Peter Bronson - Forbidden Fruit - Sin City's Underworld and the Supper Club Inferno

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Seven six Syriph about KROCG talk Station a very special Tuesday,
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the Return and in studio which I dearly love. I
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love talking to Peter Bronson. Y. I think everybody in
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the audience knows Peter Bronson, long time with The Inquirer
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and famous aunor author and publisher. Chilidogpress dot com is
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where you find Peter. If you're interested in having your
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book published, you might want to consult with Peter. I
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know he has published quite a few books, and he
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has written some absolutely amazing books. Props for his writing
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style and how interesting the books are. The Man to
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Save Cincinnati. We've had him on for that one. Behind
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the Lines, the Untold Story of the Riots, the Cincinnati
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Riots exactly a great chapter in the City of Cincinnati's world.
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But the book we're going to talk about today a
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little bit o the Manucape Cincinnati, History of Queen City,
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the Queen City of the West. That was fascinating.
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Peter.
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You revealed some really wild stuff about how absolutely I guess,
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completely lawless the area was before things got settled down,
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and I thought the most this was weird.
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Thing.
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Interesting thing is it was a lot safer over in
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Kentucky than it wasn't Cincinnati couldn't hand you back in.
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Man as a surprise. Hey, thank you for the kind introduction.
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Brian.
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It's a pleasure to be with you well.
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And the one we're going to focus on today, I
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don't know if I have to put him in order
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of favorites.
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I think it is my favorite.
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Forbidden Fruit, Sin Cities, Underworld and the supper Club Inferno,
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and you trace the whole Newport, Kentucky, Northern Kentucky area
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from its its mob heyday all the way through the
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burning down of the the Beverly Hill Supper Club, which
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anniversary forty eighth anniversary tomorrow. And I know when you're
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coming in. You heard my friend doctor Jay called us.
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He was the floor manager, a twenty year old kid,
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and he's the one that got the folks out of
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that living room right when are the main dining room,
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right when the smoke started coming.
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There are so many stories like that, Brian.
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Now that I've been out kind of on the tour
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of speaking, I always talk about the Beverly Hill Supper
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Club when I do speaking events. And when I asked
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the people in the crowd how many of you were there?
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That night, or know somebody who was there. You'd be
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amazed how many hands go up. This is something that's
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still all these years later, forty eight years later. Yeah,
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Lingers and people. It's like for people in Cincinnati. I
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always say, that's kind of equivalent to how all of
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us felt when JFK was killed. We know right where
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we were and what was going on. Well, for people
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in Cincinnati when the supper club burned, they can tell
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you exactly what they were doing, how they saw the
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lights in the sky and all the fire engines going
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there from everywhere. It was like the hugest calamity in
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Cincinnati that anybody knows.
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Bomb.
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Yeah, I could not possibly disagree with you, because you know,
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I remember where I was. It was a home watching
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on television where he had the live reporting there. Yeah,
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and I mean yeah, yeah, he remember who.
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He got to jump on it because he was the
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only one who had the mobile unit the van.
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They had just debuted their van that week.
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How about that.
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And he was the first mobile report van in the
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whole Tri state area.
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It's amazing how far we've come that everybody with a
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cell phone can literally anywhere you.
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Are, anybody everywhere, but fortunately.
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And the what I've learned over the years. And you know,
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I remember being in law school and Stan Chesley, who
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does not exactly have a stellar reputation anymore considering everything
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that he's done over his life, but he was the
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lead plaineiff lawyer in the lawsuit against the aluminum wiring
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manufacturing companies h And he gave this presentation to the
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law class, and you know how he had this smoke
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This is the smoking gun letter right here, and this
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is the and when it had literally nothing at all
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to do with the wiring.
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Actually, yeah, I mean that's it's very obvious now from
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the evidence that I was able to uncover.
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Well, the evidence that was covered up, Oh.
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It's been unbelievable. It was like a twenty thirty year
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cover up, and it's all there now you can look
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at it. I mean, things like in the FBI memo
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where people a guy came in and told the FBI
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two weeks before the fire that he heard guys on
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an airplane sitting near him talking about torching the supper club.
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They mentioned the family that owned it, the Shilling family,
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had people on the inside. All these things, it's all
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in an FBI memo that you can obtain if you
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know how to get to the FBI vault and so forth.
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But then there was also a letter that was in
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the mailbox for the These are just scraps of evidence,
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but lots of it. A letter that was in the
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mailbox at the Shillings home when they got home that
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night after the fire that said, you keep building, will
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keep burning. Is it more obvious than that that it
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wasn't some accident of aluminum wiring?
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And then the photographic evidence that was hidden away in
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a box that wasn't turned over, That the fact that
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the fire marshal didn't do an inspection, that they bulldozed
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the building.
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That fire marshal was told to get the bleep out
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of here by the ovenor because he wanted his Kentucky
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State Police commander to investigate who was also corrupt?
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Everybody was corrupt, well, the mob.
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This is the bigger story. When the mob moved in
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and this is true today too in a lot of ways.
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But when the mob moved into a community and they
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were everywhere, the corruption was like a cancer, and it
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went everywhere, and it went as high as long as
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you could be there. The higher it went, the higher
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it went through judges, through politicians, through state reps, then
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to congressman, then to the White House.
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I mean, we've seen all this in our history.
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Well, and you know, if you watch any of the
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mob movies, think of The Godfather, you think of all
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the old mom movies that you know, we owned the
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police and I need the protection from the police. You
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got to share the police.
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That was all.
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I mean, that's all based on fact. You think it's
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some kind of cliche some all that's just the movies. No, no,
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this is all real.
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And there's a funny line I read the other day
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from uh It's attributed to in Mexico, but it's true
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for this too. If you have a problem, a crime committed,
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and you go to the police, now you have two problems,
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exactly right.
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Well, let's let's start in you know, the May couple
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of minutes. Let's get a little tip of the iceberg.
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Because the supper Club fire was like the culmination of
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what had been building for decades in terms of the
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corruption of mob activity in northern Kentucky. How did the
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mob and this was the I guess Northern Kentucky was
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the hub in at least the Midwest for mob activity.
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You know, people think about New York and Chicago, they.
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Called it Little Mexico, they called it sin city, but
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it was big time.
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And how did it land here? How did it get established,
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of all places northern Kentucky.
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Well, it really started with George Remas, who was the
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king of bootleggers. And if you want to back it
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up even a little farther, it started with Prohibition. The
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Mob was really kind of an isolated phenomenon before Prohibition
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that was confined to the New York New Jersey corridor
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in Chicago and La you know, the big cities where
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they had huge Italian American communities. But after Prohibition, the
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Mob saw this opportunity. Here's this vast public demand for
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something the government has decided won't be legal, and they
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started providing the bootleg booze. And it was George Remas
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and Cincinnati who really cornered the market. So he was
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not only the king of bootleggers locally, he was the
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king of bootleggers nationally. And his distribution hub, he said,
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he bribed so many people, and since Sinnati, it was unbelievable,
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but it was a lot easier to bribe and take
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over the government in Newport because it's smaller and your
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people with the handout. So he put his distribution center
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in northern Kentucky and from there he corrupted the entire
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Newport Covington area. The whole thing was just I mean, police, judges,
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council members, everybody, prosecutors, just.
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So the established mob networks that existed pre prohibition were
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they was it mostly protection, money and prostitution and maybe gambling.
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I guess I don't know to what degree gambling was illegal,
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But did they do like numbers rackets kind of thing
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back then?
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Yeah, numbers, But I mean gambling was supposedly illegal, but
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it was pretty flagrant.
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Everywhere really cares.
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Yeah, I mean Cincinnati had Elmwood Place was the bookie parlors,
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and I mean there's all over the city you had
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places that were doing that. And Northern Kentucky, of course,
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you couldn't even walk in. According to the Key Fauv
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Report in the nineteen fifties, you could not walk into
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a cafe anywhere in Newport without finding slots and bookie
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chalkboards in the back room, taking bats on the horses
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just right there, right there in flagrant. They even had
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horse races broadcast on the radio.
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In these places, that's great, so you wouldn't miss.
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You know, you can just go in and lose all
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your everything you made that morning at work, and.
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I'm sure a lot of police officers came in and placebook.
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I made book two.
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Oh yeah, absolutely.
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My grandfather, my dad's father, was a bookmaker. He ran
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Pat's Saloon, which is right next to the courthouse. Really
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owned pat and the primary source of income for my
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grandfather was bookmaking. I think the bar was just basically
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a front for it. But that was here in the
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city of Cincinnati.
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Well, the corruption was so endemic. For example, in Wilder, Kentucky,
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the town Marshall, Big Jim Harris, he was also the
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owner of the city's biggest brothel, and it.
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Was everybody knew it. Everybody knew it.
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Seven twenty one if you've got KRCD talk station Bryan
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Timas with Peter Bronson in studio, Author Extraordinary and publisher
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again Chili dog press dot Com, where you find Peter's
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publishing company talking about Forbidden Fruits in City's underworld. In
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the supper Club Infernta, which of course refers to the
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Beverly Hills supper Club Anniversary tomorrow, forty eight years since
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the Beverly Hill supper Club fire, which, as Peter pointed out,
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everything in the Greaterson Sinia knows. It's like everyone knows
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about it and where they were when it happened, if
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they were alive or have at least heard stories about it.
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And as the years roll on, the more and more
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we learn about it. Peter writes all about it and
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Forbidden Fruit now going back to remas the guy that
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cornered the liquor the prohibition liquor distributions. But I know
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in your book you point out beginning in nineteen thirty six,
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this mob activity that I guess existed already in the
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in the northern Kentucky Newport area, I guess drew the
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attention of the Cleveland Mob.
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Yes, I guess.
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So if you're just because you have control over a
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territory doesn't mean you're.
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Going to keep it.
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Yeah.
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Well, you know what happened is in Atlantic City in
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the twenties, the mob got together because they were having
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too many problems with al Capone calling too much tension
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with his violence and the Valentine's Day master.
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Yeah, And so the all mob leaders got together in
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Atlanta City for a summit and the idea was flies
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only this is more like fifteen twenty families. And the
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idea was, we're going to divide the USA into territories
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or franchises. And that's when the Cleveland Mob was given.
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The franchise included Michigan, Ohio, and Kentucky.
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Okay.
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So then Mo Dallas, who's the big boss of the
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Cleveland Four, the Silent Syndicate, they were the opposite of component.
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They kept a very low profile, didn't want any publicity
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or attention drawn to them. Very smart, right, And when
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he came down to see the Beverly Hills Country Club,
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which is what it was called, that it was still
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the showplace of the nation. And this was the finest
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carpet joint anywhere. I mean it was the carpet joint
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was the classy casino, sure or mob joint. So this
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was the finest carpet joint anywhere.
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And he dress up with them.
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Yeah, yeah, they were their best.
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I mean men were actually were tails and bow ties everything,
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and the women were all dressed to the nines and
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their gowns and jewels. So the carpet joints also were
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more fair. They didn't cheat you quite the way the
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bust out joints did. Okay, But when he saw this place,
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it's so classy and so cool, he said, I've got
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to have this, and he issued an ultimatum to Pete Schmidt,
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who was a crony and gangster.
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For George Remas I see.
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So when George went to prison, Pete kind of took
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over Newport and he's running this fantastic place and he
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tells him we'll buy you out or will burn you out,
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And Pete, being a tough gangster who'd been in shootouts
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with the Feds and run a lot of really oh yeah,
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Pete says basically nope and turns his back on him,
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and sure enough they burn him out. They set fire
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to the club in nineteen thirty six in February maybe
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it's January, they have to check anyway, and early in
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the year, and a little girl who is five years
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old was killed in that fire. She was the sister
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of the caretaker, caretaker's wife who was staying overnight with them,
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and the men went in and set that on fire
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were finally caught, except for Red Masterson.
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So Red Masterson, Yeah, that name, that name doesn't ring
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a bell to me. I know you mentioned all kinds
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of characters, and I never knew that Sleep Out Louis
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was a guy. I knew it was a club on
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second St. They have all these mob characters, which is
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just really fascinating. All this connection with our with our
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local community.
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It's really hard to believe this stuff really happened here,
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isn't it It is?
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I mean it it's it's That's why I thought this
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book was just so absolutely fascinating. It's one of those
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you can't put it down. I mean familiar at all
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with us, with the with just the concept that northern
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Kentucky was this hotbed for prostitution and extortion and gambling
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and UH and bootlegging and a line go and it
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is a real page turner. So make thank you listeners
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get a copy. Joe added back to the way Upset
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at fifty five cars dot Com. We'll continue with more
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conversation about mob activity in the Beverly Hill Supper Club
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fire with Peter Brownson after I put a good word
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in for my friend Susette Loasa Camp. She is with
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Cross Country Mortgage, and the name Cross Country Mortgage really
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even Puerto Rico. She can help you with all of
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traffick rather quickly, Teorg Shephard Chuck king ramon fifty five
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Hey seven thirty fifty five KRCD talk station. Yes, I
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am remissing my obligations to thank you Peter Bronson, as
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had come off Memorial Day weekend and thanks to cribbage, Mike,
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my submarine or friend proudly served his country underwater for
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a long time. Wanted to thank you for your two
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legacy of courage books that you collaborated on with Cheryl
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Pop from Hoterfly tri State.
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Well, the honor was all mine to be with those
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veterans and tell their stories. And I was thinking of
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them and their stories a lot over the I bet
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the Memorial Day weekend. It's just there were so many
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amazing tales of what these men went through. And these
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are people that a lot of us would know. Some
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you don't, but some of them are pretty high profile
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people in Cincinnati, and they just they did some heroic
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things and then came back and that was all put away,
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and nobody talked about it.
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I know.
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And that's the thing that nobody talked about it. That
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is just a phenomenon among veterans, especially those who've seen combat.
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It's just not something you want to be reminded of,
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and to speak of it brings back some bad memories.
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But man, the heroism, it's so worthy of them, you know,
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letting us know what they went through and the courage
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and bravery it takes to serve in the American military.
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So God bless you for putting that pend paper.
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Thank you.
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Cheryl does a great job. He does, Cheryl and Tom
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Popp with the Honor Flight, that's just fantastic.
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Terrific organization.
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Pivoting back to Forbidden Fruit, and I wanted to find
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out because I was wildly curious. You mentioned the succession
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we go from Remus to the Cleveland Mob taking over
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and their designs for the Beverly Hill Supper Club. You
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described it as one of the best finest places, show
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place of the nation kind of place.
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Yeah, it was still the country Club up until they
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closed it up in the nineteen sixties when Bobby Kennedy,
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the Attorney General, came to Newport and umigated it, and
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all the big boys from Cleveland and the New York
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and Chicago mobs fled to Las Vegas. So that's the
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turning point, that's the big spot, and then the country
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was known as the Beverly Hills Country Club. It was
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absolutely gorgeous place, fantastically expensive chandeliers and all the furnishings
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were spectacular.
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It was boarded up for about ten years, just empty.
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So that's how the Shillings ended up acquiring.
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Yeah, So he always wondered about that transition because obviously
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since the mob burned it down again later with these
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forty eighth anniversary tomorrow of the Supper Club fire, there
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was demand for it. Why was it boarded up for
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those ten years? Is that because the mobs had just
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been eliminated and no one had designs on it.
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Well, when Bobby Kennedy got involved with the Ratterman scandal,
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he came and sent one of his top us attorneys
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to come to Newport with the mission to clean it up.
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Andy Claire wore on the Mob on behalf of the Kennedys.
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So the Kennedys declared war on organized crime right in Newport,
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all right, and that led to that vendetta that It's
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very interesting, but that's.
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Where a lot of the conspiracy theories come about, with
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Kennedy's sea.
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With the mob being involved.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, they're still getting information out about that.
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We've got another book.
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To write, Peter, and your book on Kennedy to the
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list of the nine thousand books that have been written
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on Kennedy. All kidness, all right. So the Shilling family,
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now I knew they owned the Lookout House and that
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wouldn't burn down too Any suspicions around how.
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That happened, Oh yeah, definitely.
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You know there were before leading up to the Beverly
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Hills Supper Club fire in nineteen seventy seven. Every year
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in northern Kentucky there was a spectacular, suspicious fire, and
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in all of those cases, the fire marshals suspected arson
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and said they found evidence of accelerants and they just
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couldn't look out house was one of them.
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There were a bunch of nightclubs.
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There were all these famous restaurants that people would remember,
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and every year this happens and they're all mob fires, right,
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and then all of a sudden, in nineteen seventy seven,
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the supper club burns and the first thing the governor
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says when he shows up on the scene is it's
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an accident.
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That's kind of like saying nine to eleven.
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Just an isolated incident, folks, has nothing to do with terrorism.
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Nothing to see here, all right.
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So the vacuum that was left when Kennedy came in
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and cleaned out the Chicago mob, the other mob activity
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northern Kentucky.
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Who filled that void?
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What mob came in and then started engaging in this
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you know, the arsons and I guess probably illegal gambling, prostitution,
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and drugs.
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Yeah, who was it?
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It was kind of a period of disorganized crime. But
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the big boss at that time was Screw Andrews, who
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grew up right here in Cincinnati.
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Screw Andrews Yeah.
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His real name was Frank Andreola Well and he was
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a really bad guy. He was a murderer, a brawler,
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a thug. He ran the numbers rackets on the west
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side of Cincinnati and all the black neighborhoods.
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There was a huge numbers racket.
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He ran that out of Newport, and he ran all
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the brothels in northern Kentucky, and there were many, And
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then the Northern Kentucky scene gradually devolved into Cincinnati's sin strip.
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Yeah, just as long as it was taking place over there,
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the politicians in Cincinnati were like, okay, I don't care
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to keep it over there, going over there, yep. So
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we had a more we had a less corrupt environment
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on the north side of the river. And as long
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as you were able to fulfill your your sinful needs
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across the river, that would say okay.
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Yeah, you had your adult playground across the river. So
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cincinnati sinstrip really was Newport and all cities in the
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seventies had a sin strip, right, I mean, if we
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grew up in that period, you knew it. That's where
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the X rated theaters where yeah, the X rayed theater,
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the dirty book stores, the topless clubs, all of that stuff.
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So at that time Newport had seventeen strip clubs on
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Monmouth Street alone. He's Louise, Yeah, I mean it was
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totally the sin strip. It was pretty ridiculous. But so
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Screw Andrews took over and he's pretty much running. And
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Bobby Kennedy when he came in, he did had the
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irs to a study and he determined that the handle
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meaning that's the word for the take the profit of
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the mobs gambling in Newport, and they were the national
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hub for layoff betting, which is sort of the betting
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of that insurance for all about anyway, the handle was
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greater than the combined tax revenues of Ohio and Kentucky.
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Oh god, yeah, oh.
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I told you folks.
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Fun facts and Peter Brons and author are forbidden fruits
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in cities underworld of the supper club Inferno. More with
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Peter after these brief words here for but Herbert Motors.
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I love those folks at Butt Herbert, and thank you
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Jim Keifer Westside, Jim or steer me in the right
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direction now. From my horrific box store experience trying to
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get a new lawnmower from my yard and went to
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the box store stupidly not knowing about but Herbert Motors
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at the time, which is why I'm so pleased to
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be able to steer you in their direction, and got
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a piece of garbage which I was not aware, and
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of course the guy sold it to me. He didn't
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tell me anything about it because he didn't know anything
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about it. It just caunked out the first day I
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had it, so I had to pack it back up,
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take it back to the box store, return it. And
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Keifer heard me lamenting that, and he said, Brian, but
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Herbert Motors, fifth generation familine operator. You work with a
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x Mark Steel. I've got a lot of steel equipment.
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a great job, had it for years now, They serviced
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it recently.
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And Herbert Family.
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We lost my herses.
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Ken and I what a fore caask clouds yes, chance rain, yes,
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sixty four for high today, same thing, overnight clouds with
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a few showers fifty seven will mostly cloudy, slight chance
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range tomorrow seventy for the high overnight fifty seven with
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more clowns and slight chance of showers. Oh look Lord
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bowl Thursday, same thing, more clowns, well, possibility for rain
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and a high in the lowest seventies sixty degrees.
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Right now, traffic up day time from the ucup Tramphing Center.
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more at you see Health southbound seventy five. That is
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a slow go extra half hour out of Sharon Bill
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to an accident that hands the left two lanes blocked
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off just above the Reagan Highway northbound seventy five slows
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Buttermilk to Kyle's and again between Mitchell and Town Street,
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chucking romon fifty five krs.
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The talk station.
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Fifty five Kers talk Station A Very Happy two is
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the extra special Peter Bronson and Studio talking about the
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forty eighth anniversary of the Beverly Hill Supper Club fire
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that's tomorrow written about in Forbidden Fruit, which traces all
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the mob activity in northern Kentucky from its earliest days
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through the burning down of the Beverly Hill Supper Club,
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which he and I both agree was done.
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By the mob.
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And okay, so we have it closed after Kennedy shows up,
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it's boarded up. Then at some point the Shilling family
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acquires it. Yes, this is after the Lookout House fire.
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The Lookout House burns and suspicious circumstances, I should add,
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And then Shilling makes his move with his brother and
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they go over and buy this this kind of time
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capsule of all this heyday. I mean, when they went
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in there, the craps tables were still there, the roulette wheels,
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which are extremely valuable today.
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But all of.
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Everything was just set up, like they just locked the
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dark poker chips on the table everything.
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But they didn't have vandals back in nor they Kentucky
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in the day.
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I guess not. I mean, or maybe people were just wise.
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They wouldn't mess with that property. You might break into
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somebody's house, but you would not mess with that.
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Property fair enough on that, And so any connection with
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the Shilling family and the mob back behind me, I
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was just wondering, Yeah, because usually when you think about this,
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the place got burned down because let's say they refuse
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to pay protection money or something. If they're not any
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direct ownership by the mob and no competing mob, fashion
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wants to go burn it down. Is that what you're
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able to complute? Because I know you have FBI documents,
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you issued Foyer request, you had talked to people when
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you were writing this that had knowledge about the interactions,
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So any who worked there's what's the story about leading
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up to that?
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Well?
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The interesting thing is that to set the context, in
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nineteen seventy seven, there was a lot of national push
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in Congress was considering legalized gambling much like we have
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it today with legal casinos and state lotteries and all
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the rest. And so Dick Shilling had big plans for
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that hilltop. He even had bulldozers on the site when
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the fire occurred, getting ready to expand, build a hotel,
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and going big, really big to legalize casino gambling.
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It was a perfect spot for it, oh sure.
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In fact, after the club years later, Dick Shilling becomes
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the godfather of riverboat gambling in Mississippi. No oh yeah,
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he was always aiming for that, and he did make
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a killing with it, you could say, pardon the pun.
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But at this time he's planning to expand his huge,
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popular and nationally known supper club show place in the nation.
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And according to the employees that I interviewed who were
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working there during that week, they said that these two
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guys uh kind of menacing types showed up one day
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and met with Shilling and his son and told them, basically,
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you fill out the check. Here's the blank check. We
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want this property, and you fill out the chick check
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or else wouldn't it be ashamed if your if your
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nightclub here burned down? And so they Chilling was a
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repetition of the it is and just like p. Schmidt,
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Shilling basically showed him the door and no uncertain terms
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and uh, what do you know? Lo and behold, within
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a short period of time the place burns.
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Wow, and such a just a tragic loss of life.
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Makes you wonder.
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And based upon you know, the photographs I've seen where
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the fire actually started, Yes, the saber room. Yeah, if
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they intended it to catch fire when it was fully packed,
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or maybe the explosive device went off at the wrong
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time or something.
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Yeah, I think that's that's the theory that I think
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is most plausible, is that even the mob didn't want
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to kill all those people, I mean, one hundred and
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sixty five people. Yeah, and of course brought national attention,
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and then it really did. Between that and other reasons,
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the whole push for casino gambling.
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Kind of never went anywhere, fell by the way side,
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at least for a while.
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So really it was a contrary to their own interests
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to have this this so tragic and.
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Yeah, and particularly we can conclude in the next segment
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on the obvious ownership of the politicians and the police
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and those that were charged with you know, actually doing
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an investigation or following through on this because clearly it
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never happened. Seven forty six fifty five Carsity Talk Station
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Weather forecasts got brains likely today, A few storms are possible,
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sixty four for the high. Overcast to night with a
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few showers, fifty seven clouds with a few showers. Tomorrow
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with the highest seventy over nine fifty seven yes, clouds
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and a few showers. And on Thursday more clouds or
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chance of ring. Low seventies for the high sixty right now, traffic.
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Tight from the UC Tramffic Center. You see health. You'll
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find comprehensive care that's so personal. I make sure best
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tomorrow possible. That's boundless care for better outcomes. Expect more.
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You see health dot Com crews continue to work for
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the reck southbound seventy five, but lanes are blocked off
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near the Regan Highway. That's backing traffic towards Glendale Milford
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for close to a half hour delay.
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Northbound seventy five.
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There's break lights from Buttermilk to Tiles and Mitchell to
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Town Kingbram on fifty five KR.
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See the talk station.
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It's seven forty nine close to seven fifty fifty five
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k City Talk station.
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Boy this hour's just flown by.
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It's always interesting conversation with Peter Brownson's here in studio.
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Most notably we're talking about again one of my favorite
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books he's written, Forbidden Fruits, since City's Underworld and the
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supper Club Inferno brought this one back to the top
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because it is the forty eighth anniversary of the Beverly
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Hills Club. Supper Club to fire tomorrow. Okay, we got
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all the background you trace this through in brief form.
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It's all in the book, folks. You got to get
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it the fire. So you got these shady characters, you know, no, No,
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s Cipriano whoever, coming in and threatening the Shilling family.
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Shilling says, no, get out of my place. Yeah, and
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then the place mysteriously burns out of the ground normally,
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and I alluded to this earlier, and you wrote about
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it as well, and it's been written about in other books.
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A fire marshal's going to come in and do a
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thorough inspection.
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They're not going to.
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Knock a place down the next day. But nonetheless, you
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have an organized attempt, which, with hindsight, an organized attempt
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to just completely cover this up and just bury it.
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Yeah, It was an amazing cover up, and it really
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surprised me because I came to this with a blank slate,
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and really I was skeptical that anything like this could
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be covered up because somewhere somebody's got to tell you
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the truth. Yeah, but they did a very good job
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at it. For example, I interviewed the assistant State fire
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Marshal who was there on the scene, went to the
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governor and said, I want to declare this The fire
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marshal said, this is a crime scene. We need to
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treat it that way, and I want to start my investigation.
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And he was told by the government to get the
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bleep out of here. State police are taking over.
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And that fire marshal he's the one that took the
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initial pictures that got covered up, right.
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I think so. And also the state police.
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State police took lots of pictures and then we never
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saw them for decades. And he puts the state police. Now,
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why would you put the state police in charge of
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a fire investigation. That's like saying I want the fire
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marshal to go after this serial killer.
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Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.
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No, it makes no sense. But it was because the
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commander of the state police was corrupt. And as I
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went through the people that were in charge of the
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investigations on a panel of about six people or seven,
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I can't recall, but there were about six people on
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this panel, all but one were involved in terrible scandals
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shortly after that or later in their careers involving corruption.
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Oh so, gosh, what.
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Do you do with them?
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It only caught up with them later revealing their maybe
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mob connections or their organized crime connections down the road
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on things unrelated to the supper club fire. But like,
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oh well that explains that.
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Yeah.
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For example, you had a chief of staff for the
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governor who was later arrested for threatening a federal judge
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and threatening to kill him.
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I mean, you had.
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All of these guys that were very shaky, I mean
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just really mobbed up or close to it, or you know.
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One of the best ways to put it is that
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they're very vulnerable to extortion by the mob.
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Okay, they were involved in things that could have destroyed
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their careers.
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And the mob only has to pick up a phone and.
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Say, like, we've got photographs of that night you were
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in the hotel room in northern Kentucky with the prostitute. Yeah, yeah, well,
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that may explain the connection to the governor then, because
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the governor is the one that ordered the place knocked
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our bulldoze the following day.
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Correct, Well, we're not sure exactly who ordered that, but
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we do know that the following day the Zebra Room,
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which was where the fire began, right in the basement
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below the Zebra Room. There's huge evidence of fire down there.
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Yes there is, and they denied that for about twenty
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five thirty years too. But so in the Zebra Room,
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what we new notice is that I have pictures in
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the book of the Clamshell Cranes that the very next
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day destroying that place first, That is the first place
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the Clamshell Cranes went to and destroyed. And they were
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not just demolishing a burned building, they were covering up
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a crime scene.
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That's still heartbreaking when you think about that level of
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corruption that it existed, and that you know, and to
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this day probably still it does exist.
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On some level, it becomes less implause, does it not.
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As we read more about what was going on with
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some of our federal agencies.
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean you mentioned off air
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of the FBI. I mean they had the goods on
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literally everybody under Jaigar Hoover.
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Yeah, and Jaegar Hoover was about as corrupt as they come.
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I was surprised with that. You know, when I got
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into this, what a whitewash he did for the Kennedy
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administration or assassination. He literally covered up mob connections between
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that were directly linked to Oswald by signing his initials
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on a memo with comments, this does not need to
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be included. Well, you know, he was compromised. It's just
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you know, when you're in spend like I did, a
804
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career in the newspaper business, you think you're pretty cynical.
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But I was not cynical enough. I was surprised again
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and again and how deep the corruption was.
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So you went in with a clean slate, with no
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preconceived notions, only to discover all of this.
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Yeah, and it's kind of a story that I'd heard
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around the newsroom when I got here in ninety two,
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and so I was fascinated by it, and of course,
812
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and I thought, well, let's find out what really happened.
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And I was quite surprised a lot of things that
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didn't match the story i'd been told that were more
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interesting or things that I thought was kind of minimized
816
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were actually much worse than I expected.
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Yeah, and you paint such a brilliant picture of this
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and all the information and details. Along with some of
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the other books that have been written. I'm not going
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to discount the work that others have done on this.
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Oh yeah, there are some great books out there, but
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the volume of evidence. You could get a grand jury
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indictment in no time. If this you spun back the
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clock and we were closer in time to the fire,
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it would be easy to get a grand jury indictment.
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And then I think easy to get a conviction because
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this is guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. If you can
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hang it around some person or some organization, this was
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murder outright.
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Oh yeah.
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I think one of the fire investigators was a man
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from John Jay University, which has a school for that
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type of thing, fire investigation. One of the professors went
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back and investigated this as a cold case, and he's
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put a lot of time into it, and his quote
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was that this is the biggest unsolved mass murder.
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In US history.
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Peter Bronson, God bless you for bringing coming in and
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talking to my listeners to me today. I always enjoy
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having these conversations with You could talk for hours. Get
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But five Carsey dot com and Why You're at It.
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on my blog page. Peter, And it's always just a
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distinct pleasure for me talking.
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With Thank you, Brian. It's always a pleasure to be here.
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I look forward to doing it again sometime real soon.
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Don't go away, folks. Inside Scoop and Bright Barton News the
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Davis on that at eight thirty be right back.
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