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00:00:05.194Hello everyone, and welcome to our weekly podcast brought to you by Vijay Oncology.
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00:00:09.908This week, we will be covering the latest developments in artificial intelligence
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00:00:14.949in the field of oncology so far in 2026, and what it means for clinicians who are.
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00:00:45.219getting online when they ask about AI and cancer care?
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00:00:48.977So not about using AI to, you know, give them information about how to treat
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00:00:52.437their cancer, but what, if they want to know what can AI do in cancer care,
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00:00:53.659what information are they getting?
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00:00:59.142And they looked at both Google and YouTube, so Google web pages, YouTube videos.
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00:01:02.805This was not chatbot generated content, but really indexed web content.
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00:01:10.665And they found a really small number of resources, both on Google and YouTube, that address this.
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00:01:15.107And most of the resources were at about a 12th grade reading level,
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00:01:34.727And that's really significant because we need our patients to understand what
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00:01:42.997And this really speaks to the need for broader patient guidelines and content
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00:01:47.420about what AI can do, but also what AI can't do and the potential dangers of AI.
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00:02:09.286Cancer conversation. We have clinicians, we have patients, we have industry
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00:02:11.886of all these people that are part of the AI conversation.
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00:02:18.266But I think the concern that's really driven by this study is increasingly patients
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00:02:20.482are using AI for health information.
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00:02:24.462Patients are turning to online resources for information.
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00:02:29.516And so it's important that they understand that when we find that information
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00:02:50.356is recommending and what AI is recommending, right?
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00:02:54.546And I think it comes down to there's still the arch of medicine where we take
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00:02:56.576guidelines and we apply them to each patient.
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00:03:02.876But I think it's this broader question of how does the content that our patients
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00:03:06.424are consuming online impact outcomes?
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00:03:13.126And we have to remember that what comes from generative AI is the prompt that
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00:03:14.795is fed into generative AI.
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00:03:24.512And so if we don't educate the community on this, what you're inputting may
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00:03:27.784impact the and then ultimately impact cancer outcomes.
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00:03:32.530Next up, Gil Shamay from the Technian Israel Institute of Technology,
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00:03:37.820PIFAR, explores the clinical utility of discordances between conventional biolicoid
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00:03:42.660assays and deep learning-based histology predictions across six countertops.
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00:03:48.740It's well known today that AI models can predict molecular information from,
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00:03:54.880images, microscopic images of the tumor, meaning from H&E slide images.
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00:04:00.330Many studies have already been done on this topic. In fact, we already started
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00:04:02.813developing such models 10 years ago.
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00:04:07.342And two months ago, one of our studies was published in Lancet Oncology,
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00:04:12.550where we developed an AI model to predict the oncotype score from HND images
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00:04:21.488Now, although these studies showed better and better performance over the years,
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00:04:27.792this performance reached a limit, meaning that there are always cases where the AI model is wrong,
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00:04:33.173or that it doesn't match the molecular assay it intends to predict.
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00:04:38.990For this reason, these models are often viewed today as low-cost,
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00:04:44.601efficient, but inferior surrogates of the gold-standard molecular assays,
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00:04:55.255What we show in our new study here at ASCO is that the mistakes of the AAI are
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00:04:57.202not actually random errors.
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00:05:04.163We show that AI learns new information that it was not directly trained to predict.
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00:05:09.005And what happens is that the model doesn't really see the molecular information
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00:05:12.402in the image. It doesn't see the receptors or the gene expression.
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00:05:18.886Instead it sees the downstream effect of this molecular SAS reflected in the image.
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00:05:23.635For example, a tumor can be ER positive by immunostochemistry,
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00:05:29.955meaning that it has estrogen receptors, but still irresponsive to estrogen because
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00:05:32.320its ER pathway is inactivated.
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00:05:37.439For example, a tumor can be ER positive by immunostochemistry,
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00:05:44.095which means it has estrogen receptors, but still irresponsive to estrogen because
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00:05:46.455its ER pathway is inactivated.
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00:05:50.704This means that the tumor may act like an ER-negative tumor,
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00:05:54.445which means that it may look like an ER-negative tumor. And this is what the
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00:05:57.585AI eventually sees in the HND image. So the AI predicts it as.
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00:06:03.485ER-negative, meaning that the AI doesn't see the receptors,
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00:06:13.663it sees if the tumor is responsive to estrogen, We also showed that these discordances between the AI,
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00:06:20.303predictions from H&E images and the molecular essays are biologically meaningful
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00:06:29.345Following on, Mafia Curran from Medicine Elizabeth Healthcare,
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00:06:43.399AI is probably one of the fastest growing platforms in oncology and the proper
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00:06:48.063use of it is something that will need to be discussed and implemented in the future.
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00:06:53.839One of the things that, you know, my talk touches on is to understand exactly
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00:06:59.429how as an oncologist, this will affect trainees, the next generation global
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00:07:02.149practice in the world setting as well.
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00:07:06.019And then also looking at how it affects patients most importantly.
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00:07:10.689So I think if you look at how artificial intelligence can affect all three of these things.
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00:07:15.559I think patients are probably the one that I think it has the largest impact on as well.
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00:07:20.959And that can encompass many different things that it can range from tools that
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00:07:22.223help with supportive care.
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00:07:28.369Other things that touch on artificial intelligence scribes that help improve
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00:07:33.479time with patients from a physician standpoint, and also improving time spent
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00:07:40.929Other things such as early screening, drug discovery, many potential applications
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00:07:43.310that all affect patients over time.
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00:07:48.633In terms of trainees, I think that artificial intelligence and the use of it
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00:07:50.642in oncology specifically is at a
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00:07:55.919critical point in time where we need to understand how artificial intelligence
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00:07:59.129tools are being developed, what data is really going into that,
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00:08:02.200and then how our trainees are utilizing that,
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00:08:07.836in their day-to-day life and as they become future oncologists in the future.
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00:08:12.302When we look at the global workforce, how artificial intelligence can affect.
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00:08:19.013How care delivery is administered within low to middle income countries,
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00:08:22.874you look at improving screening specifically as well, too.
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00:08:28.194And there are many models and some tools that are now available that will help
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00:08:35.574you know, limited resources overall, too, that will help improve detection,
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00:08:45.814Kurian also comments on how AI can reduce disparities in care and the current
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00:08:52.127AI has the potential to be able to
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00:08:58.367improve disparities by early detection, and the use of those tools will then
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00:09:01.683translate into improved outcomes and improved screening rates,
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00:09:05.584which will then lead to reduced cancer rates for those low-to-middle-income countries.
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00:09:11.365The challenge, I think, with this is that it requires infrastructure to be able to
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00:09:16.047make those things happen, and it will also require a lot of upfront capital
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00:09:21.277cost to be able to implement those things successfully in a long-term measure as well too.
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00:09:24.881So I think those are probably the main barriers at this point in time,
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00:09:29.747but I think ASCO and many other organizations are committed to being able to
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00:09:35.247help invest those resources along with many other companies to help level the
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00:09:42.497The things that I think are growing and will become more popular over time will
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00:09:45.913be patient monitoring tools using artificial intelligence.
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00:09:50.377And then also tools like open evidence, I think will become very,
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00:09:56.367very, you know, crucial in terms of how our trainees, how our current workforce
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00:10:05.567The way that I phrase it to individuals of that open evidence and other artificial
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00:10:10.340platforms can elevate the level of care in areas that have.
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00:10:17.947Struggled to have access to good clinical trials, good specialists as well too, that it can
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00:10:22.447level the playing field and improve the care that's delivered within community
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00:10:26.750practices to the level of those within academic practices as well.
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00:10:31.857Next up, we have Jay Patel from the Atrium Health Wake Forest Baptist Comprehensive
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00:10:33.948Cancer Center in North Carolina.
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00:10:38.897It presents expert validation of the novel AI enabled system using large language
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00:10:42.847model-based decision rules and electronic health records to match patients with
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00:10:49.151During this co-development process, really the first phase of this is to validate
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00:10:53.168that platform using real-world data from our own patient records,
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00:10:55.833as well as real cancer trial protocols.
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00:10:59.952And this has really been one of the gaps in prior literature that have mostly
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00:11:01.789focused on synthetic data sets.
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00:11:06.602So we took an opportunity to take thousands of patients within our own health
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00:11:11.722system, develop the model, train the model, use machine learning plus large
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00:11:14.943language models, kind of a hybrid architecture.
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00:11:19.976To further train that model, and then test it in a separate independent test set of patients.
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00:11:23.842So the test set of patients focused on individuals with breast cancer,
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00:11:25.549lung cancer, and pancreatic cancer.
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00:11:30.164So we were matching these patients to retrospective clinical trial protocols.
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00:11:35.950In that study, we identified that there was actually 94% agreement or concordance
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00:11:41.000between a clinical research coordinator reviewing the data versus the AI platform,
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00:11:44.420so performing really just as well as the human review.
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00:11:49.119So at different probability thresholds, we then determined that the platform
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00:11:54.389can have upwards of 99% sensitivity and positive predictive performance really
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00:11:56.365upwards of, again, 90% or so, meaning that.
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00:12:02.639Every nine out of every 10 patients or so that the AI platform says the individual
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00:12:07.464is eligible for the patient, they truly end up being eligible for that particular clinical trial.
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00:12:12.319The biggest reasons that we're going through this process to advance responsible
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00:12:16.849AI use in healthcare as it relates to clinical research, primarily due to the
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00:12:21.609massive burden that this puts on research coordinators as well as our providers.
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00:12:25.879So number one, our physicians that are seeing several patients throughout the
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00:12:30.489day have limited time and capacity to remember every single clinical trial and
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00:12:32.221the eligibility criteria for that trial.
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00:12:36.279So this really prompts them in real time to identify patients who are matching
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00:12:42.909They can then send that information over to a research coordinator who can review
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00:12:48.559the evidence from the AI platform that points them directly to the areas within
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00:12:51.603the chart that that eligibility criteria came from.
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00:12:56.059So with that, we've now seen with our preliminary data, this can save the research
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00:13:00.850coordinators time by at least doubling the amount of patients they could prescreen.
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00:13:02.702And that's really a conservative estimate.
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00:13:08.451Atrium Health, Advocate Health, we tend to put on about 14,000 cancer patients
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00:13:11.205on trials every year as of last year, those are our data.
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00:13:15.751And so we expect we can probably double or triple that volume by leveraging
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00:13:19.167kind of human in the loop AI processes to match patients to trials.
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00:13:25.111Finally, Marie Hanaoka from the Institute of Science Tokyo, Japan explores how
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00:13:29.921AI-derived surgical quality metrics can be incorporated into robotic surgery
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00:13:42.718First, by reviewing video in which enhance the dissection plane or atomic nerves,
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00:13:48.452the surgeon can understand why and where they entered the wrong place.
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00:13:57.424So, I think it is more effectively by reviewing AI-enhanced video than compared with the original one.
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00:14:06.485And I think it also makes it easier to compare the dissection with expert surgeons,
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00:14:13.017and they can recognize how different the exposure of the correct plane can be.
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00:14:20.169This is also my own impression from reviewing many, many of AI-enhanced surgical videos.
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00:14:24.856Second, real-time AI analysis is now available.
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00:14:31.343Although the clinical value still needed to be evaluated.
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00:14:39.392In the future, AI could allow the surgeon when the dissection field is too close
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00:14:41.037to the autonomic nerves.
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00:14:48.102Such a system could encourage the surgeon to improve exposure and maintain a
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00:14:51.067safer, more appropriate dissection plane.
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00:14:55.583So, regarding the competency assessment,
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00:15:01.116Japan currently has a technical certification system for surgeons.
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00:15:05.202At present, evaluation is very.
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00:15:13.290Subjectively assessed by reviewers. If AI could objectively evaluate the surgical
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00:15:19.924mobilization and dissection quality, it could add more objectively to this system.
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00:15:27.386In addition, AI may be useful in initial screening tool to technical assessment,
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00:15:32.748probably to reduce the burden of human reviewers.
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00:15:37.410She also discusses concerns around data ownership, patient's consent,
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00:15:42.152and algorithmic transparency when considering integration of AI into the research.
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00:15:49.294These issues are essential for the reasonable implementation for AI in surgery.
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00:15:56.486First, patients should provide informed consent regarding the use of surgical video and data.
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00:16:04.677Second, data must be securely stored and appropriately anonymized.
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00:16:11.240Regarding algorithm transparency, I believe it is essential that AI systems
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00:16:13.880are validated using data from
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00:16:19.525multiple institutions before they are widely adapted in clinical practice.
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00:16:25.347In addition, the safety of real-term AI assistance and its impact on surgeons',
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00:16:29.706work should also be carefully evaluated.
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00:16:36.980We are currently investigating this issue in an ongoing prospective clinical trial.
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00:16:43.535AI should always support, not replace, surgeon's clinical decision-making, I think.
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00:16:47.269Thank you to our speakers and to you for listening.