Movie Commentary 6 - Looking for Alibrandi (2000)

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A strange spiralling white light was spotted in the early
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morning sky over Sydney with even sceptical witnesses wondering if
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it was a UFO. They were last seen on the
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beach with a tall man and that's the best description
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police have ever had of him.
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More than 17 years after Harold Holt disappeared into raging
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surf at Cheviot Beach, his widow has finally revealed his
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last romantic words. Gawky, terrifying, mesmerising. That's the way a
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number of Australians have described their alleged encounter with the Yowie.
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It's time for the Weird Crap in Australia podcast. Welcome
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to the Weird Crap in Australia podcast. I'm your host,
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Matthew Soule. Joining me for another episode is, of course,
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Holly Soule. And today we are doing another audio commentary.
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And I was trying to think about this. When was
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the last audio commentary we did? I think it was
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Dots and the Kangaroo.
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I think so, yeah.
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Yeah, from last year. So the film that we are
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going to explore today is the turn of the millennium
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film Looking for Alabrandi about a young girl navigating the
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end of her HSC. which I believe has been renamed now.
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I don't think HSC.
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High School Certificate.
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Is that what it's still called in New South Wales?
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I haven't been to school in almost 20 years. I
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have no idea.
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So it's about a young girl who's navigating the end
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of her HSC and also dealing with moving from a
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teenager to a young adult. Her Italian Catholic background and
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her Italian immigrant family. Living in Sydney as well and
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all the challenges that come with that.
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Based on a book.
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Based on a book, which there's a lot of Australian
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films that I think this sort of falls into a
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bit of a genre because there's another book set in
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the 70s about teenage life as well that I kind
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of feel like Looking for Alabrandi is a spiritual successor
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to and it's Summer Hills Bloom. Summer Heights High? No. No.
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Puberty Blues.
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Puberty Blues, that's the one. Good job. Have you ever
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seen Puberty Blues? Nope. No? But that's exactly what I
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was thinking about. That slice of life teenager genre. And,
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you know, this film as well falls into that sort
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of genre.
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And we're opening up the scene, obviously, with the big
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Italian family making their spaghetti pasta sauce.
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Yes, you've got the nonnas there.
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The nonnas.
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Fresh tomatoes. I'll be curious to see as well what
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you think about this as a Sydney side of the month.
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A few things that you recognize from this film.
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Yes, I've never actually watched this. A quick bit of trivia.
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The Looking for Ella Brandy book is actually one of
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the most stolen books from Australian high school libraries.
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Really? Apparently. I wonder why.
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Well, if it's in Sydney... I can have a few guesses.
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Very few Sydney high schools have a good reputation. Our
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main character, I was watching the menu there a bit.
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She's from Neighbours. She was on Neighbours in the era
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that I was watching it, which was, unfortunately, 20 years ago.
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The actress you mean?
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Yes.
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Yep. What did she play on Neighbours?
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One of the kids.
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One of the kids.
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One of the high school kids.
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I mean, that was the pathway when you were looking
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at being able to move away from, well, to move
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into the Australian film genre, filming, to become an actor
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anywhere around the world, you have to start in Australian soaps.
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And that's what a lot of people are worried about
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now is the fact that things like Neighbours Are Gone,
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Home and Away may follow it eventually. you know, what
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will be the pipeline for Australian actors.
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Sorry, her name is Pia Miranda and I was just
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watching her cutting up a tomato and I'm sure she
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had to do a lot of takes, but I don't
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think she got any better at cutting up a tomato
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as she went. I don't think you'd see very many
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big families having the backyard to be able to do
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stuff like this anymore.
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I mean, that is the question of what does the
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Australian suburban life look like now? I mean, to have
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a large enough backyard in Sydney where you could actually
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put an entire Italian family in is quite difficult.
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And all the equipment needed for bottling stuff.
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Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know, I think that, yeah, you
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would find it incredibly difficult these days.
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Ah, the old biddies talking over the fence.
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Yeah, there's a lot of that sort of stuff where
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I look back on this and I think, well, this
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is very much how I grew up.
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Hills hoist in the background.
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And I think this is something that, you know, maybe
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outside of regional centres, it's getting harder and harder for
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Australians to have this sort of life.
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Well, more and more of us are in apartments. We're
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in apartments. Your brother's in an apartment.
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Our friends are in townhouses, I guess you'd call them. Like,
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big backyards just aren't a thing. The four-foot-high fences just
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aren't a thing.
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That is kind of fascinating, though, that this is the
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most stolen book. I think it must just to, like,
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resonate with people. Yeah.
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Well, got some underboob there. Poor girl. Almost pulled the
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top up.
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Well... I mean... The problem is, and I've brought this
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up before, probably on other audio commentaries, but due to
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4K high resolution, people weren't as worried about that sort
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of thing in film. And now, we're watching this, this
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is a 4K release, which was released by Umbrella, and
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it is one of their beautiful box sets.
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That is Bondi Beach.
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That is Bondi Beach.
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That is 100% Bondi Beach.
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And what I love, I just love these collections. I
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bought a few of them from Umbrella, which is based
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down in Melbourne.
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Yes.
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So you get a bunch of cards from the movie,
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which is always nice. They used to be called lobby cards.
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Because you'd get them in the lobby.
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In the film lobby, but you don't get them anymore.
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And then they produce these beautiful full-color photo booklets that
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go through the film and the behind the scenes, and
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they're really, really good. And then on top of that,
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they have these beautiful hard cardboard cases. So we've got
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a few of these from Umbrella. Not a sponsor. We
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buy them.
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And I'd love them to sponsor us because I think
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their work is fantastic and I love free stuff.
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What's she reading? Life and Times of Tristan and Shandy?
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Looks like it. I don't know.
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Great Expectations?
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Some kind of bullshit HSC book.
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Isn't that usually, it's usually shorthand for young teenage girl is.
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Intelligent.
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I'm trying to think of what the author is. She
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wrote like Murder on the Orange Express.
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Oh, Agatha Christie.
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That's the one. Yeah.
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Anything else you'd like me to guess? Because I'm tough
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for two at the moment.
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You're doing pretty good with your literature.
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I've noticed there's a few phrases in here that you
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probably wouldn't be able to get away with now.
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What were the first?
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The specific one was National Bloody Wog Day.
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It was one that came up.
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Yeah.
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And you're not too old to get slapped, you know.
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Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely.
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Except if you're in Sydney, because I have the feeling
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that those phrases are still used quite often.
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I mean, the origin of wog. is quite interesting in
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and of itself. Like, it stood for Wiley Oriental Gentleman,
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so it was already... I.
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Feel like that's one of those bullshit things that people
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make up.
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No, no, that's where it came from. That's where it's...
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It's not an Australian... Do you think it's an Australian term? No,
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it's not an Australian term. Yeah, so that's where it
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originated from, and it was used... You know, you're going
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back to the prospecting days, like you're talking about the
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Wild Wild West days.
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Oh, you mean when Australia was all white.
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No, no, I don't think it's Australian in origin. I
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think it's American in origin.
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I was thinking more the era, but yeah.
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You know, so yeah, it's like you can't use those
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sort of, those phrases anymore. But yeah, I mean, originally
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they were never, those sort of phrases were never put
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up as a, as a nice thing. They were always
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a nasty thing. Now, if you're watching, if you're watching
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this film with us and you're watching overseas, you'll notice
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that the Australian school kids are all wearing uniforms. That's
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standard across Australia.
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Private, public, doesn't matter.
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I think that's standard across the UK as well.
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I think so. I think the UK is also uniforms.
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I think it's only Americans who can wear.
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Definitely Japan as well.
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I believe China is also uniforms. So I think it's
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just Americans who can't be bothered making people buy uniforms.
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That is not actually a school.
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Are you sure? Yep. Because a lot of Catholic schools, well,
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a lot of Australian Catholic schools actually have a chapel.
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It's in the rocks.
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On the ground. Yes, I figured that there would be
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a lot of you being able to point out. I've
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been there.
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I've been.
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There. There was always the popular girl as well.
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And I'm looking at it now going, yeah, nah.
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But it was, you know, talking about like the early 2000s,
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and this is where I was 12, Holly would have
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been about 10, right?
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2000, I was 10, yes.
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You were 10. And these were the looks, you know,
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the permed blonde hair, especially because I'm thinking about the
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pop stars at the time. You know, it's the Kylie
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Minogue look. Now, I didn't grow up in a Catholic
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school like our titular character, Christina Alibrandi here. I went
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to public school. Holly went to public school as well.
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But I did have friends who have been to Catholic school.
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Now I believe this is passing around the cards. Uh,
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you're getting the saint cards, right? Isn't that the Catholics do? Yeah. Uh,
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saint cards.
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Something like that. Again, never having actually attended any of the, uh, masses.
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I have no idea.
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Yeah. So I believe, yeah. So Saint, Saint Barbara is
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the one that, uh, Christina Alibrandi has there. Uh, The cards,
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I believe, they depict the stories of the saints, how
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they attain their sainthood. And they're handed out, which I
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believe has been a tradition in Catholic Church for some time.
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Certainly not a response to Pokemon.
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Pia Miranda was 27 while filming this.
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How old is she? She's 27. And she's playing 17
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to 18. Yeah. Look, to be fair, though, she doesn't
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look like a 27-year-old.
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Go away, you smarmy witch.
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It must be extremely disturbing, I think, as a 27-year-old
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to go back and play that sort of character and
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relive your high school life.
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Well, she'd already done it in Neighbours. No, she was
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doing it here. Like, poor bugger never managed to get
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out of high school.
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Again, talking about, you know, religious classes, like where are
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you going to have religious classes in Australia? Only in
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private school settings. Yep. That is an expectation. I think
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if just some advice for any of the private school
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kids in Catholic schools right now, You're probably going to
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want to opt in for the Old Testament for your
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last couple of years, for year 11 and 12, because
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it's going to have things far more in common with
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Lord of the Rings than the New Testament. The New
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Testament would probably be better if you really pay attention
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to the doctrines of Jesus Christ.
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That haircut is incredibly familiar to me. My great-grandmother used
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to wear that haircut.
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The haircut on the teacher?
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Yes, on the nun. She wore it for as long
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as I knew her. She also had the same white
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patch at the front.
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All right. So, Ella Brandy's been demolished? Admonished. Admonished. Thank you.
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She's been admonished and told that she's no longer going
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to be in the running for school captain or vice captain.
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Did you have your little school elections? Yeah, we did. Yeah?
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It's still a sore spot 20 years later. Don't talk
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about it.
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Oh, you ran for one, did you? Which year did
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you decide to go for?
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School captain.
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Is that.
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Year 12.
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Year 12, right. But wasn't there representatives in each year?
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I mean, I'm sure every school was different in ours.
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Year 12 was the court. So you had the captains
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and the prefects.
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And, you know, the idea, of course, behind it was to...
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introduce students to how elections would operate.
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No, the idea was that the students would police the
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other students and the teachers didn't have to do as
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much work.
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That never happened. No, it didn't. It was a popularity contest.
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Especially when it was one of the football girls that
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got captain and the football guys that got captain and
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the football friends that got in front and who was
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the biggest troublemakers in the school? Football players.
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I don't even recall... Yeah, I don't even recall.
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To be honest, there weren't very many things other than
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football that was prized at my school, so it had
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to have been football.
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There was always the joke candidate. I wonder if I
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was put forward as a joke candidate.
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We'll have to talk to the friends.
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I can't.
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See if they remember.
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Yeah. Well, see, here's the problem, too. Half of my
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friends left in year 10. Yeah. So, you're obviously talking
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about Gary being one of the last high school friends
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I still talk to. And... I don't think he would, yeah,
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he wouldn't remember because he'd already left at year 10
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at that point. Now, this is an interesting thing as well.
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The idea of taking the private school boys, private school girls,
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putting them together in some sort of, you know, mixer
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sort of scenario. Personally, I don't think segregated schools are
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a great idea.
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Uh, research suggests that it definitely is not a good idea.
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Uh, there are sort of social cues that kids learn, uh,
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as they interact together and it can sometimes, sorry, it's
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just the, uh, this mommy, uh, young boy from the,
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the boys school. So he's joining the young libs. Uh,
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now again, if you're overseas, you know, who, uh, the
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young liberals. The young liberals or the young Labour Party,
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they're young students who usually join up around university. It
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is a way to funnel yourself towards politics. So, for example,
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you would become a young liberal in university, then you
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would move on to being an aide or an assistant
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to a politician, usually you start to make those connections
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in university. And then from there, you can find yourself
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moving your way through parliament and eventually being parachuted into
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a safe electorate if they particularly like you. It's not
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a great way of engaging in democracy. I don't particularly
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like it, but that's why he's referring to there. Now,
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the technique that this film employs a lot, there's animation sequences.
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I didn't talk about that when she was looking at
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the Catholic Saint cards, there's these little animations because, you know,
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our main character is sort of fantasizing about what her
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potential future looks like. And just then there was, you know,
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utilizing the characters that are already established in the film
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in different contexts. So in this one, you know, this,
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this guy that's definitely interested in her, uh, They did
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this sort of mock of her being, you know, the
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first wife to a sitting prime minister. And they do
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that throughout the film. She has these sort of fantasies,
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which I think we can all relate to when we
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were kids, you know, fantasizing about where we would be
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and what we would be doing. Ironically for me, it
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was actually moving to Canberra and having a big German shepherd.
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I did move close to Canberra and I have two cats,
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so it's not that far. What?
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We've still got time.
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Yeah, still got time. Now, they were also showing off
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those beautiful tram shots or train shots, rather, as you're
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going through Sydney there. Those cityscapes are still very much there.
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Ah, the family spy ring. I know all about the
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family spy ring. My grandparents had one. Both sets of
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grandparents had one.
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Yeah. And again, that's why the uniqueness about this film
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is that it is doing these sort of little homages
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to other things. So what Holly's referring to there is
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the family spiring. This is when small communities, they generally
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know each other. And especially within these sort of communities,
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which is the Italian migrant community, they are close-knit. And
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so they would... do this thing of telephone.
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Oh, I saw your granddaughter down the street with this
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strange man the other day.
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Yeah, that's right. Who was this boy you were with? Now,
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to a certain extent, this happened to me as well
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with my grandmother. We all got tattoos when we were 60.
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With your mother. Yeah, with parental permission. And that got
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to my grandmother very quickly. It circulated through school and
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then from school it went straight to my grandmother. You
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experienced the same thing. Your grandparents were... You know, prominent
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figures in Campbelltown because of your grandfather's.
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Smash repairs.
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Smash repairs.
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So they would look after all the cop cars, which
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meant that all the cops knew us.
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Yeah. That's another thing, the old school evaporated air conditioner there.
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Yep.
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Behind the grandmother. But again, like talking about the stylistic
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techniques of this film... you know, the way that they
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were taking photos of her and looking like spies or
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these black and white photos, you know, it utilized these
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really fun sort of like they knew their audience was
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teenagers and they knew it had to be at least
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visually interesting. So it does have these, these things where
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it bounces back and forth between her little sort of
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fantasies as a, as a young person. And I think
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like that, That particular way of Australian filmmaking, I think,
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has more to do with the ABC than it actually
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does with what mainstream Australian filmmaking was at the time. Yeah.
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You know, and it has more to do with, like,
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I think this sort of movie borrows more from Heartbreak
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High and Liftoff and those sort of Australian television film techniques.
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That's Anthony LaPaglia.
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What do we know him from?
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The last thing I saw him in was Nitrum. He
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plays Martin Bryan's depressed father. That was probably the last
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thing I saw him in. But he was a pretty
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big star in the 90s. You would have seen him
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in quite a lot of things. I believe in this film,
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if I remember this correctly, he is an estranged father.
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So he hasn't been home for quite some time and
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is there to visit his mum. Yep. And obviously our
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character there, Alabrani, has some problems with seeing her father.
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Who among us doesn't?
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I mean, this is, yeah, this is not a story
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that's too... unfamiliar to a lot of kids, especially around
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the 2000s, where, you know, you saw a lot of divorce.
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Yeah.
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The family courts had been established into, you know, sort
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of established in the 80s, became mainstream through the 90s. Yeah.
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And so when it hit the early 2000s, the divorce
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rate was very high because, you know, both Holly and myself,
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we come from families of divorce. and a lot of
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the kids that I was going to school with were
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also coming from divorced families at the time. So this
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was very, very normal. Yeah. And very confusing for kids,
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especially when one person would disappear out of their lives. So....
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I'm not seeing football.
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Sorry, Pia. Sorry, Pia Miranda plays Josie. Sorry, Christina is
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her mother. Yes. Look at me getting the main characters wrong. Naughty, naughty. Now,
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this guy you would have seen a lot.
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Yeah, I know this dude.
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Yeah, so he was trying to find his name in
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the list here. Now, this guy in particular... Was very
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popular because he was also in, it would have been
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one of those like heartbreak highs or one of those
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Australian teen dramas.
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I do believe that is the Opera House.
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I've been there. Yes, you have. And not to, like
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it was quite recently actually that I went to the
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Sydney Opera House to go and actually watch an opera. Yes.
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Which I'd never, I do that a lot. I try
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and go and find these little things that I've never done.
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Did you ever go on an excursion to the Opera
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House when you were in Sydney?
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Only to walk up the steps and then keep walking
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around the harbour. Never actually in the Opera House. Unfortunately,
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that's one of the few things that I never actually
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did on my own.
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Sorry, I don't know. So this is what's really interesting about...
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There's sort of a... Fucking 2000s, man. So in her
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life here as well, too, you've got the... Yeah, so
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these are the rough kids, right? These are your public
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school kids. Yeah. How do we know that they're the
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public school kids? They're wearing polo shirts. And they look
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a bit daggy, especially in comparison to the prim and
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proper private school kids. And I mean, this is the
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choice that young people do often face when it comes
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to where are they going to fit in with the
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sort of people that they'll eventually form long-term relationships with.
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And in the case here, you've got your rat bag
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public school boy, Matthew.
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With his little soul patch.
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Oh, the soul patch. What a terrible. Long hair has
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always been an Australian mainstay. Yes, it has.
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Well, it helps to not get sunburned.
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Yeah, absolutely. So, yeah, you've got, you know, Josie, I suppose,
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is sort of now, being introduced to okay these are
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the potential people you're going to meet in life.
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The kid from the wrong side of the tracks.
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Yeah yeah the sort of the the bit more rough
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and tumbly sort of guy and then she's got you
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know the other private school boy who's going her later
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down down one path there.
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I'm actually quite surprised at the amount of representation that's
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in this crowd here it's like you've got the the
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chinese kids you've got the japanese kids you've got the
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islamic kids.
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Well see in in the 1990s like there was a
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lot like in popular media there was this real uh
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push towards making sure that there was multicultural representation and
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you would see that again in children's programming liftoff heartbreak
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high uh you would see it in uh even the
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presenters like the rotating presenters of play school you know
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the idea was to really introduce australia to the idea
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of you know, these, these very multiple, multiple multicultural. Thank you. Uh,
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I always said that I get to edit those bits
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out when I'm not doing something off the cuff, uh,
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which I won't be able to do for this, but yeah,
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you have these multicultural communities, especially in the cities. And
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whereas most of media being produced has been produced in
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the cities. And so, yeah, there was definitely this push
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to reintroduce Australians to this idea of like this multicultural country. Now,
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At the moment, like this is in the 2000s where
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it's an introduction. Now people pretty much feel that this
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is the case and it's become obviously a political football
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that people are kicking around at the moment to justify
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shitty behavior and shitty opinions. And because I was raised
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a lot by pop culture, not that I said my
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parents didn't raise me, but pop culture had a huge
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influence on me you know i always sort of assumed
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the world was was like this ah yes the awkwardness
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when the long estranged father comes home yeah it's.
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Never fun what shaking hands it's your daughter what the fuck.
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That always annoys me I mean, look, the first time
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he's met her in the film, she's run away. So,
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you know, how do you form a bridge between the two?
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And I mean, what's interesting about this as well, like
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even if you come from a situation where you're in
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a divorced family, I'm pretty sure they're divorced. I'm pretty
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sure that's the context. But it's like when you live
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in this sort of very close-knit family, I would imagine
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that regardless of your... your position within the family, you're
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always meant to be at these gatherings. Because for an
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Italian Catholic family to have divorced parents, that would have
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been extraordinary and probably still to this day a point
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of extraordinary contention within a family like that, within that
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cultural setting.
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Well, I can give a little bit of context to
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this one. So this is kind of what my family
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was like growing up. Because my mom and my dad
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00:29:24.900 --> 00:29:28.799
got divorced, mom always said she divorced the son, not
491
00:29:28.819 --> 00:29:31.529
the family. So she was always around in my grandmother's
492
00:29:31.549 --> 00:29:32.490
place doing stuff.
493
00:29:33.150 --> 00:29:35.630
And to this day, they still have a great relationship.
494
00:29:35.670 --> 00:29:37.130
Mom goes around there once a week and helps to
495
00:29:37.150 --> 00:29:37.509
clean up.
496
00:29:39.109 --> 00:29:43.059
I think to a certain extent. even because it's not
497
00:29:43.099 --> 00:29:45.359
my story to tell, and I wouldn't tell it in
498
00:29:45.420 --> 00:29:49.730
a public forum like this, but even for my family
499
00:29:49.789 --> 00:29:54.369
as well, to a certain point, my father would still
500
00:29:54.410 --> 00:29:57.690
help my grandparents out when they needed help with stuff.
501
00:29:59.369 --> 00:30:02.109
It's like you don't just throw away 10, 15 years
502
00:30:02.150 --> 00:30:05.109
of knowing someone just because you're no longer hanging around
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00:30:05.150 --> 00:30:10.109
their kids. Especially in communities like this, again, where everyone
504
00:30:10.170 --> 00:30:14.849
knows everyone, trying to avoid someone is incredibly difficult.
505
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:23.740
And, yeah, so are they actually divorced or are they
506
00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:25.400
just estranged?
507
00:30:25.420 --> 00:30:27.180
I don't know. I haven't caught sight of a ring yet.
508
00:30:27.380 --> 00:30:27.720
No.
509
00:30:30.809 --> 00:30:32.789
She is very, very annoyed with him.
510
00:30:35.269 --> 00:30:41.140
Well, I mean, it's probably an old school assumption is that,
511
00:30:43.160 --> 00:30:45.400
you know, an estranged father can come back into the
512
00:30:45.420 --> 00:30:49.799
situation and sort of demand or expect this level of
513
00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:57.200
familiarity with their children. Yeah. And often this isn't the case.
514
00:30:58.000 --> 00:31:00.220
To lean a little bit on my counseling training a bit,
515
00:31:01.450 --> 00:31:06.339
You do have to participate if you find yourself in
516
00:31:06.390 --> 00:31:09.839
a situation with divorce. I would always hope that when
517
00:31:09.880 --> 00:31:14.660
it comes to two people are divorcing for the right reasons,
518
00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:18.880
the expectation would be that both parents need to negotiate
519
00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:24.950
and compromise and find a way to be parents within
520
00:31:24.990 --> 00:31:30.609
their children's lives. And so if one disappears for a while,
521
00:31:31.170 --> 00:31:35.509
they come back with that expectation that they will be....
522
00:31:38.710 --> 00:31:39.569
The old chamber pot.
523
00:31:40.289 --> 00:31:46.279
Yeah, which is quite unusual. Yes. Right, in modern-day Australia.
524
00:31:46.710 --> 00:31:49.920
What is not unusual, though, is a teenager being expected
525
00:31:49.980 --> 00:31:53.859
to hang out with their grandmother when their grandfather isn't there.
526
00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:55.859
Mm-hmm.
527
00:31:56.559 --> 00:32:00.220
When my grandfather would have to go on trips around Australia.
528
00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:04.460
I would often be asked to stay with my grandmother,
529
00:32:04.660 --> 00:32:09.619
especially on a Friday, Saturday night. And I think nearly
530
00:32:10.859 --> 00:32:14.599
at least once every two visits, there would be someone
531
00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:16.819
trying to break into that house or causing a ruckus
532
00:32:16.859 --> 00:32:17.440
around the house.
533
00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:20.160
Thankfully, not something that my family had to deal with,
534
00:32:21.099 --> 00:32:21.759
as far as I know.
535
00:32:23.819 --> 00:32:26.940
Yeah, living in... It was funny when I moved to Queanbeyan,
536
00:32:26.980 --> 00:32:28.740
I was told, you know, make sure you get like
537
00:32:28.779 --> 00:32:31.380
insurance for theft and it's really bad here, et cetera,
538
00:32:31.420 --> 00:32:35.900
et cetera. And I have had, in my life, I've
539
00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:38.279
had more people trying to do B & Es, break
540
00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:41.420
and enters, when I lived in Tumut than when I've
541
00:32:41.460 --> 00:32:45.029
lived in the city. I've always felt more safer in
542
00:32:45.069 --> 00:32:48.049
the city than I ever did in the country. We
543
00:32:48.069 --> 00:32:51.170
had people try and break and enter when we lived
544
00:32:51.190 --> 00:32:54.509
outside of Tumut at a long road on our property. Yeah.
545
00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:57.759
We had people trying to break into my grandmother's house.
546
00:32:57.839 --> 00:32:59.519
I had people trying to break into the house when
547
00:32:59.539 --> 00:33:02.730
I lived in Richmond Street. And because I was the oldest,
548
00:33:02.809 --> 00:33:04.390
I was often being woken up in the middle of
549
00:33:04.410 --> 00:33:10.529
the night to barricade a door. It happened far too often. Yeah. Honestly,
550
00:33:10.990 --> 00:33:13.069
far too often when I was growing up.
551
00:33:14.670 --> 00:33:17.230
This is also something that I remember being subjected to.
552
00:33:17.690 --> 00:33:20.089
Your grandmother telling you about all.
553
00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:21.859
The men who- Look at all these photos of the family.
554
00:33:21.900 --> 00:33:22.059
Yeah.
555
00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:24.099
And like, wasn't I a looker?
556
00:33:24.140 --> 00:33:24.240
Yeah.
557
00:33:26.599 --> 00:33:27.480
Everyone wants me.
558
00:33:27.619 --> 00:33:31.259
Everyone loves me. To be fair, when your grandmother showed
559
00:33:31.339 --> 00:33:34.900
us her pictures from the Navy, your grandmother was a looker. Yes,
560
00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:42.500
she was. Very much a looker. Very attractive lady in uniform,
561
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:43.400
your grandmother. Yes.
562
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:48.970
Which just goes to show that we always forget that
563
00:33:49.089 --> 00:33:52.089
grandparents were teenagers at one point.
564
00:33:53.890 --> 00:33:56.869
I remember talking to one of, it was a person
565
00:33:56.910 --> 00:33:59.309
I was working with, they were a bit older. And
566
00:33:59.329 --> 00:34:01.930
I remember them talking about feeling like they were still,
567
00:34:02.170 --> 00:34:05.670
like they still felt like they were 17 mentally. Like
568
00:34:05.690 --> 00:34:08.949
they still, not that they were immature, but they still
569
00:34:09.630 --> 00:34:12.570
felt young. Yeah. And when they looked in the mirror,
570
00:34:12.610 --> 00:34:18.920
it got harder and harder to like make that connection
571
00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:21.440
between their mind and what their physical appearance was.
572
00:34:21.460 --> 00:34:22.619
It's a form of dysmorphia.
573
00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:27.119
I mean, that's kind of getting older, isn't it, as
574
00:34:27.179 --> 00:34:30.579
a form of dysmorphia? Yeah. That's a terrible thought, isn't it?
575
00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:32.179
Because the outside no longer matches the inside.
576
00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:37.389
Yeah, yeah. All right, another part of Australian culture. So
577
00:34:37.590 --> 00:34:39.010
right there they are playing.
578
00:34:39.130 --> 00:34:40.210
NRL because it's Sydney.
579
00:34:40.230 --> 00:34:43.150
They are playing rugby league, yes. So if you're living
580
00:34:43.190 --> 00:34:47.030
in Australia, you'll find that the closer you are to Victoria, Melbourne,
581
00:34:47.769 --> 00:34:51.590
you're going to be an AFL family. And then the
582
00:34:51.809 --> 00:34:55.980
further you head towards Sydney, Queensland, you'll find that the
583
00:34:56.159 --> 00:34:58.960
NRL is far more popular.
584
00:34:59.139 --> 00:35:00.539
Yeah, it's definitely an NRL ball.
585
00:35:00.579 --> 00:35:01.420
NRL game, yeah.
586
00:35:03.400 --> 00:35:06.480
Also, the jerseys, I don't think they play in those
587
00:35:06.519 --> 00:35:08.260
heavy jerseys anymore, even the kids.
588
00:35:09.179 --> 00:35:12.340
That's more of a soccer jersey than a football jersey.
589
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:17.460
There you go. See, even the movie's telling you you're.
590
00:35:17.340 --> 00:35:25.889
Wrong, Matthew. I think what's also really interesting here, is,
591
00:35:27.730 --> 00:35:31.190
you know, you've got this young kid. This is the
592
00:35:31.230 --> 00:35:32.650
kid on the right side of the tracks.
593
00:35:32.809 --> 00:35:33.750
Yep.
594
00:35:33.829 --> 00:35:39.280
The very prim and proper. And there is this establishment that,
595
00:35:39.340 --> 00:35:44.300
you know, he can't really talk to Josie. He can't
596
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:48.300
have some downtime. Hey, you're meant to be moving on
597
00:35:48.340 --> 00:35:49.829
to this. You're meant to be moving on to this.
598
00:35:49.849 --> 00:35:52.210
You're meant to be moving on to this. We expect
599
00:35:52.250 --> 00:35:54.449
you to be a politician. We expect you to be
600
00:35:54.489 --> 00:35:57.400
a lawyer. You know, and there's a tremendous amount of
601
00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:01.019
pressure being put on this character. And you can sort
602
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:06.320
of see in the way the actor is dealing with, like,
603
00:36:06.380 --> 00:36:09.300
when he's talking to her, he's very alive and very
604
00:36:09.780 --> 00:36:16.500
sort of happy and invested. And then when he's starting
605
00:36:16.539 --> 00:36:19.000
to refer to, because when you first see him, he
606
00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:21.730
comes across as a little asshole. Yeah. But as the
607
00:36:21.750 --> 00:36:25.650
movie progresses, and especially at this point, he's talking about
608
00:36:25.730 --> 00:36:28.710
how there's a lot of stuff that he has been
609
00:36:28.769 --> 00:36:32.489
expected to do. And when he's with her, he's engaged
610
00:36:33.110 --> 00:36:37.389
and interested. And she's very responsive. But when he's talking
611
00:36:37.409 --> 00:36:41.860
about his home life, he's talking about them going through
612
00:36:42.579 --> 00:36:47.380
his mail. He's talking about not having that little bit
613
00:36:47.420 --> 00:36:51.179
of amenity within his own home. which is very difficult
614
00:36:51.219 --> 00:36:55.599
for teenagers. This is not just related to Australian teenagers,
615
00:36:55.659 --> 00:36:59.130
but teenagers across the world, where as they're becoming adults,
616
00:36:59.250 --> 00:37:02.989
they do need that little bit of space to find
617
00:37:03.030 --> 00:37:05.590
themselves a little bit of privacy, a little bit of
618
00:37:05.650 --> 00:37:07.610
leeway to make some silly decisions.
619
00:37:08.170 --> 00:37:10.090
So, Prim and Proper Kid?
620
00:37:10.369 --> 00:37:10.550
Yep.
621
00:37:11.670 --> 00:37:14.130
He is played by Matthew Newton. You want to have
622
00:37:14.150 --> 00:37:14.789
a guess at his dad?
623
00:37:15.250 --> 00:37:19.269
Yes, so this is quite interesting. I thought it might
624
00:37:19.289 --> 00:37:23.829
have been Matthew Newton. So he is the son of
625
00:37:23.929 --> 00:37:26.150
Burt Newton, who passed away a few years ago. Burt
626
00:37:26.570 --> 00:37:32.130
Newton was considered the Australian host of hosts. Burt Newton
627
00:37:32.170 --> 00:37:38.909
was a comedian that transitioned into late-night television host. From that,
628
00:37:39.030 --> 00:37:43.519
he eventually moved into a very popular, successful breakfast show. Yep.
629
00:37:44.849 --> 00:37:46.449
He was a host of that for a very long
630
00:37:46.510 --> 00:37:50.090
time and was Australian celebrity royalty. And he was an
631
00:37:50.650 --> 00:37:53.570
entertainer that moved from the black and white era into
632
00:37:53.610 --> 00:37:56.849
late night television and from late night television into morning television,
633
00:37:56.889 --> 00:38:01.570
where morning television in Australia was a huge deal. It
634
00:38:01.670 --> 00:38:06.630
was a big, big deal. Now, his son has had
635
00:38:06.650 --> 00:38:12.269
a lot of troubles. He is diagnosed with bipolar disorder.
636
00:38:13.300 --> 00:38:19.239
He has also been a drug addict and it's been alleged,
637
00:38:19.300 --> 00:38:23.119
and I believe a conviction was granted as well. Sorry,
638
00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:28.489
not granted. A conviction was passed. Recorded. Recorded for violent
639
00:38:28.550 --> 00:38:32.769
assault towards his partner, who was also an actress, from
640
00:38:33.050 --> 00:38:36.469
Home and Away. Last thing I saw him in, I
641
00:38:37.150 --> 00:38:40.329
think it was either season two or three of Underbelly.
642
00:38:41.320 --> 00:38:45.719
He is one of the criminals working with the Italian mafia.
643
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:47.699
Clark, also known as Mr.
644
00:38:47.780 --> 00:38:50.380
Asia. That's the one. Yep, that's the one.
645
00:38:51.019 --> 00:38:52.199
And I did that off the top of my head.
646
00:38:55.219 --> 00:38:58.480
And so, yeah, he's had a very, very troubled life.
647
00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:05.199
Very troubled life. Now, this is really interesting, too. Mm-hmm. So,
648
00:39:05.260 --> 00:39:08.679
this is quite a hell of a mixer here, where
649
00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:15.969
you have multiple... schools private schools private school public school
650
00:39:17.010 --> 00:39:20.269
they're having a big formal which is i i.
651
00:39:20.670 --> 00:39:22.590
Don't think never mixed with anyone else.
652
00:39:22.449 --> 00:39:25.809
Yeah i can't remember that either i went to my
653
00:39:25.849 --> 00:39:28.150
year 10 because we did two formals we did a
654
00:39:28.170 --> 00:39:30.869
year 10 formal because that's where some people were leaving
655
00:39:31.570 --> 00:39:34.489
after year 10. They were moving on to what we
656
00:39:34.530 --> 00:39:37.929
called as tech back in the day or technical school,
657
00:39:37.969 --> 00:39:44.239
which is TAFE or vocational education. So we had that one.
658
00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:52.239
And I attended year 10 and was– they did these, um,
659
00:39:53.409 --> 00:39:57.360
they did these like certificates for everyone. Right. Like throughout
660
00:39:57.380 --> 00:40:00.400
the dinner, it was like, Oh, you know, this, this
661
00:40:00.500 --> 00:40:03.639
is like, Gary was a gymnast, for example, my friend.
662
00:40:04.539 --> 00:40:08.349
So he got like the best gymnast award and my
663
00:40:08.389 --> 00:40:10.210
name was soul. So I was right at the end
664
00:40:10.389 --> 00:40:13.869
and I was sweating bullets because I was a, I
665
00:40:13.909 --> 00:40:16.219
was a kid who was picked on in school. I
666
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:18.880
also didn't do myself any favors because I was very
667
00:40:18.920 --> 00:40:26.550
socially awkward. And so, yes, I was sweating bullets until
668
00:40:26.610 --> 00:40:28.230
it got to my name. But because I was a
669
00:40:28.250 --> 00:40:35.409
big film enthusiast, I got Matthew Soule, director extraordinaire or
670
00:40:35.449 --> 00:40:37.309
something like that because I'd done a couple of little
671
00:40:37.369 --> 00:40:40.369
weirdo short films. So I got very lucky.
672
00:40:40.670 --> 00:40:42.889
I was voted most likely to end up in parliament.
673
00:40:44.710 --> 00:40:50.019
That's weird. I suppose it's because of your love of history, maybe.
674
00:40:50.820 --> 00:40:52.639
I think it's because they knew I was good at
675
00:40:52.659 --> 00:40:53.869
a fight, but that's about it.
676
00:40:53.880 --> 00:41:02.000
Yeah, you say when Newton's character is further distanced from
677
00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:02.800
what's going on.
678
00:41:03.510 --> 00:41:08.650
So another one of those things. Underbelly is definitely the
679
00:41:08.909 --> 00:41:10.730
Game of Thrones of Australian TV.
680
00:41:11.210 --> 00:41:11.909
Oh, absolutely.
681
00:41:12.250 --> 00:41:15.309
Because the blonde with the curly hair, Carly, she was
682
00:41:15.349 --> 00:41:19.170
also in Underbelly. She was one of the detectives, Detective
683
00:41:19.210 --> 00:41:19.659
Pam Young.
684
00:41:22.659 --> 00:41:26.159
You know, I think that like, yeah, I don't think
685
00:41:26.199 --> 00:41:29.380
they do many of them. I think the last underbelly
686
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:32.739
that came out was a special, which was predominantly about
687
00:41:32.780 --> 00:41:33.480
Chopper Reed.
688
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:35.260
Yeah.
689
00:41:35.690 --> 00:41:37.869
It's incredible casting to say a 27-year-old.
690
00:41:39.780 --> 00:41:40.760
Convincingly doing this.
691
00:41:40.780 --> 00:41:44.980
Convincingly playing a teenager because she does genuinely come across
692
00:41:45.260 --> 00:41:46.219
as a teenager.
693
00:41:46.340 --> 00:41:47.280
She has baby fists.
694
00:41:48.619 --> 00:41:55.389
Yeah. And see, for Newton's character, they're demonstrating further isolation.
695
00:41:56.349 --> 00:42:01.389
It's a very... If you really pay attention to what's
696
00:42:01.429 --> 00:42:04.880
going on, what is coming up for that character will
697
00:42:04.909 --> 00:42:09.760
make a lot of sense. But it's kind of incredible...
698
00:42:09.929 --> 00:42:12.050
how well they do it because if you're not paying
699
00:42:12.110 --> 00:42:19.050
attention to his eventual um character plot point.
700
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:23.099
Um matthew's trying not to spoil it because i've never
701
00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:23.739
actually seen this.
702
00:42:23.699 --> 00:42:28.300
Yeah the end i'll go back through it so just
703
00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:30.820
like these little shots here like just keep these little
704
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:33.369
shots in mind as he's sort of walking into the
705
00:42:33.690 --> 00:42:38.550
the darkness there by himself recognize any of these areas
706
00:42:39.670 --> 00:42:44.510
I love watching Sydney films from Sydney or based in
707
00:42:44.570 --> 00:42:47.519
Sydney or filmed in Sydney with Holly because Holly can
708
00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:49.380
be like, oh, that's this, that's this, that's this.
709
00:42:49.420 --> 00:42:51.460
Mind you, it has changed a lot in 20 years.
710
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:56.059
And even when I was wandering around, it was still five,
711
00:42:56.079 --> 00:42:56.980
six years after this.
712
00:42:58.909 --> 00:42:59.889
So the little joke there.
713
00:42:59.909 --> 00:43:01.809
That Henry Jackson's definitely not there anymore, I can tell
714
00:43:01.849 --> 00:43:02.190
you that though.
715
00:43:02.829 --> 00:43:06.409
And Pizza Hut, that wouldn't be there anymore either. Because
716
00:43:06.449 --> 00:43:08.829
where are we now in Sydney with these two characters?
717
00:43:10.630 --> 00:43:11.789
Just north of Chinatown.
718
00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:17.119
Right. Yeah, I thought so because I remember being there
719
00:43:17.219 --> 00:43:23.780
in the later 2000s, maybe 2008, 2009. Now, there's a
720
00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:27.650
little joke there that keeps coming up because her parents
721
00:43:27.710 --> 00:43:33.769
have this sort of estranged relationship. There's this sort of
722
00:43:33.809 --> 00:43:36.130
joke within a family or this warning in a family
723
00:43:36.190 --> 00:43:41.019
about dating guys. uh, who own a panel van. Right. And,
724
00:43:41.460 --> 00:43:43.789
and of course, because I think all of us, like,
725
00:43:44.369 --> 00:43:46.230
you know, if a guy rocks up with a panel van,
726
00:43:46.349 --> 00:43:50.309
you know, it's a, it's a mobile shag and wagon. Um,
727
00:43:50.389 --> 00:43:54.949
there's the, the Italian mafia, uh, her personal Italian mafia.
728
00:43:55.429 --> 00:43:59.619
They're all there, uh, to make sure she's, uh, the
729
00:43:59.659 --> 00:44:04.550
gossip network is, is running. Yeah. Um, And what's really
730
00:44:04.610 --> 00:44:07.309
interesting here, too, is, like, you know, being fearful of
731
00:44:07.690 --> 00:44:12.150
the man with the panel van, but not being particularly
732
00:44:12.190 --> 00:44:15.969
worried about, you know, being on a motorcycle is kind
733
00:44:16.010 --> 00:44:23.860
of unreal to me. Oh, God. You know, they've done
734
00:44:23.900 --> 00:44:26.840
some AMAs with doctors who work in the AR, and
735
00:44:26.860 --> 00:44:28.380
you know what most of them have said?
736
00:44:28.699 --> 00:44:30.610
They will never get on a bike, no matter what.
737
00:44:30.619 --> 00:44:33.650
They would never let their children get on a motorcycle, yeah. Yeah.
738
00:44:35.590 --> 00:44:37.690
Where are we now? Where are we driving across here
739
00:44:37.730 --> 00:44:41.340
with our two characters? That's the iconic shot from the film. Yeah.
740
00:44:41.449 --> 00:44:43.679
That was the one that was used on all the posters.
741
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:45.739
The chin over the shoulder.
742
00:44:45.980 --> 00:44:50.579
Yeah. Because we're going over the Harbour Bridge now, aren't we? No,
743
00:44:50.659 --> 00:44:52.260
this is not the Harbour Bridge. Are you sure? Because
744
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:53.420
that's a big flag there.
745
00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:55.389
Because this is not the way that the Harbour Bridge looks.
746
00:44:55.820 --> 00:44:57.849
You know the Harbour Bridge is an arch.
747
00:44:58.389 --> 00:45:00.269
I very rarely go over the Harbour Bridge.
748
00:45:00.750 --> 00:45:05.170
Whereas this is a suspension bridge, which makes it Darling Harbour.
749
00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:09.219
Darling Harbour, yeah. I thought so. We would have went
750
00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:12.090
over there when we went to Vivid. I think we
751
00:45:12.110 --> 00:45:16.329
went over that, if I recall. It's been quite some time.
752
00:45:16.710 --> 00:45:19.630
Getting those shots on that bridge would have been very difficult.
753
00:45:19.730 --> 00:45:22.260
This would have been like 3 a.m. on a Saturday morning.
754
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:25.599
It would have had to have been very early in
755
00:45:25.619 --> 00:45:29.300
the morning to get those sort of shots. A lot
756
00:45:29.380 --> 00:45:31.820
of films will try and do a bit of a trick,
757
00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:37.579
which is filming day for night, which is terrible. I
758
00:45:37.619 --> 00:45:40.519
think we've done audio commentaries before where I've pointed out
759
00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:43.969
day-for-night shots. But that's not a day-for-night shot.
760
00:45:44.010 --> 00:45:44.969
No, that's a night-for-night.
761
00:45:45.309 --> 00:45:48.849
That's absolutely in the night. You wouldn't be able to
762
00:45:48.869 --> 00:45:49.429
get those shots.
763
00:45:49.469 --> 00:45:52.090
This is Coggera, and I know exactly where this is.
764
00:45:53.309 --> 00:45:57.300
Right. Coggera is North Shore. Right, right.
765
00:45:58.300 --> 00:45:59.019
Rich Sydney.
766
00:45:59.420 --> 00:46:02.190
Rich part of Sydney, Coggera. And how do you know
767
00:46:02.230 --> 00:46:05.269
that specific spot? Because that looks like a make-out spot.
768
00:46:05.510 --> 00:46:07.030
Mum used to clean cars there.
769
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:08.780
Right, so you'd go in with your mum to clean
770
00:46:08.820 --> 00:46:09.239
cars in Cobra?
771
00:46:09.260 --> 00:46:13.219
So I'd go in there once every three weekends because
772
00:46:13.239 --> 00:46:15.440
she would clean the rich people's car with her waterless
773
00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:17.980
car washing business right in the middle.
774
00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:26.860
Of the drought. Scholarships for private schools, I think, still exist.
775
00:46:27.219 --> 00:46:29.699
I believe so. I mean, you can get a scholarship
776
00:46:29.739 --> 00:46:35.059
for most things nowadays. Or at least they're available, whether
777
00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:40.780
or not you can actually get them. Going in for
778
00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:42.119
the kiss, hesitation.
779
00:46:42.139 --> 00:46:50.260
Oh, and then, yeah, nagging came straight in as soon
780
00:46:50.320 --> 00:46:54.469
as he didn't get his kiss, which is quite interesting.
781
00:46:54.590 --> 00:46:56.329
You're not my type, but I just spent the whole
782
00:46:56.369 --> 00:46:59.429
night courting you, taking you out to the dance, jumping
783
00:46:59.469 --> 00:47:03.329
on the motorcycle. Uh, but yeah.
784
00:47:03.909 --> 00:47:05.909
Oh my God. 2000s high school.
785
00:47:09.230 --> 00:47:19.340
Yeah. And yeah, it's, it's a real, it's very interesting.
786
00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:23.110
Like the, you know, private life, public life, uh, yeah.
787
00:47:23.179 --> 00:47:27.409
Private school, public school, what's acceptable, what's not acceptable, uh,
788
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:33.489
Have you ever seen him, like, he has one of
789
00:47:33.530 --> 00:47:35.750
those faces, but I don't recall seeing that actor in
790
00:47:35.789 --> 00:47:36.349
anything else.
791
00:47:37.349 --> 00:47:40.070
Let me have a look. I've never seen him. I
792
00:47:40.090 --> 00:47:41.289
don't remember ever seeing him.
793
00:47:41.750 --> 00:47:44.269
I mean, Newton had a career. He just sunk his
794
00:47:44.309 --> 00:47:45.050
fucking career.
795
00:47:45.289 --> 00:47:46.710
He also looks a lot like his dad.
796
00:47:46.949 --> 00:47:47.199
Yeah.
797
00:47:48.030 --> 00:47:49.820
Especially with the comb over.
798
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:55.139
Like, he was generally considered a good actor. And there was,
799
00:47:56.639 --> 00:47:59.639
you know, like in his character John here, like you
800
00:47:59.659 --> 00:48:07.079
can see, His very early leanings towards being an interesting actor,
801
00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:12.699
but yeah, he just could not get his self under control.
802
00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:14.590
So his name is Kick Gurry.
803
00:48:15.329 --> 00:48:18.550
Kick Gurry. Yes, he was in- His first name is
804
00:48:18.630 --> 00:48:22.250
Kick as in K-I-C-K? Yes. Wow. Is that a name?
805
00:48:22.289 --> 00:48:23.190
Can you have that as.
806
00:48:23.230 --> 00:48:26.929
A- Apparently, the Victorian government allowed him to put on
807
00:48:26.949 --> 00:48:27.719
a birth certificate. Oh, okay.
808
00:48:27.739 --> 00:48:27.960
Okay.
809
00:48:28.469 --> 00:48:30.460
Jupiter Ascending, Edge of Tomorrow.
810
00:48:30.619 --> 00:48:34.019
Wait, Jupiter Ascending. Yeah. Have I seen Jupiter Ascending? Oh,
811
00:48:34.059 --> 00:48:37.679
that's the, Jupiter Ascending, that's that terrible film where Mila
812
00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:40.400
Kunis falls in love with Channing Tatum, who's a wolf man.
813
00:48:40.420 --> 00:48:41.920
I have no idea.
814
00:48:41.940 --> 00:48:44.300
Isn't that it? And she's meant to be queen of
815
00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:45.170
the bees.
816
00:48:45.829 --> 00:48:46.389
I have no idea.
817
00:48:46.409 --> 00:48:48.070
I think it was directed by the Wachowskis.
818
00:48:48.130 --> 00:48:51.590
You've definitely seen Edge of Tomorrow, though. That's the Tom Cruise.
819
00:48:51.769 --> 00:48:55.849
Yeah, Edge of Tomorrow is a great science fiction film. Really,
820
00:48:55.909 --> 00:48:59.900
really good. Ah, the old bottle dyeing. What are we
821
00:48:59.940 --> 00:49:04.090
trying to achieve here? A bit of red. Do you
822
00:49:04.110 --> 00:49:05.090
have a bottle dye, Holly?
823
00:49:05.630 --> 00:49:05.909
Me?
824
00:49:06.070 --> 00:49:06.309
Yeah.
825
00:49:06.329 --> 00:49:07.429
How else do you think I was going to get
826
00:49:07.449 --> 00:49:08.510
my hair black in high school?
827
00:49:08.670 --> 00:49:11.349
That's right. I've seen the pictures of you with the
828
00:49:11.369 --> 00:49:13.599
jet black hair. Forgot about that.
829
00:49:17.099 --> 00:49:19.119
Yeah, otherwise this is the biggest thing that he's been in.
830
00:49:19.139 --> 00:49:22.500
A speed racer.
831
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:28.739
So he's been in a few things, but hasn't been
832
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:29.480
in much since.
833
00:49:31.219 --> 00:49:32.949
He does a little bit of directing now and then,
834
00:49:32.969 --> 00:49:38.110
but he's only done one thing. His last credit was...
835
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:52.710
The TV series called Court, C-A-U-G-H-T. Oh, 2000s, man.
836
00:49:54.809 --> 00:49:59.150
Ripping clothing, when you're presented with rips in clothing, that
837
00:49:59.170 --> 00:50:00.510
was considered quite rough. Yeah.
838
00:50:00.570 --> 00:50:00.829
Yeah.
839
00:50:04.300 --> 00:50:07.820
There's the old Village Cinemas. That was when Village still
840
00:50:07.860 --> 00:50:16.059
owned cinemas, which they don't anymore. So, Village is an
841
00:50:16.139 --> 00:50:21.880
Australian film distributor and co-financer. They have lost a shit
842
00:50:21.920 --> 00:50:24.440
ton of money over the last couple of years, mostly
843
00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:29.880
through failed DC Comics projects that they co-funded. They own
844
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:34.489
or are co-owners of Warner Brothers Movie World in Queensland,
845
00:50:35.269 --> 00:50:38.690
which right next to Movie World is also the sound
846
00:50:38.730 --> 00:50:41.449
stages for a lot of films, being one of the
847
00:50:41.489 --> 00:50:47.940
most recent ones. Oh, my God. Well, this is, yeah,
848
00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:56.780
this is this back and forth of, you know.
849
00:50:56.800 --> 00:50:59.250
The company will kill you.
850
00:50:59.429 --> 00:51:00.050
It's a big story.
851
00:51:13.900 --> 00:51:15.539
The dad has shown up again for those who are
852
00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:16.820
not actually watching at the same time.
853
00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:23.869
Yeah. Because her dad is that kid.
854
00:51:24.369 --> 00:51:27.090
What is it with estranged dads and driving around in
855
00:51:27.170 --> 00:51:29.769
rich people cars? Mine drove around in a blue Jaguar.
856
00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:33.500
Dad didn't. Yeah.
857
00:51:33.519 --> 00:51:35.699
Your dad had a statesman he was working on.
858
00:51:35.719 --> 00:51:38.800
In his later life. But most of the time he'd
859
00:51:38.840 --> 00:51:41.610
pick us up in like the carpet cleaning van and
860
00:51:41.650 --> 00:51:42.190
stuff like that.
861
00:51:42.210 --> 00:51:45.050
He still ended up with one at one point. Whether
862
00:51:45.090 --> 00:51:46.269
or not it would work is.
863
00:51:46.170 --> 00:51:53.210
A different question. And I mean, this is, you know, yeah,
864
00:51:53.389 --> 00:51:57.570
it's one of those interesting things, I suppose, where you're all.
865
00:51:57.769 --> 00:52:00.949
She still doesn't look... 27, but she's getting closer now
866
00:52:00.989 --> 00:52:01.769
with the glasses on.
867
00:52:01.949 --> 00:52:05.489
The glasses definitely make her look a bit older. It's
868
00:52:05.530 --> 00:52:07.929
always nice seeing these shots of Sydney because we've been
869
00:52:07.949 --> 00:52:08.489
to Sydney quite often.
870
00:52:08.510 --> 00:52:11.550
Those are the old Sydney trains way back when. They
871
00:52:11.590 --> 00:52:14.849
replaced them all for Sydney 2000 Olympics. Well, they replaced
872
00:52:14.869 --> 00:52:15.230
some of them.
873
00:52:15.550 --> 00:52:20.849
We didn't really talk about her antagonist. Well, yes, Central Station.
874
00:52:21.210 --> 00:52:24.969
We didn't really talk about her antagonist in the film
875
00:52:25.030 --> 00:52:28.199
as well, the blonde girl with the curly hair. Harley.
876
00:52:29.849 --> 00:52:33.760
appearing in these magazines. And these magazines really aren't something
877
00:52:33.780 --> 00:52:36.940
that is common anymore. There were a lot of teenage
878
00:52:36.980 --> 00:52:39.079
girl magazines when I was growing up.
879
00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:44.480
Girlfriend, I remember being hanging around. I don't remember any others.
880
00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:45.679
Dolly Magazine?
881
00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:48.610
Dolly Magazine was a big one. What was the one
882
00:52:48.630 --> 00:52:50.469
that always had sex advice in it?
883
00:52:50.750 --> 00:52:51.710
I think that was Girlfriend.
884
00:52:52.369 --> 00:52:53.590
No, there was another one.
885
00:52:54.760 --> 00:52:56.699
I don't know. I'll have to think on that. I
886
00:52:56.739 --> 00:52:58.460
never read them, so I don't know. It was just
887
00:52:58.480 --> 00:53:00.000
what I saw hanging around with the other girls.
888
00:53:00.019 --> 00:53:03.659
I was only talking to a friend about this. Our
889
00:53:03.840 --> 00:53:09.289
library had a subscription to Rolling Stone. And I loved
890
00:53:09.349 --> 00:53:12.409
Rolling Stone magazine. It always had one or two movie
891
00:53:12.449 --> 00:53:17.130
reviews in the back. It was talking about just broad
892
00:53:17.170 --> 00:53:21.190
pop culture. I love Rolling Stone. We're actually very lucky
893
00:53:21.250 --> 00:53:25.460
with our library library. We were able to submit, like,
894
00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:28.579
purchase requests. Yep. And so at the end of the month,
895
00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:30.340
they would usually pull up a couple of things. It
896
00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:32.099
was how I read a lot of graphic novels back
897
00:53:32.139 --> 00:53:32.500
in the day.
898
00:53:34.280 --> 00:53:36.599
Thankfully for me, I was a library monitor, so I
899
00:53:36.639 --> 00:53:37.500
could do whatever I wanted.
900
00:53:38.679 --> 00:53:40.789
Well, you were just ordering books for your library, were you?
901
00:53:41.030 --> 00:53:43.630
No, but I had a direct line to the librarians,
902
00:53:43.670 --> 00:53:45.639
and if it sounded like a good idea, they'd get it.
903
00:53:45.650 --> 00:53:48.250
I wonder if he's as scared as I am about
904
00:53:48.269 --> 00:53:48.690
looking back.
905
00:53:52.789 --> 00:53:55.610
So two characters are exchanging these sort of notes and
906
00:53:55.630 --> 00:53:58.590
they're like, you know, read these at the end of
907
00:53:58.630 --> 00:54:01.869
the year. It's always an interesting concept. Like I'm going
908
00:54:01.889 --> 00:54:04.590
to put my feelings down there or write my things
909
00:54:04.670 --> 00:54:09.519
today and then, you know, read about it a year ago. Oh,
910
00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:10.780
a porto.
911
00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:14.059
Welcome to its flagship store.
912
00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:15.780
It would have had to have been, right?
913
00:54:16.639 --> 00:54:20.340
I mean, it'd be close. Or at the very least,
914
00:54:20.679 --> 00:54:22.500
the first time I ever had a Porto.
915
00:54:22.539 --> 00:54:24.280
Not an ad for a Porto, by the way.
916
00:54:24.440 --> 00:54:28.019
First time I ever encountered a Porto was in Canberra.
917
00:54:28.639 --> 00:54:31.760
That's interesting because the first time I ever encountered a
918
00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:35.239
Porto or the famous, their slogan for a long time
919
00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:37.159
was the Bondi Burger, wasn't it? Yeah.
920
00:54:37.219 --> 00:54:40.039
Well, that's their flagship burger.
921
00:54:40.239 --> 00:54:45.659
It was. We went to a Darling Harbour. A, Darling Harbor.
922
00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:47.360
We went to the Darling Harbor. It would have been
923
00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:50.860
a supernova convention. This was before you. And I think
924
00:54:50.880 --> 00:54:53.019
we went over to like a time zone to play
925
00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:57.719
some arcade games. And yeah, there was a Porto Burger.
926
00:54:59.889 --> 00:55:02.989
I was back when, now Holly's the train navigator. And
927
00:55:03.050 --> 00:55:06.949
thankfully I don't have that pressure anymore. But that was me.
928
00:55:07.489 --> 00:55:11.710
I had to organize the trains and whatnot. Go in
929
00:55:11.769 --> 00:55:12.429
and out of Sydney.
930
00:55:18.280 --> 00:55:23.019
I'm a bit worried about what's going down here.
931
00:55:26.389 --> 00:55:30.570
Yeah, so Josie's walked into school and everyone is very
932
00:55:30.610 --> 00:55:34.429
sad and they're discussing John.
933
00:55:38.550 --> 00:55:39.210
The kid?
934
00:55:39.550 --> 00:55:47.079
Yep. So this was what I was talking about Uh,
935
00:55:47.349 --> 00:55:48.869
and this is what I don't want to give away,
936
00:55:49.130 --> 00:55:51.880
especially for people like don't listen to an audio commentary
937
00:55:51.889 --> 00:55:55.360
and watch a film for the first time. That's lunacy. Uh,
938
00:55:55.500 --> 00:55:59.780
this is a pivotal moment for Josie, uh, in this movie.
939
00:56:00.099 --> 00:56:06.159
And they have been very, very clever at the way
940
00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:10.260
that John is shot and the scenes that John is in. Um,
941
00:56:11.380 --> 00:56:14.550
this is a foregone conclusion. If you've watched this film before, um,
942
00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:19.360
As I mentioned, if you watch every scene that he's in,
943
00:56:20.309 --> 00:56:29.110
he is very alive with Josie, but is not interacting
944
00:56:29.150 --> 00:56:33.170
with the world around him. Yeah. This is also the
945
00:56:33.250 --> 00:56:43.460
start of suicide awareness, which it became more prominent to
946
00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:49.289
discuss you know, mental health in Australian culture starting around
947
00:56:49.329 --> 00:56:50.030
this time.
948
00:56:50.230 --> 00:56:51.989
Especially boys and men.
949
00:56:52.769 --> 00:56:58.489
Absolutely. Men are still, I believe men are still statistically
950
00:56:59.329 --> 00:57:04.199
more likely to commit suicide. You know, while there's a
951
00:57:04.239 --> 00:57:10.360
lot of men are bad these days, some justified reasons,
952
00:57:10.420 --> 00:57:15.579
some unjustified reasons, men's suicide rates are quite high, especially
953
00:57:15.619 --> 00:57:24.219
in Australia. And yeah, you know, this is the first
954
00:57:24.280 --> 00:57:29.239
time that I think Josie is experiencing, you know, because
955
00:57:29.260 --> 00:57:33.860
this film has transitioned. And unfortunately for some of us
956
00:57:33.920 --> 00:57:40.230
at a very young age, you do encounter these sort
957
00:57:40.250 --> 00:57:45.599
of situations. where you find yourself losing classmates. One of
958
00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:50.800
my classmates committed suicide. I think I was out of
959
00:57:50.860 --> 00:57:56.889
school for about three months, and he had committed suicide
960
00:57:57.889 --> 00:58:00.949
about a year before Christmas.
961
00:58:05.920 --> 00:58:11.480
Thankfully enough, no one in my year killed themselves. Their brother,
962
00:58:12.230 --> 00:58:16.269
drove into a stone wall racing through a canyon but
963
00:58:17.340 --> 00:58:19.440
she was all right it's just her brother.
964
00:58:19.199 --> 00:58:24.739
I always like that little bit of dialogue during the
965
00:58:24.780 --> 00:58:28.139
funeral scene where she talks about what the parents will
966
00:58:28.179 --> 00:58:30.989
do with the sheets and so will they burn them
967
00:58:31.070 --> 00:58:33.550
or will they scrub them and wash them and and
968
00:58:33.929 --> 00:58:39.260
use those sheets forever But do you now, you know,
969
00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:41.360
as I was pointing out those scenes that John are in,
970
00:58:41.369 --> 00:58:43.429
do you see what the movie did and how clever
971
00:58:43.449 --> 00:58:46.730
it is in, he's not distant with her and that's
972
00:58:46.789 --> 00:58:47.230
the trick.
973
00:58:47.349 --> 00:58:49.269
Yeah, she's like the last lifeline.
974
00:58:49.650 --> 00:58:55.170
Because you're focusing on John's interactions with her. So his
975
00:58:55.230 --> 00:58:58.349
suicide feels like it comes out of nowhere if you
976
00:58:58.369 --> 00:59:01.190
watch this the first time. But if you watch those
977
00:59:01.250 --> 00:59:05.489
scenes again, John is not connected with anything. Yeah. he
978
00:59:05.570 --> 00:59:08.579
is being put under tremendous pressure by his father.
979
00:59:08.599 --> 00:59:10.559
And I can tell you right now, one day she
980
00:59:10.599 --> 00:59:11.599
will regret doing this.
981
00:59:15.039 --> 00:59:18.659
I don't know. Like, I think it's, it's.
982
00:59:19.559 --> 00:59:21.559
It may not be today. It may not be in
983
00:59:21.579 --> 00:59:23.539
a couple of years time, but one day she'll regret
984
00:59:24.519 --> 00:59:25.300
losing that note.
985
00:59:25.679 --> 00:59:31.570
I don't know. I don't know. I think it's an
986
00:59:31.650 --> 00:59:36.150
interesting story beat because, you know, he probably knew full
987
00:59:36.170 --> 00:59:38.429
well that he wouldn't be there when she read that note.
988
00:59:40.250 --> 00:59:43.650
And it wasn't a note of like confession of love.
989
00:59:43.889 --> 00:59:48.750
It was a note of a confession of wanting to
990
00:59:48.829 --> 00:59:52.590
be unrestricted, you know, wanting to be away from these
991
00:59:53.179 --> 00:59:59.329
terrible expectations that we put on kids, you know. And
992
00:59:59.369 --> 01:00:05.690
I think, like, to this day, still, there's... I think
993
01:00:05.730 --> 01:00:07.789
for a lot of parents that do put these sort
994
01:00:07.809 --> 01:00:14.320
of expectations on their children, that it's love, but it's
995
01:00:14.639 --> 01:00:20.300
from an abusive or uninformed place. Sydney Harbour Bridge shot,
996
01:00:20.340 --> 01:00:21.840
of course, because it's Sydney, so you've got to have
997
01:00:21.880 --> 01:00:22.300
that shot.
998
01:00:22.380 --> 01:00:24.139
Luna Park was down the bottom. We just scrolled up
999
01:00:24.219 --> 01:00:24.460
over it.
1000
01:00:24.699 --> 01:00:26.739
They're taking a ferry, which is what you can use
1001
01:00:26.760 --> 01:00:27.099
to cross.
1002
01:00:28.469 --> 01:00:30.949
The ferry is actually going back now because that's Luna
1003
01:00:30.969 --> 01:00:34.070
Park behind us.
1004
01:00:34.110 --> 01:00:37.650
Yeah, and those sort of like expectations from mum and
1005
01:00:37.690 --> 01:00:42.030
dad can create a tremendous amount of pressure in a very,
1006
01:00:43.849 --> 01:00:47.179
like there's already, you know, teenagers are going through a
1007
01:00:47.199 --> 01:00:48.260
high pressured state.
1008
01:00:48.699 --> 01:00:50.219
The HSC makes it worse.
1009
01:00:50.340 --> 01:00:50.639
Yeah.
1010
01:00:50.699 --> 01:00:53.000
Getting a pressure from your parents makes it worse.
1011
01:00:53.039 --> 01:00:56.460
You know, thinking as well when you're a teenager that,
1012
01:00:57.039 --> 01:00:59.659
Your life has to be settled within a few years.
1013
01:00:59.719 --> 01:01:03.710
You're moving towards adulthood and what your life will be
1014
01:01:03.750 --> 01:01:07.389
has to be settled, which is absolute rubbish. There are
1015
01:01:07.429 --> 01:01:10.679
plenty of people who find what they want to do
1016
01:01:11.110 --> 01:01:13.230
in their late 20s, their late 30s, their late 40s,
1017
01:01:13.219 --> 01:01:19.010
their late 50s. I was only reading about a man
1018
01:01:19.050 --> 01:01:23.309
who finished his university degree and was talking about being
1019
01:01:23.610 --> 01:01:28.409
a 50-year-old undergrad starting his first study with all these kids.
1020
01:01:30.190 --> 01:01:35.449
You can absolutely find your path in the future. But, yeah,
1021
01:01:35.510 --> 01:01:37.929
we do put a lot of pressure on these kids. Like,
1022
01:01:38.349 --> 01:01:41.650
you know, make sure that you do the HSC. Make
1023
01:01:41.710 --> 01:01:43.780
sure that you do extremely well. You need to go
1024
01:01:43.800 --> 01:01:46.530
to university right off the bat. And that's just not
1025
01:01:46.610 --> 01:01:47.809
necessarily the case.
1026
01:01:47.829 --> 01:01:54.909
There you go. I don't think they were ever married.
1027
01:01:54.929 --> 01:01:58.769
Yeah. Oh. Oh.
1028
01:02:02.710 --> 01:02:04.349
What do you think? I won't put up with this
1029
01:02:04.369 --> 01:02:05.809
leniency to see this on air now.
1030
01:02:06.510 --> 01:02:09.170
It's something.
1031
01:02:09.190 --> 01:02:12.750
Take a shot. Do I bring my mother in to
1032
01:02:12.769 --> 01:02:13.829
do something else myself?
1033
01:02:19.579 --> 01:02:25.590
Yeah. I, I've, uh, I definitely was called into the
1034
01:02:25.630 --> 01:02:29.389
principal's office for fighting and causing problems every now and again. Um,
1035
01:02:31.849 --> 01:02:35.329
it is always interesting to, and I don't think this
1036
01:02:35.369 --> 01:02:40.789
will ever change, but the kids who are predominantly bullies
1037
01:02:40.829 --> 01:02:47.280
are also the kids that, um, often found themselves in
1038
01:02:47.320 --> 01:02:50.940
those rooms with their bullies when they fought back against
1039
01:02:50.960 --> 01:02:53.619
their bullies. And it was often the parents of the
1040
01:02:53.639 --> 01:02:55.900
bullies who would come in and defend their child. And,
1041
01:02:56.059 --> 01:02:58.539
and people, I suppose, think that's strange, but at the
1042
01:02:58.599 --> 01:03:00.460
end of the day, a parent is going to defend
1043
01:03:00.500 --> 01:03:03.519
their child because you have a bias towards your child.
1044
01:03:04.179 --> 01:03:06.570
And if that bias is too strong, then you're going
1045
01:03:06.590 --> 01:03:10.630
to end up in a situation where you will have
1046
01:03:10.989 --> 01:03:16.070
children who, um, end up with a sense of entitlement
1047
01:03:16.409 --> 01:03:19.139
and they take it out on the kids. Do you
1048
01:03:19.179 --> 01:03:21.219
remember those old, sorry, I was just looking at the
1049
01:03:21.260 --> 01:03:28.360
background there. Every school had those like pine memorial sort
1050
01:03:28.460 --> 01:03:30.239
of signs.
1051
01:03:30.610 --> 01:03:31.219
No, no.
1052
01:03:31.260 --> 01:03:34.010
You know, that had the like, they're painting gold lettering
1053
01:03:34.050 --> 01:03:35.829
the captains of every year. Did you have those?
1054
01:03:35.849 --> 01:03:37.750
Yeah, we had those. They were in the school hall.
1055
01:03:40.849 --> 01:03:43.349
Not the hallway, the actual like assembly hall.
1056
01:03:46.650 --> 01:04:02.449
And, yeah, calling him dad. Yeah. Yeah, quite interesting. Very
1057
01:04:02.570 --> 01:04:08.130
fiddly male threat there, you know, which I find is
1058
01:04:08.250 --> 01:04:12.030
quite interesting. Look, at the end of the day, you know,
1059
01:04:12.050 --> 01:04:17.530
if you do end up, causing legitimate bodily harm there.
1060
01:04:17.610 --> 01:04:20.849
She has broken a nose. There are repercussions for that.
1061
01:04:21.690 --> 01:04:24.250
Wasn't any repercussions for the girl who hit me in
1062
01:04:24.289 --> 01:04:24.690
the jaw.
1063
01:04:25.510 --> 01:04:27.730
Wasn't any repercussions for the people who punched me in
1064
01:04:27.750 --> 01:04:29.650
the face either, though I gave as good as I got.
1065
01:04:29.989 --> 01:04:31.869
Although I did break one of the guy's hands with
1066
01:04:31.909 --> 01:04:34.610
a broom because he attacked me with a saw, so
1067
01:04:34.650 --> 01:04:34.929
you know.
1068
01:04:35.710 --> 01:04:37.809
Yeah, so there you go. So what we were talking
1069
01:04:37.869 --> 01:04:41.769
about earlier, she said, you know, she called me St. Gracie,
1070
01:04:41.809 --> 01:04:45.769
she called me a wog. And that's where that you're
1071
01:04:45.869 --> 01:04:49.980
you're uh you don't believe me they just did it
1072
01:04:50.039 --> 01:04:52.659
in the movie that's that was a piece of dialogue
1073
01:04:52.699 --> 01:05:08.530
there sorry i should actually keep talking because this is
1074
01:05:08.570 --> 01:05:10.449
an audio commentary but i just think this is a
1075
01:05:10.489 --> 01:05:14.570
great little bit of dialogue It's great framing and La
1076
01:05:14.590 --> 01:05:18.090
Puglia is doing a fantastic job here, as he always
1077
01:05:18.150 --> 01:05:21.409
did in a lot of Australian film. You'd see him
1078
01:05:21.469 --> 01:05:23.920
every now and again in television, but I always thought
1079
01:05:23.960 --> 01:05:27.619
he was fantastic as a film actor.
1080
01:05:27.679 --> 01:05:30.940
There are a lot of bullied kids who feel like
1081
01:05:30.980 --> 01:05:34.579
the only way out is harming themselves and Josie has
1082
01:05:34.679 --> 01:05:38.750
just given an insight into how she feels.
1083
01:05:41.500 --> 01:05:42.139
I mean, this is.
1084
01:05:42.460 --> 01:05:44.820
Actually building a connection with her dad, surprisingly.
1085
01:05:46.280 --> 01:05:49.280
Yeah. And say, like, again, like, he's great with those
1086
01:05:49.300 --> 01:05:54.989
little micro-expressions because he nearly started crying himself. Because, yeah,
1087
01:05:55.030 --> 01:06:02.510
I believe he's a lawyer? Barrister. A barrister. Right, right. Yeah. So, yeah,
1088
01:06:02.550 --> 01:06:15.079
this is... It'd be quite an interesting... The racism. Yeah. Yeah. Okay,
1089
01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:20.409
so mentioning Talkback Radio and those sort of policies, I
1090
01:06:20.659 --> 01:06:25.590
think around that time you're probably listening to like Alan Jones,
1091
01:06:25.670 --> 01:06:28.349
Ray Hadley. Yeah. Jones definitely would have been at the
1092
01:06:28.389 --> 01:06:33.389
height of his power. Ray Hadley, interestingly enough, was considered the,
1093
01:06:35.050 --> 01:06:40.329
I suppose, the moderate voice at that time, which is quite, frankly,
1094
01:06:40.389 --> 01:06:46.820
quite interesting. Yeah. Because both now, Alan Jones is allegedly
1095
01:06:46.889 --> 01:06:49.730
before the court. Well, it's been alleged that he is
1096
01:06:49.969 --> 01:06:54.489
engaged in sexual assault, sexual misconduct. I believe Ray Hadley
1097
01:06:54.550 --> 01:06:58.760
as well has been accused by that of staffers, again, allegedly.
1098
01:06:58.780 --> 01:07:03.019
I'm not going to say anything either way until things
1099
01:07:03.099 --> 01:07:07.130
are settled. But yeah, this was around the time when
1100
01:07:07.389 --> 01:07:11.309
Australian radio still had the power. The wall phone, the
1101
01:07:11.409 --> 01:07:17.130
classic Telstra wall phone sitting there. You don't have that anymore. No.
1102
01:07:17.150 --> 01:07:18.530
That is long, long gone.
1103
01:07:19.809 --> 01:07:22.750
Same with the fridge that would survive a nuclear blast.
1104
01:07:23.630 --> 01:07:26.530
They still make them. That's why our fridge there.
1105
01:07:26.880 --> 01:07:29.039
Yeah, but it's not the same with the brown trim
1106
01:07:29.099 --> 01:07:29.599
and all that.
1107
01:07:31.239 --> 01:07:32.679
Yeah. But yeah.
1108
01:07:35.070 --> 01:07:37.489
There's a lot of this movie that's actually in Italian, too.
1109
01:07:38.650 --> 01:07:40.840
We're watching it with the subtitles on so that we
1110
01:07:40.860 --> 01:07:42.639
don't get reverb through the mics.
1111
01:07:43.480 --> 01:07:45.480
Yeah, if you're listening at home, you don't need to
1112
01:07:45.519 --> 01:07:48.000
be watching the film and listening to us and listening
1113
01:07:48.039 --> 01:07:51.960
to us recording the sound of the movie and, you know,
1114
01:07:52.059 --> 01:07:57.679
et cetera, et cetera. But, yeah, it's like there's a
1115
01:07:57.719 --> 01:08:01.599
lot of stuff in the Nonna's house that really reminds
1116
01:08:01.659 --> 01:08:03.670
me of even my own grandparents.
1117
01:08:03.679 --> 01:08:06.579
House, like, Oh, you don't threaten that.
1118
01:08:07.079 --> 01:08:08.420
What'd she threaten? I missed that.
1119
01:08:09.400 --> 01:08:11.079
If I die in the middle of the night, you'll
1120
01:08:11.099 --> 01:08:14.420
be happy, something like that. And just after one of
1121
01:08:14.480 --> 01:08:17.279
her classmates or one of her peers has committed suicide,
1122
01:08:17.359 --> 01:08:20.500
that strikes a little bit different and you shouldn't threaten
1123
01:08:20.520 --> 01:08:22.060
it ever, but definitely not then.
1124
01:08:22.539 --> 01:08:25.340
Lots of teenagers, I'm pretty sure I said the exact
1125
01:08:25.359 --> 01:08:28.199
same thing to my parents multiple times. Yeah, yeah.
1126
01:08:28.399 --> 01:08:30.010
It comes out of our mouths at least once.
1127
01:08:31.090 --> 01:08:38.850
As I've often said, When it comes to teenagers, parents
1128
01:08:39.109 --> 01:08:42.760
realize very quickly why some mammals eat their young.
1129
01:08:42.770 --> 01:08:45.800
Yeah.
1130
01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:49.680
Look, being a teenager is really difficult. It's a point
1131
01:08:49.720 --> 01:08:55.109
in life where your body is maturing, your brain is changing,
1132
01:08:55.229 --> 01:09:00.649
your brain chemistry is changing, and you're trying to find
1133
01:09:00.689 --> 01:09:05.899
your way whilst moving towards adulthood, whilst still being a
1134
01:09:05.939 --> 01:09:11.800
child without any sort of leeway. And it's really, you know,
1135
01:09:12.079 --> 01:09:15.729
it's very, very difficult for people to transition through their
1136
01:09:15.750 --> 01:09:18.949
teenage years. Some people do it very well, some people don't.
1137
01:09:22.529 --> 01:09:25.670
I noticed that it was really difficult for a lot
1138
01:09:25.689 --> 01:09:28.369
of the kids that I went to school with when
1139
01:09:28.390 --> 01:09:30.750
they made it out into the real world. Because out
1140
01:09:30.789 --> 01:09:35.560
of our class, there aren't a lot of people who
1141
01:09:35.600 --> 01:09:42.260
didn't return to Truman eventually or leave Truman eventually. I did.
1142
01:09:43.180 --> 01:09:46.920
And I think I'm one of the, myself and my brother...
1143
01:09:47.729 --> 01:09:50.770
My sister, like my family have all pretty much left Tumor.
1144
01:09:50.869 --> 01:09:53.069
I don't think many people move out of their communities.
1145
01:09:57.680 --> 01:10:00.760
This is also an interesting look into the immigrant experience
1146
01:10:01.279 --> 01:10:02.579
through the eyes of a grandmother.
1147
01:10:03.420 --> 01:10:04.180
World War II.
1148
01:10:06.500 --> 01:10:09.060
Well, this is where, if people have listened to our
1149
01:10:09.100 --> 01:10:14.319
episodes on World War II history, we've talked about this
1150
01:10:14.359 --> 01:10:19.670
a lot, but the... Italian army, often when they came
1151
01:10:19.770 --> 01:10:24.989
up against Australian forces, they would surrender en masse, be
1152
01:10:25.029 --> 01:10:30.329
transported to Australia to be put into prisoner of war camps,
1153
01:10:30.529 --> 01:10:33.789
and then they never went back. And then there was
1154
01:10:33.850 --> 01:10:38.939
also the push to have migrants establish farms in Australia,
1155
01:10:39.000 --> 01:10:45.399
which they did, which also ties to our Nangaragatta episodes
1156
01:10:45.479 --> 01:10:51.319
and the Italian Mafia episodes. Because once the Italian farmers
1157
01:10:51.380 --> 01:10:55.869
started to produce, they had a bunch of middlemen criminals
1158
01:10:55.970 --> 01:11:00.010
come in to act as middlemen for companies to sell
1159
01:11:00.029 --> 01:11:06.010
that produce into. So, you know, the Australian, the Italian-Australian
1160
01:11:06.789 --> 01:11:13.770
history and tradition is very, very much colorful and interesting
1161
01:11:13.800 --> 01:11:20.289
and Varied. Varied. And they have a huge, you know,
1162
01:11:20.369 --> 01:11:25.649
it's a huge part of Australian history and culture. Again,
1163
01:11:25.689 --> 01:11:31.310
that's why like in our current times, before my time
1164
01:11:31.380 --> 01:11:35.199
it was the Italian or Greek immigrant that was the
1165
01:11:35.359 --> 01:11:41.590
political football. Then it was... Lazy Indigenous people was the
1166
01:11:41.630 --> 01:11:46.770
next political football kicked around by far-right agitators. Then it
1167
01:11:46.829 --> 01:11:51.689
was Chinese Australians. Then it was Muslim Australians. And now
1168
01:11:51.750 --> 01:11:54.699
I think we're just at immigrants in general, isn't it?
1169
01:11:55.260 --> 01:11:57.119
We had the African gangs down in Melbourne.
1170
01:11:57.239 --> 01:11:59.140
That's right. That was another one. Yeah.
1171
01:11:59.920 --> 01:12:01.960
And then, yeah, now it's just immigration in general.
1172
01:12:02.239 --> 01:12:06.579
Holly and I are obviously being very... We don't take
1173
01:12:06.659 --> 01:12:10.539
any of those arguments seriously, especially when you have Even
1174
01:12:10.560 --> 01:12:12.319
a glancing knowledge of crime stats.
1175
01:12:18.680 --> 01:12:24.159
Meeting the dad. Dude, just sit back and shut up.
1176
01:12:24.189 --> 01:12:25.789
You're only making everything worse.
1177
01:12:29.289 --> 01:12:32.619
Look, especially because her dad is probably recognizing quite a
1178
01:12:32.680 --> 01:12:35.659
lot of himself in that young man.
1179
01:12:35.680 --> 01:12:37.520
I remember that.
1180
01:12:38.210 --> 01:12:42.699
Again, this is the joke again, though, about the panel van,
1181
01:12:42.720 --> 01:12:46.880
because Dad owned a panel van. Yeah. That's how she,
1182
01:12:46.899 --> 01:12:54.260
you know. The idea of being conceived in a car
1183
01:12:56.060 --> 01:12:59.359
is this through joke in the entire film, which I
1184
01:12:59.390 --> 01:12:59.970
always like.
1185
01:13:02.529 --> 01:13:04.649
I like the fact that she's actually getting to know
1186
01:13:04.710 --> 01:13:10.760
her dad better. And finding out how useless he thought
1187
01:13:10.779 --> 01:13:11.079
he was.
1188
01:13:18.159 --> 01:13:21.649
That is also very true. Mentioning it, this is how
1189
01:13:21.689 --> 01:13:27.949
Josie talks about the sexual height. Yes, peak. Yes, for
1190
01:13:28.789 --> 01:13:32.789
women it is 30s into late 30s. For men it
1191
01:13:33.130 --> 01:13:42.859
pretty much taps out around 21 to 22. And I
1192
01:13:42.920 --> 01:13:46.270
think this is, it's another interesting aspect of moving out
1193
01:13:46.310 --> 01:13:48.729
into the world because this is at the point where
1194
01:13:48.770 --> 01:13:53.989
your parents will start to have real conversations with their kids.
1195
01:13:54.569 --> 01:13:58.109
It'll go from parent-child relationship to peer relationship.
1196
01:13:58.149 --> 01:14:02.340
Yeah, because the parents can start relating to their child's
1197
01:14:02.399 --> 01:14:06.899
experience more as the gap starts to close further and further.
1198
01:14:08.329 --> 01:14:11.649
I mean, everyone is different, I think, even within our family. Like,
1199
01:14:11.689 --> 01:14:13.840
I think my mother closed that gap with me sooner,
1200
01:14:14.220 --> 01:14:17.439
my dad not so much. But you do start to
1201
01:14:17.659 --> 01:14:21.539
recognize that tipping point when you do find yourself being
1202
01:14:21.600 --> 01:14:26.579
able to have a conversation. Yeah, the nonna really doesn't
1203
01:14:26.619 --> 01:14:33.470
like him still, understandably. But, yeah, you do end up
1204
01:14:33.489 --> 01:14:36.310
getting to that point where everything starts to come together.
1205
01:14:36.329 --> 01:14:37.750
Okay.
1206
01:14:39.170 --> 01:14:42.149
For me, like this film, I think does exceptionally well
1207
01:14:42.449 --> 01:14:47.949
in really encapsulating the teenager to adult experience. You know,
1208
01:14:47.989 --> 01:14:50.449
at the start of the film, you very much feel
1209
01:14:50.489 --> 01:14:52.789
like she's a kid as we're starting to get towards
1210
01:14:52.829 --> 01:14:55.289
the end. Now you do feel like, no, this is
1211
01:14:55.329 --> 01:14:58.029
a young woman preparing to walk out into the world.
1212
01:14:59.069 --> 01:15:02.649
All the old classic filing cabinets. Everyone had that. It's,
1213
01:15:03.090 --> 01:15:05.829
it's like in Australia, we seem to have like three
1214
01:15:05.890 --> 01:15:10.289
companies that made office furniture. And everyone had the same
1215
01:15:10.350 --> 01:15:14.689
office furniture. I distinctly remember my mother and father having
1216
01:15:14.729 --> 01:15:15.909
those cabinets as well.
1217
01:15:20.930 --> 01:15:22.550
Look at the size of that computer screen.
1218
01:15:22.789 --> 01:15:24.989
Yeah. Yeah. You got your fax machine there in the
1219
01:15:25.029 --> 01:15:28.659
back too, which you wouldn't have anymore. You're probably with
1220
01:15:28.699 --> 01:15:38.020
an answering machine attached to it. And this is also a, yeah.
1221
01:15:42.380 --> 01:15:45.430
It's also an interesting idea as well when you've got
1222
01:15:45.449 --> 01:15:50.630
a single parent or parents who are divorced also looking
1223
01:15:50.649 --> 01:15:56.789
to have other relationships. But again, though, it's her trying
1224
01:15:57.050 --> 01:16:00.850
to cross that gap of relatability.
1225
01:16:00.869 --> 01:16:03.029
Canonically, mum is 34, 35. Mum is younger than me. Yeah.
1226
01:16:08.010 --> 01:16:11.289
And I mean, that's the difference as well now is
1227
01:16:11.409 --> 01:16:17.770
that a lot of women today are now having children
1228
01:16:18.050 --> 01:16:24.640
at a much later age. They're having one child, you know,
1229
01:16:24.800 --> 01:16:34.829
with her being close to 17, 18 here. And if
1230
01:16:34.890 --> 01:16:37.609
her mom's 34, then that means that she would have
1231
01:16:37.689 --> 01:16:38.329
been born.
1232
01:16:38.350 --> 01:16:39.550
When she was 17.
1233
01:16:39.550 --> 01:16:43.430
When she was 17. Which is also, again, like that's
1234
01:16:43.470 --> 01:16:47.090
the film and that's the story, like showing the differences
1235
01:16:47.149 --> 01:16:49.630
in the generation now too. You know, she was a
1236
01:16:49.670 --> 01:16:57.310
very young mother. She's not anymore. And, you know, that's
1237
01:16:57.369 --> 01:16:59.470
the difference between the two is they wanted to give
1238
01:16:59.510 --> 01:17:06.449
their daughter, you know, that next step forward. And these
1239
01:17:06.510 --> 01:17:12.149
two are also reconciling probably their past as well. And
1240
01:17:12.189 --> 01:17:18.020
they're doing that through this bonding with their daughter. And yeah,
1241
01:17:18.880 --> 01:17:21.800
there's a lot to really... I can see why this
1242
01:17:21.899 --> 01:17:25.779
movie was so popular back in the day. Because I
1243
01:17:25.819 --> 01:17:30.850
think it really does help to... I don't know. It's
1244
01:17:30.890 --> 01:17:38.979
a very, very good example of the coming-of-age story. I
1245
01:17:39.000 --> 01:17:41.619
always like the coming, like, there was a lot of
1246
01:17:41.680 --> 01:17:44.699
coming-of-age stories, and I think some did it very successfully
1247
01:17:44.729 --> 01:17:45.329
and some didn't.
1248
01:17:45.590 --> 01:17:47.510
Yeah.
1249
01:17:47.550 --> 01:17:52.529
You can see there, she's playing with CDs. Oh, the
1250
01:17:52.569 --> 01:17:53.829
classic pizza box.
1251
01:17:53.970 --> 01:17:54.569
Yeah.
1252
01:17:55.989 --> 01:18:02.930
Oh, man. I feel so old. Yeah, if you're one
1253
01:18:02.949 --> 01:18:05.029
of our younger listeners, we have a couple of them.
1254
01:18:05.680 --> 01:18:07.979
If you're ever curious as to what mine and Holly's
1255
01:18:08.039 --> 01:18:11.960
experience was growing up as teenagers and what our Australia
1256
01:18:12.079 --> 01:18:16.159
looked like, I would recommend this movie. Yeah. This is
1257
01:18:16.220 --> 01:18:22.680
definitely a film of our generation. I'm actually surprised you
1258
01:18:22.699 --> 01:18:24.020
never came across it till today.
1259
01:18:24.300 --> 01:18:26.510
No. I mean, I'd heard of it. I'd never watched it.
1260
01:18:27.020 --> 01:18:29.329
I'd watched it when I was quite young. It was
1261
01:18:29.470 --> 01:18:32.510
one of our... Mum and Dad always rented a lot
1262
01:18:32.550 --> 01:18:35.619
of Australian film. Like, Australian film was always a....
1263
01:18:37.779 --> 01:18:39.689
Finding photos of her mum when she was younger.
1264
01:18:40.189 --> 01:18:43.930
Smoking in the house. Yep. You don't say that much anymore,
1265
01:18:43.949 --> 01:18:44.890
do you? No.
1266
01:18:45.630 --> 01:18:47.869
Well, secondhand smoke is the big thing now.
1267
01:18:55.810 --> 01:18:59.670
But again like you know that like putting on music
1268
01:18:59.989 --> 01:19:02.130
like her and dad are putting on music and listening
1269
01:19:02.189 --> 01:19:05.439
to his his music together as they start to develop
1270
01:19:05.460 --> 01:19:08.260
more of a closer bond again you know it's about
1271
01:19:08.319 --> 01:19:17.359
sharing sharing that generational culture back and forth i always
1272
01:19:17.420 --> 01:19:19.680
love subtitle because we don't watch a lot of movies
1273
01:19:19.739 --> 01:19:22.899
with subtitles unless it's a foreign film i do love
1274
01:19:22.920 --> 01:19:26.970
uh audio descriptions of things all right so this is
1275
01:19:27.069 --> 01:19:29.850
here we go this is the classic australian tradition here
1276
01:19:30.390 --> 01:19:35.680
of year 12 muck up day now it's Fairly mild
1277
01:19:35.779 --> 01:19:36.439
what's going on here.
1278
01:19:36.500 --> 01:19:37.899
It's flour and water in the water balloons.
1279
01:19:37.920 --> 01:19:43.260
Yeah, flour in the water balloons. And we've got water guns,
1280
01:19:43.899 --> 01:19:49.579
which is a very mild version of muck up days.
1281
01:19:49.739 --> 01:19:52.659
Considering muck up day usually took place very close in
1282
01:19:52.680 --> 01:19:53.840
the summer, you need the water.
1283
01:19:54.199 --> 01:19:58.470
You'll find nearly, does that take you back as well? Yeah, damn.
1284
01:19:58.489 --> 01:20:01.930
You know, being in the library with the computer bays. Yeah.
1285
01:20:03.119 --> 01:20:05.279
Everyone gathered around with piles and piles of books.
1286
01:20:06.340 --> 01:20:09.359
I mean, I distinctly remember the first time we had
1287
01:20:09.420 --> 01:20:13.460
access to the internet. I was in primary school. It
1288
01:20:13.539 --> 01:20:19.130
would have been around 1995, 1996. And I remember it
1289
01:20:19.189 --> 01:20:25.069
distinctly because I looked up the movie webpage for the 90, yeah,
1290
01:20:25.229 --> 01:20:28.449
it was the 95 Godzilla film. It was coming out.
1291
01:20:29.560 --> 01:20:34.770
Terrible Godzilla film. But, You know, those are the sort
1292
01:20:34.810 --> 01:20:38.229
of computers that you would have in the library. Yeah. And,
1293
01:20:38.449 --> 01:20:40.369
you know, your teachers would take you to the library
1294
01:20:40.430 --> 01:20:44.539
to do something like a research thing. The glasses definitely
1295
01:20:44.659 --> 01:20:45.159
age her up.
1296
01:20:45.199 --> 01:20:45.619
Yeah, they do.
1297
01:20:45.659 --> 01:20:50.819
Which is really interesting. When I look at that, I'm like,
1298
01:20:50.859 --> 01:20:53.300
there's a 27-year-old right there.
1299
01:20:53.399 --> 01:20:56.989
Especially with the hair bundled up on the top of
1300
01:20:57.010 --> 01:20:57.310
her head.
1301
01:20:59.350 --> 01:21:03.529
Now, I believe year 12 markup days are pretty much done.
1302
01:21:04.630 --> 01:21:08.670
Banned in every single school, but they will never stop them.
1303
01:21:12.380 --> 01:21:13.539
He looks older than his dad.
1304
01:21:13.859 --> 01:21:15.039
He does, doesn't he?
1305
01:21:18.640 --> 01:21:23.279
Dad likes us.
1306
01:21:23.460 --> 01:21:27.449
I think this is also a silver chair that would
1307
01:21:27.489 --> 01:21:30.829
have This particular song would have been from the Frog
1308
01:21:30.890 --> 01:21:34.170
Stomp album, I believe, which I was definitely listening to
1309
01:21:34.909 --> 01:21:40.479
around this time as well. Yeah, Silverchair and Australian Band.
1310
01:21:40.489 --> 01:21:42.640
They would actually end up on the soundtrack of the
1311
01:21:42.720 --> 01:21:44.140
Street Fighter 2 movie.
1312
01:21:44.319 --> 01:21:44.500
Yes.
1313
01:21:44.979 --> 01:21:46.420
Which is an animated film.
1314
01:21:46.800 --> 01:21:47.159
Film.
1315
01:21:47.680 --> 01:21:53.359
From Japan. Yeah, and I think this also does a
1316
01:21:53.460 --> 01:21:57.920
really good job of... giving you a bit of a
1317
01:21:57.939 --> 01:22:01.420
look into, you know, this is working class family. This
1318
01:22:01.500 --> 01:22:05.300
is immigrant family. This is wealthy family. Her dad is
1319
01:22:05.359 --> 01:22:12.449
obviously in a penthouse apartment around, you know, Darling Harbor.
1320
01:22:12.810 --> 01:22:15.390
It's like mom and dad, they live in probably a
1321
01:22:15.750 --> 01:22:20.800
richer suburb. And then boyfriend of course lives in a,
1322
01:22:21.449 --> 01:22:23.390
A bit more of a rundown house, but it would
1323
01:22:23.409 --> 01:22:24.890
now cost you about $ 2 million.
1324
01:22:24.930 --> 01:22:28.270
Yeah, I'm looking at all the property here going, Jesus,
1325
01:22:28.310 --> 01:22:29.170
these guys are rich.
1326
01:22:29.649 --> 01:22:31.890
Well, these sort of places as well, you would see
1327
01:22:31.930 --> 01:22:32.909
them down at the Rocks.
1328
01:22:36.090 --> 01:22:38.310
I mean, these places are richer than the Rocks.
1329
01:22:38.909 --> 01:22:45.069
Well, they're these like double-story townhouses, which in 2000 were considered,
1330
01:22:45.100 --> 01:22:51.270
you know, these were your povo, you know, povo. being
1331
01:22:51.310 --> 01:22:55.739
shorthand for poverty. These were your povo houses back in Sydney,
1332
01:22:58.239 --> 01:23:01.119
which now would cost you an exceptional amount of money.
1333
01:23:01.260 --> 01:23:02.720
Yeah.
1334
01:23:02.739 --> 01:23:05.800
Wouldn't it be a coming-of-age film if we didn't have the.
1335
01:23:06.079 --> 01:23:07.520
Second base.
1336
01:23:07.920 --> 01:23:11.479
I'm going to have a little bit of a squeezy, squeezy, grab, grab, feel, feel.
1337
01:23:12.680 --> 01:23:13.520
Over the bra, of course.
1338
01:23:16.020 --> 01:23:19.449
Yeah, well, I mean... The thing is, and again, this
1339
01:23:19.489 --> 01:23:24.000
relates back to our episodes on film censorship. If you
1340
01:23:24.060 --> 01:23:32.640
were to become too gratuitous here, you would end up getting, oh,
1341
01:23:34.479 --> 01:23:40.170
tried to, he tried to get her to touch his penis. Yeah.
1342
01:23:40.409 --> 01:23:51.250
How inappropriate. Yeah. Also, early 2000s. AIDS is still a
1343
01:23:51.289 --> 01:23:55.560
big concern in Australia, HIV transmission. We are still very,
1344
01:23:55.600 --> 01:23:59.899
very far away from drugs like PrEP, still very far
1345
01:23:59.960 --> 01:24:06.199
away from being able to manage HIV infections and preventing
1346
01:24:06.220 --> 01:24:10.039
them from turning into AIDS. But around this time as well,
1347
01:24:10.100 --> 01:24:26.989
Australia had exceptional awareness of safe sex practices. but look
1348
01:24:27.729 --> 01:24:33.760
this what's really interesting here though is that it's uh
1349
01:24:36.260 --> 01:24:44.840
yeah look look so this is this is this sookie
1350
01:24:44.920 --> 01:24:47.520
attitude that most men will take if they're rejected for
1351
01:24:47.560 --> 01:24:52.310
sex right away yeah um You know, he's ready to go.
1352
01:24:52.329 --> 01:24:57.180
She's not ready. At least he stopped.
1353
01:24:57.189 --> 01:24:58.859
Yeah. And now.
1354
01:25:00.560 --> 01:25:01.359
We go on the attack.
1355
01:25:01.380 --> 01:25:04.279
Yeah. Rejection, feelings hurt, acting out, having an argument.
1356
01:25:04.319 --> 01:25:05.739
But then, of course, they're also.
1357
01:25:20.979 --> 01:25:25.729
you know, they were moving towards this conflict anyway. And
1358
01:25:25.770 --> 01:25:29.369
there's always, again, the teenage experience too, is that you
1359
01:25:29.409 --> 01:25:34.810
do have teenagers who don't really particularly care about, you know,
1360
01:25:34.930 --> 01:25:39.289
sexual activity and it's fine. It's not that big a deal.
1361
01:25:40.369 --> 01:25:42.210
And then on the other side of that, you have
1362
01:25:42.369 --> 01:25:47.729
people who do consider it a sacred thing that, you know,
1363
01:25:47.750 --> 01:25:50.470
they do have to protect their virginity and She's trying
1364
01:25:50.489 --> 01:25:53.390
to explain to him as well. Like, you don't understand
1365
01:25:53.470 --> 01:25:56.350
where I come from and what my background is. And
1366
01:25:56.390 --> 01:26:00.409
that's why going to this step in our relationship is
1367
01:26:00.449 --> 01:26:04.989
a big deal for me. And it is difficult. And
1368
01:26:05.020 --> 01:26:07.909
it has to be something that is a little bit
1369
01:26:07.949 --> 01:26:11.159
more special than I've come over to your house for
1370
01:26:11.279 --> 01:26:14.460
the first day and I'm sort of, you know, surrounded
1371
01:26:14.520 --> 01:26:16.920
by these working class settings.
1372
01:26:17.239 --> 01:26:17.319
Yeah.
1373
01:26:18.050 --> 01:26:23.159
For her, it probably means getting married or going on
1374
01:26:23.220 --> 01:26:29.859
a trip or adding a nicer element to it. And
1375
01:26:29.880 --> 01:26:32.460
then for him, sex is just sex. He's been having
1376
01:26:32.520 --> 01:26:35.359
sex for a long time and it's not something that
1377
01:26:35.390 --> 01:26:39.789
particularly worries him. Most teenagers will start to think about
1378
01:26:39.869 --> 01:26:43.390
it or if the opportunity presents itself, they'll become sexually
1379
01:26:43.930 --> 01:26:48.300
active at a younger age. That's why you should always
1380
01:26:48.359 --> 01:26:56.800
practice safe sex, kids. Very important. So she's studying right
1381
01:26:56.819 --> 01:26:59.779
now those particular books. You can still get those. Yep.
1382
01:27:01.609 --> 01:27:04.670
I think our local news agency actually used to get
1383
01:27:04.710 --> 01:27:08.229
those ordered in for us back before the internet. Those
1384
01:27:08.329 --> 01:27:11.829
are study books or they are practice tests.
1385
01:27:12.350 --> 01:27:14.449
Well, they're past tests so you can see what was
1386
01:27:14.529 --> 01:27:18.960
actually given and you can– do that use those to prep.
1387
01:27:20.600 --> 01:27:22.600
The other thing that i noticed too is the the
1388
01:27:22.619 --> 01:27:26.260
shaking of the hand as she's writing out these essays
1389
01:27:26.319 --> 01:27:30.350
because you know most the expectation was that you would
1390
01:27:30.430 --> 01:27:33.630
write at least seven to eight pages a four pages
1391
01:27:34.710 --> 01:27:37.149
i don't know what they do today i don't think
1392
01:27:37.210 --> 01:27:39.710
it's electronic i still think most of it is all
1393
01:27:39.770 --> 01:27:44.310
handwritten yeah but yes you would have to to write
1394
01:27:44.369 --> 01:27:46.000
those through And you had.
1395
01:27:45.899 --> 01:27:48.500
To write fast because you only had like an hour
1396
01:27:48.979 --> 01:27:50.500
and you had to do like two or three of
1397
01:27:50.539 --> 01:27:51.229
those essays.
1398
01:27:51.470 --> 01:28:01.010
Yeah. And it was also interesting about the, uh, the,
1399
01:28:01.109 --> 01:28:05.350
the HSC. And I remember some of these tests. I remember,
1400
01:28:05.390 --> 01:28:09.789
I remember being admonished by one of our English teachers, uh,
1401
01:28:09.909 --> 01:28:13.729
Miss West. It was actually a very good teacher, honestly. Uh, but,
1402
01:28:14.720 --> 01:28:19.060
She praised one of our friends, Anique, who I believe
1403
01:28:19.079 --> 01:28:21.979
has gone on to be a somewhat semi-professional writer or
1404
01:28:22.020 --> 01:28:25.010
professional writer. She was a very talented writer, even at
1405
01:28:25.029 --> 01:28:33.930
a young age. She took the themes of the question
1406
01:28:34.310 --> 01:28:37.670
and turned it into this epic story about Nazi vampires.
1407
01:28:39.329 --> 01:28:42.899
And the question was, and I remember this quite distinctly,
1408
01:28:43.260 --> 01:28:50.319
the question in the HSA was, these are the lyrics from,
1409
01:28:50.760 --> 01:28:53.840
what's that song about a parking lot? It was Big
1410
01:28:53.859 --> 01:28:56.140
Yellow Taxi, I think was the band or was that
1411
01:28:56.180 --> 01:28:56.840
the name of the song?
1412
01:28:57.039 --> 01:28:58.039
No, that's the name of the song.
1413
01:28:58.279 --> 01:29:01.409
Right. So it was the lyrics from Big Yellow Taxi
1414
01:29:01.550 --> 01:29:05.689
about specifically knocking down the trees to set up a
1415
01:29:05.729 --> 01:29:08.810
parking lot. And it was like we're asked to write
1416
01:29:09.869 --> 01:29:14.399
a piece of creative writing using that paragraph as inspiration.
1417
01:29:14.409 --> 01:29:16.939
So guess what a bunch of wrote learning kids did?
1418
01:29:17.739 --> 01:29:20.659
Wrote down the same essay that they'd been written to?
1419
01:29:21.840 --> 01:29:27.000
No. We basically talked about ourselves experiencing trees getting cut
1420
01:29:27.039 --> 01:29:31.539
down in a parking lot build. right? Whereas Anique was
1421
01:29:31.619 --> 01:29:33.760
able to say pass that and zero in on a
1422
01:29:33.819 --> 01:29:36.560
theme and then she used that theme and that's why
1423
01:29:36.579 --> 01:29:38.359
she got such high marks and that's why she was
1424
01:29:38.399 --> 01:29:41.579
praised for it. But it talks about like the Australian
1425
01:29:41.619 --> 01:29:44.159
school system and the rote learningness of it. It's like
1426
01:29:44.220 --> 01:29:48.399
if you build, you know, a class of 30 automatons
1427
01:29:48.779 --> 01:29:52.619
and you expect them to say pass the theme and
1428
01:29:52.659 --> 01:29:57.590
write something that's creatively theirs, you really don't, uh, understand
1429
01:29:57.649 --> 01:30:00.729
how your testing system works because that's not what it's,
1430
01:30:00.970 --> 01:30:03.430
what school is designed to be. Like it's, it's meant
1431
01:30:03.470 --> 01:30:08.470
to just be this regurgitative system. But yeah, Anika managed
1432
01:30:08.489 --> 01:30:10.710
to say through that, but I certainly didn't. I just,
1433
01:30:10.850 --> 01:30:13.529
I wrote the same thing as everyone else. I, you know,
1434
01:30:13.590 --> 01:30:18.100
wrote about like a, yeah, environmental destruction leading, saying being
1435
01:30:18.140 --> 01:30:20.779
built over the top of it. Yeah. She wrote about
1436
01:30:20.840 --> 01:30:28.720
Nazi vampires. I don't even know why I really sat
1437
01:30:28.739 --> 01:30:29.699
for my HSC.
1438
01:30:31.020 --> 01:30:34.840
And our main character has just realized a big part
1439
01:30:35.100 --> 01:30:37.649
of her history is wrong.
1440
01:30:37.670 --> 01:30:41.510
Do you want to explain that a bit further?
1441
01:30:41.810 --> 01:30:44.810
So, earlier in the movie, we were talking to Nonna.
1442
01:30:44.930 --> 01:30:47.149
Nonna was saying that there was big sections of the
1443
01:30:47.210 --> 01:30:50.810
year where Nonna wasn't around. Grandfather wasn't around.
1444
01:30:50.840 --> 01:30:51.039
And....
1445
01:30:54.020 --> 01:30:56.520
One of these Australian men was around at that point
1446
01:30:56.539 --> 01:31:00.460
in time. Now that point in time equals to when
1447
01:31:00.520 --> 01:31:05.409
Nonno wasn't around, which also equals to when mum was conceived.
1448
01:31:06.810 --> 01:31:09.789
So the skeleton in the closet is that mum is
1449
01:31:09.829 --> 01:31:18.390
not Nonno's. So now Nonno's being confronted with the skeleton
1450
01:31:18.449 --> 01:31:21.130
and the family history comes out.
1451
01:31:22.609 --> 01:31:27.779
Yeah. So, yeah, sorry, just to clarify there, because I
1452
01:31:27.800 --> 01:31:29.479
think that got a little bit confusing.
1453
01:31:30.979 --> 01:31:31.670
It was easy for me.
1454
01:31:31.689 --> 01:31:35.590
She has basically found out that her grandfather is most
1455
01:31:35.649 --> 01:31:40.670
likely not her grandfather. Yeah. And that her nonna has
1456
01:31:40.729 --> 01:31:43.880
had an affair while her father was a service person
1457
01:31:44.640 --> 01:31:48.399
and that her mother's father is not actually her father.
1458
01:31:49.100 --> 01:31:49.640
And so.
1459
01:31:50.640 --> 01:31:51.640
She's quarter Australian.
1460
01:31:52.100 --> 01:31:56.489
Yeah. So Josie has sort of been put in this
1461
01:31:56.630 --> 01:32:01.739
pressure cooker of expectations from her culture, from her family.
1462
01:32:02.520 --> 01:32:08.039
And ironically, her family have not obeyed the practices of
1463
01:32:08.079 --> 01:32:09.979
their culture. It's been very superficial.
1464
01:32:11.020 --> 01:32:13.380
I mean, I've known a few Italian men and I
1465
01:32:13.399 --> 01:32:16.279
can tell you that that kind of is their culture sometimes.
1466
01:32:17.000 --> 01:32:19.539
So it's like for her, her grandmother has had an affair.
1467
01:32:20.770 --> 01:32:24.989
but the expectation was that Josie would be prim and proper.
1468
01:32:25.810 --> 01:32:29.590
And then her mother had her at a young age,
1469
01:32:30.090 --> 01:32:36.289
and they had an estranged relationship with her father. And
1470
01:32:36.529 --> 01:32:39.529
she is also grappling with the fact that her boyfriend
1471
01:32:39.560 --> 01:32:43.399
wants to move forward, but because of the way that
1472
01:32:43.500 --> 01:32:47.100
she felt about her culture, she's not able to take
1473
01:32:47.159 --> 01:32:49.800
these leaps. She's not able to experience a side of
1474
01:32:49.840 --> 01:32:54.420
herself that... because of the insecurities or the concerns and
1475
01:32:54.479 --> 01:32:58.020
fears that her family have put into her brain. So
1476
01:32:58.060 --> 01:33:02.199
she's got these barriers. And now she's resentful and she's
1477
01:33:02.399 --> 01:33:06.800
angry and she's lashing out. And she's doing that because
1478
01:33:07.310 --> 01:33:11.770
she's denying herself something that she was told, you have
1479
01:33:11.810 --> 01:33:14.510
to deny this aspect of yourself. You have to be
1480
01:33:14.550 --> 01:33:17.609
careful with it. This is something that's sacred. And she's
1481
01:33:17.630 --> 01:33:20.340
finding out that the people in her life didn't hold
1482
01:33:20.399 --> 01:33:24.140
that same sort of sacred cow mentality to their own
1483
01:33:24.260 --> 01:33:27.699
sexual activity. And so she's angry and she's lashing out
1484
01:33:27.739 --> 01:33:28.159
about it.
1485
01:33:28.279 --> 01:33:31.439
It's like Nonna is being like, don't make the mistakes
1486
01:33:31.520 --> 01:33:35.149
I made, do better. Mum's like, don't make the mistakes
1487
01:33:35.250 --> 01:33:36.390
I made, do better.
1488
01:33:36.590 --> 01:33:39.550
And Josie's like, you're on the floor, just like me.
1489
01:33:39.989 --> 01:33:43.529
But the problem is, though, that they're not owning up
1490
01:33:43.569 --> 01:33:47.569
to their mistakes and explaining where their directions are coming from.
1491
01:33:48.220 --> 01:33:53.810
And that's... You know, that's the problem for them is
1492
01:33:53.890 --> 01:34:05.119
that they are saying to her, you know, make sure
1493
01:34:05.180 --> 01:34:08.960
that you do this thing. And they're not providing the context.
1494
01:34:10.020 --> 01:34:13.659
You know, so for her poor Nonna there, she's explaining
1495
01:34:13.720 --> 01:34:18.210
that this seduction that happened, this loneliness she experienced when
1496
01:34:18.229 --> 01:34:25.409
her husband was away. that she was seduced. She talks
1497
01:34:25.470 --> 01:34:28.069
about it being the devil and that's related to her
1498
01:34:28.850 --> 01:34:31.930
cultural background and I would understand why she would feel
1499
01:34:31.949 --> 01:34:38.199
that that temptation was from the devil and she's trying
1500
01:34:38.239 --> 01:34:42.279
to explain this mistake and she's trying to explain this
1501
01:34:42.319 --> 01:34:48.079
to her daughter whereas you know and she feels that
1502
01:34:48.119 --> 01:34:50.310
she's passed this down to her child and that's why
1503
01:34:50.350 --> 01:34:55.479
her child had a young pregnancy and now she's trying
1504
01:34:55.500 --> 01:35:00.520
to explain this generational guilt to a granddaughter. And so it's, it's,
1505
01:35:01.289 --> 01:35:06.750
and yeah, it's heartbreaking. You know, that all of these
1506
01:35:06.869 --> 01:35:11.109
people like this, you know, there's three generations of Italian
1507
01:35:11.149 --> 01:35:15.680
women are all coming to grow. Like they're all grasping
1508
01:35:16.859 --> 01:35:20.039
at their own separate pressures that they will put on. Yeah.
1509
01:35:20.789 --> 01:35:23.689
You know, her non are at a young age, a
1510
01:35:23.729 --> 01:35:25.729
very young age. You know, they were only teenagers when
1511
01:35:25.760 --> 01:35:30.920
they got married then. She was tempted by another man
1512
01:35:31.539 --> 01:35:35.859
outside of marriage and, you know, she made a mistake.
1513
01:35:36.039 --> 01:35:40.890
And then her mother put that onto Josie's mother and
1514
01:35:41.020 --> 01:35:45.350
Josie's mother then ended up making, not a mistake, but,
1515
01:35:45.409 --> 01:35:49.029
you know, gave into an impulse. And then her mother
1516
01:35:49.069 --> 01:35:52.380
treated her poorly because... She felt, okay, this is my
1517
01:35:52.460 --> 01:35:55.880
fault indirectly. Now my daughter's done it. And then both
1518
01:35:55.939 --> 01:35:59.439
of them have ended up putting this pressure as well
1519
01:36:00.939 --> 01:36:05.630
on Josie. And now Josie is having the, like she
1520
01:36:05.810 --> 01:36:10.729
also has an unhealthy relationship with sex. Yeah. And that's
1521
01:36:10.750 --> 01:36:15.810
what we talk about with, this is my counselor training
1522
01:36:15.880 --> 01:36:18.619
coming in, in case anyone is curious as to how
1523
01:36:18.699 --> 01:36:25.010
I know these things. Context is extremely important when understanding behavior.
1524
01:36:26.609 --> 01:36:31.550
So Josie's exhibiting the behavior. Why is she exhibiting this behavior?
1525
01:36:31.590 --> 01:36:34.829
Why is she exhibiting this reluctancy? And don't get me wrong.
1526
01:36:34.909 --> 01:36:36.810
I'm not saying that Josie needs to go out and
1527
01:36:36.850 --> 01:36:39.569
have sex. She can choose to do that when she
1528
01:36:39.609 --> 01:36:43.220
feels comfortable. Right now, she doesn't feel comfortable. But if
1529
01:36:43.229 --> 01:36:46.449
she was to come to me as a client and say,
1530
01:36:46.729 --> 01:36:50.920
you know, Matthew, I'm struggling with Deciding when is the
1531
01:36:50.979 --> 01:36:54.739
right time to have sex or to engage in that.
1532
01:36:55.399 --> 01:36:59.470
Understanding someone's cultural and familial background is very important for
1533
01:36:59.550 --> 01:37:02.729
explaining behavior. And that applies to all of us with
1534
01:37:02.789 --> 01:37:03.789
all of our behaviors.
1535
01:37:13.859 --> 01:37:15.119
Trying to rebuild the family.
1536
01:37:20.420 --> 01:37:24.310
I love his performance in this. La Paglia's performance is just,
1537
01:37:25.250 --> 01:37:29.850
it's very, it's very, very real. And we're back to
1538
01:37:29.909 --> 01:37:30.850
the source.
1539
01:37:30.890 --> 01:37:31.210
Yeah.
1540
01:37:32.869 --> 01:37:35.300
And yeah, again, you know, we're just about to, I
1541
01:37:35.319 --> 01:37:38.020
think we're getting very close to finishing the film now,
1542
01:37:38.460 --> 01:37:40.680
you know, so we've come full circle. So this has
1543
01:37:40.720 --> 01:37:44.800
been our year. Yeah. You know, school is finished. She's
1544
01:37:44.840 --> 01:37:49.529
experienced so many things and yeah, a family that was
1545
01:37:49.750 --> 01:37:53.569
disconnected has now become a family that is connected. And
1546
01:37:53.609 --> 01:37:55.850
they're connected through their bond with her as she is
1547
01:37:55.909 --> 01:37:58.649
becoming more mature and they're able to share more of
1548
01:37:58.710 --> 01:38:02.409
themselves with her. You know, her grandmother has been able
1549
01:38:02.430 --> 01:38:04.909
to share this big part of her life and so
1550
01:38:04.949 --> 01:38:07.270
has her father and so has her mother and they've
1551
01:38:07.489 --> 01:38:15.800
all found this connection. And so now, you know, And so, yeah,
1552
01:38:15.880 --> 01:38:20.470
now they're, and see that little comment there, like a motorcycle, well,
1553
01:38:20.489 --> 01:38:24.109
better than the charger, because they're sharing that bond now. Yeah.
1554
01:38:24.750 --> 01:38:30.460
And that understanding. And now it's time for. yeah.
1555
01:38:30.939 --> 01:38:32.239
He's going to join the clan.
1556
01:38:32.760 --> 01:38:35.119
Well, he has to, that has to be part of
1557
01:38:35.159 --> 01:38:39.739
the change is he needs to integrate. They need to
1558
01:38:39.810 --> 01:38:42.050
not be biased towards him. And he needs to not
1559
01:38:42.090 --> 01:38:45.739
be biased towards them as well. So for him, he
1560
01:38:45.779 --> 01:38:47.319
needs to also mature.
1561
01:38:47.930 --> 01:38:51.350
Welcome to the family. Get to work. Sounds very familiar.
1562
01:38:51.390 --> 01:38:59.869
Yeah. So he needs to mature as well. And, you know,
1563
01:39:00.680 --> 01:39:04.340
that's sort of what it all is about for, you know, Josie.
1564
01:39:04.939 --> 01:39:07.100
Now the friends are coming in to help as well.
1565
01:39:08.319 --> 01:39:09.319
The family expands.
1566
01:39:10.090 --> 01:39:13.090
What's great about this too is it's classic storytelling. You
1567
01:39:13.130 --> 01:39:16.630
can go back to Joseph Campbell's Hero's Journey and you
1568
01:39:16.649 --> 01:39:19.729
can literally follow the stages of the Hero's Journey with
1569
01:39:19.750 --> 01:39:25.739
Josie throughout this 12 months. Yeah, no, I think it's
1570
01:39:25.760 --> 01:39:30.260
a fantastic film and there is a reason why it
1571
01:39:30.340 --> 01:39:35.260
was so, yeah, and say the encroaching of the future
1572
01:39:35.300 --> 01:39:38.319
as well, like the planes flying over the suburbs. Yep.
1573
01:39:39.470 --> 01:39:42.670
which drove a lot of Sydneysiders insane and is also
1574
01:39:42.729 --> 01:39:50.729
the premise of the castle. Yeah.
1575
01:39:51.670 --> 01:39:53.590
She's not in a hurry to run away. Like at
1576
01:39:53.609 --> 01:39:57.630
the beginning of the film, she's actually being part of
1577
01:39:57.670 --> 01:39:58.130
the culture.
1578
01:39:58.310 --> 01:40:02.090
Yeah. Well, it's, it's because like I said, like there's a,
1579
01:40:02.829 --> 01:40:07.229
an understanding now, um, you know, it would be kind
1580
01:40:07.270 --> 01:40:11.600
of fascinating to, in our history of, like, sequeling and
1581
01:40:11.760 --> 01:40:13.600
rebooting and all that sort of shit.
1582
01:40:14.720 --> 01:40:16.000
To visit Josie's daughters?
1583
01:40:16.239 --> 01:40:20.770
Yeah, or son, perhaps, and sort of take another crack
1584
01:40:20.850 --> 01:40:24.239
at what the teenage experience is, because I don't know
1585
01:40:24.310 --> 01:40:27.829
what the teenage experience is these days. And I think
1586
01:40:27.869 --> 01:40:32.409
that would probably be extremely relevant to take another crack
1587
01:40:32.470 --> 01:40:36.310
at it. So, yeah, that's the credits. Great little film.
1588
01:40:36.869 --> 01:40:41.989
I quite enjoy it. So, a couple of pieces of trivia.
1589
01:40:42.069 --> 01:40:45.420
This is the way we normally end these things. As
1590
01:40:45.460 --> 01:40:48.079
Holly mentioned before, the novel Looking for Alibrandi is the
1591
01:40:48.119 --> 01:40:53.140
most stolen book from Australian high school libraries. Anthony LaPaglia's character,
1592
01:40:53.680 --> 01:40:58.260
Michael Enderetti, lives in Adelaide, where LaPaglia himself was born.
1593
01:41:02.460 --> 01:41:05.520
Pia Miranda once stated that the movie stalled her acting
1594
01:41:05.579 --> 01:41:07.720
career and was one of the main reasons she had
1595
01:41:07.739 --> 01:41:10.420
to turn to voice acting, which does not surprise me.
1596
01:41:10.899 --> 01:41:13.890
This does unfortunately happen to people who get caught in
1597
01:41:14.159 --> 01:41:18.750
iconic film, and it's extremely difficult, especially because she does
1598
01:41:18.850 --> 01:41:24.510
play so much younger. The firm that Michael Andretti works
1599
01:41:24.550 --> 01:41:27.210
for is called Clayton Utes. Clayton Utes is a real
1600
01:41:27.229 --> 01:41:30.369
law firm. One of the biggest national law firms in Australia,
1601
01:41:30.449 --> 01:41:32.739
one of the scenes was filmed in their Sydney offices,
1602
01:41:33.500 --> 01:41:35.199
which is most likely how they managed to get the
1603
01:41:35.239 --> 01:41:38.779
filming rights, was by mentioning them in the movie. There
1604
01:41:38.819 --> 01:41:41.159
are 13 tracks on the soundtrack album, two of which
1605
01:41:41.220 --> 01:41:44.750
do not appear in the film, which is Killing Heidi's Weir.
1606
01:41:44.930 --> 01:41:46.050
Do you remember Killing Heidi?
1607
01:41:46.210 --> 01:41:47.170
I know Killing Heidi, yes.
1608
01:41:47.630 --> 01:41:51.010
And Lotel's Teenager of the Year. The trailer mentions two
1609
01:41:51.050 --> 01:41:53.449
of these bands, Killing Heidi and Lotel, though none of
1610
01:41:53.489 --> 01:41:56.020
their music is heard in the film. The Killing Heidi
1611
01:41:56.039 --> 01:41:58.399
song is heard in the background of the trailer itself,
1612
01:41:58.460 --> 01:42:01.020
the version of Teenager of the Year, heard in the
1613
01:42:01.060 --> 01:42:04.159
film as performed by Brendan Starr. Happy Land also heard
1614
01:42:04.199 --> 01:42:09.949
performing to Torella D. Luna during the film. Pam Miranda
1615
01:42:10.029 --> 01:42:13.109
was 27 when the movie was released, as we mentioned,
1616
01:42:13.170 --> 01:42:14.689
so she would have been filming that when she was
1617
01:42:14.710 --> 01:42:18.149
about 25. Senator Barton and his son John were named
1618
01:42:18.170 --> 01:42:23.189
in reference to Australia's... First Prime Minister. Good job, Edmund Barton.
1619
01:42:24.010 --> 01:42:27.409
In the novel by Melina Macheta, Josie discovers that her
1620
01:42:27.430 --> 01:42:31.439
paternal grandmother's name is Pia, to which she states, I
1621
01:42:31.479 --> 01:42:33.640
thank God at that moment that I wasn't named after
1622
01:42:33.680 --> 01:42:38.239
my paternal grandmother, Pia. Yep. In the film, Josie is
1623
01:42:38.300 --> 01:42:43.119
played by actress Pia Miranda. Ouch. Pia Miranda's debut film.
1624
01:42:43.640 --> 01:42:47.420
This is a movie used in high school EALD. Students
1625
01:42:47.439 --> 01:42:51.520
have diverse cultural backgrounds and often come from overseas English classes.
1626
01:42:51.619 --> 01:42:54.260
So this is a A film to help them understand
1627
01:42:54.300 --> 01:42:56.340
the culture of Australia, which makes a lot of sense.
1628
01:42:57.699 --> 01:43:02.159
And yeah, I don't think she had a lot of work.
1629
01:43:03.260 --> 01:43:04.579
Pia Miranda?
1630
01:43:04.739 --> 01:43:05.199
Yeah.
1631
01:43:06.380 --> 01:43:10.319
Not really. I was flicking through her filmography there.
1632
01:43:10.520 --> 01:43:13.239
There's actually a film coming up very shortly that she's
1633
01:43:13.300 --> 01:43:17.789
in that I do want to see. Yeah. which is called,
1634
01:43:17.970 --> 01:43:20.670
if I have a look at her IMDb filmography here.
1635
01:43:21.550 --> 01:43:25.840
In the credits. And finally, Grazie and Baki.
1636
01:43:25.880 --> 01:43:26.600
Goodbye, good luck.
1637
01:43:27.899 --> 01:43:29.720
Thank you, and I don't know what Baki is.
1638
01:43:30.180 --> 01:43:32.960
Well, she was in Aunty Donna's Coffee Cafe in two
1639
01:43:33.020 --> 01:43:36.979
episodes as Nick, which I definitely, I watched that.
1640
01:43:37.000 --> 01:43:38.920
You're going to have to go back and find it now,
1641
01:43:38.979 --> 01:43:39.319
aren't you?
1642
01:43:39.460 --> 01:43:42.850
I'll have to have another look at that. She has
1643
01:43:42.930 --> 01:43:45.670
had a relatively successful career.
1644
01:43:45.989 --> 01:43:49.369
Showtime Australia. Wasn't that a Foxtel channel?
1645
01:43:49.529 --> 01:43:54.970
So, yeah. So, Showtime was a production company in the States. So,
1646
01:43:55.930 --> 01:43:59.350
there would have been a little bit of co-financing from
1647
01:43:59.409 --> 01:44:02.260
America there. Yeah, just having a bit of a look
1648
01:44:02.279 --> 01:44:09.319
through her filmography, there hasn't been, like, definitely, like, some episodes. Yep.
1649
01:44:10.680 --> 01:44:14.819
Interestingly enough, in the crime show Wentworth, her name was Jodie.
1650
01:44:15.819 --> 01:44:19.350
So not Josie, but Jodie. And yeah, having a bit
1651
01:44:19.369 --> 01:44:24.569
of a look there, there's.
1652
01:44:23.010 --> 01:44:23.609
Not much else.
1653
01:44:23.970 --> 01:44:29.130
Yeah. It's a bit of a shame. It happens. Iconic performances.
1654
01:44:30.229 --> 01:44:38.300
You either start layering iconic performances, like Michael Keegan from
1655
01:44:38.840 --> 01:44:39.260
The Castle.
1656
01:44:40.100 --> 01:44:40.840
Yes, yes.
1657
01:44:41.340 --> 01:44:42.359
Or you have a one and done.
1658
01:44:42.960 --> 01:44:45.760
But he became like an Australian maystay, though, Michael Crichton.
1659
01:44:45.779 --> 01:44:49.880
That's what I mean. You either layer your iconic roles
1660
01:44:50.319 --> 01:44:51.020
or you get one.
1661
01:44:51.399 --> 01:44:51.600
Yeah.
1662
01:44:51.720 --> 01:44:54.819
You can't kind of dip in and out of low-level stuff.
1663
01:44:55.090 --> 01:45:00.810
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Like, you end up being an iconic
1664
01:45:00.930 --> 01:45:05.949
Australian actor or an iconic Australian character. Yeah. Like, even
1665
01:45:06.090 --> 01:45:09.970
once Paul Hogan did Crocodile Dundee, it was... really difficult
1666
01:45:10.010 --> 01:45:12.510
for him, I think, to find a career outside of that.
1667
01:45:12.869 --> 01:45:16.369
Even though he did, what's the most iconic Paul Hogan
1668
01:45:16.409 --> 01:45:17.109
film that you've seen?
1669
01:45:17.130 --> 01:45:20.489
You think Paul Hogan and you go Crocodile Dundee. You
1670
01:45:20.529 --> 01:45:23.050
think John Jarrett and you think Wolf Creek or you
1671
01:45:23.090 --> 01:45:28.060
think Better Homes and Gardens and stuff like that. You
1672
01:45:28.100 --> 01:45:32.439
think Chris Hemsworth and you think very little about his
1673
01:45:32.500 --> 01:45:35.100
Australian soap tour and you go straight to Hollywood.
1674
01:45:35.340 --> 01:45:39.810
Absolutely. Absolutely. Heath Ledger was an example of an actor
1675
01:45:39.850 --> 01:45:42.670
as well who managed to transition out of that and
1676
01:45:43.029 --> 01:45:46.029
had quite a few iconic roles. Now, just quickly before
1677
01:45:46.069 --> 01:45:48.689
I wrap this up as well, we did, of course,
1678
01:45:48.729 --> 01:45:52.939
talk about themes of teenage suicide throughout this. If you
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are experiencing any sort of suicidal ideation, depression, just need
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some support, someone to talk to, you've got In Australia Lifeline,
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which can be reached on 131114.com. You have a suicide
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callback service, 1-300-659-467. Kids Helpline, another great service there, 1-800-551-800.
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And Men's Line Australia, which is another fantastic organization, 1-300-7899-78.
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So Lifeline is a fantastic resource. They're trained with their
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own in-house counseling training. And you also have Beyond Blue
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as well. So those are very important things. If you
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need that, reach out to those organizations. But yeah, that
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pretty much wraps up the audio commentary. We haven't done
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one of these for a while, but we're off to
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Brisbane very shortly. So we needed to get some stuff recorded.
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And I mean, you guys have said that you actually
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like it if we occasionally.
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Break it up. People do like these, which I find
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is interesting.
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If we do another one, I reckon we should do
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Hating Alice and Ashley.
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I've never even heard of that one.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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Because I did the book. It stars Delta Goodrum.
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Oh, okay. Right. That's interesting.
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So, yeah, we'll have to source the movie and we'll
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get you to do your first spirits.
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There's another fun one that I want to do at
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some point, especially as we get towards Halloween, which is
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called The Loved Ones, which is an interesting horror comedy
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kind of movie.
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Question mark.
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But, yeah, I'd highly recommend looking for Alibrandi. You can
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pick that up from Umbrella Entertainment. if you want a
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physical copy, and I believe it's also available now on
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streaming services.
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Probably on Stan. Everything Australian seems to end up there eventually.
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Yeah, and Umbrella has their own streaming service as well.
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So it's a great transfer, beautiful little Australian film. Well,
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that's it from us, but a few housekeeping things before
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we let you go. Don't forget you can reach out
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to us on these social medias. Just type in We
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Crap in Australia into your social media of choice. We
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will pop up. You can also shoot us through an email,
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wecraftinaustralia at gmail.com. Perhaps you have some fond memories of
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stealing your copy of Looking for Alibrandi. We'd love to
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hear from you. So shoot those through. You can also
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support the show by checking out our Patreon for only
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$ 5 USD a month. You get access to bonus minisodes
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and these episodes are released to you ad-free, which is
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also very handy if you're listening to an audio commentary
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track because the free version will definitely insert ads into it,
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which will muck you up. You'll have to pause and
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rewind to do that. You can also check out our
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book series, Woodcraft in Australia, Volume 1 to 7 are
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available now. Very exciting. Yep. You can pick up your
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physical copies from impactcomics.com.au. Don't forget some of those are signed.
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Make sure you get in quickly before they disappear. You
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can also grab the book from our international printers, which
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is lulu.com, and you can pick up the digital edition
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from the Kindle store. You can also grab a We
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Crap in Australia t-shirt from our Tee Public and Redbubble storefronts. Again,
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We Crap in Australia, into that search bar. It's going
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to bring up all those wonderful designs there. And as
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our custom, we give Holly the final words. Actually, for
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your final words, if I can direct you a little bit,
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what would you review this film? How would you review
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this film? What's your two-sentence review?
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Strangely nostalgic.
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Strangely nostalgic?
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For someone who didn't have an Italian family, it's very nostalgic.
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It's very universal in how it depicts that particular type
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of Australian teenager at that time. 100%. Great acting. I
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think a great 12 months in the life of character.
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And yeah, I'd highly recommend it. That's Looking for Alibrandi. Well,
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ladies and gentlemen, please stay safe, be kind to each other,
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and we will see you next week for more Weird
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Crap in Australia. Until then, bye for now. Bye. The
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Weird Crap in Australia podcast is produced by Holly and
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Matthew Soule for The Modern Meltdown. If you've enjoyed this podcast,
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please rate and review on your favorite podcatching app.