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[SPEAKER_00]: Hello and welcome back to the Euroclutch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in Hamilton and we've got a big forbidden door weekend coming up in a fortnight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Preview of that coming up next weekend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But after the last episode, I wanted to look back at something a little bit different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Going back, well, depending on when it drops on your feet, nine years ago this week, a show where your goal really did have a thousand fans packed into it for a moment in British wrestling history.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But first, we've got to go back to a little bit more than nine years ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: May, twenty-seven, twenty-six, team, Cork and Horn, Tokyo, best of a super junior twenty-three, ninety-six.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not first place you'd think of, but bear with me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Will Osprey gets to ricochet a matriot broke a lot of brains most of the way with GIFs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Long before New Japan and TV Sahi went crazy with banhamnon twitter, this was a match which both people back and they remember.
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[SPEAKER_00]: a match with exchanges between Osprey and Rukeshavat were maybe a little too gymnastic but very much attention grabbing and like say back in the you know the days of Twitter where people were sharing gifts and all that with a bandan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It pretty much took over the discourse for the day now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's a lot of old-stitch compute for mainstream, I think it's not stuff like sports centre picked it up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course you have the old school of wrestlers, as they want to do, been morning about how kids these days don't know how to work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And look, a lot of people at the time I would be in one of them took issue with this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the main issues of a match was be selling, I know, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was burn ricochet selling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But as one of the things which you know people want to appeal behind the flashy backflips and what have you know what's the point doing roles if not in the moment especially in the jiffes you're not really saying the side effects of all because you had a gym connects for world and really you know taking five of it over it
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[SPEAKER_00]: One such organizer, who maybe didn't expect back then, was Vader.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, back then, you know, he was pumped from the very, very much downstream of his queen, or long after VWCW, hey, day, and not whatever he got to VWF and was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He took to a stricter account, and if it hadn't wasn't accidentally tuition out of his genitals, but as things were wanted to do on social media, this very quickly took hold.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because in twenty twenty five, you know, a lot of tweets get deleted for, you know, the reasons we don't need to get into, but there's very quickly went from being a retweet of a gift to some back and forth between Osprey and Mader, some begrudging respect from Mader side and in a matter of a few weeks it went from needling each other to
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[SPEAKER_00]: Famous becoming promours for a match at midpoint, June, seventeen, twenty sixteen, a tweet marked from Hillington, which being from around there that probably he for airport knowing the timelines, but a tweet from Elosbury on the seventeen for June, just falling it out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would absolutely love to face it at its age of time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People think I hate it, but I don't, I genuinely want this match.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and people, you know, the fans panning on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, you just got a lot of Veda, you know, talks cheap.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've called you out if you're accepting both a Colorado or a place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They won't be much ballet going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You see, I don't like you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to hurt you fairly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Shoot style anything goals.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I expect you're really an angry person, ain't you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Veda, right now extremely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say, what should I do again?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it goes back and forth from there, but, of course, in the background of that, there were talks going on, you know, the A-squared Wrestling Podcast and the Quild and Andy Boy Simmons, a cup of diverse a few years later on after Vader's passing, you know, well, it came out from the wash, but every time it was, you know, just yet another Twitter beef that maybe was, you know, looking to get a bit too out of hand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: all the back and forth in Osprey, going back and forth to Japan, no ships passing the night kind of thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Eventually, all this came into a head, and the morning of June, twenty-six, twenty-six, not even nine days after the Vader, and I want this match to eat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Red Pro poster announcement was something called Uprising, which was going to be August twelve, twenty-six.
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[SPEAKER_00]: With two faces on the poster, Vader will Osprey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Needless to say, ticks of actual absolutely full lieu of a window, meaning, twenty twenty-five prices of twenty-two pounds for flossies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You ain't getting into many big shows about money, let alone, you know, or a flossy, if anything like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But meant, you know, you had easily a thousand people in your college or a jet one thousand, not the seven hundred, you know, bumped up to a thousand for the sake of a nice round number.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the atmosphere inside the famous Bethlehem Green venue right night was a white house, a house, a middle of summer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The wood was more than helping it there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But this was a card, which could have been a one match show and they had quite a few under the card to build and not from a personal point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This was around the time I was starting to get back into wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think my first live show is a few months earlier at the garage in Islington, back for all the old progress in Devish shows.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to go too off track by reading the card for March, but no, a couple of names still pushing on as I'm recording this in twenty, twenty, five.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Be Presley, TK, Cooper, Chuck, Mamble, David Francis, go on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Long be less of the person names I'm at line of bear but
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[SPEAKER_00]: Going back to your call August, twenty sixteen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We had a pretty stuck on the cards and yeah, you know, we are doing, you know, five years on from speaking out a lot of names here, not really ageing well, but no flip for them without making too much comments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jay White can strosh board in the opener, Charles Hammond is a big demo, Ryan Smiling PJ Black against the British Young Bloods, that was Jake McCloskey and the Bruce.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was a bit random, you know, seemed to have vanished out of the finner, or interfinner even.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chris here against Marty Skull, who could shake against Pete Dunn, and then the same main event was Sachs Sabid Jr defending the Rev Pro, but she had a way title against Jeff Cobb and
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[SPEAKER_00]: very unpopular finish and you know say we got build out for building left with Andy Quild and coming in to effectively save things and you know enough Jeff Cobb's announced it was being booked for the following year's rest of the main year shows got forgot largely on site before the main event and yeah this not if you want to call not like the old as a dream back a midday mma be free control fights in a sense this was kind of a progress along the equivalent of it
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[SPEAKER_00]: On one hand, you had Vader who just marked his first year on a version in wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's gone by cage match and no, speaking after a fact, you know, this was, if K to match is accurate, one of his final ten wrestling matches before he passed away on the flip side will offspring, not even five years into his wrestling career again going by cage match.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, Osprey, again, you were looking at what was it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This matter was basically two months after he'd won Best of Super Junior.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not about the same since he came up with a short cacheter, caching in that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Junior had a weight title shot at Dominion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ironically, a couple of days before the pot blasted around the Twitter was before the matter was announced.
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[SPEAKER_00]: See how to do very different polls at least in terms of experience and not least in terms of the look and the size of Cosvator much bigger than Osprey and back in your call, not Veda's stupid ref music hit and that was the cue for the thousand inside your call to roundly boo Veda not so much universally mind there were a few even at the time were not big fans of Will Osprey you had a few who were very much
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe pro Vader in terms of a contrarian point of view, but I was who not like Vader because of who he was when they were going up and also in terms of storyline or maybe if you really did believe Osprey has been disrespectful little prick in that sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On the flip side, because Osprey, not he was very much for returning a hero, you know, he might have won the Junior Heavyweight title with another first put to win the best for Super Junior.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and yeah this was like say it was a culture like I remember you know quite vividly being on the floor at your call this was pretty much standing room only from belt belt yeah you had seats but people up on their feet for me start to finish
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we had Vader, you know, get and build from, like, save the majority of the crowd.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The V's were crowded, point towards Vader weren't quite the ones.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was used to dishing out the old, you know, Vader had the handle of signal, back on the day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On the flipside Osprey, you know, he wasn't all that much for sure, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he just, no, started to be ring.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Vader took up his mask beforehand, which we listen back to the, and equaled in a squared wrestling podcast interviews.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was something which I think was a request for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He made full Veda, but now I want you as Veda in the mask with the old Veda or a Leotard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was Veda and Leotard, albeit with a very touchy, holy practitioner covering it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you get what he gets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We did get the mask even if it wasn't full of match.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Veda, did a promo and again for my podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One that you may not have been too enamored with before, but it did a job on the day, so all's well, but it ends well, yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, hey, we can't patch in live, make some video as in twenty twenty five.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no way in how you get miss on the stream in twenty sixteen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you could pick the best part of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Before the bell asked for a flipped off fader who just took them down for corner before the bell and yeah this fretent is not really going.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You had a ref-bomb early on, a crowd cheered, a thing spelled outside, a shadow of your spotted at pre-mup contendery, you were done again rebellious in the crowd or a drink side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: trying to separate Osprey and Veda to no avail.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We did put some space stream with Osprey, hit for ramp and did a big flip dive off of the ramp towards Veda and Ruining, which if you've seen Reftwood y'all call you can kind of picture that better than I can describe it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's more like a running cannibal from what I would call, but I think it's been when sour.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Vader got hold of us, played, dragged him up for ramp towards the stage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One chalk slam off the stage through the commentary table, and it's just absolute bedlam.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No crowd absolutely electric.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No shit, Vader's ruined this big matter we wanted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Vader hates a map much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's willing to kill him by falling through a table, of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No progress and we know what it was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have medics where you know check on the loss per day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have production of a time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's basically two counties on a zoom mic recording.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know Andy Quillden or bandening commentary to check while Andy boy Simmons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know kept hold of that zoom mic and you know kept doing some commentary while things were going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, Osprey, because wasn't going to be down now, he got up, he crawled off three commentary table back towards Vering.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we had our match.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, this was, yeah, this Pymish wasn't, no, it was a lot of smoke and mirrors, and it was always going to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Willosbury, five years in, not quite the season as it would become, Vader, unfortunately a few years away from, you know, the last match of his career really very much on the downswing and, you know, the ability wise not what he's prepared for the game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Vader in twenty sixteen, you can use exactly what you're expecting, you weren't getting primed, you would receive the big van Vader here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but they made the most of it snow in brewing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Osprey got squashed by Vader with an avalanche from the corner, he got thrown around, second choke slam escaped, and Osprey managed to hit that handspink and security, took Vader down to the knee, but for me it was pretty much all Osprey bouncing around Vader, close lines, and again, you have to remember, no, this isn't Vader, I'm not, that does work for me, but other kind of thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: on paper, you know, a hard, you know, much small offspring.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the way, you know, any fiber-pinned much go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what this was being sold as to the crowd was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was not a catch-as-catch-can wrestling match.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a fight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, while, you know, people were maybe not quite, so a number before where this isn't going to be a classic contest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it wasn't meant to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Trevple's credit, we did have stuff, kind of dovetailing out first.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Osprey did try and get back in to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We ended up another year of bump with a running drop kick, basically having a great squat referee Chris Roberts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we get, like I said, in twenty twenty five on family music, if you've not been a fan-run, Peter and came out to not the music you would more associate it with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Back in Repoi, we had a much different song too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We had progress and ultimately we got moved into his WWE track.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, Peter comes out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Tax, Osprey with the drop dead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's now called the better end?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can't say drop dead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not PG.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then we had, I guess, to start from being there with Pete Dunne shaking hands with what people call it at this time, his wrestling dad, Vader.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, there was a lot of men too, you know, spin off two way, you know, Osprey and Rooka Shagans, Pete Dunne and Vader matched online, didn't happen, of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, we kind of didn't have poor story lines of the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We had Pete Dunne and Will Osprey feuding over Osprey's cruiseway title.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he wanted a little nugget of context, not a few weeks later, we had those two meeting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In what would be Osprey's one-in-one successful title defense, Osprey's commitments to New Japan and Memphis, you know, his appearances in Reef Pro, very few in part between, wasn't until the following April that he would lose up belts to Josh Borden.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I say, no, this would be, you know, Will Osprey pretty much not being available and, you know, kind of what we saw as a template for a lot of guys who, you know, started making a New Japan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If it had to as a Japan, we certainly would have big y'all call shows wouldn't fit around their availability.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you had to know belts on guys who largely weren't around such as life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, of course, Peter Naut to attack Osprey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Save was being made by Rookishay, who had beaten Peter Naut even, I'd rather, you know, again, bit of tough telling there for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, of course, so, Vader had a bit of beef with Rookishay as well, because of Batmatch ended up with Vader being double-teamed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Shooting star presses from Rookishay, then Osprey need to warn it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Peter impols up referee Osprey wiped out, done on the floor with a Sasuke special, or in back and ring, two chalks, some of them get the win and,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, look, this was never going to be, you know, the five star class, and I think every time I went below sea would like, it was in terms of a match, not much to write home about, as a spectacle of all this was, I guess one of the, not the shining moments of the, you know, pervable, per trans boom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you'll go back to, you know, progress had the big moment, it went really really, never had the Alexander Palace, super strong style shows.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But in terms of a moment where,
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it was able to take something, not to say this was not chicken, sold out to chicken, shit kind of stuff, but they had a big Twitter beef that went back and forth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is the could have just been lost to time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm only gonna have this much in America.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it ended up being very quickly sold it out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have this simply much, but I swear if it describes it, it's not a rev pro match, it's not one of those all the long rev pro classics, instead of the records as you wish to see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But pretty much only a match with this level of rev pro could have done, like, progress would not go into the race.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe PCWP and Preston, but again, in terms of the size of the stage and the venues.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It probably wouldn't have, you know, gotten the eyeballs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Our wrestling fans outside of London are, you know, the quote and quote big two at the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, certainly Osprey, Vader in twenty sixteen, you know, would have gotten some interest, but how many people would have gone out for a way to have tracked it down if it wasn't in, for all due respect to PCW for time and established promotion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We did have some post-match stuff, of course, Osprey, you know, babyface themselves after losing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, claim Pete and failed, we have pro fans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was pretty much that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So flipping over to Cage match, Vader caused passing away in June of twenty eighteen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did have a few matches after this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A couple of days later, he nor stayed in the UK.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Much beatings hit Scarler for the X-Bluet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, released later, he had to show in proct and Massachusetts for top-up motions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bob Evans, Gangrel and Vader against Trankyvane, Jimmy Malones and Congo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was some luminous fire there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A big time wrestling in twenty seventeen, a weekend swing in Japan, a tradition, a coconut hole, an able-twentieth Ricky Choshu, Shiro Koshanakun to Tsume Fujunami, against the Kiwakage Mutual Invader, which, yep, that's, yeah, but I hope I may tape somewhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Two more nights for tradition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This was the Fujianami debut, forty-five anniversary tour.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, very involved back for one last weekend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, just over a year, probably passed a restaurant five in Ringo, Georgia against the Ironman, someone who made it so big.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His cage match name does not have a clicky link.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, can't tell anything about him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, yeah, on cage match, this was, you know, the ninth to last very much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, yeah, pretty much, you know, let's say beta past June, twenty eighteen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, perhaps week two later, about a squared rest in podcasts, because no longer around, but, and equal to ninety by Simmons, pinched it like a, in molyum, reminiscent podcast on the whole beta, Osprey stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, a couple of nugs became out of this, which, you know, in hindsight, you know, speak volumes and, you know, I guess really insightful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, is you'd expect, you know, Vader's initial response was just to the gyps of Vader.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Vader was based off through Ricochet, Osprest of from New Japan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Vader hadn't seen the whole match, and you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would have been stunned, frankly, had been watching or having his new Japan world subscription getting a bit of a crack of dawn in Colorado, watching that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no way he would have seen more than just those gypsies at the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It first Andy Quilton had no intention of doing up match.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, like I said, a very unref pro match to book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, after Willospray, in fact, he tweeted out what he wanted for March, it ended up becoming something that Kulden made the mission to do, but not by his own mission.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He meld Vader took a week from to get response, not surprised where.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, it became something that very quickly came together once, and obeyed it to get response.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, the first, you know, it made a bunch of package days and all guarantee of rematches and not, you know, made it ever the working or want to terms from being, you know, I hate World Wars people at the end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to be his best friend and be his type partner because if I can never came out, it hadn't been one and done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I think fade was booked for some common constant as well with Steve Linsky ranging roles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some meet in Greece and that actually way much of first hit Scarlet, you know, it had been tacked onto it as we spoke out earlier.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Every time as it be surprised well, maybe not so much knowing how it defines up
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a fair bit of backlash once this match was announced, this isn't RF Pro.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How dare you book this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not booking, I'm not buying a tick device.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thing was, you know, you're always going to get backlash, like, especially around RF Pro, you know, they always seem to be, you know, something malightening, a lot of this kind of stuff, but, you know, and the structure is going through this one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, the idea of getting a lot more of the quote and quote casual fans buying a ticker to this,
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, they had to see the undercard knowing you weren't coming in just for main event and this was the proverbial show where you came for main event and that undercard sold you on the portion as a whole.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Something nothing and claimed in this podcast, seventy percent of ticked by his followers of no, seven hundred were first time with pro fans, you know, whether that's accurate or not, you know, it's held a start to chart out about his face.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of I didn't remember, but apparently this is the case, they were going to do like a, I guess we've called now press conference, a face to face event was being raided or trying to jump the pipe from the end, got called off due to low sales now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even remember that being a thing back then now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Grants that wasn't his terminally online as I am now, but you know, you would have forfeit would have been at least some, you know, mention or whisper of this, but yeah, apparently it was a thing, just I have no memory of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, getting towards short time, there's a little bit of, you know, bumps in the road, Vader, not quite sure if we needed a passport, pulling a full AR, Fox Bay, and been sawstows.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And something else we did suddenly miss out on was the classic dual ECW A was steam mask now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't quite know how about what we've gotten through customs and, you know, how about we looked at your call, but, um, yeah, one little detail, which, you know, had even been possible, you know, would have been nice to have had, but, uh, sadly,
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, we got what we got pretty much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As for much itself, you know, Vedas, you know, Angling to get a rematch, which is why, you know, Pete Dunn has put in sort of the very least, you know, you could do the Vader in Pete and Tycteen, or as an end of being or Vader, and Osprey, which had all been booked, so you had to know an outshive away if
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they didn't want to do really much, or things could fall together there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Another thing that nearly derailed from action on top of the passport stuff, they'd arrive in the country in pretty bad shape by all accounts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it could work, but not pretty much transports on free airport and wheelchair.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about podcast and saying we're going to want to see a talk to others for a gym at reasons or what we say back and then some candy for the boys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We ended up not sketching out for much and yeah if you're only reason why we didn't get the Vader and Peter and team of partnership was because we had a time when we were not going to be done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, which is the shame because, you know, another nugget of accountability was, you know, talk of Peter and having a Vader mask and doing much of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, it would have been absolutely goofing ridiculous, but, you know, the Vader Osprey, you know, dad and lads, you know, tag team with the matching game, you know, Peter and did get the Vaderish game made.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, probably would have not gotten a pop out of someone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't have been an even long-term, but is a quirky thing for a year, you know, would have been good to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But alas, that isn't where it went.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was one line from again, wrap up from me on these podcasts, which, you know, I think speaks about it in twenty, twenty, five.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For the first time in forever, people cared who won't last.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's a lot of stuff that gets booked today when you're winning a lot of shows where, you know, I've resolved, no, a fog on conclusion where the people just really don't care about what they're seeing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this isn't a dick at RAF Pro, this is across a lot of wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And certainly someone getting back into the scene in, in, in, in, in, in, in, when I was much, was as, as we thank utter dog legs, was the kind of much which not really, you know, captured the attention.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it was more than just, you know, a couple hundred people in a dingy venue every now and then.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was the same as growing, and, well, this isn't to be made, you know, never did make anyone's much-beer of results.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a kind of match which had people going back to look.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the scene which is more than just getting people in as a fly and fall, you know, a weekend and then match it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this was a B-match people wanted to see for better or for worse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a mom that, you know, could easily not be in capitalised on the repotidist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, yeah, it may not have been a match between the way people would want to see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It may not have been a whole story arc, but it could have gone away people wanted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: as something that, you know, Bader and Will Osprey did, you know, based on immersion off of a very, you know, a backhanded comment from the, you know, of the GIFs of the Osprey Rickshay match in New Japan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was making a lot out of something which very easily could have been swept out of the carpet and, you know, because that's what wrestling is, isn't it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not so much of a plant, there's stuff you plan for, but making most of anything fallsing on that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I'm off to try and rest my voice next weekend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, weekend after this, we do have aid when we've been door weekend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not going to be previewing much or because there's other podcasts that we'll do that better than I can.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we do have an absolute library list of the Western shows going on in and around London.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So hopefully early next week before those all go on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be joined, I hope to buy Neil David to run down both the web pro and MSV shows that night one now pin rebounds global was UK.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've sat a second night of the and MSV that's being topped by Ricky Knight Jim against Charles Samuels and we've got chosen like the progress we've got a person ceasefire.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, uh, right covering even a few of us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going down all the cards for those.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why you should care where you can watch them as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks much for listening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hello and welcome back to the Euroclutch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in Hamilton and we've got a big forbidden door weekend coming up in a fortnight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Preview of that coming up next weekend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But after the last episode, I wanted to look back at something a little bit different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Going back, well, depending on when it drops on your feet, nine years ago this week, a show where your goal really did have a thousand fans packed into it for a moment in British wrestling history.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But first, we've got to go back to a little bit more than nine years ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: May, twenty-seven, twenty-six, team, Cork and Horn, Tokyo, best of a super junior twenty-three, ninety-six.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not first place you'd think of, but bear with me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Will Osprey gets to ricochet a matriot broke a lot of brains most of the way with GIFs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Long before New Japan and TV Sahi went crazy with banhamnon twitter, this was a match which both people back and they remember.
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[SPEAKER_00]: a match with exchanges between Osprey and Rukeshavat were maybe a little too gymnastic but very much attention grabbing and like say back in the you know the days of Twitter where people were sharing gifts and all that with a bandan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It pretty much took over the discourse for the day now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's a lot of old-stitch compute for mainstream, I think it's not stuff like sports centre picked it up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course you have the old school of wrestlers, as they want to do, been morning about how kids these days don't know how to work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And look, a lot of people at the time I would be in one of them took issue with this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the main issues of a match was be selling, I know, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was burn ricochet selling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But as one of the things which you know people want to appeal behind the flashy backflips and what have you know what's the point doing roles if not in the moment especially in the jiffes you're not really saying the side effects of all because you had a gym connects for world and really you know taking five of it over it
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[SPEAKER_00]: One such organizer, who maybe didn't expect back then, was Vader.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, back then, you know, he was pumped from the very, very much downstream of his queen, or long after VWCW, hey, day, and not whatever he got to VWF and was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He took to a stricter account, and if it hadn't wasn't accidentally tuition out of his genitals, but as things were wanted to do on social media, this very quickly took hold.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because in twenty twenty five, you know, a lot of tweets get deleted for, you know, the reasons we don't need to get into, but there's very quickly went from being a retweet of a gift to some back and forth between Osprey and Mader, some begrudging respect from Mader side and in a matter of a few weeks it went from needling each other to
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[SPEAKER_00]: Famous becoming promours for a match at midpoint, June, seventeen, twenty sixteen, a tweet marked from Hillington, which being from around there that probably he for airport knowing the timelines, but a tweet from Elosbury on the seventeen for June, just falling it out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would absolutely love to face it at its age of time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People think I hate it, but I don't, I genuinely want this match.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and people, you know, the fans panning on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, you just got a lot of Veda, you know, talks cheap.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've called you out if you're accepting both a Colorado or a place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They won't be much ballet going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You see, I don't like you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to hurt you fairly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Shoot style anything goals.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I expect you're really an angry person, ain't you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Veda, right now extremely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say, what should I do again?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it goes back and forth from there, but, of course, in the background of that, there were talks going on, you know, the A-squared Wrestling Podcast and the Quild and Andy Boy Simmons, a cup of diverse a few years later on after Vader's passing, you know, well, it came out from the wash, but every time it was, you know, just yet another Twitter beef that maybe was, you know, looking to get a bit too out of hand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: all the back and forth in Osprey, going back and forth to Japan, no ships passing the night kind of thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Eventually, all this came into a head, and the morning of June, twenty-six, twenty-six, not even nine days after the Vader, and I want this match to eat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Red Pro poster announcement was something called Uprising, which was going to be August twelve, twenty-six.
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[SPEAKER_00]: With two faces on the poster, Vader will Osprey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Needless to say, ticks of actual absolutely full lieu of a window, meaning, twenty twenty-five prices of twenty-two pounds for flossies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You ain't getting into many big shows about money, let alone, you know, or a flossy, if anything like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But meant, you know, you had easily a thousand people in your college or a jet one thousand, not the seven hundred, you know, bumped up to a thousand for the sake of a nice round number.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the atmosphere inside the famous Bethlehem Green venue right night was a white house, a house, a middle of summer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The wood was more than helping it there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But this was a card, which could have been a one match show and they had quite a few under the card to build and not from a personal point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This was around the time I was starting to get back into wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think my first live show is a few months earlier at the garage in Islington, back for all the old progress in Devish shows.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to go too off track by reading the card for March, but no, a couple of names still pushing on as I'm recording this in twenty, twenty, five.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Be Presley, TK, Cooper, Chuck, Mamble, David Francis, go on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Long be less of the person names I'm at line of bear but
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[SPEAKER_00]: Going back to your call August, twenty sixteen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We had a pretty stuck on the cards and yeah, you know, we are doing, you know, five years on from speaking out a lot of names here, not really ageing well, but no flip for them without making too much comments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jay White can strosh board in the opener, Charles Hammond is a big demo, Ryan Smiling PJ Black against the British Young Bloods, that was Jake McCloskey and the Bruce.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was a bit random, you know, seemed to have vanished out of the finner, or interfinner even.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chris here against Marty Skull, who could shake against Pete Dunn, and then the same main event was Sachs Sabid Jr defending the Rev Pro, but she had a way title against Jeff Cobb and
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[SPEAKER_00]: very unpopular finish and you know say we got build out for building left with Andy Quild and coming in to effectively save things and you know enough Jeff Cobb's announced it was being booked for the following year's rest of the main year shows got forgot largely on site before the main event and yeah this not if you want to call not like the old as a dream back a midday mma be free control fights in a sense this was kind of a progress along the equivalent of it
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[SPEAKER_00]: On one hand, you had Vader who just marked his first year on a version in wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's gone by cage match and no, speaking after a fact, you know, this was, if K to match is accurate, one of his final ten wrestling matches before he passed away on the flip side will offspring, not even five years into his wrestling career again going by cage match.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, Osprey, again, you were looking at what was it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This matter was basically two months after he'd won Best of Super Junior.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not about the same since he came up with a short cacheter, caching in that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Junior had a weight title shot at Dominion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ironically, a couple of days before the pot blasted around the Twitter was before the matter was announced.
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[SPEAKER_00]: See how to do very different polls at least in terms of experience and not least in terms of the look and the size of Cosvator much bigger than Osprey and back in your call, not Veda's stupid ref music hit and that was the cue for the thousand inside your call to roundly boo Veda not so much universally mind there were a few even at the time were not big fans of Will Osprey you had a few who were very much
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe pro Vader in terms of a contrarian point of view, but I was who not like Vader because of who he was when they were going up and also in terms of storyline or maybe if you really did believe Osprey has been disrespectful little prick in that sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On the flip side, because Osprey, not he was very much for returning a hero, you know, he might have won the Junior Heavyweight title with another first put to win the best for Super Junior.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and yeah this was like say it was a culture like I remember you know quite vividly being on the floor at your call this was pretty much standing room only from belt belt yeah you had seats but people up on their feet for me start to finish
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we had Vader, you know, get and build from, like, save the majority of the crowd.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The V's were crowded, point towards Vader weren't quite the ones.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was used to dishing out the old, you know, Vader had the handle of signal, back on the day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On the flipside Osprey, you know, he wasn't all that much for sure, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he just, no, started to be ring.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Vader took up his mask beforehand, which we listen back to the, and equaled in a squared wrestling podcast interviews.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was something which I think was a request for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He made full Veda, but now I want you as Veda in the mask with the old Veda or a Leotard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was Veda and Leotard, albeit with a very touchy, holy practitioner covering it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you get what he gets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We did get the mask even if it wasn't full of match.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Veda, did a promo and again for my podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One that you may not have been too enamored with before, but it did a job on the day, so all's well, but it ends well, yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, hey, we can't patch in live, make some video as in twenty twenty five.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no way in how you get miss on the stream in twenty sixteen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you could pick the best part of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Before the bell asked for a flipped off fader who just took them down for corner before the bell and yeah this fretent is not really going.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You had a ref-bomb early on, a crowd cheered, a thing spelled outside, a shadow of your spotted at pre-mup contendery, you were done again rebellious in the crowd or a drink side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: trying to separate Osprey and Veda to no avail.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We did put some space stream with Osprey, hit for ramp and did a big flip dive off of the ramp towards Veda and Ruining, which if you've seen Reftwood y'all call you can kind of picture that better than I can describe it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's more like a running cannibal from what I would call, but I think it's been when sour.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Vader got hold of us, played, dragged him up for ramp towards the stage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One chalk slam off the stage through the commentary table, and it's just absolute bedlam.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No crowd absolutely electric.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No shit, Vader's ruined this big matter we wanted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Vader hates a map much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's willing to kill him by falling through a table, of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No progress and we know what it was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have medics where you know check on the loss per day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have production of a time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's basically two counties on a zoom mic recording.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know Andy Quillden or bandening commentary to check while Andy boy Simmons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know kept hold of that zoom mic and you know kept doing some commentary while things were going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, Osprey, because wasn't going to be down now, he got up, he crawled off three commentary table back towards Vering.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we had our match.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, this was, yeah, this Pymish wasn't, no, it was a lot of smoke and mirrors, and it was always going to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Willosbury, five years in, not quite the season as it would become, Vader, unfortunately a few years away from, you know, the last match of his career really very much on the downswing and, you know, the ability wise not what he's prepared for the game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Vader in twenty sixteen, you can use exactly what you're expecting, you weren't getting primed, you would receive the big van Vader here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but they made the most of it snow in brewing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Osprey got squashed by Vader with an avalanche from the corner, he got thrown around, second choke slam escaped, and Osprey managed to hit that handspink and security, took Vader down to the knee, but for me it was pretty much all Osprey bouncing around Vader, close lines, and again, you have to remember, no, this isn't Vader, I'm not, that does work for me, but other kind of thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: on paper, you know, a hard, you know, much small offspring.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the way, you know, any fiber-pinned much go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what this was being sold as to the crowd was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was not a catch-as-catch-can wrestling match.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a fight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, while, you know, people were maybe not quite, so a number before where this isn't going to be a classic contest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it wasn't meant to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Trevple's credit, we did have stuff, kind of dovetailing out first.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Osprey did try and get back in to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We ended up another year of bump with a running drop kick, basically having a great squat referee Chris Roberts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we get, like I said, in twenty twenty five on family music, if you've not been a fan-run, Peter and came out to not the music you would more associate it with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Back in Repoi, we had a much different song too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We had progress and ultimately we got moved into his WWE track.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, Peter comes out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Tax, Osprey with the drop dead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's now called the better end?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can't say drop dead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not PG.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then we had, I guess, to start from being there with Pete Dunne shaking hands with what people call it at this time, his wrestling dad, Vader.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, there was a lot of men too, you know, spin off two way, you know, Osprey and Rooka Shagans, Pete Dunne and Vader matched online, didn't happen, of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, we kind of didn't have poor story lines of the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We had Pete Dunne and Will Osprey feuding over Osprey's cruiseway title.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he wanted a little nugget of context, not a few weeks later, we had those two meeting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In what would be Osprey's one-in-one successful title defense, Osprey's commitments to New Japan and Memphis, you know, his appearances in Reef Pro, very few in part between, wasn't until the following April that he would lose up belts to Josh Borden.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I say, no, this would be, you know, Will Osprey pretty much not being available and, you know, kind of what we saw as a template for a lot of guys who, you know, started making a New Japan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If it had to as a Japan, we certainly would have big y'all call shows wouldn't fit around their availability.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you had to know belts on guys who largely weren't around such as life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, of course, Peter Naut to attack Osprey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Save was being made by Rookishay, who had beaten Peter Naut even, I'd rather, you know, again, bit of tough telling there for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, of course, so, Vader had a bit of beef with Rookishay as well, because of Batmatch ended up with Vader being double-teamed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Shooting star presses from Rookishay, then Osprey need to warn it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Peter impols up referee Osprey wiped out, done on the floor with a Sasuke special, or in back and ring, two chalks, some of them get the win and,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, look, this was never going to be, you know, the five star class, and I think every time I went below sea would like, it was in terms of a match, not much to write home about, as a spectacle of all this was, I guess one of the, not the shining moments of the, you know, pervable, per trans boom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you'll go back to, you know, progress had the big moment, it went really really, never had the Alexander Palace, super strong style shows.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But in terms of a moment where,
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it was able to take something, not to say this was not chicken, sold out to chicken, shit kind of stuff, but they had a big Twitter beef that went back and forth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is the could have just been lost to time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm only gonna have this much in America.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it ended up being very quickly sold it out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have this simply much, but I swear if it describes it, it's not a rev pro match, it's not one of those all the long rev pro classics, instead of the records as you wish to see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But pretty much only a match with this level of rev pro could have done, like, progress would not go into the race.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe PCWP and Preston, but again, in terms of the size of the stage and the venues.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It probably wouldn't have, you know, gotten the eyeballs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Our wrestling fans outside of London are, you know, the quote and quote big two at the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, certainly Osprey, Vader in twenty sixteen, you know, would have gotten some interest, but how many people would have gone out for a way to have tracked it down if it wasn't in, for all due respect to PCW for time and established promotion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We did have some post-match stuff, of course, Osprey, you know, babyface themselves after losing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, claim Pete and failed, we have pro fans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was pretty much that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So flipping over to Cage match, Vader caused passing away in June of twenty eighteen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did have a few matches after this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A couple of days later, he nor stayed in the UK.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Much beatings hit Scarler for the X-Bluet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, released later, he had to show in proct and Massachusetts for top-up motions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bob Evans, Gangrel and Vader against Trankyvane, Jimmy Malones and Congo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was some luminous fire there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A big time wrestling in twenty seventeen, a weekend swing in Japan, a tradition, a coconut hole, an able-twentieth Ricky Choshu, Shiro Koshanakun to Tsume Fujunami, against the Kiwakage Mutual Invader, which, yep, that's, yeah, but I hope I may tape somewhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Two more nights for tradition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This was the Fujianami debut, forty-five anniversary tour.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, very involved back for one last weekend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, just over a year, probably passed a restaurant five in Ringo, Georgia against the Ironman, someone who made it so big.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His cage match name does not have a clicky link.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, can't tell anything about him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, yeah, on cage match, this was, you know, the ninth to last very much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, yeah, pretty much, you know, let's say beta past June, twenty eighteen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, perhaps week two later, about a squared rest in podcasts, because no longer around, but, and equal to ninety by Simmons, pinched it like a, in molyum, reminiscent podcast on the whole beta, Osprey stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, a couple of nugs became out of this, which, you know, in hindsight, you know, speak volumes and, you know, I guess really insightful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, is you'd expect, you know, Vader's initial response was just to the gyps of Vader.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Vader was based off through Ricochet, Osprest of from New Japan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Vader hadn't seen the whole match, and you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would have been stunned, frankly, had been watching or having his new Japan world subscription getting a bit of a crack of dawn in Colorado, watching that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no way he would have seen more than just those gypsies at the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It first Andy Quilton had no intention of doing up match.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, like I said, a very unref pro match to book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, after Willospray, in fact, he tweeted out what he wanted for March, it ended up becoming something that Kulden made the mission to do, but not by his own mission.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He meld Vader took a week from to get response, not surprised where.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, it became something that very quickly came together once, and obeyed it to get response.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, the first, you know, it made a bunch of package days and all guarantee of rematches and not, you know, made it ever the working or want to terms from being, you know, I hate World Wars people at the end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to be his best friend and be his type partner because if I can never came out, it hadn't been one and done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I think fade was booked for some common constant as well with Steve Linsky ranging roles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some meet in Greece and that actually way much of first hit Scarlet, you know, it had been tacked onto it as we spoke out earlier.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Every time as it be surprised well, maybe not so much knowing how it defines up
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a fair bit of backlash once this match was announced, this isn't RF Pro.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How dare you book this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not booking, I'm not buying a tick device.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thing was, you know, you're always going to get backlash, like, especially around RF Pro, you know, they always seem to be, you know, something malightening, a lot of this kind of stuff, but, you know, and the structure is going through this one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, the idea of getting a lot more of the quote and quote casual fans buying a ticker to this,
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, they had to see the undercard knowing you weren't coming in just for main event and this was the proverbial show where you came for main event and that undercard sold you on the portion as a whole.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Something nothing and claimed in this podcast, seventy percent of ticked by his followers of no, seven hundred were first time with pro fans, you know, whether that's accurate or not, you know, it's held a start to chart out about his face.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of I didn't remember, but apparently this is the case, they were going to do like a, I guess we've called now press conference, a face to face event was being raided or trying to jump the pipe from the end, got called off due to low sales now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even remember that being a thing back then now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Grants that wasn't his terminally online as I am now, but you know, you would have forfeit would have been at least some, you know, mention or whisper of this, but yeah, apparently it was a thing, just I have no memory of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, getting towards short time, there's a little bit of, you know, bumps in the road, Vader, not quite sure if we needed a passport, pulling a full AR, Fox Bay, and been sawstows.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And something else we did suddenly miss out on was the classic dual ECW A was steam mask now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't quite know how about what we've gotten through customs and, you know, how about we looked at your call, but, um, yeah, one little detail, which, you know, had even been possible, you know, would have been nice to have had, but, uh, sadly,
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, we got what we got pretty much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As for much itself, you know, Vedas, you know, Angling to get a rematch, which is why, you know, Pete Dunn has put in sort of the very least, you know, you could do the Vader in Pete and Tycteen, or as an end of being or Vader, and Osprey, which had all been booked, so you had to know an outshive away if
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they didn't want to do really much, or things could fall together there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Another thing that nearly derailed from action on top of the passport stuff, they'd arrive in the country in pretty bad shape by all accounts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it could work, but not pretty much transports on free airport and wheelchair.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about podcast and saying we're going to want to see a talk to others for a gym at reasons or what we say back and then some candy for the boys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We ended up not sketching out for much and yeah if you're only reason why we didn't get the Vader and Peter and team of partnership was because we had a time when we were not going to be done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, which is the shame because, you know, another nugget of accountability was, you know, talk of Peter and having a Vader mask and doing much of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, it would have been absolutely goofing ridiculous, but, you know, the Vader Osprey, you know, dad and lads, you know, tag team with the matching game, you know, Peter and did get the Vaderish game made.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, probably would have not gotten a pop out of someone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't have been an even long-term, but is a quirky thing for a year, you know, would have been good to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But alas, that isn't where it went.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was one line from again, wrap up from me on these podcasts, which, you know, I think speaks about it in twenty, twenty, five.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For the first time in forever, people cared who won't last.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's a lot of stuff that gets booked today when you're winning a lot of shows where, you know, I've resolved, no, a fog on conclusion where the people just really don't care about what they're seeing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this isn't a dick at RAF Pro, this is across a lot of wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And certainly someone getting back into the scene in, in, in, in, in, in, in, when I was much, was as, as we thank utter dog legs, was the kind of much which not really, you know, captured the attention.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it was more than just, you know, a couple hundred people in a dingy venue every now and then.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was the same as growing, and, well, this isn't to be made, you know, never did make anyone's much-beer of results.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a kind of match which had people going back to look.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the scene which is more than just getting people in as a fly and fall, you know, a weekend and then match it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this was a B-match people wanted to see for better or for worse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a mom that, you know, could easily not be in capitalised on the repotidist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, yeah, it may not have been a match between the way people would want to see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It may not have been a whole story arc, but it could have gone away people wanted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: as something that, you know, Bader and Will Osprey did, you know, based on immersion off of a very, you know, a backhanded comment from the, you know, of the GIFs of the Osprey Rickshay match in New Japan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was making a lot out of something which very easily could have been swept out of the carpet and, you know, because that's what wrestling is, isn't it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not so much of a plant, there's stuff you plan for, but making most of anything fallsing on that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I'm off to try and rest my voice next weekend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, weekend after this, we do have aid when we've been door weekend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not going to be previewing much or because there's other podcasts that we'll do that better than I can.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we do have an absolute library list of the Western shows going on in and around London.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So hopefully early next week before those all go on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be joined, I hope to buy Neil David to run down both the web pro and MSV shows that night one now pin rebounds global was UK.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've sat a second night of the and MSV that's being topped by Ricky Knight Jim against Charles Samuels and we've got chosen like the progress we've got a person ceasefire.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, uh, right covering even a few of us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going down all the cards for those.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why you should care where you can watch them as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks much for listening.
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