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Welcome back to Pop Take, your hot take on music, pop culture, and life.
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I'm Michael Mello.
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I'm Hugo Philippe.
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And we're back.
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Did you miss us?
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Weeks of being away.
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We missed it.
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Didn't know.
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It was like Kim Kardashian quote.
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I don't think you got one.
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Oh, I didn't know.
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You none of that?
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Okay.
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I don't know.
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We live on two of the things.
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Is that like from the show?
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It's like a viral meme.
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It's like, yeah, it's like from the show.
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I got it, I got it.
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But it's like on the trailer.
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Anyways, we clearly live on two different sides of the internet.
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I'm sorry.
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We live on different sides of the internet.
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We do.
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Very new music today.
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Yeah, and we have a very exciting guest as well.
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Our good friend Harrison Brown from Heat of Rivalry is here to chat with us about all things hockey, Heat of Rivalry, his book.
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But we also have a lot of music to talk about.
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Yeah.
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I want to jump into an EP that came out today, actually.
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Um, Carmeet, that people will know from the Puscat Dolls.
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Pussycat Dolls, yeah.
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She dropped an album and okay, you listened to it.
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I did listen to it.
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What were your thoughts as someone?
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Because the Pusscat Dolls for me, like that was my fifth harmony.
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Yeah.
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So I'm very in tune with Carmeet and like And I was very in tune with Fifth Harmony, but I was like, Pussycat dolls was like a little inkling of like I was actually more of a girlish boy.
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Okay.
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That's valid.
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Because we are very different in age.
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Uh I also watched.
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Did you actually watch the show?
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I did watch the show.
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Okay, great.
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Nick Knack Chris Tiff.
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Let's go do some stupid shit.
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Like I was in there.
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I was in there.
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Um, but yeah, Carmeet's album I quite like.
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I'm actually curious if you can guess the two songs I like the most.
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Okay.
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Um, I feel like you maybe like Fierce.
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Okay, I did like that, but that's not my top two.
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Okay.
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Um I'll just tell you.
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Okay, my okay.
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My favorite is Cream.
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Cream is so good.
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Cream is the track.
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I haven't like it, kind of is like the tongue in cheek lyrics of sex.
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I'm surprised that you like cream.
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I love cream.
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So if you are a Kermit stan, I'm not saying I am or I am not, but you can you can find out from this information.
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Uh Cream's like, I think it came out in like 2010.
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Okay.
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Because when she um, like because she was in the first uh Puscat Dolls album, then she was not in the second, but uh she dropped like was doing like like little droplets, like collaborations and stuff like that.
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So she dropped cream back then.
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Um so like this album is like there's some older tracks that she's like kind of like reimagined a little bit, like remastered and stuff.
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Um and then there's new songs, but cream was like an OG, like ahead of the pulse.
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Even Fierce.
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Fierce was also from back then, which is like crazy because like I feel like it's kind of like there's a little bit of it that you hear now a lot of in like I don't want to call it drag music, but like the you know, like that world.
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And I feel like it was like kind of blueprint a little bit from that because like that was a that was like 16 years ago, guys.
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I was gonna say Carmeet's album, I think is for the girls on the gay.
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It's like yeah, but the other thing is as I was listening to it, and I'm like, yeah, this feels like pussycat doll music, like it makes sense that she came from that world.
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I quite was like, girl can sing, like it's a it's a good album.
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My favorites are cream and uh go hard, go home.
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I thought those were just my two stands.
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And that was like more rock edge, but I was impressed to the project too.
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Yeah, but yeah, I mean, we're not getting any Pussycat dolls music anytime soon, I don't think.
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So this also like scratches are like a little an itch for you.
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A little itch, yeah.
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Do you get the same thing when like Fifth Harmony Girls release stuff?
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You're like, it's something.
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Yeah, it's something.
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Like it, but then I also a little off topic, Ali Brooke dropped a song last week called Dignity, and like she ends the song with like saying, I'm worth it.
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Like because she and I'm like, babe, wait, and and then there was like this tweet where it's like she only gained like 2,000 streams the first day.
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And I definitely was at least like 30 of those strings because I will support those girls to the end of the word of books.
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Um, but I do agree where and even uh Dinah Jane also did this like in her first single, she's like uh she like referenced working from home and like like they like drop things, and I I get it as a fan because we're like teaching.
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It's like a good fan service, but like really going into it.
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Yeah, I I appreciate that.
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I get it, yeah.
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Um, your girl also dropped Olivia Rodrigo dropped the cure.
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I like it.
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That sounded like you're trying to convince.
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I think I do like it.
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And here's the let me just get this out of the way.
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Everyone's gonna come for me.
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I like the cure.
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I am just like not sad right now, so I don't think it's like hitting me yet.
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Okay.
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So I think I just need to be like a little sadder for it to hit.
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But I love the music video.
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I love the message, but I think just right now because the sun is shining and I'm in a good mood, I would I will gravitate more towards Drop Dead.
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Did you know that's what she's doing?
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Because I feel like obviously.
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So the sun was out.
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Okay.
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Um, I I really like it.
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I like it more than Drop Dead.
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Um, like this era is still not.
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I feel like for me, I always like for Olivia, an album like and seeing the whole vision together is like really what makes it.
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Like I feel like as like singles, I'm always like, I like this one, I don't like this one, but I I I actually quite like the cure.
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So yeah, I don't know if it's her best work to date.
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She said it was her favorite song she's ever written.
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Yeah.
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And I I also want to touch on she says the word unraveled, which is the name of the tour, so really and like the music video she's like unraveling and like all that stuff.
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And that's on the poster too.
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Like there's like that, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, so I do think it's I think it's like a beautiful song.
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I think I'm just like not sad, so it's not not hitting me.
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But I think I I know she's getting a lot of flack from different corners of the universe.
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I disagree.
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I think this is a fun era.
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Like, I just love it.
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Anything, like I've yet to have an Olivia Rodrigo somewhere.
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I'm like, meh.
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Like, I just think it's all good.
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Okay.
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Well, uh, my girl also dropped.
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Charlie XEX dropped her new single, Spring Summer 26.
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Did you listen to it?
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No, actually, I didn't even know it was out.
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Oh.
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I'm just kidding.
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I'm just kidding.
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Okay, anyways, I I love it.
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Uh it's like a new, it's not even a new sound for Charlie.
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If you like, do you know Sucker, like that era of Charlie?
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Yeah, it's that was like her breakthrough era.
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Yeah, but she hates like she hates sucker.
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Yeah, just like she says she hates crash.
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No, I'm like, I love crash.
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No, like she actually hates sucker.
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Uh but I feel like we're gonna get she also hates that song.
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I know she hates, but I love that.
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Um, we're gonna get like the era that she wanted.
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Like, I think what she doesn't like about it is that she feels like it's like she set out to do something and she didn't do it.
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You know what I mean?
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Like I feel like she didn't give like the punk rock album that she wanted to do.
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And I kind of feel like she's gonna do that now.
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So I'm like, I'm super excited for it.
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Yeah.
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So it music video is amazing.
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I just but wait, so then what was rock music?
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I think I don't think we're getting like a traditional album because like I think because rock music had a b side on like that b-sides Instagram account.
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I don't know if you heard it.
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I think about you every day and night or something like that.
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Um, and there's also a B side of this coming, and she's dropping like single vinyl with like the B side.
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I think that there's like a larger like vinyl album project, but I don't know if it's gonna be like a traditional album.
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I feel like she's gonna do something different.
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All right.
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I'm I'm listening I've there's always a Charlie Drought in this household because I stream it so much.
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So anytime she gives me music, I'm like I actually I love rock music.
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I'm not gonna lie.
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I actually do like rock music.
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I thought it was funny.
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Yeah, I liked it.
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So now we have a very special guest with us.
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He is a Canadian LGBTQ activist, an actor, an author, a former professional hockey player, and someone we are very lucky to call a friend.
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It's Harrison Brown.
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Hello.
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How are you doing, Harrison?
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I'm doing great.
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How are you?
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Good.
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Thanks for being on PopTech.
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We appreciate it.
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Thanks for having me.
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So, Harrison, for the people at home who don't know, do you want to walk us through how we know each other?
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Yeah, Michael and I actually were co-stars in the first movie that I ever did uh on the fringe of wild.
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Um and we shot in North Bay and we rapped two days before all the pandemic come down.
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Like we had no idea what was coming.
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Um, and yeah, he was my he was my bully.
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It was his bully.
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It was uh He's everyone's bully, okay?
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Yeah, no, I was acting.
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I might I'm your real bully.
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I was acting with him.
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I love Harrison.
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But I was gonna say one thing I will remember about Seth was like maybe like two, two, three days before we wrapped, we're all eating breakfast in the hotel, and we're just looking at the news about this pandemic thing, and we're like, oh, that's that's interesting.
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Not knowing that like Harrison and like that cast were like the last people I saw before we literally locked down for like you guys were like there for a couple weeks, right?
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Yeah, yeah.
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We shot, I think it was a two-week shoot, which is actually crazy for a feature film now that I kind of know a little bit more.
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Yeah, but yeah, it was basically like heated rivalry vibes with like shooting a six episodes in like 36 days.
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Like it's pretty it was a pretty nut shoot.
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Yeah, we're in a cottage adjacent.
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It was cold.
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It was in like a cabin, it was snowy.
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Also, like there was like I just remember because like I had like a very heavy scene, and then the next they were like, okay, now we're gonna like go party, and I had to just like be like, okay, like shake it off.
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Yeah, it was a pretty dark film.
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Yeah, pretty dark film.
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It's one of my favorites.
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Oh yeah.
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Dominion.
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Anyways, let's get to the fun start.
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So the funny thing I remember actually is I think it was like last a couple summers, maybe last summer, but like you telling me that you were doing this gay hockey TV show.
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And I remember being like, what an interesting concept! Like gay hockey players, like, I don't know if that will do.
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Written for you.
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Yeah.
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And then I remember getting the invite to the premiere, and I was like, hey, is this the gay hockey show you're on?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And you were like, Oh, yeah, yeah, like that's that's the one.
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I was like, Oh, well, I'm gonna go see it.
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And I think you were like, Oh, I'm not in the first episodes or whatever, but like, yeah, whatever.
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Yeah, not knowing it was gonna be this global phenomenon.
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No idea.
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Yeah, I was shooting something in ha in Halifax, so I missed it.
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I missed the premiere.
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Yes.
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But I was like, Well, hope it's good.
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Yeah, it was I asked you, I was like, I was like, what do you think?
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You're like, it's good.
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Yeah, it's good.
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You were excited.
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And I went with I brought Cameron, who was our other co-star on the film that we did.
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Who played my lover?
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Yes.
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And I bullied them both because we were gay.
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Yeah, because I am so homophobic.
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Yeah, this bully over here bullying people for being gay.
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But I wanted to know, like, as a former professional hockey player, getting a project like Heater Rivalry feels like so perfect for you.
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So, what was it like to get to step into that role, into that universe?
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Yeah, it was like when I got the breakdown for it and I read like it was like queer hockey players in this like fictional NHL.
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I was like, oh, I think I might have a shot.
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Like, that's you're I was like, yeah, this sounds like right up my alley, but I had a lot of imposter syndrome with hockey players.
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Like this was maybe my fourth or fifth.
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Like I had auditioned for like Shoresy and some other like Youngblood, some other Canadian um uh hockey content.
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And I'm five foot, I say I'm five foot five in my slates, but I'm actually five foot four.
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Um, but I was really like, I'm like, they're never gonna cast me.
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They're never gonna cast me as a hockey player because I don't look like a stereotypical male hockey player on screen.
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And you got the flow.
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I got the flow.
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I thought you were like six three, so thank you.
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Camera adds what, like 20 feet.
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Right, right.
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Yeah, but I I was like, well, I'm just gonna send this.
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Like, I don't think that they're gonna cast me because I'm this short.
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Um, and uh it sounds like a really cool project, and I hope that I get something out of it.
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Um, but fast forward, yeah, they cast me, and it's the first time that I felt like my size doesn't matter here, and like the only thing that matters is what I bring to the story.
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And the way that the fans really uh gravitated to me being like this person's like LGBTQ plus hockey presence in history, and uh the way that I was received, I was like, I absolutely belong here, and like my stature and all that thing, all that stuff.
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I didn't have uh imposter syndrome the second I stepped on that set.
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And I'm gonna say my biggest pet peeves is I didn't get to see you on the ice, I want to see you on the ice because I actually, as long as I've known you, I've never seen you on skates.
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Oh yeah, it's actually crazy.
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Yeah, and I was like, I want to see either actually.
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So but you have more reason to, but that's the thing though.
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Like lots of people in my life haven't seen me skate.
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Like my partner has seen me skate maybe once or twice, but it just recently happened because all my friends and all the people in my fam, my my circle now are not the hockey players.
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But fingers crossed wearing a hockey jersey.
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I'm like, we're literally here for the hockey.
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We love hockey.
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Yeah, yeah.
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They don't even skate at all, actually, guys.
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I can't skate.
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Um, I'm I'm assuming you can't say much, but I was curious.
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Like, do we know whether or not Connors will return for season two?
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Do you know if there's if if you do return, like what would you hope comes from your character that we didn't get to see in season one?
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Well, mum's the word exactly.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That's totally fair.
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What would you want for your character hypothetically?
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I think I would love.
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Um, have you read the books?
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Yes.
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Some of them on camera.
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I haven't read like all of them.
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I'm just getting to like like book three now.
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So like I'm assuming they're gonna introduce more other books than other love storylines, but I haven't read them all.
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He's read the one that was season one of Heated Rivalry, that's the one that he's read.
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Yeah, yeah.
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That's fine.
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That's fine.
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But I've I've read the long game that is what's the season two inspired by, and that's when we get to see Shane and Ilya come out.
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Yeah.
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We get to see what the repercussions are for them being visible, them being who they are.
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I mean, I would love if Connors was a was a really sweet ally.
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I think that would be really, really cute, if maybe he was some sort of confidant.
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Yeah.
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Um, could you imagine your characters like absolutely not?
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Like, honestly, though, it's either he's a really big confidant or he's a big homophobe.
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I think either one would be really fun.
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I mean, I would love to see you guys have experienced this before, actually.
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If you need tips on how to be homophobic, I I have lots of experience.
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I mean, Connors really loves the ladies, like he loves going out to the clerb, and maybe he's like, I can't imagine somebody wanting to be with a dude.
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Like, maybe he'd be a maybe he'd be a bro.
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Who knows?
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Okay, well, I'm excited to see hypothetically what could happen there.
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Um, he did a rivalries everywhere.
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It its impact is so huge.
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What was the moment for you where you're like, whoa, like this is really picking up?
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Oh, I mean, gosh.
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It's been I'm like thinking the exact moment.
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Everything happened so fast.
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It felt like that.
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It was like overnight.
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Yeah.
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And it's like, it's like they're on Jimmy Kimmel.
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They're they're doing they're doing the M, the what, the, what's the M's?
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Yeah, the other thing.
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They're doing the Golden Globe.
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Yeah.
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Oh, yeah, sorry.
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It was the Golden Glow.
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Sorry.
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I do think like, so I was actually shooting in Halifax at the when it when it was premiered.
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Um, and I was in Halifax when my episode came out.
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So I was uh I had a lot of days off in between my shoots.
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So I was really on my phone quite a bit, and I was like, oh, I wonder how people are going to receive me in this episode, and I wanted to watch it, and like just to see the way that it blew up, I think there was a them article on me that was talking about like there's like a real LGBTQ plus Easter egg in the show, and then and then my followers started to really ramp up.
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Like I had 9,000 followers before uh the show aired, and like like right when the episode went off, like I went, I've I reached, I got the K beside my numbers, and I'm at like 50,000, which is insane to think about that.
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Thank you.
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But I think it was seeing just the people flock to my account as a as a side character that had three scenes.
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I think that's it.
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Like, I think the audience for this show has like gone in deep dive.
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Yes every single character, and like I think that's how you start to like get this massive, like that's how you know the show is insane.
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Because for me, I remember like I was scrolling Twitter and someone like there was a viral Twitter thread of Harrison, and I texted to you.
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And I was like, bro, like this is like like people are obsessed with you, like it's crazy.
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And it was like so beautiful to see because I was like, you know, I was like, I've seen this man through a lot of things, and it's just like cute to see you get your flowers, which is really nice.
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It really was you like actually sending me all this stuff and you like going to the premiere saying that you thought it was good, and then you sent me the articles and the threads from from Twitter or X or whatever the hell it's called, whatever you want to call it.
00:16:07.120 --> 00:16:12.399
But yeah, it was yeah, the side characters getting getting absolutely eaten alive by the fans.
00:16:12.639 --> 00:16:13.440
Yeah, yeah.
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So you've gotten to attend a lot of events with the Heat of Rivalry cast.
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Um I'm kind of curious, like, is there a cast group chat?
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Is there any funny behind the scene moments that you've all shared while you're doing all these like press tours and things like that that where you're just like, this is a really good group?
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Yeah, there's not a group chat that I am part of.
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Right.
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Um, but I I think it really just goes down to to Jacob, like really um making sure that the cast is is celebrated and like making space for us.
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Like he brought me to New York to go to the the center gala, uh where I met Rachel Reed for the first time.
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Like he gave me that opportunity, like he brought me there, which I'm just like that's amazing for somebody to do that again for like a character with a with a small role.
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Um just for season one, just for season two.
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Because maybe season two, there's gonna be a little more.
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Mumslord.
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But uh uh yeah, no, but I know Nadine.
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Um uh we've been friends, like we've all in the same circle.
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Um, but I met like a couple of the other actors like Cal Porter, um Slavik uh at the actor awards, and everybody is just so lovely.
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I think we're all just like really grateful for this show, and like I think everybody's really proud of it, and we're all proud of each other through it.
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So you can feel the support like tangentially, like, and like Hudson like tweet retweeted something that or not retweeted, but he reposted something that I did and like followed me on something, and I'm just like that's that's nice.
00:17:44.559 --> 00:17:45.279
Yeah, this is nice.
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And you guys are all living through this like weird shared experience of like I understand if you're like a lead character, you're like there's some idea that like this might blow up and you might get more stuff from it, but like all of these like side characters are also experiencing this, I feel like is an insane thing to experience.
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So at least you guys have different people that you can like talk to and like go through that.
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Yeah, and like Nadine and Robbie, we did like a lift campaign and stuff, and like I was able to talk to them about like their their agents and like how are they handling this, how are they navigating like this new side of like magazines and this new side of of of endorsements and collaborations, and everybody's like and Cassenia.
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I met Cassenia at the World Wildlife uh Fund walk at C and Tower, and it was just like fun.
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Yeah, and and it's just we're all just really excited by it, and it's uh yeah, it's really, really lovely.
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It's a good time.
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I also we need to acknowledge like you're clearly breaking barriers as a trans actor.
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Uh, has there been an outpour of people messaging you and like stories?
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Like, is there a moment where you just really sat with that and were like, wow, like I'm really doing something here?
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Yeah, it's it's actually been on par, maybe actually even more.
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Um, like I came out when I played in the the National Women's Hockey League.
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I came out through an ESPN article in 2016, and that's when kind of the media storm kind of followed me.
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That was my first taste of it.
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And I had lots of people reaching out being like, seeing you be a trans athlete like actually helped me stay in my sport and things like that.
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Now I'm getting um people being like, You've inspired me to take acting classes, you've inspired me to be an actor, and to see my identity as an athlete and actor kind of shift and like also helping trans actors and trans athletes.
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It's it's really cool to see that and be like that representation.
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Because like if I would have saw, if I would have seen a trans actor in a show like Heated Rivalry that had that much of a reach, had that much of a buzz, I would it would have really been comforting for me to see that.
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And I'm just like thinking in real time that I'm able to do that for people.
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So yeah, it's it's a bit surreal.
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Yeah.
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And I mean, with that, obviously this isn't this happens, but we've seen like Hudson Williams and Connor's story, like you know, people are obviously crossing boundaries and you know, on their personal life and things like that.
00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:12.799
Have you also experienced because you do a lot of activism, but have you experienced any of sort of I don't want to say the dark side of this, but the negativity as well that's coming from this, or has it been mostly positive?
00:20:13.359 --> 00:20:14.559
It's been mostly positive.
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Um I think um maybe that that X thread that you sent me or something, like there was there were people that were like, I can't believe that a trans person now we have to have like this gender stuff when it should be only for gay men.
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Like there was that kind of thing, and like this somebody was like uh posted a picture of me like pre-transition, and they're like, This is for gay men, not whatever the F this is, and like pointed to that stuff.
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Um, but honestly, that was just like a little bit at the beginning, and sure, maybe there's some sprinkling here and there, but for the most part, the fandom has been really amazing, and like the messages that I've received on Instagram have been so heartwarming.
00:20:51.519 --> 00:20:59.680
And the people that I've actually met in real life, like I I was able to meet people in real life after hockey games and stuff and to talk with them and things like that.
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Uh, but now people are showing up to events um and I'm able to uh converse with them and everybody is really lovely.
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I haven't had uh somebody be too too aggressive for either anything.
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That's great.
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Because like I like I hate that this is my thought process, but whenever something like I you know have trans friends, and whenever something great happens, I'm always in the back of my head being like, who's gonna ruin this?
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You know what I mean?
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Because it it does happen, and I'm glad that that hasn't happened because yeah, great.
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Um you wrote a book, and I want to talk about that real quick.
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It's called Let Us Play.
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Um, and I remember like what like I rushed to indigo to find it, and I was like, And I was like, look, I got your book.
00:21:41.839 --> 00:21:43.519
Uh it was a little expensive, but I did it.
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I'm just gonna it was it was fairly price.
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Okay, but now uh paperback is paperback is coming out in like three days.
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Comes out on the May 28th.
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May 26.
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Uh well, maybe I should wait it.
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Well, actually, it's probably double the value now that you're on each of rivalry, so I got a good.
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I do, I do.
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I gotta get it signed actually, Mr.
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Um.
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But I wanted to know you got to work with your sister on it.
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I know you that you had been working on that book for so long.
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Um, what was that process like?
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And I can only assume and hope that like heated rivalry has brought so much attention to your book as well.
00:22:15.440 --> 00:22:15.759
Yeah.
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And first of all, thank you for opening your wallet and supporting your friends.
00:22:19.519 --> 00:22:20.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Hard covers are expensive.
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I was like, oh.
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So I was like little detective.
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I went to the indigo computer, I'm like Harrison Brown, author, did it okay, this section.
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It was good.
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And did you take some and put it in front of all the other ones?
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I yeah, I remember I sent him a thought.
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I was like, look at that, look at that.
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Yeah.
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I was I was an OG fan.
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That's what you have to do, yeah.
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Just to make up for bullying him in the movie.
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But yeah, it was a really amazing process.
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Like um, my sister and I, we weren't like really close, but her name's Rachel Brown, and she's an award-winning investigative journalist, like an extremely talented powerhouse writer that I could not have done any of this without her, like a 70,000-word book, like by myself.
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I don't even know 70,000 words.
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So I'm really happy to have her behind this book.
00:23:06.079 --> 00:23:11.839
Um, when I came out in hockey, uh, she was a really big support system for me.
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She was a support system before, um, but her knowing the media, her being a journalist, she was I was able to really lean on her uh through that whole process.
00:23:20.079 --> 00:23:30.480
And she actually um encouraged me to come out of retirement and play a play another year because she was like, This this reach that you're having, you're not done, spreading as much awareness as you can.
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And I actually came back and played another season, and I'm really glad that I did, um, because I was able to reach more people.
00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:43.920
And um, so then when it came to writing this book, I initially was going to decline it.
00:23:44.079 --> 00:23:48.319
And my sister was like, No, you have this really great opportunity.
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I will help you with this.
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And that's why I was like, Okay, if I have a support system, I can absolutely do this.
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So she's the reason why it's why it's here.
00:23:58.000 --> 00:23:58.240
Wow.
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And uh yeah, her being a fierce ally for me with like my immediate family and things like that, like it really showed me how much she cares about this community.
00:24:06.400 --> 00:24:09.839
And doing these interviews with her, we researched for like two years.
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We traveled to Dallas, we spoke to trans kids, we talked to their families because they're the ones that are like affected most by this.
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And like one of the families that we talked to literally had to have a GoFundMe to help them get out of Dallas and move somewhere else because it's not safe for their kid anymore.
00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:35.200
So it was really special to share that with her and to see the care that she had for these people that we were talking to and these stories that we're telling.
00:24:35.519 --> 00:24:42.240
Um, but I'm super proud of it, and Heated Rivalries actually helped our book sales like since since it came out.
00:24:42.319 --> 00:24:45.519
Um, and also we're having an event with Rachel Reed on June 2nd.
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We sold out in hours where every person, every person that bought a ticket bought a book.
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So we sold over 200 books in like a couple hours.
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And like I've had a couple more events like in in New York, in LA, um, at the Ripped Bodice shout out.
00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:04.480
Um, but more than half of the people in the crowd were like, I found you through heated rivalry.
00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:12.079
And now I'm able to equip heated rivalry fans with a textbook on how to talk about trans inclusion and how to be an ally.
00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:17.680
So that to me is like actually one of the most impactful things that heated rivalry has brought to me.
00:25:17.839 --> 00:25:18.240
That's crazy.
00:25:18.319 --> 00:25:20.000
I never thought of that, but that makes so much sense.
00:25:20.079 --> 00:25:21.200
Yeah, that's great.
00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:22.400
We're so proud of you.
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I think this will be our last question, but you know, we've known you for like six years now.
00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:29.200
Um so much has happened.
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No, I know.
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Girl, I know, trust me, yeah.
00:25:32.960 --> 00:25:37.279
But I wanted to know what do you envision for yourself in the next six years?
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Because what goals do you hope to like achieve?
00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:43.839
Like, what's on the vision board for Harrison Brown for the future?
00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:52.640
Well, I think the most immediate one is um, so my I have a short film Pink Light that that premiered at uh at TIFF last year.
00:25:52.880 --> 00:25:53.599
It's really good.
00:25:53.759 --> 00:25:54.799
Yeah, thank you, thank you.
00:25:55.039 --> 00:25:58.079
And uh we got a telefilm grant to uh develop the feature.
00:25:58.559 --> 00:25:58.720
Really?
00:25:59.599 --> 00:26:00.240
Yeah, interesting.
00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:00.720
Thank you.
00:26:01.119 --> 00:26:11.119
So yeah, we're I'm working with my my partner, my real life partner, Nicolette uh and Macaulay, um my other producing partner, and we're on like draft 15 of this goddamn script.
00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:11.599
Oh my god.
00:26:11.839 --> 00:26:12.880
Will it be the same cast?
00:26:13.680 --> 00:26:15.599
No, well again, everybody's getting older.
00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:18.240
We're all like that happens, yeah.
00:26:19.279 --> 00:26:19.599
True.
00:26:20.160 --> 00:26:31.519
I'm like, well, yeah, because uh CJ Jackson, the person that plays the younger version of me, was like 26 when we shot it, and then like making a movie takes like years, so like I can't have a 29-year-old be like 16.
00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:36.079
I mean, they did it on Glee, so you get away with it, yeah.
00:26:36.319 --> 00:26:43.920
But I I really want to get that made, and it centers around more around a trans man playing on a women's college hockey team.
00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:49.440
And when hockey's having such a big moment right now, um, we're people are like, where's the sapphic version?
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And like, how can we celebrate hockey when people are talking about heated rivalry and they're having a hard time being like, I can't be a hockey fan when this culture is like this.
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Right.
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But I'm like, I can be a hockey fan because of this culture and the PWHL and women's hockey.
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And I think the the LGBTQ plus representation and the breaking down of like femininity, masculinity, and women's hockey was such a special place for me to feel myself.
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It was the first space that I was able to come out as Harrison, and I really want to celebrate that community while also highlighting like the underbelly of elite sports and really get into like toxic coaching, hierarchy, and things like that.
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So it's a movie that I'm really excited to make to show.
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Um yeah, but it might will it take six years?
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I think I think what do I want in six years?
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I think just more to create as much trans representation as I can.
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Whether that's like making making a TV show, I really want to make this movie, and if there's some sort of accolades that come with it, amazing.
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Um, but I just want to keep telling more stories because we need more representation because the world needs more empathy, and I think storytelling is the best way to do it.
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Beautifully put.
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Well, Harrison, thank you so much for being on Pop Take.
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We really appreciate it.
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Be sure to follow Harrison at is it just Harrison Brown?
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H.
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Brown with an E on the end, 24.
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24.
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Thank you so much.
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Thank you.
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You know, I have a quick beef.
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Actually, I want to talk about Miss Ariana Grande.
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Um, and actually, you know what, Fifth Harmony too.
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They they live in this world.
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Um, they and you know what, Camille Cabello, which it was a part of Fifth Harmony, but I am sick and tired.
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Uh, this is my hot take of the week.
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So, Fifth Harmony, Ariana Grande, Camille Cabello, if you're listening to this, I'm mad at you.
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Don't you dare perform a song on tour that you're not gonna put on streaming services.
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What the hell?
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Camille Cabello has performed Scar Tissues so many times, never got on a streaming service.
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Ariana Grande performed pink champagne a whole damn tour, and we didn't get it.
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And then I was like, she's definitely gonna give it to us at the 10-year anniversary mark.
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No, still didn't give it to us.
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And then Fifth Harmony did Big Bad Wolf, and it's like a Japanese exclusive track, and they performed it all across North America.
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I feel like there was an era of like concerts where like this was the thing because everyone, like Lady Gaga has a bunch of these as well.
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Like from 2014 to 2018.
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Yeah, like Lady Gaga has this, Lana Del Ray has this, she like performed Zero Killer, never released it.
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Um, I don't know why people do this.
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I genuinely am not a fan because like you're like just you have to cover the song, like get it cleared, figure it out, yeah, get the streams, like the fans want it.
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Like and then I have to illegally download it.
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So, like, what the heck?
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Hot take of the week.
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It's not even a hot take.
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It is a hot take, but it's like a good take.
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Yeah, um, I've I feel like I've already had too many hot takes, so I'm gonna take a minute from hot take.
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Yeah, we've been hot taking a lot, but we've been hot taking a hate me by the time this is done.
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So um, we'll just leave you guys with that.
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Thank you for watching.
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Thank you so much, Harrison, for being on the episode this week.
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And we'll be back next week, you know, with our usual shenanigans.
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But in the meantime, find us wherever you find us.
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And uh we'll see you next week.
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Bye.
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Welcome back to Pop Take, your hot take on music, pop culture, and life.
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I'm Michael Mello.
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I'm Hugo Philippe.
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And we're back.
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Did you miss us?
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Weeks of being away.
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We missed it.
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Didn't know.
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It was like Kim Kardashian quote.
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I don't think you got one.
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Oh, I didn't know.
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You none of that?
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Okay.
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I don't know.
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We live on two of the things.
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Is that like from the show?
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It's like a viral meme.
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It's like, yeah, it's like from the show.
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I got it, I got it.
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But it's like on the trailer.
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Anyways, we clearly live on two different sides of the internet.
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I'm sorry.
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We live on different sides of the internet.
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We do.
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Very new music today.
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Yeah, and we have a very exciting guest as well.
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Our good friend Harrison Brown from Heat of Rivalry is here to chat with us about all things hockey, Heat of Rivalry, his book.
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But we also have a lot of music to talk about.
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Yeah.
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I want to jump into an EP that came out today, actually.
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Um, Carmeet, that people will know from the Puscat Dolls.
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Pussycat Dolls, yeah.
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She dropped an album and okay, you listened to it.
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I did listen to it.
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What were your thoughts as someone?
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Because the Pusscat Dolls for me, like that was my fifth harmony.
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Yeah.
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So I'm very in tune with Carmeet and like And I was very in tune with Fifth Harmony, but I was like, Pussycat dolls was like a little inkling of like I was actually more of a girlish boy.
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Okay.
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That's valid.
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Because we are very different in age.
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Uh I also watched.
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Did you actually watch the show?
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I did watch the show.
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Okay, great.
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Nick Knack Chris Tiff.
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Let's go do some stupid shit.
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Like I was in there.
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I was in there.
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Um, but yeah, Carmeet's album I quite like.
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I'm actually curious if you can guess the two songs I like the most.
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Okay.
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Um, I feel like you maybe like Fierce.
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Okay, I did like that, but that's not my top two.
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Okay.
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Um I'll just tell you.
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Okay, my okay.
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My favorite is Cream.
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Cream is so good.
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Cream is the track.
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I haven't like it, kind of is like the tongue in cheek lyrics of sex.
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I'm surprised that you like cream.
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I love cream.
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So if you are a Kermit stan, I'm not saying I am or I am not, but you can you can find out from this information.
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Uh Cream's like, I think it came out in like 2010.
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Okay.
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Because when she um, like because she was in the first uh Puscat Dolls album, then she was not in the second, but uh she dropped like was doing like like little droplets, like collaborations and stuff like that.
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So she dropped cream back then.
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Um so like this album is like there's some older tracks that she's like kind of like reimagined a little bit, like remastered and stuff.
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Um and then there's new songs, but cream was like an OG, like ahead of the pulse.
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Even Fierce.
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Fierce was also from back then, which is like crazy because like I feel like it's kind of like there's a little bit of it that you hear now a lot of in like I don't want to call it drag music, but like the you know, like that world.
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And I feel like it was like kind of blueprint a little bit from that because like that was a that was like 16 years ago, guys.
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I was gonna say Carmeet's album, I think is for the girls on the gay.
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It's like yeah, but the other thing is as I was listening to it, and I'm like, yeah, this feels like pussycat doll music, like it makes sense that she came from that world.
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I quite was like, girl can sing, like it's a it's a good album.
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My favorites are cream and uh go hard, go home.
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I thought those were just my two stands.
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And that was like more rock edge, but I was impressed to the project too.
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Yeah, but yeah, I mean, we're not getting any Pussycat dolls music anytime soon, I don't think.
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So this also like scratches are like a little an itch for you.
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A little itch, yeah.
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Do you get the same thing when like Fifth Harmony Girls release stuff?
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You're like, it's something.
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Yeah, it's something.
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Like it, but then I also a little off topic, Ali Brooke dropped a song last week called Dignity, and like she ends the song with like saying, I'm worth it.
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Like because she and I'm like, babe, wait, and and then there was like this tweet where it's like she only gained like 2,000 streams the first day.
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And I definitely was at least like 30 of those strings because I will support those girls to the end of the word of books.
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Um, but I do agree where and even uh Dinah Jane also did this like in her first single, she's like uh she like referenced working from home and like like they like drop things, and I I get it as a fan because we're like teaching.
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It's like a good fan service, but like really going into it.
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Yeah, I I appreciate that.
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I get it, yeah.
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Um, your girl also dropped Olivia Rodrigo dropped the cure.
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I like it.
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That sounded like you're trying to convince.
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I think I do like it.
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And here's the let me just get this out of the way.
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Everyone's gonna come for me.
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I like the cure.
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I am just like not sad right now, so I don't think it's like hitting me yet.
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Okay.
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So I think I just need to be like a little sadder for it to hit.
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But I love the music video.
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I love the message, but I think just right now because the sun is shining and I'm in a good mood, I would I will gravitate more towards Drop Dead.
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Did you know that's what she's doing?
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Because I feel like obviously.
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So the sun was out.
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Okay.
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Um, I I really like it.
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I like it more than Drop Dead.
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Um, like this era is still not.
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I feel like for me, I always like for Olivia, an album like and seeing the whole vision together is like really what makes it.
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Like I feel like as like singles, I'm always like, I like this one, I don't like this one, but I I I actually quite like the cure.
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So yeah, I don't know if it's her best work to date.
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She said it was her favorite song she's ever written.
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Yeah.
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And I I also want to touch on she says the word unraveled, which is the name of the tour, so really and like the music video she's like unraveling and like all that stuff.
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And that's on the poster too.
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Like there's like that, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, so I do think it's I think it's like a beautiful song.
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I think I'm just like not sad, so it's not not hitting me.
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But I think I I know she's getting a lot of flack from different corners of the universe.
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I disagree.
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I think this is a fun era.
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Like, I just love it.
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Anything, like I've yet to have an Olivia Rodrigo somewhere.
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I'm like, meh.
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Like, I just think it's all good.
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Okay.
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Well, uh, my girl also dropped.
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Charlie XEX dropped her new single, Spring Summer 26.
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Did you listen to it?
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No, actually, I didn't even know it was out.
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Oh.
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I'm just kidding.
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I'm just kidding.
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Okay, anyways, I I love it.
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Uh it's like a new, it's not even a new sound for Charlie.
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If you like, do you know Sucker, like that era of Charlie?
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Yeah, it's that was like her breakthrough era.
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Yeah, but she hates like she hates sucker.
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Yeah, just like she says she hates crash.
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No, I'm like, I love crash.
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No, like she actually hates sucker.
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Uh but I feel like we're gonna get she also hates that song.
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I know she hates, but I love that.
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Um, we're gonna get like the era that she wanted.
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Like, I think what she doesn't like about it is that she feels like it's like she set out to do something and she didn't do it.
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You know what I mean?
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Like I feel like she didn't give like the punk rock album that she wanted to do.
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And I kind of feel like she's gonna do that now.
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So I'm like, I'm super excited for it.
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Yeah.
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So it music video is amazing.
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I just but wait, so then what was rock music?
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I think I don't think we're getting like a traditional album because like I think because rock music had a b side on like that b-sides Instagram account.
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I don't know if you heard it.
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I think about you every day and night or something like that.
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Um, and there's also a B side of this coming, and she's dropping like single vinyl with like the B side.
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I think that there's like a larger like vinyl album project, but I don't know if it's gonna be like a traditional album.
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I feel like she's gonna do something different.
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All right.
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I'm I'm listening I've there's always a Charlie Drought in this household because I stream it so much.
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So anytime she gives me music, I'm like I actually I love rock music.
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I'm not gonna lie.
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I actually do like rock music.
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I thought it was funny.
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Yeah, I liked it.
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So now we have a very special guest with us.
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He is a Canadian LGBTQ activist, an actor, an author, a former professional hockey player, and someone we are very lucky to call a friend.
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It's Harrison Brown.
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Hello.
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How are you doing, Harrison?
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I'm doing great.
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How are you?
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Good.
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Thanks for being on PopTech.
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We appreciate it.
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Thanks for having me.
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So, Harrison, for the people at home who don't know, do you want to walk us through how we know each other?
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Yeah, Michael and I actually were co-stars in the first movie that I ever did uh on the fringe of wild.
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Um and we shot in North Bay and we rapped two days before all the pandemic come down.
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Like we had no idea what was coming.
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Um, and yeah, he was my he was my bully.
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It was his bully.
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It was uh He's everyone's bully, okay?
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Yeah, no, I was acting.
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I might I'm your real bully.
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I was acting with him.
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I love Harrison.
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But I was gonna say one thing I will remember about Seth was like maybe like two, two, three days before we wrapped, we're all eating breakfast in the hotel, and we're just looking at the news about this pandemic thing, and we're like, oh, that's that's interesting.
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Not knowing that like Harrison and like that cast were like the last people I saw before we literally locked down for like you guys were like there for a couple weeks, right?
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Yeah, yeah.
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We shot, I think it was a two-week shoot, which is actually crazy for a feature film now that I kind of know a little bit more.
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Yeah, but yeah, it was basically like heated rivalry vibes with like shooting a six episodes in like 36 days.
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Like it's pretty it was a pretty nut shoot.
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Yeah, we're in a cottage adjacent.
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It was cold.
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It was in like a cabin, it was snowy.
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Also, like there was like I just remember because like I had like a very heavy scene, and then the next they were like, okay, now we're gonna like go party, and I had to just like be like, okay, like shake it off.
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Yeah, it was a pretty dark film.
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Yeah, pretty dark film.
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It's one of my favorites.
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Oh yeah.
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Dominion.
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Anyways, let's get to the fun start.
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So the funny thing I remember actually is I think it was like last a couple summers, maybe last summer, but like you telling me that you were doing this gay hockey TV show.
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And I remember being like, what an interesting concept! Like gay hockey players, like, I don't know if that will do.
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Written for you.
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Yeah.
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And then I remember getting the invite to the premiere, and I was like, hey, is this the gay hockey show you're on?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And you were like, Oh, yeah, yeah, like that's that's the one.
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I was like, Oh, well, I'm gonna go see it.
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And I think you were like, Oh, I'm not in the first episodes or whatever, but like, yeah, whatever.
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Yeah, not knowing it was gonna be this global phenomenon.
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No idea.
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Yeah, I was shooting something in ha in Halifax, so I missed it.
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I missed the premiere.
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Yes.
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But I was like, Well, hope it's good.
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Yeah, it was I asked you, I was like, I was like, what do you think?
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You're like, it's good.
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Yeah, it's good.
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You were excited.
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And I went with I brought Cameron, who was our other co-star on the film that we did.
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Who played my lover?
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Yes.
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And I bullied them both because we were gay.
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Yeah, because I am so homophobic.
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Yeah, this bully over here bullying people for being gay.
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But I wanted to know, like, as a former professional hockey player, getting a project like Heater Rivalry feels like so perfect for you.
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So, what was it like to get to step into that role, into that universe?
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Yeah, it was like when I got the breakdown for it and I read like it was like queer hockey players in this like fictional NHL.
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I was like, oh, I think I might have a shot.
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Like, that's you're I was like, yeah, this sounds like right up my alley, but I had a lot of imposter syndrome with hockey players.
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Like this was maybe my fourth or fifth.
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Like I had auditioned for like Shoresy and some other like Youngblood, some other Canadian um uh hockey content.
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And I'm five foot, I say I'm five foot five in my slates, but I'm actually five foot four.
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Um, but I was really like, I'm like, they're never gonna cast me.
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They're never gonna cast me as a hockey player because I don't look like a stereotypical male hockey player on screen.
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And you got the flow.
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I got the flow.
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I thought you were like six three, so thank you.
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Camera adds what, like 20 feet.
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Right, right.
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Yeah, but I I was like, well, I'm just gonna send this.
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Like, I don't think that they're gonna cast me because I'm this short.
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Um, and uh it sounds like a really cool project, and I hope that I get something out of it.
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Um, but fast forward, yeah, they cast me, and it's the first time that I felt like my size doesn't matter here, and like the only thing that matters is what I bring to the story.
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And the way that the fans really uh gravitated to me being like this person's like LGBTQ plus hockey presence in history, and uh the way that I was received, I was like, I absolutely belong here, and like my stature and all that thing, all that stuff.
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I didn't have uh imposter syndrome the second I stepped on that set.
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And I'm gonna say my biggest pet peeves is I didn't get to see you on the ice, I want to see you on the ice because I actually, as long as I've known you, I've never seen you on skates.
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Oh yeah, it's actually crazy.
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Yeah, and I was like, I want to see either actually.
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So but you have more reason to, but that's the thing though.
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Like lots of people in my life haven't seen me skate.
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Like my partner has seen me skate maybe once or twice, but it just recently happened because all my friends and all the people in my fam, my my circle now are not the hockey players.
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But fingers crossed wearing a hockey jersey.
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I'm like, we're literally here for the hockey.
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We love hockey.
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Yeah, yeah.
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They don't even skate at all, actually, guys.
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I can't skate.
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Um, I'm I'm assuming you can't say much, but I was curious.
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Like, do we know whether or not Connors will return for season two?
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Do you know if there's if if you do return, like what would you hope comes from your character that we didn't get to see in season one?
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Well, mum's the word exactly.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That's totally fair.
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What would you want for your character hypothetically?
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I think I would love.
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Um, have you read the books?
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Yes.
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Some of them on camera.
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I haven't read like all of them.
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I'm just getting to like like book three now.
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So like I'm assuming they're gonna introduce more other books than other love storylines, but I haven't read them all.
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He's read the one that was season one of Heated Rivalry, that's the one that he's read.
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Yeah, yeah.
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That's fine.
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That's fine.
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But I've I've read the long game that is what's the season two inspired by, and that's when we get to see Shane and Ilya come out.
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Yeah.
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We get to see what the repercussions are for them being visible, them being who they are.
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I mean, I would love if Connors was a was a really sweet ally.
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I think that would be really, really cute, if maybe he was some sort of confidant.
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Yeah.
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Um, could you imagine your characters like absolutely not?
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Like, honestly, though, it's either he's a really big confidant or he's a big homophobe.
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I think either one would be really fun.
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I mean, I would love to see you guys have experienced this before, actually.
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If you need tips on how to be homophobic, I I have lots of experience.
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I mean, Connors really loves the ladies, like he loves going out to the clerb, and maybe he's like, I can't imagine somebody wanting to be with a dude.
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Like, maybe he'd be a maybe he'd be a bro.
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Who knows?
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Okay, well, I'm excited to see hypothetically what could happen there.
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Um, he did a rivalries everywhere.
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It its impact is so huge.
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What was the moment for you where you're like, whoa, like this is really picking up?
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Oh, I mean, gosh.
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It's been I'm like thinking the exact moment.
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Everything happened so fast.
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It felt like that.
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It was like overnight.
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Yeah.
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And it's like, it's like they're on Jimmy Kimmel.
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They're they're doing they're doing the M, the what, the, what's the M's?
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Yeah, the other thing.
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They're doing the Golden Globe.
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Yeah.
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Oh, yeah, sorry.
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It was the Golden Glow.
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Sorry.
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I do think like, so I was actually shooting in Halifax at the when it when it was premiered.
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Um, and I was in Halifax when my episode came out.
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So I was uh I had a lot of days off in between my shoots.
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So I was really on my phone quite a bit, and I was like, oh, I wonder how people are going to receive me in this episode, and I wanted to watch it, and like just to see the way that it blew up, I think there was a them article on me that was talking about like there's like a real LGBTQ plus Easter egg in the show, and then and then my followers started to really ramp up.
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Like I had 9,000 followers before uh the show aired, and like like right when the episode went off, like I went, I've I reached, I got the K beside my numbers, and I'm at like 50,000, which is insane to think about that.
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Thank you.
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But I think it was seeing just the people flock to my account as a as a side character that had three scenes.
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I think that's it.
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Like, I think the audience for this show has like gone in deep dive.
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Yes every single character, and like I think that's how you start to like get this massive, like that's how you know the show is insane.
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Because for me, I remember like I was scrolling Twitter and someone like there was a viral Twitter thread of Harrison, and I texted to you.
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And I was like, bro, like this is like like people are obsessed with you, like it's crazy.
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And it was like so beautiful to see because I was like, you know, I was like, I've seen this man through a lot of things, and it's just like cute to see you get your flowers, which is really nice.
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It really was you like actually sending me all this stuff and you like going to the premiere saying that you thought it was good, and then you sent me the articles and the threads from from Twitter or X or whatever the hell it's called, whatever you want to call it.
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But yeah, it was yeah, the side characters getting getting absolutely eaten alive by the fans.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So you've gotten to attend a lot of events with the Heat of Rivalry cast.
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Um I'm kind of curious, like, is there a cast group chat?
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Is there any funny behind the scene moments that you've all shared while you're doing all these like press tours and things like that that where you're just like, this is a really good group?
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Yeah, there's not a group chat that I am part of.
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Right.
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Um, but I I think it really just goes down to to Jacob, like really um making sure that the cast is is celebrated and like making space for us.
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Like he brought me to New York to go to the the center gala, uh where I met Rachel Reed for the first time.
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Like he gave me that opportunity, like he brought me there, which I'm just like that's amazing for somebody to do that again for like a character with a with a small role.
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Um just for season one, just for season two.
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Because maybe season two, there's gonna be a little more.
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Mumslord.
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But uh uh yeah, no, but I know Nadine.
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Um uh we've been friends, like we've all in the same circle.
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Um, but I met like a couple of the other actors like Cal Porter, um Slavik uh at the actor awards, and everybody is just so lovely.
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I think we're all just like really grateful for this show, and like I think everybody's really proud of it, and we're all proud of each other through it.
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So you can feel the support like tangentially, like, and like Hudson like tweet retweeted something that or not retweeted, but he reposted something that I did and like followed me on something, and I'm just like that's that's nice.
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Yeah, this is nice.
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And you guys are all living through this like weird shared experience of like I understand if you're like a lead character, you're like there's some idea that like this might blow up and you might get more stuff from it, but like all of these like side characters are also experiencing this, I feel like is an insane thing to experience.
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So at least you guys have different people that you can like talk to and like go through that.
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Yeah, and like Nadine and Robbie, we did like a lift campaign and stuff, and like I was able to talk to them about like their their agents and like how are they handling this, how are they navigating like this new side of like magazines and this new side of of of endorsements and collaborations, and everybody's like and Cassenia.
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I met Cassenia at the World Wildlife uh Fund walk at C and Tower, and it was just like fun.
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Yeah, and and it's just we're all just really excited by it, and it's uh yeah, it's really, really lovely.
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It's a good time.
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I also we need to acknowledge like you're clearly breaking barriers as a trans actor.
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Uh, has there been an outpour of people messaging you and like stories?
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Like, is there a moment where you just really sat with that and were like, wow, like I'm really doing something here?
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Yeah, it's it's actually been on par, maybe actually even more.
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Um, like I came out when I played in the the National Women's Hockey League.
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I came out through an ESPN article in 2016, and that's when kind of the media storm kind of followed me.
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That was my first taste of it.
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And I had lots of people reaching out being like, seeing you be a trans athlete like actually helped me stay in my sport and things like that.
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Now I'm getting um people being like, You've inspired me to take acting classes, you've inspired me to be an actor, and to see my identity as an athlete and actor kind of shift and like also helping trans actors and trans athletes.
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It's it's really cool to see that and be like that representation.
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Because like if I would have saw, if I would have seen a trans actor in a show like Heated Rivalry that had that much of a reach, had that much of a buzz, I would it would have really been comforting for me to see that.
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And I'm just like thinking in real time that I'm able to do that for people.
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So yeah, it's it's a bit surreal.
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Yeah.
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And I mean, with that, obviously this isn't this happens, but we've seen like Hudson Williams and Connor's story, like you know, people are obviously crossing boundaries and you know, on their personal life and things like that.
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Have you also experienced because you do a lot of activism, but have you experienced any of sort of I don't want to say the dark side of this, but the negativity as well that's coming from this, or has it been mostly positive?
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It's been mostly positive.
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Um I think um maybe that that X thread that you sent me or something, like there was there were people that were like, I can't believe that a trans person now we have to have like this gender stuff when it should be only for gay men.
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Like there was that kind of thing, and like this somebody was like uh posted a picture of me like pre-transition, and they're like, This is for gay men, not whatever the F this is, and like pointed to that stuff.
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Um, but honestly, that was just like a little bit at the beginning, and sure, maybe there's some sprinkling here and there, but for the most part, the fandom has been really amazing, and like the messages that I've received on Instagram have been so heartwarming.
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And the people that I've actually met in real life, like I I was able to meet people in real life after hockey games and stuff and to talk with them and things like that.
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Uh, but now people are showing up to events um and I'm able to uh converse with them and everybody is really lovely.
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I haven't had uh somebody be too too aggressive for either anything.
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That's great.
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Because like I like I hate that this is my thought process, but whenever something like I you know have trans friends, and whenever something great happens, I'm always in the back of my head being like, who's gonna ruin this?
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You know what I mean?
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Because it it does happen, and I'm glad that that hasn't happened because yeah, great.
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Um you wrote a book, and I want to talk about that real quick.
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It's called Let Us Play.
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Um, and I remember like what like I rushed to indigo to find it, and I was like, And I was like, look, I got your book.
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Uh it was a little expensive, but I did it.
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I'm just gonna it was it was fairly price.
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Okay, but now uh paperback is paperback is coming out in like three days.
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Comes out on the May 28th.
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May 26.
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Uh well, maybe I should wait it.
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Well, actually, it's probably double the value now that you're on each of rivalry, so I got a good.
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I do, I do.
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I gotta get it signed actually, Mr.
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Um.
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But I wanted to know you got to work with your sister on it.
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I know you that you had been working on that book for so long.
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Um, what was that process like?
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And I can only assume and hope that like heated rivalry has brought so much attention to your book as well.
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Yeah.
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And first of all, thank you for opening your wallet and supporting your friends.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Hard covers are expensive.
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I was like, oh.
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So I was like little detective.
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I went to the indigo computer, I'm like Harrison Brown, author, did it okay, this section.
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It was good.
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And did you take some and put it in front of all the other ones?
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I yeah, I remember I sent him a thought.
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I was like, look at that, look at that.
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Yeah.
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I was I was an OG fan.
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That's what you have to do, yeah.
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Just to make up for bullying him in the movie.
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But yeah, it was a really amazing process.
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Like um, my sister and I, we weren't like really close, but her name's Rachel Brown, and she's an award-winning investigative journalist, like an extremely talented powerhouse writer that I could not have done any of this without her, like a 70,000-word book, like by myself.
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I don't even know 70,000 words.
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So I'm really happy to have her behind this book.
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Um, when I came out in hockey, uh, she was a really big support system for me.
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She was a support system before, um, but her knowing the media, her being a journalist, she was I was able to really lean on her uh through that whole process.
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And she actually um encouraged me to come out of retirement and play a play another year because she was like, This this reach that you're having, you're not done, spreading as much awareness as you can.
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And I actually came back and played another season, and I'm really glad that I did, um, because I was able to reach more people.
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And um, so then when it came to writing this book, I initially was going to decline it.
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And my sister was like, No, you have this really great opportunity.
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I will help you with this.
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And that's why I was like, Okay, if I have a support system, I can absolutely do this.
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So she's the reason why it's why it's here.
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Wow.
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And uh yeah, her being a fierce ally for me with like my immediate family and things like that, like it really showed me how much she cares about this community.
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And doing these interviews with her, we researched for like two years.
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We traveled to Dallas, we spoke to trans kids, we talked to their families because they're the ones that are like affected most by this.
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And like one of the families that we talked to literally had to have a GoFundMe to help them get out of Dallas and move somewhere else because it's not safe for their kid anymore.
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So it was really special to share that with her and to see the care that she had for these people that we were talking to and these stories that we're telling.
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Um, but I'm super proud of it, and Heated Rivalries actually helped our book sales like since since it came out.
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Um, and also we're having an event with Rachel Reed on June 2nd.
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We sold out in hours where every person, every person that bought a ticket bought a book.
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So we sold over 200 books in like a couple hours.
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And like I've had a couple more events like in in New York, in LA, um, at the Ripped Bodice shout out.
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Um, but more than half of the people in the crowd were like, I found you through heated rivalry.
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And now I'm able to equip heated rivalry fans with a textbook on how to talk about trans inclusion and how to be an ally.
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So that to me is like actually one of the most impactful things that heated rivalry has brought to me.
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That's crazy.
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I never thought of that, but that makes so much sense.
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Yeah, that's great.
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We're so proud of you.
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I think this will be our last question, but you know, we've known you for like six years now.
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Um so much has happened.
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No, I know.
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Girl, I know, trust me, yeah.
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But I wanted to know what do you envision for yourself in the next six years?
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Because what goals do you hope to like achieve?
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Like, what's on the vision board for Harrison Brown for the future?
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Well, I think the most immediate one is um, so my I have a short film Pink Light that that premiered at uh at TIFF last year.
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It's really good.
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Yeah, thank you, thank you.
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And uh we got a telefilm grant to uh develop the feature.
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Really?
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Yeah, interesting.
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Thank you.
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So yeah, we're I'm working with my my partner, my real life partner, Nicolette uh and Macaulay, um my other producing partner, and we're on like draft 15 of this goddamn script.
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Oh my god.
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Will it be the same cast?
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No, well again, everybody's getting older.
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We're all like that happens, yeah.
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True.
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I'm like, well, yeah, because uh CJ Jackson, the person that plays the younger version of me, was like 26 when we shot it, and then like making a movie takes like years, so like I can't have a 29-year-old be like 16.
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I mean, they did it on Glee, so you get away with it, yeah.
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But I I really want to get that made, and it centers around more around a trans man playing on a women's college hockey team.
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And when hockey's having such a big moment right now, um, we're people are like, where's the sapphic version?
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And like, how can we celebrate hockey when people are talking about heated rivalry and they're having a hard time being like, I can't be a hockey fan when this culture is like this.
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Right.
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But I'm like, I can be a hockey fan because of this culture and the PWHL and women's hockey.
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And I think the the LGBTQ plus representation and the breaking down of like femininity, masculinity, and women's hockey was such a special place for me to feel myself.
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It was the first space that I was able to come out as Harrison, and I really want to celebrate that community while also highlighting like the underbelly of elite sports and really get into like toxic coaching, hierarchy, and things like that.
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So it's a movie that I'm really excited to make to show.
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Um yeah, but it might will it take six years?
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I think I think what do I want in six years?
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I think just more to create as much trans representation as I can.
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Whether that's like making making a TV show, I really want to make this movie, and if there's some sort of accolades that come with it, amazing.
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Um, but I just want to keep telling more stories because we need more representation because the world needs more empathy, and I think storytelling is the best way to do it.
00:27:57.680 --> 00:27:58.480
Beautifully put.
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Well, Harrison, thank you so much for being on Pop Take.
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We really appreciate it.
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Be sure to follow Harrison at is it just Harrison Brown?
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H.
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Brown with an E on the end, 24.
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24.
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Thank you so much.
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Thank you.
00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:13.920
You know, I have a quick beef.
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Actually, I want to talk about Miss Ariana Grande.
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Um, and actually, you know what, Fifth Harmony too.
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They they live in this world.
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Um, they and you know what, Camille Cabello, which it was a part of Fifth Harmony, but I am sick and tired.
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Uh, this is my hot take of the week.
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So, Fifth Harmony, Ariana Grande, Camille Cabello, if you're listening to this, I'm mad at you.
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Don't you dare perform a song on tour that you're not gonna put on streaming services.
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What the hell?
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Camille Cabello has performed Scar Tissues so many times, never got on a streaming service.
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Ariana Grande performed pink champagne a whole damn tour, and we didn't get it.
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And then I was like, she's definitely gonna give it to us at the 10-year anniversary mark.
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No, still didn't give it to us.
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And then Fifth Harmony did Big Bad Wolf, and it's like a Japanese exclusive track, and they performed it all across North America.
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I feel like there was an era of like concerts where like this was the thing because everyone, like Lady Gaga has a bunch of these as well.
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Like from 2014 to 2018.
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Yeah, like Lady Gaga has this, Lana Del Ray has this, she like performed Zero Killer, never released it.
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Um, I don't know why people do this.
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I genuinely am not a fan because like you're like just you have to cover the song, like get it cleared, figure it out, yeah, get the streams, like the fans want it.
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Like and then I have to illegally download it.
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So, like, what the heck?
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Hot take of the week.
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It's not even a hot take.
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It is a hot take, but it's like a good take.
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Yeah, um, I've I feel like I've already had too many hot takes, so I'm gonna take a minute from hot take.
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Yeah, we've been hot taking a lot, but we've been hot taking a hate me by the time this is done.
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So um, we'll just leave you guys with that.
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Thank you for watching.
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Thank you so much, Harrison, for being on the episode this week.
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And we'll be back next week, you know, with our usual shenanigans.
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But in the meantime, find us wherever you find us.
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And uh we'll see you next week.
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Bye.
