Celebrating Superman with The Aspiring Kryptonian Tasmin Humphries

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Welcome to the net party.
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Hello, and welcome to another episode in our special celebrating
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Superman series. Here on Missing Frames, I'm your host, Sewan Eastridge. Normally,
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on Missing Frames we watch all the movies we should
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have seen by this point in our lives. But as
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we count down the months to the release of James
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Gunn Superman on July eleventh, I will be interviewing my
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favorite writers, artists, super fans, and more. I have been
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so busy you don't even know. But I've been busy
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in a great way, like I would not have it
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any other way. This is the best kind of busy
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to be. What could be better than talking with a
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bunch of Superman people. I mean, this is seriously the best.
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And I've talked to so many awesome people Campbell, Mark Wade,
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Mike Carlin, Jason Aarin, and most recently Superman and Lois
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writers Adam Mallinger and Julianna James. I've also spoken with
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Steve Eunice, the owner of the Superman homepage, and Morgan Siebert,
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the owner of the super Museum in Metropolis, Illinois. And
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there is more to come. Believe you me, you do
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not want to miss it. So stay tuned and if
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you like what you're hearing, please share it with a
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super friend. The more the merrier. Today I am talking
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to the aspiring Kryptonian herself, Tasman Humphries. Tasman is the
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owner of the UK's largest Superman site and one of
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the first super fans I remember following on social media.
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I remember seeing her in this amazing BBC special where
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she was basically showing off her Superman collection and I
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was like, I need to be friends with that person.
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Tasman and I got to hang out on Superman Day,
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so we geek out a little bit about the footage
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that was released on that day for the new movie.
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We also talk about what made her fall in love
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with the Man of Steel. We talk about our hopes
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for James Gunn's new film, our frustration with toxic fans,
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and also why it's okay for Superman to be a
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little cheesy, so all of the essentials. It was a
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great conversation. I really enjoyed hanging out with Tasman. I'm
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very appreciative she took the time to come on the show.
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I know she's very very busy, and she even hung
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out with me on Superman Day, Like what an awesome
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human being. So anyway, I really hope you enjoy listening.
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Let's go ahead and celebrate Superman with Tasman now available
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to own non video cassette. Well, this is this episode
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is coming out after Superman Day Tasman, but it's actually
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Superman Day right now as we're talking and not, I
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think announcements are still coming in fast. I think they're
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still happening. I might need you to be on your
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phone as we're just as sing all things Superman.
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Maybe, but I'm not that good at multitasking.
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It's fine. I feel like we're gonna just keep getting
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hit with news all day. But so far, okay, so far,
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we've had a two and a half minute not trailer,
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but like a sneak peek, like behind the scenes. That's amazing.
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We'll talk about that. We've had all the pre orders
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go live for the Funco pops, I mean, buy buy
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money from me? You have you have you jumped on?
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What was the thing you were most excited for? I'm
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guessing the preview, but.
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I knew something was gonna drop today from like official,
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but I wasn't sure what, so I did guess that
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it was going to be the behind the scenes stuff
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because they released that at Cinema Con and obviously we
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only got the Trader from there, but that was amazing.
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That got me really really excited for the film, and
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as if I couldn't be more excited, I am somehow right.
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But in terms of like releases, it's something small but
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Forbidden Planet. I don't know if you have Forbidden Planet
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in the US, so especially the biggest comic shop in
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the UK. And they released the SDCC pin of the
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Superman emblem, which I've been trying to get for ages.
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So they've just released that as a pre order. So
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that's that's the first thing that I jumped on.
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Oh perfect, okay, good, yeah, I pre ordered the It
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was it was my wife was in the room with me,
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and she was just like, well, she was, well, she
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was there, she's she is unflappingly supportive, maybe a little
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bit too supportive. There was a moment where she was like,
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you're getting all of this. I can't stop. I just
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can't start. I think I have a problem. And so
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there may be uh she might break down the door
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as a recording and there might be an intervention or something.
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But it was I was waiting for the McFarlane figures.
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I was on top of that. The Pops was a
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pleasant surprise, and of course the sneak preview was lovely.
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I've only watched it the one time so far, so
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I'm trying to in my brain in like pick out
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particular moments what I am so thrilled about in general,
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and this has been the overall vibe of the all
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the press, all the conversations, all the interviews, but the
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the love, the optimism, the hope. When I think of Superman,
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that's what I think of. Those things to go hand
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in hand, so to see that, I feel like it's
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been a long time since we've had such a major
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push for Superman.
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I've been a Superman fan for years now and I
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don't remember ever being this rife. So there's a lot
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going on. Yeah, For me, I tend to watch videos
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on silent, which is weird. Which is weird. It's just
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because I've got a three year old and there's no
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even if I put it on loud, I can't hear
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it anyway. So that one I actually went into a
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different room and I was like, right, I'm going to
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play this, and the commentary alone got me excited. It
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could have just been that commentary without all of those
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videos and the images. But yeah, just here in all
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of those well here in the cast and obviously James
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Gunn talk about Superman in that way you just know
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it's in good hands, and the way that the casts
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talk about James Gunn as well. So for all those
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people that are kind of on the fence about James Gunn,
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and I admit I was there at one point, but
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now I'm completely sold. So yeah, I think it was
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a really good bit for footage to release today.
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I remember he said something I don't even remember exactly
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when it was, but it was an anniversary for Donner's
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Superman back and it was either right when I think
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it was right around the time where he and Peter
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Saffron were announced as the new leadership for DC, And
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I remember James tweeted out, and this is before he
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was he'd taken on the role of Superman. He tweeted
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out like just a like happy anniversary to Superman the
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movie and a poster and he was talking about how
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much he loved it, and someone responded to his tweet
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about how important that film was. It was that movie
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in Star Wars, and James tweeted back, this movie to
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me was as big as Star Wars, and I'd been
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saying that for years, and I remember reading that and thinking,
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that's who I want in charge of DC. And then
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when he announced that he was writing the script, I
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was like, that's who I want writing the script. And
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then when he was finally like, okay, yeah, I'm directing
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it too, I was like, well, this is everything I've
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possibly wanted. And as far as the negativity goes, I've
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I've never been on that bandwagon. I've always I haven't
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seen all of his films. I've seen Slither. Slither is
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a blast, and of course the Guardians films, which are
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just so full of heart, and the Suicide Squad was fun,
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and so I've always been a fan of his and
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I think, you know, knowing that that was his perspective
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and that was his his heart going into it, I
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was like, this is good. This is going to be good.
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He's got that variety in his filmography, which is also
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exciting because I think thinking about Man of Steel and
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Superman Returns, there's almost a rigidity to both of those films.
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I am not a I'm not a big Snyder Verse fan.
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I was a champion for Superman Returns, even though I
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think it's a very, very flawed movie.
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I will say what got me into I was always
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a fan of well, I suppose we'll go into this
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in a little bit, but I was a fan of
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Superman and superheroes, superheroes in particular, not necessarily Superman. And
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then when that film came out, I just remember me
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and my cousin were to see about six or seven
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times in cinema, and I just collected absolutely everything, and
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I've still got them more now. Still all the action
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figures from Superman return still boxed and everything. So that
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for me, that film, it does have its flaws, but
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it's got a special place of a heart.
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That long are you ready? Are you ready for a
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real bonding moment? I saw Superman Returns twelve to thirteen times,
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and I could never do that again in my life.
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It was just I was fresh out of high school,
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going into college, no responsibilities, and then I think I
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was one of my best friends. He and I were
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champions of Superman, and I think we thought we were
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single handedly going to lift its box office to the
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heights that it needed to get a sequel. But so
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I'm with you, I have a lot of fondness for
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Superman returns. I think the rigidity of it is the
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need to honor Donners film, and with Man of Steel,
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it's almost the rigidity of it is the need to
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not be the Donner's film. So when you have someone
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like James Gunn, who's so creative, such a comic book nerd,
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who really knows that material, you know it's going to
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be something colorful and loose and wacky and fun and heartfelt,
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and you know it's kind of shaking the cobwebs off
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this almost one hundred year old franchise where I think
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a lot of people are going to go into this
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thinking they know what Superman is and coming out being like,
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I never thought of Superman that way. And that's what's
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really exciting for me for the.
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People that haven't really well anybody who hasn't really read
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like All Star Superman or Superman comics in general, the
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Superman you get in the films in some ways is
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and can be totally different to what you get in
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the comics. So I think this version so far in
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terms of what we've seen is very comic accurate. And
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everyone's like, oh, it's cheesy, it looks it looks stupid,
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it looks funny, it looks silly.
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But I'm like this, these people are not people I
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want to be friends. They are not allowed in my life.
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If you're complaining about Crypto, you, I don't want you
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in my life. You're that's negative energy. I don't need.
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That's my favorite.
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Let's talk about you, because you're the star of the
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show right now, and you are so I imagine so
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used to having to interview people and talk to Superman people.
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Have you Have you gotten to be on the flip
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side of the mic and.
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A few times and sometimes I have we say about
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interview and I've I've kind of slowed down a little bit.
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I used to do loads back in the day when
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I have bo own podcasts, and we were kind of
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doing it every I think every couple of weeks, but
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that that's on hold of minute. So it's been every
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now and then the odd interview.
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But when you when you have a kid, it's slow sick.
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I have a I have a he's almost four, so
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I uh, I know exactly what you're talking about, Yeah.
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Yeah, it slows it down, but yeah, I have been
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on this side of it, but not for a while.
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I think how I learned about your existence was there
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was I don't even remember how I saw it because
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you know, I'm not in the UK, but it was
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a BBC special you were on where it was like
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look at the Superman Collector and I was like, this
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is somebody I need to be best friends with. And
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I think from there I found you on social media
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and was able to follow your accounts. But I remember
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seeing that and thinking like where are these people in
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my life? Like these are the people I want to
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spend more time with.
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That was such a random thing as well, because it
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was basically it blew up more than what I thought
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it was going to blow up, because basically it was
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two students that didn't even work at the BBC. They
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were just doing their like unicors or whatever tasks they
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had to do for you, and they were like, oh,
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we were looking for some weird and wonderful stories. Can
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we come and talk to you? And I was like yeah, sure.
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So it was just two random students that just came
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to do it, and then it went yeah, they obviously
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did very well.
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Is that like what really kind of launched you as
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far as being an influencer for Superman? Was that what
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kind of push you to the forefront? Well?
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I didn't think so, because I had my website on
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the side and my social media and that kind of
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did blow up, but I didn't really find that when
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it did come out, I had a big influx of followers.
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It was kind of slow and steady, sort of the same.
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But when I started getting invited to these things by
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like Warner Brothers and stuff, they have like a cheat
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sheet of people that they've invited, so it will say
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your name and a picture of you, and the picture
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of me was from the BBC interviews. I was like, okay,
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was that happened?
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So Superman Returns is kind of when you fell in
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love with the character and that kind of kicked off
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the obsession. What are your earliest memories of Superman? Were you?
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I imagine you were aware of the character before that film?
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Oh yeah, So, like I said, I was a fan
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of Superman, but not quite so intently. I will say so,
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I think I've told the story many times, but I
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used to watch the New Adventures of Superman the Woman
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Dean Kane. That's my earliest memory. We swatched out with
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my granddad when he was trying to get me to
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shut up, when I was like, oh, watch this, Yeah,
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he can fly, he can do this. So it was
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one of those things, and from then I was I
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was never really into like Barbie or you know, things
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like that. I was always a bit of a tomboy
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like Pokemon, and I did like X Men and all
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those superhero stuff, So it kind of just stemmed from there.
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Really, Christopher Reeve was my exposure to Superman, but Lois
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and Clark was the first new Superman thing in my life,
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and it was I was maybe six years old. It
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was just the perfect time for like a new Superman show.
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Oh my god, this is the greatest thing ever. So
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that was one of my favorites as well. And I'm
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going to Superman Celebration for the first time this year,
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so I have you been able to go before? No,
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it's a little bit of a high for you.
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Superman Celebration is one of those things I've always wanted
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to go to. I've been like conventions in the US
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a couple of times, and I'm going to San Diego
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comic on this year, and I don't know why, but
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it's been on my list, but it's one of those
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things that I've never actually done, so I think maybe
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next year, I'm just going to just book it, and
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I think you should.
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You should, and it's for me. It's just a I
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found out I'm I'm in Georgia, like not far from Atlanta,
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and I found out that Metropolis, Illinois is only a
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six hour car ride from me. I decided, at long
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last just to take a day trip to.
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Are we going to drive it there back in one day?
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I did well, not in one day. I spent the night. Technically,
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I guess a twenty four hour period. I drove there,
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I spent the night, and then I like visited the
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museum and literally I went twice. I had to go twice.
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I drove there, went to the museum, looked around, spent
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the night at a hotel, and then went back the
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next day just to like bask in it all because
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it's all so one and the owner had just passed away,
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so it was just like it was on my mind
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and I really wanted to go.
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But yeah, I've kind of been in touch with not
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so much the owner but his daughter Morgan, Yeah.
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She was on the podcast. She came on the show
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and she talked. It was wonderful. She's lovely.
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Yeah, she is really nice. So she's always kind of
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invited me. She's like, come on, you need to come,
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and I do need.
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To do it.
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It's just one of those things that haven't done yet.
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It's a little bit more than a six hour car ride.
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Well even San Diego is like, I think that's about
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ten hours. I think possibly even I think it's twelve
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or thirteen hours because we've got to stop off at
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some point.
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But yeah, but you'll get here. I believe in you.
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You're going to do it. So do you remember after
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seeing Superman Returns? What was the were you like, all right,
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let me grab some comics, let me go back through them,
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Like what was what was the next step in the journey.
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I don't really remember. I just remember starting to buy memorabilia.
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And I did buy comics, but I didn't necessarily read them.
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To begin with comics because I like the artwork. I
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didn't sit there and read them. I like the covers.
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And then to be honest, I think the first Superman
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comic I read was Superman read Son, which is a
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random one to read.
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And also like as far as like I love this character,
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let me read this. Oh you know, it's kind of
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a different change.
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I had like random issues in a story, so I
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can't really read these because it's like part two of
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a full story. Yes, that was like the first full
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book that I had, So that's the first one I read.
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And then I did sort of fall in love with
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the comics, and now put I would even probably say
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I like the comics more than any other source material.
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I spend all my time reading comics pretty much time anyway,
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but I wouldn't say in terms of reading current comics.
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It was probably around the Bendis time when he revealed
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the truth. That was actually when I first started jumping
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on to ongoing comics series.
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So it's quite a lot so more recently. Yeah, that's incredible.
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So was there something was it that series or was
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there a book that you read that really made you
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kind of be like, oh, I really love this medium,
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this is incredible.
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I'd read like Superman Redson, and then I read like
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The Big Omnibuses, so like you know, all Star Superman
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and think like Solo like a book, not an ongoing
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series as such, But it wasn't necessarily that story. I
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think it was just that time that I could actually
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afford to buy my own I was one of those
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that I have to collect everything, so I wasn't just
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buying one issue of each is well, one cover of
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each issue. I was getting all of the variant covers.
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So yeah, it was very expensive. So I've kind of
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delved that down quite a lot now, And sadly, because
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I have to have a child, now I'm not as
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bad as I used to be. I can I do
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kind of Before i'd literally buy everything and anything. I've
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got kids clothes, like kids underwear and stuff that, So
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now I do kind of pick and choose what I get,
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so I make sure it's something that I really really want,
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like something like I feel like the statues are like
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a hot toy, you know, things like that, So the
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cool stuff now.
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Definitely, was there a point in your collect as you
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started collecting where you did realize like, oh, I'm going
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to need like a space for this, Like at what
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point did you start because there's gotta there must have
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been a switch from oh I'm going to get that
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I love Superman, let me buy this let me buy
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that to you know what, this is actually going to
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be a centerpiece of my life. Now I'm going to
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keep doing this.
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It was quite slowly, but surely, Like obviously I put
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bits around my room and then my room basically look
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like a ten year old boys Superman stuff. And remember
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when I first started going out with my partner, God,
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that was like twelve years ago. Now he actually came
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around and he was like, what in the world. So yeah,
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I think it's just the collection got oversized. So just
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to give some context, I've got We've just moved into
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a new house, so I've got stuff in the spare
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room in boxes, everything's in the attic. I'm currently at
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my mom's house now just to acording this, got a
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her attic is full of my stuff as well. So
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there's a lott.
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What is your favorite what's the most favorite thing that
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you've collected or are there are a few things that you've collected
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that you love.
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There's probably a few things, but I would say My
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Holy Grail is it's an Action Comics one reprint. I
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think it was from nineteen ninety three, but it's signed
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by Jerry Siegel and it's all like of authenticity. It's legit,
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so that's probably my holy grail. I've got a piece
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of George Reeves cape they did like this, I don't know,
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it's about this big, but it's like a big frame
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and it's got information about like when he started doing it,
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and it's just got a little tiny piece about that big.
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So that's pretty cool. God, I bet there's loads of things,
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but I just.
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Can't say, you know what, let's go dig them out
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right now, let's get it. But Superman Returns was really
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my Like that was when I had Superman stuff, But
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consciously it was like I was gonna say I had
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a job. At that time, I did not have a job.
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So I had had a job the year before, but
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that I was definitely unemployed. So I don't know how
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I managed to see Superman Return so many times, and
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I don't know how I managed to purchase so much,
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but it really was like that was my first The
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excitement of that was it was my first chance to
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see a Superman film in theaters. So for me, it
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was like, I'm going to buy as much of this
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stuff that's around as I can. But even then, it's
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not what it is now, and I'm okay with it
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being like an explosion, but also, like I said, my
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poor wallet is not okay with it.
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Before like, obviously I didn't earn that much money and
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I was at well, probably college or school at the time,
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I can't remember, but my mom and my gran used
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to pretty much fund my collection. So my nan was
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very much like if I said I liked something so Superman,
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for example, she would every time she saw something she
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would get it for me. So that's where it kind
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of started. And my mom's likely the same. Like I'd
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probably say eighty percent of my collection is funded by
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my mom, bless her.
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So that's how it was for me. I mean, my
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dad was kind enough to He used to just like, oh, yeah, sure,
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here's like forty bucks to get you through the week.
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And I was like, great, more money to go see Superman,
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more action figures. I could buy it. And he was like, well,
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did you get any food? And I'm like, well, no,
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that's you know, you don't think about that later. Food
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comes later. But how did you feel about like small
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villain stuff like that. Were you at an age where
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you could enjoy that or how did you feel about
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that stuff?
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I think when Smallville came out. I was too young
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for it, so all I remember, and I think it
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was all I remember, is seeing like the odd random episode.
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It was in the UK. It was on a channel
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called I think was ePol and that was kind of
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like a teenager channel, I think or later. So every
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now and then I thought I was calling up at
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the channel on it'd be Smallville. But because I didn't
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follow any of the story, I was like, what's going on?
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Actually I've only watched this series through once and that
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was pretty I finished it probably about five months ago.
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I'm so proud of you because I've it's been out
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for how long now and I still have not finished.
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You know what an absolute struggle. I started watching it
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during COVID, and first of all, it was really hard
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because like austreaming services, I was trying to watch it, it
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was really hard to find it. So you'd find series two,
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but then you'd be missing series one. I'm like, and
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I ended up buying the box set. So I've just
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been watching it through there. But yeah, it just.
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It's not the best show.
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It has its great moments, but I think it's just
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you had to be there in that time for it
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to be as impactful as people. And that's not to
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say it's not good. And I know there's a lot
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of people that are huge Smallville fans, but I just
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don't think it was I think I missed the bandwagon.
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I did not miss the bandwagon, and one hundred percent
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agree with you. But I remember so when it came
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when it first aired, what I forget about is it
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came out. It was October two thousand and one, so
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this was a month maybe not even a month after
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nine to eleven. So there was a sense of like, oh,
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we need something like this, and there was really there
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was the X Men film that it come out in
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two thousand, but this was also pre spider Man, and
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spider Man kind of kicked the whole superhero craze off
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to another level. So this is still pre like all
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the superhero like the Superhero Revival, so that was the
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only big superhero thing around. And I to this day,
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I still think the pilot is genuinely fantastic. I think
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the show struggles from I don't know if that writer's
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room was full of like Dawson's Creek writers who hadn't
482
00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:28.880
read comic books, or if it was comic book writers
483
00:23:28.880 --> 00:23:32.400
who were being forced to write Dawson's Creek stuff. Whatever
484
00:23:32.599 --> 00:23:37.359
was the situation. They the story was a struggle and
485
00:23:37.519 --> 00:23:42.799
it does not hold up. However, the intention, the cast,
486
00:23:43.240 --> 00:23:47.000
and the production value, especially for that time, is all great.
487
00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:50.400
Like Tom Welling, Rosenbaum, all of them are spectacular and
488
00:23:50.920 --> 00:23:53.359
miraculously with some of the stuff that they had to
489
00:23:53.400 --> 00:23:55.599
work with. I'm like, I don't know how you managed
490
00:23:55.640 --> 00:23:56.920
to say these lines with the Street.
491
00:23:57.119 --> 00:24:01.160
Yeah, yeah, I think it had. My problem with it
492
00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:04.680
is it was it wasn't about it wasn't always about Superman.
493
00:24:04.759 --> 00:24:08.759
It was about all these relationships and stuff, and that's yeah,
494
00:24:08.920 --> 00:24:09.640
kind of put me off.
495
00:24:10.359 --> 00:24:13.039
When they started to skew from the like the Superman Lord,
496
00:24:13.039 --> 00:24:14.720
because when it first started, it was like, Oh, this
497
00:24:14.799 --> 00:24:17.720
is going to be the teenage years of Clark Kent.
498
00:24:17.759 --> 00:24:19.640
We're going to get to see this unknown era. It's
499
00:24:19.680 --> 00:24:22.279
gonna be fun. And then when they started taking liberties
500
00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:24.720
with the story, and then I remember reading an interview
501
00:24:24.720 --> 00:24:28.680
where they're like, oh, it's it's an alternate reality, so
502
00:24:28.720 --> 00:24:30.440
it's not going to be exact like when he met
503
00:24:30.519 --> 00:24:32.960
Lois Laide and I was and that's where I jumped ship.
504
00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:34.279
I was like, I don't want to play this game
505
00:24:34.319 --> 00:24:35.960
of like it's an alternate reality.
506
00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:39.759
That's one of the like throughout. And I hated Lana Lang.
507
00:24:41.759 --> 00:24:43.599
Like the character in terms of like comics and stuff,
508
00:24:43.640 --> 00:24:46.240
but small than was Lana Lang. I absolutely hate her.
509
00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:48.400
What was it about her that kind of didn't work
510
00:24:48.440 --> 00:24:48.720
for you?
511
00:24:49.000 --> 00:24:53.799
I thought she was really horrible to him. Is he's
512
00:24:53.839 --> 00:24:55.960
like kind enough to her for like how many like
513
00:24:56.000 --> 00:24:56.960
six series or something?
514
00:24:57.200 --> 00:25:02.240
Right? Well, I dropped So I dropped off I think
515
00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:05.000
around season three or four when it was live, and
516
00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:07.079
then my wife and I have been watching through it
517
00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:11.480
finally like we were on season eight now, and almost
518
00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:15.720
every every interaction, I mean, at this point, I think
519
00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:19.559
she's left the show completely. But their relationship was always
520
00:25:20.119 --> 00:25:22.519
like Clark, why can't you tell me what you're feeling?
521
00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:25.279
And he's like, Lona, I have feelings for you, but
522
00:25:25.319 --> 00:25:27.160
I can't be with you. But then they'd be together,
523
00:25:27.480 --> 00:25:29.920
but then they'd repeat the same thing over and over
524
00:25:29.960 --> 00:25:31.680
and over again, where she would be like, I love you,
525
00:25:31.960 --> 00:25:34.000
and then he'd lie to her, and then she'd be like,
526
00:25:34.039 --> 00:25:35.720
I can't be with you, and then it would.
527
00:25:35.559 --> 00:25:40.799
Just go on set into an agent spy sort of thing.
528
00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:43.440
You're like, this is this is at a certain point.
529
00:25:43.480 --> 00:25:46.000
I have a lot of sympathy for the writers who, like, again,
530
00:25:46.200 --> 00:25:49.039
there was no superhero show at that time and they
531
00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:51.799
are running blind, but there is a sense of like,
532
00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:54.759
you guys really just you're scraping the bottom of the
533
00:25:54.759 --> 00:25:55.480
barrel with I.
534
00:25:55.480 --> 00:25:59.279
Think one of the mistakes that they made was introduced
535
00:25:59.319 --> 00:26:02.880
in lowis while he's still trying to go for Lana,
536
00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:04.880
because we're like, we know he's not gonna end up
537
00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:07.000
with Lana, we know. I feel like it was just
538
00:26:07.039 --> 00:26:09.079
wasted time. And then the last two series, I think
539
00:26:09.319 --> 00:26:11.400
where he starts actually dated Lois, I was like, this
540
00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:12.519
is this is what I wanted.
541
00:26:13.319 --> 00:26:15.799
Like, I'm in season eight and he still hasn't started
542
00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:17.799
dating Lois, and I'm like, when does he end up
543
00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:20.319
with Lewis? Like, well, I knew, I know he ends
544
00:26:20.359 --> 00:26:23.200
up with her, of course, but like it is, it's
545
00:26:23.240 --> 00:26:25.000
just been so funny to watch because they have like
546
00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:28.240
a very uh they're finally at the point where Lois
547
00:26:28.279 --> 00:26:31.079
is starting to be like wait a second, do I yes,
548
00:26:31.160 --> 00:26:35.119
he do. I like him, And it's just so funny
549
00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:39.640
because their relationship has been so brother sister, so almost
550
00:26:39.680 --> 00:26:43.000
like sibling rivalry that I almost feel kind of weird
551
00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:45.640
about thinking about the two of them romantically together.
552
00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:48.119
Yeah, I know what you mean, actually, and I think that's,
553
00:26:48.440 --> 00:26:49.880
like I said, that's one of the mistakes that they
554
00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:52.480
made by introducing her during that time when he wasn't
555
00:26:52.519 --> 00:26:53.720
actually interested.
556
00:26:53.319 --> 00:27:00.359
In Okay, so Superman as a character, Superman as a hero. Obviously,
557
00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:03.759
as you're getting into this character, you're a superhero fan
558
00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:06.440
and you love all this stuff, what was the point
559
00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:09.000
where you kind of realize, like, oh wait a second,
560
00:27:09.039 --> 00:27:12.079
but I think Superman that's my guy, Like I love,
561
00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:13.920
you know, for me, I'm like I love Batman and
562
00:27:13.960 --> 00:27:16.039
spider Man and all of them, but Superman has through
563
00:27:16.039 --> 00:27:19.279
the years just stayed my number one. So what was
564
00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:20.480
that moment for you and why?
565
00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:23.559
I don't really know the specific moment, but I just
566
00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:28.000
he's just different to all the other superheros, depending only
567
00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:31.519
what superhero films you watch, they want to be superheros,
568
00:27:31.519 --> 00:27:35.119
they want to be like these godlike characters, whereas Superman
569
00:27:35.200 --> 00:27:37.039
is the opposite. He wants to be like us. He
570
00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:40.440
doesn't want to be, you know, all powerful like he
571
00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:42.839
actually is. He's trying trying his best to sort of
572
00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:45.559
blend in and be one of us. That's kind of
573
00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:48.000
one of the things that I really liked about him,
574
00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:51.240
and he just no matter what you read or where
575
00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:52.559
you saw him, it just makes you want to be
576
00:27:52.599 --> 00:27:55.680
a better person. Sounds really cheesy, but it's just one
577
00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:57.160
of those things that when I was walking down the
578
00:27:57.200 --> 00:27:59.079
street wearing this to walk into my mum's house and
579
00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:04.519
I was just like, you know, I don't worry, no,
580
00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:08.680
it just you kind of have to be better. It's
581
00:28:08.680 --> 00:28:09.720
hard to put into words, but.
582
00:28:09.880 --> 00:28:13.559
Yeah, no, I understand. I think what I realized at
583
00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:16.519
a certain point was all these heroes that I love,
584
00:28:17.200 --> 00:28:21.759
whether it's Batman, spider Man, Daredevil, like all these heroes,
585
00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:25.839
they're all great and they're all heroic in their own ways,
586
00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:28.799
but every single one of them has a backstory where
587
00:28:28.799 --> 00:28:31.359
it's like Batman's parents got killed when he was a
588
00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:34.559
kid and he's traumatized and needs revenge. Spider Man's uncle
589
00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:36.920
got killed and he feels guilty about it and he
590
00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:39.559
needs that he has driven by that guilt. Daredevil his
591
00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:41.440
dad got killed. It was just like I kind of
592
00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:43.240
went down the list of like God, all these super
593
00:28:43.640 --> 00:28:46.160
so many of these superheroes are like driven by guilt
594
00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:47.480
and anger, and well, I.
595
00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:50.759
Mean, Superman's story is pretty tragic still, but he doesn't
596
00:28:51.039 --> 00:28:53.000
use it to motivate them, but not in the same
597
00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:55.240
way that Batman or Daredevil.
598
00:28:55.599 --> 00:28:57.920
Yeah, and it's it's one of these things where it's
599
00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:00.519
like his thing was he was a bait. So he
600
00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:03.680
doesn't have a he's lone. He has that like that
601
00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:06.480
loneliness of like I've lost my people, I will never
602
00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:09.400
know my parents. But in general, when you ask, like
603
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:12.440
why did he become Superman, it's like, well, because it's
604
00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:14.400
the right thing to do. I mean, I have these powers,
605
00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:18.000
why not be a hero? And that's not to downplay
606
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:21.279
I love Spider Man and I love Batman, but it
607
00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:23.720
is I realized at a certain point it's kind of
608
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:26.559
nice that that Superman wasn't driven by the death of
609
00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:29.799
anything to become a hero or the need to like, ah,
610
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:31.759
if only I had done that. He was just like
611
00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:33.160
raised by Jonathan and.
612
00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:35.839
Martha like this curest Superman.
613
00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:38.799
Yeah, he just it's like, like you said, he was
614
00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:42.400
the hero who just almost in an I like that
615
00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:44.319
you said it's kind of cheesy, but Superman is kind
616
00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:47.480
of cheesy. That's part of the appeal is the the
617
00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:50.799
most powerful being on the planet is sort of this naive,
618
00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:57.400
sort of goofy, nerdy, lovable person who his entire reason
619
00:29:57.440 --> 00:29:59.559
for being is because he wants to help people.
620
00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:01.960
Yeah, and there's a lot of people that I know
621
00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:05.559
that are sort of into superheroes, and their favorites are
622
00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:10.400
always Batman. It's always the ones that are cooler. And
623
00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:12.519
when you try, when you say I'm a Superman fan, like,
624
00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:15.160
oh why, and you just haven't read the right stories.
625
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:17.440
Bringing it back to the James Gun movie. Part of
626
00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:19.839
why I'm so excited is it's very clear that he
627
00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:22.119
knows the stories like he loves the comics.
628
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:22.640
Uh.
629
00:30:23.359 --> 00:30:25.559
The Donner film is a classic and one of the
630
00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:29.079
greatest films of all time. It doesn't necessarily represent the
631
00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:30.839
comics that were coming out at the time, you know,
632
00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:34.599
it's it's an adaptation that brings Superman into the real
633
00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:38.000
world in a big epic way. Superman Returns is kind
634
00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:40.039
of just riffing off the Donner movie. It's not really
635
00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:43.079
looking at the comic books. Man of Steel is kind
636
00:30:43.079 --> 00:30:46.880
of just like Zack Snyder's interpretation of the character. It
637
00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:51.119
touches on some comic stuff, but not particularly but that
638
00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:53.680
was always my response. It's like, there is a wealth
639
00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:58.039
of material in the comics, some of the best stories
640
00:30:58.039 --> 00:31:01.400
you'll ever read, that we've never really touched on, and
641
00:31:01.599 --> 00:31:03.720
I think there's a lot of potential there if we
642
00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:06.359
had somebody who was more familiar with that.
643
00:31:06.920 --> 00:31:08.880
He's not just oh yeah, I'm taking bits from here.
644
00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:11.480
He's actively trying to like sell these comics. He's like,
645
00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:12.759
go read this, go read that.
646
00:31:13.119 --> 00:31:16.720
Yes, exactly, and I love that. And that's again why
647
00:31:16.759 --> 00:31:18.240
I think he's the right man for the job. But
648
00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:21.000
I think what a lot of people familiar with Superman
649
00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:23.720
they're thinking of. You know, the most mainstream interpretation of
650
00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:28.480
these characters is going to ultimately ultimately be movies, and
651
00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:31.000
so all of the films we've gotten of Superman have
652
00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:35.880
either been the Richard Donner version or Zack Snyder version,
653
00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:38.039
So there's not a lot of wiggle room there.
654
00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:40.039
The problem is, as well, they set the bar so
655
00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:43.880
high with Superman the movie that it's really difficult for
656
00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:47.519
them to redo it. And like I said, well, we've
657
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:49.559
talked about it. But I love super mamiturns, I love
658
00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:52.000
Man of Steel, and I love Zack Snyder. But I'm
659
00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:54.599
ready for something different. Now. Yeah, one thing that I
660
00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:56.880
really like about what we've seen so far is that
661
00:31:57.000 --> 00:32:00.640
I think, and I say I think. I know. I've
662
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:02.319
sat there and I watched the trailer with my son
663
00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:05.680
Cal and he's he's like, oh, Superman's dog, it's this.
664
00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:08.480
He's excited. But if I show him Man of Steel,
665
00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:10.559
like I've been watching Man of Steel or even Superman
666
00:32:10.599 --> 00:32:13.400
Returns and he's been there, he doesn't even realize that
667
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:16.519
it's Superman. In some cases, Yeah, Returns is slightly different
668
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:20.160
because it's in terms of like the brightness, it's easy.
669
00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:20.599
And the music.
670
00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:24.160
Yeah, but yeah, there's been times where I've been watching
671
00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:26.440
Manistee in the background and he's not even realized that
672
00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:29.839
it's Superman. So I'm glad that he This is kind
673
00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:31.599
of something that I'm going to be going to the
674
00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:34.400
cinema to watch with him. Oh yeah, he's going to
675
00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:35.480
enjoy it with me as well.
676
00:32:35.559 --> 00:32:37.599
I think, and I think that is at the core
677
00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:40.480
of what Superman needs to be. You know. I read
678
00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:44.440
this interview recently with Ben Affleck where he's talking about
679
00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:49.920
how his son was too scared to watch Batman be Superman. Yeah,
680
00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:51.279
he said, his son, I don't know how old this
681
00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:53.359
son was, but he said he was going to take
682
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:55.160
his son, but his son was too scared, Like he
683
00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:56.720
was like, I don't want to watch it. This is
684
00:32:56.759 --> 00:32:59.599
too intense, and Affleck said He's like That's when I
685
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:01.880
kind of realized, like, you know what, maybe this went
686
00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:05.119
too far. And I think one of the big issues
687
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:08.319
I have with that take on Superman. And it can
688
00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:10.400
be like obviously like it can be intense, and it
689
00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:13.200
can be absolutely have that intensity, like there are some
690
00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:15.440
of the great films that I remember as a child,
691
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:19.720
like Star Wars or Indiana Jones have that violence and intensity,
692
00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:22.839
but it needs to be Superman. Needs to be something
693
00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:25.039
that a kid can go to and walk out of
694
00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:28.400
feeling like I want to be Superman. I love Superman,
695
00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:31.599
and I think if I could pin my complaints down
696
00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:36.240
about not so much Man of Steel, but certainly the
697
00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:38.880
later like Batman be Superman. It was like, I don't
698
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:40.279
know any kid who's going to come out of this
699
00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:43.119
feeling like happy about Superman.
700
00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:46.039
Well, I think I was talking about this with one
701
00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:49.279
of my friends. It's not obviously not made for kids.
702
00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:53.359
It's made for people probably our age that are fans
703
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:57.480
of those characters. And particular storylines. But what you want
704
00:33:57.480 --> 00:34:00.200
from the film is the Goddess of worth. You read
705
00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:02.440
the comics or anything. You want something that everybody can
706
00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:04.960
go to, and especially kids like when and there's not
707
00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:08.039
that much Superman When you talk to people there like
708
00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:10.400
Superman's a kid's character, But when you think about it,
709
00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:13.760
there's not actually that much four kids of Superman. I
710
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:15.800
know you have the animated series, but still I would
711
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:19.400
argue that's not particularly four kids. I think that's probably
712
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:22.679
more for you know, teenagers or you know, younger adults.
713
00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:26.079
And then you've got when like League of super Pets
714
00:34:26.079 --> 00:34:28.159
came out, I was like, I want this, but for
715
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:30.760
the whole Justice League. Because my kid loved that. I
716
00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:31.280
loved that.
717
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:33.719
That was I haven't watched it, watch it.
718
00:34:33.559 --> 00:34:34.599
It's it's great.
719
00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:37.960
My son loves the the Bruce tim animated series. Like
720
00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:39.960
you know, he sings the song. He makes me sing
721
00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:42.400
the song to him every night before bed, well sing
722
00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:44.480
he makes me sing that and the John Williams song
723
00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:47.000
to him before we go to bed. You know, it's funny.
724
00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:50.039
I always find it funny. I think there is this
725
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:53.960
fear that comic book fans have of not being taken
726
00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:57.480
seriously of like you like, because I think that sort
727
00:34:57.519 --> 00:34:59.840
of beating up on Superman and saying, oh, it's kids stuff.
728
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:03.199
I love Batman. He's so dark, but ultimately, like somebody
729
00:35:03.199 --> 00:35:05.920
who's not like a real comic book fan or superhero
730
00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:07.960
fan is going to look at Batman and say, that's
731
00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:11.559
a guy who dresses up like a bat and fights ultimately,
732
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:14.000
And James Gunn said this, and I agree with him.
733
00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:16.480
I think I thought it was very telling and very
734
00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:19.320
encouraging that he said this. I know some people kind
735
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:22.079
of like were like, how dairy, but somebody who was like,
736
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:24.039
how do you deal with these characters in like a
737
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:25.920
real world, And he's like, well, it's not real, it's
738
00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:28.440
all imaginary, and we just get to like tell stories
739
00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:32.719
that mean something. And I think that when with superheroes,
740
00:35:33.039 --> 00:35:36.639
there are great serious stories and we've seen them, and
741
00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:38.599
the important thing is as long as the heart's in
742
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:41.079
the right place, that will get you where you need
743
00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:44.960
to go. However, it is people dressed up with underwear
744
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:48.440
over their pants, it's people. It's a kid whose parents
745
00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:51.400
were killed who decided all right, I'm gonna dress up
746
00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:53.559
like a bat every night and go beat up people
747
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:58.000
like there is something inherently ridiculous about it and the movie.
748
00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:00.920
What the best movies have done is they've kind of
749
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:03.480
just you know, the Nolan films kind of what they
750
00:36:03.519 --> 00:36:05.880
did is they accepted it and said, this is just
751
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:09.000
the world we live in. It's the very similitude of
752
00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:11.880
the situation of the world we have, and you're just
753
00:36:11.920 --> 00:36:13.800
gonna go with it. And we did. We believed it.
754
00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:17.159
Richard Donner was the same thing, and it's it to me.
755
00:36:18.440 --> 00:36:20.960
Batman gets away with it because Batman is a bit
756
00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:23.039
more of a mature character and can go to that
757
00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:27.480
dark realm. But Superman has always been the contrast to Batman,
758
00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:29.320
and you need, like kids need to be able to
759
00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:30.000
look up to him.
760
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:32.719
Yeah, and I like when they acknowledge that it's ridiculous.
761
00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:36.239
Like even in the Christopher refilm there a com the
762
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:40.280
exact line, but there's when he's first the nice outfit.
763
00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:43.320
Yeah, hey, Jim, that's a bad outfit. That's one of
764
00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:45.440
the best parts of the movie. I love it. What
765
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:49.079
Donner did so brilliantly was he put Superman in the
766
00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:52.960
real world and had everyone react to him. The important
767
00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:55.840
thing is that Donner believed in the character and Christopher
768
00:36:55.880 --> 00:36:58.079
Reeve believed in the character. They're not like going like truth,
769
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:02.320
justice and the American way. We like it's the conviction. Yeah,
770
00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:04.840
and people need that people. I think one there's almost
771
00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:06.400
I don't know if you feel this too in the UK,
772
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:09.000
but there is this sense of like do we really
773
00:37:09.039 --> 00:37:12.840
need like another dark anti hero, like another Batman. Like
774
00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:16.519
there's a sense of like the time is right for
775
00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:19.360
Superman to step in and kind of, like you said,
776
00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:22.639
he inspires that hope in you. When you wear his shirt,
777
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:25.360
you feel kind of like, yeah, like this is I
778
00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:28.400
want to inspire people. Kids get really excited when they
779
00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:30.239
see Like I remember going to pick my son up
780
00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:32.679
from school wearing a Superman shirt and the kids are
781
00:37:32.679 --> 00:37:34.639
like looking at me, like, you know, they don't do
782
00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:37.519
that as much when I'm wearing just like a different character,
783
00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:38.800
like everyone knows Superman.
784
00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:41.000
I would say I address it, but I cosplay as well.
785
00:37:41.079 --> 00:37:43.440
So I remember the first time cow saw me in
786
00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:46.719
the Supergola, he was like, Mommy, you're Superman, and yeah,
787
00:37:48.519 --> 00:37:51.559
I love it. I like the little things. Obviously, you know,
788
00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:54.360
Superman has these massive adventures where he's fine like dark
789
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:56.880
Side Doomsday, but I like the smaller things where he's
790
00:37:56.880 --> 00:37:59.480
helping a cat from a tree or yeah, I'm trying
791
00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:00.920
to think of an a bit example, but you know.
792
00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:04.199
That's that's it. That's the that is the example. But like, uh,
793
00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:06.440
you know, it can be we can get the best
794
00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:08.360
of both worlds. It doesn't That's the thing that I
795
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:11.719
think in the discourse surrounding like oh I hate James
796
00:38:11.800 --> 00:38:14.280
Gun like Zack Snyder all the way or vice versa.
797
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:16.679
It doesn't have to be one or the other. We
798
00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:19.639
can take the best of both interpretations and do something
799
00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:20.239
even better.
800
00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:22.559
And even with Fantastic Four as well, like they're both
801
00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:25.760
coming out roughly the same time. Then you can enjoy
802
00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:28.559
both you don't have. Everyone just seems to compare everything
803
00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:30.440
against each other and it drives me insane.
804
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:33.199
It's that It's it's been since since the Beatles and
805
00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:35.320
the Rolling Stones. It's been like you have to pick
806
00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:36.920
one or the other. And I'm now at the point
807
00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:38.800
in my life where I'm like, I love both of them.
808
00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:41.480
I love I love Batman and Superman, I love Star
809
00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:43.639
Wars and Star Trek, I love it all like and
810
00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:46.920
I agree. It's like, if you're really a Superman fan
811
00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:50.800
and you're on the Internet waiting for another James Gun
812
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:52.719
trailer so you can tear it apart? Are you really
813
00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:55.519
a Superman fan? Like, really ask yourself that.
814
00:38:56.639 --> 00:38:58.760
As soon as I share something, there is always one
815
00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:00.679
or two people that always come it's the same thing,
816
00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:01.119
and like.
817
00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:03.800
We're getting another Superman movie, Like, isn't that something to
818
00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:06.599
be excited about, even if it's not the filmmaker that
819
00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:09.159
you want it to be As a Superman fan, shouldn't
820
00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:12.039
we all be like hoping for the best and like.
821
00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:14.719
This sucks, this is not my Superman. Like you haven't
822
00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:18.119
seen it yet. We've seen like two minutes of footage.
823
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:20.960
Like, right, it's the same. You know, ultimately what it
824
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:22.920
is is that's that's been ingrained. And I think the
825
00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:26.039
geek culture for as long as it's existed. I mean,
826
00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:29.400
I'm sure you are very familiar with when Michael Keaton
827
00:39:29.559 --> 00:39:32.079
was like the stories of when Michael Keaton was cast
828
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:35.800
as Batman in eighty nine, it was this without the Internet.
829
00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:39.360
It was like newspaper articles, hate mail sent to Tim
830
00:39:39.400 --> 00:39:41.360
Burton and Warner Brothers, like Michael Keaton is going to
831
00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:44.039
ruin this character. It's the worst thing ever. It's dead.
832
00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:46.519
And then like look at it now everyone's like Michael
833
00:39:46.599 --> 00:39:48.800
Keaton was the best Batman. Same with Heath Ledger. When
834
00:39:48.840 --> 00:39:51.039
they cast him as the Joker, it was like, oh,
835
00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:52.719
it's going to be terriblest.
836
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:55.239
People as well that at first, like I remember saying
837
00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:57.280
I was a Superman Returns fans, it was Brandon Routh
838
00:39:57.400 --> 00:39:59.280
and then they announced that they were rebooting it and
839
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:02.239
it was gonna be Hamrick. I wasn't familiar with Henry Cobbles.
840
00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:03.719
I was like, no, what are they doing? What are
841
00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:08.599
they doing? Was probably one of my favorite Superman And yeah,
842
00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:11.039
it's just it's another one of those situations you just
843
00:40:11.079 --> 00:40:13.360
have to wait for it to come out and go
844
00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:15.800
watch it and enjoy. Yes, you might enjoy it, you
845
00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:16.159
might not.
846
00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:20.360
Well how many people, how many people nowadays will say,
847
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:22.639
like Daniel Craig is the best James Bond and I
848
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:26.400
remember when they cast him and they were like, James Blonde,
849
00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:28.519
what an idiot? He looks so stupid, you know, like
850
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:31.960
it's it's just always going to be and you're absolutely right, like,
851
00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:34.679
wait and see the film then you can form your opinion.
852
00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:37.559
I wouldn't the best James Bond is.
853
00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:41.159
Pierce Bresin is incredibly underrated. That could be a whole
854
00:40:41.199 --> 00:40:45.480
podcast episode in and of itself. Let's as we kind
855
00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:48.800
of wind things down here, let's do some some rapid
856
00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:52.840
fire stuff. So favorite, I'm stealing this from my friends
857
00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:55.400
Brad and Lisa at the Comic Book Couples Counseling podcast.
858
00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:58.119
They've been asking this, but I love it. Walking out
859
00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:01.000
of the Superman Theater, They're like, Tasmin, it's the greatest
860
00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:02.719
movie ever. You were right and I was wrong this
861
00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:05.800
whole time. Superman's the best. What comic books do I
862
00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:07.079
need to read? What do you tell them?
863
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:09.880
One of my favorite stories is by Brandon Easterton, and
864
00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:11.760
it's in super and Red and Blue, and it's called
865
00:41:11.800 --> 00:41:14.079
A Measure of Hope. That's one of my favorites. That's
866
00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:16.920
one of those stories where it's like, it's not Superman
867
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:20.159
fighting a big space alien, he's dealing with real, real
868
00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:20.800
world stuff.
869
00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:22.719
What's the plot of that one? I don't know if
870
00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:23.519
I've read that one yet.
871
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:26.000
So he basically this is a guy that's been writing
872
00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:28.880
Superman letters, and he's written like sixty or seventy letters,
873
00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:31.280
and by the end it's basically asking for help with
874
00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:33.360
his mom who has an addiction problem.
875
00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:36.079
I have read this, this is great, and by.
876
00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:38.519
The time Superman actually gets to it, obviously he's a
877
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:41.880
busy man, and it's sadly too late. And it's sort
878
00:41:41.880 --> 00:41:44.719
of Superman dealing with the fact that he can't save everyone,
879
00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:47.440
which is one of his biggest problems or biggest fears.
880
00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:50.679
So yeah, it's just it's just it's tragic, but it's
881
00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:52.199
a really, really beautiful story.
882
00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:53.840
Yeah, that's a great recommendation.
883
00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:56.199
It's got to be all I do love All Star Superman,
884
00:41:56.920 --> 00:42:00.320
and I know it's not quite a favorite. I love
885
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:01.239
supermhmed Soon.
886
00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:03.440
Because it's so good.
887
00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:05.239
It's good, but it's got a really special place in
888
00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:07.079
my heart because it's like one of the first Superman
889
00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:07.920
comics that I read.
890
00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:10.000
So what would you say it to your favorite Superman film?
891
00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:11.000
Is it Superman Returns?
892
00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:13.639
You think it depends what you're going on. This mass
893
00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:14.519
be a rapid fire.
894
00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:16.639
I'm giving you liter No, no, no, You're good.
895
00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:21.599
It depends in what capacity. I think Man of Steel
896
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:25.639
is probably my favorite in terms of what happens and
897
00:42:26.079 --> 00:42:29.639
you know the plot, But super Mammintan's is the one
898
00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:31.239
that I've watched the most and it's one of my
899
00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:33.440
favorites because it's, like I said, it's got a special
900
00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:35.800
place in my heart because it's what got me into collecting.
901
00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:38.920
Other than Superman and Lois, Who would you say is
902
00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:40.360
your favorite character?
903
00:42:40.760 --> 00:42:43.239
I'm going to attempt to say, but mister mister.
904
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:46.800
Mix is polic I think that's how But he's.
905
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:49.400
One of my favorites. I think he's so underrated. And
906
00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:52.119
like the minute, I'm doing a Superman reading order. So
907
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:54.960
I've gone right to the start of Superman comics and
908
00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:57.079
I've been reading through and at the minute, I'm in
909
00:42:57.199 --> 00:42:59.519
nineteen sixty so it's all the you know, the.
910
00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:00.920
Really silver age.
911
00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:04.920
Yeah, and I just love how petty is. He literally
912
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:08.119
exists to annoy Superman for no other reason.
913
00:43:08.639 --> 00:43:12.079
Yeah, it's great, and I'm totally okay with that. Superman
914
00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:14.719
needs to be annoyed a little bit by someone weird
915
00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:17.280
like that. So what else? What else is there? What
916
00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:18.679
else should I ask? What do you think?
917
00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:20.800
Favorite suit?
918
00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:22.840
Favorite? So? Oh, yeah, what's your favorite suit?
919
00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:26.440
I like Superman red and blue, particularly the blue one.
920
00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:31.920
That's probably my oh, my favorite Superman suit. Geez, I mean,
921
00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:35.000
I love the new one very very much. God, it's
922
00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:36.760
I mean, I would have to go with Reeve just
923
00:43:36.760 --> 00:43:40.039
because I love that movie so much and that's so iconic.
924
00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:44.400
But I also really love Tyler Heckland's fleshers suit and
925
00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:48.280
Superman and Lois that is really great. Yeah, trunks are
926
00:43:48.280 --> 00:43:48.880
no trunks.
927
00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:56.159
Oh depends inext Again. I like Trunks in terms of
928
00:43:56.320 --> 00:44:02.119
artwork because it looks iconic but practicality no.
929
00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:04.519
Okay, okay, I'm a Trunks fan. I love the Trunks.
930
00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:06.559
I'm like, I don't need it to make sense, like.
931
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:09.400
But I would take if Superman was real, I would
932
00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:11.000
take him more seriously. If he didn't have.
933
00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:15.679
Trunks, you would take him aside and be like, look,
934
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:18.280
I love you, but you need to do something about this.
935
00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:23.559
I loved David corn Sweat actually had a really cool
936
00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:27.599
justification for the trunks. Did you read that interview.
937
00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:29.880
Was something to do with the kids or yeah?
938
00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:32.719
Yeah? And Mark Wade kind of did that in Birthright,
939
00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:35.280
like he like it was it's gonna be a big
940
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:38.039
loud so he wanted people to see him coming from
941
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:40.960
a mile away, no mask, like bright and colorful. But
942
00:44:41.000 --> 00:44:43.880
I love David's interpretation of like it's like a wrestler.
943
00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:46.760
He wants kids to like him and so it's like
944
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:47.719
a wrestling outfit.
945
00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:50.960
Ye, and I thought a bit like that, Like I
946
00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:53.440
didn't think of it. I didn't think of what kids
947
00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:53.840
would think.
948
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:56.599
Well, that's what I'm saying. What a cool way to
949
00:44:56.639 --> 00:44:58.360
interpret it, because I was the same way. I was, Like,
950
00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:00.800
I never thought of it quite like that, Like how like, oh,
951
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:04.079
it's it's garish on purpose, like it's supposed to be
952
00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:08.400
kind of goofy, because like he's powerful and he wants
953
00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:11.280
these kids to feel like it's okay where you're underwear
954
00:45:11.320 --> 00:45:13.360
outside your pants. If I, if I can do it,
955
00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:14.360
anyone can do it.
956
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:18.039
Sorry you mentioned Jason Aaron though, but absolutely Superman is
957
00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:21.480
just incredible, isn't it great? Probably that's probably one of
958
00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:23.920
the ones that I recommend, if for people that don't
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like for people that think they don't like Superman, that
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is the story to weird.
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That is a really good one to recommend to people
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who are like, ah, yeah, he's laying Yeah.
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I hate to use the word, but it's more realistic,
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especially and that's going on in the world now.
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It's got that grounded. It's more grounded for sure. Well,
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this has been amazing. You're amazing you so I am
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so excited that you were able to do this. I
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am delighted you were able to do this on Superman
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Day of all things. You've got plenty of things you
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can do and that you have done and will continue his.
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Excuse to get out of doing the bedtime routine with
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my little You'll be asleep, hopefully.
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I am always happy to help get somebody out of
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the bedtime routine. I understand completely, but Tasmin, thank you
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so much. Thank you for celebrating Superman with me.
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Thanks for having me