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Hello everybody, this is Keith MuzikMan Hannaleck with the Final on Vinyl Podcast, and tonight we're with Peter Kater, who is getting ready to release his new album called Untethered Heart on August 22nd, this Friday.
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Uh welcome back aboard, Peter.
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We spoke about three years ago.
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Hey Keith, nice to talk to you again.
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Yes.
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How's uh everything in Hawaii?
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Uh pretty awesome, have to be honest with you.
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It's beautiful here.
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I love it air.
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I bet.
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How long have you been there?
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I've been here on and off for like nineteen years.
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Oh wow.
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I mean I was on I was on Maui for a good fifteen years, and then the last four years I've been here in Oahu.
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Nice.
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So I'm wondering how you came up with that title for the album.
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Untethered to me is free of anything holding you back, pinning you down, you know, complete freedom and in your artistry.
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Is is that how you looked at that when you came up with that title?
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Or was there another meeting?
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Uh meaning.
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Like um, you know, I've been kind of working on myself, on my personal healing and freedom and emotional and spiritual growth for the majority of my life, and um actually feel like I've gotten to a place just very recently where um I could say that I'm pretty free.
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I feel pretty free, you know, like on so many levels.
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And um I mean it's an ongoing process, but uh I definitely feel like I I've traversed a great distance and hit kind of a milestone recently with uh just the kind of space I'm inhabiting in my inner world and how it's reflecting in my outer world as well.
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So the album is uh autobiographical in terms of its title and its meeting for sure.
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Oh, I see.
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Okay.
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So that was the driving force behind recording this.
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So when did it start and when did you wrap it up and get ready to release it to the world?
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Um I think I started recording it early in the year and uh you know, was sort of like a few months process, you know, recording all the strings and stuff.
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Um, you know, the music is some of the the music is new, some of it is, you know, a couple of um tracks that I've already, you know, recorded once, but you know, I re-recorded them in a different way and then added strings to them.
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Uh yeah, I mean it's like uh my music is always like a a current reflection of where I'm at, you know, and what I'm interested in.
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So I don't put a lot of like conceptual thought into it.
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It's more of a knee-jerk emotional sort of reaction, to be honest.
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So you sit right down at the piano and then come up with a basic framework and go from there, or how what's your process like?
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Well, inspiration, you know, hits us all in different ways.
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And for me, it's like, yes, I could be sitting at the piano, or I could be, you know, on a hike or something, or doing something I love with, you know, people that I care about, you know, whatever, but inspiration hits and it just kind of takes me and I respond, you know.
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It's more like flowing and being present with with where you're at.
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And um, you know, it's it's not like I said, it's not like a process like you bake a cake or something.
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It's much more it's much more in the moment and spontaneous than that.
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So did you have any collaborations set up prior to this, or was all of this just you?
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It was just me.
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Well And you only took a few months.
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That's pretty amazing to get done in that period of time, I think.
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Yeah, some records take a few days, some take a few years.
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I've definitely had the gamut.
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This one was this one was somewhere in the middle, yeah, probably.
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I mean I don't know, maybe six months all in all from the writing through completion.
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Not too long.
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Oh, okay.
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Any plans to take it on the road, present it to an audience?
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Um I'm working I'm focusing really mostly on my retreats these days.
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Uh I I have been doing some concerts, but it's not really my focal point, you know, because the concerts are like 90 minutes and they begin and then they end.
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I love hosting these weeklong retreats because it's almost like it begins with a concert and then it just keeps on going from there, you know, to deeper and deeper layers of intimacy and connection with the people that are attending the retreat.
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So I'm more into focusing on where I'm going to do retreats, what time of year, for how many days, uh, what the focus is going to be.
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You know, I do some in Hawaii, I do some in Montana.
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I'm thinking about doing one up in uh Victoria Island outside of Vancouver.
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Um I did one in upstate New York this summer.
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Um, you know, um hosting some breathworking music in Poland next summer.
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Um possibly in um Tuscany, Italy as well.
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So that's really where my passion is right now.
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Nice to be able to travel like that.
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You must meet all kinds of people.
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How does that affect you as a person with your energy?
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Um giving all that energy up for all these people for a week long at a retreat.
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Is it what's that like for you?
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Well, it's a discipline for sure, because you know, it's the art of really showing up and being present, you know, every day, all day.
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And it's not only being present with myself, it's being present with the people I'm around.
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And sometimes that's an interesting balance, you know, because I have to also honor myself and my needs as well.
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So um I tend to, you know, I've gotten better at it.
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It's definitely like where my edge is, where my learning curve is, because I'm I'm actually more of a reclusive introvert kind of person.
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So to be around people, you know, all day and be kind of leading and hosting a lot of processes and breastwork and authentic relating and music and all this kind of stuff, it's definitely pushing my edge and I'm growing a lot.
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Um so sometimes I come out of the retreats feeling kind of high and expanded and exhilarated, and sometimes I feel a little like, oh, I need some alone time, you know, just gonna just recharge for a few days or a week, you know.
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It just depends.
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It's always different.
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I can understand that.
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How long have you been doing the retreats?
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So when did all that start for you?
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Was that like a a branch off of the music?
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Was it a natural path to take for you?
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Uh I think it started about 15 years ago, um, but they've evolved since then.
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Like I think the retreat started when I was living on Maui, and I would invite people that loved my music to come and hang out and you know, hang out with me for a week and go to all my favorite beaches and restaurants.
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And, you know, they would pay a certain amount of money for that, and I would take care of all the hotels and meals and all that kind of stuff.
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Um but then I felt like I needed more structure, so I started to draw on some of the retreats and workshops and events that I had been invited to in earlier years, where people are actually focusing on connecting in with themselves on a deeper emotional level, doing some spiritual practices and disciplines, you know, doing breastwork.
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Um I started incorporating all that stuff, including uh qigong and um African drumming and uh certain diets and you know, different kinds of breastwork throughout the day and throughout the week.
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I mean, it's nature experiences like paddleboarding down a river or kayaking, you know, just like a well-rounded week of like what would be the most amazing week, you know, that was um sort of um a combination of deep inner work and really fun external play, you know, and combination of really connecting in with yourself and then really being open to connecting to others.
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And uh, you know, it's it's kind of an interesting, it's like creating a menu of uh like what would be a great five-course you know dinner, like where would we go, what would we eat, what would we do, that kind of thing.
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I really enjoy it a lot.
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It's a great challenge.
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It sounds like it.
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It sounds like it'd be wonderful that for the people that actually do attend.
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And I hear you say breath work a lot.
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That's extremely, extremely important, isn't it?
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Yeah, yeah, breath work is amazing.
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It's kind of profound, actually.
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Um I've recorded I've recorded a series of uh breathwork uh guided music.
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Um the first one was called spiritus, because spiritus is actually the Latin word for breath, which goes to show you how interconnected breath and spirit are.
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They are, you know, you could argue arguably say they are one and the same.
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Um, it's like we're all breathing, the beginning of life we breathe, the end of life, we take our last breath, you know, is basically what infuses our physical body with life, with with with soulfulness, with with who we are.
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And um so I've been creating these breathwork experiences that are anything from really short beginners things that are like 15 minutes long to longer, like 50-minute experiences where we go deeper and there's more of an emotional release that often happens.
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And it's have you ever done breathwork?
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I haven't, no.
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Oh my god.
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Actually, uh probably the basic stuff like um breathe in and hold it for four seconds, then release count to eight to get my stress level down.
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And it actually does work because I'll have a watch on and I'll watch my stress level going down after doing that for just a few moments, actually.
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So yeah, that's called box breathing.
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Um yeah, that's useful.
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I mean, all the breath work is good, you know, whether it's pranayama or box breathing, you know, or just basically calming kinds of things.
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But then there's a whole another level of breathwork that is um more intense, like circular mouse breathing, you know, for two or three minutes with various kinds of breath holds, either on the exhale or on the inhale, or even longer, more cathartic breathing, where you're breathing really intensely for like 10 minutes, you know, and then like yelling and screaming and pounding on the ground for 30 seconds.
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I mean, there's just all kinds of things you can do that really take you to places.
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It's almost like a um like a psychedelic experience, you know.
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You you go through memories and you know, emotional releases and trauma, and you heal things and you revisit past experiences and you expand into higher realms of awareness and consciousness.
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I mean, it's it's amazing.
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It's it's honestly the most interesting thing that I do in my life is um breath work and music.
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That's amazing, that combination.
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And you know, your your music alone um can take you to different places, and it certainly does that for me.
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Anytime I listen to music like yours, it I just like I'm I'm swept away.
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Um I'm feeling all these emotions.
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Sometimes, you know, it relates to what the artist is trying to say in the music.
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Uh sometimes it doesn't.
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It does uh it depends on any individual that's listening, I suppose, but uh I find a lot of relation in this type of music without words.
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For some reason, for me, it's so much more powerful than sitting and listening to uh a song with words.
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I don't know why, but it just is.
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I think it's because the song with words, it has it's very clear about what you're supposed to be feeling or thinking or what the song is about.
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So you're actually kind of put into a box in a way.
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Uh but if you're listening to instrumental music, you you create the context.
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You create the content.
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You know, you're the one creating what's what's this song resonating in me personally as an individual in my life experience.
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That's why I've done instrumental music my whole life, is just because I really think once you throw lyrics down on something, it's really limiting the the listener's uh experience and capacity to to explore themselves through music, you know.
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That's very true.
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I've loved the couple of collaborations I've done with like Snodham Carr, you know.
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I mean, I love her and I love her her songwriting and her lyrics, you know, but generally I steer clear from from lyrics.
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It can be distracting, I think.
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You have to focus on lyrics and the music, right?
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Yeah.
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For sure.
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Well, I didn't realize you did all these things, Peter.
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It has been three years since we spoke, and I don't think we got too much in depth like we did this time about all the work you've been doing for people, and uh I think it's a wonderful thing.
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Do you hear from anybody after the fact?
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You know, a month later, somebody will touch base and say, I tell you what, everything I went through with you, Peter, was unbelievable.
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It changed my life, I'm a different person now.
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Do you get any communications like that?
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I get that communication all the time.
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Um when I host these retreats for about 15 or 20 people, they inevitably will start like either a Facebook group or a WhatsApp group, and they'll stay in touch.
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They they feel like they've connected on such a deep level, they want to stay connected for years, if not the rest of their lives.
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A lot of people come back to my retreats over and over again.
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Like usually I have at least 50% repeats at my retreats, if not more.
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And that's super gratifying because you know it just really shows how much people you know are getting out of it and really love being there.
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And, you know, so I'm always keeping the retreats evolving as well to keep me interested and keeping the repeat people interested also, because if I just did the same thing over and over again, that would be boring and redundant.
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So every year I create you know new things to do and experience and new processes and add new elements, you know, like this year we added, you know, African drumming and um group acupuncture, which was a trip.
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Um breastwork and the other stuff.
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Oh, and we also did like uh we also did like uh steam baths and cold plunges.
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Um, you know, just whatever, whatever sounds like fun at the time.
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I think that's amazing.
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You have 50% return.
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I mean that that says it all, that what you're doing really makes a difference.
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That's amazing.
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Yeah, thank you.
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Well, it's been a pleasure to talk to you again and enjoy your music and hopefully this relationship that we have together with the music uh will continue.
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Yeah, I hope so too, Keith.
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I hope you take care of yourself.
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And uh where are you on the East Coast exactly?
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Massachusetts.
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Oh, Massachusetts, okay.
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Yeah.
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Thanks for your time.
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Thank you.
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Take care.
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Okay, bye-bye.
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Hello everybody, this is Keith MuzikMan Hannaleck with the Final on Vinyl Podcast, and tonight we're with Peter Kater, who is getting ready to release his new album called Untethered Heart on August 22nd, this Friday.
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Uh welcome back aboard, Peter.
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We spoke about three years ago.
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Hey Keith, nice to talk to you again.
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Yes.
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How's uh everything in Hawaii?
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Uh pretty awesome, have to be honest with you.
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It's beautiful here.
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I love it air.
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I bet.
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How long have you been there?
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I've been here on and off for like nineteen years.
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Oh wow.
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I mean I was on I was on Maui for a good fifteen years, and then the last four years I've been here in Oahu.
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Nice.
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So I'm wondering how you came up with that title for the album.
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Untethered to me is free of anything holding you back, pinning you down, you know, complete freedom and in your artistry.
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Is is that how you looked at that when you came up with that title?
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Or was there another meeting?
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Uh meaning.
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Like um, you know, I've been kind of working on myself, on my personal healing and freedom and emotional and spiritual growth for the majority of my life, and um actually feel like I've gotten to a place just very recently where um I could say that I'm pretty free.
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I feel pretty free, you know, like on so many levels.
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And um I mean it's an ongoing process, but uh I definitely feel like I I've traversed a great distance and hit kind of a milestone recently with uh just the kind of space I'm inhabiting in my inner world and how it's reflecting in my outer world as well.
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So the album is uh autobiographical in terms of its title and its meeting for sure.
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Oh, I see.
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Okay.
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So that was the driving force behind recording this.
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So when did it start and when did you wrap it up and get ready to release it to the world?
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Um I think I started recording it early in the year and uh you know, was sort of like a few months process, you know, recording all the strings and stuff.
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Um, you know, the music is some of the the music is new, some of it is, you know, a couple of um tracks that I've already, you know, recorded once, but you know, I re-recorded them in a different way and then added strings to them.
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Uh yeah, I mean it's like uh my music is always like a a current reflection of where I'm at, you know, and what I'm interested in.
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So I don't put a lot of like conceptual thought into it.
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It's more of a knee-jerk emotional sort of reaction, to be honest.
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So you sit right down at the piano and then come up with a basic framework and go from there, or how what's your process like?
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Well, inspiration, you know, hits us all in different ways.
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And for me, it's like, yes, I could be sitting at the piano, or I could be, you know, on a hike or something, or doing something I love with, you know, people that I care about, you know, whatever, but inspiration hits and it just kind of takes me and I respond, you know.
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It's more like flowing and being present with with where you're at.
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And um, you know, it's it's not like I said, it's not like a process like you bake a cake or something.
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It's much more it's much more in the moment and spontaneous than that.
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So did you have any collaborations set up prior to this, or was all of this just you?
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It was just me.
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Well And you only took a few months.
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That's pretty amazing to get done in that period of time, I think.
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Yeah, some records take a few days, some take a few years.
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I've definitely had the gamut.
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This one was this one was somewhere in the middle, yeah, probably.
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I mean I don't know, maybe six months all in all from the writing through completion.
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Not too long.
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Oh, okay.
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Any plans to take it on the road, present it to an audience?
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Um I'm working I'm focusing really mostly on my retreats these days.
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Uh I I have been doing some concerts, but it's not really my focal point, you know, because the concerts are like 90 minutes and they begin and then they end.
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I love hosting these weeklong retreats because it's almost like it begins with a concert and then it just keeps on going from there, you know, to deeper and deeper layers of intimacy and connection with the people that are attending the retreat.
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So I'm more into focusing on where I'm going to do retreats, what time of year, for how many days, uh, what the focus is going to be.
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You know, I do some in Hawaii, I do some in Montana.
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I'm thinking about doing one up in uh Victoria Island outside of Vancouver.
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Um I did one in upstate New York this summer.
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Um, you know, um hosting some breathworking music in Poland next summer.
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Um possibly in um Tuscany, Italy as well.
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So that's really where my passion is right now.
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Nice to be able to travel like that.
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You must meet all kinds of people.
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How does that affect you as a person with your energy?
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Um giving all that energy up for all these people for a week long at a retreat.
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Is it what's that like for you?
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Well, it's a discipline for sure, because you know, it's the art of really showing up and being present, you know, every day, all day.
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And it's not only being present with myself, it's being present with the people I'm around.
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And sometimes that's an interesting balance, you know, because I have to also honor myself and my needs as well.
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So um I tend to, you know, I've gotten better at it.
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It's definitely like where my edge is, where my learning curve is, because I'm I'm actually more of a reclusive introvert kind of person.
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So to be around people, you know, all day and be kind of leading and hosting a lot of processes and breastwork and authentic relating and music and all this kind of stuff, it's definitely pushing my edge and I'm growing a lot.
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Um so sometimes I come out of the retreats feeling kind of high and expanded and exhilarated, and sometimes I feel a little like, oh, I need some alone time, you know, just gonna just recharge for a few days or a week, you know.
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It just depends.
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It's always different.
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I can understand that.
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How long have you been doing the retreats?
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So when did all that start for you?
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Was that like a a branch off of the music?
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Was it a natural path to take for you?
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Uh I think it started about 15 years ago, um, but they've evolved since then.
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Like I think the retreat started when I was living on Maui, and I would invite people that loved my music to come and hang out and you know, hang out with me for a week and go to all my favorite beaches and restaurants.
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And, you know, they would pay a certain amount of money for that, and I would take care of all the hotels and meals and all that kind of stuff.
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Um but then I felt like I needed more structure, so I started to draw on some of the retreats and workshops and events that I had been invited to in earlier years, where people are actually focusing on connecting in with themselves on a deeper emotional level, doing some spiritual practices and disciplines, you know, doing breastwork.
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Um I started incorporating all that stuff, including uh qigong and um African drumming and uh certain diets and you know, different kinds of breastwork throughout the day and throughout the week.
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I mean, it's nature experiences like paddleboarding down a river or kayaking, you know, just like a well-rounded week of like what would be the most amazing week, you know, that was um sort of um a combination of deep inner work and really fun external play, you know, and combination of really connecting in with yourself and then really being open to connecting to others.
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And uh, you know, it's it's kind of an interesting, it's like creating a menu of uh like what would be a great five-course you know dinner, like where would we go, what would we eat, what would we do, that kind of thing.
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I really enjoy it a lot.
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It's a great challenge.
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It sounds like it.
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It sounds like it'd be wonderful that for the people that actually do attend.
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And I hear you say breath work a lot.
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That's extremely, extremely important, isn't it?
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Yeah, yeah, breath work is amazing.
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It's kind of profound, actually.
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Um I've recorded I've recorded a series of uh breathwork uh guided music.
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Um the first one was called spiritus, because spiritus is actually the Latin word for breath, which goes to show you how interconnected breath and spirit are.
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They are, you know, you could argue arguably say they are one and the same.
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Um, it's like we're all breathing, the beginning of life we breathe, the end of life, we take our last breath, you know, is basically what infuses our physical body with life, with with with soulfulness, with with who we are.
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And um so I've been creating these breathwork experiences that are anything from really short beginners things that are like 15 minutes long to longer, like 50-minute experiences where we go deeper and there's more of an emotional release that often happens.
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And it's have you ever done breathwork?
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I haven't, no.
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Oh my god.
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Actually, uh probably the basic stuff like um breathe in and hold it for four seconds, then release count to eight to get my stress level down.
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And it actually does work because I'll have a watch on and I'll watch my stress level going down after doing that for just a few moments, actually.
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So yeah, that's called box breathing.
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Um yeah, that's useful.
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I mean, all the breath work is good, you know, whether it's pranayama or box breathing, you know, or just basically calming kinds of things.
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But then there's a whole another level of breathwork that is um more intense, like circular mouse breathing, you know, for two or three minutes with various kinds of breath holds, either on the exhale or on the inhale, or even longer, more cathartic breathing, where you're breathing really intensely for like 10 minutes, you know, and then like yelling and screaming and pounding on the ground for 30 seconds.
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I mean, there's just all kinds of things you can do that really take you to places.
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It's almost like a um like a psychedelic experience, you know.
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You you go through memories and you know, emotional releases and trauma, and you heal things and you revisit past experiences and you expand into higher realms of awareness and consciousness.
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I mean, it's it's amazing.
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It's it's honestly the most interesting thing that I do in my life is um breath work and music.
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That's amazing, that combination.
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And you know, your your music alone um can take you to different places, and it certainly does that for me.
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Anytime I listen to music like yours, it I just like I'm I'm swept away.
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Um I'm feeling all these emotions.
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Sometimes, you know, it relates to what the artist is trying to say in the music.
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Uh sometimes it doesn't.
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It does uh it depends on any individual that's listening, I suppose, but uh I find a lot of relation in this type of music without words.
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For some reason, for me, it's so much more powerful than sitting and listening to uh a song with words.
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I don't know why, but it just is.
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I think it's because the song with words, it has it's very clear about what you're supposed to be feeling or thinking or what the song is about.
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So you're actually kind of put into a box in a way.
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Uh but if you're listening to instrumental music, you you create the context.
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You create the content.
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You know, you're the one creating what's what's this song resonating in me personally as an individual in my life experience.
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That's why I've done instrumental music my whole life, is just because I really think once you throw lyrics down on something, it's really limiting the the listener's uh experience and capacity to to explore themselves through music, you know.
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That's very true.
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I've loved the couple of collaborations I've done with like Snodham Carr, you know.
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I mean, I love her and I love her her songwriting and her lyrics, you know, but generally I steer clear from from lyrics.
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It can be distracting, I think.
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You have to focus on lyrics and the music, right?
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Yeah.
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For sure.
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Well, I didn't realize you did all these things, Peter.
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It has been three years since we spoke, and I don't think we got too much in depth like we did this time about all the work you've been doing for people, and uh I think it's a wonderful thing.
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Do you hear from anybody after the fact?
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You know, a month later, somebody will touch base and say, I tell you what, everything I went through with you, Peter, was unbelievable.
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It changed my life, I'm a different person now.
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Do you get any communications like that?
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I get that communication all the time.
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Um when I host these retreats for about 15 or 20 people, they inevitably will start like either a Facebook group or a WhatsApp group, and they'll stay in touch.
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They they feel like they've connected on such a deep level, they want to stay connected for years, if not the rest of their lives.
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A lot of people come back to my retreats over and over again.
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Like usually I have at least 50% repeats at my retreats, if not more.
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And that's super gratifying because you know it just really shows how much people you know are getting out of it and really love being there.
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And, you know, so I'm always keeping the retreats evolving as well to keep me interested and keeping the repeat people interested also, because if I just did the same thing over and over again, that would be boring and redundant.
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So every year I create you know new things to do and experience and new processes and add new elements, you know, like this year we added, you know, African drumming and um group acupuncture, which was a trip.
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Um breastwork and the other stuff.
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Oh, and we also did like uh we also did like uh steam baths and cold plunges.
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Um, you know, just whatever, whatever sounds like fun at the time.
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I think that's amazing.
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You have 50% return.
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I mean that that says it all, that what you're doing really makes a difference.
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That's amazing.
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Yeah, thank you.
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Well, it's been a pleasure to talk to you again and enjoy your music and hopefully this relationship that we have together with the music uh will continue.
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Yeah, I hope so too, Keith.
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I hope you take care of yourself.
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And uh where are you on the East Coast exactly?
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Massachusetts.
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Oh, Massachusetts, okay.
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Yeah.
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Thanks for your time.
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Thank you.
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Take care.
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Okay, bye-bye.
