Shoot A Machine Gun; Celebrating Revolvers; Knife Attacks

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Hey, hey, hey, it's that time again. I'm Tom Gresham,
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and this is Gun Talk, where we talk about pretty
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much anything that has to do with guns, from the
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Second Amendment to hunting guns to self-defense guns to competition
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to actually the culture of the Second Amendment, guns that
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you hand down from generation to generation. We've got a
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lot of things going on today, a lot of fun
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things to talk about. I'm going to call today Gun Talk.
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Six Guns Sunday, because we'll be talking about revolvers a
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good bit. We'll get to that in just a bit.
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And obviously, as always, if you want to be a
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part of this, give me a call at TomTalkGun. Now, look,
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we have a lot of cool classes we do at
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Range Ready Studios, and some of them are the experience
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thing where you kind of get to go in and
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it's almost like you're a gun writer and you get
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to experience what the gun writer's You get to experience
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that in an introduction. Well, this may be the coolest
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of all the ones we have ever done. You're going
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to get to go to the Range Rating Studios and
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shoot HK personal defense weapons. There you go. We're joined
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right now by James Williamson. He is the HK expert.
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You are the guy. The SP-5 is the semi-auto version
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of an MP-5. Is that correct? Yeah, that's correct.
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For H & K, we offer for the commercial customers
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two different models based.
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Off of the original MP5. One is called the.
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SP5, which is the full-size MP5-style variant. And then we
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offer the SP5K, which is the slightly more compact model.
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And that's what we're referring to today.
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Okay, so what's your background? You're a Marine.
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What else?
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What have you been doing?
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Well, currently I work at H & K. I oversee
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our training department as well as work on our business
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development team. So we manage all the current product line
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of weapons and all of the new programs that you
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guys don't even.
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Know about yet that are on your way, we get
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to take care of.
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So it's a great place for me as an H
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& K super fan to be. Prior to that, I
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had a career in the Marine Corps and You know, really,
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I kind of look back sometimes.
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I have to pinch myself.
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I got to do things I wanted to do when
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I was a kid growing up. I got to be
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a Marine. I got to work for my favorite firearms company. So, yeah, very,
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very excited to be here. And the MP5s are the
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ones that I think everybody needs. who's a, you know,
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an HK fan can identify with. It's such an iconic
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company firearm. And it's one I love being able to
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provide instruction on to people because it is so unique
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versus what your experience base might be with, you know,
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an AR based gun. And it's one that It only
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takes just a few minutes for people to get behind,
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to get really, really comfortable and proficient with and realize
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why it is still the preeminent submachine gun across the globe.
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All right.
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So, obviously, the people that are going to come to
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this class are going to get to shoot the SP-5,
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the semi-auto version. At the end of the class, they're
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actually going to get to keep it, take it home,
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or get it sent home with them. But you are
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going to give them a little bit of trigger time
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with the full-auto MP5.
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Yeah, that's what's really unique about this.
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Specific event that you guys have put together for us
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and your fan base is... You get to come and
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take a course that's focused on these specific weapons, which
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in itself is.
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A rare opportunity.
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But you get the SP-5 as part of the course fee,
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all the ammunition, everything else that you need is part
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of this. And that makes it just completely turnkey. You know,
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one of the challenges, it's a great place for us
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to be as a company, is we have actually surpassed
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our production capacity for this year on the SP5 series
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versus all our orders. So we've actually put a hold
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on taking new orders in for those firearms for the
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remainder of the year. So this is an opportunity if
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you don't have one. And you've been wanting to get one,
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and now you're looking around, you can't find one anywhere,
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and you want it under your Christmas tree for Christmas.
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We've pulled aside this allotment of weapons.
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To support this training event, so you'll get a brand
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new one. So that's pretty awesome.
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And then, as you mentioned, even though you specifically as
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a student will be running your SP5 program, I'm going
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to show up with a full complement of the actual
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full-auto MP5 variants, and we'll have opportunities throughout the class
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for everybody to get trigger time on the different models
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for certain drills and for some of the historical perspectives.
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So it is a really unique experience if you are
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a serious HK superfan.
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What is it about the MP5 that just captures people's attention,
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their imagination?
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You know, that's multifaceted.
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I think one of the things that transcends across all
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our firearms, one of the things our designers always do
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is if a firearm can be sexy, H & K
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firearms have always been able to fit in that category,
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and the MP5 series definitely fits that.
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I think.
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Depending on where you grew up in that time frame,
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I was definitely a child of the 80s, and it
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was such an iconic Hollywood-type.
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Firearm that was in all of the movies.
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And from a military law enforcement standpoint, there is no
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question that it was a heavy hitter within those specialized
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units for so many decades that it just has— An
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experience base of people who can look back and remember
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a story, you know, an event that they were involved with,
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with these firearms that, you know, there's a nostalgia base
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for it. But it's also a firearm that I think
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some people may not realize is still in production from
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H & K. It's the last of the Roller Blade series.
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series rifles that we still make. And that's because we
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still get regular consistent orders across the globe from both
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the commercial customers for the SP-5 series, but from the
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military and law enforcement customers. It's one of those weapons
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kind of like the 1911, kind of like the AR-15
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that has just lasted way beyond, you know, the expiration
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date that I think people would have put on it
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because it's such.
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A reliable weapon.
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An easy-to-utilize weapon, and because it was designed to be
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modular from the start, being able to change out handguards
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and buttstocks and trigger groups and put optics that can
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mount directly onto it, it's just given it great legs.
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Throughout.
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And as many times as other companies have tried to
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supersede it, and even H & K, we've tried to
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supersede it with newer submachine gun designs. You know, you
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give those to the customers, and they just say, hey,
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we're perfectly happy with our MP5s.
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Okay.
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It's a pretty cool, unique weapon. And people know, all right.
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MP5s are used by special forces all over the world, Delta, SEALs, Marines,
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Force Recon, Secret Service, on and on and on. But
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what is it that appeals to people? What can we
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as citizens, civilians, get out of the SP5? What do
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we use that for?
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A submachine gun or a PCC is a niche weapon,
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just like a sniper rifle is a niche weapon or
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a shotgun is a niche weapon. So I always kind
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of approach it from the standpoint of a toolbox. And
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I've always thought of myself as a problem solver. So
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if I've got a problem that needs to be solved
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and I go to my toolbox and the only tool
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I have in my toolbox is an AR-15, and in
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this example is a hammer, well, then every problem starts
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looking like a nail. And there's a lot of problems that,
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you know, don't need an AR-15 to be solved. It
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sometimes gets thrown in the kind of jack of all trades,
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master of none category. And there's a reason why, you know,
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if you had to have one rifle, why that might
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be a good choice for it. But there's a lot
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of situations where that is just too big and too
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cumbersome and, you know, maybe not the right caliber for
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the role. So having something that's much more compact and
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maneuverable to deploy, to carry, to to stow, that uses
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a pistol caliber cartridge that doesn't have the noise and
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flash and overpressure associated with a rifle caliber, especially when
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you start taking those rifles to shorter lengths. It makes
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it very ideal for those types of things like a
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backpack gun, a truck gun, a home defense gun. you know,
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something that you would want to have to maneuver around
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in close quarters of a building or around vehicles. There's
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just so many situations. We still see it widely in
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use in law enforcement roles for dignitary type protection where,
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you know, you can't hide an AR-15, you know, but.
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You you can conceal this more.
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And it gives you quite a bit more capability in
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those roles where, again, a full size rifle or carbine
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might be. cumbersome and hard to maneuver, and a pistol
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might be a poor compromise.
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All right.
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As people look at this, they look at, okay, here's
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a relatively short firearm. It's semi-auto. What is it that
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I need to know? I mean, it's like, okay, I
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know how to run that. You pick it up, you
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pull the trigger. What are we going to learn in class?
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Yeah, it is a unique weapon as far as how
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it operates. The MP5 and the rest of the roller-delayed guns,
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it was based off of they predate the common bolt
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hold open device that we're so used to on AR-15s
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and newer designs.
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So there is no bolt hold open device to lock
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the bolt back to the rear.
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So you have to manually do that, kind of like
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kids today who don't know how to drive a manual
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transmission car. You've got to spend a little time learning
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the nuance of that. But as I've said, and as
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the students will see, It only takes a short amount
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of time running through a stacked series of drills to
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gain quite a bit of proficiency with it.
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And once you do, it's super easy.
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In fact, my experience base is so heavy on MP5s
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that when I switch back to something that does have
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a bolt-open device, I always end up pulling the charging
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handle first anyway. The uniqueness of how to employ something
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that's smaller– than a larger weapon.
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The sighting system is very unique on it.
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Most people have given away from iron sights, but the
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iron sights on these weapons are probably the best out
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there and incredibly usable. We can take it further back
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in distance than most people think. A sub gun is
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just close quarters inside a room weapon. And we regularly
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demonstrate that you can be very accurate at much greater distances.
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And then obviously for the full auto sections, we'll spend
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time showing really what the key significance of this is,
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how controllable it is. on fully automatic. It's machine pistol five.
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It's meant to be shot in fully automatic. I think
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a lot of people think fully automatic is completely uncontrollable
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and you would never use it.
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This weapon proves.
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That's the complete opposite and that's how you actually should
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employ the weapon. It gives a lot of people a
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massive amount of confidence that, again, in a short amount
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of time, they can become very proficient with running this
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weapon as it was intended.
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You've taught a lot of people how to use this system. Typically,
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when the first time they pick it up and you
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train them up and the first time they pull the
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trigger and shoot it, what's the reaction?
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Well, you know, I've never had anybody hand one back
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to me with a frown on their face. For those
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who it's, you know, if it's been a bucket list
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item to get to shoot one, it definitely ticks off
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all those boxes. But I think what they really kind
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of get the idea of is, wow, this thing is
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really soft recalling.
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It's very accurate. It's very intuitive to operate.
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And then they start realizing, okay, well, why would I
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really want something bigger and more cumbersome for this in
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certain types of roles, especially when we're talking about, you know,
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in those close quarters types of environments.
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Very, very effective.
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I think the biggest advantage, as we'll see with the students,
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is as we switch into the The full auto positions,
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that's where I think the light comes on and they go, okay,
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now I get it. Now I really understand why this
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is more than just a showpiece.
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There are only going to be a few slots open
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in this class. It's going to be held November 4th
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and 5th at Range Ready Studios in Louisiana. It's going
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to be taught by Chris Serino and James Williamson. You're
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going to be teaching people. And the takeaway is literally
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the takeaway. You get to keep the SP5, which is
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hard to find these days.
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Yeah, definitely at this point.
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And because of the limited availability we have at the moment,
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those that are out there, you know, no surprise, those students,
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Those people are asking for more money than when the
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supply is flowing.
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So that's a definite key.
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But I think, again, you're going to get to spend
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two days learning the weapon in a deliberate manner and
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coming away with some real proficiency on it. You're going
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to be able to share all that fun with like-minded
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individuals and And you're going to get a deep dive
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into the background history and all the different variants of
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the MP5 that you just are not going to see
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in another type of environment. So I think it's a
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really unique opportunity. One, I'm excited you guys proposed to us.
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And then here at H & K, we're super motivated
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to support.
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It's a bucket list item and you don't even have
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to enlist to do it.
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Yeah, exactly.
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James, thank you so much. This is going to be
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an amazing class.
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You're very welcome.
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I'm looking forward to it.
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All right, welcome back to Gun Talk. Tom Gresham here.
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You can give me a call anytime you want to.
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Give me a call at TomTalkGun. It's that easy, really.
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And we're open lines.
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If there's a subject you want to talk about, we
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will handle that. If there's, you know, honestly, a gun
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you want to tell me about or one you want
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to ask me about, Give me a call. We'll talk
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about that as well. If I don't know the answer, well,
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we've got two options here. One, I can make it up.
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Sometimes I do that. It's up to you to figure
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out if I am. The other, of course, is that
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we can ask for help, and we get help from
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our friends, that is other listeners, who will say, yeah,
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I had one of those, and let me tell you
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about that. And that works really well also. Oh, good report.
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Just got this one in. Gun sales are up for
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the seventh month in a row in 2026. According to
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the National Shooting Sports Foundation, let's see, numbers came in
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at last month, 1,115,000 guns. Amazing. For seven straight months,
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gun sales are up. Hmm. Now, here's the thing. Here's
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the interesting part about that. Those are not accurate numbers.
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They're actually too low. Well, why would that be? Well,
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Real simply because those numbers come from the NICS checks,
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the background checks that are called in or that go
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to the FBI. And in a couple of dozen states,
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maybe more, there are other ways to do the background check.
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If you have, for instance, a concealed carry permit that
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required you to do a background check to get that,
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in a number of states, you just simply show your
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concealed carry permit And then they don't do the federal
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NICS check. They don't call it in. They don't do
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the FBI check. And so those purchases do not show
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up in these numbers. So while we're looking at 1.1%,
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million guns purchased last month in August, we actually don't
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know how many new guns were purchased because a lot
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of them just simply don't show up that way. And
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that's a good thing. I love that idea. You know,
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If it were up to me, and I've said this
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for years and people scratch their heads for a long time,
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but I think they're kind of coming around to it now.
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I don't think there ought to be any background checks
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to buy a gun, period. Now, look, I know that
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we've got two or three generations of people now who've
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grown up with them. They think that's normal. It's not normal.
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You're saying, Mother, may I? May I please exercise my
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constitutional rights? And only if the government checks you out
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and says, yeah, okay, you can do that. Do you
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get to do that? There should not be any background checks.
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There actually should not be any prohibited people. And we're
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getting away from that to some extent. We're starting to
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recognize that, yeah, you know what? You can't strip people
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of their constitutional rights. So what do we get? Out
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of the background checks, do you think that reduces crime
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at all? It's a massive bureaucracy. And although they say
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they're not doing it, I am convinced they're building a registry.
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They're building a list of gun owners. They're building a
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list of guns. What could that be used for? If
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you had a A presidential administration that was far worse
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than the Joe Biden administration, for instance. And they said,
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you know, we just don't care what the laws are.
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We're going to start picking up guns. Oh, yeah. Look
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at what we just found. We found this cool list,
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a database of people who bought guns. We have their names.
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We have their addresses. We have the guns that they bought. Hmm.
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Makes it pretty easy to go door to door and
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pick them up. Or even just send people a note
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and say, hey, you got to turn those in. And
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if you don't, we'll send people with guns and we'll
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take them from you. And if you resist, well, we'll
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just kill you. Is that just my imagination? No. I'm
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just telling you what has happened in history throughout the world.
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Every time there is gun registration, there is gun confiscation.
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It is as simple as that. Okay, so I did
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a thing. I bought a gun. Not a new gun,
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a used gun. And it got me talking about revolvers.
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When we come back, let's talk about revolvers. If you
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want to be a part of that, give me a
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shout at TomTalkGun. I'm Tom Gresham. This is Gun Talk.
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We're having a ball. Go check us out over at GunTalk.com.
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All right, let's talk about something fun here. This past week,
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I put something on X where I bought a used revolver. Yeah, no,
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probably not what you're thinking of. It was actually a
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Freedom Arms 454 Casull because everybody needs one of those.
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In my case, I've got two of those now. And yeah,
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that's a big honking cartridge. But man, what a nice
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revolver made right there in Wyoming. And it's terrific. And
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somebody said, well, why would anybody carry a single X revolver?
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I thought, well... Let's talk about that. And nobody better
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to do that than our friend Jason Kloster from Lipseason. Jason,
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you are a single action. I mean, you shoot everything,
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but you're a single action guy. You like the old guns.
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Start off the basic question. Why would anybody care or
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want a single action revolver?
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Well, Tom, you kind of said it already, because they're cool.
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I mean, single action revolvers, they do have a lot
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of benefits. You know, that's what I grew up shooting.
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That was the first things I shot. My dad loves
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single action revolvers. And so I grew up shooting River
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single sixes and Blackhawks and Bisleys. And what I've come
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to find after shooting everything over time is that nothing
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handles the recoil of the big cartridges better than a
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single action revolver. So when you're talking about the big guns.
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Even your heavy.
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44 Magnums, your. 454 Casuls, on up, the leverage you
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can get on the grip frame on a single action
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just handles the recoil much better. That recoil tends to
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kind of roll in your hand versus twist in your
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hand like a double action revolver does. And so they
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really make better, it's a better platform for what I
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consider anything above.
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44 Magnums. That's where they really come into place.
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How does it feel? How do you describe the difference
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in the feeling in the recoil?
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For me personally, and everybody's hand's different, but when you
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come to the double-action revolvers, the way that grip frame
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is designed, the guns tend to really torque a lot
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and want to twist.
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And they just beat my thumb.
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Knuckles pretty hard, especially with the big stuff. With the
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single-action revolvers, especially the Bisley grip frames and the Ruger
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or the Freedom Arms 83 grip frame, it's a little
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more of a steep curvature. It has a little bit
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longer grip than your traditional single-action army plow handles. those
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particular grips tend to spread the recoil across your hand
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a little bit better and also tends to roll that
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recoil impulse straight up instead of off to the side.
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So it's really easier to kind of ride the recoil.
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So to say, on the big stuff with those type
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of grip frames than, say, trying to shoot, say, an
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X-Frame Smith shooting a 460 or a 500 or something
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like that. The single-action grip frame just really handles that better.
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And quite honestly, the single-action revolvers are stronger. It's a
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stronger design.
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It's simpler.
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It handles the big stuff a little bit better, and
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it also does it in a lighter weight platform. Now,
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your Freedom Arms 83, 454... It was about as bomb-proof
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as it gets, but it's still a fairly small, lightweight
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gun compared to like a Smith X-Frame or a Super
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Red Hawk or something like that.
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And one of the things Freedom Arms did, you know,
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of course, is rather than make it a six-shooter, they
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made it a five-shooter. It's five rounds in there. So
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they could have more steel around each of the chambers
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because it is a, the 454 Casull is a very
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high pressure cartridge. I mean, people think of the 44
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Magnum as being a big, this thing dwarfs it in
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terms of the amount of pressure it can handle.
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Yeah, the.
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454 Casull is 65,000 PSI, which is the same as
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your PRC cartridges.
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Same as the. 270 Winchester.
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Yeah, so it is a bottleneck, full-pressured rifle, you know,
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pressure-type stuff in a handgun.
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00:26:47.299 --> 00:26:48.119
Whereas your.
483
00:26:47.960 --> 00:26:51.099
44 Magnum, I think they've even backed it down. It's
484
00:26:51.180 --> 00:26:53.960
around 36,000 PSI. It's a huge difference, and it's a
485
00:26:54.019 --> 00:26:55.759
completely different world when it comes to.
486
00:26:55.740 --> 00:26:55.900
454 Casull.
487
00:26:57.140 --> 00:27:01.089
Having that five-shot cylinder does a couple things. Like you said, one,
488
00:27:01.109 --> 00:27:03.289
it gives you a lot more steel around the chambers.
489
00:27:03.890 --> 00:27:08.150
But having those odd chambers in the cylinder allows the
490
00:27:08.210 --> 00:27:11.970
bolt notches to be cut in between.
491
00:27:11.529 --> 00:27:13.829
The chambers instead of over the top. So it gives
492
00:27:13.849 --> 00:27:15.650
you more strength in your cylinder.
493
00:27:16.359 --> 00:27:19.359
And that's really where the pressure is going to be
494
00:27:19.380 --> 00:27:20.799
contained on those guns.
495
00:27:21.019 --> 00:27:23.690
So five-shot guns are really strong.
496
00:27:23.750 --> 00:27:25.910
They really are. One of the things that's nice, and
497
00:27:25.930 --> 00:27:28.490
you have been doing this. You've been working particularly with
498
00:27:28.529 --> 00:27:34.329
Ruger with a number of different single-action revolvers. And I'm
499
00:27:34.369 --> 00:27:36.579
sure people are thinking, why are you even bothering with that?
500
00:27:36.619 --> 00:27:39.960
The market is not there. But clearly, you're selling enough
501
00:27:40.019 --> 00:27:42.900
of them to make it worthwhile. You might just kind
502
00:27:42.940 --> 00:27:45.420
of go through some of the revolvers that you have
503
00:27:45.460 --> 00:27:45.880
worked up.
504
00:27:46.990 --> 00:27:49.420
Some of the ones that we've had a lot of
505
00:27:49.460 --> 00:27:53.700
success with would be the flat-top Ruggers, which flat-top was
506
00:27:53.740 --> 00:27:59.289
the original Ruger single-action they came out with in 1955.
507
00:27:59.390 --> 00:28:04.710
And the cool thing about the Ruger flat-tops and Blackhawks
508
00:28:04.769 --> 00:28:08.200
is they have adjustable sights, unlike your Colt single-action Army
509
00:28:08.220 --> 00:28:10.660
that has just a fixed sight. So it really turned
510
00:28:10.700 --> 00:28:15.099
those guns into more of a field-type gun, something you
511
00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:18.680
could carry in the backcountry, something you could hunt with, tune.
512
00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:20.690
It for whatever loads you want.
513
00:28:21.369 --> 00:28:24.009
And a byproduct of the rear design was that they
514
00:28:24.049 --> 00:28:24.950
were really strong.
515
00:28:25.069 --> 00:28:26.529
It was just a stronger.
516
00:28:26.130 --> 00:28:31.190
Design than the single-action Army Colt. Hand loaders figured out
517
00:28:31.230 --> 00:28:34.380
real quick that Those guns can handle a little bit
518
00:28:34.420 --> 00:28:38.230
heavier loads. And now even in the loading manuals, you'll see,
519
00:28:38.250 --> 00:28:41.670
you know, Ruger only. 45 Colt loads versus, you know,
520
00:28:42.109 --> 00:28:42.869
and stuff like that.
521
00:28:42.930 --> 00:28:44.670
And so really it takes a lot of.
522
00:28:44.650 --> 00:28:49.660
Those traditional revolver cartridges and puts them in a whole
523
00:28:49.700 --> 00:28:54.000
other category. when you pair them with a large-frame Blackhawk
524
00:28:54.059 --> 00:28:56.720
or Super Blackhawk revolver. So we've had a lot of
525
00:28:56.779 --> 00:29:01.259
success with that. Another great thing about the single-action is
526
00:29:01.299 --> 00:29:03.220
that you can do the convertible guns.
527
00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:04.740
So like your.
528
00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:09.769
45 Colt, they'll come with also an extra. 45 ACP cylinder,
529
00:29:09.789 --> 00:29:13.150
or your. 357s will come with an extra 9mm cylinder.
530
00:29:14.450 --> 00:29:16.170
And the cool thing about it in the single action
531
00:29:16.230 --> 00:29:17.819
is you don't need moon clips like you do in
532
00:29:17.859 --> 00:29:22.400
a double action. Because you're just, the ejector rod is,
533
00:29:22.460 --> 00:29:24.480
you're punching out through the center. You're not using an
534
00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:26.960
extractor star like in the double action revolver.
535
00:29:27.400 --> 00:29:30.019
So there's no need for moon clips. So if you
536
00:29:30.059 --> 00:29:30.900
take like a.
537
00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:34.190
357 Magnum Blackhawk with a 9mm cylinder, what.
538
00:29:34.109 --> 00:29:37.170
An awesome, versatile, hard gun. You've got something you can
539
00:29:37.250 --> 00:29:38.960
shoot cheap ball ammo in,. 38s.
540
00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:45.869
Or the heaviest. 357 Magnum, just a great all-around business revolver.
541
00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:49.710
All right, describe to me the Bisley grip and what
542
00:29:49.769 --> 00:29:51.210
it does. Where did it come from?
543
00:29:51.980 --> 00:29:54.549
Yeah, so the Bisley grip originated with Colt.
544
00:29:55.170 --> 00:29:57.829
Long story short was there was a lot of revolver
545
00:29:57.869 --> 00:29:59.650
competition that was held.
546
00:29:59.490 --> 00:30:02.730
In Bisley, England, at the Bisley Range in England.
547
00:30:02.750 --> 00:30:07.759
And so Colt, back in the late 1800s, developed a
548
00:30:07.859 --> 00:30:11.359
grip frame and hammer and trigger combination on the single-action
549
00:30:11.500 --> 00:30:15.319
Army that was designed to really be ideal for.
550
00:30:15.259 --> 00:30:17.960
That type of competition, the shooting style that they used.
551
00:30:18.869 --> 00:30:23.160
So fast forward a few years around in the 1920s,
552
00:30:23.309 --> 00:30:29.240
Elmer Keith, he worked with Custom Gunsmith, and they came
553
00:30:29.380 --> 00:30:34.759
out with his number five revolver. And they basically made
554
00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:37.259
it a Colt Bisley grip frame with a.
555
00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:40.509
Single action Army grip frame. It kind of made a hybrid.
556
00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:44.150
And that was kind of like the top of the
557
00:30:44.230 --> 00:30:48.730
line custom revolver for a long time. Well, fast forward
558
00:30:48.769 --> 00:30:52.269
to the 1980s, Bill Ruger, who was friends with Elmer Keith,
559
00:30:52.410 --> 00:30:55.470
he came up with his own Bisley grip frame that
560
00:30:55.529 --> 00:30:59.430
was kind of a progression from the Elmer Keith thing.
561
00:31:00.109 --> 00:31:04.109
It wasn't as an extreme grip angle as the original
562
00:31:04.190 --> 00:31:06.869
Colt Bisley, but it was a little bit more of
563
00:31:06.910 --> 00:31:11.250
a modified one. And what they found was that that
564
00:31:11.430 --> 00:31:14.230
grip frame being a little bit longer and a little
565
00:31:14.259 --> 00:31:20.200
bit more of a straight down grip, really handled recoil well. Well,
566
00:31:20.980 --> 00:31:23.859
it happened to coincide right about the time that John
567
00:31:23.920 --> 00:31:27.049
Linebaugh hit the scene and came out with the 500 Linebaugh.
568
00:31:27.710 --> 00:31:29.430
And so when those guns.
569
00:31:29.470 --> 00:31:32.960
He was building those guns, the 475s and the 500s,
570
00:31:32.970 --> 00:31:34.509
he was building them on Ruger Bisley's.
571
00:31:34.970 --> 00:31:35.940
And that really.
572
00:31:36.980 --> 00:31:41.930
became the de facto grip frame for any of the
573
00:31:42.009 --> 00:31:42.869
large stuff.
574
00:31:43.269 --> 00:31:44.730
But it also works great.
575
00:31:44.509 --> 00:31:47.009
With, you know,. 32 H & Rs and.
576
00:31:46.869 --> 00:31:48.230
357s or whatever else.
577
00:31:48.230 --> 00:31:49.789
44 Magnum, I'm sure.
578
00:31:49.789 --> 00:31:51.869
44 Magnum, any of them. I even got a couple
579
00:31:51.890 --> 00:31:52.690
single sixes in.
580
00:31:52.650 --> 00:31:55.960
22 with that grip frame as kind of a sub-trainer
581
00:31:56.019 --> 00:31:56.920
to my big guns.
582
00:31:57.480 --> 00:32:00.599
It really handles the recoil well. For me personally, I
583
00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:02.480
grip the gun a little bit better because I can
584
00:32:02.500 --> 00:32:04.859
get all my— my whole hand on the grip.
585
00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:07.109
Whereas a lot of times on the single action army
586
00:32:07.150 --> 00:32:10.809
style grip frame, your pinky has to almost curl underneath
587
00:32:10.829 --> 00:32:11.710
the grip.
588
00:32:11.829 --> 00:32:13.009
And that's not a good setup.
589
00:32:13.690 --> 00:32:14.309
Yeah.
590
00:32:14.430 --> 00:32:17.430
And it's just, it's, you know, it's, it's fine for
591
00:32:17.650 --> 00:32:19.220
if you, you know, if you kind of work.
592
00:32:19.099 --> 00:32:22.559
It out, but it's not ideal, especially for the heavy kickers.
593
00:32:22.819 --> 00:32:24.819
And so the Bisley just works a little bit better
594
00:32:24.859 --> 00:32:28.140
for me personally. Um, that hammer spur is also a
595
00:32:28.180 --> 00:32:30.640
little bit lower, so it's easier.
596
00:32:30.309 --> 00:32:33.769
To cock the hammer. Um, you know, in a field position.
597
00:32:34.289 --> 00:32:36.769
So it's just, it's something that's, it's kind of a
598
00:32:36.829 --> 00:32:39.829
nuanced deal, but for the guys who are really into.
599
00:32:39.569 --> 00:32:41.710
It, it's, it's a, it's a great choice.
600
00:32:41.730 --> 00:32:44.250
And I know you're, you're a member of the shootest
601
00:32:44.329 --> 00:32:46.549
group where you guys go out and it's kind of
602
00:32:46.569 --> 00:32:49.880
like an homage to Elmer Keith and Skeeter Skelton and
603
00:32:49.910 --> 00:32:53.339
some of the older gun writers and those guys. And
604
00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:55.839
you ring these guns out and kind of figure out
605
00:32:56.180 --> 00:32:57.980
shooting some of the old guns and then say, well,
606
00:32:58.019 --> 00:33:01.680
what could we do if we took that feature and
607
00:33:01.700 --> 00:33:06.640
that feature? And Jason, you're a real student of guns
608
00:33:06.700 --> 00:33:09.339
and the history of guns, but you also have the
609
00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:12.140
ear of the right people at the gun companies. And
610
00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:16.410
you go, hey, guys, what if we did this? And
611
00:33:16.430 --> 00:33:18.849
sometimes they say yes, and sometimes they go, well, Jason,
612
00:33:18.869 --> 00:33:20.710
that would be really dumb. We're not going to do that.
613
00:33:20.730 --> 00:33:20.809
Yeah.
614
00:33:23.390 --> 00:33:23.690
Yeah.
615
00:33:24.009 --> 00:33:27.009
Fortunately, they've said yes more than no in the past.
616
00:33:27.509 --> 00:33:28.849
But yeah, it is. The shoot is a.
617
00:33:28.809 --> 00:33:32.509
Great opportunity to go spend a week with some really
618
00:33:32.589 --> 00:33:35.910
dialed in guys. And it really started back in the
619
00:33:36.539 --> 00:33:40.099
late 1980s because back then, you know, people didn't have email.
620
00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:42.019
And stuff or long distance phone calls.
621
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:44.000
So it was a way for them to get together
622
00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:47.240
and kind of share what they have experimented.
623
00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:47.480
With during the year.
624
00:33:48.309 --> 00:33:50.369
And a lot of stuff, a lot of, you know,
625
00:33:50.390 --> 00:33:53.910
what we consider over-the-counter type stuff was being kind of
626
00:33:54.519 --> 00:33:58.079
bootstrapped back then by guys doing it the custom route.
627
00:33:58.519 --> 00:33:59.640
And we're still seeing that.
628
00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:03.079
We've got guys like Ronnie Wells at RW Grip Frames
629
00:34:03.140 --> 00:34:07.289
who's making some really cool different grip frames and hammers.
630
00:34:07.730 --> 00:34:10.369
Got guys like Bobby Tyler at Tyler Gunworks that are
631
00:34:10.809 --> 00:34:14.130
doing some really amazing stuff on custom guns with finishes
632
00:34:14.190 --> 00:34:14.670
and stuff.
633
00:34:14.710 --> 00:34:15.599
And a lot of that is.
634
00:34:16.460 --> 00:34:20.329
People giving feedback from what they've actually used in the
635
00:34:20.429 --> 00:34:25.349
field and then now putting it in custom guns, which
636
00:34:25.409 --> 00:34:28.230
has kind of trickled down into stuff.
637
00:34:28.010 --> 00:34:30.760
That we do as Lipsys at the factory level.
638
00:34:31.300 --> 00:34:34.360
So really stuff that was kind of, you know, what
639
00:34:34.380 --> 00:34:37.659
would have been a pure custom gun, say, 25, 30
640
00:34:37.659 --> 00:34:40.059
years ago, we've been able to do it where you
641
00:34:40.099 --> 00:34:41.019
can buy it over the counter.
642
00:34:41.039 --> 00:34:41.119
Yeah.
643
00:34:41.659 --> 00:34:44.269
And I'm thinking about that and what's going on with
644
00:34:44.329 --> 00:34:48.119
lever guns and the resurgence in interest in lever guns.
645
00:34:48.579 --> 00:34:50.500
And people say, well, why would I do that? And
646
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:53.260
the answer always ends up coming back to the same place,
647
00:34:53.300 --> 00:34:54.909
which is because it's fun.
648
00:34:55.550 --> 00:34:58.019
Levered guns, you know, it's one of those things, too.
649
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:00.659
There's a reason why those guns were so popular back
650
00:35:00.699 --> 00:35:02.519
in the day when people actually hunted.
651
00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:06.269
You know, they were actually on their feet. They were
652
00:35:06.409 --> 00:35:09.929
walking a lot. They were carrying a gun in their hands.
653
00:35:10.630 --> 00:35:15.010
And, you know, you take a slick Winchester 94, Merlin 336.
654
00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:18.900
and you carry it in the woods in your hands
655
00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:23.730
versus some of the 12-pound long-range rifles that we're seeing
656
00:35:23.769 --> 00:35:25.050
today that guys are shooting.
657
00:35:25.710 --> 00:35:26.670
And it's just night and day.
658
00:35:26.730 --> 00:35:30.130
I mean, you just want to carry that gun. Back
659
00:35:30.150 --> 00:35:32.150
when you were on horseback and stuff like that, you
660
00:35:32.170 --> 00:35:36.639
didn't want bolts hanging off the side or big, tall scopes.
661
00:35:36.739 --> 00:35:41.039
Well, they're trim. They feel almost alive in your hand.
662
00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:45.469
They do, and they throw up like a fine shotgun.
663
00:35:46.090 --> 00:35:48.769
They're just a blast to hunt with. I just came
664
00:35:48.829 --> 00:35:51.250
back from an event out at Gunsite where we had
665
00:35:51.309 --> 00:35:52.969
some lever guns out there that we're going to be
666
00:35:53.010 --> 00:35:56.550
announcing pretty soon. And, you know, we were walking the
667
00:35:56.590 --> 00:35:59.050
military crest deal, you know, which is kind of designed
668
00:35:59.139 --> 00:36:00.559
for kind of scout.
669
00:36:00.300 --> 00:36:01.380
Rifle type stuff.
670
00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:03.920
But we were shooting it with pistol caliber lever guns,
671
00:36:04.139 --> 00:36:06.280
you know, and hitting targets out to 200 yards with
672
00:36:06.340 --> 00:36:07.179
it pretty easily.
673
00:36:07.179 --> 00:36:07.360
200 yards?
674
00:36:07.380 --> 00:36:07.460
Yeah.
675
00:36:08.929 --> 00:36:13.869
Yeah, yeah, because those guns are just– when you're standing
676
00:36:13.969 --> 00:36:17.250
on your feet and you're shooting from field positions, lever
677
00:36:17.289 --> 00:36:21.130
guns just balance and shoot really well. They don't wear
678
00:36:21.190 --> 00:36:23.130
you out. They don't tire you out when you've been
679
00:36:23.230 --> 00:36:25.940
packing them around all day. It's just neat to see
680
00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:30.960
that there's been an increase in interest in those. Merlin
681
00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:36.289
can't keep up with 4570s and stuff like that. It's
682
00:36:36.349 --> 00:36:39.469
really fun to see people get exposed to it and go, man, wow,
683
00:36:39.489 --> 00:36:42.260
this is really a great hunting setup.
684
00:36:42.619 --> 00:36:45.840
You know, and it may not be your everyday carry
685
00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:49.400
for defensive use, but if you are somebody who walks
686
00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:51.989
around the woods or walks around a farm or a ranch,
687
00:36:52.389 --> 00:36:57.110
a single action revolver and a bell toaster is not
688
00:36:57.170 --> 00:37:00.590
just cool and fun, it's very useful.
689
00:37:01.139 --> 00:37:01.840
It really is.
690
00:37:01.860 --> 00:37:06.059
And again, you can carry a gun that has a
691
00:37:06.179 --> 00:37:10.300
lot of power in a very small package. We've got,
692
00:37:10.780 --> 00:37:13.179
and I've got one myself, we did a run of
693
00:37:13.739 --> 00:37:16.559
the large frame Ruger Bisley's with a three and three
694
00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:18.469
quarter inch barrel in.
695
00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:22.690
45 Colt and in. 44 Magnum. That gun is very trim.
696
00:37:22.789 --> 00:37:24.650
It's very easy to pack.
697
00:37:24.670 --> 00:37:24.739
Hmm.
698
00:37:25.449 --> 00:37:28.690
But I've got a gun that I can shoot a
699
00:37:28.690 --> 00:37:31.469
325-grain bullet at 1,200 feet per second out of.
700
00:37:32.670 --> 00:37:37.329
And you can't do that with a small double-action revolver.
701
00:37:37.369 --> 00:37:41.150
You surely can't do that with a semi-automatic. So there's
702
00:37:41.190 --> 00:37:44.380
a lot to be said about a really neat little
703
00:37:44.860 --> 00:37:47.800
single-action revolver. And quite honestly, Tom, when you go out
704
00:37:47.820 --> 00:37:50.480
to the range and shoot those guns, it's a ton
705
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:51.179
of fun.
706
00:37:51.260 --> 00:37:55.679
They're just a blast. You're not chasing brass to pick up.
707
00:37:55.980 --> 00:37:58.880
You know, 50 rounds takes you a lot longer to
708
00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:00.420
go through 50 rounds at the range.
709
00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:00.840
That's true.
710
00:38:01.019 --> 00:38:04.739
So ammo's tight. They're great to go out and learn from.
711
00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:07.559
The other thing we didn't mention is, generally speaking, all
712
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:10.079
the really good ones, they're spooky accurate.
713
00:38:10.619 --> 00:38:11.420
They really are.
714
00:38:11.530 --> 00:38:16.469
Well, for one, you're usually shooting a trigger pull that's
715
00:38:16.650 --> 00:38:21.269
pretty lightweight. The sights, especially on the Blackhawks and stuff
716
00:38:21.309 --> 00:38:22.730
and the Freedom Arms guns, are going to.
717
00:38:22.730 --> 00:38:25.510
Really give you a great sight picture. The guns are
718
00:38:25.690 --> 00:38:29.050
very easy to shoot well.
719
00:38:29.989 --> 00:38:33.349
You can buckle down and really get on the fundamentals
720
00:38:33.409 --> 00:38:34.070
on those guns.
721
00:38:34.570 --> 00:38:36.530
They're usually very accurate.
722
00:38:37.300 --> 00:38:40.219
They will show your flaws, but they will reward your
723
00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:41.079
good technique.
724
00:38:42.260 --> 00:38:43.480
Absolutely. If you kind of.
725
00:38:45.530 --> 00:38:47.219
Put the challenge out there.
726
00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:48.880
You got to grab one of your guns out of
727
00:38:48.920 --> 00:38:51.639
your safe and then shoot a target, you know, at
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distance with one shot, one handgun.
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It would be one of my single actions for sure.
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There you go. That wraps it up. Jason Clouster from Lipsys.com.
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Take a look at it.
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You guys have some really cool stuff. And I kind
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of gather, I'm not sure you meant to release it,
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but you're working on some lever guns. We're going to
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be hearing about before too long.
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Yeah, we should have something out coming out hopefully in October,
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early November.
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Sounds great. I can't wait.
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Thanks, Jason.
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Thanks, Tom. It's always good talking to you.
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All right, we're moving on with Six Gun Sunday. Some
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of them are five shots, but that's okay. And some
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are seven or eight shots. It's all about revolvers, double action,
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single action, and wondering. Did you start out with a revolver?
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Did you shoot revolvers early on or did you start
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out with your semi-autos? Just curious. Love to have you
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share those stories about some of those maybe early guns
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or just a cool revolver that you've shot. Give me
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a call at TomTalkGun. All right, there's a story that
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just broke this morning. I want to get to this
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out of Houma, Louisiana, not too far from New Orleans.
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Guy was arrested after a string of stabbings in a
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Houma neighborhood. It left four people dead and a child
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critically wounded. Four people dead. It's a weird story. Waiting
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for more information because they're saying, well, it wasn't random.
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This was a targeted attack. A little unusual. You don't
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usually get targeted attacks with a knife. But, you know,
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it is silent. And in the right circumstances, you could
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certainly slip up on people and and kill a bunch
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of people. Obviously, this guy did, at least it sounds
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like it. I was thinking about this and trying to
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figure out how do you explain the mindset that you need,
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we all need, of somebody with a knife. Yeah, and
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everybody knows, okay, the 21-foot rule and a guy with
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a knife can kill you and all that. And yet,
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I think there's still a hurdle you have to get over.
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You see a guy with a gun and you say, gun,
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And I may need to shoot him, and you're ready.
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You're quick. You're going, okay, I got to shoot this guy.
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He's coming at me. He's going to point a gun
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at me. Somebody's standing there with a knife, and you're thinking, well,
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it's a knife. I mean, in your head what goes
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on is you add the modifier. It's only a knife.
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But this guy just killed four people with a knife
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just arrested this morning. And I think what I'm going
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to try to encourage you to do is give some thought,
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work on that mental process. Do your pre-visualization of the what-ifs.
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If somebody's got a knife and they're coming at you
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or they're close to you and they pull a knife,
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you cannot hesitate. You got to hit the go button
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and go fast. And remember... You know, we talk about
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fast draw and our timers and our time, you know,
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to first shot and all that stuff. And all that's good.
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That's a good skill to have. But what's better than
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drawing fast? Rather than drawing faster, maybe drawing sooner. If
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you get ahead of the whole thing, you recognize what's
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going on and you get your gun out sooner. You
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don't have to be quite as fast, do you? There's
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nothing beats having the gun in your hand. That's the
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quickest draw there is. Already got the gun in your hand.
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And the way you get there is you understand what's
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going on and you recognize the threat. Because some people
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will see things and go, yeah, there was something weird
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going on, but they didn't recognize it as a threat.
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If it looks and feels weird at all, You probably
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should start to apply the idea that that could be
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a threat. Let's keep a real hard look at that.
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Let's just look. I don't care if you're staring at people.
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I don't care if you think, well, that'll make them
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feel uncomfortable.
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Who cares?
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You're trying to identify a threat. And then if it
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does go south and starts to really become a threat,
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you're already ahead of the curve. You've already put it
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into your head. You know what you're going to be doing.
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So I just want you to think about that when
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it comes to somebody with a knife. That is just
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as deadly an instrument as a firearm, okay? All right,
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here's what I want to do. Let's talk about revolvers.
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I just bought a new, to me, revolver, used, picked
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up on the used market. Freedom Arms. But, you know,
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I've got double-action revolvers. I've got.
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38s.
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I've got others. What do you have? What revolvers do
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you have? And do you ever carry a revolver for self-defense?
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Number here is TomTalkGun. And it's because I'm Tom. Be
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right back.