The Howling

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Welcome to another horrifying episode of Bill and Ashley's Terrify
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on the Marquis. This week is the Howling join us
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right after we get back from the local werewolf support
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slash swingers group, all that after these ads we have
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no control over. Welcome back. I'm Ashley Coffin, joined as
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always by my co host and terror Bill Bria. Bill Darling,
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How are we today?
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Oh? Oh, oh my god, the news Letty's turned into
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a werewolf?
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Was that a werewolf? I don't know, Get there, baby,
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it was a Palmer Rainge.
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It's wear we'll fisk. But yeah, doing great, Ash, How
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about yourself?
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Pretty good? Pretty good. It's been a lot of stuff
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going on in the geeky news, fun horror world.
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So yeah, we've had the whole comic conness, you know, happening. Obviously,
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there's a bunch of colleagues of mine and everybody who's
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gone out there to San Diego this currently still there.
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I think probably it's only Sunday, so they might still
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be leaving or getting their stuff together.
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But we're gonna have a We're gonna have a big
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episode on the MCU cast, I'm sure on Monday, because
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like it was Matt's birthday this weekend, and usually when
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the comic con comes out, they usually we try to
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do something really fast. And that's why sometimes like I
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can't be there, Jeff can't be there because it sometimes
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time is of the essence. But when Matt can't be there,
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that means that we have more time.
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You know.
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He hasn't said anything, and I'm like, Okay, he was
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busy with his birthday, so we're definitely going to get
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to talk about him Monday. I'm excited. I guess it's
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not I mean, it's devil at Jason. What do you
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think about Ryan Gosling being cast as Ghostwriter?
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It's okay, I'm less enthused about the director.
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So oh yeah.
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Anyway, they had Sam Ramy right there.
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Man. Sam's been talking about coming back to the MCU
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for years. Why not give him ghostwriter? Also, somebody pointed
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out on the line the other day that that upcoming
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I think it's called Vision Quest.
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Series that they're doing.
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Yeah, in October.
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They have one of the directors on there, Vincenzo Natali,
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who did Cube and Splice and other things like that.
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That's exciting get him on Ghostwriter, not freaking free guy.
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Well, he did so well with I guess, didn't he
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do all the he did Dubble.
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Grumble Grumbled, Deadpoo Wolverine, which, yeah, it's always good to
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make money, no matter who was behind it. So it's like,
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I don't know if really we can account that to him.
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So it's like, we'll see if Disney, you know, is
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backing somebody who. I mean, he's an anonymous guy. He
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did a bunch of episodes of Stranger Things, which were fine,
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you know, and so we'll see, but this does not.
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But yeah, Gosling, obviously it's interesting, it's cool.
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I don't know.
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Canonically, Johnny Blaze is the character, right, am I wrong?
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Okay, And he's like stunny guy, like I mean, he
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looks like.
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Oh yeah no in terms of like and like you know,
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obviously following the fall guy and the whole stuntman thing,
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like I get that is and drive and drive is
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Johnny Blaze supposed to be a little younger in the comics.
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I have no idea.
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We don't talk about Daddy Baby Goose's age. Okay, he
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just keeps putting those needles in and he keeps staying
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the same age. Okay, that's the.
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Best thing about the was it.
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Uh, I'm not high school girls, yeah anyway, high school gazzling.
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Yeah, yeah, no, he's twenty seven.
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Yeah yeah.
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Like Robert Pattinson keeps saying about himself, he's gen z
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He's gen zh No.
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That is you know, you know, I guess sometimes we
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over Marvel have just been going for the names, the
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big names, and the big actors recently, for the things.
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We're gonna see how that's paying off, because it's gonna
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be time, like Doomsday will be in December, and we'll
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see what happens.
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Yeah, it's uh, but let me tell you, people are
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going to start revolting if he does Gosling the same
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way he did Marsia Ali about Blade. You know, it's like,
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let's actually make it. Yeah, let's actually make something this time. Yeah.
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It's eight right, right, so old.
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Go into these movies talk about them. I'm losing my memory.
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I can't remember anything anymore, and people hate me for it.
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Oh no, it's a problem.
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There was a time I could remember every movie name,
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every director, actor, so good at it. Yet I know
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every word to like some Spice Girl songs that I've
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never listened to him, Like why why brain. Do you
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choose to come do it this way like it's shitty.
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I don't get to choose what I remember.
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M hm. Paul Reiser.
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If you know who Paul Raiser is, he had a
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stand up bit years and years ago that was just
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about that very exact thing.
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I think.
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I think the punchline was something like he was trying
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to remember some important thing on some tests for some
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he was interviewing for. Couldn't remember it, and then instead
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he just said something like Vina White played the lead
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and brigadoon or something, and he's like, oh no, I
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didn't want that end.
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It's not what It's not important.
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I say wrong things with confidence and then I just
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move on with my day.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it's it's silent.
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That's why all the names in this I'm going to
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get wrong, except for my girl.
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D Hey, we're going to go.
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But so tell us, tell us what's uh, what's been up?
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You said you had other news besides Necronomicon news.
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Yeah, Rama Kan.
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Adjacent, Necrodamaicon adjacent.
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Because this is about upcoming stuff, which it's something that
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a lot of studios and PR firms have been doing
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this past year, which is they've been holding press events
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for you know, press influencers, the media, that whole group
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for upcoming films, where they'll show like twenty minutes of
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a movie.
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They'll show like the opening scene.
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Or scenes, and then the director will be there, usually
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for like a Q and A and sort of I
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guess is to get people you know, hyped and excited
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for like the movie that's coming up. So I actually
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went to two of these events this past week. Now,
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actually I went to three, but one of them is
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in horror. One of them was for this movie that's
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gonna come out in the fall, if not the winter,
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called ray Gun, which is the next Brad Bird animated movie.
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It's not about the Olympic dancers.
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It's not about it's not about the look dancer, although
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there is there is a joke that they might have
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put in the movie that's that refers to that. Yeah,
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but it looks really cool actually, and if you know
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Brad Bird from you know, The Incredibles, the Iron Giant,
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he did Possible Solis Protocol, Okay, but yeah, he brings
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like a very cool like blade runnery kind of like
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sci fi or thing to this. So I'm excited for that.
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But again not horror. It's animated, yeah, but but it
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looks great, I think, And so we'll see the other
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The two other two that I went to that are
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definitely more horror adjacent or horror full stop is the
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upcoming Uh The End of Oak Street, which is the
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next David Robert Mitchell movie fi. It's sci fi e
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but like Mitchell's last two movies were definitely uh had
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horror elements in them. I mean, It Follows is a
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horror movie. And then uh, Under the Silver Lake has
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like its horror aspects even though it's more noir and like,
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you know that.
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Sort of thing.
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And this one looks similar in the sense that, like
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it is about this family who in some time in
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like the seventies eighties, uh mysteriously find their neighborhood transported
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to like prehistoric times, I guess, and dinos are just
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a rampant running around, but I think. And then Hathaway McGregor,
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the gal from My Old Ass, and this guy from
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something called Sweet Tooth My Old Ass. Yeah, the daughter
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is the lead of this movie called My Old Ass,
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which was a very cute like coming of age movie
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that Aubrey Plaza was in.
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Two Oh, okay, I didn't see my old ass.
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Yea, you should see your old ass.
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I should see my old ass.
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You should check it out. Uh yeah, put on my
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old ass list.
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But yeah, so I think that we were really just
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showing the first not even first, because it's like it
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happens when the family's you know, neighborhood first move. So
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I'm guessing this is probably like a sequence probably within
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the first thirty minutes of the movie, but we couldn't
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say it's the first thirty minutes. It was just like
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maybe fifteen minutes out of the.
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First thirty.
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I know, I'm sorry, but what I'm trying to say
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it wasn't the full opening of the movie. It was just,
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you know, it was just like a section from the
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opening where they first find themselves transported and you know,
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figuring out like what's happened to our neighborhood sort of thing.
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But it's shot really cool in a very like throwback
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retro like seventies eighties way. The producer JJ Abrams was
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also there to talk about like how much Poltergeist was
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influence on this, and you know, it really does seem
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to come through in terms of the tone of this movie,
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which is a little so far. I've only again, I've
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only seen fifteen minutes, but it seems a little harsher
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than your average like Jurassic Park movie, where even Jurassic
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Park is as nasty as some of those you know,
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kills can get. They were never like disturbing, you know, really,
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there was just a little bit of there was suspense,
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there was fear, but it wasn't like, you know, oh,
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this is weird. And there's a little bit in this
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fifteen minutes that I saw where and Hathaway comes across
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the body of one of her neighbors who's been killed
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by one of the dinosaurs, and it's kind of like, oh,
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that's upsetting, you know if you saw that in your
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you know, everyday life sort of thing.
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Oh my god, it's Sharon's upper pis.
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Right, And there's like a really cool element of danger obviously,
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because even in Jurassic Park, like with very small exception,
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most of the characters have decided to go to a
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place called Jurassic Park, where it's like, you guys kind
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of signed up for this, whereas this is like fully
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nobody was expecting it, nobody wanted to have this happen,
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So it's like the danger of like, oh my god,
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there's suddenly this killer animal in my backyard sort of thing.
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So I'm hopeful.
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Ironically, given what we just talked about on the Shit
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Shooting episode, we were shown this preview in forty X
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because they were trying to promote the forty X and
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this of it all, and and I was like, I'm
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probably good with regular IMAX or just digital, you know,
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because I think it's going to be a lot of
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too much shaking for me.
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A lot of too much shaking.
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Yeah, I hit it, but in terms of the movie itself,
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I'm actually looking forward to it in a big way.
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And it won't We don't have long to wait. It's
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only going to be out in I think two or
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three weeks.
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Nice. I liked the trailer. It looked good.
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The other event that I went to, which was fortunately
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justin IMAX and not forty X, was the first twenty
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minutes of the New Resident Evil, directed by Zach Krieger
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and written and let me tell you if you like
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you know his past couple of movies Barbarian and Weapons,
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I think this is going to be another hit for him.
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I really looks good. I saw that I had to
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see the trailer. I didn't want to. I kind of
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wanted to go in no trailer, but they showed it
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before whatever last time.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, saw.
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And I've been kind of out on the Resident Evil
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everything for a very long time, but this looked pretty good.
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I would absolutely go say it. Yeah.
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I think what's cool is that if if you know weapons,
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you remember how that movie was broken up into a
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bunch of segments, and you know, Austin Abrams played the
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drug junkie like dealer.
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I guess in that movie.
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Yes, yeah, he was on euphoria as well, and you
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remember how, like you know, obviously, each segment of that
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movie followed whatever character you know, for fifteen or minutes
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or whatever.
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It feels similar in the sense that like it's Austin
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Abrams just having to deal with a bunch of crazy,
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scary shit, you know, And so it's it's actually narratively
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very simple, where it's like it starts with his character
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and it just follows him through his journey as it
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would almost if it was a video game, you know,
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if he's your character sort of thing, you know. And
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I think that this movie really could revolutionize the video
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game movie in the sense that it's not adapting a
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particular storyline or even a character from the games, but
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it's trying to adapt like the feeling of playing it,
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you know, not and not in the literal sense of like,
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oh I got a press X to you know whatever,
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all that nonsense or anything like that. I'm talking about, like,
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what if you were in a situation you don't have
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any superpowers. You are in this house. You know, there's
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like shotgun shells over here. You know, there's a shotgun
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over here. Maybe you can load it, maybe you can
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aim at the right time to like shoot this thing
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that's coming after you, sort of thing. So the fear
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factor of that, but also the humor, because you know,
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Graiger is really good at combining humor and horror in
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a way that's not you know, quick quick and that kid. Yeah,
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and Abrams has a natural like comic timing to him
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that like his amusement or his fear is kind of
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funny at times, you know sort of thing. So, uh yeah,
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that's really what came through in the preview, And you know,
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I'm super excited to see it because I love that
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the Resident Evil franchise just on film or television alone,
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has been all over the place. I kind of thrive
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on that in terms of, like, I don't know what
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to expect, so I love that we're getting something else
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that feels really unique and not just oh, it's another
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one of these you know sort of things. Well ground
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it more, Yeah, No, it's pretty he was pretty grounded
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so far.
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a re Wasn't Evil movie? I thought they were going
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to start with the first one, and they really didn't.
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They started with kind of the second game, where everything's
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already falling apart and established like they never maybe at
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some point in this long journey they've gone back to
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like the mansion. But to do something where like the
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town or something just a little bit more contained is happening,
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not make it feel like you know, something we've already seen,
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which is easy to do. You know any other kind
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of zombie movie or this or that, and you have
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to there's so many zombies movies. Now, how are you
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going to take this old franchise and make it new
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and fresh? And that's where you pick her, uh, the
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right director, And that's where I'm like, Okay, you've piqued
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my interest.
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I'll come back, Yeah, I'll come back. Yeah.
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Well that's the thing.
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I think that judging from what I saw, like this
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is something that I don't feel like I've seen a
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million times before, and certainly don't feel i've seen in
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a Resident Evil before.
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So okay, okay, I'm trigued.
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I'll see it.
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I'm a triaud Yeah. So that's what I got to
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do this week in my Hollywood career or whatever you
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want to call it.
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But yay. Yeah.
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Oh when I wore my weapon shirt to the Resident
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Evil event and Zack did see it and he was like,
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oh good truth.
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That's fine.
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Yeah, and it's all then, and I was like, you
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should like it, man, you were that was this is
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the design you made for the cign it did you
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take a movie out? Like?
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No, I didn't sign it. I didn't take the booby out.
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Now missed apportunity, I know.
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Well next time you got a picture? Yeah, oh good?
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Yeah?
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Oh was it on Facebook?
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It's on Instagram? You know me.
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I don't really.
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I thought you were more on Instagram than than not.
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I watch I like, so what I do when I
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go onto Instagram, I watch I hit that little circle
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at the bottom, the link, the night, the g and
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I just look at it. I just look at what
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my algorithm is. That's why sometimes you won't see me
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on for like a while, and then all of a sudden, for.
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Two days, it's like oh yeah, yeah yeah, and then it'll.
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Be like another week or two. My last picture was
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like seven months ago. I just don't it just I
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don't know. Yeah, yeah, it's weird.
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Well you'll see it eventually.
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Taking myself out of it, I should look more. Yeah,
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and I can't be on Facebook at works, so I can't.
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Oh yeah, yeah it Now the people like Yash, they
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want to interact with you, so you know, yeah, I
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get back to them three to five business days.
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Uh Is that it for?
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Yeah?
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Our new side. Okay, so we will be back with
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our feature film after these miss ups from the grave
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that we have no control over, and now it is
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time for our feature film, okay, the Howling Listen. Nineteen
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eighty one was a very good year for films.
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It really was.
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I was even watching something else, completely horror unrelated the
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other day. I can't remember now what it was, but
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it was from eighty one, and I was like, damn.
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Nineteen eighty one has has shooters, they have it's.
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Evil Dead Scanners. Yeah, American Werewolf in London, which which
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is relevant to this, but just like Friday the thirteenth
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was just the year.
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Before Friday thirteenth, Part two.
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Was eighty one, Scanners was eighty one.
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Yes, yes, and yeah, just a ton of Slashers and
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various other movies. I wish I could remember the stupid
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movie I was watching.
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I was like, oh, eighty one.
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Anyway, Yeah, there's a lot of cool stuff and this
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obviously counts amongst them. And we've talked about this, I
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think probably in our very first episode, which was American
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Werewolf in London.
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So it feels kind of like a homecoming in a way.
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We weren't sure whether we were going to save this
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for a hundredths but we don't know what we're gonna do,
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or we're gonna pull something down.
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We're gonna pull something.
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But it feels like we probably should have gotten to it,
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you know before, just around the same time as they
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honor it. So that's why we decided to talk about
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it now. And it's something that is a perennial for
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me and I'm sure for you. Ash in the sense that,
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Like as much as I probably prefer American Werewolf like
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the Slightest Bit over this, this is something that I
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also just love. It's really near dear to my heart.
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And if it wasn't for the Gremlins duology, I would
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probably say it's my favorite Joe Dante film.
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Oh that's true, that's true.
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He did Piranha too, Yeah, yeah, he did.
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I do love Parana this probably, Yeah, Gremlins, you can't
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really yeah, second favorite, It's fair.
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I've seen this movie so many times because they used
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to play it on USA Up All Night with Ronda
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Rowsey every other weekend. Definitely in the middle of the night,
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edited of course, but I had also seen it, like
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I saw this movie way too young. But it always
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like werewolves where wolves are my favorite. They scare me
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no matter what. The werewolves are always scary because just
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getting ripped apart, like I don't know, I'm like, get
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me vampires. That's why, like the Thirty Days of the
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Night vampires, I was like, no, you guys seem terrible.
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But werewolves have always been my favorite, and these ones
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are they're they're the best. They're so funny. They're funny.
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Were Wolves and it's kind of like a meta. This
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movie is all over the place, and it really dawned
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on me when I was watching it taking notes less
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than it was like, this is three different movies.
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It is. It is like.
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Detective kind of movie. In the middle of the beginning,
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it's a cop one like Spotlight or whatever, and then
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by the end it is dirty dancing at the worst
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country club you've ever been to. That's really it's hard
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to even explain it.
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I uh, yeah, no, The thing is is like it.
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I love that you put it that way, because it
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does hold water for sure in terms of how much
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is in there without feeling copycat, without feeling like disjointed,
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you know what I mean. Like it doesn't feel like
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a like a bisected movie where it's like, Okay, now
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we're in this section, and now we're in this section,
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now we're in this action. It does feel of a piece,
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you know, and so it's not an experience where you're
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watching it and being like, what's happening. I didn't expect
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this sort of thing, but it does sneak up on
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you in that way. I think I described it in
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one of my letterbox reviews this as I'm trying to
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see if I can find I'm having it right in
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front of me here.
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Uh yeah.
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I call it a then modern day crime noir, drawing
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on themes of primal rage, pop psych trends based on
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a repression, serial killing, and other violently deviant behavior, as
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well as unleashed sexual urges and kinks. I mean, that's
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a lot. It's it's something where like because you're so
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good at it, but also but also like the fact
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that this movie, right, it's it's something that I just
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get something new out of every time I see it,
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and like you ash, like you just said, I've also
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seen this a lot, and it's part of the reason
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why this movie, along with the American Werewolves, you know,
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are so quintessential. Where it's like if anybody came to me,
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whether it's another person or an alien from out of space,
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I don't know, and said, what's what's the deal with
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these werewolves?
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Where what should I watch to get the werewolf?
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And I'm like, watched both of these and that you're
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going to get pretty much everything that's great about what
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this creature can do and what it can also be
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done with cinematically, which is crazy when we're talking about
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a forty year plus, you know, tell a couple of movies,
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like in the last you know, four decades, we haven't
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really seen anybody that's topped this.
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We've seen great werewolf movies.
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We talked about Dog Soldiers recently, you know, and Ginger
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snaps and howl and hopefully we'll talk about Bad Mood
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later in the year, which I haven't seen yet. You
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keep promising, I keep promising, We're going to do it.
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I have it here, And then you know, there's a
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lot and obviously The wolf Man, which is a classic
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in its own right, and you know, I don't even know.
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There's things I hate about the Benicio del Toro one,
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but there's also things that there's also things that have
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really no in and out of practical But I thought
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he was a great werewolve.
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And I was referring to the original too, the long
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Chaney Gymior as well. Yeah, which is you know, foundational
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in the sense of like the werewolf mythos wouldn't be
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what it is without that movie. But like, yeah, I
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think if which we see a lot of in this one,
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you see a lot of in this movie. But I
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want to say, like, yeah, if you want to pick
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out like two of probably the best that still you
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have yet to be topped. It's this in America worlf
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And that's crazy to say, but like it's true, and
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it's it's.
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Based like around such a crazy plot. This whole movie
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is bonkers, like American Werewolf in London, Like it is
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a very that is such a good, well put together story.
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And then the same year you're like, well you want
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to see something crazy with werewolves. Boom, here you go.
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So the plot to this movie, a nineteen eighty one
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horror film, The Howling follows news anchor Karen White, who
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is sent to a remote mountain retreat after a traumatic
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encounter with a serial killer, only to discover the resort's
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residents are actually a pack of vicious, slutty werewolves.
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Nice attition.
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Only my influence is only there once.
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Yeah, I wonder where it is. And yeah, that's that's
489
00:21:56.799 --> 00:21:57.519
pretty succinct.
490
00:21:57.720 --> 00:22:00.519
Uh. Well, so you come into this movie. There's cops,
491
00:22:00.519 --> 00:22:02.839
there's reporters, and this reporter is helping the police set
492
00:22:02.839 --> 00:22:06.079
a trap for the serial killer Eddie what's his last name,
493
00:22:06.279 --> 00:22:11.119
quis Quis after interviewing one of his victims, And yeah,
494
00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:14.200
it's It's just such a very interesting opening, like she
495
00:22:14.319 --> 00:22:17.119
meets him inside an adult books or they're playing porn
496
00:22:17.440 --> 00:22:22.319
everywhere and there's like peep booths and mirrors and everybody
497
00:22:22.440 --> 00:22:25.319
is watching someone. It's a very intense beginning to this movie.
498
00:22:25.480 --> 00:22:28.920
Yeah, and I love that it's connecting this supernatural story
499
00:22:28.960 --> 00:22:32.799
which ultimately goes to some very wackad do like supernatural
500
00:22:32.960 --> 00:22:37.920
idea places in such a super grounded like slazy, you know,
501
00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:42.039
street level like predator stuff, and it really does. I
502
00:22:42.440 --> 00:22:45.680
love comparing this movie to a bunch of other or
503
00:22:45.799 --> 00:22:50.920
you know, a couple other uh serial killer thrillers or
504
00:22:50.960 --> 00:22:53.240
stalker thrillers that were made around the same time.
505
00:22:54.519 --> 00:22:55.720
That's that's later. That's that's later.
506
00:22:55.839 --> 00:22:58.200
Yeah, of course that comes later, But I'm talking about
507
00:22:58.960 --> 00:23:02.920
nineteen eighty two. Uh, there was a movie called Visiting Hours,
508
00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:06.400
which was directed by Jean Claude Board and starred Lee
509
00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:11.400
Grant as this feminist activist, uh you know, sort of
510
00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:15.640
uh TV anchor person who stalks and then has to
511
00:23:15.680 --> 00:23:18.440
deal with her stalker. Then there was Seduction, The Seduction,
512
00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:22.960
uh starring Morgan Fairchild, who's also another blonde uh you know,
513
00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:26.960
you know, news anchor in California who's then stalked. There's
514
00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:29.160
even Vice Squad, which is not about a news anchor.
515
00:23:29.200 --> 00:23:32.359
It's about a hooker played by Susan Hobley who's being
516
00:23:32.440 --> 00:23:35.799
stalked or menaced by her pimp who's wings Hauser. But
517
00:23:35.960 --> 00:23:38.640
it has that similar like l a sleas kind of
518
00:23:38.759 --> 00:23:41.519
you know, it's the streets of Los Angeles where you know,
519
00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:44.240
people are are gross and they're they're evil, and they're
520
00:23:44.319 --> 00:23:46.119
kinky and they're weird, and you know they're murderers.
521
00:23:46.160 --> 00:23:48.839
Cally and Giallo, where these two girls are like absolutely
522
00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:53.240
obsessed with like serial killer, a serial killer on the
523
00:23:53.519 --> 00:23:55.640
like TV or like a case that was happening. God,
524
00:23:55.640 --> 00:23:56.160
I can't remember.
525
00:23:56.160 --> 00:23:58.680
It feels like it's a lot of yellow, right, Yeah,
526
00:23:58.720 --> 00:24:01.240
I don't. I don't know for sure. Uh well, we'll
527
00:24:01.240 --> 00:24:03.559
think about maybe, but yeah, definitely. It definitely has a
528
00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:06.359
gyellow field to it as well, where it is about
529
00:24:06.440 --> 00:24:08.759
like the sordid Yeah.
530
00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:12.559
Well, and that they do that on purpose because she
531
00:24:12.799 --> 00:24:16.440
witnesses Eddie transformed into something before the police kill him,
532
00:24:16.519 --> 00:24:18.839
Like we hardly see it, so we totally jaws the
533
00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:20.920
whole moment, which is also the thing is really good.
534
00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:22.519
He has to do it in the porn booth like
535
00:24:22.599 --> 00:24:24.680
as almost like I love that.
536
00:24:24.799 --> 00:24:27.000
I mean it's a very hot scene. I will say,
537
00:24:27.079 --> 00:24:29.079
here's the thing. There's something about it. I always thought
538
00:24:29.119 --> 00:24:30.920
he was like I was like, yeah, you can, I
539
00:24:31.000 --> 00:24:34.759
talk a lot about not mine, but Terry, Terry is
540
00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:37.000
the we'll get there but.
541
00:24:38.119 --> 00:24:44.200
Or actually Bill is her husband. Terry's the friend at
542
00:24:44.240 --> 00:24:47.599
the yeah at the or right all.
543
00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:50.680
Right, marker, Yeah fuck Bill, Bill's the worst.
544
00:24:50.720 --> 00:24:51.759
The worst. Yeah, yeah, not.
545
00:24:53.240 --> 00:24:59.440
Billy, not my husband. Yeah guy, yeah, and he all
546
00:24:59.559 --> 00:25:02.079
his name's only He also has a mustache, I think, unfortunately,
547
00:25:02.200 --> 00:25:04.240
but but uh.
548
00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:06.480
Yeah, no, I looks like the guy from Knight at
549
00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:06.960
the Creebs.
550
00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:10.279
He does Tom Makins a little bit. Yeah, but no.
551
00:25:10.519 --> 00:25:12.720
I'd love to talk about the transformation scene in American
552
00:25:12.759 --> 00:25:15.880
Berewolf as like, you know, a sexual erection metaphor, but
553
00:25:16.039 --> 00:25:18.279
like that's kind of exactly what's happening in the opening
554
00:25:18.319 --> 00:25:20.200
scene of Howling Too, where like Eddie has to like
555
00:25:20.279 --> 00:25:22.119
show her what he looks like, you know, sort of
556
00:25:22.200 --> 00:25:25.119
thing what he really looks like, wink wink, and yeah,
557
00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:28.799
the whole like adding like a cank element to a
558
00:25:28.880 --> 00:25:31.519
transformation into a werewolf, like is something that I feel
559
00:25:31.559 --> 00:25:34.440
like was implicit in the mythos before this, but never
560
00:25:34.559 --> 00:25:37.200
was it made explicit really, you know, And I think
561
00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:40.680
that this movie, again with American Werewolf, really is a
562
00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:44.079
great thesis on like the sexiness of the creature, which
563
00:25:44.119 --> 00:25:46.359
is something that's not usually dwelled upon.
564
00:25:46.480 --> 00:25:48.880
Well, you know, it's funny because later the same character,
565
00:25:49.000 --> 00:25:51.640
when he does transform, it seems a lot more painful
566
00:25:52.079 --> 00:25:54.240
than it did here. But he, I guess, was only
567
00:25:54.400 --> 00:25:56.960
just like, uh, feels good with my nose good. He
568
00:25:57.000 --> 00:25:57.559
didn't get to go.
569
00:25:57.640 --> 00:25:58.440
Through the thing.
570
00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:05.440
Backing ribs, you know, my fingernails, because it is they do.
571
00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:09.319
Oh god, which movie came out? Like first? They must
572
00:26:09.359 --> 00:26:10.480
have been working on these movies.
573
00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:13.440
Oh, they were working currently, literally so concurrently that like
574
00:26:13.559 --> 00:26:16.160
Rick Baker was originally supposed to do the House.
575
00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:18.240
I supposed to do the house and then he was
576
00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:19.119
like I remember.
577
00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:21.960
That, you know, Blandis has you know, the option out
578
00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:23.880
to Big Burger where I've got to go help him out.
579
00:26:24.440 --> 00:26:25.519
And what's his face worked for?
580
00:26:25.759 --> 00:26:28.880
Rob Boteine was was one of Baker's proteges at boutine.
581
00:26:28.480 --> 00:26:30.799
And that's just Canadian French fries.
582
00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:34.279
Right and like and yeah, and so Baker he didn't
583
00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:36.240
like my poutine joke. That was a good poutine joke.
584
00:26:36.440 --> 00:26:40.759
I love a good poutine joke. Excellent job. Continue, but yeah,
585
00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:43.400
Baker was like, hey, my boy Rob, you know he
586
00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:44.039
can do it for you.
587
00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:46.839
And he did, you know, oh my god, sleeping in
588
00:26:46.920 --> 00:26:47.400
the studio.
589
00:26:47.799 --> 00:26:49.319
Right, we get we'll get there.
590
00:26:50.920 --> 00:26:54.359
But yeah, I mean, so she gets PTSD and goes
591
00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:59.599
to her psychiatrist, George George and he's like, you know what, girl,
592
00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:01.920
you should go to my retreat, the colony, and it
593
00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:04.680
appears to be like a therapy commune thing, and I
594
00:27:04.759 --> 00:27:07.680
guess it's supposed to still be what years that it is,
595
00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:08.599
the eighties.
596
00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:11.480
I mean, so it's right off like the whole est
597
00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:13.359
or even Scientology Journey.
598
00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:15.839
Dancing like it is this little kid like their little
599
00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:18.519
place is so cute, and there's a lot of weirdos
600
00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:20.680
when we get there, like everybody wants to talk to
601
00:27:20.799 --> 00:27:23.960
them m hm. And yeah, everybody's also being a little weird.
602
00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:25.960
Everyone's been a little weird and I love that. I mean,
603
00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:29.519
I haven't read the source novel by Gary Brander. Yeah,
604
00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:32.680
it is a book from what I could tell from
605
00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:34.920
what people that have read it, and reviews that people
606
00:27:34.920 --> 00:27:35.599
have written about it.
607
00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:36.599
It seems grosser.
608
00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:37.519
It seems grosser.
609
00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:40.160
It also seems like kind of like a sleazy like
610
00:27:40.279 --> 00:27:42.240
Timestore novel sort of thing that you read it on
611
00:27:42.279 --> 00:27:46.119
an airplane or a bus or something like that. But already,
612
00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:48.400
I think inherent in the concept is this really clever
613
00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:50.839
idea of like what if there were wear wolves and
614
00:27:50.920 --> 00:27:54.920
what if they were like they needed therapy, you.
615
00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:57.039
Know, talking to each other.
616
00:27:57.240 --> 00:27:59.559
They just needed to you know, try and communicate, you know,
617
00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:00.960
So it makes sense.
618
00:28:01.160 --> 00:28:05.079
I mean it's so blatantly obvious. Packs. Yeah, wolves, wolves
619
00:28:05.200 --> 00:28:07.079
do better in packs. So they're like, you know what
620
00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:09.640
we should do, Get some kayak scout, go to like
621
00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:12.480
a lake, set up a retreat. We have dogs to
622
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:15.039
kill that they bring. Oh wait, that's the fourth one.
623
00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:18.880
M wait, yeah, there's there are a lot of I
624
00:28:19.480 --> 00:28:24.319
watched them all in a row one yes, no, no, no, no, no,
625
00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:28.279
about two years ago, okay, when I discovered two.
626
00:28:28.240 --> 00:28:30.759
B yeah or not, I watched all of them.
627
00:28:31.240 --> 00:28:34.279
Yeah, I watched the new ones are really bad, but
628
00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:37.039
I had such a good time until I got to six.
629
00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:40.079
Okay that sounds about right. Yeah, Like the first five
630
00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:41.440
you're like, hey, you know what I can vibe with this,
631
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:42.200
And then about.
632
00:28:41.960 --> 00:28:44.839
The Haunted Mansion one people sit on that I love it.
633
00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:49.119
Well, I've only seen the first, but I have a
634
00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:51.039
bunch of the others. I have two and three and four.
635
00:28:51.319 --> 00:28:51.920
Never seen two.
636
00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:54.799
I need to see two. Yeah, So I know it's simple,
637
00:28:54.880 --> 00:28:58.119
danding and all that. Yeah. Yeah, and Christopher late Christopher Lee. Yeah, yeah,
638
00:28:58.200 --> 00:28:58.759
I know, I know.
639
00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:01.319
I mean it's my recommendation because it's so good.
640
00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:04.359
The second track is like yeah, yeah, oh.
641
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:05.799
My god, it's so funny. We'll talk about it later.
642
00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:09.200
Yeah. So I do have them. I should check them
643
00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:11.559
out when I'm when I'm ready. You have to see enough.
644
00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:13.839
Yeah, because it's crazy. They're not very long.
645
00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:16.279
They're not long. It's one afternoon.
646
00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:17.279
Uh huh uh huh.
647
00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:20.720
But yeah, no, there's there's like we were saying, there's
648
00:29:20.759 --> 00:29:24.119
there's so much going on, and I love that. Dante
649
00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:26.480
was actually not the first director on this. I don't
650
00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:29.160
know who was, but it was being developed by somebody
651
00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:31.240
else and Dante was kind of a last minute replacement.
652
00:29:31.359 --> 00:29:34.000
As I recall from the interviews that I saw what
653
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:35.920
not like super last minute. It wasn't like it was
654
00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:37.920
it hadn't started shooting yet, you know, or anything like that,
655
00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:41.039
but in the sense that this wasn't necessarily his baby,
656
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:42.880
where like he you know, sort of was chirping again
657
00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:47.000
and apparently, Yeah, I didn't love the book, but it's
658
00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:50.240
something where he really does seem to get what works
659
00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:52.599
about the story, what works about the characters, what is
660
00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:56.240
interesting about it, and obviously his you know lifelong love
661
00:29:56.319 --> 00:29:58.920
of like monster movies and you know genre stuff, Roger
662
00:29:59.599 --> 00:29:59.799
and the.
663
00:29:59.839 --> 00:30:00.759
Right recorment of it all.
664
00:30:01.119 --> 00:30:02.440
Yes, this is such a Roger Corman.
665
00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:04.359
Roger Corman's in the movie by the way, he's in
666
00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:06.160
the phone He's in a phone booth at the beginning.
667
00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:08.319
Oh god, I wish he was at the beach party.
668
00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:09.000
I would No.
669
00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:11.480
Yeah, he's in the phone booth at the beginning. Yeah,
670
00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:14.839
but yeah, that's the Roger cameo, which is cute. He
671
00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:16.119
was so tall, right.
672
00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:18.400
Yeah.
673
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:20.559
Even before we get to the colony, we have like,
674
00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:26.519
you know, this establishment of Karen's whole you know, newswoman
675
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:28.799
career and like how weird it is to be a
676
00:30:28.839 --> 00:30:31.119
public figure kind of And I love that this movie
677
00:30:31.160 --> 00:30:32.920
as I was trying to compare earlier with like those
678
00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:35.839
other stalker news lady movies that came around around the
679
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:40.279
same time. You know, this was when cable news or
680
00:30:40.359 --> 00:30:45.880
not even cable like network news was still a pretty
681
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:48.720
new thing in the sense of the news anchors themselves
682
00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:51.160
becoming celebrities. That's what anchormanned the legend Rock Burgundy was
683
00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:52.680
making fun of, you know, and that's set in like
684
00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:56.519
the late seventies, because you know, it used to be
685
00:30:56.680 --> 00:30:58.440
you know, the Walter Cronkites of the world, and like
686
00:30:58.519 --> 00:31:01.119
during the fifties and sixties or even earlier the forties,
687
00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:01.960
the Edward R.
688
00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:03.640
Murrow's the journalists.
689
00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:07.240
Who dance you know, Dan rather even Yeah, where like
690
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:10.319
they were more sort of just buttoned up dudes. And
691
00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:13.279
then yeah, they really the producers realized, oh, it's television,
692
00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:15.200
we should get some pretty girls on there instead, you know,
693
00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:17.839
and started to like, you know, get these clamer you
694
00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:20.880
know types to be news anchors as well as you know,
695
00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:23.240
weather girls and everything like that. And then it became oh,
696
00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:24.880
they let women in the work they let women in
697
00:31:24.920 --> 00:31:27.160
the workplace. But also this idea of like the men
698
00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:29.640
watching at home being creepy and being like, oh, yeah,
699
00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:33.759
you know this idea, yeah, right, and so playing with
700
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:35.680
that and you know, I bring that up because of
701
00:31:35.759 --> 00:31:38.480
Kevin McCarthy's character, his edit his what is it not
702
00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:43.640
editor but showrunner guy or producer guy, who's like super
703
00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:45.960
creepy and slazy, and he's like, oh I don't want
704
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:48.440
those women in the editorial space or whatever he says.
705
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:51.079
You know, he's just playing basically, he's playing his same
706
00:31:51.160 --> 00:31:54.039
character they would play later in uhfah.
707
00:31:56.079 --> 00:31:58.160
But it's like the movie, it's all over the place
708
00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:01.200
with this character. You're bouncing around. It slows down just
709
00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:02.880
a little bit when you get to the colony, but
710
00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:06.680
then you meet like six new characters. You're like, this
711
00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:11.079
is Marsha, this is Chris, this is oh Earl the Doctor.
712
00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:14.279
But yeah, everybody's weird.
713
00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:19.200
Yeah, John carrodyin is Earl. John Kardine, Yeah, played Dracula
714
00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:21.559
in one of the universal horror movies. How's the Dracula
715
00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:24.480
House of Frankenstein? I forget which, but yeah, he has
716
00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:25.759
a whole horror history himself.
717
00:32:26.559 --> 00:32:28.920
What I like with what he does here is the unease,
718
00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:32.759
like because it's not normal at all, and it's one
719
00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:34.839
of those things where no one's listening to Karen and
720
00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:38.880
Bill is just such like a he hates her and
721
00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:40.799
I'm like, why don't you just get a divorce, like.
722
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:42.519
You could have done it even before this, and you
723
00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:44.480
know it's crazy. Is like this speaks to how good
724
00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:46.200
actors they are. They were married in real life at
725
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:46.480
the time.
726
00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:48.359
Well did they get a divorce?
727
00:32:48.519 --> 00:32:52.559
Oh, he unfortunately passed away and yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah,
728
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:54.440
and so like it was right until the end that
729
00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:56.240
they loved each other a lot. So they really do
730
00:32:56.279 --> 00:33:00.640
a good job like being shitty to each other. Yeah, yeah,
731
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:03.720
I think it actually, I believe one of these interviews
732
00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:07.319
about this said that she insisted on him playing the
733
00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:10.279
part because she didn't want to have to deal with
734
00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:12.599
a creepy, you know, other actor that like, you know,
735
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:13.920
might take it too far or something.
736
00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:16.720
You know, I'm gonna watch my husband on set make out.
737
00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:19.319
With this yet I love.
738
00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:21.799
Oh we're going to talk about that scene, or we
739
00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:24.119
can talk about it now if you would, because yeah.
740
00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:27.559
I mean it's pretty good. It elevates pretty quick. So
741
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:31.920
Karen also has these two co workers who were that's Terry, Terry.
742
00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:36.599
And what's his name Chris? Uh, yeah, Chris Desdugan.
743
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:38.200
Yeah. Uh.
744
00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:40.839
They're looking up stuff on Eddie and they figure out
745
00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:44.680
that the doctor who is her therapist is Eddie's therapist,
746
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:47.160
and there was like falsified reports and the colony has
747
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:50.519
ties to Eddie blah blah blah blah blah. Now it's like, okay,
748
00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:52.599
it's not just a serial killer stuff. Now we are
749
00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:59.759
into the Supernatural Conspiracy Movie, which is part two. Yeah, yeah,
750
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:05.160
ow Kara discovers that everybody's a werewolf. Yeah, it happens
751
00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:11.000
pretty fast. Her husband gets pretty quickly. Uh, I mean
752
00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:12.480
he didn't. She said you want to bag in the
753
00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:14.159
woods and he was like meetch out there, you know
754
00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:14.559
what I mean?
755
00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:15.719
Well, I love that.
756
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:18.760
And here's the thing that's so interesting about this movie,
757
00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:21.159
as like a part of the werewolf mythos and werewolves
758
00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:24.800
on screen is like, up to this point, it generally
759
00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:26.719
was assumed that if you were yeah, if you're bitten
760
00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:28.639
by werewolf, for scratch, bere werewolf, you're going to become
761
00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:31.280
one uncontrollably, like it's going to happen with the mouse
762
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:32.719
ful and you know you can't stop it.
763
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:33.599
It's going to come out.
764
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:39.960
Have kind of like it's almost like you know, getting
765
00:34:40.039 --> 00:34:43.079
turned on or you know, taking up a poop or
766
00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:46.159
something like it's some sort of bodily function which they
767
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:49.400
have some control over. That's not fully like you know,
768
00:34:50.559 --> 00:34:52.320
on and off, but at the same time it's also
769
00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:56.039
not Yeah, there's some daytime wearrelf stuff happening for sure,
770
00:34:56.719 --> 00:35:00.519
and I think that that's what helps the mediciness and
771
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:03.599
also the metaphors of the movie. In terms of if
772
00:35:03.639 --> 00:35:06.159
it was a curse werewolf movie, it wouldn't work the
773
00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:09.000
same because a cursed werewolf like we see in American
774
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:12.159
Werewolf in London either doesn't know that's what's happening to them,
775
00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:15.239
or like is in denial or this idea of like
776
00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:17.800
you know, trying to to cure themselves, you know sort
777
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:22.360
of thing, whereas here these people generally come to accept
778
00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:24.840
it as like part of their identity, like we're just
779
00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:27.400
wear wolves. Yeah, and this idea that like they are.
780
00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:29.239
They're probably not haunted by they're dead.
781
00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:31.599
They're not, Yeah, they're not quite haunted by their dead
782
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:35.960
in the same way that that David Keessler is rules,
783
00:35:36.039 --> 00:35:37.079
different rules, different rules.
784
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:40.159
I love some London ship this is this is yeah,
785
00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:40.880
where are they.
786
00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:43.360
Those The London people, like the American people are just
787
00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:45.599
like we're more chill and we just do whatever.
788
00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:48.239
But what I was trying to say is in regards
789
00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:49.239
to the sex.
790
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:53.920
Scene, is like that element makes that scene less like, oh,
791
00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:57.000
something's happening that can't and it's more yeah, and it's.
792
00:35:56.960 --> 00:36:00.320
More about like, you know, it's sexual, it's very actual.
793
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:02.639
It's also there's a little bit of like a swinger
794
00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:05.079
element to it too, even though they're definitely cheating.
795
00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:07.960
And my joke yeah, oh oh, what was your joke.
796
00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:10.239
When we came in? It was a were wolf slash swear?
797
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:15.320
Oh yeah, because it just seems like, hey, yeah, yeah.
798
00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:17.519
I don't care if we you know, roll around in
799
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:18.039
the hay.
800
00:36:18.119 --> 00:36:20.920
Right, So it like it also, yeah, which connects this
801
00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:24.679
movie to like this whole end of the sexual revolution
802
00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:25.639
you know element.
803
00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:28.679
It's like when you're vampires and werewolves, you're just everybody's
804
00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:30.599
fucking everybody right right? Anymore?
805
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:32.960
Well, what is it the what was the tagline to uh,
806
00:36:33.239 --> 00:36:36.440
Lost Boys, like live all party all night or something? Right? Yeah,
807
00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:40.800
sleep all day, sleep all day night. Yeah, yeah, something
808
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:43.320
like that. This idea of like, yeah, it's it's you're
809
00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:45.920
like a heightened state from regular people. You're at a
810
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:49.960
liberated you know, mindset whatever. Where like are you cult?
811
00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:51.559
You know here? A little werewolf cult? Yeah?
812
00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:55.679
Cult too, also getting right out of the seventies, I mean,
813
00:36:56.440 --> 00:36:59.519
but also i'd like, yeah, that scene is so hot
814
00:36:59.559 --> 00:37:02.039
for silver, but also just because like, yeah, it's it's
815
00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:06.000
that it's a visual representation of that moment that I
816
00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:07.840
think every one of us has gotten into at one
817
00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:10.519
point or another, whether you're actually cheating or not, or
818
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:12.880
just doing something you maybe shouldn't be doing, but at
819
00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:14.960
the same time, like your body's having a reaction.
820
00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:16.960
It's like, you know this is going to happen.
821
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:23.159
Animal instinct, inct, embrace, likenhropy, that's the thecanthropy.
822
00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:25.840
Yeah, the camp Yeah, you got it.
823
00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:28.840
She just loves it, loves it, And well that's why
824
00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:32.119
it's different. Like unlike Karen, who's very reserved. She likes
825
00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:35.239
to be monstrous. She's like, I will scratch your husband's
826
00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:35.719
back to shit.
827
00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:38.719
She was like, hell, yeah, what happened you're back?
828
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:40.840
He's like, what do you think happened in my back?
829
00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:44.239
I just blew out the back of the gypsy at
830
00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:45.880
the bone store.
831
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:50.679
Come on, we were rutting in the woods.
832
00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:50.920
Man.
833
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:55.559
George Wagner I put down everybody a lot of like
834
00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:58.440
the little things. He was the director of nineteen forty
835
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:00.199
one's the wolf Man, Like there's a lot lot of
836
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:03.679
people named after people in this yeah who had to
837
00:38:03.719 --> 00:38:04.559
do with wolf stuff.
838
00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:07.159
I gotta feel like that might be Dante's influence too,
839
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:10.599
because he loves to make those little references to folks
840
00:38:11.159 --> 00:38:13.679
and oh yeah and the whole Like, you know, Dick
841
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:15.719
Miller is the owner of the bookstore in la who
842
00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:17.719
like has all the occult books, but he's also like
843
00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:19.559
a jaded like seeing it all.
844
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:21.400
You know, we wolves you know.
845
00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:25.559
There, So I was like, somebody likes to draw pencil
846
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:28.480
drawings of werewolves in this town because they were everywhere.
847
00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:31.320
Mm hmm. Oh. And Eddie like for some reason being
848
00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:34.039
obsessed with the smiley face symbol and putting that everywhere
849
00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:36.679
he can sort of signify oh yeah.
850
00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:40.239
It looked like yeah, kind of remind me of that
851
00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:42.199
one comic it was with the smiley face.
852
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:44.639
Oh watchman, Yes, that's it.
853
00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:47.440
Yeah, that's it, which I guess I think that was
854
00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:50.039
Dante's commentary on like I think the smiley face was
855
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:52.400
popular like in the seventies, is like part of like
856
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:56.280
a late period hippie movement of like just everybody smile,
857
00:38:56.440 --> 00:38:58.880
you know, sort of thing, And it was him reacting
858
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:02.199
against that, like, oh fuck off, Like you know, the
859
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:05.400
smile face will actually be the weapon of the murderer.
860
00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:09.079
And what's cool about that is that there's a bit
861
00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:11.639
in Gremlins where on Billy's fridge and Gremlins there's a
862
00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:14.920
smiley face there, so it's like, aw, oh, well.
863
00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:17.079
That's a perfect place to take a break. We will
864
00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:20.159
be right back with our feature film after these missips
865
00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:23.719
from the grave that we have no control over. Okay,
866
00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:28.719
and we are back. Let's talk about rob Boutine a
867
00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:29.079
little bit.
868
00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:31.360
Yeah, well, let's talk about I guess it's the you know,
869
00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:34.639
each Werewolf movie. I was gonna say each Werewolf movie,
870
00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:37.320
but it's not necessarily true because for a while there,
871
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:39.559
obviously in the wake of this in American Werewolf there
872
00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:43.360
was the transformation scene. But it feels like nobody's really
873
00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:45.440
wanted to compete with these movies in the bigger way.
874
00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:47.119
After the eighties ended.
875
00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:48.960
Oh well, you kind of get know, And it's hard
876
00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:51.800
to hold because they did it. They did it as
877
00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:54.599
perfectly as it can be done. Anything else is just
878
00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:57.880
a copy and if you even try to use CGI.
879
00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:01.440
And it's just it feels we yeah, it really does.
880
00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:05.199
And like this one maybe more than American werewolf has
881
00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:09.000
like a quintessential you know, transformation sequence, because an American werewolf,
882
00:40:09.079 --> 00:40:12.679
he's alone transforming in this apartment, whereas this, you know,
883
00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:14.880
Eddie makes sure that Karen is going to watch, and
884
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:16.199
like Karen does watch.
885
00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:20.519
You know, these these werewolves are so funny because one
886
00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:23.440
of my favorite scenes is when he, like the werewolf
887
00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:25.559
hand just comes down and he pulls the file out
888
00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:27.880
of her hand and then hangs up the phone, and
889
00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:30.920
I'm like, oh my god. It's a very different kind
890
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:34.519
of werewolf American werewolf in London, which is why they
891
00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:37.760
both stand up against each other. I will say, just
892
00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:40.159
because I have to, I think London's is a better
893
00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:42.639
transformation scene. I think so it's a lot more painful,
894
00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:47.119
looks a lot more real. This is crazy and wildest,
895
00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:51.239
grossest fun kind of way because even when, like before
896
00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:53.920
he's changed, he looks a little weird and I'm still like,
897
00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:56.559
I'm still like weirdly attracted to you, and I don't know,
898
00:40:56.880 --> 00:40:58.400
Robert looks like Eddie Munson.
899
00:40:58.559 --> 00:40:59.800
Yeah, he does a little bit.
900
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:04.440
It's like a and yes, Bill's just been so horrible
901
00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:06.280
to her. I'm like, can't you talk this out? With
902
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:08.320
this guy, like maybe you should just talk him down
903
00:41:08.679 --> 00:41:11.039
right and then you kill him, don't let him turn
904
00:41:11.079 --> 00:41:12.960
into this werewolf. But he's like, I've got something to
905
00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:15.360
show you, baby, and then we go through what like
906
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:17.360
eight minutes of him screaming.
907
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:18.400
It is very long.
908
00:41:18.639 --> 00:41:20.880
Yeah, boo team is only twenty one years old. I
909
00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:24.400
can't even imagine doing all this stuff at that young age.
910
00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:26.960
Yeah, and you know it's the typical thing or because
911
00:41:26.960 --> 00:41:30.199
it's a bunch of different individual makeup gags, you know,
912
00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:32.760
put together in a sequence. There's a lot of cuts
913
00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:35.119
and it's not it's a lot of transitions, but a
914
00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:37.000
lot of transitions. But yeah, it's it's the thing where
915
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:40.800
like it's it's really dwelling on, like the piece by pieceness.
916
00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:43.000
Of what this transformation wanted us to see it all.
917
00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:46.559
Yeah, and it is, you know, the movie's big reveal,
918
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:48.800
so to speak, in the sense that we have other
919
00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:51.159
transformations that happen in the movie, but we don't really
920
00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:53.199
get to see them in detail, and you know, they
921
00:41:53.480 --> 00:41:55.840
they're pretty much off screen or they have them pretty quickly.
922
00:41:55.840 --> 00:41:58.159
We see a lot of like eyes and teeth and
923
00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:01.599
hair in weird places up until we got well we
924
00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:04.679
see him in full like dog wolf. It's like he
925
00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:08.519
I think the dog soldiers wolves are a little bit cooler,
926
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:10.679
but this one when he's standing up, does kind of
927
00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:11.559
remind me of them.
928
00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:12.039
Yeah.
929
00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:16.559
Yeah, it's very cute, but also medicing because that wolf's
930
00:42:16.599 --> 00:42:18.800
just walking around and it's funny when you finally realize like,
931
00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:21.280
oh shit, everybody is a werewolf and now serial killer
932
00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:24.480
werewolf is here and we just are overrun with up
933
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:27.000
walking around werewolves who know how to hang up phones,
934
00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:28.559
open doors and take files out of.
935
00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:30.000
Her yep, yep.
936
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:33.119
And they all looked kind of like they looked real.
937
00:42:33.320 --> 00:42:34.000
I'd be scared.
938
00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:37.079
Yeah, I know, the rather as you were saying in
939
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:40.280
a second ago, rather than the American werewolf idea of
940
00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:43.760
like it's a person turning into a full blooded like
941
00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:47.280
evil animal, where it's just, yeah, he wasn't animal.
942
00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:49.039
You know, it's rabbit.
943
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:51.880
It's going everywhere, it's killing everything, it's in sight, whereas
944
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:56.360
these werewolves have some remnant of their human intelligence. There's
945
00:42:56.480 --> 00:42:59.440
there's a direction that they are pointed in there. You know,
946
00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:02.039
they're but like it's that sort of thing. If it
947
00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:05.960
was like, I wouldn't have surprised us. Yeah, it could
948
00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:07.639
have probably, but uh, yeah, so it's.
949
00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:10.320
Very different wearable versions and it's really cool.
950
00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:10.920
Yeah.
951
00:43:11.440 --> 00:43:13.480
I have to imagine they were like, what are you doing?
952
00:43:13.880 --> 00:43:14.840
I don't know what are you doing?
953
00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:16.239
Who did.
954
00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:18.800
Did American Werewolf?
955
00:43:18.880 --> 00:43:19.440
And yeah?
956
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:23.599
Him, Yeah, So there's no way that they were like, well,
957
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:26.599
we have to make them different, that's probably. So that's
958
00:43:26.679 --> 00:43:31.000
probably why this isn't some crazy revelation. I'm just revealing
959
00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:33.119
itself exactly true. That's why.
960
00:43:33.320 --> 00:43:36.119
That's why so differently, But it's also like the difference
961
00:43:36.199 --> 00:43:38.880
in the stories themselves, because this movie wouldn't make as
962
00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:41.599
much sense if it was weara wolves who can't control
963
00:43:41.639 --> 00:43:45.639
their transformations and all. Yeah, and or like they would
964
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:47.280
just be animals where it's like, you know, you can't
965
00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:49.880
heard the animals in the same way, you know, the
966
00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:51.280
sort of thing. They would just be all over the
967
00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:55.079
place attacking everybody willy nilly, Whereas it makes more sense
968
00:43:55.159 --> 00:43:58.119
for this story that they have to be somewhat intelligent
969
00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:01.239
and somewhat still humanoid some way of terms of like
970
00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:05.960
you know, what they represent. Because one of Dante's uh
971
00:44:06.599 --> 00:44:10.239
collaborators from well, several of his collaborators from Panana came over,
972
00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:14.119
including pin who did the score again.
973
00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:15.119
Which is great in this movie.
974
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:16.480
Oh the score is crazy.
975
00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:20.480
And then and Michael Finnell who was his longtime producer
976
00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:24.199
but co writer John Sales, who also co wrote Parana
977
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:27.800
and John Sales who also did a ton of other
978
00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:28.559
great movies.
979
00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:31.639
Uh, like, well, the Piranha story is just as crazy
980
00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:32.320
as this one.
981
00:44:32.639 --> 00:44:35.480
Yeah, it makes sense, but I love that. Yeah, his
982
00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:37.719
his work on the film. He's also in the movie.
983
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:40.840
He's at the coroner. I think, who's like eating a
984
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:42.320
burger while he's showing them.
985
00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:43.119
Yeah.
986
00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:44.960
I guess you just got to get used to it
987
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:46.199
when that's your job, right.
988
00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:47.760
So yeah, I know.
989
00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:49.840
It's it's cool that like this, this movie has so
990
00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:54.079
much social commentary in it, again in contrast to American Werewolf,
991
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:57.440
which is more character based, character driven, you know, sort
992
00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:00.400
of idea, whereas this movie is about like what if
993
00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:03.079
there were society of were wolves and like, you know
994
00:45:03.199 --> 00:45:06.400
these people, well if you will, yeah, pack if you will.
995
00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:09.679
And while they're not necessarily like you know, demons from hell,
996
00:45:10.519 --> 00:45:14.719
they don't really have human beings best intentions in mind either.
997
00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:16.079
And it's this idea of like.
998
00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:18.639
You know, but also it's like, is it that bad.
999
00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:22.880
We can hunt here. We live out here under the moonlight.
1000
00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:25.079
We're very happy in our little community. We have a
1001
00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:27.880
doctor that helps us out. Don't you want to join?
1002
00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:30.000
I feel like times are tough.
1003
00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:32.400
I'm like, yeah, yeah, and I think that's what doctor
1004
00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:35.480
what's his name, you know, George there wants to have
1005
00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:38.880
which is a Patrick mcnee's character of like, you know,
1006
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:43.440
he's trying to advocate for the werewolf people to build
1007
00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:46.880
their own utopia community and everything, and obviously you know
1008
00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:50.320
these people have baser natures within them, like a serial
1009
00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:51.679
killer Eddie.
1010
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:54.159
It's like, you know, well, I guess that's not real.
1011
00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:58.599
This repression, that's violence or anger fear, like we're all
1012
00:45:58.679 --> 00:46:01.559
were wolves all, oh, and your instinct with that, it
1013
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:04.719
all just builds and builds, and then you bring new
1014
00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:06.519
people in and it's like, give me two days and
1015
00:46:06.559 --> 00:46:08.159
I'm going to make sure that guy cheats on his
1016
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:09.840
wife with me. I'm going to turn them into aware
1017
00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:12.000
level And it's like, hey, maybe we should take a
1018
00:46:12.039 --> 00:46:13.760
little like time to think about it. We don't want
1019
00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:15.960
to draw any attention to us, and hope I'm doing
1020
00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:16.599
it immediately.
1021
00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:20.519
Yeah, yeah, it doesn't go good for everybody, So really,
1022
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:23.840
in a way this movie and this story like it
1023
00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:27.280
could work without the werewolf agle. It shouldn't and it doesn't,
1024
00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:29.480
but like it could in the sense that if this
1025
00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:33.360
was just a movie about people with depression in the
1026
00:46:33.400 --> 00:46:35.440
mountains or in the country, you know, trying to deal
1027
00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:37.719
with their oppression and trying to deal with their urges whatever,
1028
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:40.639
and it's like, ultimately they can't because they're deviants in
1029
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:44.400
some way. You know, they don't necessarily need the transformation aspect,
1030
00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:45.360
but they do.
1031
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:48.480
It's pretty cool, yeah, like, don't suppress that instinct.
1032
00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:50.039
It's healthy, it's unhealthy.
1033
00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:54.199
Yeah, unleash your beast. Yeah, to which I'm like, oh shit,
1034
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:54.719
I'd be in this.
1035
00:46:55.880 --> 00:46:56.039
Well.
1036
00:46:56.320 --> 00:46:59.000
It is very seductive, right, it is very seductive.
1037
00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:01.840
And that's what's kind of doctor George. Thanks, doctor George.
1038
00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:04.519
And that's what's kind of cool about the classic you know,
1039
00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:06.880
werewolf mythos being attached onto this or at least a
1040
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:10.239
version of it, because you know, let's say that this
1041
00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:12.679
was vampires instead, you know, and obviously you can almost
1042
00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:14.480
say that about the Lost Boys, right where it's like
1043
00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:17.559
this seductive idea of like, no, you can hang out
1044
00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:19.480
and party forever and like you never have to die
1045
00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:20.280
or age whatever.
1046
00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:21.039
Is that cool?
1047
00:47:21.559 --> 00:47:23.440
But then you have that classic horror thing of like
1048
00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:25.920
you're sure because you're gonna be having to do all
1049
00:47:25.960 --> 00:47:28.480
this other howful stuff like killing people, drinking blood.
1050
00:47:29.360 --> 00:47:30.960
No more of like how I'd have to like my
1051
00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:34.960
fingernails would grow out, my bones would break. That seems
1052
00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:39.119
like it sucks, right right right, continue.
1053
00:47:38.960 --> 00:47:42.360
Continue, Yeah, killing people's fine, Okay, that's fine, but my
1054
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:46.920
wrisk is going to go so your risk ou uh.
1055
00:47:47.360 --> 00:47:49.159
Well that's the idea though, is like this Yeah, this
1056
00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:51.199
movie like really gets at the heart of the social
1057
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:56.639
commentary with the yeah, this seduction of this idea of
1058
00:47:56.920 --> 00:48:01.119
you know, kind of criticizing you know, the the sexual revolution,
1059
00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:05.880
the kind of social revolution, this idea of everybody should
1060
00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:08.320
just get allowed, be allowed to express themselves whatever way
1061
00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:10.800
they want and be fine. And then it's like, well, no,
1062
00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:12.719
it wouldn't be. We do have to have some sort
1063
00:48:12.760 --> 00:48:15.360
of law or rule, you know, so that people aren't
1064
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:19.840
taking advantage of one another or assaulting one another or
1065
00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:21.719
killing one another, you know, like whatever the case.
1066
00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:24.559
May do, right, And unfortunately that is what's happening at
1067
00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:26.960
Werewolf for treat.
1068
00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:28.119
Girl for Tree at the colony.
1069
00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:33.239
Yeah, and Yeah, so I think that for as crazy
1070
00:48:33.280 --> 00:48:36.960
as Dante can get and certainly does get in his
1071
00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:40.760
later movies, this one really does keep an emphasis on
1072
00:48:41.000 --> 00:48:44.000
this sleaziness, the seediness, and the horror.
1073
00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:47.760
There's definitely a lot of humor in this movie, for sure.
1074
00:48:48.119 --> 00:48:48.920
Oh, it's hilarious.
1075
00:48:48.960 --> 00:48:49.719
It's really funny.
1076
00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:52.880
Robert, It's always funny Robert. What's his face, Picardo Ricardo. Yeah,
1077
00:48:53.159 --> 00:48:55.400
but Dante, are you ever going to stop killing him?
1078
00:48:56.199 --> 00:48:56.840
We're just gonna like.
1079
00:48:56.960 --> 00:49:00.199
Keep doing this forever. Yeah, but where Dante's host of
1080
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:03.280
Vante's other stuff, including even you know the Burbs or
1081
00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:08.079
even in Twilight's on the movie segment has like rough
1082
00:49:08.199 --> 00:49:10.960
edges like this is the one movie that's the least
1083
00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:12.960
I would say cartoonish of his you know.
1084
00:49:13.159 --> 00:49:15.960
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, it feels almost like an episode
1085
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:18.239
of Dynasty in like the best way. There is a
1086
00:49:18.360 --> 00:49:21.280
lot of drama going on in this and it is funny. Yeah,
1087
00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:24.519
And Karen like she never actually becomes like the hero
1088
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:27.960
kind of to the end. She's so psychologically broken and
1089
00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:30.760
her arc is just kind of like losing who she
1090
00:49:30.920 --> 00:49:32.920
is and her agency, which we do kind of see
1091
00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:35.800
her get back by the end, and it's unfortunate. What's
1092
00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:37.960
that guy's little girlfriend? The werewolf pulls the file in
1093
00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:39.119
her hand, they kills her.
1094
00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:39.599
Terry.
1095
00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:41.719
Terry gets it really bad.
1096
00:49:41.760 --> 00:49:42.760
Sorry I thought you.
1097
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:46.159
Yeah, But luckily what's his name.
1098
00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:48.280
Shows up?
1099
00:49:49.119 --> 00:49:51.920
The guy who yeah, Chris, Chris, Yeah, she.
1100
00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:54.920
Shows up to save her. At the end, they lock
1101
00:49:55.119 --> 00:49:58.039
all of these werewolves in the church or the community
1102
00:49:58.119 --> 00:50:00.719
center or whatever and burn them up while they're all
1103
00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:04.199
mid transformation. It is the coolest shot in the movie.
1104
00:50:04.599 --> 00:50:07.119
Everybody does such a good job. Everybody looks so cool,
1105
00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:09.000
like Rob Hutane amazing. Yeah.
1106
00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:11.000
And there's a sequence where they're trying to escape from
1107
00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:13.400
there with a couple of wearables that got loose, like yeah,
1108
00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:16.440
that that they're attacking their car, and that reminds me
1109
00:50:16.519 --> 00:50:18.679
of the scene from Aliens a few years later where
1110
00:50:18.920 --> 00:50:22.039
the Aliens are attacking the uh, the transport you know,
1111
00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:24.239
and that sort of thing. They're running them over kind
1112
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:26.639
of in a similar fashion. So, hey, you know Dante
1113
00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:30.199
and James Cameron, same Roger Corman school, you know.
1114
00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:35.039
But like just to have been at that time, like
1115
00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:38.639
can I be your assistant? I'll just hold the bucket
1116
00:50:38.719 --> 00:50:40.840
that you have to clean your makeup brushes off.
1117
00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:43.639
In right, just let me be a part of it. Yeah,
1118
00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:44.960
I would go back in time.
1119
00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:46.639
I would too, These are the things I would do
1120
00:50:46.719 --> 00:50:49.880
with the time machine did nothing good. I would go
1121
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:51.559
see The Exorcist the night I came out.
1122
00:50:53.679 --> 00:50:55.519
Yeah, right, we would have been changing history for the better.
1123
00:50:56.480 --> 00:50:59.320
Run the lotteries and pick all of those numbers and
1124
00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:01.119
then go back.
1125
00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:03.000
Yep. Yeah, that's it.
1126
00:51:03.760 --> 00:51:08.239
The end is the best. It is so unexpected. After
1127
00:51:08.320 --> 00:51:10.360
they get out and they evade the werewolves that came
1128
00:51:10.440 --> 00:51:14.559
after them, they drive away. Karen, it seems just as
1129
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:18.360
going back to work. Chris is there and she decides
1130
00:51:18.440 --> 00:51:22.519
to go full werewolf. During a live broadcast, she transformed herself.
1131
00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:25.800
Whether the world assumes its special effects or something crazy
1132
00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:28.639
or not, she really did it. She turned into a
1133
00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:32.360
Pomeranian on screen in front of everybody. Yeah, and then
1134
00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:34.639
Chris kills her. Right, it's just crazy.
1135
00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:37.639
I guess there was a discussion because originally in the
1136
00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:40.639
script or the original conception of that ending was she
1137
00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:43.119
was going to turn into the exact same wolf that
1138
00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:45.119
we saw in the rest of the movie of like,
1139
00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:46.960
you know, very big, menacing sort of thing.
1140
00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:48.800
It could have been a more feminine version than that,
1141
00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:49.880
but not that Pommery.
1142
00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:51.559
I guess I don't know if it was D or
1143
00:51:51.760 --> 00:51:54.559
the producers or somebody else who said, actually, shouldn't shouldn't
1144
00:51:54.559 --> 00:51:57.639
be like like less evil looking or you know, not
1145
00:51:57.760 --> 00:52:00.000
as because they wanted to emphasize the sad.
1146
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:02.159
Of like her sacrifice, you know, isn't it for me?
1147
00:52:02.440 --> 00:52:04.719
Yeah? And I think that they kind of compromise a
1148
00:52:04.760 --> 00:52:08.519
little too hard. But I do think that the power
1149
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:10.559
of that ending isn't diminished at all in terms of
1150
00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:14.000
its commentary, but also it's satire and the way that
1151
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:18.440
it reminds me almost exactly of the ending to John
1152
00:52:18.519 --> 00:52:22.239
Carpenter's They Live. Where something happens on television, Yeah, and
1153
00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:23.840
then you get a bunch of reactions.
1154
00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:26.280
Yeah, there's a lot of a matter of people already
1155
00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:27.840
believe TV is fake.
1156
00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:29.880
Right right, and it gets I mean that speaks to
1157
00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:32.519
even us in twenty twenty six, where if this, you know,
1158
00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:34.840
happened on some you know, if we saw it on
1159
00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:37.079
social media or whatever, be like okay, fake you know
1160
00:52:37.239 --> 00:52:42.519
ai AI whatever. And this idea that like trying to
1161
00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:45.119
reach the masses all at once with a vital truth
1162
00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:47.519
that you're trying to ward them against it's it means
1163
00:52:47.639 --> 00:52:48.920
kind of over for us, you know.
1164
00:52:51.199 --> 00:52:54.360
Well, that's why it's like she works in. I mean
1165
00:52:54.440 --> 00:52:56.400
the news you can almost say nowadays is like a
1166
00:52:56.480 --> 00:53:01.519
reality TV thing, but like it's constantly asking like sorry,
1167
00:53:01.679 --> 00:53:04.880
third chair, shut up, get out of here. He's right
1168
00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:07.679
under me screaming, oh yeah, my little werewolf. That's what
1169
00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:11.880
she looked like most of kat well, and she was
1170
00:53:11.920 --> 00:53:14.960
like howling, and she's like, oh, is somebody calling somebody?
1171
00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:18.760
You can reveal actual monsters to people on TV and
1172
00:53:18.800 --> 00:53:23.519
nobody's going to believe it. It's or just the opposite.
1173
00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:25.119
I don't want to get political, but it is this
1174
00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:27.360
weird world that we live in that people can say
1175
00:53:27.400 --> 00:53:29.800
something that's so, oh, Earth is flat, that's a good
1176
00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:34.000
one to pick, and then some people are like, yeah, god,
1177
00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:37.360
it is so dorth is flat. My kids are going
1178
00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:38.920
to think and now no, I'm going to think you
1179
00:53:38.960 --> 00:53:42.599
now like, yeah, but that's what happens. Like you would
1180
00:53:42.639 --> 00:53:44.320
be people be like, these are the lizard people that
1181
00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:46.280
live in the White House and they're just infiltrating the
1182
00:53:46.360 --> 00:53:48.760
news and they live under the Colorado Airport And look
1183
00:53:48.800 --> 00:53:51.199
at that fucking Pomeranian wolf that that was so real,
1184
00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:54.280
but it was. It's a democrat, you know it. It's
1185
00:53:54.360 --> 00:53:56.079
just crazy what people would do with something like that.
1186
00:53:56.280 --> 00:53:58.679
But the amount of people who would believe it would
1187
00:53:58.719 --> 00:54:00.400
be contained to the people who were in that room.
1188
00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:02.639
Yeah, So I'll just read.
1189
00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:04.760
I'll quote from the review that I wrote a couple
1190
00:54:04.760 --> 00:54:07.360
of years ago when I watched the movie and all
1191
00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:09.880
the special features last, which was not the movie last,
1192
00:54:09.960 --> 00:54:12.840
but the special features. But I wrote this review back
1193
00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:16.320
in twenty twenty, where I said, just like The Transformation,
1194
00:54:16.480 --> 00:54:18.800
the entire film is aimed at presenting werewolves matter of
1195
00:54:18.880 --> 00:54:21.239
factly the better, not just for the scare sequences such
1196
00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:24.400
as Blenda Blaski's impressive extended set piece as she's chased
1197
00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:27.480
all over the forest, but for the film's overall themes itself.
1198
00:54:27.920 --> 00:54:30.880
Neither doctor Wagner nor the Channel six editorials have the answer,
1199
00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:34.280
but the movie presents modern life as violence and transgression soaked,
1200
00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:36.639
and Karen ultimately decides to show the world, or at
1201
00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:39.679
least California, it's true face during prime time. Of course,
1202
00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:41.760
the people may be too far in denial to listen.
1203
00:54:42.079 --> 00:54:45.159
The movie's most notable innovation is its pressing criticism too.
1204
00:54:45.719 --> 00:54:48.440
The things they can do with special effects these days unquote,
1205
00:54:48.719 --> 00:54:52.079
like serial murder or sexual deviancy. The existence of werewolfism
1206
00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:53.519
is just more meat for the griddle.
1207
00:54:56.159 --> 00:54:56.400
Wow.
1208
00:54:57.719 --> 00:54:59.480
I like connecting the last shot because I do love
1209
00:54:59.480 --> 00:55:01.039
that last shot a lot well.
1210
00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:04.559
And it's also you picked like everybody's favorite mom.
1211
00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:07.760
You know, she was an et the next year she
1212
00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:09.719
got cast and eat because of this movie.
1213
00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:11.760
Oh it is the following year. Yeah, but so she's
1214
00:55:11.840 --> 00:55:13.800
been nothing but hard before that. It was Hills Have
1215
00:55:13.880 --> 00:55:17.639
Eyes Eyes, and was after this too. Yeah, after they
1216
00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:20.800
wanted somebody that like Hollywood trusted or like people audience
1217
00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:22.159
were like, oh, that's like our mom.
1218
00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:24.519
Yeah, just sort of a very like white bread like
1219
00:55:24.639 --> 00:55:27.280
you know, a Donna Red type, you know, sort of
1220
00:55:27.320 --> 00:55:30.840
thing of Yeah, like d really just exuded that because
1221
00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:32.679
she you know, she was fairly young at the time,
1222
00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:35.840
and so she never really played the angenue part or
1223
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:38.440
anything like that of like the the sultry young thing.
1224
00:55:38.519 --> 00:55:40.599
She was always like a little bit mom energy, you know,
1225
00:55:40.679 --> 00:55:41.920
even when she was younger. You know.
1226
00:55:43.360 --> 00:55:46.920
Yeah, and this idea that like, yeah, this wholesome, relatively
1227
00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:51.159
wholesome woman, you know, having to show like her dark
1228
00:55:51.239 --> 00:55:54.199
side on television and then not even working or you know,
1229
00:55:54.480 --> 00:55:56.039
maybe kind of sort of working well.
1230
00:55:56.079 --> 00:55:58.519
Also with adults, like we were in the age of
1231
00:55:59.079 --> 00:56:02.559
it being teenage in movies having to deal with the problem,
1232
00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:03.360
and this was.
1233
00:56:03.400 --> 00:56:05.960
A full on this is adult adults, all.
1234
00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:10.400
Adults, daytime, nighttime horror, confronted by the psychological trauma of
1235
00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:12.519
what they're dealing with. But then also wear roles.
1236
00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:15.039
Oh yeah, In fact, that's a really good point, ash
1237
00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:16.599
because yeah, this movie again.
1238
00:56:16.440 --> 00:56:18.519
Would not work if it was younger characters.
1239
00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:22.000
Yeah, if it was like people in college even it'd
1240
00:56:22.039 --> 00:56:24.599
be like, uh, you know, you guys are babies, like
1241
00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:27.719
grow up a little bit to have these neuroses, you
1242
00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:28.480
know sort of thing.
1243
00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:31.840
Yeah, where have to be married. Oh you're like, it's
1244
00:56:31.880 --> 00:56:33.639
not like, oh, you're just cheating on my boyfriend, which
1245
00:56:33.679 --> 00:56:36.480
happens all the time. Now it's her husband and it's
1246
00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:37.079
a bigger deal.
1247
00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:38.960
Yes, yeah, yep.
1248
00:56:40.039 --> 00:56:42.719
And then like the transformations themselves, like the way that
1249
00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:47.559
movies like The Fly we'd already said ginger snaps and
1250
00:56:47.639 --> 00:56:50.920
like society got grosser, Like this really brought us into
1251
00:56:50.960 --> 00:56:54.079
the age of grossness. And I really appreciate it for it,
1252
00:56:54.159 --> 00:56:55.440
Like I'll always be very thankful.
1253
00:56:55.679 --> 00:56:57.360
Oh yeah, and that's the other thing too, is Yeah,
1254
00:56:57.400 --> 00:57:01.559
the eighties was big on bladder effect transformations.
1255
00:57:01.639 --> 00:57:03.599
In fact, we haven't mentioned another big.
1256
00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:05.559
Ladder if they did do that like that.
1257
00:57:06.599 --> 00:57:11.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Even though I believe because he
1258
00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:14.239
hired John Landis, you know, Michael Jackson was more influenced
1259
00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:16.760
by American were Wolf, this certainly counts as another influence
1260
00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:17.280
on Thriller.
1261
00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:19.800
For Thriller, he looks just like but he looks just
1262
00:57:19.920 --> 00:57:21.760
like she does at the end, like a dumb little
1263
00:57:21.800 --> 00:57:22.239
kiddy cat.
1264
00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:24.199
Yeah, like a little kind of kiddy cat sort of thing.
1265
00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:27.480
Right, Yeah, it's the end of Thriller and Werewolf. I mean,
1266
00:57:27.559 --> 00:57:30.599
he is my cat at three o'clock in the morning
1267
00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:31.679
when he's like, ah.
1268
00:57:31.719 --> 00:57:32.199
You caught me.
1269
00:57:32.280 --> 00:57:37.679
I'm walking around you know. Yeah yeah, but yeah, like
1270
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:41.599
we said, like, there's not a modern horror movie with
1271
00:57:41.719 --> 00:57:45.519
werewolves in it that doesn't borrow from the Howling or.
1272
00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:47.440
Influence.
1273
00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:47.840
Yeah.
1274
00:57:48.079 --> 00:57:48.280
Yeah.
1275
00:57:48.519 --> 00:57:50.920
And it is just so crazy that the two came
1276
00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:52.960
out the same year. You almost kind of appreciate it
1277
00:57:53.079 --> 00:57:56.559
because you know that they didn't like, well, there, you
1278
00:57:56.639 --> 00:57:58.920
can't say they copied, you know what I mean. Unluckily
1279
00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:01.599
we know that the the effects people were so close
1280
00:58:02.519 --> 00:58:05.719
in communication and friendship that they probably may were like,
1281
00:58:05.760 --> 00:58:07.079
we're not going to do the same movie, and that
1282
00:58:07.199 --> 00:58:07.840
is so awesome.
1283
00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:11.480
It's so it's so cool. Yeah, yeah, that's the thing.
1284
00:58:11.599 --> 00:58:15.599
So I h I wonder still if there I still
1285
00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:18.039
do believe that there's somebody out there who can make
1286
00:58:18.880 --> 00:58:20.239
you know, I'm not going to say they can top
1287
00:58:20.360 --> 00:58:22.079
any of these, either of these movies, but I think
1288
00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:24.559
that there's still you want to remake No, No, I
1289
00:58:24.599 --> 00:58:26.639
think there's still good Werewolf, you know, stories to be
1290
00:58:26.719 --> 00:58:27.400
told on screen.
1291
00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:29.000
I want to see.
1292
00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:33.360
No, there's a million sequels anyway, so like we don't
1293
00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:36.840
need to. But yeah, I think that in terms of
1294
00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:39.760
like getting at what makes the creature so interesting more
1295
00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:43.039
than just you know, we are in elevated horror s base.
1296
00:58:43.119 --> 00:58:45.519
Still we are in this idea. Oh, this is what
1297
00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:49.079
I was trying to get at, Ash fingers crossed. We
1298
00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:53.760
may be in for something quintessential or at least new
1299
00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:56.440
benchmark at the end of this year when Werewolf comes out,
1300
00:58:56.840 --> 00:59:00.719
I'm so excited. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because
1301
00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:02.639
I did feel that way about nos Faratu, where I
1302
00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:05.159
think we both did in terms of wow, this really
1303
00:59:05.199 --> 00:59:08.760
got like what we what appeals about vampire you know stories.
1304
00:59:09.400 --> 00:59:11.800
I was like, my December is crazy because within one
1305
00:59:11.840 --> 00:59:15.800
week span, I'm going to watch Dune, Doom, and were Wolf.
1306
00:59:19.079 --> 00:59:20.599
You can't really make wear Wolf rang with the other
1307
00:59:20.639 --> 00:59:30.559
two out un wait, do Due, Doom and yeah right,
1308
00:59:35.199 --> 00:59:36.159
okay anything else?
1309
00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:39.480
No, not really. I just I like that this one
1310
00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:42.440
is a little bit different than American where it's it's
1311
00:59:42.519 --> 00:59:46.639
more about the hedonism the society that we all tried,
1312
00:59:46.719 --> 00:59:50.480
like polite society tries to hide, yeah, while there is
1313
00:59:50.679 --> 00:59:53.119
this like everybody just you know, wants to have a
1314
00:59:53.159 --> 00:59:55.320
good time underneath, and if you make people push it down,
1315
00:59:55.440 --> 00:59:57.239
then they're going to start their own little coke colony
1316
00:59:57.360 --> 00:59:59.239
and turn into werewolves and they're going to steal your
1317
00:59:59.320 --> 01:00:03.280
husband's So you know, it's a spectacle. It is a
1318
01:00:03.480 --> 01:00:08.360
very crazy, very fun, very eighties perfect Werewolf movie. And
1319
01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:10.800
I think it's one of the most influencier horror productions
1320
01:00:11.039 --> 01:00:13.079
of the nineteen eighties. And that's what I'm to say.
1321
01:00:13.559 --> 01:00:16.760
Yeah, and I think that if you're coming at this
1322
01:00:17.079 --> 01:00:20.360
new if you've never seen The Howling before, you might
1323
01:00:20.440 --> 01:00:23.719
be surprised to see, you know, how much it has
1324
01:00:23.800 --> 01:00:27.440
to say about then current times, but also this current
1325
01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:30.400
time and how perennial it is. Yes, I do want
1326
01:00:30.440 --> 01:00:33.119
to say that, like it definitely feels more like a
1327
01:00:33.199 --> 01:00:35.199
commentary on the late seventies that it does the eighties.
1328
01:00:35.239 --> 01:00:38.119
We weren't quite in that Reagan era yet. But it
1329
01:00:38.239 --> 01:00:40.199
is interesting how much presage is it in terms of
1330
01:00:40.239 --> 01:00:43.960
the repression and in terms of it's clear whether they
1331
01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:46.360
were understanding of it at the time that they made
1332
01:00:46.360 --> 01:00:48.039
this movie or just it was in the air or what.
1333
01:00:48.679 --> 01:00:50.960
But I guess it's clear that like they were headed
1334
01:00:51.039 --> 01:00:54.679
for another right wing backed, you know, propression era of
1335
01:00:54.880 --> 01:00:57.119
like let's keep it all inside, you know sort of thing.
1336
01:00:57.320 --> 01:00:58.920
Push it down, push it down.
1337
01:00:58.880 --> 01:00:59.519
Push it down.
1338
01:00:59.679 --> 01:01:01.239
You know, I have a heart attack at fifty eight.
1339
01:01:01.280 --> 01:01:02.480
You have a heart attack at fifty eight.
1340
01:01:02.559 --> 01:01:04.960
Is you never hugged a puppy for eight a cookie?
1341
01:01:05.239 --> 01:01:05.360
Right?
1342
01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:07.800
Yeah?
1343
01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:08.000
You did.
1344
01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:10.880
It's okay, it's a good part.
1345
01:01:11.000 --> 01:01:11.800
I don't plagiarise.
1346
01:01:11.880 --> 01:01:14.719
You don't Playriz, you don't play Trice, And yeah, so
1347
01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:17.800
I think that and if yeah, if you're a fan
1348
01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:19.920
of Joe Dante's for other movies that he's done, and
1349
01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:21.760
you haven't seen this one, or you just haven't revisited
1350
01:01:21.800 --> 01:01:24.880
it in a while to check it out because he's.
1351
01:01:24.840 --> 01:01:25.760
Just one of the Alzheimer's.
1352
01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:28.960
And I think this is a movie that, other than Gremlins,
1353
01:01:29.159 --> 01:01:30.440
is the one that I would show people to be like,
1354
01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:31.920
look what this guy can do, Like he's.
1355
01:01:31.880 --> 01:01:33.599
Well, that's a really fun double feature.
1356
01:01:33.880 --> 01:01:36.800
It is, actually, yeah, let's talk about our double features. Yeah,
1357
01:01:37.360 --> 01:01:41.679
and and November a great double feature because it would
1358
01:01:41.840 --> 01:01:44.800
bring out more of the horror elements and Gremlins that
1359
01:01:44.840 --> 01:01:48.159
people can miss if they don't know, you know, oh true, Yeah, yeah.
1360
01:01:49.960 --> 01:01:51.280
Do we have other recommendations?
1361
01:01:51.280 --> 01:01:51.920
I guess I.
1362
01:01:51.920 --> 01:01:54.760
Already said mine. So The Howling two is fucking Boggers.
1363
01:01:54.920 --> 01:01:57.679
It is not directed by Dante. It is directed by
1364
01:01:57.920 --> 01:02:00.599
Felipe Mora, and it is nineteen eighty six, and it
1365
01:02:00.719 --> 01:02:03.599
is called The Howling Two. Your sister's a werewolf, that's
1366
01:02:03.639 --> 01:02:05.639
what it's called. Sometimes I can't remember what the other
1367
01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:10.239
name is. This movie's crazy. So after his sisters turned
1368
01:02:10.280 --> 01:02:14.760
into a werewolf and subsequently killed, Ben White decides to
1369
01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:21.239
help Uh decides to help the egnomatic Stefan crossco played
1370
01:02:21.239 --> 01:02:25.000
by Sir Christopher Lee, to fight the growing population of
1371
01:02:25.119 --> 01:02:31.199
lupine monsters along the Transylvanian area. I can't even get
1372
01:02:31.239 --> 01:02:35.760
through this. There's a werewolf queen, There's there's castles, there's
1373
01:02:35.800 --> 01:02:40.639
a score that is absolutely bonkers. It is so fucking crazy,
1374
01:02:40.840 --> 01:02:43.679
and you have to watch it. It is not good,
1375
01:02:43.800 --> 01:02:46.760
Like this movie's good, but it is. It's one of
1376
01:02:46.800 --> 01:02:49.360
the best bad movies you'll ever see. And you're just like,
1377
01:02:49.639 --> 01:02:53.719
how did you get you know, and mcunroe and like
1378
01:02:53.840 --> 01:02:57.320
fucking Christopher Lee and Sybil Danning, like what the fucked
1379
01:02:57.719 --> 01:02:59.440
stribeya the fucking.
1380
01:02:59.559 --> 01:03:02.840
Stir whatever werewolf bitch queen.
1381
01:03:03.239 --> 01:03:05.239
Yeah, it's wild.
1382
01:03:05.639 --> 01:03:06.320
Yeah, it's wild.
1383
01:03:07.400 --> 01:03:10.199
It takes until three or four before we get back
1384
01:03:10.239 --> 01:03:11.400
to like the Woods colony.
1385
01:03:11.679 --> 01:03:12.360
Oh wow.
1386
01:03:15.159 --> 01:03:17.719
As for me, I think I'm gonna go with a
1387
01:03:17.800 --> 01:03:19.320
couple of the things I've already said, which is that
1388
01:03:19.360 --> 01:03:22.719
if you like the vibe of, uh, this movie being
1389
01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:25.119
grounded in a serial killer or stocker y kind of
1390
01:03:25.280 --> 01:03:28.679
sleazy thriller, definitely check out Visiting Hours or The Seduction.
1391
01:03:29.079 --> 01:03:30.960
You know, it's obviously not Werewolves, but like it. It
1392
01:03:31.039 --> 01:03:34.480
will give you similar vibes to this idea of a woman,
1393
01:03:35.079 --> 01:03:38.079
you know, in a position of public figureness and sort
1394
01:03:38.119 --> 01:03:40.719
of you know, trying to be a journalist and be
1395
01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:43.880
independent having to deal with, you know, this guy who
1396
01:03:44.039 --> 01:03:47.079
is a sexual deviant who's really trying to possess or
1397
01:03:47.320 --> 01:03:50.880
or you know, even harm her. And then in terms
1398
01:03:50.920 --> 01:03:53.239
of other werewolf movies, you know, like we just kept saying,
1399
01:03:53.280 --> 01:03:57.880
it's hard to top. But ironically, one of the movies
1400
01:03:57.880 --> 01:04:00.400
I want to mention is not a werewolf movie, but
1401
01:04:00.559 --> 01:04:04.440
it has connections to both Howling Too and Howling which
1402
01:04:04.519 --> 01:04:08.079
is The Beast Within, which is also directed by Philipe Mora, which.
1403
01:04:07.960 --> 01:04:10.360
Was made the next Year's name.
1404
01:04:10.480 --> 01:04:11.320
A French girl.
1405
01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:13.599
Who's in that movie?
1406
01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:19.480
Uh, the Beast Within is Ronnie Cox. Who's the dad
1407
01:04:20.519 --> 01:04:22.400
who was in a bunch of Paul Verhoven movies.
1408
01:04:23.559 --> 01:04:25.719
Oh, am, I just thinking beast There's there's a.
1409
01:04:25.719 --> 01:04:26.920
Couple of movies called The Beast Within.
1410
01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:29.400
But you might be thinking of the Beast who's it's
1411
01:04:29.519 --> 01:04:32.000
it's the check from Doune June too. What's her name?
1412
01:04:32.440 --> 01:04:34.000
Oh no, this is not the same you're thinking of
1413
01:04:34.079 --> 01:04:35.960
the Beast Yeah, that's that's That was a movie that
1414
01:04:36.039 --> 01:04:38.119
came out two years ago or whatever. Uh, this is
1415
01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:40.840
called The Beast Within from nineteen eighty two and it stars, uh,
1416
01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:44.599
this guy named Paul Clemens as Michael who. It's based
1417
01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:48.719
on another like pop boiler, sleazy paperback novel about like
1418
01:04:49.800 --> 01:04:55.400
a cicada monster who like maybe sexually assaulted this woman
1419
01:04:55.440 --> 01:04:57.320
and then had a child, and it's this child who
1420
01:04:57.400 --> 01:05:00.239
might be turning into a cicada monster. Yeah.
1421
01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:03.199
It's like a bog yeah, like kind of a bug thing.
1422
01:05:03.440 --> 01:05:05.400
Like those loud bugs that are I hear at night.
1423
01:05:05.519 --> 01:05:09.119
Yeah, yeah, anyway, it's It's also got a transformation sequence
1424
01:05:09.159 --> 01:05:11.639
in it where people stand around gawking at like the
1425
01:05:11.719 --> 01:05:16.159
bladders that are expanding, you know, sort of thing. It
1426
01:05:16.320 --> 01:05:18.719
disturbed me just you know, as a child, like seeing
1427
01:05:18.920 --> 01:05:20.559
snippets of it here and there, and I was like,
1428
01:05:20.719 --> 01:05:26.719
oh gross. So yeah, definitely similar and different. And it's
1429
01:05:26.760 --> 01:05:29.880
funny how it could connect to Howland too, it is. Yeah, Okay,
1430
01:05:30.079 --> 01:05:30.400
I don't know.
1431
01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:32.280
I feel like there's so many Beast movies I can't
1432
01:05:32.320 --> 01:05:33.039
keep them all straight.
1433
01:05:33.119 --> 01:05:34.159
There are a lot of Beast movies.
1434
01:05:34.679 --> 01:05:36.199
But The Beast with Him is also one of the
1435
01:05:36.239 --> 01:05:38.599
first scripts written by Tom Holland, not the actor but
1436
01:05:38.719 --> 01:05:40.199
the director writer of Fright Night.
1437
01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:42.559
Yeah.
1438
01:05:44.760 --> 01:05:46.800
Now that I have another Tom Holland in my life,
1439
01:05:46.880 --> 01:05:48.559
I know. I listened to the rest is history.
1440
01:05:48.840 --> 01:05:50.760
Yeah right, there's like so many Tom Hollands, so.
1441
01:05:50.840 --> 01:05:53.000
Many Tom Hollands. Do you guys need to figure that out?
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What do you need to be called? Thomas? You know
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one of you can just go by your middle name
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or something.
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Right, Yeah, t Mac Yeah not that not Let's send this.
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Let's send this.
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Oh, thank you all for joining us for this episode
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of Bill and Nashley's part of the Stranded PAN Network.
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You can find my work in the show notes links below.
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