1 Conservative vs 20 Liberals (ft. The Split’s Austin Julio Broughton) | Surrounded

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You cannot sit up there and booty clap your cheek
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for Donald Trump.
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Do not interrupt a black trans woman when she's speaking.
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You're anti-black
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and you're queerphobic.
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Queerphobic and you're a raging misogynist.
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You need to unpack.
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Martin Luther King.
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What was he?
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What do you mean what was he?
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He was a Baptist preacher.
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You just don't want to say it.
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Did Joe Biden say he wanted a gay VP or did he say?
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Of the black people,
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he said,
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if you don't vote for me,
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you ain't black.
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Is the Republican Party more pro-free speech,
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or has the left become more willing to police it?
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I'm Paris Rose from Jubilee Media,
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and this is Surrounded,
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where one brave soul faces a room full of disagreers.
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Today we're exploring abortion,
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civil rights,
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and Christianity.
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And if the left cares more about the LGBTQ community.
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Than black Americans.
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I'm here with our future guest,
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conservative Christian and co-host of The Split,
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Austin Julio Broughton.
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Hello,
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welcome in.
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How are you?
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I'm great.
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How are you?
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You know,
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to prepare for this,
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I've wrestled with alligators and I've tussled with whales,
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and I'm here to give each and every one of these liberals political debate hell.
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OK,
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love that.
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Well,
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debaters,
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are you guys ready?
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Alright,
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let's go.
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I'm Austin Julio Broad and I'm a Christian conservative host of Jubilee The Split,
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and today I have a dream.
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Actually,
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no,
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I take it back.
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I am in fact actually surrounded
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by 20 liberals.
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My first surrounding claim
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is that the left cares more about the LGBTQ community than black Americans.
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If you'd like to be the first debater,
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please get to the chair in 321.
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Just myself when I sit down.
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How you doing?
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How you doing,
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brother?
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Pretty good.
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Pretty good.
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What's your name?
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I'm Wayne Ramsey.
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Ramsey,
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Austin,
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nice to meet you.
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Nice to meet you as well.
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Not related to Pharaoh Ramsey,
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are you?
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No,
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I'm not,
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but that is where my grandfather got the name.
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Of course it is.
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Yeah,
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yeah.
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Uh,
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so let me,
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let me,
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before we begin,
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let me identify what it is I'm talking about.
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Get ready to be shocked,
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Internet.
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I am a conservative that believes black people are still owed a
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check from the US federal government because I'm very pro reparations.
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So
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what,
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what,
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um,
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what,
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what I'm talking about is the speed
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and efficiency
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that policy has been used to advocate for
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members of the LGBTQ community.
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I don't want,
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I do not want LGBTQIA citizens' rights slowed down.
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I just want black justice sped up.
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That's what I'm talking about,
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OK.
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So why do we have to juxtapose
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the two
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versus having an intersectional,
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like an intersectional view on I'll tell you why,
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because
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the,
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the thing for me is my black,
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the color of my skin should be enough to be
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seen by the US federal government at every level.
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When you identify as a member of the LGBTQI community,
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you're actually adding an additional
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level of delineation,
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uh,
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or you're becoming a minority within a minority.
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Which
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there's also,
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to be honest with you,
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there's still a white,
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uh,
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power structure within the LGBTQ community which allowed
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that movement to be seen at faster rates,
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um,
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and I think,
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you know,
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the biggest
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piece of evidence I would give to this is HR 40,
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which is the reparations task force proposal
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that the US government still hasn't authorized,
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whereas when Obergerfell,
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the,
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the,
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the Supreme Court case that legalized
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same-sex marriage,
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I think it took about.
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Around 58 years or so,
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fact check me on the left side
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for
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same-sex marriage to be,
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I,
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my,
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my only issue is,
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right,
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I think that
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obviously as someone who
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is a double minority and like you've already mentioned,
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um,
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who has to live the life of both.
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OK,
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I can't take the color of my skin off,
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but I also can't change my sexuality as we already know.
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I don't think it's fair to say that
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one side,
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um,
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being the left,
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pushes for LGTBQ plus representation more or pushes for more advocacy for them,
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when in reality all you see is that in that community are black Americans.
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You can't remove the people that are there that are like me.
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No,
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no,
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no,
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and I'm not,
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let me be clear,
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I'm not.
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I'm not removing it.
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I'm just saying
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look at the rhetoric that the Democratic Party has used for the past 60 years,
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right?
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The Democratic Party and Malcolm X gave us this warning that the most dangerous,
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enemy to the black community is the liberals,
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is in fact the white liberal,
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because they monopolized the Democratic Party
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after 1968.
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The Democratic Party monopolized
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the civil rights fight,
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and he allowed into his cartel only those
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liberals who would agree with him and black,
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and they've been paying for black people for years,
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we're gonna get Joe Biden said if you don't vote for me,
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you ain't black.
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We're gonna get the study.
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And what does he do the day he gets inaugurated?
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He doesn't do anything for black Americans.
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He literally passes a day of recognition
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for trans individuals,
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the,
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um,
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AAPI bill,
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and he puts black people,
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and the Democrats do this all the time.
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They put black Americans at the absolute bottom
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while lying to the black Americans
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to maintain that that large.
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Well,
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we're also a part of that community as well,
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so all those bills and all those things that you just said were done for those people.
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We are one of those people.
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Right,
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so,
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so I,
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I hear you,
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right,
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but what it sounds like is you're trying to say is that you feel like
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sis.
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Straight
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black people are being left out,
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is that what you're more so not,
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not,
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not only heterosexual black people.
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I'm just saying that people that don't even identify,
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you could identify as asexual,
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you could identify as anything.
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What all I'm saying is that the speed
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and efficiency through which the democratic establishment made
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LGBTQI policy on the books
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was vastly faster than anything that had ever happened for black people.
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Black people were set free from slavery in 1863.
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The Voting Rights Act wasn't passed until.
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That's a product of the system though.
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I,
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you can't blame the Democratic Party for that.
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I would say it's a product of the system.
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I can say that they monopolized the message
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and lied to black people.
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I can blame the Democratic Party for that.
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They said we'll give you reparations and they ain't even,
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they haven't even,
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do you know what HR 40 is?
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I do.
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Well,
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to address your claim,
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I do,
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I do think that we are owed reparations as well,
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but I don't think that
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that is a problem in which we can now say,
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oh,
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we feel like we're moving more for this group versus this group.
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OK,
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I'm gonna pause here.
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We've been voted out by the majority.
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That was
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good,
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very thoughtful,
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very good,
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very good.
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If you'd like to be the next debater,
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please get to the chair in 321.
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How are you,
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ma'am?
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What's
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up?
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How are you?
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I'm good.
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We've met before actually.
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We have.
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You look familiar.
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Tampa,
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the
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America tour.
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I was there.
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OK.
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I told you they called the All Stars in here.
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Now I'm nervous.
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All right.
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Hey,
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at least you paid up when you made that claim about Pam Bondi.
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If I lose a bet,
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I'm gonna pay.
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Pam should have released the files.
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Oh,
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good on you for that.
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Um,
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well,
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I think the thing that needs to be addressed first is I think
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that this is more of a culture war grab than anything at all.
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I
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think that the
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Democratic Party itself doesn't have
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a racism problem.
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I don't think that
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the left has a racism problem.
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I think America has a racism problem
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and I think that I'm not talking about racism.
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I'm saying that no,
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no,
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what I'm what I'm saying is that the Democratic Party has
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consistently appealed to the black voting to its black voting block,
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which is making,
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I mean,
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black people voted for Kamala Harris,
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was it 89%,
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88% of black men,
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92% of black women voted for Kamala Harris,
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so
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that black people have been staunch supporters of the Democratic Party for
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decades after 1960s.
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So no,
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there's not a racism problem.
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I'm talking about the speed and efficiency,
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right?
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It's
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not,
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it's the speed and efficiency.
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I'm saying.
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The Democratic Party cares more about immediately addressing
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with speed the needs of the LGBTQIA community as
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opposed to black Americans and I'm going back to
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HR 40,
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which is just a proposed investigation to the effects of slavery,
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the effects of Jim Crow,
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and that has still been sitting in committee to this day.
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I think you could also look at Republican states because I,
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I think that once again this is not a
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like the,
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the issue with not addressing
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black Americans' problems
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and the economic inequalities.
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They face and the other systemic like policing issues that they face
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that is not a problem of the left though you're painting this out to be a
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left thing because quite frankly I think it's just a dig at the LGBTQ community.
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I think that that's the only reason that you're doing this
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is in order to say like
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oh yeah well look at our problems they're
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not getting addressed and that's a conversation that
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we can have but the people that aren't
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having that conversation aren't the ones on the left
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it's the people on the right who aren't willing to have that conversation
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but here's the thing that's I'm not a let me make this clear I'm
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obviously not a conventional conservative because ain't
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no conservative gonna get on here.
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And say that they're pro reparations because the
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establishment doesn't want them to say that,
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but to hell with the political establishment.
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I'm really more of a populist than anything else,
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to be completely honest with you.
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But
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what I'm saying is it's not a jab at the left.
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I'm literally acknowledging a fact.
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I mean,
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if you look at it,
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the 13th Amendment was ratified in December
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isn't your claim
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about politicians
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or
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US government,
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why is it about the left?
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Because it's not
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here's why
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I'll tell you why.
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I'll tell you why.
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I'm really telling black people to wake the hell up
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because
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why are we still supporting a political.
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Party that literally has put the last thing that we need
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on the back burner
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which political party?
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I thought it wasn't about political parties.
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I'm specifically,
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what is the claim is about the left.
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It's about,
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yes,
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OK,
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so then why aren't you saying this about the right then?
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Because Republicans have what Republican has ever advocated for reparations?
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What Republican has ever advocated directly and actually
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what I'll tell you,
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no,
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but I'll say
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no,
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but what I'll say no,
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what I'm saying,
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wait,
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no,
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what I'm no,
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no,
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no,
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no,
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don't do that because
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who Republicans
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actually supported
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the civil rights.
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Bill
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more than Democrats in 1964.
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They supported the Voting Rights Act more than Democrats
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in 1965,
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and those are,
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and when I say more,
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I want to qualify what I'm saying.
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Those none of those bills passed without Republican support.
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None.
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Black Republicans have always been more apathetic
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to the black community as a whole,
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so I'm not gonna,
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I'm not gonna,
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what do you mean what was the reason?
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What was the reason for that?
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I think it's a pretty straightforward.
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What was the reason for what?
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No,
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what was the what were the reason
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that the majority of supporters of the Civil Rights Act were Republican.
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It was because they,
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they didn't mind letting black people stand on their own 2 ft.
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They wanted to they wanted to see.
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You think that the Republicans wanted black people to be equitable to white people?
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Nixon in the 60s?
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Nixon did for sure,
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in the 70s.
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You think that was the consensus amongst Republicans,
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really?
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Yeah,
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are you about to try,
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are you about to try to bring up the Southern strategy and say
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that Republicans and Democrats switched ideologies
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because that's been refuted several times.
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Oh,
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no,
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that's actually not where I was going with that.
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I think what speaks to that more is that there were more Republicans in office.
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So the majority of proponents of the bill are gonna be,
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wait a sec,
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wait a sec,
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hold on.
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Neither the Civil Rights Act of 63 or 64 or the Voting Rights Act of 65,
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neither of those acts passed without bipartisan support from both parties.
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So
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that what I'm saying is that the Republicans acting like
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Republicans are on this high ground for supporting this,
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and they're not.
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It's
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because they were the majority that they were the majority who supported the bill.
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So wait a minute,
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so they didn't have to vote for the passage of the Civil Rights Act,
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but they did.
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I understand that.
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Proves my point.
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I'm not disputing
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that they voted for it or did not vote for it.
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I'm
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disputing the fact that you're saying
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that they were the majority proponents of the bill.
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Well,
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yes,
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because they were the majority in office at the time.
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No,
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no,
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no,
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no,
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I'm not saying that they were the majority proponents of civil rights
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legislation because JFK was the one that proposed civil rights legislation.
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Republicans simply gave damn near unanimous support just like that.
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All and what I'm saying is
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what
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what is so well the fact check will be there.
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What I'm saying is that.
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En masse after the passage of the Civil Rights Act
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when black people began to overwhelmingly support the Democratic Party,
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the Democratic Party told the greatest political lie I've ever seen,
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which is
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we will look into segregation's effects,
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we will look into slavery's lasting effects,
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and we'll give you a reparations task force,
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but the task force I'm talking about HR 40,
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is still sitting under committee review to this day.
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Meanwhile,
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meanwhile,
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meanwhile.
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The entire political establishment,
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but,
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but the OK,
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Republicans aren't saying we'll do this.
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Democrats are saying we will do this and then they're doing this,
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they're walking back.
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I don't like that.
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So would you rather have a feckless
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Democrat
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I'm gonna have to pause here.
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You've been voted out by the majority.
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Thank
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you.
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That was good.
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If you would like to be the next debater,
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please get to that chair in 321.
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Oh,
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no one tried.
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How are you man?
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I saw you on the Officer Tatum one,
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that was
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that was
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interesting.
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So are they good or?
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I'd say 50% and 50%.
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I'll do better.
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Can you quantify what more policies the left has done for LGBTQ?
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Yeah,
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sure.
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So if you look at,
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uh,
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the Obergefell versus Hodges,
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established nationwide
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constitutional recognition
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11 years and 40 days after the first
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state
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to issue marriage licenses.
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Massachusetts started doing that in 2004.
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Uh,
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that when was Virginia versus Love though?
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That was before Obergefell,
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which was interracial marriages.
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So,
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you know,
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the left cared about black people before gay people,
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but
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if we want to talk about just gay marriage there.
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No,
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I'm talking about,
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but again,
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I'm specifically talking about the
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that means that interracial marriage and
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same-sex marriage are two different things.
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That's comparing Africans that like comparing black people to white
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people and making them equal to marry each other,
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rather than it being seen as
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You know,
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as Nick Fuentes put bestiality,
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I wouldn't call same-sex marriage,
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but that's what people on the right I would
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absolutely
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call it unnatural and a sin by 100%.
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So
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I,
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I,
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I'm also one of these
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double minorities that's black and gay and
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I kind of see this as us trying to pin
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each other against when you don't care about either group.
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What do you mean I
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don't care about
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black
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people and you don't care about black people.
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I just sat here and told you I want black people to get a check.
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Besides reparations,
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what's the other black
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populist policies you advocate for?
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Well,
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everything we just discussed I would like to see
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a more egalitarian society crafted between black men and black women where my
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sisters don't have
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66 million?
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What's the policy?
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Wait a minute,
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what do you mean what is the
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policy?
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You asked me what I'm advocating for.
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What is the policy.
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Policy for that.
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I'm telling you.
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Well,
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OK,
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so you want the left to argue for a policy that doesn't
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exist,
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that can't lead to that?
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There's no policy that leads to egalitarianism.
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What are you talking about?
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You just said there's no policy that leads to
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the equitable or egalitarian to see that created.
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How?
575
00:12:54.250 --> 00:12:55.240
If I say I want to see it created,
576
00:12:55.260 --> 00:12:56.360
it means that nothing really exists.
577
00:12:57.210 --> 00:12:58.040
We need to actually,
578
00:12:58.130 --> 00:12:59.240
the Democratic Party in this case,
579
00:12:59.370 --> 00:13:00.050
that's what we're talking about,
580
00:13:00.160 --> 00:13:02.370
they would actually need to show me that they're going to create
581
00:13:02.370 --> 00:13:05.350
and initiate that HR 40 task force to examine the last.
582
00:13:05.490 --> 00:13:07.590
Do you know how much money black people lost from slavery?
583
00:13:08.040 --> 00:13:09.650
$286 billion
584
00:13:09.790 --> 00:13:11.310
free labor was extracted from black folks.
585
00:13:11.490 --> 00:13:12.940
Whether it shouldn't matter whether you're gay,
586
00:13:13.080 --> 00:13:13.260
straight,
587
00:13:13.280 --> 00:13:13.710
and how much do
588
00:13:13.950 --> 00:13:14.280
Republicans talk
589
00:13:16.110 --> 00:13:16.420
about it?
590
00:13:16.820 --> 00:13:17.000
Did I say
591
00:13:17.110 --> 00:13:17.520
what is the claim?
592
00:13:18.020 --> 00:13:18.060
No,
593
00:13:18.110 --> 00:13:18.420
that's true,
594
00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:18.700
that's true.
595
00:13:20.350 --> 00:13:21.070
I don't know,
596
00:13:21.310 --> 00:13:21.700
I agree.
597
00:13:21.950 --> 00:13:23.580
The reason I ask is because the left,
598
00:13:23.830 --> 00:13:25.020
how much does the left talk about that?
599
00:13:25.230 --> 00:13:26.220
How much does the left talk about it?
600
00:13:26.270 --> 00:13:26.560
A lot.
601
00:13:26.910 --> 00:13:27.060
Oh,
602
00:13:27.190 --> 00:13:27.330
OK,
603
00:13:27.390 --> 00:13:28.540
so the Republicans don't talk about it,
604
00:13:28.590 --> 00:13:29.300
but the left does.
605
00:13:29.350 --> 00:13:30.170
But you want to talk about the left
606
00:13:30.580 --> 00:13:32.720
if my claim is the left cares more,
607
00:13:32.990 --> 00:13:34.510
the right don't belong in this
608
00:13:34.710 --> 00:13:34.790
conversation.
609
00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:35.060
OK,
610
00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:35.460
let me show you.
611
00:13:35.730 --> 00:13:36.310
an issue with
612
00:13:36.570 --> 00:13:36.640
that.
613
00:13:36.690 --> 00:13:36.780
OK,
614
00:13:36.850 --> 00:13:38.880
let me show you an issue where the left does care more about black people.
615
00:13:39.020 --> 00:13:39.360
Show me.
616
00:13:39.490 --> 00:13:42.860
Did Joe Biden say he wanted a gay VP or did he say he wanted a black VP?
617
00:13:43.090 --> 00:13:43.350
He said,
618
00:13:43.370 --> 00:13:44.120
if you don't vote for me,
619
00:13:44.150 --> 00:13:44.800
you ain't black.
620
00:13:44.930 --> 00:13:45.040
OK,
621
00:13:45.170 --> 00:13:46.800
that was that the question is racist as
622
00:13:46.980 --> 00:13:47.070
hell.
623
00:13:47.260 --> 00:13:47.330
Wait,
624
00:13:47.500 --> 00:13:47.510
wait,
625
00:13:47.570 --> 00:13:48.370
is racist as
626
00:13:48.530 --> 00:13:48.540
hell.
627
00:13:48.690 --> 00:13:49.560
Can I appeal to the moderator?
628
00:13:49.610 --> 00:13:50.430
Was that the question I asked?
629
00:13:50.450 --> 00:13:51.210
That was not the question.
630
00:13:51.250 --> 00:13:51.470
OK,
631
00:13:51.530 --> 00:13:52.510
can you answer the question?
632
00:13:53.050 --> 00:13:54.000
He said he wanted a woman,
633
00:13:54.090 --> 00:13:54.790
a black woman VP,
634
00:13:54.810 --> 00:13:55.050
but come on,
635
00:13:55.190 --> 00:13:55.200
OK,
636
00:13:55.310 --> 00:13:55.360
OK,
637
00:13:55.490 --> 00:13:55.640
OK,
638
00:13:56.010 --> 00:13:56.200
OK,
639
00:13:56.290 --> 00:13:57.290
now here's the next one.
640
00:13:57.450 --> 00:13:59.280
Did he say he wanted a gay Supreme Court member or
641
00:13:59.280 --> 00:14:01.200
did he say he wanted a black Supreme Court member?
642
00:14:01.610 --> 00:14:02.740
I don't remember what he said.
643
00:14:03.420 --> 00:14:05.730
Katanji Jackson Brown is black guys.
644
00:14:06.120 --> 00:14:06.130
Oh,
645
00:14:06.140 --> 00:14:07.500
you mean the same Katanji Jackson Brown that
646
00:14:07.500 --> 00:14:08.810
couldn't properly identify what a woman is?
647
00:14:08.950 --> 00:14:09.690
The same Katanji Brown,
648
00:14:09.710 --> 00:14:11.100
you call it the DEI hire.
649
00:14:11.190 --> 00:14:11.520
What is a woman?
650
00:14:11.950 --> 00:14:12.140
Um,
651
00:14:12.350 --> 00:14:13.250
in this society,
652
00:14:13.510 --> 00:14:14.570
and what is a woman?
653
00:14:14.910 --> 00:14:16.750
As someone who attributes to feminine values,
654
00:14:16.800 --> 00:14:17.050
but
655
00:14:17.510 --> 00:14:17.820
we,
656
00:14:17.990 --> 00:14:19.020
that's how we describe it.
657
00:14:19.150 --> 00:14:19.710
What is a woman?
658
00:14:20.510 --> 00:14:21.180
I just explained it.
659
00:14:21.230 --> 00:14:22.320
I actually answered your question.
660
00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:22.780
Wait,
661
00:14:22.870 --> 00:14:25.110
are we talking about women or are we talking about black Americans?
662
00:14:25.790 --> 00:14:25.940
OK,
663
00:14:26.030 --> 00:14:26.320
so we're not,
664
00:14:26.350 --> 00:14:27.940
you're moving on because you can't answer my question.
665
00:14:28.110 --> 00:14:28.700
I answered it.
666
00:14:28.790 --> 00:14:28.930
OK,
667
00:14:29.230 --> 00:14:29.540
you did.
668
00:14:29.670 --> 00:14:29.910
I did.
669
00:14:30.770 --> 00:14:31.200
Jackson Brown,
670
00:14:31.250 --> 00:14:34.240
the black American that Joe Biden advocated for while the right
671
00:14:34.370 --> 00:14:35.270
continue to condemn her.
672
00:14:35.590 --> 00:14:35.760
OK,
673
00:14:35.930 --> 00:14:36.160
so
674
00:14:36.770 --> 00:14:37.120
condemn her
675
00:14:37.670 --> 00:14:37.760
for
676
00:14:38.010 --> 00:14:39.050
her DEI hire?
677
00:14:39.610 --> 00:14:40.450
I don't think
678
00:14:40.930 --> 00:14:41.730
you don't know about that one,
679
00:14:41.770 --> 00:14:41.960
right?
680
00:14:42.010 --> 00:14:42.080
No,
681
00:14:42.130 --> 00:14:42.640
I know about that.
682
00:14:42.730 --> 00:14:42.950
I mean,
683
00:14:43.250 --> 00:14:43.920
I don't like,
684
00:14:44.050 --> 00:14:45.400
I don't like any of the rulings she's given so far,
685
00:14:45.490 --> 00:14:45.730
but I mean,
686
00:14:45.810 --> 00:14:46.000
hey,
687
00:14:46.050 --> 00:14:46.310
I mean,
688
00:14:46.380 --> 00:14:47.910
I wouldn't you don't like any of the rulings.
689
00:14:48.330 --> 00:14:48.800
None of the rulings,
690
00:14:48.850 --> 00:14:50.600
even the ones that went with Amy Cary Barrett.
691
00:14:50.690 --> 00:14:51.250
Didn't she vote against,
692
00:14:51.410 --> 00:14:53.490
didn't she vote against extending birth or
693
00:14:53.650 --> 00:14:56.140
didn't she vote against keeping birthright citizenship just to,
694
00:14:56.410 --> 00:14:56.760
um,
695
00:14:56.890 --> 00:14:57.420
people that are
696
00:14:57.730 --> 00:14:58.130
not.
697
00:14:58.750 --> 00:14:58.980
Yeah,
698
00:14:59.190 --> 00:14:59.410
she,
699
00:14:59.590 --> 00:15:00.660
she kept the precedent.
700
00:15:00.750 --> 00:15:01.350
That's good.
701
00:15:01.550 --> 00:15:02.140
That's good.
702
00:15:02.410 --> 00:15:02.830
Because you know
703
00:15:03.750 --> 00:15:04.740
you know what Trump did to,
704
00:15:04.790 --> 00:15:05.070
um,
705
00:15:05.150 --> 00:15:05.460
you know,
706
00:15:05.750 --> 00:15:06.260
black Americans,
707
00:15:06.310 --> 00:15:08.620
he started drawing a delineation between
708
00:15:08.870 --> 00:15:10.450
Haitians and black Americans and Somalis,
709
00:15:10.470 --> 00:15:11.680
and he started condemning those people.
710
00:15:11.980 --> 00:15:11.990
Whoa,
711
00:15:12.270 --> 00:15:12.310
whoa,
712
00:15:12.390 --> 00:15:12.430
whoa,
713
00:15:12.510 --> 00:15:12.550
whoa,
714
00:15:12.670 --> 00:15:12.780
whoa,
715
00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:15.830
do not do that because a black African is not a black American.
716
00:15:16.190 --> 00:15:16.340
OK,
717
00:15:16.430 --> 00:15:18.380
so Africans that come to America aren't black Americans?
718
00:15:18.790 --> 00:15:18.910
No,
719
00:15:19.140 --> 00:15:19.550
if Africans,
720
00:15:19.830 --> 00:15:20.840
Martin Luther King said this,
721
00:15:20.870 --> 00:15:22.140
have you ever read his book Where Do We Go from Here,
722
00:15:22.160 --> 00:15:23.100
published in 1967.
723
00:15:23.270 --> 00:15:24.030
That doesn't answer the question.
724
00:15:24.580 --> 00:15:24.800
You don't,
725
00:15:25.070 --> 00:15:25.100
wait,
726
00:15:25.230 --> 00:15:25.260
wait,
727
00:15:25.350 --> 00:15:25.420
wait,
728
00:15:25.510 --> 00:15:25.750
wait,
729
00:15:25.830 --> 00:15:27.380
Martin Luther King was also a Marxist.
730
00:15:27.560 --> 00:15:28.010
You don't like
731
00:15:29.270 --> 00:15:29.500
he was
732
00:15:29.950 --> 00:15:30.370
he was
733
00:15:30.650 --> 00:15:30.900
he was
734
00:15:31.230 --> 00:15:31.820
why did he say this?
735
00:15:31.910 --> 00:15:34.060
Why did he say this in his where do we go from your speech in 1967?
736
00:15:34.230 --> 00:15:34.770
Why did he say,
737
00:15:34.870 --> 00:15:36.240
don't think you have me in a bind today.
738
00:15:36.310 --> 00:15:37.570
I'm not talking about communism.
739
00:15:37.750 --> 00:15:37.860
Yes,
740
00:15:37.950 --> 00:15:38.370
I read,
741
00:15:38.620 --> 00:15:39.020
I
742
00:15:39.190 --> 00:15:39.460
argue
743
00:15:39.580 --> 00:15:41.620
against Martin Luther King's impersonator or am I gonna argue
744
00:15:41.760 --> 00:15:42.620
against some actual topic?
745
00:15:42.650 --> 00:15:42.660
You
746
00:15:42.790 --> 00:15:43.160
just lied on.
747
00:15:43.350 --> 00:15:44.020
I did not argue.
748
00:15:44.210 --> 00:15:44.800
I did not lie on
749
00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:45.050
him.
750
00:15:45.310 --> 00:15:46.410
What did he say was the greatest threat?
751
00:15:46.430 --> 00:15:46.690
What
752
00:15:47.190 --> 00:15:50.140
did he say was the greatest threat?
753
00:15:50.980 --> 00:15:52.180
Because he just told a blatant lie on
754
00:15:52.290 --> 00:15:52.780
Martin Luther King
755
00:15:52.990 --> 00:15:53.700
that I will not stand
756
00:15:53.910 --> 00:15:54.070
for it.
757
00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:56.070
Martin Luther King said in 1967.
758
00:15:56.720 --> 00:15:57.280
From his speech.
759
00:15:57.470 --> 00:16:00.270
Don't think you have me in a bind today because I'm not talking about communism.
760
00:16:00.430 --> 00:16:00.580
Yes,
761
00:16:00.670 --> 00:16:02.860
I read Communist Manifesto and Das Capital
762
00:16:03.070 --> 00:16:03.980
many years ago,
763
00:16:04.030 --> 00:16:06.470
but I saw that Marx did not follow Hegel enough.
764
00:16:06.590 --> 00:16:07.810
He borrowed his dialectics.
765
00:16:07.910 --> 00:16:09.370
He then he went to uh Hegel
766
00:16:09.510 --> 00:16:12.110
and Marx didn't understand and communism didn't understand.
767
00:16:12.150 --> 00:16:12.770
And he said flat out,
768
00:16:12.790 --> 00:16:13.650
I have to reject that.
769
00:16:13.790 --> 00:16:14.310
Fact check it,
770
00:16:14.350 --> 00:16:14.900
go pull the speech.
771
00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:17.300
So where's the where's the pro-capitalist speech in that?
772
00:16:17.710 --> 00:16:18.660
I'm very pro-capitalist.
773
00:16:18.710 --> 00:16:19.000
I'm not,
774
00:16:19.030 --> 00:16:20.100
I'm not pro-Marxism.
775
00:16:20.190 --> 00:16:22.320
That's why I don't care about whatever you want to go with.
776
00:16:23.340 --> 00:16:25.720
I will not lie on a historical figure that did more for black people.
777
00:16:27.710 --> 00:16:28.500
What he said was,
778
00:16:28.550 --> 00:16:30.030
I have to reject Marx.
779
00:16:30.230 --> 00:16:33.920
The solution to mankind's problem is found neither in the thesis of communism
780
00:16:34.070 --> 00:16:35.860
nor its antithesis of capitalism,
781
00:16:35.890 --> 00:16:36.930
but in a higher synthesis.
782
00:16:37.210 --> 00:16:39.100
A higher synthesis that combines the truths of both.
783
00:16:39.230 --> 00:16:41.790
So you will not call Martin Luther King a Marxist sitting across the table from me.
784
00:16:41.870 --> 00:16:42.350
It's not happening.
785
00:16:42.430 --> 00:16:43.000
I don't care.
786
00:16:43.310 --> 00:16:45.060
I don't really care if you can you admit you lie?
787
00:16:45.110 --> 00:16:45.190
Yeah,
788
00:16:45.350 --> 00:16:45.540
sure.
789
00:16:46.190 --> 00:16:46.940
I didn't lie.
790
00:16:47.030 --> 00:16:47.760
You said he was a Marxist.
791
00:16:47.980 --> 00:16:48.080
He lied.
792
00:16:48.110 --> 00:16:48.750
He inspired a lot.
793
00:16:48.940 --> 00:16:49.980
He got a lot of inspiration.
794
00:16:51.030 --> 00:16:51.320
Thank you.
795
00:16:51.470 --> 00:16:51.740
Thank you.
796
00:16:51.790 --> 00:16:52.180
You're welcome.
797
00:16:52.270 --> 00:16:53.300
Now we can continue the conversation.
798
00:16:53.390 --> 00:16:53.500
OK,
799
00:16:53.550 --> 00:16:54.140
so where are the
800
00:16:54.400 --> 00:16:54.500
Capital
801
00:16:54.600 --> 00:16:54.660
One.
802
00:16:55.190 --> 00:16:55.970
I ain't going for it.
803
00:16:56.270 --> 00:16:56.900
It's not a hero,
804
00:16:57.150 --> 00:16:57.660
it's not your hero.
805
00:16:58.250 --> 00:16:59.230
You don't give a what he
806
00:16:59.710 --> 00:17:00.270
talks about.
807
00:17:00.390 --> 00:17:01.390
You talk about STDs.
808
00:17:02.510 --> 00:17:04.170
You don't care about anything he preaches.
809
00:17:04.619 --> 00:17:04.740
Twin,
810
00:17:05.150 --> 00:17:06.819
I studied Martin Luther King since I was 8 years old.
811
00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:08.940
If anybody at this table cared about Martin Luther King,
812
00:17:08.990 --> 00:17:09.260
it's me,
813
00:17:09.310 --> 00:17:09.920
I promise you.
814
00:17:09.940 --> 00:17:10.980
Did he care about gay Americans?
815
00:17:11.150 --> 00:17:11.910
He didn't speak on them.
816
00:17:12.109 --> 00:17:12.210
Oh,
817
00:17:12.390 --> 00:17:13.359
so you don't think he cared about it?
818
00:17:13.390 --> 00:17:14.650
You don't think the civil rights are
819
00:17:14.829 --> 00:17:15.089
ever.
820
00:17:16.869 --> 00:17:17.260
I don't know,
821
00:17:17.310 --> 00:17:17.920
I don't care about,
822
00:17:17.990 --> 00:17:18.099
no,
823
00:17:18.190 --> 00:17:19.619
I don't care about quotes or figures.
824
00:17:19.660 --> 00:17:19.980
I care about
825
00:17:20.109 --> 00:17:20.160
financial
826
00:17:20.310 --> 00:17:20.780
policies.
827
00:17:20.829 --> 00:17:22.150
So you don't care you don't care about
828
00:17:23.349 --> 00:17:23.980
what debate is this?
829
00:17:24.380 --> 00:17:24.460
Jack,
830
00:17:24.550 --> 00:17:25.020
what are we doing?
831
00:17:25.079 --> 00:17:26.220
You don't care about policies?
832
00:17:26.349 --> 00:17:28.540
I'm telling you we need a policy to give people
833
00:17:28.670 --> 00:17:28.810
a chance.
834
00:17:29.030 --> 00:17:29.620
What's the policy?
835
00:17:29.910 --> 00:17:30.020
Well,
836
00:17:30.250 --> 00:17:30.260
hey,
837
00:17:30.310 --> 00:17:30.660
let's start with,
838
00:17:30.710 --> 00:17:31.580
let's start with,
839
00:17:32.190 --> 00:17:32.850
let's start with that.
840
00:17:33.410 --> 00:17:34.050
Let's start with that.
841
00:17:34.110 --> 00:17:36.220
Let's start with having the Democrats held accountable for the fact
842
00:17:36.220 --> 00:17:38.730
that they've kept HR 40 in committee status for decades.
843
00:17:39.110 --> 00:17:39.580
Let's start with that.
844
00:17:39.770 --> 00:17:40.700
Explain HR 40 to me.
845
00:17:40.800 --> 00:17:41.800
It is a study
846
00:17:41.990 --> 00:17:42.260
that was,
847
00:17:42.280 --> 00:17:43.730
that is to be authorized to,
848
00:17:43.790 --> 00:17:44.090
uh,
849
00:17:44.230 --> 00:17:46.690
study the effects of Jim Crow segregation and slavery,
850
00:17:46.830 --> 00:17:47.600
in short.
851
00:17:47.950 --> 00:17:50.450
So you think that the best move for the Democrats is to
852
00:17:50.450 --> 00:17:53.210
go back to Jim Crow and segregation to revisit those things?
853
00:17:54.710 --> 00:17:56.010
Is that not what he just said,
854
00:17:56.060 --> 00:17:58.100
that the Democrats should go get the committee and get it all through?
855
00:17:58.220 --> 00:17:59.720
That's you think that's the best strategy?
856
00:17:59.740 --> 00:18:00.650
That is not what I said.
857
00:18:00.700 --> 00:18:02.050
I didn't say go back to Jim Crow.
858
00:18:02.100 --> 00:18:03.290
I said study the effects.
859
00:18:03.460 --> 00:18:05.140
And use that to to
860
00:18:05.270 --> 00:18:06.560
to calculate the amount of
861
00:18:06.670 --> 00:18:06.690
money
862
00:18:07.930 --> 00:18:08.740
that's the best thing
863
00:18:09.330 --> 00:18:11.040
that's the best thing that they should do for black Americans?
864
00:18:11.090 --> 00:18:11.990
It's one of the best things,
865
00:18:12.010 --> 00:18:12.840
you damn snippy.
866
00:18:12.890 --> 00:18:13.320
If you're gonna get,
867
00:18:13.410 --> 00:18:13.800
why would you,
868
00:18:13.890 --> 00:18:17.590
why the Democrats have the have have always had historically since the 60s,
869
00:18:17.850 --> 00:18:19.530
more of a black voter base than Republicans.
870
00:18:19.570 --> 00:18:20.050
Is that right or wrong?
871
00:18:20.080 --> 00:18:20.820
Is that right or wrong?
872
00:18:20.930 --> 00:18:21.270
So,
873
00:18:21.370 --> 00:18:22.400
so why are you lying?
874
00:18:22.450 --> 00:18:23.240
So why I'm not lying.
875
00:18:23.290 --> 00:18:23.920
So why not you?
876
00:18:24.000 --> 00:18:24.070
Wait,
877
00:18:24.090 --> 00:18:24.240
let me,
878
00:18:24.260 --> 00:18:24.740
let me finish.
879
00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:27.020
OK,
880
00:18:27.280 --> 00:18:27.910
let's be honest,
881
00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:29.910
I'm the kind of American that believes what's good
882
00:18:29.910 --> 00:18:31.430
for all Americans is good for black Americans.
883
00:18:31.520 --> 00:18:32.480
I don't want a bill
884
00:18:32.600 --> 00:18:33.800
from the Democratic Party that says
885
00:18:34.320 --> 00:18:36.250
specifically 50% African Americans,
886
00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:37.240
you get this,
887
00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:38.380
specifically 40%,
888
00:18:38.520 --> 00:18:39.030
you get this.
889
00:18:39.200 --> 00:18:39.310
Hey,
890
00:18:39.360 --> 00:18:40.310
Jim Crow segregation,
891
00:18:40.390 --> 00:18:42.350
we followed your family tree from this slave owner,
892
00:18:42.520 --> 00:18:43.360
so you get this.
893
00:18:43.480 --> 00:18:45.870
This is a meaningless statement that only exists to
894
00:18:45.870 --> 00:18:47.900
segregate us more and pin us against each other
895
00:18:48.070 --> 00:18:49.180
because you don't care about Americans.
896
00:18:49.200 --> 00:18:49.630
You don't care about.
897
00:18:49.790 --> 00:18:50.060
Black community,
898
00:18:50.310 --> 00:18:51.490
you don't care about gay people.
899
00:18:51.590 --> 00:18:52.410
You care about
900
00:18:52.630 --> 00:18:54.090
whatever your insane
901
00:18:54.230 --> 00:18:57.380
quoting rhetoric is that doesn't matter to people at large.
902
00:18:57.590 --> 00:18:59.390
Black people don't want to be singled out by
903
00:18:59.570 --> 00:18:59.860
don't matter.
904
00:19:00.190 --> 00:19:02.420
Were black people not singled out in this for 244 years.
905
00:19:05.160 --> 00:19:08.430
We're gonna have to pause.
906
00:19:08.610 --> 00:19:09.100
We have to pause.
907
00:19:09.190 --> 00:19:10.260
You've been voted out by the majority.
908
00:19:10.390 --> 00:19:11.010
Thank you so much.
909
00:19:11.150 --> 00:19:12.220
I love being singled out.
910
00:19:13.920 --> 00:19:13.960
Woo,
911
00:19:14.340 --> 00:19:15.770
if you would like to be the next debater,
912
00:19:15.900 --> 00:19:19.330
please get to the chair in 321.
913
00:19:24.730 --> 00:19:24.880
I,
914
00:19:25.290 --> 00:19:26.050
I have been
915
00:19:26.290 --> 00:19:29.200
dying to debate you because you've had a lot to say about trans women in sports,
916
00:19:29.250 --> 00:19:31.730
so I hope one day you and I can have that conversation.
917
00:19:31.930 --> 00:19:33.990
But specifically to this,
918
00:19:34.340 --> 00:19:34.600
um,
919
00:19:34.730 --> 00:19:36.270
my first question to you is,
920
00:19:36.730 --> 00:19:40.160
who on the left are we really talking about because I'm black and I'm trans,
921
00:19:40.290 --> 00:19:42.540
so I am a part of the LGBTQ plus community.
922
00:19:42.810 --> 00:19:44.800
And as much as I hate to admit it,
923
00:19:44.890 --> 00:19:46.630
I agree with a lot that you said,
924
00:19:46.890 --> 00:19:48.550
especially about the structural hierarchy,
925
00:19:48.930 --> 00:19:49.710
especially about how
926
00:19:49.850 --> 00:19:51.470
LGBTQ plus people are treated,
927
00:19:51.640 --> 00:19:52.940
especially within the black community,
928
00:19:53.240 --> 00:19:55.190
because I think there's a hierarchy within the black community.
929
00:19:55.240 --> 00:19:57.000
You as a black cis person sit in a higher
930
00:19:57.000 --> 00:19:59.300
place of privilege than I as a black trans person.
931
00:19:59.540 --> 00:20:02.130
Now that doesn't mean that you don't have your
932
00:20:02.600 --> 00:20:04.630
issues with the system and whatnot like that.
933
00:20:04.660 --> 00:20:05.420
And so
934
00:20:05.970 --> 00:20:06.990
tell me first of all,
935
00:20:07.080 --> 00:20:09.390
who on the left are we talking about because we have socialists,
936
00:20:09.560 --> 00:20:11.070
we have um establishment.
937
00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:11.310
OK,
938
00:20:11.360 --> 00:20:12.230
that's a that's a good point.
939
00:20:12.840 --> 00:20:13.740
I'm talking about
940
00:20:13.880 --> 00:20:15.430
the the democratic establishment.
941
00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:16.690
What I mean is the current,
942
00:20:16.920 --> 00:20:16.940
well,
943
00:20:16.990 --> 00:20:19.580
let's just take for example the current congressional classes going on the,
944
00:20:19.670 --> 00:20:19.820
you know,
945
00:20:19.910 --> 00:20:22.020
well not current but the congressional classes so everybody that's been
946
00:20:22.020 --> 00:20:23.700
in Congress for the past we can just say 40,
947
00:20:23.750 --> 00:20:24.220
50 years,
948
00:20:24.280 --> 00:20:25.130
just narrow it to that.
949
00:20:25.340 --> 00:20:28.250
Anyone that occupies a seat that identifies as a Democrat because you're right,
950
00:20:28.470 --> 00:20:29.260
Republicans have a coalition.
951
00:20:29.280 --> 00:20:29.460
I'm,
952
00:20:29.510 --> 00:20:30.290
I'm still would be
953
00:20:30.430 --> 00:20:31.040
a part of the coalition,
954
00:20:31.110 --> 00:20:31.220
you know,
955
00:20:31.350 --> 00:20:32.660
Republican coalition even though I do lean
956
00:20:32.660 --> 00:20:33.980
into Christian populism more than anything.
957
00:20:34.470 --> 00:20:35.540
So and again like I said,
958
00:20:35.590 --> 00:20:37.890
I'm just talking about the speed and efficiency at which
959
00:20:38.310 --> 00:20:38.770
issues
960
00:20:38.970 --> 00:20:40.490
that people within your community,
961
00:20:40.670 --> 00:20:40.850
uh,
962
00:20:40.990 --> 00:20:41.550
they get addressed.
963
00:20:41.820 --> 00:20:42.050
Like that,
964
00:20:42.140 --> 00:20:42.450
like I said,
965
00:20:42.610 --> 00:20:44.850
it took 55 years or 58 years in total from
966
00:20:44.850 --> 00:20:47.840
the first documented struggle of the LGBTQIA community in this country
967
00:20:47.990 --> 00:20:50.560
to y'all having same-sex marriage legalized and now we have,
968
00:20:50.660 --> 00:20:50.810
I mean,
969
00:20:50.900 --> 00:20:52.440
there's controversy around that because I know
970
00:20:52.660 --> 00:20:54.420
Ennis Cantor and I forget Royce White,
971
00:20:54.500 --> 00:20:54.920
they just
972
00:20:55.060 --> 00:20:56.730
declared for don't get me started on that.
973
00:20:56.940 --> 00:20:57.040
Right,
974
00:20:57.060 --> 00:20:57.070
but,
975
00:20:57.140 --> 00:20:58.120
but you see what I'm saying?
976
00:20:58.140 --> 00:20:58.640
And that's,
977
00:20:58.660 --> 00:20:59.840
that's crazy to me because
978
00:20:59.940 --> 00:21:04.260
the reason they're able to do that is because the WNBA has a loose definition
979
00:21:04.380 --> 00:21:05.270
of what a woman actually is.
980
00:21:05.300 --> 00:21:06.800
I disagree with that because
981
00:21:06.900 --> 00:21:07.420
let's let's
982
00:21:07.670 --> 00:21:09.300
If we even want to talk about the WNBA,
983
00:21:09.380 --> 00:21:11.530
let's talk about the pay gap of the WNBA.
984
00:21:12.070 --> 00:21:16.300
The NBA players make $11.7 million more than the WNBA players.
985
00:21:16.510 --> 00:21:16.820
People,
986
00:21:17.150 --> 00:21:19.340
people did not start really caring about the WNBA until
987
00:21:19.340 --> 00:21:21.380
they start talking about trans people playing in sports,
988
00:21:21.550 --> 00:21:22.580
especially trans women.
989
00:21:22.910 --> 00:21:23.710
They weren't talking about,
990
00:21:23.750 --> 00:21:23.980
hold on,
991
00:21:24.050 --> 00:21:24.360
hold on,
992
00:21:24.390 --> 00:21:24.450
no,
993
00:21:24.510 --> 00:21:25.170
don't you know that.
994
00:21:25.190 --> 00:21:27.020
Do not interrupt a black trans.
995
00:21:27.210 --> 00:21:27.640
Woman,
996
00:21:27.790 --> 00:21:28.750
when she's speaking,
997
00:21:29.130 --> 00:21:32.680
do not erupt a black trans woman when she's speaking because here's the thing,
998
00:21:32.810 --> 00:21:34.250
when Brittney Griner was arrested,
999
00:21:34.330 --> 00:21:37.190
I think that may have gotten more attention or whatnot.
1000
00:21:37.330 --> 00:21:38.730
Brittney Griner,
1001
00:21:38.810 --> 00:21:39.400
excuse me.
1002
00:21:39.570 --> 00:21:39.790
Yeah,
1003
00:21:39.930 --> 00:21:40.750
and so
1004
00:21:41.050 --> 00:21:41.960
I think it's
1005
00:21:42.810 --> 00:21:44.560
But we ain't gonna shit on the WNBA because I'm a fan.
1006
00:21:44.620 --> 00:21:45.560
I'm a fan of the WNBA.
1007
00:21:46.680 --> 00:21:46.780
And
1008
00:21:47.030 --> 00:21:47.050
again,
1009
00:21:47.170 --> 00:21:48.920
my twin sister plays basketball and coaches,
1010
00:21:48.990 --> 00:21:50.110
so we're not doing that.
1011
00:21:50.250 --> 00:21:50.400
Like,
1012
00:21:50.690 --> 00:21:51.680
and the pay gap exists.
1013
00:21:51.730 --> 00:21:51.990
I'm just,
1014
00:21:52.010 --> 00:21:52.800
I'm not gonna lie,
1015
00:21:52.970 --> 00:21:55.720
the WNBA is not quite as entertaining as the NBA because,
1016
00:21:55.850 --> 00:21:57.720
and that's only based around the fact that most of the women.
1017
00:21:57.890 --> 00:21:58.480
They can't dunk.
1018
00:21:58.540 --> 00:22:01.840
So you got to really be a true fan of the game of basketball to appreciate the WNBA.
1019
00:22:01.960 --> 00:22:02.240
But
1020
00:22:03.850 --> 00:22:04.840
the thing with Royce White,
1021
00:22:04.930 --> 00:22:06.460
I find it so ironic that,
1022
00:22:06.530 --> 00:22:06.840
first of all,
1023
00:22:06.890 --> 00:22:09.200
he's a 3-time politician loser,
1024
00:22:10.010 --> 00:22:10.760
#1.
1025
00:22:10.940 --> 00:22:11.490
Number 2,
1026
00:22:11.610 --> 00:22:12.590
on top of that,
1027
00:22:14.160 --> 00:22:16.590
He's demeaning black trans women and this is what
1028
00:22:16.590 --> 00:22:19.260
really bothers me and this is what really irks me
1029
00:22:19.630 --> 00:22:21.990
because typically the conversation around trans people playing
1030
00:22:21.990 --> 00:22:23.900
in sports has been white trans people.
1031
00:22:24.280 --> 00:22:24.990
Leah Thomas,
1032
00:22:25.280 --> 00:22:26.170
white trans woman.
1033
00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:28.660
So for me as a black trans person,
1034
00:22:29.150 --> 00:22:32.590
my community being brought in to something that we really didn't have
1035
00:22:32.590 --> 00:22:35.680
anything to do with is what's really harmful to the narrative.
1036
00:22:35.920 --> 00:22:36.540
And
1037
00:22:37.190 --> 00:22:37.910
here's the thing.
1038
00:22:39.600 --> 00:22:40.180
We have a lot of,
1039
00:22:40.320 --> 00:22:40.510
could you,
1040
00:22:40.560 --> 00:22:40.980
would you,
1041
00:22:41.160 --> 00:22:44.940
would you agree that we have a lot of work to do in the black community as a whole,
1042
00:22:45.040 --> 00:22:47.230
as far as being able to uplift each other?
1043
00:22:47.520 --> 00:22:47.630
Yeah,
1044
00:22:47.760 --> 00:22:48.390
I mean 100%.
1045
00:22:48.440 --> 00:22:49.510
I think black people were more,
1046
00:22:49.600 --> 00:22:50.950
we were most connected,
1047
00:22:50.970 --> 00:22:52.110
and this is a terrible thing to say,
1048
00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:53.020
but it's the actual truth.
1049
00:22:53.160 --> 00:22:55.030
We were the most tightly knit when we were
1050
00:22:55.030 --> 00:22:57.080
segregated and when the more free that we got,
1051
00:22:57.200 --> 00:22:58.030
the more we left.
1052
00:22:58.160 --> 00:22:58.310
I mean,
1053
00:22:58.360 --> 00:22:59.220
you just look at the numbers,
1054
00:22:59.360 --> 00:23:01.780
the more That we escaped from Jim Crow when we combated it,
1055
00:23:01.800 --> 00:23:05.150
we started to see a very huge amount of disunity within the black nuclear family,
1056
00:23:05.320 --> 00:23:06.710
within the black communities in general.
1057
00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:07.430
The black dollar,
1058
00:23:07.480 --> 00:23:07.790
for example,
1059
00:23:07.880 --> 00:23:08.440
only circulates,
1060
00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:08.640
I think,
1061
00:23:08.680 --> 00:23:10.430
1.5 times at most within the black community.
1062
00:23:10.520 --> 00:23:11.920
I think that's just flat out crazy.
1063
00:23:12.080 --> 00:23:13.560
I think that we need to
1064
00:23:13.700 --> 00:23:14.530
re-strengthen
1065
00:23:14.710 --> 00:23:15.540
the core,
1066
00:23:15.730 --> 00:23:15.990
which is,
1067
00:23:16.040 --> 00:23:17.170
and of course we're gonna disagree,
1068
00:23:17.200 --> 00:23:18.790
but I think we need to strengthen the nuclear family.
1069
00:23:18.840 --> 00:23:20.110
I think we need to move into.
1070
00:23:20.720 --> 00:23:20.870
You know,
1071
00:23:20.920 --> 00:23:22.360
re-promoting multi-generational families,
1072
00:23:22.400 --> 00:23:24.160
the same as our Hispanic brothers and sisters do,
1073
00:23:24.280 --> 00:23:24.780
same as our
1074
00:23:25.120 --> 00:23:26.120
Asian brothers and sisters do,
1075
00:23:26.280 --> 00:23:27.060
White Americans do.
1076
00:23:27.240 --> 00:23:29.510
We have a we have a family crisis in the black community.
1077
00:23:29.760 --> 00:23:30.710
We don't treat each other like family.
1078
00:23:30.760 --> 00:23:31.830
I argue that
1079
00:23:32.040 --> 00:23:33.030
families are growing.
1080
00:23:33.160 --> 00:23:34.710
There are many different types of families,
1081
00:23:34.800 --> 00:23:35.450
you know what I mean?
1082
00:23:35.480 --> 00:23:37.140
And so we have to be willing to
1083
00:23:37.320 --> 00:23:39.470
be open to all for the most part.
1084
00:23:39.760 --> 00:23:40.390
Um.
1085
00:23:41.690 --> 00:23:42.790
I think
1086
00:23:43.650 --> 00:23:46.480
it is very challenging to have to admit this out loud,
1087
00:23:46.730 --> 00:23:49.030
but white supremacy is what's keeping us apart
1088
00:23:49.230 --> 00:23:51.070
because you've become the black conservative
1089
00:23:51.450 --> 00:23:52.760
and I am the black liberal.
1090
00:23:52.810 --> 00:23:53.480
And here's the thing,
1091
00:23:53.650 --> 00:23:53.730
no,
1092
00:23:53.930 --> 00:23:54.000
no,
1093
00:23:54.290 --> 00:23:55.220
I'm bringing it up for a point.
1094
00:23:55.290 --> 00:23:56.400
I need you to listen to me.
1095
00:23:56.610 --> 00:23:57.630
I need you to actually listen
1096
00:23:58.330 --> 00:24:01.080
because I've listened to a lot of the things that you've said,
1097
00:24:01.290 --> 00:24:03.040
especially about trans people playing in sports,
1098
00:24:03.090 --> 00:24:06.040
and they do affect me because this is something that's big in my platform.
1099
00:24:06.530 --> 00:24:07.310
And so for me,
1100
00:24:07.330 --> 00:24:09.550
when I see when I when I see the typical black
1101
00:24:10.210 --> 00:24:11.060
conservative.
1102
00:24:11.610 --> 00:24:12.800
All I think about is,
1103
00:24:12.830 --> 00:24:13.310
hmm,
1104
00:24:13.410 --> 00:24:14.790
they know how to grift us.
1105
00:24:15.290 --> 00:24:16.390
They know how to pull us.
1106
00:24:16.410 --> 00:24:18.190
They know how to pull us and they know how to
1107
00:24:18.370 --> 00:24:18.910
have you been,
1108
00:24:19.010 --> 00:24:19.110
well,
1109
00:24:19.130 --> 00:24:19.600
let me ask you,
1110
00:24:19.690 --> 00:24:20.750
have you benefited
1111
00:24:21.010 --> 00:24:22.600
from being a black conservative?
1112
00:24:22.650 --> 00:24:24.000
Have you benefited from it?
1113
00:24:24.200 --> 00:24:25.280
Because let me tell you something,
1114
00:24:25.370 --> 00:24:26.660
I saw that video
1115
00:24:27.090 --> 00:24:30.350
of you and the Nazi and how you were yelling and screaming.
1116
00:24:30.370 --> 00:24:31.190
I saw that video.
1117
00:24:31.410 --> 00:24:32.630
I don't think you deserve that,
1118
00:24:32.810 --> 00:24:36.380
but I found it so interesting that your white co-host sat there
1119
00:24:36.770 --> 00:24:37.360
while you were being.
1120
00:24:37.550 --> 00:24:38.200
Disrespected
1121
00:24:39.110 --> 00:24:39.860
and I'm gonna say
1122
00:24:41.190 --> 00:24:41.200
from
1123
00:24:41.350 --> 00:24:42.260
what I can see,
1124
00:24:42.650 --> 00:24:43.500
from what I can see,
1125
00:24:43.600 --> 00:24:43.660
OK,
1126
00:24:43.830 --> 00:24:44.500
you didn't see everything.
1127
00:24:44.630 --> 00:24:45.060
Here's the thing,
1128
00:24:45.310 --> 00:24:45.800
but here's the thing,
1129
00:24:47.790 --> 00:24:48.930
don't talk over each other.
1130
00:24:49.070 --> 00:24:49.930
I'm making a point.
1131
00:24:50.030 --> 00:24:51.060
I'm just only making a point.
1132
00:24:51.150 --> 00:24:52.520
I will let you clear the air.
1133
00:24:53.750 --> 00:24:54.900
I will let you clear the air.
1134
00:24:54.990 --> 00:24:56.170
I'm making a point here
1135
00:24:56.370 --> 00:24:57.540
from the footage that I saw.
1136
00:24:57.670 --> 00:25:00.740
Now I'm not saying that he may not have done anything because I don't know about that,
1137
00:25:00.790 --> 00:25:03.210
but from the footage that we saw on the internet.
1138
00:25:03.890 --> 00:25:04.370
Or whatnot.
1139
00:25:04.410 --> 00:25:05.720
It looks like he was sitting there and that
1140
00:25:05.720 --> 00:25:08.050
was the thing about some of these white liberals
1141
00:25:08.490 --> 00:25:09.850
who don't always step up.
1142
00:25:09.930 --> 00:25:12.240
Now the thing is with white liberals and black conservatives,
1143
00:25:14.130 --> 00:25:14.320
OK,
1144
00:25:14.450 --> 00:25:14.750
OK,
1145
00:25:14.970 --> 00:25:15.480
but with these,
1146
00:25:15.610 --> 00:25:17.680
with white liberals and black conservatives,
1147
00:25:17.890 --> 00:25:19.790
that's a very interesting take
1148
00:25:20.330 --> 00:25:20.990
because
1149
00:25:21.530 --> 00:25:24.070
we advocate for certain things around blackness
1150
00:25:24.210 --> 00:25:25.860
and how we don't want whiteness
1151
00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:27.840
to come in and control us.
1152
00:25:27.930 --> 00:25:29.620
But then when you have white liberals who are
1153
00:25:29.790 --> 00:25:33.300
on my side who care more about my rights than you as a black conservative
1154
00:25:33.500 --> 00:25:35.170
come in and defend me,
1155
00:25:35.470 --> 00:25:36.380
then it's like a problem.
1156
00:25:36.440 --> 00:25:38.300
It's like a topsy-turvy thing because I don't know if
1157
00:25:38.300 --> 00:25:40.540
I should feel sorry for you as a black person
1158
00:25:40.790 --> 00:25:44.900
or should I step away from you because black conservatives typically attract
1159
00:25:45.150 --> 00:25:47.280
this type of behavior from Nazis.
1160
00:25:47.430 --> 00:25:48.050
When you
1161
00:25:48.220 --> 00:25:50.970
spew rhetoric that is harmful,
1162
00:25:51.270 --> 00:25:52.630
that is all I'm saying.
1163
00:25:52.950 --> 00:25:53.920
Please go ahead and make your point.
1164
00:25:53.990 --> 00:25:54.460
I'm listening.
1165
00:25:54.640 --> 00:25:54.880
One,
1166
00:25:55.350 --> 00:25:55.440
David.
1167
00:25:56.010 --> 00:25:58.360
was only sitting back watching me yell at Jake Lang because
1168
00:25:58.360 --> 00:26:00.720
he just cooked his Nazi ass at a debate 5 minutes.
1169
00:26:00.770 --> 00:26:01.740
I was there.
1170
00:26:02.030 --> 00:26:04.520
Someone sit people sitting here were there at that debate,
1171
00:26:04.610 --> 00:26:05.870
so you ain't gonna come at my co-host like that.
1172
00:26:05.890 --> 00:26:06.640
I'm not going for that.
1173
00:26:07.010 --> 00:26:08.360
I could come at whoever I want to.
1174
00:26:08.450 --> 00:26:09.750
I could say whatever I was there.
1175
00:26:10.690 --> 00:26:12.000
I can say whatever I want.
1176
00:26:12.570 --> 00:26:13.080
But don't talk,
1177
00:26:13.170 --> 00:26:13.790
but respectfully,
1178
00:26:13.810 --> 00:26:16.480
do not talk to me like that because I'm coming for whoever I want to.
1179
00:26:16.510 --> 00:26:16.640
That's cool,
1180
00:26:16.730 --> 00:26:17.870
but you just told a lie though,
1181
00:26:17.890 --> 00:26:18.300
and I
1182
00:26:18.520 --> 00:26:18.530
got
1183
00:26:18.690 --> 00:26:19.160
my pocket.
1184
00:26:19.610 --> 00:26:20.770
I literally just told you,
1185
00:26:20.850 --> 00:26:21.760
I just told you this is.
1186
00:26:21.880 --> 00:26:22.780
What I saw,
1187
00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:23.940
what I saw,
1188
00:26:24.030 --> 00:26:24.900
it's not a lie.
1189
00:26:25.010 --> 00:26:26.050
It's not a lie.
1190
00:26:26.510 --> 00:26:26.640
No,
1191
00:26:26.750 --> 00:26:27.670
please don't say lie.
1192
00:26:27.790 --> 00:26:28.780
You don't have to say lie.
1193
00:26:28.910 --> 00:26:29.220
I'm,
1194
00:26:29.310 --> 00:26:30.020
I'm gonna,
1195
00:26:30.070 --> 00:26:31.400
I'm gonna say what happened.
1196
00:26:31.710 --> 00:26:32.530
David was there.
1197
00:26:32.710 --> 00:26:35.340
He had already cooked Jake Lange in a debate 15 minutes before.
1198
00:26:35.670 --> 00:26:36.610
No one at that
1199
00:26:36.710 --> 00:26:38.740
tour was a fan of Jake Lange's rhetoric.
1200
00:26:38.830 --> 00:26:39.620
Absolutely.
1201
00:26:40.030 --> 00:26:40.180
Who?
1202
00:26:40.390 --> 00:26:41.400
How you gonna tell me that I was there?
1203
00:26:41.510 --> 00:26:41.600
No,
1204
00:26:41.830 --> 00:26:42.580
I'm agreeing with you,
1205
00:26:42.710 --> 00:26:42.970
right?
1206
00:26:42.990 --> 00:26:43.100
So,
1207
00:26:43.270 --> 00:26:44.330
so what I'm saying is
1208
00:26:44.470 --> 00:26:46.100
that you asked me a question.
1209
00:26:46.150 --> 00:26:46.450
You said,
1210
00:26:46.470 --> 00:26:47.190
did I benefit
1211
00:26:47.300 --> 00:26:47.910
from what?
1212
00:26:48.090 --> 00:26:48.560
Part of it
1213
00:26:49.490 --> 00:26:51.330
from being a black conservative on the other side,
1214
00:26:51.450 --> 00:26:53.120
because look how they did Candace Owens.
1215
00:26:53.300 --> 00:26:54.120
When they were done with her,
1216
00:26:54.170 --> 00:26:55.510
they kicked her to the side.
1217
00:26:55.770 --> 00:26:56.600
And so for me,
1218
00:26:56.740 --> 00:26:57.600
I want to know,
1219
00:26:57.820 --> 00:26:58.990
are you benefiting
1220
00:26:59.130 --> 00:27:00.560
from it as like a black conservative?
1221
00:27:00.610 --> 00:27:03.750
This is an important question because I've been dying to ask somebody who's willing
1222
00:27:03.930 --> 00:27:04.880
to have the conversation.
1223
00:27:05.170 --> 00:27:05.400
I mean,
1224
00:27:05.490 --> 00:27:06.080
people tell me,
1225
00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:06.830
people on the right,
1226
00:27:07.010 --> 00:27:07.980
what I call the radical right,
1227
00:27:08.010 --> 00:27:08.880
they don't think I'm a conservative.
1228
00:27:08.940 --> 00:27:09.560
A lot of them call me,
1229
00:27:09.650 --> 00:27:10.800
go look at my Instagram comments.
1230
00:27:10.890 --> 00:27:12.560
A lot of them call me a Marxist in disguise.
1231
00:27:12.770 --> 00:27:12.840
Oh,
1232
00:27:13.250 --> 00:27:13.980
you're a Marxist.
1233
00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:14.540
I mean,
1234
00:27:14.680 --> 00:27:14.960
I mean,
1235
00:27:15.360 --> 00:27:16.560
I mean y'all know I ain't lying.
1236
00:27:18.810 --> 00:27:19.490
Would you agree with that?
1237
00:27:19.600 --> 00:27:20.000
Hell no.
1238
00:27:20.120 --> 00:27:20.550
I'm not,
1239
00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:21.910
I'm not,
1240
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:22.490
let me tell you something,
1241
00:27:22.580 --> 00:27:23.660
before I'm before I'm black,
1242
00:27:24.020 --> 00:27:24.030
anything,
1243
00:27:24.280 --> 00:27:25.210
before I'm a Republican,
1244
00:27:25.520 --> 00:27:26.430
I'm a Christian.
1245
00:27:26.750 --> 00:27:27.460
Before I'm black,
1246
00:27:27.600 --> 00:27:28.190
I'm a Christian.
1247
00:27:28.460 --> 00:27:29.300
Before I'm anything else,
1248
00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:30.790
I'm a servant of the living God.
1249
00:27:31.080 --> 00:27:32.170
So I'm indisposable to nobody.
1250
00:27:32.360 --> 00:27:33.380
As long as he keep me on this earth,
1251
00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:33.990
I ain't going nowhere.
1252
00:27:34.090 --> 00:27:34.190
And
1253
00:27:34.760 --> 00:27:35.170
there are
1254
00:27:35.280 --> 00:27:35.980
people who are also
1255
00:27:36.190 --> 00:27:36.580
Christian
1256
00:27:36.680 --> 00:27:37.310
as well too.
1257
00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:38.000
And so we
1258
00:27:38.380 --> 00:27:39.970
I find it interesting that we have a lot,
1259
00:27:40.060 --> 00:27:40.970
we have a lot alike.
1260
00:27:41.060 --> 00:27:42.020
We're a lot alike,
1261
00:27:42.300 --> 00:27:45.340
but I think sometimes the rhetoric that you
1262
00:27:45.740 --> 00:27:46.370
uphold,
1263
00:27:46.500 --> 00:27:47.440
I'm gonna say it better,
1264
00:27:47.700 --> 00:27:48.490
uphold
1265
00:27:48.740 --> 00:27:49.570
a lot of your viewpoints,
1266
00:27:49.710 --> 00:27:51.300
especially around like trans women playing in sports.
1267
00:27:51.340 --> 00:27:52.200
You want to talk about,
1268
00:27:52.420 --> 00:27:53.350
it's funny because like again,
1269
00:27:53.900 --> 00:27:54.140
again,
1270
00:27:54.380 --> 00:27:56.690
I saw the video first and then you turned around and you
1271
00:27:56.690 --> 00:27:59.530
made another video about trans women playing in sports or whatnot.
1272
00:27:59.580 --> 00:28:00.320
It's always about
1273
00:28:00.420 --> 00:28:01.170
biological state.
1274
00:28:01.260 --> 00:28:02.250
I think they just should.
1275
00:28:02.520 --> 00:28:02.940
Why would,
1276
00:28:03.080 --> 00:28:03.210
OK,
1277
00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:04.630
let me,
1278
00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:05.660
let me break this down for you.
1279
00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:07.670
My twin sister is 5'9,
1280
00:28:07.760 --> 00:28:08.270
5'10,
1281
00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:09.030
about 100.
1282
00:28:09.280 --> 00:28:10.430
Are you identical or fraternal?
1283
00:28:10.520 --> 00:28:11.830
It's always a fraternal when it's a boy and a girl.
1284
00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:13.420
My twin sister might be a good
1285
00:28:14.030 --> 00:28:14.460
30,
1286
00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:15.310
35
1287
00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:17.120
in her prime when she's playing basketball.
1288
00:28:17.280 --> 00:28:18.390
I would have a serious problem with her
1289
00:28:18.390 --> 00:28:20.220
playing against somebody my size and my weight,
1290
00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:21.760
and I'm 6'2,
1291
00:28:22.120 --> 00:28:23.460
good damn 175.
1292
00:28:24.120 --> 00:28:24.420
So,
1293
00:28:24.520 --> 00:28:24.790
no,
1294
00:28:24.920 --> 00:28:25.310
there are,
1295
00:28:25.330 --> 00:28:25.750
there are,
1296
00:28:25.770 --> 00:28:25.840
and,
1297
00:28:25.860 --> 00:28:26.310
and the.
1298
00:28:26.430 --> 00:28:28.870
The amount of testosterone in an adult biological male
1299
00:28:29.060 --> 00:28:30.890
will absolutely outperform an adult,
1300
00:28:31.020 --> 00:28:32.190
the average adult biological female,
1301
00:28:32.300 --> 00:28:33.170
especially in the game of basketball,
1302
00:28:33.300 --> 00:28:33.530
football,
1303
00:28:33.620 --> 00:28:33.810
whatever.
1304
00:28:33.860 --> 00:28:35.110
So there are rules to pause
1305
00:28:35.320 --> 00:28:35.380
here
1306
00:28:35.500 --> 00:28:36.210
because we're out of time.
1307
00:28:36.620 --> 00:28:39.280
There are rules and stipulations in place that trans women have to
1308
00:28:39.340 --> 00:28:41.530
meet certain levels to be able to play in the first place.
1309
00:28:41.800 --> 00:28:42.210
There's only
1310
00:28:42.660 --> 00:28:44.250
less than 10 trans athletes,
1311
00:28:44.300 --> 00:28:47.160
which is only 0.002% of the population of trans women,
1312
00:28:47.300 --> 00:28:47.890
which is 1%.
1313
00:28:48.300 --> 00:28:48.450
Yes,
1314
00:28:48.540 --> 00:28:48.900
thank you.
1315
00:28:48.990 --> 00:28:49.650
We got to pause.
1316
00:28:49.820 --> 00:28:50.160
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1345
00:29:50.900 --> 00:29:52.530
My next surrounding claim is
1346
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:55.610
elective abortion is the greatest moral failure
1347
00:29:55.710 --> 00:29:56.740
of modern America.
1348
00:29:56.910 --> 00:29:58.340
If you'd like to be the first debater,
1349
00:29:58.510 --> 00:30:01.940
please get to the chair in +321.
1350
00:30:07.780 --> 00:30:11.220
Tell me about your actual claim because you said that it's a,
1351
00:30:11.260 --> 00:30:11.530
uh,
1352
00:30:11.620 --> 00:30:13.720
the most unjust or unfair or
1353
00:30:14.260 --> 00:30:15.370
you mentioned morals.
1354
00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:16.330
I said what do you mean?
1355
00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:20.030
I said that elective abortion is the greatest moral failure of modern America,
1356
00:30:20.160 --> 00:30:20.640
meaning
1357
00:30:20.920 --> 00:30:21.440
that what I'm,
1358
00:30:21.560 --> 00:30:22.690
I'm gonna confine the claim here.
1359
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:25.910
I'm speaking of two consenting adults that are willing to engage in sex,
1360
00:30:26.120 --> 00:30:26.390
right?
1361
00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:27.180
That's how
1362
00:30:27.320 --> 00:30:28.170
children are created.
1363
00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:31.510
66 million children were killed as a result of
1364
00:30:31.510 --> 00:30:33.430
abortion since the passing of Roe versus Wade.
1365
00:30:33.650 --> 00:30:34.000
So
1366
00:30:34.340 --> 00:30:34.590
these,
1367
00:30:34.830 --> 00:30:35.810
those deaths
1368
00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:37.110
didn't have to happen
1369
00:30:37.320 --> 00:30:38.000
if contraception.
1370
00:30:38.350 --> 00:30:38.860
would have been used.
1371
00:30:39.070 --> 00:30:40.410
52% of women that
1372
00:30:40.550 --> 00:30:41.640
got an abortion
1373
00:30:42.150 --> 00:30:42.900
did not reported,
1374
00:30:42.990 --> 00:30:45.260
did not reported not using contraception within
1375
00:30:45.260 --> 00:30:46.430
the month that they became pregnant.
1376
00:30:46.790 --> 00:30:49.140
Condoms have a 2% failure rate when used properly.
1377
00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:52.050
The male condoms have a 13% failure rate um
1378
00:30:52.190 --> 00:30:52.930
on average with
1379
00:30:53.070 --> 00:30:53.700
consistent use.
1380
00:30:53.830 --> 00:30:54.300
Therefore,
1381
00:30:54.470 --> 00:30:58.260
electively deciding to terminate what is an innocent life is a moral failure.
1382
00:30:58.830 --> 00:30:59.500
Who moral moral,
1383
00:30:59.550 --> 00:31:00.410
whose morals?
1384
00:31:01.510 --> 00:31:02.770
Objective morals.
1385
00:31:03.150 --> 00:31:04.260
Whose objective morals?
1386
00:31:04.510 --> 00:31:05.100
God's.
1387
00:31:05.230 --> 00:31:05.490
Oh,
1388
00:31:05.670 --> 00:31:07.390
so it's rooted in Christianity.
1389
00:31:07.590 --> 00:31:07.700
Oh,
1390
00:31:08.470 --> 00:31:08.740
of course,
1391
00:31:09.030 --> 00:31:11.770
ultimately because because biology tells us what a person is.
1392
00:31:11.990 --> 00:31:13.540
We have to move into the realm of philosophy to
1393
00:31:13.540 --> 00:31:15.030
tell us how that thing ought to be treated.
1394
00:31:15.110 --> 00:31:15.340
Got it.
1395
00:31:15.550 --> 00:31:20.660
Do you know the actual trend in Christianity since 1990 until 2020,
1396
00:31:21.150 --> 00:31:22.040
2017?
1397
00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:23.910
What I don't care about trends.
1398
00:31:23.930 --> 00:31:24.530
I care about what the
1399
00:31:24.820 --> 00:31:25.110
don't worry,
1400
00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:25.590
I got you.
1401
00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:28.520
Pew Research Center shows in 2025 that there
1402
00:31:28.520 --> 00:31:30.750
has been a dramatic drop in Christianity,
1403
00:31:30.800 --> 00:31:32.350
people identifying as Christians
1404
00:31:32.560 --> 00:31:35.620
going from 90% to 62%,
1405
00:31:35.990 --> 00:31:36.230
right?
1406
00:31:36.560 --> 00:31:38.990
More people are shifting towards being either not
1407
00:31:38.990 --> 00:31:41.870
religious or not actually identifying as anything.
1408
00:31:42.080 --> 00:31:42.350
So again,
1409
00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:44.490
when you talk about Christianity and you talk about our
1410
00:31:44.940 --> 00:31:45.480
Why should,
1411
00:31:45.660 --> 00:31:47.440
why should we actually stick to something
1412
00:31:47.580 --> 00:31:49.970
where people aren't even interested in the religion anymore?
1413
00:31:50.020 --> 00:31:50.090
Well,
1414
00:31:50.180 --> 00:31:50.430
first of all,
1415
00:31:50.450 --> 00:31:51.410
let's return to first principles.
1416
00:31:51.430 --> 00:31:52.570
I'm not here to debate my religion.
1417
00:31:52.590 --> 00:31:53.300
I'm telling you what,
1418
00:31:53.320 --> 00:31:53.530
what,
1419
00:31:53.580 --> 00:31:55.110
what my religion is ultimately grounded in.
1420
00:31:55.140 --> 00:31:56.360
So let's go back to first principles.
1421
00:31:56.540 --> 00:31:58.210
I'm here to discuss that elective abortion is
1422
00:31:58.210 --> 00:31:59.450
the greatest moral theory of modern America.
1423
00:31:59.500 --> 00:32:00.490
So let me ask you a question.
1424
00:32:00.660 --> 00:32:02.170
Is it wrong to terminate an innocent life?
1425
00:32:02.190 --> 00:32:02.250
No,
1426
00:32:02.300 --> 00:32:02.850
I'm not deflecting.
1427
00:32:02.900 --> 00:32:04.060
I'm going back to first principles.
1428
00:32:04.140 --> 00:32:06.450
Your claim is rooted in Christianity ultimately.
1429
00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:08.060
you're speaking for the country,
1430
00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:09.550
but the country is saying
1431
00:32:09.800 --> 00:32:11.110
Christianity doesn't speak for us.
1432
00:32:11.240 --> 00:32:11.590
First of all,
1433
00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:14.200
more than half of the United States of America's citizens identify as Christian,
1434
00:32:14.360 --> 00:32:15.150
especially the black community.
1435
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:17.550
So and and as long as In God We Trust is still on our money,
1436
00:32:17.600 --> 00:32:18.580
which is a government instrument,
1437
00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:19.550
it will always be,
1438
00:32:19.600 --> 00:32:21.400
there will always be some religious underpinning in this country.
1439
00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:22.270
So wait a minute,
1440
00:32:22.360 --> 00:32:22.390
no,
1441
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:22.520
no,
1442
00:32:22.540 --> 00:32:22.600
no,
1443
00:32:22.630 --> 00:32:22.710
no,
1444
00:32:22.760 --> 00:32:22.830
no,
1445
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:23.390
I've got a question.
1446
00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:23.980
Let's go back.
1447
00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:24.750
First principles.
1448
00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:25.180
Is it,
1449
00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:26.060
because you didn't answer this,
1450
00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:28.470
is it wrong to kill an innocent person?
1451
00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:29.420
Uh,
1452
00:32:29.590 --> 00:32:30.630
fetus isn't a person.
1453
00:32:31.280 --> 00:32:32.270
What does fetus mean in Latin?
1454
00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:33.710
What
1455
00:32:36.550 --> 00:32:36.590
does
1456
00:32:36.800 --> 00:32:37.380
fetus mean
1457
00:32:37.650 --> 00:32:38.320
in Latin?
1458
00:32:39.120 --> 00:32:39.240
What
1459
00:32:39.510 --> 00:32:40.000
does fetus
1460
00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:41.150
mean in Latin?
1461
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:41.950
What does
1462
00:32:42.120 --> 00:32:42.670
fetus mean?
1463
00:32:42.800 --> 00:32:44.270
It means little human being.
1464
00:32:44.800 --> 00:32:45.390
That's what it means.
1465
00:32:45.490 --> 00:32:46.170
So
1466
00:32:46.280 --> 00:32:46.880
is Latin a dead
1467
00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:47.450
language?
1468
00:32:47.800 --> 00:32:47.910
No,
1469
00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:48.460
it's not.
1470
00:32:48.570 --> 00:32:48.630
Oh,
1471
00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:49.150
it literally
1472
00:32:49.360 --> 00:32:49.470
is.
1473
00:32:49.600 --> 00:32:49.930
Latin's
1474
00:32:50.120 --> 00:32:50.780
literally a dead language
1475
00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:52.540
you're circling back to something.
1476
00:32:53.410 --> 00:32:53.870
It's not fine.
1477
00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:54.650
It is not fine.
1478
00:32:56.290 --> 00:32:57.070
It is not fine.
1479
00:32:57.760 --> 00:32:58.550
It is not fine.
1480
00:32:59.000 --> 00:32:59.460
It is not
1481
00:32:59.620 --> 00:32:59.710
fine
1482
00:32:59.880 --> 00:33:00.560
and we will go back.
1483
00:33:01.560 --> 00:33:02.270
I have a son.
1484
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:03.030
How many sons do you have?
1485
00:33:03.840 --> 00:33:04.560
I have a son.
1486
00:33:04.770 --> 00:33:04.820
Do
1487
00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:05.070
you
1488
00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:05.750
have
1489
00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:06.660
to be 6
1490
00:33:06.790 --> 00:33:06.800
years
1491
00:33:06.990 --> 00:33:07.000
old?
1492
00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:08.030
My sisters do,
1493
00:33:08.080 --> 00:33:08.540
my mother does.
1494
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:10.100
Some women here do I guarantee you.
1495
00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:11.560
You are
1496
00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:12.190
not
1497
00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:13.290
so we get
1498
00:33:13.390 --> 00:33:14.800
so we get he refused to answer my question.
1499
00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:15.300
We get that,
1500
00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:15.640
right?
1501
00:33:15.910 --> 00:33:16.440
The question was,
1502
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:17.140
is the wrong Terminator
1503
00:33:17.290 --> 00:33:17.300
is
1504
00:33:18.020 --> 00:33:18.730
the fetus is not.
1505
00:33:21.660 --> 00:33:21.900
You're right,
1506
00:33:22.260 --> 00:33:22.570
forgive me.
1507
00:33:22.660 --> 00:33:23.610
So let me restart.
1508
00:33:24.390 --> 00:33:24.500
Yeah,
1509
00:33:24.550 --> 00:33:25.020
I asked you,
1510
00:33:25.070 --> 00:33:26.860
is it wrong to terminate an innocent life?
1511
00:33:26.910 --> 00:33:29.630
You then tried to remove the humanity of a fetus,
1512
00:33:29.790 --> 00:33:31.580
which is biologically a human organism,
1513
00:33:31.670 --> 00:33:34.530
so you're comfortable with stripping away based on some,
1514
00:33:34.790 --> 00:33:37.420
not some arbitrary finding that you're saying that
1515
00:33:37.420 --> 00:33:40.260
essentially that a fetus is undeserving of protection.
1516
00:33:40.470 --> 00:33:43.820
I'm saying to you that any human being or member of the human species,
1517
00:33:44.030 --> 00:33:45.780
regardless of the stage of development they're in,
1518
00:33:46.110 --> 00:33:46.660
I'm not no longer,
1519
00:33:46.870 --> 00:33:47.460
I'm telling you what.
1520
00:33:47.660 --> 00:33:48.070
Your question,
1521
00:33:48.120 --> 00:33:48.840
so directly,
1522
00:33:49.180 --> 00:33:50.020
it's not up to me.
1523
00:33:50.080 --> 00:33:53.110
It's up to women whether or not they actually allow that fetus
1524
00:33:53.110 --> 00:33:55.730
to continue to actually be a parasite inside of them and grow.
1525
00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:57.200
But that's not identified as a parasite.
1526
00:33:57.640 --> 00:33:58.870
A fetus is not identified as a parasite,
1527
00:33:58.920 --> 00:33:59.140
by the way,
1528
00:33:59.320 --> 00:34:04.160
you say that the ultimate goal of or like not or outlawing abortion or,
1529
00:34:04.180 --> 00:34:04.390
you know,
1530
00:34:04.560 --> 00:34:05.790
the issue is that
1531
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:06.840
you want to actually
1532
00:34:07.320 --> 00:34:10.150
that you want to actually make sure that as many innocent lives are
1533
00:34:10.260 --> 00:34:10.659
born.
1534
00:34:12.010 --> 00:34:12.080
No,
1535
00:34:12.290 --> 00:34:13.360
answer this question because you're not,
1536
00:34:13.469 --> 00:34:13.520
you,
1537
00:34:13.610 --> 00:34:14.030
you stripped
1538
00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:14.250
away.
1539
00:34:14.409 --> 00:34:14.960
I'm not dodging.
1540
00:34:14.980 --> 00:34:15.570
I'm forcing you.
1541
00:34:15.610 --> 00:34:17.000
I'm forcing you back to first principles.
1542
00:34:17.429 --> 00:34:18.219
I'm going to answer my question.
1543
00:34:18.340 --> 00:34:18.380
No,
1544
00:34:18.449 --> 00:34:18.550
no,
1545
00:34:18.610 --> 00:34:20.090
you didn't you ran for my lives.
1546
00:34:20.170 --> 00:34:21.000
You absolutely.
1547
00:34:21.330 --> 00:34:22.550
What's more innocent than an unborn child?
1548
00:34:22.570 --> 00:34:22.750
OK,
1549
00:34:22.850 --> 00:34:22.960
perfect.
1550
00:34:23.250 --> 00:34:23.920
Are you willing,
1551
00:34:23.969 --> 00:34:26.210
are you willing to do whatever's possible to save innocent lives?
1552
00:34:26.250 --> 00:34:27.090
Are you willing to strip?
1553
00:34:27.170 --> 00:34:29.010
Are you willing to give me a second to cook on this one.
1554
00:34:29.210 --> 00:34:29.679
If you really
1555
00:34:30.610 --> 00:34:31.400
the flags are raised.
1556
00:34:31.530 --> 00:34:32.120
Are you cooking?
1557
00:34:32.139 --> 00:34:32.330
Right here.
1558
00:34:32.409 --> 00:34:33.750
They whipped you out of here right here,
1559
00:34:33.770 --> 00:34:34.310
right here.
1560
00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:36.980
If you want to actually save innocent lives,
1561
00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:38.920
if you want to save innocent lives,
1562
00:34:39.120 --> 00:34:40.030
why don't you actually
1563
00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:42.070
advocate for mandatory vasectomies?
1564
00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:43.750
Why would I advocate for mandatory vasectomies?
1565
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:44.750
I advocate for contraception.
1566
00:34:44.909 --> 00:34:45.820
Women and men,
1567
00:34:45.900 --> 00:34:45.920
wait,
1568
00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:46.510
wait,
1569
00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:46.760
stop,
1570
00:34:46.790 --> 00:34:46.870
stop.
1571
00:34:47.120 --> 00:34:47.150
No,
1572
00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:47.280
no,
1573
00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:47.480
no.
1574
00:34:47.600 --> 00:34:48.590
So you're gonna ask me a question.
1575
00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:51.030
Can I appeal the moderator here for a second?
1576
00:34:51.080 --> 00:34:52.650
Can I at least have the floor to answer the question?
1577
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:53.940
I appealed the contraception.
1578
00:34:54.040 --> 00:34:54.860
I just told you,
1579
00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:56.750
52% of women that got elected.
1580
00:34:56.850 --> 00:34:59.670
Abortions got them because they reported not using contraception.
1581
00:34:59.840 --> 00:35:01.710
Condoms have a 2% failure rate,
1582
00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:02.310
Santana.
1583
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:05.150
And you know what has a 99% effective rate?
1584
00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:06.040
Vasectomies.
1585
00:35:06.120 --> 00:35:06.350
Again,
1586
00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:09.350
so you just want to attack men.
1587
00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:10.630
So you just want to attack men.
1588
00:35:10.680 --> 00:35:11.680
I want to hold both sides accountable.
1589
00:35:13.080 --> 00:35:13.810
I thought I was supposed to be.
1590
00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:14.480
Wait,
1591
00:35:14.520 --> 00:35:14.950
how is that?
1592
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:16.880
How is that holding everyone accountable
1593
00:35:17.040 --> 00:35:18.850
when you're forcing a woman to have?
1594
00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:19.280
Baby.
1595
00:35:19.640 --> 00:35:20.070
Does it not,
1596
00:35:20.160 --> 00:35:20.470
I'm sorry,
1597
00:35:20.720 --> 00:35:21.510
it takes 2 to tango,
1598
00:35:21.720 --> 00:35:21.870
right?
1599
00:35:22.040 --> 00:35:23.150
My son didn't come into being by
1600
00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:24.000
saying
1601
00:35:24.150 --> 00:35:26.710
this woman has to actually have a baby,
1602
00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:28.750
which women are closest to death
1603
00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:32.040
while they are actually I'm saying that that is all of that is preventable,
1604
00:35:32.200 --> 00:35:33.230
but it's by the three words.
1605
00:35:33.320 --> 00:35:33.790
Wrap
1606
00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:34.310
it up.
1607
00:35:34.470 --> 00:35:34.590
We're
1608
00:35:34.750 --> 00:35:34.760
just
1609
00:35:35.120 --> 00:35:35.950
about to do to you in just a second.
1610
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:36.600
You're a meat watcher.
1611
00:35:36.680 --> 00:35:37.470
I advocate
1612
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:38.350
pause here.
1613
00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:39.230
We have to pause.
1614
00:35:39.290 --> 00:35:40.900
You've been voted out by the majority.
1615
00:35:41.730 --> 00:35:42.400
Thank you.
1616
00:35:42.810 --> 00:35:45.230
Please let each other speak though.
1617
00:35:45.730 --> 00:35:47.560
We cannot understand you guys.
1618
00:35:47.730 --> 00:35:48.650
In the words of Magic Johnson,
1619
00:35:48.690 --> 00:35:49.410
that's what you call like he,
1620
00:35:49.570 --> 00:35:49.850
he.
1621
00:35:50.730 --> 00:35:52.200
If you would like to be the next debater,
1622
00:35:52.370 --> 00:35:55.960
please get to that chair in 321.
1623
00:35:58.100 --> 00:35:58.250
OK,
1624
00:35:58.380 --> 00:35:59.650
now this could take a while.
1625
00:36:00.180 --> 00:36:01.650
I finally get my TikTok rematch.
1626
00:36:01.780 --> 00:36:01.870
Oh,
1627
00:36:02.220 --> 00:36:06.820
I'm actually a little nervous for this 12 and 0.
1628
00:36:07.500 --> 00:36:08.370
I thought it was a draw.
1629
00:36:09.300 --> 00:36:09.940
I forgot.
1630
00:36:10.300 --> 00:36:10.330
Um,
1631
00:36:10.780 --> 00:36:10.930
yeah,
1632
00:36:11.100 --> 00:36:11.560
so
1633
00:36:11.780 --> 00:36:12.320
I think
1634
00:36:12.620 --> 00:36:15.210
when you say that abortion is the greatest moral failing.
1635
00:36:15.550 --> 00:36:16.810
I would actually agree with you.
1636
00:36:17.310 --> 00:36:20.740
I actually agree with you that abortion is the greatest moral failing,
1637
00:36:21.030 --> 00:36:21.140
um,
1638
00:36:21.190 --> 00:36:25.210
and I actually think that the way a lot of pro-lifers speak about fetuses
1639
00:36:25.430 --> 00:36:28.130
can be very offensive and put people who are pro-life,
1640
00:36:28.270 --> 00:36:30.060
who would actually be a lot more pro-choice,
1641
00:36:30.340 --> 00:36:32.250
farther on the pro-life side when you call them
1642
00:36:32.430 --> 00:36:33.100
parasites.
1643
00:36:33.730 --> 00:36:34.000
Um,
1644
00:36:34.170 --> 00:36:35.240
but the thing is though,
1645
00:36:36.010 --> 00:36:37.020
I'm sure there's a disagreement
1646
00:36:37.130 --> 00:36:37.610
coming right now,
1647
00:36:37.890 --> 00:36:37.960
oh,
1648
00:36:38.010 --> 00:36:38.670
of course.
1649
00:36:39.130 --> 00:36:41.360
I think though that abortion is the greatest
1650
00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:43.480
moral failing because you have two worlds here,
1651
00:36:43.620 --> 00:36:43.890
Austin,
1652
00:36:44.110 --> 00:36:44.380
right?
1653
00:36:44.730 --> 00:36:46.070
You have world A
1654
00:36:46.370 --> 00:36:46.650
where,
1655
00:36:46.670 --> 00:36:46.910
where,
1656
00:36:46.970 --> 00:36:50.720
where from 1990 to 2014
1657
00:36:50.970 --> 00:36:52.360
we see in abortion
1658
00:36:52.610 --> 00:36:56.920
about a 37 to 40% decrease in abortions up until that time.
1659
00:36:57.090 --> 00:36:59.620
From 2014 to 2025,
1660
00:36:59.810 --> 00:37:00.440
it goes up.
1661
00:37:00.530 --> 00:37:00.870
Again,
1662
00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:01.070
right,
1663
00:37:01.200 --> 00:37:02.460
so you have one world,
1664
00:37:02.660 --> 00:37:02.820
right,
1665
00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:03.860
you have one world
1666
00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:06.030
where people have a guaranteed,
1667
00:37:06.120 --> 00:37:06.310
uh,
1668
00:37:06.720 --> 00:37:08.370
where their health care is guaranteed.
1669
00:37:08.640 --> 00:37:10.590
They have higher contraceptive care,
1670
00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:11.790
higher abortion care,
1671
00:37:12.040 --> 00:37:13.550
sex education increases.
1672
00:37:13.720 --> 00:37:16.930
All of these things make it so that people engage in both sexes
1673
00:37:17.080 --> 00:37:19.430
in less risky sex practices,
1674
00:37:19.510 --> 00:37:20.160
leading to
1675
00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:22.030
less unwanted pregnancies,
1676
00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:23.630
less abortions.
1677
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:27.400
People are actually able to have the families they want to be able to take care of.
1678
00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:27.750
Of them,
1679
00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:28.150
right?
1680
00:37:28.350 --> 00:37:30.870
Women are more protected because they're not getting pregnant
1681
00:37:31.070 --> 00:37:31.330
and,
1682
00:37:31.350 --> 00:37:31.620
you know,
1683
00:37:31.750 --> 00:37:33.620
unfortunately sabotaging their careers,
1684
00:37:33.750 --> 00:37:33.980
right?
1685
00:37:34.270 --> 00:37:36.010
But then in world B
1686
00:37:36.350 --> 00:37:39.100
you have politicians playing political football with
1687
00:37:39.100 --> 00:37:41.460
abortions and abortion has gone up about
1688
00:37:41.610 --> 00:37:43.980
22% when you crunch those numbers
1689
00:37:44.110 --> 00:37:45.820
and only and only half the time,
1690
00:37:46.030 --> 00:37:46.360
right?
1691
00:37:46.670 --> 00:37:49.670
So I would need you to like I would need you to ask like which one would you prefer,
1692
00:37:49.990 --> 00:37:50.290
uh,
1693
00:37:50.630 --> 00:37:52.980
world A where we see that people are getting
1694
00:37:52.980 --> 00:37:54.220
the health care they need and they're actually getting.
1695
00:37:54.350 --> 00:37:55.120
abortions
1696
00:37:55.260 --> 00:37:57.620
or world B where people are unsure
1697
00:37:57.740 --> 00:37:59.810
whether or not even if they want to have the baby
1698
00:37:59.940 --> 00:38:02.370
they're not gonna get adequate natal care because of the abortion.
1699
00:38:02.460 --> 00:38:02.590
OK,
1700
00:38:02.740 --> 00:38:04.600
so you actually raised very interesting questions
1701
00:38:04.600 --> 00:38:06.290
because one of the largest reported reasons,
1702
00:38:06.380 --> 00:38:07.410
I'm glad you brought this up by the way,
1703
00:38:07.460 --> 00:38:09.040
one of the biggest reported reasons that,
1704
00:38:09.260 --> 00:38:09.290
uh,
1705
00:38:09.460 --> 00:38:10.250
women get abortions,
1706
00:38:10.340 --> 00:38:13.800
74% of women to a survey from the Gutmacher Institute stated that
1707
00:38:13.860 --> 00:38:15.890
they didn't want to keep the child because of financial reasons,
1708
00:38:16.100 --> 00:38:17.160
didn't want to be a single mother,
1709
00:38:17.420 --> 00:38:17.730
um,
1710
00:38:17.860 --> 00:38:19.720
or that they had already had other children they had to care for.
1711
00:38:19.940 --> 00:38:21.170
So the ideal world.
1712
00:38:21.290 --> 00:38:21.880
For me
1713
00:38:22.130 --> 00:38:22.550
is,
1714
00:38:22.570 --> 00:38:22.880
again,
1715
00:38:23.370 --> 00:38:24.460
increased contraceptive use
1716
00:38:24.600 --> 00:38:26.240
because all of these problems are easily prevented.
1717
00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:27.410
Then you'd want the world with Roe v.
1718
00:38:27.530 --> 00:38:27.720
Wade,
1719
00:38:27.810 --> 00:38:28.280
Austin.
1720
00:38:28.610 --> 00:38:29.080
What do you mean?
1721
00:38:29.260 --> 00:38:29.920
Why would I want Roe v.
1722
00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:31.100
Wade in world A,
1723
00:38:31.290 --> 00:38:32.480
after the passing of Roe v.
1724
00:38:32.570 --> 00:38:32.890
Wade
1725
00:38:33.010 --> 00:38:35.250
from 1990 to 2014,
1726
00:38:35.300 --> 00:38:36.500
we saw a slow
1727
00:38:36.620 --> 00:38:38.260
yet steady decrease by
1728
00:38:38.490 --> 00:38:39.840
40%,
1729
00:38:40.050 --> 00:38:40.530
Austin.
1730
00:38:40.810 --> 00:38:43.860
1.6 million to at its lowest 600,000.
1731
00:38:44.010 --> 00:38:44.740
How much is that?
1732
00:38:44.970 --> 00:38:45.880
That's a massive reduction.
1733
00:38:45.930 --> 00:38:46.970
That's a massive reduction.
1734
00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:48.660
So which,
1735
00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:49.910
but the question is Austin,
1736
00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:51.870
which one do you prefer?
1737
00:38:52.490 --> 00:38:52.550
OK,
1738
00:38:52.680 --> 00:38:53.310
which one do you prefer?
1739
00:38:53.410 --> 00:38:55.910
Will we get less abortions or abortion goes up because people don't
1740
00:38:55.910 --> 00:38:57.590
know whether or not they're gonna be able to receive healthcare?
1741
00:38:57.680 --> 00:38:57.790
Well,
1742
00:38:57.960 --> 00:38:58.030
no,
1743
00:38:58.160 --> 00:38:58.540
but again,
1744
00:38:58.640 --> 00:39:00.510
what you're talking about is is an economic problem.
1745
00:39:00.640 --> 00:39:02.420
I'm gonna,
1746
00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:03.290
I'm gonna make my own world.
1747
00:39:03.320 --> 00:39:05.080
That's what I you know that's what that world
1748
00:39:05.200 --> 00:39:06.350
exists not yet,
1749
00:39:06.680 --> 00:39:07.070
not yet,
1750
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:07.610
you know.
1751
00:39:07.640 --> 00:39:08.270
I thought you were liberals.
1752
00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:09.470
I thought liberals believed in manifesting,
1753
00:39:09.600 --> 00:39:10.470
speaking things into existence,
1754
00:39:10.520 --> 00:39:10.860
you know.
1755
00:39:11.170 --> 00:39:11.390
But
1756
00:39:11.600 --> 00:39:12.330
that's more spiritual.
1757
00:39:12.520 --> 00:39:12.710
Well,
1758
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:13.100
you know,
1759
00:39:13.720 --> 00:39:14.950
I don't want to get into philosophy with you.
1760
00:39:15.100 --> 00:39:16.560
Quite yet we know where that conversation is gonna go,
1761
00:39:16.610 --> 00:39:16.960
but I would,
1762
00:39:17.050 --> 00:39:17.720
I would say this,
1763
00:39:17.810 --> 00:39:18.110
that
1764
00:39:18.310 --> 00:39:19.390
when we look into
1765
00:39:19.690 --> 00:39:19.880
the,
1766
00:39:19.970 --> 00:39:21.430
the ideal world for me
1767
00:39:21.570 --> 00:39:24.820
is one where the life of the mother and her financial
1768
00:39:24.970 --> 00:39:26.220
well-being is prioritized
1769
00:39:26.450 --> 00:39:27.960
and the life of the child is protected.
1770
00:39:28.010 --> 00:39:28.360
That's Roe v.
1771
00:39:28.450 --> 00:39:28.560
Wade,
1772
00:39:28.630 --> 00:39:28.850
baby.
1773
00:39:28.970 --> 00:39:29.960
So if that,
1774
00:39:30.010 --> 00:39:30.920
if that is in fact the case,
1775
00:39:30.970 --> 00:39:31.840
I would have to go look,
1776
00:39:31.930 --> 00:39:33.160
fact check that myself to check into it.
1777
00:39:33.280 --> 00:39:33.290
Yeah,
1778
00:39:33.300 --> 00:39:34.120
you could look at Pew Research,
1779
00:39:34.150 --> 00:39:36.400
you could look at uh Gutmacher that you just cited here,
1780
00:39:36.450 --> 00:39:36.980
but
1781
00:39:37.090 --> 00:39:37.240
I
1782
00:39:37.370 --> 00:39:37.480
still.
1783
00:39:37.570 --> 00:39:38.180
I,
1784
00:39:38.290 --> 00:39:38.320
I,
1785
00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:40.990
that still doesn't necessarily refute the claim that the termination of
1786
00:39:40.990 --> 00:39:43.670
an innocent life after consensual sex is still morally wrong,
1787
00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:43.950
and I,
1788
00:39:44.040 --> 00:39:44.430
and then,
1789
00:39:44.560 --> 00:39:45.580
then the reason I can't,
1790
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:47.090
I can't justify,
1791
00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:47.510
uh,
1792
00:39:47.680 --> 00:39:49.170
someone that grew up poor.
1793
00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:49.630
First of all,
1794
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:49.850
I'm,
1795
00:39:50.080 --> 00:39:50.550
I'm gonna be honest,
1796
00:39:50.600 --> 00:39:52.910
it costs $300,000 on average,
1797
00:39:53.080 --> 00:39:53.870
around $300,000.
1798
00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:56.060
The fact check is gonna save about $286,000
1799
00:39:56.200 --> 00:39:57.310
to raise a child to age 18,
1800
00:39:57.440 --> 00:39:58.230
not including college,
1801
00:39:58.560 --> 00:39:58.940
but
1802
00:39:59.080 --> 00:39:59.850
let's be clear.
1803
00:40:00.410 --> 00:40:00.650
If
1804
00:40:00.790 --> 00:40:02.340
you are too poor to take care of a child,
1805
00:40:02.430 --> 00:40:03.720
why are you having unprotected sex?
1806
00:40:04.830 --> 00:40:05.180
But again,
1807
00:40:05.310 --> 00:40:05.620
but again,
1808
00:40:05.710 --> 00:40:06.300
Austin,
1809
00:40:06.470 --> 00:40:06.860
Roe v.
1810
00:40:06.950 --> 00:40:08.580
Wade expands the education.
1811
00:40:08.720 --> 00:40:11.460
Sex education means teaching people how to put on condoms,
1812
00:40:11.550 --> 00:40:12.660
when to put on condoms,
1813
00:40:12.790 --> 00:40:16.820
how to make sure that the condom success rate is at the highest it could possibly be.
1814
00:40:17.070 --> 00:40:19.570
That's why we saw not only decrease abortions,
1815
00:40:19.720 --> 00:40:21.140
but decrease pregnancy.
1816
00:40:21.340 --> 00:40:21.630
Who's
1817
00:40:21.860 --> 00:40:21.960
who who who
1818
00:40:22.740 --> 00:40:23.330
what but OK,
1819
00:40:23.420 --> 00:40:24.290
here's I get that.
1820
00:40:24.420 --> 00:40:24.940
Here's the thing then
1821
00:40:25.460 --> 00:40:26.410
I ask you a question really quickly,
1822
00:40:26.580 --> 00:40:27.030
right?
1823
00:40:27.580 --> 00:40:28.700
We live in a world,
1824
00:40:29.020 --> 00:40:29.290
right,
1825
00:40:29.490 --> 00:40:29.900
where
1826
00:40:30.020 --> 00:40:30.800
murder happens
1827
00:40:31.100 --> 00:40:33.380
and we know that there's no feasible way that we're gonna
1828
00:40:33.540 --> 00:40:35.200
stop people from murdering each other.
1829
00:40:35.580 --> 00:40:38.240
Would you prefer a world where people commit
1830
00:40:38.580 --> 00:40:40.130
more murder or less murder?
1831
00:40:40.630 --> 00:40:40.810
I mean,
1832
00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:42.560
obviously you would prefer a world where This murder
1833
00:40:42.690 --> 00:40:43.880
happens but that's not realistic.
1834
00:40:44.530 --> 00:40:46.560
But it is realistic though because we've been seeing that.
1835
00:40:47.050 --> 00:40:47.870
We've been seeing what?
1836
00:40:47.890 --> 00:40:49.550
The murder rates have been decreasing nationally.
1837
00:40:49.690 --> 00:40:50.090
They have been,
1838
00:40:50.130 --> 00:40:50.890
but what I'm what I'm
1839
00:40:51.140 --> 00:40:52.040
what I'm specifically,
1840
00:40:52.210 --> 00:40:54.760
what I'm specifically talking about is who is the what race of women
1841
00:40:55.330 --> 00:40:56.590
specifically gets the most abortions?
1842
00:40:56.610 --> 00:40:57.080
It doesn't matter
1843
00:40:59.410 --> 00:40:59.810
what I'm saying
1844
00:41:00.010 --> 00:41:00.750
is that question,
1845
00:41:01.050 --> 00:41:02.610
what race of women gets more abortions than anybody else?
1846
00:41:03.860 --> 00:41:04.290
Your race,
1847
00:41:04.420 --> 00:41:04.770
my race,
1848
00:41:04.900 --> 00:41:05.650
the black race.
1849
00:41:05.860 --> 00:41:06.530
Why does that happen?
1850
00:41:06.670 --> 00:41:07.450
Financial issues.
1851
00:41:07.660 --> 00:41:07.970
So what,
1852
00:41:08.020 --> 00:41:08.320
so
1853
00:41:08.540 --> 00:41:08.550
no,
1854
00:41:08.770 --> 00:41:08.780
no,
1855
00:41:10.260 --> 00:41:10.490
no,
1856
00:41:10.540 --> 00:41:11.520
what I'm what I'm saying,
1857
00:41:11.540 --> 00:41:12.650
I'm not disagreeing with your point.
1858
00:41:12.700 --> 00:41:12.970
I will,
1859
00:41:13.020 --> 00:41:15.130
I will concede that there is a better world that we can craft.
1860
00:41:15.260 --> 00:41:16.140
No rational.
1861
00:41:18.190 --> 00:41:18.420
I don't,
1862
00:41:18.510 --> 00:41:18.860
I would have,
1863
00:41:18.970 --> 00:41:19.140
again,
1864
00:41:19.270 --> 00:41:20.220
I don't know that for certain.
1865
00:41:20.310 --> 00:41:20.450
I,
1866
00:41:20.470 --> 00:41:20.690
I
1867
00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:20.990
would rather
1868
00:41:21.430 --> 00:41:21.470
go
1869
00:41:21.870 --> 00:41:23.090
you cited the source
1870
00:41:23.390 --> 00:41:24.100
that said this,
1871
00:41:24.150 --> 00:41:24.510
Austin.
1872
00:41:24.790 --> 00:41:26.740
I'm agreeing with you that it is a moral failing,
1873
00:41:26.790 --> 00:41:27.050
right?
1874
00:41:27.270 --> 00:41:27.530
We're not,
1875
00:41:27.550 --> 00:41:28.220
that's not a disagreement.
1876
00:41:28.310 --> 00:41:31.250
I'm just saying I want to be certain because somebody's gonna fact check me,
1877
00:41:31.270 --> 00:41:32.820
the comments are gonna crucify me if I just
1878
00:41:32.820 --> 00:41:35.170
willingly concede that point without having first researched it myself
1879
00:41:35.310 --> 00:41:37.490
that the ideal world was one in fact
1880
00:41:37.750 --> 00:41:41.140
where 600,000 I think it was what did you say reduced to 600,000.
1881
00:41:41.430 --> 00:41:41.890
So if that,
1882
00:41:41.910 --> 00:41:43.370
if we could regenerate that,
1883
00:41:43.510 --> 00:41:43.980
I'm fine with it,
1884
00:41:44.030 --> 00:41:45.140
but I don't want any innocent,
1885
00:41:45.270 --> 00:41:46.620
but I don't want any innocent life.
1886
00:41:46.730 --> 00:41:47.180
terminated,
1887
00:41:47.350 --> 00:41:47.790
especially when
1888
00:41:48.140 --> 00:41:49.860
that's how I feel about murder victims.
1889
00:41:49.950 --> 00:41:50.940
But all I'm saying is this
1890
00:41:51.070 --> 00:41:53.570
within the confines of two consenting adults wanting to lay down
1891
00:41:53.750 --> 00:41:54.660
and bump uglies.
1892
00:41:54.710 --> 00:41:54.980
That's right,
1893
00:41:55.030 --> 00:41:55.900
I said bump uglies.
1894
00:41:56.270 --> 00:41:57.210
What if I about it?
1895
00:41:57.350 --> 00:41:58.190
If you want to do that,
1896
00:41:58.710 --> 00:41:59.640
sexual freedom,
1897
00:41:59.790 --> 00:42:01.260
the biggest problem with a lot of people on
1898
00:42:01.260 --> 00:42:04.580
the left is that they love sexual freedom without while
1899
00:42:04.700 --> 00:42:05.510
the responsibility,
1900
00:42:05.630 --> 00:42:05.930
right,
1901
00:42:05.950 --> 00:42:06.570
I agree with you.
1902
00:42:06.870 --> 00:42:07.570
I agree with you
1903
00:42:07.700 --> 00:42:08.050
because
1904
00:42:08.190 --> 00:42:10.450
there's a reason that I only have one beautiful son.
1905
00:42:10.550 --> 00:42:11.240
I agree because when I,
1906
00:42:11.260 --> 00:42:11.580
when,
1907
00:42:11.630 --> 00:42:13.330
when the relationship with his mother didn't work out,
1908
00:42:13.350 --> 00:42:13.530
I said,
1909
00:42:13.550 --> 00:42:13.870
you know what,
1910
00:42:13.910 --> 00:42:15.220
Austin is not doing this.
1911
00:42:15.680 --> 00:42:15.810
I
1912
00:42:16.050 --> 00:42:16.180
fully married
1913
00:42:16.680 --> 00:42:18.660
and I set a standard for myself and I stuck to it.
1914
00:42:18.760 --> 00:42:19.980
So I'm trying to understand
1915
00:42:20.120 --> 00:42:21.210
why is it especially
1916
00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:22.280
the black woman
1917
00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:24.300
has to go and that's not a fault of women at all,
1918
00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:24.550
by the way,
1919
00:42:24.680 --> 00:42:26.180
because what a lot of the reasons
1920
00:42:26.280 --> 00:42:27.590
is they don't want to be single parents.
1921
00:42:27.720 --> 00:42:28.850
That's not a fault of black women at all.
1922
00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:31.500
That's our failure to not provide the environment for them.
1923
00:42:31.640 --> 00:42:32.460
But do you think that's,
1924
00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:34.510
do you think that's more or less likely when they
1925
00:42:34.510 --> 00:42:36.630
can't get an abortion to have these single parent households?
1926
00:42:36.650 --> 00:42:37.990
It's obviously more likely when they can't afford it,
1927
00:42:38.010 --> 00:42:38.230
but again.
1928
00:42:38.350 --> 00:42:39.090
I go back to,
1929
00:42:39.180 --> 00:42:40.090
if you know you can't afford
1930
00:42:40.940 --> 00:42:41.020
it,
1931
00:42:41.100 --> 00:42:42.020
they can't get an abortion.
1932
00:42:42.130 --> 00:42:42.330
Can't get,
1933
00:42:42.380 --> 00:42:42.640
OK,
1934
00:42:42.700 --> 00:42:43.090
granted,
1935
00:42:43.180 --> 00:42:44.730
so if you know you can't get an abortion,
1936
00:42:44.860 --> 00:42:45.680
if you know that
1937
00:42:45.780 --> 00:42:47.370
and you want to lay down with and you want to
1938
00:42:47.370 --> 00:42:49.530
lay down with with with with Pookie and Ray Ray,
1939
00:42:50.180 --> 00:42:50.930
tell that man wrap it up.
1940
00:42:51.500 --> 00:42:51.810
Austin,
1941
00:42:51.860 --> 00:42:55.090
I think you know that that's unfair because sexual responsibility is unfair.
1942
00:42:55.150 --> 00:42:55.290
No,
1943
00:42:55.340 --> 00:42:56.730
you can still have sexual responsibility,
1944
00:42:56.780 --> 00:42:58.090
but that doesn't mean that the person you're
1945
00:42:58.090 --> 00:42:59.440
with that you think you're going to be with
1946
00:42:59.580 --> 00:43:01.180
for a long term is going to stay when you get pregnant.
1947
00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:02.590
So what are these women
1948
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:03.270
supposed to do?
1949
00:43:04.700 --> 00:43:04.750
This
1950
00:43:05.800 --> 00:43:07.150
sounds like victim blaming because we see,
1951
00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:08.040
hold on,
1952
00:43:08.080 --> 00:43:08.290
Austin,
1953
00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:08.550
Austin,
1954
00:43:08.610 --> 00:43:08.880
hold on,
1955
00:43:08.920 --> 00:43:10.470
because we see an increase in child abuse,
1956
00:43:10.520 --> 00:43:13.220
we see an increase in domestic abuse because women are now tied
1957
00:43:13.400 --> 00:43:14.140
to these people.
1958
00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:17.630
They wouldn't be tied to these people if they were able to get the adequate care,
1959
00:43:17.710 --> 00:43:18.520
but not even just that.
1960
00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:20.040
I'm saying is this,
1961
00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:21.420
before it even gets there,
1962
00:43:21.520 --> 00:43:21.810
right,
1963
00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:22.950
you're not gonna tell me what are women
1964
00:43:23.290 --> 00:43:23.970
supposed to do?
1965
00:43:24.590 --> 00:43:27.620
I'm going to tell women to do the same exact thing I tell men to do with women,
1966
00:43:27.710 --> 00:43:28.290
vet
1967
00:43:28.470 --> 00:43:28.780
better.
1968
00:43:29.020 --> 00:43:31.260
Before you have unprotected sex
1969
00:43:31.510 --> 00:43:32.330
with somebody,
1970
00:43:32.670 --> 00:43:33.530
make sure
1971
00:43:33.710 --> 00:43:35.010
that you're either married to them
1972
00:43:35.190 --> 00:43:36.830
or that you are going to be in a committed relationship.
1973
00:43:36.950 --> 00:43:39.900
You need to vet the people that you're sleeping with unprotected because
1974
00:43:40.030 --> 00:43:40.260
hold on.
1975
00:43:40.470 --> 00:43:41.080
this last point,
1976
00:43:41.170 --> 00:43:41.430
right?
1977
00:43:41.570 --> 00:43:43.750
Another problem that we haven't even addressed in the black community,
1978
00:43:44.130 --> 00:43:47.690
black people have some of the highest STD rates in this country.
1979
00:43:48.210 --> 00:43:50.480
All of these things can be mitigated if both parties,
1980
00:43:50.650 --> 00:43:51.440
men and women,
1981
00:43:51.610 --> 00:43:53.810
sit down and my daddy used to say this before and
1982
00:43:53.830 --> 00:43:56.270
and and it it it there's too many men today,
1983
00:43:56.530 --> 00:43:57.320
and shout out to you for this one,
1984
00:43:57.410 --> 00:43:57.670
Dad,
1985
00:43:57.890 --> 00:44:00.460
there are too many men today that know what a woman looks like naked
1986
00:44:00.610 --> 00:44:02.520
and they don't even know her favorite color or her favorite food.
1987
00:44:02.610 --> 00:44:03.400
That's a problem.
1988
00:44:03.690 --> 00:44:04.500
That's insane.
1989
00:44:05.190 --> 00:44:08.100
Now I mean you and I think if we are honest about this,
1990
00:44:08.190 --> 00:44:12.690
if we both can we both agree that if we start from the baseline
1991
00:44:13.150 --> 00:44:13.810
from the beginning,
1992
00:44:14.150 --> 00:44:15.260
abortions would drop.
1993
00:44:15.910 --> 00:44:17.650
I think I argue domestic abuse would drop.
1994
00:44:17.790 --> 00:44:21.020
I argue if we vetted better all of the issues that you just described that
1995
00:44:21.020 --> 00:44:23.670
we've been sitting out here talking about for the last 10 to 15 minutes,
1996
00:44:23.790 --> 00:44:27.680
I think all of this would serve to create a more harmonious egalitarian society
1997
00:44:27.910 --> 00:44:28.220
where men.
1998
00:44:28.420 --> 00:44:30.700
Men are not walking out on their damn responsibilities,
1999
00:44:30.830 --> 00:44:31.380
while at the same time,
2000
00:44:31.460 --> 00:44:34.020
women actually feel safe to carry the kids to the men that they sleep with.
2001
00:44:34.150 --> 00:44:35.580
I actually feel sympathy for women.
2002
00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:35.770
Alright,
2003
00:44:35.870 --> 00:44:36.180
so how about,
2004
00:44:36.240 --> 00:44:36.620
how about this
2005
00:44:36.750 --> 00:44:37.140
pause.
2006
00:44:37.310 --> 00:44:38.630
You've been voted out by the majority.
2007
00:44:38.830 --> 00:44:39.810
Thank you so much.
2008
00:44:40.230 --> 00:44:41.220
I like that was the best.
2009
00:44:41.270 --> 00:44:41.650
That was,
2010
00:44:41.750 --> 00:44:42.290
that was great.
2011
00:44:42.310 --> 00:44:42.780
That was great.
2012
00:44:42.830 --> 00:44:43.620
That was really good,
2013
00:44:43.740 --> 00:44:44.340
really good.
2014
00:44:44.590 --> 00:44:45.900
We might have to continue that one on TikTok.
2015
00:44:45.950 --> 00:44:46.450
I don't know.
2016
00:44:46.630 --> 00:44:47.900
If you'd like to be the next debater,
2017
00:44:48.080 --> 00:44:51.590
please get to the chair in 321.
2018
00:44:53.950 --> 00:44:54.020
Oh,
2019
00:44:54.190 --> 00:44:54.570
she said,
2020
00:44:54.590 --> 00:44:55.820
she said y'all ain't got the fast enough leg.
2021
00:44:55.910 --> 00:44:56.810
Gotta be quicker than that.
2022
00:44:57.070 --> 00:44:57.390
How are you,
2023
00:44:57.460 --> 00:44:57.650
ma'am?
2024
00:44:57.670 --> 00:44:57.900
I'm good.
2025
00:44:58.020 --> 00:44:58.380
What's your name?
2026
00:44:58.460 --> 00:44:58.920
Alyssa.
2027
00:44:58.940 --> 00:44:59.270
Austin,
2028
00:44:59.350 --> 00:44:59.670
nice to meet you,
2029
00:44:59.780 --> 00:45:00.300
Miss Alyssa.
2030
00:45:00.520 --> 00:45:00.970
Um,
2031
00:45:01.190 --> 00:45:03.100
so I kind of wanted to go backwards,
2032
00:45:03.150 --> 00:45:03.450
um,
2033
00:45:03.750 --> 00:45:04.840
to back to the prompt.
2034
00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:05.310
Yes ma'am.
2035
00:45:05.470 --> 00:45:05.660
Um,
2036
00:45:05.910 --> 00:45:08.890
I would argue that the biggest moral failing isn't
2037
00:45:09.270 --> 00:45:11.010
allowing women to have elective abortions.
2038
00:45:11.030 --> 00:45:14.390
It's rather the regression of rights as a whole.
2039
00:45:14.900 --> 00:45:16.670
So what do you mean regression of rights as a whole?
2040
00:45:16.740 --> 00:45:16.890
Yeah,
2041
00:45:17.100 --> 00:45:17.800
so when we
2042
00:45:17.940 --> 00:45:18.210
take,
2043
00:45:18.340 --> 00:45:19.240
when we have progress,
2044
00:45:19.300 --> 00:45:23.400
it feels like we're almost taking like 5 steps forward and 10 steps back.
2045
00:45:23.780 --> 00:45:23.850
Um,
2046
00:45:24.100 --> 00:45:25.370
I wanna make sure that I'm understanding what
2047
00:45:25.370 --> 00:45:26.370
you're just following your train of thought.
2048
00:45:26.420 --> 00:45:28.570
You're saying that women's rights have regressed,
2049
00:45:28.780 --> 00:45:28.910
yeah,
2050
00:45:29.090 --> 00:45:29.100
and,
2051
00:45:29.220 --> 00:45:30.770
and the overturning of Roe v.
2052
00:45:30.860 --> 00:45:31.300
Wade,
2053
00:45:31.540 --> 00:45:31.770
um,
2054
00:45:31.940 --> 00:45:33.090
is very indicative of that.
2055
00:45:33.140 --> 00:45:37.130
When we look at the data from states that have abortion bans and restrictions,
2056
00:45:37.380 --> 00:45:40.930
we see an increase in maternal mortality and infant mortality,
2057
00:45:41.020 --> 00:45:41.690
and I think if the.
2058
00:45:41.780 --> 00:45:45.390
The idea here is protecting the sanctity of human life.
2059
00:45:45.770 --> 00:45:47.610
You don't do that by
2060
00:45:47.850 --> 00:45:51.380
passing legislation that ultimately harms and kills more people.
2061
00:45:51.730 --> 00:45:52.140
So,
2062
00:45:52.450 --> 00:45:52.580
OK,
2063
00:45:52.650 --> 00:45:52.880
I don't,
2064
00:45:52.930 --> 00:45:55.710
I don't know that that ultimately harms and kills because what I'm looking at is
2065
00:45:55.960 --> 00:45:56.190
a,
2066
00:45:56.210 --> 00:45:56.440
a,
2067
00:45:56.490 --> 00:45:57.670
a child is,
2068
00:45:57.690 --> 00:45:57.960
first of all,
2069
00:45:58.020 --> 00:45:59.820
is a child a human being to you?
2070
00:46:00.250 --> 00:46:00.400
A,
2071
00:46:00.430 --> 00:46:01.820
a child is a human being.
2072
00:46:01.850 --> 00:46:02.980
Is a fetus a human being to you?
2073
00:46:03.010 --> 00:46:04.080
A fetus is a fetus.
2074
00:46:04.290 --> 00:46:04.720
A fetus,
2075
00:46:04.850 --> 00:46:06.000
what does the fetus mean in Latin?
2076
00:46:06.580 --> 00:46:07.120
So we can,
2077
00:46:07.330 --> 00:46:08.030
we can argue
2078
00:46:08.700 --> 00:46:08.810
no,
2079
00:46:08.850 --> 00:46:09.530
it's not semantics.
2080
00:46:09.580 --> 00:46:10.190
That's a very,
2081
00:46:10.340 --> 00:46:11.320
that's a definition.
2082
00:46:11.560 --> 00:46:12.930
What does fetus mean in Latin?
2083
00:46:13.260 --> 00:46:14.930
It means little human being.
2084
00:46:15.060 --> 00:46:17.690
The reason that that term was ascribed is because it's exactly what it is.
2085
00:46:17.780 --> 00:46:20.810
All it's describing is a human being at an early stage of development.
2086
00:46:20.980 --> 00:46:21.360
When that,
2087
00:46:21.380 --> 00:46:23.730
when that when that same embryo develops into a fetus,
2088
00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:25.090
it is the same human organism.
2089
00:46:25.220 --> 00:46:27.280
Nothing about the organism changes except the fact
2090
00:46:27.340 --> 00:46:28.990
that new abilities are added to that organism,
2091
00:46:29.060 --> 00:46:30.390
such as sentience,
2092
00:46:30.620 --> 00:46:31.330
consciousness,
2093
00:46:31.540 --> 00:46:32.040
all of that.
2094
00:46:32.260 --> 00:46:33.450
So it is a human being.
2095
00:46:33.600 --> 00:46:33.960
Being
2096
00:46:34.190 --> 00:46:34.870
fundamentally,
2097
00:46:34.910 --> 00:46:35.380
and if I,
2098
00:46:35.430 --> 00:46:38.410
if I can't just say I want to protect women while while also
2099
00:46:38.810 --> 00:46:40.090
not recognizing that
2100
00:46:40.350 --> 00:46:42.840
that individual organism that is using her body for nine months,
2101
00:46:42.950 --> 00:46:45.420
there was no point that at any at any point in my son's
2102
00:46:45.420 --> 00:46:47.290
early development that you would get me to say he's not a human.
2103
00:46:47.470 --> 00:46:49.280
From the time that I knew his mother was pregnant,
2104
00:46:49.540 --> 00:46:53.480
my son was a human being and it became my job as his daddy to protect him
2105
00:46:53.630 --> 00:46:56.660
and I say that to my I would say that to my niece becomes a
2106
00:46:56.780 --> 00:46:56.930
conversation
2107
00:46:57.110 --> 00:46:58.110
about rights then,
2108
00:46:58.270 --> 00:46:58.470
right?
2109
00:46:59.040 --> 00:46:59.110
You
2110
00:46:59.650 --> 00:47:00.530
you're stating that.
2111
00:47:00.730 --> 00:47:00.830
This
2112
00:47:01.040 --> 00:47:01.620
right to life
2113
00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:04.470
should take precedence over a woman's right to bodily autonomy.
2114
00:47:04.680 --> 00:47:05.860
That that is what you're saying.
2115
00:47:05.940 --> 00:47:06.030
No,
2116
00:47:06.160 --> 00:47:07.150
I'm saying that
2117
00:47:07.640 --> 00:47:10.460
her her autonomy comes into is not in question,
2118
00:47:10.600 --> 00:47:11.030
but she did,
2119
00:47:11.160 --> 00:47:11.280
she,
2120
00:47:11.320 --> 00:47:11.750
as a woman,
2121
00:47:11.800 --> 00:47:12.510
when you become pregnant,
2122
00:47:12.600 --> 00:47:12.990
you develop,
2123
00:47:13.200 --> 00:47:15.310
you develop a specialized obligation
2124
00:47:15.520 --> 00:47:16.430
to another organism.
2125
00:47:16.520 --> 00:47:18.950
That's what happens when a mother is carrying a fetus in her body.
2126
00:47:19.080 --> 00:47:20.200
When I was in my mother's stomach,
2127
00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:21.980
she carried a special obligation
2128
00:47:22.120 --> 00:47:23.540
to protect me
2129
00:47:23.720 --> 00:47:25.030
because I was inside of her body.
2130
00:47:25.160 --> 00:47:25.310
Yes,
2131
00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:25.710
I'm,
2132
00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:27.710
but I am still a separate organism.
2133
00:47:28.290 --> 00:47:28.630
Is that,
2134
00:47:28.650 --> 00:47:29.390
can we agree to that?
2135
00:47:29.410 --> 00:47:29.920
That's fine,
2136
00:47:30.050 --> 00:47:31.490
but the rights of the,
2137
00:47:31.610 --> 00:47:34.200
the host trump the rights of the fetus every time.
2138
00:47:34.250 --> 00:47:36.120
And what we are looking at the data,
2139
00:47:36.560 --> 00:47:38.640
states that have abortion bans and restrictions have
2140
00:47:38.640 --> 00:47:41.230
higher rates of maternal mortality and infant mortality.
2141
00:47:41.450 --> 00:47:42.120
So if the idea,
2142
00:47:42.290 --> 00:47:45.640
so if the idea here is again protecting the sanctity of human life,
2143
00:47:45.730 --> 00:47:49.540
why are we supporting legislation that's ultimately causing infants to suffer?
2144
00:47:50.090 --> 00:47:51.400
When you say ultimately how is.
2145
00:47:51.530 --> 00:47:51.760
OK,
2146
00:47:51.890 --> 00:47:53.600
how is an abortion ban calling in causing,
2147
00:47:53.650 --> 00:47:55.320
wait a minute because you said something very key.
2148
00:47:55.490 --> 00:47:56.910
How is an abortion ban causing
2149
00:47:57.050 --> 00:47:57.780
infants to suffer?
2150
00:47:57.930 --> 00:47:58.040
Well,
2151
00:47:58.090 --> 00:47:58.240
yeah,
2152
00:47:58.410 --> 00:48:00.000
so if we look at states like Texas
2153
00:48:00.050 --> 00:48:04.370
that don't have an exception for fetal abnormalities,
2154
00:48:04.610 --> 00:48:04.760
um,
2155
00:48:04.890 --> 00:48:07.520
those fetuses and those pregnancies are being forced to be
2156
00:48:07.520 --> 00:48:08.870
carried to term when they could have been terminated,
2157
00:48:08.890 --> 00:48:10.030
that's a little,
2158
00:48:10.090 --> 00:48:12.000
that's a little different because fetal abnormalities,
2159
00:48:12.050 --> 00:48:12.240
but see,
2160
00:48:12.290 --> 00:48:12.360
I'm,
2161
00:48:12.490 --> 00:48:13.070
I'm talking about,
2162
00:48:13.370 --> 00:48:13.590
remember,
2163
00:48:13.610 --> 00:48:14.640
I'm talking about elective abortion.
2164
00:48:15.130 --> 00:48:15.720
So we can't,
2165
00:48:15.810 --> 00:48:18.160
I'm not talking about something where the life of the mother is in question,
2166
00:48:18.490 --> 00:48:21.400
a victim of or where the health of the embryo of the mother is in question.
2167
00:48:21.490 --> 00:48:22.640
That that's a separate category
2168
00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:23.440
and by the way,
2169
00:48:23.570 --> 00:48:25.970
that only affects less than 6% of the population.
2170
00:48:26.090 --> 00:48:27.080
Universal health care,
2171
00:48:27.450 --> 00:48:28.200
affordable education,
2172
00:48:28.220 --> 00:48:29.080
and affordable housing.
2173
00:48:29.130 --> 00:48:29.390
Hold on,
2174
00:48:29.410 --> 00:48:29.590
hold on,
2175
00:48:29.610 --> 00:48:31.310
how much does a pack of condoms cost in this country?
2176
00:48:31.650 --> 00:48:31.960
About
2177
00:48:32.530 --> 00:48:33.560
$10 on a bad day.
2178
00:48:33.620 --> 00:48:34.520
If you want the Trojan Magnums,
2179
00:48:34.570 --> 00:48:36.170
it's about $10.10 to $12.
2180
00:48:36.570 --> 00:48:38.180
So if you know you're too poor to raise a kid up,
2181
00:48:38.300 --> 00:48:38.530
I told you.
2182
00:48:38.650 --> 00:48:42.220
I told y'all that it costs $286,000 at least to get a kid age 18.
2183
00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:43.470
If you don't want them problems,
2184
00:48:43.600 --> 00:48:44.950
wrap it up and tell the man you're sleeping with rep.
2185
00:48:45.190 --> 00:48:45.400
How hard
2186
00:48:45.550 --> 00:48:45.590
is that?
2187
00:48:45.630 --> 00:48:45.640
Yeah,
2188
00:48:45.720 --> 00:48:46.390
I don't disagree.
2189
00:48:46.560 --> 00:48:47.670
Everybody we don't
2190
00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:48.150
disagree.
2191
00:48:48.320 --> 00:48:48.500
Wait,
2192
00:48:48.560 --> 00:48:48.740
but,
2193
00:48:48.760 --> 00:48:50.350
but consequences happen,
2194
00:48:50.520 --> 00:48:50.670
right?
2195
00:48:50.820 --> 00:48:53.070
Even if you are doing everything the exact right way,
2196
00:48:53.160 --> 00:48:54.350
you can still get pregnant.
2197
00:48:54.400 --> 00:48:55.200
2% chance.
2198
00:48:55.240 --> 00:48:55.940
That's fine.
2199
00:48:56.600 --> 00:48:56.940
I reckon
2200
00:48:57.590 --> 00:48:57.870
it doesn't
2201
00:48:58.010 --> 00:48:58.020
matter.
2202
00:48:58.600 --> 00:48:59.830
You've been voted out by the majority.
2203
00:48:59.960 --> 00:49:00.480
Thank you.
2204
00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:01.290
Thank you.
2205
00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:01.830
Very good,
2206
00:49:01.890 --> 00:49:02.400
very good.
2207
00:49:05.350 --> 00:49:06.660
If you'd like to be the next debater,
2208
00:49:06.870 --> 00:49:10.500
please get to the chair in 321.
2209
00:49:13.110 --> 00:49:13.420
Oh,
2210
00:49:13.590 --> 00:49:15.370
let's see if I'm randomly based this time.
2211
00:49:16.030 --> 00:49:16.630
We'll see.
2212
00:49:16.950 --> 00:49:17.260
Um,
2213
00:49:17.670 --> 00:49:17.920
so yeah,
2214
00:49:17.950 --> 00:49:21.370
you talked about poor people and how they shouldn't have,
2215
00:49:21.390 --> 00:49:21.550
uh,
2216
00:49:21.710 --> 00:49:21.860
you,
2217
00:49:21.910 --> 00:49:22.350
I quote,
2218
00:49:22.510 --> 00:49:23.020
raw.
2219
00:49:23.430 --> 00:49:24.730
Why do you think poor people have raw?
2220
00:49:26.370 --> 00:49:26.790
I,
2221
00:49:27.140 --> 00:49:28.550
because they're because they're still gonna,
2222
00:49:28.580 --> 00:49:29.370
I mean they're human beings,
2223
00:49:29.420 --> 00:49:31.370
they're going to engage in that activity regardless.
2224
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:32.090
I mean human nature,
2225
00:49:32.900 --> 00:49:33.690
we're sinful creatures,
2226
00:49:33.740 --> 00:49:34.180
we do
2227
00:49:34.290 --> 00:49:35.930
things when we look at the data,
2228
00:49:36.020 --> 00:49:36.400
right,
2229
00:49:37.100 --> 00:49:40.870
poor people are overrepresented in people who have abortions that's going to
2230
00:49:41.060 --> 00:49:43.570
obviously more represent black people because of the history of this
2231
00:49:43.900 --> 00:49:44.230
country,
2232
00:49:44.420 --> 00:49:44.770
right?
2233
00:49:44.860 --> 00:49:45.330
100%.
2234
00:49:45.620 --> 00:49:46.780
Why do you think that is?
2235
00:49:47.680 --> 00:49:48.630
Restate the question.
2236
00:49:49.040 --> 00:49:50.570
Poor people are overrepresented
2237
00:49:50.680 --> 00:49:52.710
in individuals who have abortions.
2238
00:49:53.160 --> 00:49:54.070
Why do you think that is?
2239
00:49:54.150 --> 00:49:57.310
They're overrepresented because they have gotten pregnant and they cannot
2240
00:49:57.310 --> 00:49:59.100
afford to take care of the child that they've created.
2241
00:49:59.280 --> 00:49:59.550
OK,
2242
00:49:59.760 --> 00:50:00.100
so
2243
00:50:00.230 --> 00:50:01.990
the problem here that we're seeing is,
2244
00:50:02.040 --> 00:50:02.190
is,
2245
00:50:02.240 --> 00:50:03.210
is multifaceted,
2246
00:50:03.240 --> 00:50:05.540
and I think the problem is that you point the gun
2247
00:50:05.560 --> 00:50:08.060
at the people who are a product of a system.
2248
00:50:08.200 --> 00:50:11.350
This system that we're talking about is a capitalistic system.
2249
00:50:11.440 --> 00:50:11.750
OK,
2250
00:50:12.040 --> 00:50:13.220
so essentially
2251
00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:15.300
what happens is
2252
00:50:15.720 --> 00:50:16.270
when you're poor.
2253
00:50:16.930 --> 00:50:18.880
Your schools are funded by your property taxes,
2254
00:50:18.900 --> 00:50:19.200
OK?
2255
00:50:19.490 --> 00:50:21.530
When your schools are funded by your property taxes and it's an
2256
00:50:21.650 --> 00:50:22.550
impoverished area,
2257
00:50:22.820 --> 00:50:24.960
you're gonna have less literacy rates in general,
2258
00:50:25.090 --> 00:50:25.170
right?
2259
00:50:25.210 --> 00:50:26.420
You're gonna see a lower
2260
00:50:26.600 --> 00:50:30.000
kind of capacity of educational capacity.
2261
00:50:30.170 --> 00:50:32.470
That's why you're gonna see people on average
2262
00:50:32.730 --> 00:50:36.110
not only do you probably not want to spend the extra money on contraceptives,
2263
00:50:36.250 --> 00:50:39.150
but you don't have the literacy and the educative facilities
2264
00:50:39.330 --> 00:50:39.450
to,
2265
00:50:39.530 --> 00:50:39.920
to do that.
2266
00:50:40.010 --> 00:50:43.050
So why do you point the issue at the individuals if they're not
2267
00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:44.760
a product of context
2268
00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:45.110
because.
2269
00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:47.160
We are in 2026 Xena,
2270
00:50:47.180 --> 00:50:50.680
and there is no way today in 2026 black people are still overrepresented
2271
00:50:50.900 --> 00:50:52.230
in impoverished that
2272
00:50:52.500 --> 00:50:53.700
has nothing to do with what I'm about to say.
2273
00:50:53.900 --> 00:50:56.100
What I'm saying is that black people in this country
2274
00:50:56.500 --> 00:50:58.900
are the average black child reads at 1/4 grade level.
2275
00:50:59.180 --> 00:51:01.130
The average black girl reads at 1/6 grade level.
2276
00:51:01.420 --> 00:51:02.460
The average US citizen,
2277
00:51:02.620 --> 00:51:03.160
regardless of race,
2278
00:51:03.180 --> 00:51:03.980
reads at 1/6 grade level.
2279
00:51:04.060 --> 00:51:05.720
So we do have an education problem here.
2280
00:51:06.020 --> 00:51:08.160
What I'm saying is that there's no way today
2281
00:51:08.300 --> 00:51:10.090
that you can't access this information and know it.
2282
00:51:10.260 --> 00:51:12.320
So if you're not and and the and and poor people,
2283
00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:13.950
if you're too poor.
2284
00:51:14.170 --> 00:51:15.260
To make sure your rent is paid,
2285
00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:15.950
make sure you're,
2286
00:51:16.040 --> 00:51:16.240
you know,
2287
00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:17.900
you have food on the table and all of that.
2288
00:51:18.080 --> 00:51:20.350
You really just simply should not I'm
2289
00:51:20.560 --> 00:51:21.950
I'm not pointing the gun at it and this
2290
00:51:21.950 --> 00:51:23.580
has nothing to do with I'm hearing this shouldn't,
2291
00:51:23.620 --> 00:51:23.790
right?
2292
00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:26.650
I understand what you're saying is that certain things shouldn't happen.
2293
00:51:26.720 --> 00:51:28.370
I think everyone in this room is educated and
2294
00:51:28.370 --> 00:51:30.870
would understand that contraceptives are a great thing.
2295
00:51:31.080 --> 00:51:32.900
My thing is though is that
2296
00:51:33.060 --> 00:51:36.290
we're not seeing the facilities in place that would prompt someone
2297
00:51:36.430 --> 00:51:38.070
to go ahead and look for the help,
2298
00:51:38.160 --> 00:51:38.420
right?
2299
00:51:39.160 --> 00:51:39.430
Motivate.
2300
00:51:40.080 --> 00:51:42.120
comes from the ground in which you're bred,
2301
00:51:42.250 --> 00:51:42.580
OK?
2302
00:51:42.770 --> 00:51:43.750
When someone is
2303
00:51:43.890 --> 00:51:47.370
from a family who has come from a set of norms that's in proximity to wealth,
2304
00:51:47.560 --> 00:51:47.870
their
2305
00:51:48.010 --> 00:51:50.000
cultural understanding of things,
2306
00:51:50.170 --> 00:51:50.360
um,
2307
00:51:50.470 --> 00:51:50.870
their
2308
00:51:50.980 --> 00:51:54.160
actual inclination towards doing things can be drastically different from
2309
00:51:54.160 --> 00:51:56.510
someone who was born into cycles of generational poverty.
2310
00:51:56.530 --> 00:51:56.920
That's not true.
2311
00:51:57.190 --> 00:51:58.510
I can give you what are you talking about?
2312
00:51:58.930 --> 00:52:00.440
You don't believe in nature or nurture?
2313
00:52:00.490 --> 00:52:01.320
I believe in nature and nurture.
2314
00:52:01.490 --> 00:52:01.550
OK,
2315
00:52:01.650 --> 00:52:01.990
so that's what I'm talking
2316
00:52:02.200 --> 00:52:02.210
about.
2317
00:52:02.370 --> 00:52:02.560
OK,
2318
00:52:02.740 --> 00:52:02.840
cool.
2319
00:52:03.010 --> 00:52:04.760
Ben Carson was born dirt poor.
2320
00:52:05.270 --> 00:52:06.160
What's one person?
2321
00:52:06.310 --> 00:52:06.980
We're talking about systems.
2322
00:52:07.070 --> 00:52:07.610
Systems don't,
2323
00:52:08.150 --> 00:52:08.310
OK,
2324
00:52:08.670 --> 00:52:09.060
2 people,
2325
00:52:09.190 --> 00:52:09.750
3 people.
2326
00:52:10.390 --> 00:52:13.540
Individual instances do not brand the entire system
2327
00:52:13.540 --> 00:52:16.500
that produces poverty and then cultural illiteracy.
2328
00:52:16.710 --> 00:52:17.220
You understand that,
2329
00:52:17.270 --> 00:52:17.490
right?
2330
00:52:17.790 --> 00:52:20.020
You don't use individual examples to explain the trend.
2331
00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:25.040
It's possible but it's clearly not prompted for.
2332
00:52:25.100 --> 00:52:26.530
That's why we don't see it happening at mass.
2333
00:52:26.670 --> 00:52:28.900
Systems work in a way where it's inputs and outputs.
2334
00:52:28.950 --> 00:52:30.100
So of course you're gonna see some people,
2335
00:52:30.150 --> 00:52:30.710
for example,
2336
00:52:30.970 --> 00:52:32.480
It's like if I start twitch streaming tomorrow
2337
00:52:32.560 --> 00:52:34.160
there's a chance that I could become a millionaire
2338
00:52:34.280 --> 00:52:36.470
on average based on you know how things work,
2339
00:52:36.640 --> 00:52:37.580
the system works,
2340
00:52:38.080 --> 00:52:38.490
that's very,
2341
00:52:38.510 --> 00:52:39.270
very unlikely.
2342
00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:40.380
You're turning this into
2343
00:52:40.520 --> 00:52:43.630
a very Marxian the state versus I'm a Marxist.
2344
00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:44.630
I'm not a liberal.
2345
00:52:44.720 --> 00:52:45.500
Let me just say that.
2346
00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:46.350
I'm well aware.
2347
00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:46.870
I know
2348
00:52:47.600 --> 00:52:48.190
let's talk about it.
2349
00:52:48.240 --> 00:52:48.510
I know,
2350
00:52:48.600 --> 00:52:48.890
right.
2351
00:52:49.080 --> 00:52:50.790
The problem with Marx is that he first of all,
2352
00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:51.950
Marx didn't follow Hegel enough.
2353
00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:55.410
He took his dialectic but he left out his idealism and his spiritualism and then
2354
00:52:55.560 --> 00:52:56.670
Marx goes over to a German philosoph.
2355
00:52:56.820 --> 00:52:59.120
Of a brother named Aoyabor who takes his materialism
2356
00:52:59.120 --> 00:53:00.800
and turns it into this system that he calls dialect
2357
00:53:01.770 --> 00:53:03.730
which I reject because what Marx
2358
00:53:04.130 --> 00:53:06.390
ignores blatantly in this conversation,
2359
00:53:06.570 --> 00:53:08.870
his whole issue is that it's the state
2360
00:53:09.050 --> 00:53:09.950
against the little man
2361
00:53:10.450 --> 00:53:15.510
with which which is which doesn't actually work regardless of the economic system.
2362
00:53:15.890 --> 00:53:19.600
Sexual freedom does not mean does not is not an escape from sexual responsibility.
2363
00:53:19.680 --> 00:53:20.050
Xena
2364
00:53:20.210 --> 00:53:22.400
Marx never even addresses that I think you're still.
2365
00:53:22.700 --> 00:53:24.330
Not addressing the point that is that
2366
00:53:24.330 --> 00:53:26.730
systems create individuals that creates inclinations,
2367
00:53:26.940 --> 00:53:27.330
actions,
2368
00:53:27.380 --> 00:53:27.960
etc.
2369
00:53:28.070 --> 00:53:30.250
You're not addressing the fact that our
2370
00:53:30.250 --> 00:53:33.040
system has systematically created certain populations to be
2371
00:53:33.220 --> 00:53:33.940
on average
2372
00:53:34.100 --> 00:53:34.360
more,
2373
00:53:34.500 --> 00:53:34.650
you know,
2374
00:53:34.780 --> 00:53:36.740
impoverished and then in general their systems.
2375
00:53:36.860 --> 00:53:37.520
Let me ask you this question,
2376
00:53:37.980 --> 00:53:38.310
not to cut you off,
2377
00:53:38.380 --> 00:53:39.090
but let me ask you this question.
2378
00:53:39.420 --> 00:53:40.820
Have we lived in an easier,
2379
00:53:41.070 --> 00:53:41.270
have we,
2380
00:53:41.290 --> 00:53:43.490
have we lived in a better age where ease
2381
00:53:43.490 --> 00:53:46.440
the ease to access information is better now or
2382
00:53:46.900 --> 00:53:48.370
better does not mean equitable and.
2383
00:53:48.520 --> 00:53:50.070
And this also does not account for the fact that again
2384
00:53:50.740 --> 00:53:51.210
it's
2385
00:53:51.550 --> 00:53:52.900
that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be
2386
00:53:53.060 --> 00:53:53.390
first of all,
2387
00:53:53.600 --> 00:53:53.950
second of all,
2388
00:53:54.110 --> 00:53:55.340
can I answer your question though?
2389
00:53:55.550 --> 00:53:56.190
And second of all,
2390
00:53:56.270 --> 00:53:57.690
it doesn't account for the fact that
2391
00:53:57.840 --> 00:53:58.340
um Roe v.
2392
00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:02.040
Wade has been tampered with and with the statistics that Tashika Tashika sorry
2393
00:54:02.170 --> 00:54:06.320
brought up we've noticed that because of the way that our politics has been playing
2394
00:54:06.470 --> 00:54:08.570
with women's bodily autonomy we're seeing
2395
00:54:08.750 --> 00:54:09.780
more abortions happening,
2396
00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:10.100
right?
2397
00:54:10.230 --> 00:54:10.440
So
2398
00:54:10.590 --> 00:54:11.570
things being easier,
2399
00:54:11.670 --> 00:54:14.110
we have more access to information and as a result.
2400
00:54:14.410 --> 00:54:15.600
Much more distractions,
2401
00:54:15.730 --> 00:54:16.310
much more,
2402
00:54:16.450 --> 00:54:16.640
uh,
2403
00:54:17.080 --> 00:54:18.990
ads on our screens every single day.
2404
00:54:19.170 --> 00:54:22.520
Why do the most powerful people in our system seem to want people to,
2405
00:54:22.770 --> 00:54:23.000
you know,
2406
00:54:23.250 --> 00:54:26.440
pay for people to have more of sexually illicit content
2407
00:54:26.610 --> 00:54:28.080
in their faces all the time?
2408
00:54:28.650 --> 00:54:29.190
Things are not,
2409
00:54:29.290 --> 00:54:30.250
I wouldn't even say things are easier.
2410
00:54:30.330 --> 00:54:32.240
I'll tell you why that happens because the love of money is
2411
00:54:32.240 --> 00:54:33.720
the root of all evil and all I need to do,
2412
00:54:34.410 --> 00:54:34.990
all I need to do.
2413
00:54:35.010 --> 00:54:38.310
So why don't you blame the corporations that create the system
2414
00:54:38.410 --> 00:54:40.550
that cause people to act the way that they do?
2415
00:54:40.580 --> 00:54:41.280
Why do you not look at them.
2416
00:54:42.050 --> 00:54:43.270
because I don't think it's just the corporations.
2417
00:54:43.290 --> 00:54:44.640
I hold them accountable but it's not just,
2418
00:54:44.660 --> 00:54:46.160
but it's not just the corporations.
2419
00:54:46.300 --> 00:54:49.230
Money is one of the things that will change your life in ways that are
2420
00:54:49.370 --> 00:54:49.920
unimaginable.
2421
00:54:50.080 --> 00:54:53.160
One of the most greatest indicators of someone's difference in personality,
2422
00:54:53.250 --> 00:54:53.600
how they act,
2423
00:54:53.690 --> 00:54:54.200
how they function,
2424
00:54:54.330 --> 00:54:56.000
is going to be the class that they're in because the
2425
00:54:56.000 --> 00:54:58.080
class that you're in creates the culture that you're in.
2426
00:54:58.170 --> 00:54:58.380
So,
2427
00:54:58.410 --> 00:54:58.560
OK,
2428
00:54:58.810 --> 00:54:59.170
but
2429
00:54:59.370 --> 00:55:00.670
before we get to economic class,
2430
00:55:00.810 --> 00:55:02.520
we get to that's the whole conversation actually.
2431
00:55:02.620 --> 00:55:02.640
No,
2432
00:55:02.690 --> 00:55:03.820
it's not because
2433
00:55:03.940 --> 00:55:07.280
70% of women who have abortions are low income.
2434
00:55:07.330 --> 00:55:07.530
So
2435
00:55:07.650 --> 00:55:08.310
that's going to.
2436
00:55:08.540 --> 00:55:11.200
What I said with the previous speaker that all of that is avoidable.
2437
00:55:11.290 --> 00:55:11.880
So wait a minute,
2438
00:55:12.010 --> 00:55:13.030
if you can afford
2439
00:55:13.680 --> 00:55:14.440
all of that is avoidable.
2440
00:55:14.530 --> 00:55:14.840
Listen,
2441
00:55:15.130 --> 00:55:15.300
before,
2442
00:55:15.370 --> 00:55:15.880
on average,
2443
00:55:16.090 --> 00:55:16.960
before a woman has sex,
2444
00:55:17.010 --> 00:55:17.320
unless,
2445
00:55:17.410 --> 00:55:20.370
unless she's just it's about the knowing to get the contraceptives.
2446
00:55:20.410 --> 00:55:20.770
It's about the
2447
00:55:21.120 --> 00:55:21.200
education
2448
00:55:21.350 --> 00:55:22.480
and what I'm saying is on a typical,
2449
00:55:22.570 --> 00:55:23.320
on a typical,
2450
00:55:23.530 --> 00:55:24.830
if we take two random individuals,
2451
00:55:24.890 --> 00:55:26.910
unless the woman is an OnlyFans model or a prostitute
2452
00:55:27.130 --> 00:55:28.240
before she sleeps with a man,
2453
00:55:28.290 --> 00:55:28.790
he's
2454
00:55:29.170 --> 00:55:29.550
courted her,
2455
00:55:29.570 --> 00:55:30.360
he's taken her on dates,
2456
00:55:30.390 --> 00:55:30.860
he's done something.
2457
00:55:30.890 --> 00:55:31.220
So if,
2458
00:55:31.240 --> 00:55:32.500
if within that process
2459
00:55:32.690 --> 00:55:35.480
you can't find a way to go to a Kwik E Mart or well not a Kwik E Mart.
2460
00:55:35.620 --> 00:55:36.950
You can't find a way to go with Texaco,
2461
00:55:37.210 --> 00:55:39.400
QuikTrip something and pick up a pack of Trojans.
2462
00:55:39.490 --> 00:55:41.280
It's not just about getting the Trojan.
2463
00:55:41.330 --> 00:55:43.840
It's about the knowing of the fact this is super important.
2464
00:55:43.930 --> 00:55:45.700
It's about the trends of your culture
2465
00:55:46.730 --> 00:55:47.400
and even still,
2466
00:55:47.490 --> 00:55:49.200
human beings know when you have sex you have
2467
00:55:49.200 --> 00:55:50.850
a chance to produce babies just like when you
2468
00:55:50.970 --> 00:55:51.600
know when you get in
2469
00:55:51.800 --> 00:55:52.960
you got a chance to get in an accent.
2470
00:55:54.730 --> 00:55:55.030
OK,
2471
00:55:55.270 --> 00:55:55.680
while
2472
00:55:55.910 --> 00:55:56.320
Roe v.
2473
00:55:56.450 --> 00:55:56.760
Wade,
2474
00:55:56.850 --> 00:55:57.080
right,
2475
00:55:57.460 --> 00:55:58.400
protected sex ed,
2476
00:55:58.490 --> 00:55:58.560
right,
2477
00:55:58.610 --> 00:55:59.790
when we see tampering,
2478
00:56:00.040 --> 00:56:00.490
can I finish?
2479
00:56:00.730 --> 00:56:02.010
You're you're talking over me again,
2480
00:56:02.300 --> 00:56:02.600
respectfully.
2481
00:56:03.170 --> 00:56:03.400
OK,
2482
00:56:03.610 --> 00:56:04.460
so not really
2483
00:56:04.610 --> 00:56:04.960
you are,
2484
00:56:05.050 --> 00:56:05.480
but anyway,
2485
00:56:05.570 --> 00:56:05.950
um,
2486
00:56:06.180 --> 00:56:08.310
when we look at sexual education in,
2487
00:56:08.510 --> 00:56:08.950
um,
2488
00:56:09.210 --> 00:56:11.670
areas where property taxes are funding,
2489
00:56:11.770 --> 00:56:12.070
right,
2490
00:56:12.230 --> 00:56:13.120
their education,
2491
00:56:13.210 --> 00:56:13.480
right,
2492
00:56:13.770 --> 00:56:15.440
maybe someone learned the pullout method,
2493
00:56:15.530 --> 00:56:15.690
right?
2494
00:56:15.730 --> 00:56:16.820
Maybe somebody learned,
2495
00:56:17.030 --> 00:56:18.720
especially in the fact that like you're gonna have more
2496
00:56:18.720 --> 00:56:21.590
mistrust of your institutions when you're in an impoverished area.
2497
00:56:21.940 --> 00:56:23.710
Someone has less access
2498
00:56:23.820 --> 00:56:24.670
to the literacy,
2499
00:56:24.690 --> 00:56:27.590
sexual literacy than someone who's going to a private
2500
00:56:27.590 --> 00:56:29.600
school and the daughter of like a congressman.
2501
00:56:29.780 --> 00:56:30.430
So I'll give you this.
2502
00:56:30.690 --> 00:56:32.160
Let that particular section of Roe v.
2503
00:56:32.250 --> 00:56:35.000
Wade where where I'm assuming you're saying that there was a section in Roe v.
2504
00:56:35.100 --> 00:56:37.160
Wade where sex education was made mandatory at the federal level.
2505
00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:37.480
Is that,
2506
00:56:37.610 --> 00:56:38.030
is that?
2507
00:56:38.050 --> 00:56:38.130
Well,
2508
00:56:38.290 --> 00:56:39.510
we're just sex education
2509
00:56:39.730 --> 00:56:41.680
provided protections not just for abortion but
2510
00:56:41.680 --> 00:56:43.510
also for sexual education to push that,
2511
00:56:43.530 --> 00:56:43.910
etc.
2512
00:56:44.210 --> 00:56:47.720
So I would be fine with sexual education being mandatory across the country.
2513
00:56:47.810 --> 00:56:49.630
I wouldn't that wouldn't that sounds great,
2514
00:56:49.810 --> 00:56:49.990
right?
2515
00:56:50.090 --> 00:56:51.760
So I think to tailor
2516
00:56:52.450 --> 00:56:53.180
we're out of time.
2517
00:56:53.270 --> 00:56:54.230
Can I finish my statement?
2518
00:56:54.350 --> 00:56:54.660
Yeah.
2519
00:56:55.210 --> 00:56:56.720
To tailor your statement.
2520
00:56:57.610 --> 00:56:59.830
Abortion is a product of a system,
2521
00:57:00.210 --> 00:57:00.430
right?
2522
00:57:01.290 --> 00:57:01.560
OK,
2523
00:57:01.770 --> 00:57:02.240
yes,
2524
00:57:02.370 --> 00:57:06.670
but it's a product of a system that does not address the economic inequality
2525
00:57:06.810 --> 00:57:07.190
that
2526
00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:09.790
for the most part brown and people face the brunt of.
2527
00:57:10.060 --> 00:57:11.040
Can you unders can you accept that?
2528
00:57:11.090 --> 00:57:11.200
I mean,
2529
00:57:11.290 --> 00:57:11.320
I,
2530
00:57:11.450 --> 00:57:11.950
I know that.
2531
00:57:11.970 --> 00:57:14.140
That's why I'm saying because we understand the problems,
2532
00:57:14.530 --> 00:57:15.430
wrap it up.
2533
00:57:15.910 --> 00:57:17.030
Going back to that same principle.
2534
00:57:17.660 --> 00:57:17.970
OK,
2535
00:57:18.480 --> 00:57:18.920
got a lot to learn.
2536
00:57:19.040 --> 00:57:19.900
Thank you so much.
2537
00:57:24.090 --> 00:57:27.720
My next surrounding claim is that civil rights were won with Bibles and churches,
2538
00:57:27.850 --> 00:57:29.360
not pronouns and DEI.
2539
00:57:29.610 --> 00:57:31.080
If you would like to be the first debater,
2540
00:57:31.210 --> 00:57:34.800
please get to the chair in 321.
2541
00:57:37.610 --> 00:57:38.130
Zippy,
2542
00:57:38.250 --> 00:57:39.260
it helps to be in track.
2543
00:57:40.220 --> 00:57:40.230
Oh,
2544
00:57:40.370 --> 00:57:41.160
my sister ran that.
2545
00:57:41.250 --> 00:57:41.490
How are you?
2546
00:57:41.510 --> 00:57:41.880
I'm awesome.
2547
00:57:41.970 --> 00:57:42.680
I'm doing good.
2548
00:57:42.770 --> 00:57:43.170
What's your name?
2549
00:57:43.340 --> 00:57:43.880
I'm Gabriel.
2550
00:57:43.930 --> 00:57:44.320
Nice to meet you,
2551
00:57:44.340 --> 00:57:44.750
Gabriel.
2552
00:57:44.850 --> 00:57:46.560
So I think my
2553
00:57:47.070 --> 00:57:48.650
issue with the framing of this question
2554
00:57:48.840 --> 00:57:50.390
is more of the fact that,
2555
00:57:51.170 --> 00:57:51.480
firstly,
2556
00:57:51.570 --> 00:57:52.640
DEI and pronouns,
2557
00:57:52.690 --> 00:57:53.880
I would not argue like,
2558
00:57:54.030 --> 00:57:54.160
yes,
2559
00:57:54.250 --> 00:57:54.560
of course,
2560
00:57:54.650 --> 00:57:55.960
they didn't necessarily win civil rights,
2561
00:57:56.050 --> 00:57:59.470
but they are the they are the result of civil rights that are being won.
2562
00:57:59.650 --> 00:58:01.940
Like DEI is literally the actualization,
2563
00:58:01.970 --> 00:58:02.510
the cement,
2564
00:58:02.610 --> 00:58:03.280
like cementing.
2565
00:58:03.880 --> 00:58:04.090
Uh,
2566
00:58:04.260 --> 00:58:06.900
the protections of black people and other such people
2567
00:58:07.080 --> 00:58:07.930
in the workplace,
2568
00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:08.490
in government,
2569
00:58:08.600 --> 00:58:08.800
making
2570
00:58:08.930 --> 00:58:09.180
sure that,
2571
00:58:09.360 --> 00:58:11.560
who's the number one benefactor for DEI initiatives?
2572
00:58:11.720 --> 00:58:12.100
White women,
2573
00:58:12.280 --> 00:58:12.540
right?
2574
00:58:12.690 --> 00:58:13.550
So which didn't do
2575
00:58:13.680 --> 00:58:14.290
for my people.
2576
00:58:14.640 --> 00:58:14.750
Well,
2577
00:58:14.840 --> 00:58:16.670
it's not necessarily that it do anything for your people.
2578
00:58:16.720 --> 00:58:20.190
It's 3% of all DEI hires in the last one of the last major
2579
00:58:20.190 --> 00:58:23.200
reported studies showed that black people only made up 3% of all DEI hires.
2580
00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:23.660
Over
2581
00:58:23.960 --> 00:58:25.600
over 50% were made up of white women.
2582
00:58:25.880 --> 00:58:27.200
Civil rights was the black,
2583
00:58:27.240 --> 00:58:28.470
and I'm obviously we're talking about
2584
00:58:28.720 --> 00:58:29.260
civil rights,
2585
00:58:29.480 --> 00:58:29.850
so.
2586
00:58:30.100 --> 00:58:30.330
The,
2587
00:58:30.350 --> 00:58:30.610
the,
2588
00:58:30.870 --> 00:58:31.020
the,
2589
00:58:31.110 --> 00:58:31.960
you just said it.
2590
00:58:32.150 --> 00:58:33.660
DEI was a result,
2591
00:58:33.990 --> 00:58:34.210
uh,
2592
00:58:34.360 --> 00:58:34.530
and,
2593
00:58:34.550 --> 00:58:38.370
and an improperly used result of work that was done by Martin Luther King Jr.
2594
00:58:38.710 --> 00:58:39.410
Medgar Evers,
2595
00:58:39.990 --> 00:58:40.100
A.
2596
00:58:40.150 --> 00:58:40.910
Philip Randolph,
2597
00:58:41.150 --> 00:58:41.180
uh,
2598
00:58:41.350 --> 00:58:42.230
Adam Clayton Powell Jr.
2599
00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:42.900
Malcolm X,
2600
00:58:43.110 --> 00:58:45.040
and what is the foundation of that movement,
2601
00:58:45.070 --> 00:58:46.060
and this is what the left loves to do.
2602
00:58:46.110 --> 00:58:48.500
The left loves to borrow the moral fruit of my religion,
2603
00:58:48.600 --> 00:58:49.220
Christianity,
2604
00:58:49.430 --> 00:58:51.850
while rejecting the root of that religion in and of itself.
2605
00:58:51.950 --> 00:58:52.380
And actually,
2606
00:58:52.430 --> 00:58:54.180
I don't want to dispute at all the,
2607
00:58:54.250 --> 00:58:56.140
the role of the black church because I think the black.
2608
00:58:56.510 --> 00:58:56.880
Obviously
2609
00:58:57.140 --> 00:59:00.510
saying that the black church wasn't involved at all or essential to the movement
2610
00:59:00.620 --> 00:59:01.700
would be a ridiculous claim.
2611
00:59:01.860 --> 00:59:05.680
But I think uh my issue with the framing of this of this would be probably that
2612
00:59:05.820 --> 00:59:09.040
the people that were essential to the establishment of the civil rights,
2613
00:59:09.060 --> 00:59:10.060
like MLK,
2614
00:59:10.660 --> 00:59:11.210
Malcolm X,
2615
00:59:11.480 --> 00:59:12.360
all of these people,
2616
00:59:12.570 --> 00:59:14.760
they would probably be the people that
2617
00:59:15.070 --> 00:59:17.410
today the conservative movement would or the religious movement
2618
00:59:17.410 --> 00:59:19.840
would likely view as traitors or people that,
2619
00:59:20.180 --> 00:59:20.250
yes,
2620
00:59:20.460 --> 00:59:22.930
because Malcolm X already Malcolm X was no liberal and Martin Luther King wasn't.
2621
00:59:23.610 --> 00:59:23.680
Yeah,
2622
00:59:23.770 --> 00:59:24.750
but that's my point,
2623
00:59:24.880 --> 00:59:27.000
because the modern conservative movement and the
2624
00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:28.750
modern religious movement as it is,
2625
00:59:28.770 --> 00:59:29.800
because they're kind of intertwined,
2626
00:59:29.820 --> 00:59:30.710
unfortunately,
2627
00:59:30.930 --> 00:59:31.280
um,
2628
00:59:31.610 --> 00:59:33.110
they kind of established that like,
2629
00:59:33.210 --> 00:59:33.510
um,
2630
00:59:33.820 --> 00:59:34.840
especially with like MAGA,
2631
00:59:35.010 --> 00:59:36.280
like anti-Christianity,
2632
00:59:36.570 --> 00:59:38.680
like anti anti-capitalism,
2633
00:59:38.970 --> 00:59:42.240
anything like that is considered to be like this big evil thing.
2634
00:59:42.260 --> 00:59:43.520
And we have reports like,
2635
00:59:43.570 --> 00:59:44.000
for example,
2636
00:59:44.090 --> 00:59:44.880
or like even like
2637
00:59:45.010 --> 00:59:46.480
Islamophobia is a big problem.
2638
00:59:46.570 --> 00:59:46.680
Like,
2639
00:59:46.890 --> 00:59:47.260
for example,
2640
00:59:47.480 --> 00:59:47.710
you know,
2641
00:59:47.730 --> 00:59:49.520
this like Malcolm X was a big Muslim.
2642
00:59:49.640 --> 00:59:51.800
He was um very much like very strong,
2643
00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:52.710
not a liberal,
2644
00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:53.830
not a conservative.
2645
00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:55.100
He was a strong leftist.
2646
00:59:55.440 --> 00:59:55.930
And that's
2647
00:59:56.160 --> 00:59:57.070
like he was a leftist.
2648
00:59:57.170 --> 00:59:57.350
So wait,
2649
00:59:57.400 --> 00:59:57.710
wait,
2650
00:59:57.760 --> 00:59:57.830
wait,
2651
00:59:57.880 --> 00:59:58.230
wait,
2652
00:59:58.280 --> 00:59:58.400
wait,
2653
00:59:58.530 --> 00:59:58.540
wait,
2654
00:59:58.950 --> 00:59:58.960
wait.
2655
00:59:59.210 --> 01:00:00.310
Malcolm was not a leftist,
2656
01:00:00.390 --> 01:00:02.070
but that just historically is inaccurate.
2657
01:00:02.120 --> 01:00:04.300
He literally said that the liberal is the greatest enemy
2658
01:00:04.440 --> 01:00:05.510
of black people in this country.
2659
01:00:05.600 --> 01:00:06.010
But that's the thing,
2660
01:00:06.140 --> 01:00:06.990
those are his words,
2661
01:00:07.110 --> 01:00:10.110
not so I would disagree on the use of liberal as a term for the left.
2662
01:00:10.220 --> 01:00:10.670
I would,
2663
01:00:11.400 --> 01:00:11.950
Malcolm wouldn't.
2664
01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:13.190
I'm not using his definition.
2665
01:00:13.360 --> 01:00:18.720
He said if you can vote as black people for a a A party that has controlled 2/3 of
2666
01:00:18.720 --> 01:00:20.320
the house of government and yet they've done nothing
2667
01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:22.200
for black Americans and you continue to support them,
2668
01:00:22.250 --> 01:00:25.110
you are a traitor to your race and you are a house negro.
2669
01:00:25.370 --> 01:00:25.460
Yeah,
2670
01:00:25.580 --> 01:00:25.640
I,
2671
01:00:25.810 --> 01:00:25.950
in
2672
01:00:26.250 --> 01:00:26.740
his words,
2673
01:00:26.860 --> 01:00:27.080
yes,
2674
01:00:27.210 --> 01:00:29.480
but what is the difference between the application of that,
2675
01:00:29.570 --> 01:00:31.600
what is the difference of the Liberal Party of the 1960s,
2676
01:00:31.650 --> 01:00:32.200
their platform
2677
01:00:32.450 --> 01:00:33.210
versus today?
2678
01:00:33.450 --> 01:00:34.270
There's almost no difference.
2679
01:00:34.490 --> 01:00:34.640
Also,
2680
01:00:35.670 --> 01:00:37.000
you've been voted out by the majority.
2681
01:00:37.170 --> 01:00:38.000
Thank you so much.
2682
01:00:38.170 --> 01:00:38.870
Thank you very much.
2683
01:00:40.450 --> 01:00:41.770
If you would like to be the next debater,
2684
01:00:41.930 --> 01:00:45.430
please get to the chair in 321.
2685
01:00:48.630 --> 01:00:49.380
Good to see you again.
2686
01:00:50.290 --> 01:00:50.710
Um,
2687
01:00:50.900 --> 01:00:51.240
OK,
2688
01:00:51.410 --> 01:00:53.040
I do want to clear up something that you said in your earlier,
2689
01:00:53.210 --> 01:00:53.300
uh,
2690
01:00:53.610 --> 01:00:56.040
conversation that Malcolm X was never anti-capitalist.
2691
01:00:56.450 --> 01:00:57.080
That's not true.
2692
01:00:57.310 --> 01:00:57.600
Um,
2693
01:00:57.850 --> 01:01:01.060
after Malcolm X traversed through African countries,
2694
01:01:01.170 --> 01:01:02.070
he realized
2695
01:01:02.290 --> 01:01:04.360
that the propping up of capitalist countries
2696
01:01:04.360 --> 01:01:06.670
can only happen if they extract values,
2697
01:01:06.930 --> 01:01:08.000
valuable resources,
2698
01:01:08.090 --> 01:01:08.330
um,
2699
01:01:08.610 --> 01:01:10.200
from colonized countries,
2700
01:01:10.450 --> 01:01:10.560
um,
2701
01:01:10.730 --> 01:01:12.440
from third world countries what we call them today,
2702
01:01:12.610 --> 01:01:13.430
identify the flaws.
2703
01:01:13.630 --> 01:01:14.530
He specifically said,
2704
01:01:14.660 --> 01:01:14.730
no,
2705
01:01:14.780 --> 01:01:15.510
he specifically said
2706
01:01:15.620 --> 01:01:16.840
you show me a capitalist,
2707
01:01:16.980 --> 01:01:18.090
I show you a bloodsucker.
2708
01:01:18.180 --> 01:01:18.470
In
2709
01:01:18.820 --> 01:01:20.370
nature he was anti-capitalist
2710
01:01:20.500 --> 01:01:21.090
to start there.
2711
01:01:21.350 --> 01:01:22.200
Do you recognize that?
2712
01:01:22.220 --> 01:01:22.510
No,
2713
01:01:22.770 --> 01:01:24.330
because I identify he identified himself as
2714
01:01:24.330 --> 01:01:26.990
a black nationalism black nationalism is not incompatible
2715
01:01:27.180 --> 01:01:28.250
with anti-capitalism.
2716
01:01:28.340 --> 01:01:29.000
You recognize that.
2717
01:01:29.350 --> 01:01:30.830
Capitalism is an economic system.
2718
01:01:30.990 --> 01:01:31.370
Well,
2719
01:01:31.690 --> 01:01:34.730
Malcolm Malcolm X is never on record self-identifying as a communist,
2720
01:01:34.780 --> 01:01:35.780
so that's what you're engaging
2721
01:01:35.930 --> 01:01:35.940
in.
2722
01:01:36.030 --> 01:01:36.710
We can fact check it.
2723
01:01:37.040 --> 01:01:38.580
I can't wait to see that fact check because he said
2724
01:01:38.580 --> 01:01:40.380
it's showing you a saying that someone is a bloodsucker.
2725
01:01:40.430 --> 01:01:41.580
I mean I could tell you that politics is a
2726
01:01:41.580 --> 01:01:43.350
combination of two words poly which is great for me
2727
01:01:43.510 --> 01:01:43.780
how about this?
2728
01:01:43.800 --> 01:01:45.490
What do you think capitalism is?
2729
01:01:46.230 --> 01:01:46.710
What do you mean?
2730
01:01:46.750 --> 01:01:47.660
What do I think capitalism is?
2731
01:01:47.750 --> 01:01:50.330
I think it's a it's a laissez-faire free market economy.
2732
01:01:50.430 --> 01:01:52.060
We don't have capitalism in the United States right now,
2733
01:01:52.110 --> 01:01:52.980
we have a mixed economy.
2734
01:01:53.030 --> 01:01:54.990
What's the specific difference between capitalism?
2735
01:01:55.110 --> 01:01:55.260
OK,
2736
01:01:55.310 --> 01:01:56.780
we have to focus on the
2737
01:01:57.430 --> 01:01:57.690
claim.
2738
01:01:57.990 --> 01:02:00.340
I don't want to talk about I think it's important though because we're
2739
01:02:00.450 --> 01:02:02.430
Talking about the values of the civil rights movement,
2740
01:02:02.640 --> 01:02:03.190
where it comes from,
2741
01:02:03.280 --> 01:02:03.950
what it supports,
2742
01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:04.230
right?
2743
01:02:04.470 --> 01:02:06.190
This was to create an equitable society.
2744
01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:07.340
I don't think that you can do that
2745
01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:11.630
with when when in a system that extracts resources from other individuals.
2746
01:02:11.680 --> 01:02:12.350
What's funny about that?
2747
01:02:12.440 --> 01:02:14.030
Because you keep talking about extracting of wealth.
2748
01:02:14.200 --> 01:02:16.430
What was the founding principle of the civil rights movement,
2749
01:02:16.450 --> 01:02:16.830
Xena?
2750
01:02:16.980 --> 01:02:19.680
To establish an equitable society on a racial basis
2751
01:02:20.520 --> 01:02:23.040
rooted in that value of equitability rooted in what?
2752
01:02:23.080 --> 01:02:23.630
Equity.
2753
01:02:25.980 --> 01:02:26.080
Are
2754
01:02:26.210 --> 01:02:27.010
you trying to make me
2755
01:02:27.290 --> 01:02:31.020
conform to some objective morality to say that people should have equal rights?
2756
01:02:31.690 --> 01:02:32.720
I'm not trying to make you conform
2757
01:02:32.890 --> 01:02:33.080
to it.
2758
01:02:33.170 --> 01:02:34.480
I'm gonna say that that's what the case is.
2759
01:02:34.630 --> 01:02:35.200
Martin Luther King
2760
01:02:36.150 --> 01:02:37.420
Martin Luther King made the statement
2761
01:02:37.530 --> 01:02:40.080
that all we say to America is be true to what you're saying on paper.
2762
01:02:40.570 --> 01:02:42.540
Which is that somewhere where the freedom of speech,
2763
01:02:42.770 --> 01:02:44.370
freedom of freedom of assembly,
2764
01:02:44.850 --> 01:02:46.920
and that the greatness of America is the right to protest right.
2765
01:02:46.970 --> 01:02:48.990
He's making a larger ontological appeal
2766
01:02:49.170 --> 01:02:49.610
to
2767
01:02:49.750 --> 01:02:51.040
a lot of waffling there.
2768
01:02:51.170 --> 01:02:51.910
I'm not gonna lie to you.
2769
01:02:52.570 --> 01:02:52.970
What was he?
2770
01:02:53.130 --> 01:02:54.090
What do you mean what was he?
2771
01:02:54.430 --> 01:02:54.440
What
2772
01:02:54.630 --> 01:02:55.410
was his occupation?
2773
01:02:56.540 --> 01:02:56.860
Jesus
2774
01:02:57.040 --> 01:02:57.190
Christ.
2775
01:02:59.950 --> 01:03:00.640
That's a better question.
2776
01:03:03.270 --> 01:03:04.230
He was a Baptist preacher.
2777
01:03:04.270 --> 01:03:04.720
You just don't
2778
01:03:05.030 --> 01:03:05.360
say it.
2779
01:03:09.080 --> 01:03:09.420
Obviously
2780
01:03:09.710 --> 01:03:10.090
you didn't
2781
01:03:10.310 --> 01:03:10.570
say that
2782
01:03:11.350 --> 01:03:11.380
he
2783
01:03:12.080 --> 01:03:12.260
was a
2784
01:03:12.380 --> 01:03:12.660
human being.
2785
01:03:12.910 --> 01:03:13.650
You asked me what he
2786
01:03:14.110 --> 01:03:14.940
asked me what his occupation.
2787
01:03:17.080 --> 01:03:17.220
You gotta
2788
01:03:17.490 --> 01:03:17.880
stop that.
2789
01:03:18.620 --> 01:03:19.030
Um,
2790
01:03:19.280 --> 01:03:22.180
there's nothing wrong with supporting this idea that we should,
2791
01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:22.710
you know,
2792
01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:24.270
values that are good are values that are good.
2793
01:03:24.320 --> 01:03:24.960
However,
2794
01:03:25.240 --> 01:03:27.310
you have to actually isolate what is this
2795
01:03:27.310 --> 01:03:29.600
quality of the black church that you believe
2796
01:03:29.740 --> 01:03:31.220
actually pushed us to,
2797
01:03:31.360 --> 01:03:31.700
um,
2798
01:03:32.600 --> 01:03:32.790
OK,
2799
01:03:33.040 --> 01:03:34.160
specifically what about the Bible?
2800
01:03:34.560 --> 01:03:35.410
The belief that all men
2801
01:03:35.510 --> 01:03:36.680
are made in the image of God and
2802
01:03:37.640 --> 01:03:40.700
as a result of being made in the image of God you're entitled to certain rights
2803
01:03:40.920 --> 01:03:41.780
that are intrinsic
2804
01:03:42.160 --> 01:03:43.090
objectively intrinsic
2805
01:03:44.160 --> 01:03:44.820
Deuteronomy,
2806
01:03:44.840 --> 01:03:45.120
is that how you
2807
01:03:45.240 --> 01:03:45.270
say it?
2808
01:03:46.180 --> 01:03:46.450
Thank you.
2809
01:03:46.580 --> 01:03:47.870
21 1014.
2810
01:03:47.980 --> 01:03:48.680
Do you know what that,
2811
01:03:48.750 --> 01:03:49.000
um,
2812
01:03:49.020 --> 01:03:49.850
those verses say?
2813
01:03:50.180 --> 01:03:51.020
Not right off the top of my head.
2814
01:03:51.140 --> 01:03:51.250
OK,
2815
01:03:51.340 --> 01:03:51.550
cool.
2816
01:03:51.700 --> 01:03:53.960
So they basically talk about how God
2817
01:03:54.140 --> 01:03:55.920
affirms your ability to
2818
01:03:56.160 --> 01:03:56.530
take,
2819
01:03:56.580 --> 01:03:56.880
um,
2820
01:03:56.900 --> 01:04:00.060
a woman captive if you go to war with her with their country,
2821
01:04:00.180 --> 01:04:01.210
and you can take her,
2822
01:04:01.380 --> 01:04:03.890
have her mourn her father for a month,
2823
01:04:03.980 --> 01:04:04.520
and then
2824
01:04:04.730 --> 01:04:05.370
you have a wife,
2825
01:04:05.490 --> 01:04:05.610
right?
2826
01:04:05.660 --> 01:04:06.400
It also there are other,
2827
01:04:06.420 --> 01:04:06.530
um,
2828
01:04:06.660 --> 01:04:06.990
what is it?
2829
01:04:07.100 --> 01:04:08.210
Ephesians 6:5.
2830
01:04:08.540 --> 01:04:10.570
Ephesians 6:5 also is New Testament
2831
01:04:10.790 --> 01:04:10.930
which
2832
01:04:11.220 --> 01:04:11.650
I'm not done.
2833
01:04:11.700 --> 01:04:12.320
I'm not done.
2834
01:04:13.290 --> 01:04:14.870
Nothing to do with the fact that you're you're not gonna
2835
01:04:16.420 --> 01:04:16.430
like
2836
01:04:16.560 --> 01:04:17.030
what's your problem,
2837
01:04:17.070 --> 01:04:17.430
bro?
2838
01:04:17.600 --> 01:04:17.870
Anyway,
2839
01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:19.010
Ephesians 6:5,
2840
01:04:19.080 --> 01:04:19.800
New Testament,
2841
01:04:20.120 --> 01:04:21.780
another verse that affirms
2842
01:04:21.920 --> 01:04:23.970
one's ability to hold slaves.
2843
01:04:24.080 --> 01:04:25.880
That is a value that is directly
2844
01:04:26.150 --> 01:04:27.150
quoted from the Bible.
2845
01:04:27.280 --> 01:04:30.160
Are those the values that civil rights movement would have proposed?
2846
01:04:30.240 --> 01:04:32.020
So what you're doing is engaging in what's called
2847
01:04:32.240 --> 01:04:34.030
I'm gonna tell you what you're doing so you don't want me to interrupt you,
2848
01:04:34.050 --> 01:04:34.600
but you're gonna interrupt me.
2849
01:04:35.170 --> 01:04:35.550
That's what I'm doing.
2850
01:04:35.600 --> 01:04:38.230
You're you're engaging in the borrowed capital fallacy because you're an
2851
01:04:38.230 --> 01:04:39.870
atheist and now you're trying to tell me how to interpret.
2852
01:04:41.110 --> 01:04:41.660
You're OK,
2853
01:04:41.990 --> 01:04:42.510
we're even better.
2854
01:04:42.630 --> 01:04:43.140
You don't even,
2855
01:04:43.230 --> 01:04:43.720
you don't know,
2856
01:04:43.750 --> 01:04:45.250
you don't know definitively whether or not there is a God,
2857
01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:46.860
so you're still engaging in the borrowed capital fallacy.
2858
01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:48.340
You don't believe in the Bible.
2859
01:04:48.470 --> 01:04:49.950
You don't believe in the Bible
2860
01:04:50.230 --> 01:04:51.900
Deuteronomy
2861
01:04:52.470 --> 01:04:52.810
or not?
2862
01:04:53.190 --> 01:04:54.260
It said that under the mosaic,
2863
01:04:54.530 --> 01:04:55.660
it said that under the mosaic
2864
01:04:56.110 --> 01:04:56.170
woman
2865
01:04:56.470 --> 01:04:57.960
as a captive and make her his wife.
2866
01:04:57.990 --> 01:04:59.420
Within the confines of the book of Deuteronomy,
2867
01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:00.290
since you want to go about the Bible,
2868
01:05:00.820 --> 01:05:01.130
what is that?
2869
01:05:01.150 --> 01:05:01.340
OK,
2870
01:05:01.390 --> 01:05:01.560
right,
2871
01:05:01.590 --> 01:05:02.190
let's do that now.
2872
01:05:02.310 --> 01:05:04.260
So that's that's an institution of the Mosaic law,
2873
01:05:04.350 --> 01:05:04.690
right?
2874
01:05:05.120 --> 01:05:05.740
When did the Mosaic
2875
01:05:05.870 --> 01:05:06.970
Was the Mosaic law established?
2876
01:05:07.060 --> 01:05:08.530
Can you affirm the question I asked?
2877
01:05:08.710 --> 01:05:09.450
I'm answering the question.
2878
01:05:09.540 --> 01:05:10.610
I did the Bible,
2879
01:05:10.780 --> 01:05:10.850
yes,
2880
01:05:10.940 --> 01:05:11.440
it says that.
2881
01:05:11.460 --> 01:05:11.550
OK,
2882
01:05:11.620 --> 01:05:12.900
so slavery under
2883
01:05:13.380 --> 01:05:14.570
under biblical morality,
2884
01:05:14.700 --> 01:05:15.680
slavery is OK.
2885
01:05:15.780 --> 01:05:15.850
No,
2886
01:05:15.870 --> 01:05:16.410
it's not,
2887
01:05:16.500 --> 01:05:17.530
not the same kind of slavery.
2888
01:05:17.740 --> 01:05:19.560
There's a difference because what you're kind of slavery is OK
2889
01:05:19.700 --> 01:05:20.160
because you're doing
2890
01:05:20.260 --> 01:05:21.050
there's another verse.
2891
01:05:21.140 --> 01:05:23.250
What you are doing Exodus 21:20.
2892
01:05:23.740 --> 01:05:23.890
I
2893
01:05:26.190 --> 01:05:26.330
mean,
2894
01:05:26.740 --> 01:05:26.880
look,
2895
01:05:26.900 --> 01:05:27.200
listen,
2896
01:05:27.380 --> 01:05:28.210
I've had this discussion.
2897
01:05:28.260 --> 01:05:29.210
I'm a former atheist.
2898
01:05:29.340 --> 01:05:30.010
While you were a former,
2899
01:05:30.050 --> 01:05:30.610
while you're a current agnostic.
2900
01:05:30.850 --> 01:05:31.480
I'm a former atheist.
2901
01:05:31.500 --> 01:05:32.170
I've gone through all of them,
2902
01:05:32.210 --> 01:05:33.040
and I'm a former Christian.
2903
01:05:33.490 --> 01:05:33.840
Beautiful,
2904
01:05:33.970 --> 01:05:34.440
fantastic.
2905
01:05:34.810 --> 01:05:35.400
But what you're still,
2906
01:05:35.490 --> 01:05:35.560
no,
2907
01:05:35.610 --> 01:05:36.350
we're not twins.
2908
01:05:36.490 --> 01:05:37.080
I got one already.
2909
01:05:37.130 --> 01:05:38.070
I'll keep my twin sister.
2910
01:05:39.170 --> 01:05:40.060
Take her 100%.
2911
01:05:40.250 --> 01:05:42.490
What you're engaging in is the borrowed capital fallacy.
2912
01:05:42.610 --> 01:05:43.430
The book of Exodus,
2913
01:05:43.450 --> 01:05:44.430
the Book of Deuteronomy,
2914
01:05:44.770 --> 01:05:45.600
if you allow me to finish,
2915
01:05:45.650 --> 01:05:46.770
you're quoting it incorrectly.
2916
01:05:46.970 --> 01:05:47.760
What you're dealing with,
2917
01:05:47.930 --> 01:05:47.970
I'm,
2918
01:05:48.250 --> 01:05:49.000
if you allow me to finish,
2919
01:05:49.050 --> 01:05:49.870
I'm gonna tell you how
2920
01:05:50.080 --> 01:05:51.850
what you're talking about is under the is a
2921
01:05:51.850 --> 01:05:54.470
is a set of rules established by the Mosaic law
2922
01:05:54.570 --> 01:05:55.270
which came in.
2923
01:05:55.620 --> 01:05:57.950
After the fall of mankind in the Garden of Eden.
2924
01:05:58.200 --> 01:05:59.540
So if we're gonna really be
2925
01:05:59.680 --> 01:06:00.510
true to the Bible,
2926
01:06:00.640 --> 01:06:02.220
you have to follow it within its chronological
2927
01:06:02.320 --> 01:06:02.430
orders.
2928
01:06:02.680 --> 01:06:04.130
So what you're in the slavery piece,
2929
01:06:04.680 --> 01:06:04.830
the,
2930
01:06:04.980 --> 01:06:08.150
the chattel slavery that was practiced in the United States is any
2931
01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:08.870
kind of slavery
2932
01:06:09.480 --> 01:06:10.410
any kind of slavery OK?
2933
01:06:10.440 --> 01:06:11.160
Indentured
2934
01:06:11.990 --> 01:06:12.990
any kind of slavery
2935
01:06:13.440 --> 01:06:13.860
question.
2936
01:06:18.240 --> 01:06:18.440
I mean,
2937
01:06:18.760 --> 01:06:20.390
because there's no point in us continuing this conversation that's gonna be.
2938
01:06:21.570 --> 01:06:24.640
I'm trying to tell you that what the the comparison you're
2939
01:06:24.640 --> 01:06:25.880
attempting to make between chattel slavery
2940
01:06:25.880 --> 01:06:27.960
and biblical slavery or indentured servitude
2941
01:06:28.130 --> 01:06:29.250
are completely different things.
2942
01:06:29.770 --> 01:06:31.720
You just asked me a question that
2943
01:06:32.090 --> 01:06:34.960
we're gonna have to pause here because you've been voted out by the majority.
2944
01:06:35.410 --> 01:06:35.420
Thank
2945
01:06:35.560 --> 01:06:35.570
you.
2946
01:06:39.270 --> 01:06:40.740
If you would like to be the next debater,
2947
01:06:40.910 --> 01:06:44.490
please get to the chair in 321.
2948
01:06:47.740 --> 01:06:48.850
You have been a co-host,
2949
01:06:48.940 --> 01:06:50.410
you have been a co-host of my opponent.
2950
01:06:50.500 --> 01:06:50.770
Oh no,
2951
01:06:50.820 --> 01:06:51.450
I'm nervous now.
2952
01:06:51.500 --> 01:06:52.060
Oh God.
2953
01:06:52.180 --> 01:06:53.060
Good to see you again.
2954
01:06:53.100 --> 01:06:53.530
Good to see you.
2955
01:06:53.620 --> 01:06:53.990
Um,
2956
01:06:54.220 --> 01:06:54.450
OK,
2957
01:06:54.620 --> 01:06:58.050
so I think I just want to focus on the Bibles and churches aspect of this because it
2958
01:06:58.050 --> 01:07:00.690
seems like that's your broader main claim that Christianity
2959
01:07:00.690 --> 01:07:03.530
was largely responsible for producing this moral victory,
2960
01:07:03.860 --> 01:07:04.070
right?
2961
01:07:04.500 --> 01:07:04.690
OK,
2962
01:07:04.820 --> 01:07:07.170
I can't necessarily disagree with some of that.
2963
01:07:07.340 --> 01:07:08.160
Thank you very much.
2964
01:07:08.420 --> 01:07:09.970
Don't color me impressed.
2965
01:07:10.020 --> 01:07:10.630
You know why?
2966
01:07:10.740 --> 01:07:10.910
OK,
2967
01:07:11.020 --> 01:07:12.650
or don't impress me of color,
2968
01:07:12.740 --> 01:07:12.890
OK?
2969
01:07:12.940 --> 01:07:13.670
You know why?
2970
01:07:14.770 --> 01:07:17.170
Because the exact same Bible.
2971
01:07:17.490 --> 01:07:19.720
was invoked by all of the people who were
2972
01:07:19.720 --> 01:07:22.350
against the civil rights movement in the first place.
2973
01:07:22.410 --> 01:07:22.480
Yeah,
2974
01:07:22.610 --> 01:07:22.960
absolutely.
2975
01:07:23.050 --> 01:07:23.240
OK,
2976
01:07:23.370 --> 01:07:25.700
so then the Bible is not what's doing the heavy lifting.
2977
01:07:25.730 --> 01:07:27.510
The church is not what's doing the heavy lifting.
2978
01:07:27.610 --> 01:07:29.430
It's the people who are doing the heavy lifting.
2979
01:07:29.450 --> 01:07:31.910
They just happen to use that as a vessel because
2980
01:07:31.930 --> 01:07:33.690
everyone happened to belong to a church back then.
2981
01:07:33.850 --> 01:07:35.720
So it's not that impressive that that was the fact,
2982
01:07:35.820 --> 01:07:36.040
right?
2983
01:07:36.650 --> 01:07:36.760
Well,
2984
01:07:36.810 --> 01:07:38.460
what's impressive is the fact that I think that
2985
01:07:38.460 --> 01:07:40.800
the Bible was properly interpreted by the people that
2986
01:07:41.600 --> 01:07:43.160
said all men are made in the image of God,
2987
01:07:43.210 --> 01:07:44.600
that read the Bible for what it was.
2988
01:07:44.690 --> 01:07:44.840
You know,
2989
01:07:44.890 --> 01:07:45.120
when they,
2990
01:07:45.170 --> 01:07:46.760
and this is something that people often do with Christian.
2991
01:07:46.930 --> 01:07:47.340
Christianity,
2992
01:07:47.520 --> 01:07:47.670
they,
2993
01:07:47.760 --> 01:07:47.950
you know,
2994
01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:49.190
they call it the white man's religion,
2995
01:07:49.300 --> 01:07:49.590
right?
2996
01:07:49.880 --> 01:07:50.910
But the problem is when they gave,
2997
01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:52.590
they didn't give slaves actual Bibles.
2998
01:07:52.610 --> 01:07:55.440
They gave them what was called selected scriptures for the American Negro.
2999
01:07:55.520 --> 01:07:55.910
You know what was,
3000
01:07:56.000 --> 01:07:56.150
you know,
3001
01:07:56.170 --> 01:07:56.950
the books that were missing?
3002
01:07:57.120 --> 01:07:58.130
Deuteronomy was missing.
3003
01:07:58.240 --> 01:07:59.900
Numbers was Exodus was missing.
3004
01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:00.900
The whole story of
3005
01:08:01.080 --> 01:08:03.470
the Jews escaping slavery in Egypt was missing out of the Bible.
3006
01:08:03.520 --> 01:08:07.040
They were so if you misuse something and you misquote something,
3007
01:08:07.200 --> 01:08:08.130
you're just a lying asshole.
3008
01:08:08.240 --> 01:08:08.310
Well,
3009
01:08:08.400 --> 01:08:08.790
I agree,
3010
01:08:08.920 --> 01:08:09.950
I agree they misuse it,
3011
01:08:09.970 --> 01:08:10.190
and I,
3012
01:08:10.280 --> 01:08:11.780
and I agree they lied about part of the message,
3013
01:08:11.840 --> 01:08:12.270
but that,
3014
01:08:12.320 --> 01:08:13.470
that kind of proves my point,
3015
01:08:13.560 --> 01:08:14.030
doesn't it?
3016
01:08:14.080 --> 01:08:15.600
Because it just proves humans can do stupid shit.
3017
01:08:15.720 --> 01:08:15.750
No,
3018
01:08:15.800 --> 01:08:16.390
it proves my point.
3019
01:08:16.569 --> 01:08:17.010
Because
3020
01:08:17.189 --> 01:08:19.979
if two people can interpret it in both sides in different
3021
01:08:19.979 --> 01:08:22.779
ways to utilize their means of whatever they want to achieve,
3022
01:08:23.149 --> 01:08:24.100
then it's not the Bible,
3023
01:08:24.189 --> 01:08:27.490
then it's not the Bible doing the producing the unique moral good.
3024
01:08:27.670 --> 01:08:29.140
Interpreting and altering are different,
3025
01:08:29.229 --> 01:08:29.420
Jake.
3026
01:08:29.470 --> 01:08:30.529
You gotta be honest there,
3027
01:08:30.670 --> 01:08:32.859
because if I take verses out of that thing and then I'm like,
3028
01:08:32.990 --> 01:08:33.380
you know,
3029
01:08:33.750 --> 01:08:34.420
let me just give you.
3030
01:08:34.830 --> 01:08:35.740
We already talked about slavery.
3031
01:08:35.790 --> 01:08:36.710
It says a lot about slavery.
3032
01:08:36.729 --> 01:08:38.819
The one thing it doesn't do is it condemns slavery in the Bible.
3033
01:08:38.910 --> 01:08:39.520
So you can use it does.
3034
01:08:39.550 --> 01:08:40.189
It says that in the story.
3035
01:08:40.300 --> 01:08:41.140
You can use the OK,
3036
01:08:41.189 --> 01:08:41.710
you can use the wait,
3037
01:08:42.160 --> 01:08:42.330
wait,
3038
01:08:42.470 --> 01:08:42.500
wait,
3039
01:08:42.890 --> 01:08:42.910
no,
3040
01:08:43.149 --> 01:08:43.939
approves slavery.
3041
01:08:44.109 --> 01:08:44.290
No,
3042
01:08:44.310 --> 01:08:45.590
it approves indentured servitude.
3043
01:08:45.670 --> 01:08:45.979
OK.
3044
01:08:46.810 --> 01:08:47.120
Fine.
3045
01:08:47.850 --> 01:08:48.040
I mean,
3046
01:08:48.090 --> 01:08:48.439
I've read,
3047
01:08:48.529 --> 01:08:49.600
I used to not believe in the book.
3048
01:08:49.649 --> 01:08:50.120
I've I've read.
3049
01:08:50.220 --> 01:08:51.740
So do you believe in indentured servitude?
3050
01:08:52.330 --> 01:08:52.439
No,
3051
01:08:52.760 --> 01:08:52.770
right?
3052
01:08:52.810 --> 01:08:53.200
To a degree,
3053
01:08:53.330 --> 01:08:53.939
to a degree,
3054
01:08:54.170 --> 01:08:54.359
OK,
3055
01:08:54.490 --> 01:08:54.520
I,
3056
01:08:54.649 --> 01:08:56.000
I don't wanna get this conversation off.
3057
01:08:56.740 --> 01:08:59.990
I don't wanna get this conversation off into an indentured servitude
3058
01:09:00.330 --> 01:09:00.560
discussion.
3059
01:09:00.609 --> 01:09:01.470
I wanna go back to the,
3060
01:09:01.600 --> 01:09:02.670
the Bibles are,
3061
01:09:02.729 --> 01:09:03.279
you say,
3062
01:09:03.370 --> 01:09:06.660
kind of the independent variable in the equation of liberty,
3063
01:09:06.770 --> 01:09:08.310
but I fundamentally disagree.
3064
01:09:08.649 --> 01:09:11.840
Good leadership and good strategy is the independent variable
3065
01:09:11.840 --> 01:09:13.399
in the equation of what is rooted liberty.
3066
01:09:13.450 --> 01:09:14.510
What is that leadership rooted in?
3067
01:09:15.250 --> 01:09:15.670
In
3068
01:09:15.890 --> 01:09:16.160
what do you,
3069
01:09:16.529 --> 01:09:17.880
does it have to be rooted in Christianity?
3070
01:09:17.930 --> 01:09:18.000
Wait,
3071
01:09:18.130 --> 01:09:18.160
wait,
3072
01:09:18.250 --> 01:09:21.630
was Gandhi was Gandhi rooted in Christianity like he went through the church.
3073
01:09:22.590 --> 01:09:22.700
OK,
3074
01:09:22.790 --> 01:09:24.819
so you don't have so clearly civil rights movements,
3075
01:09:25.069 --> 01:09:26.930
successful civil rights movements can happen
3076
01:09:27.029 --> 01:09:28.660
without the church or without Christianity.
3077
01:09:28.750 --> 01:09:28.950
But what,
3078
01:09:28.970 --> 01:09:30.260
what happened was that the the
3079
01:09:30.260 --> 01:09:32.460
same principles appeared across multiple iterations,
3080
01:09:32.550 --> 01:09:32.700
right?
3081
01:09:32.750 --> 01:09:33.460
I'm not saying you have to,
3082
01:09:33.510 --> 01:09:36.450
you don't even have to know the Bible exists to practice biblical principles.
3083
01:09:36.550 --> 01:09:40.020
The fact that you don't know or the fact that you can't directly ascribe
3084
01:09:40.149 --> 01:09:41.649
how you move in a certain way
3085
01:09:41.750 --> 01:09:43.569
to a particular religious text doesn't matter.
3086
01:09:43.670 --> 01:09:45.380
If you practice the fruit of the tree while
3087
01:09:45.380 --> 01:09:47.020
not recognizing that that's where it came from,
3088
01:09:47.140 --> 01:09:47.620
doesn't matter.
3089
01:09:47.790 --> 01:09:48.540
So by that logic,
3090
01:09:48.710 --> 01:09:48.950
because
3091
01:09:49.109 --> 01:09:50.149
I'm gonna have to pause here.
3092
01:09:50.229 --> 01:09:51.580
You've been voted out by the majority.
3093
01:09:52.620 --> 01:09:53.140
Let's do it.
3094
01:09:53.290 --> 01:09:54.160
Good to see you again.
3095
01:09:55.670 --> 01:09:57.170
If you would like to be the next debater,
3096
01:09:57.390 --> 01:10:01.000
please get to the chair in 321.
3097
01:10:08.810 --> 01:10:09.500
The rematch.
3098
01:10:09.720 --> 01:10:10.790
Why do you feel so comfortable
3099
01:10:10.790 --> 01:10:13.380
parroting white Christian nationalist talking points?
3100
01:10:13.640 --> 01:10:15.880
I don't parrot white Christian nationalist talking points.
3101
01:10:16.040 --> 01:10:16.460
Literally,
3102
01:10:16.480 --> 01:10:17.480
you sitting here saying
3103
01:10:17.800 --> 01:10:18.770
DEI
3104
01:10:19.040 --> 01:10:20.100
and talking about like
3105
01:10:20.240 --> 01:10:21.620
pronouns and civil rights.
3106
01:10:21.800 --> 01:10:22.390
First and foremost,
3107
01:10:22.450 --> 01:10:23.570
just to get this out of the way,
3108
01:10:23.760 --> 01:10:23.910
uh,
3109
01:10:24.280 --> 01:10:25.380
the Civil Rights Act,
3110
01:10:25.760 --> 01:10:26.750
civil rights as a whole,
3111
01:10:26.930 --> 01:10:28.530
that was quote unquote DEI,
3112
01:10:28.760 --> 01:10:30.890
but it wasn't
3113
01:10:31.160 --> 01:10:31.760
it was
3114
01:10:32.080 --> 01:10:32.990
finally being forced to.
3115
01:10:33.280 --> 01:10:34.180
It was finally America,
3116
01:10:34.320 --> 01:10:34.770
wait a minute,
3117
01:10:35.440 --> 01:10:36.120
it was finally.
3118
01:10:36.260 --> 01:10:38.330
America being forced to recognize that it
3119
01:10:38.460 --> 01:10:39.080
to live up
3120
01:10:39.180 --> 01:10:40.800
to its stated principles in the Constitution.
3121
01:10:40.900 --> 01:10:41.860
Title 1 voting,
3122
01:10:42.020 --> 01:10:43.170
Title 23,
3123
01:10:43.620 --> 01:10:44.360
public spaces,
3124
01:10:44.580 --> 01:10:45.600
government spaces,
3125
01:10:45.820 --> 01:10:46.910
Title 4 education,
3126
01:10:47.030 --> 01:10:47.790
Title 6,
3127
01:10:48.140 --> 01:10:49.080
federal aid assistance,
3128
01:10:49.310 --> 01:10:49.980
Title 7,
3129
01:10:50.580 --> 01:10:50.750
you know,
3130
01:10:50.780 --> 01:10:52.610
all that legal language serves to make
3131
01:10:52.780 --> 01:10:54.530
all that legal language serves to make sense
3132
01:10:54.530 --> 01:10:56.090
when the one of the worst criminal justice,
3133
01:10:56.380 --> 01:10:57.250
I'm gonna respond,
3134
01:10:57.500 --> 01:10:57.920
one of the
3135
01:10:58.020 --> 01:10:59.200
worst rulings in the history of this
3136
01:10:59.220 --> 01:11:00.730
country that all those titles you just beautifully
3137
01:11:00.730 --> 01:11:03.530
named addressed was the fact that Chief Justice Roger Tanney at one point said.
3138
01:11:03.690 --> 01:11:04.510
A black man
3139
01:11:04.720 --> 01:11:05.290
or a negro,
3140
01:11:05.310 --> 01:11:05.870
to quote his words,
3141
01:11:05.960 --> 01:11:07.790
has no rights that he as a white man is bound to respect.
3142
01:11:07.920 --> 01:11:09.500
So what and that was codified into law.
3143
01:11:09.640 --> 01:11:11.060
So if bullshit was codified into law,
3144
01:11:11.480 --> 01:11:12.190
the truth had to no,
3145
01:11:12.210 --> 01:11:12.790
I ain't
3146
01:11:13.560 --> 01:11:14.340
I ain't pontificating.
3147
01:11:14.360 --> 01:11:15.120
I'm extrapolating,
3148
01:11:15.160 --> 01:11:15.590
you understand?
3149
01:11:15.670 --> 01:11:16.220
I'm sure there's a difference.
3150
01:11:17.360 --> 01:11:18.040
What is the A?
3151
01:11:19.160 --> 01:11:21.490
You don't know what the A is in DEIA?
3152
01:11:21.760 --> 01:11:22.070
I mean,
3153
01:11:22.200 --> 01:11:23.080
I didn't know there was an A.
3154
01:11:23.190 --> 01:11:24.810
Y'all y'all add new letters every other week.
3155
01:11:26.220 --> 01:11:26.240
Whoa,
3156
01:11:26.360 --> 01:11:26.510
whoa,
3157
01:11:26.590 --> 01:11:26.650
whoa.
3158
01:11:27.360 --> 01:11:27.950
First and foremost,
3159
01:11:28.360 --> 01:11:29.990
the A is for accessibility.
3160
01:11:30.240 --> 01:11:30.970
Who does that cover?
3161
01:11:31.790 --> 01:11:33.780
I would imagine it's people that may be disabled.
3162
01:11:34.100 --> 01:11:34.270
Exactly.
3163
01:11:34.710 --> 01:11:35.470
What do you know how
3164
01:11:35.580 --> 01:11:35.710
long
3165
01:11:36.620 --> 01:11:36.950
Bibles and
3166
01:11:37.080 --> 01:11:37.090
wait,
3167
01:11:37.230 --> 01:11:37.300
wait,
3168
01:11:37.390 --> 01:11:37.460
wait,
3169
01:11:37.550 --> 01:11:40.460
do you know how long DEIA has been a thing?
3170
01:11:40.590 --> 01:11:41.060
I don't.
3171
01:11:41.110 --> 01:11:42.720
That's not what I'm here talking about the 1960s.
3172
01:11:42.790 --> 01:11:44.910
I know it's I said DI so if the A is not there,
3173
01:11:44.990 --> 01:11:45.910
they're actually not even part of my
3174
01:11:46.190 --> 01:11:46.770
parroting
3175
01:11:47.070 --> 01:11:48.020
white supremacist
3176
01:11:48.350 --> 01:11:49.100
talking points.
3177
01:11:49.400 --> 01:11:50.110
DEI
3178
01:11:50.310 --> 01:11:51.730
for everyone who may not know,
3179
01:11:51.870 --> 01:11:52.320
what is,
3180
01:11:52.430 --> 01:11:52.760
what is,
3181
01:11:52.870 --> 01:11:53.380
wait a minute,
3182
01:11:53.550 --> 01:11:54.750
what is white supremacist about?
3183
01:11:54.770 --> 01:11:55.200
Don't worry.
3184
01:11:55.830 --> 01:11:56.330
I have
3185
01:11:57.090 --> 01:11:57.200
a.
3186
01:11:59.660 --> 01:12:01.670
I have a good track record of schooling
3187
01:12:01.860 --> 01:12:03.360
black conservatives and I got you.
3188
01:12:03.450 --> 01:12:04.730
You don't have me on anything.
3189
01:12:04.860 --> 01:12:05.690
You're obfuscating.
3190
01:12:05.780 --> 01:12:07.610
You added a letter to something that wasn't even my original
3191
01:12:07.720 --> 01:12:07.850
claim.
3192
01:12:09.180 --> 01:12:11.250
The reason why they say DEI
3193
01:12:11.500 --> 01:12:12.090
is because
3194
01:12:12.260 --> 01:12:13.890
the word is a dog whistle.
3195
01:12:14.180 --> 01:12:15.180
It has an etymology.
3196
01:12:16.460 --> 01:12:18.050
We're here to talk about the fact that civil rights were
3197
01:12:18.380 --> 01:12:19.210
Bibles in churches,
3198
01:12:19.440 --> 01:12:22.160
not pronouns in DEI and now you added a letter that isn't even my claim.
3199
01:12:22.460 --> 01:12:23.370
So really I don't have to listen.
3200
01:12:23.700 --> 01:12:23.860
Listen,
3201
01:12:24.240 --> 01:12:24.300
no,
3202
01:12:24.910 --> 01:12:25.080
it's not
3203
01:12:25.180 --> 01:12:25.490
in my claim.
3204
01:12:25.660 --> 01:12:28.040
The reason why he said DEI is the same reason
3205
01:12:28.210 --> 01:12:29.590
they used to say the word,
3206
01:12:29.860 --> 01:12:30.270
uh,
3207
01:12:30.420 --> 01:12:30.650
uh,
3208
01:12:30.740 --> 01:12:31.780
critical race theory,
3209
01:12:32.220 --> 01:12:32.360
right?
3210
01:12:32.500 --> 01:12:33.010
CRT.
3211
01:12:33.780 --> 01:12:33.890
Wait,
3212
01:12:33.940 --> 01:12:34.030
wait,
3213
01:12:34.100 --> 01:12:34.280
wait.
3214
01:12:34.740 --> 01:12:34.970
Listen,
3215
01:12:35.140 --> 01:12:36.300
I need you to hear me.
3216
01:12:36.580 --> 01:12:37.060
CRT
3217
01:12:38.060 --> 01:12:39.120
before CRT
3218
01:12:39.420 --> 01:12:40.750
they used to say BLM,
3219
01:12:40.960 --> 01:12:42.000
Black Lives Matter.
3220
01:12:42.420 --> 01:12:43.290
What does that have to do
3221
01:12:43.460 --> 01:12:43.590
with
3222
01:12:43.850 --> 01:12:44.100
BLM
3223
01:12:45.370 --> 01:12:45.810
before BLM
3224
01:12:46.180 --> 01:12:48.120
they used to before they said BLM
3225
01:12:48.260 --> 01:12:49.800
they used to say the word thug.
3226
01:12:50.340 --> 01:12:50.770
And before
3227
01:12:51.420 --> 01:12:51.650
Who's the?
3228
01:12:52.480 --> 01:12:52.880
Who is the?
3229
01:12:53.400 --> 01:12:54.710
They said the word boy.
3230
01:12:55.410 --> 01:12:56.940
And before the word boy,
3231
01:12:57.110 --> 01:12:58.400
they called us the N-word.
3232
01:12:59.160 --> 01:13:01.300
So you actually say DEI,
3233
01:13:01.440 --> 01:13:04.110
they only talk about DEI when they talk about black people.
3234
01:13:04.170 --> 01:13:05.080
This is not TikTok.
3235
01:13:05.160 --> 01:13:06.840
Nothing you said has anything to do with my claim.
3236
01:13:07.040 --> 01:13:08.500
It's the etymology of the word.
3237
01:13:08.640 --> 01:13:09.470
The etymology.
3238
01:13:09.520 --> 01:13:10.660
I'm talking about the action.
3239
01:13:10.800 --> 01:13:11.830
I'm talking about the action.
3240
01:13:11.900 --> 01:13:13.310
You just sat here and tried to say that
3241
01:13:13.310 --> 01:13:15.640
I'm parroting white supremacist talking points when I'm because
3242
01:13:15.840 --> 01:13:16.350
you don't.
3243
01:13:16.480 --> 01:13:17.500
That has ever been on the
3244
01:13:17.610 --> 01:13:17.620
internet.
3245
01:13:18.590 --> 01:13:19.260
Anti-black
3246
01:13:19.710 --> 01:13:20.260
anti-black
3247
01:13:20.790 --> 01:13:21.980
and you're queerphobic.
3248
01:13:22.190 --> 01:13:22.790
Queerphobic?
3249
01:13:23.790 --> 01:13:26.230
You and you're a raging misogynist.
3250
01:13:26.550 --> 01:13:27.610
You need to unpack.
3251
01:13:27.990 --> 01:13:28.710
I need to unpack.
3252
01:13:28.910 --> 01:13:29.060
He
3253
01:13:32.560 --> 01:13:33.820
hasn't addressed my claim at all.
3254
01:13:33.910 --> 01:13:36.930
He has said nothing of the fact that he can't because you know why?
3255
01:13:36.950 --> 01:13:38.340
Because he can't run from the reality of it.
3256
01:13:38.370 --> 01:13:40.220
The reality of it is the civil rights movement does
3257
01:13:40.220 --> 01:13:42.320
not win without God being at the center of it.
3258
01:13:42.390 --> 01:13:43.470
That is exactly why Martin Luther.
3259
01:13:43.480 --> 01:13:45.190
King is the only American in this country's history
3260
01:13:45.430 --> 01:13:46.660
that passed more legislation.
3261
01:13:47.150 --> 01:13:48.260
The womanizer,
3262
01:13:48.590 --> 01:13:48.780
sure,
3263
01:13:48.920 --> 01:13:49.490
the womanizer,
3264
01:13:49.520 --> 01:13:49.820
whatever.
3265
01:13:50.710 --> 01:13:52.170
We can talk about Ella Baker.
3266
01:13:52.510 --> 01:13:53.740
We can talk about James Baldwin.
3267
01:13:54.240 --> 01:13:54.630
We can talk
3268
01:13:54.760 --> 01:13:55.510
about WE Bolton.
3269
01:13:55.550 --> 01:13:57.140
I want to talk about Martin Luther King Jr.
3270
01:13:57.190 --> 01:13:57.580
and Malcolm X.
3271
01:13:57.710 --> 01:13:57.920
I
3272
01:13:58.470 --> 01:13:58.690
was
3273
01:13:59.500 --> 01:13:59.510
talking
3274
01:13:59.620 --> 01:13:59.630
about
3275
01:13:59.750 --> 01:14:01.290
how was Martin Luther King Jr.
3276
01:14:01.610 --> 01:14:02.510
Martin Luther King Jr.
3277
01:14:02.630 --> 01:14:02.660
No,
3278
01:14:02.710 --> 01:14:03.540
they didn't legislative.
3279
01:14:05.480 --> 01:14:06.430
Who got invited to the White House?
3280
01:14:06.450 --> 01:14:06.850
None of them.
3281
01:14:06.990 --> 01:14:07.920
Who got invited to the White House.
3282
01:14:09.150 --> 01:14:10.320
Martin Luther King was a token figurehead.
3283
01:14:10.790 --> 01:14:12.730
The FBI surveilling him and telling him to kill himself.
3284
01:14:12.850 --> 01:14:14.180
He was a token figurehead.
3285
01:14:14.280 --> 01:14:14.780
Bullshit.
3286
01:14:14.870 --> 01:14:15.690
When I tell you
3287
01:14:15.790 --> 01:14:17.630
the movement was bigger
3288
01:14:18.070 --> 01:14:19.190
than your Messiah.
3289
01:14:19.310 --> 01:14:22.500
So you have called me a token.
3290
01:14:22.750 --> 01:14:25.100
You've said I'm supporting white supremacist token.
3291
01:14:25.310 --> 01:14:25.320
No,
3292
01:14:25.350 --> 01:14:26.420
you said Martin Luther King was a token.
3293
01:14:26.550 --> 01:14:27.900
You said King was falsely a Marxist,
3294
01:14:27.950 --> 01:14:28.340
which is a lie.
3295
01:14:28.390 --> 01:14:30.600
I just quoted that I refuted that poem when we were talking.
3296
01:14:31.070 --> 01:14:31.930
Absolute lie.
3297
01:14:32.110 --> 01:14:33.560
You said that I am a
3298
01:14:33.790 --> 01:14:34.740
raging misogynist,
3299
01:14:34.830 --> 01:14:36.500
I don't know how the hell that's possible.
3300
01:14:36.710 --> 01:14:38.200
What about me is misogynistic.
3301
01:14:38.470 --> 01:14:39.940
The fact that me and Zena can have a disagreement and
3302
01:14:39.940 --> 01:14:41.760
argue back and forth because I guarantee you I would,
3303
01:14:41.980 --> 01:14:43.310
I would do whatever it took
3304
01:14:43.590 --> 01:14:45.290
to make sure that I want to
3305
01:14:45.430 --> 01:14:46.460
create an egalitarian society,
3306
01:14:46.480 --> 01:14:47.630
but I'm a raging misogynist.
3307
01:14:47.890 --> 01:14:48.220
Sure,
3308
01:14:48.390 --> 01:14:50.820
you have done nothing to actually address the claim because
3309
01:14:50.820 --> 01:14:53.490
you came up here to obfuscate and pontificate about some bullshit
3310
01:14:53.670 --> 01:14:55.490
because the claim that I gave is irrefutable.
3311
01:14:55.630 --> 01:14:58.590
There is no way that the civil rights movement wins in this country without the.
3312
01:14:58.600 --> 01:14:59.940
The Bible being at its foundation,
3313
01:14:59.990 --> 01:15:01.220
and you know that as well as I do.
3314
01:15:01.310 --> 01:15:03.330
The reason you don't want to run from it is because you're not a Christian.
3315
01:15:03.470 --> 01:15:04.060
That's fine.
3316
01:15:04.190 --> 01:15:05.340
You don't have to accept my worldview,
3317
01:15:05.510 --> 01:15:09.950
but you have to accept the fact that no American besides Martin Luther King Junior
3318
01:15:10.190 --> 01:15:12.380
other than Martin Luther King Junior got more legislation passed
3319
01:15:12.380 --> 01:15:14.380
for us within the same time frame as the Malcolms,
3320
01:15:14.470 --> 01:15:15.050
as the
3321
01:15:15.190 --> 01:15:16.050
James Baldwin's,
3322
01:15:16.110 --> 01:15:17.700
as the Adam Clayton Powells,
3323
01:15:17.790 --> 01:15:18.500
and he was in Congress,
3324
01:15:18.550 --> 01:15:18.860
by the way,
3325
01:15:19.070 --> 01:15:20.460
one of the most effective congressmen of all time.
3326
01:15:20.670 --> 01:15:22.660
None of that is possible without religion being
3327
01:15:23.030 --> 01:15:23.250
perfect,
3328
01:15:23.350 --> 01:15:23.570
perfect.
3329
01:15:24.030 --> 01:15:24.860
First and foremost,
3330
01:15:24.990 --> 01:15:27.140
the reason why you are a misogynist,
3331
01:15:27.230 --> 01:15:28.590
a raging misogynist,
3332
01:15:28.710 --> 01:15:32.650
is because you haven't taken the time to actually unpack any of the things
3333
01:15:33.310 --> 01:15:34.380
specifically black men.
3334
01:15:34.710 --> 01:15:36.330
I sat here quietly for a minute,
3335
01:15:37.710 --> 01:15:41.810
the things that black men have done specifically during the civil rights era,
3336
01:15:41.910 --> 01:15:43.660
you know what's funny about the civil rights era?
3337
01:15:44.030 --> 01:15:45.000
Black women
3338
01:15:45.150 --> 01:15:47.660
actually gave up their pursuit of feminism
3339
01:15:47.870 --> 01:15:49.740
in order to actually uplift the.
3340
01:15:49.860 --> 01:15:50.800
Civil rights movement.
3341
01:15:50.950 --> 01:15:52.270
They literally put themselves
3342
01:15:52.530 --> 01:15:53.320
to the back
3343
01:15:53.490 --> 01:15:55.990
in order to ensure that black people as a whole had what they,
3344
01:15:56.010 --> 01:15:56.750
they had to get.
3345
01:15:56.930 --> 01:15:57.610
And they were,
3346
01:15:57.650 --> 01:15:58.750
they were abandoned,
3347
01:15:58.850 --> 01:16:00.520
they were abandoned by black men
3348
01:16:00.690 --> 01:16:01.570
and by women,
3349
01:16:01.930 --> 01:16:02.600
white women.
3350
01:16:02.890 --> 01:16:03.690
The point that I'm saying
3351
01:16:05.090 --> 01:16:08.310
you're specifically trying to call back to a time
3352
01:16:08.480 --> 01:16:09.100
where you are,
3353
01:16:09.210 --> 01:16:09.360
you,
3354
01:16:09.450 --> 01:16:11.070
you're uplifting these leaders
3355
01:16:11.210 --> 01:16:13.110
that did the same that you're doing,
3356
01:16:13.290 --> 01:16:15.640
but yet you don't listen to black women.
3357
01:16:16.230 --> 01:16:16.790
Do you
3358
01:16:17.630 --> 01:16:18.830
I recommended a book for you.
3359
01:16:18.870 --> 01:16:20.090
I recommended a book for you.
3360
01:16:21.870 --> 01:16:22.440
That has nothing
3361
01:16:22.550 --> 01:16:22.790
to do with
3362
01:16:22.950 --> 01:16:23.840
what I'm talking about.
3363
01:16:23.870 --> 01:16:24.820
What was the point of reading the book?
3364
01:16:24.910 --> 01:16:27.100
That has nothing to do with what I was the point of reading the book?
3365
01:16:27.190 --> 01:16:29.660
To understand opposition's viewpoints.
3366
01:16:29.750 --> 01:16:31.770
You were supposed to read the book to understand
3367
01:16:31.900 --> 01:16:32.980
black women and their struggle.
3368
01:16:33.030 --> 01:16:34.390
You wanted to read the book
3369
01:16:34.510 --> 01:16:36.780
so you could tear down black women that are feminists.
3370
01:16:36.870 --> 01:16:38.050
That was your entire point.
3371
01:16:38.070 --> 01:16:40.290
My entire point of reading Bell Hook.
3372
01:16:40.660 --> 01:16:41.010
to
3373
01:16:41.300 --> 01:16:42.370
go to a different point
3374
01:16:42.780 --> 01:16:43.330
so you can
3375
01:16:43.890 --> 01:16:43.990
attack
3376
01:16:44.140 --> 01:16:44.370
black
3377
01:16:44.610 --> 01:16:44.620
women
3378
01:16:46.490 --> 01:16:49.020
and you're misogynist and you're queerphobic.
3379
01:16:49.220 --> 01:16:50.050
You have no
3380
01:16:50.160 --> 01:16:50.540
evidence to support
3381
01:16:50.650 --> 01:16:50.960
any of this.
3382
01:16:50.980 --> 01:16:51.420
Your claim
3383
01:16:52.180 --> 01:16:54.710
put black people in the queer community against each other.
3384
01:16:55.950 --> 01:16:56.010
No,
3385
01:16:56.060 --> 01:16:56.830
it identifies
3386
01:16:56.960 --> 01:16:59.620
it identifies the fact that Democrats have been lying to black people for decades.
3387
01:17:00.040 --> 01:17:00.900
I ain't going for this shit.
3388
01:17:01.160 --> 01:17:01.790
If you're gonna get,
3389
01:17:01.860 --> 01:17:03.180
if you're gonna stop.
3390
01:17:03.260 --> 01:17:03.460
If
3391
01:17:03.580 --> 01:17:04.760
Democrats have had the black voting base.
3392
01:17:05.130 --> 01:17:06.280
To a rate of over 80%
3393
01:17:06.530 --> 01:17:07.430
over 20 years,
3394
01:17:08.560 --> 01:17:09.640
conservatives are flat out,
3395
01:17:09.690 --> 01:17:12.150
they're not they're not holding them accountable.
3396
01:17:12.370 --> 01:17:15.230
You put two marginalized communities against each other
3397
01:17:15.470 --> 01:17:16.600
because you have a problem.
3398
01:17:16.660 --> 01:17:18.590
I'm making a statement that the left who has,
3399
01:17:18.610 --> 01:17:20.420
who has more voted black support on average?
3400
01:17:20.530 --> 01:17:21.370
The the left or the right?
3401
01:17:21.410 --> 01:17:21.860
Answer that.
3402
01:17:22.330 --> 01:17:22.470
Who
3403
01:17:22.600 --> 01:17:23.670
has more than the left?
3404
01:17:24.050 --> 01:17:24.100
OK
3405
01:17:24.370 --> 01:17:24.440
then,
3406
01:17:24.560 --> 01:17:26.240
so the problem is the country as a whole
3407
01:17:26.370 --> 01:17:27.120
he's honest in that regard.
3408
01:17:27.250 --> 01:17:27.690
The problem
3409
01:17:28.300 --> 01:17:28.310
is
3410
01:17:28.610 --> 01:17:29.360
you're not willing to talk.
3411
01:17:29.510 --> 01:17:31.630
Talk about the conservatives because then you have to talk about yourself.
3412
01:17:31.800 --> 01:17:33.190
That's why you're not willing to unpack.
3413
01:17:33.360 --> 01:17:35.150
That's why you're not willing to address your misogyny.
3414
01:17:35.320 --> 01:17:37.350
That's why you're not willing to address your anti-blackness.
3415
01:17:37.520 --> 01:17:39.560
That's why you're not willing to address your queer phobia.
3416
01:17:39.890 --> 01:17:40.030
It's
3417
01:17:41.030 --> 01:17:41.380
clearly people,
3418
01:17:41.400 --> 01:17:42.950
I hold conservatives accountable all the time.
3419
01:17:43.000 --> 01:17:43.270
I,
3420
01:17:43.360 --> 01:17:43.660
I,
3421
01:17:43.800 --> 01:17:45.310
I go look at the video I did on Brandon Tatum.
3422
01:17:45.400 --> 01:17:47.390
Go look at the video I did on the president for the past 4 months.
3423
01:17:47.530 --> 01:17:48.630
Go look at the fact that I said that the
3424
01:17:48.630 --> 01:17:51.290
president in the current administration has not been America first.
3425
01:17:51.400 --> 01:17:53.310
If anybody is a genuine pro-black conservative.
3426
01:17:54.500 --> 01:17:58.110
you actually listen to another marginalized community
3427
01:17:58.260 --> 01:17:58.530
and
3428
01:17:58.650 --> 01:17:58.660
took
3429
01:17:58.790 --> 01:17:59.220
that.
3430
01:18:00.500 --> 01:18:01.370
I listen to them every
3431
01:18:01.500 --> 01:18:01.760
day.
3432
01:18:02.180 --> 01:18:03.410
I've listened to Tashika's live.
3433
01:18:03.460 --> 01:18:03.770
She's here,
3434
01:18:03.820 --> 01:18:04.520
she's fantastic.
3435
01:18:04.540 --> 01:18:05.470
I've listened to Zena's live.
3436
01:18:05.500 --> 01:18:06.210
She's fantastic.
3437
01:18:06.420 --> 01:18:06.730
Ari
3438
01:18:06.860 --> 01:18:07.160
for
3439
01:18:07.300 --> 01:18:07.370
education.
3440
01:18:07.390 --> 01:18:07.990
She's fantastic.
3441
01:18:08.020 --> 01:18:09.460
Shout out to Ari for education.
3442
01:18:09.820 --> 01:18:11.690
One of the most intelligent black women
3443
01:18:11.940 --> 01:18:12.330
that I know.
3444
01:18:13.100 --> 01:18:13.210
Why
3445
01:18:13.380 --> 01:18:14.050
is it that
3446
01:18:15.500 --> 01:18:16.130
she's fantastic.
3447
01:18:16.780 --> 01:18:17.780
Even though we disagree,
3448
01:18:17.860 --> 01:18:19.170
any and every time you speak
3449
01:18:19.300 --> 01:18:19.640
to her,
3450
01:18:19.720 --> 01:18:20.380
you crash out.
3451
01:18:20.500 --> 01:18:21.000
Just like this.
3452
01:18:21.340 --> 01:18:21.370
You
3453
01:18:21.500 --> 01:18:21.840
do this.
3454
01:18:22.620 --> 01:18:24.120
Because it's a black film voice
3455
01:18:24.300 --> 01:18:25.210
that actually gets.
3456
01:18:25.320 --> 01:18:25.610
It's not.
3457
01:18:25.630 --> 01:18:26.390
I just gave you two,
3458
01:18:26.470 --> 01:18:28.540
I just gave you two great black female content creators that
3459
01:18:28.540 --> 01:18:30.380
even though I disagree with both because they're sitting right here.
3460
01:18:30.510 --> 01:18:30.890
No,
3461
01:18:31.190 --> 01:18:32.100
because they're sitting right here.
3462
01:18:32.290 --> 01:18:32.900
Ishika,
3463
01:18:32.990 --> 01:18:33.530
have I not sent you,
3464
01:18:33.550 --> 01:18:34.020
does he want to do that?
3465
01:18:34.110 --> 01:18:34.680
Have I not sent you
3466
01:18:35.270 --> 01:18:35.320
sitting
3467
01:18:35.470 --> 01:18:35.810
right here.
3468
01:18:35.920 --> 01:18:36.140
Xena,
3469
01:18:36.230 --> 01:18:37.260
have I not tapped on your TikTok?
3470
01:18:37.520 --> 01:18:37.530
Of
3471
01:18:37.710 --> 01:18:37.740
course.
3472
01:18:38.000 --> 01:18:38.880
Whether we disagree or not,
3473
01:18:38.910 --> 01:18:39.500
we said no,
3474
01:18:39.590 --> 01:18:39.750
stop,
3475
01:18:39.800 --> 01:18:40.710
because now you're just tapping.
3476
01:18:40.830 --> 01:18:43.970
I sat at a round table with Xena and while we may disagree vehemently,
3477
01:18:44.160 --> 01:18:44.390
wouldn't you
3478
01:18:44.510 --> 01:18:44.860
let her speak?
3479
01:18:45.190 --> 01:18:45.730
What do you mean?
3480
01:18:46.190 --> 01:18:48.470
As she sat here trying to speak to you,
3481
01:18:48.670 --> 01:18:48.850
we
3482
01:18:48.990 --> 01:18:49.390
talk to each other.
3483
01:18:49.440 --> 01:18:49.710
We're human
3484
01:18:49.840 --> 01:18:50.020
beings.
3485
01:18:50.180 --> 01:18:50.190
Who
3486
01:18:50.350 --> 01:18:50.550
cares?
3487
01:18:51.170 --> 01:18:51.970
Other people,
3488
01:18:52.070 --> 01:18:52.140
the
3489
01:18:52.360 --> 01:18:52.400
only
3490
01:18:52.500 --> 01:18:52.620
people.
3491
01:18:52.700 --> 01:18:53.330
telling me all the time.
3492
01:18:54.370 --> 01:18:54.530
What are we
3493
01:18:54.650 --> 01:18:54.660
talking
3494
01:18:54.800 --> 01:18:54.930
about?
3495
01:18:55.020 --> 01:18:56.930
There's been a real overtalking
3496
01:18:57.090 --> 01:18:57.570
nonstop,
3497
01:18:57.620 --> 01:18:58.020
you and I,
3498
01:18:58.180 --> 01:18:58.520
sure,
3499
01:18:58.740 --> 01:19:02.210
but when Xena sat up here and tried to get her point across multiple times,
3500
01:19:02.690 --> 01:19:03.840
you couldn't stop to
3501
01:19:03.950 --> 01:19:04.210
hear the
3502
01:19:04.480 --> 01:19:04.490
black.
3503
01:19:05.670 --> 01:19:07.050
You had a good conversation with Tashika.
3504
01:19:07.100 --> 01:19:07.640
I'll give you that.
3505
01:19:07.700 --> 01:19:08.360
I'll give you that.
3506
01:19:08.780 --> 01:19:10.600
When you had an issue with Xena,
3507
01:19:10.660 --> 01:19:11.340
you had an issue
3508
01:19:11.470 --> 01:19:11.540
with
3509
01:19:11.900 --> 01:19:13.160
you have a personal relationship,
3510
01:19:13.210 --> 01:19:14.850
you have a personal relationship with Tashika.
3511
01:19:14.980 --> 01:19:15.050
No,
3512
01:19:15.100 --> 01:19:15.920
I do not.
3513
01:19:16.300 --> 01:19:16.420
I
3514
01:19:16.580 --> 01:19:17.460
met her on TikTok
3515
01:19:17.580 --> 01:19:17.720
before.
3516
01:19:17.820 --> 01:19:18.800
You said you messaged her.
3517
01:19:18.940 --> 01:19:19.810
I'm gonna square the circle.
3518
01:19:19.910 --> 01:19:20.210
What?
3519
01:19:20.460 --> 01:19:20.930
I got it.
3520
01:19:21.830 --> 01:19:22.850
The big issue is
3521
01:19:24.590 --> 01:19:25.980
the big issue is
3522
01:19:26.150 --> 01:19:28.900
the black conservative man is the weakest link
3523
01:19:29.070 --> 01:19:30.120
in the black community,
3524
01:19:30.230 --> 01:19:31.130
and that's you.
3525
01:19:31.470 --> 01:19:33.190
You need to unpack all of those things.
3526
01:19:34.470 --> 01:19:36.260
I'm the one sitting at the table surrounded by 20 people.
3527
01:19:36.590 --> 01:19:38.520
And I've been pretty strong for the past 4
3528
01:19:38.990 --> 01:19:39.900
masculinity,
3529
01:19:40.130 --> 01:19:40.830
masculinity,
3530
01:19:40.990 --> 01:19:42.140
masculinity is toxic.
3531
01:19:42.680 --> 01:19:42.990
Uh,
3532
01:19:43.150 --> 01:19:44.340
that's not what we're here to talk about,
3533
01:19:44.390 --> 01:19:45.310
but if you want to go down that road,
3534
01:19:45.390 --> 01:19:46.940
but that's the reason why you're sitting here.
3535
01:19:47.020 --> 01:19:47.660
It's your ego.
3536
01:19:47.680 --> 01:19:49.720
The only reason I'm sitting here is because I'm a man.
3537
01:19:50.070 --> 01:19:50.220
Not
3538
01:19:50.350 --> 01:19:50.980
because I'm qualified.
3539
01:19:51.420 --> 01:19:51.480
No,
3540
01:19:51.570 --> 01:19:51.640
no,
3541
01:19:51.790 --> 01:19:51.880
no,
3542
01:19:51.930 --> 01:19:52.000
no,
3543
01:19:52.050 --> 01:19:52.290
no,
3544
01:19:52.320 --> 01:19:53.320
because I do the same thing you do.
3545
01:19:53.690 --> 01:19:55.960
The reason why you're sitting right here right now,
3546
01:19:56.530 --> 01:19:58.040
the reason why you're sitting here right now
3547
01:19:58.040 --> 01:19:59.770
and doing this is because of your masculinity.
3548
01:19:59.810 --> 01:19:59.840
No,
3549
01:19:59.860 --> 01:20:00.920
it's because I put in the work.
3550
01:20:01.050 --> 01:20:02.660
It's because I was not working to sit
3551
01:20:02.770 --> 01:20:02.920
across.
3552
01:20:03.370 --> 01:20:04.930
You just said I'm sitting here because of my masculinity.
3553
01:20:05.090 --> 01:20:05.960
You just did it twice.
3554
01:20:06.090 --> 01:20:07.600
You just sat here and negated the work that I,
3555
01:20:07.620 --> 01:20:08.240
as a black man,
3556
01:20:08.330 --> 01:20:08.400
no,
3557
01:20:08.530 --> 01:20:09.010
you can't hear
3558
01:20:09.230 --> 01:20:10.360
me because I just tailored your ego.
3559
01:20:10.500 --> 01:20:10.680
OK,
3560
01:20:11.430 --> 01:20:11.760
Santana,
3561
01:20:11.810 --> 01:20:12.880
you gotta let him finish though.
3562
01:20:12.930 --> 01:20:14.220
You guys are talking over each other.
3563
01:20:14.450 --> 01:20:15.920
You just sat here and said,
3564
01:20:16.130 --> 01:20:18.270
the only reason I'm sitting in this chair is because I'm a man.
3565
01:20:18.410 --> 01:20:18.920
That's not it.
3566
01:20:19.010 --> 01:20:20.920
The reason I'm sitting in this chair is because I put.
3567
01:20:21.090 --> 01:20:23.960
Over 10,000 hours of work making content since
3568
01:20:24.110 --> 01:20:25.420
from 2020 on Clubhouse
3569
01:20:25.530 --> 01:20:26.900
to 2026 sitting right here,
3570
01:20:26.990 --> 01:20:27.520
my brother.
3571
01:20:27.910 --> 01:20:28.540
That's work.
3572
01:20:28.870 --> 01:20:29.700
That has nothing to do with it.
3573
01:20:29.910 --> 01:20:30.000
My
3574
01:20:30.110 --> 01:20:30.180
sister
3575
01:20:30.310 --> 01:20:30.860
could have done this,
3576
01:20:31.080 --> 01:20:31.820
my twin could have did it,
3577
01:20:31.870 --> 01:20:32.540
my mama could have did it,
3578
01:20:32.630 --> 01:20:33.220
my daddy could have did it,
3579
01:20:33.270 --> 01:20:33.920
you're doing it now.
3580
01:20:33.990 --> 01:20:35.660
I'm not negating the work that you've done.
3581
01:20:35.710 --> 01:20:36.390
I'm not saying that.
3582
01:20:36.550 --> 01:20:36.660
No,
3583
01:20:36.790 --> 01:20:37.100
I didn't.
3584
01:20:37.340 --> 01:20:38.180
I was very clear.
3585
01:20:38.270 --> 01:20:38.810
I said
3586
01:20:38.950 --> 01:20:41.860
the reason why you're doing this right now is because of your ego.
3587
01:20:42.070 --> 01:20:42.440
The reason,
3588
01:20:42.670 --> 01:20:43.780
the reason why you can't
3589
01:20:43.910 --> 01:20:44.460
hear me,
3590
01:20:44.710 --> 01:20:46.820
the reason why you can't hear me is because of your ego.
3591
01:20:46.920 --> 01:20:47.100
No,
3592
01:20:47.630 --> 01:20:47.980
the reason I
3593
01:20:48.110 --> 01:20:48.210
heard
3594
01:20:48.390 --> 01:20:48.980
what you said.
3595
01:20:49.070 --> 01:20:50.580
This is the first time I've told you this.
3596
01:20:51.310 --> 01:20:51.500
Yes,
3597
01:20:51.590 --> 01:20:52.140
100%.
3598
01:20:52.230 --> 01:20:52.650
And so,
3599
01:20:52.750 --> 01:20:54.820
so why did I recommend Bell Hooks to you?
3600
01:20:55.150 --> 01:20:56.370
Because we were having a conversation,
3601
01:20:56.470 --> 01:20:56.910
if I'm not mistaken,
3602
01:20:57.110 --> 01:20:57.140
I
3603
01:20:57.270 --> 01:20:57.300
told
3604
01:20:57.520 --> 01:20:57.740
you about
3605
01:20:58.060 --> 01:20:58.960
to unpack your
3606
01:20:59.130 --> 01:20:59.800
misogyny.
3607
01:20:59.990 --> 01:21:00.020
Yeah,
3608
01:21:00.070 --> 01:21:00.900
and I said I'm not a misogynist.
3609
01:21:00.960 --> 01:21:01.390
I disagree with you.
3610
01:21:01.470 --> 01:21:02.100
I said you're wrong.
3611
01:21:02.520 --> 01:21:02.980
I said you're wrong.
3612
01:21:03.000 --> 01:21:03.790
I'm saying you're wrong again.
3613
01:21:03.870 --> 01:21:04.790
I'm gonna keep saying you're wrong.
3614
01:21:04.870 --> 01:21:07.870
The reason we disagree the reason why you're crashing out in front of everybody
3615
01:21:08.150 --> 01:21:08.550
right now.
3616
01:21:09.120 --> 01:21:09.350
It's
3617
01:21:09.460 --> 01:21:09.800
because your
3618
01:21:09.940 --> 01:21:11.180
fragile masculinity.
3619
01:21:11.310 --> 01:21:13.020
You're saying shit that is patently false.
3620
01:21:13.270 --> 01:21:14.260
If you call this a crash out,
3621
01:21:14.310 --> 01:21:14.580
then hey,
3622
01:21:14.630 --> 01:21:15.040
I guess I'm,
3623
01:21:15.110 --> 01:21:15.780
I guess it's in control.
3624
01:21:15.910 --> 01:21:16.900
I crashed out on Jake White.
3625
01:21:17.070 --> 01:21:17.540
That was a crash.
3626
01:21:17.630 --> 01:21:18.820
It's your fragile masculinity.
3627
01:21:18.890 --> 01:21:18.990
Jake,
3628
01:21:19.030 --> 01:21:19.620
that was a crash out.
3629
01:21:19.790 --> 01:21:20.660
Jake White was a crash out.
3630
01:21:20.790 --> 01:21:21.980
This is just correcting bullshit.
3631
01:21:22.070 --> 01:21:22.140
I,
3632
01:21:22.270 --> 01:21:23.890
I'll square the circle with all of this.
3633
01:21:24.230 --> 01:21:24.980
When you talk about
3634
01:21:25.700 --> 01:21:26.820
the WWE.
3635
01:21:27.270 --> 01:21:28.500
When you talk about the 19,
3636
01:21:28.590 --> 01:21:28.830
um,
3637
01:21:28.910 --> 01:21:29.180
I'm sorry,
3638
01:21:29.230 --> 01:21:30.530
when you talk about the Civil Rights Act,
3639
01:21:31.190 --> 01:21:33.560
at the heart of the Civil Rights Act was Jesus Christ
3640
01:21:33.950 --> 01:21:35.290
and Christ and him crucified.
3641
01:21:35.430 --> 01:21:36.600
It was Martin Luther King saying,
3642
01:21:36.630 --> 01:21:37.590
I believe and I have a
3643
01:21:37.770 --> 01:21:37.780
dream.
3644
01:21:38.270 --> 01:21:38.660
And one day,
3645
01:21:38.750 --> 01:21:39.140
who don't?
3646
01:21:39.550 --> 01:21:40.730
The people on YouTube want to hear this.
3647
01:21:41.430 --> 01:21:42.110
They wanted to hear it and
3648
01:21:42.420 --> 01:21:42.430
watch
3649
01:21:42.570 --> 01:21:42.580
it.
3650
01:21:42.640 --> 01:21:43.630
250,000
3651
01:21:43.910 --> 01:21:45.110
of the Civil Rights Act
3652
01:21:45.310 --> 01:21:46.220
was Jesus Christ
3653
01:21:46.350 --> 01:21:47.050
and him crucified
3654
01:21:48.070 --> 01:21:49.130
equity and the gospel.
3655
01:21:49.150 --> 01:21:49.670
Equity,
3656
01:21:50.270 --> 01:21:50.980
inclusion.
3657
01:21:51.110 --> 01:21:51.820
And you do that how?
3658
01:21:52.030 --> 01:21:53.930
By believing that all men are made in the image of God
3659
01:21:53.930 --> 01:21:55.290
and because all men are made in the image of God,
3660
01:21:55.310 --> 01:21:56.470
they're endowed by their Creator with certain.
3661
01:21:58.560 --> 01:21:59.460
And we're gonna be honest,
3662
01:21:59.600 --> 01:22:01.050
Jesus was a black communist.
3663
01:22:01.160 --> 01:22:01.500
So
3664
01:22:01.820 --> 01:22:03.230
like show me where in the Bible he was a communist.
3665
01:22:04.610 --> 01:22:04.990
Show me where.
3666
01:22:05.170 --> 01:22:07.030
Because you're just actions.
3667
01:22:07.300 --> 01:22:08.270
You're
3668
01:22:08.510 --> 01:22:08.520
a lot.
3669
01:22:08.760 --> 01:22:09.910
He took care of everyone.
3670
01:22:10.120 --> 01:22:12.790
He didn't want people to uphold money or worship money.
3671
01:22:12.920 --> 01:22:13.600
He said render unto
3672
01:22:13.770 --> 01:22:13.950
Caesar.
3673
01:22:14.200 --> 01:22:14.840
He said render
3674
01:22:15.070 --> 01:22:15.110
unto
3675
01:22:15.290 --> 01:22:15.390
Caesar.
3676
01:22:15.480 --> 01:22:15.520
Yeah,
3677
01:22:15.600 --> 01:22:15.910
he's God.
3678
01:22:16.360 --> 01:22:17.180
He did.
3679
01:22:17.200 --> 01:22:17.780
That's not communist.
3680
01:22:18.160 --> 01:22:19.770
So doing the right thing automatically makes you communist.
3681
01:22:20.010 --> 01:22:21.950
Communism communism is making
3682
01:22:22.290 --> 01:22:23.270
sure that people have
3683
01:22:23.440 --> 01:22:24.110
what they need.
3684
01:22:24.920 --> 01:22:26.080
Tell me what about Christianity.
3685
01:22:27.180 --> 01:22:28.770
Tell me what about Christianity makes sure
3686
01:22:29.150 --> 01:22:29.180
we
3687
01:22:29.830 --> 01:22:30.550
have to pause here.
3688
01:22:31.900 --> 01:22:33.690
My next surrounding claim is that the Republican
3689
01:22:33.690 --> 01:22:36.180
Party cares more about free speech than Democrats.
3690
01:22:36.500 --> 01:22:36.600
Alright,
3691
01:22:36.660 --> 01:22:38.010
if you'd like to be the first debater,
3692
01:22:38.140 --> 01:22:41.520
please get to the chair in 321.
3693
01:22:44.020 --> 01:22:44.080
No
3694
01:22:45.350 --> 01:22:45.650
How are you,
3695
01:22:45.710 --> 01:22:45.860
sir?
3696
01:22:45.940 --> 01:22:46.300
What's your name?
3697
01:22:48.300 --> 01:22:48.850
What's good,
3698
01:22:48.940 --> 01:22:49.740
yo?
3699
01:22:50.940 --> 01:22:51.290
I'm Zerry.
3700
01:22:51.380 --> 01:22:51.740
Nice to meet you.
3701
01:22:52.000 --> 01:22:52.180
Nice to
3702
01:22:52.500 --> 01:22:52.630
meet you.
3703
01:22:52.750 --> 01:22:54.610
Is that a diamond button?
3704
01:22:54.700 --> 01:22:55.250
It's Crystal.
3705
01:22:55.380 --> 01:22:55.410
Oh,
3706
01:22:55.460 --> 01:22:55.810
it's Crystal.
3707
01:22:55.860 --> 01:22:56.690
That's my bad.
3708
01:22:56.860 --> 01:22:57.090
Uh yeah,
3709
01:22:57.180 --> 01:22:57.880
my name's Eric.
3710
01:22:58.140 --> 01:22:58.370
Eric.
3711
01:22:58.390 --> 01:22:58.650
Austin,
3712
01:22:58.740 --> 01:22:59.090
nice to meet you.
3713
01:22:59.300 --> 01:22:59.580
First of all,
3714
01:22:59.620 --> 01:23:00.530
I wanna just ask,
3715
01:23:00.660 --> 01:23:03.560
why do you think the Republicans hold freedom of speech
3716
01:23:03.740 --> 01:23:05.550
to more importance than the Democrats do?
3717
01:23:05.700 --> 01:23:05.970
Well,
3718
01:23:06.350 --> 01:23:08.730
because when you look at what happened in 2020 with COVID,
3719
01:23:08.780 --> 01:23:09.300
for example,
3720
01:23:09.490 --> 01:23:10.330
the Biden administration.
3721
01:23:10.460 --> 01:23:11.150
Pressured Facebook,
3722
01:23:11.490 --> 01:23:11.900
Meta,
3723
01:23:12.090 --> 01:23:12.750
and Twitter
3724
01:23:12.930 --> 01:23:15.840
to silence people that may have offered what they called misinformation about
3725
01:23:15.840 --> 01:23:17.990
the COVID vaccine and the COVID virus in and of itself,
3726
01:23:18.250 --> 01:23:18.440
um,
3727
01:23:18.570 --> 01:23:19.880
and President Trump actually,
3728
01:23:20.010 --> 01:23:21.570
when he was running this past time,
3729
01:23:21.610 --> 01:23:24.980
he said that upon his inauguration he would have Congress send a bill to his desk
3730
01:23:25.130 --> 01:23:27.670
revising Section 230 of the Digital Communications Act
3731
01:23:27.830 --> 01:23:28.670
which would force,
3732
01:23:29.010 --> 01:23:29.040
uh,
3733
01:23:29.170 --> 01:23:29.690
if you know,
3734
01:23:29.810 --> 01:23:30.350
done the right way,
3735
01:23:30.370 --> 01:23:31.240
it would force TikTok,
3736
01:23:31.330 --> 01:23:31.720
Instagram,
3737
01:23:31.810 --> 01:23:32.120
YouTube,
3738
01:23:32.170 --> 01:23:32.750
you name it,
3739
01:23:32.980 --> 01:23:35.640
to give us the option to have a chronological feed of.
3740
01:23:35.730 --> 01:23:38.370
Information versus an algorithmically AI curated
3741
01:23:38.520 --> 01:23:38.950
feed
3742
01:23:39.120 --> 01:23:41.590
that would be the that's more pro free speech than anything I've seen
3743
01:23:41.590 --> 01:23:44.390
the Democrats present in the past 20 years and him appointing Brendan Carter,
3744
01:23:44.440 --> 01:23:45.500
the chair of the AFCC,
3745
01:23:45.680 --> 01:23:46.140
um,
3746
01:23:46.240 --> 01:23:49.330
and has is helping to slowly bring that in and he passed an executive order
3747
01:23:49.500 --> 01:23:50.710
when he first got in this time,
3748
01:23:50.920 --> 01:23:50.990
uh,
3749
01:23:51.540 --> 01:23:53.830
attacking government censorship on social media specifically.
3750
01:23:53.920 --> 01:23:53.980
See,
3751
01:23:54.000 --> 01:23:55.590
I'll let you say everything we can take our time,
3752
01:23:55.660 --> 01:23:56.490
you know we can we can.
3753
01:23:56.530 --> 01:23:58.100
It don't always gotta be a bunch of yelling 100%.
3754
01:23:58.250 --> 01:23:58.260
I,
3755
01:23:58.360 --> 01:23:59.260
I like yelling too though,
3756
01:23:59.280 --> 01:23:59.750
you know,
3757
01:23:59.960 --> 01:24:00.430
we might get there.
3758
01:24:00.450 --> 01:24:00.860
I don't know.
3759
01:24:01.430 --> 01:24:01.500
Well,
3760
01:24:01.550 --> 01:24:01.700
I mean,
3761
01:24:01.750 --> 01:24:03.620
I think the biggest thing there I have to address,
3762
01:24:03.750 --> 01:24:03.900
yes,
3763
01:24:04.030 --> 01:24:04.730
I'm gonna say
3764
01:24:04.910 --> 01:24:07.710
I think the stifling of freedom of speech on both sides is completely wrong,
3765
01:24:07.750 --> 01:24:08.180
you know.
3766
01:24:08.310 --> 01:24:09.180
You and I may disagree,
3767
01:24:09.270 --> 01:24:11.730
but you can hop on TikTok and call me a dumb stupid Democrat and be like,
3768
01:24:11.750 --> 01:24:12.060
damn man,
3769
01:24:12.110 --> 01:24:12.620
that kind of hurt,
3770
01:24:12.710 --> 01:24:13.400
but that's cool,
3771
01:24:13.710 --> 01:24:13.900
you know,
3772
01:24:13.990 --> 01:24:14.340
let's chill,
3773
01:24:14.430 --> 01:24:14.970
that's fine.
3774
01:24:15.110 --> 01:24:15.480
However,
3775
01:24:15.590 --> 01:24:18.610
I do think we have to also note the egregious amounts of
3776
01:24:18.710 --> 01:24:21.010
stifling of freedom of speech that this current administration has done.
3777
01:24:21.350 --> 01:24:23.820
Throwing the Associated Press out,
3778
01:24:23.950 --> 01:24:24.140
right?
3779
01:24:24.310 --> 01:24:26.140
Saying because they're saying the Gulf of Mexico.
3780
01:24:26.410 --> 01:24:30.390
And also now Trump lobbying and like kind of lobbying the TikTok ban
3781
01:24:30.720 --> 01:24:31.290
so
3782
01:24:31.550 --> 01:24:34.270
his biggest allies in the Ellison family and Oracle
3783
01:24:34.270 --> 01:24:37.220
can control the biggest social media platform in this country
3784
01:24:37.440 --> 01:24:38.680
in addition to him as well.
3785
01:24:38.850 --> 01:24:38.910
Look,
3786
01:24:39.000 --> 01:24:40.810
I don't like the fact that he got banned off of X,
3787
01:24:40.920 --> 01:24:40.970
uh,
3788
01:24:41.080 --> 01:24:43.860
but I also don't like the fact that he has this thing called True Social
3789
01:24:44.000 --> 01:24:47.080
where he is selling earlier tweets for insider information as well.
3790
01:24:47.280 --> 01:24:49.390
I think all of that is complete that more gets
3791
01:24:49.670 --> 01:24:49.680
me
3792
01:24:49.820 --> 01:24:50.070
I mean I'm not.
3793
01:24:50.500 --> 01:24:51.890
I'm not a fan of that either and that gets into,
3794
01:24:52.020 --> 01:24:52.200
you know,
3795
01:24:52.460 --> 01:24:55.800
crony crony capitalism which I'm not again I'm not a fan of but at the same time,
3796
01:24:56.130 --> 01:24:58.000
you know what what I what I'm for
3797
01:24:58.140 --> 01:24:58.600
is
3798
01:24:58.780 --> 01:24:59.930
pro free speech across the board.
3799
01:25:00.240 --> 01:25:00.290
Alright,
3800
01:25:00.420 --> 01:25:01.320
do you have to pause here?
3801
01:25:01.340 --> 01:25:02.730
You've been voted out by the majority.
3802
01:25:05.140 --> 01:25:05.640
It's all right.
3803
01:25:05.980 --> 01:25:06.090
Good,
3804
01:25:06.260 --> 01:25:07.090
very good conversation,
3805
01:25:07.300 --> 01:25:07.690
very good,
3806
01:25:07.730 --> 01:25:08.290
very good.
3807
01:25:08.420 --> 01:25:09.930
If you would like to be the next debater,
3808
01:25:10.060 --> 01:25:13.430
please get to the chair in 321.
3809
01:25:15.040 --> 01:25:15.840
Too fast.
3810
01:25:16.280 --> 01:25:17.070
Gotta be quicker than that.
3811
01:25:17.160 --> 01:25:17.900
I'm Mukobo.
3812
01:25:18.130 --> 01:25:18.470
Mukobo.
3813
01:25:18.510 --> 01:25:19.230
I'd say nice to meet you,
3814
01:25:19.280 --> 01:25:20.210
but I saw what happened to Z,
3815
01:25:20.360 --> 01:25:20.940
so
3816
01:25:21.320 --> 01:25:22.270
don't wanna get what happened to Z?
3817
01:25:22.360 --> 01:25:22.450
Well,
3818
01:25:22.680 --> 01:25:26.070
she said nice to meet you to Jake Lang and got like totally killed online.
3819
01:25:26.200 --> 01:25:26.230
Well,
3820
01:25:26.320 --> 01:25:26.590
I'm not.
3821
01:25:26.640 --> 01:25:26.710
Well,
3822
01:25:26.800 --> 01:25:27.030
damn,
3823
01:25:27.120 --> 01:25:27.790
I'm not Jake Lang.
3824
01:25:28.120 --> 01:25:29.070
My job is messing with you.
3825
01:25:29.360 --> 01:25:29.550
All right,
3826
01:25:29.680 --> 01:25:29.830
so,
3827
01:25:29.960 --> 01:25:30.110
uh,
3828
01:25:30.280 --> 01:25:30.700
your claim,
3829
01:25:30.800 --> 01:25:30.820
uh,
3830
01:25:31.080 --> 01:25:32.190
Republicans are more,
3831
01:25:32.360 --> 01:25:32.470
uh,
3832
01:25:32.720 --> 01:25:34.110
pro-free speech than Democrats.
3833
01:25:34.440 --> 01:25:34.490
I,
3834
01:25:34.600 --> 01:25:35.150
I disagree with that.
3835
01:25:35.200 --> 01:25:35.230
I.
3836
01:25:35.400 --> 01:25:35.540
I,
3837
01:25:35.590 --> 01:25:35.660
uh,
3838
01:25:35.750 --> 01:25:37.780
I do work for the San Diego County Democratic Party.
3839
01:25:38.150 --> 01:25:39.060
My views are my own,
3840
01:25:39.310 --> 01:25:39.840
um,
3841
01:25:40.110 --> 01:25:42.060
but there's a lot with the Democratic Party I disagree with.
3842
01:25:42.080 --> 01:25:43.500
I disagree with our views on the Middle East.
3843
01:25:43.590 --> 01:25:43.660
I,
3844
01:25:43.750 --> 01:25:44.580
I don't think we should be funding,
3845
01:25:44.610 --> 01:25:44.820
uh,
3846
01:25:44.990 --> 01:25:46.180
genocide in Palestine.
3847
01:25:46.350 --> 01:25:47.980
I disagree with a lot of what we're doing,
3848
01:25:48.230 --> 01:25:48.300
uh,
3849
01:25:48.790 --> 01:25:49.150
including,
3850
01:25:49.230 --> 01:25:49.420
uh,
3851
01:25:49.590 --> 01:25:50.690
with your claim about
3852
01:25:50.790 --> 01:25:51.050
the,
3853
01:25:51.190 --> 01:25:51.400
uh,
3854
01:25:51.710 --> 01:25:52.000
black,
3855
01:25:52.470 --> 01:25:53.070
black Americans.
3856
01:25:53.190 --> 01:25:53.300
Uh,
3857
01:25:53.470 --> 01:25:54.180
we should have reparations,
3858
01:25:54.230 --> 01:25:55.790
and it's a shame that we haven't done anything about it.
3859
01:25:56.330 --> 01:25:56.440
Well,
3860
01:25:56.530 --> 01:25:57.090
we agree there.
3861
01:25:57.210 --> 01:25:57.320
Yeah,
3862
01:25:57.450 --> 01:25:57.800
I also,
3863
01:25:57.890 --> 01:26:00.470
I also disagree on a lot of our views on free speech.
3864
01:26:00.630 --> 01:26:00.760
OK.
3865
01:26:00.970 --> 01:26:01.160
Uh,
3866
01:26:01.500 --> 01:26:02.240
both parties do this.
3867
01:26:02.310 --> 01:26:04.150
I don't think this is a left versus a right issue.
3868
01:26:04.290 --> 01:26:05.000
I think this is us,
3869
01:26:05.050 --> 01:26:06.210
the people versus them,
3870
01:26:06.250 --> 01:26:07.350
the establishment issue.
3871
01:26:07.610 --> 01:26:07.890
I agree.
3872
01:26:07.970 --> 01:26:08.160
I don't,
3873
01:26:08.210 --> 01:26:08.870
I don't disagree.
3874
01:26:09.010 --> 01:26:10.140
It's always good because we,
3875
01:26:10.220 --> 01:26:10.440
we can,
3876
01:26:10.530 --> 01:26:14.160
we can sit here for 20 minutes like picking and choosing examples of each side,
3877
01:26:14.330 --> 01:26:15.380
like Democrats with COVID.
3878
01:26:15.450 --> 01:26:15.560
Yes,
3879
01:26:15.810 --> 01:26:15.840
I,
3880
01:26:15.970 --> 01:26:16.040
I,
3881
01:26:16.130 --> 01:26:17.640
I do think that it's a slightly
3882
01:26:17.640 --> 01:26:19.710
different situation because millions of People died.
3883
01:26:19.900 --> 01:26:20.720
And when you have,
3884
01:26:20.900 --> 01:26:21.090
uh,
3885
01:26:21.260 --> 01:26:21.450
you know,
3886
01:26:21.780 --> 01:26:23.930
influencers and people claiming to inject
3887
01:26:23.930 --> 01:26:25.670
highlighter fluid into your bloodstream,
3888
01:26:25.900 --> 01:26:26.980
I think it's dangerous.
3889
01:26:27.400 --> 01:26:28.010
I think it's dangerous,
3890
01:26:28.060 --> 01:26:29.360
but I disagree with you on that.
3891
01:26:29.460 --> 01:26:30.160
I understand there,
3892
01:26:30.300 --> 01:26:31.330
but there are examples,
3893
01:26:31.380 --> 01:26:31.610
you know,
3894
01:26:31.780 --> 01:26:33.520
you're pro free speech when it benefits you,
3895
01:26:33.700 --> 01:26:34.530
you're anti-free speech,
3896
01:26:34.620 --> 01:26:34.660
not,
3897
01:26:34.780 --> 01:26:35.530
not you personally.
3898
01:26:35.580 --> 01:26:36.640
I'm talking about the establishment.
3899
01:26:37.020 --> 01:26:37.610
So like Trump,
3900
01:26:37.700 --> 01:26:37.970
for example,
3901
01:26:38.180 --> 01:26:38.610
in my opinion,
3902
01:26:38.780 --> 01:26:39.800
freedom of speech
3903
01:26:40.060 --> 01:26:40.480
is,
3904
01:26:40.660 --> 01:26:41.070
um,
3905
01:26:41.340 --> 01:26:41.410
well,
3906
01:26:41.460 --> 01:26:41.770
I'm shaking.
3907
01:26:41.990 --> 01:26:42.380
Just
3908
01:26:42.590 --> 01:26:43.580
freedom of speech is,
3909
01:26:43.620 --> 01:26:44.180
uh,
3910
01:26:44.510 --> 01:26:45.340
it's agreeing,
3911
01:26:45.470 --> 01:26:47.500
it's allowing people to say something you disagree with.
3912
01:26:47.630 --> 01:26:47.920
Yeah,
3913
01:26:47.950 --> 01:26:48.420
so me,
3914
01:26:48.470 --> 01:26:49.210
I think it is
3915
01:26:49.350 --> 01:26:51.780
very un-American to burn the American flag.
3916
01:26:51.950 --> 01:26:52.520
I think it is
3917
01:26:52.910 --> 01:26:54.370
absolutely ridiculous,
3918
01:26:54.790 --> 01:26:56.620
but it is part of freedom of speech.
3919
01:26:56.950 --> 01:26:57.680
So what I'm not,
3920
01:26:57.740 --> 01:26:58.420
not to cut you off,
3921
01:26:58.630 --> 01:26:59.660
when I'm saying this is like,
3922
01:26:59.750 --> 01:27:00.660
let's look at this in practice,
3923
01:27:00.750 --> 01:27:01.130
right?
3924
01:27:01.390 --> 01:27:02.420
I don't know,
3925
01:27:02.510 --> 01:27:03.940
and you can feel free to tell me if I,
3926
01:27:03.990 --> 01:27:04.580
if there is an example.
3927
01:27:05.160 --> 01:27:08.150
I don't know of a Democratic leader that was assassinated because
3928
01:27:08.150 --> 01:27:09.970
of the stuff that they said that they disagree with.
3929
01:27:10.120 --> 01:27:11.860
I know Charlie Kirk was killed because,
3930
01:27:12.120 --> 01:27:12.350
uh,
3931
01:27:13.000 --> 01:27:13.510
someone just said,
3932
01:27:13.600 --> 01:27:13.670
Hey,
3933
01:27:13.720 --> 01:27:14.310
fascist catch.
3934
01:27:14.400 --> 01:27:15.450
Charlie Kirk wasn't a fascist,
3935
01:27:15.470 --> 01:27:17.350
and I would have loved to debate Charlotte on a lot of things,
3936
01:27:17.520 --> 01:27:19.420
but that's the kind of thing that I'm speaking to.
3937
01:27:19.600 --> 01:27:19.750
When I,
3938
01:27:19.880 --> 01:27:20.830
so when I say pro-free speech,
3939
01:27:20.880 --> 01:27:21.220
I mean,
3940
01:27:21.320 --> 01:27:22.390
even if you disagree with me,
3941
01:27:22.560 --> 01:27:22.860
for example,
3942
01:27:22.960 --> 01:27:22.990
well,
3943
01:27:23.050 --> 01:27:23.200
I mean,
3944
01:27:23.290 --> 01:27:23.300
here,
3945
01:27:23.440 --> 01:27:23.520
let me,
3946
01:27:23.600 --> 01:27:23.690
let me,
3947
01:27:24.320 --> 01:27:25.900
can I respond to that because you're gonna keep going with the same
3948
01:27:26.160 --> 01:27:27.350
Democratic lawmakers look at Minnesota.
3949
01:27:27.730 --> 01:27:28.120
Like the,
3950
01:27:28.210 --> 01:27:29.880
the state lawmakers were murdered
3951
01:27:30.090 --> 01:27:31.410
for their political beliefs.
3952
01:27:31.530 --> 01:27:32.080
I think that's,
3953
01:27:32.210 --> 01:27:32.670
I am
3954
01:27:32.810 --> 01:27:34.030
not even 19 years old.
3955
01:27:34.170 --> 01:27:36.260
I have 4700 followers on Instagram.
3956
01:27:36.410 --> 01:27:37.350
I'm not that famous.
3957
01:27:37.490 --> 01:27:39.910
I have had 118 death threats
3958
01:27:40.050 --> 01:27:41.830
since January 1st of 2026.
3959
01:27:41.930 --> 01:27:42.840
I have had my phone number.
3960
01:27:43.230 --> 01:27:43.860
multiple times.
3961
01:27:43.950 --> 01:27:44.540
I have people,
3962
01:27:44.720 --> 01:27:45.930
I've had people call me
3963
01:27:46.070 --> 01:27:47.910
and say my address and say they're gonna kill me.
3964
01:27:48.070 --> 01:27:48.670
So I've had,
3965
01:27:48.750 --> 01:27:49.380
I've had death threats.
3966
01:27:49.640 --> 01:27:49.650
Yeah,
3967
01:27:49.830 --> 01:27:49.870
no,
3968
01:27:50.190 --> 01:27:50.980
I understand we've
3969
01:27:51.090 --> 01:27:51.270
got black
3970
01:27:51.390 --> 01:27:52.500
Republicans ain't had no death threats.
3971
01:27:52.910 --> 01:27:54.320
100% you've seen my TikTok,
3972
01:27:54.470 --> 01:27:54.860
but this is,
3973
01:27:54.910 --> 01:27:56.380
this is not a left versus right thing,
3974
01:27:56.510 --> 01:27:56.620
right?
3975
01:27:56.670 --> 01:27:56.760
It's,
3976
01:27:56.830 --> 01:27:57.450
it's true and,
3977
01:27:57.470 --> 01:27:57.770
and.
3978
01:27:58.490 --> 01:27:58.680
It's,
3979
01:27:58.730 --> 01:27:58.840
it's,
3980
01:27:58.920 --> 01:27:59.040
it's,
3981
01:27:59.120 --> 01:27:59.610
it's
3982
01:28:00.330 --> 01:28:01.280
us versus something like,
3983
01:28:01.370 --> 01:28:01.980
like I've been saying.
3984
01:28:02.260 --> 01:28:02.370
So
3985
01:28:02.610 --> 01:28:05.760
I don't think you can say one party is more pro-free speech than another party.
3986
01:28:05.910 --> 01:28:05.940
Well,
3987
01:28:06.090 --> 01:28:08.430
what I'm looking at is what we're looking at is within recent,
3988
01:28:08.810 --> 01:28:09.190
within
3989
01:28:09.330 --> 01:28:10.040
recent memory and as,
3990
01:28:10.090 --> 01:28:10.600
and as a whole.
3991
01:28:10.690 --> 01:28:11.290
That's what I'm saying.
3992
01:28:12.170 --> 01:28:12.680
We just have,
3993
01:28:12.770 --> 01:28:15.080
we have Donald Trump kicking the AP out.
3994
01:28:15.170 --> 01:28:16.000
Thank you for saying that
3995
01:28:16.250 --> 01:28:18.440
because they called it the mixer and that's you have
3996
01:28:18.440 --> 01:28:21.320
him calling reporters and he's wrong to do that.
3997
01:28:21.410 --> 01:28:23.610
So how are you saying you can't see more recent examples?
3998
01:28:23.740 --> 01:28:25.610
Of Republicans and Democrats because
3999
01:28:25.860 --> 01:28:29.770
our president is the most anti-free speech president we have had in decades.
4000
01:28:29.860 --> 01:28:29.890
No,
4001
01:28:30.020 --> 01:28:30.870
that's not true.
4002
01:28:31.070 --> 01:28:31.080
It
4003
01:28:31.200 --> 01:28:32.170
is 100% true.
4004
01:28:32.300 --> 01:28:34.690
I just told you that he's the only president that I've
4005
01:28:34.690 --> 01:28:36.980
seen that called for a revision of the digital communications,
4006
01:28:37.100 --> 01:28:37.920
so you can do one
4007
01:28:38.030 --> 01:28:38.070
good
4008
01:28:38.170 --> 01:28:38.180
thing
4009
01:28:38.330 --> 01:28:38.530
and many
4010
01:28:38.650 --> 01:28:39.550
bad things like that.
4011
01:28:39.660 --> 01:28:41.370
Don't understand if that's you don't understand,
4012
01:28:41.520 --> 01:28:41.530
oh
4013
01:28:41.660 --> 01:28:41.890
my God,
4014
01:28:42.140 --> 01:28:42.570
you don't
4015
01:28:42.940 --> 01:28:43.780
you're not understanding,
4016
01:28:43.940 --> 01:28:44.370
stop yelling.
4017
01:28:44.420 --> 01:28:45.010
We don't have to yell.
4018
01:28:45.080 --> 01:28:46.210
You're not understanding.
4019
01:28:46.390 --> 01:28:46.410
OK,
4020
01:28:46.430 --> 01:28:46.820
pause.
4021
01:28:47.060 --> 01:28:48.480
You've been voted out by the majority.
4022
01:28:50.170 --> 01:28:51.640
If you would like to be the next debater,
4023
01:28:51.810 --> 01:28:55.190
please get to the chair in 321.
4024
01:28:59.010 --> 01:28:59.630
You're back.
4025
01:28:59.890 --> 01:29:00.400
I'm back.
4026
01:29:00.530 --> 01:29:01.520
We're ready to do this again,
4027
01:29:01.610 --> 01:29:01.800
huh?
4028
01:29:01.930 --> 01:29:02.400
We're gonna try.
4029
01:29:02.530 --> 01:29:04.520
Give me a little bit more of your why behind this claim.
4030
01:29:04.650 --> 01:29:05.310
So like I said,
4031
01:29:05.330 --> 01:29:05.720
I'm going back.
4032
01:29:05.770 --> 01:29:06.930
My chief example is that if,
4033
01:29:06.950 --> 01:29:09.120
if Donald Trump does actually get the US government
4034
01:29:09.120 --> 01:29:11.230
to revise Section 230 of the Digital Communications Act,
4035
01:29:11.330 --> 01:29:13.690
then the Internet is no longer going to be algorithmically curated.
4036
01:29:13.850 --> 01:29:14.200
They can't,
4037
01:29:14.250 --> 01:29:14.730
they can't,
4038
01:29:14.850 --> 01:29:15.270
they can't,
4039
01:29:15.370 --> 01:29:15.650
uh,
4040
01:29:15.890 --> 01:29:16.640
places like TikTok,
4041
01:29:16.730 --> 01:29:17.040
Instagram,
4042
01:29:17.130 --> 01:29:17.500
YouTube,
4043
01:29:17.850 --> 01:29:19.000
everybody gets a fair shot to go viral.
4044
01:29:19.120 --> 01:29:19.550
Essentially,
4045
01:29:19.740 --> 01:29:20.090
because
4046
01:29:20.250 --> 01:29:21.560
you're offering users
4047
01:29:21.670 --> 01:29:23.840
any platform that has over a million active monthly users
4048
01:29:23.840 --> 01:29:26.170
would be forced to offer you either a chronological feed
4049
01:29:26.310 --> 01:29:27.600
or a for you page essentially
4050
01:29:27.750 --> 01:29:28.210
where
4051
01:29:28.350 --> 01:29:31.020
chronologically you see every post just at the time the creator posted it,
4052
01:29:31.230 --> 01:29:31.610
um,
4053
01:29:31.830 --> 01:29:33.620
algorithmically curated they can modify it,
4054
01:29:34.030 --> 01:29:35.030
promotes push stuff up,
4055
01:29:35.150 --> 01:29:36.350
tear stuff down based on
4056
01:29:36.630 --> 01:29:38.330
whatever arbitrary bullshit that they want.
4057
01:29:38.430 --> 01:29:38.580
OK,
4058
01:29:38.710 --> 01:29:39.980
I appreciate the word salad.
4059
01:29:41.200 --> 01:29:41.280
Oh,
4060
01:29:41.310 --> 01:29:41.980
it's definitely worse,
4061
01:29:42.350 --> 01:29:43.180
because let me tell you something,
4062
01:29:43.200 --> 01:29:44.290
I think the right
4063
01:29:44.690 --> 01:29:46.560
wants to make free speech benefit
4064
01:29:46.670 --> 01:29:47.060
them
4065
01:29:47.270 --> 01:29:48.100
when they want to
4066
01:29:48.290 --> 01:29:50.520
because you gave an example of Charlie Kirk.
4067
01:29:51.790 --> 01:29:52.020
Hold on,
4068
01:29:52.110 --> 01:29:53.090
let me pull up my seat.
4069
01:29:54.240 --> 01:29:54.990
Get ready.
4070
01:29:55.280 --> 01:29:57.230
So let's talk about Charlie Curt's assassination.
4071
01:29:57.480 --> 01:29:59.670
Liberals had a lot to say about it.
4072
01:30:00.060 --> 01:30:01.350
They called him racist,
4073
01:30:01.560 --> 01:30:02.260
bigoted,
4074
01:30:02.370 --> 01:30:03.510
he was very transphobic,
4075
01:30:03.600 --> 01:30:04.820
he had his views.
4076
01:30:05.000 --> 01:30:06.750
And yet I found that Republicans,
4077
01:30:06.840 --> 01:30:07.200
excuse me,
4078
01:30:07.240 --> 01:30:09.270
do not interrupt a black trans woman when she's speaking.
4079
01:30:09.680 --> 01:30:11.190
I found it very ironic.
4080
01:30:11.680 --> 01:30:12.320
Excuse me,
4081
01:30:13.120 --> 01:30:13.910
excuse me,
4082
01:30:14.000 --> 01:30:16.700
I find it ironic that a lot of Republicans
4083
01:30:16.880 --> 01:30:20.230
were trying to come for the liberals that had a lot to say about Charlie Kirk's death.
4084
01:30:20.320 --> 01:30:20.860
Is that not
4085
01:30:21.110 --> 01:30:21.200
free
4086
01:30:21.450 --> 01:30:21.740
speech?
4087
01:30:22.180 --> 01:30:22.630
Exactly.
4088
01:30:22.920 --> 01:30:24.260
And so the problem is
4089
01:30:24.560 --> 01:30:27.880
y'all were the biggest snowflakes when it came to free speech.
4090
01:30:28.330 --> 01:30:28.400
I mean
4091
01:30:28.520 --> 01:30:29.230
you deserved it.
4092
01:30:29.360 --> 01:30:29.600
Did you
4093
01:30:29.730 --> 01:30:30.190
forget that the
4094
01:30:30.520 --> 01:30:31.520
fact of the matter is
4095
01:30:32.280 --> 01:30:34.050
that it's still covered under free speech though.
4096
01:30:34.200 --> 01:30:34.970
That's the point.
4097
01:30:35.320 --> 01:30:36.030
But let me finish.
4098
01:30:36.330 --> 01:30:36.510
Hold on,
4099
01:30:36.560 --> 01:30:37.310
let me finish.
4100
01:30:38.000 --> 01:30:38.390
And no,
4101
01:30:38.560 --> 01:30:38.620
no,
4102
01:30:38.680 --> 01:30:38.710
no,
4103
01:30:38.840 --> 01:30:39.700
let me finish my point,
4104
01:30:39.720 --> 01:30:40.910
and you can say what you need to say,
4105
01:30:40.970 --> 01:30:41.630
I promise.
4106
01:30:42.200 --> 01:30:44.170
They created an Excel sheet
4107
01:30:44.430 --> 01:30:48.650
to go out to make a list of liberal people who had a lot to say about Charlie Kirk.
4108
01:30:48.760 --> 01:30:50.060
They call their jobs.
4109
01:30:50.830 --> 01:30:50.840
They
4110
01:30:51.200 --> 01:30:51.760
doxed them.
4111
01:30:52.120 --> 01:30:52.900
It was so much,
4112
01:30:53.240 --> 01:30:54.870
but your party started that.
4113
01:30:55.520 --> 01:30:55.790
Wait a minute,
4114
01:30:55.880 --> 01:30:56.030
stop.
4115
01:30:56.120 --> 01:30:56.610
Hold on a second.
4116
01:30:56.680 --> 01:30:57.270
Let me respond to that.
4117
01:30:57.360 --> 01:30:59.030
When they do that type of stupid shit,
4118
01:30:59.080 --> 01:30:59.390
they're wrong.
4119
01:30:59.480 --> 01:31:00.690
Anybody getting doxed is wrong.
4120
01:31:00.840 --> 01:31:03.310
But while I may never agree with a lot of the stuff you may say,
4121
01:31:03.440 --> 01:31:05.300
I will defend to the death your right to say it.
4122
01:31:05.480 --> 01:31:07.340
There should be nothing wrong with me saying
4123
01:31:07.480 --> 01:31:09.790
biological men should only play with biological men.
4124
01:31:09.960 --> 01:31:11.720
There should be nothing wrong with me saying that a trans that
4125
01:31:11.840 --> 01:31:13.600
that a ran that the trans community
4126
01:31:13.840 --> 01:31:14.680
should stick with,
4127
01:31:14.800 --> 01:31:16.990
should play against some other members of that community.
4128
01:31:17.120 --> 01:31:18.280
There should be nothing wrong with making a statement.
4129
01:31:18.360 --> 01:31:19.150
You can disagree all day long.
4130
01:31:19.240 --> 01:31:20.380
That's the purpose of America.
4131
01:31:20.720 --> 01:31:21.390
Second example,
4132
01:31:21.640 --> 01:31:21.970
when Trump
4133
01:31:22.120 --> 01:31:23.460
Starting an illegal war
4134
01:31:23.760 --> 01:31:26.180
and everybody in the media criticized him for it.
4135
01:31:26.520 --> 01:31:28.160
All of a sudden this is a war with Iran.
4136
01:31:28.240 --> 01:31:28.330
Oh,
4137
01:31:28.440 --> 01:31:29.560
so you want the US government to
4138
01:31:31.200 --> 01:31:32.350
let's not go down that rabbit hole.
4139
01:31:32.400 --> 01:31:33.640
I'm just making an example.
4140
01:31:33.960 --> 01:31:35.200
I'm making an analysis,
4141
01:31:35.400 --> 01:31:36.670
so follow me on the analysis.
4142
01:31:36.760 --> 01:31:37.780
Can you follow me?
4143
01:31:38.200 --> 01:31:39.870
I've been I've been leading the conversation,
4144
01:31:39.960 --> 01:31:41.270
not following y'all are sitting here around me,
4145
01:31:41.360 --> 01:31:42.030
not the other way around.
4146
01:31:42.360 --> 01:31:43.350
I've been leading the conversation.
4147
01:31:43.520 --> 01:31:44.390
Whatever you say,
4148
01:31:44.480 --> 01:31:44.910
OK,
4149
01:31:46.240 --> 01:31:46.710
I doubt it,
4150
01:31:46.760 --> 01:31:47.620
but anyways,
4151
01:31:48.080 --> 01:31:48.810
when we talk about like
4152
01:31:48.920 --> 01:31:49.190
Donald,
4153
01:31:49.320 --> 01:31:50.330
this whole thing with Donald Trump,
4154
01:31:50.400 --> 01:31:53.000
Donald Trump has tried his best to shut down the media in any
4155
01:31:53.150 --> 01:31:53.990
way possible.
4156
01:31:54.160 --> 01:31:55.960
All of a sudden these big corporate mergers,
4157
01:31:56.690 --> 01:31:56.750
um,
4158
01:31:57.440 --> 01:31:57.910
excuse me,
4159
01:31:58.000 --> 01:31:58.620
hold on,
4160
01:31:58.920 --> 01:31:59.750
hold on,
4161
01:32:00.120 --> 01:32:00.790
let me finish,
4162
01:32:01.000 --> 01:32:02.670
let me finish my point
4163
01:32:02.920 --> 01:32:06.010
with these big corporations that are merging together
4164
01:32:06.360 --> 01:32:09.750
like with the whole thing with CBS News becoming much more conservative,
4165
01:32:09.960 --> 01:32:12.440
I find it ironic that they want to suppress
4166
01:32:12.560 --> 01:32:13.950
what is really going down.
4167
01:32:14.240 --> 01:32:15.550
Donald Trump is trying to find.
4168
01:32:16.320 --> 01:32:16.650
bias
4169
01:32:16.850 --> 01:32:17.060
against
4170
01:32:17.210 --> 01:32:18.230
Donald Trump since the first time he ran
4171
01:32:18.840 --> 01:32:20.630
the CEO of CBS
4172
01:32:20.880 --> 01:32:22.420
has ties to Donald Trump,
4173
01:32:22.600 --> 01:32:27.020
and what I'm trying to say to you is when Barry Weiss took over CBS News,
4174
01:32:27.200 --> 01:32:28.750
that is when the downhill started.
4175
01:32:28.880 --> 01:32:29.830
Staff has been laid off.
4176
01:32:30.680 --> 01:32:34.100
The ratings in CBS News ratings have declined
4177
01:32:34.320 --> 01:32:34.780
so much.
4178
01:32:35.200 --> 01:32:35.470
But no,
4179
01:32:35.520 --> 01:32:36.070
what I'm saying,
4180
01:32:36.120 --> 01:32:37.100
what I'm saying is,
4181
01:32:37.620 --> 01:32:40.350
but what I'm saying is I just need you to listen to me then.
4182
01:32:40.640 --> 01:32:42.330
What I'm saying is the right.
4183
01:32:42.930 --> 01:32:43.630
The right
4184
01:32:43.930 --> 01:32:46.850
wants to make it beneficial to them when it comes to free speech.
4185
01:32:46.930 --> 01:32:48.120
Both sides do that shit.
4186
01:32:48.290 --> 01:32:48.590
I don't,
4187
01:32:48.610 --> 01:32:49.620
I disagree with you.
4188
01:32:49.690 --> 01:32:49.960
OK,
4189
01:32:50.090 --> 01:32:51.030
so if you disagree with me.
4190
01:32:51.050 --> 01:32:51.250
All right,
4191
01:32:51.370 --> 01:32:51.480
cool.
4192
01:32:51.690 --> 01:32:52.580
So then answer me this.
4193
01:32:52.720 --> 01:32:54.430
Back in 2011,
4194
01:32:54.450 --> 01:32:54.720
2010,
4195
01:32:54.850 --> 01:32:55.460
somewhere around there,
4196
01:32:55.730 --> 01:32:58.160
didn't Donald Trump take his ass on The View and Whoopi gave him a hug and a
4197
01:32:58.160 --> 01:33:01.000
kiss and Joey Bayard gave him a hug and a kiss before he ran for president?
4198
01:33:01.090 --> 01:33:01.560
Did that not happen?
4199
01:33:01.650 --> 01:33:02.010
Yes or no.
4200
01:33:03.260 --> 01:33:03.770
It was
4201
01:33:04.080 --> 01:33:04.440
Donald Trump.
4202
01:33:04.530 --> 01:33:04.600
No,
4203
01:33:04.770 --> 01:33:05.320
let me finish.
4204
01:33:05.890 --> 01:33:07.160
Don't interrupt the black man when he's speaking.
4205
01:33:08.190 --> 01:33:08.200
Right,
4206
01:33:08.730 --> 01:33:08.930
right,
4207
01:33:09.170 --> 01:33:09.520
right.
4208
01:33:09.780 --> 01:33:10.270
So
4209
01:33:10.410 --> 01:33:12.200
did they not give him a hug and a kiss when
4210
01:33:12.200 --> 01:33:13.800
he was on The View before he ran for president?
4211
01:33:14.090 --> 01:33:15.320
Before Donald Trump ran for president,
4212
01:33:15.570 --> 01:33:16.080
amazingly,
4213
01:33:16.200 --> 01:33:18.150
the media with Sheen was not against him.
4214
01:33:18.250 --> 01:33:19.360
When Donald Trump ran for president,
4215
01:33:19.490 --> 01:33:20.400
now he's a racist,
4216
01:33:20.570 --> 01:33:21.090
now he's all this,
4217
01:33:21.130 --> 01:33:21.480
that and third.
4218
01:33:21.690 --> 01:33:22.680
You wasn't hearing none of this.
4219
01:33:22.770 --> 01:33:23.710
There were black rappers saying,
4220
01:33:23.730 --> 01:33:25.040
I want to have money like Donald Trump.
4221
01:33:28.060 --> 01:33:31.690
Left-handed they have always had an inherent bias against conservatives.
4222
01:33:32.590 --> 01:33:33.980
What is the exact why?
4223
01:33:34.650 --> 01:33:36.790
Because Donald Trump has always been a racist.
4224
01:33:36.820 --> 01:33:38.120
He's always been a bigoted.
4225
01:33:38.300 --> 01:33:39.440
It's just that now
4226
01:33:39.580 --> 01:33:42.960
he is given free permission for those who are already like that
4227
01:33:43.140 --> 01:33:44.990
and that are in this country to
4228
01:33:45.130 --> 01:33:45.780
express it.
4229
01:33:46.260 --> 01:33:47.960
Racists are able to do that.
4230
01:33:49.360 --> 01:33:50.290
I'm from Mississippi,
4231
01:33:50.310 --> 01:33:50.660
baby.
4232
01:33:50.940 --> 01:33:51.060
I
4233
01:33:51.180 --> 01:33:51.640
come from,
4234
01:33:51.660 --> 01:33:52.460
I come from him.
4235
01:33:52.500 --> 01:33:53.250
What are you saying?
4236
01:33:53.300 --> 01:33:54.090
I'm from Atlantic Corps.
4237
01:33:54.150 --> 01:33:54.610
I come from.
4238
01:33:54.700 --> 01:33:55.560
The Freedom Summer.
4239
01:33:55.690 --> 01:33:57.370
My ancestors was all part of that,
4240
01:33:57.650 --> 01:33:58.220
and I was born
4241
01:33:58.470 --> 01:33:59.680
Martin Luther King was born in the same town,
4242
01:33:59.930 --> 01:34:00.310
so you,
4243
01:34:00.490 --> 01:34:01.590
you cannot sit up there and,
4244
01:34:01.610 --> 01:34:03.230
and booty clap your cheeks
4245
01:34:03.330 --> 01:34:04.230
for Donald Trump
4246
01:34:04.570 --> 01:34:05.200
when you stepped out.
4247
01:34:05.760 --> 01:34:06.650
I think you are.
4248
01:34:06.970 --> 01:34:07.840
I think you are
4249
01:34:08.110 --> 01:34:08.650
because the thing is,
4250
01:34:09.330 --> 01:34:09.770
and the way,
4251
01:34:09.850 --> 01:34:11.090
and the way that he has demean
4252
01:34:11.210 --> 01:34:11.610
black people,
4253
01:34:11.850 --> 01:34:13.870
the way that he has demeaned black people,
4254
01:34:13.930 --> 01:34:15.370
you really would sit up here and defend
4255
01:34:15.590 --> 01:34:16.350
something like that.
4256
01:34:16.690 --> 01:34:17.900
He is misogynistic.
4257
01:34:17.990 --> 01:34:19.040
He is transphobic.
4258
01:34:19.330 --> 01:34:21.180
He has taken rights away from trans people like.
4259
01:34:21.480 --> 01:34:21.830
Nobody's
4260
01:34:21.930 --> 01:34:22.200
business.
4261
01:34:22.360 --> 01:34:22.650
Trump is
4262
01:34:22.790 --> 01:34:22.920
responding.
4263
01:34:24.880 --> 01:34:25.740
You're saying something
4264
01:34:26.160 --> 01:34:28.470
you are saying something that is patently false.
4265
01:34:28.640 --> 01:34:29.690
If he's misogynistic,
4266
01:34:30.480 --> 01:34:31.950
I can prove it with one of my good friends,
4267
01:34:32.080 --> 01:34:32.790
Michaela Montgomery.
4268
01:34:32.840 --> 01:34:33.840
Y'all should go look her up.
4269
01:34:34.080 --> 01:34:34.630
Why would he,
4270
01:34:34.680 --> 01:34:35.550
if he's misogynistic,
4271
01:34:35.640 --> 01:34:36.910
why would he appoint a black woman as one of
4272
01:34:36.910 --> 01:34:38.630
the first speakers at all of his rallies in Georgia?
4273
01:34:38.650 --> 01:34:39.690
Just because he's misogynistic
4274
01:34:39.840 --> 01:34:40.530
one black woman,
4275
01:34:40.600 --> 01:34:41.490
he does not
4276
01:34:42.240 --> 01:34:42.670
misogynist.
4277
01:34:43.400 --> 01:34:43.550
So why,
4278
01:34:43.720 --> 01:34:44.050
why
4279
01:34:44.260 --> 01:34:44.270
would
4280
01:34:44.990 --> 01:34:45.000
he,
4281
01:34:45.280 --> 01:34:45.810
so if that's the case,
4282
01:34:46.120 --> 01:34:47.340
why would he appoint a black woman
4283
01:34:47.710 --> 01:34:47.930
if that's.
4284
01:34:48.230 --> 01:34:50.220
Why would Donald Trump then also appoint a black woman by
4285
01:34:50.220 --> 01:34:52.420
the name of Alice Johnson to be his pardon czar?
4286
01:34:52.440 --> 01:34:52.620
Alice,
4287
01:34:52.710 --> 01:34:53.690
you're gonna be the pardon czar,
4288
01:34:53.750 --> 01:34:55.250
and she has now overturned
4289
01:34:55.470 --> 01:34:56.490
multiple convictions
4290
01:34:56.630 --> 01:34:56.970
for
4291
01:34:57.110 --> 01:34:58.570
misdemeanor crimes and others.
4292
01:34:58.670 --> 01:34:59.140
And who,
4293
01:34:59.230 --> 01:34:59.340
who,
4294
01:34:59.430 --> 01:35:00.140
who most locked up?
4295
01:35:00.390 --> 01:35:01.220
Who most benefits from that?
4296
01:35:01.270 --> 01:35:01.600
Why
4297
01:35:02.230 --> 01:35:04.460
we have an administration with Pam Bondi,
4298
01:35:04.630 --> 01:35:05.260
Christie Norm,
4299
01:35:05.350 --> 01:35:06.140
all these white,
4300
01:35:06.280 --> 01:35:07.030
all these white women
4301
01:35:07.930 --> 01:35:09.240
and she got fired and
4302
01:35:09.430 --> 01:35:09.700
fired.
4303
01:35:09.750 --> 01:35:10.900
She didn't release the files and then
4304
01:35:11.030 --> 01:35:11.530
turn around and,
4305
01:35:11.910 --> 01:35:12.050
yeah,
4306
01:35:12.070 --> 01:35:13.420
we're gonna have to pause here.
4307
01:35:13.710 --> 01:35:14.460
Thank you.
4308
01:35:15.770 --> 01:35:16.440
You tried it.
4309
01:35:17.050 --> 01:35:17.820
You tried it.
4310
01:35:18.170 --> 01:35:18.880
I'm one of them ones,
4311
01:35:18.940 --> 01:35:19.120
twin,
4312
01:35:19.210 --> 01:35:19.790
I promise you.
4313
01:35:19.930 --> 01:35:21.400
If you would like to be the next debater,
4314
01:35:21.570 --> 01:35:25.200
please get to the chair in 321.
4315
01:35:27.490 --> 01:35:28.760
She said y'all ain't fast enough.
4316
01:35:28.980 --> 01:35:29.440
What's your name?
4317
01:35:30.130 --> 01:35:30.400
Austin,
4318
01:35:30.450 --> 01:35:30.720
nice to meet you,
4319
01:35:30.740 --> 01:35:30.800
Mr.
4320
01:35:30.890 --> 01:35:31.080
Abby.
4321
01:35:31.210 --> 01:35:31.360
OK,
4322
01:35:31.490 --> 01:35:32.470
so I just want to talk about,
4323
01:35:32.490 --> 01:35:34.920
I think you've conceded a lot of points about like things
4324
01:35:34.920 --> 01:35:36.480
that you don't agree with that Donald Trump has done,
4325
01:35:36.530 --> 01:35:36.720
right?
4326
01:35:36.770 --> 01:35:36.840
Oh,
4327
01:35:36.930 --> 01:35:37.790
he's done a lot.
4328
01:35:38.010 --> 01:35:38.130
OK,
4329
01:35:38.210 --> 01:35:38.550
so
4330
01:35:38.810 --> 01:35:41.840
the argument is Democrats versus Republicans and Donald
4331
01:35:41.840 --> 01:35:43.600
Trump is a part of the Republican Party.
4332
01:35:43.650 --> 01:35:45.910
Isn't that things that the Republican Party has done
4333
01:35:45.910 --> 01:35:47.520
because he is the leader of the Republican Party.
4334
01:35:47.620 --> 01:35:49.070
Party that is anti-free speech.
4335
01:35:49.170 --> 01:35:49.240
No,
4336
01:35:49.370 --> 01:35:49.810
what I'm
4337
01:35:50.110 --> 01:35:52.790
remember what I'm saying specifically is that he's done something
4338
01:35:53.130 --> 01:35:55.960
with advocating for the revision of Section 230 of our communications,
4339
01:35:56.330 --> 01:35:56.400
right?
4340
01:35:56.450 --> 01:35:56.520
No,
4341
01:35:56.570 --> 01:35:57.480
that's a huge thing though.
4342
01:35:57.570 --> 01:35:58.040
That's what I'm saying.
4343
01:35:58.130 --> 01:35:59.640
But there are other huge things that have happened,
4344
01:35:59.710 --> 01:35:59.850
right?
4345
01:35:59.930 --> 01:36:02.080
He's taken away funding from PBS and or threatened
4346
01:36:02.080 --> 01:36:03.790
to take away funding from PBS and NPR,
4347
01:36:03.850 --> 01:36:04.080
right?
4348
01:36:04.440 --> 01:36:06.270
Because they don't agree with they were running anti-Trump,
4349
01:36:06.650 --> 01:36:06.870
right?
4350
01:36:06.930 --> 01:36:07.060
OK,
4351
01:36:07.170 --> 01:36:07.360
OK,
4352
01:36:07.450 --> 01:36:07.670
so
4353
01:36:07.770 --> 01:36:08.290
that is that not.
4354
01:36:08.300 --> 01:36:09.080
Anti-free speech.
4355
01:36:09.170 --> 01:36:09.180
OK,
4356
01:36:10.770 --> 01:36:11.880
so then he's banned certain,
4357
01:36:12.100 --> 01:36:13.520
he's banned AP news from the press room.
4358
01:36:13.650 --> 01:36:14.890
Is that not anti-free speech?
4359
01:36:15.050 --> 01:36:15.230
Yeah,
4360
01:36:15.370 --> 01:36:15.560
again,
4361
01:36:15.770 --> 01:36:17.400
he has done a lot of things that are anti-free speech,
4362
01:36:17.450 --> 01:36:17.710
but
4363
01:36:18.280 --> 01:36:18.290
there
4364
01:36:18.410 --> 01:36:20.400
is not a majority of things that he's done that are
4365
01:36:20.400 --> 01:36:22.560
anti-free speech that I would say overpower that one thing.
4366
01:36:22.690 --> 01:36:22.940
No,
4367
01:36:23.130 --> 01:36:23.660
because of this,
4368
01:36:23.770 --> 01:36:24.190
I'll tell you why,
4369
01:36:24.280 --> 01:36:25.240
because of scale of impact.
4370
01:36:25.450 --> 01:36:28.920
If the Digital Communications Act is actually revised and put into law.
4371
01:36:29.280 --> 01:36:30.700
That would literally allow everyone
4372
01:36:30.920 --> 01:36:31.500
imagine
4373
01:36:31.640 --> 01:36:33.070
we could all say I think we'd all agree that
4374
01:36:33.070 --> 01:36:35.070
going viral on the Internet is essentially a lotto ticket,
4375
01:36:35.130 --> 01:36:35.240
right?
4376
01:36:35.280 --> 01:36:37.020
You gotta throw more stuff at the wall and see what sticks.
4377
01:36:37.240 --> 01:36:38.520
You revise that law,
4378
01:36:38.640 --> 01:36:40.620
you now force the Internet to give
4379
01:36:40.640 --> 01:36:42.880
everybody the same amount of potential viewership
4380
01:36:43.180 --> 01:36:44.550
regardless of algorithmic curation.
4381
01:36:44.720 --> 01:36:46.800
So if he does that and gets that passed into the law,
4382
01:36:47.230 --> 01:36:49.190
damn him banning the press away because presidents can
4383
01:36:49.190 --> 01:36:50.210
do that like that's the power of the president.
4384
01:36:50.240 --> 01:36:51.500
If you don't want a press member in
4385
01:36:51.640 --> 01:36:52.220
in your
4386
01:36:52.330 --> 01:36:52.780
meeting room,
4387
01:36:52.840 --> 01:36:53.470
you have the right to ban him.
4388
01:36:53.710 --> 01:36:53.720
Alright,
4389
01:36:53.760 --> 01:36:54.760
we're gonna have to pause here.
4390
01:36:54.800 --> 01:36:56.110
You've been voted out by the majority.
4391
01:36:56.520 --> 01:36:57.020
That was good.
4392
01:36:57.040 --> 01:36:57.590
That was good.
4393
01:36:59.300 --> 01:37:00.910
If you would like to be the next debater,
4394
01:37:01.080 --> 01:37:04.540
please get to the chair in 321.
4395
01:37:07.370 --> 01:37:07.970
How are you sir?
4396
01:37:08.570 --> 01:37:09.120
What's your name?
4397
01:37:09.250 --> 01:37:09.610
Alex
4398
01:37:09.850 --> 01:37:10.440
Alex Austin,
4399
01:37:10.490 --> 01:37:11.070
nice to meet you Alex.
4400
01:37:11.170 --> 01:37:11.370
Alright,
4401
01:37:11.450 --> 01:37:15.080
I just kinda wanted to expand a little bit on this bill that you're talking about,
4402
01:37:15.170 --> 01:37:15.440
right?
4403
01:37:15.570 --> 01:37:16.870
So we're talking about,
4404
01:37:17.090 --> 01:37:17.160
well,
4405
01:37:17.180 --> 01:37:17.710
it'll be a revision,
4406
01:37:17.730 --> 01:37:18.800
it's not a bill yet or revision,
4407
01:37:18.970 --> 01:37:19.210
right?
4408
01:37:19.370 --> 01:37:21.310
So if we're going from getting rid of algorithms,
4409
01:37:21.330 --> 01:37:22.040
which I agree with,
4410
01:37:22.130 --> 01:37:22.320
right,
4411
01:37:22.530 --> 01:37:24.140
big tech has done a lot of,
4412
01:37:24.170 --> 01:37:24.470
uh,
4413
01:37:24.490 --> 01:37:25.080
damage that way,
4414
01:37:25.160 --> 01:37:25.360
right,
4415
01:37:25.450 --> 01:37:26.950
to something that becomes
4416
01:37:27.210 --> 01:37:28.600
strictly chronological,
4417
01:37:28.810 --> 01:37:29.260
how do we.
4418
01:37:29.460 --> 01:37:29.530
No,
4419
01:37:29.580 --> 01:37:29.890
no,
4420
01:37:29.920 --> 01:37:30.050
no,
4421
01:37:30.140 --> 01:37:30.290
no,
4422
01:37:30.380 --> 01:37:32.240
not strictly it's just giving people the option
4423
01:37:32.340 --> 01:37:34.100
that's all it's giving people the option yeah if you
4424
01:37:34.100 --> 01:37:36.750
if it was revised you would have the option to either
4425
01:37:36.900 --> 01:37:38.030
choose a chronological feed
4426
01:37:38.140 --> 01:37:39.320
or a curated feed,
4427
01:37:39.520 --> 01:37:39.770
OK,
4428
01:37:39.900 --> 01:37:40.810
so it doesn't take one thing away,
4429
01:37:40.830 --> 01:37:42.920
it just adds another option that we actually should have already had.
4430
01:37:43.220 --> 01:37:47.240
So how does that help address what I feel like the deeper problem is is that like
4431
01:37:47.440 --> 01:37:50.530
we get into echo chambers my echo chamber might be different than your echo chamber,
4432
01:37:50.550 --> 01:37:51.610
but we're kind of siloed,
4433
01:37:51.670 --> 01:37:51.960
right?
4434
01:37:52.330 --> 01:37:53.530
So how does that bill
4435
01:37:53.970 --> 01:37:55.200
necessarily address that problem,
4436
01:37:55.290 --> 01:37:55.360
right,
4437
01:37:55.450 --> 01:37:57.800
even if you're doing a chronological choice,
4438
01:37:58.010 --> 01:37:59.440
I'm still picking what I follow.
4439
01:37:59.530 --> 01:38:00.800
You still pick what you follow.
4440
01:38:00.930 --> 01:38:01.600
So I just wanted to hear,
4441
01:38:01.700 --> 01:38:01.740
well,
4442
01:38:01.770 --> 01:38:02.080
it's just,
4443
01:38:02.130 --> 01:38:02.330
I mean,
4444
01:38:02.770 --> 01:38:03.640
everybody's gonna have preferences.
4445
01:38:03.770 --> 01:38:04.250
It's the,
4446
01:38:04.280 --> 01:38:04.450
the,
4447
01:38:04.530 --> 01:38:06.320
the revision of Section 230 is not designed to
4448
01:38:06.320 --> 01:38:08.360
eliminate people's ability to choose what they want.
4449
01:38:08.450 --> 01:38:10.190
It just frees up the amount of choice that you have.
4450
01:38:10.330 --> 01:38:10.720
If you,
4451
01:38:10.810 --> 01:38:13.990
I should be able to know that when I open TikTok or wanna go on YouTube and get the news
4452
01:38:14.090 --> 01:38:14.720
that every.
4453
01:38:14.830 --> 01:38:15.830
Creator I'm seeing
4454
01:38:16.300 --> 01:38:18.210
has the same access to me as the people
4455
01:38:18.210 --> 01:38:20.330
that already have these huge big ass established platforms.
4456
01:38:20.380 --> 01:38:21.160
There should be no
4457
01:38:21.400 --> 01:38:24.710
reason that Officer Tatum is guaranteed more reach than someone like
4458
01:38:24.860 --> 01:38:25.800
Tashika or that
4459
01:38:25.940 --> 01:38:27.470
uh Zena is guaranteed more reach than
4460
01:38:27.610 --> 01:38:27.770
me.
4461
01:38:27.860 --> 01:38:28.050
I mean,
4462
01:38:28.180 --> 01:38:28.310
there,
4463
01:38:28.340 --> 01:38:29.090
there should be no reason for that.
4464
01:38:29.150 --> 01:38:29.880
Everyone should have
4465
01:38:30.020 --> 01:38:33.960
the equality of opportunity in the on the Internet that way the truly talented of us
4466
01:38:34.130 --> 01:38:34.510
would
4467
01:38:34.680 --> 01:38:35.290
rise to the top,
4468
01:38:35.340 --> 01:38:35.920
the cream of the cream,
4469
01:38:35.940 --> 01:38:36.560
as I would say,
4470
01:38:36.820 --> 01:38:36.970
sure,
4471
01:38:37.020 --> 01:38:37.290
but I.
4472
01:38:37.510 --> 01:38:40.220
Like that's really an idealistic way of looking at how the internet works.
4473
01:38:40.310 --> 01:38:41.410
People get backed by,
4474
01:38:41.550 --> 01:38:41.700
you know,
4475
01:38:41.930 --> 01:38:44.110
bigger companies they get funding on the payroll.
4476
01:38:44.270 --> 01:38:45.770
I still don't think that's really
4477
01:38:46.130 --> 01:38:46.870
addressing,
4478
01:38:47.190 --> 01:38:47.580
um,
4479
01:38:47.800 --> 01:38:50.540
this divide in trying to get both sides,
4480
01:38:50.710 --> 01:38:50.900
uh,
4481
01:38:51.070 --> 01:38:51.550
on the table.
4482
01:38:51.590 --> 01:38:52.910
That's not gonna happen in the real world.
4483
01:38:53.040 --> 01:38:53.300
You're never,
4484
01:38:53.390 --> 01:38:53.690
I mean,
4485
01:38:53.710 --> 01:38:55.060
because like prime example,
4486
01:38:55.190 --> 01:38:55.460
right,
4487
01:38:55.750 --> 01:38:55.900
uh,
4488
01:38:56.070 --> 01:38:57.060
not to poke fun at her again,
4489
01:38:57.110 --> 01:38:57.940
but Zena's a Marxist.
4490
01:38:57.990 --> 01:38:58.980
I'm a conservative Christian.
4491
01:38:59.150 --> 01:38:59.940
We're always gonna be.
4492
01:39:00.050 --> 01:39:00.810
Ideologically opposed.
4493
01:39:00.840 --> 01:39:01.740
Tashika is a
4494
01:39:01.880 --> 01:39:02.300
leftist.
4495
01:39:02.400 --> 01:39:03.110
I'm a Christian.
4496
01:39:03.400 --> 01:39:05.220
I'm surrounded by liberals.
4497
01:39:05.440 --> 01:39:07.750
I'm never going to agree with all of you ontologically.
4498
01:39:07.770 --> 01:39:08.520
It's impossible.
4499
01:39:08.650 --> 01:39:09.570
But you know what this does?
4500
01:39:09.680 --> 01:39:11.550
Conversations like this fosters good dialogue.
4501
01:39:11.720 --> 01:39:13.060
So videos like this,
4502
01:39:13.240 --> 01:39:13.630
news,
4503
01:39:13.720 --> 01:39:13.870
you know,
4504
01:39:13.960 --> 01:39:14.990
people that want to post news,
4505
01:39:15.040 --> 01:39:15.540
all that,
4506
01:39:16.080 --> 01:39:18.170
everyone should have the same access to see it just as quick.
4507
01:39:18.320 --> 01:39:19.100
That's all I'm saying.
4508
01:39:19.240 --> 01:39:19.430
All right,
4509
01:39:19.480 --> 01:39:20.360
we have to pause here.
4510
01:39:20.400 --> 01:39:21.630
We're out of time for this claim.
4511
01:39:21.840 --> 01:39:22.470
Thank you.
4512
01:39:25.120 --> 01:39:25.550
All right,
4513
01:39:25.720 --> 01:39:27.970
now it is time for our final debate.
4514
01:39:28.000 --> 01:39:28.950
It's been a great debate.
4515
01:39:29.150 --> 01:39:29.740
So far
4516
01:39:29.980 --> 01:39:30.320
Austin,
4517
01:39:30.340 --> 01:39:33.010
in our final debate you get 10 minutes uninterrupted,
4518
01:39:33.380 --> 01:39:35.970
so we'll look around the circle and choose wisely
4519
01:39:35.970 --> 01:39:37.780
someone you want to continue the conversation with.
4520
01:39:37.940 --> 01:39:38.050
Well,
4521
01:39:38.100 --> 01:39:40.090
I'd love to continue this conversation with someone that wouldn't
4522
01:39:40.090 --> 01:39:42.490
necessarily call me a misogynist or think I'm white cosplay,
4523
01:39:42.690 --> 01:39:43.040
so
4524
01:39:43.380 --> 01:39:44.770
I'm gonna pick Tashika
4525
01:39:44.980 --> 01:39:46.840
because we had a pretty decent dialogue and
4526
01:39:47.260 --> 01:39:48.300
uh she tried to beat me,
4527
01:39:48.320 --> 01:39:48.600
but I,
4528
01:39:48.700 --> 01:39:50.200
I think she was trying to have a conversation
4529
01:39:50.300 --> 01:39:51.690
while also trying to win.
4530
01:39:52.100 --> 01:39:52.450
All right,
4531
01:39:52.660 --> 01:39:53.250
Tashika.
4532
01:39:57.760 --> 01:40:00.150
My surrounding claim is conservatives' rejection of
4533
01:40:00.150 --> 01:40:01.880
gay rights is a losing strategy.
4534
01:40:03.520 --> 01:40:03.960
Hello again,
4535
01:40:03.990 --> 01:40:04.280
Austin.
4536
01:40:04.390 --> 01:40:04.840
Hello again.
4537
01:40:05.080 --> 01:40:06.150
I didn't think you'd pick me.
4538
01:40:06.200 --> 01:40:07.820
Can we agree that I've sat at this table?
4539
01:40:08.000 --> 01:40:09.470
I have been called a misogynist.
4540
01:40:09.640 --> 01:40:10.440
I have been called a,
4541
01:40:10.460 --> 01:40:11.020
a,
4542
01:40:11.040 --> 01:40:11.750
a token.
4543
01:40:11.920 --> 01:40:13.070
I've been called a sellout.
4544
01:40:13.200 --> 01:40:14.270
I've been called a grifter,
4545
01:40:14.400 --> 01:40:15.600
and I don't think that's what I am.
4546
01:40:15.680 --> 01:40:16.670
Would you call me one of those?
4547
01:40:16.960 --> 01:40:17.430
No,
4548
01:40:17.600 --> 01:40:18.070
I think,
4549
01:40:18.200 --> 01:40:21.600
I think when someone butchers a pro-black woman argument like that,
4550
01:40:21.680 --> 01:40:23.370
I think it actually sets us back overall.
4551
01:40:23.560 --> 01:40:24.740
So I'd actually agree with you.
4552
01:40:25.000 --> 01:40:25.270
Um,
4553
01:40:26.200 --> 01:40:26.850
so,
4554
01:40:27.160 --> 01:40:27.390
uh,
4555
01:40:27.560 --> 01:40:28.070
so yeah.
4556
01:40:28.460 --> 01:40:31.440
I brought up this argument because in our previous debate,
4557
01:40:31.850 --> 01:40:35.330
you say that gay people shouldn't be able to get married.
4558
01:40:36.140 --> 01:40:36.650
Oh,
4559
01:40:37.100 --> 01:40:38.010
I remember this.
4560
01:40:38.380 --> 01:40:40.570
I remember that we had a TikTok debate about that,
4561
01:40:40.660 --> 01:40:40.890
yes,
4562
01:40:41.380 --> 01:40:41.820
yes.
4563
01:40:42.020 --> 01:40:44.570
I gave you the qualifying reasons as to why that was the case too.
4564
01:40:44.790 --> 01:40:45.220
Please go ahead.
4565
01:40:45.260 --> 01:40:46.600
I would like you to answer to me
4566
01:40:46.780 --> 01:40:48.530
what exactly conservatives gain
4567
01:40:48.780 --> 01:40:49.870
uh by being against something,
4568
01:40:50.060 --> 01:40:53.800
especially if the reason why it passed is because it was a bipartisan agreement.
4569
01:40:54.100 --> 01:40:54.210
Uh,
4570
01:40:54.580 --> 01:40:55.210
everyone was pro it,
4571
01:40:55.260 --> 01:40:57.010
but now when you look at these statistics,
4572
01:40:57.140 --> 01:40:57.300
um,
4573
01:40:57.380 --> 01:40:59.840
we see that conservatives have been lessening their support
4574
01:40:59.980 --> 01:41:00.530
of gay rights,
4575
01:41:00.710 --> 01:41:01.810
particularly gay marriage.
4576
01:41:01.940 --> 01:41:03.930
I would like to know why you are one of those people.
4577
01:41:04.320 --> 01:41:04.470
Well,
4578
01:41:04.680 --> 01:41:08.270
because gay same-sex marriage is not that that's rooted in religion,
4579
01:41:08.480 --> 01:41:08.560
uh,
4580
01:41:08.640 --> 01:41:09.520
100%
4581
01:41:09.760 --> 01:41:12.260
and what I told you on TikTok and I'd say it here again,
4582
01:41:12.480 --> 01:41:15.580
I would if if two same-sex couples want to engage in what they would call a marriage,
4583
01:41:15.600 --> 01:41:16.150
I would label it.
4584
01:41:16.200 --> 01:41:18.350
I would give them every protection that would exist for a married couple,
4585
01:41:18.440 --> 01:41:19.930
but I simply would not call it marriage.
4586
01:41:20.040 --> 01:41:21.110
The Defense of Marriage Act,
4587
01:41:21.200 --> 01:41:22.590
which was a law at one point in this country,
4588
01:41:22.680 --> 01:41:23.850
had properly identified,
4589
01:41:24.090 --> 01:41:24.450
um,
4590
01:41:24.770 --> 01:41:26.750
marriage as between a man and a woman.
4591
01:41:27.040 --> 01:41:27.110
Uh,
4592
01:41:27.240 --> 01:41:28.650
one of the foundational
4593
01:41:28.840 --> 01:41:30.550
ultimate goals of marriage or one of the
4594
01:41:30.550 --> 01:41:31.970
things that tends to happen is reproduction.
4595
01:41:32.590 --> 01:41:36.060
22 people that are of the same sex cannot have kids naturally,
4596
01:41:36.190 --> 01:41:36.340
right?
4597
01:41:36.390 --> 01:41:37.530
It's they can't do it.
4598
01:41:37.630 --> 01:41:38.060
And this,
4599
01:41:38.150 --> 01:41:39.050
and what they do is,
4600
01:41:39.070 --> 01:41:39.440
in my,
4601
01:41:39.510 --> 01:41:40.110
in
4602
01:41:40.380 --> 01:41:42.300
not my only my opinion but based on my religion,
4603
01:41:42.550 --> 01:41:43.480
they borrow
4604
01:41:43.660 --> 01:41:47.210
from what is again part of the fruit of the moral Christian tree while rejecting
4605
01:41:47.350 --> 01:41:49.980
or frankly changing the meaning of what God Himself.
4606
01:41:50.250 --> 01:41:51.200
Unfortunately Austin,
4607
01:41:51.220 --> 01:41:53.240
the question was what exactly do conservatives
4608
01:41:53.240 --> 01:41:54.740
gain by making this into policy because I
4609
01:41:54.740 --> 01:41:57.590
would assume that you would want for this to be like an actualized piece of
4610
01:41:57.740 --> 01:41:58.240
legislation,
4611
01:41:58.370 --> 01:41:58.520
correct?
4612
01:41:58.770 --> 01:41:58.840
Well,
4613
01:41:58.970 --> 01:41:59.080
no,
4614
01:41:59.130 --> 01:42:00.160
not nec not necessarily.
4615
01:42:00.210 --> 01:42:02.610
I'm not gonna go on go on record and change the
4616
01:42:02.770 --> 01:42:05.190
something that's already established if I I I don't think that's
4617
01:42:05.330 --> 01:42:05.600
so
4618
01:42:06.050 --> 01:42:07.860
then what would you gain by this being a reality?
4619
01:42:08.590 --> 01:42:11.520
You would gain you would go back to actual Christianity
4620
01:42:11.520 --> 01:42:14.390
Christian principles you would get more to objectively true Christian principles
4621
01:42:14.630 --> 01:42:17.700
because like for example what this gets into to to you know this is a good question
4622
01:42:17.850 --> 01:42:20.350
what this gets into is I don't think that a pastor
4623
01:42:20.620 --> 01:42:23.900
should preside over a same-sex marriage because it's literally anti-biblical
4624
01:42:24.090 --> 01:42:27.360
and marriage is a religious institution in the West and it always has been
4625
01:42:27.610 --> 01:42:27.950
so.
4626
01:42:28.300 --> 01:42:29.440
My issue with that
4627
01:42:29.650 --> 01:42:30.080
is
4628
01:42:30.340 --> 01:42:33.490
when you're engaging in a same-sex marriage while calling yourself a Christian,
4629
01:42:33.660 --> 01:42:35.970
that is literally the equivalent of being a married bachelor.
4630
01:42:36.060 --> 01:42:37.650
It's an impossible contradiction.
4631
01:42:38.060 --> 01:42:38.170
Yeah,
4632
01:42:38.260 --> 01:42:39.970
so my contention here is the fact that you
4633
01:42:39.970 --> 01:42:42.840
are trying to appropriate an entire word and concept,
4634
01:42:43.020 --> 01:42:44.530
and we know that the concept of marriage has
4635
01:42:44.530 --> 01:42:46.610
always existed even before the concept of Christianity,
4636
01:42:46.660 --> 01:42:46.780
right?
4637
01:42:46.820 --> 01:42:47.370
And again,
4638
01:42:47.500 --> 01:42:48.290
I have to remind you,
4639
01:42:48.420 --> 01:42:50.720
Austin that we live in a secular society,
4640
01:42:50.900 --> 01:42:51.090
right?
4641
01:42:51.220 --> 01:42:52.270
Heavily influenced by God.
4642
01:42:52.540 --> 01:42:53.530
Heavily influenced by God.
4643
01:42:53.580 --> 01:42:55.680
It doesn't that doesn't matter because the point is that it is
4644
01:42:55.860 --> 01:42:57.090
a secular society,
4645
01:42:57.180 --> 01:42:57.320
right?
4646
01:42:57.380 --> 01:42:58.650
To have Any laws
4647
01:42:58.770 --> 01:42:59.260
that attribute
4648
01:42:59.490 --> 01:43:01.540
to have any laws that attribute itself
4649
01:43:01.690 --> 01:43:02.860
to a specific religion
4650
01:43:03.050 --> 01:43:06.050
literally goes against everything that this country was built off of,
4651
01:43:06.130 --> 01:43:06.320
right?
4652
01:43:06.690 --> 01:43:07.370
So wait a minute.
4653
01:43:07.410 --> 01:43:07.720
So
4654
01:43:08.690 --> 01:43:09.200
I'm sorry,
4655
01:43:09.370 --> 01:43:09.590
again,
4656
01:43:10.010 --> 01:43:12.230
in the reality where your laws would be the case,
4657
01:43:12.300 --> 01:43:12.410
right,
4658
01:43:12.450 --> 01:43:13.250
in the reality where,
4659
01:43:13.270 --> 01:43:13.290
where,
4660
01:43:13.310 --> 01:43:15.480
where this kind of legislation where gay people are unable,
4661
01:43:15.600 --> 01:43:15.720
wait,
4662
01:43:15.770 --> 01:43:16.220
I'm sorry,
4663
01:43:16.330 --> 01:43:16.590
actually,
4664
01:43:16.690 --> 01:43:17.640
let's restate real quick.
4665
01:43:18.200 --> 01:43:21.300
Are you saying that they just shouldn't be able to
4666
01:43:21.480 --> 01:43:22.510
call it marriage?
4667
01:43:23.320 --> 01:43:24.700
So they'll have all the same rights.
4668
01:43:26.490 --> 01:43:28.590
So everything that a married couple would get,
4669
01:43:28.680 --> 01:43:29.630
a gay couple would get,
4670
01:43:29.760 --> 01:43:31.430
they just wouldn't be able to call it marriage.
4671
01:43:32.480 --> 01:43:33.830
Despite the fact that marriage,
4672
01:43:33.920 --> 01:43:36.580
the concept of that has already existed before Christianity,
4673
01:43:36.720 --> 01:43:39.440
we're supposed to allow for Christians to appropriate that word
4674
01:43:39.680 --> 01:43:40.150
and then
4675
01:43:40.270 --> 01:43:40.670
completely,
4676
01:43:40.720 --> 01:43:42.420
it is an appropriation of the word though,
4677
01:43:42.440 --> 01:43:43.830
because they had the concept.
4678
01:43:43.950 --> 01:43:45.020
And the word has existed before
4679
01:43:45.170 --> 01:43:45.270
then.
4680
01:43:45.340 --> 01:43:45.640
So,
4681
01:43:45.660 --> 01:43:45.870
OK,
4682
01:43:46.160 --> 01:43:46.240
but
4683
01:43:46.570 --> 01:43:48.350
the Bible is older than the United States of America,
4684
01:43:48.500 --> 01:43:49.130
so let's start with that.
4685
01:43:52.340 --> 01:43:52.810
Uh,
4686
01:43:52.900 --> 01:43:53.230
that's,
4687
01:43:53.380 --> 01:43:54.890
that's that's much less,
4688
01:43:54.980 --> 01:43:55.970
it was a different kind of cause you
4689
01:43:56.100 --> 01:43:57.890
cause if you go back to the African spiritual religions,
4690
01:43:58.220 --> 01:43:58.740
that wasn't,
4691
01:43:58.900 --> 01:43:59.890
it wasn't monogamous.
4692
01:43:59.940 --> 01:44:02.310
They were actually most African cultures actually believed that
4693
01:44:04.220 --> 01:44:06.220
it's not the same way that God originally defined it.
4694
01:44:07.070 --> 01:44:09.670
That's why we live in a secular country where
4695
01:44:10.020 --> 01:44:10.030
God
4696
01:44:11.280 --> 01:44:12.550
doesn't matter what the what the
4697
01:44:12.680 --> 01:44:13.190
what the dominant
4698
01:44:13.290 --> 01:44:13.920
religion is.
4699
01:44:13.980 --> 01:44:13.990
No,
4700
01:44:14.000 --> 01:44:14.050
no,
4701
01:44:14.080 --> 01:44:14.420
no,
4702
01:44:14.440 --> 01:44:17.140
it does in this conversation because you'd have to agree with me
4703
01:44:17.280 --> 01:44:17.620
that
4704
01:44:17.750 --> 01:44:18.030
yes,
4705
01:44:18.200 --> 01:44:19.730
do we overall live in a secular society?
4706
01:44:19.960 --> 01:44:20.150
Sure,
4707
01:44:20.320 --> 01:44:20.990
granted,
4708
01:44:21.360 --> 01:44:21.740
but
4709
01:44:21.920 --> 01:44:24.200
52% of the population of this country
4710
01:44:24.360 --> 01:44:25.630
identifies as Christian,
4711
01:44:25.840 --> 01:44:26.350
which means,
4712
01:44:26.440 --> 01:44:28.580
and you're not going to tell me that someone's politics
4713
01:44:28.600 --> 01:44:30.910
don't flow downstream from their religion of course it does,
4714
01:44:30.960 --> 01:44:31.590
but that's the entire
4715
01:44:31.720 --> 01:44:32.800
point of living in a society.
4716
01:44:33.120 --> 01:44:33.220
But no,
4717
01:44:33.280 --> 01:44:33.310
no,
4718
01:44:33.400 --> 01:44:33.630
wait a minute,
4719
01:44:33.690 --> 01:44:33.750
no,
4720
01:44:33.800 --> 01:44:33.870
no,
4721
01:44:34.120 --> 01:44:34.440
no,
4722
01:44:34.800 --> 01:44:35.370
that's the entire.
4723
01:44:35.820 --> 01:44:36.690
You need to listen to me.
4724
01:44:36.790 --> 01:44:36.960
Yeah,
4725
01:44:37.380 --> 01:44:37.650
no,
4726
01:44:38.020 --> 01:44:40.090
that's the entire point of living in a secular society,
4727
01:44:40.190 --> 01:44:40.330
right,
4728
01:44:40.470 --> 01:44:42.690
because regardless of the like how many people,
4729
01:44:42.820 --> 01:44:42.950
uh,
4730
01:44:43.100 --> 01:44:43.250
uh,
4731
01:44:43.360 --> 01:44:43.570
uh,
4732
01:44:43.700 --> 01:44:45.160
prescribe to a particular religion,
4733
01:44:45.380 --> 01:44:47.450
the laws that we all live under and the rights
4734
01:44:47.450 --> 01:44:50.030
that we all have are consistently going to be secular
4735
01:44:50.140 --> 01:44:51.610
to maintain the rights of everyone else.
4736
01:44:51.860 --> 01:44:53.370
You are advocating it doesn't need to,
4737
01:44:53.460 --> 01:44:54.690
it's influenced by equality,
4738
01:44:54.860 --> 01:44:54.970
right?
4739
01:44:55.030 --> 01:44:56.660
You don't think the Bible influenced American law.
4740
01:44:56.820 --> 01:44:57.650
It doesn't need to.
4741
01:44:57.740 --> 01:44:58.450
That's the entire
4742
01:44:58.580 --> 01:44:58.810
point.
4743
01:44:59.460 --> 01:44:59.610
OK,
4744
01:44:59.740 --> 01:45:01.500
but that doesn't mean that it needs to stay that way.
4745
01:45:01.840 --> 01:45:02.230
Again,
4746
01:45:02.510 --> 01:45:07.390
you are trying to appropriate the word marriage and that is just not how that works,
4747
01:45:07.800 --> 01:45:07.910
right?
4748
01:45:08.040 --> 01:45:09.920
Then why was the Defense of Marriage Act passed originally?
4749
01:45:10.180 --> 01:45:10.350
Hold on,
4750
01:45:10.920 --> 01:45:11.620
address that first.
4751
01:45:11.800 --> 01:45:12.400
If that's the case,
4752
01:45:12.480 --> 01:45:15.030
then why was the Defense of Marriage Act passed prior to?
4753
01:45:15.360 --> 01:45:16.730
Because in the United States of America
4754
01:45:16.730 --> 01:45:19.270
we have always maintained a Christian ethos.
4755
01:45:19.480 --> 01:45:21.270
One of America's greatest taglines is we
4756
01:45:21.270 --> 01:45:23.500
were founded on our Judeo-Christian principles.
4757
01:45:23.680 --> 01:45:27.260
That's why the Defense of Marriage Act had to be repealed in order for
4758
01:45:27.400 --> 01:45:27.520
uh.
4759
01:45:27.640 --> 01:45:29.350
Same-sex marriage should be legalized at the federal level.
4760
01:45:29.440 --> 01:45:32.180
So what I'm saying is that there's a legitimate inseparability
4761
01:45:32.410 --> 01:45:32.870
of
4762
01:45:33.000 --> 01:45:35.200
of religion and politics across any country
4763
01:45:35.600 --> 01:45:36.590
and you can see
4764
01:45:37.040 --> 01:45:37.290
in
4765
01:45:38.520 --> 01:45:40.020
this country is religious
4766
01:45:40.280 --> 01:45:40.820
and
4767
01:45:41.160 --> 01:45:42.530
it is the case that we
4768
01:45:42.880 --> 01:45:44.970
look at the sweep of history across the United States
4769
01:45:45.140 --> 01:45:46.870
because some people have been influenced by a
4770
01:45:47.060 --> 01:45:48.780
by by by a bit of philosophy
4771
01:45:48.950 --> 01:45:50.430
doesn't mean that
4772
01:45:51.560 --> 01:45:54.230
the laws that they create also have to follow that for everyone else.
4773
01:45:54.320 --> 01:45:54.620
Again,
4774
01:45:54.840 --> 01:45:59.160
you Have to justify why Christianity has the ownership over marriage.
4775
01:45:59.310 --> 01:45:59.960
That's the point.
4776
01:46:00.110 --> 01:46:01.020
Because in the confines of the
4777
01:46:01.020 --> 01:46:03.220
United States when Christian when monogamous Christian
4778
01:46:03.220 --> 01:46:06.190
marriage was practiced at its highest rates that led to some of the greatest
4779
01:46:06.430 --> 01:46:07.130
periods of success.
4780
01:46:08.070 --> 01:46:08.100
No,
4781
01:46:08.470 --> 01:46:09.290
I'm answering it.
4782
01:46:09.350 --> 01:46:10.050
I'm answering it.
4783
01:46:10.430 --> 01:46:10.800
When we,
4784
01:46:10.920 --> 01:46:13.620
when the nuclear family in black America was at its strongest,
4785
01:46:13.710 --> 01:46:15.380
the US had produced some of the had some of
4786
01:46:15.380 --> 01:46:17.590
the strongest years economically in the history of the country,
4787
01:46:17.910 --> 01:46:19.660
especially in particular when we focus on the black community,
4788
01:46:19.710 --> 01:46:20.920
and you know this as well as I do
4789
01:46:21.030 --> 01:46:22.510
when Daniel Patrick Moynihan released his.
4790
01:46:23.180 --> 01:46:23.250
Uh,
4791
01:46:23.380 --> 01:46:26.000
which was the breakdown of the nuclear family in 1965,
4792
01:46:26.180 --> 01:46:27.480
he noted quite a few things
4793
01:46:27.650 --> 01:46:28.000
that
4794
01:46:28.180 --> 01:46:30.350
from 1940 through 1965,
4795
01:46:30.630 --> 01:46:32.650
black males began to leave the house and
4796
01:46:32.650 --> 01:46:34.710
abandon their families and abandon their responsibilities.
4797
01:46:34.900 --> 01:46:37.120
At the very same time we began to see drifting away
4798
01:46:37.140 --> 01:46:39.950
from religious religious principles and from religion as a whole.
4799
01:46:40.060 --> 01:46:41.350
That trend is continuing today
4800
01:46:41.460 --> 01:46:41.940
and look at the,
4801
01:46:42.060 --> 01:46:44.760
look at the economic and the societal problems that are caused
4802
01:46:44.880 --> 01:46:47.360
when we don't have some sort of ultimate ontological
4803
01:46:47.700 --> 01:46:49.910
I don't think you're gonna be able to prove that these two things are connected.
4804
01:46:50.220 --> 01:46:51.110
I would need you to provide
4805
01:46:51.730 --> 01:46:53.590
I wouldn't need you to provide anything for that,
4806
01:46:53.680 --> 01:46:54.910
like literally anything.
4807
01:46:55.210 --> 01:46:58.750
You are not going to be able to say that because we incentivize for like
4808
01:46:59.070 --> 01:47:01.230
Christian heterosexual marriages
4809
01:47:01.370 --> 01:47:03.280
and that we don't do that now that they're decreasing.
4810
01:47:03.330 --> 01:47:04.300
I don't see how that would be
4811
01:47:04.730 --> 01:47:04.800
right,
4812
01:47:04.890 --> 01:47:06.960
but you cannot say that these two things
4813
01:47:07.070 --> 01:47:07.390
are,
4814
01:47:07.490 --> 01:47:08.810
you cannot say that these two things are connected,
4815
01:47:08.930 --> 01:47:09.100
right?
4816
01:47:09.330 --> 01:47:11.640
You can say that the reason marriage overall has been going down
4817
01:47:11.640 --> 01:47:13.600
is because people don't make enough money to afford a rank.
4818
01:47:13.810 --> 01:47:14.360
People don't make,
4819
01:47:14.450 --> 01:47:16.080
people don't want to get married anymore.
4820
01:47:16.170 --> 01:47:17.680
It is unnecessary for people to get.
4821
01:47:17.840 --> 01:47:17.990
Married.
4822
01:47:18.040 --> 01:47:20.150
That's why we also see like increased divorce because
4823
01:47:20.880 --> 01:47:21.200
excuse me,
4824
01:47:21.240 --> 01:47:22.550
women in general don't even need men.
4825
01:47:22.760 --> 01:47:24.550
People don't see the need to get married anymore.
4826
01:47:24.840 --> 01:47:25.060
Before,
4827
01:47:25.400 --> 01:47:26.510
marriage was an
4828
01:47:26.840 --> 01:47:26.850
economic,
4829
01:47:28.350 --> 01:47:30.150
financial contract between two bodies.
4830
01:47:30.370 --> 01:47:31.360
Now it is a symbol,
4831
01:47:31.680 --> 01:47:32.060
one second,
4832
01:47:32.080 --> 01:47:32.430
baby.
4833
01:47:33.000 --> 01:47:34.470
Now it is a symbol of love,
4834
01:47:34.600 --> 01:47:34.770
right?
4835
01:47:34.920 --> 01:47:36.290
People don't necessarily find
4836
01:47:36.910 --> 01:47:37.470
no it wasn't.
4837
01:47:37.680 --> 01:47:39.360
So marriage wasn't always to some degree a symbol of love.
4838
01:47:39.400 --> 01:47:39.980
It was not.
4839
01:47:40.880 --> 01:47:42.000
You'd have to justify that
4840
01:47:42.130 --> 01:47:42.730
because I don't know.
4841
01:47:42.920 --> 01:47:43.110
Um,
4842
01:47:43.440 --> 01:47:44.260
the entire
4843
01:47:44.440 --> 01:47:45.190
British monarchy.
4844
01:47:46.140 --> 01:47:47.690
I said I'm talking about,
4845
01:47:47.940 --> 01:47:49.650
I'm talking about the United States of America.
4846
01:47:49.710 --> 01:47:50.680
I'm not talking about
4847
01:47:52.720 --> 01:47:53.820
you just asked me to give you an
4848
01:47:54.500 --> 01:47:55.240
example of
4849
01:47:55.410 --> 01:47:56.390
an agreement I should have specified,
4850
01:47:56.500 --> 01:47:57.550
I meant within the United States,
4851
01:47:57.700 --> 01:47:58.280
my apologies.
4852
01:47:58.450 --> 01:47:58.730
People,
4853
01:47:58.870 --> 01:47:59.170
wait a minute,
4854
01:47:59.260 --> 01:48:01.530
so people still don't have like dowries and things in the United States?
4855
01:48:01.940 --> 01:48:02.410
I'm sure
4856
01:48:02.830 --> 01:48:04.510
people don't have arranged marriages in the United States?
4857
01:48:04.860 --> 01:48:04.990
Not,
4858
01:48:05.040 --> 01:48:06.330
not as often as they do in other countries.
4859
01:48:06.680 --> 01:48:07.490
Asking me if it happens.
4860
01:48:07.650 --> 01:48:07.710
Sure,
4861
01:48:07.950 --> 01:48:08.080
OK,
4862
01:48:08.630 --> 01:48:09.870
I don't know why you have to ask me that.
4863
01:48:10.170 --> 01:48:10.380
Anyway,
4864
01:48:10.550 --> 01:48:11.780
so like I was saying before,
4865
01:48:11.980 --> 01:48:14.060
you would have to provide like an actual causal link
4866
01:48:14.060 --> 01:48:15.470
between these two things because that's just not true.
4867
01:48:15.590 --> 01:48:15.860
My
4868
01:48:15.990 --> 01:48:16.110
content,
4869
01:48:16.230 --> 01:48:16.620
no you didn't,
4870
01:48:16.670 --> 01:48:17.040
baby.
4871
01:48:17.390 --> 01:48:18.550
My contention,
4872
01:48:19.110 --> 01:48:20.030
my contention,
4873
01:48:20.190 --> 01:48:20.510
right,
4874
01:48:20.710 --> 01:48:21.450
is the fact that
4875
01:48:21.580 --> 01:48:22.740
you as a Christian
4876
01:48:22.910 --> 01:48:26.620
want to appropriate the definition of marriage even though that concept
4877
01:48:26.790 --> 01:48:27.060
has.
4878
01:48:27.410 --> 01:48:27.810
existed
4879
01:48:28.050 --> 01:48:29.370
far beyond Christianity.
4880
01:48:31.220 --> 01:48:33.360
What do you mean in the same way between two people?
4881
01:48:33.530 --> 01:48:34.060
Yes it has.
4882
01:48:34.410 --> 01:48:34.850
So
4883
01:48:35.570 --> 01:48:36.950
what culture are you saying
4884
01:48:37.290 --> 01:48:41.000
practiced monogamous marriage in the same way that the American Christians did?
4885
01:48:41.230 --> 01:48:43.880
Humans are a lot of humans are just typically naturally monogamous.
4886
01:48:43.970 --> 01:48:44.910
Are you saying that this has never
4887
01:48:45.040 --> 01:48:45.260
happened
4888
01:48:45.390 --> 01:48:45.950
before Christianity?
4889
01:48:46.330 --> 01:48:46.530
Are you,
4890
01:48:47.570 --> 01:48:48.190
that's not what I'm saying.
4891
01:48:48.370 --> 01:48:49.720
I'm asking specifically
4892
01:48:50.150 --> 01:48:51.400
what I should have asked it this way.
4893
01:48:51.650 --> 01:48:52.420
What nation has
4894
01:48:52.560 --> 01:48:53.730
monogamy at the same time.
4895
01:48:55.150 --> 01:48:55.220
Well,
4896
01:48:55.270 --> 01:48:56.320
that's what that's what I'm saying.
4897
01:48:56.360 --> 01:48:57.540
Why would I need to know the particular nation?
4898
01:48:57.710 --> 01:48:58.960
Because what I'm getting at is
4899
01:48:59.060 --> 01:49:02.830
the scope and scale of which the United States practiced monogamy led to
4900
01:49:02.990 --> 01:49:04.350
the strongest nuclear family,
4901
01:49:04.510 --> 01:49:06.140
especially for the most affected race in this country,
4902
01:49:06.190 --> 01:49:06.700
being black people.
4903
01:49:06.790 --> 01:49:07.860
And that was rooted in,
4904
01:49:08.070 --> 01:49:09.550
that was rooted in religion.
4905
01:49:09.750 --> 01:49:10.900
That was rooted in religion predominantly.
4906
01:49:11.070 --> 01:49:12.660
What do you mean by the strongest nuclear family?
4907
01:49:12.710 --> 01:49:13.180
The black nuclear,
4908
01:49:13.230 --> 01:49:13.430
excuse me,
4909
01:49:13.510 --> 01:49:15.220
I should have said the black nuclear family was at its
4910
01:49:15.220 --> 01:49:17.510
strongest when religion was at the epicenter of our worldview.
4911
01:49:17.550 --> 01:49:17.740
That's
4912
01:49:18.410 --> 01:49:18.520
Right,
4913
01:49:18.610 --> 01:49:21.480
but that doesn't mean that marriage is also attributed to that.
4914
01:49:21.570 --> 01:49:23.360
You could say that because they were Christian
4915
01:49:23.360 --> 01:49:24.480
they know about the concept of marriage,
4916
01:49:24.530 --> 01:49:26.440
but that doesn't mean that marriage is where that comes from.
4917
01:49:26.530 --> 01:49:27.090
I'm saying that many people
4918
01:49:27.730 --> 01:49:28.040
that comes from.
4919
01:49:28.130 --> 01:49:28.200
No,
4920
01:49:28.250 --> 01:49:30.440
I'm saying that many people that are Christians get married because that's
4921
01:49:30.440 --> 01:49:33.000
what we're commanded to do as Christians and when we follow that,
4922
01:49:33.130 --> 01:49:34.470
when we follow those things,
4923
01:49:34.690 --> 01:49:36.490
that leads to some of the highest levels of productivity.
4924
01:49:36.560 --> 01:49:38.520
It leads to lower mental health rates among children,
4925
01:49:38.810 --> 01:49:39.550
leads to
4926
01:49:39.810 --> 01:49:41.470
better education for kids,
4927
01:49:41.490 --> 01:49:42.920
it leads to children having less mental health issues.
4928
01:49:43.080 --> 01:49:44.020
Less disciplinary problems.
4929
01:49:44.140 --> 01:49:44.770
There's so many.
4930
01:49:44.960 --> 01:49:45.040
OK,
4931
01:49:45.110 --> 01:49:46.120
so if we care about these things,
4932
01:49:46.190 --> 01:49:48.810
if we were if it were the case that we were to actualize what you want here,
4933
01:49:49.110 --> 01:49:51.540
do you not see how this is like a separate but equal type policy,
4934
01:49:51.680 --> 01:49:52.060
right?
4935
01:49:52.240 --> 01:49:52.520
And
4936
01:49:53.260 --> 01:49:53.390
yeah,
4937
01:49:53.430 --> 01:49:56.200
what was the result of the separate but equal policies amongst black people?
4938
01:49:56.550 --> 01:49:56.820
Well,
4939
01:49:56.990 --> 01:49:57.970
there they weren't equal,
4940
01:49:57.990 --> 01:49:59.580
but that's because one of them is ascribed to
4941
01:49:59.580 --> 01:50:00.970
race and we're talking about something completely different.
4942
01:50:01.080 --> 01:50:02.740
We can't that's the entire point of the analogy,
4943
01:50:02.760 --> 01:50:02.950
baby.
4944
01:50:03.070 --> 01:50:03.140
Yeah,
4945
01:50:03.190 --> 01:50:05.060
but you're trying to conflate two things that one
4946
01:50:06.190 --> 01:50:06.500
of them
4947
01:50:06.780 --> 01:50:07.980
I asked you a direct question.
4948
01:50:08.370 --> 01:50:09.680
Separate but equal didn't work back then.
4949
01:50:09.770 --> 01:50:10.480
Why didn't it work?
4950
01:50:10.780 --> 01:50:11.550
Because it wasn't actually,
4951
01:50:11.690 --> 01:50:13.320
it was separate but it was never actually equal.
4952
01:50:13.490 --> 01:50:14.450
What I'm saying is
4953
01:50:15.160 --> 01:50:16.790
you're saying that in this society
4954
01:50:17.050 --> 01:50:18.070
where we separate
4955
01:50:18.490 --> 01:50:19.270
marriage between
4956
01:50:20.170 --> 01:50:22.090
hetero people and homosexual people,
4957
01:50:22.210 --> 01:50:22.320
right?
4958
01:50:23.180 --> 01:50:24.030
let me say this
4959
01:50:24.370 --> 01:50:25.230
in 2004,
4960
01:50:25.410 --> 01:50:26.570
before Massachusetts
4961
01:50:27.100 --> 01:50:27.940
started recognizing same-sex marriage,
4962
01:50:28.010 --> 01:50:28.270
what were they called?
4963
01:50:28.370 --> 01:50:29.210
They were called civil unions.
4964
01:50:29.460 --> 01:50:30.240
Barack Obama talked about it,
4965
01:50:30.290 --> 01:50:30.480
right?
4966
01:50:30.620 --> 01:50:31.510
So I'm just saying
4967
01:50:31.930 --> 01:50:33.430
how are people with civil unions treated?
4968
01:50:34.290 --> 01:50:34.910
I don't know.
4969
01:50:35.290 --> 01:50:36.040
They weren't treated well,
4970
01:50:36.090 --> 01:50:37.320
that's the entire point,
4971
01:50:39.330 --> 01:50:40.680
because when you go into certain spaces,
4972
01:50:40.740 --> 01:50:40.910
right,
4973
01:50:40.970 --> 01:50:42.360
and also civil unions change,
4974
01:50:42.570 --> 01:50:43.710
whether or not you were married
4975
01:50:44.010 --> 01:50:45.180
change based upon where you were.
4976
01:50:45.290 --> 01:50:46.100
So if you had to move to
4977
01:50:46.570 --> 01:50:47.250
I'm not disagreeing with that.
4978
01:50:47.440 --> 01:50:47.880
I'm saying.
4979
01:50:49.580 --> 01:50:49.930
On top of that,
4980
01:50:50.050 --> 01:50:52.720
they still face increased social discrimination
4981
01:50:53.050 --> 01:50:56.190
because of the fact that despite the fact that they may get the same rights,
4982
01:50:56.410 --> 01:50:57.960
socially they're going to be treated differently.
4983
01:50:58.330 --> 01:50:58.400
The
4984
01:50:58.500 --> 01:50:58.940
fact that
4985
01:50:59.530 --> 01:51:00.430
we saw this,
4986
01:51:00.530 --> 01:51:02.520
I'm saying that we saw this in a separate but equal.
4987
01:51:06.280 --> 01:51:07.510
We saw that back then in the sixties,
4988
01:51:07.590 --> 01:51:08.270
but what I'm asking is,
4989
01:51:08.360 --> 01:51:09.590
do you think in 2026,
4990
01:51:09.680 --> 01:51:11.150
as modernized as America has become,
4991
01:51:11.240 --> 01:51:12.380
do you actually believe
4992
01:51:12.520 --> 01:51:13.820
people would still be discriminated against?
4993
01:51:14.130 --> 01:51:14.270
Absolutely.
4994
01:51:14.600 --> 01:51:14.990
With the,
4995
01:51:15.070 --> 01:51:16.950
with the fact that Republicans have poured what,
4996
01:51:17.200 --> 01:51:20.660
$215 million into anti-trans ads,
4997
01:51:20.680 --> 01:51:22.030
into anti-queer ads?
4998
01:51:22.280 --> 01:51:23.000
Of course!
4999
01:51:23.040 --> 01:51:24.080
What are you talking about?
5000
01:51:25.120 --> 01:51:27.880
You're you're going to deny that those ads influence how people.
5001
01:51:27.950 --> 01:51:28.190
Thing.
5002
01:51:28.270 --> 01:51:30.630
It changed elections by the double digits.
5003
01:51:30.870 --> 01:51:31.180
What
5004
01:51:31.310 --> 01:51:32.610
do you have to support that?
5005
01:51:32.630 --> 01:51:34.690
That was the entire like Russian collusion thing.
5006
01:51:35.270 --> 01:51:37.860
That was the but but they found no evidence of Russian collusion.
5007
01:51:37.910 --> 01:51:37.940
No,
5008
01:51:37.990 --> 01:51:38.020
no,
5009
01:51:38.060 --> 01:51:38.110
no,
5010
01:51:38.140 --> 01:51:38.260
no,
5011
01:51:38.310 --> 01:51:39.100
the OK,
5012
01:51:39.350 --> 01:51:40.220
you need to understand this.
5013
01:51:40.390 --> 01:51:41.170
Citizens United,
5014
01:51:41.240 --> 01:51:41.970
do you know what that is?
5015
01:51:42.030 --> 01:51:42.460
Absolutely.
5016
01:51:42.630 --> 01:51:42.710
Right.
5017
01:51:42.830 --> 01:51:43.860
So you know that
5018
01:51:44.070 --> 01:51:45.810
uh that Supreme Court case gave
5019
01:51:46.190 --> 01:51:47.170
gave corporations
5020
01:51:47.270 --> 01:51:48.470
the same level of free speech as you.
5021
01:51:48.960 --> 01:51:49.130
correct?
5022
01:51:49.320 --> 01:51:49.510
Yes,
5023
01:51:49.680 --> 01:51:50.950
which I think needs to be overturned by the way.
5024
01:51:51.040 --> 01:51:52.140
Why do you think it needs to be overturned,
5025
01:51:52.160 --> 01:51:52.480
Austin?
5026
01:51:52.520 --> 01:51:54.910
Because Citizens United allows corporations to buy politicians,
5027
01:51:54.960 --> 01:51:55.320
which is
5028
01:51:55.680 --> 01:51:57.380
corporations from here and where?
5029
01:51:57.560 --> 01:51:58.030
All over.
5030
01:51:59.120 --> 01:52:00.110
So that's what I'm talking about.
5031
01:52:00.200 --> 01:52:01.300
So it doesn't even matter
5032
01:52:01.440 --> 01:52:02.390
where this is coming from,
5033
01:52:02.520 --> 01:52:02.600
right?
5034
01:52:02.640 --> 01:52:06.070
It could come from companies from outside the United States funding PACs
5035
01:52:06.070 --> 01:52:09.190
within the United States to influence people to be against gay people.
5036
01:52:09.370 --> 01:52:11.000
Well that has changed elections.
5037
01:52:11.360 --> 01:52:12.960
You like this is why this is why the
5038
01:52:12.960 --> 01:52:15.030
left and the right don't even doesn't even actually know
5039
01:52:15.210 --> 01:52:17.200
the types of people that are in these two different
5040
01:52:17.200 --> 01:52:20.270
groups because we are consistently lied to by these PACs.
5041
01:52:20.370 --> 01:52:21.490
It has changed
5042
01:52:21.610 --> 01:52:22.210
the political,
5043
01:52:22.290 --> 01:52:22.610
uh,
5044
01:52:22.690 --> 01:52:23.990
our political conversations.
5045
01:52:24.090 --> 01:52:26.920
It has completely bastardized our public squares.
5046
01:52:27.050 --> 01:52:27.880
Can we at least agree,
5047
01:52:28.010 --> 01:52:29.300
can we at least agree here
5048
01:52:29.450 --> 01:52:29.950
that
5049
01:52:30.330 --> 01:52:31.990
if we overturn Citizens United.
5050
01:52:32.430 --> 01:52:34.620
And if we got billionaires and millionaires out of the
5051
01:52:34.620 --> 01:52:37.770
business of running the game of politics and purchasing politicians,
5052
01:52:37.910 --> 01:52:39.420
that we might be having at some point a
5053
01:52:39.420 --> 01:52:41.330
different I think we'd be having more of an honest
5054
01:52:41.430 --> 01:52:41.570
conversation
5055
01:52:41.780 --> 01:52:42.930
because at the very least,
5056
01:52:43.070 --> 01:52:47.010
most of the stances or more of the stances that we have are going to be influenced by
5057
01:52:47.300 --> 01:52:48.500
Americans to Americans,
5058
01:52:48.590 --> 01:52:49.660
not Americans and Russians,
5059
01:52:49.750 --> 01:52:50.980
not Americans and Israelis,
5060
01:52:51.110 --> 01:52:52.580
not Americans and Chinese.
5061
01:52:53.250 --> 01:52:53.870
I'm all for that.
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01:52:53.890 --> 01:52:54.400
I'm listen,
5063
01:52:54.450 --> 01:52:55.630
I'm I'm not pro-Russia,
5064
01:52:55.650 --> 01:52:55.920
Russia,
5065
01:52:55.970 --> 01:52:56.280
Russia,
5066
01:52:56.410 --> 01:52:56.780
not at all,
5067
01:52:56.930 --> 01:52:57.470
never pro-Russia,
5068
01:52:57.530 --> 01:52:57.760
Russia,
5069
01:52:57.810 --> 01:52:58.240
Russia,
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01:52:58.490 --> 01:52:58.980
but I,
5071
01:52:59.010 --> 01:52:59.210
I,
5072
01:52:59.330 --> 01:52:59.600
I would,
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01:52:59.650 --> 01:52:59.880
I would,
5074
01:52:59.930 --> 01:53:00.630
I would grant you that.
5075
01:53:00.650 --> 01:53:02.110
I would grant you that if we would have
5076
01:53:02.210 --> 01:53:02.480
a more,
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01:53:02.530 --> 01:53:02.990
I think
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01:53:03.170 --> 01:53:04.960
political discourse in this country would absolutely be more
5079
01:53:04.960 --> 01:53:06.240
honest if you got the money out of it
5080
01:53:06.440 --> 01:53:07.000
because again,
5081
01:53:07.130 --> 01:53:08.360
the love of money is the root of all evil.
5082
01:53:08.500 --> 01:53:08.560
Alright,
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01:53:08.680 --> 01:53:09.120
pause.
5084
01:53:09.280 --> 01:53:10.850
That's all the time we have for today.
5085
01:53:11.390 --> 01:53:11.830
Thank you.
5086
01:53:13.810 --> 01:53:14.650
And Austin,
5087
01:53:14.770 --> 01:53:16.660
thank you so much for joining the circle.
5088
01:53:16.820 --> 01:53:17.260
It was an honor
5089
01:53:17.410 --> 01:53:17.840
to be here.
5090
01:53:17.970 --> 01:53:18.750
It was a pleasure.
5091
01:53:18.930 --> 01:53:19.120
All right,
5092
01:53:19.170 --> 01:53:20.920
and thank you guys for watching at home.
5093
01:53:21.090 --> 01:53:22.830
Please let us know your thoughts in the comments.
5094
01:53:22.850 --> 01:53:23.560
Sound off,
5095
01:53:23.730 --> 01:53:24.770
and we'll see you next time.
5096
01:53:29.220 --> 01:53:30.370
Now anyone that watches the video,
5097
01:53:30.580 --> 01:53:31.610
anyone who's watching my content,
5098
01:53:31.660 --> 01:53:32.920
they're going to see Austin is probably one
5099
01:53:32.920 --> 01:53:34.570
of the most pro-black conservatives that exists.
5100
01:53:34.740 --> 01:53:36.930
You get used to being mislabeled when you sit in my position.
5101
01:53:37.060 --> 01:53:39.290
There's a lot I wanted to say to Santana that I didn't get a chance to.
5102
01:53:39.380 --> 01:53:40.610
He was an outright liar.
5103
01:53:40.880 --> 01:53:43.320
He was calling me things that he couldn't prove.
5104
01:53:43.580 --> 01:53:45.720
He crafts his positions very well.
5105
01:53:46.130 --> 01:53:48.920
So people were looking to kinda superimpose what they
5106
01:53:48.920 --> 01:53:51.320
thought on him and he doesn't actually do that.
5107
01:53:51.650 --> 01:53:53.200
He says the things that he says and he,
5108
01:53:53.240 --> 01:53:54.610
he stays on his square.
5109
01:53:54.730 --> 01:53:57.050
I think he is a very intellectual debater
5110
01:53:57.210 --> 01:53:58.760
and he is very quick on his feet.
5111
01:53:58.870 --> 01:54:01.760
I think he is one of the more reasonable conservatives.
5112
01:54:01.930 --> 01:54:03.530
Being a black conservative comes with
5113
01:54:03.770 --> 01:54:05.480
allowing for yourself to experience a level of.
5114
01:54:05.570 --> 01:54:07.120
Subjugation and I just haven't seen that with
5115
01:54:07.120 --> 01:54:08.600
Austin that's why I like talking to him.
5116
01:54:08.670 --> 01:54:11.350
It's so interesting to me that liberals have a problem with me being
5117
01:54:11.490 --> 01:54:13.440
conservative because I'm black as if to say that
5118
01:54:13.440 --> 01:54:16.120
the color of my skin defines my political ideology
5119
01:54:16.120 --> 01:54:17.640
or that it's supposed to the color of someone's
5120
01:54:17.640 --> 01:54:20.160
skin should not ever dictate their political ideology,
5121
01:54:20.210 --> 01:54:21.880
but that's what the left tried to make happen,
5122
01:54:22.130 --> 01:54:23.230
especially if you saw the
5123
01:54:23.490 --> 01:54:24.910
surprise on their faces in this conversation.