FKN Classics Double Feature! Dr Tom Zinser - MPD Entities | Cory Hughes - Assassins & Spycraft

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Enjoy these back-to-back classic forbidden knowledge news episodes. Today I
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want to welcome back to the show Dr. Tom Zinser.
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He is a hypnotherapist, spiritual counselor, and author of the
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Soul-Centered Healing Essay Series. He's currently retired from private practice.
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He was a clinical psychologist specializing in hypnosis and the
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treatment of dissociative disorders.
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Dr.
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Zinser, welcome back. How you doing?
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I'm doing just fine, Chris, and thanks again for having me.
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Ready to get into some questions of the universe, I guess.
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Oh, yes, yes, definitely looking forward to it. I really
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enjoyed our last discussion, and it was quite a while ago.
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So today I want to revisit some of your sessions
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with Catherine and Jared and further explore some of the
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incredible insights and information gained from those sessions and such
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as new understandings of dissociative identity disorder, as well as
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how the spirit realms intersect our reality and the powers
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of consciousness and its connections to the spiritual and even
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possibly what we might consider non-human intelligences. But we'll get
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to that if we can. So first, it's been a
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little while. Remind the audience just a little bit about
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yourself and your work and what brought you down your path.
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Well, I was a psychologist in the late 1970s, and
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I did hypnotherapy, worked with clients who had been traumatized,
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and basically what we call dissociative disorders, where parts of
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themselves kind of split off with the trauma and kind
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of hold it inside. And in 1987... a woman who
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worked in our office, the bookkeeper, Catherine, wanted to know
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if I would like to have a session with a
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spirit guide named Jared. And I'd never had anything like that.
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I agreed to it. And, of course, with Jared in
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the first session, I basically asked questions about my work.
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And Jared began to tell me information that... of what
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I would only say he perceived as psychic levels, as
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spirit levels, and he could read my client's soul in
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the present. This is what I found out over a
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few months. So Jared and Catherine and I agreed to
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form a collaboration so that in my work with clients,
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I would involve Jared and his information on a weekly basis.
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So I went back and forth between Jared and my
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clients for 15 years. And in that time, a kind
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of picture of the inner world and of the spirit
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world began to kind of come into focus. So for
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all those years, it basically was an exploration, an investigation
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of healing at the psychic spiritual levels using hypnosis, communicating
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with parts of the self, communicating with entities that were
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from outside the self. And the healing work really was
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always aimed at clearing blocks and bringing in the light
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love energy of one's own soul and of the divine.
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That was basically the ultimate goal all the time, bring
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in more light, release pain, become clear, confident, centered with yourself.
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So in a nutshell, that's.
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Excellent.
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Yes.
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Now, as far as your understanding of Jared and who
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or what this entity was, did you find out that
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this was at one time a human that was incarnated
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physically on this earth?
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Very early, Jared told me that he was a spirit guide.
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He was a soul, just as we are all souls.
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That he was created as a guide from the beginning
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and had never lived an incarnated life. But he did
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let me know that there were a couple times he
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manifested a physical body just in order to have the experience.
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That's not living a lifetime, though, is that? uh, very
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temporary state. Uh, so right from the beginning, he has
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been a guide.
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Now, is it always some sort of significant trauma that
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would trigger something like this dissociative disorders?
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Well, I would say first dissociative disorders have to be
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understood in terms of a spectrum. Um, And the term
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that I would use most frequently is subpersonalities. Now, sometimes
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they're called ego states, which I first learned about. That's
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the term I used. And in those clients suffering from
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dissociative identity disorder, they have been called alter personalities. And
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I'm going to use the term subpersonality for all of those.
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but there are different degrees. And what happens is, this
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is most often children and adolescents, because their ego identity,
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their ego defenses are not as well formed yet. But
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especially in childhood and adolescence, when there is trauma, and
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in this case, it means when the conscious self can
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no longer tolerate what is happening. Basically, they're having to
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just get out. There is a part of the mind
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I call the protective part of the mind. I think
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we may have talked about it last time, but we
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all have this protective part. And here's one of the
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difficult things with our present-day science and psychology. This protective
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part It is an active consciousness, but it is separate
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from our conscious self. And this protective part is always,
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always aware. And its first order of business is to
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protect the body, survival. But I look at the protective
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part as a kind of evolved survival instinct in the
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sense that it has developed psychological, emotional layers. So it will,
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whenever the self is under threat and overwhelmed, the protective
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part can trigger the creation of a subpersonality to take
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over in that moment and do whatever it can do
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to get the self safe. Once that's happened, and this
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conscious self can come back to awareness, it's safe to
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come back, that subpersonality will move to the unconscious level.
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And it needs to be understood that this is a
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conscious psychic being. It has a level of intelligence. It
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can communicate. And it is still alive within the reality
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in which it was created. So it's a very slim reality,
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but it is a conscious being. And in soul-centered healing,
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the first objective is to identify sub-personalities that have been
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operating at an unconscious level and getting triggered in the
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person's life. And often a person doesn't know why this
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is happening, why they're feeling what they're feeling or why
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they're thinking these things or why they're reacting is often
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because a subpersonality has been triggered and is reacting just
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like it did when it was first created. So that's
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kind of a sketch. We all have subpersonalities created. Go ahead.
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As far as this protective part of the mind goes,
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and even what you would consider spirit guides, is this
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something that we are initially incarnated into this reality connected with?
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As Jared explained to me, the protective part is a
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part of the physical body. When the body dies, that
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protective part will also dissolve. And I should bring in
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here I'm sure we talked about this, and that is
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the higher self. And the higher self is that part
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of us that is part of the soul, as Jared
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describes it. It's as if the soul projects a piece
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of itself into the person's present incarnation. So when we
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are born, that higher self has been created. and brought
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forward from the soul. So that is a part of
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the self which is also a separate consciousness. It's a
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high-level consciousness. It has a great deal of information. It
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is a constant connection to our own soul light. And
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it also has the ability to move into the soul
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to get information that may be needed in our healing work.
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So you have the protective part. It's part of the body.
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The higher self is not part of the body. The
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higher self will continue on with the soul, with ourselves,
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when we leave the body. So that's two different kinds
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of consciousness operating along with our conscious self. And then
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you have the subpersonalities. They too, as I said, are
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conscious and aware, but living in a very narrow reality
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until we make the contact. I had an elderly client
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once who... I forget the exact issue we were dealing with,
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but what I found with her in the hypnosis were
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a group of subpersonalities who shared with me that they
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were camping. They were in a camp out in the forest,
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had their own little camp. And again, this is because
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their consciousness created this. This is where they were living.
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And it's as if my voice broke into that world
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of of their campground. And that's when I began to
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talk to them. And they weren't quite sure who I
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was when I first announced myself. So in the healing work,
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we're entering into these realities with the subpersonalities. What we
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want to do is let them know that they can
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have light love energy for themselves right now, right as
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I'm talking to them, And if they agree to it,
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the higher self can bring them that light love energy
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right now. And once they receive that, they receive a
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greater understanding about healing. They feel this love and light
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energy and they let me know. And I would say
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this is 90.8% of the time. They do not want
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to be without that light love energy once they have
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felt it. So when they have, it's much easier for
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them to share that trauma that they're carrying inside. And
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when they share that to the conscious mind, it's as
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if that pain energy has now gone full circuit and
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that subpersonality can release that pain, fear, hurt, anger, whatever,
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It's caring and it can move to a place of
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integration within the self. So that's a real thumbnail sketch. Yeah.
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Now, to what extent do you believe that these sub
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personalities are conscious and even aware of themselves? Do you
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believe that they are that they believe they're living a
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full life? human incarnation here, or do you, do, are
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they aware that they are in a way sub personalities?
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How does that work?
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Uh, most of them are not aware. They're not aware
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of themselves as individuals. They're not aware of present reality.
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It's as if they are living in an eternal present. Um,
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if a child, for example, um, a parent got extremely
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angry at them and really kind of emotionally attacked them,
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they may be overwhelmed and a personality created to take
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over right then. That sub personality is going to live
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in that moment. That's what its world is. And in
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the future, if somebody gets really angry at the person,
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that sub personality may be triggered Because it has felt that.
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It has gone through that. And so now it's being
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triggered and it's reacting again. It is not aware. It
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does not live a lifetime. It's living in that kind
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of present moment to itself until it is able to
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share and release and move out of that. It can
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move out of that moment. But they're not creative. As
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Jared has said to me, these are not creative beings.
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They also do not realize they have choice. Again, living
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in this eternal present, they're not thinking and active and
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living like we think about. But they don't understand that
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they have choice. They do not understand the power of
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their own consciousness. But when we make contact with them,
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and they receive light, they begin to, in a sense,
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awaken more to who they are and the choices they
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have to receive light, to be released, to integrate into
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a comfortable, light-filled place within the self. They don't know
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that until we come and let them know.
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Now, is it possible that a subpersonality can be triggered
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by illicit substance use, drugs, something other than what you
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would consider traditional trauma or even dark occult practices.
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Well, dark occult practices, you're going to be talking about trauma.
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As far as others, what I would say, Chris, is
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We can't define trauma from the outside. Trauma is the
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experience of the individual. You can have a kid trip
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on the steps, kind of hit their head, but somehow
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be so terrified about what happened, it can create a subpersonality.
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Another kid trips, hits the step, and it's all right.
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He's up, and for one, it's a trauma. For another,
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it isn't. So when we talk about somebody taking drugs,
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for example, talking to an older person, 18, 20 years old,
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if they take a psychedelic, for example, a mind-altering drug,
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it can create an experience that is so confusing, so frightening,
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upsetting to the person that it is traumatic. And there
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may be a dissociation and another part will take over
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at that moment, again, doing what it can to resolve
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the problem. So, to answer your question more technically, people can,
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I believe, create these subpersonalities intentionally. with their own energy
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and consciousness. But that's kind of getting into a different area.
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It's an important one. In the Eastern tradition, they have
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entities called tulpas. These tulpas are created by the person's consciousness,
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and they are believed to be, and I think it's true,
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they are separate psychic beings. So it's not like this
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is new.
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Something you would also call an egregore?
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You know, that's a good question.
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Because I've heard that these are also similar to tulpas
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or probably the same things. If we give something enough
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thought and energy or fear that it can manifest in
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our consciousness as something that is very real for us
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and affects our lives in physical ways at times. Hold on, Dr.
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I can't hear you. I don't know what happened there.
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I'm registering here that the mic's on. Can you hear
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me now?
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Yes, I can hear you now.
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Okay.
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Okay. Chris, I would have to look at this more closely.
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An egregore, as far as I understand, is like a
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collective energy.
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Mm-hmm.
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Where a group of people in their thought, their thought
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energy and collective energy form this kind of almost a separate, limited,
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but a consciousness and a kind of collective energy. I
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haven't read. egregore applied to just an individual creation, an
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individual's creation. But certainly there are things like thought forms.
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And a person can create thought forms that continue to
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affect them. But thought forms can also be injected from
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the outside. And a person may, as they're growing up,
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there may be certain thought forms that kind of take
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root and may continue to affect them. This would be
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something so that can be discovered in the hypnosis. Um,
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if we ask about a particular issue and it involves
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a thought form, higher self can usually identify that it
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is a thought form that's, uh, active here.
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Now is do you also run into things like spirit
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attachments and how can you tell the difference if there
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is one.
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Um i run into spirit attachment all the time and
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i would say it this way there are spirit attachments
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and there are spirit intrusions And spirit attachment is, in
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a sense, they don't enter into your energy, but they
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interact with you and they can stay attached and interact
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at that psychic level. There are other entities who actually
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enter into your soul level energy. And in that sense,
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they are operating from within your energy. When you're working
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with someone, And there is a spirit or spirits, plural, involved.
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Higher self is the one. For example, somebody says they
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have this problem. They got these voices. They are constantly
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berating them. And they don't know how to stop these voices.
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I would ask higher self, please look inside and find
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the source of these voices for Joe Smith. And first finger,
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higher self, let me know when you have found that cause.
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Higher self lets me know it has found that. I
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will bring that one forward and communicate with them. And
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I will ask them, do you know that you are
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part of this self and soul that I'm working with?
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And they may say no. I'll ask higher self whether
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this one I'm talking to is separate from the self soul,
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from the client. So there is a process of identifying
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who we're working with. Is this a part of my client?
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And it's one of these subpersonalities that affects them? Or
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has there been outside interference going on here? Or both?
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Because these subpersonalities are one of the primary vulnerabilities to
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outside interference. These spirits will usually attach or enter a
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person at the point of a subpersonality that the spirit
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can be aware of an issue. One example I use
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often is Jared. I was working with a man probably
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in his 50s. who identified a 12-year-old angry subpersonality.
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And he.
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Was blocked from the light, couldn't receive the light. I
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finally would ask Jared about it. And Jared said the
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problem was that this 12-year-old was carrying a pocket knife
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in his pocket. And that as long as he had
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that pocket knife, he was going to be blocking the
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light because the pocket knife had been given to him
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by an outside dark spirit. And when this boy accepted
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the knife with the idea that it would be protection
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for him, but he accepted that knife, he was bringing
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in that spirit's energy device. And as long as he
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held that device in his pocket, that spirit had an
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access to him and through him, maybe to other levels
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of the self. So these kind of devices are typical,
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but they also can, these spirits can access the person,
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especially through the subpersonality's emotion. You have a subpersonality who
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is enraged angry, maybe had been abused, and when it
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was created, it was enraged. An outside spirit may use
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that rage to enter, to use it as a doorway
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and enter into that, kind of by connecting to that
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anger energy. So we got both going on, parts of
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the self, entities that are separate from the self, and
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outside entities are a whole range of different kind of beings.
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Now, I want to get to that in a minute,
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but first you were saying that your mediator for even
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the subpersonalities as well as non-human entities is always the
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higher self. You're always asking the higher self to mediate
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and identify these things.
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I would say most of the time. I may be
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working with a subpersonality who's quite frightened, and that subpersonality
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is will tell me that there's somebody else in the
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room with him. And so I'll ask higher self to
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take a look, see if higher self can find that one.
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So I get information. So I would say most of
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the time, either I'm using higher self to identify who
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and what I'm dealing with, or I identify somebody and
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I'm asking higher self to confirm for me what I'm learning.
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So one way or the other, higher self, is usually
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right there.
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Now, could you possibly give some examples of instances where
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you were dealing with something that was not necessarily a
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part of that human consciousness, but had expressed itself in
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a way that you were able to find out that
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it was indeed a non-human? And maybe some examples of
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some experiences like that.
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Well, first I'll tell you the kinds of entities run
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the gamut. Most of what I would talk about are
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separate souls and they can be either spirits, maybe off
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planet beings, dimensional beings, created entities. So you've got a
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lot that you have to identify. But I worked with
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a woman once where over a number of sessions in
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her dreams, but also in my work with her, we
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had this character continue to show up. Excuse me. She
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would describe him and how he was dressed and basically
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came to call him the gray man. And this gray
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man was showing up so often that I at first
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thought he was a sub personality. And finally, he showed
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up so often in different situations that I found out
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working with higher self that he was a spirit. And
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he was a spirit who had not gone to the
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light when his body died. And he was a spirit
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who also his soul was had shared a number of
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lifetimes with my client. And so he recognized her soul,
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and he, in a sense, formed this ongoing interaction with her.
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And so he became known to us as the gray man,
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and I had to work with him to finally help
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him to receive light, help him know it would be
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safe for him to go to the light now. And
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he finally did. There's spirits like that you may find
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when you're working with subpersonalities, they continue to block your work.
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So when you identify them, it's not like you give
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them a name. They often, many take human form because
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they've had a human experience. Some do not take human form.
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Some can take an animal form or creature form. Some
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may be only a voice that the subpersonality hears. So
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I don't get kind of these detailed descriptions. But once
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I communicate, once I can establish communication with them, what
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I developed are the protocols on how to communicate to
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these beings to make it safe for them to receive
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the light, to look inside and reconnect with their own
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light if they're a soul, and this whole issue that
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they can go to the light if they choose to.
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And if they have scares about that, some of them do.
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They're often angry at God or afraid of judgment or
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they're too ashamed. I can let them know that there
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are high-level guides in the light who are willing to
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step forward and communicate with them more information and knowledge
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about what's happened to them and about the place of
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light waiting for them. And once we get to that point,
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they're usually ready to go. Sometimes they leave and go
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to the light before I'm even done with my spiel.
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Now, this objective to go towards the light, this is
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across the board. It works with any type of entity
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that you come across?
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It doesn't. It works with spirit beings, any spirit being.
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There are spirits that try to stay close to Earth
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because they're afraid when they die, so the spirit doesn't
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go to the light. There are other spirits who don't
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want to go to the light, and they're kind of sophisticated.
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They can travel around. And then there are dark spirits. So, again,
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there's all kinds that might come into play. Then you
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have off-planet beings and you have dimensional beings who, it's
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difficult with our language, but I consider them to be incarnate.
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They are not ready to go to the light and
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dwell there like a spirit and in a sense maybe
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prepare for reincarnation. But when I'm communicating with these beings,
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they can't receive contact from the light and from guides.
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And so I do the same thing with them, kind
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of negotiate contact with the higher level guides so that
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they understand the situation. And when they understand the situation,
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that they are intruding on my client, that they're interfering,
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that this is not something my client's soul is in
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agreement with at this point. Once they understand that, they
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are usually and voluntarily will leave my client. Now, I've
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had a few clients who did not want to break
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that contact and wanted to continue carrying on in those relationships,
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in which case that's what we do. It's the client's choice.
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Most of the time, I would say it's going to
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be an interference, but There are positive situations.
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Now, I'd love to get some examples of the different
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types of entities, like you said, extraterrestrial or dimensional, that
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you may have encountered.
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Chris, when I started, and I, through Jared, learned about
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a spirit and worked with the spirit and Jared again
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was teaching me how to deal with them. In the first,
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I would say, six, nine months when I made contact
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with some separate entities, my idea was I am going
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to be able to categorize these entities. So I might
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be able to come up with there are three extraterrestrial species,
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there are these kinds of dimensional beings and that's within
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a few years, it was clear to me that there
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were more species and more beings than I was ever
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going to categorize. The second part of this is when
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I worked with these beings in hypnosis with the clients,
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the goal was healing and treatment. It was not exploration
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and investigation. So when I dealt with these beings, there
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were not questions on my part about who are you,
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how do you live, what's your existence like, how many
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are there, the whole bit. That was not the purpose
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of my work. So there were too many to categorize.
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And my concern was that my client be cleared of
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this interference. So my working with these beings was almost
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always a kind of one-to-one situation with the client and
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exactly who the interruption or interference was. The next client
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may be a whole different story.
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Now, were you ever able to decipher the purposes that
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interdimensional or extraterrestrial beings were attaching or inhabiting the soul
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of a human?
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There were a number of agendas going on depending on
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who the beings were. What I will call off-planet beings,
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or we would call extraterrestrial, and that does not take
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in all the territory. There were agendas like observing humans
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over long periods of time through families. and collecting data,
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learning about humans. There were other beings who were carrying
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out hybrid experiments where you hear of humans being abducted,
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and they will describe what seems to them that they
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were on like a surgical table or had procedures being done.
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These turn out often to be hybrid situations where a
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sperm or egg is taken and a hybrid being is
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created and incubated over time. There are agendas where these
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beings will follow a soul through lifetimes. For example, a
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client may have had an experience with one of these
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beings in a lifetime 300 years ago. When this person,
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my client, is approached by these beings, that experience that
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they hold within their soul, my client, that's the part
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that starts to respond to these beings. And I probably
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should bring in here These entities, any of them, they
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are not free just to intrude and invade the soul.
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They have to have some kind of permission. And the
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issue is there are what Jared called backdoor permissions. So
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for the example I gave about the spirit who was
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going to help this little 12-year-old by giving him a knife,
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but also then gaining access, this is an agreement. That
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child took the knife. Didn't know he was making an agreement,
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didn't know who this being was, what it was about,
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but he accepted the knife. And the spirit will take
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that as an agreement and then instigate this connection. So
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this kind of permission is necessary. So when I talk
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about these, say an extraterrestrial group making contact with a
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client and they will connect with that part that's 300
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years ago in the soul, that was a permission and
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now they're contacting it in the client's present life And
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that permission still stands. So when we work with a
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person in healing and we terminate these connections within the
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self soul of the client, we also work with higher
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self to identify any accesses that these beings have used
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to make that contact. So whether it's in this lifetime,
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whether it's a past lifetime, Higher self will help find
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the access so we not only help remove these beings,
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we also close any doors that have been left open.
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Have you experienced any instances where it was a purely
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of a benevolent nature that these spirits were attached are
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part of a sub personality?
482
00:39:46.539 --> 00:39:50.880
I would say I've run into a number of spirits,
483
00:39:51.019 --> 00:40:00.199
even extraterrestrial, who were well-intentioned. They did not mean harm.
484
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:05.599
They were either about their agenda or there were some
485
00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:09.380
lower level kind of spirits who were trying to help
486
00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:15.650
a client. So there is that. But in those cases
487
00:40:15.769 --> 00:40:22.730
as well, those beings usually do not understand the effect
488
00:40:23.510 --> 00:40:29.349
their connection or inhabitation with my client is having on
489
00:40:29.389 --> 00:40:33.690
the client. So when I'm communicating with them, I help
490
00:40:33.710 --> 00:40:38.289
to make it clear to them that they are creating difficulties.
491
00:40:38.829 --> 00:40:40.949
So you would say even the most benevolent type of
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00:40:41.010 --> 00:40:45.130
spirit attachment is or entity that is attached to your
493
00:40:45.150 --> 00:40:48.070
soul in some way could be a hindrance or a problem.
494
00:40:51.750 --> 00:40:57.159
Very early on, Chris, Jared said to me that these
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00:40:57.719 --> 00:41:04.960
connections by extraterrestrials, by dimensional beings, he did not see
496
00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:10.300
them as a positive development. And again, he was not
497
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:12.530
saying they were evil. Not all of them.
498
00:41:12.550 --> 00:41:12.849
Some are.
499
00:41:14.269 --> 00:41:18.630
And that they, again, were meaning harm. But Jared said
500
00:41:18.710 --> 00:41:23.869
his view was that they were an interruption or an
501
00:41:24.010 --> 00:41:31.869
interference with my client's soul blueprint for this lifetime. Now,
502
00:41:31.969 --> 00:41:37.159
I would qualify it by saying there are people who,
503
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:44.730
before incarnation, have made agreements to have these experiences once
504
00:41:44.769 --> 00:41:49.269
they incarnate. And often it may be to help resolve
505
00:41:49.329 --> 00:41:53.530
issues that the soul has been caring about these contacts
506
00:41:53.929 --> 00:41:57.289
or these connections. So I don't want to make this
507
00:41:57.349 --> 00:42:04.639
kind of an absolute statement. There can be plans to
508
00:42:04.699 --> 00:42:09.050
have these kind of engagements in one's lifetime. But usually,
509
00:42:09.090 --> 00:42:14.699
Jared was saying, they're not positive. They can throw the person,
510
00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:16.059
in a sense, off track.
511
00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:20.059
Now, have you had... Oh, I'm sorry, go ahead.
512
00:42:21.039 --> 00:42:21.960
No, go ahead, go ahead.
513
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:24.659
I was going to ask if you have had any
514
00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:31.010
instances where you absolutely could not convince the subpersonality or
515
00:42:31.170 --> 00:42:36.039
even spirit to vacate or leave the person where it
516
00:42:36.659 --> 00:42:38.039
just flat out refused?
517
00:42:40.219 --> 00:42:43.340
Okay, first of all, subpersonality, we do not want that
518
00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:44.440
to leave the person.
519
00:42:44.940 --> 00:42:45.199
Okay.
520
00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:52.170
It will integrate with that conscious self. And, you know,
521
00:42:52.210 --> 00:42:58.210
we've not talked about past life subpersonality shit. But these,
522
00:42:58.909 --> 00:43:02.829
to your question, Yes, I've had a number of very
523
00:43:02.949 --> 00:43:11.599
dark spirits who refused and continue to refuse, wanting to
524
00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:15.760
carry this fight on right down to the end that
525
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:20.280
they were not going to leave. And in that case,
526
00:43:23.170 --> 00:43:26.949
I will usually, you know, you make the contact with
527
00:43:26.969 --> 00:43:29.659
the higher self, which is the light. I will make
528
00:43:29.699 --> 00:43:34.659
contact with the client's higher level guides who are from
529
00:43:34.699 --> 00:43:38.679
the light. And I know that my client is the
530
00:43:38.780 --> 00:43:41.679
one with the final choice here. That is a tremendous
531
00:43:42.099 --> 00:43:46.150
power to be aware of. So in that sense, I
532
00:43:46.230 --> 00:43:48.090
know these beings are going to leave one way or
533
00:43:48.150 --> 00:43:53.250
another once my client at that deep level makes the
534
00:43:53.329 --> 00:43:57.110
choice for them to be gone. In this case, it
535
00:43:57.170 --> 00:44:01.849
might be finding a past life sub personality who's been
536
00:44:01.869 --> 00:44:05.469
kind of hoodwinked into this. I will help them to
537
00:44:05.530 --> 00:44:09.670
understand what's happened and get them to the point where
538
00:44:09.750 --> 00:44:14.119
they make the choice that they want to end this connection.
539
00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:18.239
So whenever there's one of these or more than one,
540
00:44:18.280 --> 00:44:24.630
a group that are refusing to vacate, uh, We will
541
00:44:24.670 --> 00:44:28.010
press it to find accesses, and we will press it
542
00:44:28.449 --> 00:44:35.889
to find out who's given the permission, usually unconsciously, and
543
00:44:35.909 --> 00:44:41.860
have them make a new choice. Once those accesses are closed,
544
00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:45.860
once the ones involved have chosen that they want these
545
00:44:45.940 --> 00:44:50.460
beings gone, these beings will be removed if they do
546
00:44:50.500 --> 00:44:54.590
not leave. And I have had a number of situations
547
00:44:55.090 --> 00:44:58.570
where we have had to call in guides to come
548
00:44:58.630 --> 00:45:01.340
right down to the line, kind of between light and dark,
549
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:07.380
and force these beings out. That's not happened too often.
550
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:11.239
We don't usually get to that point. But it has happened.
551
00:45:12.610 --> 00:45:17.869
These beings, these beings are usually under the direction of higher-ups.
552
00:45:18.929 --> 00:45:27.179
There is usually a hierarchy. And that creates complications. It's
553
00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:30.579
a little more work to get to that point where
554
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:34.070
the choice can be made to cut. But that's what
555
00:45:34.230 --> 00:45:36.429
we work for, to get to that point.
556
00:45:36.610 --> 00:45:40.889
You're saying some of these entities are working for higher
557
00:45:40.949 --> 00:45:48.219
level entities when inhabiting or infecting a person's subpersonalities.
558
00:45:49.929 --> 00:45:55.969
There's no question about mine. These souls in darkness, as
559
00:45:56.010 --> 00:46:03.010
Jared has said, these spirits, dark spirits, are souls. And
560
00:46:03.210 --> 00:46:08.730
as souls, they still carry the light inside them. But
561
00:46:08.789 --> 00:46:11.679
this light has become so covered over in terms of
562
00:46:12.050 --> 00:46:15.739
the experience that they've had to finally move into darkness,
563
00:46:16.460 --> 00:46:20.519
that they do not even remember their own light. So
564
00:46:21.420 --> 00:46:26.860
in that sense, I know from the beginning that if
565
00:46:27.059 --> 00:46:33.730
I can convince them to reconnect, even touch, their own
566
00:46:33.829 --> 00:46:37.150
inner light, they will remember who they are.
567
00:46:37.969 --> 00:46:42.489
As far as the past live subpersonalities, I'd love to
568
00:46:42.530 --> 00:46:46.219
hear a little bit more about this and how these
569
00:46:46.340 --> 00:46:51.849
can become... part of a person's subpersonality and maybe some
570
00:46:51.909 --> 00:46:55.329
examples of how you've reintegrated these?
571
00:46:58.489 --> 00:47:01.199
Well, that's a great question because it's a very important
572
00:47:01.420 --> 00:47:08.599
question often in people's healing. But the example I usually use,
573
00:47:09.139 --> 00:47:12.760
if I were to die today and I had subpersonalities
574
00:47:13.739 --> 00:47:18.159
created out of trauma who had not been resolved, and
575
00:47:18.199 --> 00:47:24.110
we're still frightened or terrified or still angry. When my
576
00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:29.309
body died and I left, the soul left and was
577
00:47:29.369 --> 00:47:35.530
returning to the light, these subpersonalities who are unresolved, as
578
00:47:35.590 --> 00:47:40.789
Jared said, they continue to have free choice. And often,
579
00:47:42.710 --> 00:47:46.590
as the soul is going into the light, these subpersonalities
580
00:47:46.650 --> 00:47:50.909
will refuse to go because they know the light is
581
00:47:50.949 --> 00:47:55.360
going to bring up their trauma. It's going to have
582
00:47:55.420 --> 00:47:58.420
them remember the pain or the hurt or the fear.
583
00:47:59.840 --> 00:48:04.389
Jared said because they have free choice, the soul will
584
00:48:04.489 --> 00:48:08.250
respect that and it will create, in a sense, a
585
00:48:08.349 --> 00:48:12.489
pocket space where these subpersonalities can be placed in this
586
00:48:12.610 --> 00:48:17.989
pocket and kept from the light because that's their choice.
587
00:48:19.570 --> 00:48:26.820
And then when the soul reincarnates and it's moving into
588
00:48:26.860 --> 00:48:31.900
this dense reality, into the human body, Jared said that
589
00:48:32.019 --> 00:48:37.460
pocket opens back up as it approaches this physical reality
590
00:48:37.739 --> 00:48:43.059
in which these past life subpersonalities were created in this
591
00:48:43.659 --> 00:48:48.539
kind of reality the pocket will open back up and
592
00:48:48.599 --> 00:48:54.039
these subpersonalities from past life will in a sense be
593
00:48:54.119 --> 00:49:00.340
within the field of this conscious person and if certain
594
00:49:00.420 --> 00:49:07.320
things happen in the client's life that similar or the
595
00:49:07.420 --> 00:49:13.639
same as was experienced by a past life subpersonality, that
596
00:49:13.719 --> 00:49:23.780
can trigger that subpersonality to come forward now into the present. So, again,
597
00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:27.599
it's one of those things where a person, something happens
598
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:31.960
and they react in a rage and they don't understand why.
599
00:49:32.659 --> 00:49:37.300
They may have four or five subpersonalities who carry that
600
00:49:37.380 --> 00:49:41.130
same kind of energy and And now all these energies
601
00:49:41.710 --> 00:49:46.170
are coalescing together and the client feels all of that
602
00:49:46.230 --> 00:49:51.590
come together. So you've got present life subpersonalities, past life
603
00:49:51.610 --> 00:49:57.380
subpersonalities carrying the same issue and reacting to an event.
604
00:49:58.400 --> 00:49:59.780
And that can be pretty powerful.
605
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:06.579
Yeah. Now, one of the most disturbing parts of what,
606
00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:13.429
is being done by some high-level groups such as three-letter agencies,
607
00:50:13.849 --> 00:50:18.489
black project groups, especially the older projects like we hear
608
00:50:18.550 --> 00:50:24.090
in MKUltra where they were intentionally splitting people's personalities and
609
00:50:24.210 --> 00:50:29.440
using this for nefarious purposes such as assassins, sex pods,
610
00:50:29.539 --> 00:50:35.570
different type of CIA or black operations that unfortunately folks
611
00:50:35.610 --> 00:50:39.210
were being used and their personalities were being split up
612
00:50:39.329 --> 00:50:43.929
using very nefarious methods, such as what we know as
613
00:50:44.030 --> 00:50:48.250
satanic ritual abuse. Now, have you ever worked with anybody
614
00:50:48.289 --> 00:50:51.280
that may have been a victim of some of these practices?
615
00:50:53.500 --> 00:50:59.239
Yes. Um, I've worked with a couple of people who
616
00:50:59.780 --> 00:51:02.340
were subjected to MKUltra.
617
00:51:03.420 --> 00:51:03.679
And as.
618
00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:14.750
Children. You know, I really do not know the extent
619
00:51:14.829 --> 00:51:21.769
to what extent these things were done to adults, but
620
00:51:21.889 --> 00:51:26.050
also to children. I don't know the extent of these experiments.
621
00:51:29.110 --> 00:51:34.780
I would consider them not only dark, but evil. And
622
00:51:35.780 --> 00:51:40.539
it pains me to think about our government having carried
623
00:51:40.699 --> 00:51:47.829
out and maybe still involved with what are called black ops.
624
00:51:48.630 --> 00:51:52.130
This is very dark stuff to control other human beings
625
00:51:52.170 --> 00:51:55.570
in this way. And one of those is the one
626
00:51:55.590 --> 00:52:03.250
you're pointing out. is to inflict intentional trauma in order
627
00:52:03.349 --> 00:52:08.820
to split, create a dissociative personality. Now, I don't know
628
00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:15.219
the extent. Like you hear about the kind of assassin,
629
00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:20.010
I forget what they call them.
630
00:52:21.010 --> 00:52:21.650
Super soldiers.
631
00:52:21.690 --> 00:52:22.900
I don't know the extent of it.
632
00:52:23.329 --> 00:52:23.570
Yeah.
633
00:52:24.449 --> 00:52:27.760
Assassins or super soldiers, yeah. Manchurian candidates, yeah.
634
00:52:28.519 --> 00:52:29.659
Yeah.
635
00:52:30.179 --> 00:52:32.900
I don't know the extent to what this is that
636
00:52:33.380 --> 00:52:37.860
this has happened or is happening. It concerns me a
637
00:52:38.059 --> 00:52:43.880
great deal that I don't know all of what they
638
00:52:43.940 --> 00:52:48.679
are into. It disturbs me.
639
00:52:51.630 --> 00:52:56.050
As far as the instances that you've worked with, what
640
00:52:56.110 --> 00:53:01.300
extent were the people affected by subpersonalities, and did it
641
00:53:01.380 --> 00:53:06.940
go beyond human spirits or human subpersonalities? Did it go
642
00:53:07.099 --> 00:53:10.340
to what you would consider non-human entities with some of
643
00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:11.940
these MKUltra cases?
644
00:53:13.659 --> 00:53:14.929
You mean creating of entities?
645
00:53:14.969 --> 00:53:18.210
Yes. Or....
646
00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:26.440
I guess the first thing I would say is not
647
00:53:26.519 --> 00:53:30.699
only did I become aware of the government's involvement in
648
00:53:30.780 --> 00:53:34.369
these kind of activities, I did work also with a
649
00:53:34.530 --> 00:53:38.309
number of cult victims, whether you want to call it
650
00:53:38.329 --> 00:53:41.869
satanic or devil worship, whatever you want to call it.
651
00:53:43.750 --> 00:53:47.489
It was very dark energy they were involved in. And
652
00:53:47.510 --> 00:53:55.219
the cult victims, activities, practices, rituals, were also designed to create,
653
00:53:55.320 --> 00:54:00.610
many of them, were designed to create, again, dissociative personalities.
654
00:54:02.869 --> 00:54:06.610
It made me wonder, after a number of years of
655
00:54:06.670 --> 00:54:10.489
seeing this, it made me wonder whether there were people
656
00:54:10.570 --> 00:54:14.840
involved in the government who learned about these things, did
657
00:54:14.900 --> 00:54:17.639
these things, and in a sense went out on their
658
00:54:17.780 --> 00:54:22.119
own and continued to practice these things on their own
659
00:54:22.219 --> 00:54:26.289
with groups of people, it's almost as if this knowledge
660
00:54:27.449 --> 00:54:32.949
of using drugs and trauma to dissociate personalities, it's almost
661
00:54:32.989 --> 00:54:38.739
like that became knowledgeable among a number of people. And
662
00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:41.900
it spread. I wonder if it spread.
663
00:54:41.920 --> 00:54:43.940
I just.
664
00:54:46.380 --> 00:54:49.829
It just... disturbing kinds of stuff.
665
00:54:52.409 --> 00:54:56.679
And what would you say is the largest number of
666
00:54:56.840 --> 00:55:02.019
sub personalities that you found in one single subject.
667
00:55:07.119 --> 00:55:09.579
Well in talking about one of these subjects right now
668
00:55:09.639 --> 00:55:13.340
that we've been talking about there were thousands oh wow
669
00:55:14.409 --> 00:55:20.079
it's almost as though what they went through triggered a
670
00:55:20.139 --> 00:55:26.239
mechanism that was almost operating automatically. So that the splitting
671
00:55:28.440 --> 00:55:33.170
was almost not continuous like every minute, but in their life,
672
00:55:33.530 --> 00:55:39.949
that splitting became an ongoing thing. So it's that protective
673
00:55:40.010 --> 00:55:42.730
mechanism in a sense was turned on its head and
674
00:55:44.019 --> 00:55:50.929
just ran rampant. That is, again, one of the kind
675
00:55:50.949 --> 00:55:51.889
of consequences.
676
00:55:52.349 --> 00:55:55.670
Now, I remember you were telling us last time you
677
00:55:55.730 --> 00:56:01.070
were on about some sort of gatekeeping entity that prevented
678
00:56:01.130 --> 00:56:04.949
you from going any further with a certain client. Could
679
00:56:04.969 --> 00:56:07.010
you remind us a little bit about what happened in
680
00:56:07.050 --> 00:56:07.630
that incident?
681
00:56:09.170 --> 00:56:13.219
Well, this is before I met Jared. And this woman
682
00:56:13.239 --> 00:56:20.110
had been diagnosed officially as multiple personality, now called DID,
683
00:56:21.389 --> 00:56:25.210
dissociative identity disorder. And I was working with her in
684
00:56:26.829 --> 00:56:30.900
what my therapy at that time was ego stage, subpersonalities.
685
00:56:31.179 --> 00:56:33.539
That's what I was dealing with. Parts of the client.
686
00:56:35.179 --> 00:56:40.139
And she was a cult victim. And I was working
687
00:56:40.840 --> 00:56:43.590
in my office. I was communicating with to one of
688
00:56:43.630 --> 00:56:48.090
the split-off personalities. I think at that time the one
689
00:56:48.150 --> 00:56:50.650
I was talking about was called the Daughter of Darkness.
690
00:56:51.949 --> 00:56:55.679
So that was a part of my client created during
691
00:56:55.739 --> 00:57:00.980
a cult ritual. When I was communicating to her in
692
00:57:01.019 --> 00:57:05.880
my office now, she came forward. I was asking her
693
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about what happened to her. What was her experience? What
694
00:57:10.059 --> 00:57:13.960
did she go through? And as she began to share
695
00:57:14.019 --> 00:57:18.199
with me what happened, all of a sudden, this other
696
00:57:18.469 --> 00:57:26.190
entity broke in. Her face changed. Her voice changed. Her demeanor,
697
00:57:26.210 --> 00:57:30.670
the way she was sitting, it all changed. And this
698
00:57:30.809 --> 00:57:34.880
entity that was looking at me, as I said, it
699
00:57:34.960 --> 00:57:36.579
put the hairs on the back of my head up.
700
00:57:39.480 --> 00:57:44.380
I didn't know what this was. This being told me
701
00:57:44.860 --> 00:57:49.340
that we would go no further, no more questions. And
702
00:57:49.420 --> 00:57:53.679
it was blocking that subpersonality from coming forward with me again.
703
00:57:53.699 --> 00:57:58.760
I didn't know what to do. But it's the first
704
00:57:58.860 --> 00:58:02.780
time I truly suspected that this entity was not part
705
00:58:02.820 --> 00:58:06.320
of my client. I didn't rule out that it could be,
706
00:58:06.760 --> 00:58:10.179
but I just felt I wasn't talking to my client.
707
00:58:10.900 --> 00:58:13.769
And this is what happened. But this is one of
708
00:58:13.809 --> 00:58:17.889
the things that ultimately led you to become curious about
709
00:58:17.929 --> 00:58:20.530
what was happening with Jared and what he was telling you, right?
710
00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:27.699
Absolutely. I went to the library after that. And I'm
711
00:58:27.739 --> 00:58:31.480
thinking this lady might be possessed. So I went to
712
00:58:31.500 --> 00:58:34.760
the library trying to find everything I could on the
713
00:58:34.800 --> 00:58:40.920
psychology and possession and treatment exorcisms. And then in the library,
714
00:58:40.980 --> 00:58:46.619
I find all this information material about all kinds of psychic, paranormal,
715
00:58:46.739 --> 00:58:52.500
spiritual events. And so it was opening my eyes. It
716
00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:56.989
didn't answer my questions about who this was, but it
717
00:58:57.090 --> 00:59:01.289
opened me up to all of these phenomena that were
718
00:59:01.329 --> 00:59:02.550
being reported.
719
00:59:03.190 --> 00:59:07.710
You never revisited that case after you had more insight
720
00:59:07.769 --> 00:59:09.070
into what was going on, did you?
721
00:59:11.059 --> 00:59:19.280
I did not um what happened was that this client
722
00:59:20.800 --> 00:59:23.199
in one in one of my sessions afterwards this was
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after that happened uh let me know that um My
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family was being observed that they knew where my wife was,
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where my kids were on a particular day and told me,
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this client told me that information. And basically they had
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been observing my home and over several days. When I
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found that out, I told my client I had to
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terminate the therapy. I could not risk. This was my family.
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So it didn't, that's where it was left.
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Oh yeah. I can't blame you for that one, man.
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That is scary. Well, let's, let's spend the last few
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minutes we have on this. Do you think that our
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modern medical and academia medical professionals that we have in, in,
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in our modern times will ever, take any of, of
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what's your research and take any of this seriously. Do
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you have any, any hopes that this could eventually be
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considered by our mainstream science and academia?
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Well, Chris, you're, you're opening up a topic. I've, you know,
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I retired four years ago. This, this is the topic
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that has probably taken a lot of my time and attention.
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I would say, that the scientific world and the medical
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world being part of that is resisting, tremendous resistance to
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these realities. And I look at this as the paradigm
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that runs our society and our culture and has for
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a few hundred years now. However, I believe we are
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coming to the point where there is enough information, there
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is enough data, there are enough eyewitness and self-reporting people
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who have experienced these things that these realities, in my mind,
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are irrefutable. This is where I would look at the
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scientific world the medical world included, the psychiatric world included,
752
01:02:04.739 --> 01:02:12.440
is what we might call willful ignorance. Meaning there is
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enough data to say, hey, something is going on here.
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And unless we recognize other dimensions, we cannot explain these
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things otherwise. And until we acknowledge that there are other
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dimensions of consciousness and being and reality, we are not
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going to be able to move forward in the way
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we need to to understand who we are and what
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we're capable of. I tend to look at this as inevitable.
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I better rephrase that. I don't know if we are
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going to make that transformation, that transition, because it will
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change the consciousness of our culture. It's a whole different
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world to be thinking this way. I don't feel there's
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any guarantee we're going to make that transition into that
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level of consciousness. I hope we do. I certainly believe
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we can.
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Well, what do you think about the notion that the
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reason Most likely the biggest reason we haven't already crossed
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that bridge is because there's free energy implications behind that
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understanding of different dimensions and different realms and the energy
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that could surround us at all times. And of course,
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they don't want us to have our hands on free
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energy because we wouldn't have to rely on daddy government
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and those in control to provide everything for us. we
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would be able to do a lot of that for
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ourselves and that might be one of the biggest reasons
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why that's not being explored.
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Chris I think that is one but I think there
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are many in our culture who want to protect the
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status quo because so much is at stake for so
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many people it's the way we live this is our
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world and Well, we're talking about this changing consciousness will
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change not only the issue about energy. It will change
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the structure of institutions or lead to the creation of
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new institutions. It will change how we see ourselves and
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how we see our reality. These beings that exist, and again,
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I'll call them off-planet beings. The question in my mind is,
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Are we as a society willing to form a communication
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with these beings that will be transparent, public, and carry
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on a communication with them? And I believe that there
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can be those conditions to allow that to happen. And
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once we do that, once people understand there are other
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levels of consciousness and being, We are going to transcend
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our ego psychology. We are so focused in the ego
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kind of consciousness. That's why I say these different levels
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within ourselves that are different levels of consciousness, we can't
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even begin to deal with that. So I see this
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as a big, big issue, and we're in it.
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Well, we're definitely living in very interesting times. I am
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very hopeful because of the amount of people who are
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becoming more curious about these things and seemingly aware. So
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that's very encouraging. And Dr. Zinsser, thank you so much.
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This was fantastic. I would love to do it again
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in the future for sure. Before you go, let the
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audience know about your website and anything else you have
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out there that they can access.
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Well, my website is at www.soulcenteredhealing.net. And I have a
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new website being built right now. So you may find
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yourselves in between. The old website is still up. And
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hopefully the new one is going to be a little
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better organized, a little everything in order. Like I said,
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I do not... I retired from clinical practice, so I
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do not see clients any longer. I have trained a
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number of individuals. Their names and contact info will be
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on the new website. Meanwhile, I am trying to do
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some writing on the paradigm shift itself, and I am
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preparing the materials that I've put together over these 35 years,
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so hopefully they'll be passed on in a way that's understandable.
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So I'm trying to organize.
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All of that.
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Excellent.
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Doctors, today I want to welcome back to the show
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Corey Hughes. He is an author, researcher, and host of
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Bloody History, Understanding Propaganda, and co-host of Day Zero. Corey,
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welcome back. How you doing?
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Excellent. Good to be back.
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Yeah, it's great to have you. And you're putting the
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finishing touches on your book right now, A Warning from History.
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And this provides one of the most in-depth analysis, not
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only of the events surrounding the assassination of JFK, but
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even identification of some of the most critical players involved.
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And you've been coming on periodically and sharing pieces of
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the puzzle, breaking down the event that really paved the
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way for what we now know as the New World Order.
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And I'm not sure exactly where we left off last time,
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but where should we begin with this today?
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Well, let me just give you a little bit of...
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I'll give you a little background and history on how
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the book actually came along. I've actually been working on
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the writing of the book for... Well, I wrote about
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two chapters when you and I were living in Denver
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about two years ago, but then I didn't write anything
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else until March of last year. And so it's been.
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It's been as nonstop as I could possibly make it
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because when you write a book, you have to go
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back and you might know it all in your head,
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but you have to go back and you have to
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double check your research. You have to double check and
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pull your references. You have to do a lot of
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stuff that causes you to spend more time researching, again,
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stuff you've already done than actually writing words on paper.
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So that's been a very frustrating part for me because
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you think you have it in your head and you
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can just, oh, I can just go and write it
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all out. No, there's so much to it that you
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have to actually go back and you have to double
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check yourself. And there's been a lot of times when
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I'm like, well, how do I know this? I know
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that I know this, but how do I know this?
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And so then I'll have to go back and I'll
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re-research how I know something, right? So it's been a
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long process, but in doing it the way that I have,
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the book has kind of written itself. It kind of
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went in its own directions. When I sat down, I
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started to write a book on, I wanted it to
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be the definitive book on everything. And then I realized
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that's not possible. I mean, you would have 15 to 20,000
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pages on print if you were to write a book
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01:09:41.289 --> 01:09:44.270
that had everything, right? So you really need an encyclopedia
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for that. So then I started to focus just on
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the shooters and And then in doing that, I had
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to prove how I know these were the shooters. And
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then from that, it shows the relationships back to all
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the key people, because obviously this is the largest conspiracy ever.
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And that all of these various paths from the shooters
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01:10:00.180 --> 01:10:05.819
reverse engineered all merge at a specific point, right? So
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that's one theme of the book. And the other theme
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of the book is showing that Oswald is mostly a construct.
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He is mostly a figment of someone's imagination. where they
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took a real person who was working for intelligence who
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had defected to the Soviet Union, probably under a program
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called Redskin. There was a number of programs stretching from
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1955 through the assassination in 1963. For the most part,
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a lot of these programs came to an end. These
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programs to try to get a spy into the Soviet Union.
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They took a number of different paths, right? Obviously, Oswald
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was a false defector. They had other programs that would
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involve legal travel. They would have other people who were
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former residents of Lithuania and Latvia and Estonia, some of
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the Baltic regions. They would have people who grew up there,
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who left, became American citizens. They would have them go
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back to these countries and act as spies, right? So
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when you study the Redskin program, you'll find that there's
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really a series of programs between 55 and 63 that
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cover their attempts at getting spies into the Soviet Union.
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And really, it fell under about a dozen different programs, A.E. Balcony, A.E. Root.
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There were a whole bunch of them. And so this
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came to a screeching halt by the time of the assassination.
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It seems like they started to wind this stuff down
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at the end of June 1962. And then what happened
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a week later? A week later, after they wind down
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these A.E. Balcony-related programs and A.E. Root-related programs and Redskin Projects,
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One week after they end the program, Oswald comes back
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from the Soviet Union, right? So the timing of his
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coming back coincides with the ending of these programs. And
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when you come to understand the nature of these programs
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and how in-depth they were and what they were doing,
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they were tracking U.S. citizens who were going to these countries, right?
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So if you lived in America and you traveled to
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these countries, they knew who you were and they were
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keeping tabs on you under the guise of these, what
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I would call, redskin projects. So the idea that Oswald
913
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would be able to go there, defect, and he wouldn't
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be under their watchful eye going back till 1959 when
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he got into the Marines and these programs were obviously
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going on. It seems like he was groomed from day
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one to be specifically a part of this Redskin program.
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When you say Oswald, are you talking about the original,
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the Root Oswald? Okay, because I know there's plenty of
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doubles that have come after.
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Here's the problem. There probably is no Root Oswald. There
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probably isn't. And really to comment on that, we have
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alleged birth certificates saying he was born to Marguerite Oswald
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and Robert Lee Oswald. But there's only one picture has
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ever shown up of Robert Lee Oswald, and he looks
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almost identical to an FBI agent in Dallas named J.
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Walton Moore. So it's really weird. I don't understand how
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they do this.
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Which Oswald is the most famous face that we all recognize,
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the one that we both have on our T-shirt that
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we see– Mostly featured in the mainstream media. Is that
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the root, the real Oswald, do you think?
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Definitely not. 100% not. So from what I can tell,
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the original real Oswald, born to the original Marguerite Oswald,
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who had a brother, Robert Oswald, who had a half-brother
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named John Pick. This person, up through the age of 12,
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is pretty standard. But once you get to the age
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of 12, you'll start to find duplicate records of Oswald
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having been in different schools. When like, for example, he
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went to PS 44 in Manhattan that is confirmed. He
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went to PS 44 in Manhattan and it was called
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PS 44 because it was the 44th school in that
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Manhattan district. Okay. There are teachers there who knew him there. However,
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At some point in time, the record was obfuscated, and
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he then all of a sudden appeared at PS44 in
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another borough. I think it was in Queens. So when
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you study the official record, it says that he was
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at Queens, PS44. But the other PS44 is where he
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01:14:22.609 --> 01:14:25.289
really went to school, right? So these kind of shenanigans
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go back to the time Oswald was 12 up in
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New York. They continue when he comes back to New Orleans,
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where when he goes to middle school in the 1954
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school year, he allegedly goes to Beauregard. And we have
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eyewitnesses that knew him at Beauregard, friends that knew him
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at Beauregard. We have well documented in the official story
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that he went to Beauregard. However, while he was going
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to Beauregard, there was a Lee Harvey Oswald who went
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with a mother named Margarita Oswald, who went to Stripling
959
01:15:00.350 --> 01:15:04.270
Junior High School in Fort Worth. OK, so we have
960
01:15:04.329 --> 01:15:08.409
the school. We have acknowledgement from the vice principal of
961
01:15:08.489 --> 01:15:12.310
the school who handed the records off to the FBI that, yes,
962
01:15:12.369 --> 01:15:14.390
he saw with his own eyes the records that Lee
963
01:15:14.430 --> 01:15:17.550
Harvey Oswald went to stripling during the first six weeks
964
01:15:18.090 --> 01:15:21.409
of of that school year. But at the exact same time,
965
01:15:21.470 --> 01:15:23.909
he was enrolled and never missed a class while he
966
01:15:23.949 --> 01:15:25.760
was at Beauregard in New Orleans.
967
01:15:25.810 --> 01:15:25.949
Right.
968
01:15:25.979 --> 01:15:29.520
So we have these like duplicate records starting in New York,
969
01:15:29.600 --> 01:15:34.189
continuing to New Orleans showing that way before the assassination,
970
01:15:34.609 --> 01:15:36.989
way before he was even in the Marines, there was
971
01:15:37.909 --> 01:15:43.630
some kind of program designed to keep and maintain a
972
01:15:44.149 --> 01:15:48.090
person under a sink, two people under one identity, right? Now,
973
01:15:48.130 --> 01:15:50.010
why would you want to do that? Why would you
974
01:15:50.029 --> 01:15:53.880
have two people under one identity? Well, John Armstrong's theory
975
01:15:53.989 --> 01:15:57.439
on this is that part of these programs that were
976
01:15:57.479 --> 01:16:00.510
going on at this time, These A.E. Root and A.E.
977
01:16:00.630 --> 01:16:05.359
Balcony type programs that they were trying to get a
978
01:16:05.380 --> 01:16:08.340
spy in the Soviet Union. However, they were using a
979
01:16:08.460 --> 01:16:11.300
child who had been plucked from an Eastern Bloc country
980
01:16:11.340 --> 01:16:16.739
who spoke fluent Russian. Right. So imagine you have another
981
01:16:17.020 --> 01:16:20.050
child around 12 years old. You bring him to America.
982
01:16:20.310 --> 01:16:24.590
He speaks both fluent Russian and fluent English. And you
983
01:16:24.649 --> 01:16:27.930
raise him under the name of a child who already exists.
984
01:16:28.649 --> 01:16:28.949
All right.
985
01:16:29.770 --> 01:16:35.609
Then when you get to the Marines, there is clear
986
01:16:35.750 --> 01:16:39.609
evidence that there's the same shenanigans going on. Duplicate records
987
01:16:39.630 --> 01:16:42.949
of Oswald having been at the language school in Monterey
988
01:16:43.810 --> 01:16:47.930
as having been in certain Marine squadrons, but then duplicate
989
01:16:47.970 --> 01:16:52.390
information about Oswald having been in other Marine squadrons and
990
01:16:52.569 --> 01:16:56.260
other classes at Monterey, right? So there's There's evidence that
991
01:16:56.300 --> 01:16:59.890
there were two Lee Harvey Oswalds, even in the Marines. Now,
992
01:16:59.949 --> 01:17:02.369
if you're talking now, who's who's pulling one over on
993
01:17:02.390 --> 01:17:06.449
the Marines? Nobody. This is an intelligence operation. To me,
994
01:17:06.489 --> 01:17:09.069
it's clearly an intelligence operation. And then you have Lee
995
01:17:09.109 --> 01:17:12.479
Harvey Oswald eventually defect to the Soviet Union. Right now,
996
01:17:12.720 --> 01:17:15.579
imagine this. They the original child who they plucked from
997
01:17:15.600 --> 01:17:18.420
the Soviet Union or whom wherever who spoke the fluent Russian,
998
01:17:18.739 --> 01:17:22.220
they now send back to to the Soviet Union as
999
01:17:22.279 --> 01:17:22.770
a spy.
1000
01:17:22.779 --> 01:17:23.229
Right. Right.
1001
01:17:23.770 --> 01:17:27.449
Now, my theory is that in a perfect world, he
1002
01:17:27.489 --> 01:17:31.869
would have just disappeared into the Soviet Union somewhere. Right.
1003
01:17:32.170 --> 01:17:33.689
And then the Russians would have been like, where's Lee
1004
01:17:33.710 --> 01:17:36.770
Harvey Oswald? And then here in America, they're like, what
1005
01:17:36.789 --> 01:17:39.510
are you talking about? We got Lee Harvey Oswald right
1006
01:17:39.550 --> 01:17:43.829
here in America while the spy is out invisible because
1007
01:17:43.869 --> 01:17:46.649
he's using a duplicate identity in the Soviet Union. Right.
1008
01:17:46.670 --> 01:17:49.020
So that's my theory on what the plan was supposed
1009
01:17:49.060 --> 01:17:52.460
to be. But it didn't go that way.
1010
01:17:52.750 --> 01:17:54.170
I want to ask you not to go off on
1011
01:17:54.250 --> 01:17:57.109
too much of a tangent here, but have you found
1012
01:17:57.130 --> 01:18:02.319
that it's been harder to find documentation and actually do
1013
01:18:02.380 --> 01:18:06.699
hard research into some of these topics surrounding the JFK assassination,
1014
01:18:06.739 --> 01:18:09.300
especially in the post-COVID era?
1015
01:18:11.779 --> 01:18:17.800
Yes, yes, yes, for sure. So archive.org, which is what
1016
01:18:17.840 --> 01:18:20.390
I used for most of my research for years, has been...
1017
01:18:20.720 --> 01:18:22.890
It's compromised. I don't know how else to put it.
1018
01:18:23.979 --> 01:18:28.039
It's all compromised. When I first started going there five
1019
01:18:28.079 --> 01:18:30.819
years ago or more, because I used it casually before
1020
01:18:30.859 --> 01:18:34.109
I started my hardcore research, it was easy. I would
1021
01:18:34.149 --> 01:18:36.930
put in a name of a subject, like Carrie Thornley
1022
01:18:37.010 --> 01:18:39.329
or whatever, Jim Garrison. I'd put it in there, and
1023
01:18:39.409 --> 01:18:44.489
I would get a very good Google algorithm-based search of
1024
01:18:44.529 --> 01:18:46.430
their site that would have all the documents and all
1025
01:18:46.449 --> 01:18:47.779
the stuff that I need, and it would come up perfectly.
1026
01:18:48.199 --> 01:18:50.340
Now it's virtually impossible to find stuff, even if I
1027
01:18:50.380 --> 01:18:53.500
know where it is. I have to save specific links
1028
01:18:53.520 --> 01:18:55.560
to specific documents because if you try to find them
1029
01:18:55.579 --> 01:18:58.859
within their own search function, you can't. You get drowned
1030
01:18:58.880 --> 01:19:04.850
with nonsense. I've also found at newspapers.com, particularly when all
1031
01:19:04.890 --> 01:19:08.479
the COVID stuff started, if you were to search for
1032
01:19:08.579 --> 01:19:11.020
COVID stuff, if you were to search for like coronavirus
1033
01:19:11.399 --> 01:19:13.960
stuff that was going back to the seventies, right? For
1034
01:19:14.020 --> 01:19:17.039
newspaper articles, what you would be, what we would find
1035
01:19:17.439 --> 01:19:22.170
is that you were drowned in clippings because you can
1036
01:19:22.189 --> 01:19:24.789
go into newspapers.com and cut clippings. And then all those
1037
01:19:24.810 --> 01:19:27.430
clippings become publicly available if you allow them to be
1038
01:19:27.449 --> 01:19:29.869
publicly available and they would be incorporated into search results.
1039
01:19:30.689 --> 01:19:34.279
I found in the coronavirus stuff, I would find hundreds
1040
01:19:34.399 --> 01:19:37.159
of pages of clippings before it ever even got to
1041
01:19:37.239 --> 01:19:39.380
any of the original articles. So there was an obvious
1042
01:19:40.600 --> 01:19:44.560
intent to take the available search engines out there that
1043
01:19:45.579 --> 01:19:47.939
are good for one specific thing and make them harder
1044
01:19:47.979 --> 01:19:53.449
to use. Archive.org is virtually impossible to use now. So
1045
01:19:53.529 --> 01:19:55.189
what I ended up doing is I just pulled the
1046
01:19:55.229 --> 01:19:59.630
original batch documents from Garrison and Wiseburg. And I just
1047
01:19:59.649 --> 01:20:03.020
pulled the original documents and keep them myself. And retitlement,
1048
01:20:03.039 --> 01:20:07.000
all that. Because trying to find them is virtually, it's
1049
01:20:07.039 --> 01:20:08.979
become a needle in a haystack. They're making it harder
1050
01:20:09.020 --> 01:20:10.199
intentionally to find this stuff.
1051
01:20:10.640 --> 01:20:14.100
I've spoken with a few guests over the past few
1052
01:20:14.199 --> 01:20:18.289
months that have similar theories about what's happening with these
1053
01:20:18.350 --> 01:20:23.109
search engines and the combination of this AI chat GPT
1054
01:20:23.149 --> 01:20:28.470
type technology where it's just, it's possibly being integrated with
1055
01:20:28.550 --> 01:20:32.600
the search engines to only bring up the information that
1056
01:20:32.659 --> 01:20:37.180
is approved by our authorities and government and any other
1057
01:20:37.239 --> 01:20:41.189
type of research that goes against the agendas, that goes
1058
01:20:41.689 --> 01:20:44.569
against any type of narrative, that it won't show up
1059
01:20:44.609 --> 01:20:45.550
in the search engine.
1060
01:20:46.750 --> 01:20:52.829
So I tell everybody, when it comes to research, I
1061
01:20:52.869 --> 01:20:56.289
only read certain particular books. I try to get the
1062
01:20:56.350 --> 01:20:59.779
vast majority of my information direct from documents. Like forget
1063
01:20:59.819 --> 01:21:02.699
about people's opinions. Just go right to the original root documents.
1064
01:21:04.140 --> 01:21:08.020
And sorting through these documents has been most certainly become
1065
01:21:08.819 --> 01:21:16.789
a lot harder. I will say that all of the
1066
01:21:16.850 --> 01:21:20.949
information that people need to come to conclusions, especially in
1067
01:21:20.989 --> 01:21:23.449
historical documents, like the ones that I deal with, the
1068
01:21:23.590 --> 01:21:25.829
answers are all there. It's just a matter of being
1069
01:21:25.890 --> 01:21:28.479
able to interpret it, right? These documents are like a
1070
01:21:28.760 --> 01:21:31.859
3D puzzle, you know, and you can have pieces in
1071
01:21:31.939 --> 01:21:35.579
place and you can have big gaps, but based on
1072
01:21:35.600 --> 01:21:38.239
the positioning of certain pieces of the puzzle, you can
1073
01:21:38.260 --> 01:21:40.920
be like, oh, now that I understand this relationship here,
1074
01:21:42.319 --> 01:21:45.340
I can see what should fit over in this piece
1075
01:21:45.380 --> 01:21:48.220
over here that's missing, right? And so that, the best
1076
01:21:48.260 --> 01:21:52.250
way to really come to understand anything historically, because all
1077
01:21:52.270 --> 01:21:55.210
this stuff can be found in genealogies. When you go
1078
01:21:55.229 --> 01:21:59.409
through genealogies, you'll find relationships between players in Kennedy that
1079
01:21:59.550 --> 01:22:01.880
like you never thought would be there. And that opens
1080
01:22:01.949 --> 01:22:03.119
up whole new perspectives.
1081
01:22:03.180 --> 01:22:03.359
Right.
1082
01:22:03.420 --> 01:22:07.140
So what I tell everybody is like the best, the
1083
01:22:07.159 --> 01:22:10.520
best sources of information for any kind of research are
1084
01:22:10.640 --> 01:22:16.369
in the genealogy websites, like like Ancestry and all that stuff.
1085
01:22:17.609 --> 01:22:24.729
And was archive.org and newspapers.com newspapers.com is probably still the
1086
01:22:24.789 --> 01:22:28.180
best because This is another thing. A lot of people today,
1087
01:22:28.319 --> 01:22:32.300
they don't know what to censor from 50 years ago.
1088
01:22:33.800 --> 01:22:35.579
There are certain big things that I can tell you.
1089
01:22:35.600 --> 01:22:37.779
So everyone freaks out over the Kennedy documents that they're
1090
01:22:37.800 --> 01:22:40.560
still withholding. Let me tell you this. The Kennedy documents
1091
01:22:40.579 --> 01:22:43.720
they're withholding are not a smoking gun for anything. They
1092
01:22:43.739 --> 01:22:45.500
could give you all of them and most people would
1093
01:22:45.560 --> 01:22:47.600
read them and not have a goddamn clue what they
1094
01:22:47.640 --> 01:22:49.800
are really telling them. But I'll tell you what they're
1095
01:22:49.819 --> 01:22:51.979
really telling them. They're really telling them the story of
1096
01:22:52.020 --> 01:22:57.350
a relationship between Jack Valenti, David Morales... Charles the Blade Taurine,
1097
01:22:57.489 --> 01:23:00.449
and a guy named Harry Haller or Harry Hall. Those
1098
01:23:00.630 --> 01:23:05.369
four personnel records are the closest thing to smoking guns
1099
01:23:05.409 --> 01:23:07.510
that they're going to find. I've looked at the list
1100
01:23:07.550 --> 01:23:10.960
of things they're withholding. All four of those things directly
1101
01:23:11.020 --> 01:23:15.039
connect to Jack Valenti's activities that were somewhat illicit. So
1102
01:23:15.060 --> 01:23:17.380
this guy, Harry Hall, who was a somewhat mob guy,
1103
01:23:18.560 --> 01:23:23.630
somewhat CIA guy, he was friends with Joe DiMaggio, and
1104
01:23:24.119 --> 01:23:28.579
there's an interesting story about him that he had told
1105
01:23:28.720 --> 01:23:32.659
one of his mob buddies that he was going to
1106
01:23:32.699 --> 01:23:35.649
be on TV because he was going to be at
1107
01:23:35.689 --> 01:23:40.430
the funeral of Marilyn Monroe. Right. And they're like, yeah,
1108
01:23:40.449 --> 01:23:41.010
you're full of shit.
1109
01:23:41.109 --> 01:23:41.310
Right.
1110
01:23:41.350 --> 01:23:43.770
So, and sure enough at the funeral of Marilyn Monroe,
1111
01:23:44.109 --> 01:23:46.890
Harry Hall shows up there as a guest of Joe DiMaggio.
1112
01:23:47.470 --> 01:23:50.310
Now who's Harry Hall. Harry Hall is a fucking guy
1113
01:23:50.750 --> 01:23:53.689
who was in tight with all these Chicago guys and
1114
01:23:54.520 --> 01:23:57.140
but he was such a lying scumbag drifter that what
1115
01:23:57.180 --> 01:24:02.930
he did was he, somehow he got some letterhead from
1116
01:24:02.979 --> 01:24:07.850
the white house with Jack Valenti's information on it, right?
1117
01:24:07.890 --> 01:24:11.670
Jack Valenti's printed letterhead from the white house. And he
1118
01:24:11.850 --> 01:24:14.350
used it to try to set up a deal to
1119
01:24:14.510 --> 01:24:20.680
buy some weapons and Jeeps, some sort of military surplus
1120
01:24:21.100 --> 01:24:22.840
that he was trying to pull some kind of scam
1121
01:24:22.859 --> 01:24:25.649
out And then like sell to Cuba or something like that. Right.
1122
01:24:26.390 --> 01:24:32.170
And so that led directly to Jack Valenti's aliases. Right.
1123
01:24:32.449 --> 01:24:34.590
One of the aliases Jack Valenti used, I forget the
1124
01:24:34.609 --> 01:24:36.229
last name, but it was Pierre something.
1125
01:24:36.710 --> 01:24:36.909
Right.
1126
01:24:36.970 --> 01:24:39.710
And so then I find that Jack Valenti's letterhead is
1127
01:24:39.750 --> 01:24:42.430
connected to Harry Haller and Harry Haller was having this
1128
01:24:42.510 --> 01:24:45.939
deal with Pierre somebody. And I'm like, holy shit, Jack
1129
01:24:45.949 --> 01:24:47.880
Valenti and Harry Hall were involved in some kind of
1130
01:24:47.920 --> 01:24:52.140
scam while Jack Valenti was in the White House. Un-fucking-believable.
1131
01:24:52.180 --> 01:24:52.380
Right.
1132
01:24:52.439 --> 01:24:57.020
So all of the Harry Hall stuff is still withheld
1133
01:24:57.420 --> 01:25:00.300
in the Kennedy files. I wonder fucking why, because it
1134
01:25:00.340 --> 01:25:03.699
will show the relationship with Jack Valenti and that whole incident, right?
1135
01:25:03.939 --> 01:25:05.800
And so that'll out Jack Valenti as not having been
1136
01:25:05.819 --> 01:25:08.590
this saint that they made him out to be. Then
1137
01:25:08.619 --> 01:25:13.770
you have the David Morales files. David Morales, probably the
1138
01:25:13.869 --> 01:25:17.829
most hardcore, I mean, total shitbag human being, but probably
1139
01:25:17.890 --> 01:25:21.939
the most devastating, like, like when you think hardcore CIA
1140
01:25:21.979 --> 01:25:24.220
willing to do anything, kill anyone kind of guy, that
1141
01:25:24.260 --> 01:25:26.680
was him. He was the epitome of the on the ground,
1142
01:25:27.159 --> 01:25:30.899
you know, mercenary thug. And he was on the secret
1143
01:25:30.939 --> 01:25:33.270
service car with Jack Valenti when Jack Valenti fled from
1144
01:25:33.310 --> 01:25:35.550
Dealey Plaza after shooting Kennedy from the grassy knoll.
1145
01:25:35.890 --> 01:25:36.090
Right.
1146
01:25:36.270 --> 01:25:39.550
So the David Morales files, which I pray to God,
1147
01:25:39.590 --> 01:25:41.909
there's at least like a hundred thousand pages of files
1148
01:25:42.010 --> 01:25:45.359
on him. I fucking would, I hope there's that much
1149
01:25:45.659 --> 01:25:48.890
because I would love to get my hands on that. But, That, again,
1150
01:25:49.109 --> 01:25:52.850
will show the relationship with Jack Valenti. Same thing with
1151
01:25:52.909 --> 01:25:55.630
Charles the Blade Turing. He was a hitman for the mob.
1152
01:25:57.109 --> 01:25:59.670
And I have found his name associated with some of
1153
01:25:59.729 --> 01:26:02.569
Jack Valenti's aliases. But that's all the information I have
1154
01:26:02.630 --> 01:26:04.569
on him. But then when you look at the JFK files,
1155
01:26:04.949 --> 01:26:06.949
a bunch of stuff on Charles the Blade Turing is
1156
01:26:06.989 --> 01:26:10.430
still withheld. So to me, all this stuff just connects
1157
01:26:10.470 --> 01:26:13.069
back to Jack Valenti. They did release some of the
1158
01:26:13.310 --> 01:26:16.310
Charles the Blade Turing files just recently this year. There's
1159
01:26:16.350 --> 01:26:18.529
two or three that they dropped, but none of those
1160
01:26:18.600 --> 01:26:21.100
had any real significance, nor did they connect to Jack Valente.
1161
01:26:21.479 --> 01:26:23.300
But the stuff that's being withheld, like I said, the
1162
01:26:23.340 --> 01:26:26.960
study of the assassination is the study of relationships. It
1163
01:26:27.020 --> 01:26:29.220
is not the study of how many bullets there were
1164
01:26:29.239 --> 01:26:32.560
in Dealey Plaza. You know, it's irrelevant. The stuff that
1165
01:26:32.579 --> 01:26:35.760
happened in Dealey Plaza, yes, there's a lot of evidentiary
1166
01:26:35.840 --> 01:26:38.470
information there, but you can really come to figure out
1167
01:26:38.550 --> 01:26:41.930
everything that happened there when you understand the major players,
1168
01:26:42.170 --> 01:26:45.510
their relationships with each other, who was what, where, when, why,
1169
01:26:45.569 --> 01:26:47.760
all that stuff. And the events at Dealey Plaza will
1170
01:26:47.899 --> 01:26:50.300
fall into place. All you got to know is who
1171
01:26:50.340 --> 01:26:52.659
knew who. And that's the most important stuff. And that's
1172
01:26:52.680 --> 01:26:53.699
what these files will show.
1173
01:26:54.720 --> 01:26:57.659
Valente is so interesting. I can't wait till we actually
1174
01:26:57.720 --> 01:27:00.220
get to do a full show on this guy. This
1175
01:27:00.300 --> 01:27:04.359
is such an interesting cat. And he seems to have
1176
01:27:04.739 --> 01:27:08.000
his hands all over this event.
1177
01:27:08.760 --> 01:27:11.039
He's got his hands all over so much. It's unreal.
1178
01:27:12.960 --> 01:27:15.829
He was involved in... So here's the weird thing. Like
1179
01:27:15.850 --> 01:27:17.930
he's only in the white. So he shoots Kennedy on
1180
01:27:17.949 --> 01:27:21.130
the grassy knoll. He ends up leaving in Air Force
1181
01:27:21.229 --> 01:27:23.670
One with Lyndon Johnson on the plane. He's in the photograph,
1182
01:27:23.689 --> 01:27:27.939
the famous photograph on Air Force One. And he goes
1183
01:27:27.979 --> 01:27:30.409
on to stay in the White House where, in my opinion,
1184
01:27:30.760 --> 01:27:34.640
he was Johnson's boss. It was not the other way around.
1185
01:27:35.640 --> 01:27:39.760
He was most certainly the highest connected guy to all
1186
01:27:39.779 --> 01:27:42.979
of the, you know, quote unquote Illuminati types of the day.
1187
01:27:43.560 --> 01:27:46.380
You know, all the Israeli stuff, all the Hollywood people,
1188
01:27:46.920 --> 01:27:50.979
every freaking senator and congressperson before he even made it
1189
01:27:51.000 --> 01:27:53.779
to the White House. He was so plugged in. It
1190
01:27:53.819 --> 01:27:59.090
was unbelievable. And when you really come to understand who
1191
01:27:59.100 --> 01:28:01.630
Valenti is, like, I feel that everything that everyone knows
1192
01:28:01.670 --> 01:28:05.930
about Valenti is like his wearing a social mask. Like
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01:28:06.010 --> 01:28:08.689
the Valenti we see on TV is a construct. When
1194
01:28:08.729 --> 01:28:10.569
you go into his file, he dated a girl who
1195
01:28:10.590 --> 01:28:12.710
he ended up– they didn't get along or they didn't
1196
01:28:12.729 --> 01:28:16.399
stay together for very long because they were of different religions,
1197
01:28:16.460 --> 01:28:19.039
which I'm still trying to figure out. I'm pretty confident
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01:28:19.060 --> 01:28:22.460
Jack Valenti was Jewish. Joe Valenti, there's an indication that
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01:28:22.500 --> 01:28:24.439
his family was Jewish, right? So I'm pretty sure Jack
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01:28:24.460 --> 01:28:29.350
Valenti was Jewish but never, ever said that. He's connected
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01:28:29.369 --> 01:28:31.689
to everything post– once he leaves the White House in
1202
01:28:31.689 --> 01:28:33.609
66 and takes over Hollywood as the head of the
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01:28:33.689 --> 01:28:37.869
MPAA– He then stays in D.C. and runs Hollywood from D.C.
1204
01:28:38.010 --> 01:28:40.840
He never moved to Hollywood. He lived in D.C. and
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01:28:40.859 --> 01:28:42.920
he ran the Motion Picture Association from D.C. If that
1206
01:28:42.939 --> 01:28:43.600
tells you anything.
1207
01:28:43.659 --> 01:28:43.840
Right.
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01:28:44.199 --> 01:28:47.100
Plus, we have the documents showing that he was transferred
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01:28:47.119 --> 01:28:50.180
to White House payroll from another agency preexisting, meaning he
1210
01:28:50.220 --> 01:28:50.880
was CIA.
1211
01:28:51.279 --> 01:28:51.479
Right.
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01:28:51.760 --> 01:28:53.699
So but after he gets out of the White House,
1213
01:28:53.819 --> 01:28:56.270
he had two points of contact in government. One was
1214
01:28:56.369 --> 01:28:58.909
Richard Helms, who was the head of the CIA until
1215
01:28:58.930 --> 01:29:03.300
he left to become the ambassador to Iran. And Henry Kissinger,
1216
01:29:03.600 --> 01:29:06.760
who starting in 66 was in the White House. So, yeah,
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01:29:07.880 --> 01:29:10.720
the biggest people in the world handled Valenti after he
1218
01:29:10.779 --> 01:29:13.380
left to go to Hollywood. It's crazy.
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01:29:13.970 --> 01:29:17.770
Now, getting back to any new revelations since we last spoke,
1220
01:29:18.090 --> 01:29:20.210
you had started off by telling me, telling us a
1221
01:29:20.270 --> 01:29:23.630
little bit about Oswald. What else have we not gotten
1222
01:29:23.670 --> 01:29:24.090
into yet?
1223
01:29:24.770 --> 01:29:26.670
Yeah. Well, we talked a little bit about Cary Thornley.
1224
01:29:27.109 --> 01:29:28.550
And the thing I want to talk about with Cary
1225
01:29:28.569 --> 01:29:31.789
Thornley is that Cary Thornley looked a lot like Oswald.
1226
01:29:31.850 --> 01:29:33.149
He knew Oswald from the time he was in the
1227
01:29:33.170 --> 01:29:36.800
Marines and he was recruited. It must've been recruited into
1228
01:29:36.840 --> 01:29:39.539
intelligence about the same time that Oswald, because I can
1229
01:29:39.579 --> 01:29:42.939
trace him back to Atsugi, Japan when Oswald was there
1230
01:29:42.960 --> 01:29:45.739
at the same time using an alias, right? So I
1231
01:29:45.779 --> 01:29:49.020
have Cary Thornley in early 1960 in Atsugi, Japan, where
1232
01:29:49.159 --> 01:29:50.960
Oswald had been, but then had just left to go
1233
01:29:51.000 --> 01:29:54.189
back to the States. Um, and he was there gathering
1234
01:29:54.229 --> 01:29:57.569
information on Oswald and he used the name of Rick Thornley.
1235
01:29:57.850 --> 01:30:00.270
So to me, it was obvious by 1960, he was
1236
01:30:00.289 --> 01:30:04.250
a already recruited into intelligence and be already assigned to, um,
1237
01:30:05.890 --> 01:30:12.149
Oswald as some kind of friend slash handler. And that continued.
1238
01:30:12.220 --> 01:30:14.199
So I've really come to understand that a lot of
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01:30:14.220 --> 01:30:17.319
the information that we have, like there were various aliases
1240
01:30:17.479 --> 01:30:20.699
used throughout the setup of the assassination. Right. So we
1241
01:30:20.739 --> 01:30:24.750
all know that, um, Oswald allegedly used the alias of
1242
01:30:24.770 --> 01:30:30.439
Alec Heidel. So Alec Heidel, there is no Alec Heidel,
1243
01:30:30.460 --> 01:30:34.539
but the name Heidel was actually the nickname of another
1244
01:30:34.600 --> 01:30:40.399
Marine that he knew, whose real name was Heindel, H-E-I-N-D-E-L.
1245
01:30:40.739 --> 01:30:44.600
But everyone called him Heidel just because it was mistaken
1246
01:30:44.640 --> 01:30:46.010
or they were lazy, but he just kind of got
1247
01:30:46.090 --> 01:30:48.920
used to it as a nickname. Another incident in New
1248
01:30:49.000 --> 01:30:52.100
Orleans where Kerry Thornley gives an alias attempting to set
1249
01:30:52.159 --> 01:30:57.770
up Oswald, he gives an alias of Osborne, Leon Osborne. Well,
1250
01:30:57.789 --> 01:31:02.770
guess what? Oswald had another Marine in his unit named Osborne, right?
1251
01:31:03.029 --> 01:31:05.390
So I started to find that the aliases that were
1252
01:31:05.449 --> 01:31:09.489
allegedly used by Oswald were also the names of men
1253
01:31:09.670 --> 01:31:13.109
in his unit in the Marines. And Oswald was getting
1254
01:31:13.149 --> 01:31:15.310
set up. He didn't use it. But who else would
1255
01:31:15.350 --> 01:31:19.279
know this? Only Cary Thornley, because Cary Thornley was there
1256
01:31:19.439 --> 01:31:24.340
shadowing Oswald, getting information on his alleged activities starting in
1257
01:31:24.340 --> 01:31:28.199
60 in Atsugi. And I promise, continuing throughout the rest
1258
01:31:28.239 --> 01:31:31.029
of their career in the Marines, once Oswald goes off
1259
01:31:31.050 --> 01:31:33.130
to the Soviet Union, Cary Thornley goes back to New
1260
01:31:33.189 --> 01:31:35.909
Orleans where he ends up associating with David Ferry and
1261
01:31:35.949 --> 01:31:38.470
Guy Bannister and Clay Shaw and all the guys at
1262
01:31:38.470 --> 01:31:43.800
544 Camp Street. where Oswald is alleged to have associated,
1263
01:31:43.840 --> 01:31:46.270
but I'm telling you with certainty, Oswald didn't associate with
1264
01:31:46.310 --> 01:31:49.710
these people. He was being handled by Clay Shaw and
1265
01:31:49.750 --> 01:31:53.170
Carrie Thornley, but all of the incidents where Oswald is
1266
01:31:53.210 --> 01:31:56.529
associated with David Ferry and 544 Camp Street, that is
1267
01:31:56.529 --> 01:31:59.050
100% Carrie Thornley. So I came to understand that Carrie
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01:31:59.069 --> 01:32:01.229
Thornley played a much bigger role in the assassination than
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01:32:01.350 --> 01:32:04.109
anybody has ever realized. He was directly involved in the
1270
01:32:04.130 --> 01:32:05.750
setup of Oswald. He was the one who came up
1271
01:32:05.770 --> 01:32:08.840
with the aliases that were assigned to Oswald and names
1272
01:32:08.850 --> 01:32:11.609
that were used. And part of the lead up to
1273
01:32:11.649 --> 01:32:14.199
the assassination, because it wasn't Oswald and the only other
1274
01:32:14.220 --> 01:32:15.819
person who would know the names of the people in
1275
01:32:15.840 --> 01:32:19.380
the Marine unit was Cary Thornley because he was there.
1276
01:32:19.899 --> 01:32:23.380
So it became very obvious to me, Cary Thornley played
1277
01:32:23.539 --> 01:32:26.220
much bigger part in the setup. And then once I
1278
01:32:26.300 --> 01:32:28.880
realized his connection to Marina Oswald, that he had a
1279
01:32:29.340 --> 01:32:31.840
relationship with Marina Oswald in New Orleans and had a
1280
01:32:31.899 --> 01:32:35.220
relationship with Marina Oswald in Dallas, where they were setting
1281
01:32:35.319 --> 01:32:37.060
Oswald up, like shooting at bales of hay off the
1282
01:32:37.100 --> 01:32:39.539
highway and stuff like that. where Oswald was seen driving
1283
01:32:39.579 --> 01:32:43.279
a car, yet Oswald never drove. Once I made the
1284
01:32:43.319 --> 01:32:48.380
connection that Marina was married to Lee Harvey Oswald, but
1285
01:32:48.659 --> 01:32:51.899
also was a scene associating with Carrie Thornley, that filled
1286
01:32:51.939 --> 01:32:53.939
in a dozen blanks for me. And then I realized,
1287
01:32:54.399 --> 01:32:58.289
oh my God, Carrie Thornley was the major force behind
1288
01:32:58.350 --> 01:33:03.069
the setup of Oswald as this violent communist dissident. So
1289
01:33:03.550 --> 01:33:05.989
of course there are several incidents where William Seymour was
1290
01:33:06.029 --> 01:33:08.899
impersonating him like at the rifle range, and a couple
1291
01:33:08.909 --> 01:33:12.619
other places, and particularly at the school book depository, you
1292
01:33:12.659 --> 01:33:17.380
have these two men impersonating Oswald, right? So yeah, so
1293
01:33:17.460 --> 01:33:20.920
in researching this Cary Thornley chapter, I'm going over some
1294
01:33:20.939 --> 01:33:23.159
David Ferry stuff, and this is one of the biggest revelations,
1295
01:33:23.680 --> 01:33:25.479
and I don't know the significance of it at all.
1296
01:33:26.350 --> 01:33:27.550
I don't know if it has anything to do with
1297
01:33:27.569 --> 01:33:29.869
the assassination at all, but no one has ever pointed
1298
01:33:29.909 --> 01:33:35.369
this out. I have discovered that David Ferry was actually
1299
01:33:35.510 --> 01:33:40.310
married and had a child with In 1949, he lived
1300
01:33:40.350 --> 01:33:44.949
in Tampa. On his taxes, he had two dependents. And
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01:33:44.970 --> 01:33:48.609
in Garrison's files, I found a handwritten note that says
1302
01:33:48.960 --> 01:33:52.359
they located information that stated David Ferry had been married
1303
01:33:52.399 --> 01:33:57.460
in 1949 and had two dependents. Then he's investigated for
1304
01:33:57.479 --> 01:34:00.560
being a child molester by Eastern Airlines in early 1960s,
1305
01:34:00.550 --> 01:34:05.939
like 61, 62. They set up an investigator to spy
1306
01:34:06.079 --> 01:34:08.579
on his house to keep tabs on who's coming and
1307
01:34:08.600 --> 01:34:11.479
going from David Ferry's place. This is Eastern Airlines, not
1308
01:34:11.520 --> 01:34:13.560
the police. And so they take down a whole bunch
1309
01:34:13.600 --> 01:34:16.850
of license plates. One of the license plates they come
1310
01:34:16.909 --> 01:34:21.270
up with that went to David Ferry's house in 1962
1311
01:34:21.270 --> 01:34:24.789
came back to David W. Ferry Jr. And it was
1312
01:34:24.850 --> 01:34:29.119
registered to an Alexandria, Louisiana address. When they dug into it,
1313
01:34:29.149 --> 01:34:32.449
they found that David Ferry Jr., who lived in Alexandria,
1314
01:34:32.970 --> 01:34:39.069
was a lieutenant in the Marine Corps in 1963. David
1315
01:34:39.149 --> 01:34:43.289
Ferry Jr. has never, ever been part of the Kennedy
1316
01:34:43.350 --> 01:34:47.350
assassination story, and no one has ever discussed his existence
1317
01:34:47.970 --> 01:34:52.430
until this moment here today on this show. So, I
1318
01:34:52.470 --> 01:34:57.550
don't even know where to begin to put together his
1319
01:34:57.630 --> 01:35:04.000
role in any potential anything, right? So, Yeah, that was
1320
01:35:04.039 --> 01:35:06.880
another mind-blowing discovery for me, and I don't know the
1321
01:35:06.920 --> 01:35:09.479
implications of that. Well, I know it means David Ferry
1322
01:35:09.520 --> 01:35:14.340
wasn't totally gay. He was just a weird freak. Yeah,
1323
01:35:16.090 --> 01:35:18.630
so those are some of the more recent connections that
1324
01:35:18.649 --> 01:35:19.130
I've made.
1325
01:35:19.449 --> 01:35:21.829
Well, just the fact that there could be someone still
1326
01:35:21.909 --> 01:35:26.890
alive with more information than most about what could have
1327
01:35:26.930 --> 01:35:29.210
possibly happened in that event, that's pretty.
1328
01:35:29.229 --> 01:35:31.550
That reminds me. You bring me to like the biggest
1329
01:35:31.699 --> 01:35:35.189
discovery of all. And I have to thank my boy, Antonio,
1330
01:35:35.390 --> 01:35:39.069
who works on my website and is in my Kennedy chat,
1331
01:35:39.670 --> 01:35:43.989
a fantastic supporter of mine. He found out that William Seymour,
1332
01:35:44.069 --> 01:35:46.550
the man who impersonated Oswald at the gun range and
1333
01:35:46.569 --> 01:35:49.250
a number of places at Sylvia Odeo's and ultimately at
1334
01:35:49.270 --> 01:35:51.970
the book depository where he worked there as the Harvey Oswald,
1335
01:35:51.989 --> 01:35:55.050
because Oswald didn't work at the book depository. This man
1336
01:35:55.090 --> 01:35:59.560
is still alive and he's living in Phoenix, Arizona. And
1337
01:35:59.699 --> 01:36:02.270
I have his address and phone number. He started a
1338
01:36:02.550 --> 01:36:06.550
he started a surveying company. He's only he's 86. And
1339
01:36:06.609 --> 01:36:09.890
so he has children and grandchildren. And I'm sure he's
1340
01:36:09.970 --> 01:36:12.250
probably not working at this company that he had started.
1341
01:36:12.609 --> 01:36:14.710
His kids are probably running it or somebody is running it.
1342
01:36:14.750 --> 01:36:19.340
But I have the information on William Seymour. It's Seymour
1343
01:36:19.420 --> 01:36:22.399
well drilling Seymour surveying and well drilling or something like
1344
01:36:22.420 --> 01:36:26.680
that in Houston. And yeah. That's that's that is shocking
1345
01:36:26.720 --> 01:36:27.899
to me. And I don't even know how to go
1346
01:36:27.920 --> 01:36:30.479
about doing anything with it because that's a guy who
1347
01:36:30.500 --> 01:36:33.779
was involved directly with the setup. And he's 86 years old.
1348
01:36:34.020 --> 01:36:35.100
He might be ready to talk.
1349
01:36:35.439 --> 01:36:37.680
Well, yeah, I was going to say he's 86. If
1350
01:36:37.720 --> 01:36:39.640
you're going to do anything, you might want to do
1351
01:36:39.699 --> 01:36:44.039
something soon. He's got some limited time there. Yeah.
1352
01:36:44.079 --> 01:36:45.220
So I don't even know what to do with that.
1353
01:36:47.000 --> 01:36:49.500
I've had contacts with other investigators who are interested in
1354
01:36:49.539 --> 01:36:51.279
this stuff, who like this kind of thing, who like
1355
01:36:51.300 --> 01:36:53.609
to go out and contact people. And so I think
1356
01:36:53.630 --> 01:36:54.970
I'm going to hand it off to one of them.
1357
01:36:56.170 --> 01:37:00.149
But yeah, it's fascinating. That guy, you could sit down
1358
01:37:00.189 --> 01:37:01.329
with him because I have a picture of him in
1359
01:37:01.350 --> 01:37:03.750
Dealey Plaza where he's wearing the light brown jacket that
1360
01:37:03.770 --> 01:37:06.369
he was stopped inside the Book Depository wearing by Baker
1361
01:37:06.409 --> 01:37:09.050
and Truly, who allegedly stopped Oswald in the building. But
1362
01:37:09.069 --> 01:37:11.439
they didn't stop Oswald in the building. The whole Oswald
1363
01:37:11.479 --> 01:37:14.180
drinking a Coke on the second floor story is a joke.
1364
01:37:14.220 --> 01:37:17.100
It's total myth. It never happened. The incident with Baker
1365
01:37:17.119 --> 01:37:19.520
and Truly stopping Oswald happened between the third and fourth
1366
01:37:19.600 --> 01:37:21.760
floor in the stairwell. And it was not Oswald. It
1367
01:37:21.800 --> 01:37:23.539
was William Seymour. And he was wearing a light brown
1368
01:37:23.579 --> 01:37:25.630
jacket and a light blue shirt. And I have a
1369
01:37:25.649 --> 01:37:29.189
photograph of him in Dealey Plaza moments before he reentered
1370
01:37:29.210 --> 01:37:30.970
the book depository and went back up to the sixth
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01:37:30.989 --> 01:37:32.649
floor and then was stopped on the way down. So
1372
01:37:33.170 --> 01:37:35.710
I have photographic proof I could present to him and
1373
01:37:35.750 --> 01:37:42.069
be like, that's you in Dealey Plaza. What happened? And
1374
01:37:42.130 --> 01:37:45.229
so it's weird because he's 86 years old. He's never
1375
01:37:45.289 --> 01:37:47.890
talked this whole time. But he actually did show up
1376
01:37:48.409 --> 01:37:51.020
once at a JFK convention, believe it or not. And
1377
01:37:51.039 --> 01:37:52.800
there's a photograph of him sitting at a booth at
1378
01:37:52.840 --> 01:37:53.720
a JFK convention.
1379
01:37:54.100 --> 01:37:54.739
Wow.
1380
01:37:54.850 --> 01:37:58.029
So, yeah, wild stuff. The guy, I mean, come on,
1381
01:37:58.050 --> 01:37:59.369
if you had a secret like that your whole life,
1382
01:37:59.409 --> 01:38:02.010
the most important thing in world history, wouldn't you want
1383
01:38:02.029 --> 01:38:03.189
to tell somebody at some point?
1384
01:38:03.609 --> 01:38:03.810
Yeah.
1385
01:38:03.909 --> 01:38:04.789
Wouldn't you want to spill the beans?
1386
01:38:04.810 --> 01:38:05.810
Yeah.
1387
01:38:05.890 --> 01:38:07.170
Well, it's not like.
1388
01:38:06.939 --> 01:38:09.300
We're going to hear it from anyone else. All the
1389
01:38:09.520 --> 01:38:14.020
prior major JFK researchers seem to have just been going
1390
01:38:14.140 --> 01:38:19.619
off of the previous formula that, whatever detective or researcher
1391
01:38:19.659 --> 01:38:22.859
left for them to follow, but they didn't dig any deeper.
1392
01:38:23.359 --> 01:38:26.569
And we've got a more clear picture with your research
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01:38:26.649 --> 01:38:28.069
than ever before, really.
1394
01:38:30.899 --> 01:38:33.300
Yes, I figured out why I figured out that most
1395
01:38:33.319 --> 01:38:38.699
Kennedy researchers, they they take things for granted, like every
1396
01:38:38.760 --> 01:38:42.640
Kennedy researcher in the world has taken for granted that
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01:38:42.720 --> 01:38:45.789
Lee Harvey Oswald worked at the book depository. They just
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01:38:45.850 --> 01:38:48.810
assume that's such a fundamental fact of the case. It
1399
01:38:48.850 --> 01:38:52.119
has to be true. They haven't even questioned that fact.
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01:38:54.600 --> 01:38:56.600
I questioned it. You know why? Because when I went
1401
01:38:56.619 --> 01:38:58.000
through the statements of the people who worked in the
1402
01:38:58.020 --> 01:39:00.600
book depository, I found out that some of the more
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01:39:02.649 --> 01:39:05.270
prevalent people in there, like Ovi Campbell, who ran the
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01:39:05.289 --> 01:39:09.090
book depository, he had never seen Oswald until Oswald showed
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01:39:09.130 --> 01:39:11.779
up on television. And Oswald had allegedly been there for
1406
01:39:11.819 --> 01:39:15.289
about six weeks, working there for six weeks. So there
1407
01:39:15.329 --> 01:39:16.869
were at least seven or eight people who had been
1408
01:39:16.890 --> 01:39:19.409
working in that building who had never, ever seen Lee
1409
01:39:19.449 --> 01:39:24.159
Harvey Oswald ever. Right. And nobody saw him there that day,
1410
01:39:24.319 --> 01:39:26.720
except for a handful of people who were on the
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01:39:26.760 --> 01:39:30.220
fifth and sixth floor, you know, before and during the assassination.
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01:39:30.760 --> 01:39:35.119
Guys like Charles Givens and Billy Lovelady and guys who
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01:39:35.159 --> 01:39:37.779
were obviously in on the cover up on some low level.
1414
01:39:38.310 --> 01:39:40.409
They're the only people who ever identified Oswald as having
1415
01:39:40.430 --> 01:39:43.630
been there. And then when I found that, I found
1416
01:39:43.649 --> 01:39:45.770
a picture of William Seymour out back of the Texas
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01:39:45.789 --> 01:39:48.720
School Book Depository, it just made perfect sense that, yes,
1418
01:39:48.800 --> 01:39:51.920
Oswald was being impersonated all over the place, going back
1419
01:39:51.939 --> 01:39:54.600
to the age of 12. And this was no different.
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01:39:54.840 --> 01:39:56.699
Everyone took for granted he worked there. He didn't work there.
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01:39:57.279 --> 01:39:59.319
No evidence he worked there. You have a job application
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01:39:59.420 --> 01:40:01.420
and witnesses who said that he worked there. But if
1423
01:40:01.500 --> 01:40:03.560
I introduced you to somebody who looked just like Oswald,
1424
01:40:03.960 --> 01:40:06.220
told you his name was Lee Harvey Oswald, and then
1425
01:40:06.260 --> 01:40:08.619
later you see somebody else arrested and put on television,
1426
01:40:09.460 --> 01:40:10.579
what are you going to think? What are you going
1427
01:40:10.600 --> 01:40:13.109
to do? Imagine if all of a sudden you realize
1428
01:40:13.130 --> 01:40:15.310
you work for a CIA front. Are you going to
1429
01:40:15.350 --> 01:40:18.449
tell anybody? No, you're going to be scared out of
1430
01:40:18.470 --> 01:40:19.930
your mind and you're going to go work somewhere else.
1431
01:40:20.130 --> 01:40:20.890
That's what you're going to do.
1432
01:40:20.930 --> 01:40:21.130
Right.
1433
01:40:21.189 --> 01:40:23.609
So yeah, it was a very well kept secret. The
1434
01:40:23.649 --> 01:40:27.699
entire assassination story is a series of well planned scripted events,
1435
01:40:28.180 --> 01:40:30.979
much like a theatrical production, but not inserted into a
1436
01:40:31.020 --> 01:40:33.760
movie played out as real life and reported on the news.
1437
01:40:34.220 --> 01:40:37.279
That was the Kennedy assassination in a nutshell, a completely
1438
01:40:37.590 --> 01:40:40.229
scripted fabricated event from start to finish that took years
1439
01:40:40.270 --> 01:40:44.409
to assemble and and involved basically hundreds of what we
1440
01:40:44.430 --> 01:40:46.029
would now today call crisis actors.
1441
01:40:47.409 --> 01:40:51.899
Now, a lot of the individuals and events surrounding the
1442
01:40:52.039 --> 01:40:57.159
assassination actually took place in Louisiana and New Orleans. There
1443
01:40:57.359 --> 01:41:00.939
were ties to the major mob boss at the time,
1444
01:41:01.000 --> 01:41:04.399
Carlos Marcella. What are some of the major events that
1445
01:41:04.460 --> 01:41:07.350
really stick out for you that maybe we could go
1446
01:41:07.430 --> 01:41:07.899
over today?
1447
01:41:08.630 --> 01:41:09.010
Yeah, sure.
1448
01:41:09.029 --> 01:41:11.050
So, like, you have to understand that New Orleans was
1449
01:41:11.109 --> 01:41:15.479
a major, major mob town because of the port. That's
1450
01:41:15.500 --> 01:41:17.960
why it was so important. Not necessarily because New Orleans
1451
01:41:18.000 --> 01:41:20.520
was great or anything like that. It had the port.
1452
01:41:20.640 --> 01:41:22.779
And because it had the port, it had smuggling. And
1453
01:41:22.800 --> 01:41:26.270
because it had smuggling, it had, you know, all of
1454
01:41:26.310 --> 01:41:31.130
the security agencies there, customs. It had naval intelligence. It
1455
01:41:31.170 --> 01:41:35.529
had FBI, CIA, you know, you name it, army intelligence, everything.
1456
01:41:36.010 --> 01:41:38.789
you name it, it had intelligence operations going on there
1457
01:41:39.710 --> 01:41:44.510
to either a prevent or either a prevent or B
1458
01:41:44.550 --> 01:41:48.109
take part in these smuggling operations. Right. So that's, you'll
1459
01:41:48.170 --> 01:41:52.489
always find heavy concentrations of mafia and intelligence in locations
1460
01:41:52.510 --> 01:41:55.640
where there are ports, New York, the docks in New York,
1461
01:41:55.979 --> 01:42:02.020
New Jersey, Cleveland, you know, um, Yeah, the ports are
1462
01:42:02.079 --> 01:42:05.939
essential for smuggling, hence the need for intelligence and mafia infrastructure.
1463
01:42:06.399 --> 01:42:09.409
And so like the original mob boss was Silver Dollar
1464
01:42:09.470 --> 01:42:13.029
Sam Carolla. And he was big into the slot machines
1465
01:42:13.090 --> 01:42:14.550
and stuff, right? He came up with ways to get
1466
01:42:14.569 --> 01:42:19.409
around the slot machines, but Bureau of Narcotics and all
1467
01:42:19.430 --> 01:42:21.449
that stuff, they were onto that guy. And so he
1468
01:42:21.489 --> 01:42:24.369
ends up going the way of the dodo. Marcello comes
1469
01:42:24.409 --> 01:42:27.380
to power. Marcello was like, he was one of the
1470
01:42:27.449 --> 01:42:31.720
big three. The big three were Marcello, Giancana and Traficante.
1471
01:42:31.960 --> 01:42:33.840
Those were the three biggest mob bosses in the country.
1472
01:42:35.340 --> 01:42:38.500
And the three of them basically worked directly for Meyer Lansky,
1473
01:42:38.539 --> 01:42:41.159
who ran the mafia. Now, most people won't acknowledge Meyer
1474
01:42:41.239 --> 01:42:43.000
Lansky as having ran the mafia. They'll say he was
1475
01:42:43.020 --> 01:42:45.819
the mob's accountant. But when you understand that he made
1476
01:42:45.920 --> 01:42:47.399
all the money for the mob, he set up all
1477
01:42:47.430 --> 01:42:50.649
the drug trafficking routes. He was the, I mean, there
1478
01:42:50.670 --> 01:42:55.329
was nobody like him. He was light years beyond Giancana
1479
01:42:55.350 --> 01:42:58.210
and Traficante and these guys. I mean, he started Murder, Inc.
1480
01:42:58.430 --> 01:43:04.270
in New York and he murdered Salvatore Maranzano and Joe Masseria,
1481
01:43:04.289 --> 01:43:06.050
who are the top two mob bosses in the country
1482
01:43:06.069 --> 01:43:09.430
who were Sicilian. Once he knocked them off in 1931,
1483
01:43:09.430 --> 01:43:12.810
he became de facto mob boss of the whole country.
1484
01:43:13.409 --> 01:43:16.100
Not necessarily because anyone answered directly to him, but when
1485
01:43:16.140 --> 01:43:20.199
you establish the infrastructure of how the mafia works and
1486
01:43:20.239 --> 01:43:25.039
you set up the largest money generating operations that there were,
1487
01:43:26.010 --> 01:43:27.970
you get all the power, you know what I mean?
1488
01:43:28.010 --> 01:43:30.250
So the five families might've sat on the throne in
1489
01:43:30.289 --> 01:43:33.270
New York, but they all bowed down to Meyer Lansky.
1490
01:43:34.229 --> 01:43:34.899
This is how it was.
1491
01:43:35.069 --> 01:43:37.579
A lot of the planning did take place in new
1492
01:43:37.699 --> 01:43:42.159
Orleans amongst David Ferry and these, these mobsters. Yeah.
1493
01:43:42.420 --> 01:43:44.319
So originally I never believed that I thought it was
1494
01:43:44.359 --> 01:43:48.119
too obvious. Like if, if, if Oliver Stone is talking
1495
01:43:48.159 --> 01:43:51.100
about it, saying it in his film that new Orleans
1496
01:43:51.140 --> 01:43:54.250
was the key, And I'm thinking it's some global international
1497
01:43:54.289 --> 01:43:57.930
conspiracy involving the Israelis. Then how does the two fit together?
1498
01:43:57.989 --> 01:44:00.609
I never thought they did, but they do. Because of
1499
01:44:00.689 --> 01:44:03.760
a company called Permindex, which is a Mossad front company
1500
01:44:03.800 --> 01:44:08.819
that had, you know, the board of directors was all CIA, mafia, Mossad,
1501
01:44:09.020 --> 01:44:11.119
you know, like you name it. It was a who's
1502
01:44:11.140 --> 01:44:13.979
who of scumbags. And that was, to me, the absolute
1503
01:44:14.020 --> 01:44:16.590
proof that all these organizations were working together. And one
1504
01:44:16.609 --> 01:44:18.470
of the guys on the board of directors of Permindex
1505
01:44:18.529 --> 01:44:21.939
and CMC was Clay Shaw. And so that's where basically
1506
01:44:21.960 --> 01:44:26.479
the orders came down from. It came down from the
1507
01:44:26.500 --> 01:44:30.539
head of the Israeli government to the Mossad to Permindex,
1508
01:44:30.600 --> 01:44:33.149
which is where the CIA becomes involved, right? So the
1509
01:44:33.189 --> 01:44:37.250
CIA is a secondary player in the assassination. Primary in
1510
01:44:37.289 --> 01:44:40.550
its execution, however, they have great plausible deniability because 100%
1511
01:44:40.550 --> 01:44:43.529
of the shooters also work for the mob. So the
1512
01:44:43.550 --> 01:44:45.890
CIA can always go, these guys work for the mob.
1513
01:44:45.909 --> 01:44:48.239
We don't know what you're talking about. When it's documented
1514
01:44:48.260 --> 01:44:49.819
that all of them work for the CIA as well.
1515
01:44:49.880 --> 01:44:50.119
Right.
1516
01:44:50.159 --> 01:44:54.720
So yeah, there was an intricate relationship between the CIA,
1517
01:44:54.760 --> 01:44:57.300
the mafia and the FBI that I never understood, but
1518
01:44:57.340 --> 01:45:01.970
now makes perfect sense because the CIA, but the FBI's
1519
01:45:01.979 --> 01:45:04.369
job in America is to cover for the CIA. That's it.
1520
01:45:04.850 --> 01:45:07.430
That is their number one priority above all else cover
1521
01:45:07.449 --> 01:45:10.229
for the CIA. The CIA does stuff and the FBI
1522
01:45:10.270 --> 01:45:12.810
has to go in, investigate and cover it up. That's
1523
01:45:12.829 --> 01:45:15.289
what they fucking do. That's plain and simple what they do. So,
1524
01:45:15.909 --> 01:45:17.479
And it's obvious when you go and you read the
1525
01:45:17.500 --> 01:45:19.960
Kennedy stuff about how the FBI lied in documents.
1526
01:45:19.979 --> 01:45:23.350
Well, dude, look at the stuff happening now with especially
1527
01:45:23.439 --> 01:45:26.689
January 6th, a perfect example, but some of the other
1528
01:45:26.829 --> 01:45:31.659
psychological operations and false flags happening. It's exactly happening like that.
1529
01:45:31.819 --> 01:45:34.220
The FBI will come in and try and clean up
1530
01:45:34.260 --> 01:45:37.899
the mess that the CIA made. And it becomes even
1531
01:45:37.939 --> 01:45:41.949
more ridiculous because they end up outing themselves and they
1532
01:45:41.970 --> 01:45:43.529
don't know, the right hand doesn't know what the left
1533
01:45:43.569 --> 01:45:46.850
hand doing. So FBI agents are arresting FBI agents and
1534
01:45:46.890 --> 01:45:47.909
it's complete chaos.
1535
01:45:48.590 --> 01:45:48.770
Yeah.
1536
01:45:49.140 --> 01:45:49.270
Yeah.
1537
01:45:49.600 --> 01:45:52.920
It's a shit show. The FBI, you can't have a
1538
01:45:52.960 --> 01:45:55.979
law enforcement organization that's dedicated to enforcing laws and then
1539
01:45:56.789 --> 01:45:59.430
Covering up for those who break them. I mean, you
1540
01:45:59.449 --> 01:46:02.590
can't have those two things working together because like I
1541
01:46:02.630 --> 01:46:04.680
promise you, like when you listen to some of the
1542
01:46:04.850 --> 01:46:07.029
FBI guys who were working on like the Hunter Biden case,
1543
01:46:07.060 --> 01:46:09.600
who were trying to get Hunter Biden, they were they
1544
01:46:09.619 --> 01:46:11.560
came in and told him, yeah, stop working on this
1545
01:46:11.600 --> 01:46:12.819
case and you go work on something else.
1546
01:46:12.920 --> 01:46:13.079
Right.
1547
01:46:13.119 --> 01:46:17.800
So like they were leadership takes good, good, honest, you know,
1548
01:46:17.819 --> 01:46:21.369
law enforcement leadership. officers who want to do a good job.
1549
01:46:21.729 --> 01:46:23.750
And then you have the administration comes in and says, no,
1550
01:46:23.770 --> 01:46:26.529
go do this. And this sidetracks them and doesn't allow
1551
01:46:26.550 --> 01:46:29.149
them to do the job. Right. So that's what we're
1552
01:46:29.180 --> 01:46:30.680
getting with all these current whistleblowers.
1553
01:46:30.760 --> 01:46:30.960
Right.
1554
01:46:31.020 --> 01:46:33.079
With all the modern day whistleblowers in the FBI. Like, hey,
1555
01:46:33.180 --> 01:46:34.439
I want to do my job and they wouldn't let
1556
01:46:34.460 --> 01:46:34.800
me do it.
1557
01:46:34.899 --> 01:46:35.079
Right.
1558
01:46:35.500 --> 01:46:37.319
Same thing with the IRS. And this goes back to
1559
01:46:37.340 --> 01:46:39.899
the weaponization of government. But like the fucking Republicans today
1560
01:46:39.939 --> 01:46:42.260
are talking about it like it's a new thing. Shit.
1561
01:46:42.279 --> 01:46:43.779
Are you shitting me? What the fuck you call the
1562
01:46:43.800 --> 01:46:44.359
Warren Commission?
1563
01:46:45.239 --> 01:46:45.399
Yeah.
1564
01:46:45.539 --> 01:46:46.890
That's the weaponization of government.
1565
01:46:47.250 --> 01:46:50.789
Something else that's become very apparent is that the Five
1566
01:46:50.970 --> 01:46:56.840
Eyes are indeed just one faction operating through different jurisdictions.
1567
01:46:57.479 --> 01:47:00.520
One will be able to perform actions that the other
1568
01:47:00.560 --> 01:47:03.479
won't be able to do in certain countries, but they
1569
01:47:03.640 --> 01:47:05.779
all answer to the same entities.
1570
01:47:06.680 --> 01:47:11.260
Right. Yeah, they sure do. But then you have to
1571
01:47:11.279 --> 01:47:13.850
think the intelligence agencies don't work for us, and I
1572
01:47:13.890 --> 01:47:15.659
don't believe the military works for us either.
1573
01:47:16.689 --> 01:47:16.850
Right.
1574
01:47:17.109 --> 01:47:22.170
At all. They work for foreign corporate interests.
1575
01:47:22.869 --> 01:47:25.649
Right on. Now, let's get to some of the other,
1576
01:47:25.810 --> 01:47:28.180
is there any more revelations that we need to cover
1577
01:47:28.220 --> 01:47:30.420
that from your, since the last time we spoke?
1578
01:47:31.100 --> 01:47:32.819
You know, I do have a bunch in regards to
1579
01:47:32.840 --> 01:47:34.560
how the shooting on the Knoll went down and how
1580
01:47:34.600 --> 01:47:37.560
the stuff inside the book depository went down, but those
1581
01:47:37.600 --> 01:47:40.819
I'm saving for the book. And speaking of the book,
1582
01:47:41.090 --> 01:47:42.670
let me talk about the book and its release date
1583
01:47:42.689 --> 01:47:45.329
and all this stuff. So I'm about halfway done with
1584
01:47:45.350 --> 01:47:48.350
this chapter on Carrie Thornley. Kerry Thornley, who I've said
1585
01:47:48.550 --> 01:47:50.750
impersonated Oswald all over the place. He was a handler
1586
01:47:50.810 --> 01:47:52.989
of Oswald. He definitely set up a lot of the
1587
01:47:53.069 --> 01:47:57.319
alias stuff involving Oswald, like Heidel and Osborn. He was
1588
01:47:57.359 --> 01:48:01.119
definitely the person seen at the party plotting to assassinate
1589
01:48:01.140 --> 01:48:02.859
the president that Perry Russo saw him at. That was
1590
01:48:02.880 --> 01:48:06.260
talked about in the JFK movie. I'm halfway through with
1591
01:48:06.279 --> 01:48:09.840
this chapter and it's moving along. This chapter will be done,
1592
01:48:09.859 --> 01:48:16.409
I'd say, at the latest this time next week. And
1593
01:48:16.430 --> 01:48:17.979
then the only chapter I have left is the chapter
1594
01:48:18.020 --> 01:48:21.319
on Jack Valente and where I'm kind of conflicted with
1595
01:48:21.340 --> 01:48:24.000
the Jack Valente chapter is because Jack Valente deserves a
1596
01:48:24.020 --> 01:48:27.600
book unto himself. And unfortunately, I don't have enough information
1597
01:48:27.619 --> 01:48:30.439
to write that book. But I have far more information
1598
01:48:30.500 --> 01:48:32.880
on Jack Valente that I could explain in a single chapter.
1599
01:48:33.180 --> 01:48:35.039
So I have this kind of problem that I have
1600
01:48:35.060 --> 01:48:38.279
to summarize this chapter, show Jack Valente's involvement, how he
1601
01:48:38.319 --> 01:48:41.300
was the shooter on the grass, you know, and... I
1602
01:48:41.319 --> 01:48:43.539
have to do it, you know, in about 10,000 words,
1603
01:48:43.760 --> 01:48:46.569
whereas I really need about 50,000 words to do it.
1604
01:48:46.880 --> 01:48:48.500
And I can't do that in this book. So I'm
1605
01:48:48.890 --> 01:48:51.239
same thing with Carrie Thornley. I need about 50,000 words
1606
01:48:51.279 --> 01:48:53.550
just to write all the stuff on Thornley and I
1607
01:48:53.590 --> 01:48:55.149
need to make it about 10,000 words.
1608
01:48:55.229 --> 01:48:55.409
Right.
1609
01:48:55.449 --> 01:48:57.970
So I'm sitting at about, I need about 15,000 words
1610
01:48:57.989 --> 01:49:00.470
and it'll finish this book, but I'll have to edit
1611
01:49:00.510 --> 01:49:03.170
down the information to enough that it's digestible. People don't
1612
01:49:03.189 --> 01:49:05.829
understand it, make the point I need to make without
1613
01:49:05.890 --> 01:49:10.350
giving away everything because it really deserves a book onto itself.
1614
01:49:10.409 --> 01:49:10.590
Right.
1615
01:49:10.630 --> 01:49:13.119
So, Right off the bat, as soon as I'm done,
1616
01:49:14.000 --> 01:49:18.100
I already have six, seven chapters in my head that
1617
01:49:18.140 --> 01:49:20.369
I know will go into the next book.
1618
01:49:22.670 --> 01:49:27.050
It seems like it's getting very hard. to perfect and
1619
01:49:27.109 --> 01:49:31.329
even carry out some of the psychological cooperations. The same
1620
01:49:31.390 --> 01:49:34.300
things that we would have seen during that Kennedy era
1621
01:49:34.920 --> 01:49:39.119
are being outed now because of technology, because of the
1622
01:49:39.220 --> 01:49:41.619
ease of access. The internet was a big factor, but
1623
01:49:41.680 --> 01:49:43.859
now they're trying to reel back on it because they
1624
01:49:43.899 --> 01:49:48.829
realize that they're fucking up, basically, that there's more people
1625
01:49:48.869 --> 01:49:51.470
that are realizing the game than ever, and they can't
1626
01:49:51.529 --> 01:49:54.489
carry out these operations like they used to, it seems.
1627
01:49:55.930 --> 01:50:01.930
You are 100% correct. And the next step is outright
1628
01:50:02.449 --> 01:50:08.430
censorship and turning information into a crime. I want to
1629
01:50:08.449 --> 01:50:10.510
screen share something with you real quick because I just
1630
01:50:10.550 --> 01:50:13.609
discovered this. This has been out for three years already,
1631
01:50:14.069 --> 01:50:19.689
but I heard this mentioned in a government symposium recently.
1632
01:50:20.390 --> 01:50:22.090
And so this I feel is going to be the
1633
01:50:22.149 --> 01:50:24.649
next big thing. And this is going to be how
1634
01:50:25.939 --> 01:50:27.720
Let me see where this is going to be, how
1635
01:50:27.760 --> 01:50:35.590
they end up achieving their ends. So. Can you see
1636
01:50:35.609 --> 01:50:38.270
what I'm sharing? Yeah. All right. So I found this.
1637
01:50:38.510 --> 01:50:40.970
This is an actual paper written on what is called
1638
01:50:41.149 --> 01:50:46.569
information disorder syndrome and its management. Let me say that again.
1639
01:50:47.300 --> 01:50:53.390
Information disorder syndrome and its management. I'll read some of
1640
01:50:53.409 --> 01:50:54.250
this abstract.
1641
01:50:54.369 --> 01:50:56.369
Sounds like Trump derangement syndrome or some.
1642
01:50:56.409 --> 01:50:59.149
Correct. Correct. Many of us may be unknowingly suffering from
1643
01:50:59.250 --> 01:51:02.590
information disorder syndrome. It is more prevalent due to the
1644
01:51:02.649 --> 01:51:06.789
digitized world where the information flows to every individual's phone,
1645
01:51:06.829 --> 01:51:10.529
tablet and computer in no time. Information disorder syndrome is
1646
01:51:10.569 --> 01:51:13.699
the sharing or developing of false information with or without
1647
01:51:13.720 --> 01:51:17.039
the intent of harming as they are categorized as misinformation,
1648
01:51:17.100 --> 01:51:21.739
disinformation and malinformation. The severity of the syndrome is categorized
1649
01:51:21.800 --> 01:51:25.479
into three grades. Grade one is a milder form, which
1650
01:51:25.560 --> 01:51:28.789
the individual shares false information without the intent of harming others.
1651
01:51:29.189 --> 01:51:31.710
Grade two is a moderate form in which the individual
1652
01:51:31.750 --> 01:51:34.350
develops and shares false information with the intent of making
1653
01:51:34.409 --> 01:51:36.869
money and political gain, but not with the intent of
1654
01:51:36.909 --> 01:51:39.819
harming people. And grade three is a severe form in
1655
01:51:39.859 --> 01:51:43.039
which the individual develops and shares false information with the
1656
01:51:43.079 --> 01:51:47.409
intent of harming others. The management of this disorder requires
1657
01:51:47.689 --> 01:51:51.989
the management of false information, which is rumor surveillance, targeted messaging,
1658
01:51:52.029 --> 01:51:56.199
and community engagement. Repeated sufferers at the grade one level,
1659
01:51:56.340 --> 01:51:59.819
all sufferers from grade two and three need psychosocial counseling
1660
01:52:00.260 --> 01:52:03.720
and sometimes require strong regulations and enforcement to control such
1661
01:52:03.760 --> 01:52:07.310
information disorder. The most critical intervention is to be mindful
1662
01:52:07.350 --> 01:52:09.189
of the fact that not all posts in social media
1663
01:52:09.250 --> 01:52:12.449
and news are real and need to be interpreted carefully.
1664
01:52:13.170 --> 01:52:17.989
So the... They're starting to turn us pushing out factual information.
1665
01:52:18.010 --> 01:52:19.729
They're turning that into a disorder that they'll be able
1666
01:52:19.770 --> 01:52:20.510
to lock us up for.
1667
01:52:20.670 --> 01:52:24.250
Well, this is scary because this coincides with the laws
1668
01:52:24.289 --> 01:52:28.350
that they're trying to pass regarding domestic terrorism and who
1669
01:52:28.390 --> 01:52:32.189
they can declare domestic terrorists. I think this all is
1670
01:52:32.210 --> 01:52:36.180
going to go together as an attack on free thinkers
1671
01:52:36.300 --> 01:52:40.460
and on people who are questioning the narrative. And that
1672
01:52:40.479 --> 01:52:41.039
calls on us.
1673
01:52:41.619 --> 01:52:43.260
And you know what that's going to lead to? That's
1674
01:52:43.279 --> 01:52:46.909
going to become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Because at some point
1675
01:52:46.949 --> 01:52:50.189
in time, people are going to say, if I'm going
1676
01:52:50.210 --> 01:52:53.090
to do the crime, if I'm going to do the time,
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01:52:53.149 --> 01:52:55.989
I might as well do the crime. That's the fucking
1678
01:52:56.029 --> 01:52:58.989
attitude that people will eventually lead to. If people know
1679
01:52:59.010 --> 01:53:01.029
that they're ultimately going to be thrown in jail for
1680
01:53:01.510 --> 01:53:06.649
publishing their information, knowing that they'll go to jail, eventually
1681
01:53:06.699 --> 01:53:10.659
they're just going to turn to blowing things up. Because
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01:53:10.699 --> 01:53:12.420
that's the crime they're going to go to jail for.
1683
01:53:12.800 --> 01:53:15.260
So they might as well do the crime, right? So, yeah,
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01:53:15.939 --> 01:53:18.439
it's ridiculous what they're doing. It's nonsensical. All this stuff
1685
01:53:18.460 --> 01:53:20.729
will be overturned in courts if it ever gets that far.
1686
01:53:21.100 --> 01:53:23.850
But it doesn't matter because it will influence the mind
1687
01:53:23.890 --> 01:53:26.750
of the population on a large scale. And it will
1688
01:53:26.770 --> 01:53:32.189
become part of the zeitgeist, so to speak.
1689
01:53:33.010 --> 01:53:36.829
It seems like we're in a lull for fear campaigns
1690
01:53:36.890 --> 01:53:40.310
right now. We're in between... The COVID jabs and the
1691
01:53:40.390 --> 01:53:42.989
next big thing. I thought for a while we would
1692
01:53:43.029 --> 01:53:45.920
see a fake UFO invasion, but I don't know. It
1693
01:53:46.140 --> 01:53:48.539
seems like they spent way too much time and energy
1694
01:53:48.579 --> 01:53:54.039
and money into the whole jabs and boosters and COVID
1695
01:53:54.079 --> 01:53:57.460
agenda to let that just fall apart. Do you see
1696
01:53:57.500 --> 01:53:59.500
a pandemic, too, in the future?
1697
01:53:59.520 --> 01:54:01.449
No, because nobody's going to buy it.
1698
01:54:02.020 --> 01:54:03.319
Yeah, nobody's going to buy that.
1699
01:54:03.640 --> 01:54:05.439
You're full of shit, you know what I mean?
1700
01:54:06.020 --> 01:54:06.100
What?
1701
01:54:07.060 --> 01:54:09.850
See, I'm black billed. I'm the worst person to ask
1702
01:54:10.010 --> 01:54:12.609
about where's our future going? Because if you ask me,
1703
01:54:13.109 --> 01:54:15.149
everyone needs to get guns because they're eventually going to
1704
01:54:15.189 --> 01:54:16.810
come for you and you need to shoot whoever comes
1705
01:54:16.850 --> 01:54:20.109
for you. That's my opinion on it. And that's what's
1706
01:54:20.130 --> 01:54:22.489
going to kick off a revolution in this country. The
1707
01:54:22.529 --> 01:54:24.229
cops are going to go for somebody they shouldn't go for.
1708
01:54:24.529 --> 01:54:26.489
Someone's going to fight back and kill the cops. There's
1709
01:54:26.520 --> 01:54:28.310
going to be a big standoff. It's going to hit
1710
01:54:28.359 --> 01:54:30.399
the news. Then there's going to be a big debate
1711
01:54:30.500 --> 01:54:33.020
over the civil rights violations of the cops trying to
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01:54:33.060 --> 01:54:35.420
be there in the first place. And a revolution will spark.
1713
01:54:36.510 --> 01:54:39.100
What do you think about RFK? I want to get
1714
01:54:39.149 --> 01:54:42.149
your thoughts on this, dude. There's people that still have
1715
01:54:42.229 --> 01:54:46.970
the political savior complex, like some Muppet in office is
1716
01:54:47.010 --> 01:54:49.350
going to make a difference about anything, and that's just
1717
01:54:49.369 --> 01:54:51.390
the way I feel about it. But what do you think?
1718
01:54:52.329 --> 01:54:54.329
I think he means well. I think he's true in
1719
01:54:54.350 --> 01:54:57.689
what he says. I think it's historic that a Kennedy
1720
01:54:57.750 --> 01:55:01.850
is running for president. People don't understand. People don't understand
1721
01:55:01.909 --> 01:55:04.310
how historic it is, how important it is for America.
1722
01:55:04.720 --> 01:55:07.500
what it's saying about America and the implications in regards
1723
01:55:07.520 --> 01:55:10.489
to the Kennedy assassination. Like when you understand who the
1724
01:55:10.529 --> 01:55:12.590
Kennedys were and why Kennedy was fucking killed in the
1725
01:55:12.609 --> 01:55:15.909
first place. And then you see that all Kennedys were
1726
01:55:15.949 --> 01:55:19.699
killed or warned because Ed Kennedy, Edward Kennedy, the Chappaquiddick
1727
01:55:19.779 --> 01:55:21.319
and the running off the road.
1728
01:55:21.500 --> 01:55:21.619
Yeah.
1729
01:55:22.170 --> 01:55:24.289
He was run off the road. He wasn't drunk and
1730
01:55:24.310 --> 01:55:26.569
drove off the road. He was run off the road.
1731
01:55:26.880 --> 01:55:28.779
It was a warning to him to not step out
1732
01:55:28.819 --> 01:55:29.840
of line like his brothers.
1733
01:55:29.939 --> 01:55:32.760
So that being said, do you think there's any way
1734
01:55:32.800 --> 01:55:35.699
this dude would ever possibly be allowed to get into
1735
01:55:35.739 --> 01:55:37.869
that position? I don't see that ever happening.
1736
01:55:38.670 --> 01:55:44.069
Honestly, we're entering into uncharted territory. I don't understand. I
1737
01:55:44.090 --> 01:55:46.600
don't know. Honestly, I don't know what's happening right now.
1738
01:55:46.750 --> 01:55:50.340
Well, there is a lot of crumbling of systems because
1739
01:55:50.920 --> 01:55:53.920
of the mistakes that are being made at these elite levels.
1740
01:55:53.979 --> 01:55:56.439
I think they tried to roll everything out too fast.
1741
01:55:57.039 --> 01:56:00.079
And there's a lot of these agendas that are crumbling
1742
01:56:00.180 --> 01:56:03.479
right in front of their faces. And this is causing
1743
01:56:03.560 --> 01:56:06.789
people to question every other narrative that they put forward.
1744
01:56:06.869 --> 01:56:09.829
So we are in a very interesting place right now.
1745
01:56:10.430 --> 01:56:14.159
With the amount of people that have... raises an eyebrow at,
1746
01:56:14.260 --> 01:56:16.779
at some of the stuff that's going on just alone.
1747
01:56:17.300 --> 01:56:18.779
It puts us in an interesting place.
1748
01:56:19.920 --> 01:56:26.000
Yes. Um, I'm oddly optimistic for the next election, but
1749
01:56:26.899 --> 01:56:28.850
you know, I'm just one of these guys who just
1750
01:56:28.859 --> 01:56:31.550
wants to see it all burn. So like I said,
1751
01:56:31.670 --> 01:56:34.210
like I'm the worst guy to give actual, you know,
1752
01:56:34.250 --> 01:56:34.869
helpful commentary.
1753
01:56:34.930 --> 01:56:37.369
I just think, you know, if they, if they ever
1754
01:56:37.470 --> 01:56:42.439
would allow someone that has good intentions to towards us,
1755
01:56:42.500 --> 01:56:45.539
the people in there that it would end up immediately
1756
01:56:45.600 --> 01:56:48.380
like JFK, but I don't think they do. I thought,
1757
01:56:48.500 --> 01:56:50.800
I think they thought they had control over Trump and
1758
01:56:50.859 --> 01:56:54.960
maybe he got cocky and tried to, to do something.
1759
01:56:55.220 --> 01:56:58.319
But again, he was shut down. I don't think this
1760
01:56:58.399 --> 01:56:58.970
is real.
1761
01:56:59.279 --> 01:57:00.659
If we were going to have anything, any kind of
1762
01:57:00.689 --> 01:57:02.350
success in this country, there would have to be a
1763
01:57:02.430 --> 01:57:04.710
coup and it would have to involve the military and
1764
01:57:04.729 --> 01:57:06.510
it would have to be like a, like a, like
1765
01:57:07.510 --> 01:57:10.869
a benevolent coup, right? Like, Because number one, you'd have
1766
01:57:10.890 --> 01:57:14.529
to shut down the CIA entirely, like entirely. Even if
1767
01:57:14.569 --> 01:57:17.149
it was just a restructuring, everybody needs to go. 100%
1768
01:57:17.149 --> 01:57:19.430
of people. Like if you're hired at the CIA, you've
1769
01:57:19.449 --> 01:57:21.649
got to go. And in order to do that, you
1770
01:57:21.670 --> 01:57:24.180
need to have massive amounts of people to detain people
1771
01:57:24.300 --> 01:57:26.579
at the building as you're shutting them down. Unless you
1772
01:57:26.600 --> 01:57:28.359
were to do it slow and subtly. But then if
1773
01:57:28.380 --> 01:57:29.760
you do it slow and subtly, they'll catch on to
1774
01:57:29.800 --> 01:57:31.220
what you're doing and they'll come up with a plan
1775
01:57:31.260 --> 01:57:32.979
to sabotage you, right? So you have to do it
1776
01:57:33.000 --> 01:57:35.520
all at once. So doing it all at once requires
1777
01:57:35.859 --> 01:57:39.439
people being taken into custody, requires the military. And if
1778
01:57:39.460 --> 01:57:41.659
the military knows what you're doing, the leadership of the
1779
01:57:41.699 --> 01:57:43.439
military is going to not be along with it. So
1780
01:57:43.460 --> 01:57:45.260
they're going to have to go too. So you're going
1781
01:57:45.279 --> 01:57:47.090
to have to have a massive plan in place that
1782
01:57:47.119 --> 01:57:51.550
involves a military coup that will oust the current military leadership,
1783
01:57:51.710 --> 01:57:56.250
CIA leadership, ATF, all the government three-letter agencies. You would
1784
01:57:56.270 --> 01:57:59.140
have to have a simultaneous fucking arrest of the leadership
1785
01:57:59.220 --> 01:58:01.180
all at once, which means you'd have to have people
1786
01:58:01.220 --> 01:58:03.159
in the U.S. Army who were doing this at a
1787
01:58:03.199 --> 01:58:05.020
high level who were in with you to begin with,
1788
01:58:05.359 --> 01:58:08.789
which means they'd be conspiring against their leadership. Right, yeah,
1789
01:58:08.890 --> 01:58:11.770
there's no way around it. I mean, there's no way
1790
01:58:11.810 --> 01:58:13.569
around it. That's what would have to happen. Unless you
1791
01:58:13.590 --> 01:58:16.899
have an overt violent revolution where ex-Navy SEALs storm the
1792
01:58:16.909 --> 01:58:21.079
White House, take control of everything, right? You'd have to
1793
01:58:21.100 --> 01:58:22.680
have them take control of all the law enforcement too.
1794
01:58:22.939 --> 01:58:25.479
So you'd need a mass, you'd need an army, basically,
1795
01:58:26.060 --> 01:58:28.659
you know, an army. It's not possible. You know, the
1796
01:58:28.699 --> 01:58:30.539
best we can hope for is that we're defeated in
1797
01:58:30.560 --> 01:58:33.529
a war by Russia and that Russia allows us to
1798
01:58:33.590 --> 01:58:36.989
restructure in a way that is not horrible.
1799
01:58:37.710 --> 01:58:39.789
Oh, man. That is.
1800
01:58:39.850 --> 01:58:40.789
I don't see an alternative.
1801
01:58:41.109 --> 01:58:44.029
That's that's pretty bleak, man. But hey, I like to
1802
01:58:44.090 --> 01:58:45.890
have some hope in it. But if we are going
1803
01:58:45.909 --> 01:58:48.340
to be invaded by Russians, it better be the hot
1804
01:58:48.380 --> 01:58:49.420
Russians in bikinis.
1805
01:58:49.460 --> 01:58:49.800
That's all.
1806
01:58:49.840 --> 01:58:51.020
That's all I got to say, man.
1807
01:58:51.119 --> 01:58:53.260
My favorite kind. All right.
1808
01:58:53.380 --> 01:58:56.060
Let's any any other revelations we need to go over
1809
01:58:56.100 --> 01:58:56.960
before we close out?
1810
01:58:58.149 --> 01:59:00.770
No, but the revelation that everyone at home should have
1811
01:59:00.850 --> 01:59:03.149
is that my book has been available for pre-order for
1812
01:59:03.170 --> 01:59:05.510
a while now. And that pre-order is going to be
1813
01:59:05.529 --> 01:59:09.020
coming to an end probably in the next month or so,
1814
01:59:09.140 --> 01:59:11.600
because I'm going to leave a little bit of, there's
1815
01:59:11.619 --> 01:59:13.220
going to be a couple of week gap between the
1816
01:59:13.239 --> 01:59:15.060
time the pre-order is done and the book is actually
1817
01:59:15.079 --> 01:59:17.220
available for sale. So you probably got about a month
1818
01:59:17.260 --> 01:59:20.359
to do the pre-order for 25 bucks. You get four chapters,
1819
01:59:20.399 --> 01:59:22.630
you get my complete notes and you get a pre-order
1820
01:59:22.649 --> 01:59:25.439
copy of the ebook when it's available. which I'll be
1821
01:59:25.899 --> 01:59:29.380
just mailing to everybody who pre-orders it. Once that is
1822
01:59:29.539 --> 01:59:32.420
over with and the book is available for sale, you'll
1823
01:59:32.439 --> 01:59:34.609
be able to get the book for the same price, 20,
1824
01:59:34.609 --> 01:59:36.569
25 bucks. I haven't decided the pricing on that yet.
1825
01:59:37.189 --> 01:59:38.670
But in order to get my notes or any of
1826
01:59:38.689 --> 01:59:40.970
the other perks and stuff, it's going to cost them
1827
01:59:40.989 --> 01:59:44.229
a significant amount of money more. So anybody interested in
1828
01:59:44.270 --> 01:59:46.590
getting my notes? My notes are really the thing. My
1829
01:59:46.630 --> 01:59:49.409
notes are worth, they're priceless. It's got everything in there.
1830
01:59:49.439 --> 01:59:51.479
Stuff that's not even in this book. Tons of stuff
1831
01:59:51.520 --> 01:59:53.000
is not even, it's probably the notes for the next
1832
01:59:53.039 --> 01:59:56.239
two books also. You know, you get that for $ 25
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01:59:55.819 --> 01:59:58.470
when you pre-order. When the book actually comes out, you'll
1834
01:59:58.489 --> 02:00:00.029
be able to get that, but it's going to be
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significantly more expensive.
1836
02:00:02.609 --> 02:00:05.770
Right on, right on. Corey, thank you so much. Let
1837
02:00:05.869 --> 02:00:09.069
everyone know where they can find all your other stuff,
1838
02:00:09.109 --> 02:00:11.289
like your website and all the shows you host.
1839
02:00:11.729 --> 02:00:14.470
Yeah, so go to CoreyHughes.org. It's got everything. But I
1840
02:00:14.890 --> 02:00:16.890
started about a month ago at Daily, which I've actually
1841
02:00:16.930 --> 02:00:21.310
done 25 episodes in a month. Crazy. It's about 50 hours,
1842
02:00:21.449 --> 02:00:26.720
almost 50 hours, 45 hours worth of... minute detail on Kennedy.
1843
02:00:27.079 --> 02:00:29.819
It's called Corey's Bloody History. It's on podcast platforms and
1844
02:00:30.119 --> 02:00:32.479
Rockfin and Rumble and all that stuff. But it is
1845
02:00:32.520 --> 02:00:36.279
the absolute best Kennedy show that's ever been. It's the
1846
02:00:36.319 --> 02:00:41.380
most explicit, meaning detailed show that's ever been out on Kennedy.
1847
02:00:41.720 --> 02:00:44.039
And if you like my work on Kennedy, you got
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02:00:44.079 --> 02:00:47.260
at least 40 to 45 hours of stuff waiting on
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02:00:47.300 --> 02:00:49.569
that new show, Corey Hughes' Bloody History. So that's it.
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And pre-order the book.
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And every Sunday you got the most dangerous show on
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the interwebs, Day Zero as well.
1853
02:00:55.479 --> 02:00:56.600
Day Zero as well, yes.
1854
02:00:57.140 --> 02:00:57.380
Awesome.
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02:00:57.399 --> 02:00:57.880
Day Zero.
1856
02:00:58.079 --> 02:00:59.699
All right, Corey, thank you so much. We'll do it
1857
02:00:59.739 --> 02:01:02.850
again soon. And until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening.
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