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Welcome to another horrifying episode of Bill and Ashley's Terror
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on the Marquis. This week is hocum. Join us right
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after we get back from looking up what that word
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means all that after these ads we have no control over.
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Welcome back. I'm Ashley Coffin, joined as always by my
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co host and Terror Bill Bria. Bill Darling, how are
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we today?
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I'm doing pretty good, ash But just in case, I'm
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drawing a circle of red myself protection here.
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You know, sometimes that might be the right idea, but
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sometimes it's not. We'll get to it. But before we
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gin the show, let's have a look at what little
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news from the world of horror you've got for us today. Bill,
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what did you read from our necronomicon?
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Well, first in the necronomicon is is another rest in Peace?
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Another sad passing. Japanese writer co G.
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Suzuki, the creator of the Ring franchise, did pass away
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recently at the age of sixty eight.
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Very sad.
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Yeah, he you know, obviously was instrumental in kind of
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I wouldn't say inadvertently, but you know, certainly it contributed
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to you. Because nobody can know when a movement is
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gonna you know, pop off. But he certainly was a pillar,
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let's say, of the beginning of the j horror movement,
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you know, even though he wasn't necessarily a filmmaker himself,
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but he you know, his write, his work, his writings
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obviously influenced not just the Ring series of films, both
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in you know, his native Japan as well as the
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American remakes over here, but also Dark Water, which was
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another Headayo Nakada movie.
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Uh is that the Jennifer Jennifer Connelly.
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Well that was the American version, Yes, but yeah, I
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did not.
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Care for that, but I think I liked the Japanese
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one better.
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Yeah, yeah, uh so, yeah, Nakata did, uh the Japanese version.
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I don't know if he did the American one as well,
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because I know he did kind of tend to jump around.
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He did, you know, Ring to America style as well
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as the original in Japan. So yeah, that's Nakata's whole deal.
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That's that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about
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Suzuki and uh yeah, his his body of work, you know,
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inspired movies like like other Ring cycles, like Ring sequels.
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Sorry it's early for me. Uh, Spiral, the Ring Virus,
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Ring two, Ring Zero, Birthday, Open Water to a Drift, Yeah,
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which I did not know about.
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Uh. And of course the Sadako movie Sadaka three D,
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stacko versus Kayako.
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Love Versus Chicago.
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And apparently also he wrote a story called Dream Cruise,
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which was the source material for the final episode of
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the Masters of Horror series. So okay, yeah, some people
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referred to him as the Stephen King of Japan.
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Uh. So, I like that.
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There is a fabulous documentary on Shutter. I believe it's
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just called J Horror, but I'm probably wrong about that.
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It is amazing, and he's in there a lot.
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Yeah, it's gotta have J Horror in the title somewhere,
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I'm sure.
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Yeah, it's something like that.
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So yeah, if you just search J Horror on Shutter,
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you'll probably find it documentary.
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Yeah right, and you'll probably.
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Find a couple of you know, whatever movies they might
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have in the in the in the genre in on shutter.
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But anyway, yeah, so goodbye, uh to to Kogi and
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thanks for all the nightmares.
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Thanks for all the thanks for all the fish.
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Uh jumping over to.
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Something that I know that you and I will be
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excited about ash. We have a setting confirmation for the
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upcoming Terrifier for I saw.
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It's going to take place around New Year's Eve. Love it.
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Damian Leone tweeted ours sorry. He shared an Instagram a
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post which says, no space, no Easter Bunny arts bringing
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in the New Year. Unfortunately you won't get Terrifier in
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space or obviously. I don't know who wanted Terrifier Easter.
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I don't. I didn't particularly.
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Kind of did based off the last thing that we
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were talking about. There are not a lot of yeah,
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Easter horror, so that could have been funny, and they
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do have a like at the tie in with the
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religious stuff and Mary and all that. I don't know
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that he would work.
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I'll say this, he would make a great Easter bunny
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art Easter Bunny, Yes, that would be great. Yeah, but yeah,
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I think what's that actor's name, Oh, David Howard Thornton.
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I believe, congratulations David Howard Thornton. He proposed to his
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girlfriend at con or whatever dressed as Art the Clown,
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and I just thought it was so cute.
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Yeah I saw that too, but yeah, so I'm excited.
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I think it's fun that, you know, I would consider
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New Year's Eve to be of the big holidays of
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the calendar year. You know, you have your Christmas and Thanksgiving,
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and this would be I don't know.
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Number three.
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So it's like it does feel yeah, pomatically, I would
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say so, yeah, but that's just because I have a
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hatred of fireworks ever since twenty twenty. So but yeah,
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now I think that, you know, obviously it becomes after Thanksgiving,
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Christmas or sorry, Halloween, Christmas and Thanksgiving, I guess, which
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you know also could have been a terrifier idea of
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like terrifier Thanksgiving, I suppose, you know, But it is
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so close to Halloween and Christmas that.
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It feels we just had that.
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We just had, so we kind of feel like we've
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tapped out on that too. It's gonna be good.
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I think we are recording this on Mother's Day, and
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I'm still kind of waiting for the Eliron because Mother's
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Day is one of Eli Roth's favorite movies. You've never
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seen Mother's Day. Holy shit, it's it's fucked. But I
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would have really liked I still want to Eli Roth's
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version and what he would do with that story in
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these times, and if it would even be allowed. It's
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pretty dark.
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He's got his whatever he's doing with ice cream Man
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is coming out soon, so you know.
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I'm excited for that too.
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It could have yeah, And then finally I wanted to
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mention what you know, me and a bunch of other
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snooty cinephiles think is like the coolest news of the
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last couple of months, which is that the sort of
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indie or I guess more art housey arm of Warner
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Brothers which just started up called Warner Brothers Clockwork has
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officially announced that they have restored the director's cut of
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Ken Russell's The Devil's and it's finally going to make
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its debut. And this is a landmark occasion because for
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years and years, ever since it premiered in I guess
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nineteen seventy one, it was heavily edited and it was
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kind of, you know, if not censored or banned outright,
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you know, it was hard to really get a viewing
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of it or you know, a good copy of it.
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For the longest time.
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I think maybe the bf I put out a DVD
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maybe like the late nineties or early two thousands, and
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then ever since then it's never really had an official
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release of any kind, never mind a director's cut, like
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it's just been whatever bootleggers could find to sort of
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put out there or leakers if you thought saw it
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on YouTube or if you saw it you know, pirated.
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I was lucky enough to see it for the first time,
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I think at Alamo Drafthouse in New York City, maybe
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like fifteen years ago or something. They did a print
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of I guess it must have been the theatrical cut
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or something. But and when I saw it then I
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was like, Wow, this movie is really going there. You know,
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have you seen ith?
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I feel like I've seen parts of it. Yeah, I
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don't know if I've seen the whole thing, but I
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know of it's the nuns and stuff.
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It's nuns Oliver Reed. Yeah.
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Question, what what makes that snooty?
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Oh a director? You no snooty? Because like it feels
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like that's you.
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I didn't say no, no, I said, I said, I'm
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making fun of I'm making fun of myself, because you know,
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it does feel like a movie that's become one of
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those buzzy like you know amongst the film Twitter or
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film you know, sinophile circles of like Oh the Devil,
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I love Serbian film or even something like Possession, you
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know where it's like, for the longest time, Possession was like,
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you know, you had to be in the know to
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sort of know about Possession.
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Now it feels like everybody knows about it. But yeah,
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it's true.
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But yeah, I think it's it's so I think prepare
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yourself for the Devil's if it officially gets this release
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like Warner Brothers Clock versus planning like this whole theatrical
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re release in this October.
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And I soon we should cover it.
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Yeah, and I assume that they're going to do a
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physical release, you know, soon after that. So I think
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it's about to become like a very memed or you know,
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for for God's sake. The thing that people love to
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bring up, which is still one of the craziest things
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that's happened, is there's a Devil's reference in Space Jam
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and New Legacy. The people that made that movie through
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one of the Yeah, they threw one of the nun characters
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in the crowd.
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Yeah the woman here. Yeah right, listen.
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I love that shit. Like I still think my favorite
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one is Pazuzu being in legend. Like if you're not
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looking for it, you don't see it, but if you
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see it in the bog, you're like, what is that
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doing there? I mean, and because I mean legends technically
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technically like a kid's movie technically.
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Still, it was just cool, but space Jam takes the cake.
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It also reminds me of when Chucky shows up in
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Brady Player one or something.
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Yeah, that makes sense to be for some reason.
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pop culture sort of thing, but yeah, yeah, so so yeah,
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it's a pretty pretty big deal. It's kind of funny
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that that, you know, the timing has worked out where
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like it feels like the people behind Wonder Brothers are
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maybe sort of I don't know, not rats leaving a
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singing chip. That's not a right metaphor, but like, you know,
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it feels like they're getting away with this because there's
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this impending merger sort of thing happening, and it kind
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of feels like they're slipping it under the cracks. Maybe
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that's a better metaphor, you know, where it's kind of like, hey,
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by the way, you know, before the lights are turned off,
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here's this, you know, so hey, at least at least
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more stuff I do yeah, exactly, that's what I'm trying
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to say.
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Yeah, so fingers crossed.
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This is just the beginning of whatever might happen through
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the vaults of.
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The I've been toying with getting the uh Criterion channel
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because it just looks like it's got so much done.
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I like watching everybody's picks when they get to go
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into the closet or whatever.
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Oh yeah, oh yeah, no, those videos are really fun.
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And also the channel.
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You know, what's cool that they've done is they've I
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guess worked out some sort of sort of intermediary license
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for certain films, where like they won't necessarily be a
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Criterion collection movies in the sense that you can't buy
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a Criterion Addition collection Blu ray of this, but it's
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still on the channel for like a limited time because
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they put it as part of their series whatever series
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they're doing that month or something. So yeah, it's kind
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of it's kind of definitely a good bargain.
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I think I know somebody who has a log in
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and I'm about to hit them up.
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But yeah, it's definitely, uh, definitely an option. There's so
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much out there, you know, it's a there's no question
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our well.
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Will never dry up. We'll be dead before our well drys.
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Up of Are you kidding?
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Yeah?
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No, I mean yeah, there's never gonna unless yeah, even
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if the apocalypse happens, like we still could go for
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the rest of our lifetimes. Yeah, providing the power stays on.
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I guess that's the other part.
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That's why I remember the movie rain Afire.
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Uh huh.
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So I loved the only thing that like made me
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And this has to do with children. Ye don't like them,
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but being able to pretend like I'm the best storyteller ever,
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and like the way that Gerard Butler was telling them
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the story of Star Wars him and they were like
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and the kids are like, wow, yeah, this is great.
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Just being able to like, sit down, kids, We're going
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to talk about the Blair Witch, you know, scare the
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shit out out of everybody.
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post I don't know from who or you know what context,
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but somebody saying that like they realized later in life
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that their father growing up like was telling them, was
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telling them a bedtime story every night for years and
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it realized like not until they were in their adulthood
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that like the dad was just telling them the story
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of whatever movie he had rented that week or something.
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I think that's really funny.
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Yeah, and hey, that's a pretty good segue into our
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feature film move this week.
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Yeah, so we will be discussing that right after these
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miss ups from the grave that we have no control over.
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And now it is time for our feature film. Okay.
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So Hokum is a new Irish folklore horror film from
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Damian McCarthy, the director of Cavat and Oddity, which, as
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everybody knows, is a personal favorite of mine. It was
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on my top five I guess for twenty twenty five
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or four. I can't remember. Oh it's Caveat, you know. Yeah,
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that word, that word, and I'm probably not going to
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say it right so whatever. Yeah, Actually we had talked
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about it recently. I just watched Oddity right before we
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went and saw this because it was on the last
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drive in special with Joe Bob Sinswena. Thought that show
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has been canceled, but we have a couple more specials.
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So I was really excited going in to see this
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because I don't think I knew that I didn't know,
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And let me tell you, I loved this movie. It's
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layered horror. Like on the surface it is Irish folk
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or horror, but underneath it it's also like a murder mystery,
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and it's a story about trauma and guilt. And I
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can see how some people might write it off as
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like something we've kind of seen before, but I really disagree.
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There is a level of detail and thematic payoff here
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that really separates it from other films that I've seen.
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Like honestly, like, I know, did you like The Innkeepers?
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Because I didn't really like The Keeper.
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I still have to see The Innkeepers.
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Yeah, Okay, I won't talk about it too much, but
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this did what that movie probably wish is it did.
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I thought this was so much more interesting.
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Yeah, no, I think you're dead on the money.
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Uh. This is a movie that I think is just
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one of the most multi layered that we had in
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a while in terms of the horror movie genre. You know,
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it's it's got so much going on, not just beneath
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the surface, but on the surface, you know, because it
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really does switch from certain you know, subject honors or
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certain even you know, entirely different genres of storytelling that
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you maybe weren't expecting going in. You know, and I
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think obviously that's a little bit of the fault of
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the marketing. You know, marketing will have to lean on
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something to sell a movie, and you know, leaning on
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this being super super scary makes sense because Oddity, I
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feel was super.
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Super scary to me.
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Yeah, I think this was scary.
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I know, and I think there's definitely scary parts, but
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like on the whole, I wouldn't necessarily if I was,
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you know, selling this as somebody, I wouldn't necessarily say
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you're gonna be so scared out of your mind, I'm
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gonna be say. I'm gonna say to them instead like
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you're gonna be really engaged the entire time, never board
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like it's something new around every corner, and just prepare
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yourself for you know, a ride, you know sort of thing.
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Yeah, the movie looks incredible. Yeah, the cinematography and the
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sound design are fantastic. The score is very unsettling. Is
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is it the same cinematographer from Oddity?
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A good question.
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It's because it felt Hogan, It felt very similar the darkness,
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and we.
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Certainly you know the director's stuff, but yeah, he did
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do the cinematographer.
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As well, So it's cool.
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It feels like a team that knows what they're doing,
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Like that's work together. What I liked about it is
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like you can feel and smell this hotel or whatever
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it is, Like every room feels damp and old and
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haunted and lived in and there's constantly stuff happening in
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the background, which is why you're saying, like, I could
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see how people would be like, oh, this might be
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a slow burn, but that you know, people don't. I
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hate to say it, but people don't watch films like
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we kind of do because I'm constantly looking in the background.
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And You're right, I never felt bored because the film
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is just layering information and symbolism and tension. And what
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it does right is everything pays off and makes sense.
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Instead of just throwing these lines out here at this
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or that and then we never visit it again. Everything
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kind of comes full circle. And circles are a very
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big theme of this movie.
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much as I enjoy and I've talked about it on
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the show before, in other places, I enjoy a formula
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when it comes to horror films. This is a movie
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that is very non formulaic, you know, it's it's not
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conforming to any sort of what we've seen before in
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terms of it's not a slasher, it's not a murder
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mystery by itself, it's not you know, a surrealist you know,
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descent into madness or something. It does its own thing
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in a way that I think that's kind of where
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we're coming from in terms of saying how unique it is,
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because going into this movie, I did not expect where
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it starts. I did not expect where it ends, and
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I did not expect where it goes in the middle.
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You know, it's really this thing of like I wouldn't
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have I wasn't sitting there with my critic brain on
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going oh, okay, I know what the next scene or
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scenes will be, or oh I know what that's a
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setup for that's going to pay off later, which you
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know isn't necessarily in and of itself a bad thing.
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If I can quote unquote predict a movie. I know
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that people love to say, oh it's so predictable. That's
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never automatically a bad thing, I would say, but I
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think this is definitely an exception that proves the rule
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in terms of like you can be really predictable, and
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it can still be so satisfying.
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This is one of the movies that I've been kind
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of doing this recently, where I'll watch the trailer and
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I'll turn the trailer off after a couple just a
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few scenes, because I'm like, if I'm already in, oh, yeah,
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because I don't want to see anything else. Because once
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I saw that.
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Like Donny donkey, the fuck that thing.
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Was, I turned it off and I was like, oh,
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this feels like jaharr It has like these elements, these
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visuals just from the trailer, and I was like, I
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don't want to see anymore. And I'm really glad I
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did that, because this is not a jahrror movie, as
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crazy as that host looks. And we'll get into what
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all that was later, but yeah, there's little things that
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you do in your movie that really really gets me excited,
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and sound editing is one of them. And that really
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stood out to me because there's always like bells ringing
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and creaking floors and distant voices like the dumb waiter scene.
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The audio carries so much dread. I cannot wait to
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watch this at home with my surround sound system to
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like really pick up on everything. That was going going
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on because, like you, hear whispering and I just thought
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that that was so cool.
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Oh yeah, big time. Do we want to get into
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the plot real quick?
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Okay? The plot. When novelist Own Balman retreats to a
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remote and to scatter his parents' ashes, he's consumed by
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tales of a witch that haunt the honeymoon sweet Soon,
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disturbing visions and a shocking disappearance forced him to confront
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dark corners of his past. Yeah, let's talk about honestly,
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Adam Scott is so good. He's always good. I like
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him and pretty much everything he's in. And he plays.
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So he plays the character Om Bowman, which that name stop,
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who travels to Ireland, like I said, to scatter his
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parents' ashes beneath this tree, and honestly almost kind of
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an asshole, like I hate to say. He's rude to
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almost everyone he meets. He lashes out constantly, he belittles people,
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he drinks too much. He carries this bitterness everywhere he goes.
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And I was like me, I just saw a lot
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of myself and him because he's not like, he's not
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like evil, but he's just so sick of people and
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he's kind of famous. He's a writer. He doesn't people
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want people dealing with, you know, bothering him. Yeah, you know,
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and it's kind of like but the movie will slowly
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reveal why. And that's kind of what makes the character work.
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He's not a dick just to be a dick, Like,
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there are reasons for all of this.
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Yeah, Now, there's a lot of subversion in McCarthy's script,
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in the structure of the movie in a way that
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feels honest and not so pointed towards like a big twist,
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you know sort of thing. There are certainly twists in
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this movie, there's no question. But I don't I would
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never describe this in the same way that I would
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describe even like seven or you know, Angel Hart, or
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like a movie that's based around Agatcha or m Night
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Shyamalan movie, you know, something like that. It's more of
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an unfolding mystery that sort of you know, keeps revealing
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more about itself as as it continues, because there's not
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just one major twist. It's like it's just all these
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different revelations and reveals that you know, you guessing and
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keep you excited and you know, Scott's character and both
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his performance as Ohm, but also just what Ohm's got
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going on, you know, really from the opening scenes, like
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this movie opens with a scene in the desert of
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these conquista door and his you know, ward or whatever,
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and you're like, did I step into the wrong theater?
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What's going on here?
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I said the same thing to Ken. I was like,
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are we in the room movie?
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Yeah?
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And it's like, uh oh, like oops, and I love
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you that feeling. Never remind you of.
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The Alejandro Geordandowski movie And yeah, a little like that, yeah, TOFA,
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only the kid had clothes on, So I was confusing,
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and I was like, are we at an altpo because
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I don't want to watch that again?
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Yeah? Not an al topo again.
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Yeah, And I think that, you know, it really sets
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us on the back foot as an audience of like,
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you know, I love that if it forces you to engage,
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but not in a in a nasty and takenistic way.
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You know, it's more of a hey, come come hither, like,
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you know, pay attention because I've got something else cooking
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here sort of idea And just a back to what
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you wanted to mention about Adam Scott, which is like
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he is not typically thought of as, you know, a
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horror He's not. He's not thought of as a scream king,
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but I feel like he's quickly earning that status a
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little bit because, like everybody has to talk about the
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fact that, like one of his earliest roles on screen
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was hell ras or Bloodline.
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So it's great that he's in there.
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But I've seen I've seen a lot of people in
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talking about Hocumb, like bring that up in interviews and everything,
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which is cute, you know, because it is one of
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his first jobs.
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And like the audition again being like, remember.
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I think Hellrazer, I don't know if it was Seeker
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or Debt or whatever, but like he was like, yeah,
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maybe the don't ree and then it turns out like they
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kind of did. But uh, there's also the fact that
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he was in Crampus, you know, which I feel like
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people don't bring up about and we talk about, yeah
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we do, I mean, but like people you know, talking
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on the Hokum press cycle weirdly haven't brought that up
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too much. And it's funny because I feel like, of
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the two, Hocumb is a little closer to Crampus than
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heill isser Blas line because of you know, certain things
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evolving the Witch and you know, stylistic and costume design
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elements that'll that'll crop up towards the end. So yeah,
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I think that, and I love what you said too
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ash about you know, this is a performance from Scott
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where like he's just so unafraid to be a dick
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in a really what felt like insidious way as opposed
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to like an outward like you know, oh, he's just
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like being mean to everybody's sort of way. Like he
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was really subtle about it, which is fun.
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Yeah, until he wasn't, So let's get into that. At
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the end, All meets Fiona, she's the bartender, and she
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immediately like tries to help him, and he's rude to her,
486
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but she kind of claps back at him and pus
487
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and doesn't let him steamroller. And then there's this bell
488
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hop Andy Aldi Albi alb Sorry. He recognizes all and
489
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he likes his work, and he goes up to him
490
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and is just like, oh, you know, he does the
491
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one thing that you're not supposed to do. Oh, I
492
00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:58.400
have a script or a thing. Can you read it
493
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and tell me what you think? And yeah, humiliates him
494
00:23:01.119 --> 00:23:04.079
so badly, and then that burns his hand with a
495
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hot spoon, which is genuinely uncomfortable to watch. And I
496
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wouldn't believe he did it. I thought it was going
497
00:23:08.799 --> 00:23:11.400
to be like he was imagining doing it in his head.
498
00:23:11.839 --> 00:23:14.200
But no, well, this kid is like saying all this shit.
499
00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:17.599
He just burns this spoon and is like and it
500
00:23:17.680 --> 00:23:21.039
really establishes how toxic om is before the film starts
501
00:23:21.039 --> 00:23:25.240
peeling back the layers. It's just good storytelling.
502
00:23:24.880 --> 00:23:26.960
It is, And I think that I think that's what
503
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I meant by subtle, in the sense that no, it's
504
00:23:28.599 --> 00:23:31.160
not subtle that he's burning his hand with the spoon.
505
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But I mean what I'm trying to say is I
506
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feel like there's a lot of It's not broad, I guess,
507
00:23:34.880 --> 00:23:36.640
is what I'm trying to say, because yeah, the broad
508
00:23:36.720 --> 00:23:39.400
version of Ohm the Dick would be like, you know,
509
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rage filled yelling at every single person and throwing things
510
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and whatever.
511
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Like he's just.
512
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More like he's disgusted with everybody too.
513
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With his I agree.
514
00:23:48.200 --> 00:23:52.400
Yeah, Well of the bit where he's talking to the
515
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clerk and you know, the clerk is like, hey, maybe
516
00:23:54.519 --> 00:23:56.480
a autograph is in order and he's like, no.
517
00:23:57.319 --> 00:24:01.039
Yeah, everybody's real not keeping it chill around him, and
518
00:24:01.839 --> 00:24:03.720
it is funny because he is just not there for
519
00:24:03.799 --> 00:24:05.960
it and he's there just to, you know, to do
520
00:24:06.039 --> 00:24:09.279
something that sucks. You know, it's sad and it sucks
521
00:24:09.279 --> 00:24:14.519
and we find out why later. Let's talk about So
522
00:24:14.559 --> 00:24:18.160
we meet a character, Jerry, who is probably my favorite.
523
00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:21.240
Did Jerry never mind you of Jerry from Twin Peace Horn?
524
00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:23.039
Yeah? Yeah.
525
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So he meets Terry while he's trying to bury the
526
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ashes beneath the tree, and it's very important note that
527
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Jerry is drinking what he calls mushroom milk, which is
528
00:24:31.640 --> 00:24:35.839
psilocybin tea, which becomes very important because the movie suggests,
529
00:24:35.839 --> 00:24:37.920
and I love this, I love this so much, that
530
00:24:38.279 --> 00:24:42.319
psychedelics open up people's spirituality and allow them to perceive
531
00:24:42.400 --> 00:24:45.359
the ghosts, that the ghosts and spirits are always kind
532
00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:47.599
of around us. And we do see that through the film,
533
00:24:49.039 --> 00:24:52.519
but without opening your mind a little bit, you know,
534
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you can't see them. Because Jerry says he sees ghosts,
535
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and you know, he's Fiona has disappeared, so he's saying
536
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that he sees Fiona's ghost, and she's like communicating with him,
537
00:25:02.960 --> 00:25:05.799
but you don't believe Jerry because he's all like mushroomed out.
538
00:25:05.839 --> 00:25:09.000
And he also is carrying Fiona's folklore book that she
539
00:25:09.039 --> 00:25:11.920
shows Tom earlier, explaining, you know, all of the film's
540
00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:16.720
supernatural rules, which is weird to me because I, being
541
00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:21.359
into folklort have never like it's a circle of salt,
542
00:25:21.799 --> 00:25:24.079
the circle of chalk that was. That's a little new
543
00:25:24.119 --> 00:25:26.440
to me, and I think it's interesting that it works,
544
00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:28.000
but it doesn't work. And I thought that that was
545
00:25:28.039 --> 00:25:31.720
a really interesting kind of way to do it because
546
00:25:31.880 --> 00:25:33.559
I've never heard of that, so I'd have to look
547
00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:35.640
into that more to be like, where did that come from?
548
00:25:36.039 --> 00:25:38.799
Yeah, well, even in something like recent like Bring Her Back,
549
00:25:38.839 --> 00:25:40.119
it was salt, right.
550
00:25:40.119 --> 00:25:44.039
It's always salt. Yeah, and even though it'so hocus pocus, yeah, yeah, yeah,
551
00:25:44.119 --> 00:25:45.559
you have to put salt around your house, to put
552
00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:47.079
so on around the doors, to puts it around the stop.
553
00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:47.319
Yeah.
554
00:25:47.319 --> 00:25:49.519
I don't know if this is if this is McCarthy's
555
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sort of just you know, variation on a theme, you know, intentional,
556
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or if it's there's another you know.
557
00:25:54.599 --> 00:25:56.480
What was the one with Kate Hudson because she draws
558
00:25:56.480 --> 00:25:59.480
a sort of Skelt the skeleton Kiski, and that is chalk,
559
00:25:59.559 --> 00:26:03.200
but there is symbols, so like a circle with the symbols, also,
560
00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:05.799
creating a sigil is different.
561
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Than just just a circle.
562
00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:09.759
And that's why I really appreciate it. In this movie,
563
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we see it work, but then later we see that
564
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that shit does not work.
565
00:26:12.519 --> 00:26:15.119
Yeah, well yeah, I'll talk about this more when we
566
00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:17.599
get into spoilers, but I will say that I think
567
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one of the most delightful elements of the movie, and
568
00:26:20.119 --> 00:26:25.079
again one that's relatively subtle compared to other movies that
569
00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:28.160
like to work in this vein, is its ambiguity, is
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its multiple interpretations of what is going on and what's
571
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real and what's not. And I think one of the
572
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coolest things about the movie is that the title is
573
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there for a reason. I think that when you're watching
574
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it for the first time, you might think, why the
575
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hell is this called hokum? You know, just because he
576
00:26:44.359 --> 00:26:46.440
says it once at the bar scene, you know, sort
577
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of thing which feels almost awkwardly inserted, where it's like
578
00:26:50.319 --> 00:26:52.599
even a writer like himself doesn't feel like he would
579
00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:54.559
naturally say the word hokum a lot, you know, sort
580
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of thing. But I think the reason for it is
581
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that you know, it's drawing our atta as in the
582
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audience's attention to the possibilities of like you were just saying, like,
583
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you know, open your opening your mind and maybe this
584
00:27:09.519 --> 00:27:11.920
is happening for real, Maybe it's not. Maybe it's both,
585
00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:14.680
maybe it's neither sort of idea and you know, just
586
00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:16.480
the element that you just talked about ash of like
587
00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:19.319
this you know, moonshine or this milk or whatever, you
588
00:27:19.359 --> 00:27:21.400
know what psychedelics in it will open your mind to
589
00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:24.079
the spirits. It's like, yeah, so either it opens your
590
00:27:24.079 --> 00:27:27.000
mind to the spirits or it's making you see shit
591
00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:27.960
because you're drinking movie.
592
00:27:28.160 --> 00:27:29.680
You know, it's drinking moonshine.
593
00:27:29.799 --> 00:27:32.920
And I love that the sort of gossamer thin line
594
00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:36.039
of credibility that that has of like you know, it
595
00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:39.000
is up to you whether you're you know, thinking it's
596
00:27:39.079 --> 00:27:41.319
one way or the other or it's you know, sometwhere
597
00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:41.799
in the middle.
598
00:27:42.039 --> 00:27:44.720
And of course it's Halloween. Oh it always is happening,
599
00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:48.359
which in Ireland is the veil, like the veils being open.
600
00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:50.720
It's a really big thing. And you know, out of
601
00:27:50.839 --> 00:27:53.640
kind of I feel like nowhere we jumped to So
602
00:27:53.799 --> 00:27:59.519
Fiona is like, oh, we found ALM's wallet at the bar, right,
603
00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:03.200
so yeah, I think right, Oh was it the tape
604
00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:05.799
recorder or something. Yeah, something was at the bar. So
605
00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:07.559
she's like, we got to take it upstairs. I have
606
00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:10.559
a really bad feeling about this, and Ali's like, I'm
607
00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:12.160
not opening that door, and she's like, oh my god,
608
00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:14.240
damn door. They open the door and we see that
609
00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:18.000
am has hung himself in this, in this and in
610
00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:22.039
they they get him, they cut him down. So now
611
00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:23.960
they have this trauma that they have to deal with,
612
00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:28.160
you know, of stopping somebody from commuting committing suicide. He
613
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wakes up in a hospital. I don't know how much
614
00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:33.519
longer it's been. It seems like it's been a little
615
00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:36.039
bit because now we're at the closing of the season
616
00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:39.960
of the hotel, which is confusing to me, Like usually
617
00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:43.279
seasonal hotels close at the end of the summer season,
618
00:28:43.759 --> 00:28:46.039
but this was opened through Halloween, so maybe their end
619
00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:48.359
of season is Halloween. But you would think if a
620
00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:50.440
place was open through Halloween, you would be open for Christmas.
621
00:28:50.480 --> 00:28:52.000
You'd probably make a lot more money. So I'm not
622
00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:53.000
really sure.
623
00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:56.960
When yeah, and I think that's deliberate I think everything
624
00:28:57.920 --> 00:29:01.839
past the point of discovering Ohm's body is up for grabs.
625
00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:04.839
That's one way you can look at this film because
626
00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:08.160
the first thing that we see after his bodies found
627
00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:10.559
and by the way, we see them struggling to cut
628
00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:13.200
him down, and we don't see them in the hospital.
629
00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:15.279
We don't see him breathing, you know, for the first
630
00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:17.599
time again. We just see him wake up, and it's like,
631
00:29:17.720 --> 00:29:19.759
what happened in between that period? All we see is
632
00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:22.319
a vision that he has. Yeah did he have?
633
00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:26.000
I don't even think he had, So it's.
634
00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:29.279
Been some time or has it? Like, you know, where
635
00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:31.440
could he be? Where could the rest of this be
636
00:29:31.480 --> 00:29:33.880
taking place? It's it's up for grabs. I like to
637
00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:36.160
believe that it's all on the level, but I think
638
00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:38.079
if you wanted to have that interpretation for this film,
639
00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:38.440
you could.
640
00:29:39.559 --> 00:29:45.359
So we had we met this character earlier, fergl uh
641
00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:50.519
yeah yeah, errgle and Fergel is shooting the goats that
642
00:29:50.599 --> 00:29:53.359
jump up on people's cars and Mom is like, why
643
00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:55.920
don't you just show them away or do something about that?
644
00:29:56.039 --> 00:29:59.559
And is this really uncomfortable exchange between them? We later
645
00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:01.160
find out, but the reasons that the goats are doing
646
00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:03.359
this is because they're also all fucked up and tripping
647
00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:05.480
their balls off, and they just want to see shiny
648
00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:08.240
surfaces because they like looking at their own reflections, and
649
00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:12.440
goats become Everything means something in this movie, and that's
650
00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:14.519
really that turns me out when it comes to movies,
651
00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:18.160
like everything makes sense. So after the suicide, you know,
652
00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:20.440
he survives, he returns to the inn to get his stuff,
653
00:30:20.440 --> 00:30:23.599
and he discovers that Fiona has disappeared the night of
654
00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:26.559
the Halloween party. She was dressed as a rabbit, and
655
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:30.200
the rabbit is definitely a reoccurring creepy moto feudalized by
656
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:33.519
director Damian McCarthy in this film and throughout his other
657
00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:37.799
films like The Rabbit, the little Caveat rabbit is there,
658
00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:40.680
and then caveat has the rabbit in there, so then
659
00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:42.880
she is dressed like that dirty little rabbit, which I
660
00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:45.680
thought was really fun. So yeah, like we said, the
661
00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:48.119
end was shutting down for the season, and the Virgo
662
00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:50.559
is the owner's son. He's trying to close everything while
663
00:30:50.599 --> 00:30:56.559
acting super suspiciously unconcerned about Fiona' vanishing. So Am is like,
664
00:30:56.599 --> 00:30:58.599
well what happened, and Virgo's like, you know, it was
665
00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:01.559
crazy Darry he definit probably killed her because he mercy
666
00:31:01.640 --> 00:31:04.039
killed his dying wife and was like cool about that. Yeah,
667
00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:08.119
but the film constantly keeps you unsure of who to trust. Yeah,
668
00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:10.119
And I really really like that, right because even the
669
00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:12.359
reveal of like, hey, so Jerry killed his wife, and
670
00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:14.839
then when Om confronts Jerry about it, Jerry's like, yeah,
671
00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:16.279
I did that, Yeah, I did that.
672
00:31:16.359 --> 00:31:18.319
Shit she asked me to write. And it's like he
673
00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:21.680
has a perfectly legitimate explanation for it. But even that,
674
00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:24.039
you're still as an audience member like, I don't know,
675
00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:26.240
should we trust this person, you know sort of thing,
676
00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:31.119
because yeah, it's and it's it's cool to have a
677
00:31:31.160 --> 00:31:36.440
story like this where everybody, including our protagonist, is untrustworthy
678
00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:40.559
in a way that feels still satisfying and not frustrating
679
00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:42.440
and not you know, oh God, Like you know, there's
680
00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:44.680
nobody I can anchor myself to sort of thing which
681
00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:46.960
can happen with bad writing, and this is not.
682
00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:48.359
This is not badly written at all.
683
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:50.359
So I'm kind of decides like I'm going to look
684
00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:53.319
into this a little bit and I'm gonna like poke
685
00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:55.359
around and see what I can find. And then there's
686
00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:59.160
there's this story about the Honeymoon Sweet going like the
687
00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:03.319
Honeymoon Sweet is the central horror location. It is abandoned,
688
00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:05.599
it is supposedly haunted by a witch which kind of
689
00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:07.680
comes out of nowhere, and nobody has access to that
690
00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:09.920
but Cob the owner who we met earlier, who is
691
00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:12.079
like this creepy little old man. But I do love
692
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:14.400
how he claps back at like AM's kind of being
693
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:16.880
shitty to him for like scaring kids, and he's like,
694
00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:18.240
you're going to talk to me that way in my
695
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:21.480
own hotel, And then that was kind of it.
696
00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:23.640
Well, yeah, I love Ohms on this like you know,
697
00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:26.559
pseudo woke war path. As soon as he shows up
698
00:32:26.559 --> 00:32:28.759
at the hotel, he's like, why aren't you like shoeing
699
00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:31.039
the goats away man, Like it's that that's a civilized
700
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:32.920
thing to do. Why are you telling these kids about
701
00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:33.319
a witch?
702
00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:33.559
Man?
703
00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:35.559
Like those are your kids, you know sort of thing.
704
00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:39.279
He's like a you know in real life Twitter users.
705
00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:41.319
It's very it's very interesting.
706
00:32:41.480 --> 00:32:45.680
Yeah, but there is this motive of like the Honeymoon Suite,
707
00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:48.440
like the bell goes off whenever there's like ghost presence
708
00:32:48.440 --> 00:32:50.720
and nobody's in there, so the bell should never go off. Well,
709
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:54.519
that bell'll be going off. Getting in there is hard
710
00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:57.079
because he has to go steal the key from somewhere
711
00:32:57.240 --> 00:32:57.880
I can't really.
712
00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:00.480
Remember well, because the owner typically keeps the key on
713
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:02.519
his person at all times, or at least uh maybe
714
00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:06.279
a Fergil does or something like that. But Jerry has
715
00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:10.960
figured out like how to steal it somehow from or
716
00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:13.000
maybe it's in some sort of thing in Fergle's office.
717
00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:13.920
I forget that element.
718
00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:15.920
Yeah, I just remember the heart.
719
00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:17.799
The heart. The heart is attached to it.
720
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:19.400
Yeah, it is attached to the key because it's the
721
00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:21.119
Honeymoon Sweet and the Heart, you know all that.
722
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:24.680
So mom enters the Honeymoon Sweet and the movie. This
723
00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:26.519
is where we have a shift in the film. Now
724
00:33:26.599 --> 00:33:29.240
we are in full and nightmare horror. The room itself
725
00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:34.039
is disgusting. It just really bothers me that he sleeps
726
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:35.799
on that bed. It bothered me the whole time. There's
727
00:33:36.039 --> 00:33:40.400
ancient drapery around the bed. There's this tub of stagnant,
728
00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:42.759
gross ass water, which kind of reminded me of that
729
00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:44.960
round thing in House and Haunted Hill that they are
730
00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:48.720
definitely falls and falls in this There's just rot everywhere
731
00:33:48.759 --> 00:33:52.799
and there's like circular imagery in there, the bed circle,
732
00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:56.480
like isn't the tub is circle or there's just a
733
00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:59.559
lot of that going on, like that filthy bathtub. But
734
00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:05.200
you know, he uh discovers Fiona's corpse inside the dumb waiter,
735
00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:08.679
still in her costume, and she looks terrifying, and then
736
00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:11.559
he finds on her his recorder. And that's another creepy
737
00:34:11.599 --> 00:34:14.119
aspect of it, is she starts she's like stuck in there,
738
00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:19.400
obviously alone, making these recordings about what's happening to her
739
00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:21.039
while she's in there, and we hear that the dumbwaiter
740
00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:22.880
only goes down and never comes.
741
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:25.480
Yeah, if you're in the dumb waiter and you go down,
742
00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:28.239
you can't get back up from downstairs because there's no
743
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:31.920
way to call it from downstairs. You have to have
744
00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:34.000
someone upstairs or something upstairs to bring.
745
00:34:33.800 --> 00:34:34.239
It back up.
746
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:36.719
That naggles the little thing.
747
00:34:38.199 --> 00:34:40.719
Sheriff who hits the bell on the clock. Yeah.
748
00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:43.719
Something I heard really interesting about that is they made
749
00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:47.159
like my face sized sculpture of that for the close
750
00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:49.639
up shots to make it really creepy and really cool,
751
00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:51.840
because I was like, damn, that thing and its face
752
00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:54.800
does change. I really I saw this face changing. It
753
00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:56.840
changes twice, and I was like, Okay, I know, I'm
754
00:34:56.840 --> 00:35:00.519
not crazy that thing's face change. Yeah, so he that
755
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:02.360
so he can go down. Because we hear her recordings
756
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:05.119
though she was making while she was stuck. The creepiest one,
757
00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:07.519
the last one. She's like, I think there's something down
758
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:10.639
here right right, and then guess what it is? A
759
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:11.239
fucking witch.
760
00:35:11.320 --> 00:35:11.639
Yeah.
761
00:35:11.719 --> 00:35:14.800
Yeah, Well, I think this whole section of the film, uh,
762
00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:20.679
you know, is really a great example of the way
763
00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:24.800
a cinematic translation of either a survival horror game or
764
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:27.840
an escape room, you know, like both of those elements
765
00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:30.320
really come through in a strong way here of you know,
766
00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:33.239
Ohm having to sort of put the pieces together, figure
767
00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:35.280
out how he can do this thing to get to
768
00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:37.480
this next thing together because he's you know, trapped in
769
00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:41.719
this space, and it's a mixture of like both being
770
00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:44.559
trapped and also still not having solved you know, the
771
00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:46.679
mystery and wanting to figure out not just how to
772
00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:48.719
get himself out of there, but like what happened and
773
00:35:48.760 --> 00:35:53.320
you know, what's going on sort of thing, and yeah,
774
00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:57.039
like it's it's not your typical because we've had a
775
00:35:57.039 --> 00:35:59.239
lot of horror movies of like somebody you know, stuck
776
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:02.280
in one location. You know, either they're struggling to get
777
00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:04.800
out or they're struggling with like their inner demons or both.
778
00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:07.800
And you know that kind of happens here. But I
779
00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:12.519
really appreciated how I guess gamified, you know, this element
780
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:14.400
was you know in the sense that like it really
781
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:17.599
did have like a progression, it did have a logic
782
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:19.760
to it, you know, just the figuring out of having
783
00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:21.760
the the you know, getting the guy to hit the
784
00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:24.440
bell at the right time, and like the frustration of like,
785
00:36:24.559 --> 00:36:27.159
you know, is it what he's trying to come back
786
00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:29.119
up or something, and it's like it's not doing it yet,
787
00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:31.000
it's kind of getting stuck or something. And it's like,
788
00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:33.000
you know, it's it's a great suspense moment, you know,
789
00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:33.559
it really is.
790
00:36:33.880 --> 00:36:36.679
And like it's also he was talking to fergl about
791
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:39.199
like why hasn't anyone looked for her? Did you check
792
00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:42.079
the honeymoon sweet And the guy's like, listen, I all
793
00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:43.840
of my family are cops. Like you think we're not
794
00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:45.719
looking into it. Of course we're looking into it, which
795
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:47.679
I thought was just an also interesting little line to
796
00:36:47.719 --> 00:36:49.960
put in there, like looking He's like that's been locked
797
00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:54.159
up for years, blah blah blah. But yeah, it is,
798
00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:56.320
it's just a it's a it's an interesting twist. So
799
00:36:56.400 --> 00:36:59.920
he falls asleep in that disgusting aspect because he's been drinking.
800
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:02.639
I guess to throw that in there. And that's where
801
00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:09.239
we get this like dream sequence of this TV show,
802
00:37:11.199 --> 00:37:13.800
And that's kind of where we find out what's really
803
00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:17.920
going on, because a child has written into this creepy
804
00:37:18.079 --> 00:37:22.159
Donkey TV show looking guy and is pretty much just like,
805
00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:26.760
you know, saying what that he you know, Through the
806
00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:28.800
device of the host reading the letter that the kid wrote,
807
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:31.119
we find out that Olm killed his mother by accident
808
00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:33.000
as a kid, by shooting her in the face with.
809
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:34.920
A gun, right because earlier he told someone that his
810
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:37.519
mother was killed during a burglary or something where you
811
00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:38.679
know she was shot, you know.
812
00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:41.159
Yeah. And Jack Rabbit, yeah.
813
00:37:41.119 --> 00:37:45.360
Is not sympathetic. I think he's supposed to be a
814
00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:45.920
rabbit too.
815
00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:48.800
I keep hearing Donkey, that's what that's what everyone keeps saying.
816
00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:52.800
I don't know, or Jackass. I think jackass. That's why
817
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:54.119
he's called jack right, Okay.
818
00:37:54.559 --> 00:37:57.760
I just feel like he loves McCarthy, loves rabbits. So much,
819
00:37:57.760 --> 00:37:58.159
it wouldn't.
820
00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:00.559
I mean it's close, like it's say, a donkey and
821
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:02.920
rabbit are not like super different from each other, but yeah,
822
00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:04.840
and a jack rabbit jack rabbit.
823
00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:05.800
Yeah. Yeah.
824
00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:07.480
So we see a little elm playing with the gun
825
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:09.639
and I thought the scene was done because his mom
826
00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:12.840
comes out of frame and it's very confusing as to
827
00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:14.800
what happened, and she's hugging him, and then we find
828
00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:17.960
out that her spirit's kind of been following him around
829
00:38:18.039 --> 00:38:20.159
and he hasn't been able to see her. We kind
830
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:23.760
of do, but that you know, there's the scene in
831
00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:25.880
the beginning where he opens the box and the gun
832
00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:28.559
still in it, so he still has the gun that
833
00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:31.000
he killed her with. But then he puts their ashes
834
00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:33.800
in that gun box to bring to Ireland to spread
835
00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:36.719
their ashes. So I'm talking like layers, layers, layers, and
836
00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:38.039
like we're still not done with the story.
837
00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:41.079
No, And I think that one of the coolest elements
838
00:38:41.079 --> 00:38:43.400
of the movie is the fact that the mom's ghost
839
00:38:44.599 --> 00:38:50.719
who who's the actress that Malory Adams. She is responsible
840
00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:53.800
for several of the movie's best job scares, But the
841
00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:56.519
irony is that she's not the antagonist. She's not you know,
842
00:38:56.559 --> 00:38:58.880
an evil spirit who's off to get him. Like, it's
843
00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:02.320
more just the gal of what he was responsible for,
844
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:06.760
chasing him literally and figuratively. And I think that, yeah,
845
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:10.599
imbewing a character, you know, with that emotional power is
846
00:39:10.639 --> 00:39:12.880
really cool. And I think it's the closest thing probably
847
00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:15.440
to a Jay Horror element that you were, you know,
848
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:17.960
alluding to earlier Ash, which is that so much of
849
00:39:18.039 --> 00:39:20.360
j horror is not just about, oh, this evil thing's
850
00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:21.840
out to get me. It's more about, like, you know,
851
00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:24.320
when you're talking about the grudge, even the ring, you know,
852
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:27.000
it's it's somewhat about a thing out to get you,
853
00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:29.679
and it's also somewhat about this awful thing that happened
854
00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:32.719
tragically in the past that like we can't escape.
855
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:35.480
Yeah, And there is this throwaway line that you're not
856
00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:38.599
really paying attention to when he's talking to Fiona and
857
00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:41.039
you know, he's she's like, he says that he's there
858
00:39:41.079 --> 00:39:44.599
for the Ashes, and he says his mother was murdered, right, yeah,
859
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:46.800
and she's like, damn what happened? And he said the
860
00:39:46.840 --> 00:39:48.920
person was too young to prosecute, and then we just
861
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:50.920
move on from there. And I didn't even Yeah, I
862
00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:52.000
didn't even put it together.
863
00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:55.719
Yeah, because in that context, your mind is still thinking, okay,
864
00:39:55.719 --> 00:39:58.280
it was like some teenage or young mugger sort of.
865
00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:00.519
Thing, yeah or yeah, like it could have anything.
866
00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:03.000
Yeah, But then when you realize it's him, you know.
867
00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:07.239
The witch. The Witch is really interesting to me because
868
00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:09.000
I kind of am not unsure, like I'm like, what
869
00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:12.840
are you even doing here? It looks like you know,
870
00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:15.800
she she when you get stuck down there with her,
871
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:19.079
the Witch herself, she doesn't just kill people. She shackles
872
00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:20.960
them and it's kind of drags them what feels like
873
00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:24.199
a waiting room to hell. It kind of the imagery
874
00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:26.719
is very dreamlike, it's very surreal, and it kind of
875
00:40:26.719 --> 00:40:29.119
reminded me of ghosts, but the little demons would come
876
00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:32.599
up and grab you and like drag you away. Yeah yeah,
877
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:34.119
I mean there was a full off and her book
878
00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:36.079
is what he's using to kind of help him, like
879
00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:38.480
the Circle of Chalk and Lord Off Witches, and so
880
00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:41.239
he uses it for protection. And the movie keeps it
881
00:40:41.320 --> 00:40:43.519
ambiguous whether it works, because it works kind of when
882
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:46.079
it's around the bed, but when he does it down in.
883
00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:49.440
Her if you watch, he doesn't finish it in time.
884
00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:50.719
He doesn't finish that circle.
885
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:54.639
Yeah, in the the base because she just walks right.
886
00:40:54.760 --> 00:40:57.239
Yeah, yeah, I know it's because he doesn't close the circle.
887
00:40:57.480 --> 00:41:00.559
And yeah, you can see that. I watch it twice.
888
00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:03.320
But yeah, it's it's something there.
889
00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:03.679
I think.
890
00:41:03.679 --> 00:41:05.360
What's cool is just to your point what you were
891
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:08.519
saying about the Witch's you know, plan or game or whatever.
892
00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:10.719
You know, Cobb has his story earlier in the film
893
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:13.280
when he's telling the kids of like the folklore or
894
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:16.599
the tale of this witch, and yeah, it's it's interesting
895
00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:20.440
where the witch isn't operating as like let's say, you
896
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:23.960
know American style witch or you know a witch in
897
00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:25.760
Robert Riggers is the witch where it's like it's all
898
00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:29.599
about killing the babies to you know, help her broom
899
00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:33.239
or whatever. It's more about, yeah, taking her victims and
900
00:41:33.280 --> 00:41:36.400
like leading them on a tour through hell with these shackles,
901
00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:38.719
where like the demons that are on either side of
902
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:41.079
them as they go through these different underworld rooms can
903
00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:43.320
like you know, reach out and grab them and reach
904
00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:44.800
out and take a piece and take a piece here
905
00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:47.840
and take a piece there, which is something that yeah,
906
00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:51.320
I've I've never heard about that in another horror film
907
00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:52.880
or another piece of folklore before.
908
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:55.280
So it's a uniquely haunting.
909
00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:58.639
Brick like brick dust like there's a lot of different things.
910
00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:04.199
But yeah, I'm interested to see. I want that folklore book. Yeah,
911
00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:07.760
I love Irish folklore, like, so it would be really cool. Yeah,
912
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:10.320
I love that him and Jared, like when he confronts Jerry,
913
00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:14.320
Jerry's like, listen, I see the ghosts. Fiona's talking to me.
914
00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:17.000
She told me, you know what's going on. She's in
915
00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:20.079
the honeymoon suite, like, prove me wrong. So let's go.
916
00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:22.599
So they they that's when they decide to go back
917
00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:25.400
to the honeymoon suite, right or is it? I feel
918
00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:27.159
like they go in and out of there once or twice?
919
00:42:27.559 --> 00:42:30.079
Uh well, Ohm doesn't, but yeah, the other people do
920
00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:30.679
for sure.
921
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:34.760
Because Jerry gets caught right away by Ergal. Yeah.
922
00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:37.199
Yeah, because Jerry is struggling to like get back, because
923
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:39.679
there's a whole side plot with Jerry being you know.
924
00:42:39.639 --> 00:42:40.920
Trying Jerry stole the key.
925
00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:43.480
Jerry stole the yah, yeah Jerry. Yeah.
926
00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:45.519
But also like there's a whole sublet of him being
927
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:48.119
like taken by uh the guy, you know, to the
928
00:42:48.119 --> 00:42:49.760
police station. But he jumps out of the truck and
929
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:54.280
all this sort of stuff. Yeah, yeah, Jerry has a
930
00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:57.719
hard time of it. But yes, McCarthy is like constantly,
931
00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:01.960
you know, putting up these you know, new suspense sequences
932
00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:04.639
one after another that are different from each other. It's
933
00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:06.960
not the same note being hit over and over and
934
00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:09.679
over again. It's you know, this idea of like, is
935
00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:11.760
Jerry going to discover that, Ohme's still up there and
936
00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:14.199
he's still alive? You know, is this person going to
937
00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:16.360
get away with the murder? You know, is oh, I'm
938
00:43:16.360 --> 00:43:17.599
going to find a way out? You know, all this
939
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:20.679
stuff that's kind of currently happening, which all feels different
940
00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:23.480
enough from each other, but it still keeps the suspense high.
941
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:26.920
Yeah, there's this frustrating scene where almost trying to ring
942
00:43:26.960 --> 00:43:28.920
the bell to let Jerry know that he's in the
943
00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:31.119
honeymoon suite, and there's this back and forth. He breaks
944
00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:34.519
the bell, Jerry doesn't initially hear the bell, and Jerry leaves,
945
00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:37.880
but then he comes back and you're like, oh my god,
946
00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:40.920
and suddenly he does hear the bell, and unfortunately that
947
00:43:41.320 --> 00:43:44.800
directly leads to his death. Yeah, it's pretty sad, but
948
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:46.599
I will say like that's one of the things where
949
00:43:46.639 --> 00:43:50.039
everything in the script kind of pays off, like, yeah,
950
00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:53.519
it's sad that you know Fergus Virgo kills him, right
951
00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:56.920
or something. All no, well's the one who kills him
952
00:43:57.599 --> 00:44:00.639
because we find out that who was having the affair
953
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:04.199
with Fiona ma is Mala was having it. So Mala
954
00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:07.360
is also the son and just like a rich person,
955
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:09.679
instead of dealing with your problems, you're having an affair.
956
00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:11.719
You get this girl pregnant. The only thing to do
957
00:44:11.800 --> 00:44:14.320
is kill her, right as usual, because she wants to
958
00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:17.320
keep it. Yeah, and again that's why, like Jerry's death sucks,
959
00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:19.760
because he is one of the genuinely kind characters of
960
00:44:19.760 --> 00:44:22.719
the film. His relationship with Allen becomes one of the
961
00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:25.559
emotional anchors of the story, especially since he's the one
962
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:28.519
who's like, no, no, no, Fiona's there and he did it,
963
00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:31.360
and yeah, they bond over their hatred of Fergal and
964
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:36.079
killing the goats around the property. Did that did that?
965
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:38.679
Jack Rabbit or Jack whatever? He kind of looked like
966
00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:40.119
Michael Jackson to me. It was freaking me out.
967
00:44:40.119 --> 00:44:41.320
Oh that's funny, that's funny.
968
00:44:41.519 --> 00:44:43.400
I love the fact that, Yeah, there's a there's a
969
00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:47.920
weird sort of nineteen fifties flavor to that character, which
970
00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:50.159
would mean because I mean you were talking earlier about
971
00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:53.320
like when does most of this take place the story?
972
00:44:54.039 --> 00:44:57.559
I forget do we see a lot of smartphones in
973
00:44:57.559 --> 00:45:03.079
this movie because I don't recall people using them too often,
974
00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:07.480
and so it's possible that this is slightly paid. Yeah,
975
00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:10.320
and there's the fact that like, yeah, there's a weird,
976
00:45:10.599 --> 00:45:14.800
you know, kind of mercurial element of what time period
977
00:45:14.840 --> 00:45:18.079
we're in. Like I kind of see the Jack you know,
978
00:45:18.199 --> 00:45:21.119
rabbit or Jack Donkey Jackass character as almost like a
979
00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:23.760
howdy duty sort of thing of like, you know, hey,
980
00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:25.760
there was used to be like this era of children's
981
00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:31.079
television where you have these shows with these weird looking hosts, you.
982
00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:33.039
Know, in front of a livestre opos of the clown
983
00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:35.280
like you know. But and I was on that show. Really,
984
00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:36.039
Oh that's funny.
985
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:40.119
Yeah, And it's it's got that vibe of like, you know,
986
00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:44.079
something that is almost kinder trauma, like of you know,
987
00:45:44.159 --> 00:45:46.039
it's supposedly for kids, but it actually is kind of
988
00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:46.760
pretty disturbing.
989
00:45:48.079 --> 00:45:48.280
Yeah.
990
00:45:48.280 --> 00:45:51.519
And I think that there's an interesting element of what
991
00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:54.039
McCarthy's doing with with period, because I know he definitely
992
00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:57.480
is writing on a laptop his story, right, Yeah.
993
00:45:57.880 --> 00:46:01.320
Yeah, so it's like does he use this or like.
994
00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:02.360
A flashlight at any point.
995
00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:04.159
You've seen it twice, Yeah, I know it.
996
00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:07.519
It's weird that I'm not remembering a distinct usage because
997
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:09.840
I feel like I am pretty bad with that these
998
00:46:09.920 --> 00:46:12.719
days in terms of just accepting, you know, cell phones
999
00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:15.400
as part of the you know, the world, right, So
1000
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:17.880
I feel like I'm not clocking it all the time.
1001
00:46:18.320 --> 00:46:20.880
There's definitely been some movies recently that have been set
1002
00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:23.400
in like, you know, the two thousands or the nineties,
1003
00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:26.079
Like My Alin Kicks was one, you know, where it
1004
00:46:26.119 --> 00:46:28.519
took me, you know, thirty minutes into that movie to realize, oh,
1005
00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:32.480
this is like twenty eleven, you know, because like like
1006
00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:34.800
the iPhone is there, but it's like not new, or
1007
00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:37.000
it is new, but like it's not the version that
1008
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:39.440
we're used to these days sort of thing. So yeah,
1009
00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:41.960
Like I don't know, I feel like there might be
1010
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:45.920
a deliberate muddling of like when Hocum takes place just
1011
00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:47.920
as a story, like, you know, I think he's kind
1012
00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:50.920
of putting it in a weird sort of space, which
1013
00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:52.480
you know is appropriate.
1014
00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:56.079
The opening conquistert story is interesting because that is the
1015
00:46:56.119 --> 00:46:59.519
story that Olm is writing, and the story of that
1016
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:02.320
is the kunk Keystador finds in the desert and a
1017
00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:05.719
serious bottle inside a ritual circle in the sand, and
1018
00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:09.280
he has a map leading towards treasure, but he has
1019
00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:11.320
no tool to break the bottle open. So he looks
1020
00:47:11.360 --> 00:47:13.679
at his little child companion and he's debating using the
1021
00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:15.920
kid's skull to smash the bottle, to which I said,
1022
00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:21.000
can we look around a little more. There's some rocks
1023
00:47:21.159 --> 00:47:24.719
over there. He's immediately like, look away, and the kid's like, God,
1024
00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:26.320
damn it, I guess I gotta do it, so right
1025
00:47:26.360 --> 00:47:28.920
before he raises his hand like he's about to do it,
1026
00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:31.480
and then the movie smash cuts to present day of
1027
00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:33.920
Ome writing the story, and it does feel a little
1028
00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:36.199
disconnected from the main plot, but the ending ties it
1029
00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:38.719
all together really beautifully because at the end of the film,
1030
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:41.639
the conqustador decides not to kill the child, but tells
1031
00:47:41.719 --> 00:47:44.880
him to use his own skull to open the thing,
1032
00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:49.000
and then they see a goat head skull, a goat skull,
1033
00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:51.480
and then it is thought that they could just use that.
1034
00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:54.159
So that's the final payoff reinforces one of the movie's
1035
00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:57.039
biggest themes is everything has a perfect like a purpose
1036
00:47:57.360 --> 00:47:59.519
and the cycle repeats, and it's also.
1037
00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:02.239
Really like that it obviously it's an indication of Ohm's character,
1038
00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:03.960
where like, you know, at the beginning of the movie,
1039
00:48:04.039 --> 00:48:06.880
he's a suicidal man who kind of hates himself for
1040
00:48:06.920 --> 00:48:10.239
what he's done, you know, is his tragic backstory, and
1041
00:48:10.360 --> 00:48:14.760
you know, is willing to leave his legacy as like
1042
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:17.119
this bitter. He even talks to Fiona about it, where
1043
00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:18.880
she's like, why would you want to, you know, write
1044
00:48:18.920 --> 00:48:20.239
that story. Why why do you want to leave it
1045
00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:22.519
with such a bleakue, you know, awful ending, And he's like, well,
1046
00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:24.639
that's you know, that's life or whatever.
1047
00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:26.239
That's you got to deal with it, baby, you know
1048
00:48:26.280 --> 00:48:26.679
sort of thing.
1049
00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:29.559
And he's he's at that cynical, you know, bitter dude
1050
00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:32.639
who's about to hang himself. And then if you want
1051
00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:34.920
to take the story at face value and say that
1052
00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:38.280
he's miraculously saved by this kind woman and you know
1053
00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:41.159
he's able to sort of get revenge for her a
1054
00:48:41.159 --> 00:48:44.239
little bit with you know, bringing her killer to Witchie justice.
1055
00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:48.039
You know, he's he's a transformed man. He's he's maybe
1056
00:48:48.079 --> 00:48:50.679
not like a great guy still, but he's still at
1057
00:48:50.760 --> 00:48:54.000
least you know that last scene with with Albie, you know,
1058
00:48:54.039 --> 00:48:56.360
where he's like, you know, at least a little bit nicer.
1059
00:48:56.079 --> 00:48:59.320
To him an ice cream ice cream show.
1060
00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:02.360
Yeah, yeah, uh, you know, it's it's got that vibe
1061
00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:05.119
of like and I think what's what's really pertinent about
1062
00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:08.320
the ending too, and going back to the Conquisa door story,
1063
00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:12.519
is that there's hope in the sense that it's not
1064
00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:15.679
like everybody's all smiles and hugging. It's like the skull
1065
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:18.039
is over by the side, like they can find it
1066
00:49:18.079 --> 00:49:20.119
if they want to. They've thrown the bottle, if they
1067
00:49:20.199 --> 00:49:22.599
keep looking just a little bit more, if they just
1068
00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:24.679
you know, hang on a second longer, like they can,
1069
00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:26.559
they can find it, you know sort of thing. But
1070
00:49:26.599 --> 00:49:28.440
the point is like at least they're not killing each
1071
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:30.760
other over it, and you know, they decided not to
1072
00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:31.920
hurt each other.
1073
00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:33.880
I don't even know if that kid could have killed him, you.
1074
00:49:33.880 --> 00:49:35.920
Know, I probably couldn't. Yeah, yeah, that.
1075
00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:38.159
Would have been a very painful, painful death.
1076
00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:40.400
By the way, Just just to feed the fuel of
1077
00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:42.920
my you know, alternate theory of like maybe this is
1078
00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:47.440
all a hallucination in the underworld or something. Willow'connell, the
1079
00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:49.840
actor who plays Albe, the bell hop and ice cream
1080
00:49:49.880 --> 00:49:53.360
shop worker, is also the guy who plays Jack the Jackass.
1081
00:49:53.719 --> 00:49:56.800
So it's that like, you know, dual character thing of
1082
00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:59.519
like you know what's going on there kind of thing.
1083
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:02.679
Yeah, but that's what I like. There's so many dark,
1084
00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:06.199
layered details, and the movie is constantly rewarding the attention
1085
00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:08.519
that you're giving it. Because, like if we were talking
1086
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:12.480
about symbolisms and recurring motifs like circles, we have chalk circles,
1087
00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:17.199
ritual circles, bells, bottles, mirror reflections, looping trauma, and ghosts
1088
00:50:17.239 --> 00:50:21.079
trapped in cycles. Everything, Like even the structure of the
1089
00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:24.079
story loops back to the beginning, So there's a lot
1090
00:50:24.159 --> 00:50:28.119
going on. The goats. The goat imagery matters too, the
1091
00:50:28.280 --> 00:50:31.639
virgal killing, casually killing goats because they're kind of considered
1092
00:50:31.679 --> 00:50:33.679
pets to some people. You know a lot of people
1093
00:50:33.880 --> 00:50:37.960
are pests, but I don't see it. And you know,
1094
00:50:38.679 --> 00:50:41.559
that goat skull becoming important to the story and him,
1095
00:50:41.880 --> 00:50:45.599
the symbolism just comes full circle and again nothing is random. Yeah,
1096
00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:48.719
even the bizarre scene where the goats are all hallucinatory,
1097
00:50:48.800 --> 00:50:51.400
hallucinating and staring at their own reflections. We're back to
1098
00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:53.480
the mirrors. We're back to the reflections. And I thought
1099
00:50:53.480 --> 00:50:56.519
that was really fun because like, that's the greatest life
1100
00:50:56.559 --> 00:50:58.440
I could imagine. I'm just this goat, I'm just eating
1101
00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:01.440
these mushrooms up trip and all, and all I want
1102
00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:02.920
to do is look at my reflection. And I think
1103
00:51:02.920 --> 00:51:04.920
that that sounds like a really great life. But that's
1104
00:51:04.960 --> 00:51:07.280
such a shame, Like that's what's tied in. They're going
1105
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:09.920
to the cars specifically because they can see their reflections
1106
00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:11.360
in the right I'm like, why don't you build a
1107
00:51:11.440 --> 00:51:13.320
higher fence, man, Like we don't have to sit here
1108
00:51:13.360 --> 00:51:16.159
and blow the Who's cleaning all the blood off these cars?
1109
00:51:16.360 --> 00:51:17.760
You know? Right? Right?
1110
00:51:17.920 --> 00:51:21.440
Yeah? The theme is very I think it's straightforward. It's
1111
00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:22.320
grief and trauma.
1112
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:22.639
You know.
1113
00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:27.320
The movie really really dives into unresolved guilt. You know,
1114
00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:31.639
spends the entire film emotionally dead, like he's cruel to people,
1115
00:51:31.639 --> 00:51:34.360
he's disconnected, he's suicidal, and he's unable to process what
1116
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:37.599
happened to his mother. And I feel like this I honestly,
1117
00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:42.920
our friend Christopher Kramer has just done a documentary about
1118
00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:49.840
using psilocybin in therapy and you know, restoration for people
1119
00:51:49.880 --> 00:51:53.000
with PTSD and for our veterans, And I just think
1120
00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:55.079
that it is time to start looking at the health
1121
00:51:55.119 --> 00:51:59.159
benefits of what these natural remedies I say, with quote
1122
00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:01.519
marks can do to help you kind of open your
1123
00:52:01.519 --> 00:52:04.400
mind to deal with it. Like luckily am had a
1124
00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:07.199
supernatural force to make him finally confront and deal with it,
1125
00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:09.599
or was it just the mushrooms, But either way, by
1126
00:52:09.639 --> 00:52:11.920
the end he has a genuine new lease on life.
1127
00:52:11.960 --> 00:52:15.360
And whether it was from supernatural reasons or from using
1128
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:19.559
mushrooms and well being drugged and not realizing that that's
1129
00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:21.639
what was opening his mind to help him deal with
1130
00:52:21.679 --> 00:52:25.199
his trauma. I just think that that's really really fascinating
1131
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:27.840
and it's an interesting way to look at the story.
1132
00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:32.079
Yeah, yeah, and yeah, I think it ultimately. I to
1133
00:52:32.159 --> 00:52:36.000
add to that, I would just say that hokum is quietly.
1134
00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:40.679
Maybe that's not the right word, but like it's an
1135
00:52:40.840 --> 00:52:43.920
un sh I'm trying to find a word and I
1136
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:47.639
can't find a word which is ironic, but yeah, it's
1137
00:52:47.679 --> 00:52:49.920
not being showy about the fact that it is a
1138
00:52:50.039 --> 00:52:54.079
very character piece. You know, it's it's ultimately I mean
1139
00:52:54.119 --> 00:52:56.159
across the board, even though it is ensemble, even though
1140
00:52:56.159 --> 00:52:58.480
Ohm is not, you know, the only character in it.
1141
00:52:58.519 --> 00:53:00.440
And you have all these really richly drawn careters like
1142
00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:04.440
Jerry or Fergel or Fiona or Lb. All of them
1143
00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:07.719
feel like they have their own internal lives, and you know,
1144
00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:10.920
what happens to Mal is just as you know Weighty
1145
00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:12.880
is what happens to Ohm in terms of, you know,
1146
00:53:12.960 --> 00:53:17.199
their fates. And I think that McCarthy has made a
1147
00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:20.039
movie that similar to Oddity and similar to Caveat, which
1148
00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:21.800
I think is the most exciting thing about him as
1149
00:53:21.800 --> 00:53:27.159
an aulturur, that he really is really adept at tying
1150
00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:33.719
together horror elements and folklore elements and supernatural elements to character,
1151
00:53:34.079 --> 00:53:36.280
you know, which isn't always the case, you know, And
1152
00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:38.000
I think that he does it in a really really
1153
00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:40.679
deft and really layered and unique way.
1154
00:53:41.199 --> 00:53:43.599
I just I love this because it feels like he
1155
00:53:44.119 --> 00:53:48.039
he trusts the audience. Yeah, it doesn't spoon feed every detail,
1156
00:53:48.039 --> 00:53:51.679
but if you pay attention, almost everything connects and the
1157
00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:54.199
tension is fantastic throughout it. And I think he you know,
1158
00:53:54.280 --> 00:53:57.159
McCarthy's continuing to prove he's one of the best modern
1159
00:53:57.159 --> 00:53:59.519
hard directors working right now. And we just have this
1160
00:53:59.639 --> 00:54:05.239
like team of really good horror directors coming out right
1161
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:11.320
now with you know, Kreeger and and the Philippos and
1162
00:54:11.320 --> 00:54:15.719
and and and Yeah. Yeah, like we we're doing really
1163
00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:18.880
well and I can't wait. And when we're still doing
1164
00:54:18.880 --> 00:54:21.760
well by the second or third movie, that's very promising.
1165
00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:22.159
Yeah.
1166
00:54:22.239 --> 00:54:24.119
Yeah, there's not a lot of flukes. There's not a
1167
00:54:24.159 --> 00:54:25.599
lot of like they made one good movie and then
1168
00:54:25.639 --> 00:54:27.559
they sucked the rest or something. Yeah, it's it's like,
1169
00:54:28.880 --> 00:54:29.239
you know.
1170
00:54:29.440 --> 00:54:33.800
Is strange. I've only seen it once. I'd have to
1171
00:54:33.840 --> 00:54:38.119
watch it again to really like see what's going. Like
1172
00:54:38.199 --> 00:54:41.119
I honestly can't remember the plot completely. I remember it's
1173
00:54:41.119 --> 00:54:43.480
in this house and somebody's being held captive and there's
1174
00:54:43.519 --> 00:54:46.159
a little ding ding bunny and it's fucking weird. But
1175
00:54:46.199 --> 00:54:48.239
I would like to watch it again now after watching
1176
00:54:48.280 --> 00:54:50.760
his other movies. Just it's very interesting to see. And
1177
00:54:50.840 --> 00:54:53.079
they are getting better, they're getting more money, they're getting
1178
00:54:53.159 --> 00:54:56.119
more better bigger actors, not better actors, bigger actors. So
1179
00:54:56.639 --> 00:54:59.000
because an oddity, God, I love like it's funny. When
1180
00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:01.159
I watched it with Ken with in the first five seconds.
1181
00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:04.639
I'm not to spoil he's one character. He's immediately like,
1182
00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:07.400
look at that guy, that guy said James Bond villain,
1183
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:09.760
How is he not the bad guy? Within the first
1184
00:55:09.800 --> 00:55:11.920
five seconds. So I thought it was really yeah, he
1185
00:55:12.239 --> 00:55:14.880
knew he knew that. Then something was off with that guy.
1186
00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:16.239
And I thought it was funny because I was like, oh,
1187
00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:18.920
but he's so handsome, that he's charming and he's English
1188
00:55:19.360 --> 00:55:20.639
or Irish or whatever's going on.
1189
00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:23.639
Yeah, yeah, that's great. Yeah.
1190
00:55:23.679 --> 00:55:25.480
No, I think that it's like you're saying, like, it's
1191
00:55:25.559 --> 00:55:28.199
really encouraging right now. It's not just the horror is
1192
00:55:28.239 --> 00:55:30.639
in a really good space financially, even though it is.
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And I think that, you know, all these things are
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re spectrum, all these things feeding to each other. It's
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all cycle. I think if if we didn't have this
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crop of really solid, exciting, you know, smart filmmakers that
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were continuing to get better with each movie, then maybe,
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you know, the genre wouldn't be as strong as it
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is right now.
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But we do, and it is recommendations.
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My recommendations are go see caveat and adity. I've already
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probably said oddity before when I did my thing. But like,
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if you haven't seen it, go see it. Yeah, yeah, both,
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go watch both of them and watch them in order.
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Yeah, and I'll only add to that, if you really
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enjoy the aspect of Hokum that is the escape Room,
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then you know, you could do worse than the Escape
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Room movies.
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I like them.
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I think they're fun in a very like, you know, procedural,
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like what's next sort of way. They're they're not the
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if you like Hokum, they're not the same type of
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movie at all. But but yeah, if you just want
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some silliness, you know, that's uh. I think in the
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in the vein of how we'd like to use these
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recommendations as like a double feature you already have like
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the Fla Mignon with Hokum, so it's like, might as
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well have dessert too, you know sort of thing.
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Yeah.
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Thank you all for joining us for this episode of
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