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Welcome to beyond the dose the podcast where we explore healing, transformation and purpose. Hi, I'm Michelle. From Purple City experience here to share stories, expert insights and tools to navigate. Life challenges like depression, anxiety, grief and burnout, or simply define deeper connection and clear. 3. From science and faith to legal psilocybin treatment, this isn't just another podcast about psychedelics. It's about the journey beyond the medicine beyond the dose together, let's uncover practical ways to live a more peaceful, purpose filled life. Hey everybody. Welcome to another episode of Beyond the Dose. I'm your host, Michelle Harrell, and today I have the pleasure of chatting with Henry Winslow. If you're not familiar with Henry, Henry produces one of, in my opinion, one of the better and best psychedelic newsletters out there. So if you are interested in learning more about psychedelics in general, I highly recommend tricycle day. So Henry, welcome to the. Show and I'll let you also give yourself a little introduction and and tell a little bit about your story and how you I'm you know, what I would like to focus on today is really talking about how psychedelics, you know, transformed your life, how they also. Shape what you're doing today and where you're hoping to grow your business in the future. I think that psychedelics can be a really useful tool for helping people find purpose and also unlocking creativity. And so I really saw you as somebody that embodies that, and that's why I invited you to join today. So.
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Welcome.
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Thank you. Thank you so much for that Nice introduction. It's it's great to share this conversational space with you, Michelle.
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Yeah. I mean, there's there's a lot in there. So we can. See where we where the conversation takes us. But I supposed to answer what I feel is like the crux of what you just shared. Now you know purpose and psychedelics unlocking that purpose. It's really interesting that you bring that up because.
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Exactly. It was a lot.
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Before I ever was introduced to psychedelics or they were on my radar beyond, you know, cultural, you know, misinformation and memes pretty much. I was a yoga teacher, and I actually had a podcast called Dharma Talk and familiar Dharma in the yoga tradition is loosely translated.
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To purpose or path?
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Hmm. Yeah.
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So and that was really the focus of the conversations I always had with people is like, what does Dharma mean to you and how has your yoga practice kind of influenced your your path and helped you come to a better understanding of your purpose. So it's a really kind of nice natural segue for me because. My yoga practice is actually what took me to psychedelics.
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So you know, I had been practicing yoga for about 10 years and was a full time yoga teacher at the time. And you know, I when you're at that level of intensity around your practice, it's a lot more than rolling out your mat and doing edging, there's, you know, millennia of esoteric.
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Philosophy and history and practices beyond the physical movements and you know one of the foundational texts of yoga is called the Yoga sutras, written by Patanjali, and it lays out an 8 fold path to to achieve the end state of yoga. So yoga is both the practice and the final. Stage the other word for the final stage is samadhi. And in the text, samadhi is described as a non dual state, meaning that the distinction between the self and everything else, the self and the other or between the subject and object, if you will, falls away. And when that illusion is dismantled, there's only one only one. All that is, and you might call that God.
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You might call that universal consciousness. There are a lot of ways to describe that source. But that was something that was really gripping to me and something that I cared a lot about learning about, but I didn't really think that my yoga practice in the modern age when I was hustle bustle like trying to teach 15 classes in New York City, was going to get me there. And I kind.
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Of. Was resigned to that, and then a friend of mine who was also in my yoga community and my sangha. If you will. Came in and told me and a few others about a psychedelic ceremony that she had just participated in. And like I said, you know, before that I didn't really have any awareness or interest in psychedelics. But when she framed it as being a way to access samadhi, that got my attention.
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Mm-hmm.
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And so I I went to a a ceremony which was with Buffalo areas or five MO DMT. And had that experience and it was completely transformative.
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What what I was going to say, what a second to like to start with. I feel like that, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah. And I didn't even realize, you know, at that point like that, there were different tiers of intensity and and that many people spend, like, many Psychonauts would work up to that. But to me, it was like, OK, this is the thing that she did. And she had this experience, and it fits nicely into, you know, my entire worldview. So I'm going.
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To do it.
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Yeah. And I happen to hear you talk about that experience on the thank You Life Podcast just a couple weeks ago and I was blown away by your description of how that occurred and what you took away from it. I I don't know if you want to. Share and I. Mean. I don't know if you want to share a little bit about that because yeah.
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Yeah, I'm happy.
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And and maybe. How that then led to the next thing?
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Yeah, yeah. So my experience of it was very emotional, not very visual, you know, for to the listener. I don't know what kind of level of familiarity or experience they have with various psychedelics, but for me, 5 MO DMT was not a hallucinatory experience at all. I mean, it was pretty much blank as far as visuals.
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But it was intensely emotional and very confrontational in terms of my sense of identity. So the first thing that I felt was like my being being ripped from my body and pulled down into the center of the universe, and there was a lot of terror around that experience because it felt like I was. Dying right and. You know, I remember, like kind of talking to myself through this experience and saying, OK, the, you know, the shaman, the facilitator said to me the most important thing is that you surrender to the experience, whatever comes up. So I told myself that. And by the way, like, this is such like a violent and strong molecule that resistance is futile. Anyway, and I could tell that so I said, OK, I'm gonna surrender if I just died. Let's figure out what death is. So I accepted that I died and as soon as I accepted that all the fear and panic just melted.
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Right. And on the other side of it was just pure bliss. I mean it, it truly was everything that I could have imagined, samadhi to be, or Nirvana. If you're thinking of the Buddhist tradition. And more, because you cannot intellectualize that experience. And I realized that I had never felt this level of pure, unencumbered, unconditional love in my life.
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So it was, you know, completely, irreversibly transformative for me to go through that experience. And when I came back, I just was flooded with the sense of gratitude, like, OK, here I am. I am alive. And what am I going to do with this new knowledge of what consciousness? What existence? What? Being alive.
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Yeah. Would you say that it kind of removed your fear of death and? And.
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In a way. Yeah. I mean, it's hard to say cause you know, if I were to confront my mortality today and really felt like my life were in danger, who knows how I would respond.
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But. You know, I I often share this about the experience. The major take away I got from that was that like physical danger is real. Mental danger is real psychological, like emotional damage. Like all these things can be inflicted on me and like it's fair and reasonable to be vigilant about avoiding it, right, right underneath all of that, I understand without a shadow of a doubt because I know from an. Direct experience? Then my spirit is untouchable. It's always good.
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Be safe so that sort of addresses the fear of mortality and way. But we'll see. You know, when that time comes, how I actually respond.
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Yeah. Yeah. No, I I feel some, I mean, I had a similar experience on psilocybin, but I've really carried that through and it's really foundational to my faith. It's like, I'm not afraid of death anymore. For me, it feels like a rebirth rather than a death. At least that's how I experienced it during a particular journey. So yeah, thank you for sharing that. I think, yeah, I think a lot of my clients find as well, even if they're not feeling like they're dying, many of many clients of mine find. Self love and and really described feeling. Yeah, that unconditional kind of love and light and peace during their societal journey, which they're able to then carry forward. So I think that's one of the, you know, powerful. Kind of messages that many people gain from these types of plants, right? And and why it's so, so transformational.
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Yeah. Yeah. And I think one of the things that's really hard to convey without having the experience, but I'll try it anyway, is that the reason why people take that away often is that. It no longer feels like you. Are you like for me, especially with with Buffalo or five MOD NT, a characteristic part of that experience is my my sense of identity becomes localized. Like it no longer is connected to the stories or the physical body or any of the experiences that I carry with me in everyday life.
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And it became when when I'm nothing. And I still have an experience. I still have a form of pure consciousness that means on everything. And so the idea is like, OK, maybe that's what it is. When you no longer are contained inside a meat suit.
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Hmm. Yeah, yeah. Real kind of ego separation or ego death is what a lot of people describe, right? Yeah. Now, thank you for saying that because I think that's helpful. I try to, you know, when I have new perspective clients and we're doing preparation, if their parents, you know, I always try to kind of help them like it's like. You can't describe to people what it's going to be like. You you do your best. But I'm like it's like, you know, having a child it people can tell tell expectant parents what to expect. But until you actually do that and go through that and have a child, you know it's you can't describe what it does, you know, and.
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Yeah, there are a lot of similarities in, in my experience. You know, when my son was.
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How it feels. Yeah.
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Born. I I said, you know, this is probably the most emotionally concentrated moment of my life, with the exception possibly of of the BUFO, because it's like, you know, when he came out.
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I remember the the emotions flooded before I even had an explanation for it, right, like the emotion led the intellect and it was similar with with, without, and the other part that's comparable is the the identity shift, which also means an identity, right? Like there is grieving there. It's what postpartum depression is. Is like your past self died and you're a new person.
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Yeah, yeah. And and new focus, new priorities, right? For many people. Yeah. So awesome. Thank you. So. OK. So following that experience, how? You know, I'm sure it changed you. So how did that manifest in your like, day-to-day? How did you integrate that experience?
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Yeah, I mean, fortunately, I was going back to a life that was ready to receive those sort of changes more than some people are like, you hear a lot about people going to Peru for an ayahuasca journey and then they have to, like, reinsert themselves into like cubicle life. Which is really challenging.
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For me, I went back to my spiritual yoga community and like you know, played the. Gong and told. All about oneness, you. Know. So they they were ready for that. And it wasn't like it didn't make me seem crazy, which is really great cause, you know, I didn't have the language or frameworks that I know now around preparation and integration. It just happened to work out that.
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My life was set up for me to be able to to take those things and actually work. With them, right? So, you know, I continued teaching yoga and continued traveling around the world with my wife and I didn't do anything with psychedelics professionally right away.
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Some part of me knew like this was such a heavy and life changing experience that it would not be wise to make rash decisions that could change the course of my life. You know, it was a little bit destabilizing, even in spite of the support that I had, right?
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So I didn't do anything with it right away, but I became interested in, you know, having other experiences with other substances, other medicine.
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Started learning more about it, reading more about it and eventually this was all around the time of COVID right? I mean my first BUFO experience was 2019, so not long after that there was quite a lot of information and and flow of news and psychedelic.
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2021 was like the era when all the biopharma companies started getting, like crazily funded and the zero interest phenomenon. And Oregon came online. As you well know, in in like 2022-2023 so. Even as a consumer, you know, just someone who is following this space. I was interested in seeing everything that was happening and it was. It became kind of difficult to find all that information and parse it because it was disjointed. It was disparate and also not everything was presented in a way that was really accessible to everyday people. Fortunately, you know, I had a background.
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In biology, like I had studied that in college and had a job working in healthcare. So I got it. But you have that end of the spectrum. Then you also have the total other end of the spectrum where people are talking about these concepts from a very spiritual like woo kind of way. And either of those can be alienating to a certain demographic for different reasons. And I just felt like there was a space for somebody to come in and consolidate this information. Play a curative role and make the information fun and accessible, and so that became sort of the insights and directive of tricycle day when I launched it 2.
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Years ago. Yeah. Yeah, and I think. I found you. Fairly early on cuz I've been following you for a while, yeah. And that was indeed what spoke to me about your your newsletter. I was receiving other newsletters which are also good. Don't get me wrong, but they were much more science heavy and very serious as far as their tone right and very kind of collegiate.
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And which is great. You know, I I still get some of those and and do read them, but I really appreciate it, you know.
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Your creativity around how you presented these topics, your humor. Obviously the memes are always great, so you know, I think it really did speak to kind of the everyday person who. Just as you grew up with all kinds of misinformation around these, these these plants and.
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And and and I just thought.
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And to be clear, you know like.
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It was a fresh of breath breath. Of fresh air, sorry.
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Thank you. Yeah, and and you know, like for me it it comes back to like what is actually the purpose you know to to come full circle on your original question what is the purpose not just of me but a a tricycle day and yeah I wanna have fun creating the content so that's a nice cherry on top. But the reason that I'm doing that is because there's this whole.
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You need.
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Well, you know, center of the bell curve of the population that's not being reached. And the purpose of tricycle day is to increase access to psychedelic medicine for people who might benefit from it. And those people are not being spoken to. Then they're being left behind.
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Yeah, no, exactly. I mean, and that's a lot of my clients, you know I have I attract very you know clients similar to me. Obviously I think whenever you lean into your purpose and you're in alignment that's what happens. So I get a lot of you know mid life professionals struggling with burnout, struggling with transition. Struggling with, you know, depression and. 80 and they're not folks who probably would respond to, you know, the Woo Woo stuff. And so I I often recommend your newsletter to those folks because it is just so consumable, so accessible to kind of every everyday reader. So yeah.
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I I Trojan horse a little bit of spiritual, just the.
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Right. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah. No, you do. You do. That's true. And you're right, it is just the right amount, I think. And and always with some sense of humor, which I appreciate. Yeah.
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We can't laugh at ourselves. Then we can't let it go in here.
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Yeah, no, exactly. So I'm curious. So I mean eventually, you know, you found yourself in this industry working in this industry. But I'm also curious, how did that experience your initial experience and the experiences thereafter? How have they shaped how you? How you do show up? You know for your business, but also for your family and with your friends. And I'm just curious if you've seen, you know, big changes there as well.
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Yeah, lots. I mean, you know, there was like a. A famous quote I can't remember who it's attributed to. Someone like Alan Watts or something. It's like when you get the message, put down the phone. Right. And it's meant to say like, OK, you've had this experience, you got your insight. Don't keep going back to the medicine. But Rick Doblin had an an interesting response to that which really resonated with me, which is. Yes, that's true. But life is not stagnant, right? And we there are always new messages as you take the first one, you apply it, you reach a new level and then it opens up new challenges and new problems. And new questions, right. So it's time to pick. Up the phone again, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's kind of characterized the way that medicine and psychedelics have helped me along my path. I think, like the the big practical take away that I got from that very first Buffalo journey was. Basically not to take myself so seriously, because you know, if it's true. But. Underneath it all, my spirit is safe. Then all these petty concerns don't have to weigh so heavily on me. Like, yeah, they're real, but they're just part of the game, you know, and just play the game. The game is no fun if there are no challenges and obstacles. So it kind of took some of the pressure off in a way. And obviously, you know, it's always work to integrate. And part of integration is.
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Is reminding yourselves of these lessons and practicing overriding limiting thought patterns that are not in alignment with what you. Know to be. True. So that's one way. Uh. And then I mean more directly, more recently I've gotten involved in, you know, mastermind groups where that are assisted with medicine to head on like tackle business challenges. So that's that's kind of a really different and under discussed way that people are using psychedelics these days.
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Yeah, yeah. Do you want to tell us a little bit? I think our listeners would be curious. Yeah. Yeah. You want to tell us a little bit how that works for people so they understand what you're talking about.
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Yeah, I don't want to put anyone on blast because, you know, people are have, you know, have their own choices around how much they want to disclose. Their. Work, but I won't name names, but basically the setup is the classic, you know, sort of entrepreneurial business mastermind format, where each person has a shot in the hot seat.
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They go in and they talk about their challenge and everyone else listens. They ask clarifying questions, and then they offer suggestions either from their own lived experience running their business or, you know, reframes to the question. Maybe you're thinking about it in a limited way to begin with. The the You know the the Medicine assisted part is that everybody has dosed on the same specific medicine. And in this case we're talking about a pretty obscure synthetic called 3 MMC and it's comparable to MDMA in a way, but has a cognitive stimulant aspect as well. So it it has the heart opening, it has the fear muting which. Can be really beneficial in these kinds of spaces because. When you're talking about your business and there are other people at different levels, sometimes peacocking happens, sometimes shrinking because of intimidation and imposter syndrome. All those things come out. But with this medicine, all of the self judgment is just removed. You know, like open and cognitive stimulant part, like, you're also fluid.
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With your sleeping more articulate than.
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So it acts as essentially a truth serum where everyone wants to support one another, and it's pretty magical I.
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Have to say. Yeah, no, I can imagine. I've never participated, but I've heard you talk about them and it does sound pretty powerful. You're also you've also taken. Tricycle day and use that to launch another side of your business which I am a beneficiary of. So I know that you've started, you know, working with actual psychedelic practitioners like myself who are trying to grow our business trying to figure out how to market ourselves, how to brand ourselves. To really reach, you know our client base do. You wanna share a little bit more about that, sorry.
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Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. First, I'll I'll bring it back to the mission. You know, the purpose of the of the organization. It really felt like a natural extension because, you know, if the goal is to increase access to psychedelic medicine, I can do that one by normalizing the conversation and creating accessible education for people. But the next level, and I think at an even more impactful level of it all, is to help the people who are on the front lines the actual medicine. Workers like yourself to reach more people, affect more change, and that creates this ripple effect at at which tricycle day maybe is the center, or at least one node. And exponentially increases the amount that we're actually, you know, making these medicines more accessible. So you know, first it began with the newsletter. Then I added the directory Mario's list and and our agency let go studio, which works with clinics and plant medicine centers, mostly to help them. They scale their audiences and then the most recent way that we're enacting this mission is through practice expansion and the membership. Community that you. Spoke of and you. You jumped in when it was still in beta and it was a cohort based program and I'm, you know, very grateful that you took that chance and glad that you got benefit from it. It's been really cool to see it grow, you know, to come back to the question that preceded this one, like, how are psychedelics changing the way that I approach business? One is realizing that it's not about me as much as I think it is. Yeah, constantly reminding myself that that I am but a channel, right, like I am. But a conduit for universal intelligence to move through me. Just like you are and everybody else is and. Realizing that allowed me to say this community creates value inherently from the connections that are within it. It's not because I come in there and do something or say something. It's because I've created this platform and created a container in which there is trust and safety for people to make connections and and create value.
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Things themselves. Yeah. And one of the things that I have just loved about it is that community, because it can feel quite lonely out here sometimes as a practitioner, especially given the industry and the nature of, you know, the fact that. These substances are still illegal in most parts of the United States and trying to navigate. And build this new industry, we often feel like pioneers, a little bit, a little bit alone out here, right. And there's some inherent risk that those of us who practice with these medicines, both legally and underground, are willing to accept. Because we really believe in what you know, what we're doing and the and the power that these medicines have to help people. So yeah, thank you, because I've really enjoyed being able to talk with others who have who are going through the exact same, you know, growing, growing pains that I'm going through and really, you know. Gain insight from each other and in each other's learning and and and and mistakes. Right? Because we all make mistakes too. As we kind of navigate this path. So yeah, it's a fantastic platform. And if there's anybody out there who is wanting to get involved in this industry, I highly recommend checking it out.
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Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, and and to the listener if if you are, you know facilitator either in the regulated space or unregulated?
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Place I talked a lot about, you know, how people are supporting one another, which I do think, you know I'm learning is the key value proposition of it all. But there's also education. So we bring in different experts who come in and lead workshops and offer Q&A's around specific tactical things that you can do in this sort of nuanced. Place where it sometimes feels like you cannot, or you're hesitant to be more visible.
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Yeah, 100% now and it's. Yeah, I've learned so much. I'm still learning, so every month learning something new and so how do you feel like psychedelics have also helped you? Kind of. I mean, you said this in a way, but brought in your your idea of what's possible and and really just.
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It looks like walking without any, you know, headphones on or without, like trying to solve the problem right, go into a place where you can get into flow. My yoga practice is still, you know, when the consistent things in my life because it creates that space for inspiration. And I use that word intentionally. Inspiration.
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Because it's like, you know, these creative ideas are not created by us, they they come from somewhere and you tune your mind to act like an antenna so that it can receive them. And then it's up to you to allow it to move through you rather than clenching and holding on to it because of.
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And I I mean, I know for myself. When I feel pressure and something's feeling too hard, you know there's no there's no space for that inspiration to land because I'm so, like, you know, focused on. The hard part. Yeah, and and that is my biggest piece of advice always for every single client that I work with, you know, for integration is. Trying to still in this practice that works for you.
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And you know, not everybody loves meditation. So I think, you know, a lot of folks immediately think that I'm going to suggest that. And I'm like, no, you don't have to do, you don't have to do meditation. It can be as simple as sitting outside with your cup of coffee or tea and having the sun on your face. You know, it doesn't have to be. Yeah, it doesn't have to be.
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You know the thing that. People tell you you should do meditation practice. Some people really freak out. They like. They feel anxiety at. The thought right? So right.
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Exactly which is the exact opposite reaction you want. It's it's not productive. I'm big, big on walking. I think walking is so underrated. Just like taking an hour walk a day.
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Hey. Yeah, no, 100%. And how do you do you play at all? Because I also often, especially with my female clients above 40, I feel like women we lose, we lose our playfulness sometimes we'll become mothers and we're working and we're trying to be, you know, super mom, super wife, super, whatever.
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Yeah, yoga checks that box for me. The the physical practice of yoga because I love like getting into shapes and doing handstands and all these sorts of things.
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And I never lost the the fun of that, even through all the years of practice. So that's one. And then the other thing I do, though admittedly it is it is harder. I think this is the next level up of difficulty is just practicing total presence with my son when we're playing together a little bit harder because, you know, my mind can get pulled into other things.
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Right. I mean. Everyone's working and everyone's distracted with technology. There's just so many ways to to not be present. So yeah, I definitely appreciate that. And I will say, you know, that's one thing that for me, gosh, if I could go back, you know, I would wish I would have found some of these these plants. In medicines, when I was a younger parent, because I would definitely have parents at a little bit differently. So thanks. Thank you for that. Gosh, what I mean is there anything else that you want to share about? Oh. You know your future vision for tricycle day and for this, you know, the practicum that you have started and and all of the work you're doing with practitioners, where do you see it growing?
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This is this is breaking. News. I'm I'm going to be. Yeah, may have. Depends when this comes out and maybe will have already happened, but I'm going to be rolling out a third weekly edition. The news.
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Yeah. So currently it it sends on Wednesday and Sunday, Wednesday is the roundup of the news this week in psychedelics. Sunday is the interview series Psycho, not AOE. Friday is going to be a totally new format, which I think is going to be great. It's going to offer practical wisdom. I'll leave it at that for now. It's going to offer practical wisdom to.
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The you know, consumers, the enthusiasts in my audience of which you know that represents about 70% versus the other 30% as professionals, psychedelic professionals, that is. So we'll leave. It that for now, but that's that's a big expansion on the content side and then you know the focus on the community is really to you know, recruit as many facilitators who feel like this is a missing skill set for them into the community so that they can reach more people and affect more change and more growth and transformation.
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Yeah. Well, and I mean is it, I could even see facilitate or facility owners also. Benefiting from the from the group, not just facilitators. So I just wanted to mention that because there's plenty of those here in Oregon and in Colorado. We'll be opening some so.
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The first one.
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I was going to say I saw. It in your newsletter the first the first service. Center opened or has? Been licensed, I suppose. I don't know if it's.
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Has been licensed. Yeah, not yet, but that's. That was an important milestone that needed to happen before the.
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Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Exciting. Well, thank you, Henry. I so appreciate you doing this. I know you're a busy man, especially if you're putting out a third letter every week. Starting soon. That's a lot of work. So I do one a week and I find it already challenging. So I don't. I can't imagine how you do 3 so.
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Will be a slightly lighter lift because the real intention of this one is not for me to necessarily write it per say. It's going to be. The facilitating conversation it's going to be sort of turning the newsletter into an aspect of community as well. OK. So yeah, it's going to be first thing. Recommendations and insight from facilitators on Maria's list.
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I'm excited to see you. Oh, oh, cool. Well, I'm on Mario's list, so I'm excited. OK. Awesome. Yeah, I'm excited to hear more. Thanks. Thanks for the.
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You are you are. You're going. To be hearing about it more in more detail shortly, OK.
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Well, thank you everyone. I hope that today's conversation, you know, inspired somebody out there or, you know, maybe you learn something new. So that's the intent of this podcast is really just to. To share the information and share other people's testimonies and stories around how these medicines have improved their lives. So thank you for sharing that, Henry. Any last. Thing you wanna promote or say or.
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Yeah, we'll just leave it at it. If you are interested in learning about everything that's happening in this space, getting practical insight now or hearing from people who are movers and shakers advancing psychedelic Policy Research and all those things, then the best way to do that is to subscribe to tricycle day. It's free. It always will be free. And you can do that at tricycle. Dot com.
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Yes, and you can follow him on Instagram, Facebook linked. And so, yeah, all of the platforms. All right. Well, thank you, everyone. And if you enjoyed this episode, please like it, subscribe, share it, it would really help us out and we will be moving on next week to a new topic. So thanks for listening and thank you, Henry.
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Welcome to beyond the dose the podcast where we explore healing, transformation and purpose. Hi, I'm Michelle. From Purple City experience here to share stories, expert insights and tools to navigate. Life challenges like depression, anxiety, grief and burnout, or simply define deeper connection and clear. 3. From science and faith to legal psilocybin treatment, this isn't just another podcast about psychedelics. It's about the journey beyond the medicine beyond the dose together, let's uncover practical ways to live a more peaceful, purpose filled life. Hey everybody. Welcome to another episode of Beyond the Dose. I'm your host, Michelle Harrell, and today I have the pleasure of chatting with Henry Winslow. If you're not familiar with Henry, Henry produces one of, in my opinion, one of the better and best psychedelic newsletters out there. So if you are interested in learning more about psychedelics in general, I highly recommend tricycle day. So Henry, welcome to the. Show and I'll let you also give yourself a little introduction and and tell a little bit about your story and how you I'm you know, what I would like to focus on today is really talking about how psychedelics, you know, transformed your life, how they also. Shape what you're doing today and where you're hoping to grow your business in the future. I think that psychedelics can be a really useful tool for helping people find purpose and also unlocking creativity. And so I really saw you as somebody that embodies that, and that's why I invited you to join today. So.
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Thank you. Thank you so much for that Nice introduction. It's it's great to share this conversational space with you, Michelle.
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Yeah. I mean, there's there's a lot in there. So we can. See where we where the conversation takes us. But I supposed to answer what I feel is like the crux of what you just shared. Now you know purpose and psychedelics unlocking that purpose. It's really interesting that you bring that up because.
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Before I ever was introduced to psychedelics or they were on my radar beyond, you know, cultural, you know, misinformation and memes pretty much. I was a yoga teacher, and I actually had a podcast called Dharma Talk and familiar Dharma in the yoga tradition is loosely translated.
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So and that was really the focus of the conversations I always had with people is like, what does Dharma mean to you and how has your yoga practice kind of influenced your your path and helped you come to a better understanding of your purpose. So it's a really kind of nice natural segue for me because. My yoga practice is actually what took me to psychedelics.
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So you know, I had been practicing yoga for about 10 years and was a full time yoga teacher at the time. And you know, I when you're at that level of intensity around your practice, it's a lot more than rolling out your mat and doing edging, there's, you know, millennia of esoteric.
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Philosophy and history and practices beyond the physical movements and you know one of the foundational texts of yoga is called the Yoga sutras, written by Patanjali, and it lays out an 8 fold path to to achieve the end state of yoga. So yoga is both the practice and the final. Stage the other word for the final stage is samadhi. And in the text, samadhi is described as a non dual state, meaning that the distinction between the self and everything else, the self and the other or between the subject and object, if you will, falls away. And when that illusion is dismantled, there's only one only one. All that is, and you might call that God.
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You might call that universal consciousness. There are a lot of ways to describe that source. But that was something that was really gripping to me and something that I cared a lot about learning about, but I didn't really think that my yoga practice in the modern age when I was hustle bustle like trying to teach 15 classes in New York City, was going to get me there. And I kind.
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Of. Was resigned to that, and then a friend of mine who was also in my yoga community and my sangha. If you will. Came in and told me and a few others about a psychedelic ceremony that she had just participated in. And like I said, you know, before that I didn't really have any awareness or interest in psychedelics. But when she framed it as being a way to access samadhi, that got my attention.
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And so I I went to a a ceremony which was with Buffalo areas or five MO DMT. And had that experience and it was completely transformative.
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What what I was going to say, what a second to like to start with. I feel like that, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah. And I didn't even realize, you know, at that point like that, there were different tiers of intensity and and that many people spend, like, many Psychonauts would work up to that. But to me, it was like, OK, this is the thing that she did. And she had this experience, and it fits nicely into, you know, my entire worldview. So I'm going.
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Yeah. And I happen to hear you talk about that experience on the thank You Life Podcast just a couple weeks ago and I was blown away by your description of how that occurred and what you took away from it. I I don't know if you want to. Share and I. Mean. I don't know if you want to share a little bit about that because yeah.
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And and maybe. How that then led to the next thing?
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But it was intensely emotional and very confrontational in terms of my sense of identity. So the first thing that I felt was like my being being ripped from my body and pulled down into the center of the universe, and there was a lot of terror around that experience because it felt like I was. Dying right and. You know, I remember, like kind of talking to myself through this experience and saying, OK, the, you know, the shaman, the facilitator said to me the most important thing is that you surrender to the experience, whatever comes up. So I told myself that. And by the way, like, this is such like a violent and strong molecule that resistance is futile. Anyway, and I could tell that so I said, OK, I'm gonna surrender if I just died. Let's figure out what death is. So I accepted that I died and as soon as I accepted that all the fear and panic just melted.
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Right. And on the other side of it was just pure bliss. I mean it, it truly was everything that I could have imagined, samadhi to be, or Nirvana. If you're thinking of the Buddhist tradition. And more, because you cannot intellectualize that experience. And I realized that I had never felt this level of pure, unencumbered, unconditional love in my life.
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So it was, you know, completely, irreversibly transformative for me to go through that experience. And when I came back, I just was flooded with the sense of gratitude, like, OK, here I am. I am alive. And what am I going to do with this new knowledge of what consciousness? What existence? What? Being alive.
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But. You know, I I often share this about the experience. The major take away I got from that was that like physical danger is real. Mental danger is real psychological, like emotional damage. Like all these things can be inflicted on me and like it's fair and reasonable to be vigilant about avoiding it, right, right underneath all of that, I understand without a shadow of a doubt because I know from an. Direct experience? Then my spirit is untouchable. It's always good.
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Yeah. Yeah. No, I I feel some, I mean, I had a similar experience on psilocybin, but I've really carried that through and it's really foundational to my faith. It's like, I'm not afraid of death anymore. For me, it feels like a rebirth rather than a death. At least that's how I experienced it during a particular journey. So yeah, thank you for sharing that. I think, yeah, I think a lot of my clients find as well, even if they're not feeling like they're dying, many of many clients of mine find. Self love and and really described feeling. Yeah, that unconditional kind of love and light and peace during their societal journey, which they're able to then carry forward. So I think that's one of the, you know, powerful. Kind of messages that many people gain from these types of plants, right? And and why it's so, so transformational.
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Yeah. Yeah. And I think one of the things that's really hard to convey without having the experience, but I'll try it anyway, is that the reason why people take that away often is that. It no longer feels like you. Are you like for me, especially with with Buffalo or five MOD NT, a characteristic part of that experience is my my sense of identity becomes localized. Like it no longer is connected to the stories or the physical body or any of the experiences that I carry with me in everyday life.
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And it became when when I'm nothing. And I still have an experience. I still have a form of pure consciousness that means on everything. And so the idea is like, OK, maybe that's what it is. When you no longer are contained inside a meat suit.
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Hmm. Yeah, yeah. Real kind of ego separation or ego death is what a lot of people describe, right? Yeah. Now, thank you for saying that because I think that's helpful. I try to, you know, when I have new perspective clients and we're doing preparation, if their parents, you know, I always try to kind of help them like it's like. You can't describe to people what it's going to be like. You you do your best. But I'm like it's like, you know, having a child it people can tell tell expectant parents what to expect. But until you actually do that and go through that and have a child, you know it's you can't describe what it does, you know, and.
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I remember the the emotions flooded before I even had an explanation for it, right, like the emotion led the intellect and it was similar with with, without, and the other part that's comparable is the the identity shift, which also means an identity, right? Like there is grieving there. It's what postpartum depression is. Is like your past self died and you're a new person.
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Yeah, yeah. And and new focus, new priorities, right? For many people. Yeah. So awesome. Thank you. So. OK. So following that experience, how? You know, I'm sure it changed you. So how did that manifest in your like, day-to-day? How did you integrate that experience?
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For me, I went back to my spiritual yoga community and like you know, played the. Gong and told. All about oneness, you. Know. So they they were ready for that. And it wasn't like it didn't make me seem crazy, which is really great cause, you know, I didn't have the language or frameworks that I know now around preparation and integration. It just happened to work out that.
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My life was set up for me to be able to to take those things and actually work. With them, right? So, you know, I continued teaching yoga and continued traveling around the world with my wife and I didn't do anything with psychedelics professionally right away.
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Some part of me knew like this was such a heavy and life changing experience that it would not be wise to make rash decisions that could change the course of my life. You know, it was a little bit destabilizing, even in spite of the support that I had, right?
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Started learning more about it, reading more about it and eventually this was all around the time of COVID right? I mean my first BUFO experience was 2019, so not long after that there was quite a lot of information and and flow of news and psychedelic.
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2021 was like the era when all the biopharma companies started getting, like crazily funded and the zero interest phenomenon. And Oregon came online. As you well know, in in like 2022-2023 so. Even as a consumer, you know, just someone who is following this space. I was interested in seeing everything that was happening and it was. It became kind of difficult to find all that information and parse it because it was disjointed. It was disparate and also not everything was presented in a way that was really accessible to everyday people. Fortunately, you know, I had a background.
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In biology, like I had studied that in college and had a job working in healthcare. So I got it. But you have that end of the spectrum. Then you also have the total other end of the spectrum where people are talking about these concepts from a very spiritual like woo kind of way. And either of those can be alienating to a certain demographic for different reasons. And I just felt like there was a space for somebody to come in and consolidate this information. Play a curative role and make the information fun and accessible, and so that became sort of the insights and directive of tricycle day when I launched it 2.
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Years ago. Yeah. Yeah, and I think. I found you. Fairly early on cuz I've been following you for a while, yeah. And that was indeed what spoke to me about your your newsletter. I was receiving other newsletters which are also good. Don't get me wrong, but they were much more science heavy and very serious as far as their tone right and very kind of collegiate.
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Your creativity around how you presented these topics, your humor. Obviously the memes are always great, so you know, I think it really did speak to kind of the everyday person who. Just as you grew up with all kinds of misinformation around these, these these plants and.
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It was a fresh of breath breath. Of fresh air, sorry.
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Thank you. Yeah, and and you know, like for me it it comes back to like what is actually the purpose you know to to come full circle on your original question what is the purpose not just of me but a a tricycle day and yeah I wanna have fun creating the content so that's a nice cherry on top. But the reason that I'm doing that is because there's this whole.
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Well, you know, center of the bell curve of the population that's not being reached. And the purpose of tricycle day is to increase access to psychedelic medicine for people who might benefit from it. And those people are not being spoken to. Then they're being left behind.
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Yeah, no, exactly. I mean, and that's a lot of my clients, you know I have I attract very you know clients similar to me. Obviously I think whenever you lean into your purpose and you're in alignment that's what happens. So I get a lot of you know mid life professionals struggling with burnout, struggling with transition. Struggling with, you know, depression and. 80 and they're not folks who probably would respond to, you know, the Woo Woo stuff. And so I I often recommend your newsletter to those folks because it is just so consumable, so accessible to kind of every everyday reader. So yeah.
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Right. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah. No, you do. You do. That's true. And you're right, it is just the right amount, I think. And and always with some sense of humor, which I appreciate. Yeah.
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We can't laugh at ourselves. Then we can't let it go in here.
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Yeah, no, exactly. So I'm curious. So I mean eventually, you know, you found yourself in this industry working in this industry. But I'm also curious, how did that experience your initial experience and the experiences thereafter? How have they shaped how you? How you do show up? You know for your business, but also for your family and with your friends. And I'm just curious if you've seen, you know, big changes there as well.
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Yeah, lots. I mean, you know, there was like a. A famous quote I can't remember who it's attributed to. Someone like Alan Watts or something. It's like when you get the message, put down the phone. Right. And it's meant to say like, OK, you've had this experience, you got your insight. Don't keep going back to the medicine. But Rick Doblin had an an interesting response to that which really resonated with me, which is. Yes, that's true. But life is not stagnant, right? And we there are always new messages as you take the first one, you apply it, you reach a new level and then it opens up new challenges and new problems. And new questions, right. So it's time to pick. Up the phone again, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's kind of characterized the way that medicine and psychedelics have helped me along my path. I think, like the the big practical take away that I got from that very first Buffalo journey was. Basically not to take myself so seriously, because you know, if it's true. But. Underneath it all, my spirit is safe. Then all these petty concerns don't have to weigh so heavily on me. Like, yeah, they're real, but they're just part of the game, you know, and just play the game. The game is no fun if there are no challenges and obstacles. So it kind of took some of the pressure off in a way. And obviously, you know, it's always work to integrate. And part of integration is.
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Is reminding yourselves of these lessons and practicing overriding limiting thought patterns that are not in alignment with what you. Know to be. True. So that's one way. Uh. And then I mean more directly, more recently I've gotten involved in, you know, mastermind groups where that are assisted with medicine to head on like tackle business challenges. So that's that's kind of a really different and under discussed way that people are using psychedelics these days.
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They go in and they talk about their challenge and everyone else listens. They ask clarifying questions, and then they offer suggestions either from their own lived experience running their business or, you know, reframes to the question. Maybe you're thinking about it in a limited way to begin with. The the You know the the Medicine assisted part is that everybody has dosed on the same specific medicine. And in this case we're talking about a pretty obscure synthetic called 3 MMC and it's comparable to MDMA in a way, but has a cognitive stimulant aspect as well. So it it has the heart opening, it has the fear muting which. Can be really beneficial in these kinds of spaces because. When you're talking about your business and there are other people at different levels, sometimes peacocking happens, sometimes shrinking because of intimidation and imposter syndrome. All those things come out. But with this medicine, all of the self judgment is just removed. You know, like open and cognitive stimulant part, like, you're also fluid.
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So it acts as essentially a truth serum where everyone wants to support one another, and it's pretty magical I.
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Have to say. Yeah, no, I can imagine. I've never participated, but I've heard you talk about them and it does sound pretty powerful. You're also you've also taken. Tricycle day and use that to launch another side of your business which I am a beneficiary of. So I know that you've started, you know, working with actual psychedelic practitioners like myself who are trying to grow our business trying to figure out how to market ourselves, how to brand ourselves. To really reach, you know our client base do. You wanna share a little bit more about that, sorry.
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Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. First, I'll I'll bring it back to the mission. You know, the purpose of the of the organization. It really felt like a natural extension because, you know, if the goal is to increase access to psychedelic medicine, I can do that one by normalizing the conversation and creating accessible education for people. But the next level, and I think at an even more impactful level of it all, is to help the people who are on the front lines the actual medicine. Workers like yourself to reach more people, affect more change, and that creates this ripple effect at at which tricycle day maybe is the center, or at least one node. And exponentially increases the amount that we're actually, you know, making these medicines more accessible. So you know, first it began with the newsletter. Then I added the directory Mario's list and and our agency let go studio, which works with clinics and plant medicine centers, mostly to help them. They scale their audiences and then the most recent way that we're enacting this mission is through practice expansion and the membership. Community that you. Spoke of and you. You jumped in when it was still in beta and it was a cohort based program and I'm, you know, very grateful that you took that chance and glad that you got benefit from it. It's been really cool to see it grow, you know, to come back to the question that preceded this one, like, how are psychedelics changing the way that I approach business? One is realizing that it's not about me as much as I think it is. Yeah, constantly reminding myself that that I am but a channel, right, like I am. But a conduit for universal intelligence to move through me. Just like you are and everybody else is and. Realizing that allowed me to say this community creates value inherently from the connections that are within it. It's not because I come in there and do something or say something. It's because I've created this platform and created a container in which there is trust and safety for people to make connections and and create value.
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Things themselves. Yeah. And one of the things that I have just loved about it is that community, because it can feel quite lonely out here sometimes as a practitioner, especially given the industry and the nature of, you know, the fact that. These substances are still illegal in most parts of the United States and trying to navigate. And build this new industry, we often feel like pioneers, a little bit, a little bit alone out here, right. And there's some inherent risk that those of us who practice with these medicines, both legally and underground, are willing to accept. Because we really believe in what you know, what we're doing and the and the power that these medicines have to help people. So yeah, thank you, because I've really enjoyed being able to talk with others who have who are going through the exact same, you know, growing, growing pains that I'm going through and really, you know. Gain insight from each other and in each other's learning and and and and mistakes. Right? Because we all make mistakes too. As we kind of navigate this path. So yeah, it's a fantastic platform. And if there's anybody out there who is wanting to get involved in this industry, I highly recommend checking it out.
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Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, and and to the listener if if you are, you know facilitator either in the regulated space or unregulated?
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Place I talked a lot about, you know, how people are supporting one another, which I do think, you know I'm learning is the key value proposition of it all. But there's also education. So we bring in different experts who come in and lead workshops and offer Q&A's around specific tactical things that you can do in this sort of nuanced. Place where it sometimes feels like you cannot, or you're hesitant to be more visible.
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Yeah, 100% now and it's. Yeah, I've learned so much. I'm still learning, so every month learning something new and so how do you feel like psychedelics have also helped you? Kind of. I mean, you said this in a way, but brought in your your idea of what's possible and and really just.
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Allow you, when you do come up against a roadblock, do you manage it differently now compared to like your pre? Psychedelic life, yeah.
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It looks like walking without any, you know, headphones on or without, like trying to solve the problem right, go into a place where you can get into flow. My yoga practice is still, you know, when the consistent things in my life because it creates that space for inspiration. And I use that word intentionally. Inspiration.
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Because it's like, you know, these creative ideas are not created by us, they they come from somewhere and you tune your mind to act like an antenna so that it can receive them. And then it's up to you to allow it to move through you rather than clenching and holding on to it because of.
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And I I mean, I know for myself. When I feel pressure and something's feeling too hard, you know there's no there's no space for that inspiration to land because I'm so, like, you know, focused on. The hard part. Yeah, and and that is my biggest piece of advice always for every single client that I work with, you know, for integration is. Trying to still in this practice that works for you.
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And you know, not everybody loves meditation. So I think, you know, a lot of folks immediately think that I'm going to suggest that. And I'm like, no, you don't have to do, you don't have to do meditation. It can be as simple as sitting outside with your cup of coffee or tea and having the sun on your face. You know, it doesn't have to be. Yeah, it doesn't have to be.
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You know the thing that. People tell you you should do meditation practice. Some people really freak out. They like. They feel anxiety at. The thought right? So right.
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Exactly which is the exact opposite reaction you want. It's it's not productive. I'm big, big on walking. I think walking is so underrated. Just like taking an hour walk a day.
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It's like somewhere some of my best ideas come from.
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Well, and especially obviously hopefully outside, you know, like I I feel like any time in nature where you're not distracted by technology or you know. I think that that is so. I mean, and there's studies that show, right?
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Exposure outside in nature every day helps mental health. I mean it's it's true.
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Yeah. And I'm not even, like, walking through the redwoods or anything like that. I'm walking through a relatively suburban neighborhood, but being outside, getting your legs moving and just, I think, something about getting into the repetitive motion.
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It's almost like a mantra. Practice, you know, kinds of mental meditation where your your mind is occupied with something.
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Hey. Yeah, no, 100%. And how do you do you play at all? Because I also often, especially with my female clients above 40, I feel like women we lose, we lose our playfulness sometimes we'll become mothers and we're working and we're trying to be, you know, super mom, super wife, super, whatever.
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Yeah, yoga checks that box for me. The the physical practice of yoga because I love like getting into shapes and doing handstands and all these sorts of things.
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And I never lost the the fun of that, even through all the years of practice. So that's one. And then the other thing I do, though admittedly it is it is harder. I think this is the next level up of difficulty is just practicing total presence with my son when we're playing together a little bit harder because, you know, my mind can get pulled into other things.
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I'm supposed to be doing. But it is still a good practice. Practice can be challenging.
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Right. I mean. Everyone's working and everyone's distracted with technology. There's just so many ways to to not be present. So yeah, I definitely appreciate that. And I will say, you know, that's one thing that for me, gosh, if I could go back, you know, I would wish I would have found some of these these plants. In medicines, when I was a younger parent, because I would definitely have parents at a little bit differently. So thanks. Thank you for that. Gosh, what I mean is there anything else that you want to share about? Oh. You know your future vision for tricycle day and for this, you know, the practicum that you have started and and all of the work you're doing with practitioners, where do you see it growing?
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Ohh, we're getting a hot hot take on that. Yeah. Although by the time this comes out, it probably won't be.
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This is this is breaking. News. I'm I'm going to be. Yeah, may have. Depends when this comes out and maybe will have already happened, but I'm going to be rolling out a third weekly edition. The news.
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Yeah. So currently it it sends on Wednesday and Sunday, Wednesday is the roundup of the news this week in psychedelics. Sunday is the interview series Psycho, not AOE. Friday is going to be a totally new format, which I think is going to be great. It's going to offer practical wisdom. I'll leave it at that for now. It's going to offer practical wisdom to.
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The you know, consumers, the enthusiasts in my audience of which you know that represents about 70% versus the other 30% as professionals, psychedelic professionals, that is. So we'll leave. It that for now, but that's that's a big expansion on the content side and then you know the focus on the community is really to you know, recruit as many facilitators who feel like this is a missing skill set for them into the community so that they can reach more people and affect more change and more growth and transformation.
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Yeah. Well, and I mean is it, I could even see facilitate or facility owners also. Benefiting from the from the group, not just facilitators. So I just wanted to mention that because there's plenty of those here in Oregon and in Colorado. We'll be opening some so.
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The first one.
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I was going to say I saw. It in your newsletter the first the first service. Center opened or has? Been licensed, I suppose. I don't know if it's.
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Has been licensed. Yeah, not yet, but that's. That was an important milestone that needed to happen before the.
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Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Exciting. Well, thank you, Henry. I so appreciate you doing this. I know you're a busy man, especially if you're putting out a third letter every week. Starting soon. That's a lot of work. So I do one a week and I find it already challenging. So I don't. I can't imagine how you do 3 so.
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Will be a slightly lighter lift because the real intention of this one is not for me to necessarily write it per say. It's going to be. The facilitating conversation it's going to be sort of turning the newsletter into an aspect of community as well. OK. So yeah, it's going to be first thing. Recommendations and insight from facilitators on Maria's list.
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I'm excited to see you. Oh, oh, cool. Well, I'm on Mario's list, so I'm excited. OK. Awesome. Yeah, I'm excited to hear more. Thanks. Thanks for the.
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You are you are. You're going. To be hearing about it more in more detail shortly, OK.
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Well, thank you everyone. I hope that today's conversation, you know, inspired somebody out there or, you know, maybe you learn something new. So that's the intent of this podcast is really just to. To share the information and share other people's testimonies and stories around how these medicines have improved their lives. So thank you for sharing that, Henry. Any last. Thing you wanna promote or say or.
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Yeah, we'll just leave it at it. If you are interested in learning about everything that's happening in this space, getting practical insight now or hearing from people who are movers and shakers advancing psychedelic Policy Research and all those things, then the best way to do that is to subscribe to tricycle day. It's free. It always will be free. And you can do that at tricycle. Dot com.
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Yes, and you can follow him on Instagram, Facebook linked. And so, yeah, all of the platforms. All right. Well, thank you, everyone. And if you enjoyed this episode, please like it, subscribe, share it, it would really help us out and we will be moving on next week to a new topic. So thanks for listening and thank you, Henry.
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Yep, I'm there. Thanks Michelle.
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Thank you for tuning into beyond the dose. If you enjoyed today's episode, I'd love it if you would like share and leave a review. It helps others discover the podcast and join this journey of growth and healing. If you're curious about psilocybin retreats in Portland, OR, I'd be happy to connect, subscribe, follow me, or schedule your free consultation to learn more about how I can support your own self healing journey. Thanks for listening.
