PHIL HAUSER AI,ANARCHY & REALITY

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Welcome to the Human Mass podcast.
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Today I've got Phil.
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Now that sounds random just to say Phil, but as you probably know by now, I don't interview people based on their following or whatever.
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I don't think you're even on social media, are you?
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Not really, no.
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No.
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Um it's if I vibe with them and I want to chat to them, then I hope that you guys will also see the same interest and vibe that I'm seeing.
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So uh I've asked Phil, so I've met Phil outside of the internet world where a lot of guests I vibe on the internet with.
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I think, oh, I'll vibe with that person and invite them on or whatever.
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Uh Phil, I met in real the real world.
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And uh so that's how Phil ended up sat in front of me.
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It was a quick way of doing it.
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Um hi Phil.
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Hey, you alright?
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Yeah, thanks for coming.
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Yeah, no worries.
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Okay, now Phil wears many hats, um, as I discovered when I met you.
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Um and I don't know which one I want to ask you about first.
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I'm gonna probably hit side swipe you with one that you probably didn't realise I was gonna ask first, okay?
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Is when we were chatting, because just again, just sorry to just I will talk to you in a second.
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Um, literally, like he's at me for eight years, massively into AI, uh views on um his physics, uh AI, the theories behind life, politics, religion, everything.
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So there's many different things that I could talk about with Phil.
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Um and I like Phil as well because your I'm gonna talk to you now, is um as I think I said to you, that your personality type is quite rare, I think, because there's not many people who can who like to research and can concentrate and do those things and and they're very computer orientated, but then secondary to that, they are I could do that my body language like they are open-minded and not and have a personality if you like.
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Does that make sense?
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Yeah, yeah, definitely.
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Yeah, like a lot of the people in computer sciences.
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Um I think I think like if you're on the spectrum, you often trend towards those things anyway, because there's like a a sense of control around what you can what you can do.
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Like uh and I actually think a lot of people fool themselves into thinking that computers are these uh deterministic machines that you can just feed some input to and get a predictable output from.
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Uh so I think people on the spectrum trend towards that, but that then sort of biases the field into uh definitely people who aren't like spiritually awakened or anything like that.
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Would you class yourself as spiritually awakened?
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I class myself as attempting to be spiritually awakened.
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That is a great answer.
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Right now, on the podcast, I ask one question that's set, and that's it.
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Okay, so before we get into the subjects, that I'm just picking which one in my head as we're talking, but there's a question that I wanted to ask you.
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The reason I gave that background before asking the question is because then I think the question Do you know what the question is?
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You know, don't you?
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People know now.
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Okay, so my question is Phil, who are you?
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It's funny because uh I know that you asked that question.
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I have no idea what the answer is.
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Um and I suppose the way that you introduced me is probably the best version of what the answer could have been because I just I feel like, well, I'm just Phil, right?
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I'm just like a normal guy, father of three nearly four.
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Um yeah, like just Phil.
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Uh yeah, uh it's difficult for for me to really reason about anything more than that.
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Um with you being attempting to be spiritually awakened, yeah.
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You know there's more than that.
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So so you you let go and say what you really, really feel about not just maybe you, because you might be answering on behalf of because uh what I was I don't know if I did it with another guest.
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I went from who are you, and I switched to who are we then?
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See what I mean?
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So you could almost go down that road, you could, couldn't you?
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So who are you slash we then, Phil?
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Would that be more comfortable answering that one?
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Um I I think that for the most part we're all just uh I think most people uh have and therefore myself included, uh just searching for some sort of meaning and purpose, whether that's subconsciously or consciously.
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I think maybe the differentiation is that uh you and I uh are searching for it more consciously and we're not really allowing our subconscious to just direct us quite as much.
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Trying to be too controlling, you mean?
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Yeah, uh or at least not not just controlling, but um I think if you allow your subconscious to direct you uh and you're not an active participant in that direction, then it can cause a lot of um like blind spots and conflicts and stuff.
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So yeah, I I think uh so who am I and uh who are people you know who who maybe are like me uh are probably people who are consciously um the searching for answers like in everyday things.
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Uh yeah.
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Conscious like always curious, probably.
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Yeah, consistently curious.
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Yeah.
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And then what I always surprises me, I never really get the answer either, is what makes you or me or a certain breed of person decide to be consistently curious and completely aware, self-aware that we don't know everything to some people who just are happy.
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In fact, the higher echelons of the world that we don't know that goes on, it's you sometimes you hear they call they call us even and and everybody below them uh useful eaters.
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Have you heard that phrase before?
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Yeah, useful eaters.
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Um, so and everyone human behaviour is typically to judge and look down and look down and look down.
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I don't look down on anybody, everyone's we're all equal.
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But you're not equal in some ways, obviously, like we're not like basketball before, for example.
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He's but better at basketball than me, he's better at football than me, and that's quite normal.
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Yeah, but as a soul level, we should be all equal.
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So uh I suppose what's the difference between if we were to look down, which we're not, but look down on the people that aren't searching and just blissfully unaware and going about life waiting to retire and die.
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What's it what's the makeup difference there, do you think?
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Where does that come from?
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Yeah, it's uh it's one that uh I've wondered about a lot because uh you know there are people in my life, there'll be people in your life who are um blissfully ignorant and they just go through life and whatever comes up in front of their face, they just treat it on its face value and and move on.
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It's who's wrong and who's right, because that's living in the moment.
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And I'm envious of that.
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Um yeah, I think once you once you start down the rabbit hole of um of trying to understand the universe, uh there's there's so many elements of it that are so difficult to understand and and potentially impossible for us to understand that it can be maddening.
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And I think that's why it's like blissful to to be ignorant of those things.
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But then they haven't got the coping mechanisms.
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So, like a child, something's happening to them and they haven't got the coping mechanisms, then they it's full meltdown, and it's the biggest drama in the world.
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Yeah, and it could be something quite minor, yeah.
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But because it's wobbled them a little bit, because they're just blissfully going along like an NPC, yeah, and then something happens and that's it, the whole world's melted down.
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No, no, I'm I'm going over here.
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And that's the bit, I suppose, that's the difference as well, though, isn't it?
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Absolutely, yeah.
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And and you do see we can't be jealous of that, can we?
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Because then the whole world's imploded because of two words, maybe you're like, that's nothing.
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Yeah.
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I don't know though, because you're not in that mindset, so you don't know if you can't be jealous of it.
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Because from the outside looking in, it seems like their world's imploded and it's the worst thing in the world.
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But if they're not suffering any negative side effects, like if they're not getting anxiety from it or or any, you know, like negative mental health side effects from those seemingly minor disturbances to their routine, then perhaps the the the weight of the blissful ignorance outweighs those minor bumps in the road.
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I don't know.
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You know, I get I get that.
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Not in their minds.
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But I think a lot of people bury things, so they they they're not as unaware as they think they are, and they're just burying, they're avoiding dealing with certain issues, yes, and that's a different thing.
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So that they're they're forcing that blissfully unawareness, which then I believe, my personal belief only, is that can manifest itself in illness and things like that, and and and obviously maybe an action that they didn't really want to do, but because they've lashed out and that's caused that's obviously got a reaction, and so either illness or reactions are caused usually by somebody suppressing or not and not dealing with so forceful, blissfully unawareness.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, there's keeping track.
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I mean, there's there's there's there's like two threads there that that are interesting to me.
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Like one of them is um once you are no longer uh blissfully ignorant, you realize how ignorant you currently are, which is which is uh uh self-referential.
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Um and that can send you down like a a negative feedback loop.
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Um, but also you can never go back.
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Like once once you start going down that feedback loop, you can never return to the blissfully ignorant state.
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Each new layer of knowledge that you acquire and understanding that you acquire, you can't very easily at least unacquire it.
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Um yeah, so that that was that was one of the the threads I think is is interesting to um to root down.
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Uh I can't remember the other one.
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So it was yeah, one was blissfully unaware and one was being aware but ignoring it, basically, wasn't it?
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I suppose.
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Yeah, oh and on the uh external, like the ex externalization of um of any of those suppressed, suppressed uh like emotions or uh or knowledge or feeling.
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That that externalization, I can't remember the name of the doctor, and he's been widely discredited.
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It was like in the 1930s, he wrote a book to say that all humans have only a limited number of ways of expressing illness, and the the cause has got nothing to do with that outward expression of illness, and that they're completely unrelated, and that the cause will just surface uh in in in your body wherever you may have, let's say, for example, some inflammation.
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So um so his hypothesis, which like I say, it has been widely discredited, and and we do a lot medical science presumably does a lot better job of uh finding causal links between symptoms and the root cause of the illness.
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But yeah, I think there's something interesting there as well.
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I I feel similar where I think, you know, when you've got a temperature, for example, the immediate assumption is, oh, you've got some sort of infection that you're fighting off.
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Whereas his hypothesis was no, a temperature is just one of the many ways that the human body expresses illness.
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What the root cause is could be completely unrelated.
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It's just that it's triggered some sort of effect, and the way that your body expresses that is through lightheadedness or temperature or you know, swelling or whatever, which I think is interesting because it's sort of similar to what you were saying when you're like if you suppress things too much, perhaps it comes out in a different way, like as as some sort of physical illness.
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But yeah, I think there's a lot there in um like all of all of medical science is just trying to connect cause and effect, um, and it does a really poor job at it.
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And I think there's things there that medical science is gonna be a long way off being able to prove.
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That's where spirituality comes back in.
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Yeah, because I think there's a bridge there, and and it's people that look believe in spirituality, like frequencies, energy, aura fields, these things that have been touched on in science.
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Yeah, but once what science gets there and explains them, yeah, and then does it take away the the spirituality of that person because now it's just a factual mathematical equation that science has proven.
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Yeah.
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Do you know what I mean?
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It's interesting, isn't it?
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It yes, it is because they will prove it one day, won't they?
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Uh you can't see a Wi-Fi signal and there's there's so much we can't see.
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I agree with that.
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Yeah, I think to one level, you're totally right, you you will be able to prove like more and more.
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Um, I think I think there's there's a almost a guarantee that everything we consider factually true today won't be.
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Like it isn't the truth.
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You reckon?
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Yeah, like I I think that um well, I think if you look in history, everything that every uh generation of humanity, going back however old humanity is, always thought that what they were looking at was ground truth, and then humanity has evolved and proved that the majority of what they looked at as ground truth.
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And take any epoch and and that's the case, like there's very little, go back to the ancient Greeks where they thought that there was just four elements, and now, you know, like the the then we thought the periodic table was complete, and then we end up discovering more new elements.
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So I think I think everything we consider factually true today is very unlikely to be factually true.
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I think that's the problem is that we we ended up going too far down that scientific cerebral route, thinking that oh, maths can explain everything, and then um what was his name?
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Girdle.
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Uh if you're familiar with Girdle's incomplete, no, you I've remembered that about you, that you're very good at remembering who said what, and I just know things.
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I don't know, I can't remember the source of them.
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So it's a different way we we do it.
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But like for me, it's like does so does in in that example, like does maths represent the ground truth?
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Is there a is there a ground truth that you can uncover through just like logical deduction and maths?
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Um, and that's been a conflict in philosophy science, maths, uh uh for decades, probably centuries.
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Um, and uh there was a logistician called Goel, and this was the time of like Turing, um, von Neumann, Girdle, who it was like the golden age of mathematics.
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And uh and essentially, cutting a long story short, because it is a long story, Girdle managed to prove that there can be truths that are unprovable mathematically.
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And that truths that are unprovable.
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Yeah, so so the way that maths, uh the foundations of like logic and maths work is that you're supposed to have an axiom, which is a uh verifiable, provable statement.
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So um an addition, like you could have an axiom around addition to say that when you add two things together, the sum is the whole of the two things.
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So that would be the axiom.
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Then you go around proving why that's the case.
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Um so what Girdle managed to prove is that there are some axioms that are true, but it's impossible to prove that they're true.
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Um Can you give an example or not?
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It's um there there are some like really uh shallow examples of um like No, just give a basic one so that everyone gets an understanding basically.
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Yeah, so uh so one example would be um is the answer to this question false?
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So as a logical statement, you could say, is the answer to this question false?
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And if you say yes, then that's false because you've said yes.
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So the answer to the question is in fact true.
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Because the answer to the question is actually what what what what you soon find is that when you get to this sort of meta-level of of mathematics, it's very self-referential.
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It's all about that's what Alan Turing, who invented the modern computer, um, talked a lot about.
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And the Turing machines are all about can a machine like replicate itself, for example.
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Um, so they're always self-referential.
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And and when you get to that point of pure logic, that's when these It's imagination and logic, in it.
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And that's the amazing thing about it.
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It's imagination and logic.
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I can't I can't imagine anyone coming to these sort of conclusions who wasn't already activated on a spiritual plane to some degree, because you have to have you have to be able to step outside of the the world as you see it, like just like Einstein when he was sat in the patents of the thing.
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I know what star signs they were, these people.
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Yeah, that'd be interesting to find out.
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Yeah, that'd be that'd be do you think it's suppressed?
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Because from like governments and stuff, do you think they have then that they have and use a much wider knowledge base than what we're all allowed to see or whatever?
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Because like we know that we're made up of water, don't we?
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A lot of us, yeah?
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And we know, proven, that if you speak positively into water and freeze it and negative into water and freeze it, and you bring it out, they look completely different.
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And we know that the sound waves can affect water differently.
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Yeah.
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And we're water, which is why healing frequencies, people do those uh sound frequency baths and because it's affecting your body, but it's not really used, the government don't push it.
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And then there's seeing them on it's such a daft one, this is, but on Facebook where they put the spoons and the battery and the batches are floating.
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Oh, yeah.
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Seeing them little mean videos that come through.
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And then I and then so there's that one, that one, and then another one I think of is when you're a kid, uh, do you ever use the sun to burn things?
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Yeah, right.
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So in my head, I think, well, that battery thing, just make that a million times bigger, and surely then we've got a a different power source.
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And the sun one, surely we just put a big thing in the sky and we could just now just terminate every country we want to, you know, I would just bad, not in an aggressive way, but what I mean is isn't that the ultimate power on a space?
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Yeah, well that's a Dyson sphere, isn't it?
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So a Dyson sphere is where you you basically build uh a solar, not it wouldn't be traditional solar panels, but you'd build some sort of solar collector around a star and you'd get infinite energy forever.
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So why don't we just why don't for example one of the countries just build a massive magnifying glass and just go on the room?
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That's what Archimedes did in in Syracuse.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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So when the um when the Romans uh attacked Syracuse, um Archimedes put supposedly uh had troops holding uh reflective concave mirrors on a beach to then focus the sun's energy to burn the boats.
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Uh and that's like two and a half thousand years ago or whatever.
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But uh yeah.
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Like the I think those are I'm not dumbed down this conversation, but what I'm trying to do is bring it back to go forward to say why aren't why why aren't the government as humans really going for this sort of thing?
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Why isn't it happening?
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I don't know whether it's the problem is you don't know whether it's uh a top-down um decision.
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Yeah, like an autocratic decision forced on people, or whether it's that classic uh, you know, if uh if a helicopter pilot is one degree off from his destination, um if he's travelling five hundred yards, it doesn't make a difference.
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But if he's travelling thirty miles, then when he reaches his destination, he's miles away from where he should be.
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And is it just that earlier on in in a like Yeah, we discovered that when you make this bigger, it doesn't work.
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Yeah, or no, not not that, but like if the evolution of human uh knowledge and intelligence just for some reason was adjusted off that course.
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I think when you look at ancient Egypt, there's so much going on in um in ancient Egypt that feels like it was on a completely different technological evolutionary course that might end might have ended us up in that kind of place that you're talking about where we are much more spiritual and attuned to energies around us.
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It seems to me like the ancient Egyptians were very much in that.
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How do people build pyramids?
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I was gonna hit you with that one randomly.
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Well, that's it, isn't it?
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What's your theory?
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Is it two and a half million blocks per pyramid?
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I was gonna do say the same thing.
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I've seen that.
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The math don't add up, do they?
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It doesn't add up.
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No.
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So the time frame they were built in 500 miles away.
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It just doesn't add up, does it?
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I I So why wasn't the government things deal with this and answer it?
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This is the big question because you know, like uh there's also um have you heard of the labyrinth of of Egypt?
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No.
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So uh underneath the pyramids.
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It's not underneath the pyramids, uh, it's not in the Giza Plateau, um, but there's uh there's an underground labyrinth, it's like five, five or six layers deep.
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Um and when they first started when the uh like when they first started excavating ancient Egypt in the 1800s, they discovered it.
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Um but it's since been flooded.
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Uh man-made flood as well.
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Um and it's like there's no efforts to excavate it.
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Uh, but someone's done ground penetrating radar scans of the labyrinth, and there's a lot of records about it.
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The ancient Greeks talked about it.
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The ancient Greeks said that the labyrinth of Egypt was greater than all of the Greek accomplishments combined.
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Like it's supposed to be a phenomenal hall, huge stone uh ceiling, like a apparently a single solid stone ceiling that's like four acres.
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It goes down, like I say, five levels.
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And the deeper you go, there's uh it's it's record keeping and and things like that.
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Anyway, the deeper you go, the the the priests, this is what was at least written um by the ancient Greeks, was that the uh the priests would only allow royalty to go to levels like four and five.
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This ground penetrating radar has found a 40-meter long, 40-foot-long um uh like metal oval buried in this labyrinth.
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And you think, okay, that's pretty interesting, isn't it?
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Like, yeah, like like the Egyptians supposedly only had copper, but they wouldn't have that much copper to make such a large object.
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So what is it?
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And why is no one bothered about digging down there to find out?
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Like, is it an alien spaceship?
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Like, is it a portal?
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Is it just uh a geological feature?
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Who knows?
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Like a shovel, like yeah, let's go, let's start.
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Let's start.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But but they're not allowed, like the Egyptian authorities.
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That's what it means.
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This must be something because it's you've seen the high how'd you say glyphics?
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How'd you say the word hieroglyphics?
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Yeah, with like it clearly looks like a helicopter and a tank.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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What is it?
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What is it?
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Yeah, then that and that that's really and that's where I was going from.
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I I believe that we are not told half of what our history is, what our future could be, what the potential of us as humans are, what we could and I just don't understand why really.
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Just Yeah, I it's just for power's sake, for power, then must be.
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I uh the my only I th I think it's a probably a a a bit of both.
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I think you've got uh some top-down oppression, and I also think that um that society is that misaligned from what it naturally should be that the that there's a lack of uh like curiosity in in the average.
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Is that because we're so well the generally people are just so um I'm doing this like a body language thing, just worried about work and bills and work and bills and it's just and that's it, and they can't see past that.
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But but isn't it crazy that I've been there, you just live in hand to mouth and you can't concentrate on anything, but you've Yeah, like an animal, you're literally an animal, aren't you?
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You're there to breed, eat, go to work, and that's it.
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And yeah, but it it seems it it if you if you for me at least when I start to analyse what society has become, it seems insane and irrational.
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Like this is how we've all sort of decided to live, right?
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Like we're just gonna waste all of our all of our life screwing away.
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Send our children here and they're gonna be right in a brick building for these times and be taught by people that really haven't got much knowledge of the world anyway, because they've been taught in a brick building to constitute them in a brick building.
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It's so unnatural.
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It's so unnatural.
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Uh and uh Well that that feeds me lovely onto 'cause there's the one that I said at the start that I was gonna ask it, you might not know I was gonna ask you about when we were having a chat uh when I met you was um you we ask we were talking about politics and theory and that sort of thing, and you said you are a anarchist.
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Yes.
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Yeah, I know I'm not labelling you like that, that's the bit anarchist says this.
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Um and uh and I um was like then curious because I was like, because I I know I don't know anything, everything.
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So I was like, anarchist, because the first thing that comes into mind when you think of an anarchist is riots and and down with everybody and and chaos.
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You think when you think anarchist, my mind went straight to chaos, yeah.
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So then I wanted to explain it because I thought this guy doesn't match that.
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So I said, can you explain it?
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Didn't I?
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Yeah, and so can you do that now for people who have thought the same thing that I've just thought when I first asked you?
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Yeah, yeah.
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So it's one anarchist.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah, no, I just want to see everything burn.
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No, it's uh yeah, uh so uh it came from actually I was it was when I was training to um like I was doing a lot of running, a lot of training, half marathons and stuff, and uh I always just listen to to books whilst I'm whilst I'm running.
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Um I was listening to uh a book by an economist called Safety in a Mus.
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And um and that really started to open my eyes up to um number one, how like current the the current uh sort of formal planning of economies that they that that societies attempt to do is is mad, it's broken.
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It causes us to be in the state that we were just talking about of like work, work, work.
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You know, if you I think if you dial the clock back to before 1971 when uh Brenton Woods took the US off the gold standard, I think you see a better standard of living.
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And a lot of people would say, Oh yeah, but they didn't have iPhones in the 60s.
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It's like, no, but one um one family member could go out, uh work in 95 and earn enough money to have a nice car, a nice house, and a family of four.
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Can't do that today.
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And the kids get to see the mum because they think she shouldn't gotta go to work.
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Yeah.
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So like I think um I I think I think it I think society comes in peaks and troughs, and I think our local peak uh was the sixties, actually.
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I think that's probably why if we did go to the moon, that's when we that's why we did it then and haven't done it since.
00:24:21.839 --> 00:24:24.319
Yeah, I don't even believe the moon is a is a rock at this point.
00:24:24.640 --> 00:24:26.079
Well let's come back to that one.
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Right, the moon, the moon, the moon, I can't forget about this.
00:24:29.119 --> 00:24:31.039
Um, okay.
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Uh but so anyway, so this this book started to like unravel uh this history for me because you know I was born in the very late 80s, I'm almost 90s.
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Um but yeah, so uh it started to unravel a lot of this for me.
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So I started to dig into it and I found um I found the Austrian economists, and as you sort of alluded to, what I like to do when I approach a subject is just go straight to the core source materials and then build myself up from there.
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Yeah, he's referenced that, so I've gone find out for myself, and then yeah.
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Yeah, exactly.
00:25:00.799 --> 00:25:04.720
So so I read like a lot of the original Austrian economists, they're called.
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Um, and this was uh sort of around World War I uh and then grew in popularity again around World War II, um, where tyranny uh you know, you could see what the extremes of tyranny would uh would cause.
00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:27.599
Um so the Austrian economists they believe uh basically in something called praxeology, which is human action, which you might uh appreciate the human mask uh podcast.
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But um so human action says that uh economies are the um product of humans acting, and basically any sort of interference or top-down control causes significant negative side effects.
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Um that can all be like that there's plenty of examples of that kind of thing.
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Uh, and it's a very means-based approach instead of an ends-based approach.
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So the idea is that you focus on the uh ethics of a s of the action as opposed to the outcome of the action.
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Um so that all vibes with me because I'm big into means-based ethics.
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If you're familiar with anything ethics, I like Immanuel Kant.
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I like I studied ethics and uh philosophy, and I I love like yeah, I love means-based ethical approaches.
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So that vibed with me.
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So simply put, for people, what's a means-based ethical approach?
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Uh so means-based as you explain it to a five-year-old, you know.
00:26:17.519 --> 00:26:22.559
Yeah, so so there's like a classic example of um uh is lying bad?
00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:23.119
Yes.
00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:25.279
Okay, so well, not in all, yeah, I know.
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There's the difference.
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Yeah.
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There's the difference, right there, in a nutshell.
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Yeah.
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Um that's a great example.
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Yeah.
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So that's a means-based, yeah.
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Lying is always bad.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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Ends-based is depends what the outcome is.
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Uh so um It's usually to do with children, isn't it?
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You think there's no need to tell them.
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Yeah.
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But you always you always take uh you always you always try and take things to extremes to to really stress test ethics anyway.
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Uh but yeah, so uh Austrian economics is uh means-based.
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And essentially when you when you start taking um mixing ethics with economics, you end up um going down this route, which it's called anarcho-capitalism, um, which is on the liberal end of the of the scale.
00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:13.200
So you're very um you don't believe that you need a government and top-down control.
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You think people should be able to just make their own decisions and get on with their own lives, essentially.
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You just leave people alone.
00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:29.759
Um as it happens, when you then run the game theory of how those um people who are left alone uh evolve, there's no reason why that ends up in a bad place.
00:27:29.839 --> 00:27:37.119
Because you always get, oh, what about police or army or you know, I was gonna go there because I did touch on it like when you first told me that, that's where I went, didn't I?
00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:39.680
I said, Well, who's protecting society?
00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:40.559
Yes, exactly.
00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:43.200
And you said, uh do you remember your answer?
00:27:43.440 --> 00:27:52.400
Well, there's the there are a couple of different uh a couple of different answers depending on which which form of protection, but at that time Okay, from crime and violence, yeah, like insurance, which is what it is anyway.
00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:53.279
Right?
00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:54.319
It's just not voluntary.
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And that's the big that's the big difference, is that um you you aren't you aren't volunteering to pay for the best possible police service.
00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:17.759
You get money taken off you, whether you like it or not, and it goes like one way or another, somehow, uh, through to yeah, through to uh a police service who don't have any direct obligation other than goodwill to work on your behalf, because they're gonna get paid anyway.
00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:25.119
Like if that police officer takes 20 minutes to see to see tier instead of the targeted time of 10 minutes, he's still gonna get his paycheck.
00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:32.640
Whereas if you're in a free market um and a company isn't offering the service that you want, well you just change service.
00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:38.720
You know, my phone provider wasn't offering me good signal in this area, I wasn't stuck with them, I could switch.
00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:46.319
So the thing is with that, the thing I I like what you're saying, and and and based on people generally being good, that would work.
00:28:46.640 --> 00:28:55.599
But for in that particular circumstance, let's pretend I was a really bad guy and I've run we're we're in a we're in a um um what's the word again?
00:28:55.920 --> 00:28:56.480
What's the word?
00:28:56.559 --> 00:28:58.079
The the societal word we're talking about.
00:28:58.240 --> 00:28:59.519
Oh, like an anarchistic society.
00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:01.920
Um and capstan, they call it.
00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:03.279
Anarchist, yeah.
00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:06.799
Right, you're nearly above my pay grade, you are right.
00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:10.799
So so then um and I've I'm a security contractor, but I'm a bad guy.
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Right, yeah.
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And and I've scone to I'm I feel you're paying me, I'm protecting you, and and then you're out doing something and trading, and your wife's at home, and we're all nasty people, and we get a uh a feeling for your wife, and we go in and do some bad things to your wife and children.
00:29:24.960 --> 00:29:28.000
You're just gonna go to change my service, but it's all a bit too late, isn't it?
00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:28.400
Yeah, yeah.
00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:30.160
Well, bad people still do bad things though.
00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:30.559
Yeah.
00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:31.440
Even today.
00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:31.920
Yeah, yeah.
00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:32.799
So I see what you're saying.
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That doesn't stop.
00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:41.759
Um Has there been a successful society in history that's that's lived this way.
00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:43.759
This is the root well, okay.
00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:48.400
That's that's a big question, uh, because it depends, it depends what you consider history.
00:29:48.640 --> 00:30:00.079
Like, you know, you you go back to was it six thousand years ago, uh or or maybe a little bit longer, six and a half thousand years ago, to the Sumerians, who was like the first ever civilization, supposedly, which I don't really believe.
00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:01.039
Iran way.
00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:01.680
Yeah, yeah.
00:30:01.839 --> 00:30:08.640
Uh which I I don't believe, but um, but anyway, uh so you go back you know further than that, perhaps to nomadic tribes.
00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:10.079
Well, they certainly lived like that.
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:18.400
There's no there was no um like the police force nomadic European government that controlled what what the tribes did.
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:22.079
So it depends how far back you go, and then it also depends how you're measuring success.
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Are you measuring success that no bad things happen to anybody ever?
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Then of course not.
00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:31.680
Um but I I I think uh I think yeah, if you go back far enough, you'll find it.
00:30:31.839 --> 00:30:44.319
You could say that in modern times, uh Javier Millet in um Argentina, he he ran on a libertarian ticket as the president of Argentina and he got overwhelming support for it, and he did start to reduce the size of the state.
00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:46.720
He quelled their in their rampant inflation.
00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:53.279
I mean, they had hundreds of percent of of hyperinflation almost, and he's quelled that down uh to I don't know, like below 10%.
00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:57.039
So the the principles have definitely been applied.
00:30:57.119 --> 00:31:06.480
Um, but the problem is that uh in my mind, uh because I'm quite absolutist, I'd be like, you've embodied the principles and you've done it a little bit, but you haven't gone all the way.
00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:08.480
So it isn't really test.
00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:08.720
Yeah.
00:31:09.039 --> 00:31:15.440
The same way that there's been no true test of socialism, which would be the exact opposite of uh like anarcho-capitalism.
00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:24.720
Like socialism would be on the highly autocratic end of the scale, where you have to have massive governments, massive bureaucracies in order to evenly distribute uh resources.
00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:26.319
Do you what do you think about socialism?
00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:27.359
Are you a fan of socialism?
00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:28.720
No, I I think it's impossible to work.
00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:29.759
Uh I think so.
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:31.119
Margaret Thatcher, didn't she?
00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:32.640
It's okay to run out of other people's money.
00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:33.279
Yeah, exactly.
00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:35.279
Margaret Thatcher had some brilliant quotes.
00:31:35.440 --> 00:31:39.200
Like I'm not very good at remembering who said what, but that was yeah, I do remember that one.
00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:39.759
Yeah, yeah.
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:43.200
I wanted to get some t-shirts of her quotes printed, but I don't think that would have been very popular.
00:31:43.359 --> 00:31:47.759
But um but I get targets on the streets or something, especially in the north.
00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:53.920
But uh but yeah, so um See, my dad was a miner, but he he he he thought she did good good stuff.
00:31:54.160 --> 00:32:04.880
Yeah, my dad my dad um he did his apprenticeship at the age of 15, left school at 12 with tuberculosis, um, then did an apprenticeship on steam trains at the age of 15 at Crew Loco Works.
00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:10.960
Like he was a you know a a a working man, um yeah, and he he liked Margaret Thatcher.
00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:16.079
Uh but yeah, so like the problem with socialism, it's called the so the the socialist calculation problem.
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:24.319
There's um there's a paper written called iPencil by an Austrian economist uh to highlight what the calculation problem is.
00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:26.000
Um I'll quickly explain it.
00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:31.440
Uh and it's it's it's a really nice essay around the amount of effort it takes to make a pencil.
00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:37.920
So you're saying like the pencil it's it's made of wood, it's painted, it's got graphite on the on the inside of it.
00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:43.599
Um let's say that for some reason there's a shortage of iron.
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:46.640
How would the shortage of iron affect the price of pencils?
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:52.640
Well, it means that the people who are cutting down the trees can no longer afford axes, or at least the price of axes have gone up.
00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:55.200
Not that they can no longer afford it, sorry, the price of axes have gone up.
00:32:55.519 --> 00:33:00.640
So the company that's making the axes puts the price up because there's a shortage, there's a shortage of raw materials.
00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:14.559
Um then the the uh workers who are cutting down the trees to make the pencils, that that business then realizes okay, our our prices have gone up, so we now need to charge a little bit more for pencils to cover the cost of the rise in prices of the axes.
00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:19.359
Uh so then me as a consumer at the end, I pick up the pencil and it was five pence and now it's six pence.
00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:21.119
I'm like, all right, fine, whatever.
00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:29.519
But that price of six pence, that extra penny, has done a lot of work because that's accounted for the uh popularity of that pencil.
00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:34.640
So how many people are buying those pencils determined how much the pencil seller put the price up by.
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:42.960
Then that price is also communicated uh on the um the pencil manufacturer paying for the rise of raw material costs.
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:52.079
Uh also perhaps then the rise of raw raw material costs, they then are using uh you know uh more workers to m to open up more iron mines, etc.
00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:56.799
So the price, that one penny change in price, has done a lot of communication.
00:33:57.200 --> 00:34:01.200
And what socialism tries to do is centrally plan all of that communication.
00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:13.599
Because there are no prices in the socialist, like um in a socialist economy, there should be no prices, my allowance of pencils doesn't change depending on the price of axes.
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:30.079
My allowance of pencils is whatever it is, and if the price of axes goes or if the sorry the scarcity of iron for axes goes up, the socialists have to communicate that scarcity throughout the entire supply chain to every single pencil buyer or not buyer, every single pencil claimer.
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:34.800
Yeah, um and prices do that communication much more efficiently.
00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:47.920
So if you look at just pure efficiency of systems, there's this problem in socialism where an entire economy needs to be planned, where you need to know exactly how many resources need to go where, and you need to be able to plan all that in one central place.
00:34:48.079 --> 00:34:59.199
If you distribute that planning, so if you put that planning into more and more distributed places, you're actually heading closer and closer to capitalism, which is that the the price is the communication of supply and demand.
00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:13.360
And that's for me, that was the the simplest argument for why capitalism as a system, and what we have today I wouldn't class as capitalism, because there's a lot of um there's a lot of government involvement to to promote certain businesses over others, for example.
00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:16.159
It's not a fair, it's not a fair, true open market.
00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:32.719
Um, but that's for me why capitalism uh seemed like a much more uh fair system than socialism, because you just allow the prices to communicate the supply and demand naturally and it's anything can disrupt it, a natural disaster, anything you can't plan those things, exactly.
00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:34.239
And everyone else just move with it, don't they?
00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:39.760
Like it was made really apparent during COVID pandemic where there was shortages of certain resources.
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:44.639
But if you weren't to take that example, you just say like there's a natural disaster somewhere and there's a shortage of water.
00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:52.639
What happens today is that the government steps in and says, Right, no one is allowed to profiteer on water, they all have to sell water for a dollar.
00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:54.159
So what happens?
00:35:54.239 --> 00:36:00.400
Everyone stockpiles water because it's cheap and you're in a natural disaster, so then you get shortages of water.
00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:03.199
What a price is supposed to do is to fight the shortages.
00:36:03.360 --> 00:36:09.679
So if I'm a water reseller and I see there's been a natural disaster, I'm like, oh no, I will profiteer from this.
00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:11.840
I'm gonna bang the price up to ten dollars a bottle.
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:19.679
But then people will only buy what they absolutely need because they don't want to spend all of their money on water, especially at that price, yeah.
00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:20.480
Exactly.
00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:32.639
Um, so it actually levels out it it it it's a better way of distributing uh scarce goods to where they really need to go, um, if you have prices involved, than if you have suppression of markets.
00:36:33.039 --> 00:36:49.199
So that was that was the thread that they were the like the sort of threads of thought that took me from being actually when I was younger, I think most of us associates, was it Thomas Sowell, who said um, if you're a uh if you're not a socialist when you're younger, you have no heart, and if you're not a conservative when you're older, you have no head.
00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:50.400
That's a good one.
00:36:50.559 --> 00:36:51.199
It's so true.
00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:56.800
Yeah, and and I went through that transition, and it was listening to these books on economics that that sent me through that transition.
00:36:57.119 --> 00:37:07.440
What I think is amazing looking at history and things is that all the information that we could anybody can possibly want is found, especially nowadays with the internet.
00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:15.119
You can go and just find, but people just can't be bothered, can they, to really look at in subjects and really dig into them.
00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:18.239
But what they'd rather do is just have a quick surface opinion on something.
00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:18.559
Yeah.
00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:22.320
Like you could wear that you said about you know, it'd be lynched for wearing a Margaret Thatter t-shirt.
00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:24.559
And there'd be no point you're debating it, would they?
00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:28.960
Because of the cognitive dissidence that's been put in place of no, no, no, she's bad, that's it.
00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:29.360
Yeah.
00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:34.800
And and and that goes right back full loop to the the useless ether thing.
00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:36.719
You know, what how do you solve that?
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:44.159
That people just do not want to educate themselves on spirituality, self-awareness, politics, anything, do they?
00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:44.559
No.
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:46.159
And and there's no answer to that, is there?
00:37:46.239 --> 00:37:47.280
There is no real answer, is there?
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:50.559
No, I think that's why when we first Unless they teach it in schools.
00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:52.559
But they don't want you to be that aware.
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:55.760
Otherwise, they'd be teaching these things in schools, properly, debating it.
00:37:56.079 --> 00:37:57.760
But schools teach facts, not behaviours.
00:37:58.079 --> 00:37:58.960
Yeah, that's but they should.
00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:00.800
Like they should they should only teach behaviours.
00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:01.199
Yeah.
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:06.079
Yeah, like I was um I was trying to explain to my To create a better society and a better community.
00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:08.800
Yeah, that's the one that's the that's the only important thing.
00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:11.039
Because the facts, like you said, they're at your fingertips.
00:38:11.199 --> 00:38:12.960
Like imagine where AI is today.
00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:17.519
Fast forward that 10 years when like my kids are looking for a job.
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:22.320
Anything that they've learnt in school will be useless, other than the behaviours that they're they're being taught.
00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:24.159
That's the only thing that will carry them through their lives.
00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:27.920
But that again, I think, is the politicians, and I get it, like what a faff.
00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:31.840
We've got to change the whole school system here because it ain't gonna work going forward.
00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:34.239
We need to absolutely overhaul it.
00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:36.880
That's gonna take some real brave soul to do that.
00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:39.360
What you're arguing for there is uh and Kapistan.
00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:40.079
Really?
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:47.760
Well, yeah, because what you're saying is that oh, the the entire education system adheres to this this bureaucracy and to change it is too much effort.
00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:53.199
But in a free market, if education was free, then this school over here would be like you could start a school tomorrow.
00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:53.760
Exactly, right?
00:38:54.880 --> 00:38:58.400
If it was more successful, the market would decide and more people would come to our school.
00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:00.000
Yes, so I do agree with that one then.
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:02.639
Yeah, well, it's like the BBC were forced to have that.
00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:03.039
Yeah.
00:39:03.280 --> 00:39:04.480
You're forced to pay a TV license.
00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:08.480
I haven't got into it because I can't bother with the faff of getting letters and saying so.
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:11.199
I I do pay it, but I don't want to pay, I don't watch it, I'm not bothered.
00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:11.440
Yeah.
00:39:11.599 --> 00:39:13.440
And it but to me, that's wrong, isn't it?
00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:14.559
It should be a free market.
00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:17.039
If you think you're that good, go out into the free market.
00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:20.159
Go against Sky News and and GB News and all these different people then.
00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:20.639
Yeah, yeah.
00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:23.599
Everything should everything should have a free market test, I think.
00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:39.280
The problem is that when you and we're like still on the um anarcho-capitalist thread, is that when you start to look at some of the more extreme levels about like safety nets and uh healthcare and things like that, um, that's when a lot of emotion uh comes into it.
00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:46.719
Yeah, because if if the if the poor or if you're poor and you want decent healthcare for your mother or your child, you should be able to get in a good society.
00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:49.280
Exactly basic healthcare.
00:39:49.599 --> 00:40:04.320
Yes, and they're they're the much more difficult to argue fringes, like child protective services type fringes of how do you how do But then as a community, if they knew that was going on back in the days we were talking about, or we as men of the community would go in and deal with it ourselves.
00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:05.280
That's exactly the answer.
00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:07.199
That's exactly the answer, isn't it?
00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:19.840
If it's proven, but then that's where that's when you go into the next thing, then proven, because then you could take a disliking to that bloke because the wife's looking at him funny, and you could stop creating rumours, and that poor bloke then any proof has been lynched.
00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:23.360
Yeah, but you'd still have you'd still have a process, a community process.
00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:24.800
You'd have law and order.
00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:29.199
You can have law and order in a in an archo-capitalist world, in an anarchist world.
00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:31.920
You don't need a government to have judges, right?
00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:36.239
So someone's appointed, he's a fair guy, he's got common sense, we'll make it.
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:37.599
But it'd be a free market, wouldn't it?
00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:38.079
Yeah, yeah.
00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:39.280
So we voted for this guy.
00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:42.079
I want to be a judge, so I'm gonna start judging on cases.
00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:44.320
A couple of people come to me and I make terrible judgments.
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:46.400
Everyone goes, No, you're not going to him again.
00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:46.639
Yeah.
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:47.039
Right?
00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:50.159
Like everybody, it's in it's in the two parties who are going to the judge.
00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:52.880
It's in both of their best interests that it's a fair judge, right?
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:54.159
Even if one of the parties is malicious.
00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:56.400
He's corrupt, I've already takes backhanders, don't you use him?
00:40:56.559 --> 00:40:56.639
Yeah.
00:40:56.800 --> 00:40:57.360
Yeah, exactly.
00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:01.360
So like if you had a free market of judges, which like the um UK can't.
00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:02.320
Is it a free market?
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:03.840
We're not talking money then now, are we?
00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:06.960
In in your in this, like it's yours, like you own it.
00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:09.280
Uh in in the uh I'd pay a judge.
00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:14.000
Yeah, so it's still uh uh the economy is still based on actual physical money, not on swapping trade, for example.
00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:16.480
Well, money is um money is a medium of exchange.
00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:19.679
It replaces the still money's still got the part the part to play there.
00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:20.079
Yes, yeah.
00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:21.760
This is from um Carl Menger.
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:24.960
Why do I keep going to Antichrist whenever I think of that's a good word?
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:27.360
And I keep I keep it's anarchist.
00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:28.639
My brain goes anti-christ.
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:30.559
No, anarchist, right?
00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:32.079
Okay, um, but yeah, it was Carl.
00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:34.320
God, God, god, go, God, let me get rid of the negativity.
00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:42.880
Carl Menger talked about um the role of money and and managed to again distill it down to its its core facets, but medium exchange is its main thing.
00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:52.559
It's like, you know, if you go back far enough and I've got goats and you've got melons and you're a melon seller and I'm a goat seller, if I don't want melons, but you want goats, what do we do?
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:53.119
Yeah.
00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:54.960
So that that's the role of money.
00:41:55.039 --> 00:41:57.039
Uh is to is to bridge that negotiation.
00:41:57.199 --> 00:41:57.519
Yeah, yeah.
00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:01.920
Um, and there's been all sorts of monies, they've been like shells with money in some societies.
00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:02.960
There's been all sorts of money.
00:42:03.199 --> 00:42:05.760
It doesn't have to be the physical cash that that we have today.
00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:07.119
Yeah.
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:08.639
Gold is the best money, right?
00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:12.000
Like it's historically is there's only a limited amount of gold, though, isn't there?
00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:13.519
They're still finding new gold or is it limited?
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:14.719
They're still finding new gold.
00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:19.519
Isn't there some statistic of all the gold that has ever been mined fills two Olympic-sized swimming pools?
00:42:19.599 --> 00:42:20.159
Yeah, yeah.
00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:21.360
So it's scarce.
00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:36.079
But um but yeah, that that comes to uh actually something called subjective marginal value theory, which is again part of that Austrian school of economics, which is what informs the um it's either called anarcho-capitalism or libertarianism.
00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:45.599
Uh the libertarianism that is because it uh they used to consider themselves liberals, but the word liberal got mutated.
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:51.679
So then they redefined it to libertarian just to to try and keep themselves different.
00:42:52.320 --> 00:43:01.039
Um but yeah, there's something called the subjective marginal value theory, which is like when it comes to trading goods, what you're trading on is uh subjective value.
00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:02.880
There is no such thing as inherent value.
00:43:03.119 --> 00:43:07.679
Talking about gold made me think of this, but um there's no such thing as inherent value.
00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:10.880
Nothing is valuable if you take the human out of the equation.
00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:16.239
That's why I think you'd like uh libertarianism or or Austrian economics, because it's all about humans.
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:19.519
It's called praxeology, it's how humans act.
00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:25.280
But um yeah, if you if you think of an object, some gold, like there's no inherent value in gold.
00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:26.400
It doesn't like it.
00:43:26.719 --> 00:43:28.559
It's just a it's just a it's just a mineral.
00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:29.039
Yeah.
00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:31.360
Uh what gives it value is that you want it.
00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:33.679
It's it's just simply just supply and demand.
00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:36.400
Um in this society, if somewhat so I got near.
00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:44.880
No, it's it but like I I think that's something that uh a lot of people struggle with because they they go down this route of well, water is inherently valuable.
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:47.039
Well, not if I've got a load of it.
00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:47.760
Right?
00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:53.679
If you're in a desert with no water, yeah, and I've got a tap that I can just turn on, who's gonna want the water more?
00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:56.639
And whoever wants it more is gonna give like give more for it.
00:43:57.119 --> 00:44:09.599
Um so yeah, there's there's these sort of very Really logical fundamentals to um anarcho-capitalism that I think and the people that are sorry, I'm really sorry because we're gonna go is that the where does the care come in?
00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:29.199
Because there are, like we spoke about earlier, there are better there are people that are better and worse at different things, and the the level of society that are um intellectually not as aware or intellectual at all for whatever reason, we don't know the answer to this one, like we said before, they're not curious to do their and the DNA, whatever it is.
00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:32.400
So they're gonna suffer in this society more than others, aren't they?
00:44:32.719 --> 00:44:37.519
Do we is does does the community in this in this theory look after and help these people?
00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:40.400
So is that down to the family, or do you know what I mean?
00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:41.360
Yeah, I do.
00:44:41.519 --> 00:44:49.519
I think I think the real mind shift that a lot of people struggle with is that you you've got to flip your mind from being top down to bottom up.
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:51.840
So I mean you say, does the community look after this?
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:53.519
I don't know, it's up to the community.
00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:56.960
Like, and if they're not looked after, maybe they'll go and find a different community.
00:44:57.119 --> 00:44:58.880
Um, it's all game theory.
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:00.639
It's all just game theory.
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:04.719
It's given these rules, you put these players in in into the world.
00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:09.360
Yeah, so my community's flourishing, we all look after each other, more people want to join my community like that.
00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:10.400
Yeah, exactly.
00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:18.239
Um, and you never know what might come out of it is something very similar to what we've got today in terms of a society, but just subtly different enough.
00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:22.880
Like that the a lot of the negative side effects of our current society aren't felt.
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:24.239
Or maybe the opposite.
00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:28.079
Maybe like it's it's similar to our society, but there are still tyrannical rulers.
00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:28.800
Who knows?
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:32.000
Um this is the problem when you're asking, has it ever been thoroughly tested?
00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:33.599
It's like, no, it hasn't.
00:45:33.760 --> 00:45:36.000
A lot of great thinkers have promoted it.
00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:39.840
That's why I got like all these uh Lord of the Rings tattoos on me, because J.R.
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:41.039
Tolkien was an anarchist.
00:45:41.199 --> 00:45:41.519
Oh right.
00:45:41.679 --> 00:46:07.039
Um, like his my interpretation of his uh his writing is that the ring is state power, and uh the Sauron wants to use the one ring, the state power, to control everybody, and the free people of Middle Earth, which is the collection of all of the different societies who don't have anyone controlling them, are fighting to get freedom and destroy the the ability to control civilization.
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:10.960
To come up, you know, to to explain it in that fashion.
00:46:11.119 --> 00:46:13.840
You know, for that the guy you know to write to jail talking to that.
00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:15.760
But then he he suffered through World War I.
00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:17.599
Like he wrote some of it in the Battle of the Somme.
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:26.639
Uh you could, if you're faced with that sort of um like negative consequences of of power, you're gonna start questioning things, aren't you?
00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:27.039
Exactly.
00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:27.519
Yeah, yeah.
00:46:27.679 --> 00:46:27.920
Yeah.
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:35.360
Um but yeah, so I I think it's uh yeah, I think there are a lot of great thinkers who can see what the slippery slope ends up in.
00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:36.880
But you're not allowed to even do that, are you?
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:45.519
So I say not allowed, I hate that being told what to do, but um like you couldn't decide, tell you what, we'll pull our money together now, we'll buy a massive field and we'll just go and start our own computer right now.
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:46.079
Right?
00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:46.559
It's nuts.
00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:47.519
No, you're right, you can't.
00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:48.079
But why not?
00:46:48.239 --> 00:46:50.400
Yeah, I think that's what I mean because of the ring, if you like.
00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:50.960
Exactly.
00:46:51.039 --> 00:46:51.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:56.960
It's like I would like to just remove myself from whatever this is.
00:46:57.280 --> 00:46:57.519
Yeah, yeah.
00:46:57.679 --> 00:46:59.679
Keep your BBC, yeah, keep your thing, we'll sort of.
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:03.360
Even keep your NHS, like I'll look after my own health, I'll look after my family.
00:47:03.519 --> 00:47:05.440
Just let me go off into the woods and just be me.
00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:06.159
And just be me.
00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:06.880
And you can't.
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:07.280
No.
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:12.239
Because then I mean he's not far off like travellers who I'm yeah, that's the closest, isn't it?
00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:16.639
The closest thing at the moment is travellers, they just want to go and be themselves and not be part of the mainstream things.
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:20.239
But yeah, well, that's what But I think they've got one foot in, one foot out, haven't they?
00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:20.800
Really, I suppose.
00:47:20.960 --> 00:47:22.159
Yeah, but they've got to, haven't they?
00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:29.280
But like um Scott Adams, he was the guy who did the Dilbert comics, and I really like him, he's a motivational speaker, or was he passed away a few months ago.
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:32.800
Um, and he had a phrase which was people would trade a lot for freedom.
00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:39.360
He said, if you give someone two options, a great life with no freedom, or a bad life with freedom, they'll pick the bad life with freedom.
00:47:39.519 --> 00:47:44.880
I think inherent in all of us is a desire for more freedom, at least most of us is a desire for more freedom.
00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:49.760
Um and then emotion comes in and we're like, oh yeah, but what if of fear?
00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:50.000
Yeah.
00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:55.119
Because the humours are really only driven by two emotions, really, the it's fear and love, really, isn't it?
00:47:55.199 --> 00:47:55.280
Yeah.
00:47:55.599 --> 00:47:58.159
Everything else is just piled on and messed up in between.
00:47:58.400 --> 00:47:58.719
Yeah.
00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:28.239
Um, okay, I want to go, I want to go now from that um to I'm just gonna before we leave that subject actually, before we go to the other one, just so if you were to give I know you're too humble to feel like you could give advice to anybody, but um if you were to give advice to someone who was in that that when we did that body language like that right now, so missus, kids, work, busyness, stress, living hand to mouth, if you were to look at that person now, and the society is full of those people, I've I've been there myself.
00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:33.519
So what advice would you would you give to that person?
00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:36.880
I I can only frame it from my own personal experience.
00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:38.320
Which have you been there?
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:41.039
Um yeah, definitely.
00:48:41.360 --> 00:48:43.920
Uh the reason I hesitated was I'm like, am I still there?
00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:49.920
Um But uh yeah.
00:48:50.320 --> 00:48:58.960
Well, yeah, I mean I saw a thing once that said, like, you know, millionaires, like a homeless person's here, and a millionaire's like here, yeah, and like a billionaire's here.
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:04.800
And it's like the millionaires, yes, there's a gulf in terms of their choice and options, but really they're not far off from being homeless or whatever.
00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:10.079
Or someone with 500,000, I can't remember what the stat was, but on a graph it didn't look, you know, yeah.
00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:12.239
For true, true feed freedom, if you like.
00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:12.880
Yeah, yeah.
00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:20.800
But it for me it's just you've just got to be curious enough to then pick up that first podcast or that first book and and start.
00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:23.599
The the biggest problem is a lack of open-mindedness.
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:33.760
That uh it's where we started this conversation, really, and it's what I've um drilled down as being the one trait that matters more than anything is open-mindedness.
00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:34.719
It's what I teach my kids.
00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:44.400
I I'm not bothered about anything else as long as they're open-minded enough, because only then when you teach them not to judge as well, then do you teach them or do you not talk about judgment?
00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:45.920
Um comparison.
00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:48.159
Because comparison and comparison is the teeth of joy.
00:49:48.320 --> 00:49:51.440
Comparison and judgment can really stop people's growth as well.
00:49:51.679 --> 00:49:52.800
Yeah, oh absolutely.
00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:53.920
Uh, I I agree with that.
00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:59.440
It's just not I'm not hard on on those threads, they're more soft, you know, when you're out and about and it's like, oh, what about them?
00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:00.880
It's like, oh, you don't know.
00:50:01.119 --> 00:50:06.159
I always I always like to try and bring the uh the opposite side of possibility to them.
00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:14.480
Like as soon as they do judge something, I'll uh I always for my whole family, my wife and my kids, I'll be like, oh yeah, but what if this is their situation?
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:16.639
Would that change how you feel about them?
00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:16.960
Yeah.
00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:25.039
I do it, I I always throw moral dilemmas, especially at my eldest daughter, because she's uh she's eight years old and um she loves it.
00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:26.960
She says, Oh daddy, can you ask me questions?
00:50:27.280 --> 00:50:29.599
And what she means is, can I ask her moral dilemmas?
00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:30.239
I do it all.
00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:36.880
Uh okay, yesterday, last night before bed, I asked her, Is murder ever acceptable?
00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:42.400
Um and I I love I love about how she how she thought about it.
00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:51.119
She was saying, like, oh yeah, but if someone really did wrong or something then, or if you're in a war, that's what she went to, which I thought was interesting for an eight-year-old to go to that point.
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:56.800
But I said, Okay, yeah, but what if daddy was in the war and someone was wanting to kill Daddy?
00:50:57.280 --> 00:50:59.440
And then she's like, Oh yeah, no, that's not right.
00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:05.519
But I I yeah, so I love trying to I love trying to create them new neural pathways, isn't it?
00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:06.880
And and things in the mind, yeah.
00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:13.840
Yeah, and I think that's because there's a science behind open-mindedness, there's a science behind being self-aware because it creates these new pathways in the brain, doesn't it?
00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:22.320
Yeah, which uh actually that to be fair, that that goes into the diet bit a little bit, uh, because your brain's what like almost um 80% collagen.
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:22.960
Is it really?
00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:24.880
No, not collagen, cholesterol, sorry.
00:51:25.039 --> 00:51:25.599
Yes, it is.
00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:30.159
It is and the cholesterol wraps the uh neural pathways and protects them.
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:38.880
Um so uh yeah, if you and you can't your your body can't create cholesterol, the cholesterol that you're born with is what you have and you lose two percent a year.
00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:39.360
No way.
00:51:39.519 --> 00:51:42.400
So the only way to get cholesterol is like through diet.
00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:45.679
Um and uh that's the theory behind Alzheimer's and stuff, isn't it?
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:46.000
Exactly.
00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:58.320
There was um a hypothesis that it's type 3 diabetes, Alzheimer's, because it it you you uh you starve yourself of the thing that protects your neurons, so then the neural pathways start to wear and disconnect.
00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:04.559
Um so then yeah, the more uh the more you can protect the neural pathways when they do form, they they remain.
00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:12.480
Um but yeah, I I I try, like I say, with my kids to to really stress them uh in terms of um Well I'm gonna start doing it.
00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:13.679
Yeah, I'm gonna start doing it.
00:52:13.760 --> 00:52:13.920
Yeah.
00:52:14.079 --> 00:52:15.119
What's your answer to that?
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:17.280
No, it's it's never right to kill somebody.
00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:17.840
Really?
00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:18.559
Yeah.
00:52:18.800 --> 00:52:20.880
But I am like like I said before.
00:52:21.199 --> 00:52:22.880
You've just watched I'm gonna give you one then.
00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:24.239
You've just walked in.
00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:28.320
This is really sorry, it's dark, but so you know I'm gonna go, you know where I'm gonna go.
00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:28.719
Yeah.
00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:32.239
So you just walked in, you've witnessed it happen to your daughter.
00:52:32.480 --> 00:52:32.719
Yes.
00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:35.039
You have the means to end that guy's life.
00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:36.800
You've just seen him end your daughter's life.
00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:37.199
Yeah.
00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:38.719
You've got the means to end his life.
00:52:41.679 --> 00:52:42.639
Yeah, so you would do it.
00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:44.000
I'm not saying it's right though.
00:52:44.159 --> 00:52:44.960
Ah, right, okay.
00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:46.800
So you've seen yeah, you're not saying you wouldn't do it.
00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:47.039
Yeah.
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:48.559
I would definitely do it just so we're clear.
00:52:48.719 --> 00:52:49.039
Yeah, yeah.
00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:52.639
And I think it's okay.
00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:53.840
But I don't think it's okay.
00:52:54.639 --> 00:52:58.639
I would I would accept, I would accept capital punishment for doing it.
00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:00.719
So, okay, then let's go on further then.
00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:08.400
So the person you've just seen, you've you've restrained him, you've managed to restrain yourself, the police have come, he's gone to court, and he's got 25 years.
00:53:08.480 --> 00:53:10.320
So you know he's gonna be out maybe in 20.
00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:10.800
Yeah.
00:53:11.119 --> 00:53:12.000
Are you okay?
00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:19.840
Um I'm okay with No, I I think um of course you're not gonna be okay, you've obviously your daughters not the neighborhood.
00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:30.639
Yeah, yeah, but I I I th I think um I think life in I I think life in prison should mean life in prison, or at least uh a life of banishment should mean a life of banishment.
00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:32.000
From society completely.
00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:32.320
Yeah.
00:53:32.480 --> 00:53:32.639
Yeah.
00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:33.039
Yeah.
00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:38.000
I think you ostracize people from society who don't fit with with your societal rules.
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:44.079
Uh and like they go back to the free market, they can go and find society that matches their ethics and rules or whatever it is.
00:53:44.159 --> 00:53:44.239
Yeah.
00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:44.719
Exactly.
00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:49.039
And I think you I think Because that could loop into an uh an immigration argument there as well, couldn't it, dead easily?
00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:58.400
So you get come to a different country's, but whichever country you're going to, yeah, you need to adhere to that country's values and morals.
00:53:58.559 --> 00:53:58.800
Yeah.
00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:00.800
Yeah, yes, and no.
00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:07.679
Like you do you do yeah, you do need a period of adjustment to to get into that country's morals, like you say, and and and culture.
00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:10.400
Uh, but also what if you're bringing something that's better?
00:54:10.960 --> 00:54:13.760
Or if you're bringing a a set of morals and culture that's better.
00:54:14.239 --> 00:54:20.480
Um so it's also uh like a free market at least would um would self-correct.
00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:27.920
So if if people did come over uh into your society, into your community who had a uh a more efficient way of fishing, for example, then you'd adopt it.
00:54:28.159 --> 00:54:28.719
Of course you would.
00:54:28.880 --> 00:54:29.119
Yeah.
00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:31.599
So um yeah, it's a quid pro quo.
00:54:31.679 --> 00:54:39.280
But yeah, on back on the on the on the morality uh situation, yeah, I think um Why is it not okay?
00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:41.760
Why is murder not okay?
00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:43.840
In that scenario, in that particular scenario.
00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:47.280
Um I know why murder's not okay, obviously, but yeah.
00:54:47.360 --> 00:54:55.679
In that particular scenario Um Okay, so because so there's two reasons that I have for that one.
00:54:55.840 --> 00:55:06.000
Um one is that uh I think I think you have to take the action in isolation and then say, is this action ever okay?
00:55:06.320 --> 00:55:11.039
And if you can conceive of situations where it's not, uh then it isn't okay.
00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:27.039
Um and the other one is that just what we were talking about with the open-mindedness, it would be hypocritical to say uh that in that situation it's okay to kill that person when you don't know the other side of the situation.
00:55:27.199 --> 00:55:29.039
You you only know your perspective and internal.
00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:31.360
Or your daughter might have just killed his daughter.
00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:32.480
You just don't know, yeah, exactly.
00:55:33.199 --> 00:55:34.559
Yeah, there's there's that what you mean?
00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:35.599
Yeah, exactly.
00:55:35.679 --> 00:55:37.519
There's there's a lot of unknowns in that situation.
00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:40.239
You can keep stressing the example and constraining it.
00:55:40.400 --> 00:55:45.599
Um I you'll never get me to say it's it's moral, but that isn't that I wouldn't do it.
00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:46.639
Yeah, no, I like that.
00:55:46.719 --> 00:55:49.199
I like that as an answer I did because you more you you were real with it, yeah.
00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:55.599
Yeah, because I think you don't agree with it, but I can't say if I saw that situation and I've got the means to do it, I probably I might just like you say sort of usefully to do it.
00:55:55.840 --> 00:55:56.079
Yeah, yeah.
00:55:56.320 --> 00:56:06.079
Because um yeah, I think uh I think we're all hypocritical, and I think striving to not be hypocritical, although it's honourable, it's impossible.
00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:07.599
We're always going to be hypocritical.
00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:16.639
I think as long as you acknowledge when you're being hypocritical, that's the biggest step to say, like, yeah, no, I'm I'm people really do like really dig in, don't they?
00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:17.039
Yeah.
00:56:17.199 --> 00:56:19.119
And instead of just going, Yeah, do you know what?
00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:23.280
I did that wrong, or I'm wrong, or I said that wrong, or I'm sorry, I made a mistake.
00:56:23.440 --> 00:56:25.440
It's just why can't people just do that bit?
00:56:25.519 --> 00:56:31.280
It would really because even just saying obviously I've done nothing wrong or anything, but just saying that now, you could feel like an energy release, can't you?
00:56:31.360 --> 00:56:31.599
Yeah, yeah.
00:56:31.760 --> 00:56:32.480
Just saying the words.
00:56:32.719 --> 00:56:39.360
Yeah, well, maybe that's what um like maybe that's the the core that spurs Catholicism, like the confession.
00:56:40.159 --> 00:57:09.440
It's um but yeah, I think uh because I was saying to somebody else, uh a lady that I've interviewed, the interview's not out yet, and um and we discussed that a little bit, we didn't go into it too much depth, but I said, Is religion really to her um Hi Mina, um is religion um really like a form of manifestation and um I say confession and the and um yeah these sort of things basically it's just which one is it?
00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:11.199
Chicken for chicken and the egg sort of thing.
00:57:11.280 --> 00:57:11.840
Do you see what I mean?
00:57:11.920 --> 00:57:17.519
Yeah, and is religion used as a as a lack of responsibility in a human?
00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:18.559
Does that make sense?
00:57:18.800 --> 00:57:30.239
So instead of taking responsibility, yes, you know, I'll put it in God's hands or it's what God wants, or uh you know, or oh I'm trying to solve this in my life, so I'll I'll go to church.
00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:30.960
Do you know what I mean?
00:57:31.039 --> 00:57:33.199
That is that case well it's it's multivariant though, isn't it?
00:57:33.280 --> 00:57:34.320
And it's different for each individual.
00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:35.679
So for some people it's definitely that.
00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:40.079
But if it saves and makes them better people or whatever, makes them better societal members, that's okay, isn't it?
00:57:40.239 --> 00:57:42.719
Yeah, it's a set of rules that can be a cheat code for life.
00:57:43.360 --> 00:57:45.920
Like it's if I just follow these rules, I'll probably be alright.
00:57:46.079 --> 00:57:48.079
I don't have to take, like, say, responsibility to figure it out.
00:57:48.400 --> 00:57:51.199
If there's no risk involved, it might not be any excitement, but you'll get through it, okay?
00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:52.480
Yeah, like that you mean.
00:57:52.719 --> 00:57:53.440
Yes, yeah, yeah.
00:57:53.519 --> 00:57:54.719
And it's and it's okay.
00:57:54.880 --> 00:57:59.199
You give me this set of rules, you give me these, uh, this routine that I go through.
00:57:59.360 --> 00:58:04.719
Um, and like I now know that if I do this, like society will accept me and I'll be alright.
00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:05.920
Like, I'll probably be alright.
00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:08.480
I won't, I won't be ostracized from society.
00:58:08.719 --> 00:58:17.119
Um, it's interesting because uh I think it's it's very similar to how we view like uh the state and government and laws today.
00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:24.400
I think um the difference is that with religion it's personal, like your interpretation of religion is free to be whatever you want it to be.
00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:33.679
Um your interpretation of laws in the UK are not free to not free to your interpretation, they're only free to a single judge's interpretation.
00:58:33.760 --> 00:58:36.320
So I think but there's there's definitely analogies there.
00:58:36.480 --> 00:58:39.840
Um but yeah, I think religions often become just like that, a cheat code.
00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:44.800
My my uh I I often wonder like, is there a game theory to religions?
00:58:44.960 --> 00:58:47.119
And um What do you mean by game theory?
00:58:47.199 --> 00:58:50.480
Just explain that to people, just uh You said that a couple of times, haven't you?
00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:51.119
Game theory.
00:58:51.199 --> 00:59:05.519
So yeah, so game theory is a is a field of study which is um like it it permeates most uh social sciences, and it's uh essentially like given this set of rules permeate, permeate me.
00:59:05.840 --> 00:59:09.119
Uh permeate, so it's it's it's used in most social sciences.
00:59:09.360 --> 00:59:14.239
Um so yeah, most social sciences have uh like a game theory component to them.
00:59:14.400 --> 00:59:25.440
So uh economics would be uh an example which talked about earlier, but um yeah, like any social science, a game theory, which is is something that I think you'd be really interested in.
00:59:25.519 --> 00:59:30.079
It's given this set of rules and given these players, what's the likely outcome?
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:32.719
So it's like an AI thing that simulates it, sort of thing.
00:59:32.960 --> 00:59:39.280
You can simulate it with AI, but it's been around for for sit around and discuss and they can see the the the theory.
00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:40.239
Yeah, exactly.
00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:43.840
And um and the more you understand game theory, the more you understand people.
00:59:44.079 --> 00:59:47.840
Is there an AI thing now that because by the way, he's really he's he's AI is his thing.
00:59:47.920 --> 00:59:48.880
We haven't even gone there.
00:59:49.039 --> 00:59:53.280
Um so is there is there something where you can keep putting it into AI and it comes up with a theory?
00:59:53.440 --> 00:59:56.079
Could you put anything into the into is there a game theory game?
00:59:56.239 --> 00:59:57.519
Uh we created, yeah.
00:59:57.840 --> 00:59:58.719
Yeah, absolutely, yeah.
00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:00.719
But it that's um sorry, but you can go back now.
01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:02.239
I'll just wonder if it exists.
01:00:02.639 --> 01:00:04.400
I'll never play import, so never know.
01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:07.039
Yeah, you'd be out chat to any AI about game theory.
01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:10.320
AI is um like uh heavily game theoretical.
01:00:10.480 --> 01:00:11.360
But yeah, go on, sorry.
01:00:11.519 --> 01:00:19.519
Um so yeah, like a game theory, it's just uh a a process of thinking where you say, given these constraints and given these players, what happens?
01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:21.679
So there's like the So go to religion again then.
01:00:21.760 --> 01:00:23.519
I'll put that into context with religion.
01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:41.280
Okay, so um so the game theory of religion is given the constraints of uh you must follow these steps, like the commandments and uh you you go uh to mass and you know, like you follow this routine, the players would be um the religious leaders and the community around you, and then you as an individual.
01:00:41.440 --> 01:00:50.079
Uh, given those um variables, when you uh when you press play on this system, what's gonna happen?
01:00:50.239 --> 01:00:58.000
Uh do the does the individual player who you really like that that's the result you're interested in, does that player end up successful or not, for example?
01:00:58.159 --> 01:01:00.960
Like maybe that's the maybe that's the test in the game.
01:01:01.199 --> 01:01:15.119
Um so yeah, game theory is just like trying to constrain a set of interactions and uh a set of variables like um into a box and say, well, if if this was a computer game, for example, and I press play, what's gonna happen?
01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:23.760
And that's where it boggles my mind again, because going right back to what we said, we don't really know or understand what makes each individual human so individual.
01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:24.159
Right.
01:01:24.559 --> 01:01:27.119
We're not all individual, but we are, if you know what I mean.
01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:35.920
Like a fingerprint, for example, scientifically we're individual, but a lot of people are in in this sheep bubble thing or whatever it is.
01:01:36.079 --> 01:01:43.519
So that's why a game theory is is difficult to try and do when you've got people popping their heads up that are just hang on, yeah, yeah.
01:01:43.840 --> 01:01:45.119
Hang on a minute, what's going on here?
01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:45.679
Yeah, absolutely.
01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:47.119
Questioning things, yeah.
01:01:47.360 --> 01:01:50.960
So you have to do it when you're doing a game theory, you're doing it based on the people that don't question things, I take it.
01:01:51.119 --> 01:01:51.440
No, no.
01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:53.360
So um absolutely.
01:01:53.440 --> 01:01:55.519
So there's a game called The Prisoner's Dilemma.
01:01:55.760 --> 01:01:59.039
Um, I don't remember the exact rules, but it'll give you a gist of it.
01:01:59.119 --> 01:02:00.960
So, and this was actually studied.
01:02:01.039 --> 01:02:03.599
So, in the prisoner's dilemma, you get two groups of prisoners.
01:02:03.840 --> 01:02:13.199
Um, again, I can't remember the exact uh the exact rule, but it's something along the lines of um those those prisoners are in jail for let's pick an arbitrary number, like 10 years.
01:02:13.440 --> 01:02:27.199
Uh if this set of prisoners elect for this set of prisoners to leave jail, then um or to remain in jail, sorry, then this set get their term commuted, so they leave jail immediately.
01:02:27.440 --> 01:02:29.920
And this set have to stay for 20 years.
01:02:30.719 --> 01:02:35.840
Um if they both elect for each other uh to stay, then they both stay for 20 years.
01:02:36.079 --> 01:02:39.519
They can't talk to each other and there's a wall in between them, what happens?
01:02:39.760 --> 01:02:40.639
Like, do they end up?
01:02:41.039 --> 01:02:42.719
If they both say okay, they can go.
01:02:43.199 --> 01:02:49.840
And if if they if they yeah, if they both say they can go, then they're uh or if neither of them elect, sorry, their term is halved, so five years.
01:02:50.079 --> 01:02:56.400
So it's like uh group A and group B, if group A says group B stays, then group A gets to go free.
01:02:56.639 --> 01:03:02.079
If group A and B both say that they that the other group stays, then they both have to stay for 20 years.
01:03:02.239 --> 01:03:07.119
And if group A and group B refuse to answer, then they both get half.
01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:12.800
So the beauty of that is that it's trying to get into the human psychology of are you willing to sacrifice yourself?
01:03:13.039 --> 01:03:15.280
Like, what do you think the other people are gonna do?
01:03:15.360 --> 01:03:18.079
Do you think they're gonna kick you out if at which point you should kick them out?
01:03:18.159 --> 01:03:20.800
But if you both kick each other out, then you both stay for 20 years.
01:03:20.880 --> 01:03:28.719
Like, so it it's it's uh yeah, it's a really interesting um mental problem that you try and solve, but then they just they can do the experiment, right?
01:03:28.800 --> 01:03:31.360
You can get people, put them in a room, make sure they don't talk to each other.
01:03:31.519 --> 01:03:32.000
Yeah, yeah, sure.
01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:35.119
And what was the I I don't remember the results of the game.
01:03:36.000 --> 01:03:37.119
That was the thing we want to know.
01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:38.719
But which bit which bit would you imagine?
01:03:38.800 --> 01:03:44.559
Like that they would they would likely both elect for the other to uh to stay and then end up both staying for 20 years, probably.
01:03:44.719 --> 01:03:46.880
But the the do they know all their rules?
01:03:47.039 --> 01:03:47.280
Yes.
01:03:47.519 --> 01:03:48.880
I think they'd both abstain.
01:03:49.280 --> 01:03:51.119
You think they'd both abstain answer to do?
01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:53.760
Yeah, but but the problem is you can't talk to the other side.
01:03:54.000 --> 01:03:55.360
So you can't risk it.
01:03:55.760 --> 01:03:56.239
Right?
01:03:56.480 --> 01:03:58.559
So I and this is a tough one, isn't it?
01:03:58.639 --> 01:04:00.320
This is the so this is the beauty of game theory.
01:04:00.719 --> 01:04:01.920
I need to what the answer was, I need to know.
01:04:03.039 --> 01:04:03.360
Jamie?
01:04:03.440 --> 01:04:04.639
Oh no, Ron Falkast does.
01:04:05.119 --> 01:04:22.079
Yeah, but might not be that um But yeah, uh this is the beauty of game theory is that it it teaches your mind to think think about um how uh humans interact with each other, um, but also it it it gives you the ability to perform mental experiments.
01:04:22.239 --> 01:04:27.119
Um so I don't know if you know like the story of how Einstein came up with the theory of general relativity.
01:04:27.280 --> 01:04:31.039
He was he was working in a patent office and he was just looking out the window.
01:04:31.199 --> 01:04:37.039
And in Germany, there's um there's these uh roofers called Zimmermen who just like clean roofs and stuff.
01:04:37.119 --> 01:04:43.199
Anyway, these Zimmermen were on a roof, and he looks over and he's like, What would happen if one of them fell off the roof?
01:04:44.079 --> 01:04:50.880
And then he started to think about gravity and how it would affect the person falling off the roof, and then he's like, but what if we wrapped an elevator around them?
01:04:51.039 --> 01:04:55.280
Then they wouldn't know that they were falling off a roof because the elevator would be falling at the same speed as them.
01:04:56.079 --> 01:05:02.800
And through that, he started to unravel the mysteries of gravity and came up with whatever the next phase of our understanding of gravity was.
01:05:02.880 --> 01:05:09.280
And similarly, thinking about a train going past a platform and someone bouncing a ball on the train.
01:05:09.440 --> 01:05:12.559
So you bounce on the ball and say the ball takes a second to return.
01:05:12.880 --> 01:05:14.559
So the ball travels a meter in a second.
01:05:15.119 --> 01:05:30.639
But as the train goes past you, the ball's actually traveling further than a meter because as you as the train's going past and you let go of the ball, the train is moving with the ball, so the ball's moving diagonally down and then diagonally back up again from the perspective of the person on the platform.
01:05:31.119 --> 01:05:34.320
Therefore, the ball's moved further than a metre, but still in that one second.
01:05:35.039 --> 01:05:38.159
So, how is it moved both a meter and further than a meter in a second?
01:05:38.639 --> 01:05:56.400
He he did that with light, and that's how he came up with the idea that um that light travels or that speed and light uh sorry, speed and space are uh are linked, um, and that uh as you travel faster in space, um time travels slower.
01:05:56.639 --> 01:06:09.920
But anyway, the point is that uh that through Through just introspection and through his own mind, he was able to unravel some of these uh next notch of the mysteries of the universe, and that's kind of what game theory teaches you to do as well.
01:06:10.079 --> 01:06:16.639
It teaches you to flex your own mind around problems to be able to uncover truths that perhaps lie underneath.
01:06:17.360 --> 01:06:18.480
That's so interesting.
01:06:18.639 --> 01:06:18.960
Yeah.
01:06:19.119 --> 01:06:19.440
Right.
01:06:19.519 --> 01:06:20.400
Well, now we're gonna go.
01:06:20.800 --> 01:06:21.360
Now we're gonna go.
01:06:21.440 --> 01:06:22.960
Because I want to do that, thank you for that.
01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:25.920
Is go back to there's two things I want to just discuss.
01:06:26.000 --> 01:06:26.880
I'm alright for time.
01:06:26.960 --> 01:06:28.400
Um I've gone over, but it's fine.
01:06:28.559 --> 01:06:31.599
Um is sorry, Rich, everyone goes over.
01:06:31.760 --> 01:06:34.239
Um there's two things I really want to discuss with you.
01:06:34.400 --> 01:06:36.480
There's so much I want to discuss with you, but there's two.
01:06:36.639 --> 01:06:38.320
Um one is the moon.
01:06:38.400 --> 01:06:39.840
We'll go back to the moon, I haven't forgotten.
01:06:40.320 --> 01:06:42.880
And can we talk about the physics paper?
01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:43.760
Or not?
01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:44.079
Yeah.
01:06:44.239 --> 01:06:44.400
Yeah?
01:06:44.559 --> 01:06:44.800
Yeah, yeah.
01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:45.360
Okay.
01:06:45.760 --> 01:06:46.079
Yeah.
01:06:46.719 --> 01:06:51.119
So this physics paper that you've done and created.
01:06:51.280 --> 01:06:53.360
Um, that was gonna say you about AI.
01:06:53.440 --> 01:06:54.559
What was I gonna say about AI?
01:06:54.800 --> 01:06:56.320
Oh, I had a thought I need to say that.
01:06:57.119 --> 01:07:00.400
Anyway, um you sent it to me.
01:07:00.639 --> 01:07:01.039
Yeah.
01:07:01.360 --> 01:07:04.880
I got let's say five words in.
01:07:05.039 --> 01:07:05.199
Okay.
01:07:05.519 --> 01:07:08.239
I realized that it was above my pay grade.
01:07:08.320 --> 01:07:08.559
Okay.
01:07:08.880 --> 01:07:12.239
So what I was gonna ask you was, is could you explain?
01:07:12.480 --> 01:07:16.400
Because obviously, if any someone knows something properly, they should be able to explain it simply.
01:07:16.480 --> 01:07:16.880
Yeah.
01:07:17.119 --> 01:07:31.199
So you don't need to go into complications because unless there's some top physicists watching this, which I doubt it, we're all gonna need to know it in a so I was gonna the background is Phil has used AI to come up with a theory on uh a particular physics.
01:07:31.519 --> 01:07:31.840
Uh-huh.
01:07:32.079 --> 01:07:32.400
That's right.
01:07:32.480 --> 01:07:34.320
Is that very in a very basic fashion?
01:07:34.480 --> 01:07:35.760
We're gonna keep it like that, okay?
01:07:36.800 --> 01:07:43.679
Um can you explain what your paper explains simply to me as a five-year-old, please?
01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:44.719
Yeah, sure.
01:07:44.800 --> 01:07:46.320
Um how you come about it.
01:07:46.559 --> 01:07:56.000
Yeah, so uh so as as time progresses, let's say, um there are certain decisions that you make and that you don't make.
01:07:56.800 --> 01:08:06.719
Uh what my hypothesis was is that um so as you make decisions, they become, let's say, encoded in the past.
01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:08.400
So you can't change the past.
01:08:08.559 --> 01:08:12.400
The future is nothing but possibility, and the past is nothing but facts.
01:08:12.639 --> 01:08:18.000
So as you're traveling through time, what you're essentially doing is converting the possibility into a fact.
01:08:18.239 --> 01:08:22.239
So slow it down, it's converting the possibility into a fact.
01:08:22.479 --> 01:08:22.720
Yeah.
01:08:22.960 --> 01:08:25.359
Yeah, because there's a possibility that I might touch that leaf.
01:08:25.520 --> 01:08:25.600
Yeah.
01:08:25.840 --> 01:08:26.479
I've touched that leaf.
01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:27.039
Now it's a fact.
01:08:27.600 --> 01:08:29.039
You can't go back in time and untouch the leaf.
01:08:29.279 --> 01:08:29.439
Okay.
01:08:29.520 --> 01:08:29.920
Yeah.
01:08:30.079 --> 01:08:32.800
Um keeping it really simple for myself and you lot.
01:08:33.119 --> 01:08:33.359
Yeah.
01:08:33.439 --> 01:08:42.159
So as as time progresses, um, what's happening in the universe, all over the universe, is that uh those possibilities are turning into facts.
01:08:42.239 --> 01:08:44.479
So every day, every second throughout the whole world.
01:08:44.640 --> 01:08:46.000
Every millisecond throughout the whole universe.
01:08:46.239 --> 01:08:47.680
Oh, universe, we're going that big, okay.
01:08:47.840 --> 01:08:48.239
Yes.
01:08:48.560 --> 01:08:58.319
Um, so uh in order for that to happen, there has to be a possibility associated with every possible next thing.
01:08:58.720 --> 01:09:00.399
I think it has to be achievable, you mean?
01:09:00.640 --> 01:09:03.039
No, but it has to no, it doesn't have to be achievable at all.
01:09:03.199 --> 01:09:11.680
But you touching that plant, the closer your finger gets to the plant, the more likely it is you're gonna touch the plant until you eventually touch it, and then the likelihood goes to 100% because you've touched it.
01:09:11.840 --> 01:09:18.159
Um the likelihood that an asteroid is gonna come and like hit your arm and stop you from touching the plant's pretty low, but it's not nothing.
01:09:18.399 --> 01:09:18.640
No.
01:09:18.960 --> 01:09:23.920
So there's there's like an infinite like mix of possible events that occur.
01:09:24.239 --> 01:09:26.960
If we're going to that level, there is literally an infinite number of things that could happen.
01:09:27.119 --> 01:09:27.439
Yeah.
01:09:27.520 --> 01:09:28.960
Um stop me touching that leaf.
01:09:29.199 --> 01:09:34.560
Yes, but the but the likelihood is overwhelming that that you are going to touch the uh touch the leaf.
01:09:34.800 --> 01:09:48.399
Okay, so um that feels to me like a very intuitive description of the of of the passing of time, as that time is actually the act of converting things that could happen into things that have happened.
01:09:49.199 --> 01:09:49.600
Yep.
01:09:50.159 --> 01:09:50.560
Right.
01:09:51.199 --> 01:09:54.560
Okay, so that's the one strand that you've got to try and hold on to for a minute.
01:09:54.640 --> 01:09:57.279
I'm gonna jump to the It's all about possibility turning into facts.
01:09:57.520 --> 01:09:57.680
Exactly.
01:09:58.000 --> 01:09:58.720
There's a quick one, yeah.
01:09:58.960 --> 01:10:11.520
Okay, so the next the next step on this journey is the idea that um that the only difference between uh possibilities is information.
01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:13.279
Yeah.
01:10:13.600 --> 01:10:19.680
So uh you've got one possibility of something occurring, um like you touching the leaf.
01:10:19.760 --> 01:10:21.119
That's gonna be the perennial example of this.
01:10:21.439 --> 01:10:21.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:10:22.000 --> 01:10:26.399
So you touching the leaf is one possibility, you not touching the leaf is another possibility, just to distill it down to two.
01:10:26.640 --> 01:10:33.359
The difference between them is the difference in percentage, let's say, of 99.99% you're gonna touch it, 0.01% you're not gonna touch it.
01:10:33.520 --> 01:10:36.000
So the difference between those two states is information.
01:10:36.640 --> 01:10:40.800
My hypothesis is that once As an observer or as the person touching.
01:10:42.319 --> 01:10:43.600
Uh as the universe.
01:10:43.760 --> 01:10:44.000
Okay.
01:10:44.159 --> 01:10:46.640
So the universe is holding that information somewhere.
01:10:46.800 --> 01:10:46.960
Yeah.
01:10:47.119 --> 01:10:51.439
That's my so my hypothesis is that those futures, that is held information.
01:10:51.600 --> 01:10:52.640
Which Oh, I like it.
01:10:52.720 --> 01:10:53.199
Yeah, I get it.
01:10:53.279 --> 01:10:53.680
Yeah, right.
01:10:53.760 --> 01:10:58.319
So then when you actually do touch it, there's a collapse of information.
01:10:58.560 --> 01:11:01.119
Like like that, yeah, like um like guess who?
01:11:01.359 --> 01:11:01.840
Like it can't be.
01:11:02.079 --> 01:11:02.319
Yeah, yeah.
01:11:02.399 --> 01:11:03.199
Guess who's a brilliant example?
01:11:03.680 --> 01:11:04.880
He's got a mustache.
01:11:05.039 --> 01:11:05.199
Yes.
01:11:05.439 --> 01:11:06.159
Yeah, he's got a mustache.
01:11:06.239 --> 01:11:07.840
Okay, get rid of everyone that's not got a mustache.
01:11:07.920 --> 01:11:08.079
Exactly.
01:11:08.239 --> 01:11:09.600
So the universe goes, Exactly.
01:11:09.760 --> 01:11:10.960
It's not going to be any of them things now.
01:11:11.119 --> 01:11:11.439
Exactly.
01:11:11.520 --> 01:11:11.920
Yeah, okay.
01:11:12.159 --> 01:11:14.000
Something has to happen to that information.
01:11:14.239 --> 01:11:15.279
It can't disappear.
01:11:15.359 --> 01:11:18.560
You can't, you can't the the information that it's not the guy with a mustache.
01:11:18.640 --> 01:11:18.800
Yes.
01:11:19.039 --> 01:11:20.159
The asteroid wasn't going to hit me.
01:11:20.319 --> 01:11:20.479
Yes.
01:11:20.640 --> 01:11:20.720
Yeah.
01:11:20.880 --> 01:11:22.159
So what something has to happen to me.
01:11:22.880 --> 01:11:30.000
That information exists as a physical matter or as an energetical matter or as as energy that has a physical effect.
01:11:30.479 --> 01:11:32.000
Yeah, so there's the the energy.
01:11:32.239 --> 01:11:37.119
So is that like a um when people talk about different timelines?
01:11:37.359 --> 01:11:42.479
So is there somewhere where an asteroid does hit my arm and does stop me hitting the plant?
01:11:42.720 --> 01:11:43.520
Uh not in my.
01:11:44.640 --> 01:11:45.279
Not in my framework.
01:11:45.520 --> 01:11:46.079
Not in your framework.
01:11:46.239 --> 01:11:46.399
No.
01:11:46.479 --> 01:11:46.560
No.
01:11:46.720 --> 01:11:49.279
Okay, so go backwards then because I can make it more complicated then.
01:11:49.359 --> 01:11:49.439
Yeah.
01:11:49.600 --> 01:11:50.000
So as well.
01:11:50.239 --> 01:12:00.800
The guess the guess who game was brilliant because like something when you folded all of those uh non-mustache wearing cards down, um my hypothesis is that something has to happen to that information.
01:12:00.880 --> 01:12:07.439
And the reason I have that hypothesis is that there was a physicist called Landauer who had the same hypothesis.
01:12:07.520 --> 01:12:10.239
So it's not mine, it's his hypothesis, it's just extended.
01:12:10.479 --> 01:12:16.720
So Landauer hypothesized the same thing that information has some sort of effect on the world.
01:12:16.880 --> 01:12:31.920
And he did, he was uh he worked at IBM and he did various experiments on uh basically deleting information from uh hard drives and then measuring the thermodynamic impact of the basically the physical impact of the information being removed.
01:12:32.239 --> 01:12:46.800
My hypothesis says that if you take that physical impact from a computer and assume that it happens to the universe, that there's then this leaking of information or this leaking of um physical effects from that information disappearing, basically.
01:12:47.199 --> 01:12:49.039
Go back because I just remembered something about that.
01:12:49.359 --> 01:12:50.880
The weight, there's a weight difference, wasn't there?
01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:51.680
He didn't mention it just then.
01:12:51.840 --> 01:12:53.920
Oh, that was a different that was a different experiment, wasn't it?
01:12:54.159 --> 01:12:55.359
But on the on the landauer effect.
01:12:57.199 --> 01:12:57.600
Oh yeah.
01:12:57.680 --> 01:13:08.880
So like if you if you had a they measured an iPad that was it had its storage full, an iPad that had its storage empty, and uh the iPad that had its storage full was microscopically heavier than the iPad that had its storage empty.
01:13:10.479 --> 01:13:14.239
Yes, because the electrons weigh something, so you're storing electrons in the street.
01:13:14.479 --> 01:13:16.560
So there is an energy and a physicality to it somewhere.
01:13:16.960 --> 01:13:17.600
Yeah, exactly.
01:13:17.760 --> 01:13:18.079
Exactly.
01:13:18.399 --> 01:13:20.079
When you can't see it or touch it, but it's there.
01:13:20.319 --> 01:13:20.640
Exactly.
01:13:20.800 --> 01:13:24.640
Yeah, there is a field um that you're that that you're interacting with.
01:13:24.800 --> 01:13:26.560
And yeah, so going back now, sorry.
01:13:26.640 --> 01:13:27.600
Yeah, put it backwards.
01:13:27.760 --> 01:13:32.560
So um so as as decisions are made, so to summarize, as decisions are made.
01:13:32.800 --> 01:13:34.640
So I'm I've got a question, sorry.
01:13:35.520 --> 01:13:35.680
Right.
01:13:35.760 --> 01:13:46.239
So the possibilities, right, are only within are they within so if a scorpion lion hybrid stopped me from touching that leaf, yeah, is that a possibility?
01:13:46.640 --> 01:13:48.640
Uh yeah, infinitesimal, but yeah.
01:13:48.880 --> 01:13:49.760
What does that mean, infinitesimal?
01:13:49.920 --> 01:13:51.199
Like tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny.
01:13:52.079 --> 01:13:54.079
We don't know if that even exists, a lion scorpion hybrid.
01:13:54.319 --> 01:13:54.880
No, we'll get it.
01:13:55.039 --> 01:14:01.199
So what I'm saying is if I just decide something that doesn't even exist yet, that could exist in possibilities.
01:14:01.359 --> 01:14:01.600
Yeah.
01:14:01.840 --> 01:14:07.279
So uh a mummified Egyptian mummy come alive, travel to crew, and stop discussing that leaf.
01:14:07.520 --> 01:14:08.399
Is that a possibility?
01:14:08.640 --> 01:14:12.000
I I would say that although it's counterintuitive, yes.
01:14:12.319 --> 01:14:14.319
It there's a possibility to anything, basically.
01:14:14.479 --> 01:14:16.079
Yes, it's an infinite possibility.
01:14:16.159 --> 01:14:18.159
Yes, my imagination could perceive it.
01:14:18.319 --> 01:14:18.479
Yeah.
01:14:18.560 --> 01:14:23.199
But if my imagination perceives it, has it got weight and energy to it in the future?
01:14:23.680 --> 01:14:27.199
Uh if your imagination perceives it, has it got weight and energy to it in the future?
01:14:27.359 --> 01:14:28.159
Uh no.
01:14:28.560 --> 01:14:29.039
See what I mean?
01:14:29.199 --> 01:14:29.840
Yeah, I know what you say.
01:14:30.000 --> 01:14:31.359
Is it one of the guests to you, people?
01:14:31.680 --> 01:14:34.880
Can you like is it one of the guests because you don't know what you don't know?
01:14:35.039 --> 01:14:42.720
So so the so the possibility that we use an asteroid, but is there something that we don't know that also exists in the future that could stop me touching that tree?
01:14:42.880 --> 01:14:43.600
Does that make sense?
01:14:43.840 --> 01:14:44.319
It does make sense.
01:14:44.640 --> 01:14:45.039
We don't even know.
01:14:45.439 --> 01:14:45.840
Yeah, exactly.
01:14:46.000 --> 01:14:49.439
Yeah, but but it would be that far off your path.
01:14:49.680 --> 01:14:58.880
So as like if you imagine Yeah, but just just because otherwise you're gonna get yeah, but it it could it's just my imagination is limited to what the possibilities of something stopping me touching that tree.
01:14:59.039 --> 01:14:59.359
Yeah, okay.
01:14:59.439 --> 01:14:59.920
Sorry, go back.
01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:00.479
I'm really sorry.
01:15:00.560 --> 01:15:00.800
That's okay.
01:15:01.199 --> 01:15:02.000
You know what you're talking about, isn't it?
01:15:02.239 --> 01:15:03.680
God I lost my thread if I was you.
01:15:05.119 --> 01:15:18.239
Um so I was summarizing that like as as you walk down a uh a path of possibilities, you're converting something from being possible to it having happened.
01:15:18.399 --> 01:15:22.560
But by doing that, there has to be a release of energy the same way that inside not has to be.
01:15:22.720 --> 01:15:29.039
My hypothesis is that there is a release of energy the same way that inside of a computer, when a computer makes decisions, there's a release of energy.
01:15:29.199 --> 01:15:32.720
So I'm taking the model of that's factual and that's factual, that's measurable.
01:15:32.800 --> 01:15:40.560
Landauer equations are all well, it's I don't think anything is actually factual because I think it's all just uh a veneer on top of reality.
01:15:40.800 --> 01:15:50.880
But um but yeah, but the but the Landauer equations currently show that there is that there is a physical effect of um of making uh computation.
01:15:51.119 --> 01:15:57.359
Uh so my hypothesis says, okay, if you take that same physical effect, scale it to this decision tree of the universe, what happens?
01:15:57.760 --> 01:15:59.520
So I was chatting with AI about this.
01:15:59.680 --> 01:16:04.239
The idea actually came to me when I was thinking about entropy and machines aside of computers, which probably a different conversation.
01:16:04.399 --> 01:16:11.600
But um but anyway, so I was chatting to AI about this and uh and yeah, um about this hypothesis, yeah.
01:16:11.760 --> 01:16:20.479
And uh and I started to develop it um uh from the mathematical side with the AI, because when you get into that sort of deep physics maths, it's beyond me.
01:16:20.560 --> 01:16:24.479
Like I I it would take me a long time to to study and understand it.
01:16:24.720 --> 01:16:35.039
Um and the AI wanted to run uh the hypothesis against a couple of tests, and uh one of the tests is where they take um uh a universe of a known mass.
01:16:35.119 --> 01:16:36.720
So this is a dark matter test.
01:16:37.359 --> 01:16:48.159
So the AI was saying if that's true, because energy has mass due to E equals Mc squared, so energy is equal to mass times the universal constant squared.
01:16:48.399 --> 01:17:02.000
So if you can tell what the energy effect is of uh of releasing this information, you should be able to tell what the mass of the information releases because all energy has mass and mass has gravity.
01:17:02.159 --> 01:17:06.239
So you're able to then calculate a lot with that very fundamental equation.
01:17:06.880 --> 01:17:24.880
He ran a test against um a makeshift galaxy of a known quantity, and it came out um predicting the mass of the galaxy to 99.3% accuracy, which means it accounted for all of the dark matter, and the dark matter was something that Einstein didn't account for.
01:17:25.119 --> 01:17:38.479
Um so that was like a a real goosebump moment for me when uh when I was when I was chatting to the AI about about this and I was running these uh these simulations and tests because uh my hypothesis has what's called just one free variable.
01:17:38.640 --> 01:17:45.039
So one free variable means when you when you come up with a hypothesis like that and you do the maths, sometimes the math doesn't work out, like at different scales.
01:17:45.119 --> 01:17:50.000
It's like the mass the the maths might work out for a planet, you scale it up to a solar system and sudden suddenly the maths doesn't work.
01:17:50.079 --> 01:17:50.800
That's what happened to Newton.
01:17:50.960 --> 01:17:53.279
Yeah, similar we were going saying about the slight degree and things, yeah.
01:17:53.600 --> 01:17:53.920
Exactly.
01:17:54.079 --> 01:17:55.279
The exact same thing happened to Newton.
01:17:55.520 --> 01:18:01.279
Newton got gravity nailed for Earth, then looks up at the planets and goes, they aren't doing what they're supposed to.
01:18:01.359 --> 01:18:02.800
Uh they should all just be falling out.
01:18:03.439 --> 01:18:05.439
No, but they were he thought they were looping back on themselves.
01:18:05.920 --> 01:18:10.640
Anyway, uh so yeah, so you you get the math right for one domain, but then you apply it to another and it doesn't work.
01:18:10.720 --> 01:18:16.319
So then you introduce what's called free variables, which are like little bits of equations to try and bridge the gap.
01:18:16.800 --> 01:18:18.399
Well, just make a number up.
01:18:18.640 --> 01:18:28.079
Um so uh so yeah, having like two or three made-up numbers, for example, is seemed deemed okay, but could be better.
01:18:28.239 --> 01:18:33.840
I had one made-up number, let's say, in this equation for calculating the mass of this uh this galaxy.
01:18:34.000 --> 01:18:41.439
So then I ran the same numbers against um hundreds of galaxies to try and see whether it was able to accurately predict the mass of those galaxies.
01:18:42.159 --> 01:18:44.720
So the different galaxies, these don't exist or do exist.
01:18:45.039 --> 01:18:45.359
They do exist.
01:18:45.680 --> 01:18:50.720
These are observation uh observational um data uh that is just free and open source that you can grab.
01:18:50.880 --> 01:18:54.800
You get the observational data, you can run your hypothesis against it and see what the numbers come out.
01:18:55.119 --> 01:19:06.319
And it came out uh five times more accurate than what is currently considered um like the the status quo, the conventional thinking around uh how the mass is accounted for.
01:19:06.479 --> 01:19:17.439
Um and all of that is the dark matter, and dark matter is this like 85% of the universe the universe weighs a lot more than what you can see.
01:19:17.680 --> 01:19:21.359
85% of it we just don't know what it is, which is nuts.
01:19:21.760 --> 01:19:25.039
Like all the spacing is going to blow your mind, yeah.
01:19:25.439 --> 01:19:30.239
Um and this this hypothesis at least accounted for that, uh, and that's why it was very exciting to me.
01:19:30.319 --> 01:19:35.439
So I emailed it over to um the uh Information Physics Institute.
01:19:35.600 --> 01:19:43.920
Um, and then yeah, I I joined the Information Physics Institute off the back of that and have had various conversations with various physicists in there about it.
01:19:44.000 --> 01:19:50.079
And yeah, it's uh the thing what I tell you what I've uh noticed from that, it's very interesting, had some really engaging conversations.
01:19:50.399 --> 01:19:51.840
It's not like he wasn't part of it first, indeed.
01:19:52.079 --> 01:20:03.359
No, no, that's the great thing about the not in the Information Physics Institute because they talk a lot about things like simulation theory, DMT, like they are they are like they're they're serious physicists who are open-minded.
01:20:03.600 --> 01:20:04.239
Oh, that's fantastic.
01:20:04.560 --> 01:20:04.720
Brilliant.
01:20:04.800 --> 01:20:08.239
Yeah, and that's how you've got to move that's how society moves forward and uh humans move forward.
01:20:08.479 --> 01:20:08.800
Exactly.
01:20:08.880 --> 01:20:09.760
It's the only way.
01:20:09.920 --> 01:20:10.560
Um yeah.
01:20:10.720 --> 01:20:15.199
What was funny though is that AI didn't want me to get in touch with the or didn't want me to do that.
01:20:15.359 --> 01:20:15.840
AI didn't.
01:20:16.079 --> 01:20:19.600
Yeah, it didn't want me to post too much about this to the Information Physics Institute.
01:20:19.680 --> 01:20:20.000
I don't know.
01:20:20.079 --> 01:20:20.399
It's nuts.
01:20:20.720 --> 01:20:21.680
Did you ask it?
01:20:22.000 --> 01:20:27.279
Oh so it it's first its first reasoning was that it'd be an echo chamber.
01:20:27.359 --> 01:20:28.319
Um what does that mean?
01:20:28.720 --> 01:20:31.760
So like I wouldn't get anything valuable out of it because everyone would just agree.
01:20:32.079 --> 01:20:55.920
Uh as it happens, like there's been some really fruitful conversations with other members of the uh have they said anything that's made you wobble on your theory or maybe uh What have they said to contribute or Well, so I I've I've been asked I've been asked by one to collaborate, um saying that their hypothesis, although similar, uh bridges dark energy where mine bridges dark matter, and they think that the two together could work quite well.
01:20:56.079 --> 01:20:58.159
Um so there's been some like call out for collaboration.
01:20:58.239 --> 01:21:03.840
Then there's just been a lot of I tell you what, they laze it in on the weak points instantly, which was great.
01:21:03.920 --> 01:21:05.279
Um that's exactly what you want.
01:21:05.600 --> 01:21:06.880
Because I'm happy to throw the whole thing around.
01:21:07.119 --> 01:21:11.199
So the intent behind it is to cre not not to not to pull it down, but elegance.
01:21:11.439 --> 01:21:12.399
Yeah, to yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:21:12.720 --> 01:21:14.560
His intention there is important then, isn't it?
01:21:14.800 --> 01:21:15.359
Exactly, yeah.
01:21:16.560 --> 01:21:16.960
Not like that.
01:21:17.039 --> 01:21:18.800
It's like oh blah blah blah, you know, yeah.
01:21:19.039 --> 01:21:19.439
Exactly.
01:21:19.600 --> 01:21:20.159
Like, yeah.
01:21:20.239 --> 01:21:22.159
Um but yeah it's what what what was it?
01:21:22.239 --> 01:21:23.840
That one, the one variable you mean?
01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:24.960
Is that what they've picked on?
01:21:25.199 --> 01:21:39.520
Uh no, so um it it's a bit complicated around uh von Neumann energies uh and there is a there's a lot of say there's more the I they're basically saying there's more to it than just dark at dark matter, yeah.
01:21:39.680 --> 01:21:41.279
You're not taking into account this, this, this, and this.
01:21:41.520 --> 01:21:55.199
There's a small, there's a there's a small questionable leap that I make around uh fields um that I know is weak and I call out in the paper that it's weak, but that's what they zeroed in on to be like, well, how do we flesh this out more then?
01:21:55.359 --> 01:21:56.239
Um but yeah.
01:21:56.479 --> 01:21:57.359
So it's ongoing.
01:21:57.520 --> 01:21:57.920
Yeah, yeah.
01:21:58.640 --> 01:22:03.279
It's still being discussed and looked at and have you fed that back to the AI, what they're saying.
01:22:03.439 --> 01:22:03.760
Oh, yeah.
01:22:04.079 --> 01:22:05.039
What's the AI saying?
01:22:05.680 --> 01:22:11.199
Um it's now saying that it's brilliant that I engaged with them and this is the exact.
01:22:11.600 --> 01:22:12.239
Great idea, Phil.
01:22:12.399 --> 01:22:15.359
Yeah, so like this is the exact exactly the kind of feedback you need.
01:22:17.840 --> 01:22:23.279
What's amazing is that's your it's like me writing this this book.
01:22:23.439 --> 01:22:26.399
I can put a starter journey to self-awareness, for example.
01:22:26.720 --> 01:22:35.359
And it's to help people question themselves more, but really it becomes like a it's it's for me and for them.
01:22:35.439 --> 01:22:41.119
And it's like a you kind of like outwardly having your thoughts outward, aren't you?
01:22:41.279 --> 01:22:42.800
Yes, almost do you know what I mean?
01:22:42.960 --> 01:22:57.680
Your interior thoughts and what's what is of of manifesting outwards, and this because it's a similar thing to like if I close my eyes and observe myself thinking and and all those sort of those side of things, who is it that's doing the observation?
01:22:57.840 --> 01:22:58.880
Where's the energy?
01:22:59.119 --> 01:23:02.560
What mass or energy is the thing that's watching me?
01:23:02.720 --> 01:23:03.600
Yeah, isn't it?
01:23:03.680 --> 01:23:04.880
Like, what's that then?
01:23:04.960 --> 01:23:07.279
Is that the similar thing to what you're seeing in a way?
01:23:09.520 --> 01:23:15.279
Not not I mean sorry, not the not what you would, I mean like the weight and the the physicality of it, sorry, not that side of it.
01:23:16.159 --> 01:23:16.640
Yeah, probably.
01:23:16.720 --> 01:23:19.279
Yeah, the problem is I very quickly went down the simulation theory.
01:23:19.520 --> 01:23:20.479
And you believe that, don't you?
01:23:20.880 --> 01:23:27.199
Yeah, so um expla uh explain then quickly to people what a simulation theory is, what is that?
01:23:27.760 --> 01:23:51.760
Yeah, so just to quickly uh finish off on the paper, is that um sort of snuck within it is a is a a brief section on simulation theory because um the problem is that if Landauer's equations are correct and and do uh do uncover a physical truth that like computation creates a physical uh effect, then the universe is computational.
01:23:51.920 --> 01:23:56.960
Um and that then means that the likelihood of us being a simulation is probably quite high.
01:23:57.039 --> 01:23:59.680
But because everything's already mapped out and the possibilities are there.
01:23:59.920 --> 01:24:02.560
Uh because it's no because it's working through a computational process.
01:24:02.720 --> 01:24:07.199
Because it's like taking some input, doing some work, and giving some output, and that's what time is.
01:24:07.279 --> 01:24:10.800
And that maps very cleanly onto a computational process.
01:24:11.119 --> 01:24:18.159
But so simulation theory So that means we haven't got the free choice, we think we've got them in the I I believe in uh soft determinism.
01:24:18.319 --> 01:24:24.079
So I believe that um what's going to happen like in the next few seconds is is highly determined.
01:24:24.239 --> 01:24:26.960
What's gonna happen in the next million years isn't.
01:24:27.199 --> 01:24:30.880
So um I think that depends on the level of time of decisions being made by everybody.
01:24:31.199 --> 01:24:31.439
Exactly.
01:24:31.600 --> 01:24:40.880
Yeah, there's like a gradient of determinism that uh the closer to now you are, the more determined something's going to happen, and the further away from now you are, the less determined it is to happen.
01:24:41.119 --> 01:24:45.840
Um but I think that's coherent with uh with a simulation theory view of the the universe anyway.
01:24:46.000 --> 01:24:53.520
Uh but simulation theory, yes, uh for me to explain it, but it's basically the idea that we're all inside of like a computer game, essentially.
01:24:53.680 --> 01:24:56.079
Um For whose benefit and for why?
01:24:56.399 --> 01:24:58.000
The simulation runners are doing experiments.
01:24:58.079 --> 01:24:58.479
I don't know.
01:24:58.560 --> 01:24:59.760
We play computer games all the time.
01:24:59.840 --> 01:25:06.640
How many millions of hours a day are wasted on uh RPG computer games and like could be the same thing, could just be a game.
01:25:06.800 --> 01:25:08.399
There could be experiments that they're running.
01:25:08.479 --> 01:25:09.920
You don't know how long it's been running for.
01:25:10.079 --> 01:25:15.680
Right now, it could be the first millisecond that the game started, and you've had all of your memories backfilled into you.
01:25:15.760 --> 01:25:18.720
So it's um it is it is m mind-bending.
01:25:18.800 --> 01:25:24.000
But the idea is that we're inside of a game, and it's it seems really that's some people if people really started to believe that.
01:25:24.079 --> 01:25:34.560
Couldn't they start to prove that theory by doing crazy things, walk down the streets naked today and violence and and then but then is that yeah, then you're gonna say it's that's part of it, aren't you?
01:25:35.279 --> 01:25:38.800
Yeah, and there are efforts to try and prove that we're in a version.
01:25:38.880 --> 01:25:40.239
What we mean you spoke about briefly, didn't we?
01:25:40.479 --> 01:25:42.159
Yes, the laser on the wall thing, yeah.
01:25:42.880 --> 01:25:45.439
So taking DMT and then staring at the laser on the wall.
01:25:45.600 --> 01:25:45.760
Yes.
01:25:45.920 --> 01:25:48.960
But then people can disprove that by saying, Well, yeah, but you you're drug-induced.
01:25:49.199 --> 01:25:49.680
Yeah, sure.
01:25:49.840 --> 01:25:51.119
So they're not gonna say it's a thing, are they?
01:25:51.199 --> 01:25:51.359
Exactly.
01:25:51.680 --> 01:25:53.199
Doesn't everybody see the same thing?
01:25:53.439 --> 01:25:54.479
Is it a shared delusion?
01:25:54.800 --> 01:25:55.359
I believe so, yeah.
01:25:55.600 --> 01:25:57.039
Which is what makes it rare, isn't it?
01:25:57.119 --> 01:26:00.000
Yes, because I don't mean like just they actually see the same thing.
01:26:01.119 --> 01:26:05.439
Yeah, the same code, not just we see code in the red, it's yeah, we see the same code.
01:26:05.680 --> 01:26:09.439
So I'm like it's a shared delusion, a shared not delusion, shared illusion.
01:26:09.760 --> 01:26:12.720
It's great, it's more common than you think, isn't it, with mushrooms and things like that.
01:26:13.520 --> 01:26:13.840
Absolutely.
01:26:13.920 --> 01:26:20.159
That's that's the that's the crazy thing about it, is are we actually seeing reality when we when we are in those uh valid states?
01:26:20.399 --> 01:26:21.359
Yeah, dream state.
01:26:21.600 --> 01:26:21.840
Yeah.
01:26:22.000 --> 01:26:43.920
So um so yeah, this this ties quite a few different threads together because if you take the game theory stuff that we were talking about, um and you look at like the the physics stuff that we briefly briefly touched on, um, and then you think about AI and you start tying all those things together, simulation theory becomes a lot less like kooky and and actually seems quite sensible or or logical.
01:26:44.079 --> 01:26:50.800
Because if you take the game theory of where we're at with AI and look at things like VR headsets, I I don't know if you ever played with VR headsets.
01:26:50.880 --> 01:26:51.760
Oh, yeah, it's crazy.
01:26:51.920 --> 01:26:54.000
I did one where I was in Pompeii and it was unreal.
01:26:54.159 --> 01:26:54.560
Yeah, right.
01:26:54.880 --> 01:26:55.439
Absolutely fantastic.
01:26:55.600 --> 01:26:57.039
And that's the infancy of this technology.
01:26:57.199 --> 01:26:59.760
So when that was years ago, like 10 years ago, I did that.
01:27:00.079 --> 01:27:00.960
Yeah, yeah, right.
01:27:01.199 --> 01:27:12.800
Like so, if you look at how technology evolves, you look at where AI is at today, and that it's it's um it's not at AGI levels, but it can it can sound and feel very human.
01:27:13.119 --> 01:27:21.600
Uh you you take things like VR headsets uh and other um digital experiences, and then you just roll that clock forward a thousand years.
01:27:22.159 --> 01:27:22.960
Yeah, God.
01:27:23.199 --> 01:27:24.079
Like, where are we?
01:27:24.239 --> 01:27:24.800
Where are we?
01:27:24.960 --> 01:27:30.560
Are we inside of oh are we banging on headsets, ready player one, going inside of simulations?
01:27:30.800 --> 01:27:31.680
Probably, right?
01:27:31.760 --> 01:27:34.000
Like the matrix is documentary.
01:27:36.319 --> 01:27:39.119
God, might have just lifted up your headset and then that wow, yeah.
01:27:39.279 --> 01:27:46.319
I was this guy called Alex, this happened to him, I did this, I did that, did it, and then he became a podcast host and did it, and then just coming out of it, where?
01:27:46.720 --> 01:27:47.600
So who are you?
01:27:47.760 --> 01:27:56.640
Yeah, so like if I I think if you just take the game theory of the variables we've got today, dial the clock forward a thousand years, we're in simulations anyway.
01:27:56.800 --> 01:27:58.319
So, what's to say we aren't in one now?
01:27:58.479 --> 01:27:59.840
And that's looped into time travel a little bit.
01:28:00.000 --> 01:28:00.640
Little bit, doesn't it?
01:28:00.960 --> 01:28:01.439
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:28:01.520 --> 01:28:01.840
As well.
01:28:01.920 --> 01:28:02.000
Yeah.
01:28:02.239 --> 01:28:03.039
Yeah, exactly.
01:28:03.119 --> 01:28:10.399
But it would it would also like it would explain why we can't pin down the fundamentals of our universe no matter how hard we try.
01:28:10.560 --> 01:28:12.720
And actually, the more we try, the weaker it gets.
01:28:13.039 --> 01:28:16.800
You're saying in the future almost like society just stops dead there because now we're just in a simulation.
01:28:16.960 --> 01:28:17.359
Yeah.
01:28:17.600 --> 01:28:19.039
So that's that's why.
01:28:19.600 --> 01:28:19.920
Yeah.
01:28:20.159 --> 01:28:20.800
It's so cool.
01:28:21.439 --> 01:28:22.399
So cool to think about that.
01:28:22.560 --> 01:28:32.560
But like I said, I think if you start tying those threads together, it it becomes less of a like a wild sort of thought and more very logical and probable.
01:28:32.720 --> 01:28:34.880
Um so that means like anything.
01:28:35.039 --> 01:28:41.439
So when we talk about ghosts and energies and things like that, if that chair moved in front of us, that's all just all part of the simulation.
01:28:41.600 --> 01:28:42.640
Just all part of the simulation.
01:28:42.720 --> 01:28:42.880
Yeah.
01:28:43.039 --> 01:28:43.920
It's crazy, isn't it?
01:28:44.000 --> 01:28:47.520
Yeah, it is, but it's going back to that's like a matrix the Matrix film then, we're just in pods.
01:28:47.680 --> 01:28:49.920
Yeah, the Matrix is basically a documentary in that world.
01:28:50.000 --> 01:28:50.399
Yeah, yeah.
01:28:50.560 --> 01:28:51.039
It is, isn't it?
01:28:51.119 --> 01:28:51.920
Yeah, I've seen that.
01:28:52.000 --> 01:28:53.279
Yeah, it's basically a documentary, yeah.
01:28:53.359 --> 01:28:53.520
Yeah.
01:28:53.760 --> 01:28:54.479
Go back to the moon.
01:28:54.720 --> 01:28:55.600
I'm running out of time.
01:28:55.760 --> 01:28:57.840
Go back to go to the moon.
01:28:58.000 --> 01:28:58.640
Go back to the moon.
01:28:58.720 --> 01:28:59.600
I'm not forgotten.
01:28:59.760 --> 01:29:00.399
Yeah.
01:29:00.720 --> 01:29:05.279
So I said, we've briefly said, because I don't believe the moon landings are possible.
01:29:05.359 --> 01:29:11.600
I don't believe he's picked up that phone and spoke to them, and and then we haven't managed to go back when the thing looks like a racketedy old car.
01:29:11.760 --> 01:29:12.319
How's it got?
01:29:12.479 --> 01:29:13.279
How's it got there?
01:29:13.439 --> 01:29:13.600
Yeah.
01:29:13.840 --> 01:29:17.359
And then you said I don't even believe the the moon is necessarily real.
01:29:17.439 --> 01:29:24.079
So like yeah, because because the problem is when you're open-minded enough, then you're you're willing to accept some very unorthodox views.
01:29:24.319 --> 01:29:34.800
Uh and you know, as soon as you say, I don't think the moon's necessarily like a a real satellite, um, then people start looking at you funny and wanting to get you sectioned and stuff.
01:29:34.880 --> 01:29:38.960
But so um I've never been, so I don't know.
01:29:39.279 --> 01:29:40.000
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
01:29:40.079 --> 01:29:40.479
Yeah, yeah.
01:29:40.720 --> 01:29:42.000
Like uh I I don't know.
01:29:42.079 --> 01:29:43.439
I've never kicked the dust.
01:29:43.600 --> 01:29:46.239
Uh but the there's some weird stuff about the moon, isn't there?
01:29:46.319 --> 01:29:49.600
Like um, I can't remember whether it was Apollo 15 or something.
01:29:49.840 --> 01:29:59.119
It fired uh part of its lander back into the moon and it it left seismographs on the surface of the moon, supposedly, if we ever went, and that's the other problem, isn't it?
01:29:59.199 --> 01:30:00.000
You don't know any of this.
01:30:00.159 --> 01:30:04.800
What I'm saying right now could all be fabrications as well, but supposedly it rang like a bell.
01:30:04.960 --> 01:30:07.840
So the moon is less dense inside, outside.
01:30:08.159 --> 01:30:08.880
I did hear that one.
01:30:08.960 --> 01:30:09.199
I did.
01:30:09.359 --> 01:30:09.600
Right.
01:30:10.319 --> 01:30:12.640
That's just not how planets should evolve.
01:30:12.720 --> 01:30:16.880
That's not how that's not how mass works, like the heavier stuff goes to the middle.
01:30:17.119 --> 01:30:19.199
Um, so that to start off with is weird.
01:30:19.359 --> 01:30:22.000
Uh also for the why would they release that information?
01:30:22.239 --> 01:30:23.840
Well, this is the the other thing as well, isn't it?
01:30:23.920 --> 01:30:26.159
Like you just like I said, I've never been.
01:30:26.319 --> 01:30:35.520
So uh but when you I suppose my point is that when you look at all of the information that is available, you're just like something weird is going on with the moon.
01:30:36.079 --> 01:30:37.680
Give me some more, give me some other bits.
01:30:37.920 --> 01:30:49.119
Well, outside of just like the the moon landings, so um like you say, the the video evidence that they released of the moon landings, some of it was fabricated, admittedly, and then some of it was real.
01:30:49.279 --> 01:30:50.720
It's like, why would you mix it?
01:30:50.960 --> 01:30:58.720
Um but but also uh yeah, so then so the moon rang like a bell, uh, but also for the size of our planet, the moon is massive.
01:30:58.880 --> 01:31:03.439
Like there is no other moon planet scaled to that size in the solar system.
01:31:03.680 --> 01:31:05.039
She's like, Well, why not?
01:31:05.439 --> 01:31:06.880
Why are we the only ones who have it?
01:31:07.039 --> 01:31:14.000
And also, isn't it just like too much of a coincidence that the moon is exactly from the perspective of the earth the same size as the sun?
01:31:15.039 --> 01:31:16.560
That doesn't happen anywhere else either.
01:31:16.880 --> 01:31:27.520
Yeah, if they're the moon eclipses, you mean yeah, it's 400 times smaller than the sun, and it's exactly 400 times closer than the sun, which means that from the perspective of the earth, the moon and sun are exactly the same size.
01:31:27.840 --> 01:31:35.119
There's all this weird stuff where you're like, shit, I think the moon might not be a lump of rock, or at least I'm open to the idea that the moon's not a lump of rock.
01:31:35.680 --> 01:31:40.000
It could be something else, or maybe it is a lump of rock that's been put there, but you just don't know.
01:31:40.159 --> 01:31:46.800
Like the universe, I think once you start to What's about what how'd you say about the I'm gonna just touch on one more thing now.
01:31:46.880 --> 01:31:48.399
You're gonna be flat Earth, are you?
01:31:48.640 --> 01:31:51.039
Oh no, like I have seen the curvature of the Earth.
01:31:51.520 --> 01:31:54.560
Yeah, so what's gonna say was then how do you explain the the the wave?
01:31:54.720 --> 01:31:56.720
Because they say it's the gravitational pull of the moon, don't they?
01:31:56.880 --> 01:31:57.119
Yeah.
01:31:57.199 --> 01:31:57.520
Oh yeah.
01:31:57.600 --> 01:32:00.000
I mean, the moon's there and has mass.
01:32:00.319 --> 01:32:05.439
Yeah, so that and that is you think that is still a grav causing the the tides.
01:32:05.680 --> 01:32:24.159
Yes, I think the I think the physics plays out beautifully with that because the um so the the moon is pulling the oceans away from the earth, and the earth is is revolving underneath the ocean, uh, which causes the tides, because the ocean's being lifted where the moon is, and then the earth, but it's also causing friction on the earth.
01:32:24.319 --> 01:32:28.239
So as as the earth is revolving underneath the ocean, it's slowing down.
01:32:28.880 --> 01:32:36.079
And because the earth is so there's um you know the conservation of of energy, so you can't destroy energy, energy always has to be conserved in a system.
01:32:36.560 --> 01:32:41.520
Okay, so the earth's slowing down, um but the earth and the moon are in a system.
01:32:42.079 --> 01:32:45.439
Uh so if the earth slows down, there's some energy that the earth is losing.
01:32:46.159 --> 01:32:52.159
So that energy has to go somewhere, and where it goes is in speeding up at the moon.
01:32:52.800 --> 01:33:00.159
But the moon when as it speeds up, it uh when I say speeding up, speeding up its low orbit, as its orbit speeds up, it moves further away from the earth.
01:33:00.479 --> 01:33:04.159
So the moon is moving four centimetres a year further away from the earth.
01:33:04.399 --> 01:33:04.960
Isn't that true?
01:33:05.119 --> 01:33:12.079
Yeah, and that's because of the gravitational effect that the the moon has on the ocean, slows the earth down, which makes the moon move further away.
01:33:12.319 --> 01:33:20.079
It's there's like this beautiful example of conservation of uh of of energy, but um but yeah, so I do believe that the the moon is causing tides.
01:33:20.239 --> 01:33:31.840
I think the And we're made up of water because I mean the amount of policemen I've spoken to that said on full moons or whatever, there seems to be more trouble and more things happening in the I I heard that a lot.
01:33:31.920 --> 01:33:35.199
I find that really difficult though, because the moon's still there.
01:33:35.680 --> 01:33:41.279
Yeah, and that well that that's ties in with back with the astrology side of things, though, full moons and and the energies behind full moons.
01:33:41.359 --> 01:33:49.439
Yeah, but we are made of water, and but you you ask you ask the emergency services people, they say it seems to be busier on you know something not right on a full moon.
01:33:49.520 --> 01:33:50.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:33:50.239 --> 01:33:51.920
I I have heard that anecdote a lot.
01:33:52.000 --> 01:33:56.159
Yeah, I just haven't been able to reason about it because even on new moons, the moon's still there.
01:33:56.720 --> 01:33:59.199
It's just it's under the shadow of the earth, so you can't see it.
01:33:59.279 --> 01:33:59.520
Yeah.
01:33:59.680 --> 01:34:07.600
Um, so whether it's related to light as opposed to to gravity, but I went gravity because that in my head it's affecting water where water I went like that.
01:34:08.079 --> 01:34:10.399
But you still have tides on a on a new moon.
01:34:10.720 --> 01:34:11.520
Yes, yeah, yeah.
01:34:11.600 --> 01:34:13.279
But a stronger pull.
01:34:13.920 --> 01:34:14.319
I don't know.
01:34:14.560 --> 01:34:14.880
I don't know.
01:34:14.960 --> 01:34:15.920
I don't know.
01:34:16.960 --> 01:34:19.039
I was just trying to think I've heard it so many times.
01:34:19.279 --> 01:34:19.760
I have as well.
01:34:20.000 --> 01:34:20.479
From yeah, yeah.
01:34:20.720 --> 01:34:24.880
Basically from policemen, from emergency services people that tell me full moons.
01:34:25.199 --> 01:34:26.239
Yeah, I I've heard the same thing.
01:34:26.479 --> 01:34:31.279
And then I just I I haven't looked into anything I've not researched, and my adjustment water, water, water like that.
01:34:32.159 --> 01:34:34.399
And that's what I love because that's how I think you get to the truth anyway.
01:34:34.479 --> 01:34:36.399
You don't necessarily look outward, you look inward.
01:34:36.800 --> 01:34:42.000
You try and like deduce the truth inside of your own mind instead of trying to find it in the outside world.
01:34:42.159 --> 01:34:43.760
Yeah, but like I say, like you, I'm open.
01:34:43.840 --> 01:34:45.279
So if you went, Oh, actually, I like da da da da.
01:34:45.600 --> 01:34:46.479
Oh brilliant, that's good.
01:34:46.640 --> 01:34:47.199
Yeah, like that.
01:34:47.279 --> 01:34:51.119
And that's where Yes, but that's in your mind that you're doing that are brilliant, that's that's good.
01:34:51.199 --> 01:34:51.680
Do you know what I mean?
01:34:51.760 --> 01:34:59.680
Like you you've received some external information, great, but uh you've only been able to, in your own mind, deduce the truth as you see it, right?
01:35:00.319 --> 01:35:02.479
Like the truth isn't external.
01:35:03.520 --> 01:35:04.640
Ooh, that's a good one.
01:35:04.800 --> 01:35:15.279
So yeah, but if you present me with something and then I now change my mind as to what I thought was true, and that you presented me with information, it has come from you, hasn't it?
01:35:15.520 --> 01:35:17.279
The information has, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:35:17.520 --> 01:35:27.039
And then you're saying that my so my background, my reality, my who I am is how I'll augment that information with what you now see the truth as being.
01:35:27.279 --> 01:35:27.600
Yeah.
01:35:27.760 --> 01:35:28.079
Yeah.
01:35:28.399 --> 01:35:31.840
For for example Yeah, but facts are facts, aren't they?
01:35:32.000 --> 01:35:32.239
Never.
01:35:32.319 --> 01:35:32.479
No.
01:35:32.720 --> 01:35:36.960
No facts, there are I I don't even I don't know if there are any facts, right?
01:35:37.119 --> 01:35:39.199
Like actions a fact.
01:35:40.640 --> 01:35:41.760
I've just clapped.
01:35:42.000 --> 01:35:42.720
Agreed?
01:35:43.680 --> 01:35:45.119
No, I don't agree.
01:35:45.279 --> 01:35:46.239
You haven't clapped.
01:35:46.399 --> 01:35:47.119
What is a clap?
01:35:47.359 --> 01:35:47.840
What was the noise?
01:35:47.920 --> 01:35:48.319
What were the hands?
01:35:48.399 --> 01:35:49.199
What the thing is?
01:35:49.359 --> 01:35:51.760
No, that's the that's the that's the mental thing about it, isn't it?
01:35:51.920 --> 01:35:52.640
Like, yeah, yeah.
01:35:52.880 --> 01:35:55.039
Do we agree that that society calls that a clap?
01:35:55.279 --> 01:35:57.039
I believe I saw you put your hands together, yeah.
01:35:57.920 --> 01:35:58.319
Brilliant.
01:35:58.640 --> 01:35:59.279
What's going on?
01:36:00.560 --> 01:36:18.399
I mean, like what that you presented me with the information today, that really that information's already there, but it's got me thinking, like the guess who thing or whatever, such as in the plan, you know, that the possibilities of actions are there, and there's this percentage of probabilities of those actions, yeah.
01:36:18.720 --> 01:36:23.680
And as soon as I do an action, what are they there 99, 99, 99, 99, 100%?
01:36:23.920 --> 01:36:24.800
I've touched that book.
01:36:24.880 --> 01:36:25.119
Yeah.
01:36:25.279 --> 01:36:32.079
Now all the other possibilities of what could or should have happened have to the energy of those things have to exist somewhere.
01:36:32.239 --> 01:36:32.560
Exactly.
01:36:32.880 --> 01:36:34.239
Where does it go and what's happening with it?
01:36:34.319 --> 01:36:35.199
Yeah, it has to go somewhere.
01:36:35.439 --> 01:36:36.239
It has to go somewhere.
01:36:36.319 --> 01:36:36.399
Yeah.
01:36:36.560 --> 01:36:43.119
So does it just Does it just keep going forward to my next my personal next possibility?
01:36:43.760 --> 01:36:46.720
Uh yeah, that's an interesting um that's an interesting thought.
01:36:46.960 --> 01:36:48.640
We've all got our own Yeah.
01:36:50.239 --> 01:36:51.840
That builds up into a big one.
01:36:52.159 --> 01:37:05.600
I hypothesized it as the energy gets released um into the universe and it has uh it has a physical effect on the universe, um, but it's it's dark, and that's where the dark energy or dark matter, sorry, comes from.
01:37:05.680 --> 01:37:08.159
So it's not recycled into somebody else's possibility.
01:37:08.399 --> 01:37:13.520
No, but it's not not in my current hypothesis, but it's a really interesting train of thought.
01:37:13.600 --> 01:37:14.479
Like, where does that go?
01:37:14.560 --> 01:37:31.119
That's like why black holes are so interesting because they're just churning up the universe, and it's like what happens to all of the energy that goes inside of them, and you know, Hawkin said that it leaks out again through Hawkin radiation, but it's a leaks back out, black hole back outwards, it goes in and it leaks out the same way, or it's somewhere else.
01:37:31.439 --> 01:37:35.920
Well, supposedly it leaks back out into our universe through radiation, which is called Hawkin radiation.
01:37:36.399 --> 01:37:42.880
Um, but yeah, it's uh I I think I think it's impossible just to put a bookend on that.
01:37:43.119 --> 01:37:52.479
I think it's I think it is impossible to wonder about anything to do with the universe without being spiritual because you'll be so far from the truth if you're not open-minded enough to accept it.
01:37:52.640 --> 01:37:53.199
Are you religious?
01:37:54.079 --> 01:37:56.479
But I've got to close this, I could talk to you another two hours.
01:37:56.880 --> 01:38:00.239
You're gonna tell me off, you can't and I keep going over, and I said I won't go over anymore.
01:38:00.319 --> 01:38:04.000
And I am just are you let's just talk about religion quickly.
01:38:04.159 --> 01:38:05.199
Are you religious?
01:38:05.439 --> 01:38:13.439
Um you kind of dealt you kind of touched on it yourself, and then Yeah, like I I'm I'm more religious now than I was.
01:38:13.840 --> 01:38:18.079
Um, science has pushed you towards uh a God.
01:38:18.239 --> 01:38:20.319
Yeah, I don't you just know what you mean, is that right?
01:38:20.800 --> 01:38:26.000
Yeah, because don't you just well I don't know if it's a god, a simulation runner, whatever, but um a something.
01:38:26.159 --> 01:38:39.760
Yes, because I don't know about you, but I could I could just sit there for half an hour thinking how absurd it is that we think that everything came from this nothingness and is then going to expand out into nothingness in one hit.
01:38:40.319 --> 01:38:42.640
It's just not just before that as well.
01:38:42.960 --> 01:38:43.840
What exists before that?
01:38:44.000 --> 01:38:44.560
What was it?
01:38:44.800 --> 01:38:48.319
Exactly, like it doesn't it I can't wrap my mind around that.
01:38:48.640 --> 01:39:03.600
So your yeah, your logical brain has gone to an illogical thought to reason as to why we all exist, and it's saying that something, someone, some god, some somebody, master, has created it.
01:39:03.760 --> 01:39:07.840
Yeah, basically, yes, and that's why it runs so perfectly in some.
01:39:08.239 --> 01:39:10.159
Well, and that's why I think that's why off physics.
01:39:10.479 --> 01:39:15.520
That's why there's a yin and a yang, and there's a female, a feminine, and a masculine, and there's a yeah, there's all this balance everywhere.
01:39:15.680 --> 01:39:23.039
Yes, and yeah, yeah, and who knows what reality really is, like and maybe taking psychedelics get you there, but so cool.
01:39:23.199 --> 01:39:25.199
Yeah, we need to talk longer, but I can't.
01:39:25.359 --> 01:39:34.479
Um, and um that was that what I need to close it, but I'm gonna close it on a question that I've been asking people, which is I ask, who are you?
01:39:35.279 --> 01:39:36.960
And we dissected that.
01:39:37.199 --> 01:39:39.039
But there's no there is no real answer, is there?
01:39:39.119 --> 01:39:41.520
You you can't give an answer because it's quite unique to everybody else as well.
01:39:41.760 --> 01:39:49.840
Like you were saying about me receiving the information, that is a very unique question for everybody, and it's not a it's just whatever you think is right, really, isn't it?
01:39:49.920 --> 01:39:50.239
I suppose.
01:39:50.319 --> 01:39:50.479
Yeah.
01:39:50.640 --> 01:39:54.399
Um and then we went like went to who are we, who are we then?
01:39:54.640 --> 01:39:56.159
So it was a closing question.
01:39:56.960 --> 01:40:01.039
Okay, I don't want the straight answer like a drink or a Ferrari.
01:40:01.199 --> 01:40:02.319
What do you want?
01:40:03.119 --> 01:40:04.560
What does Phil want?
01:40:04.880 --> 01:40:07.039
It's a difficult question as well, in a different way.
01:40:07.520 --> 01:40:15.680
Yeah, I I think it's just um it wouldn't be anything superficial.
01:40:16.399 --> 01:40:23.039
Uh and obviously, you know, like it's it's tempting to say something to do with your family or whatever.
01:40:23.199 --> 01:40:28.319
I think it's I think it's just more time to understand.
01:40:29.039 --> 01:40:34.800
I think that's like where I sort of lean towards like on this earth, yeah or on this simulation.
01:40:35.199 --> 01:40:35.680
Yeah.
01:40:36.239 --> 01:40:37.840
I'm not really bothered about it being on this earth.
01:40:38.079 --> 01:40:43.840
Do you mean more time to understand as in length as in years, or I'm too busy working, really all I want to do is delve into this information?
01:40:44.000 --> 01:40:44.880
Which which one did you mean?
01:40:45.039 --> 01:40:46.159
Well, they're both are kind of the same thing.
01:40:46.399 --> 01:40:53.039
Well, yeah, because if you have so if you won, let's pretend you've just found out now you've just won 50 million pounds.
01:40:53.840 --> 01:40:55.279
What does Phil do next?
01:40:55.520 --> 01:40:57.680
I'm gonna recomplete change the question.
01:40:57.920 --> 01:41:03.520
Uh so you've got all the time in the world, you've got all the freedom and resources now.
01:41:03.920 --> 01:41:07.680
Like you say, forget that, you're gonna get a house with a swimming pool, you're gonna sort your kids out, okay, blah blah blah.
01:41:07.840 --> 01:41:15.520
So what's Phil as this human, this soul, this simulation guy, what what's what's he gonna do his next move with£50 million in the bank?
01:41:15.600 --> 01:41:22.319
Yeah, it's difficult, anyway, because like you've got all the altruistic ideas of I just want to be able to help all all the family and friends that you've got to do.
01:41:22.479 --> 01:41:25.199
Yeah, that's really all that all that the obvious sort of thing.
01:41:27.920 --> 01:41:30.399
No, it's just it's just 'cause you would tick your own boxes first, of course you would.
01:41:30.560 --> 01:41:30.720
Yeah.
01:41:31.119 --> 01:41:31.600
And then what?
01:41:31.840 --> 01:41:38.479
It's it's to it's to try and just uh come to some piece of understanding, I think.
01:41:38.880 --> 01:41:44.960
How would that freedom and m the monetary f having that monetary freedom enable you to do that better?
01:41:45.199 --> 01:41:56.319
Um because you have the time to to uh indulge in um it's like a hobby for you, like you get enjoyment out of searching.
01:41:56.720 --> 01:42:02.239
Yeah, I get goosebumps when I when I think of a like a a connective piece of information.
01:42:02.319 --> 01:42:03.520
I'm like, that's awesome.
01:42:03.680 --> 01:42:05.039
Like it's it's euphoric at times.
01:42:05.119 --> 01:42:06.399
So cool.
01:42:06.880 --> 01:42:08.960
I think I think having time to do more of that.
01:42:09.359 --> 01:42:35.600
Yeah, I did have I had a moment in the car, I was just driving and like had this thought about um about my physics paper and a problem that I was dealing with, and I got this really bizarre feeling in my in my mind, like a tingling sort of sensation that was like just really really new information, new idea or yeah, like I had this new idea, this new connection that I that I'd made, and I like like I said, it was almost euphoric.
01:42:35.920 --> 01:42:37.760
Um it just That's amazing.
01:42:37.840 --> 01:42:38.479
Yeah, it just buzzed.
01:42:38.560 --> 01:42:38.800
I can't wait.
01:42:38.960 --> 01:42:39.680
So where's that coming from?
01:42:39.840 --> 01:42:46.800
Where's where is that yeah, where did that live before that new thought came into your way you were driving?
01:42:46.960 --> 01:42:47.520
Where was it?
01:42:47.680 --> 01:42:49.279
Yeah, where was it?
01:42:50.000 --> 01:42:51.279
Yeah, buried in there somewhere.
01:42:51.680 --> 01:42:52.319
Yeah, but where was it?
01:42:52.560 --> 01:42:54.640
Did that have weight and could that was that measurable?
01:42:54.720 --> 01:42:55.279
Was that in the future?
01:42:55.600 --> 01:42:56.239
It must be, yeah, yeah.
01:42:56.399 --> 01:42:57.760
And it's just somehow, yeah.
01:42:58.000 --> 01:43:00.079
Is that your subconscious working behind the scenes?
01:43:00.319 --> 01:43:00.800
What is it?
01:43:00.960 --> 01:43:03.359
Well undoubtedly, it like a lot of it is, right?
01:43:03.520 --> 01:43:06.399
Like you get a lot of those euphoric moments when you're unconscious.
01:43:06.640 --> 01:43:08.720
And have you I've got to stop talking.
01:43:09.039 --> 01:43:11.840
Have you have you done DMT, mushrooms, anything?
01:43:12.000 --> 01:43:13.600
No, nothing, no, never mind.
01:43:13.760 --> 01:43:14.399
Me neither, Alex.
01:43:14.720 --> 01:43:15.199
Me neither.
01:43:15.279 --> 01:43:17.359
But I do believe it's one of my next steps.
01:43:17.600 --> 01:43:22.159
So when I do, are you ready to do it?
01:43:23.840 --> 01:43:28.800
If it's in the proper right environment and everything, if it all matches and then you'll have to do it with me.
01:43:29.039 --> 01:43:29.439
Will I?
01:43:29.520 --> 01:43:31.760
Is that my reality?
01:43:31.920 --> 01:43:34.319
If that's my reality, is it not yours?
01:43:37.439 --> 01:43:46.239
Okay, is there anything you you feel like you you wanted to say or you're gonna say that I didn't get around to asking, or that you wanted to, or something we just spoke about that you didn't want to finish off, or no, I don't think so.
01:43:46.640 --> 01:43:47.279
Are you happy?
01:43:47.520 --> 01:43:48.239
Yeah, I'd like it.
01:43:48.560 --> 01:43:49.439
I could chat with you for ages.
01:43:49.520 --> 01:43:51.920
So oh, we're gonna, we're gonna, it's not gonna stop here, yeah.
01:43:52.000 --> 01:43:53.119
Um, thank you so much for coming.
01:43:53.279 --> 01:43:54.720
Yeah, I really appreciate the voice.