"I Was Telepathically Called Outside - What I Saw Changed Everything" | James Landoli

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Really what catapulted me into this in a very serious
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way was a series of events that I had in
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two thousand and seven, which were a series of kind
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of in your face UFO experiences. And when I was
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in the accident, I came out of my body and
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I was looking down at the accident and I saw
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like an ambulance and all this. All of a sudden,
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I get what you can call a telepathic lock up right,
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and I heard a voice say come outside. As soon
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as I get past the trees, I look up and
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less than one hundred feet in the air, I see
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what looks like a hexagonal UFO. They said, who's here?
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I said, just come outside. So they come outside, they
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see these others crashed in the sky. And this whole
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thing goes on for twenty to twenty five minutes. That
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aspect of the consciousness says way more, is much more
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profound than just like, oh, there's other intelligence in the world,
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in the universe.
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Chris later, Welcome to Lato Files. Hey, welcome back to
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Lado Files. Today. I'm joined by James Landoli. He's a
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creator and host of Engaging the Phenomenon. It's a long
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running podcast and YouTube channel. That dives deep into UFOs
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non human intelligence CE five contact protocols. He's actually had
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direct personal experiences with the phenomenon, so we'll talk about
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contact consciousness and what it all might mean for humanity
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going forward. So thank you James for being here. How
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are you doing today, I'm great.
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Thanks for inviting me on. I appreciate it.
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Yeah, great to connect with a fellow UFO YouTuber. It's
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not the easiest space to create content in. But so
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what first pulled you into the UFO UEP world. Was
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there a specific moment or experience that launched you on
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this path?
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Yeah, I mean, for me, for sure was experiences. You know,
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I had experiences going back to when I was younger,
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not necessarily what I would say UFO experiences per se,
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and you know, later on down the line I realized
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though it could be connected. But really what catapulted me
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into this in a very serious way was a series
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of events that I had in two thousand and seven
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which were a series of kind of in your face
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UFO experiences. And it was at that point where this
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kind of became a mission for me to be involved
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in this work.
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So I'm sure you've talked about these before on your
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show and other podcasts. But can you give just a
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brief synopsis, I guess, or what's the most impactful event?
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Sure? You know, again, when I was younger, I had
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experiences like out of body experiences and even entity experiences,
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but at the time I didn't consider them UFO entity experiences.
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They were more like shadows, but there was a very
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high telepathic quality to it, like very directly, and that
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was kind of frightening. But because of those experiences, I
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was always interested in this kind of these kinds of
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subject matters, consciousness, metaphysics, and around the age of eighteen,
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I began meditating and practicing chigong and you know Chinese
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martial arts, that kind of thing, some of the yogas,
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And by two thousand and seven is when I had
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this kind of series of really in your face experiences.
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And you know, I'll go a quick overview because all
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the events are related, and it really is an example
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of the high strangeness quality, right because the first the
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first experience, you know, I was at work. I was
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working an overtime shift and a worker had said to me, Hey,
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did you hear about the UFOs in Mexico? And I
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didn't hear anything about it. So I thought it was
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weird that he had asked me, because he's, you know,
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our kind of conversation was, hey, how's your family, what's
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going on at work kind of thing. Nothing that you know,
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goes into UFOs or any anything weird. It's very served
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of individual. So I thought that was weird, but I
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just brushed it off, and I, you know, I went
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home and it was an overnight shift, so I went
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home and I went to sleep, and in you know,
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when I went to sleep, I had this crazy vivid dream.
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And in the dream, you know, I would wake up
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or I become aware. In this dream, and I'm driving
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down one of my old neighborhood blocks and there's a
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UFO like right above my car, and it's in a dream, right,
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and it's like this orange plasma electric pulsing craft. And
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I'm driving and I can't get away from it, and
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I'm like super reactive for whatever reason. I'm just trying
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to get away from it and I can't. I can't,
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you know, I'm driving and speeding and trying to get away,
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and eventually I can't, like after maybe two and a
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half minutes of this. In this dream. I wake up
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out of my dream, and you know, I wake up
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and it's the afternoon now, and I'm kind of collecting
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myself like that was kind of weird. But then one
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of my family members walks in the house and the
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first thing they say is, hey, did you hear about
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the UFOs in Mexico. So now now I'm like, you know,
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this is now starting to like come together, because I
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wasn't even thinking about the guy saying that and my
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dream connecting yet. That even hadn't even dawned on me
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because I just woke up. So when when they said
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that to me, I was like, you know, screw this,
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this is like some kind of weird thing, right. I
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was just like, I don't know, this didn't make sense.
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So I walk out of my house and I decided like, oh,
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I'm going to go to the Chinese place down the
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street and just like collect myself basically. And it's you know,
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it's about three point thirty in the afternoon or so
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in late spring, early summer, and I get into my
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car and I start driving, and within a few hundred
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feet of driving in a clear blue sky, I just
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see a fireball and it's stationary and it's like right
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in front of me in the sky, and I think
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in my head, like, holy shit, that's a UFO. And
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as soon as I think that, it starts moving and
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I'm like elated, right because it's obviously not any anything else, right, Like,
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it's this fireball that has like almost like a living
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quality to it. I say a fireball because it's it
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was like energetic, but it was something about it seemed
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living or organic or I don't, I don't know how
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you described it. It was like it had a quality
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like that to it. And it clearly was not any
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kind of meteor object because it was stationary. And then
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it's moving, and the most remarkable thing was that it
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responded to my thought of holy shit, that's a UFO.
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And eventually it got out of site, and yeah, I
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tried to chase it and like actually find try to
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follow it because I was fascinated, and it got out
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of my site and that was it. I was intrigued
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at that point, and I was already familiar with you know,
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UFO research and literature at that point, and I actually
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live in the Hudson Valley and there was something called
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the Hudson Valley UFO Wave in the in the mid
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and late eighties, exactly where I live could be connected
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to the nuclear facility around here Indian Point. You know,
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this is all in retrospect, but so that that happened,
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and then maybe about two months later, I ended up
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getting into a car accident actually in the in the
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same exact area. And again I didn't I didn't really
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put the two and two together until after all this happened.
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But I had gotten to a car accident in that
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exact area basically where I had seen the UFO, and
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in the car accident, I had something that I call
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a trauma induced out of body experience because it was
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not a true end near death experience, but it simulated
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like one because I got in the accident and when
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I was in the accident, I came out of my
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body and I was looking down at the accident and
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I saw like an ambulance and all this, and I
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was like a point of awareness in the sky looking
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down and I was thinking, like, holy shit, this is it, huh,
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Like I was aware and I was conscious although I
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was looking down at you know, this accident, and I
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had thought that I had passed away because I was
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conscious and out of my body, right. And you know,
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before and actually before I even became that point of
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awareness looking down at everything, I was in what you
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can consider like an alternate realm or something, I know
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how to describe it. And I was face to face
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with this light entity. And for some reason in my
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my thinking, my awareness, or I had a knowing that
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this entity was somehow related to me in some way,
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that it was like a part of me, or you know,
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something like that. That's not that's the best way I
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could describe in words. And there was this whole crystalline orchestra, right,
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and like an angelic orchestra in like the background of
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this when I'm face to face with this entity, and
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it's like what people couldnsider heavenly, right. And I again,
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I'm not I'm not particularly religious, you know. I went
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to c CD and all that, and but I would not.
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I'm not somebody who's going to church every week. But
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in that whole thing, I heard the message of you know,
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God is all there is, ever was, and ever will be,
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and so that and then and then I got to
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the point where I'm in the point of aware, and
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it's looking down at the accident. It shifted to that,
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but there was also this transitional phase where I was
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a point of consciousness and I can see the past,
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present in future simultaneously, in almost like a spherical sense,
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like a spherical nonlinear point of perception, if that makes sense.
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And uh. And it was at that point that I
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moved to being above the accident looking down. But when
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I when I was looking down at the accident and
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I thought I had passed away, I was like in
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a complete equanimity where it didn't matter, Like there was
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no regret, no remorse, no contemplation, no there was no
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like oh my god, I didn't do this, or oh
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my I'm finished, or like it was. I was totally
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cool with it, like at total ease, and I wouldn't
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say you for it, but there was a like a
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mild you four but like again, equanimity, complete, like blissful indifference.
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And then all of a sudden, I just started going
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in and boom, I'm right back to my body and
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I wake up and I'm like, oh my god, I'm alive.
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I didn't put the pieces together, I believe it or not,
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until a few years later, but the where I was
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looking down on the accident was the exact point in
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the sky where I had seen the fireball UFO. And
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again that didn't click until I was describing the story
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actually to somebody years later that I said, oh my god,
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that's actually where I saw the UFO was my advantage
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point when I was looking down and after the accident.
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But it's funny because I had the sighting first, right,
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So that I mean, and I don't even know what
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that means, like what does that imply? But so the
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day after the accident, right, I'm just like, I get
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out of the hospital. You know, I had a concussion,
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probably nothing major. Uh, that's why I call it a
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trauma and dudes out of body experience. But I was
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I was just like totally you know, grateful to be alive.
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Basically I felt physically different, right, and maybe maybe it's
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because I hit my head in the accent, I don't know,
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but like like I felt like high high vibrational right,
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like people talk about all like you you know, raise
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your vibration. Like I viscerally felt different, and I was
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just grateful to be alive, Like wow, I really could
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have just died, right, And it really made me think
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deeply on that level. So you know, I get home,
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and uh, you know, later in the evening, I'm just
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cleaning my room kind of just like wow, like I'm
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happy to be doing these menial tasks because I'm alive,
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and I have this opportunity right to even just do that,
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because you know, I'm contemplating I could have been dead easily, right,
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And all of a sudden, I get what you can
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call a telepathic lock on, right, and I heard a
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voice say come outside. But it wasn't just it wasn't
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just like an audio thing, right, Like, there was a
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there was feeling, sensations associated with it, and there was
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my eyes were open and I'm in my room, but
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there was a there was an overlay, I guess you
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can say, in my mind's eye where I saw these
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two entities, and I hate to say this because it's
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almost cliche, is that they were like white, blonde Nordic
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entities and like these tight suits, and you know, I
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felt like an extreme level of connection to them. And
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there was this whole download that came with that, which
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which I'm going to get into. But I the instant
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that I guess you could say that connection was made,
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I felt what people would consider like a like a
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Kundalini effect. There was like an electricity through my body.
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I was already feeling like the high frequency vibration thing
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after the accident, which was like a mild nausea and
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euphoria at the same time, if that makes sense. And uh,
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but this when as soon as the thought and the
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download and the connection hit me, I guess you can say,
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I'm running outside, and I already knew what was going
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to happen basically in the sense that these entities or
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these beings were here, you know, whatever you want to
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call them. So I run out side, and you know,
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there's some trees. So I have to get past the
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tree so I can look up into the sky. But
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before I can even look in the sky, I hear
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like a low hum. It's like very basy, It's like
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boom boom, and every time it pulses, I can feel
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the vibration or electricity in my body along with this
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Kundalini type effect. And this this merged consciousness with these entities, right,
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and as soon as I get past the trees, I
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look up and less than one hundred feet in the air,
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I see what looks like a hexagonal UFO in that
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it's rounded like a disc, but it has flat edges
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that are round it, and there's these lights going around them,
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and in the center where's like a perfectly square white
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light fixture. And I'm at at this point, I'm kind
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of freaking out right, and but in a positive way.
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I was elated because of the connection to these alleged entities.
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that is their action, if it's a literal form for them, right.
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You know, again, years when this is all going on,
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I'm taking everything very literally at face value. I'm thinking
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that these are extra threshoal beings that look like us,
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blonde hair, blue eyes, and what have you. But you know,
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years of thinking after, I'm not sure if this is
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like a representation or something that they used for something
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that was relatable to me. I'm not sure. But anyway,
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so I actually run down these stairs carefully and go
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into my driveway and this hexagonal craft is just floating
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above me slowly, and it has that basy hum, and
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it disappeared and then instantaneously reappeared about a thousand feet away,
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way over this man made lake across the street from
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where I lived. And you know when I say it
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disappeared and reappeared, it was instantaneous. There was it like
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from from when it disappeared to reappeared. It was instantaneous.
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dematerialized and then re materialized instantaneously. And when I saw
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it over there a thousand feet away over the man
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made lake, when it got to that point, that's when
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my attention was in that direction. And I saw it
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two other crafts like that, and again they had the
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lights going around and they looked exactly the same. And
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at this point, I'm like, like, is this actually happening
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or did I did I hit my head in the
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car accident the other day so bad that I'm just
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like hallucinating because this is like overwhelming, right, And so
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I I ran in my house and I had two
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family members there, and I said, guys, you got to
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come outside. And they said why, I said, they're here.
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They said, who's here? I said, just come outside. So
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they come outside and they see these these crafts in
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the sky and this whole thing goes on for twenty
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to twenty five minutes of these crafts just gliding the sky,
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disappearing and reappearing, the lights going around and everything, And
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in my mind, I'm thinking, like this is disclosure, right,
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Like this is going to be all over the papers,
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like for sure, this is like the moment of contact
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kind of thing. That's That's what it felt like, is
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I For some reason, I thought like everybody must know
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that this is going on right now, which I apparently
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not because it never was not in the papers or anything.
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But you know, during this whole interaction, I received what
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people call like a download, and I'm I'm I don't
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want to say I'm skeptical, but I'm I'm cautious to
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take everything literally in the sense where there's there's several
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possibilities here. You know. Number one is although this whole
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thing felt very genuine, for all, I know that it's
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some kind of non human intelligence that is telling me
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whatever I want to hear, rather than everything it's communicating
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being literal, right, it felt genuine, It felt very heartfelt.
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These entities said that they're connected to us, and they
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actually want people to know that they're here and that
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kind of thing, and it felt like that was the case.
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that somehow, or maybe it is exactly as as I
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experienced it, right, But I like to keep it open
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to say there could be error in my interpretation of
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the event in the sense where like the objects were there,
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that happened, they told me to come outside, and there
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were UFOs, right, that happened, I'm sure of. But you know,
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when it comes to experiencers and receiving messages and then
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taking those messages literally, there's always I always have questions
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because you know, everybody gets all these different messages and
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there's these different beings and you know, I don't know
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if if there's different messages and you know, are they
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just different beings or people interpreting it wrong or it's
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being filtered to our own biases, right, So I always
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come back to question if all that, like the communication
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or downloads should be taken literally at phase value or
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there's just error and interpretation. So when after that series
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of events happened is when I just was like I
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felt obligated in a sense to participate in in the
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UFO subject and with my my experience is kind of
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being my guide, right, because that's that's what I know
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for sure, and that's what I can move forward with.
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So when I was hearing about the consciousness stuff, like I,
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I to me, that's what made sense because that's what
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I had experienced. And you know, shortly after that, I
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ended up finding CE five and I really liked the
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idea of CE five. To be quite honest, I heard
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Stephen Greer talking doctor Stephen Greer, I found a disclosure project,
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and I'm like, who the hell is this freaking there's
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a you had all these military people and then there's
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just this random doctor, right, Like, what is going on
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with this doctor guy? So I looked his work up
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and I found CE five, and you know what took
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me was that the way that he, that doctor Stephen
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Grier was describing contact is exactly how I had experienced it,
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and I had not taught heard many people talk about
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contact that way as to that point. And that was
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this was about two thousand and eight too, Yeah, two
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thousand and eight that I actually found his work. But
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again the most most important for me was the idea
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of CE five because when you're describing CE five I'm like,
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oh my god, why didn't I think of that? Right, Like,
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all my experiences had this consciousness element, you know, and
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you don't have to just be a bystander. You can
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actually go out and initiate interactions if you want, you know,
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using something like CE five. So at that point I
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got very involved in the CE five community. I created
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the first CE five social networking groups, and I connected
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with and went out into the field with hundreds of
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CE five field workers over you know, the course of
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some odd years, and I was I was practicing CE
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five like for intently because you know, I wanted to
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better understand my own experiences but also participate in that
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conversation to the best of my ability. And it kind
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of matched my experience and that you know, again, these
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entities we're talking about, they wanted people to know that
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they're here and whatnot, and they're related to us and
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all that. And I thought, you know, even if I
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were to tell people this kind of thing, some people
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might believe it. Some people even if they believed it,
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like what can they really do with that? But the
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idea of CE five is, like I had the realization,
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like to have that kind of transformative quality in your
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consciousness of like what this is real? You kind of
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you know, having the experience is really what does it?
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Not reading a book or seeing a documentary, although that
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can be compelling. When you know that UFOs are real
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or non human intelligence or real matter of fact, you know,
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through direct experience, that's that has a transformative shift in
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your awareness and you know, very much akin to what
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the great late doctor John Mack called the Passport to
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the Cosmos.
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Okay, wow, man, that was that was amazing. And I
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don't like interrupting, you know when people are thinking back
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to their experience. But yeah, right away, we were talking
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before we before I hit record, and I was talking about, Yeah,
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if you do UAP investigation as a job, it's very
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difficult to lick it look into it, you know, on
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your free time as a hobby or whatever. So I said, yeah,
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and my free time I don't spend I don't spend
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a lot of time looking into UFO stuff, but I
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do look into NDEs. I have like the secret addiction,
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you know, before I go to bed or something, I'll
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see some NDE YouTuber or YouTube channel and I find
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it really interesting, you know, especially after I interviewed Leslie Kane,
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and she after her UFO book and her investigations into UFOs,
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she started looking into surviving death and she brought she
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wrote an amazing book Surviving Death, and then she did
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the Netflix series. So I do have a secret hobby,
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if you will, of looking into near death experiences. So
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I thought that right away was really interesting of your
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story about how you basically went to that above you know,
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three hundred and sixty degree overhead view of the scene,
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and so you were unconscious at that time? Is that
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what happened?
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So that's the thing. I was not unconscious. My body
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was unconscious apparently, but my awareness was not exactly.
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Yeah. Yeah, And that's what they find with the near
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death experience. There's a lot of data where basically the
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person will be flatlined essentially where they have proof that
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there was no brain activity. But then the person will
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recount in the you know afterwards that no, I had
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this experience, you know, I was above, saw the doctor
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doing this. I saw that. So you had a similar
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thing really where you were you were aware.
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Yeah, And even with the near death experience, they see
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like whatever it is the shoe on the roof of
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the hospital kind of thing. And you know, yeah, Leslie
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is a close friend of mine and I'm going to
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actually talk with her on my I have a newer
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channel called Exploring Higher Realities that gets a little bit
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away from UFOs and more into the conscious side of things.
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But you would be surprised, you know, there was a
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research study done people. Yeah, people have issues with how
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the data was collected and all that, but it's called
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the Free Research u the Foundation for the Reality of
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Extraordinary Experiences, and then it became changes name recently, but
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Ray Hernandez started the organization but it became the Edgar
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Mitchell Foundation because Ray Hernandez was working with doctor Edgar Mitchell,
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who founded I the Institute for the Study of Neuetic Sciences,
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and that the there's a there's a high level of
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correlation with you know, it's not just like, oh, somebody
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has a UFO experiences and and then somebody has like
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PSI experiences or somebody has an ND experience for for
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whatever reason. If if somebody has an ND experience, which
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is a very small population of the planet, right uh,
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they there's a high correlation that that individual is going
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to have a UFO experience as well. And vice versa,
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so that there's been studies on that, and that's a Again,
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it's a fascinating correlation. And I think it has to
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do with the opening of somebody's awareness, right. I think
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whether once you have a UFO experience or an ND experience,
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it opens you up to a broader, you know, range
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of reality. They say, we only perceive, you know, a
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fraction of reality, like less than five percent of actual reality,
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because that's what our brains are designed to filter our
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information that doesn't affect our survival or whatever it is.
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You know, we don't see ultraviolet and infrared and much
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more than that. But I think once you're again, whether
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it's through like intensive meditation somebody has, like even psychedelics, right,
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or or near death experience or UFO encounter or some
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kind of spontaneous psychic experience, it opens the aperture of
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your awareness up to what people consider subtle realities.
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Okay, that's really interesting. I remember when I talked to
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Lesley Kane. That's what she said. Also is that when
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people have near death experiences or when they're passing, they'll
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also see UAPs. And if and even when people see
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UAP they'll sometimes or I don't maybe often see ghosts,
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if you will, or dead relatives or something. They'll basically
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it crosses both realms like you just said. And I
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even had my own kind of like Kundalini experience, if
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you will, And that was eighteen months ago. I don't
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know if I'd recommend that to anyone else, But since then,
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I haven't had itt ufolks. You know I've tried. I
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go to like I went to Area fifty one, you know,
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I went to Vernald Valley, Hestlin. I did see an
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orb on the distance in Hestolin, and the project director
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was there and he said, no, there's no aircraft there,
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00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:45.319
et cetera. But I've yet to experience something like like
477
00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:49.400
you've had directly. So if we go back to your
478
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:53.640
your experience, so, do you have any corroborating information? You know,
479
00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:57.400
a lot of the near death experiences will have information
480
00:30:57.480 --> 00:30:59.720
that they couldn't have known really while they were unconscious.
481
00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:01.200
You may in the shoe there I think that was
482
00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:03.680
in Leslie Kane's book is about the shoe where the
483
00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:06.480
where the shoe was located in the hospital. A person
484
00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:09.440
during any saw that and was able to point it out.
485
00:31:09.440 --> 00:31:11.240
Did you have any data you know, we're able to
486
00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:13.920
say there were four ambulances there or something that that
487
00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:14.440
blew anyone.
488
00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:18.319
I mean just that the scene itself was simple. And
489
00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:21.200
I didn't like interview people afterwards or you know, I
490
00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:24.880
was in the mix of it. But it as far
491
00:31:24.920 --> 00:31:26.799
as I know, the scene was accurate to what I
492
00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:29.160
had seen, and like it was my car there and
493
00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:30.599
the ambulance there and what have you?
494
00:31:31.240 --> 00:31:34.480
Okay, And then how did you correlate it to the
495
00:31:34.519 --> 00:31:37.519
actual location of the fireball? Because when I when you
496
00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:41.000
went through your when you saw the fireball, could you
497
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:43.079
tell easily, like how far away it was? Could you
498
00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:45.799
tell distance? Because normally that's a difficult thing to determine.
499
00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:48.200
It was hard to tell. I mean, I couldn't tell
500
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:51.000
you the exact distance I could you know, again I
501
00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:56.240
don't I don't know the size of the object. But
502
00:31:56.839 --> 00:32:00.920
it was very easy because it was in the accame location.
503
00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:05.640
It was all this happened within like basically a block
504
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:08.200
or two of my house of where I lived, and
505
00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:13.200
the accident was right there. And again when when I
506
00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:15.599
saw the object in the sky, it's it's from the
507
00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:17.960
exact location where the car accident was.
508
00:32:18.680 --> 00:32:22.359
Okay, And is that do you go that way like
509
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:24.920
every day. Is it just because or was there anything
510
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:25.680
different today? Well?
511
00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:28.720
Yeah, I live in a different location now, but I did. Yeah,
512
00:32:28.759 --> 00:32:32.400
I did, okay, because it was just it was on
513
00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:33.799
the block of where I lived.
514
00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:38.319
And so when you met the entities when you were
515
00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:42.759
unconscious or during the accident, conscious but not conscious, your
516
00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:46.680
body wasn't conscious. Was it the same entities that later
517
00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:50.880
communicated with you? Did you get the same visual No? No?
518
00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:55.000
Yeah? Which I you know again, when during during that
519
00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:57.920
that accident, the trauma induced out of body experience, it
520
00:32:58.000 --> 00:32:59.119
was like a light entity.
521
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:00.359
Uh.
522
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:05.599
I mean again, somebody somebody might call that like angelic
523
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:08.920
being or spirit guide or higher self. I don't. I
524
00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:13.599
don't know what to call it other than a light being.
525
00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:20.079
And that again, for some reason, I and again I
526
00:33:20.119 --> 00:33:24.640
was absorbed in the experience, but somehow it felt like
527
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:26.200
that being was not separate from me.
528
00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:29.720
Okay, And that does sound like a lot of the
529
00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:34.559
near death experience accounts. But either they talk about a oneness,
530
00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:39.880
they talk about time basically not having any meaning. There's
531
00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:42.079
the euphoria like they don't want to go back into
532
00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:45.119
their body. Did you have any feelings like you didn't
533
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:46.599
want to go back into your body.
534
00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:50.759
There was not even a resist There was not a
535
00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:55.039
resistance to that because I, in that sense, I didn't
536
00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:59.119
have time to consider it. I was not in my
537
00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:01.519
mind I there. I didn't even think that I had
538
00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:04.039
the option to do that, right I would For some
539
00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:07.519
reason that didn't come up, and I was basically cool
540
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:11.360
with whatever would happened. That's how, like I said, I
541
00:34:11.400 --> 00:34:16.000
was in a complete equanimity, so I didn't If it
542
00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:19.280
makes sense, I didn't care one way or the other. Really, yeah,
543
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:23.760
but you know, going back, like thinking about that state, like, yeah,
544
00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:27.360
I mean there was no there was no stress or
545
00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:31.920
resistance or inertia. It was just like a feeling of
546
00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:34.599
complete freedom.
547
00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:37.840
Okay. And then I'm sure because people say in the comments,
548
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:41.119
you know, you were sober at the time in the accident.
549
00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:44.320
You didn't mention the accident or anything, but I'm assuming.
550
00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:48.599
Yeah, I was working another overnight, and I was working
551
00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:50.559
seven days a week at that point. I was really
552
00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:53.639
not getting much sleep, and it was like the middle
553
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:55.039
of the day, I was up the whole night and
554
00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:57.039
I was like, I'm just going to go out right,
555
00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:01.679
And I don't even recall where I was going at
556
00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:07.199
the time. But yeah, it was like it was actually
557
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:10.880
in the middle of the day and I had not slept, okay,
558
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:14.639
so it was like sleep deprivation thing, And I mean
559
00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:16.920
that could have added to the experience as well.
560
00:35:18.159 --> 00:35:20.480
And when I had my crazy kind of leaning experience,
561
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:22.840
actually it was I wasn't sleeping very much. I think
562
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:25.559
a lot of it was just lack of sleep. I
563
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:26.159
don't know if that.
564
00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:33.079
Yeah, I mean I wouldn't I would not advise sleep deprivation,
565
00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:37.400
but it is actually something that's utilized in different practices,
566
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:41.320
like sleep deprivation to induce altered states.
567
00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:47.000
Yeah, it makes sense, I think. I know in the military,
568
00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:52.639
it's one of the approved torture techniques actually to keep
569
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:58.159
people awake from extended periods of time, because I guess
570
00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:02.000
they believe and I've made videos before against any sort
571
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:04.719
of CI torture programs, et cetera. Shure this video get
572
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less views because I'm mentioning this, But they they do
573
00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:12.360
actually keep people awake for extended periods of time to
574
00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:16.719
induce kind of altered states and maybe get them to
575
00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:21.599
give up information, et cetera. So yeah, and you can die.
576
00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:29.239
Yeah, yeah, well, even in esthetic practices, right, like sleep deprivation, fasting,
577
00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:35.199
you know, basically not eating, long periods of meditation, all
578
00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:37.800
that kind of stuff. You know, you use that for
579
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:40.440
like Native American journeys and what have you.
580
00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:44.760
Okay, all right, well cool, let's let's go back to this.
581
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:49.679
These experiences. So you survive and you're you're very happy
582
00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:54.559
that you survived, and you mentioned that afterwards. After this
583
00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:59.679
experience and and you meet this the entity in your
584
00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:03.320
back your body, you felt a higher vibration and that
585
00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:06.239
people talk about that a lot, like you know, raising
586
00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:10.159
your vibration or you know, negative evil thoughts or whatever,
587
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:13.280
or this low vibration. Can you put any sort of
588
00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:15.840
descriptive words to that? What does that mean?
589
00:37:18.360 --> 00:37:23.960
Yeah, I mean it's it's a lightness, a quality of lightness.
590
00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:28.000
And you know in the Yogas they would call this saphik, right,
591
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:35.119
it's very stik, which is that kind of energy quality
592
00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:42.000
has to do with clarity basically non stress. So for me,
593
00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:46.719
it felt visceral in the sense that there was like
594
00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:55.159
a mild tangling. I felt awake and aware, very peaceful,
595
00:37:55.360 --> 00:38:00.840
not stressed, less tension in the in the mind, if
596
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:03.239
that makes sense. Like generally speaking, like when we go
597
00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:06.039
through our normal day. We're in you know what people
598
00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:10.159
call like a beta brainwave pattern, and we're reactive, and
599
00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:12.559
it's good to be in that, especially if you're working
600
00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:16.280
and doing whatever task you're supposed to be doing. But
601
00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:19.440
it was very you know, I felt like I was
602
00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:23.920
in a super tranquil meditative state without having done meditation,
603
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:28.239
if that makes sense, you know. And I felt again,
604
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:31.559
very light and clear and unbothered.
605
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:35.199
Okay, and at a lot of people say as well
606
00:38:35.239 --> 00:38:39.599
that the experience is realer than real or definitely realer
607
00:38:39.639 --> 00:38:42.360
than a dream, And Jim semi Van said realer than real,
608
00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:44.800
if that makes sense. Did you have that sort of
609
00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:45.960
impression either time?
610
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:50.800
Yeah, I mean, I mean in that sense, it's it's
611
00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:59.840
super meaningful and it's so direct that I just I
612
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:02.519
you know what Jim means. And you know, I've spoken
613
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:04.639
to Jim a number of times, you know, about all
614
00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:11.320
these different topics there's Yeah, I mean, it feels like
615
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:15.480
the quality of it, it feels like you're experiencing reality
616
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:18.480
directly without the filters of the brain, right if I
617
00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:22.920
can say it like that, hmm, Like your judge, your
618
00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:27.519
judgments and biases are not as I mean, this is
619
00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:29.800
how I felt we're not like as overlaid on the
620
00:39:29.840 --> 00:39:33.800
experience rather than having an experience of pure experience.
621
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:36.559
The two encounters, did you feel like they were similar?
622
00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:41.639
They? I mean, they definitely had different qualities to them.
623
00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:42.679
Uhh.
624
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:46.679
And I was in like, I guess you could say,
625
00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:51.239
different states of awareness within the experiences. Uh, there was
626
00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:58.440
a similar feeling, right, like the even gratitude you can say,
627
00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:00.239
right like it was one of one of the those
628
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:07.519
kind of underlying feelings. Yeah. This again, this this awareness
629
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:10.199
of like a unity consciousness kind of thing without getting
630
00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:16.199
too wu. Those kind of feelings were there, right, But
631
00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:19.960
the experiences themselves were very different because one was in
632
00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:23.000
an almost liminal type state and the other was I
633
00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:29.719
was in like a very like three D consensus reality scenario.
634
00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:34.800
When you get this telepathic communication, had you had anything before?
635
00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:37.719
I guess how did you know it wasn't your own thoughts?
636
00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:40.519
You know, I'll have thoughts in my brand bike. How
637
00:40:40.519 --> 00:40:42.840
do you even know if you're having telepathic communication you're
638
00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:45.559
not just thinking to yourself because you.
639
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:49.599
Know, I mean, it's that obvious, it's that different. And
640
00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:53.920
again I actually, yeah, when I was younger, I had
641
00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:58.639
a telepathic experience with again non human entities. And I
642
00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:02.480
guess somebody can say that's the case, you're imagining it.
643
00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:05.719
It really didn't feel that way. And I, you know,
644
00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:09.559
I saw these shadow type entities and it was again
645
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:12.119
it was super telepathic. And the first thing that those
646
00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:15.280
entities had said was he could see us, and that
647
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:18.119
that freaked me out. But that was the only thing
648
00:41:18.519 --> 00:41:23.880
experienced before I had of telepathy. But just like like
649
00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:27.000
when I heard the telepathy tapes, right, the way that
650
00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:32.800
the people in the telepathy tapes are describing telepathy is exactly,
651
00:41:33.960 --> 00:41:37.559
you know, how how I would describe how teleopathy happens.
652
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:39.840
And it's it's more. Again, It's more than just an
653
00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:43.880
auditorial auditory thing. It wasn't just like I heard a
654
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:49.880
voice or words, right. There was this entire complex, comprehensive
655
00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:56.440
like a merger of consciousness. Right. It was not just
656
00:41:56.519 --> 00:41:59.639
like there was no question in my mind that I
657
00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:02.960
was going on, if that makes sense, right, Like I
658
00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:06.840
I hear my voice in my head all day every
659
00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:11.079
day when I'm thinking things. This was a magnitude different
660
00:42:11.079 --> 00:42:11.559
in order.
661
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:18.639
Okay, that's great to hear, Yeah that I'm glad. That
662
00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:21.800
clears up a lot of questions so then when you
663
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:25.079
when you get this telepathic communication, you said you could
664
00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:27.920
actually see the entities, or you at least you got
665
00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:31.760
a visual impression of what eats a good way you
666
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:35.880
learned later what what they sent you. I guess what
667
00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:37.079
they wanted you to see.
668
00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:41.519
That all happened. It wasn't later. It was everything at once.
669
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:44.119
When I'm describing it, it sounds like I'm saying it's
670
00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:46.360
later because that's the only way I can describe it
671
00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:49.880
as linearly. But it was everything at once, simultaneous.
672
00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:54.280
Okay. And you said the classic Nordic right, So, blonde hair,
673
00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:59.239
blue eyes like like me, I guess, but pretty much
674
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:04.719
with longer hair. Okay, they had long hair. Okay, that's
675
00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:05.320
why I'm growing.
676
00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:07.960
There was a male and a female and like this
677
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:14.519
almost lightish blue gray, a typical like spacesuit kind of
678
00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:18.480
thing that you would see depictions of Nordic etis. Yeah.
679
00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:21.599
And again I don't know if that is actually what
680
00:43:21.639 --> 00:43:24.039
they looked like or they were. That was some kind
681
00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:26.320
of representation that would make sense to me, and that's
682
00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:29.199
why they use that form. I really don't know.
683
00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:35.039
Okay. And then so when you you run outside and
684
00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:38.639
you see this craft, I thought it was really interesting
685
00:43:38.679 --> 00:43:42.840
that it's hexagonal shaped, like my Carrera basically said, and
686
00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:45.280
that and the eight gone that Jake Barbara was talking about,
687
00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:46.360
what did you think about those?
688
00:43:47.199 --> 00:43:51.559
Or so they they they described that as an eight
689
00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:54.559
gone And in my experience, this was in two thousand
690
00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:58.320
and seven, I say it was like a hexagon because
691
00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:01.360
I didn't I didn't count the side right, it didn't
692
00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:06.119
seem I'm just like, you know, it could have been pentagonal,
693
00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:09.000
but hexagon is what stood out to me, just because
694
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:14.119
of how even it was hexagonal and it was round
695
00:44:14.199 --> 00:44:17.639
and it had the flatter edges. So I don't, you know,
696
00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:20.280
I have no way to relate what I experienced to
697
00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:23.559
what they had seen. I really I don't know what
698
00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:24.119
to make of that.
699
00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:27.920
Okay. And then you said you had two family members
700
00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:30.280
come out, and did they see exactly the same, Like
701
00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:32.840
they fully corroborated that the craft were there and they
702
00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:34.239
could see the shape and everything.
703
00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:38.440
Yeah, but well by the time they came out, it
704
00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:42.039
wasn't as close because they had moved across, like maybe
705
00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:43.920
a thousand feet away at least, but they saw what
706
00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:44.239
I was.
707
00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:48.320
Seeing, Okay. And then they did you guys watched it together,
708
00:44:48.360 --> 00:44:52.360
I guess for like twenty minutes. Yeah, okay, what did
709
00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:54.800
they do? Did they move around or do any anything?
710
00:44:54.880 --> 00:45:00.400
Yeah, so the crafts were moving around, disappearing and then reappearing. Okay,
711
00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:03.719
and you know we were fascinated. And you know, my
712
00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:08.880
family actually two same family members and one other family
713
00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:13.559
member were with me a few years later for what
714
00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:16.800
you can consider like a high level CE five experience,
715
00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:20.840
where that experience I did not initiate that as far
716
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:23.599
as I know, right, if people want to get into
717
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some kind of deeper like soul contract thing, I have
718
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no idea, right, I didn't in my conscious awareness, I
719
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didn't intend for those experiences to happen, but they did.
720
00:45:33.480 --> 00:45:36.760
But later on and getting into CE five, I got
721
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into experiences where I did facilitate the experience, and on
722
00:45:44.559 --> 00:45:51.000
a few occasions they were like really like tremendous experiences.
723
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:56.440
So it sounds like, yeah, if your family members participated,
724
00:45:56.800 --> 00:46:00.960
it sounds like I'm assuming here that this event had
725
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some effect on them as well.
726
00:46:03.440 --> 00:46:07.039
Well. So the funny thing is the the like one
727
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:10.679
of the pretty tremendous experiences that happened during CE five,
728
00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:17.039
which like generally speaking with CE five, it's I I
729
00:46:17.119 --> 00:46:19.440
found that they're not as as kind of in your
730
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:23.480
face as people having a spontaneous experience right when non
731
00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:27.119
human intelligence or the phenomenon decides to just do what
732
00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:30.840
it does and interact with individuals per se. But that's
733
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not to say that like a C five experience can't
734
00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:38.719
be completely incredible. But during during that C five experience,
735
00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:44.719
it was me and somebody else and it was just
736
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the two of us doing the C five and it
737
00:46:46.599 --> 00:46:52.320
was actually their first CE five and they I because
738
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:55.119
they had no like prior training. I was telling them like, listen,
739
00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:58.440
don't get your hopes up. I don't know, you know how.
740
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You know, in my mind, I'm thinking they're not that experienced,
741
00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:05.840
but uh, you know, so I didn't want them to
742
00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:07.920
have high expectations. So I said, you know, we'll do
743
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:14.480
this whenever. And the way the the other family members
744
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:17.159
were kind of there as witnesses. Again they were not
745
00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:20.000
participating in the CE five, but again they were here
746
00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:23.559
for another experience regardless.
747
00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:28.480
Okay, and so what do they think? What's their views
748
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on the phenomenon.
749
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They they don't again, they don't like research or look
750
00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:38.400
into it, but they know it's real. They completely support
751
00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:40.840
what I do because they were there for those experiences
752
00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:45.199
and they understand why I'm so driven to do everything
753
00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:49.239
I do, and like to them, it's they don't think
754
00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:52.239
much about like they're not on a daily basis thinking
755
00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:55.360
about UFOs as far as I know, but they know
756
00:47:55.400 --> 00:48:00.119
it's absolutely real. There's no question to them. And the
757
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:03.760
the that C five experience though the you know, we
758
00:48:03.760 --> 00:48:06.239
were doing the C five all around like nine pm
759
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at night, and we did about a twenty minute CE
760
00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:14.639
five meditation and process, and again I didn't have high expectations.
761
00:48:14.679 --> 00:48:19.000
But when me and this family member we got out
762
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of the room, it was dark in the house because
763
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my other two family members were watching a movie. And
764
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as soon as I stepped out of the room, they said, hey,
765
00:48:27.800 --> 00:48:31.400
somebody's taking pictures outside, like in the house or something.
766
00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:34.159
So I said, what do you mean. They said, there's flashing.
767
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And right after they said there's flashing, I saw the
768
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flash come in the house. It looked like lightning. So
769
00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:43.039
I'm like not sure, I'm not at that. When I
770
00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:45.559
saw the flash, I'm like it, like is that lightning?
771
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Because it again the light came in and like it
772
00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:52.239
lit up the whole room for just for a flash.
773
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Of a second like lightning would, and so I'm like, okay,
774
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I want to see what's going on. So I ran out,
775
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you know, go to run outside, and I see another
776
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flash and uh, I actually had my laser point already
777
00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:09.840
because this was a CE five. I was gonna signal, right,
778
00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:13.599
And I don't advise people use lasers. I know I
779
00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:16.320
was using it, but again, lasers are not a joke.
780
00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:19.079
They're a safety issue. They're not a toy. I just
781
00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:22.159
want to put that in there as a disclaimer, but
782
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I did. I going outside, and the one person who
783
00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:26.920
was doing the CE five process with me followed me,
784
00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:31.599
and we go outside and there was these two craft
785
00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:34.559
or it looked like craft like they like light orbs whatever.
786
00:49:34.599 --> 00:49:37.159
They weren't like physical craft like the other ones I saw.
787
00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:39.840
But there were two crafts in the sky as I'm
788
00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:42.079
trying to get to sound like in here, and they
789
00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:45.679
were moving like this, and I flashed the laser, the
790
00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:49.400
green laser, in the center of them, and then they
791
00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:52.079
one flashed and then the other flashed. So I'm like,
792
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:54.199
you know, it was like holy crap, right, like, okay,
793
00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:56.880
that that seems like something's going on here, right, Like
794
00:49:57.400 --> 00:49:59.760
it seemed like it was in response to our CE five,
795
00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:06.559
like two random satellites, right and from that point, like
796
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:11.079
there there was a whole like cascade of UFOs, if
797
00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:12.840
you want to call it that. Right, Like, the sky
798
00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:19.840
was alive with UAPs of all different colors, different they're
799
00:50:19.880 --> 00:50:24.960
doing different things. People call these things like a flashbulb,
800
00:50:25.039 --> 00:50:26.679
so they'll be like a flash of light in a
801
00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:29.960
single spot, and you know whether it's a single or
802
00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:34.679
double flash or flashes here and then flashes there. There
803
00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:38.559
were lights in the sky like a purple one here,
804
00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:42.199
a red one here, a green one here, what people
805
00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:45.239
call streakers, which it looks like a meteor comet, but
806
00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:49.280
it's zigzagging in the sky. And you know what people
807
00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:51.719
call power ups, right like it looks like a satellite
808
00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:56.239
that's lighting up. And everywhere you looked in the sky
809
00:50:56.360 --> 00:51:00.639
there was something different going on. And again this was
810
00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:03.719
another event that went on for maybe twenty five minutes.
811
00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:07.400
Right from the start, this is going on and again
812
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:10.760
I went into my house and I got my family members.
813
00:51:11.440 --> 00:51:13.119
I said, you guys got to come out here. And
814
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at this point they knew I was doing CE five
815
00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:16.920
and stuff, so I said, you know, I just did
816
00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:18.679
a CE five and there's some stuff out heres, and
817
00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:24.599
they came out and they were seeing all this and this,
818
00:51:24.599 --> 00:51:28.360
this again, this, I for whatever reason, during this event,
819
00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:35.199
I did have another like Kundalini type effect and just
820
00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:42.199
in the yard I saw yellow orbs and almost in
821
00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:46.000
like the structure of a pyramid, if that makes sense,
822
00:51:46.119 --> 00:51:50.159
and like they were in the yard because this was
823
00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:55.519
in my backyard. So you know, this was another incredible event,
824
00:51:55.519 --> 00:51:57.840
mostly because it was a CE five and I was
825
00:51:57.880 --> 00:52:02.639
not expecting this kind of response. Number one, because the
826
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person that was doing it with me was like a beginner.
827
00:52:05.880 --> 00:52:09.199
This was their first CE five, and also because it
828
00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:12.519
was so in your face and all the things that
829
00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:14.599
were happening in the sky. Again, this is going on
830
00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:16.679
for twenty five minutes, and everywhere you looked, there was
831
00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:19.519
something going on. And this is another event where I thought,
832
00:52:19.639 --> 00:52:23.039
like somebody else has to be seeing this because it's
833
00:52:23.039 --> 00:52:26.079
so incredible. And if I were to count the UFOs
834
00:52:26.159 --> 00:52:29.440
that were there for that twenty five minute period of
835
00:52:29.480 --> 00:52:33.719
all this going on, it would have been hundreds of UFOs.
836
00:52:33.800 --> 00:52:37.719
And you know, I jokingly called it like an intergalactic initiation.
837
00:52:38.840 --> 00:52:42.000
And you know, the only reason it stopped as far
838
00:52:42.039 --> 00:52:43.719
as I know is because I left because I wanted
839
00:52:43.719 --> 00:52:45.719
to go get my friend because he was supposed to
840
00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:48.840
be joining us for the CE five. So I'm like,
841
00:52:48.880 --> 00:52:51.519
i gotta go get my friend Dave, because he's the
842
00:52:51.519 --> 00:52:53.519
one who does CE five with me on like on
843
00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:55.960
a daily basis at that point, so I wanted him
844
00:52:55.960 --> 00:52:59.760
to see this. And even as I'm leaving, I'm seeing
845
00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:06.480
like streaks, like as I'm leaving my driveway, and you know,
846
00:53:06.519 --> 00:53:08.639
even when my family members said, oh, when you left,
847
00:53:08.639 --> 00:53:12.920
they followed you. But after I left my house in
848
00:53:12.960 --> 00:53:15.920
my backyard, the apparently the event ended. I don't know
849
00:53:15.960 --> 00:53:19.159
because I was driving and after I was driving down
850
00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:21.280
the road, I didn't see anything else. I'm paying attention
851
00:53:21.320 --> 00:53:26.599
to the road, not the sky. But apparently when I left,
852
00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:30.159
the interaction ended and that was it. And when I
853
00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:33.000
brought my friend back, nothing happened. So I was I
854
00:53:33.039 --> 00:53:37.760
was a little like I kicked myself because I wonder
855
00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:39.440
what happened if I would have just stayed there and
856
00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:43.480
never left, right, because it was a pretty incredible event,
857
00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:45.880
And then again there was this there was another like
858
00:53:46.119 --> 00:53:49.320
energetic Kundalini quality to this experience as well.
859
00:53:50.840 --> 00:53:53.920
And I'm sure there'll be many questions in the comments,
860
00:53:54.079 --> 00:53:56.519
is you know, if this event's going on for twenty minutes.
861
00:53:57.199 --> 00:54:01.480
The normal question I see all the time is you know,
862
00:54:01.519 --> 00:54:04.800
where's the proof? Where's the evidence? You know, they ask
863
00:54:05.440 --> 00:54:08.519
why don't we see all the videos? And I've looked
864
00:54:08.559 --> 00:54:10.599
in many videos, and you know, people send me videos
865
00:54:10.599 --> 00:54:15.000
all the time and it's either a satellite or they
866
00:54:15.039 --> 00:54:17.599
won't see it when they actually are taking a picture
867
00:54:18.079 --> 00:54:21.000
and what turns out to be some sort of lens Claire,
868
00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:23.920
that's just an artifact when they took the camera. So
869
00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:27.360
can you talk about or explain why we don't see
870
00:54:27.559 --> 00:54:31.320
all the videos like this encounter online?
871
00:54:31.760 --> 00:54:33.960
I mean, for me, when I was, when I was
872
00:54:34.039 --> 00:54:37.320
in this kind of experience that I was totally there,
873
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:40.000
like totally, I didn't I wasn't stopping and you know,
874
00:54:40.039 --> 00:54:41.760
other than when I left, which was a dumb thing
875
00:54:41.800 --> 00:54:44.000
to do, I think now that I think back on it,
876
00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:51.559
you know, I was immersed in the experience, right, I
877
00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:54.800
didn't even want to stop for anything. I was just
878
00:54:54.840 --> 00:54:58.920
trying to absorb what was going on. The videos that
879
00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:03.800
are out right there, there's plenty of misidentification videos. There
880
00:55:03.840 --> 00:55:07.519
are there are some good videos, right I put together
881
00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:11.280
a video on my channel called Examples of CE five footage,
882
00:55:12.039 --> 00:55:17.239
and it shows pretty good UFO footage from Mission RAMA,
883
00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:22.519
which was like a c SETI type group, or you
884
00:55:22.519 --> 00:55:24.320
know c SETI being the Center for the Study of
885
00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:31.920
Extraterrestrial Intelligence, which was Stephen Greer's CE five group, but
886
00:55:32.760 --> 00:55:35.719
thirty years twenty years before that was Mission RAMA in
887
00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:40.159
South America in Lima, Peru six to pas Wells was
888
00:55:40.199 --> 00:55:44.199
like the Stephen Greer of Peru and he's doing contact
889
00:55:44.199 --> 00:55:48.719
modalities to interact with the UFOs and the mainstream media.
890
00:55:49.480 --> 00:55:53.679
He got a local media to come and visit one
891
00:55:53.719 --> 00:55:58.239
of these events and he actually got decent footage of
892
00:55:58.320 --> 00:56:00.880
Again it's in the late seventies or early eighties. I
893
00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:04.440
think of this footage when this footage was taken, and
894
00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:08.400
you know, again there were not drones out in the
895
00:56:08.440 --> 00:56:10.960
public then and these these the way these objects were
896
00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:13.679
moving like that was either advanced drone tech in the
897
00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:16.079
late seventies doing what it's doing, or it's a UFO,
898
00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:21.039
and you know, either would be interesting. But so there's
899
00:56:21.079 --> 00:56:22.960
some good footage, but you have to know what to
900
00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:26.559
look for, right and people might not like this answer,
901
00:56:26.599 --> 00:56:28.639
but if you want to know what to look for.
902
00:56:29.239 --> 00:56:32.119
That a tip did a good job at categorizing the
903
00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:38.360
five or actually the six observables. So again, a genuine
904
00:56:38.480 --> 00:56:42.800
UFO video probably going to have that distortion right from
905
00:56:42.840 --> 00:56:44.360
the get go, and people are not gonna like that.
906
00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:47.639
But it seems like the technology creates a distortion in
907
00:56:47.679 --> 00:56:50.559
space time, right, so that that would actually be a
908
00:56:50.559 --> 00:56:52.880
telltell for me of the video. Is like of a
909
00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:57.719
genuine UFO, there's some energetic quality going around the physical object, right,
910
00:56:58.039 --> 00:57:00.920
Like if I see a black triangle and it doesn't
911
00:57:00.920 --> 00:57:02.800
have some kind of bubble or field around it, it's
912
00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:07.400
probably man made tech, right, something reverse engineered or or
913
00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:12.599
you know, classified technology that's not reverse engineered, but just
914
00:57:12.639 --> 00:57:20.119
classified tech. And the number one tale sign of something
915
00:57:20.199 --> 00:57:23.480
like that is also that in the video somehow you
916
00:57:23.519 --> 00:57:28.360
can tell that the object is interacting with the individual recording, right.
917
00:57:29.840 --> 00:57:35.800
So those there are such videos, right, And again it's
918
00:57:35.960 --> 00:57:38.480
years ago now and the technology was not great. But
919
00:57:38.559 --> 00:57:43.599
Dorothysat or dorothy is At, I think, is an extraordinary
920
00:57:43.639 --> 00:57:46.880
case of somebody who was having these kind of interactions regularly,
921
00:57:46.960 --> 00:57:50.760
and she recorded a lot of it in pictures and videos,
922
00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:55.800
and I absolutely do not think that she faked the video, right,
923
00:57:58.079 --> 00:58:04.519
And there's really interesting video footage there. Right, there's other
924
00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:08.480
video footage out there that again, nobody's ever debunked the
925
00:58:08.519 --> 00:58:14.199
Turkish UFO case. That's an extremely odd one. But there
926
00:58:14.239 --> 00:58:17.920
are a ton of like probably ninety to ninety five
927
00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:22.519
percent of the videos out there are misidentifications. And even
928
00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:25.000
people who go out to do contact work and see five.
929
00:58:26.039 --> 00:58:30.039
When you first go out there, you know, everything's a UFO, right,
930
00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:33.280
And I understand, like you're excited whatever, and it's usually
931
00:58:33.320 --> 00:58:38.760
brought on by a genuine UFO experience. But most people
932
00:58:38.840 --> 00:58:41.719
are just not familiar with how much is going on
933
00:58:41.760 --> 00:58:45.760
in our skies, especially nowadays, right, compared to decades ago,
934
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:51.159
we have like starlink and satellites and drones. Now it's
935
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:57.599
it's probably become way harder to discern. Right. You can
936
00:58:57.719 --> 00:59:00.239
use applications, but there's there's always going to be room
937
00:59:00.280 --> 00:59:01.239
for misidentification.
938
00:59:02.920 --> 00:59:06.239
Another question I get, and I thought while you were
939
00:59:06.400 --> 00:59:11.559
telling your experience is if the NHI wants us to
940
00:59:11.599 --> 00:59:14.519
know about them, you know, why why is it so
941
00:59:14.599 --> 00:59:17.400
difficult to find any sort of evidence for them? You know,
942
00:59:17.400 --> 00:59:21.119
couldn't they just come on our TV or you know,
943
00:59:21.199 --> 00:59:23.360
show up on the White House lawn, et cetera. Why
944
00:59:23.360 --> 00:59:26.599
don't why don't we have more overt shows of them?
945
00:59:28.679 --> 00:59:32.880
Yeah, that's a great question. And again I I I
946
00:59:32.960 --> 00:59:38.480
always leave a room for error and translation in the
947
00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:41.840
message I received, and I put message in quotes because
948
00:59:41.840 --> 00:59:46.000
again I I'm open to it being a misinterpretation or
949
00:59:46.559 --> 00:59:53.840
even I you know, I don't think. Again, my experience
950
00:59:53.880 --> 00:59:56.480
seemed positive in many ways, but I don't if there
951
00:59:56.559 --> 00:59:58.800
was a non human intelligence, they can make or they
952
00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:00.920
can make me see or feel whatever they want me
953
01:00:01.039 --> 01:00:06.199
to write. As as Jim semi Van, I'm sure would
954
01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:10.039
uh would point in that direction with his his background
955
01:00:10.079 --> 01:00:15.840
and his experience was not as pleasant. But I don't
956
01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:18.480
know the answer to that, and it might. My own
957
01:00:18.599 --> 01:00:21.519
impression is that they're they're not going to force their
958
01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:25.280
reality on us, that we have to be open and
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01:00:25.320 --> 01:00:32.920
willing to to their presence. Right they've they've done or
960
01:00:33.679 --> 01:00:37.920
you know, seemingly there's been different UFO events that were
961
01:00:38.079 --> 01:00:41.599
more public. I mean, if you consider the Fatoma incident
962
01:00:41.760 --> 01:00:45.679
right in Portugal where thousands of people saw UFO, this
963
01:00:46.960 --> 01:00:53.159
tremendous UFO and you know the Phoenix lights or you
964
01:00:53.159 --> 01:00:55.400
know the Hudson Value UFO wave even right here where
965
01:00:55.440 --> 01:00:58.079
for almost a decade, you know, people hundreds of people
966
01:00:58.199 --> 01:01:01.480
were pulled over on the Taconic State Parkway to see
967
01:01:01.519 --> 01:01:06.239
this huge boomerange craft. You know, I don't know if
968
01:01:06.280 --> 01:01:08.840
that was non human intelligence or some kind of I mean,
969
01:01:08.840 --> 01:01:10.519
I don't know why you would showcase some kind of
970
01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:15.400
classified technology like that and just you know, put it
971
01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:19.719
out in the media. But if that was a genuine event,
972
01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:23.679
right there, there's been you know, the Stevensville event in
973
01:01:23.679 --> 01:01:27.880
two thousand and eight, right there's there's been major UFO
974
01:01:27.960 --> 01:01:33.440
events where there's been mass sightings, and you know, to
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01:01:33.480 --> 01:01:36.760
the extent, I can only speculate that non human intelligence
976
01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:41.599
wants us to be aware without forcing their presence on us, right.
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01:01:41.760 --> 01:01:44.440
I mean, some people will say that doesn't make sense
978
01:01:44.559 --> 01:01:48.119
or or scrutinize it, and it makes sense to me.
979
01:01:48.280 --> 01:01:52.599
And it does seem like that non human intelligence does
980
01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:58.239
interact with with people, right selectively or you know, for
981
01:01:58.320 --> 01:02:02.559
whatever reason. But there are such events and even again
982
01:02:03.199 --> 01:02:07.159
it's it's not just ideological, because some of these events
983
01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:09.920
have physical effects, right, so that we know that it's
984
01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:16.880
going on. So I don't truly know, I can only speculate,
985
01:02:16.920 --> 01:02:18.679
and I'd say they don't want to force their presence
986
01:02:18.719 --> 01:02:22.519
on us, But I mean that that's an easy excuse
987
01:02:22.639 --> 01:02:26.599
for for trying to make the you know that idea resonate.
988
01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:32.320
And so you've been an experiencer for you know, multiple
989
01:02:32.320 --> 01:02:36.559
decades and investigating it, really looking into it, talking to
990
01:02:36.599 --> 01:02:40.519
these people running a podcast, what what what do you
991
01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:43.360
think of Jake Barber's account on what came out? And
992
01:02:43.440 --> 01:02:46.280
why do you think if true, why would the government
993
01:02:46.400 --> 01:02:48.480
keep its secret at such high costs?
994
01:02:50.800 --> 01:02:55.760
I mean, Jake Barber's account is extraordinary in a number
995
01:02:55.800 --> 01:02:59.800
of ways. You know. Not only is he an experiencer,
996
01:03:00.199 --> 01:03:05.639
right and had this this consciousness interface, which to me
997
01:03:05.960 --> 01:03:09.480
is something that's a telltale sign of a genuine non
998
01:03:09.559 --> 01:03:14.320
human intelligence experience rather than just being exposed to classify technology.
999
01:03:14.679 --> 01:03:18.159
But he was part of a retrieval team, right, which
1000
01:03:18.199 --> 01:03:23.559
is you know, doubly extraordinary. And you know what's actually
1001
01:03:23.639 --> 01:03:28.199
really weird or interesting is there was allegedly a story
1002
01:03:28.320 --> 01:03:33.880
leaked into the UFO community in the late nineties about
1003
01:03:34.119 --> 01:03:40.320
a crash retrieval program called Zodiac. And in this you
1004
01:03:40.360 --> 01:03:47.360
know UFO story, it's probably partially true, probably part I
1005
01:03:47.400 --> 01:03:50.519
don't want to say disinformation, but other information put in
1006
01:03:50.559 --> 01:03:55.840
there to not fully expose the program, you know, allegedly
1007
01:03:55.920 --> 01:03:58.519
that you know, they said the CIA took over the
1008
01:03:58.559 --> 01:04:04.800
crash retrieval portfolio in the seventies. And what was interesting
1009
01:04:04.840 --> 01:04:09.440
about that story is that the retrieval team there was
1010
01:04:09.480 --> 01:04:12.800
a there's a crash retrieval team, and the retrieval team
1011
01:04:12.960 --> 01:04:19.599
in this story all had consciousness interface and experience with
1012
01:04:19.639 --> 01:04:23.320
non human intelligence. You know, again, it's just a story
1013
01:04:23.320 --> 01:04:24.760
and you have to take it with a grain of salt.
1014
01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:27.679
But allegedly it was it was leaked through a valid
1015
01:04:27.760 --> 01:04:33.960
source defense contractors, through this corporate lawyer. And you know,
1016
01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:37.920
if you look in the the Davis Wilson notes and
1017
01:04:37.960 --> 01:04:43.840
then the alien autopsy information that came out the alien
1018
01:04:43.880 --> 01:04:50.239
autopsy email chain through the Edgar the Edgar Mitchell files,
1019
01:04:50.320 --> 01:04:54.800
like there's preferal information in there about it, where like
1020
01:04:54.840 --> 01:04:58.639
how put off and was the one talking about this
1021
01:04:58.639 --> 01:05:02.920
this h story that came out, But there was a
1022
01:05:02.920 --> 01:05:07.320
consciousness interface with the crash retrieval team. So that always
1023
01:05:07.639 --> 01:05:10.960
was interesting to me, especially when when Jake Barber came
1024
01:05:10.960 --> 01:05:15.800
out and he's telling his story. I think that the
1025
01:05:15.880 --> 01:05:20.519
whole idea of the consciousness interface is compelling. You know,
1026
01:05:20.639 --> 01:05:25.840
the experience that that Jake Barber had, I mean if
1027
01:05:26.079 --> 01:05:28.760
you look at him when he's telling the story story
1028
01:05:28.840 --> 01:05:32.679
that it clearly affected this man, right, It had a
1029
01:05:32.719 --> 01:05:36.079
powerful effect. It brought him to tears. Right, Uh, he
1030
01:05:36.199 --> 01:05:40.840
felt a connection with this non human intelligence or even
1031
01:05:40.840 --> 01:05:46.559
the craft, right, which could be conscious itself. So that
1032
01:05:47.000 --> 01:05:49.000
you know, why would they cover that up? I mean,
1033
01:05:49.159 --> 01:05:53.039
number one, the crash retrieval thing, right is one aspect.
1034
01:05:53.079 --> 01:06:00.960
The other is this consciousness interface aspect that that wholenciousness interface,
1035
01:06:01.000 --> 01:06:04.119
and UFOs has been there from the very beginning, right
1036
01:06:04.199 --> 01:06:07.559
even in like the nineteen fifties memos where they're talking
1037
01:06:07.559 --> 01:06:13.719
about anomaloust mental phenomena. Is you know, clearly the at
1038
01:06:13.760 --> 01:06:17.440
least the US government knew about that very early on.
1039
01:06:18.119 --> 01:06:21.559
And you know, if you get into the Phil Corso story,
1040
01:06:22.199 --> 01:06:24.880
you know Phil Courso was talking about how the being
1041
01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:28.719
itself seemed to be part of the craft or part
1042
01:06:28.719 --> 01:06:32.880
of the technology, where the being's consciousness seemed maybe somehow
1043
01:06:32.920 --> 01:06:37.960
to interface with the craft. So there's like threads and
1044
01:06:38.039 --> 01:06:43.639
breadcrumbs that have been there for decades. As far as
1045
01:06:43.719 --> 01:06:48.639
Jake Barber himself. It seems to be that he was
1046
01:06:48.679 --> 01:06:51.039
where he said he was, at least and doing the
1047
01:06:51.159 --> 01:06:53.840
job he said he was, So that seems very credible.
1048
01:06:55.639 --> 01:07:01.320
The whole thing about the psionics, I'm glad that came
1049
01:07:01.360 --> 01:07:07.440
out in a more public way. Probably in some way
1050
01:07:07.480 --> 01:07:09.920
people feel that that took away from the story of
1051
01:07:09.960 --> 01:07:13.360
the actual crash retrieval. But I'm glad that he told
1052
01:07:13.400 --> 01:07:15.920
the story as he knew it. And I'm glad that
1053
01:07:15.920 --> 01:07:18.639
that aspect is being looked into in a more serious
1054
01:07:18.639 --> 01:07:24.000
way with psionics, the cognitive human interface, because I think
1055
01:07:24.039 --> 01:07:27.880
that's with that part of the phenomenon, you're getting closer
1056
01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:30.199
to the to the root of the whole thing.
1057
01:07:33.039 --> 01:07:37.320
And did you have any experiences after your you know,
1058
01:07:37.400 --> 01:07:40.679
initial the siding with the craft, with the multiple craft,
1059
01:07:40.920 --> 01:07:44.039
did you have any direct, in your face type experiences again.
1060
01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:47.880
So that the other experience I told you, which was
1061
01:07:47.920 --> 01:07:52.639
a C five was was pretty was pretty in your
1062
01:07:52.639 --> 01:07:55.800
face and direct, although the none of the craft seemed
1063
01:07:55.800 --> 01:07:59.920
like metal, right, I had orbs within a few feetom
1064
01:08:01.880 --> 01:08:06.199
and this whole again electrical thing through my body. So
1065
01:08:06.440 --> 01:08:09.280
that was very direct. And that was in twenty ten
1066
01:08:09.400 --> 01:08:14.280
or twenty eleven, And you know at that part it's
1067
01:08:14.320 --> 01:08:18.880
hard to differentiate because in two thousand and eight, two
1068
01:08:18.920 --> 01:08:23.600
thousand and nine, I started CE five. So at what
1069
01:08:23.760 --> 01:08:29.800
point does it become that you initiated it or now
1070
01:08:29.840 --> 01:08:35.159
the non human intelligence is engaging with you intermittently, right,
1071
01:08:35.279 --> 01:08:41.600
Because there's been plenty of times I had interactions after that,
1072
01:08:42.399 --> 01:08:46.199
but all of those ones that were really in your face,
1073
01:08:46.319 --> 01:08:49.920
like the one with the metal objects and stuff like that.
1074
01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:55.000
The one in two ten, twenty eleven again was really
1075
01:08:55.079 --> 01:08:57.800
kind of in your face in a different way. It
1076
01:08:57.880 --> 01:09:00.880
was overwhelming. It was a different kind of experience for sure,
1077
01:09:01.520 --> 01:09:05.760
just because the it didn't have the exact telepathic download quality,
1078
01:09:06.319 --> 01:09:08.760
although there was a similar one, but it definitely not
1079
01:09:09.199 --> 01:09:16.159
as direct. But since then I have not had one
1080
01:09:16.399 --> 01:09:18.720
that is as in your face as those other ones.
1081
01:09:20.560 --> 01:09:22.000
And when you were in the house and you had
1082
01:09:22.039 --> 01:09:26.159
the telepathic communication, were you in the same kind of
1083
01:09:26.239 --> 01:09:29.760
lack of sleep condition or were you well rested?
1084
01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:35.079
It was the day after I got to the hospital. Okay,
1085
01:09:36.239 --> 01:09:38.119
yeah I was. I was rested, but it was it.
1086
01:09:38.119 --> 01:09:40.079
It was within the same week. So unless you're getting
1087
01:09:40.159 --> 01:09:45.920
like like several days of of like a lot of sleep,
1088
01:09:45.960 --> 01:09:49.800
you're probably not recovering from the sleep deprivation on the
1089
01:09:50.399 --> 01:09:55.079
daylight sighting to the to the accident was about two
1090
01:09:55.119 --> 01:10:02.239
months the accident to the the telepathic download and the
1091
01:10:02.279 --> 01:10:04.479
metal craft and all that, which was like a dark right,
1092
01:10:05.159 --> 01:10:06.960
that was the day after.
1093
01:10:08.439 --> 01:10:11.920
Okay, I see. So just for the timeline, So you
1094
01:10:11.960 --> 01:10:15.000
saw the fireball, and then two months later you had
1095
01:10:15.039 --> 01:10:19.119
the accident, You go to the hospital, and the next
1096
01:10:19.199 --> 01:10:22.960
day you get you get out, or the day after
1097
01:10:23.000 --> 01:10:26.199
you get out of the hospital you have the telepathic encounter.
1098
01:10:27.800 --> 01:10:29.720
Yeah. Well I got out of the hospital the next
1099
01:10:29.800 --> 01:10:32.880
day and then later the night I had that experience.
1100
01:10:33.560 --> 01:10:37.079
And again I think there was something to the trauma
1101
01:10:37.119 --> 01:10:40.960
induced out of body experience that simulated like an ND had.
1102
01:10:41.119 --> 01:10:43.199
It must have had something to do with all that.
1103
01:10:43.920 --> 01:10:47.600
Oh okay, okay, I see. So they were right next
1104
01:10:47.640 --> 01:10:53.239
to each other or within a relative timeframe within a day, yeah, okay.
1105
01:10:53.279 --> 01:10:53.720
Interesting.
1106
01:10:54.239 --> 01:10:57.600
And so now you've been looking at the subject for
1107
01:10:57.800 --> 01:11:02.039
many years now, over almost twenty years since that encounter.
1108
01:11:03.520 --> 01:11:06.239
What do you tell people is the best evidence? You know,
1109
01:11:06.279 --> 01:11:09.439
when you meet someone who's incredulous, which I'm sure you've
1110
01:11:09.439 --> 01:11:12.119
come across a few of those over the years, you
1111
01:11:12.159 --> 01:11:14.600
know what do you what do you tell them is
1112
01:11:14.640 --> 01:11:17.800
the best evidence that that's out there? And then what
1113
01:11:17.920 --> 01:11:21.800
could they maybe do to find their own experience or
1114
01:11:21.800 --> 01:11:23.039
to prove it to themselves.
1115
01:11:24.880 --> 01:11:27.359
I mean again, and you have you have to meet
1116
01:11:27.359 --> 01:11:31.039
people where they are. So if it's somebody that's that's
1117
01:11:31.159 --> 01:11:33.800
not like really deep into it, I'll say, look at
1118
01:11:33.800 --> 01:11:36.000
the literature that's out there, right, Like look at Richard
1119
01:11:36.039 --> 01:11:39.479
Dolan's UFOs and the National Security State books. Those are
1120
01:11:39.520 --> 01:11:42.840
fantastic accounts of Like if you want to make a
1121
01:11:42.840 --> 01:11:45.760
good case for the reality of UFOs, just as a
1122
01:11:45.880 --> 01:11:50.640
basic like first layer, right, if somebody has kind of
1123
01:11:50.640 --> 01:11:53.560
a basic level of well, yeah, there might be something
1124
01:11:53.600 --> 01:12:00.800
to UFOs, you can look at like the whistleblower testimony, right,
1125
01:12:00.840 --> 01:12:04.279
which is not just within the past few years, right,
1126
01:12:04.359 --> 01:12:08.840
for decades there's been people coming that have been going
1127
01:12:08.880 --> 01:12:11.880
on the record about this, right, and some are more
1128
01:12:11.960 --> 01:12:16.479
questionable than others, and maybe some are intentionally put that
1129
01:12:16.640 --> 01:12:20.199
out there by the intelligence community to muck things up, right, Like,
1130
01:12:20.239 --> 01:12:25.279
there that does exist, but you know, to the extent
1131
01:12:25.319 --> 01:12:28.680
that an individual is actually going to go out and
1132
01:12:28.720 --> 01:12:32.399
do a CE five is probably like a much lesser
1133
01:12:32.479 --> 01:12:35.840
percentage of just trying to make a good case for
1134
01:12:35.960 --> 01:12:38.279
the reality of UFO. So it's like, to what level
1135
01:12:38.279 --> 01:12:41.840
are you trying to You know, I would never try
1136
01:12:41.880 --> 01:12:44.880
to persuade anybody to do contact work that wasn't willing
1137
01:12:46.239 --> 01:12:48.920
or that didn't have their own inclination to do so,
1138
01:12:49.079 --> 01:12:52.800
because again, you can have a completely positive contact experience
1139
01:12:52.880 --> 01:12:56.199
and it can still be disruptive to your life even
1140
01:12:56.239 --> 01:13:00.600
if it's completely positive. Right, Like you could just be like, oh,
1141
01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:03.880
I'm going to do a CE five and then you
1142
01:13:03.960 --> 01:13:07.720
have an encounter and depending on what level, like there's
1143
01:13:07.760 --> 01:13:11.479
no doubt in your mind that UFOs exist, and maybe
1144
01:13:11.520 --> 01:13:13.880
even you thought you received some kind of message from
1145
01:13:13.920 --> 01:13:15.760
the UFO and now you're going to quit your job
1146
01:13:15.800 --> 01:13:17.800
and leave your family and go to India and study
1147
01:13:17.840 --> 01:13:20.600
in an ashram and do meditation and discover all the
1148
01:13:20.640 --> 01:13:23.159
secrets of the universe, right or who knows, right? Or
1149
01:13:23.199 --> 01:13:25.079
you might just want to do UFOs full time when
1150
01:13:25.119 --> 01:13:27.680
you have a perfectly great career. You know, I wouldn't
1151
01:13:27.680 --> 01:13:33.159
advise that particularly, right, I still work my regular job
1152
01:13:33.520 --> 01:13:37.720
and do this. But you know, to to the extent
1153
01:13:37.800 --> 01:13:44.119
the individual is seeking, right, there's there's different levels of
1154
01:13:44.960 --> 01:13:49.520
evidence all the way from a firsthand UFO experience from
1155
01:13:49.880 --> 01:13:54.359
a contact modality or just doing basic research or seeing
1156
01:13:54.479 --> 01:13:58.600
the information that you know, the basic literature or material
1157
01:13:58.640 --> 01:13:59.159
as out there.
1158
01:13:59.239 --> 01:13:59.399
You know.
1159
01:13:59.439 --> 01:14:04.960
Nowadays, Uh, somebody can go to Chris Leto's YouTube channel
1160
01:14:05.319 --> 01:14:08.479
and watch some interviews and get a good idea of like, Okay,
1161
01:14:08.880 --> 01:14:11.399
it sounds like there's a there's a fundamental reality, like
1162
01:14:11.439 --> 01:14:14.239
there's there's there's something going on right, whether it's government
1163
01:14:14.279 --> 01:14:19.560
programs or non human intelligence and anomalous craft in the sky.
1164
01:14:20.479 --> 01:14:20.880
Uh.
1165
01:14:20.920 --> 01:14:23.079
You know, but somebody might want to go deeper than
1166
01:14:23.119 --> 01:14:28.119
that and do the research that Okay, well, people have
1167
01:14:28.239 --> 01:14:32.279
UFO encounters, but then there's all this psychic phenomenon in
1168
01:14:32.359 --> 01:14:38.600
UFO experiences and what almost could be categorized as religious
1169
01:14:38.680 --> 01:14:43.520
or spiritual experiences and paradigm shift right where somebody's consciousness
1170
01:14:43.800 --> 01:14:47.279
is completely transformed, you know, in a way that you know,
1171
01:14:47.359 --> 01:14:50.960
Jacques Vallet in The Invisible College talks about this doctor
1172
01:14:51.199 --> 01:14:54.800
X who is a medical doctor who's again just a
1173
01:14:54.960 --> 01:14:57.239
kind of like regular medical doctor and has an entire
1174
01:14:57.279 --> 01:15:02.359
spiritual transformation after having these UFOE encounters. So you know,
1175
01:15:02.439 --> 01:15:04.920
to the extent that you want to make the case
1176
01:15:04.960 --> 01:15:09.039
for basic evidence of the UFO reality all the way
1177
01:15:09.079 --> 01:15:11.920
to that. If somebody wants to have their own experience
1178
01:15:12.000 --> 01:15:14.800
is a big question is you know, where's that person
1179
01:15:14.880 --> 01:15:17.560
coming from, and how far are they willing to go
1180
01:15:17.680 --> 01:15:20.399
and basically how much they want to erect their lives?
1181
01:15:22.680 --> 01:15:26.960
Yeah, I guess how bad is your life? Your life situation?
1182
01:15:27.560 --> 01:15:29.600
I do recommend if people are not happy to do
1183
01:15:29.680 --> 01:15:34.279
something different, to make a change, to do something different.
1184
01:15:34.359 --> 01:15:38.279
You know, life, I think doesn't need to be this
1185
01:15:38.800 --> 01:15:41.920
painful experience. If it is for you, I would change something.
1186
01:15:41.960 --> 01:15:44.239
You know, if it's like, what's the definition of stupid
1187
01:15:44.319 --> 01:15:47.279
is doing the same thing over and over again expecting
1188
01:15:47.600 --> 01:15:51.119
a different result, you know, So I would recommend changing.
1189
01:15:52.359 --> 01:15:56.239
Yeah, yeah, and again I mean UFOs it can be
1190
01:15:56.279 --> 01:16:00.920
super interesting. It could be compelling. Yeah, so could meditation
1191
01:16:01.159 --> 01:16:03.960
and that kind of thing. You know, but there there
1192
01:16:04.039 --> 01:16:06.920
is there is also you know we talked about like, oh,
1193
01:16:06.920 --> 01:16:09.079
if you're gonna do UFOs full time, it could drive
1194
01:16:09.079 --> 01:16:12.199
you a little crazy, just because there's intentional disinformation that's
1195
01:16:12.199 --> 01:16:17.520
seeded within within the subject itself. Right, So you could
1196
01:16:17.600 --> 01:16:20.680
you could drive yourself a little crazy if you're just
1197
01:16:20.760 --> 01:16:25.479
doing nothing but UFO research, because you know, some disinformation
1198
01:16:25.600 --> 01:16:29.600
is is just there to provide a steady stream of confusion.
1199
01:16:32.159 --> 01:16:37.520
And I've been practicing meditation I guess now for three years,
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01:16:37.960 --> 01:16:41.880
and I've noted benefits definitely. You mentioned, you know, feeling
1201
01:16:41.920 --> 01:16:48.640
more clear, uh, less tension, less stress, et cetera. Do
1202
01:16:48.680 --> 01:16:52.399
you think for people that do want to attempt some
1203
01:16:52.399 --> 01:16:58.439
sort of contact, do you think meditation is the right avenue?
1204
01:16:58.680 --> 01:17:02.079
I do so. So the way I would talk about
1205
01:17:02.119 --> 01:17:04.680
that is you don't have to be an adept in
1206
01:17:04.800 --> 01:17:10.560
meditation to do contact modalities, but it's certainly helpful in
1207
01:17:10.600 --> 01:17:13.119
a lot of ways. You know. Number one, it helps
1208
01:17:13.840 --> 01:17:17.720
you get into the state of consciousness or awareness that
1209
01:17:17.800 --> 01:17:22.920
I think is productive to actually having successful contact or
1210
01:17:22.960 --> 01:17:28.520
with contact modalities, but also to have a level of discernment.
1211
01:17:28.840 --> 01:17:34.000
Right say, if you are getting impressions of whatever kind,
1212
01:17:35.880 --> 01:17:38.359
if you haven't been practicing meditation a lot, you might
1213
01:17:38.399 --> 01:17:40.960
have more questions of it. Where did this thought come from?
1214
01:17:41.079 --> 01:17:43.880
Is it my own thought? Kind of thing, like, what
1215
01:17:44.000 --> 01:17:45.800
is this impression? And what do I do with it?
1216
01:17:46.239 --> 01:17:48.840
Meditation is going to help you be more discerning and
1217
01:17:48.920 --> 01:17:52.520
less reactive, you know. So there's a number of reasons
1218
01:17:52.520 --> 01:17:57.279
why I would recommend meditation if you were interested in
1219
01:17:57.359 --> 01:18:01.960
something like contact modalities or C five. But in a
1220
01:18:02.079 --> 01:18:06.279
general sense, I'd recommend meditation to anyone in a general
1221
01:18:06.319 --> 01:18:13.119
sense anyways, Right, it's like an exercise for your mind.
1222
01:18:14.560 --> 01:18:16.520
Yeah, I would as well. And you don't need that
1223
01:18:16.640 --> 01:18:20.359
much for me. At ten minutes. If you can do
1224
01:18:20.399 --> 01:18:24.800
it consistently, I think is enough. And I've heard even
1225
01:18:24.840 --> 01:18:28.079
less works. I think it's more. Consistency is the issue.
1226
01:18:28.840 --> 01:18:34.399
Consistency is absolutely the key. And you know whether you're
1227
01:18:34.399 --> 01:18:37.720
doing ten minutes to day or twenty minutes a day,
1228
01:18:38.960 --> 01:18:41.560
there's all different levels. I mean, you can do meditation
1229
01:18:41.680 --> 01:18:46.239
for stress reduction. You could do meditation for like really
1230
01:18:46.279 --> 01:18:50.319
high levels of concentration if you're doing Johnic practices right,
1231
01:18:51.119 --> 01:18:57.000
or SOMEBODI type experiences. So there's and there's different meditation
1232
01:18:57.119 --> 01:19:02.239
practices which will heighten your senses in different aspects depending
1233
01:19:02.239 --> 01:19:05.319
on like what path of development you're going on with
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01:19:05.439 --> 01:19:09.680
meditation for like an open awareness or a more deep
1235
01:19:09.800 --> 01:19:12.199
concentrative type as well.
1236
01:19:13.760 --> 01:19:16.960
And so you've dealt with experiencers at least I know
1237
01:19:17.000 --> 01:19:20.079
you've investigated it through your channel. I'm sure you've talked
1238
01:19:20.079 --> 01:19:25.119
of many experiences on your own podcast. What do you
1239
01:19:25.159 --> 01:19:29.159
consider of the negative experiences? You know, I'll get a
1240
01:19:29.159 --> 01:19:33.359
lot of comments from experiencers who are really seems like
1241
01:19:33.439 --> 01:19:39.479
suffering from from the encounters that they're dealing with, or
1242
01:19:39.520 --> 01:19:42.760
at least they firmly believe that they're dealing with. You know,
1243
01:19:42.800 --> 01:19:46.800
do you think disclosure could possibly help that? Is there
1244
01:19:46.880 --> 01:19:50.520
any motivations for why you're doing this to try and
1245
01:19:50.640 --> 01:19:54.960
present information to help disclosure or is it to maybe
1246
01:19:55.000 --> 01:19:57.720
help these experiencers? I guess what's your thoughts on that?
1247
01:19:59.680 --> 01:20:03.039
Yeah, I do think that transparency is important, that being
1248
01:20:03.079 --> 01:20:06.640
one of the reasons, right. I mean I spoke to
1249
01:20:06.680 --> 01:20:09.720
Jim Semivan about this as well. It's like, you know,
1250
01:20:10.079 --> 01:20:13.199
you know, who were you not Jim, but like whoever's
1251
01:20:13.760 --> 01:20:17.920
gatekeeping or high you know, withholding this information, you know,
1252
01:20:18.159 --> 01:20:21.279
to have the world look at these people like they
1253
01:20:21.279 --> 01:20:23.199
don't know what they're talking about, just because you don't
1254
01:20:23.199 --> 01:20:26.399
want to disclose information like these. If anybody were to
1255
01:20:26.439 --> 01:20:29.239
have a right to disclosure, I mean I think everybody does,
1256
01:20:29.319 --> 01:20:35.520
but for experiences especially right, it's like, you know, you're
1257
01:20:35.560 --> 01:20:41.600
denying their experiences to them, and often experiencers will struggle
1258
01:20:43.159 --> 01:20:47.239
with their own size, you know, psychology thinking like they
1259
01:20:47.279 --> 01:20:49.560
have to question it. They know what happened, but there's
1260
01:20:49.600 --> 01:20:52.640
still a part of them that has to question the
1261
01:20:52.760 --> 01:20:56.960
consensus reality of the government saying this never happened, which
1262
01:20:57.000 --> 01:21:01.159
is which is insane, right that they would have to
1263
01:21:01.159 --> 01:21:06.640
even feel like that. I don't want to I don't
1264
01:21:06.640 --> 01:21:08.840
want to make the associations to all these other things.
1265
01:21:08.840 --> 01:21:12.279
But that's like telling somebody like racism doesn't exist or
1266
01:21:12.359 --> 01:21:15.439
rape doesn't exist, and you have people who have experienced
1267
01:21:15.479 --> 01:21:17.840
that and deeply affected them and you're telling them it
1268
01:21:17.880 --> 01:21:23.520
doesn't exist. That's that's absolute absurdness, you know. So I
1269
01:21:23.920 --> 01:21:29.319
think transparency is important, you know, definitely so these people
1270
01:21:29.359 --> 01:21:32.560
because you know, once there is like some kind of disclosure,
1271
01:21:32.640 --> 01:21:35.479
now you have to take all these accounts seriously. But
1272
01:21:35.600 --> 01:21:39.119
also you can provide resources for these people, right, Like
1273
01:21:39.960 --> 01:21:45.520
who do these people talk to? Right? And And in
1274
01:21:45.560 --> 01:21:47.760
a way, I guess it would be validating for people
1275
01:21:47.800 --> 01:21:52.600
who have had such experiences because it's almost like they've
1276
01:21:52.600 --> 01:21:56.039
had their reality denied, right in a consensus way. And
1277
01:21:56.119 --> 01:22:01.239
now you have people who have an experience, they can't
1278
01:22:01.279 --> 01:22:02.800
just go out and talk about it. I mean, some
1279
01:22:02.840 --> 01:22:05.760
of them are brave enough to write, but like you
1280
01:22:05.800 --> 01:22:08.720
don't want to necessarily talk about the stuff at work
1281
01:22:08.760 --> 01:22:12.039
and whatever, so you're you have you have a compartmentalized
1282
01:22:13.119 --> 01:22:16.000
aspect of your reality that you're you're holding within you,
1283
01:22:16.920 --> 01:22:20.640
and that that could be like psychologically damaging. Right, So
1284
01:22:22.119 --> 01:22:25.119
to me, it's absurd that that that reality is denied
1285
01:22:25.720 --> 01:22:32.680
to experiences, especially right. But at the same time, without transparency,
1286
01:22:32.680 --> 01:22:36.319
it's like we're living in like on flat earth, Like
1287
01:22:36.520 --> 01:22:39.880
you're literally hiding an aspect of reality that's fundamental to
1288
01:22:39.920 --> 01:22:43.359
our existence from your worthholding that from the people. I
1289
01:22:43.359 --> 01:22:46.600
think that's that it's it's detrimental in my opinion.
1290
01:22:48.159 --> 01:22:52.479
So you're a proponent of disclosure because you think in
1291
01:22:52.520 --> 01:22:56.399
the end it's detrimental to humanity and our system in general.
1292
01:22:57.600 --> 01:23:00.359
I mean, just you know, there's a lot of ways
1293
01:23:00.359 --> 01:23:02.840
you can explore that conversation, even if you're just looking
1294
01:23:02.960 --> 01:23:06.640
from like a functional government way. Like it's obvious to
1295
01:23:06.680 --> 01:23:09.479
anybody watching the ship show going on with Congress and
1296
01:23:09.520 --> 01:23:12.000
the whole thing now that this thing has been a
1297
01:23:12.079 --> 01:23:16.119
cancer withinside the United States government and probably other governments
1298
01:23:16.319 --> 01:23:22.159
that's eroded any type of what we consider democracy, right
1299
01:23:22.199 --> 01:23:27.239
and oversight and normal functioning government. The whole you know
1300
01:23:27.319 --> 01:23:32.880
that that's a whole conversation with them itself. At the
1301
01:23:32.880 --> 01:23:36.479
same time, like we need UFO disclosure and transparency. But
1302
01:23:36.680 --> 01:23:41.359
at the same time, even if there was such a thing,
1303
01:23:41.560 --> 01:23:44.840
like we have to really consider that we're going to
1304
01:23:44.920 --> 01:23:49.960
be receiving this disclosure from the same people who withheld
1305
01:23:50.000 --> 01:23:54.840
it this whole time. So even if there is like
1306
01:23:54.880 --> 01:23:57.840
a kind of disclosure, everybody, you know, nobody's guards should
1307
01:23:57.840 --> 01:24:02.800
be let down, right, people still have to be have
1308
01:24:03.079 --> 01:24:06.399
a sense of caution to whatever information is being disclosed,
1309
01:24:07.199 --> 01:24:11.720
because you know, I'm skeptical to the level of disclosure
1310
01:24:11.720 --> 01:24:14.399
that we're going to receive and what the intention is
1311
01:24:14.479 --> 01:24:18.000
behind it, right, Like, are we going to receive disclosure
1312
01:24:18.039 --> 01:24:19.720
because it's the right thing to do, or we're going
1313
01:24:19.800 --> 01:24:23.000
to disclosure because get disclosure because there's some kind of
1314
01:24:25.520 --> 01:24:30.239
alternative ulterior motives. And I'm sure there's there's a mix
1315
01:24:31.520 --> 01:24:33.479
of all of those things, because I'm sure that there
1316
01:24:33.479 --> 01:24:36.760
are people in in you know, within those groups that
1317
01:24:36.880 --> 01:24:40.119
want disclosure for the right reasons. But I'm also sure
1318
01:24:40.159 --> 01:24:43.720
that there's others that will only utilize disclosure for whether
1319
01:24:43.760 --> 01:24:46.399
it's defense contracts or whatever their agenda.
1320
01:24:46.079 --> 01:24:50.520
Is without a doubt and I receive a lot of
1321
01:24:50.560 --> 01:24:54.680
comments from after the Jim semi Van We mentioned him
1322
01:24:54.680 --> 01:24:59.800
a couple of times after that interview. Is people, you know,
1323
01:25:00.119 --> 01:25:04.800
sincerely distrust anyone who had worked in the government before
1324
01:25:05.199 --> 01:25:08.039
they When Louel Zondo came out, you get so many
1325
01:25:08.039 --> 01:25:11.640
haters against Louil Zondo because he's counterintelligence, which he was.
1326
01:25:12.079 --> 01:25:14.880
You could Jake Barber, so many people came out against
1327
01:25:14.960 --> 01:25:19.000
him because you know, he says he was actually red teaming.
1328
01:25:19.199 --> 01:25:24.039
Was he went to collect information at Stephen Greer's disclosure
1329
01:25:24.079 --> 01:25:26.399
event in twenty twenty three, and that's how he saw
1330
01:25:26.520 --> 01:25:31.439
my Carrera. But my Carera's testimony changed his mind. You
1331
01:25:31.479 --> 01:25:33.279
had Jim semi Van right, he was in the CIA
1332
01:25:33.399 --> 01:25:35.439
for thirty four years. I get those comments a lot.
1333
01:25:35.479 --> 01:25:39.000
You know, was a spook, always a spook. So you
1334
01:25:39.079 --> 01:25:45.079
really highlighted this this tension between If the government is
1335
01:25:45.159 --> 01:25:48.319
hiding these programs, the crash, the tribal programs, it certainly
1336
01:25:48.319 --> 01:25:52.119
appears that way, then the only people that are going
1337
01:25:52.199 --> 01:25:55.760
to really give us that information as whistleblowers will be
1338
01:25:55.760 --> 01:25:58.039
people that were in the program. Right, So how do
1339
01:25:58.119 --> 01:26:01.319
we how can we get in each trustible information or
1340
01:26:01.319 --> 01:26:04.840
information that we can consider credible if it's from the
1341
01:26:04.880 --> 01:26:08.720
same people that are coming from this organization that has
1342
01:26:08.880 --> 01:26:12.119
been withholding the information for so many decades. I don't know,
1343
01:26:12.479 --> 01:26:14.880
do you think we can trust any of these guys.
1344
01:26:16.359 --> 01:26:19.600
I think that they're like just that phase value. They're
1345
01:26:19.640 --> 01:26:22.840
people just like us. Right, there's people within the government
1346
01:26:22.840 --> 01:26:29.000
that are experiencers, so the first things versus their people, right, Like,
1347
01:26:29.199 --> 01:26:34.600
I would never aim to dehumanize anybody. You know, there's
1348
01:26:36.159 --> 01:26:39.439
to the extent that you understand their function and their role.
1349
01:26:40.800 --> 01:26:43.960
That's something that you have to keep in mind. You
1350
01:26:44.039 --> 01:26:49.840
have to evaluate whatever information comes forward, and and I mean,
1351
01:26:49.880 --> 01:26:53.000
what else can you do, right, Like, I don't think
1352
01:26:53.199 --> 01:26:58.239
Phil Corso was some kind of syop So there's going
1353
01:26:58.319 --> 01:27:00.520
to be different people with different intentions, and you just
1354
01:27:00.560 --> 01:27:03.119
have to try to judge, evaluate and validate whatever you
1355
01:27:03.199 --> 01:27:07.760
can of whatever information becomes out and is available. I
1356
01:27:07.800 --> 01:27:11.439
think that, like good information stands the test of time.
1357
01:27:13.159 --> 01:27:16.239
Of course, you know, we can only have patience with that,
1358
01:27:16.840 --> 01:27:22.600
so you know, ultimately, I've heard people say that disclosure
1359
01:27:22.640 --> 01:27:25.359
has to come from the people, and you know, to
1360
01:27:25.399 --> 01:27:28.000
the extent that can happen, great, I don't know to
1361
01:27:28.039 --> 01:27:32.680
what extent that can happen ultimately, And you know, my
1362
01:27:32.760 --> 01:27:37.640
friend Ryan Robbins will often point this out is you know,
1363
01:27:38.159 --> 01:27:40.439
people call him, you know he's at UFO Jesus post
1364
01:27:40.439 --> 01:27:47.520
disclosure world. You know, the phenomenon could end disclosure tomorrow, right, Like, ultimately,
1365
01:27:47.560 --> 01:27:52.720
the phenomenon is running the show. As far as disclosure. Obviously,
1366
01:27:53.199 --> 01:27:56.640
our government, United States government or other governments could disclose.
1367
01:27:58.760 --> 01:28:03.520
And even even let's say whistleblowers or insiders, they only
1368
01:28:03.600 --> 01:28:08.640
have compartmentalized information that they were exposed to, so they
1369
01:28:08.640 --> 01:28:11.960
don't even have the full truth. Number one. Number two
1370
01:28:13.199 --> 01:28:17.159
is certain whistle blowers or any whistle blower could be
1371
01:28:17.239 --> 01:28:21.399
given certain information, particularly because they might come out with
1372
01:28:21.479 --> 01:28:26.640
it right. So you could have somebody who's in intelligence
1373
01:28:26.680 --> 01:28:32.279
who's completely they're they're completely well meaning and they are
1374
01:28:32.359 --> 01:28:35.239
trying to put forward information, but they've been given information
1375
01:28:35.319 --> 01:28:38.279
that was given to them so because so they would
1376
01:28:38.319 --> 01:28:43.279
put it out right. So yeah, this is it's it's
1377
01:28:43.279 --> 01:28:46.520
a it's a growing, it's evolving process, and it's it's
1378
01:28:46.560 --> 01:28:49.520
hard to imagine that it's gonna happen anytime within the
1379
01:28:49.640 --> 01:28:52.119
like if something were to be disclosed, like within the
1380
01:28:52.159 --> 01:28:55.479
next year or some kind of thing like that, you
1381
01:28:55.560 --> 01:28:59.359
have to remain skeptical. But you also, I mean, I
1382
01:28:59.359 --> 01:29:02.119
don't think you should dehumanize any of these individuals, right.
1383
01:29:03.000 --> 01:29:08.119
I think some of them definitely do want some level
1384
01:29:08.159 --> 01:29:13.520
of disclosure. But again, we can never know somebody's intentions,
1385
01:29:14.399 --> 01:29:17.920
so you just have to evaluate the information for what
1386
01:29:17.960 --> 01:29:20.800
it is and see if it checks out.
1387
01:29:21.359 --> 01:29:23.640
Yeah, and I say that as Devil's advocate. You know,
1388
01:29:23.680 --> 01:29:28.479
I'm a huge, very appreciative of all those people. I mentioned,
1389
01:29:28.520 --> 01:29:31.000
all the whistleblowers coming out, and like you said, I
1390
01:29:31.000 --> 01:29:33.920
think you're probably correct. And I've been shown in the
1391
01:29:33.920 --> 01:29:38.560
past to be true that we've had disinformation campaigns, that
1392
01:29:38.600 --> 01:29:42.000
there has been syops, but I would argue that they're
1393
01:29:42.039 --> 01:29:46.479
on little small cases. You know, you have like Richard Dody,
1394
01:29:46.960 --> 01:29:50.960
where you have small operations. I think the preponderance of
1395
01:29:51.000 --> 01:29:55.800
whistleblowers is going to be in the end, I hope
1396
01:29:55.840 --> 01:29:58.960
some sort of like tidal wave effect, whereas you can't
1397
01:29:59.000 --> 01:30:03.079
disinformation to symformize everything. Right, that made up that verb
1398
01:30:04.119 --> 01:30:06.680
at some point, Yeah, like you said that it will
1399
01:30:06.760 --> 01:30:10.039
endure the test at time, and I think like we're
1400
01:30:10.039 --> 01:30:13.720
finding now, we're finding serial killers, you know, from fifty
1401
01:30:13.920 --> 01:30:16.920
sixty years ago. Now they track them down because you know,
1402
01:30:17.039 --> 01:30:21.159
somebody's their cousin went and got a DNA test, and
1403
01:30:21.439 --> 01:30:24.319
so there's technology that they didn't know about at that time.
1404
01:30:24.399 --> 01:30:28.439
Right they're clearing their fingerprints. They know how to clear
1405
01:30:28.720 --> 01:30:31.760
the you know, to wipe the information clean based on
1406
01:30:31.800 --> 01:30:35.479
the technology known at that time. But as we move forward, Oh,
1407
01:30:35.479 --> 01:30:37.960
we learned about DNA and it turns out, oh, actually
1408
01:30:38.039 --> 01:30:40.880
your DNA can be tested at a certain level, you know,
1409
01:30:41.119 --> 01:30:44.600
way way more accurate than your than your fingerprints, and
1410
01:30:44.640 --> 01:30:48.520
it can link through your genetics. So I personally think
1411
01:30:48.560 --> 01:30:51.000
with with AI, as we get more information, I think
1412
01:30:51.039 --> 01:30:54.600
AI is going to be a great equalizer and anything
1413
01:30:54.680 --> 01:30:58.199
going on now. I mean, just imagine all the cameras,
1414
01:30:58.760 --> 01:31:01.199
everything out there. There's going to be new technology that
1415
01:31:01.239 --> 01:31:04.800
we don't know about yet. So in the future, I
1416
01:31:04.800 --> 01:31:06.319
think all of this is going to come out. It'll
1417
01:31:06.359 --> 01:31:08.399
just be how long do we have to wait? You know,
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is it going to have to be another seventy years?
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Is it going to be seven? I keep hearing twenty
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01:31:12.720 --> 01:31:15.600
twenty seven. That's going to be like this magical year
1421
01:31:15.880 --> 01:31:18.239
or something. Some crazy events going to happen in twenty
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01:31:18.279 --> 01:31:23.479
twenty seven. So I don't know. I hope something happens,
1423
01:31:24.279 --> 01:31:27.760
but personally, I think it has to do with more
1424
01:31:27.800 --> 01:31:30.960
than we can currently perceive, you know, I get a
1425
01:31:31.439 --> 01:31:35.520
it seems like there's two camps on my channel. Is
1426
01:31:35.600 --> 01:31:38.239
there's like the nuts and bolts camp, and then there's
1427
01:31:38.239 --> 01:31:41.119
the people that will accept more WU, you know, and
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01:31:41.159 --> 01:31:45.079
the nuts and bolts people don't like the consciousness discussions,
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01:31:45.119 --> 01:31:47.239
I think, or you know, it gets too wo it's
1430
01:31:47.239 --> 01:31:50.880
too subjective. There's not the hard evidence that they're looking for.
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01:31:51.079 --> 01:31:54.199
But it seems like everything's pointing to a deeper reality
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01:31:54.199 --> 01:31:56.520
than we can just measure with nuts and bolts.
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01:31:57.479 --> 01:31:59.840
Yeah, I mean, And the funny part about that is
1434
01:32:00.079 --> 01:32:02.600
like I almost think that there's more evidence for psychic
1435
01:32:02.640 --> 01:32:04.640
research if you look at like Dean Rating's work and
1436
01:32:04.720 --> 01:32:10.760
many others Ryan and that there is for for the
1437
01:32:10.840 --> 01:32:13.560
nuts in both UFOs and crash retrievals, right, And not
1438
01:32:13.880 --> 01:32:16.840
to say that there's no evidence, but there's a tremendous
1439
01:32:16.880 --> 01:32:22.159
amount of research being done on parapsychology or psychic phenomenon
1440
01:32:22.720 --> 01:32:25.399
and I really hope something comes out with this the
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01:32:25.439 --> 01:32:30.840
telepathy tapes that speaks more to that. You know in
1442
01:32:30.880 --> 01:32:35.359
some recent interviews I did, I interviewed this woman and
1443
01:32:35.600 --> 01:32:37.800
you know she was doing the scene without eyes thing,
1444
01:32:38.479 --> 01:32:40.640
and I know people are going to be extremely skeptical
1445
01:32:40.640 --> 01:32:45.520
about that, and I understand it, right, But you know
1446
01:32:45.600 --> 01:32:49.760
the work that that doctor Diane Hennessy Powell is doing
1447
01:32:51.119 --> 01:32:54.880
with like the telepathy tapes and studying that phenomena, that
1448
01:32:55.199 --> 01:32:58.479
that stuff might be come out first before disclosure, then
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01:32:58.560 --> 01:33:07.399
what right? And really in a vast majority of close encountercases,
1450
01:33:07.479 --> 01:33:12.880
people have this consciousness connection, and I mean some of
1451
01:33:12.920 --> 01:33:17.880
it it might be facilitated through technology, right, like with
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01:33:18.840 --> 01:33:23.680
non human intelligence technology rather than just straight up mental
1453
01:33:23.720 --> 01:33:28.079
telepathy using just the mind or consciousness. So I think
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01:33:28.079 --> 01:33:31.239
there's different levels and layers to that. I mean, even
1455
01:33:31.600 --> 01:33:34.880
with today's technology. If you look at slide nine, right,
1456
01:33:35.680 --> 01:33:41.840
the A tip briefing slide, it talks about cognitive human interface,
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01:33:41.880 --> 01:33:45.279
which when I interviewed Louell Zondo, he said, that's basically
1458
01:33:45.319 --> 01:33:49.920
like your CE five, right, But on that slide they're
1459
01:33:49.960 --> 01:33:57.479
also talking about psychotronics and technology or even mental influence
1460
01:33:57.520 --> 01:34:00.880
over world leaders. Right. It's talking about in a specific way,
1461
01:34:00.920 --> 01:34:05.479
but in the fine writing and the fine print it
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01:34:05.560 --> 01:34:08.600
says that DoD already has these capabilities and they've been
1463
01:34:08.640 --> 01:34:14.880
experimenting with it. So you have the technological psychotronic way
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01:34:14.920 --> 01:34:19.279
where in ten years we're gonna you might be able
1465
01:34:19.319 --> 01:34:21.960
to just beam technology. You might just be able to
1466
01:34:22.000 --> 01:34:25.600
beam your thoughts to somebody through neuralink. Right. Elon Musk
1467
01:34:25.640 --> 01:34:29.079
created the like a patent called telepathy or something like that,
1468
01:34:31.319 --> 01:34:35.079
but also the very like human innate quality of telepathy
1469
01:34:35.159 --> 01:34:38.439
or precognition or you know, these different things that people
1470
01:34:38.520 --> 01:34:42.279
experience during near death experiences. I think that, you know,
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01:34:42.439 --> 01:34:47.680
both are fascinating, and I think that the consciousness nature
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01:34:47.760 --> 01:34:53.279
reality aspect is is kind of like the big takeaway
1473
01:34:53.279 --> 01:34:59.680
from UFOs, right, because the idea that that there's UFOs,
1474
01:34:59.680 --> 01:35:03.079
like there's metalcraft and there's aliens from some other planet
1475
01:35:03.199 --> 01:35:07.119
or star system. It's fascinating, right, But we almost take
1476
01:35:07.159 --> 01:35:10.000
that kind of idea from granted, you know, via sci
1477
01:35:10.039 --> 01:35:13.960
fi right, like would not be shocking to anybody, but
1478
01:35:14.000 --> 01:35:17.199
that there's this idea that there's like these other dimensions
1479
01:35:17.199 --> 01:35:19.079
and that time is not what you think it is
1480
01:35:20.039 --> 01:35:24.159
and everybody is intimately connected on the consciousness level is
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01:35:24.159 --> 01:35:29.640
a much deeper paradigm shift, I think, and even for
1482
01:35:29.760 --> 01:35:33.880
me when I had the daylight UFO siding thing, right, Like,
1483
01:35:34.920 --> 01:35:40.119
seeing the UFO and broad daylight was like was I
1484
01:35:40.119 --> 01:35:43.920
guess like shocking and really cool and all that. But
1485
01:35:44.000 --> 01:35:46.399
the part of that experience that blow me away was
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01:35:46.479 --> 01:35:49.800
not seeing a UFO and broad daylight and maybe there's
1487
01:35:49.800 --> 01:35:52.560
some entities there or not. What blew me away was
1488
01:35:52.600 --> 01:35:56.800
the chain of events that occurred for deciding to happen, right, like,
1489
01:35:56.840 --> 01:35:59.600
what does that even mean? How were these people telling
1490
01:35:59.640 --> 01:36:02.439
me these things? And then I had this crazy dream
1491
01:36:02.840 --> 01:36:05.680
and then I saw the UFO, right like, what the
1492
01:36:05.680 --> 01:36:09.399
hell was all that about? So I think that that
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01:36:09.600 --> 01:36:14.720
aspect of the consciousness says way more, is much more
1494
01:36:14.760 --> 01:36:17.800
profound than just like, oh, there's other intelligence in the
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01:36:17.800 --> 01:36:19.880
world and in the universe.
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01:36:21.439 --> 01:36:25.119
Yeah, I'm just finishing it edit on a video that'll
1497
01:36:25.159 --> 01:36:27.399
come out before this one. So if you are interested
1498
01:36:28.119 --> 01:36:32.079
in evidence for telepathy, then check out my last video.
1499
01:36:32.560 --> 01:36:36.319
But it basically what I found is the Gunsfeld experiments,
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01:36:36.720 --> 01:36:42.119
which is where one person imagines to try and pass
1501
01:36:42.159 --> 01:36:44.560
information to another person and they'll put the other person
1502
01:36:44.600 --> 01:36:47.640
in fara day cage, et cetera. So no actual electromagnetic
1503
01:36:47.960 --> 01:36:50.920
interactions should be passed along. But these have been done
1504
01:36:50.920 --> 01:36:53.159
for many years and you have many different studies. There's
1505
01:36:53.199 --> 01:36:57.199
meta studies on it. But basically there is higher statistical
1506
01:36:57.199 --> 01:37:00.520
evidence up to five point four to eight sigma for
1507
01:37:00.560 --> 01:37:04.199
these telepathy experiments than there is for the Higgs boson,
1508
01:37:04.720 --> 01:37:09.439
which was sigma five point zero. Also interesting is they
1509
01:37:09.479 --> 01:37:13.319
call all these telepathy experiments pseudoscience, right, and they say
1510
01:37:13.359 --> 01:37:18.119
that there's they came up with the actual statistical analysis
1511
01:37:18.199 --> 01:37:23.199
was flawed because they combined statistics from multiple studies. Well,
1512
01:37:23.239 --> 01:37:25.760
it turns out that the Higgs boson did exactly the
1513
01:37:25.760 --> 01:37:28.920
same thing, right to reach five sigma. They actually combined
1514
01:37:28.960 --> 01:37:33.359
CMS and ATLAS, so two different experiments that didn't have
1515
01:37:33.439 --> 01:37:35.680
five sigma right, they had a three point two and
1516
01:37:35.720 --> 01:37:37.920
I think at two point six something like that, but
1517
01:37:37.960 --> 01:37:41.560
they combined these other two experiments together to create that
1518
01:37:41.600 --> 01:37:46.800
five sigma proof, which five sigma standard deviations is basically
1519
01:37:46.920 --> 01:37:52.479
statistical proof and physics that it's real. So that proved
1520
01:37:52.560 --> 01:37:57.000
the higg Boson to five used the same exact statistical
1521
01:37:57.079 --> 01:38:01.680
analysis techniques for telepathy, you get a higher sigma five
1522
01:38:01.720 --> 01:38:04.920
point four to eight, and yet that's pseudoscience, and higgs
1523
01:38:04.920 --> 01:38:09.800
boson they get Nobel prizes and fifty billion dollars total investment,
1524
01:38:09.920 --> 01:38:12.800
and you mentioned there's all this money being devoted to
1525
01:38:13.600 --> 01:38:17.319
SI experiments, and there absolutely is not. Like I think,
1526
01:38:17.359 --> 01:38:20.520
annually it's less than two point three million dollars, which
1527
01:38:20.560 --> 01:38:26.199
is essentially pittance if you look, you know, for quantum computers,
1528
01:38:26.319 --> 01:38:28.800
I believe there's over two billion dollars a year, and
1529
01:38:28.880 --> 01:38:33.159
there's zero practical applications right now for quantum computers. And
1530
01:38:33.279 --> 01:38:36.119
just like fusion, it's been you know, twenty or twenty
1531
01:38:36.159 --> 01:38:41.039
years away. Jensen, CEO of Nvidia, just recently said, you know,
1532
01:38:41.119 --> 01:38:44.000
we're you know, fifteen years is probably too soon for
1533
01:38:44.079 --> 01:38:47.079
quantum computers, and thirty years is probably too late. So
1534
01:38:47.239 --> 01:38:49.880
just like fusion, which has been the same thing for
1535
01:38:50.000 --> 01:38:53.600
seventy years, it's always twenty years away. And so we're
1536
01:38:53.920 --> 01:38:58.840
kind of the same cycle epicycle, if you will, for
1537
01:38:59.039 --> 01:39:03.720
UFO research, as we are for telepathy research, where it's
1538
01:39:03.760 --> 01:39:08.600
just called pseudoscience by the mainstream. And meanwhile, they'll promote
1539
01:39:09.600 --> 01:39:13.520
science to a lower statistical level and give Nobel prizes
1540
01:39:13.560 --> 01:39:15.560
to each other and congratulate each other and give each
1541
01:39:15.560 --> 01:39:19.399
other billions of dollars when they have received zero technical applications.
1542
01:39:19.960 --> 01:39:22.479
So I think you bring up a great point, and
1543
01:39:22.520 --> 01:39:24.279
that's really why I've been really interested, or one of
1544
01:39:24.319 --> 01:39:28.399
the reasons in these the telepathy tapes as well as
1545
01:39:28.479 --> 01:39:31.600
telepathy in general. I know Rupert Sheldric, He's done a
1546
01:39:31.640 --> 01:39:34.840
bunch of work on this as well, and again everyone
1547
01:39:34.880 --> 01:39:39.960
calls it pseudoscience. He gets zero funding, he's ostracized. So
1548
01:39:40.199 --> 01:39:43.359
I guess I see that as the next big breakthrough
1549
01:39:43.520 --> 01:39:48.920
is telepathy with physics. I think that's also been in
1550
01:39:49.000 --> 01:39:51.960
the same boat. You can lump mainstream physics. I mentioned
1551
01:39:52.000 --> 01:39:55.600
the Higgs boson, I mentioned fusion. It's also those are
1552
01:39:55.680 --> 01:39:59.720
just blowing billions of dollars. I mentioned quantum computers, blowing
1553
01:39:59.720 --> 01:40:02.399
billion of dollars on these projects that haven't worked for
1554
01:40:02.479 --> 01:40:06.399
literally decades, multiple decades, thirty years with quantum computers, seventy
1555
01:40:06.479 --> 01:40:11.359
years for fusion Higgs bosons, twenty years. We haven't received
1556
01:40:11.359 --> 01:40:16.399
any technical applications. And yet all these other things, telepathy,
1557
01:40:17.560 --> 01:40:23.199
conscious interactions, near death experiences, we're not going to look
1558
01:40:23.239 --> 01:40:24.880
into that at all. You know, that has nothing to
1559
01:40:24.920 --> 01:40:30.479
do with reality or the human condition, which I think
1560
01:40:30.560 --> 01:40:34.000
is just ridiculous. So I see that hopefully changing in
1561
01:40:34.039 --> 01:40:36.840
the near future, and so thanks for all your work
1562
01:40:36.880 --> 01:40:40.760
and everything you've done looking into this subject. It's very
1563
01:40:40.760 --> 01:40:43.800
interesting as well as a final question, you know, what
1564
01:40:43.840 --> 01:40:47.119
do you see or what are you excited about for
1565
01:40:47.159 --> 01:40:50.640
the future of humanity in full? What do you think
1566
01:40:50.680 --> 01:40:52.920
it is it means to be a human and what
1567
01:40:52.960 --> 01:40:56.119
do you think what would you speculate the future of
1568
01:40:56.199 --> 01:40:57.079
humanity looks like?
1569
01:40:59.159 --> 01:41:04.680
Complete? Utope? I mean I would hope, right, I mean,
1570
01:41:04.720 --> 01:41:08.399
I think that we'll make it, right. I'm generally an
1571
01:41:08.399 --> 01:41:14.720
optimistic person. And again I think we're we're you know,
1572
01:41:14.840 --> 01:41:18.920
over time, we're going to greatly you know, discover who
1573
01:41:18.960 --> 01:41:24.520
we are right this, you know, the UAP question is
1574
01:41:24.640 --> 01:41:30.039
like this question ultimately, like are we alone in the universe? Right? Ultimately,
1575
01:41:30.039 --> 01:41:33.600
That's what it comes down to. And the answer to that,
1576
01:41:33.800 --> 01:41:37.439
I think, in my opinion and experience is no, We're
1577
01:41:37.479 --> 01:41:38.000
not alone.
1578
01:41:38.720 --> 01:41:38.880
Uh.
1579
01:41:39.079 --> 01:41:41.520
You know Number two, the whole telepathy thing, right, like
1580
01:41:41.560 --> 01:41:42.479
the telepathy tapes.
1581
01:41:43.840 --> 01:41:43.920
Uh.
1582
01:41:44.000 --> 01:41:46.439
You know there's doing studies at Stanford and Harvard. I
1583
01:41:46.479 --> 01:41:49.000
believe on that and that information is going to come out.
1584
01:41:49.520 --> 01:41:53.359
So you have like this you the UFO reality thing, Uh,
1585
01:41:53.680 --> 01:41:58.960
this kind of telepathy consciousness thing, and even like the
1586
01:41:59.199 --> 01:42:02.039
stuff that I Another thing I found fascinating that I
1587
01:42:02.039 --> 01:42:04.159
think is tied in with all of that is our
1588
01:42:04.199 --> 01:42:08.439
ancient history thing. And I think like, like these things
1589
01:42:08.479 --> 01:42:11.039
are all coming out right. Like again, like you said,
1590
01:42:11.039 --> 01:42:14.039
there's no way if this is all true, it's you
1591
01:42:14.079 --> 01:42:15.920
can't hide it in the in the world that we're
1592
01:42:16.000 --> 01:42:19.239
coming into with AI and and the nature of the
1593
01:42:19.279 --> 01:42:22.159
Internet and the nature of things coming out like ultimately,
1594
01:42:22.199 --> 01:42:24.960
like we have people like you know, Jake barber And
1595
01:42:24.960 --> 01:42:29.520
and Louel Lazando, Jim Semi, Van Jay Stratton, these people
1596
01:42:29.560 --> 01:42:32.399
are coming forward in the right way. You know what
1597
01:42:32.800 --> 01:42:35.520
if one day one of some whistleblower from one of
1598
01:42:35.520 --> 01:42:37.960
these programs just says, ef it, I'm just gonna throw
1599
01:42:38.000 --> 01:42:41.720
everything on the line and bypass every safety measure and
1600
01:42:41.840 --> 01:42:45.039
just put everything I know out on a video on
1601
01:42:45.079 --> 01:42:50.039
the Internet, and just like catastrophic disclosure, right, that could happen.
1602
01:42:51.760 --> 01:42:56.279
But again, I think that all these things are coming
1603
01:42:56.319 --> 01:42:58.680
out or you know, we're learning more about it what
1604
01:42:58.720 --> 01:43:03.760
it means to be human, right, and I hope that
1605
01:43:03.760 --> 01:43:08.319
that ultimately, you know, leads to us being kinder to
1606
01:43:08.359 --> 01:43:11.720
one another. Right, Like in the UFO space, there's a
1607
01:43:11.720 --> 01:43:14.680
lot of people jabbing at each other and riff raffing,
1608
01:43:14.760 --> 01:43:17.640
and that's human nature and tribalism. And I get that.
1609
01:43:17.680 --> 01:43:21.479
But if you if we can't get along amongst each
1610
01:43:21.520 --> 01:43:24.439
other and be decent, like what the hell is the reason?
1611
01:43:24.520 --> 01:43:27.279
You know, what's the point of disclosure? Anyways? Like you
1612
01:43:27.319 --> 01:43:29.039
think we're gonna be able to get along with those
1613
01:43:29.159 --> 01:43:31.479
entities if we can't even get our own stuff together
1614
01:43:31.520 --> 01:43:34.399
and like be nice to one one another. So, I mean,
1615
01:43:34.479 --> 01:43:37.920
I think just general decency and kindness towards one another
1616
01:43:38.159 --> 01:43:44.319
is like just like basic humanity stuff. I mean, none,
1617
01:43:44.479 --> 01:43:47.359
none of this other stuff matters if we can't do that, right, Like,
1618
01:43:47.399 --> 01:43:52.159
what's the point of having zero point energy if we're
1619
01:43:52.199 --> 01:43:56.199
just gonna use it against each other? Right? Like, So
1620
01:43:56.840 --> 01:44:01.439
my ultimate takeaway with that is like be a decent
1621
01:44:01.479 --> 01:44:05.720
person and you know, but also ultimately, like just like
1622
01:44:05.760 --> 01:44:07.920
my experience has showed me like it's a miracle to
1623
01:44:07.920 --> 01:44:11.319
be even to even be here, to be alive, you know,
1624
01:44:11.720 --> 01:44:14.720
just appreciate that and make the best of it. Because
1625
01:44:14.760 --> 01:44:17.159
if you're not making the best of it, you're not
1626
01:44:17.199 --> 01:44:20.119
gonna have the best time, that's for sure.
1627
01:44:20.279 --> 01:44:24.439
I think make a change. I will say one comment
1628
01:44:24.479 --> 01:44:27.199
you know, you hear about this this idea that everything
1629
01:44:27.279 --> 01:44:32.319
is one, that we're all connected, and I and I
1630
01:44:32.359 --> 01:44:35.199
tend to think if everything is one, then maybe we
1631
01:44:35.239 --> 01:44:39.239
are alone. And that's why, that's what this whole reality is.
1632
01:44:39.399 --> 01:44:42.960
You know, maybe we're just tired of being alone. Yeah,
1633
01:44:43.119 --> 01:44:47.399
so we split, you know, you split yourself. But anyway,
1634
01:44:47.479 --> 01:44:50.319
that's just a fanciful thinking, if you will.
1635
01:44:50.399 --> 01:44:52.159
But I dig that.
1636
01:44:53.119 --> 01:44:55.000
But thank you so much, James, Thanks for your time.
1637
01:44:55.680 --> 01:44:59.439
Please go and check out Engaging the Phenomenon anything else
1638
01:44:59.439 --> 01:45:00.760
you want to say you but you have a new
1639
01:45:01.520 --> 01:45:02.439
podcast as well.
1640
01:45:03.800 --> 01:45:06.239
Yeah, I do have a new podcast for people who
1641
01:45:06.760 --> 01:45:08.760
want to go deep on the consciousness end of things
1642
01:45:08.760 --> 01:45:11.840
and even into like meditative practices. I'm gonna have meditation
1643
01:45:11.960 --> 01:45:15.560
teachers on there of like, how can you actually if
1644
01:45:15.560 --> 01:45:18.720
you're interested in consciousness, you know, how can you actually
1645
01:45:18.840 --> 01:45:22.199
practically get involved in that space right through a regular
1646
01:45:22.239 --> 01:45:27.039
practice or philosophy. And that's called exploring higher realities? And
1647
01:45:27.079 --> 01:45:29.399
that that's like a new channel I have going right now.
1648
01:45:29.439 --> 01:45:35.159
So again that is me exploring the consciousness aspect of
1649
01:45:35.199 --> 01:45:38.520
things without necessarily having to tie it to UFOs. A
1650
01:45:38.560 --> 01:45:42.119
lot of people are on the Engaging the Phenomenon Channel
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and podcasts because it's coming at it from a UFO angle,
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but it doesn't always have to necessarily be that way.
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And again I'm gonna have Leslie Kanan soon to talk
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about surviving death, to talk about near death experience, but
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unfortunately we're not going to talk about UFOs there. So
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you know, not everything has to be UFO centric. I
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wanted a space where I can do that and focus
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more on whether it's spiritual development or consciousness development.
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Okay, excellent, Well check it out then. Links are all
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in the description and have a great yesterday. Thanks James,
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thanks for having me