00:00:04
Speaker 1: Ten Takes is a production of the NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio.
00:00:28
Speaker 2: Come out play, Wio, come out to play.
00:00:41
Speaker 1: But Worrior.
00:00:45
Speaker 3: All right.
00:00:46
Speaker 4: So this is incredible and I am so excited. That is a picture of an actor back in the seventies. Before that, you saw Mike Rabel and mccollins from the AFC champion New England Patriots in the year twenty twenty six, and it all comes together. That man you're seeing there is sitting with me here in studio in New York City and he is a legend ladies and gentlemen, the inspiration to New England Patriots, David Patrick, Kelly DP.
00:01:14
Speaker 3: How we doing.
00:01:15
Speaker 5: I'm fantastic, Kyle, humbled to be here. Fantastic way to go. Mac. There was you instilled fear in their hearts there. Now we just got to make sure it comes out right for you.
00:01:26
Speaker 6: At the end, we have so.
00:01:28
Speaker 3: Many things to talk about.
00:01:29
Speaker 4: We can't go any further without talking about this beautiful instrument you have.
00:01:32
Speaker 3: What is this and why?
00:01:33
Speaker 6: Well?
00:01:33
Speaker 5: In this crazy times we're living in, I always like to find inspiration and things way older than us. This is from nineteen twenty two, Kyle. This is made in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania by the Wyman Brothers.
00:01:44
Speaker 3: Beautiful w E y m N.
00:01:47
Speaker 5: It's older than Martin guitar. I know you got a Martin guitar, right. This is Pennsylvania. This is Philadelphia. The Wyman Brothers were these German luthiers that lived there in eighteen sixty six they started this company. This is from nineteen twenty two. So it's seen more than all.
00:02:04
Speaker 6: Of us, you know, and which a lot of history. And so I wanted to have it because here feel it, See how heavy it is like it takes.
00:02:12
Speaker 3: Right very just surprisingly.
00:02:13
Speaker 5: It's an amazing so and it's a rare banjo lin so it's a mandolin.
00:02:18
Speaker 6: But it's a banjo as well.
00:02:20
Speaker 3: I love that.
00:02:21
Speaker 4: And you are you are an artist artist, which makes it all the more jarring that we are sitting here, ostensibly on a football show, talking to someone I've watched my entire life, your entire filmography, everything on stage everywhere.
00:02:32
Speaker 3: I'm a huge fan of yours.
00:02:34
Speaker 6: Thank you.
00:02:34
Speaker 4: So I'm thrilled when I'm watching the AFC title game, Yeah, and players and coaches are channeling your voice from the Warriors nineteen seventy nine.
00:02:43
Speaker 3: What has this phenomenon been like for you this week.
00:02:46
Speaker 6: It's pretty great.
00:02:47
Speaker 5: People started to flood in my feet, as you young people say, you know, with all the pictures and everything, and you know, I'm just curious about.
00:02:57
Speaker 6: You know, somebody so young as all you guys are, where it came into their lives.
00:03:03
Speaker 5: Where's the first son they saw that? You know, because I love the Warriors. You know, Walter Hill, you should have him on because he's the football guy, you know. And his great stuntman, Alan Graf is also a fantastic He played for USC and Walter. You know, I was doing last match with Bruce Willing. I'm gonna get off topic here a little bit, but you know, and I told him. My father's name is Robert Corby Kelly. My brother's name is Robert Corby Kelly. His son is Robert Corby Kelly now William Corby.
00:03:36
Speaker 3: Grew up in Detroit like me.
00:03:38
Speaker 5: He went to be a priest at a little French missionary school in Indiana called Notre Dame. This is eighteen sixty, eighteen fifty something like that Civil War broke out. He volunteered to be the chaplain for the fighting Irish in New York city, right who we are right now? The fighting sixty ninth he became their chaplain. He was at Gettysburg. He stood on a rock and blessed all the true He gave them general absolution, north and south. They could all hear each other in those days. And they went out and you know, it was an amazing tragedy out there, you know. But he went back and became the third president of Notre Dame. When I was on the set and last man standing, I told that to Walter Hill. He said, I would have fired you if I'd known that, because I'm a USC guy.
00:04:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, fight on, Yes, I do. I know all about that.
00:04:29
Speaker 6: But he didn't made a good movie.
00:04:31
Speaker 4: You obviously, you're a storyteller by nature, and you've been doing it for decades. Indulge us, dpe Indulge us as all those who are watching and Patriots fans and football fans.
00:04:42
Speaker 3: Tell us the.
00:04:43
Speaker 4: Story of being in New York City in nineteen seventy eight, when you're sitting in that hearse and somehow these end.
00:04:49
Speaker 3: Up in your hands, And what was it.
00:04:52
Speaker 4: Like on set that day? How did it come to that line? And what is the legacy that for you?
00:04:55
Speaker 6: Tell us the story, Well those are too big, you know.
00:04:57
Speaker 3: First of all, it's difficult to do.
00:04:59
Speaker 5: I can't remember what the brand was. But they had very tiny, small, small bottles, and so there was nothing in the script, and they just meet and fight on the boardwalk.
00:05:11
Speaker 6: And Walter said, you know, we need something more here.
00:05:14
Speaker 5: I want you to taunt them a little bit more, you know, And so he gave me a few minutes, and I found under the boardwalk there I found the first of all, I found pigeons.
00:05:23
Speaker 6: I said, I'm gonna hold up because.
00:05:24
Speaker 5: They used to sadly poison the pigeons because it was a danger to the businesses that were out there on the boardwalk on dead pigeons. Yeah, dead pigeons. And so I held up three pigeons. He said, no, no, that's not going to work it. So then I went back and I found these three small beer bottles. And because of my off Broadway experience being at CBGB's for seventy four and seventy five when all the new bands were coming through, you know, I had a great band, and.
00:05:51
Speaker 6: He saw me on Broadway play. This granddad was a sailor. He blew in off the water.
00:06:05
Speaker 5: My father was a farmer and I his only daughter took up with and no good millworking man from Massachuoset and that's a millwork song. James Teeler Rotaval, thank you kindly for a show called Working. The Great Stephen Schwartz put together a show called Working, based on Stud's Tircle's book people talking about what they do all day. That's where Walter Hill Larry Gordon saw me. They said, we're going to have this guy play the villain. I played a crazy character in that play, and so I played Luther and.
00:06:38
Speaker 6: Walter wanted me to sing something to them. I said, well, I can't.
00:06:42
Speaker 3: You know.
00:06:42
Speaker 6: I was at CBG that heard of these crazy.
00:06:44
Speaker 5: People doing stuff. So I said I got to do something different. And so that's the way it came out. And I just clicked those bottles and I give it up.
00:06:53
Speaker 6: To him to keep it in, you know, because you.
00:06:55
Speaker 5: Know the sound crew was going to yeah, you know, I don't know what, you know. I was really shocked that they kept it in.
00:07:02
Speaker 3: It's everywhere. It's legacy.
00:07:03
Speaker 4: It's not just the Patriots, the Golden State Warriors of Channel that people on the street. I'm sure Channel do people still scream. That's at you and try to get you to do it.
00:07:12
Speaker 5: They do, they do, and people, you know, I like some of the people that have taken it up.
00:07:18
Speaker 6: I like the Offspring song keep Them Set Rated.
00:07:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, come out and play.
00:07:23
Speaker 6: Yeah, that one's great. I liked who else did?
00:07:26
Speaker 3: I like?
00:07:27
Speaker 5: There's a number Run the Jewels is a good The group they did an homage to it on the cover there, and there's a few Wutuang Clan put it in one of their songs, you know, so I you know, it's really cool because you know, The Warriors came out at the same time as hip hop was coming up, you know, becoming what it is today, you know, and so they like that and the stylized aspect of it, the western part of it. Walter Hill loves westerns. He calls every movie he makes a Western. That's why I'm glad that I saw the Star on Max Vest. Yes, because Bobby Mannix are great to costume designer just came along and stuck that on me, you know, so they'd know. That was a great deal shorter than most of my She wanted me to stick out as the leader.
00:08:12
Speaker 3: I could tell.
00:08:13
Speaker 4: And it works on there, bottles everythinge on that crew obviously was all in and it looks absolutely amazing.
00:08:20
Speaker 3: DP. I mentioned, I've watched my whole life. You're a funny guy. DP. I like you, So I'm going to ask you about Commando Last. Remember how I asked you. I said I was gonna ask about Commando Last. I lied. Take me back to the mid eighties.
00:08:35
Speaker 4: Please, this is post Terminator Schwartzenegger, pre Predator Schwartzenegger, right, and there he is hanging you off a cliff as Sully.
00:08:44
Speaker 3: Please tell me the story.
00:08:45
Speaker 5: Well, Arnold was a great comic book you know hero. You know, he was Conan was that, and he was you know, he was the percules you know in robots and all kinds of people. He wanted to do something where he was human. So he had the great Alyssa Milano with his daughter. They had this ex.
00:09:06
Speaker 6: Commando thing going on, and you know.
00:09:10
Speaker 5: We were there to drive the story forward, you know, to make sure these horrible decadent mercenaries who were working for this would be Dictator.
00:09:20
Speaker 6: You know, we're driving the story.
00:09:22
Speaker 5: You know that made Arnold, you know, because if he wasn't looking for his daughter, if he wasn't fighting for his family, the story wouldn't have been anything, you know, And so that's how that came about. And I used my training with Marcel Marceau and all my silent movie heroes to hang upside down there wearing the great Benny Dobbins love stunt people, all props to stunt people. Benny Dobbins was the late great guy. Worked for Walter a lot on Red Heaton and a bunch of other things, and he was a cowboy stunt man in the fifties.
00:09:56
Speaker 6: He had this great leather tooled stuntman's belt.
00:09:59
Speaker 5: When they used to play the cowboys and the Indians back then, they would shoot them and.
00:10:03
Speaker 3: Pull them the horse by they're late.
00:10:06
Speaker 5: So I got to wear Benny's belt, and that's what Arnold was holding me upside down on the cliff of Griffith Park, you know, which I love. That's where James Dean had his knife fight and Rebel without a Cause, And there I was hanging upside down, imitating my silent movie heroes, you know, being the bad guy.
00:10:25
Speaker 3: Incredible and a great bad guy. You're such a nice guy and the guy's such a stumbag. You're obviously such a great actor.
00:10:31
Speaker 6: It's insight and from Catholic education.
00:10:33
Speaker 5: You know the via negativa, Kyle, the via negativa. That's the way that you can come around to the good from the bad, you see.
00:10:40
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Mike Rabel knows the via negativa as well. Listen, so many other works, so many other projects. I have to ask you about a seminal movie in the nineties that meant a lot to me as a youth, The Crow. Yeah, so many different reasons. Again, you played a villain, Brandon Lee Ernie Hudson. Could you just tell us a story from The Crow?
00:10:58
Speaker 6: Oh, it can't rain all the time?
00:11:04
Speaker 5: The Sky moon Fall Forever. That's James Seabury's great song that's in. There was a great soundtrack Alex Freuees and James O'Barr who wrote that. I loved it because there was an emotional contact based on a true tragedy that had occurred to James O'Barr.
00:11:24
Speaker 6: Who grew up in Detroit.
00:11:25
Speaker 5: I keep going back to my Detroit and that's why I wanted to do it because one of my great heroes, Martin Score, says, he said, you gotta do things from where you're from.
00:11:35
Speaker 3: Now.
00:11:35
Speaker 6: That was a cartoon version.
00:11:36
Speaker 5: Of course, but there are a lot of elements to it, the stuff that James O'Barr wrote about Detroit in there, and that's one of the main reasons why I wanted to do The Crow. And so Brandon was a great guy, wonderful guy, you know. We talked about training together, you know, and then the tragedy occurred, and I went to visit my brother who lived in England at the time, and went to Shakespeare's house and found Milton's Pardi Lost, illustrated by William Blake at a bookstore right by Shakespeare's house where he wrote King Lear and the Tempest and everything else, and brought that back and we had a break before we could film it.
00:12:17
Speaker 6: We didn't know if we're going to film it.
00:12:18
Speaker 5: We finished it for Brandon for his legacy, and alex freyes let me put that book into the final print that we have and The Crow, you know, so it's Paradise Lost and it's and.
00:12:32
Speaker 6: Yeah, it means a lot.
00:12:34
Speaker 3: It was.
00:12:34
Speaker 5: It was kind of the rebel without a cause for that generation of people, with those that great soundtrack, with all those wonderful songs in there, you know, and and Brandon's legacy, you know, about a sad story.
00:12:47
Speaker 3: It's an incredible answer with song.
00:12:49
Speaker 4: And I really respect you because I know that not all the memories of that movie are pleasant because of what happened.
00:12:54
Speaker 3: You have so many things going on. Is it true?
00:12:56
Speaker 4: I hope it's true that The Warriors, after all these years, is coming to the stage in New York.
00:13:02
Speaker 5: Lynn Manuel mirandam Friend and Isa Davis wrote a beautiful thing.
00:13:08
Speaker 6: We made an album.
00:13:09
Speaker 5: I'm on the album too, with James Remar from the original cast of The Warriors and Shencia wonderful artist, sings this song. It's a great, great song at the end of the play. They're trying to.
00:13:21
Speaker 6: Do it now. It's a great revision.
00:13:24
Speaker 5: You know, it's totally true to the spirit of the original. But it's like a Japanese you know, comic books at all, a Japanese manga. It's like that, like Ghosts of the Machine or something like that.
00:13:37
Speaker 6: No, it's more science.
00:13:38
Speaker 5: Fiction, crazy crazy rebels against awesome technocracy. And so it's a really fantastic thing. And he wrote this great score. And here's a little snippet, a little mashup of the final song that shen Sia sings.
00:13:53
Speaker 7: It goes I Yi I con d No Yo, Ghost of the City, Live Underground.
00:14:11
Speaker 5: Everyone you ever Lost is steal around.
00:14:15
Speaker 6: Yes, you see them in.
00:14:17
Speaker 3: The flicker of the Train for Richard Light here.
00:14:22
Speaker 6: In the Night, in the night, and we're all in.
00:14:28
Speaker 3: The Shame Train. We're taking the Shame train.
00:14:34
Speaker 6: We're all in the Shame train home.
00:14:39
Speaker 3: It's a beautiful thing.
00:14:41
Speaker 5: And the songs are you know, they got wonderful people involved in. They had a lot of the Hippi hip hop people on it.
00:14:49
Speaker 6: Uh and uh so look for that coming up in about a year, you know.
00:14:53
Speaker 3: And broad it's got goosebumps when you're playing that.
00:14:55
Speaker 4: Oh fantasmic mccollins. I want you to learn this song before the Super Bowl. I want you to learn the Banjulin, I want you to learn all the lyrics. Mac cons DEEPK. Do you have anything to say to the New England Patriots before the Super Bowl?
00:15:08
Speaker 5: Strike fear in their hearts, Make it come out the way you want it to come out.
00:15:12
Speaker 1: Come Ten Takes is a production of the NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio. For more iHeartRadio pods, go to the iHeartRadio app, go to Apple go anywhere you like, It'll be there.
Speaker 1: Ten Takes is a production of the NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio.
00:00:28
Speaker 2: Come out play, Wio, come out to play.
00:00:41
Speaker 1: But Worrior.
00:00:45
Speaker 3: All right.
00:00:46
Speaker 4: So this is incredible and I am so excited. That is a picture of an actor back in the seventies. Before that, you saw Mike Rabel and mccollins from the AFC champion New England Patriots in the year twenty twenty six, and it all comes together. That man you're seeing there is sitting with me here in studio in New York City and he is a legend ladies and gentlemen, the inspiration to New England Patriots, David Patrick, Kelly DP.
00:01:14
Speaker 3: How we doing.
00:01:15
Speaker 5: I'm fantastic, Kyle, humbled to be here. Fantastic way to go. Mac. There was you instilled fear in their hearts there. Now we just got to make sure it comes out right for you.
00:01:26
Speaker 6: At the end, we have so.
00:01:28
Speaker 3: Many things to talk about.
00:01:29
Speaker 4: We can't go any further without talking about this beautiful instrument you have.
00:01:32
Speaker 3: What is this and why?
00:01:33
Speaker 6: Well?
00:01:33
Speaker 5: In this crazy times we're living in, I always like to find inspiration and things way older than us. This is from nineteen twenty two, Kyle. This is made in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania by the Wyman Brothers.
00:01:44
Speaker 3: Beautiful w E y m N.
00:01:47
Speaker 5: It's older than Martin guitar. I know you got a Martin guitar, right. This is Pennsylvania. This is Philadelphia. The Wyman Brothers were these German luthiers that lived there in eighteen sixty six they started this company. This is from nineteen twenty two. So it's seen more than all.
00:02:04
Speaker 6: Of us, you know, and which a lot of history. And so I wanted to have it because here feel it, See how heavy it is like it takes.
00:02:12
Speaker 3: Right very just surprisingly.
00:02:13
Speaker 5: It's an amazing so and it's a rare banjo lin so it's a mandolin.
00:02:18
Speaker 6: But it's a banjo as well.
00:02:20
Speaker 3: I love that.
00:02:21
Speaker 4: And you are you are an artist artist, which makes it all the more jarring that we are sitting here, ostensibly on a football show, talking to someone I've watched my entire life, your entire filmography, everything on stage everywhere.
00:02:32
Speaker 3: I'm a huge fan of yours.
00:02:34
Speaker 6: Thank you.
00:02:34
Speaker 4: So I'm thrilled when I'm watching the AFC title game, Yeah, and players and coaches are channeling your voice from the Warriors nineteen seventy nine.
00:02:43
Speaker 3: What has this phenomenon been like for you this week.
00:02:46
Speaker 6: It's pretty great.
00:02:47
Speaker 5: People started to flood in my feet, as you young people say, you know, with all the pictures and everything, and you know, I'm just curious about.
00:02:57
Speaker 6: You know, somebody so young as all you guys are, where it came into their lives.
00:03:03
Speaker 5: Where's the first son they saw that? You know, because I love the Warriors. You know, Walter Hill, you should have him on because he's the football guy, you know. And his great stuntman, Alan Graf is also a fantastic He played for USC and Walter. You know, I was doing last match with Bruce Willing. I'm gonna get off topic here a little bit, but you know, and I told him. My father's name is Robert Corby Kelly. My brother's name is Robert Corby Kelly. His son is Robert Corby Kelly now William Corby.
00:03:36
Speaker 3: Grew up in Detroit like me.
00:03:38
Speaker 5: He went to be a priest at a little French missionary school in Indiana called Notre Dame. This is eighteen sixty, eighteen fifty something like that Civil War broke out. He volunteered to be the chaplain for the fighting Irish in New York city, right who we are right now? The fighting sixty ninth he became their chaplain. He was at Gettysburg. He stood on a rock and blessed all the true He gave them general absolution, north and south. They could all hear each other in those days. And they went out and you know, it was an amazing tragedy out there, you know. But he went back and became the third president of Notre Dame. When I was on the set and last man standing, I told that to Walter Hill. He said, I would have fired you if I'd known that, because I'm a USC guy.
00:04:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, fight on, Yes, I do. I know all about that.
00:04:29
Speaker 6: But he didn't made a good movie.
00:04:31
Speaker 4: You obviously, you're a storyteller by nature, and you've been doing it for decades. Indulge us, dpe Indulge us as all those who are watching and Patriots fans and football fans.
00:04:42
Speaker 3: Tell us the.
00:04:43
Speaker 4: Story of being in New York City in nineteen seventy eight, when you're sitting in that hearse and somehow these end.
00:04:49
Speaker 3: Up in your hands, And what was it.
00:04:52
Speaker 4: Like on set that day? How did it come to that line? And what is the legacy that for you?
00:04:55
Speaker 6: Tell us the story, Well those are too big, you know.
00:04:57
Speaker 3: First of all, it's difficult to do.
00:04:59
Speaker 5: I can't remember what the brand was. But they had very tiny, small, small bottles, and so there was nothing in the script, and they just meet and fight on the boardwalk.
00:05:11
Speaker 6: And Walter said, you know, we need something more here.
00:05:14
Speaker 5: I want you to taunt them a little bit more, you know, And so he gave me a few minutes, and I found under the boardwalk there I found the first of all, I found pigeons.
00:05:23
Speaker 6: I said, I'm gonna hold up because.
00:05:24
Speaker 5: They used to sadly poison the pigeons because it was a danger to the businesses that were out there on the boardwalk on dead pigeons. Yeah, dead pigeons. And so I held up three pigeons. He said, no, no, that's not going to work it. So then I went back and I found these three small beer bottles. And because of my off Broadway experience being at CBGB's for seventy four and seventy five when all the new bands were coming through, you know, I had a great band, and.
00:05:51
Speaker 6: He saw me on Broadway play. This granddad was a sailor. He blew in off the water.
00:06:05
Speaker 5: My father was a farmer and I his only daughter took up with and no good millworking man from Massachuoset and that's a millwork song. James Teeler Rotaval, thank you kindly for a show called Working. The Great Stephen Schwartz put together a show called Working, based on Stud's Tircle's book people talking about what they do all day. That's where Walter Hill Larry Gordon saw me. They said, we're going to have this guy play the villain. I played a crazy character in that play, and so I played Luther and.
00:06:38
Speaker 6: Walter wanted me to sing something to them. I said, well, I can't.
00:06:42
Speaker 3: You know.
00:06:42
Speaker 6: I was at CBG that heard of these crazy.
00:06:44
Speaker 5: People doing stuff. So I said I got to do something different. And so that's the way it came out. And I just clicked those bottles and I give it up.
00:06:53
Speaker 6: To him to keep it in, you know, because you.
00:06:55
Speaker 5: Know the sound crew was going to yeah, you know, I don't know what, you know. I was really shocked that they kept it in.
00:07:02
Speaker 3: It's everywhere. It's legacy.
00:07:03
Speaker 4: It's not just the Patriots, the Golden State Warriors of Channel that people on the street. I'm sure Channel do people still scream. That's at you and try to get you to do it.
00:07:12
Speaker 5: They do, they do, and people, you know, I like some of the people that have taken it up.
00:07:18
Speaker 6: I like the Offspring song keep Them Set Rated.
00:07:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, come out and play.
00:07:23
Speaker 6: Yeah, that one's great. I liked who else did?
00:07:26
Speaker 3: I like?
00:07:27
Speaker 5: There's a number Run the Jewels is a good The group they did an homage to it on the cover there, and there's a few Wutuang Clan put it in one of their songs, you know, so I you know, it's really cool because you know, The Warriors came out at the same time as hip hop was coming up, you know, becoming what it is today, you know, and so they like that and the stylized aspect of it, the western part of it. Walter Hill loves westerns. He calls every movie he makes a Western. That's why I'm glad that I saw the Star on Max Vest. Yes, because Bobby Mannix are great to costume designer just came along and stuck that on me, you know, so they'd know. That was a great deal shorter than most of my She wanted me to stick out as the leader.
00:08:12
Speaker 3: I could tell.
00:08:13
Speaker 4: And it works on there, bottles everythinge on that crew obviously was all in and it looks absolutely amazing.
00:08:20
Speaker 3: DP. I mentioned, I've watched my whole life. You're a funny guy. DP. I like you, So I'm going to ask you about Commando Last. Remember how I asked you. I said I was gonna ask about Commando Last. I lied. Take me back to the mid eighties.
00:08:35
Speaker 4: Please, this is post Terminator Schwartzenegger, pre Predator Schwartzenegger, right, and there he is hanging you off a cliff as Sully.
00:08:44
Speaker 3: Please tell me the story.
00:08:45
Speaker 5: Well, Arnold was a great comic book you know hero. You know, he was Conan was that, and he was you know, he was the percules you know in robots and all kinds of people. He wanted to do something where he was human. So he had the great Alyssa Milano with his daughter. They had this ex.
00:09:06
Speaker 6: Commando thing going on, and you know.
00:09:10
Speaker 5: We were there to drive the story forward, you know, to make sure these horrible decadent mercenaries who were working for this would be Dictator.
00:09:20
Speaker 6: You know, we're driving the story.
00:09:22
Speaker 5: You know that made Arnold, you know, because if he wasn't looking for his daughter, if he wasn't fighting for his family, the story wouldn't have been anything, you know, And so that's how that came about. And I used my training with Marcel Marceau and all my silent movie heroes to hang upside down there wearing the great Benny Dobbins love stunt people, all props to stunt people. Benny Dobbins was the late great guy. Worked for Walter a lot on Red Heaton and a bunch of other things, and he was a cowboy stunt man in the fifties.
00:09:56
Speaker 6: He had this great leather tooled stuntman's belt.
00:09:59
Speaker 5: When they used to play the cowboys and the Indians back then, they would shoot them and.
00:10:03
Speaker 3: Pull them the horse by they're late.
00:10:06
Speaker 5: So I got to wear Benny's belt, and that's what Arnold was holding me upside down on the cliff of Griffith Park, you know, which I love. That's where James Dean had his knife fight and Rebel without a Cause, And there I was hanging upside down, imitating my silent movie heroes, you know, being the bad guy.
00:10:25
Speaker 3: Incredible and a great bad guy. You're such a nice guy and the guy's such a stumbag. You're obviously such a great actor.
00:10:31
Speaker 6: It's insight and from Catholic education.
00:10:33
Speaker 5: You know the via negativa, Kyle, the via negativa. That's the way that you can come around to the good from the bad, you see.
00:10:40
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Mike Rabel knows the via negativa as well. Listen, so many other works, so many other projects. I have to ask you about a seminal movie in the nineties that meant a lot to me as a youth, The Crow. Yeah, so many different reasons. Again, you played a villain, Brandon Lee Ernie Hudson. Could you just tell us a story from The Crow?
00:10:58
Speaker 6: Oh, it can't rain all the time?
00:11:04
Speaker 5: The Sky moon Fall Forever. That's James Seabury's great song that's in. There was a great soundtrack Alex Freuees and James O'Barr who wrote that. I loved it because there was an emotional contact based on a true tragedy that had occurred to James O'Barr.
00:11:24
Speaker 6: Who grew up in Detroit.
00:11:25
Speaker 5: I keep going back to my Detroit and that's why I wanted to do it because one of my great heroes, Martin Score, says, he said, you gotta do things from where you're from.
00:11:35
Speaker 3: Now.
00:11:35
Speaker 6: That was a cartoon version.
00:11:36
Speaker 5: Of course, but there are a lot of elements to it, the stuff that James O'Barr wrote about Detroit in there, and that's one of the main reasons why I wanted to do The Crow. And so Brandon was a great guy, wonderful guy, you know. We talked about training together, you know, and then the tragedy occurred, and I went to visit my brother who lived in England at the time, and went to Shakespeare's house and found Milton's Pardi Lost, illustrated by William Blake at a bookstore right by Shakespeare's house where he wrote King Lear and the Tempest and everything else, and brought that back and we had a break before we could film it.
00:12:17
Speaker 6: We didn't know if we're going to film it.
00:12:18
Speaker 5: We finished it for Brandon for his legacy, and alex freyes let me put that book into the final print that we have and The Crow, you know, so it's Paradise Lost and it's and.
00:12:32
Speaker 6: Yeah, it means a lot.
00:12:34
Speaker 3: It was.
00:12:34
Speaker 5: It was kind of the rebel without a cause for that generation of people, with those that great soundtrack, with all those wonderful songs in there, you know, and and Brandon's legacy, you know, about a sad story.
00:12:47
Speaker 3: It's an incredible answer with song.
00:12:49
Speaker 4: And I really respect you because I know that not all the memories of that movie are pleasant because of what happened.
00:12:54
Speaker 3: You have so many things going on. Is it true?
00:12:56
Speaker 4: I hope it's true that The Warriors, after all these years, is coming to the stage in New York.
00:13:02
Speaker 5: Lynn Manuel mirandam Friend and Isa Davis wrote a beautiful thing.
00:13:08
Speaker 6: We made an album.
00:13:09
Speaker 5: I'm on the album too, with James Remar from the original cast of The Warriors and Shencia wonderful artist, sings this song. It's a great, great song at the end of the play. They're trying to.
00:13:21
Speaker 6: Do it now. It's a great revision.
00:13:24
Speaker 5: You know, it's totally true to the spirit of the original. But it's like a Japanese you know, comic books at all, a Japanese manga. It's like that, like Ghosts of the Machine or something like that.
00:13:37
Speaker 6: No, it's more science.
00:13:38
Speaker 5: Fiction, crazy crazy rebels against awesome technocracy. And so it's a really fantastic thing. And he wrote this great score. And here's a little snippet, a little mashup of the final song that shen Sia sings.
00:13:53
Speaker 7: It goes I Yi I con d No Yo, Ghost of the City, Live Underground.
00:14:11
Speaker 5: Everyone you ever Lost is steal around.
00:14:15
Speaker 6: Yes, you see them in.
00:14:17
Speaker 3: The flicker of the Train for Richard Light here.
00:14:22
Speaker 6: In the Night, in the night, and we're all in.
00:14:28
Speaker 3: The Shame Train. We're taking the Shame train.
00:14:34
Speaker 6: We're all in the Shame train home.
00:14:39
Speaker 3: It's a beautiful thing.
00:14:41
Speaker 5: And the songs are you know, they got wonderful people involved in. They had a lot of the Hippi hip hop people on it.
00:14:49
Speaker 6: Uh and uh so look for that coming up in about a year, you know.
00:14:53
Speaker 3: And broad it's got goosebumps when you're playing that.
00:14:55
Speaker 4: Oh fantasmic mccollins. I want you to learn this song before the Super Bowl. I want you to learn the Banjulin, I want you to learn all the lyrics. Mac cons DEEPK. Do you have anything to say to the New England Patriots before the Super Bowl?
00:15:08
Speaker 5: Strike fear in their hearts, Make it come out the way you want it to come out.
00:15:12
Speaker 1: Come Ten Takes is a production of the NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio. For more iHeartRadio pods, go to the iHeartRadio app, go to Apple go anywhere you like, It'll be there.
