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We all know the movie version of security.
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The agents, the high-risk missions, dramatic moments.
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But real protection starts long before the action.
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It's the preparation, the discipline, the judgment, the quiet decisions most people never see.
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Welcome to Risk and Readiness, a podcast from Draco Group, hosted by Ariel Siegelman and Celia Cortez.
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Each episode pulls back the curtain on the protection world.
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How professionals think, prepare, stay calm under pressure, and manage risk before everyone else sees it.
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This isn't a secret.
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It's a mindset for leaders, organizations, families, and anyone responsible for keeping people safe.
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There's no no big risk.
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No pressure.
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I mean, they they try to put pressure on you, but it's like all artificial.
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Not high risk.
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If you're not in war, there's no pressure.
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So we're in the desert, hot day.
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It was tough.
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We're tired.
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We're uh probably thirsty, definitely hungry.
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So I remember we finally had a break.
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Um we're all all these soldiers sitting in the shade, the little bit of shade that we could find, and um some guy, Jobnik, right?
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Like a guy who's not a not a combatant, he's a logistics soldier, and you know we always like to make fun of the those guys.
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I've learned I've learned since then how important we need those guys.
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Yeah, we need those guys.
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Um, but anyways, this guy brings a big box, cardboard box, filled with half sandwiches, right?
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To very hungry men.
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Yeah, right, to a bunch of hungry soldiers.
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So we're starving.
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It's almost like enough food that you just remember how starving you are.
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So, like, I get my little triangle slice of sandwich, and there's a bunch of guys there, and so each one of us is like eating our little sandwich.
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Um, I even remember what was on it.
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Not very memorable.
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No, no, I don't know.
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Oh, you do remember what was on it.
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It was very memorable because I was so hungry.
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It was some slices of cucumber with some some hummus, as they say it in America.
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So uh, so I eat my sandwich, the box you can see in the box there's two sandwiches left.
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Little pieces.
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And this guy sitting next to me, he's like, You wanna let's let's take those two little pieces of sandwich.
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I'll show let's share them.
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And I think to myself, I look around and I'm like, God, there must be like 60 other soldiers here.
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Am I the most hungry guy here?
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And then I thought, you know, there's like 60 guys here.
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Are all of them here, or is somebody stuck like maybe some officer is talking to one guy, or maybe somebody was finishing something over here, or maybe those two sandwiches are for two guys who didn't make it here yet, and they're gonna get here, and if I eat that last half a sandwich, then they don't get to eat.
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So this is what's going through my mind, right?
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So I turned to the guy, I'm like, nah, no, man, that's uh uh we we should leave him.
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And you can see like the guy's kinda uncomfortable, but I don't think he wanted to be the only guy to to eat the last sandwich.
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So he was like, uh gets up and walks away.
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So there's another guy sitting there.
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He kind of leans over and he says, he's like, Man, who is that guy?
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I knew the guy from civilian life, actually.
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I was like, why?
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He's so and so.
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He's like, he never finished the training, did he?
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He didn't get tabbed, right?
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Like, when you finish your training, you're a warrior in the unit.
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He's like, he's not a warrior.
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That's what he said to me.
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He's like, that's not a warrior.
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And I was like, what do you mean?
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Turns out that I knew that the guy had fallen out of the training.
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He had not he'd not finished the the training.
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Um so I was like, Well, yeah, that's actually true.
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How did you know that?
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He goes, Because a warrior would never eat the last sandwich.
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And that stuck with me.
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Because I didn't even realize that my feeling of like, no, I couldn't possibly be the most hungry guy here.
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But it stuck with me because I I realized that there are certain kinds of people in the world and that f again, it go maybe goes back to self-discipline.
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It goes back to thinking about others as well as yourself.
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Like you have to take care of yourself in this world.
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Who else is gonna take care of you if you don't take care of yourself?
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But if you only take care of yourself, then what kind of a person are you?
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As a man much greater than me has said before.
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So so the people I think who we want to be around are people who would never eat the last sandwich.
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That's a lesson I try to teach all of our guys, and definitely a lesson that I try to teach my children.
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Well, yeah, since we're on the topic of food.
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Sure.
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Um, so it reminds me of another experience that I had that again seems silly.
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Uh maybe it's just because I'm a philosopher at heart.
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Right.
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So here we are.
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Me and my colonel traveled the world together many times.
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Um we ended up in London at one point, and I didn't used to dress like this ever.
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Yeah.
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Except for, you know, I had like a suit that didn't fit me right.
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So here I was in my uh in my cheap suit that didn't fit me right for a meeting in London with these posh Brits.
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We're staying with this guy who uh does not have the same kind of background as us.
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Yeah.
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And so we we we didn't really get along with this guy that well, but that's a different story.
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So we're in his house, nice enough guy, why not?
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Um he opens the refrigerator, and we're my colonel and I are kind of in the other room, but we hear like crash.
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And we hear this guy in his British accent, he's like, Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god.
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So me and my colonel come running.
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Running in some emergency.
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What is it?
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It's a must be an emergency.
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So we look, there's soup had fallen out of the refrigerator, and there was soup spilled on the floor.
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So this guy's like, oh my god, the soup.
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My colonel's like, David, it's just soup.
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He turns to me and he's like, he goes, You know, it is very important in this world to know the difference between soup and something serious.
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It leads me to think a lot about um what is the difference between something serious and something not so serious.
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And I think that um the more that we can make distinctions in our lives and in our situations, the more prepared we are to be serious people.
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So if everywhere I go, I'm at a heightened level of readiness, and I'm at a heightened level, if everything is like the equal level of risk and the way I treat it is with an equal level of threat, how can I operate in my life like that?
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I mean, I think it's much better to be able to recognize that there are certain things that you go through that are more risky and certain things that are less risky, and there's certain places that innately have more risk and certain places that have less risk, and that you're able to assess your situation at all times.
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You're doing a field assessment all the time.
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Um, and and it doesn't have to just be in this industry, right?
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It's like, what am I going through in my life that I need to really get like hyped up about?
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And everything else is probably something I can be relaxed about.
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You know, it reminds me of uh again, going back to our kids.
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Our son's car breaks down on the side of the road.
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We get this phone call like, oh my god, my car broke down on the side, oh my god, what should I do?
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He's a new driver.
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First time car breaking down.
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No problem.
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What a great opportunity.
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That's right.
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So, what was the first thing I asked him?
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Tell us.
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Are you in danger?
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Is anyone bleeding?
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Well, no, nobody's bleeding.
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Okay, are you in danger of bleeding?
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Are you safe?
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Well, yeah, I'm I'm safe.
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Okay, great.
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Who else is in the car with you?
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Are they safe?
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Well, yeah, they're safe.
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Okay.
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Then you can take a deep breath.
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And he was like, Oh yeah, I can take a deep breath.
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Everything's gonna be okay.
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Now we can start assessing the situation from there.
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And so, you know, I I think about these kind of things because even though it's not an exciting, you know, shoot 'em out event, it is a mild emergency.
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There's there's a moment of lack of control.
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And so being able to exercise those muscles of that that are the principles of security allows us to be more controlled and better warriors in everything we do in our lives.
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I think about it as a a warrior doesn't eat the last sandwich.
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A warrior also is someone who doesn't freak out over little things.
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In fact, a warrior is someone who probably doesn't freak out over anything, because the true professional is the individual who is able to operate out of intellect even during highly emotional situations.
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Emotional situations are that's what's happening inside of us.
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And so how do we how do we take what's happening outside of us that may be chaotic and still have peace within us?
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And you can work quickly, right?
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You can work with urgency, but you don't have to have chaos within you.
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Certainly in this industry, there are many uh many aspects of life that I feel like add to what it is that we do in the security industry.
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There's also many things that we experience in our business that add to our lives.
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Yes.
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Um, everything is kind of a culmination, but certainly my military service added a lot to the way that I see the world, the way that I operate in the security field.
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It also adds a lot to how I operate with um giving advice to people.
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You know, like our own guy, we we work with people.
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That's right.
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So like we'll give advice, we're we're leading and we're leading our own personnel to be a certain kind of human being.
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And sometimes we have to give advice to our clients.
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Sometimes they do things that are maybe risky for themselves.
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Our values, you know, it's interesting to kind of consider where where our values come from, because usually they will have come from some sort of a uh problem or like some sort of a serious problem that we may have dealt with in the past, where we're like, oh, this is something I never want to have to deal with again.
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This is this is unacceptable.
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Yes.
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Um, you know, so uh so we have zero doubt as a as an one of our core values.
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And I would say that it comes from having experienced problems where there is a doubt.
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And you know, what's funny to me, uh I I was in the army, right?
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I spent a good amount of time dealing with um pretty significant problems.
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And uh part of being in the army is, you know, anybody who's in in the military can probably identify with this.
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There's always those guys who are and sometimes you're that guy, who like you're looking for a way, you don't want to be called out not doing the job right or you know being a little bit lazy.
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But like, so you want to do whatever it takes to look like you're doing the job, but it's really it's really easy to fall into that mindset of like, why do I want to work so hard?
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Sure.
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Um so as you rise up in the ranks and you start dealing with guys who are, you know, you're now your leader in in certain scenarios, you are very keen on that because you're like, wait a second, I know exactly what's going on here.
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You're not doing the job right.
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Other people now have to carry your weight.
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And we're in a situation where people's lives are on the line.
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And and we have children.
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So uh, you know, it's funny to watch how our kids grow with these sorts of um, even if they don't know every story, every experience that we've had.
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Uh certainly those things show, I think, in the way that we treat them.
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And we instill that in them along the way through all these lessons.
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Yeah.
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So, you know, recently our our son was on the Appalachian Trail.
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Yes.
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He hiked for 15 days.
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Um, the first week, it didn't stop raining.
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He was soaked for days.
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Yep.
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So we get this phone call, he gets dropped off, he and his friend are walking.
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Um, eight hours in, we're sitting on the couch.
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Yes, get a phone call, and he's like, Dad, um, you know, this is it, it hasn't stopped raining.
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And like, my my friend's feet have blisters on them.
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And I hear, yeah, and I hear the the other kid, he goes, uh, what'd he say?
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He goes, We're gonna need an extraction.
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And I'm like, an extraction?
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I'm like hearing helicopters, you know?
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Like, oh yeah, for sure, man.
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An extraction, yeah.
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Um, so so what do I do?
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I'm I'm like, okay, um, well, maybe, maybe you guys bit off a little more than than you can chew.
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You know, it's funny because when you look at a map, 10 miles on a map or 20 miles on a map looks much easier than it does when you have a backpack on and it's raining on you and you're on the ground.
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And so I was like, man, maybe uh maybe you guys need to not walk 20 miles tomorrow.
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Maybe you need to think about walking 10 miles.
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So this kid says, uh, he's like, no, we can't just replan our trip.
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We need an extraction.
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And I was like, oh, well, have you I'm trying to walk them through like maybe problem solving.
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Sure.
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Um, finally I get to the point where they're, you know, arguing with me.
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And what did I say?
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Tell us.
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I'm like, oh, yeah.
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No, that makes sense.
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Probably this is impossible.
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Probably no one else has ever accomplished this on the Appalachian Trail, you said.
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Yeah.
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I don't think anybody's ever hiked the Appalachian Trail.
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You're right.
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After eight hours of your planned 15-day trip, you probably need an extraction.
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And we could hear crickets.
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It was fantastic because you could hear their wheels spinning, like, oh, dang it.
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Dang it, he's right.
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When I talked to our son about that, you know, weeks later, I'm like, so what was that like?
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He's like, he's like, dude, when my friend was saying that, I was like, no, please shut up.
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Don't you know who you're talking to?
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Not to my dad.
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To my dad.
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Oh god.
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So it's funny because um they were successful.
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They were successful, pushed through blisters, yeah, pulled muscles, all kinds of stuff.
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15 days, no joke for for some teenagers to be out there on their own for 15 days in the rain and uh planning their food and their stops and their camps.
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It was incredible.
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But I'm not sure that they would have been successful without some like tough love.
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That's right.
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And that's what it comes down to, right?
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I mean, it's like when you I think that maybe today in society I hear a lot of people um making excuses for failure and and utilizing saying that, like, oh, this is how much I care about you.
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I don't want you to have to work hard.
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I don't want you to have to go through anything difficult.
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And I think that maybe what we're forgetting is that um overcoming difficulties is actually a wonderful thing.
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It's actually something that builds us and makes us more resilient.
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Avoiding difficulties makes us into less resilient people.
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It makes it so that um something small be seems like something big.
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And so why is it important to be like, hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna say something that's gonna make you feel like an idiot right now?
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I'm gonna say something that, like, oh, you need you're going through some difficulties, and you're gonna give up after eight hours.
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I love you, and I know that you're tougher than that.
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I believe in you.
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And so having allowing that teenager or allowing anybody in your life who you love, including your own people who work for you, to be like, Man, are you really gonna give up now?
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Can you take one more step?
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If you could take one more step, then do that, and then reassess and ask, can you take one more step?
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Yes.
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You having that zero doubt in them instilled that zero doubt in themselves.
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They're like, okay, I have no doubt.
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Okay, if he believes it, and after they came off the trail, that was one of the things our son said was if at any point dad would have told me, it's okay, you guys can can bail, I would have bailed immediately.
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But because he even said he's like, I would have been like, oh, thank God.
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But he said it was because you kept telling them you guys can do this.
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People have done this, they've suffered through worse weather conditions.
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It might suck, you're soggy, you probably have blisters, you can do this.
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It was that zero doubt you were instilling in them that gave them that zero doubt in themselves.
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In some ways, maybe it was even like it was even like pushing back on them, asking, Do you have doubt in yourself?
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Like, do you think this is the hardest thing?
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Is this it?
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Is this the hardest thing that you can ever overcome?
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Is this gonna beat you?
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Are you gonna allow this to be victorious over you, or are you gonna be victorious over this difficult situation?
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And they're like, God, who am I?
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Who do I wanna be?
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That's right.
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And now create yourself.
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They'll tell the story the rest of their lives of what they managed to overcome, because it it wasn't a trivial thing.
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The weather, the conditions, the um the snakes, the venomous snakes they came across.
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So push through.
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Serious stuff.
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Very cool.
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It'll it'll travel with them for the rest of their lives because it's a serious situation.
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That's right.
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We all know the movie version of security.
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The agents, the high-risk missions, dramatic moments.
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But real protection starts long before the action.
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It's the preparation, the discipline, the judgment, the quiet decisions most people never see.
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Welcome to Risk and Readiness, a podcast from Draco Group, hosted by Ariel Siegelman and Celia Cortez.
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Each episode pulls back the curtain on the protection world.
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How professionals think, prepare, stay calm under pressure, and manage risk before everyone else sees it.
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This isn't a secret.
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It's a mindset for leaders, organizations, families, and anyone responsible for keeping people safe.
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There's no no big risk.
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No pressure.
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I mean, they they try to put pressure on you, but it's like all artificial.
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Not high risk.
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If you're not in war, there's no pressure.
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So we're in the desert, hot day.
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It was tough.
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We're tired.
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We're uh probably thirsty, definitely hungry.
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So I remember we finally had a break.
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Um we're all all these soldiers sitting in the shade, the little bit of shade that we could find, and um some guy, Jobnik, right?
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Like a guy who's not a not a combatant, he's a logistics soldier, and you know we always like to make fun of the those guys.
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I've learned I've learned since then how important we need those guys.
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Yeah, we need those guys.
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Um, but anyways, this guy brings a big box, cardboard box, filled with half sandwiches, right?
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To very hungry men.
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Yeah, right, to a bunch of hungry soldiers.
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So we're starving.
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It's almost like enough food that you just remember how starving you are.
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So, like, I get my little triangle slice of sandwich, and there's a bunch of guys there, and so each one of us is like eating our little sandwich.
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Um, I even remember what was on it.
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Not very memorable.
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No, no, I don't know.
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Oh, you do remember what was on it.
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It was very memorable because I was so hungry.
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It was some slices of cucumber with some some hummus, as they say it in America.
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So uh, so I eat my sandwich, the box you can see in the box there's two sandwiches left.
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Little pieces.
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And this guy sitting next to me, he's like, You wanna let's let's take those two little pieces of sandwich.
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I'll show let's share them.
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And I think to myself, I look around and I'm like, God, there must be like 60 other soldiers here.
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Am I the most hungry guy here?
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And then I thought, you know, there's like 60 guys here.
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Are all of them here, or is somebody stuck like maybe some officer is talking to one guy, or maybe somebody was finishing something over here, or maybe those two sandwiches are for two guys who didn't make it here yet, and they're gonna get here, and if I eat that last half a sandwich, then they don't get to eat.
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So this is what's going through my mind, right?
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So I turned to the guy, I'm like, nah, no, man, that's uh uh we we should leave him.
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And you can see like the guy's kinda uncomfortable, but I don't think he wanted to be the only guy to to eat the last sandwich.
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So he was like, uh gets up and walks away.
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So there's another guy sitting there.
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He kind of leans over and he says, he's like, Man, who is that guy?
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I knew the guy from civilian life, actually.
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I was like, why?
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He's so and so.
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He's like, he never finished the training, did he?
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He didn't get tabbed, right?
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Like, when you finish your training, you're a warrior in the unit.
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He's like, he's not a warrior.
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That's what he said to me.
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He's like, that's not a warrior.
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And I was like, what do you mean?
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Turns out that I knew that the guy had fallen out of the training.
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He had not he'd not finished the the training.
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Um so I was like, Well, yeah, that's actually true.
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How did you know that?
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He goes, Because a warrior would never eat the last sandwich.
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And that stuck with me.
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Because I didn't even realize that my feeling of like, no, I couldn't possibly be the most hungry guy here.
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But it stuck with me because I I realized that there are certain kinds of people in the world and that f again, it go maybe goes back to self-discipline.
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It goes back to thinking about others as well as yourself.
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Like you have to take care of yourself in this world.
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Who else is gonna take care of you if you don't take care of yourself?
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But if you only take care of yourself, then what kind of a person are you?
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As a man much greater than me has said before.
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So so the people I think who we want to be around are people who would never eat the last sandwich.
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That's a lesson I try to teach all of our guys, and definitely a lesson that I try to teach my children.
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Well, yeah, since we're on the topic of food.
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Sure.
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Um, so it reminds me of another experience that I had that again seems silly.
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Uh maybe it's just because I'm a philosopher at heart.
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Right.
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So here we are.
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Me and my colonel traveled the world together many times.
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Um we ended up in London at one point, and I didn't used to dress like this ever.
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Yeah.
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Except for, you know, I had like a suit that didn't fit me right.
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So here I was in my uh in my cheap suit that didn't fit me right for a meeting in London with these posh Brits.
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We're staying with this guy who uh does not have the same kind of background as us.
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Yeah.
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And so we we we didn't really get along with this guy that well, but that's a different story.
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So we're in his house, nice enough guy, why not?
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Um he opens the refrigerator, and we're my colonel and I are kind of in the other room, but we hear like crash.
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And we hear this guy in his British accent, he's like, Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god.
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So me and my colonel come running.
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Running in some emergency.
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What is it?
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It's a must be an emergency.
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So we look, there's soup had fallen out of the refrigerator, and there was soup spilled on the floor.
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So this guy's like, oh my god, the soup.
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My colonel's like, David, it's just soup.
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He turns to me and he's like, he goes, You know, it is very important in this world to know the difference between soup and something serious.
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It leads me to think a lot about um what is the difference between something serious and something not so serious.
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And I think that um the more that we can make distinctions in our lives and in our situations, the more prepared we are to be serious people.
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So if everywhere I go, I'm at a heightened level of readiness, and I'm at a heightened level, if everything is like the equal level of risk and the way I treat it is with an equal level of threat, how can I operate in my life like that?
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I mean, I think it's much better to be able to recognize that there are certain things that you go through that are more risky and certain things that are less risky, and there's certain places that innately have more risk and certain places that have less risk, and that you're able to assess your situation at all times.
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You're doing a field assessment all the time.
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Um, and and it doesn't have to just be in this industry, right?
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It's like, what am I going through in my life that I need to really get like hyped up about?
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And everything else is probably something I can be relaxed about.
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You know, it reminds me of uh again, going back to our kids.
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Our son's car breaks down on the side of the road.
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We get this phone call like, oh my god, my car broke down on the side, oh my god, what should I do?
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He's a new driver.
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First time car breaking down.
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No problem.
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What a great opportunity.
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That's right.
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So, what was the first thing I asked him?
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Tell us.
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Are you in danger?
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Is anyone bleeding?
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Well, no, nobody's bleeding.
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Okay, are you in danger of bleeding?
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Are you safe?
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Well, yeah, I'm I'm safe.
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Okay, great.
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Who else is in the car with you?
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Are they safe?
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Well, yeah, they're safe.
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Okay.
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Then you can take a deep breath.
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And he was like, Oh yeah, I can take a deep breath.
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Everything's gonna be okay.
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Now we can start assessing the situation from there.
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And so, you know, I I think about these kind of things because even though it's not an exciting, you know, shoot 'em out event, it is a mild emergency.
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There's there's a moment of lack of control.
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And so being able to exercise those muscles of that that are the principles of security allows us to be more controlled and better warriors in everything we do in our lives.
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I think about it as a a warrior doesn't eat the last sandwich.
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A warrior also is someone who doesn't freak out over little things.
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In fact, a warrior is someone who probably doesn't freak out over anything, because the true professional is the individual who is able to operate out of intellect even during highly emotional situations.
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Emotional situations are that's what's happening inside of us.
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And so how do we how do we take what's happening outside of us that may be chaotic and still have peace within us?
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And you can work quickly, right?
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You can work with urgency, but you don't have to have chaos within you.
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Certainly in this industry, there are many uh many aspects of life that I feel like add to what it is that we do in the security industry.
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There's also many things that we experience in our business that add to our lives.
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Yes.
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Um, everything is kind of a culmination, but certainly my military service added a lot to the way that I see the world, the way that I operate in the security field.
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It also adds a lot to how I operate with um giving advice to people.
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You know, like our own guy, we we work with people.
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That's right.
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So like we'll give advice, we're we're leading and we're leading our own personnel to be a certain kind of human being.
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And sometimes we have to give advice to our clients.
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Sometimes they do things that are maybe risky for themselves.
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Our values, you know, it's interesting to kind of consider where where our values come from, because usually they will have come from some sort of a uh problem or like some sort of a serious problem that we may have dealt with in the past, where we're like, oh, this is something I never want to have to deal with again.
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This is this is unacceptable.
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Yes.
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Um, you know, so uh so we have zero doubt as a as an one of our core values.
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And I would say that it comes from having experienced problems where there is a doubt.
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And you know, what's funny to me, uh I I was in the army, right?
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I spent a good amount of time dealing with um pretty significant problems.
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And uh part of being in the army is, you know, anybody who's in in the military can probably identify with this.
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There's always those guys who are and sometimes you're that guy, who like you're looking for a way, you don't want to be called out not doing the job right or you know being a little bit lazy.
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But like, so you want to do whatever it takes to look like you're doing the job, but it's really it's really easy to fall into that mindset of like, why do I want to work so hard?
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Sure.
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Um so as you rise up in the ranks and you start dealing with guys who are, you know, you're now your leader in in certain scenarios, you are very keen on that because you're like, wait a second, I know exactly what's going on here.
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You're not doing the job right.
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Other people now have to carry your weight.
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And we're in a situation where people's lives are on the line.
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And and we have children.
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So uh, you know, it's funny to watch how our kids grow with these sorts of um, even if they don't know every story, every experience that we've had.
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Uh certainly those things show, I think, in the way that we treat them.
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And we instill that in them along the way through all these lessons.
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Yeah.
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So, you know, recently our our son was on the Appalachian Trail.
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Yes.
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He hiked for 15 days.
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Um, the first week, it didn't stop raining.
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He was soaked for days.
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Yep.
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So we get this phone call, he gets dropped off, he and his friend are walking.
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Um, eight hours in, we're sitting on the couch.
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Yes, get a phone call, and he's like, Dad, um, you know, this is it, it hasn't stopped raining.
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And like, my my friend's feet have blisters on them.
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And I hear, yeah, and I hear the the other kid, he goes, uh, what'd he say?
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He goes, We're gonna need an extraction.
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And I'm like, an extraction?
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I'm like hearing helicopters, you know?
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Like, oh yeah, for sure, man.
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An extraction, yeah.
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Um, so so what do I do?
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I'm I'm like, okay, um, well, maybe, maybe you guys bit off a little more than than you can chew.
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You know, it's funny because when you look at a map, 10 miles on a map or 20 miles on a map looks much easier than it does when you have a backpack on and it's raining on you and you're on the ground.
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And so I was like, man, maybe uh maybe you guys need to not walk 20 miles tomorrow.
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Maybe you need to think about walking 10 miles.
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So this kid says, uh, he's like, no, we can't just replan our trip.
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We need an extraction.
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And I was like, oh, well, have you I'm trying to walk them through like maybe problem solving.
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Sure.
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Um, finally I get to the point where they're, you know, arguing with me.
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And what did I say?
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Tell us.
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I'm like, oh, yeah.
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No, that makes sense.
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Probably this is impossible.
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Probably no one else has ever accomplished this on the Appalachian Trail, you said.
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Yeah.
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I don't think anybody's ever hiked the Appalachian Trail.
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You're right.
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After eight hours of your planned 15-day trip, you probably need an extraction.
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And we could hear crickets.
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It was fantastic because you could hear their wheels spinning, like, oh, dang it.
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Dang it, he's right.
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When I talked to our son about that, you know, weeks later, I'm like, so what was that like?
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He's like, he's like, dude, when my friend was saying that, I was like, no, please shut up.
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Don't you know who you're talking to?
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Not to my dad.
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To my dad.
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Oh god.
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So it's funny because um they were successful.
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They were successful, pushed through blisters, yeah, pulled muscles, all kinds of stuff.
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15 days, no joke for for some teenagers to be out there on their own for 15 days in the rain and uh planning their food and their stops and their camps.
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It was incredible.
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But I'm not sure that they would have been successful without some like tough love.
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That's right.
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And that's what it comes down to, right?
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I mean, it's like when you I think that maybe today in society I hear a lot of people um making excuses for failure and and utilizing saying that, like, oh, this is how much I care about you.
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I don't want you to have to work hard.
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I don't want you to have to go through anything difficult.
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And I think that maybe what we're forgetting is that um overcoming difficulties is actually a wonderful thing.
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It's actually something that builds us and makes us more resilient.
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Avoiding difficulties makes us into less resilient people.
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It makes it so that um something small be seems like something big.
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And so why is it important to be like, hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna say something that's gonna make you feel like an idiot right now?
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I'm gonna say something that, like, oh, you need you're going through some difficulties, and you're gonna give up after eight hours.
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I love you, and I know that you're tougher than that.
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I believe in you.
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And so having allowing that teenager or allowing anybody in your life who you love, including your own people who work for you, to be like, Man, are you really gonna give up now?
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Can you take one more step?
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If you could take one more step, then do that, and then reassess and ask, can you take one more step?
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Yes.
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You having that zero doubt in them instilled that zero doubt in themselves.
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They're like, okay, I have no doubt.
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Okay, if he believes it, and after they came off the trail, that was one of the things our son said was if at any point dad would have told me, it's okay, you guys can can bail, I would have bailed immediately.
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But because he even said he's like, I would have been like, oh, thank God.
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But he said it was because you kept telling them you guys can do this.
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People have done this, they've suffered through worse weather conditions.
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It might suck, you're soggy, you probably have blisters, you can do this.
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It was that zero doubt you were instilling in them that gave them that zero doubt in themselves.
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In some ways, maybe it was even like it was even like pushing back on them, asking, Do you have doubt in yourself?
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Like, do you think this is the hardest thing?
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Is this it?
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Is this the hardest thing that you can ever overcome?
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Is this gonna beat you?
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Are you gonna allow this to be victorious over you, or are you gonna be victorious over this difficult situation?
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And they're like, God, who am I?
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Who do I wanna be?
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That's right.
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And now create yourself.
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They'll tell the story the rest of their lives of what they managed to overcome, because it it wasn't a trivial thing.
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The weather, the conditions, the um the snakes, the venomous snakes they came across.
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So push through.
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Serious stuff.
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Very cool.
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It'll it'll travel with them for the rest of their lives because it's a serious situation.
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That's right.
