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Speaker 1: If Casey and I'm tightling and you're listening to the Element podcast.
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Speaker 2: What's going on?
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Speaker 1: Boddy? Welcome to the on the podcast brought you by first. Like Gear, I always come in a little hot e Tyler, Hey, sometimes you know, not always, but sometimes it happens.
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Speaker 2: I need a Celsius. We're kind of fired up around here. Already had one, this one in six fifteen.
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Speaker 3: Is I had a tiny one. I've been having vertigo lately.
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Speaker 2: Bad. Yeah, I remember you're saying something. I feel like I.
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Speaker 3: Can't tell if it helps or hurts, but the vertigo makes my eyes feel heavy and tired all day. It's a weird deal. So I just like drink Celsius to try to wake me up. And I don't want to be because I was trying to get off of it. But right now I'm struggling.
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Speaker 2: Man.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I got I slept, I went to bed, and I was laying in bed by eight o'clock last night. Probably can't go to bed till nine or sleep till nine, but I got good sleep last night, not four not so much. So you ever taken magnesium. I don't think I have. I think Kayley took it for a while. And had there's like a there's also like a reverse effect that can happen or something. I think she might she'd have to tell you about it.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: But she was having, she was having, she was seeing benefits from it, but every once in a while there'd be like a weird thing. I can't remember.
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Speaker 1: I was off of it for a few weeks because like we went on a bunch of long turkey hunts and stuff, and I kind of get off any you know, vitamins or whatever.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, when we do that, just because the schedule gets off.
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Speaker 1: But I just started taking it again in the past week, and I wasn't sleeping good before it, and now I'm back to sleeping really well, waking up without my alarm at five point thirty, ready to go.
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Speaker 2: It's good, And so it might be something worth looking at.
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Speaker 1: This is by no means the medical advice podcast, right, But there's different ones that help you do different things. So, like there's one type of magnesium I think it's like magnesium calcate or magnesium citrate or something that it's really just a laxative, so it don't help a lot. But now I think it's magnesium ill fining or something like that. I don't know anyway, So I'll show you a picture of the bottle that I'm taking in, and I think it would be worth trying.
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Speaker 3: I would, I would definitely try it. I mean, I've been one thing I've been having. I've been drinking too much liquid at the end of the day.
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Speaker 2: And I was doing that too.
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Speaker 3: I was waking up and peen at night. Yep mm hmm, all good. Yeah. I been trying to stay hydrated in this heat. Man, that's hard, it is, but you know, Celtic seesaal helps with that, does it.
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Speaker 1: So hydration is not water, it's you're able to ability retin retain water and so like a good I mean, whenever you drink Gatorade or power aid or whatever it is, you're trying to get the electrolytes, right, That's why that stuff actually works better than water.
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Speaker 3: That's why I've been drinking those elements all day.
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Speaker 1: Yeah too, they're good now. But that's I mean, that's just that's essentially it. You know, it's just different trace minerals. That's what electrolots are. Some salts and stuff, and so I make sure and use some type of real good salt and like with breakfast this morning, and then that'll help you instead of having to drink like pure filtered water and drink two gallons of it, you know, you can drink less.
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Speaker 2: And retain it. Yeah, but those are your element health tips for the day.
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Speaker 1: We'll include more of that stuff, you know, because as we're getting older, man, you's got you gotta watch out for somehow Mega Michael, just six, man, Michael, you slim gems and drink celsius and that's it.
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Speaker 2: You know, and then ages every minute.
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Speaker 1: He was twelve when he got here and he's already.
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Speaker 2: Forty eight, you know, like he.
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Speaker 3: To be gone before we know it. I know, all right, man, little Mike.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're actually gonna talk about some archery stuff today and we're just gonna hop right into it.
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Speaker 2: It's gonna be like some quick hitter.
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Speaker 1: Just like some of the stuff that you know, you're kind of on a journey with us guys, especially a lot of y'all that been around since golly man, what was it like January twenty seventeen. Right, if you've been here since then, just just spam f and the chat down there. But old head, the you've seen us change our setups and do a lot of different stuff and change tactics and change just complete as I'm so much different than I was then. I'm thankful for that, and I hope I never stopped changing, and I hope I am continuing to improve. In fact, I pray for that. And we had a big talk. Was on the podcast or not, but maybe it was just in a devo we did. But essentially, self evaluation is a huge thing both for the Christian, the man and the archer if you want to start, you know, looking at different aspects of you life.
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Speaker 2: And we're gonna talk about the archer side of it today.
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Speaker 1: So Tyler, I'm gonna start you off with something that you've been talking about some We both now have gravitated towards slider sites, which means your your site for your bow, your your pin site that you point at the animal. You know, you put the little indicator on the animals shoot them. We have sliders which means that we can dial to certain ranges specifically, so if that deer is at forty three, I can put my indicator at forty three and shoot the deer instead of like having to do what a what you call a pin gap where it's like you put your forty a little high or whatever you've been messing with having your slider be your top versus your bottom. What did you shoot last year? What are you leaning towards now? And why did you do that?
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Speaker 3: The last couple of years, since I started shooting a slider, I have decided that a slider would be twenty thirty forty on my pins, because you have horizontal three pin sliders what you shoot and the bottom pin, the forty pin is my slider pin. Essentially the whole site housing slides. But I would determine so when I if you have a if you have a one, if you have like a one, uh, what's it called the indicator that indicates what yardage you're on? Right, If you have a one indicator site like I did, then when you're twenty thirty forty is set, then you would have the indicator set at forty and you know that that everything is twenty thirty forty when you're set at forty, which you would be pretty much topped out there.
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Speaker 2: And so.
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Speaker 3: The after that, whatever the indicator is set on, I'm shooting the lowest pin or the forty. So like if it's if it's anything, if it's forty eight or fifty. I shot the big bucket, you know in twenty one that everybody's seen that. I moved that pin, the slider, the indicator to fifty and I shot my bottom pin. So that's the explanation.
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Speaker 2: Did you have a three pins slider then? Uh huh. So back then we were shooting a different brain of site. What were those called cbe CB, but they still had three pins.
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Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, yep, And so that's what I shot, and I shot that last year. So I've been for years now shooting it that way. I think I'm going to continue that, but I have been messing with shooting the top pen as the slider. In fact, I have a dual indicator site right now, which is probably why I started doing that. And so I've got an indicator for the top pin and indic indicator for the bottom pin. So what I really I still have twenty thirty forty set up.
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Speaker 2: But what I want.
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Speaker 3: What I wanted to see is since my my top pen is like in the middle of my site housing, I wanted to shoot top pen at long distance to see if I was more accurate, and to be honest, I may be more accurate.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I haven't had enough time with it yet because I haven't been practicing it a lot right lately or whatever. But I just think it's a it's a high chance that if I didn't just practice, practice, practice my tail off this summer, that I would mess that up in a situation on a live animal, and so I would shoot because I did it the other day in the yard. I was on Instagram live talking and answering some questions, which I do now and then, and just not paying a whole lot of attention. And so I go to shoot a sixty yarder and I shoot my bottom pin. Well I've been shooting my top at sixty, and it sails over the target and I lose another arrow.
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Speaker 1: So that's why I still like my two pen vertical, because I have two indicators, and so I just scroll and everywhere I scroll to. You know, ideally, if you have the perfect sight tape, which you know you kind of strike in the offseason, it doesn't matter if you have one that's on fifty two and the other ones on sixty. They're both correct. So like, you don't ever run into that problem. I can see it getting confusion for sure. Especially I mean I think about like great athletes who have like changed their technique and some things. And I know golf's a little different. People do that in golf because you have a lot of time to think.
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Speaker 2: But you think about like.
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Speaker 1: Larry Bird, if people if someone to coach someone low air along the way, this may have happened, tried to teach Larry how to shoot from in front of his face, you know, like he could coach him a ball off season to do that. And then all of a sudden, when it comes down for Larry to to you know, shoot a mid range jumper late in the fourth quarter in a game, He's still gonna shoot from behind his eg because that's what he does. He does it well, you know. So it's like there's just a thing where sometimes if you learn something a certain way, it's just muscle memory and it's to be really hard to get rid of and sometimes not worth the risk of trying.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like who who's uh, who's like this? I can't remember?
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Speaker 1: But sometimes I mean there are some greats that are this way right where it's just like, yeah, they might uh.
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Speaker 2: Do a weird.
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Speaker 1: Thing with their form, but you don't mess with it because they're good at what they do.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think for me, I've shot, I've seen it shoot pretty good on that shooting the bottom pen. So I'm just gonna you know, I tinkered with it. But I think I think that in the moment of truth, Man, I don't I messed. I've been messing with form a lot more lately than That's something I'm a lot more serious about changing, for sure.
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Speaker 2: So well, we'll get into that in just a second.
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Speaker 1: I have another question or another thing to ask you about your your sight set up there, or another comment. The Another thing that I would think is good about having your bottom pin as your mover is you don't have to do any calculations at long range distance. I'm not endorsing shooting one hundred and five yards at a deer, but what I am saying is I like to shoot that in the in the yard for sure. And if your top pin is your slider, you're probably it's probably gonna be sitting around eighty five or somewhere, and then you have to do some math to get your bottom pin, like if you want to shoot really really far, you know, and oftentimes the further you go out it's not a ten yard increment anymore. Things can can have a little bit of a gradient that's neither hend of there. But you get what I'm saying. Like, having your bottom pen be your slider, is the one that you get the most range out of is the easy way to say.
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Speaker 2: That, Yeah, for sure. And I think that.
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Speaker 3: Also if you if your bottom pin is your slider, like say your top pen was your slider, and you see this deer is fixing to come out, and you know there's two trails and ones that you know one's at forty five and the other ones at sixty. Right, Well, if you take your pins and you slide them, you know, forty five to the top pen because you think he's going to come out on that trail more than likely. But you are also like, well that my bottom pen will be sixty five, so i'll shoot you know, a little low or whatever for at sixty if he comes out there or whatever. You know, you start making adjustments in your head or whatever. Well, the thing is your top pins accurate, your bottom pin's not because you've assumed he's going to come out on this trail and you've put your top pen to where you think he's going to come out. Now, when he comes out far, your margin error is way bigger. And if you don't calculate very very well, then things can get kind of weird. Right, So for me, like if it's a far shot, then you know, basically putting your putting your pin on the farther your most accurate pen is your farthest shot in that sequence of shots or whatever that could happen. Makes it where like if you're going to shoot a long shot, then you have to actually like range it and crank the sight to the spot, as opposed to just being like, oh, yeah, he's just a little bit further, I'm going to shoot that pin a little lower, a little high, whatever, you know, he's just a little bit further than what my top pen is. I think it just potentially you could run into like if you over time, you could make better shots at distance because you're you're really making sure what the distance is and putting the pin on it, you know, as opposed to just being like, yeah, my top pen's here, so my bottom pin will be somewhere around there.
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Speaker 2: So what's the form thing you're working on?
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Speaker 3: It's relaxing my left shoulder, as you know, I shot an underdrawn bow for my whole life until I mean I shot an underdraw bow from the time I was fifteen or whenever I started shooting a bow. Well I was at that time. It wasn't underdrawn, but I had a big growth spurt when I was sixteen, so I'd say I was probably pretty close to underdrawing by the time I was sixteen or seventeen, until I was I don't know, until two years ago whatever, So like a long time.
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Speaker 1: So you mean when you say you're like, you mean like not be not have your shoulder compacted.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean like loosening out and it's dropping it dropping it dropping my shoulder.
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Speaker 2: Oh so you kind of did this thing where your elder.
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Speaker 3: Relax it so it's down like this instead of up here, you know, kind of scrunched up or whatever. But yeah, like I've had two different uh people tell me that work at the bow shop that my shoulder looks scrunched up. And so when two people say it, I take it pretty serious, you know, and been working on that, so really what it It kind of makes my my peep. I can't just pull it back to where I was because my people be too high.
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Speaker 2: I was That's my next question, if you had to make people adjutment.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so it's a it's a good reminder to so every time I pull it back, like even if I hadn't shot like I had in a couple of weeks recently, I pulled back, my peep's too high.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, yeah, it's because my shoulders up here. So I relax it. And I've been working on that quite a bit.
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Speaker 3: I feel like I shoot a lot better if you had to change your anchor points with that too, Yeah, a little bit.
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Speaker 2: Yep.
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Speaker 3: My my knuckle hits my ear in a little bit different spot, I feel like, and I may have to hold my mouth open a little bit farther to get the string to come across where I'm used to it coming across. I was noticing that the other night, that that was a possible thing too.
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Speaker 1: You know, that was one of the things that I really struggled with whenever I went to a short axle to axle bow because of the string angle. It's like, I'm so used to putting the tip of my nose on the string. It's just what I do. And then whenever you have that, you know, it's Essentially it's more acute right from where the string takes off from your release and so like you know, up reaching down there when your nose that ain't good and that's why and that's actually you know, this is theoretical or yeah, but I think that's why kisser buttons and all this stuff became a thing in the uh the early two thousands, and there's still people that use him in like Eric even uses a kisser button.
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Speaker 2: I think still.
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Speaker 3: It likes to kiss random things. It's kind of weird, but.
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Speaker 1: I think it's because that's when we started the speed kick really like came into full effect, and you know, shorter axle to axe of bows oftentimes are speed bows and so like, uh that you had to find a way to have some sort of an angle.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it makes sense. You know.
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Speaker 3: One thing I've also been thinking about in the form stuff is, uh, because my nose it's really not the tip, but it's like kind of on the side of the tip where my nose pressure is. But to not put too much pressure side pressure on that as well, uh, because sometimes you kind of just beary up into your anchor points, you know, and uh, that can cause tork and stuff.
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Speaker 2: And you can get some beard hung in there if you have beards to say, I have problems with that. Man got that Indian blood.
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Speaker 1: I uh, I've deal with that, and I think, Uh, I can't. I've seen you do it, I think, but I cannot shoot with a face mask on.
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Speaker 3: No, I don't. I thought.
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Speaker 2: I've seen you have that over your nose and shoot with it. No.
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Speaker 3: I mean there may have been a time, but I always pull it down. I mean I always. Uh, that's the first thing I do when a deer comes in is pull my mask down because I'm like, I can't see.
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Speaker 1: It's like the opposite of a lot of people. They're like, Oh, it comes the deer, and we'll cover my face, not me. Yeah, I mean if he if he's looking at your face, he's already figured out that your He's seen.
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Speaker 2: Your boots and everything else.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they've seen the cameraman's backpack, walking moving and walking moving in behind us and stuff.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So for me, I actually haven't been shooting near as much as I need to.
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Speaker 2: I need to.
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Speaker 1: I need to kind of get that back into the gear. But one of my issues has been I don't really know what air is. I'm gonna shoot, I'm kind of trying to figure that out a little bit.
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Speaker 2: Actually.
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Speaker 1: I also haven't been taking the time to do this stuff, like I need to. Got a lot of other stuff going on right now. But if y'all don't know this, we'll tell you. Vector Slash Method has sold and we aren't affiliated with with the new crew. I'm sure they're great, but we don't talk to them closely at least right now. So we kind of don't have any partnership with an Arrow, which is fine, I'm all about it, and that lets us give you some really unbiased things when it comes to air set up stuff.
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Speaker 2: And then also just to so you know, like.
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Speaker 1: You know, if we ever do have partners like we try to let you know, like hey, watch out for this or whatever, you know, even if it is like we just try to be honest, you know, like the hunting world is so biased according to who's paying who a lot of times, and you know, you've got to be respectful when you're doing business deals. But at the same time, if something's not good, it's not good, right, So we try to never work.
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Speaker 2: With somebody who's not good. I guess that's what I'm trying to say.
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Speaker 1: But all in all, I probably am going to shoot some of those old vector eras that I have, like from a few years back, because I have a lot of a certain weight and I like to be in that that five twenty five to five forty is a really really good spot for me.
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Speaker 2: I like it a whole lot. Why you like it.
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Speaker 1: It's heavy enough to help stable lies the arrow slow it down, but still be fast enough to where you're not like log lobbing logs too much. It's a weight that I feel really good about shooting a fixed or mechanical So yeah, that's that's that's my main reasons I think. I mean, we all know the whole heavy arrow thing that everybody goes off of.
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Speaker 2: But I'm.
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Speaker 1: I think I'm still a believer in like a moderate foc and uh that I'm not gonna go crazy about it. Right, But if you get too heavy of an arrow shaft, it's hard to get a decent FOC because you have so much weight in your arrow shaft. So you have to have a lot of weight up front to affect the percentage, which is not where you want to be.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: It's like think about, you know, if you have a cup of water and you want to turn it red, you drop one thing of red food colored in there. If you got a swim pool of water, takes a lot of red food color and turn it red. Right, That's kind of the same situation with FOC. But I'm not gonna dive too deep into that. But I just think that's a really good rawaight, for a lot of critters. As y'all know, I shot too deer this past year too, Is that right?
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Speaker 2: Yes?
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Speaker 1: Too deer with a lighter arrow set up, and I didn't really.
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Speaker 2: Like what happened with either of them. And it wasn't all in the weight of the arrow, But in general, I do think that I would like a little bit heavier than that.
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Speaker 3: Well, it was South Dakota and one other one Nebraska, that's right.
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Speaker 2: Nebraska actually didn't go that bad. I just.
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Speaker 1: I kind of like being able to shoot a deer from whatever direction and feel pretty good about getting all the penetration that I want to get. And Nebraska, I didn't get a lot of great penetration, but I did hit some vital stuff. I almost spawn that deer, but hit just below it and was able.
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Speaker 2: To cut autery.
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Speaker 1: I it wasn't a bad job, but on a great shot, deer jumped the string a little bit. And that's another thing too. Man, It's like that deer was like thirty five. I think if I remember right, and he jumped the string pretty good on me and I was shooting, I will just be ambiguous to say a very light arrow. So if he can jump string in a very light arrow coming out of one of the faster bows on the market, then what's the use you know, pin gaps? That would be the I guess the number one thing is pin gap would be a big thing. But I still don't think it's that much difference.
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Speaker 3: I think I think it could depend on your setup to a little bit. Like if you had a spot on a private chunk that you've hunted before, and you're like, every time I cam able to get a quarter and away shot as this is going away, you know, and you want to shoot a lighter arrow. Then the one thing that you and I get into a lot is like a weird situation on public where we have to shoot a deer that's slightly quartered too, whether it's on the ground coming into a call or something like that, or just like well if he gets broadside with us, he's going to get our wind, so we have to shoot him before he gets there.
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Speaker 1: I think it's a big thing. On the ground is a lot of times you're like getting in the way a deer and they're perceiving you. At some point in time, when you're in a tree, you getting the way of the deer. The deer's walks under your tree, and you shoot him quarter away. You just don't get that on them, come to think of it. You know, I've shot a lot of deer on the ground, and I shot all my deer on the ground this year, and the only one that was quartering away was the deer in Kansas, and he was blind on the side of that that I shot him from. Practically the only reason he walked by is because he was blinding that eye. So yeah, I think that's that's an interesting point. I think there's some validity to that. Do you need to go right now? I got a few minutes, OK. Yeah, So you traditionally have really liked to be right around the five hundred weight spot.
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Speaker 2: Is that still what you think? Yeah? I think so. I mean, I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I would say if you look at my whole archery life, I mean I've taken. I've been a lot lighter than that most most of it. But in the last few years i've been I've been calling it five hundred. I think most of my arrows are right around four ninety seven total arroway its.
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Speaker 2: Five hundred with the dust that's on, it's different.
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Speaker 3: I can't but the shooting one hundred and twenty five grain head total arroweight right at almost five hundred, and I don't think I really want to be much more than that. I think we had some scent to us, some arrows sent to us, like in January something, and I tuned to bow with them, and they shot pretty well actually, but they are like five fifteen's.
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Speaker 1: I think mine are a lot lighter the same. It's because the draw links and different things. Yeah, yeah, I haven't liked them as much.
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Speaker 3: I liked them, okay, But I'll tell you what, if they were four ninety seven instead of five point fifteen, I might have an axis buck on the wall right now, if you know what I mean.
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Speaker 2: Because it's a quick turnaround with they.
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Speaker 3: I'd have them being ready to put on the wall on some point. But yeah, that's uh because there's uh, you know, there's the pin gap thing is an issue in their windows and stuff like that, and brais.
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Speaker 2: That's another thing. I was thinking about this.
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Speaker 1: With some of my experiences with elk, because pin gap is a huge thing with elk, and uh we hunt white til like yount elklat on the ground, chasing around, you know, that kind of thing. I just I haven't shot a deer at one of those like, oh that tree is at thirty seven, I'm ready to take a thirty seven yard trot when a deer comes by.
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Speaker 2: I haven't done that in so long, you know.
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Speaker 1: So like there is an aspect, and that's one of the things that one of the reasons I wanted to shoot the lighter bow this past year, and it essentially didn't pay off for me.
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Speaker 2: I think I'm better off just ranging in the.
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Speaker 1: Moment and making it happen, you know, and just in getting drawn after I get arrange.
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Speaker 3: I like I like raing. I like knowing the exact range.
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Speaker 1: I would love to, Yeah, I see what you're saying, Like getting the ranging the deer when it's right there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I really like situations when there's beat down trails and you can just range and you know what, the rangers.
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Speaker 3: In South Dakoat of this year. If you watch that videos on meteor, that buck was on a trail. He was actually heading right under our tree, I'm sure, but there were deer that were getting weird behind this, and I don't know if it's because they smelled us, because our wind was blowing that direction or what. I wasn't able to look back that way. But this deer stood for like five minutes just on alert, and then he goes to run past us. And I knew one of those trails was right at about twenty and that helped me a lot because I'd range that trail earlier in the day and I had my distances, and you have to go through those distances throughout the For me, at least, I'm not like I don't have that kind of memory. So I go through every every twenty minutes, you know, as it's starting to get darker or more, I'm thinking, okay, twenty to that one, thirty six to that one, whatever. And you know, I try to use round round numbers as well, Like if it's thirty six, I just call it thirty five in my mind, so I know, you know, but sometimes you get that twenty eight, which is a weird one or twenty.
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Speaker 2: Seven, you know, you know thirty seven or you know whatever.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, I usually will think about like what am I going to do with my pens in that situation? If it's thirty seven, then I'll probably be like, Okay, well I'm gonna shoot my thirty you know, dead nuts where I want it, because it's going to end up a little bit low and the deer is probably gonna jump a little bit, so it's probably gonna end up just right. I'll think about stuff like that when I go to shoot. But anyway, that's kind of a I'm diverging a little bit there.
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Speaker 2: But the.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the idea is that you know, knowing the distance, h the exact different distance of that deer is pretty handy, and those trails can make that a thing for you sometimes.
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Speaker 2: Yeah that Uh, I think about it.
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Speaker 1: On the south Da coat of the dear that I killed this year, I was on the ground with that deer, ranged the brush behind him on my first shot and missed. Uh, but I think I missed over. I don't know, I think you did miss over. Yeah, so yeah, that would makes sense. Arranged ranged too far, so I set my pen too far and I missed, missed over him, and then funny enough, I don't think I ranged in the second time. I just saw how high I was and was like, oh, I need to aim lower and a lower and hit him, which was should have been lethal shot.
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Speaker 2: We've we've hatched that out quite a bit. Just your broadheads, guys, don't use something. I'm proving and that's kind of hard to do though. Thing.
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Speaker 3: It's like, you know, when you're a pitcher, you know, one.
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Speaker 1: Of those unspoken things, right, like who does the priest confess to?
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Speaker 2: You know?
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Speaker 3: I mean, but I had had a friend in high school. One of the coaches yell he was he's a really brilliant guy and kind of a little bit of a rebel, and uh when the coaches yelled at him, he was pitching, and he goes, you gotta have confidence, and he looks at him in the game, he looks over his coach and just in front of everybody, goes, how am I supposed to have confidence? If I don't, if I'm not doing good. It's kind of those things like you need confidence to pitch well, but you also need to pitch well before you have confidence. Chicken before the egg thing. So the Broadhead thing is like you know, yeah, that's why, that's why we try to give this kind of information out that. I mean, you can your stuff will be a little different than ours, probably, but you can at least know when we say this is really bad or this is really good, there's a chance that it.
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Speaker 2: Works for you too well.
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Speaker 1: Word of mouth is the best advertising, whatever you want to call it. You know, word of mouth is the way to know if something is good or not. I mean this Broadhead might have the best looking commercial ever, but talk to somebody that's used it and see what they think about it, because that's going to be the difference, you know, like think about I don't care about saying good things about people slick tricks, you know, we aren't affiliated with them all the cheap they will kill some stuff, I know killers that have used them for sure, they weren't great, you know, Like but you I don't know, I don't watch out or TV that much, so I don't know what advertising for like that or but I would just assume like an inexpensive, no frills fixed blade is not going to have a lot of marketing behind it, you know.
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Speaker 2: So it's like.
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Speaker 1: Just talk to people that you know that kill stuff, you know, and see what they use me. I've killed some things, so is Tyler. Most of the stuff we've killed lately has been with expandable three blades.
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Speaker 3: Also, you don't have to be radical. Yeah, so if some guy's preaching something radical to you that seems radical, it's not not saying it's not gonna work. But there's most things somewhere in the middle, and moderation of sorts is where a lot of things really make sense.
00:31:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't really think about that this was going to end up in that spot.
00:31:33
Speaker 2: But like, since radical is a little sketchy.
00:31:39
Speaker 1: Sometimes some people might even refer to me as radical at the time or time.
00:31:43
Speaker 2: That's okay.
00:31:45
Speaker 1: But h Tyler, you shot a lot of deer. What are some of the things that you can do two ensures and throat work too to really help success when you shoot a deer.
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Speaker 3: I've got this isn't just bow oriented, just like whatever think about bow.
00:32:07
Speaker 1: But like, for instance, mine would be after my experience with shooting you know quite a few deer with a bow. If I can shoot it a deer in less than thirty yards, that's gonna that's gonna up my chances of killing that deer a ton like when you when you start shooting further than thirty yards and I will do it. Okay, don't get me wrong, but you absolutely your chances of success go down.
00:32:31
Speaker 2: I just uh, by the numbers. That's just the way it works.
00:32:33
Speaker 1: If you shoot a sub thirty I'm not saying it's going to work, but like it's a thing.
00:32:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes a huge difference.
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Speaker 3: I would agree. I think that people lack focus generally speaking, that people lack focus because of the smartphone. And I think that what people underestimate is your is the mind's ability to kind of preconceive what's gonna happen and and think.
00:33:08
Speaker 2: Through and envision.
00:33:09
Speaker 3: Actually, truly, this is one thing I was trying to tell my son the other day about hitting the baseball, but truly envisioning yourself. For him, it was hitting a sign on this fence, hitting towards a sign, envision the ball landing in the outfield and rolling to the fence in that spot, you know what I mean. And I used to think about it football. I used to envision myself making a play A lot of times. It was like, man, they run this swing pass right here, and when he's got this split. That's how you know he's gonna run it, and you can if you'll take a chance, you'll pick it off and take it for six you know, and then envisioning myself doing that and how fun that would be or whatever. I think that that's the same thing with with with hunting as well as like truly, truly when you set up thinking, this is what I expect this buck to do, and I'm gonna shoot him there when he gets there, and just really like envision mentally what the it's going to look like and what it's going to take to do that, and then focusing on what the things you have to do where you're going to draw on him, and also play the whole thing through your mind and do that. I mean, most of the time when you set up in an evening, you're just like you're bored for the first two hours. You know, there's nothing happening, it's hot, whatever. I mean, think about the scenarios and envision yourself over here or over here if he comes to the base of the tree, what I'm going to do. I mean that South Dakota buck. I thought he's gonna come to the base of the tree, so early in the like when I first got set up, I figured out how I was going to shoot and keep my anchor points, and I was having to hook my foot around a limb, but so I can lean down and keep my anchor points and bend at the waist.
00:34:40
Speaker 2: But to shoot through the hole that I had.
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Speaker 3: Because you know how it is on public land, you got to just go with the holes the tree gives you. But anyway, I think that that would be like one of my best tips is just to really truly envision yourself being successful and what that takes to do that. Where you got to draw where the dear is going to be and and when it comes. When it happens, it's not a surprise. You've seen it in your mind before you know the I think that that absolutely is a big deal, and maybe to expand on it, there will be times that the deer does something you could not have predicted, and you need to have the mental fortitude and the wherewithal to just get over that and still make it work.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I can't tell you how many times I've been in the woods and I'm like, all the deer are down there, and they're gonna come this direction. And then all of a sudden there's a deer on the other side, and it's like you could either just let that just ruin your day or you can just figure out, I turn to shoot him.
00:35:40
Speaker 3: Problem solving, Yeah, it's a big deal, right it is, And you do it well, man, you just gotta I.
00:35:46
Speaker 1: Don't know, maybe it's so subjective that it's hard to explain people how to get better at problem solving. But put yourself in tough situations and figure out how to get out. It will be the thing that I would say, maybe not life threatening situations all the time, but tough situations.
00:36:01
Speaker 3: I mean, go play a sport, yeah you know what I mean, like constantly having to solve problems in a sport and fast a lot of times.
00:36:08
Speaker 2: You know, remodel a house, there's all. There's plenty of problems you encounter when you do that, for sure, and so like that that's a big thing. I think.
00:36:15
Speaker 1: It's just like, don't plan for everything you can, and when things don't go the way you thought they were going to, don't let it just bum folds of you.
00:36:23
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:36:24
Speaker 1: I think about the same thing with buck fever stuff, Like I don't get buck fever very often usually freak out afterwards. But everyone's all get excited and like make some irrational decisions. But I don't like shake so bad. I can't do things. But one of the things that I think I do differently than a lot of people is a lot of people like to look at the antlers and then like you're like, oh, I can't look at those me. I just like kind of try to push through it. I just like count the points or you know, this is so situational and you don't get to do this for often, but.
00:36:58
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I don't.
00:37:01
Speaker 1: It's almost like you could tarnish your experience by trying to not get too excited. The whole points to go out and do something super exciting and fun, right, So like embrace it, get excited, and just funnel that into like your drive to kill the deer.
00:37:14
Speaker 2: M I don't know if that's good advice, but that's what I do.
00:37:19
Speaker 3: That sounds good to me, and I think it's I think it's the thing. I like being excited. Man, Yeah, for sure.
00:37:23
Speaker 2: Man, Well, hopefully this is an exciting podcast for y'all.
00:37:27
Speaker 1: I know it's I shouldn't say it's hard, but it's it's weird. Getting excited about deer hunting in June, but you know, it's the next thing we get to do. That's a lot of a bunch of fishing between now and the end, and uh, we're constantly thinking about it.
00:37:38
Speaker 2: We're planning and what we're going to do. I didn't draw tech that I really thought I was going to this year.
00:37:44
Speaker 1: So I'm through the sad part of that and I'm onto the Well, this is kind of exciting because now I get to hunt somewhere I didn't think I was going to.
00:37:51
Speaker 3: I just have to figure out where that's at. Well, and you know what's rutting right now the ready years apparently well Access deer. Yeah, and so if you're listening to this on the twentieth of June, there will be a video out today on the media channel where we are hunting Axis with none other than Jannis pitel Us and those Access dere At some point they're always rutting. There's something, there's one that's always rutting. But like the right now is when the rut is kicking overall for that herd. And so I'm kind of wishing I was out there right now. But you know, second best is we get to watch it on video, so that media channel will have a nice video of us and Jannis hunting. There's a big monster buck in it, so you should definitely go watch that couple.
00:38:39
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, there is actually a couple of someone gets real close to one of them.
00:38:42
Speaker 3: Uh huh. So anyway, just go check that out if you're thinking about it. I think it'll come out at eleven Central or noon Central, so just be looking for that on the media channel, and make sure you subscribe to the Element channel YouTube channel if you haven't, and remember this is your Element live in it
Speaker 1: If Casey and I'm tightling and you're listening to the Element podcast.
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Speaker 2: What's going on?
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Speaker 1: Boddy? Welcome to the on the podcast brought you by first. Like Gear, I always come in a little hot e Tyler, Hey, sometimes you know, not always, but sometimes it happens.
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Speaker 2: I need a Celsius. We're kind of fired up around here. Already had one, this one in six fifteen.
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Speaker 3: Is I had a tiny one. I've been having vertigo lately.
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Speaker 2: Bad. Yeah, I remember you're saying something. I feel like I.
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Speaker 3: Can't tell if it helps or hurts, but the vertigo makes my eyes feel heavy and tired all day. It's a weird deal. So I just like drink Celsius to try to wake me up. And I don't want to be because I was trying to get off of it. But right now I'm struggling.
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Speaker 2: Man.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I got I slept, I went to bed, and I was laying in bed by eight o'clock last night. Probably can't go to bed till nine or sleep till nine, but I got good sleep last night, not four not so much. So you ever taken magnesium. I don't think I have. I think Kayley took it for a while. And had there's like a there's also like a reverse effect that can happen or something. I think she might she'd have to tell you about it.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: But she was having, she was having, she was seeing benefits from it, but every once in a while there'd be like a weird thing. I can't remember.
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Speaker 1: I was off of it for a few weeks because like we went on a bunch of long turkey hunts and stuff, and I kind of get off any you know, vitamins or whatever.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, when we do that, just because the schedule gets off.
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Speaker 1: But I just started taking it again in the past week, and I wasn't sleeping good before it, and now I'm back to sleeping really well, waking up without my alarm at five point thirty, ready to go.
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Speaker 2: It's good, And so it might be something worth looking at.
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Speaker 1: This is by no means the medical advice podcast, right, But there's different ones that help you do different things. So, like there's one type of magnesium I think it's like magnesium calcate or magnesium citrate or something that it's really just a laxative, so it don't help a lot. But now I think it's magnesium ill fining or something like that. I don't know anyway, So I'll show you a picture of the bottle that I'm taking in, and I think it would be worth trying.
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Speaker 3: I would, I would definitely try it. I mean, I've been one thing I've been having. I've been drinking too much liquid at the end of the day.
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Speaker 2: And I was doing that too.
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Speaker 3: I was waking up and peen at night. Yep mm hmm, all good. Yeah. I been trying to stay hydrated in this heat. Man, that's hard, it is, but you know, Celtic seesaal helps with that, does it.
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Speaker 1: So hydration is not water, it's you're able to ability retin retain water and so like a good I mean, whenever you drink Gatorade or power aid or whatever it is, you're trying to get the electrolytes, right, That's why that stuff actually works better than water.
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Speaker 3: That's why I've been drinking those elements all day.
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Speaker 1: Yeah too, they're good now. But that's I mean, that's just that's essentially it. You know, it's just different trace minerals. That's what electrolots are. Some salts and stuff, and so I make sure and use some type of real good salt and like with breakfast this morning, and then that'll help you instead of having to drink like pure filtered water and drink two gallons of it, you know, you can drink less.
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Speaker 2: And retain it. Yeah, but those are your element health tips for the day.
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Speaker 1: We'll include more of that stuff, you know, because as we're getting older, man, you's got you gotta watch out for somehow Mega Michael, just six, man, Michael, you slim gems and drink celsius and that's it.
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Speaker 2: You know, and then ages every minute.
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Speaker 1: He was twelve when he got here and he's already.
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Speaker 2: Forty eight, you know, like he.
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Speaker 3: To be gone before we know it. I know, all right, man, little Mike.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're actually gonna talk about some archery stuff today and we're just gonna hop right into it.
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Speaker 2: It's gonna be like some quick hitter.
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Speaker 1: Just like some of the stuff that you know, you're kind of on a journey with us guys, especially a lot of y'all that been around since golly man, what was it like January twenty seventeen. Right, if you've been here since then, just just spam f and the chat down there. But old head, the you've seen us change our setups and do a lot of different stuff and change tactics and change just complete as I'm so much different than I was then. I'm thankful for that, and I hope I never stopped changing, and I hope I am continuing to improve. In fact, I pray for that. And we had a big talk. Was on the podcast or not, but maybe it was just in a devo we did. But essentially, self evaluation is a huge thing both for the Christian, the man and the archer if you want to start, you know, looking at different aspects of you life.
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Speaker 2: And we're gonna talk about the archer side of it today.
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Speaker 1: So Tyler, I'm gonna start you off with something that you've been talking about some We both now have gravitated towards slider sites, which means your your site for your bow, your your pin site that you point at the animal. You know, you put the little indicator on the animals shoot them. We have sliders which means that we can dial to certain ranges specifically, so if that deer is at forty three, I can put my indicator at forty three and shoot the deer instead of like having to do what a what you call a pin gap where it's like you put your forty a little high or whatever you've been messing with having your slider be your top versus your bottom. What did you shoot last year? What are you leaning towards now? And why did you do that?
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Speaker 3: The last couple of years, since I started shooting a slider, I have decided that a slider would be twenty thirty forty on my pins, because you have horizontal three pin sliders what you shoot and the bottom pin, the forty pin is my slider pin. Essentially the whole site housing slides. But I would determine so when I if you have a if you have a one, if you have like a one, uh, what's it called the indicator that indicates what yardage you're on? Right, If you have a one indicator site like I did, then when you're twenty thirty forty is set, then you would have the indicator set at forty and you know that that everything is twenty thirty forty when you're set at forty, which you would be pretty much topped out there.
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Speaker 2: And so.
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Speaker 3: The after that, whatever the indicator is set on, I'm shooting the lowest pin or the forty. So like if it's if it's anything, if it's forty eight or fifty. I shot the big bucket, you know in twenty one that everybody's seen that. I moved that pin, the slider, the indicator to fifty and I shot my bottom pin. So that's the explanation.
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Speaker 2: Did you have a three pins slider then? Uh huh. So back then we were shooting a different brain of site. What were those called cbe CB, but they still had three pins.
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Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, yep, And so that's what I shot, and I shot that last year. So I've been for years now shooting it that way. I think I'm going to continue that, but I have been messing with shooting the top pen as the slider. In fact, I have a dual indicator site right now, which is probably why I started doing that. And so I've got an indicator for the top pin and indic indicator for the bottom pin. So what I really I still have twenty thirty forty set up.
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Speaker 2: But what I want.
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Speaker 3: What I wanted to see is since my my top pen is like in the middle of my site housing, I wanted to shoot top pen at long distance to see if I was more accurate, and to be honest, I may be more accurate.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I haven't had enough time with it yet because I haven't been practicing it a lot right lately or whatever. But I just think it's a it's a high chance that if I didn't just practice, practice, practice my tail off this summer, that I would mess that up in a situation on a live animal, and so I would shoot because I did it the other day in the yard. I was on Instagram live talking and answering some questions, which I do now and then, and just not paying a whole lot of attention. And so I go to shoot a sixty yarder and I shoot my bottom pin. Well I've been shooting my top at sixty, and it sails over the target and I lose another arrow.
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Speaker 1: So that's why I still like my two pen vertical, because I have two indicators, and so I just scroll and everywhere I scroll to. You know, ideally, if you have the perfect sight tape, which you know you kind of strike in the offseason, it doesn't matter if you have one that's on fifty two and the other ones on sixty. They're both correct. So like, you don't ever run into that problem. I can see it getting confusion for sure. Especially I mean I think about like great athletes who have like changed their technique and some things. And I know golf's a little different. People do that in golf because you have a lot of time to think.
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Speaker 2: But you think about like.
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Speaker 1: Larry Bird, if people if someone to coach someone low air along the way, this may have happened, tried to teach Larry how to shoot from in front of his face, you know, like he could coach him a ball off season to do that. And then all of a sudden, when it comes down for Larry to to you know, shoot a mid range jumper late in the fourth quarter in a game, He's still gonna shoot from behind his eg because that's what he does. He does it well, you know. So it's like there's just a thing where sometimes if you learn something a certain way, it's just muscle memory and it's to be really hard to get rid of and sometimes not worth the risk of trying.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like who who's uh, who's like this? I can't remember?
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Speaker 1: But sometimes I mean there are some greats that are this way right where it's just like, yeah, they might uh.
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Speaker 2: Do a weird.
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Speaker 1: Thing with their form, but you don't mess with it because they're good at what they do.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think for me, I've shot, I've seen it shoot pretty good on that shooting the bottom pen. So I'm just gonna you know, I tinkered with it. But I think I think that in the moment of truth, Man, I don't I messed. I've been messing with form a lot more lately than That's something I'm a lot more serious about changing, for sure.
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Speaker 2: So well, we'll get into that in just a second.
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Speaker 1: I have another question or another thing to ask you about your your sight set up there, or another comment. The Another thing that I would think is good about having your bottom pin as your mover is you don't have to do any calculations at long range distance. I'm not endorsing shooting one hundred and five yards at a deer, but what I am saying is I like to shoot that in the in the yard for sure. And if your top pin is your slider, you're probably it's probably gonna be sitting around eighty five or somewhere, and then you have to do some math to get your bottom pin, like if you want to shoot really really far, you know, and oftentimes the further you go out it's not a ten yard increment anymore. Things can can have a little bit of a gradient that's neither hend of there. But you get what I'm saying. Like, having your bottom pen be your slider, is the one that you get the most range out of is the easy way to say.
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Speaker 2: That, Yeah, for sure. And I think that.
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Speaker 3: Also if you if your bottom pin is your slider, like say your top pen was your slider, and you see this deer is fixing to come out, and you know there's two trails and ones that you know one's at forty five and the other ones at sixty. Right, Well, if you take your pins and you slide them, you know, forty five to the top pen because you think he's going to come out on that trail more than likely. But you are also like, well that my bottom pen will be sixty five, so i'll shoot you know, a little low or whatever for at sixty if he comes out there or whatever. You know, you start making adjustments in your head or whatever. Well, the thing is your top pins accurate, your bottom pin's not because you've assumed he's going to come out on this trail and you've put your top pen to where you think he's going to come out. Now, when he comes out far, your margin error is way bigger. And if you don't calculate very very well, then things can get kind of weird. Right, So for me, like if it's a far shot, then you know, basically putting your putting your pin on the farther your most accurate pen is your farthest shot in that sequence of shots or whatever that could happen. Makes it where like if you're going to shoot a long shot, then you have to actually like range it and crank the sight to the spot, as opposed to just being like, oh, yeah, he's just a little bit further, I'm going to shoot that pin a little lower, a little high, whatever, you know, he's just a little bit further than what my top pen is. I think it just potentially you could run into like if you over time, you could make better shots at distance because you're you're really making sure what the distance is and putting the pin on it, you know, as opposed to just being like, yeah, my top pen's here, so my bottom pin will be somewhere around there.
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Speaker 2: So what's the form thing you're working on?
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Speaker 3: It's relaxing my left shoulder, as you know, I shot an underdrawn bow for my whole life until I mean I shot an underdraw bow from the time I was fifteen or whenever I started shooting a bow. Well I was at that time. It wasn't underdrawn, but I had a big growth spurt when I was sixteen, so I'd say I was probably pretty close to underdrawing by the time I was sixteen or seventeen, until I was I don't know, until two years ago whatever, So like a long time.
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Speaker 1: So you mean when you say you're like, you mean like not be not have your shoulder compacted.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean like loosening out and it's dropping it dropping it dropping my shoulder.
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Speaker 2: Oh so you kind of did this thing where your elder.
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Speaker 3: Relax it so it's down like this instead of up here, you know, kind of scrunched up or whatever. But yeah, like I've had two different uh people tell me that work at the bow shop that my shoulder looks scrunched up. And so when two people say it, I take it pretty serious, you know, and been working on that, so really what it It kind of makes my my peep. I can't just pull it back to where I was because my people be too high.
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Speaker 2: I was That's my next question, if you had to make people adjutment.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so it's a it's a good reminder to so every time I pull it back, like even if I hadn't shot like I had in a couple of weeks recently, I pulled back, my peep's too high.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, yeah, it's because my shoulders up here. So I relax it. And I've been working on that quite a bit.
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Speaker 3: I feel like I shoot a lot better if you had to change your anchor points with that too, Yeah, a little bit.
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Speaker 2: Yep.
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Speaker 3: My my knuckle hits my ear in a little bit different spot, I feel like, and I may have to hold my mouth open a little bit farther to get the string to come across where I'm used to it coming across. I was noticing that the other night, that that was a possible thing too.
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Speaker 1: You know, that was one of the things that I really struggled with whenever I went to a short axle to axle bow because of the string angle. It's like, I'm so used to putting the tip of my nose on the string. It's just what I do. And then whenever you have that, you know, it's Essentially it's more acute right from where the string takes off from your release and so like you know, up reaching down there when your nose that ain't good and that's why and that's actually you know, this is theoretical or yeah, but I think that's why kisser buttons and all this stuff became a thing in the uh the early two thousands, and there's still people that use him in like Eric even uses a kisser button.
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Speaker 2: I think still.
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Speaker 3: It likes to kiss random things. It's kind of weird, but.
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Speaker 1: I think it's because that's when we started the speed kick really like came into full effect, and you know, shorter axle to axe of bows oftentimes are speed bows and so like, uh that you had to find a way to have some sort of an angle.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it makes sense. You know.
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Speaker 3: One thing I've also been thinking about in the form stuff is, uh, because my nose it's really not the tip, but it's like kind of on the side of the tip where my nose pressure is. But to not put too much pressure side pressure on that as well, uh, because sometimes you kind of just beary up into your anchor points, you know, and uh, that can cause tork and stuff.
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Speaker 2: And you can get some beard hung in there if you have beards to say, I have problems with that. Man got that Indian blood.
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Speaker 1: I uh, I've deal with that, and I think, Uh, I can't. I've seen you do it, I think, but I cannot shoot with a face mask on.
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Speaker 3: No, I don't. I thought.
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Speaker 2: I've seen you have that over your nose and shoot with it. No.
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Speaker 3: I mean there may have been a time, but I always pull it down. I mean I always. Uh, that's the first thing I do when a deer comes in is pull my mask down because I'm like, I can't see.
00:17:32
Speaker 1: It's like the opposite of a lot of people. They're like, Oh, it comes the deer, and we'll cover my face, not me. Yeah, I mean if he if he's looking at your face, he's already figured out that your He's seen.
00:17:41
Speaker 2: Your boots and everything else.
00:17:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've seen the cameraman's backpack, walking moving and walking moving in behind us and stuff.
00:17:51
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:18:13
Speaker 1: So for me, I actually haven't been shooting near as much as I need to.
00:18:19
Speaker 2: I need to.
00:18:20
Speaker 1: I need to kind of get that back into the gear. But one of my issues has been I don't really know what air is. I'm gonna shoot, I'm kind of trying to figure that out a little bit.
00:18:28
Speaker 2: Actually.
00:18:29
Speaker 1: I also haven't been taking the time to do this stuff, like I need to. Got a lot of other stuff going on right now. But if y'all don't know this, we'll tell you. Vector Slash Method has sold and we aren't affiliated with with the new crew. I'm sure they're great, but we don't talk to them closely at least right now. So we kind of don't have any partnership with an Arrow, which is fine, I'm all about it, and that lets us give you some really unbiased things when it comes to air set up stuff.
00:19:05
Speaker 2: And then also just to so you know, like.
00:19:10
Speaker 1: You know, if we ever do have partners like we try to let you know, like hey, watch out for this or whatever, you know, even if it is like we just try to be honest, you know, like the hunting world is so biased according to who's paying who a lot of times, and you know, you've got to be respectful when you're doing business deals. But at the same time, if something's not good, it's not good, right, So we try to never work.
00:19:33
Speaker 2: With somebody who's not good. I guess that's what I'm trying to say.
00:19:35
Speaker 1: But all in all, I probably am going to shoot some of those old vector eras that I have, like from a few years back, because I have a lot of a certain weight and I like to be in that that five twenty five to five forty is a really really good spot for me.
00:19:53
Speaker 2: I like it a whole lot. Why you like it.
00:19:56
Speaker 1: It's heavy enough to help stable lies the arrow slow it down, but still be fast enough to where you're not like log lobbing logs too much. It's a weight that I feel really good about shooting a fixed or mechanical So yeah, that's that's that's my main reasons I think. I mean, we all know the whole heavy arrow thing that everybody goes off of.
00:20:23
Speaker 2: But I'm.
00:20:26
Speaker 1: I think I'm still a believer in like a moderate foc and uh that I'm not gonna go crazy about it. Right, But if you get too heavy of an arrow shaft, it's hard to get a decent FOC because you have so much weight in your arrow shaft. So you have to have a lot of weight up front to affect the percentage, which is not where you want to be.
00:20:49
Speaker 2: Right.
00:20:49
Speaker 1: It's like think about, you know, if you have a cup of water and you want to turn it red, you drop one thing of red food colored in there. If you got a swim pool of water, takes a lot of red food color and turn it red. Right, That's kind of the same situation with FOC. But I'm not gonna dive too deep into that. But I just think that's a really good rawaight, for a lot of critters. As y'all know, I shot too deer this past year too, Is that right?
00:21:19
Speaker 2: Yes?
00:21:19
Speaker 1: Too deer with a lighter arrow set up, and I didn't really.
00:21:24
Speaker 2: Like what happened with either of them. And it wasn't all in the weight of the arrow, But in general, I do think that I would like a little bit heavier than that.
00:21:37
Speaker 3: Well, it was South Dakota and one other one Nebraska, that's right.
00:21:44
Speaker 2: Nebraska actually didn't go that bad. I just.
00:21:48
Speaker 1: I kind of like being able to shoot a deer from whatever direction and feel pretty good about getting all the penetration that I want to get. And Nebraska, I didn't get a lot of great penetration, but I did hit some vital stuff. I almost spawn that deer, but hit just below it and was able.
00:22:04
Speaker 2: To cut autery.
00:22:05
Speaker 1: I it wasn't a bad job, but on a great shot, deer jumped the string a little bit. And that's another thing too. Man, It's like that deer was like thirty five. I think if I remember right, and he jumped the string pretty good on me and I was shooting, I will just be ambiguous to say a very light arrow. So if he can jump string in a very light arrow coming out of one of the faster bows on the market, then what's the use you know, pin gaps? That would be the I guess the number one thing is pin gap would be a big thing. But I still don't think it's that much difference.
00:22:46
Speaker 3: I think I think it could depend on your setup to a little bit. Like if you had a spot on a private chunk that you've hunted before, and you're like, every time I cam able to get a quarter and away shot as this is going away, you know, and you want to shoot a lighter arrow. Then the one thing that you and I get into a lot is like a weird situation on public where we have to shoot a deer that's slightly quartered too, whether it's on the ground coming into a call or something like that, or just like well if he gets broadside with us, he's going to get our wind, so we have to shoot him before he gets there.
00:23:25
Speaker 1: I think it's a big thing. On the ground is a lot of times you're like getting in the way a deer and they're perceiving you. At some point in time, when you're in a tree, you getting the way of the deer. The deer's walks under your tree, and you shoot him quarter away. You just don't get that on them, come to think of it. You know, I've shot a lot of deer on the ground, and I shot all my deer on the ground this year, and the only one that was quartering away was the deer in Kansas, and he was blind on the side of that that I shot him from. Practically the only reason he walked by is because he was blinding that eye. So yeah, I think that's that's an interesting point. I think there's some validity to that. Do you need to go right now? I got a few minutes, OK. Yeah, So you traditionally have really liked to be right around the five hundred weight spot.
00:24:13
Speaker 2: Is that still what you think? Yeah? I think so. I mean, I don't know.
00:24:17
Speaker 3: I would say if you look at my whole archery life, I mean I've taken. I've been a lot lighter than that most most of it. But in the last few years i've been I've been calling it five hundred. I think most of my arrows are right around four ninety seven total arroway its.
00:24:37
Speaker 2: Five hundred with the dust that's on, it's different.
00:24:42
Speaker 3: I can't but the shooting one hundred and twenty five grain head total arroweight right at almost five hundred, and I don't think I really want to be much more than that. I think we had some scent to us, some arrows sent to us, like in January something, and I tuned to bow with them, and they shot pretty well actually, but they are like five fifteen's.
00:25:06
Speaker 1: I think mine are a lot lighter the same. It's because the draw links and different things. Yeah, yeah, I haven't liked them as much.
00:25:13
Speaker 3: I liked them, okay, But I'll tell you what, if they were four ninety seven instead of five point fifteen, I might have an axis buck on the wall right now, if you know what I mean.
00:25:25
Speaker 2: Because it's a quick turnaround with they.
00:25:29
Speaker 3: I'd have them being ready to put on the wall on some point. But yeah, that's uh because there's uh, you know, there's the pin gap thing is an issue in their windows and stuff like that, and brais.
00:25:41
Speaker 2: That's another thing. I was thinking about this.
00:25:46
Speaker 1: With some of my experiences with elk, because pin gap is a huge thing with elk, and uh we hunt white til like yount elklat on the ground, chasing around, you know, that kind of thing. I just I haven't shot a deer at one of those like, oh that tree is at thirty seven, I'm ready to take a thirty seven yard trot when a deer comes by.
00:26:04
Speaker 2: I haven't done that in so long, you know.
00:26:06
Speaker 1: So like there is an aspect, and that's one of the things that one of the reasons I wanted to shoot the lighter bow this past year, and it essentially didn't pay off for me.
00:26:17
Speaker 2: I think I'm better off just ranging in the.
00:26:20
Speaker 1: Moment and making it happen, you know, and just in getting drawn after I get arrange.
00:26:28
Speaker 3: I like I like raing. I like knowing the exact range.
00:26:31
Speaker 1: I would love to, Yeah, I see what you're saying, Like getting the ranging the deer when it's right there.
00:26:35
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:26:36
Speaker 1: I really like situations when there's beat down trails and you can just range and you know what, the rangers.
00:26:45
Speaker 3: In South Dakoat of this year. If you watch that videos on meteor, that buck was on a trail. He was actually heading right under our tree, I'm sure, but there were deer that were getting weird behind this, and I don't know if it's because they smelled us, because our wind was blowing that direction or what. I wasn't able to look back that way. But this deer stood for like five minutes just on alert, and then he goes to run past us. And I knew one of those trails was right at about twenty and that helped me a lot because I'd range that trail earlier in the day and I had my distances, and you have to go through those distances throughout the For me, at least, I'm not like I don't have that kind of memory. So I go through every every twenty minutes, you know, as it's starting to get darker or more, I'm thinking, okay, twenty to that one, thirty six to that one, whatever. And you know, I try to use round round numbers as well, Like if it's thirty six, I just call it thirty five in my mind, so I know, you know, but sometimes you get that twenty eight, which is a weird one or twenty.
00:27:41
Speaker 2: Seven, you know, you know thirty seven or you know whatever.
00:27:45
Speaker 3: But yeah, I usually will think about like what am I going to do with my pens in that situation? If it's thirty seven, then I'll probably be like, Okay, well I'm gonna shoot my thirty you know, dead nuts where I want it, because it's going to end up a little bit low and the deer is probably gonna jump a little bit, so it's probably gonna end up just right. I'll think about stuff like that when I go to shoot. But anyway, that's kind of a I'm diverging a little bit there.
00:28:10
Speaker 2: But the.
00:28:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, the idea is that you know, knowing the distance, h the exact different distance of that deer is pretty handy, and those trails can make that a thing for you sometimes.
00:28:22
Speaker 2: Yeah that Uh, I think about it.
00:28:24
Speaker 1: On the south Da coat of the dear that I killed this year, I was on the ground with that deer, ranged the brush behind him on my first shot and missed. Uh, but I think I missed over. I don't know, I think you did miss over. Yeah, so yeah, that would makes sense. Arranged ranged too far, so I set my pen too far and I missed, missed over him, and then funny enough, I don't think I ranged in the second time. I just saw how high I was and was like, oh, I need to aim lower and a lower and hit him, which was should have been lethal shot.
00:29:00
Speaker 2: We've we've hatched that out quite a bit. Just your broadheads, guys, don't use something. I'm proving and that's kind of hard to do though. Thing.
00:29:08
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, when you're a pitcher, you know, one.
00:29:10
Speaker 1: Of those unspoken things, right, like who does the priest confess to?
00:29:14
Speaker 2: You know?
00:29:16
Speaker 3: I mean, but I had had a friend in high school. One of the coaches yell he was he's a really brilliant guy and kind of a little bit of a rebel, and uh when the coaches yelled at him, he was pitching, and he goes, you gotta have confidence, and he looks at him in the game, he looks over his coach and just in front of everybody, goes, how am I supposed to have confidence? If I don't, if I'm not doing good. It's kind of those things like you need confidence to pitch well, but you also need to pitch well before you have confidence. Chicken before the egg thing. So the Broadhead thing is like you know, yeah, that's why, that's why we try to give this kind of information out that. I mean, you can your stuff will be a little different than ours, probably, but you can at least know when we say this is really bad or this is really good, there's a chance that it.
00:29:57
Speaker 2: Works for you too well.
00:29:58
Speaker 1: Word of mouth is the best advertising, whatever you want to call it. You know, word of mouth is the way to know if something is good or not. I mean this Broadhead might have the best looking commercial ever, but talk to somebody that's used it and see what they think about it, because that's going to be the difference, you know, like think about I don't care about saying good things about people slick tricks, you know, we aren't affiliated with them all the cheap they will kill some stuff, I know killers that have used them for sure, they weren't great, you know, Like but you I don't know, I don't watch out or TV that much, so I don't know what advertising for like that or but I would just assume like an inexpensive, no frills fixed blade is not going to have a lot of marketing behind it, you know.
00:30:50
Speaker 2: So it's like.
00:30:52
Speaker 1: Just talk to people that you know that kill stuff, you know, and see what they use me. I've killed some things, so is Tyler. Most of the stuff we've killed lately has been with expandable three blades.
00:31:07
Speaker 3: Also, you don't have to be radical. Yeah, so if some guy's preaching something radical to you that seems radical, it's not not saying it's not gonna work. But there's most things somewhere in the middle, and moderation of sorts is where a lot of things really make sense.
00:31:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't really think about that this was going to end up in that spot.
00:31:33
Speaker 2: But like, since radical is a little sketchy.
00:31:39
Speaker 1: Sometimes some people might even refer to me as radical at the time or time.
00:31:43
Speaker 2: That's okay.
00:31:45
Speaker 1: But h Tyler, you shot a lot of deer. What are some of the things that you can do two ensures and throat work too to really help success when you shoot a deer.
00:32:04
Speaker 3: I've got this isn't just bow oriented, just like whatever think about bow.
00:32:07
Speaker 1: But like, for instance, mine would be after my experience with shooting you know quite a few deer with a bow. If I can shoot it a deer in less than thirty yards, that's gonna that's gonna up my chances of killing that deer a ton like when you when you start shooting further than thirty yards and I will do it. Okay, don't get me wrong, but you absolutely your chances of success go down.
00:32:31
Speaker 2: I just uh, by the numbers. That's just the way it works.
00:32:33
Speaker 1: If you shoot a sub thirty I'm not saying it's going to work, but like it's a thing.
00:32:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes a huge difference.
00:32:39
Speaker 3: I would agree. I think that people lack focus generally speaking, that people lack focus because of the smartphone. And I think that what people underestimate is your is the mind's ability to kind of preconceive what's gonna happen and and think.
00:33:08
Speaker 2: Through and envision.
00:33:09
Speaker 3: Actually, truly, this is one thing I was trying to tell my son the other day about hitting the baseball, but truly envisioning yourself. For him, it was hitting a sign on this fence, hitting towards a sign, envision the ball landing in the outfield and rolling to the fence in that spot, you know what I mean. And I used to think about it football. I used to envision myself making a play A lot of times. It was like, man, they run this swing pass right here, and when he's got this split. That's how you know he's gonna run it, and you can if you'll take a chance, you'll pick it off and take it for six you know, and then envisioning myself doing that and how fun that would be or whatever. I think that that's the same thing with with with hunting as well as like truly, truly when you set up thinking, this is what I expect this buck to do, and I'm gonna shoot him there when he gets there, and just really like envision mentally what the it's going to look like and what it's going to take to do that, and then focusing on what the things you have to do where you're going to draw on him, and also play the whole thing through your mind and do that. I mean, most of the time when you set up in an evening, you're just like you're bored for the first two hours. You know, there's nothing happening, it's hot, whatever. I mean, think about the scenarios and envision yourself over here or over here if he comes to the base of the tree, what I'm going to do. I mean that South Dakota buck. I thought he's gonna come to the base of the tree, so early in the like when I first got set up, I figured out how I was going to shoot and keep my anchor points, and I was having to hook my foot around a limb, but so I can lean down and keep my anchor points and bend at the waist.
00:34:40
Speaker 2: But to shoot through the hole that I had.
00:34:42
Speaker 3: Because you know how it is on public land, you got to just go with the holes the tree gives you. But anyway, I think that that would be like one of my best tips is just to really truly envision yourself being successful and what that takes to do that. Where you got to draw where the dear is going to be and and when it comes. When it happens, it's not a surprise. You've seen it in your mind before you know the I think that that absolutely is a big deal, and maybe to expand on it, there will be times that the deer does something you could not have predicted, and you need to have the mental fortitude and the wherewithal to just get over that and still make it work.
00:35:26
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't tell you how many times I've been in the woods and I'm like, all the deer are down there, and they're gonna come this direction. And then all of a sudden there's a deer on the other side, and it's like you could either just let that just ruin your day or you can just figure out, I turn to shoot him.
00:35:40
Speaker 3: Problem solving, Yeah, it's a big deal, right it is, And you do it well, man, you just gotta I.
00:35:46
Speaker 1: Don't know, maybe it's so subjective that it's hard to explain people how to get better at problem solving. But put yourself in tough situations and figure out how to get out. It will be the thing that I would say, maybe not life threatening situations all the time, but tough situations.
00:36:01
Speaker 3: I mean, go play a sport, yeah you know what I mean, like constantly having to solve problems in a sport and fast a lot of times.
00:36:08
Speaker 2: You know, remodel a house, there's all. There's plenty of problems you encounter when you do that, for sure, and so like that that's a big thing. I think.
00:36:15
Speaker 1: It's just like, don't plan for everything you can, and when things don't go the way you thought they were going to, don't let it just bum folds of you.
00:36:23
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:36:24
Speaker 1: I think about the same thing with buck fever stuff, Like I don't get buck fever very often usually freak out afterwards. But everyone's all get excited and like make some irrational decisions. But I don't like shake so bad. I can't do things. But one of the things that I think I do differently than a lot of people is a lot of people like to look at the antlers and then like you're like, oh, I can't look at those me. I just like kind of try to push through it. I just like count the points or you know, this is so situational and you don't get to do this for often, but.
00:36:58
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I don't.
00:37:01
Speaker 1: It's almost like you could tarnish your experience by trying to not get too excited. The whole points to go out and do something super exciting and fun, right, So like embrace it, get excited, and just funnel that into like your drive to kill the deer.
00:37:14
Speaker 2: M I don't know if that's good advice, but that's what I do.
00:37:19
Speaker 3: That sounds good to me, and I think it's I think it's the thing. I like being excited. Man, Yeah, for sure.
00:37:23
Speaker 2: Man, Well, hopefully this is an exciting podcast for y'all.
00:37:27
Speaker 1: I know it's I shouldn't say it's hard, but it's it's weird. Getting excited about deer hunting in June, but you know, it's the next thing we get to do. That's a lot of a bunch of fishing between now and the end, and uh, we're constantly thinking about it.
00:37:38
Speaker 2: We're planning and what we're going to do. I didn't draw tech that I really thought I was going to this year.
00:37:44
Speaker 1: So I'm through the sad part of that and I'm onto the Well, this is kind of exciting because now I get to hunt somewhere I didn't think I was going to.
00:37:51
Speaker 3: I just have to figure out where that's at. Well, and you know what's rutting right now the ready years apparently well Access deer. Yeah, and so if you're listening to this on the twentieth of June, there will be a video out today on the media channel where we are hunting Axis with none other than Jannis pitel Us and those Access dere At some point they're always rutting. There's something, there's one that's always rutting. But like the right now is when the rut is kicking overall for that herd. And so I'm kind of wishing I was out there right now. But you know, second best is we get to watch it on video, so that media channel will have a nice video of us and Jannis hunting. There's a big monster buck in it, so you should definitely go watch that couple.
00:38:39
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, there is actually a couple of someone gets real close to one of them.
00:38:42
Speaker 3: Uh huh. So anyway, just go check that out if you're thinking about it. I think it'll come out at eleven Central or noon Central, so just be looking for that on the media channel, and make sure you subscribe to the Element channel YouTube channel if you haven't, and remember this is your Element live in it
