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Speaker 1: Third Hour, Clay and Buck kicks off now. Rob Riggle joins us, actor, comedian, star of the new movie, Jimmy, the untold true.
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Speaker 2: Story of actor Jimmy Stewart's service in World War II as part of the U.S.
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Speaker 1: 8th Air Force and how the It's a Wonderful Life star was saved when he, or rather, the It's a Wonderful Life star saved him when he returned home.
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Speaker 2: Rob, thank you for being with us, man. Appreciate it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, glad to be here.
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Speaker 4: Thanks.
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Speaker 2: Talk about the movie. We've got a lot of things. You were in the Marines. You did cool stuff. You're an actor. I love Step Brothers, by the way.
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Speaker 1: I've been told many times that I look like the Adam Scott character in Step Brothers and have a similar smarmy take at the dinner table sometimes. But, you know, guilty as charged with the stories. Nonetheless, Rob, tell me about the Jimmy Stewart movie.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great biopic about an American hero that, I want a new generation, even my generation, really, to learn the story of Jimmy Stewart. He is a truly rare individual. There are not many like him anymore. There's a few, but not many, who choose service over self. This guy won an Academy Award in 1940, a year before we got into the war, and then still volunteered to go serve and not he didn't take an easy path. He was a pilot. He was a great leader. So he put those skills to work and got into a bomb bomber squadron and eventually worked his way up to a squadron commander and then eventually all the way up to a wing commander. So he he's quite a legend. And he he really did. He walked the walk. And that story is one that needs to be told. And It's been told, but it's in book, but now it's being told in film. And I think the cast for this film was amazing. I think they did a great job. I think the actor, K.J. Apa, who portrays Jimmy, did a fantastic job. You know, award-worthy performance, in my opinion. So hopefully people will go out and see it and learn about a great American hero.
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Speaker 2: Rob, one of the things that stands out to me among many parts of World War II is guys like Jimmy Stewart. I know you're also a sports fan. A lot of the best baseball players went and left and served and baseball basically shut down, right? Ted Williams, if you go back and look, He was the greatest hitter. He took off two or three years to go fight the Nazis. Then he came back and then he had a second Hall of Fame career on the backside. It's really kind of hard to even comprehend the degree to which everybody was all in like this during the World War II era. Uh, can you imagine, um, many of our top actors, many of our top, uh, athletes just dropping everything and saying, Hey, we're going to go fight too, but it happened. And those guys didn't see themselves as being above their duty to the country, which is really pretty remarkable.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's, it is, it's, it is remarkable and it's outstanding. I love it. And I think if I'm not mistaken, Ted Williams also went back to Korea, uh, I think you're right. And did a tour in Korea as well. So he was a Marine aviator. Oh. And I'm proud of him for that. But yeah, it's true. I mean, you know, Pat Tillman comes to mind. You know, here's a guy who had amazing talent, had a lot of money, big contracts, and still chose a time when the country really needed people to step up. He chose to serve. And so, but, you know, we don't see enough of that, but we do see it. So it's not gone. It's not unheard of. But, yeah, I think it takes a special type of person to put all of those advantages and all of that potential on hold and kind of write a blank check with your life to serve your fellow man, to serve your fellow countryman. and your nation and go out there and risk it all. So I think that's why they call them heroes.
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Speaker 2: We're talking to Rob Riggle. Buck and I have been hammering this theme for a long time. You're around our age. In the 1980s, 1990s, it feels like movies were made to appeal to everyone. And then everything kind of started going niche. I'm sure you've seen, we don't need to explain to you, but there haven't been anywhere near as many great comedies made in the last 10, 12 years as prior. What is the overall vibe that you see in Hollywood? How hard was it to get a film like this made? And are you optimistic as you look ahead that we might be able to go back to the past somewhat and start to create the kinds of movies that bring everybody together in theaters again?
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Oh man.
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Speaker 2: That's a big question. I know, but it is, but here's the thing.
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Speaker 3: Like I'm, I'm, I'm with you, you know, I, but I also, the second I start griping, I'm going to sound like that crusty old man. It was like these damn kids, this damn industry and dah, dah, dah, dah. And you know, yeah, I I'm with you. Look, I, I loved, um, you know, the 15, $ 20 million comedy. You could find in the theater almost every other week. There would be a new offering and Sandler and Farrell and go down the list of all these great comedians that were putting out films and they were fun and for whatever reason somehow I think the artistry got stripped out of filmmaking and now it's corporate. You've got non-artists making decisions and it's all about And that's fine. It should be. I mean, it's show business. But I don't know. I feel like you either have to make an independent film or you have to make, you know, a nine-figure Avengers film. And all those medium films, budget-wise, have just kind of evaporated now. Having said that, though, having said that, I am optimistic and I do believe that people in this town are still creating Constantly creating. There's a ton of scripts out there. All we just got to do is get them financed.
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Speaker 1: I was going to say, how does this change? I mean, Paramount is possibly in the moving stage, right? They might be going to a different stage. Clay's talked about that a lot on the show. And there's consolidation going on there or in progress. So maybe there's some movement from the studio side that would open.
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Speaker 2: Up some possibilities.
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Speaker 1: But how do we get back to a place where You know, every other, I mean, look, I was just with my wife over the weekend. I was like, you know, we should watch a movie. Let's see what's out. that has been released in the last year. And we already watched young Washington.
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Speaker 2: So that was off.
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Speaker 1: And I look at this and said, there's, there's just nothing. I remember a time when it was basically three or four good movies a month that you could sit down and you'd say, it may not be the best thing I've ever seen, but I'm going to enjoy this experience three to four movies a month. I think that was the case until right around 2010 ish. And then things started to go downhill. Is there a way to get back there? What would that look like?
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Speaker 3: I pray that there's a way to get back there. And I'm with you. I remember, you know, we used to compete over what weekend we were going to open. You know, like it was, oh, well, you know, you would make your film and then you'd claim a weekend. And then that would be your weekend to open. And you would hope that you weren't competing against another comedy or another, you know, another big movie. And that meant almost every weekend of the year was spoken for. And so... they were making some films and comedies and you could go and, you know, you want to go see a rom-com, you want to see just a straight up comedy, you want to see an action film, you know, some sort of thriller, suspense, like you were all, the offerings were out there. And, and I don't know why the paradigm shattered. I don't know that there's a lot of theories. There's a lot of potential reasons, but it did. And, and I don't know how to get back to it other than I think you need to make those mid-range movies again and get them into the theaters. And then people need to go back to the theater. It's a business model.
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Speaker 2: It's a business.
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Speaker 3: If you don't go, they're not going to make them. And so you got to– if they do put a movie in the theater, go.
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Speaker 2: Just go.
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Speaker 3: Have dinner and a movie. Even if it's not what you want to see, go see it because– They will. They copycat here in Hollywood. You know, if one movie has success, they'll make 10 more just like it.
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Speaker 2: How hard is it to do comedy when you're worried that people might be offended by the comedy that you do? Or even worse than that, your career might end, right? You could get canceled. You've been doing comedy for a long time. I'm sure you've seen a lot of your friends and colleagues over the years of all different backgrounds where somebody makes a joke and it goes viral and, you know, I don't know if you're like us every now and then, like you check to see what's trending and you're just, you see somebody's name that, you know, and you're like, Oh, you know, what did they do now? Does it feel like it's getting better in the comedy set in the comedy world? Or is there still a great deal of trepidation and fear out there in your experience?
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Speaker 3: I think it's getting better. I think it's getting better. Um, and you know, screw fear. Everybody's tired of it. Everybody's tired of living in fear. There's always going to be haters. At this point, if you don't know that, I don't know what to tell you. you know there's gonna there's always going to be a group out there who doesn't like what you're saying or what you're doing or what you look like or what you represent or blah blah blah they can go on and on and on and on there's always going to be a reason to be angry there's always going to be a reason to to uh throw hate.
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Speaker 2: All right, Rob.
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Rob, favorite.
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Speaker 3: You know, I'm tired. I'm tired of living in fear. You know, everybody's got to go out there.
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Speaker 2: We're with you on this.
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Speaker 1: Rob, by the way, guys, go check out the movie that, Rob, it'll be next month. The movie comes out next month. The audience, by the way, you can get a discount. We've got a banner on the screen if you're watching on YouTube. The movie is A Wonderful Life.
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Speaker 5: Sorry.
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Speaker 2: That would be a heck of one to be in. That would be a hell of a– sorry. The movie is Jimmy.
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Speaker 3: That would be great.
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Speaker 1: Which is about Jimmy Stewart. Famous for, of course, It's A Wonderful Life. Um, but I just wanted to get a chance. Cause you know, you're a guy who's done comedy and you got, you got a whole range. What is your favorite comedy, Rob, your favorite action and or like war movie and then favorite movie all time.
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
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Speaker 3: Uh, I'm going to have to, let me pause on the, uh, comedy, uh, war movie. I think black Hawk down was just amazing. Uh, as far as it's realism and, uh, storytelling. I just thought that was an amazing film and favorite movie all time. True romance. I love it. Top to bottom. I love my only character.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And now going back to the comedy, that's just not fair. I mean, there's too many that I, I grew up on Ghostbusters, Meatballs, Caddyshack. I grew up on, you know, Dumb and Dumber. I mean, I can quote all those movies, chapter and verse. I love them all. But I also loved Step Brothers. I loved The Hangover. I loved all those films as well. So comedy is too hard for me to pick one.
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Speaker 2: All right, let me give you this. Let me give you this then. What's the most fun making of a movie that you've ever been a part of? The movie might not have been the best, but ideally they would overlap too. But one that you did and you just said, man, this was so much fun. This is the best group of people. I couldn't believe we got paid to do this.
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Speaker 3: Oh, gosh. Probably Step Brothers, to be honest with you. We improvised so much on that film. Will Ferrell, Adam McKay both come from improv backgrounds. Everybody on the cast was I just felt like we were all in a great mood the whole time we were filming and everybody wanted to play. There was just a ton of, like I said, improvising stuff that you could make a whole nother movie with the stuff they left on the cutting room floor. And it would be, I think, just as good as what made the actual film. So, yeah, that was a true joy. I looked forward to going to set every day. I even wanted to be there when I wasn't filming.
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Speaker 2: That's awesome.
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Speaker 1: Guys, go check out Jimmy, Rob Riggle. Thank you so much for being here. Appreciate you making the time. Come back and hang out anytime.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks, guys. Good to see you. You too. Thank you.
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Speaker 2: Smart, fun, sane commentary. The Clay and Buck Show. Stick around. More is coming up just the way you'd expect it. How about that? Welcome back in, Clay and Buck. Rob Riggle just with us, obviously, has been in a lot of great comedies over the years. And I do think the question of whether comedians are fed up with woke culture is is finally reached the point where regardless of what your politics are, the fact that you could get canceled for a joke is beyond absurd. Buck, I don't think we mentioned it on the program, but I know we talked about it off air. The Portland Trailblazers, the NBA franchise out in Portland, go figure, fired a guy for tweets that I would say were mildly offensive at best from when he was 15 years old.
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Speaker 1: 15 years old why why is it that we all accept that you know if you like stole a car at 15 you're supposed to have a sealed record and you don't have full criminal now people might argue with this but in general 15 you're not unless you do something heinous you're not going to have full criminal culpability and even then a lot of times you want to have full criminal culpability but if you tweeted something naughty you should be you should be ruined as an adult for that that's insane I actually think we should have a societal rule. Whatever you tweet before you're 18 cannot be used against you in a professional context.
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Speaker 2: It's just crazy. You're preaching to the choir on this. And I think anybody out there that has teenagers, kids, or grandkids in that age range, to your point, you could rob a convenience store at 15 years old with a weapon. And that entire incident is expunged from your life history once you turn 18 and Yet we're going to fire a kid because he sends an off color tweet when he was 15. I just think people are fed up with this. And even including Chris Rock, who sat down with The New York Times and compared the modern era that we just came through with the Salem witch trials. Listen.
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Speaker 6: The problem with, you know, quote unquote, wokeness, and don't get me wrong, it is great that marginalized people have a voice. It is great to advocate for anybody that feels marginalized.
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Speaker 2: This is great.
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Speaker 6: But the problem with wokeness is we're in the Old Testament right now. And the Old Testament has no forgiveness. The Old Testament didn't work. So they had to write a remix called the New Testament.
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Speaker 4: Again, it's great.
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Speaker 6: To help those that need help. That is an amazing, you know, we need more of that. The problem is, is when you institutionalize it, you know, that's the, the problem, you know, so my half a joke, the Salem witch hunts, I'm sure, you know, the first three witches they caught were actually witches, but then you open up a witch office and now you got to start lying. Now you got to make up cause you got overhead.
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Speaker 2: It's actually pretty funny. Um, I do think the problem is, Buck, a lot of these people, you know, AOC tried to laugh off woke 1.0. A lot of people still think that was correct. James Tallarico may get elected despite the fact that he was wrong on everything. Texans have to wake up. There's a lot of this where people are still being rewarded for it.
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Speaker 1: Woke 2.0 is just woke 1.0 with a new coat of paint on it.
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Speaker 2: It's the same thing. They haven't changed any of their beliefs or ideas. They just... are a little.
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Speaker 1: Less willing to try to smash your face into a big pile of it on the ground. I mean, they're less aggressive right now, but that's a function of power, not a function of belief change. Trans stuff, all the same stuff. Police stuff, all the same stuff. Cash Patel, the FBI, President Trump, lowest murder rate, you know, certainly in our lifetime, maybe in recorded history in this country, modern history.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back into Clay Enbach. You could say the plot thickens here with the Cornell 7. Now, new situation unfolding here. A Cornell 7 fraternity brother is claiming that he was, in fact, too wasted to consent to sex with the accuser. And that he is, in fact, the real victim. Now, before anyone starts to go where I think a lot of them will on this, which is the usual, oh, yeah, poor guy, a guy, you know, some guys, this is like their dream or whatever it is that we have a there is a very real societal double standard about this stuff. And this then becomes a question, Clay, as to can that be reflected as a matter of law?
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Speaker 2: If so, why?
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Speaker 4: Why?
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Speaker 1: The notion that a man is too drunk to have sex with a woman. I know people are laughing at this in their heads. but that comes from a very similar place to a woman being too drunk to consent. The only way that you'd be able to make this argument, I think, legally would be to say that women bear a. more substantial risk because of the possibility of pregnancy from a, let's say a reckless or an unconsented to sexual act. But the statutes have got to reflect that. And then that brings up a whole bunch of other things as well. On what basis would it be dismissed currently clay that a, one of these guys says I was in fact too drunk to consent. She effectively raped me.
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Speaker 2: Look, If alcohol is going to be used as an excuse for a woman, I don't understand why it can't be used as an excuse for a man, too. And obviously there's physicality that gives a better sense of whether a man could sense that a woman potentially without getting too graphic here on broadcast radio. But I do think if the argument is, remember in this case, she specifically described herself as five out of ten drunk when she arrived at the frat house and began the night of extracurricular activities. Several of the guys say that they were basically blackout drunk. And so they were unable to consent. Now, under New York law, there is a you're not able to use as a argument. I was drunk or I was on drugs. If you voluntarily consented to the consumption of that alcohol or those drugs. And here it appears they all consented to use the alcohol and drugs that they consume during the course of all this encounter. And so I just think this is, Again, remember, why did she file this lawsuit? She's trying to get millions of dollars in damages. That's the impetus behind why this lawsuit was filed. She already has. They had 12 different investigatory hearings on Cornell's campus. What you are seeing now is what I predicted would happen, Buck, which is everybody who's in a position of power at Cornell is now thinking, oh, we have made enemies on the left. the governor, the attorney general, and those people's jobs are in danger. And when your job becomes in danger, usually most people are cowards. They don't do what's right. They do what shifts the blame from them to somewhere else. And so I read the Cornell president's statement, and she is clearly feeling the pressure of potentially losing her job. And I just think they're going to throw these seven boys under the bus. But again, the fact patterns are such that at least one of the frat members can allege that he was the one who was raped by her. I don't think it's very likely that women are going to be charged with rape of men. But this is an abnormal fact pattern. And I do think the.
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Speaker 2: I don't know that this woman is going to benefit as she believes she is as more and more of this evidence comes out.
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Speaker 1: But are we at a place where a woman can say in any state, let's just say, for example, do we have gender specific consent rules de facto or de jure? Do we have this anywhere? Because I do think that that's. something worth exploring there, there is certainly a, a, there's a huge difference, proportional difference between how many women are accused of rape versus how many men, obviously heterosexually homosexual rape, as in like what happens at prison and other places too. That is, you know, a, that, that is a thing that certainly happens and we're all aware of it, but heterosexual female to male rape is very, very, You very rarely hear of any case of that anywhere, but it does raise this question about the situation of drinking and consent on college campuses. I seem to recall, I think there was a case that was written about at my college, Amherst, where a female performed a sexual act on a very drunk man, and he got in trouble somehow. And everyone said, well, hold on a second. So now she didn't... He was really drunk. She wasn't drunk at all. Had nothing to drink. But somehow he's still in trouble because she says that she didn't want to. So there are double standards in reality that exist with this stuff. And I would wonder how they would play this out. What I'm really saying, Clay, is there's a cultural, oh, come on, he didn't really think she raped him.
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Speaker 2: Well, what is the standard? I would also just bring it back to... Think about historically. The reason why men said women don't deserve the right to, for instance, be contracting parties or be able to vote or be able to have ownership of property was because they don't have the mental capacity to have the responsibility.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 2: That is the. 17th, 18th, 19th century argument, certainly way before that too, but in the modern era of somewhat modern era, that was the argument. Isn't it ironic, don't you think, that we've ended up in a situation where the most progressive left-wing female argument is women because of their unique hormonal situations are not responsible for murdering their own children. and women are not responsible for the sexual choices that they make if they later regret those choices. Women are arguing and citing it as the apex of femininity, of feminism itself, that women are not responsible for their own acts, whether it comes to killing kids or engaging in aggressive sexual encounters.
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Speaker 1: There's also a a problem that I think the left runs into here with, they, they tend to think that there is no distinction to be made between men and women on a whole range of things. They pretend, for example, that men don't even have an advantage over women in athletics, as we know, which goes to the whole trend. And we can do the Sophie Cunningham clip, by the way, in a minute, if you want, but they, they do like to pretend that, that there is effectively no difference in, in, uh, physical power, strength, and speed. Certainly, You're told there's no difference, and this goes to what you're saying about accountability and victimhood, no difference in the psychology of men and women related to their gender specifically. Meanwhile, we are told that the laws as it pertains to consent, rape, and sex should be very skewed in favor of women or the defense of women and very harsh on men based on what? If we're all the same, we're all the same, right? This is kind of what I'm getting to. If you don't have a psychological difference by gender, you don't have a physical difference by gender. By the way, I, of course, think that that's not true. You do have differences. But if that is their claim, Clay, on what basis can they say that the consent that women present can be any different than what men present? I think that that's a very fair place to go with the conversation. So I don't think it's as frivolous as some might think that this guy is saying, no, she raped me. Okay, well, what is the basis? What is the basis for her rape allegation? It's not forced. Nobody physically held her down. That has not been as far as I know.
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Speaker 2: The basis of her rape allegation is she didn't get invited to the Halloween party and came to regret the choices that she made. That's correct. I mean, that's what, you know, in Judge Clay's court of law, that would be said openly. Yes, that is true. That is the basis of the allegation. I mean, this also comes back to why statute of limitations matter. The truth of the matter is this. If you are raped, you should immediately go to a hospital and have a rape kit done. Beyond a shadow of a doubt, the instant that it happens and immediately allege your perpetrator, all of those things. She waited weeks. and largely seems to have been motivated by regret over the way her actions followed her on campus and the fact that the boys all talked about the fact that this had occurred. But all of her quotes, I mean, she's like in, you know, and I'm paraphrasing, she's saying back in the medieval era, this kind of thing happened all the time. She did drugs off of the body parts of some of these boys. She snorted drugs off of their genitals. I think it's hard to argue, hey, you know what? She's the real victim here. And again, her motivation in filing this lawsuit was to get millions of dollars in damages. So she is alleging I'm a victim. Give me tons of money. And I think it's hard to argue that when you read and look at all these fact patterns, that she's a victim at all. She made choices. She may not be happy with the choices she made. Go figure. What percentage of 19 and 20 year olds are happy with every decision they made when they were 19 or 20 years old. Pretty low. What percentage of 40-year-olds are happy with every decision we made in a year? Pretty low, probably, right? We're all going to engage in imperfect acts, but that doesn't mean that she's a victim. And so, again, when the entire Democrat Party is predicated on basically everyone who votes Democrat they consider to be a victim, I don't think it's coincidental that we've ended up where we are, but I do think the New York Post story about the guy saying, hey, actually, I was the ones raped is a plot twist that many people probably didn't see coming. Cozier. It's given us some serious upgrades in our home. Beds are comfier, couch cozier, and with fall kicking off. You're going to want the same. Cozy Earth sheets help with overheating. Fabric is cool and smooth, helping you to regulate your body temperature. Then they have the great Bubble Cuddle Blankets. Funny name for a great product. Weight, drape, ultra-plush texture. All fantastic. We all get under this blanket on family nights. Especially as it starts to get a little bit chilly, finally, after a long time of a lot of heat. You can try everything. Completely risk-free. 100-Night Sleep Trial. 10-year warranty, three months to make sure you love these sheets. Go to CozyEarth.com. Use the code CLAY, CozyEarth.com, code C-L-A-Y, for up to 20% off. That's CozyEarth.com, code CLAY. And when they ask where you heard about them at checkout, let them know you heard about it right here. Miss the show while you're on the go? Wind down your day with the Daily Review Podcast. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back in. Clay and Buck closing up shop on the Monday edition of the program. Bunch of you want to weigh in. Let's take some calls to finish off today's program. Appreciate all of you that have been hanging out. Let's see here. Chris in Carrollton, Georgia. Chris, fire away.
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Speaker 7: Hi, guys. I'm very excited to talk to you. I was just going to say, if she can say she was under the influence of drugs, that she took of her own free will and therefore not responsible for her poor decisions, why can't the guys say they were under drugs, they took of their own free will, and so they're not responsible for their poor decisions either?
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Speaker 1: Well, that's exactly what we're talking about. Christine, you're going right into the heart of our discussion from a moment ago. I think that there is no legal basis for one accusation and not the other if the set of facts are what we think they are. So it's essentially you say I raped you, but you actually raped me is what one of these guys is claiming.
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Speaker 2: It's a counterclaim.
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Speaker 6: Yes.
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Speaker 2: So there you go. Matt in Wisconsin has a good question. Matt, fire away.
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Speaker 5: Joke. Hey, what's the legal recourse to these guys if false allegations are brought against them, like in a defamatory type way? And Leticia James, I mean, shouldn't she somehow be liable? I mean, she's got no skin in the game. If there is any kind of payout for these guys, if they do file a defamation suit, New York will pay it out. So what does she care?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for the call. um legally yes if you accuse somebody of committing a crime now here i think you could say it is at least within the realm of responsibility of whether or not they committed that crime and they're certainly at this point public figures based on the amount of coverage that has occurred the defamation standard is very high for public figures um But provably false and malice, right?
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Speaker 1: You have to hit those two things, meaning you know it's definitely not true, and you knew it wasn't true, and you said it anyway. Letitia James is not reaching that level with this, guys.
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Speaker 2: I think that is correct. Louise in Loveland, Colorado.
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Speaker 4: Hi, guys. I listen to you all the time. A while back, Buck said someone with a VCR could probably get $ 1, 000 for it. And I thought he should buy it because I have gone with the wind, which he's never seen, and Fiddler on the Roof, Oklahoma, The Music Man.
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Speaker 2: You still have your VCR. You know who has a ton of VCRs, Buck? Legacy Box. I mean, it's like going back in 1985 when you walk in there. And they do this. They go on eBay. I was talking to the guys because they're constantly needing to get new VCRs. They basically buy almost any VCR they see on eBay.
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Speaker 1: Our callers should sell it to the guys at Legacy Box, really. They'll put it to good use. Yeah, I don't know what you could get for it. $ 1, 000 is a little rich for my blood, but I'm sure there's a good buyer out there for you somewhere.
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Speaker 2: So go check it out. But you still need to see Gone with the Wind. Al in Mississippi. I can't believe you haven't seen that movie. Al, what you got for us?
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Speaker 7: Yes, sir.
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Speaker 8: My question is, how do you protect young men? If you have a son and someone makes an allegation against them and you're dealing with school administrators and school staff who have no investigative experience or skills, how do you protect your children?
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Speaker 4: Amen.
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Speaker 2: That's a great question. I think it's a fantastic question. And, by the way, there's a lot of moms out there and grandmas with boys, too, who have seen the way this Cornell story plays out, and they've been through some of these– investigatory processes on college campuses. Remember, the standard that they have to determine, Buck, is more likely than not, it's not a criminal standard. If you more likely than not committed a sexual assault, you get kicked off a campus. But sometimes you can't even cross-examine the girls who are accusing you. I mean, this is a big issue.
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Speaker 1: It's total kangaroo court stuff on the campuses. Everyone has known that for a long time. And it reminds me of why the Kavanaugh thing was one of the ugliest, The attempt to destroy Kavanaugh so that they could protect abortion, which is what the whole thing was about, was one of the ugliest things I've ever seen in American politics. Kamala Harris was directly involved in it at the highest level, publicly trying to tear him down. Other Democrat senators who were still in office. Clay, that guy was manifestly innocent, and anybody with two brain cells to rub together knew it, but they didn't care. And if they could have gotten Kavanaugh on that stuff, even if they just stopped him from being a Supreme Court justice, it means they could take anybody out Someone that can't prove what year they met you, that doesn't know if they met you, where they met you, or how they met you, says 30 years ago you touched them inappropriately at a party in your hometown.
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Speaker 2: Prove that's not true. Which is why the burden of proof in criminal cases is to prove you did do something. You don't have to prove that you didn't. But sometimes on college campuses, they're flipping that, and you have to prove that you didn't do something. It's broken. Appreciate all of you. We'll be back tomorrow. Same bad time, same bad channel.
Speaker 1: Third Hour, Clay and Buck kicks off now. Rob Riggle joins us, actor, comedian, star of the new movie, Jimmy, the untold true.
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Speaker 2: Story of actor Jimmy Stewart's service in World War II as part of the U.S.
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Speaker 1: 8th Air Force and how the It's a Wonderful Life star was saved when he, or rather, the It's a Wonderful Life star saved him when he returned home.
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Speaker 2: Rob, thank you for being with us, man. Appreciate it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, glad to be here.
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Speaker 4: Thanks.
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Speaker 2: Talk about the movie. We've got a lot of things. You were in the Marines. You did cool stuff. You're an actor. I love Step Brothers, by the way.
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Speaker 1: I've been told many times that I look like the Adam Scott character in Step Brothers and have a similar smarmy take at the dinner table sometimes. But, you know, guilty as charged with the stories. Nonetheless, Rob, tell me about the Jimmy Stewart movie.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great biopic about an American hero that, I want a new generation, even my generation, really, to learn the story of Jimmy Stewart. He is a truly rare individual. There are not many like him anymore. There's a few, but not many, who choose service over self. This guy won an Academy Award in 1940, a year before we got into the war, and then still volunteered to go serve and not he didn't take an easy path. He was a pilot. He was a great leader. So he put those skills to work and got into a bomb bomber squadron and eventually worked his way up to a squadron commander and then eventually all the way up to a wing commander. So he he's quite a legend. And he he really did. He walked the walk. And that story is one that needs to be told. And It's been told, but it's in book, but now it's being told in film. And I think the cast for this film was amazing. I think they did a great job. I think the actor, K.J. Apa, who portrays Jimmy, did a fantastic job. You know, award-worthy performance, in my opinion. So hopefully people will go out and see it and learn about a great American hero.
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Speaker 2: Rob, one of the things that stands out to me among many parts of World War II is guys like Jimmy Stewart. I know you're also a sports fan. A lot of the best baseball players went and left and served and baseball basically shut down, right? Ted Williams, if you go back and look, He was the greatest hitter. He took off two or three years to go fight the Nazis. Then he came back and then he had a second Hall of Fame career on the backside. It's really kind of hard to even comprehend the degree to which everybody was all in like this during the World War II era. Uh, can you imagine, um, many of our top actors, many of our top, uh, athletes just dropping everything and saying, Hey, we're going to go fight too, but it happened. And those guys didn't see themselves as being above their duty to the country, which is really pretty remarkable.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's, it is, it's, it is remarkable and it's outstanding. I love it. And I think if I'm not mistaken, Ted Williams also went back to Korea, uh, I think you're right. And did a tour in Korea as well. So he was a Marine aviator. Oh. And I'm proud of him for that. But yeah, it's true. I mean, you know, Pat Tillman comes to mind. You know, here's a guy who had amazing talent, had a lot of money, big contracts, and still chose a time when the country really needed people to step up. He chose to serve. And so, but, you know, we don't see enough of that, but we do see it. So it's not gone. It's not unheard of. But, yeah, I think it takes a special type of person to put all of those advantages and all of that potential on hold and kind of write a blank check with your life to serve your fellow man, to serve your fellow countryman. and your nation and go out there and risk it all. So I think that's why they call them heroes.
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Speaker 2: We're talking to Rob Riggle. Buck and I have been hammering this theme for a long time. You're around our age. In the 1980s, 1990s, it feels like movies were made to appeal to everyone. And then everything kind of started going niche. I'm sure you've seen, we don't need to explain to you, but there haven't been anywhere near as many great comedies made in the last 10, 12 years as prior. What is the overall vibe that you see in Hollywood? How hard was it to get a film like this made? And are you optimistic as you look ahead that we might be able to go back to the past somewhat and start to create the kinds of movies that bring everybody together in theaters again?
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Oh man.
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Speaker 2: That's a big question. I know, but it is, but here's the thing.
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Speaker 3: Like I'm, I'm, I'm with you, you know, I, but I also, the second I start griping, I'm going to sound like that crusty old man. It was like these damn kids, this damn industry and dah, dah, dah, dah. And you know, yeah, I I'm with you. Look, I, I loved, um, you know, the 15, $ 20 million comedy. You could find in the theater almost every other week. There would be a new offering and Sandler and Farrell and go down the list of all these great comedians that were putting out films and they were fun and for whatever reason somehow I think the artistry got stripped out of filmmaking and now it's corporate. You've got non-artists making decisions and it's all about And that's fine. It should be. I mean, it's show business. But I don't know. I feel like you either have to make an independent film or you have to make, you know, a nine-figure Avengers film. And all those medium films, budget-wise, have just kind of evaporated now. Having said that, though, having said that, I am optimistic and I do believe that people in this town are still creating Constantly creating. There's a ton of scripts out there. All we just got to do is get them financed.
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Speaker 1: I was going to say, how does this change? I mean, Paramount is possibly in the moving stage, right? They might be going to a different stage. Clay's talked about that a lot on the show. And there's consolidation going on there or in progress. So maybe there's some movement from the studio side that would open.
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Speaker 2: Up some possibilities.
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Speaker 1: But how do we get back to a place where You know, every other, I mean, look, I was just with my wife over the weekend. I was like, you know, we should watch a movie. Let's see what's out. that has been released in the last year. And we already watched young Washington.
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Speaker 2: So that was off.
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Speaker 1: And I look at this and said, there's, there's just nothing. I remember a time when it was basically three or four good movies a month that you could sit down and you'd say, it may not be the best thing I've ever seen, but I'm going to enjoy this experience three to four movies a month. I think that was the case until right around 2010 ish. And then things started to go downhill. Is there a way to get back there? What would that look like?
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Speaker 3: I pray that there's a way to get back there. And I'm with you. I remember, you know, we used to compete over what weekend we were going to open. You know, like it was, oh, well, you know, you would make your film and then you'd claim a weekend. And then that would be your weekend to open. And you would hope that you weren't competing against another comedy or another, you know, another big movie. And that meant almost every weekend of the year was spoken for. And so... they were making some films and comedies and you could go and, you know, you want to go see a rom-com, you want to see just a straight up comedy, you want to see an action film, you know, some sort of thriller, suspense, like you were all, the offerings were out there. And, and I don't know why the paradigm shattered. I don't know that there's a lot of theories. There's a lot of potential reasons, but it did. And, and I don't know how to get back to it other than I think you need to make those mid-range movies again and get them into the theaters. And then people need to go back to the theater. It's a business model.
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Speaker 2: It's a business.
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Speaker 3: If you don't go, they're not going to make them. And so you got to– if they do put a movie in the theater, go.
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Speaker 2: Just go.
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Speaker 3: Have dinner and a movie. Even if it's not what you want to see, go see it because– They will. They copycat here in Hollywood. You know, if one movie has success, they'll make 10 more just like it.
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Speaker 2: How hard is it to do comedy when you're worried that people might be offended by the comedy that you do? Or even worse than that, your career might end, right? You could get canceled. You've been doing comedy for a long time. I'm sure you've seen a lot of your friends and colleagues over the years of all different backgrounds where somebody makes a joke and it goes viral and, you know, I don't know if you're like us every now and then, like you check to see what's trending and you're just, you see somebody's name that, you know, and you're like, Oh, you know, what did they do now? Does it feel like it's getting better in the comedy set in the comedy world? Or is there still a great deal of trepidation and fear out there in your experience?
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Speaker 3: I think it's getting better. I think it's getting better. Um, and you know, screw fear. Everybody's tired of it. Everybody's tired of living in fear. There's always going to be haters. At this point, if you don't know that, I don't know what to tell you. you know there's gonna there's always going to be a group out there who doesn't like what you're saying or what you're doing or what you look like or what you represent or blah blah blah they can go on and on and on and on there's always going to be a reason to be angry there's always going to be a reason to to uh throw hate.
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Speaker 2: All right, Rob.
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Rob, favorite.
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Speaker 3: You know, I'm tired. I'm tired of living in fear. You know, everybody's got to go out there.
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Speaker 2: We're with you on this.
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Speaker 1: Rob, by the way, guys, go check out the movie that, Rob, it'll be next month. The movie comes out next month. The audience, by the way, you can get a discount. We've got a banner on the screen if you're watching on YouTube. The movie is A Wonderful Life.
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Speaker 5: Sorry.
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Speaker 2: That would be a heck of one to be in. That would be a hell of a– sorry. The movie is Jimmy.
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Speaker 3: That would be great.
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Speaker 1: Which is about Jimmy Stewart. Famous for, of course, It's A Wonderful Life. Um, but I just wanted to get a chance. Cause you know, you're a guy who's done comedy and you got, you got a whole range. What is your favorite comedy, Rob, your favorite action and or like war movie and then favorite movie all time.
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
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Speaker 3: Uh, I'm going to have to, let me pause on the, uh, comedy, uh, war movie. I think black Hawk down was just amazing. Uh, as far as it's realism and, uh, storytelling. I just thought that was an amazing film and favorite movie all time. True romance. I love it. Top to bottom. I love my only character.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And now going back to the comedy, that's just not fair. I mean, there's too many that I, I grew up on Ghostbusters, Meatballs, Caddyshack. I grew up on, you know, Dumb and Dumber. I mean, I can quote all those movies, chapter and verse. I love them all. But I also loved Step Brothers. I loved The Hangover. I loved all those films as well. So comedy is too hard for me to pick one.
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Speaker 2: All right, let me give you this. Let me give you this then. What's the most fun making of a movie that you've ever been a part of? The movie might not have been the best, but ideally they would overlap too. But one that you did and you just said, man, this was so much fun. This is the best group of people. I couldn't believe we got paid to do this.
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Speaker 3: Oh, gosh. Probably Step Brothers, to be honest with you. We improvised so much on that film. Will Ferrell, Adam McKay both come from improv backgrounds. Everybody on the cast was I just felt like we were all in a great mood the whole time we were filming and everybody wanted to play. There was just a ton of, like I said, improvising stuff that you could make a whole nother movie with the stuff they left on the cutting room floor. And it would be, I think, just as good as what made the actual film. So, yeah, that was a true joy. I looked forward to going to set every day. I even wanted to be there when I wasn't filming.
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Speaker 2: That's awesome.
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Speaker 1: Guys, go check out Jimmy, Rob Riggle. Thank you so much for being here. Appreciate you making the time. Come back and hang out anytime.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks, guys. Good to see you. You too. Thank you.
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Speaker 2: Smart, fun, sane commentary. The Clay and Buck Show. Stick around. More is coming up just the way you'd expect it. How about that? Welcome back in, Clay and Buck. Rob Riggle just with us, obviously, has been in a lot of great comedies over the years. And I do think the question of whether comedians are fed up with woke culture is is finally reached the point where regardless of what your politics are, the fact that you could get canceled for a joke is beyond absurd. Buck, I don't think we mentioned it on the program, but I know we talked about it off air. The Portland Trailblazers, the NBA franchise out in Portland, go figure, fired a guy for tweets that I would say were mildly offensive at best from when he was 15 years old.
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Speaker 1: 15 years old why why is it that we all accept that you know if you like stole a car at 15 you're supposed to have a sealed record and you don't have full criminal now people might argue with this but in general 15 you're not unless you do something heinous you're not going to have full criminal culpability and even then a lot of times you want to have full criminal culpability but if you tweeted something naughty you should be you should be ruined as an adult for that that's insane I actually think we should have a societal rule. Whatever you tweet before you're 18 cannot be used against you in a professional context.
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Speaker 2: It's just crazy. You're preaching to the choir on this. And I think anybody out there that has teenagers, kids, or grandkids in that age range, to your point, you could rob a convenience store at 15 years old with a weapon. And that entire incident is expunged from your life history once you turn 18 and Yet we're going to fire a kid because he sends an off color tweet when he was 15. I just think people are fed up with this. And even including Chris Rock, who sat down with The New York Times and compared the modern era that we just came through with the Salem witch trials. Listen.
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Speaker 6: The problem with, you know, quote unquote, wokeness, and don't get me wrong, it is great that marginalized people have a voice. It is great to advocate for anybody that feels marginalized.
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Speaker 2: This is great.
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Speaker 6: But the problem with wokeness is we're in the Old Testament right now. And the Old Testament has no forgiveness. The Old Testament didn't work. So they had to write a remix called the New Testament.
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Speaker 4: Again, it's great.
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Speaker 6: To help those that need help. That is an amazing, you know, we need more of that. The problem is, is when you institutionalize it, you know, that's the, the problem, you know, so my half a joke, the Salem witch hunts, I'm sure, you know, the first three witches they caught were actually witches, but then you open up a witch office and now you got to start lying. Now you got to make up cause you got overhead.
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Speaker 2: It's actually pretty funny. Um, I do think the problem is, Buck, a lot of these people, you know, AOC tried to laugh off woke 1.0. A lot of people still think that was correct. James Tallarico may get elected despite the fact that he was wrong on everything. Texans have to wake up. There's a lot of this where people are still being rewarded for it.
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Speaker 1: Woke 2.0 is just woke 1.0 with a new coat of paint on it.
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Speaker 2: It's the same thing. They haven't changed any of their beliefs or ideas. They just... are a little.
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Speaker 1: Less willing to try to smash your face into a big pile of it on the ground. I mean, they're less aggressive right now, but that's a function of power, not a function of belief change. Trans stuff, all the same stuff. Police stuff, all the same stuff. Cash Patel, the FBI, President Trump, lowest murder rate, you know, certainly in our lifetime, maybe in recorded history in this country, modern history.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back into Clay Enbach. You could say the plot thickens here with the Cornell 7. Now, new situation unfolding here. A Cornell 7 fraternity brother is claiming that he was, in fact, too wasted to consent to sex with the accuser. And that he is, in fact, the real victim. Now, before anyone starts to go where I think a lot of them will on this, which is the usual, oh, yeah, poor guy, a guy, you know, some guys, this is like their dream or whatever it is that we have a there is a very real societal double standard about this stuff. And this then becomes a question, Clay, as to can that be reflected as a matter of law?
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Speaker 2: If so, why?
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Speaker 4: Why?
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Speaker 1: The notion that a man is too drunk to have sex with a woman. I know people are laughing at this in their heads. but that comes from a very similar place to a woman being too drunk to consent. The only way that you'd be able to make this argument, I think, legally would be to say that women bear a. more substantial risk because of the possibility of pregnancy from a, let's say a reckless or an unconsented to sexual act. But the statutes have got to reflect that. And then that brings up a whole bunch of other things as well. On what basis would it be dismissed currently clay that a, one of these guys says I was in fact too drunk to consent. She effectively raped me.
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Speaker 2: Look, If alcohol is going to be used as an excuse for a woman, I don't understand why it can't be used as an excuse for a man, too. And obviously there's physicality that gives a better sense of whether a man could sense that a woman potentially without getting too graphic here on broadcast radio. But I do think if the argument is, remember in this case, she specifically described herself as five out of ten drunk when she arrived at the frat house and began the night of extracurricular activities. Several of the guys say that they were basically blackout drunk. And so they were unable to consent. Now, under New York law, there is a you're not able to use as a argument. I was drunk or I was on drugs. If you voluntarily consented to the consumption of that alcohol or those drugs. And here it appears they all consented to use the alcohol and drugs that they consume during the course of all this encounter. And so I just think this is, Again, remember, why did she file this lawsuit? She's trying to get millions of dollars in damages. That's the impetus behind why this lawsuit was filed. She already has. They had 12 different investigatory hearings on Cornell's campus. What you are seeing now is what I predicted would happen, Buck, which is everybody who's in a position of power at Cornell is now thinking, oh, we have made enemies on the left. the governor, the attorney general, and those people's jobs are in danger. And when your job becomes in danger, usually most people are cowards. They don't do what's right. They do what shifts the blame from them to somewhere else. And so I read the Cornell president's statement, and she is clearly feeling the pressure of potentially losing her job. And I just think they're going to throw these seven boys under the bus. But again, the fact patterns are such that at least one of the frat members can allege that he was the one who was raped by her. I don't think it's very likely that women are going to be charged with rape of men. But this is an abnormal fact pattern. And I do think the.
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Speaker 2: I don't know that this woman is going to benefit as she believes she is as more and more of this evidence comes out.
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Speaker 1: But are we at a place where a woman can say in any state, let's just say, for example, do we have gender specific consent rules de facto or de jure? Do we have this anywhere? Because I do think that that's. something worth exploring there, there is certainly a, a, there's a huge difference, proportional difference between how many women are accused of rape versus how many men, obviously heterosexually homosexual rape, as in like what happens at prison and other places too. That is, you know, a, that, that is a thing that certainly happens and we're all aware of it, but heterosexual female to male rape is very, very, You very rarely hear of any case of that anywhere, but it does raise this question about the situation of drinking and consent on college campuses. I seem to recall, I think there was a case that was written about at my college, Amherst, where a female performed a sexual act on a very drunk man, and he got in trouble somehow. And everyone said, well, hold on a second. So now she didn't... He was really drunk. She wasn't drunk at all. Had nothing to drink. But somehow he's still in trouble because she says that she didn't want to. So there are double standards in reality that exist with this stuff. And I would wonder how they would play this out. What I'm really saying, Clay, is there's a cultural, oh, come on, he didn't really think she raped him.
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Speaker 2: Well, what is the standard? I would also just bring it back to... Think about historically. The reason why men said women don't deserve the right to, for instance, be contracting parties or be able to vote or be able to have ownership of property was because they don't have the mental capacity to have the responsibility.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 2: That is the. 17th, 18th, 19th century argument, certainly way before that too, but in the modern era of somewhat modern era, that was the argument. Isn't it ironic, don't you think, that we've ended up in a situation where the most progressive left-wing female argument is women because of their unique hormonal situations are not responsible for murdering their own children. and women are not responsible for the sexual choices that they make if they later regret those choices. Women are arguing and citing it as the apex of femininity, of feminism itself, that women are not responsible for their own acts, whether it comes to killing kids or engaging in aggressive sexual encounters.
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Speaker 1: There's also a a problem that I think the left runs into here with, they, they tend to think that there is no distinction to be made between men and women on a whole range of things. They pretend, for example, that men don't even have an advantage over women in athletics, as we know, which goes to the whole trend. And we can do the Sophie Cunningham clip, by the way, in a minute, if you want, but they, they do like to pretend that, that there is effectively no difference in, in, uh, physical power, strength, and speed. Certainly, You're told there's no difference, and this goes to what you're saying about accountability and victimhood, no difference in the psychology of men and women related to their gender specifically. Meanwhile, we are told that the laws as it pertains to consent, rape, and sex should be very skewed in favor of women or the defense of women and very harsh on men based on what? If we're all the same, we're all the same, right? This is kind of what I'm getting to. If you don't have a psychological difference by gender, you don't have a physical difference by gender. By the way, I, of course, think that that's not true. You do have differences. But if that is their claim, Clay, on what basis can they say that the consent that women present can be any different than what men present? I think that that's a very fair place to go with the conversation. So I don't think it's as frivolous as some might think that this guy is saying, no, she raped me. Okay, well, what is the basis? What is the basis for her rape allegation? It's not forced. Nobody physically held her down. That has not been as far as I know.
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Speaker 2: The basis of her rape allegation is she didn't get invited to the Halloween party and came to regret the choices that she made. That's correct. I mean, that's what, you know, in Judge Clay's court of law, that would be said openly. Yes, that is true. That is the basis of the allegation. I mean, this also comes back to why statute of limitations matter. The truth of the matter is this. If you are raped, you should immediately go to a hospital and have a rape kit done. Beyond a shadow of a doubt, the instant that it happens and immediately allege your perpetrator, all of those things. She waited weeks. and largely seems to have been motivated by regret over the way her actions followed her on campus and the fact that the boys all talked about the fact that this had occurred. But all of her quotes, I mean, she's like in, you know, and I'm paraphrasing, she's saying back in the medieval era, this kind of thing happened all the time. She did drugs off of the body parts of some of these boys. She snorted drugs off of their genitals. I think it's hard to argue, hey, you know what? She's the real victim here. And again, her motivation in filing this lawsuit was to get millions of dollars in damages. So she is alleging I'm a victim. Give me tons of money. And I think it's hard to argue that when you read and look at all these fact patterns, that she's a victim at all. She made choices. She may not be happy with the choices she made. Go figure. What percentage of 19 and 20 year olds are happy with every decision they made when they were 19 or 20 years old. Pretty low. What percentage of 40-year-olds are happy with every decision we made in a year? Pretty low, probably, right? We're all going to engage in imperfect acts, but that doesn't mean that she's a victim. And so, again, when the entire Democrat Party is predicated on basically everyone who votes Democrat they consider to be a victim, I don't think it's coincidental that we've ended up where we are, but I do think the New York Post story about the guy saying, hey, actually, I was the ones raped is a plot twist that many people probably didn't see coming. Cozier. It's given us some serious upgrades in our home. Beds are comfier, couch cozier, and with fall kicking off. You're going to want the same. Cozy Earth sheets help with overheating. Fabric is cool and smooth, helping you to regulate your body temperature. Then they have the great Bubble Cuddle Blankets. Funny name for a great product. Weight, drape, ultra-plush texture. All fantastic. We all get under this blanket on family nights. Especially as it starts to get a little bit chilly, finally, after a long time of a lot of heat. You can try everything. Completely risk-free. 100-Night Sleep Trial. 10-year warranty, three months to make sure you love these sheets. Go to CozyEarth.com. Use the code CLAY, CozyEarth.com, code C-L-A-Y, for up to 20% off. That's CozyEarth.com, code CLAY. And when they ask where you heard about them at checkout, let them know you heard about it right here. Miss the show while you're on the go? Wind down your day with the Daily Review Podcast. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back in. Clay and Buck closing up shop on the Monday edition of the program. Bunch of you want to weigh in. Let's take some calls to finish off today's program. Appreciate all of you that have been hanging out. Let's see here. Chris in Carrollton, Georgia. Chris, fire away.
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Speaker 7: Hi, guys. I'm very excited to talk to you. I was just going to say, if she can say she was under the influence of drugs, that she took of her own free will and therefore not responsible for her poor decisions, why can't the guys say they were under drugs, they took of their own free will, and so they're not responsible for their poor decisions either?
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Speaker 1: Well, that's exactly what we're talking about. Christine, you're going right into the heart of our discussion from a moment ago. I think that there is no legal basis for one accusation and not the other if the set of facts are what we think they are. So it's essentially you say I raped you, but you actually raped me is what one of these guys is claiming.
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Speaker 2: It's a counterclaim.
00:32:35
Speaker 6: Yes.
00:32:35
Speaker 2: So there you go. Matt in Wisconsin has a good question. Matt, fire away.
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Speaker 5: Joke. Hey, what's the legal recourse to these guys if false allegations are brought against them, like in a defamatory type way? And Leticia James, I mean, shouldn't she somehow be liable? I mean, she's got no skin in the game. If there is any kind of payout for these guys, if they do file a defamation suit, New York will pay it out. So what does she care?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for the call. um legally yes if you accuse somebody of committing a crime now here i think you could say it is at least within the realm of responsibility of whether or not they committed that crime and they're certainly at this point public figures based on the amount of coverage that has occurred the defamation standard is very high for public figures um But provably false and malice, right?
00:33:31
Speaker 1: You have to hit those two things, meaning you know it's definitely not true, and you knew it wasn't true, and you said it anyway. Letitia James is not reaching that level with this, guys.
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Speaker 2: I think that is correct. Louise in Loveland, Colorado.
00:33:46
Speaker 4: Hi, guys. I listen to you all the time. A while back, Buck said someone with a VCR could probably get $ 1, 000 for it. And I thought he should buy it because I have gone with the wind, which he's never seen, and Fiddler on the Roof, Oklahoma, The Music Man.
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Speaker 2: You still have your VCR. You know who has a ton of VCRs, Buck? Legacy Box. I mean, it's like going back in 1985 when you walk in there. And they do this. They go on eBay. I was talking to the guys because they're constantly needing to get new VCRs. They basically buy almost any VCR they see on eBay.
00:34:25
Speaker 1: Our callers should sell it to the guys at Legacy Box, really. They'll put it to good use. Yeah, I don't know what you could get for it. $ 1, 000 is a little rich for my blood, but I'm sure there's a good buyer out there for you somewhere.
00:34:40
Speaker 2: So go check it out. But you still need to see Gone with the Wind. Al in Mississippi. I can't believe you haven't seen that movie. Al, what you got for us?
00:34:48
Speaker 7: Yes, sir.
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Speaker 8: My question is, how do you protect young men? If you have a son and someone makes an allegation against them and you're dealing with school administrators and school staff who have no investigative experience or skills, how do you protect your children?
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Speaker 4: Amen.
00:35:06
Speaker 2: That's a great question. I think it's a fantastic question. And, by the way, there's a lot of moms out there and grandmas with boys, too, who have seen the way this Cornell story plays out, and they've been through some of these– investigatory processes on college campuses. Remember, the standard that they have to determine, Buck, is more likely than not, it's not a criminal standard. If you more likely than not committed a sexual assault, you get kicked off a campus. But sometimes you can't even cross-examine the girls who are accusing you. I mean, this is a big issue.
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Speaker 1: It's total kangaroo court stuff on the campuses. Everyone has known that for a long time. And it reminds me of why the Kavanaugh thing was one of the ugliest, The attempt to destroy Kavanaugh so that they could protect abortion, which is what the whole thing was about, was one of the ugliest things I've ever seen in American politics. Kamala Harris was directly involved in it at the highest level, publicly trying to tear him down. Other Democrat senators who were still in office. Clay, that guy was manifestly innocent, and anybody with two brain cells to rub together knew it, but they didn't care. And if they could have gotten Kavanaugh on that stuff, even if they just stopped him from being a Supreme Court justice, it means they could take anybody out Someone that can't prove what year they met you, that doesn't know if they met you, where they met you, or how they met you, says 30 years ago you touched them inappropriately at a party in your hometown.
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Speaker 2: Prove that's not true. Which is why the burden of proof in criminal cases is to prove you did do something. You don't have to prove that you didn't. But sometimes on college campuses, they're flipping that, and you have to prove that you didn't do something. It's broken. Appreciate all of you. We'll be back tomorrow. Same bad time, same bad channel.
