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Is School Fun? Yeah, language
ARS is fun because I'm creative and I
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can write stories. Math and code
is fun because I work my mind and
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I get to work with teammates.
Do you think you can learn when you're
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playing games? It depends. Some
math games are educational. Different Games work
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your different ways, I think,
but some games I don't learn that much
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more than how to beat the game
in the easiest way. You are listening
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to raising problem solvers, a podcast
for parents looking to discover the best educational
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opportunities for their k through twelve students, whether they're crafting the entire experience themselves
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or looking to pointedly fill in the
gaps. Let's dive in. I'm Aracles
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and with art of problem solving.
I have two kids and the pandemic open
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my eyes to a world of educational
resources for them I wasn't aware of before.
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So now I'm curious for what else
is out there, what other families
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are doing, what other schools are
doing. So on this show I interview
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parents, educators and stem leaders to
help my family as we craft an educational
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plan that's right for us, and
I hope our journey unlocks new ideas for
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your family too. This is raising
them solvers, and today's episode is on
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game schooling. I would argue that
playing games with your children is more important
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during the teen years then it is
even in the early years, because they
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are going to pull away from you. It's developmentally appropriate. But I find
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and and this goes back to before
I was a mom and I was working
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as a school psychologist, I used
to play games with my students all the
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time, especially in my middle schools, schoolers and high schoolers, because there's
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something magic about being engaged in something
with your hands and avoiding eye contact that
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a child or teen will speak more
about things that are bothering them. On
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today's episode, Kate Curly, school
psychologist and founder of never board learning,
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joins the podcast to talk a little
wortle, her belief that almost all of
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school can be fun and Games and
the academic power of gamification. To kick
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us off, can you give us
a high level overview on play based learning,
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Aka game schooling? Sure so.
Playbas learning is a type of learning
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that is essential for child development and
I think that a lot of us know
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that. However, the research has
shown that not only does play benefit the
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whole child, meaning the physical,
cognitive, social emotional development, but it
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doesn't end at a certain point.
There's no play developmental window. So it's
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good for a teenager ers and it's
also good for big kids like us.
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And game schooling is something that I
especially adore and passionate about because, while
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I value all forms of play as
a homeschool parent and an educator, using
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board games feels safer and something that's
easier to make count for. You know,
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those those year end evaluations and whatnot. Then say, you know,
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right now it's sixty five in New
Hampshire and my kids are playing in the
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mud. So that's valuable to but
how do you count that in an academic
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start of way? So I'm I'm
a huge advocate for game schooling when people
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want to add more playbass learning into
their day, but maybe they're a little
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nervous about it because of all the
other things they are juggling, all the
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other balls and academic skills that they'd
like to cover. I think help me
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in that camp and I've heard you
mentioned how you believe school can be almost
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all fun and games. Give us
some examples of what a game heavy curriculum
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looks like and where the exceptions might
lie. Sure so game schooling varies by
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family. There are families who are
very unschoolery and they may play games exclusively
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and not great about recording any of
it. They just trust the process.
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There are people who homeschool once a
day, once a week, once a
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month. Some people do six weeks
on, see six weeks off. Our
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family aims to play at least one
time a day off and more than that.
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But the what I mean when I
say homeschooling can be almost all fund
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and Games is that when you are
playfully learning and joyfully learning, those facts
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and the information the conversations you have
in the play that you're having together sticks
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more than it would otherwise. So
I always share the example of a couple
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of years ago. My boys are
really into memoir forty four, which is
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a World War Two game, and
they were obsessed and they played it all
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the time. They still do actually, but they know more about World War
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Two now, and this was a
few years ago now, but they're thirteen
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and ten. Then I knew in
high school and I was a good student
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and it's just because that was that
sweet spot and they will sit down and
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talk to my fatherin law at length
and he just loves it so much,
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and it's because they were interested in
it when it was presented to them.
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Yeah, you've teased this a couple
times now, this concept of they're learning
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more about World War Two than I
did. You also mentioned this concept of
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people who like game schooling like board
games because it feels realer, it feels
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like a more authentic way to learn. Let's talk about assessment. How do
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we know if students are actually learning
transferable skills or if they're simply learning how
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to win a game, if they're
learning game theory? So, for myself,
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I thought about this recently because someone
asked me if I think wortle is
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actually educational and I immediately defended of
course it is. beels educational. I
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think feels like I'm probably learning language
skills, probably learning vocabulary. I'll be
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at five letter Max words. But
am I or am I just learning how
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to beat wortle? How do you
separate Game Theory Learning, which is valuable
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in itself, from broader transferable skills? Sure, so, you're definitely learning
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both. But I will say we
are a word of family also and the
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conversations that happen. So sure you're
learning. You know the probability of what
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letters are. You know, your
first word is so important and what learn
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letters work well together and you are
focusing on five letter words. So it's
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not this huge vocabulary that you're gaining. However, the conversations we've had about
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it, I know recently they had
ultra as a word, and is that
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even a word? There was some
controversy there. So we had a whole
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conversation about that. And then one
day it was null, which is not
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a word that my younger too had
even heard of before, and we had
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a whole conversation about regional use of
language and how some words go in and
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out of Vogue and where you might
have heard it might have been like,
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you know, I think Lord of
the Rings's what my oldest said. He
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remembered reading it, and so,
I mean, there's a lot of learning
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that goes beyond the trying to figure
out that perfect five letter combination. Yeah,
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JFK, Grassy Knoll. Is that
the anecdote that I gave for my
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daughter as well? Okay, so
you mentioned this about how it's for little
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kids. It's for big kids like
us. Maybe I buy into the concept
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that, all right, Games Kate's
clever here. Games are a good way
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to trick the little ones into learning
when they're young. But Kay, they're
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older. Now time to get serious. What age should we stop with all
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the fun and Games and get into
serious, serious learning? I love this
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question because they so many of people
worry when your kids reach middle school high
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school, because the our culture just
put so much pressure on the academics and
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you know, trying to get from
point eight to might be I would argue
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that playing games with your children is
more important during the teen years then it
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is even in the early years,
because they are going to pull away from
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you. It's develop mentally appropriate.
But I find and and this goes back
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to before I was a mom and
I was working as a school psychologist,
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I used to play games with my
students all the time, especially in my
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middle schools, schoolers and high schoolers, because there's something magic about being engaged
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in something with your hands and avoiding
eye contact that a child or teen will
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speak more about things that are bothering
them and you are also building a connection.
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So even if they're in the awkward
team stage, I have one right
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now. I know how it is. You are making this connection. My
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son and I have been playing scrabble
nonstop since Christmas. And you know,
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even when he's, you know,
Moody about who knows what's going on,
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we still can sit down and play
and I think that's hugely important and something
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that's often overlooked because our society is
so, you know, hell bent on
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the academics and getting this good scores
and whatnot. But really, and and
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in that they're also learning, and
I know that it's hard to trust that
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process. It's a long game,
much like homeschooling, much like many alternate
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forms of education. But once you've
been doing it for a while you see
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countless examples of how your children have
learned skills. So scrabble with your son
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since Christmas. It is funny if
you told me you've been playing scrabble with
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your son since Christmas or you told
me you've been playing call of duty every
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night with your son since Christmas,
one sounds better than the other, but
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but is it? Well, you
know if from a now, I'm not
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a video Gamer, although I support
all forms of games. We just may
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that's a whole other story. My
son was afraid of television for a series
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of years, which it's not something
that's common, but so we're late to
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the screen game over here, but
you're still connecting. So and there are
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tons of educational video games on the
market right now. In my community people
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are always sharing and I hope you've
heard of global to. That's not a
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video game, but that's that's another
good one. But you're connecting with your
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child and your you are taking an
interest in what they are interested in.
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So it might not be something that
you would love, but you are showing
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them that their interests are valuable and
important and that's huge. Do you think
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that? You mentioned you try to
work in at least one game of day
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into your schedule. That has some
flex in it. Can game schooling work
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in a traditional classroom or is it
only for, or easiest for at home
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learning families? I think it is
easier for families who are homeschooling only because
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of the time factor. When I
worked in schools there are definitely and actually
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I can recall for my own education
and having teachers who were game have now,
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right now, with the focus on
testing and especially now during the pandemic
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where there's so much focus on learning
loss, I think these things get cast
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aside, but there are teachers who
are incredibly creative. They are using games
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daily and play daily Gamification of the
classroom. There's so much cool stuff out
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there right now and actually probably the
biggest users of games in the school system
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are the support staffs, so the
speech and language therapist, the school psychologist,
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the occupational therapists. So they are
great people to talk to. You
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to if you are an educator and
you're looking to work a little bit more
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play into your traditional school day.
You name dropped a couple of games that
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you like already. Let's talk about
game inventory. Maybe give us a handful
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if we're new to the game school
and concept and we want to fill our
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closet with some board games to have
in our collections, and maybe your suggestions
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for I know you document your games
by the learning skills and subjects covered in
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them. Give us a handful of
recommendations for starting off our our collection?
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Sure so, because it's so unique. A lot of people think of get
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board games, they think back to
their own childhood and you may think of
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monopoly, and sorry, and you
may or may not have strong feelings about
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that, but the gaming world is
like the book world and there are so
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many different genres. So I would
first and foremost, encourage families to try
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games before they buy them, that
you can visit libraries, game cafes,
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friends things like that before even bast
because they can be really expensive. But
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some very basic, easy, fun
to play games that have high learning value.
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Yacht see it, we often refer
to as an old lady game because
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we always we always play with elderly
relatives. But there is kids love shaking
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that cop and there is a ton
of math in that. CRIBBAGE same thing.
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SCRABBLE, I already mentioned. Upwards
is language arts with a little bit
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of flexible thinking. Banana Grahams is
a similar type of game, but it's
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not as expensive. I I like
to look for games that are going to
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last your family for a number of
years and not just this age that the
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kids are at. It's hard when
you have teeny tiny's, but as the
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kids get elementary age and beyond,
you want something that you're going to invest
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in that is going to be worth
its value. So and depending on what
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you like, there are lots of
choices. They're another good language arts games
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for littles is word on the street
or word on the street junior. That's
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another fun one. It's really hard
for me to pick favorites because I'm a
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little big game obsessed. There's so
many choices. But as far as inventoring
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and recording, if you you can
go on the board game stats APP if
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you're a real statistician, so much
more than just what games you have played,
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but Ashley streaks and scores and winning
and your inventory and everything. There's
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also a free APP called seesaw the
classroom teachers use. That's great for recording,
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or you could just do a pencil
and paper log and inventory, which
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is something I did for years over
here. Love the shortlist of recommendations.
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Finally, Kate leave us with some
next step to advice for parents listening looking
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to figure out how to add some
play into their students school day. Where
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should they start? Sure so the
first thing I would say is that to
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either read or read Stewart Brown's book
or watch his Ted Talk, which is
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one of the most viewed Ted talks
of all time, and it will change
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your feelings on play, no matter
what they are. And the second thing
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that I would say is that you
don't need a huge closet in order to
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add more play to your game,
to your homeschool day or your academic day.
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You can get a deck of cards
or two decks of cards and you
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can head to the bicycle website.
They also have a free APP called the
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how to play APP and you can
filter at the top of the screen by
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number of players, ages of players, things like that, and you could
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be playing card games and not repeat
them for a very long time and actually
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there's a lot of nostalgia there and
you'll discover something that you forgot about.
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All the rules are there there.
It's it's very straightforward and a lot of
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fun and it's not going to cost
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rapid fire segment called problem solved,
where we asked the guests to solve incredibly
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complex and difficult educational issues with single
sound bites. Kate, what is one
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thing about k twelve education you wish
you could snap your fingers and problem solved?
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It's fixed in equity because, while
every child is entitled to a free,
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inappropriate education, we all know that
it varies by Zip code and I
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think that's appalling. If you could
go back and give your kids self advice
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on their educational journey, what would
it be? I would say to remain
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curious and not worry so much about
what you're going to be, because I
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laugh about it now. I don't
regret being it's so psychologist. But what
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I'm doing now, Daytoday, podcast, saying, having a website, having
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a membership, those things, what
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for the rest of my life.
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great assessment test. I was excited
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that very fun. I think I
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in my head that you could golf
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twenty years of into the career.
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learning right there. Exactly what part
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the most different ten years from now? Higher Ed, I think that it's
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ridiculous again that you're sending an eighteen
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much debt over a job that they
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very long. So I really hope
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and realistic for teens and early twenties. And finally, what's your best advice
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for parents looking to raise future problem
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about the world around you, ask
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fail, and have as much fun
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you're teaching your child how to pursue
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we want. That's the end game, no matter what type of education you're
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so much for joining us today.
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Kate Fun Really Helpful in really convicting
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on making sure we're getting this stem
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great reminder that I really need to
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we're having fun together. It's so
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So how can we sneak more play
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have a few new ideas and a
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you do too, and may you
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That's AO PSCOM podcast.
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Is School Fun? Yeah, language
ARS is fun because I'm creative and I
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can write stories. Math and code
is fun because I work my mind and
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I get to work with teammates.
Do you think you can learn when you're
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playing games? It depends. Some
math games are educational. Different Games work
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your different ways, I think,
but some games I don't learn that much
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more than how to beat the game
in the easiest way. You are listening
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to raising problem solvers, a podcast
for parents looking to discover the best educational
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opportunities for their k through twelve students, whether they're crafting the entire experience themselves
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or looking to pointedly fill in the
gaps. Let's dive in. I'm Aracles
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and with art of problem solving.
I have two kids and the pandemic open
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my eyes to a world of educational
resources for them I wasn't aware of before.
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So now I'm curious for what else
is out there, what other families
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are doing, what other schools are
doing. So on this show I interview
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parents, educators and stem leaders to
help my family as we craft an educational
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plan that's right for us, and
I hope our journey unlocks new ideas for
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your family too. This is raising
them solvers, and today's episode is on
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game schooling. I would argue that
playing games with your children is more important
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during the teen years then it is
even in the early years, because they
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are going to pull away from you. It's developmentally appropriate. But I find
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and and this goes back to before
I was a mom and I was working
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as a school psychologist, I used
to play games with my students all the
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time, especially in my middle schools, schoolers and high schoolers, because there's
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something magic about being engaged in something
with your hands and avoiding eye contact that
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a child or teen will speak more
about things that are bothering them. On
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today's episode, Kate Curly, school
psychologist and founder of never board learning,
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joins the podcast to talk a little
wortle, her belief that almost all of
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school can be fun and Games and
the academic power of gamification. To kick
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us off, can you give us
a high level overview on play based learning,
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Aka game schooling? Sure so.
Playbas learning is a type of learning
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that is essential for child development and
I think that a lot of us know
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that. However, the research has
shown that not only does play benefit the
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whole child, meaning the physical,
cognitive, social emotional development, but it
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doesn't end at a certain point.
There's no play developmental window. So it's
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good for a teenager ers and it's
also good for big kids like us.
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And game schooling is something that I
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I value all forms of play as
a homeschool parent and an educator, using
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board games feels safer and something that's
easier to make count for. You know,
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those those year end evaluations and whatnot. Then say, you know,
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right now it's sixty five in New
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mud. So that's valuable to but
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start of way? So I'm I'm
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want to add more playbass learning into
their day, but maybe they're a little
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nervous about it because of all the
other things they are juggling, all the
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other balls and academic skills that they'd
like to cover. I think help me
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in that camp and I've heard you
mentioned how you believe school can be almost
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all fun and games. Give us
some examples of what a game heavy curriculum
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looks like and where the exceptions might
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family. There are families who are
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and not great about recording any of
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There are people who homeschool once a
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month. Some people do six weeks
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family aims to play at least one
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and Games is that when you are
playfully learning and joyfully learning, those facts
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and the information the conversations you have
in the play that you're having together sticks
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more than it would otherwise. So
I always share the example of a couple
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of years ago. My boys are
really into memoir forty four, which is
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a World War Two game, and
they were obsessed and they played it all
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the time. They still do actually, but they know more about World War
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Two now, and this was a
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and ten. Then I knew in
high school and I was a good student
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and it's just because that was that
sweet spot and they will sit down and
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talk to my fatherin law at length
and he just loves it so much,
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and it's because they were interested in
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more about World War Two than I
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people who like game schooling like board
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like a more authentic way to learn. Let's talk about assessment. How do
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we know if students are actually learning
transferable skills or if they're simply learning how
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to win a game, if they're
learning game theory? So, for myself,
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I thought about this recently because someone
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actually educational and I immediately defended of
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think feels like I'm probably learning language
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at five letter Max words. But
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to beat wortle? How do you
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in itself, from broader transferable skills? Sure, so, you're definitely learning
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both. But I will say we
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conversations that happen. So sure you're
learning. You know the probability of what
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letters are. You know, your
first word is so important and what learn
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letters work well together and you are
focusing on five letter words. So it's
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not this huge vocabulary that you're gaining. However, the conversations we've had about
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it, I know recently they had
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even a word? There was some
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conversation about that. And then one
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a word that my younger too had
even heard of before, and we had
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a whole conversation about regional use of
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out of Vogue and where you might
have heard it might have been like,
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you know, I think Lord of
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remembered reading it, and so,
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that goes beyond the trying to figure
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JFK, Grassy Knoll. Is that
the anecdote that I gave for my
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daughter as well? Okay, so
you mentioned this about how it's for little
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kids. It's for big kids like
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that, all right, Games Kate's
clever here. Games are a good way
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to trick the little ones into learning
when they're young. But Kay, they're
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older. Now time to get serious. What age should we stop with all
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the fun and Games and get into
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question because they so many of people
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school, because the our culture just
put so much pressure on the academics and
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you know, trying to get from
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that playing games with your children is
more important during the teen years then it
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is even in the early years,
because they are going to pull away from
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you. It's develop mentally appropriate.
But I find and and this goes back
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to before I was a mom and
I was working as a school psychologist,
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I used to play games with my
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middle schools, schoolers and high schoolers, because there's something magic about being engaged
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in something with your hands and avoiding
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speak more about things that are bothering
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So even if they're in the awkward
team stage, I have one right
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now. I know how it is. You are making this connection. My
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son and I have been playing scrabble
nonstop since Christmas. And you know,
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even when he's, you know,
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we still can sit down and play
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that's often overlooked because our society is
so, you know, hell bent on
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the academics and getting this good scores
and whatnot. But really, and and
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in that they're also learning, and
I know that it's hard to trust that
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process. It's a long game,
much like homeschooling, much like many alternate
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forms of education. But once you've
been doing it for a while you see
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countless examples of how your children have
learned skills. So scrabble with your son
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since Christmas. It is funny if
you told me you've been playing scrabble with
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your son since Christmas or you told
me you've been playing call of duty every
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night with your son since Christmas,
one sounds better than the other, but
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but is it? Well, you
know if from a now, I'm not
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a video Gamer, although I support
all forms of games. We just may
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that's a whole other story. My
son was afraid of television for a series
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of years, which it's not something
that's common, but so we're late to
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the screen game over here, but
you're still connecting. So and there are
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tons of educational video games on the
market right now. In my community people
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are always sharing and I hope you've
heard of global to. That's not a
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video game, but that's that's another
good one. But you're connecting with your
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child and your you are taking an
interest in what they are interested in.
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So it might not be something that
you would love, but you are showing
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them that their interests are valuable and
important and that's huge. Do you think
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that? You mentioned you try to
work in at least one game of day
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into your schedule. That has some
flex in it. Can game schooling work
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in a traditional classroom or is it
only for, or easiest for at home
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learning families? I think it is
easier for families who are homeschooling only because
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of the time factor. When I
worked in schools there are definitely and actually
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I can recall for my own education
and having teachers who were game have now,
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right now, with the focus on
testing and especially now during the pandemic
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where there's so much focus on learning
loss, I think these things get cast
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aside, but there are teachers who
are incredibly creative. They are using games
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daily and play daily Gamification of the
classroom. There's so much cool stuff out
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there right now and actually probably the
biggest users of games in the school system
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are the support staffs, so the
speech and language therapist, the school psychologist,
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the occupational therapists. So they are
great people to talk to. You
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to if you are an educator and
you're looking to work a little bit more
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play into your traditional school day.
You name dropped a couple of games that
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you like already. Let's talk about
game inventory. Maybe give us a handful
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if we're new to the game school
and concept and we want to fill our
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closet with some board games to have
in our collections, and maybe your suggestions
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for I know you document your games
by the learning skills and subjects covered in
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them. Give us a handful of
recommendations for starting off our our collection?
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Sure so, because it's so unique. A lot of people think of get
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board games, they think back to
their own childhood and you may think of
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monopoly, and sorry, and you
may or may not have strong feelings about
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that, but the gaming world is
like the book world and there are so
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many different genres. So I would
first and foremost, encourage families to try
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games before they buy them, that
you can visit libraries, game cafes,
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friends things like that before even bast
because they can be really expensive. But
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some very basic, easy, fun
to play games that have high learning value.
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Yacht see it, we often refer
to as an old lady game because
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we always we always play with elderly
relatives. But there is kids love shaking
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that cop and there is a ton
of math in that. CRIBBAGE same thing.
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SCRABBLE, I already mentioned. Upwards
is language arts with a little bit
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of flexible thinking. Banana Grahams is
a similar type of game, but it's
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not as expensive. I I like
to look for games that are going to
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last your family for a number of
years and not just this age that the
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kids are at. It's hard when
you have teeny tiny's, but as the
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kids get elementary age and beyond,
you want something that you're going to invest
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in that is going to be worth
its value. So and depending on what
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you like, there are lots of
choices. They're another good language arts games
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for littles is word on the street
or word on the street junior. That's
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another fun one. It's really hard
for me to pick favorites because I'm a
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little big game obsessed. There's so
many choices. But as far as inventoring
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and recording, if you you can
go on the board game stats APP if
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you're a real statistician, so much
more than just what games you have played,
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but Ashley streaks and scores and winning
and your inventory and everything. There's
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also a free APP called seesaw the
classroom teachers use. That's great for recording,
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or you could just do a pencil
and paper log and inventory, which
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is something I did for years over
here. Love the shortlist of recommendations.
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Finally, Kate leave us with some
next step to advice for parents listening looking
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to figure out how to add some
play into their students school day. Where
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should they start? Sure so the
first thing I would say is that to
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either read or read Stewart Brown's book
or watch his Ted Talk, which is
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one of the most viewed Ted talks
of all time, and it will change
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your feelings on play, no matter
what they are. And the second thing
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that I would say is that you
don't need a huge closet in order to
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add more play to your game,
to your homeschool day or your academic day.
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You can get a deck of cards
or two decks of cards and you
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can head to the bicycle website.
They also have a free APP called the
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how to play APP and you can
filter at the top of the screen by
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number of players, ages of players, things like that, and you could
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be playing card games and not repeat
them for a very long time and actually
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there's a lot of nostalgia there and
you'll discover something that you forgot about.
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All the rules are there there.
It's it's very straightforward and a lot of
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fun and it's not going to cost
you a lot at all. Something else
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rapid fire segment called problem solved,
where we asked the guests to solve incredibly
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complex and difficult educational issues with single
sound bites. Kate, what is one
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thing about k twelve education you wish
you could snap your fingers and problem solved?
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It's fixed in equity because, while
every child is entitled to a free,
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inappropriate education, we all know that
it varies by Zip code and I
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think that's appalling. If you could
go back and give your kids self advice
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on their educational journey, what would
it be? I would say to remain
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curious and not worry so much about
what you're going to be, because I
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laugh about it now. I don't
regret being it's so psychologist. But what
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I'm doing now, Daytoday, podcast, saying, having a website, having
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a membership, those things, what
even what we're doing right now didn't even
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exist when I was trying to figure
out at eighteen what I wanted to be
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for the rest of my life.
I think forest ranger was with my seventh
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great assessment test. I was excited
about that one. To land that way,
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that very fun. I think I
chose marketing because I think I had
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in my head that you could golf
during your job's marker. Hasn't happened once
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twenty years of into the career.
That's a shame. That's the play base
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learning right there. Exactly what part
of education do you think or hope looks
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the most different ten years from now? Higher Ed, I think that it's
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ridiculous again that you're sending an eighteen
year old off to spend or incur so
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much debt over a job that they
may or may not love or do for
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very long. So I really hope
that bubble bursts so that it's more accessible
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and realistic for teens and early twenties. And finally, what's your best advice
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for parents looking to raise future problem
solvers? I would say just be curious
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about the world around you, ask
questions, take time to answer the questions
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and pursue your own interests, even
if you fail, if especially if you
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fail, and have as much fun
or since a humor doing it, because
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you're teaching your child how to pursue
curiosity and lifelong learning, and that's what
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we want. That's the end game, no matter what type of education you're
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doing right now. And listeners,
we'd love to hear your answers. As
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well. So email us at podcast
at aopscom with your best advice for raising
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future problem solvers and we'll read our
favorites on future episodes. Kate, thanks
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so much for joining us today.
Thanks so much for having me. Isn't
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Kate Fun Really Helpful in really convicting
for me as someone who probably over indexes
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on making sure we're getting this stem
fields in for my daughter, but a
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great reminder that I really need to
make sure she's having fun and make sure
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we're having fun together. It's so
important to make all the other stuff work.
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So how can we sneak more play
into our students school day? I
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have a few new ideas and a
few new games to buy and I hope
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you do too, and may you
continue your journey alongside US raising the great
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problem solvers of the next generation.
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