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Welcome to the Nightmare USA Podcast. Using Stephen Thrower's tome
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as our roadmap, join us, this week explored the underbelly
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of America, one regional horror film at a time. I'm
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Adam and I'm Sam, and welcome to episode zero. Who
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wanted to take an opportunity to have an introductory episode
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to tell the listeners, well, help it's listeners, I hope
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it's more than one. A little bit about ourselves and
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talk about our personal history with Nightmare USA or planning
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for making our way through the films covered in this
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massive book. And spoiler alert, it's going to take a while.
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If you include all the films in index, there's over
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four hundred films to discuss. And you've watched all those
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films already, right Sam, there are still holes.
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I have a letterbox list that I go against, and
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every time I look back, I'm like, oh my god.
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That's the joy of Nightmare USA is like there's movies
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in there, like what, how have I not seen this?
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And whether it's either that or it's like I've seen
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this and they didn't give it the proper attention that
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it deserves. That's why I love the book so much
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like I. It's a book that I never put back
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on the shelf, some constantly pulling it back off. And
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it's very large, so you can get a work out
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with it. There's a lot of things you can do
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with it. To no offense that Steven Thrower. I actually
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used it for to keep this carpet down when I
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first got this new carpet. It's very heavy, and then
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my dog tried to eat it. And like police, this
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book is very expensive and hard to get, like let's let's.
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Chill, Well, when did you first get that book?
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I had wanted it for a long time. Uh, and
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it was always like when I'd look online for it, it
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always seemed like so much.
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And uh, Bill, who I do driving a saw home
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with uh? And from Groovy Doom.
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He bought it for me for Christmas, and of course
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he brought it to the Christmas party and I didn't
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interact with anybody because I kept looking through it and
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walking around and showing it to people, like, look, there's
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a whole chapter about, uh the Black Room in it,
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which is a movie like he and I are obsessed about.
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So it's I think.
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Anyone that loves these kind of movies, whether you're just
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starting to discover a regional horror or like secotronic cinema,
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or you're really into it, whatever level you're at, there
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something in this book for you.
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And yeah, I think so. I mean I didn't get
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until I got in twenty twenty, and that's about whenever,
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whenever the pandemic hit is whenever. I really got into
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a lot of these, and a lot of it was
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thanks to like Alamo draft House going online and bringing
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the whole content there. And so I saw Centipede Horror,
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which was I mean, that's not in this book, but
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that's you know, that was one of the first CAT
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three movie.
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That I saw.
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And they showed Spookies, which I had never heard of
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at that time, but I think Godminster of Indian Flats
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was one that they showed, which is in this book,
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and like what is you know, how did I get here?
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And where do those are?
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Three movies?
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So dear to my heart, I remember, like I always
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loved Spookies on some level because it's you know, it's
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the USA Afternoon movie. That's what I always consider it
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a VHS era movie. And uh, there's a group in
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Pittsburgh that does like bad movie Bengo. I don't like
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the name of it because I don't think Spookies is
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a bad movie, but they do a thing, and then
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in between they asked trivia, and they had the Rich
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Corbin poster that's on the cover that they printed. They
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were giving it away, and of course when they started
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the trivia, I answered like the first like three questions
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and they're like, well, we'll just give you the poster.
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Please don't answer any questions, and.
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I'm like, well, some of your questions are wrong because
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I'm obsessed with Spooky's, you know, and Centipede Horror, which
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is I think when people are like, you know, when
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you see those lists online and they're like the most
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disturbing movies. No one ever has Centipede Horror. That movie
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really sometimes, like if I think about it, it just really
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grosses me out. Like it's a movie that I know
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that the special effects were just fill an actress's mouth
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with centipedece and have her throw them up, like that's
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what it.
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Was really dedicated to that role to you.
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Oh my god, it's that Inclamity of Snakes are the
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two Category three ones that I think of where it's
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like these are beyond anything you're ready for.
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I guess Cinnepede Horror looking Back Sandpeede Horry, here's a
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weird one for me to start with them.
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I start right, You're like, oh this is I want
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to get really into these movies, and let's start with
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Centipede Horror.
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I guess it was weirder is that. I'll watch it.
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It's like, yeah, I want more of this.
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I did two though, so I think that's these movies are.
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I always used to call them torture tests. And one
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of the movies in the book, Blood Sucking Freaks, we
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had it at our video store growing up and we've
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rented it. They probably thought we were like budding serial killers, right.
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My brother and I rented Bloodsucking Freaks almost daily because
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when new kids would hang out with us with our
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friend group, they had to make it through that movie
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without getting upset. And there's a lot in that movie
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to really upset people. And now as an adult watching it,
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I'm like boor at eleven, Probably I shouldn't have been
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watching this movie like it's it's rough. And also I
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had not seen Hershel Gordon Lewis before it, so I'm like, oh,
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this is as an adult, I'm like, this is just
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a Hershel Gordon Lewis or Bob Made New York. But
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as a kid, this is like the most transgressive, edge
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lord stuff I'd ever seen.
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I remember I didn't say it until the last five
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or six years, but I do remember our town, which
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is this little town in Louisiana, and they had a
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midnight showing a blood Sucking Freaks in the eighties, which
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is crazy to think about now, but and the radio
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station had a contest, you know, seventh caller gets free tickets,
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and I called I won, and they were like.
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I was probably about ten. I was like eighteen. They said,
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I'm sure, kid, what's your name?
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I gave it.
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I gave my brother's name, and I tell my brother
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was like, hey, if you want to go see this
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Blood Sucking Freaks movie, you know, pick up the tickets
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at the radio station. I think he did, and he
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didn't really talk much about it.
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I would have never been able to stop talking about
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Ralphus and all the characters in it. And I remember
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we had one kid that was definitely too young to
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see it. He was probably like a year or too
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younger than nuts. I remember he was like laying on
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crying and he's like, why did you make me watch
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this movie? This movie is so wrong, Like I'm going
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to go to get in trouble for this movie. And
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I'm like, I don't think you're gonna get in trouble.
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It's just like, yeah, it's upsetting and it's transgressive, but
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it's you know, I always feel like you got to
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go through those movies. It's not like we made them
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watch shallow or something, you know what I mean, I
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don't know. I guess that's today for the kids who
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would be a serbian movie, they're like, that's that's our
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torture test. But that and Toxic avengerw were the first
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two like splattery kind of things that were at my store.
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In my head when I think about movies today. Primetime
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Video in my hometown had that horror section with all
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the wizard video cases, and like whenever I'm said, I
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always try to conjure that up in my head of
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like walking through there and seeing what was there like
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and you know, they would hand right things on them
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like must be eighteen to rent faces and death, like what,
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it's not that bad, you know I say that I
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would be the worst parent. This is why I just
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have a dog, because I'd be like, you kids can
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watch you can watch that.
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Yeah, and I didn't have any it was weird. I'll
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tell stories. My daughter is like you had, Like the
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lines that your parents drew are so we to me
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because it didn't make any sense. Like, sure, kid, you
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can watch Friday thirteenth, but then purple Rain. No, you know,
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I don't know. You can't watch that because she jumps
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in the lake or or just just fast forward through
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the lake scene.
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Okay, Sure parents are weird about that.
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Maybe American parents are like, oh, well, violence is.
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Too much, but violence isn't too much. I mean, but nudity.
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You know, we're gonna draw the line if Yeah, and
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now it's like the weird I've told the story for
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another podcast. Like I think a lot of my movie
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watching is Rebellion because my parents first date, they want
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to see Bird with the Crystal plumage, and like they
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would continually bring this movie up as like their barometer
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of what horrible movie is. And like I remember her
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telling me once she's like this movie. They keep hearing
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the sounds of this bird and you don't know who
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the killer is. None of it makes any sense. And
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I was fascinated as a kid. I'm like, I can't
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you know this is in the era when I couldn't
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just get it. And uh then when I finally saw them,
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like this movie's genius.
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And then I thought, is.
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All my Jallo love really come from trying to go
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against my parents? Perhaps, but I know, definitely my regional
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love is. I mean, you can't grow up in Pittsburgh
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without you know, the Romero influence in your life and
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the Romero characters and the you know, the Ramero cinematic
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universe which gets you into the crazies and Marvin effects. Yeah,
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that's a great example. And the weird thing now is
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like I've actually talked to most of the crew and
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guys have worked on effects, and every time I got
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a text.
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From from Dusty Nelson thanking me for doing.
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The interview, and I'm like, dude, like, do you know
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have any idea how important that movie is to me?
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Like it's like, you know.
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I nobody in Pittsburgh knows, like the only movie in
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Pittsburgh that people are well, they made Striking Distance and
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that fan damn movie Sudden death here. Those are the
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Gone with the Wind of Pittsburgh Cinema, you know, like
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people love those. I was just at a toy show
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and they had a huge striking distance poster and I'm like,
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I kind of don't have room for that, but I
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need it.
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It's a movie that, like, if you went to a US.
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Store here, it'd be like thirty bucks if you want
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anywhere else. If you want to a US store around,
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you would be like a dollar. So you know, I
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will not claim bloodsucking Pharaohs. I won't claim that movie.
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So hate that movie.
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Pittsburgh right there in the title.
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I know it's in Lawrenceville, but which is like the
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hipster section of Pittsburgh. So it's a It's okay, we'll
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get into it when we get to it. Maybe I
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need to reevaluate it.
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That's well.
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And that's one thing that I'm hoping for with this
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podcast is I want to, you know, revisit the movies
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that I've already watched, see how they hold up. Revisit
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the movies I've seen and didn't like. Maybe I like
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them more now than I did. Then I'll look back
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at stuff maybe I saw and I don't know twenty
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eighteen or so, I watched Don't Go into the Woods
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and I hated it, couldn't it. And now I wonder
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maybe I'll like it more now because I think back
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then eighteen I was still in my you know, I'm
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a centophile. You know, I watched Berdman and Godar and
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Curosawa and I don't, you know, I'm above this this,
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and then I don't some flip, you know, switch flipped
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inside my brain, and you know it's I always say,
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like my taste devolved. Maybe yeah, And but I think
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it's just more I'm open to a lot more than
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I used to be, where I would think, well, this
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is just bad, and now it's like, well, no, no
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one sets out to make a bad movie. I don't think,
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you know, everyone everyone's trying to do their best. And
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one thing I like, especially in exploitation films, is you
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beat Ganja and hass guys, And they're like, what are
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Welcome to the Nightmare USA Podcast. Using Stephen Thrower's tome
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as our roadmap, join us, this week explored the underbelly
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of America, one regional horror film at a time. I'm
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Adam and I'm Sam, and welcome to episode zero. Who
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wanted to take an opportunity to have an introductory episode
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to tell the listeners, well, help it's listeners, I hope
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it's more than one. A little bit about ourselves and
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talk about our personal history with Nightmare USA or planning
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for making our way through the films covered in this
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massive book. And spoiler alert, it's going to take a while.
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If you include all the films in index, there's over
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four hundred films to discuss. And you've watched all those
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films already, right Sam, there are still holes.
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I have a letterbox list that I go against, and
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every time I look back, I'm like, oh my god.
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That's the joy of Nightmare USA is like there's movies
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in there, like what, how have I not seen this?
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this and they didn't give it the proper attention that
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it deserves. That's why I love the book so much
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like I. It's a book that I never put back
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on the shelf, some constantly pulling it back off. And
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it's very large, so you can get a work out
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with it. There's a lot of things you can do
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with it. To no offense that Steven Thrower. I actually
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used it for to keep this carpet down when I
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first got this new carpet. It's very heavy, and then
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my dog tried to eat it. And like police, this
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book is very expensive and hard to get, like let's let's.
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Chill, Well, when did you first get that book?
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I had wanted it for a long time. Uh, and
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it was always like when I'd look online for it, it
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always seemed like so much.
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with uh? And from Groovy Doom.
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He bought it for me for Christmas, and of course
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he brought it to the Christmas party and I didn't
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interact with anybody because I kept looking through it and
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walking around and showing it to people, like, look, there's
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a whole chapter about, uh the Black Room in it,
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which is a movie like he and I are obsessed about.
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starting to discover a regional horror or like secotronic cinema,
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or you're really into it, whatever level you're at, there
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something in this book for you.
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until I got in twenty twenty, and that's about whenever,
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whenever the pandemic hit is whenever. I really got into
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a lot of these, and a lot of it was
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thanks to like Alamo draft House going online and bringing
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the whole content there. And so I saw Centipede Horror,
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which was I mean, that's not in this book, but
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that's you know, that was one of the first CAT
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three movie.
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was one that they showed, which is in this book,
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and like what is you know, how did I get here?
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loved Spookies on some level because it's you know, it's
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the USA Afternoon movie. That's what I always consider it
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a VHS era movie. And uh, there's a group in
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Pittsburgh that does like bad movie Bengo. I don't like
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the name of it because I don't think Spookies is
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a bad movie, but they do a thing, and then
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Corbin poster that's on the cover that they printed. They
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were giving it away, and of course when they started
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the trivia, I answered like the first like three questions
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disturbing movies. No one ever has Centipede Horror. That movie
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really sometimes, like if I think about it, it just really
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grosses me out. Like it's a movie that I know
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that the special effects were just fill an actress's mouth
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what it.
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two Category three ones that I think of where it's
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weird one for me to start with them.
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I start right, You're like, oh this is I want
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to get really into these movies, and let's start with
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I guess it was weirder is that. I'll watch it.
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of the movies in the book, Blood Sucking Freaks, we
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rented it. They probably thought we were like budding serial killers, right.
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friend group, they had to make it through that movie
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without getting upset. And there's a lot in that movie
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to really upset people. And now as an adult watching it,
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watching this movie like it's it's rough. And also I
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had not seen Hershel Gordon Lewis before it, so I'm like, oh,
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this is as an adult, I'm like, this is just
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a Hershel Gordon Lewis or Bob Made New York. But
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as a kid, this is like the most transgressive, edge
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lord stuff I'd ever seen.
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or six years, but I do remember our town, which
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midnight showing a blood Sucking Freaks in the eighties, which
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is crazy to think about now, but and the radio
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station had a contest, you know, seventh caller gets free tickets,
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Blood Sucking Freaks movie, you know, pick up the tickets
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at the radio station. I think he did, and he
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Ralphus and all the characters in it. And I remember
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we had one kid that was definitely too young to
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see it. He was probably like a year or too
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younger than nuts. I remember he was like laying on
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crying and he's like, why did you make me watch
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this movie? This movie is so wrong, Like I'm going
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to go to get in trouble for this movie. And
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go through those movies. It's not like we made them
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watch shallow or something, you know what I mean, I
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don't know. I guess that's today for the kids who
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would be a serbian movie, they're like, that's that's our
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torture test. But that and Toxic avengerw were the first
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two like splattery kind of things that were at my store.
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the wizard video cases, and like whenever I'm said, I
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always try to conjure that up in my head of
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like walking through there and seeing what was there like
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like must be eighteen to rent faces and death, like what,
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it's not that bad, you know I say that I
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would be the worst parent. This is why I just
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have a dog, because I'd be like, you kids can
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watch you can watch that.
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tell stories. My daughter is like you had, Like the
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lines that your parents drew are so we to me
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because it didn't make any sense. Like, sure, kid, you
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can watch Friday thirteenth, but then purple Rain. No, you know,
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I don't know. You can't watch that because she jumps
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in the lake or or just just fast forward through
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the lake scene.
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Maybe American parents are like, oh, well, violence is.
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Too much, but violence isn't too much. I mean, but nudity.
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now it's like the weird I've told the story for
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another podcast. Like I think a lot of my movie
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watching is Rebellion because my parents first date, they want
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to see Bird with the Crystal plumage, and like they
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would continually bring this movie up as like their barometer
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of what horrible movie is. And like I remember her
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telling me once she's like this movie. They keep hearing
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the sounds of this bird and you don't know who
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the killer is. None of it makes any sense. And
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I was fascinated as a kid. I'm like, I can't
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you know this is in the era when I couldn't
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just get it. And uh then when I finally saw them,
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like this movie's genius.
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All my Jallo love really come from trying to go
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against my parents? Perhaps, but I know, definitely my regional
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love is. I mean, you can't grow up in Pittsburgh
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without you know, the Romero influence in your life and
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the Romero characters and the you know, the Ramero cinematic
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universe which gets you into the crazies and Marvin effects. Yeah,
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that's a great example. And the weird thing now is
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like I've actually talked to most of the crew and
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guys have worked on effects, and every time I got
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a text.
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From from Dusty Nelson thanking me for doing.
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The interview, and I'm like, dude, like, do you know
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have any idea how important that movie is to me?
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Like it's like, you know.
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I nobody in Pittsburgh knows, like the only movie in
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Pittsburgh that people are well, they made Striking Distance and
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that fan damn movie Sudden death here. Those are the
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Gone with the Wind of Pittsburgh Cinema, you know, like
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people love those. I was just at a toy show
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and they had a huge striking distance poster and I'm like,
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I kind of don't have room for that, but I
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need it.
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It's a movie that, like, if you went to a US.
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Store here, it'd be like thirty bucks if you want
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anywhere else. If you want to a US store around,
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you would be like a dollar. So you know, I
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will not claim bloodsucking Pharaohs. I won't claim that movie.
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So hate that movie.
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Pittsburgh right there in the title.
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I know it's in Lawrenceville, but which is like the
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hipster section of Pittsburgh. So it's a It's okay, we'll
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get into it when we get to it. Maybe I
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need to reevaluate it.
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podcast is I want to, you know, revisit the movies
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that I've already watched, see how they hold up. Revisit
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the movies I've seen and didn't like. Maybe I like
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them more now than I did. Then I'll look back
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at stuff maybe I saw and I don't know twenty
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eighteen or so, I watched Don't Go into the Woods
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and I hated it, couldn't it. And now I wonder
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maybe I'll like it more now because I think back
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then eighteen I was still in my you know, I'm
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a centophile. You know, I watched Berdman and Godar and
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Curosawa and I don't, you know, I'm above this this,
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and then I don't some flip, you know, switch flipped
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inside my brain, and you know it's I always say,
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like my taste devolved. Maybe yeah, And but I think
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it's just more I'm open to a lot more than
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I used to be, where I would think, well, this
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is just bad, and now it's like, well, no, no
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one sets out to make a bad movie. I don't think,
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you know, everyone everyone's trying to do their best. And
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one thing I like, especially in exploitation films, is you
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have these you know, you'll have Academy Award winning actors
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and actresses. You'll have you know, Rod Steiger and you'll
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have Shelley Winters, and they are I mean, they're given.
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they're you know, one hundred percent work and a lot
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of these movies, and it just really adds to it.
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get from just maybe someone they pull up the street,
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but then you get stuff whenever they do people pull
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people off the street. You get these amazing things.
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My friends get upset because, like I am like maybe
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the inverse of you where they love great films, and
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they know that I watch a lot of movies, but
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I only watch like really bad or like hard to
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find ones. And they were for like six months begging
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me to watch Centers, and I was like, guys, like,
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they're like, what other.
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Spanish horror movies do you have to watch? Like what
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other like shot on video stuff from the ag You.
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Still have a few Jeff Franco films you have not.
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Seen sixteen now.
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so that's kind of like Christmas here. And they're like,
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you're gonna watch these movies and you're not gonna watch Centers.
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beat Ganja and hass guys, And they're like, what are
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you talking about? We don't even know what that movie is,
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So yeah, so that's kind of our hope on this.
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We're going to get into some movies. And I think
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I've seen half of the films that he covers. It's
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about one hundred and fifty ish that he actually is
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either in a chapter or in capsule reviews there at
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the end. So I've seen about half of those, and
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maybe about thirty eight percent of everything if you include
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those films listed in the appendix. So I'm really looking
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forward to see it. Like there's a lot that I
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haven't seen. Like we talked about Martin, I have not
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seen it. Oh, so when we get to it, I'll
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be very excited to see it, for sure.
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I'm so excited for you for you to see it
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because it's like one of the most important movies. I
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just went past Barton this morning where his grave is, Like,
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I just drove across from Braddock and I was like,
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I would think it every morning. So I used to
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live across the river from it, and I'm like, I'm
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in Martin's world, but if he were, he real. So
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it's a movie that really speaks to me. Is someone
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that grew up here in Pittsburgh and went through the
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death of the steel mill and stuff. It's a movie.
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We'll talk about it way more. We finally get to
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this is an intro. This is not the Martin episode.
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I get it.
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So, but our the first movie we're going to cover
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is Don't Go in the House. That is prominently featured
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on the cover of My Mere USA of our boy
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Donnie in his asbestos suit with his flamethrower, and we're
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going to get into that deeply here in our first episode. Yeah,
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and so we hope that you come back and stay
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tuned and we'll be getting into Don't Go in the House.
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So join us for the first episode.
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Yeah, thank you.