like cooling mats to keep them cool, but
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not to actually cool them down.
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Can I ask you this? Because it's always bothered me.
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I really don't think cooling bandanas and cooling jackets do
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anything for dogs because they don't have skin pores there.
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Can you please? Because you've got a lot of cred
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behind you.
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Yeah, I do a lot of research on, you know,
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I always try to be ahead of the game and
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do the most a lot of research on how to
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cool dogs down because I do exercise dogs. So if
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you are exercising dogs outside and maybe I'm dealing with
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a French bulldog or an overweight dog or a senior dog.
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A lot of my dogs just had surgery. So they're
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more at risk than your average young, healthy dog that
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is a Labrador sort of dog. So I do a
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lot of research into this sort of thing too, and
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it is something I like. So the swamp vests and
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those cooling vests, I haven't heard or seen the evidence
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to really make them worth it. And truly what you
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need to do instead is to just get your dog wet,
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put some air on your dog, sorry, air on your dog,
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so it's airflow. And then I'm not sure if you
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ever heard of the head dunk. which you can.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So that's a great way.
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Well, tell people about that so they understand.
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Yeah. So this is just real cool. You basically have
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a gallon of tap water. It's not even like ice
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water or anything like that.
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Oh, don't do ice. Ice, ice, not nice, baby.
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No ice.
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That's what I tell my first dates. Never ice. Right.
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Exactly. So the dog will dunk their face into the
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gallon of water and they actually will cool their core
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body temperature within a few seconds and minutes.
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So.
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That's a really good way. But the thing is, you're
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going to have to teach pet parents to this when
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you do this at your class because you cannot expect
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a dog that's panting and overheated and is stressed out
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to dunk its head. So you're going to have to
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spend time as a puppy or at another time to
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teach your dog over the course of a couple weeks
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maybe to to do trust you and how to do
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the head dunk. So when you do have that type
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of emergency, you can use it. And University of Pennsylvania,
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the working dog program, Dr. Otto is the one who
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pioneered this method. And UPenn has really good videos out
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there for pet parents. educational techniques for free on YouTube
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that if anyone's interested, they could check out.
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Yeah, just gradual introductions make it rewarding and all that. Yeah,
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thank you for doing it because if you give ice
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to a dog that's overheated, they could go into shock.
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And so, you know, in our classes, we have a saying, ice, ice,
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not nice, baby, with apologies to vanilla ice. All right,
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we're moving on. I know that it isn't cheap to
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go to a veterinary rehab specialist. But you also offer
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a lot of things at home. You talked about the
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dog squats, the sidesteps, the rolls and all that. So
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what's the bottom line for people? They can be a
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partner in the recovery for their dog, right?
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Yeah, absolutely. And I wish there was a way that
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we could, as veterinarians, make some kind of generic dog
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rehab protocol for how to rehab your dog at home.
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But it's a little bit tough because a lot of
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it's dependent on how strong your dog is, how swollen
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they are after surgery. Do they have any arthritis going on?
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Is there anything on with their other legs? So it's
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really tough to make a cookie cutter dog exercise program
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that you could just follow online. Unfortunately, maybe in the
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future we'll have that. But what pet parents can do,
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like I said, is maybe just get one consultation with
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a physical rehabilitation doctor. You do not have to commit
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to doing months of rehab two or three times a week.
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You could just say, can you just please get a
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baseline assessment of my dog and give me a really,
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really good home program that I will follow for the
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next three months as my dog recovers with the goals
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of building strength in the back legs, You know, keeping
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your dog's weight down because we know that you have
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got to stay skinny. You did a great job with Kona.
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Keeping her lean, but staying lean for the rest of
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her life is going to be very, very important to
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prevent arthritis that's happening later on. You know, and just
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keep her strong because we know... strong dogs you know
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they have more supported joints they have less injury they
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have less inflammation which is pretty interesting so there's a
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lot of benefits to keeping your dog strong and unfortunately
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just doing walks and just doing the dog park is
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not enough for a dog that just had the surgery
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you have to do things that are targeted strength exercises.
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I knew she was better, Dr. Kelly Fishman, when she
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had an itch. And so she lifted her left back
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leg to scratch her itch on her belly because it
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was her right leg that had the new hardware. So
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she put her weight, full weight on that back right.
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And she was smiling. So I think that's a good thing.
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What's a parting message you'd like to give? And we
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got to also let people know again, how to track you, Dr.
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Kelly Fishman.
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So I think fitness is medicine. And I think that
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that is, you know, really good because it is going
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to keep your dog skinny, which is one of the
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things that has actually been proven to increase your dog's longevity,
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the length of their life, keeping them skinny and not
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like a, like not emaciated, but just lean, like nice
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and trim. It's going to save you money because you're
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going to feed your dog less.
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Yeah.
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And then also your dog's going to be less predisposed
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to certain conditions or like arthritis and other potential metabolic issues.
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because they don't have obesity. And it's something that we
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can control. We feed our dogs. We are controlling how
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much they eat. And then also knowing, and as a
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behavior person, you know this, a lot of times they'd
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rather just have our love. They'd rather go out with
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us and play.
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Calorie-free love.
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Yeah, they'd rather have love treats and exercise, bonding time,
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than having a couple extra pieces of kibble or a treat.
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I like that. Now, I don't know if you followed us,
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but we've been starting this thing at the end for
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all our guests. We asked you this one question. Here
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it comes. Oh, gosh. If you could, what would be
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a pet superpower you wish you had and why?
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Like a superpower that pets have that I want?
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Yeah. What's something a dog or a cat can do
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you wish you could do and why?
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Well, my cat is somehow lord of the manor.
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Shout out to Nelson.
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Nelson has gotten two human servants that feed him and
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he doesn't have a job. He's never had a job.
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He's unemployed.
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He's unemployed and has servants. So like dogs always have jobs.
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But I like Nelson's superpower of somehow like convincing us
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to constantly feed him and walk him outside. And he's
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just Lord of the Manor. I'd like to be that.
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All right. We hope to have you back. You're great.
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You have a lot more to share with us. I
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hope you had a good time today, Dr.
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Kelly. I had a great time and I would actually
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love to come back.
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All right. So at this time, I want to do
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a shout out to my producer, Mark Winter. He is
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the executive producer of Pet Life Radio. We are the
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largest radio network for pets on the planet. And Humbly
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O Behave is the longest running weekly pet podcast. We've
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been on the air since 07. Don't tell me how
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old you were back then, Kelly. It will hurt my feelings.
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I'm just teasing.
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Also, as she mentioned, my superpower is I love to
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help save lives. Working with ER and critical care veterinarians,
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please check out Pet First Aid, the number four, the
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letter U. I'm a master instructor, and I do it
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not by myself. I've got the busiest safety cat on
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the planet, Casey, an orange tabby, and a couple of
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well-trained dogs, Kona and Nova Six Toes. So you take
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our class in person, online, interactive Zoom, and they're there.
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So until next time, this is your flea-free host, Arden Moore,
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delivering just two words to all you two-, three-, and
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four-leggers out there. OBEHAVE!
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Coast to coast and around the world, it's All Behave
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with Arden Moore. Find out why cats and dogs do
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the things they do. And get the latest buzz from
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wagging tongues and tails in Rin Tin, Tinseltown. From famous
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pet experts and best-selling authors to television and movie stars,
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you'll get great tail-wagging pet tips and have a fur-flying
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fun time. All Behave with America's pet edutainer, Arden Moore.
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Every week on demand. Only on PetLifeRadio.com.
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Pet Life Radio. This is Pet Life Radio.
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Let's talk pets.
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It's OBE with Arden Moore, the show that teaches you
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how to have harmony in the household with your pets.
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Join Arden as she travels coast to coast to help
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millions better understand why cats and dogs do what they do.
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Get the latest scoop on famous faces, their perfectly pampered pets,
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and who's walking who in Renton, Tinseltown. From famous pet
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experts and best-selling authors to television and movie stars, you'll
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get the latest buzz from wagging tongues and tails. corner
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great pet tips, and have a doggone fur-flying fun time.
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So get ready for the paws and applause as we
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unleash your OBE host, America's pet edutainer, Arden Moore.
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Hey, pet pals. Welcome to the OBE show on PetLife Radio.
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I'm your host, Arden Moore. Our special guest today is
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going to dive into pet wellness. What's out there? What's
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the trends? We're talking about hydration gadgets, doggy treadmills, cooling mats,
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and a lot more. Now, what is definitely worth it?
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And what is just plain old hype? Fortunately, our guest
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today is a leading veterinary sports medicine and rehabilitation specialist.
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Can I say that any faster? Boy, that's a mouthful.
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She is the founder of Strut Animal Mobility. So please,
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at this time, give paws and applause to Dr. Kelly Fishman. Welcome, welcome, Dr. Kelly.
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Hi, Arden.
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Boy, that's a mouthful. That's a long title after your name.
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For something that's kind of simple. I'm just a dog,
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you know, I'm a dog body shop.
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The dog body shop? I like that. Well, you do
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have a lot of alphabet soup after your name. You know,
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you went to vet school, but then you kept going.
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Tell us about that.
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Yeah, so I specialize in dog physical therapy. which is
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a dog PT. And I also do acupuncture and gentle
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chiropractic and dog fitness. So helping dogs after surgery, like
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Kona after her knee surgery, helping senior dogs that are
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slowing down because they're old and arthritic and they're weak.
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So I help them build muscle and mobility. And then
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other areas of my field and our field as rehab
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and sports medicine doctors are is working with dogs that
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do sports. So agility dogs, fly ball dogs, hunting dogs,
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and then even dogs that are working, meaning that they're
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search and rescue dogs and then police dogs as well.
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Wow. We're going to dive into all of that after
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we take this quick break. So you all know the drill. Sit, stay.
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We'll be right back.
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Time for a pause. Four furry ones actually sit and stay.
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Let's Talk Pets on PetLifeRadio.com All Behave is back with
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more tail-wagging ways to achieve harmony in the household with
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your pets. Now back to your fetching host, America's pet edutainer,
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Arden Moore.
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Welcome back to the Old Behave Show on PetLife Radio.
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I'm your host, Arden Moore. I am honored and delighted
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to have on our show Dr. Kelly Fishman. She knows
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how to help bring out the best in our pets,
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whether they're working dogs, whether they like to be a
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jock dog, whether they're getting older and uh-oh happens. And
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she did drop the K word, Kona. For those that
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follow our show, you know that pet safety dog Kona
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is my beloved terrier mix. She is 11 years old,
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and she's a certified therapy dog, but her superpower is
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she helps me teach vet-approved pet first aid, and she
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always does it with a grin. And on May 12th,
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she had a lot of, what do you call it,
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a gitch to her hitch, Dr.
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and she's in good shape. She's not a tubby dog
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or anything like that. And the x-rays confirmed her. The
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letters I never want to hear, T-P-L-O. What the heck
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is that, Dr. Kelly?
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toe-touching is what I see especially. And I see it
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and it can happen, you know, the most common breeds
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that we know. There's a genetic influence on actually being
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more at risk are labs and rottweilers and in goldens
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typically terriers are a little bit less at risk for
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getting the cruciate tear darn it I know, bad luck.
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dogs are getting these types of injuries a little bit younger.
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in terms of her rehab, because we have to push
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her a little bit harder to build muscle, just like
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we would have to push a senior citizen harder. who's
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losing muscle as they age on top of losing the
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muscle because of the injury. But yeah, man. TPLO is
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what we do to stabilize the knee after a dog's
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ACL or cruciate ligament tears. And that's the best way
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that we can do that. And then afterwards, I'm so
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happy because I saw those great videos of Kona and
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her underwater treadmill. You are an amazing pet parent because
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what you did to make sure that Kona recovered faster
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and is less painful and stronger and get back to
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doing her job faster is that you did rehab. in
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addition to that surgery. So yes, I am really happy
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to hear that.
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a good weight. We play fetch, we walk her, we
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do a lot of exercise. But for the last 10 weeks,
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it has been a life changer. For those of you
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that have a dog that blows their knee, basically, we
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have an expert here on our show, Dr. Kelly Fishman.
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But we did everything we were told to do with
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her diet. She was on a leash. She doesn't crate train.
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10 weeks, but I am so glad I went to
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the Dallas Veterinary Specialty Center and I did do the,
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it was four weeks of rehab when they did all
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the x-rays and all that. And Kona isn't a water dog.
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So Dr. Kelly, what is it about that water dog
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treadmill because the vet tech that's in charge of the rehab,
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her name is Julia. Kona would come see her and
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have the biggest smile on her face. And I didn't
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think she would be a treadmill girl, but she is.
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on it. So I basically make it into a giant
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treat dispenser. But, you know, I think what it is,
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we have a lot of pet parents who are wary
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of a treadmill because they have a husky or they
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have a shepherd and they have a dog that isn't
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like a Labrador and they're not a natural water dog.
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So they're worried about the treadmill. But it's a really
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wonderful way to build muscle and to actually help heal
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the knee. So we know that we have to build
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muscle as soon as possible because immediately after they have
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a TPLO, that muscle starts to, I don't want to
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say disintegrate, but it starts to really not, basically, it's
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not being built up as fast.
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As it should.
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And And if any person out there has had their
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own knee surgery, they know this.
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Yeah, Kona and I are basically twins. We both have
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fake right knees.
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Yeah, it's so funny how that happens. But you are
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losing muscle immediately after. And even sometimes with the best
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tools that we have to build muscle, like the underwater treadmill,
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like exercises, like muscle supplements, like the fortitropin, things that
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we know build muscle after the TPLO surgery. I still
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could never get a dog to have exactly perfect equal
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muscle mass and circumference. between both knees, which, you know,
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is something that we work on as rehab doctors. But
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that's part of why, even if a dog might be
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a little bit wary of the underwater treadmill, we really
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do ask them and try to get them to go
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into it.
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Is the water warm or what's it like?
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It is warm.
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You're a dog right now with a bum knee. What
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are you thinking and what's going on when you're doing
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the walking with your crate? You know, they got you
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tethered nicely and all that.
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in water that's weak, certain specific temperature ranges that are
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designed to kind of heal the body and to like
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make the muscles work most efficiently. So that underwater treadmill.
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is specifically at a certain type of temperature. That's a
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therapeutic water temperature.
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And then your behavior, I know we have a behavior background.
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who have behavior backgrounds because a lot of it is
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training the dogs. Because I have to train underwater treadmills.
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Great.
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But guess what? I'm sure you went home with home exercises.
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Oh, we did.
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to get to. It's one of those things that may
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not be available to everybody. So maybe not everyone can
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do an underwater treadmill, but what everyone can. can do
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that has knee surgery in dogs is they can do
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home exercises every other day to build strength in the
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hamstring muscles.
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What's a couple good examples? Because I'll share a story,
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a Kona story after you do that.
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And I have a lot of good videos of me
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showing these on my social media at Strut Animal.
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Let's say it's slower because we want people to follow you.
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Strut Animal right here. Happy dog struts, right? They don't
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Limp and gimp or have a hitch in their step,
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they stretch.
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Stretch. I like that.
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So, you know, three that I would think of. Dog squats.
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So the dog does a squat. It's really good to
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build power in the back legs. Dog side steps, where
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they build strength in their gluteals and hamstring muscles that
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are on the sides of the legs. Those are two
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ones that actually have been shown to help build. And
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then the other thing that I like that is a
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little bit unconventional, but it's something that I found actually
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when I was at Colorado State University, something they love
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to do, which is to have a dog roll an
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exercise peanut, which I have videos on my social media.
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But it does require an investment in a dog exercise peanut.
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So that could be pricey.
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Wait a minute. What is an exercise peanut?
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So an exercise peanut, if you could imagine, is a big, long,
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inflatable ball. The dog puts their front paws up on
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it and they roll it like a little circus dog.
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And what that does is that builds core muscle that
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builds back leg muscle. And yeah, so that's the three
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exercises that I like to do that I give every
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pet parent.
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They also asked me to have a lineup in the
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yard after about six weeks, seven weeks. They wanted me
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to have her do figure eights. And so I was
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going to set up a bunch of planters in my yard.
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I can widen my gate. And I can say, Kona, weave.
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That's great.
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So the vet rehab lady was like, did you do
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the cones? I said, no, but Kona wants to show
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you what she did do. So what do you think
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about a figure eight weave?
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I love it. And you know, my pet parents have
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been the ones to come up with all these great
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exercises that I never think of. That I steal all
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the time. But actually, I give credit. I named the
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exercise after the dog. So I have one called Doggy
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Ninja Warrior named after a French bulldog named Ninja who
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had a back injury. And it's for walking over a
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bunch of different obstacles. equipment. So it's not like a
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human ninja warrior exercise. It's a doggy ninja warrior. So yes,
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those are great things to do too.
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I can tell that you kind of dig what you do.
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So what made you get to this field? I mean,
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were you going to be a pizza delivery person or
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start AI? I mean, what was going on when you
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were younger that said, not only do I want to
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become a veterinarian, but I want to do this?
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You know, I don't know. I think I wanted to
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be a baker when I was young. Okay.
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All right.
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And I still bake a lot. I bake my dog treats. But,
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you know, I really love working with my hands. And
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I love to feel a dog, feel a tense muscle,
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work on that muscle with my hands to relieve tension,
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relieve trigger points. Look at my dog, who at first
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was looking at me like I was killing him because
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I was pressing on a really sore spot. Or like,
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you know... Yeah, he's like, what are you doing? And
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then he feels me release it, or I do a
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little bit of acupuncture, dry needling, or I do some laser,
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or I do a gentle chiropractic move. I use my
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tools that are non-pharmaceutical pain management tools.
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Say that again, because this is very important. Go ahead.
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You do what?
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Non-pharmaceutical pain management. So I use... pain medication to really
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take down some of the pain that a dog has.
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on the pain meds, like the doggy end says, we
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are doing exercises. We are doing acupuncture, massage, laser. everything
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that we're doing to also relieve pain without using the medication.
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And then guess what? We take away that doggy Advil.
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We get rid of it. We don't have to be
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on it. I do not want dogs to be on
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pain meds for the rest of their life unless they
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absolutely need it. But what they can do is do
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a lot of other things. And at home, one of
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the things I teach my pet parents is heat, ice,
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and massage. So you yourself are providing relief to your
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dog at home. So those are things that I love
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to do. And the dog responds or the cat responds immediately.
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And they love coming into the rehab space. When they
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see me, they think treats. That's a treat lady. And
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that's the lady that's going to do fun, roll peanut
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with me, all these exercises. And I make them feel better.
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Pet with a purpose, right? We're speaking with Dr. Kelly Fishman.
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She is an amazing veterinarian that specializes in physical rehab
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Arden Moore on PetLife Radio.
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We're back from the lot. Just checked the paper, and
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that is. Now back to OBE.
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Here's Arden.
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Welcome back to the Old Behave Show on PetLife Radio.
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I'm your host, Arden Moore. I love this lady. Her
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name is Dr. Kelly Fishman. After the show, please go
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to struttanimal.com. She's got everything on Instagram, Facebook, LinkedIn. You
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got it. Check her out because she has great videos,
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great advice. And what really drew me to having you
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on our show, Dr. Kelly, is that you really want
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to separate the real deal from the hype. So there's
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so many things out there for people to consider to
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help their dog or cat recover. I don't need you
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to name a product, but can you help us separate
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fact from hype? What's something that's like, oh, please don't
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do that.
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Yeah.
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So two of the ones that I've recently heard that
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I think are hype is peptides. So injecting your dog
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with peptide or doing an NADH supplement. Now, unfortunately, there
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is absolutely no evidence in dogs or cats that those
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do anything to build muscle or increase mobility and strength.
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And then I say, listen, there are things that we
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know that have been studied in dogs and cats, meaning
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that that particular supplement has been proven to build muscle
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after TPLO or in senior dogs, and that's that fortitropin
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found in Mayo's Pet. which I'm so proud to talk
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about all the time because we have studies and there's
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nothing else out there.
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There's the difference. I used to be an investigative reporter
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for something called Daily Newspapers. And an editor taught me,
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if your mother tells you she loves you, check it out. Yeah.
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It sounds like you're using that same mental thought process
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when you're talking about things. There's so many choices. You
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go to Global Pet Expo or something, there's booths of
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supplements and everything. So you're saying you need to make
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sure there is like an independent study. What's some other criteria?
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So what it is, is everything. independent study in a
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dog and a cat so when a parent looks at
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the website and they look for evidence and then it
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says well in lab rats or in you know in
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a petri dish it like grew up you know things
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like that okay did and then the other thing that
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they'll do that's tricky is they'll be like well this
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has been studied by some other person and And we
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know that the ingredient does something. But our particular product,
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we have not decided to spend any time or any money.
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We've spent it instead on marketing, but we've spent no
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time and no money to actually prove that what we
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have in our container is doing what it says it does.
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And it is what it says it is. So again,
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that's why I like things like the Myos Pet. because
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they have taken the time to study and make sure
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it's not toxic and it works in dogs and cats.
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So that's the difference. And, you know, there are other
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things like that. It's just the first thing that comes
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to mind because it's building muscle after a TPLO and
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in a senior dog. That's what pet parrots can take home.
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Well, and also your reputation's on the line, right? You
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went to school and, you know, you're still probably paying
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your college loans off and, you know, your reputation means everything.
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So that's why I also wanted you on because you
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do separate fact from hype. What about cooling mats? What's
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the good and bad? We're in a hot, hot time
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right now, the summer, doesn't matter where you live. But
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dogs don't cool down like we do. They don't have
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skin pores all over their body. So can you give
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us a lowdown on that?
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Yeah, Arden, you're right. They have to pant and panting.
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And the other thing that they do is they open
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up the blood vessels like out there behind their paws
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and on their skin. Like it's a really bad way
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to cool down.
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Yeah, I guess they have pores in their nose, too.
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I think that's what I've been told.
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Yeah. So you're an expert in CPR and an emergency
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and preparedness. But so, you know, so I think cooling
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mats are wonderful for kind of like providing like a
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little bit of AC and comfort, but not actually good
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enough to cool down a dog that truly has heat stroke.
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So if your dog is very hot, that's a different
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way to cool them down. You need to cool them
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down by, you know, submerging them in water or getting
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them into AC or putting.
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A fan on them.
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But I like cooling mats to keep them cool, but
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not to actually cool them down.
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Can I ask you this? Because it's always bothered me.
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I really don't think cooling bandanas and cooling jackets do
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anything for dogs because they don't have skin pores there.
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Can you please? Because you've got a lot of cred
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behind you.
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Yeah, I do a lot of research on, you know,
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I always try to be ahead of the game and
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do the most a lot of research on how to
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cool dogs down because I do exercise dogs. So if
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you are exercising dogs outside and maybe I'm dealing with
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a French bulldog or an overweight dog or a senior dog.
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A lot of my dogs just had surgery. So they're
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more at risk than your average young, healthy dog that
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is a Labrador sort of dog. So I do a
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lot of research into this sort of thing too, and
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it is something I like. So the swamp vests and
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those cooling vests, I haven't heard or seen the evidence
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to really make them worth it. And truly what you
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need to do instead is to just get your dog wet,
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put some air on your dog, sorry, air on your dog,
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so it's airflow. And then I'm not sure if you
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ever heard of the head dunk. which you can.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So that's a great way.
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Well, tell people about that so they understand.
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Yeah. So this is just real cool. You basically have
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a gallon of tap water. It's not even like ice
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water or anything like that.
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Oh, don't do ice. Ice, ice, not nice, baby.
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No ice.
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That's what I tell my first dates. Never ice. Right.
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Exactly. So the dog will dunk their face into the
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gallon of water and they actually will cool their core
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body temperature within a few seconds and minutes.
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So.
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That's a really good way. But the thing is, you're
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going to have to teach pet parents to this when
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you do this at your class because you cannot expect
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a dog that's panting and overheated and is stressed out
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to dunk its head. So you're going to have to
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spend time as a puppy or at another time to
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teach your dog over the course of a couple weeks
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maybe to to do trust you and how to do
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the head dunk. So when you do have that type
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of emergency, you can use it. And University of Pennsylvania,
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the working dog program, Dr. Otto is the one who
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pioneered this method. And UPenn has really good videos out
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there for pet parents. educational techniques for free on YouTube
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that if anyone's interested, they could check out.
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Yeah, just gradual introductions make it rewarding and all that. Yeah,
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thank you for doing it because if you give ice
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to a dog that's overheated, they could go into shock.
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And so, you know, in our classes, we have a saying, ice, ice,
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not nice, baby, with apologies to vanilla ice. All right,
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we're moving on. I know that it isn't cheap to
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go to a veterinary rehab specialist. But you also offer
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a lot of things at home. You talked about the
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dog squats, the sidesteps, the rolls and all that. So
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what's the bottom line for people? They can be a
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partner in the recovery for their dog, right?
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Yeah, absolutely. And I wish there was a way that
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we could, as veterinarians, make some kind of generic dog
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rehab protocol for how to rehab your dog at home.
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But it's a little bit tough because a lot of
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it's dependent on how strong your dog is, how swollen
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they are after surgery. Do they have any arthritis going on?
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Is there anything on with their other legs? So it's
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really tough to make a cookie cutter dog exercise program
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that you could just follow online. Unfortunately, maybe in the
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future we'll have that. But what pet parents can do,
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like I said, is maybe just get one consultation with
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a physical rehabilitation doctor. You do not have to commit
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to doing months of rehab two or three times a week.
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You could just say, can you just please get a
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baseline assessment of my dog and give me a really,
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really good home program that I will follow for the
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next three months as my dog recovers with the goals
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of building strength in the back legs, You know, keeping
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your dog's weight down because we know that you have
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got to stay skinny. You did a great job with Kona.
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Keeping her lean, but staying lean for the rest of
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her life is going to be very, very important to
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prevent arthritis that's happening later on. You know, and just
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keep her strong because we know... strong dogs you know
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they have more supported joints they have less injury they
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have less inflammation which is pretty interesting so there's a
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lot of benefits to keeping your dog strong and unfortunately
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just doing walks and just doing the dog park is
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not enough for a dog that just had the surgery
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you have to do things that are targeted strength exercises.
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I knew she was better, Dr. Kelly Fishman, when she
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had an itch. And so she lifted her left back
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leg to scratch her itch on her belly because it
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was her right leg that had the new hardware. So
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she put her weight, full weight on that back right.
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And she was smiling. So I think that's a good thing.
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What's a parting message you'd like to give? And we
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got to also let people know again, how to track you, Dr.
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Kelly Fishman.
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So I think fitness is medicine. And I think that
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that is, you know, really good because it is going
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to keep your dog skinny, which is one of the
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things that has actually been proven to increase your dog's longevity,
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the length of their life, keeping them skinny and not
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like a, like not emaciated, but just lean, like nice
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and trim. It's going to save you money because you're
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going to feed your dog less.
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Yeah.
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And then also your dog's going to be less predisposed
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to certain conditions or like arthritis and other potential metabolic issues.
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because they don't have obesity. And it's something that we
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can control. We feed our dogs. We are controlling how
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much they eat. And then also knowing, and as a
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behavior person, you know this, a lot of times they'd
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rather just have our love. They'd rather go out with
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us and play.
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Calorie-free love.
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Yeah, they'd rather have love treats and exercise, bonding time,
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than having a couple extra pieces of kibble or a treat.
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I like that. Now, I don't know if you followed us,
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but we've been starting this thing at the end for
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all our guests. We asked you this one question. Here
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it comes. Oh, gosh. If you could, what would be
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a pet superpower you wish you had and why?
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Like a superpower that pets have that I want?
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Yeah. What's something a dog or a cat can do
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you wish you could do and why?
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Well, my cat is somehow lord of the manor.
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Shout out to Nelson.
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Nelson has gotten two human servants that feed him and
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he doesn't have a job. He's never had a job.
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He's unemployed.
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He's unemployed and has servants. So like dogs always have jobs.
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But I like Nelson's superpower of somehow like convincing us
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to constantly feed him and walk him outside. And he's
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just Lord of the Manor. I'd like to be that.
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All right. We hope to have you back. You're great.
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You have a lot more to share with us. I
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hope you had a good time today, Dr.
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Kelly. I had a great time and I would actually
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love to come back.
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All right. So at this time, I want to do
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a shout out to my producer, Mark Winter. He is
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the executive producer of Pet Life Radio. We are the
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largest radio network for pets on the planet. And Humbly
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O Behave is the longest running weekly pet podcast. We've
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been on the air since 07. Don't tell me how
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old you were back then, Kelly. It will hurt my feelings.
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I'm just teasing.
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Also, as she mentioned, my superpower is I love to
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help save lives. Working with ER and critical care veterinarians,
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please check out Pet First Aid, the number four, the
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letter U. I'm a master instructor, and I do it
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not by myself. I've got the busiest safety cat on
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the planet, Casey, an orange tabby, and a couple of
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well-trained dogs, Kona and Nova Six Toes. So you take
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our class in person, online, interactive Zoom, and they're there.
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So until next time, this is your flea-free host, Arden Moore,
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delivering just two words to all you two-, three-, and
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four-leggers out there. OBEHAVE!
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