Tim Alberino: Ancient Secrets of Enoch Finally Exposed! - The Sharpening Report

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Hello, and welcome to the Sharpening the Report. I am
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your host, Josh Peck. Tonight we have a very special
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episode for you as we welcome back to the show
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Timothy Alberto to talk about his new commentary on the
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Book of Enoch. Glad to have you back, Tim. How
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are you doing.
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I'm doing well. It's good to be back, Thanks, Josh.
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Yeah, it's been it's actually been a while. I think
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we did one interview with you while I was over
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at Igby with Zach Drew. I was there for about
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nine and I've been here for three or four months
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here at Prophecy Watchers So it's been like over a
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year since we had on the show, and I'm glad
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we're talking about this because the Book of Enoch is
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totally fascinating. So your new commentary the book, it goes
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through all three books of Enoch, yet it's called volume
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one in the Nephilim series. Can you give us some
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background on what the Nephilm series is and how this
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commentary fits in.
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Yeah, Actually, my commentary just covers First Knock and specifically
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the Book of the Watchers, the narrative portion of First
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Noc the Nephilim series. I'm publishing this edition of Enoch
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in collaboration with Nate Henry and Luke Rogers from the
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Blurry Creatures podcast, and we've created a series called the
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Nephilim Series, which in which we are going to publish
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various texts, ancient texts related to the subject of Nepheline,
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and we've got some interesting things in the works. We're
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not just going to be focusing on dead Sea scrolls texts,
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but also some of the for example, some of the
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material from the Chronicles of Peru from the conquest of
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the Inca Empire related to giants, stuff like that. Stuff
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related to Sardinia, so it's not just going to be
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limited to Dead Sea scroll material. And we're really excited
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about it because we don't know how far how much
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material we're going to actually have to work with. We
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have no idea how many volumes are going to be
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published in this series, but the Book of Enoch is
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the best place to start. So it is volume one
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in the Nephiline series.
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Fantastic man, that sounds really exciting. Can you give us
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some history on the Book of Enoch? When and why
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was it written in ancient times? Why did it just
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here for a while, and how did it come to
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be rediscovered?
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Well, let's focus on first Knock, sure, because, as most
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people are aware, there are actually three versions or variants
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of Enoch, and they differ widely. First, there are some
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similarities between Second Knock and first Knock, but thirty Knock
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is an entirely different animal altogether. It Second e Knock
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and thirty Knock are unquestionably the product of what's called
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Mercaba mysticism or Chariot mysticism. It's Second Temple mysticism, and
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they clearly reflect the thoughts of the Mercaba cult and
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Mercaba basically revolves around it's also called throne room mysticism.
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It revolves around, it revolves around the sacred names of
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angels and invocations, and it's u as I said, it's
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Jewish mysticism. And second and third Knoch are also distinguished
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in that they are most certainly they were most certainly created,
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published and circulated after the birth of Christ. Now, First
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Enoch distinguishes itself in two ways. Number One, much of
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the content was published before the birth of Christ, and
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that is not disputed among scholars. Scholars agree that much
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of the content of Enoch was was definitely published before Christ,
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before the birth of Christ. That's very important because what
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First Enoch does that Second and thirty Knock really don't do,
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is it makes remarkable predictions, Cristological predictions, messionic predictions about
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the coming Messiah, predictions which are clearly fulfilled in Jesus
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of Nazareth. So if those predictions were indeed written, recorded
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before the birth of Christ, and then you have the
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Son of God walking among us fulfilling those predictions, then
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you have an authentic You have a a mechanism of
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authentication built into First Enoch. To at least authenticate some
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of the content. Now I keep saying some of the
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content or much of the content, because First Enoch is
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a convoluted manuscript. Most of us are familiar with the
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Ethiopic version that was written in Geez or Giaz, the
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liturgical language of Ethiopia, and that is certainly not the
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complete edition of First Noch. There wasn't There wasn't. Clearly
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there was an ancient version of First Noch that was
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circulated during the Early Church Age, because you have some
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of the Early Church fathers such as Anthon Agaris, who
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are quoting from a version of First Enoch that we
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don't apparently we don't have today because there are segments
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passages that are being quoted that are not in the Ethiopic.
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So First Enoch, the Ethiopic Enoch, is convoluted. It has
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more than one author, that's apparent, and there are some
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changes in the narrative that happen within the within First Enoch,
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within the same manuscript. So we need to be careful
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when when handling First Enoch in regard to its dating,
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because some of First Enoch was written before Christ, was recorded,
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published before Christ, and some of it probably was published
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ad was published after Christ, the birth of Christ, and
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that would be the latter portions. Those would be I
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married the latter portions of Enoch. So the earliest portions
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of Enoch are are known to be the Book of
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the Watchers, which is the first portion of Enoch. And
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that is the Book of the Watchers is the narrative.
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It contains the story of the watchers. And then and
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then you have the parables. And the parables also are
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the earlier versions encompassed the earlier versions, the earlier portions
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rather of first Noch. And and it is within the
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parables that you have this remarkable christological content uh which
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actually which actually forms some of the foundational which which
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establishes some of the let me use the word buttresses
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some of the foundational Cristological doctrines that are espoused by
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the Apostles of the New Testament. So the apostles are
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clearly drawing from the cristological content in the parables in
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the formulation of their Christology. And indeed Jesus himself, Jesus
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of Nazareth himself references, not directly indirectly references christological content,
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especially within an scatological context. In regard to himself, and
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this happens on several occasions in the Gospel. So we
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know that the earliest portions Ofoch, of First Enoch are
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written before Christ, and in fact may have been written
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in the Antediluvian world and preserved through the flood, as
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Tertullian speculated, or Astertullian speculates further, that they were reassembled,
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that the story of Enoch was reassembled by the best
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recollection of the early fathers under the inspiration of the spirit.
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This is one of the argumentations that Tertullian puts forth
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in his defense of Enoch. And Tritullian was, of course
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one of these staunchest defenders of the faith and Carthage,
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and so there's it's just a it's a remarkable manuscript.
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And again let's I'm not very interested in second and
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thirty Knoc. Although I do publish second and thirty Knock
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in my edition of Enoch just so that people can
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have it should they desire to read it. I'm not
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very interested in second and thirty Knoc because again, it's
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Mercaba mysticism, and it's written after Christ, and and it's
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it's interesting in evaluating and analyzing second Templed thoughts and
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some of the eschatological thinking of the Second Temple writers.
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I'm primarily interested in First Enoch and and most interested
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in the first two sections of First Enoch, the Book
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of the Watchers and the Parables. And after the Parables
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you get into the courses of the heavenly Luminaries, you
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get into the dream visions and all of that content.
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And there's fragments of the Book of Noah also that
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are intermixed into the ethiopic version of First Enoch. And
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all of this comes in the latter portions of Enoch, which,
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as I said, there's clearly a different author or authors,
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and you still have Chariot the influence, the clear influence
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of chariot mysticism mixed into the latter portions of Enoch. So,
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as I said, it's convoluted, it's complicated, and it's not
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sort of a one size fits all like Second and
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Third Knock are not, you know, authentic, and First Knock
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is authentic. You know, people want to reach for those
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sort of easy explanations when in fact First Knock itself
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is very complicated.
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Yeah, that's that's really interesting. You mentioned the Book of
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the Watchers. Most people watching are probably familiar with Genesis
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six and the story of the Nephile, but we find
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a longer telling of that account in the Book of Enoch.
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What extra details do we find an Enoch concerning the
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watchers in the Nephale.
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Well, it appears to me and you there's two different
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thoughts on this. Most people, most scholars will assume that
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the story of the watchers in First Enoch is derived
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from the reference in Genesis six. In other words, the
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author of Genesis pinned his He pinned those first verses
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of Genesis six before the Book of Enoch was written.
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I actually take the opposite view. I believe that the
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author of Genesis, and I say the author, because we
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don't really know who wrote Genesis. We assume it was Moses,
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but that's not ironclad. The author or authors of Genesis,
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when they write Genesis six and they talk about, you know,
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the sons of God saw that the daughters of men
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were beautiful or comely and so forth, that that author
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is drawing on a more ancient narrative. He's he's literally
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in some sense copy and pasting directly from the Book
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of Enoch. So I think that the author that the
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Book of Enoch at least the oral tradition of Enoch.
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If not, and I would, I would go so far
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as to say that the Stroll of Enoch, the actual
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literature of the Book of Enoch, was in existence and
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circulation before the Book of Genesis, So that the author
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of Genesis is directly drawing upon a narrative that was
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already widely known to the to the ancient Hebrews, and
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in doing so, because the story is so well known,
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he doesn't have to explain what he's talking about. All
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he has to do is make reference to this story,
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and everyone knows what he's talking about. Everyone understands what
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he's referencing, because the story is so well known. Is
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and not only is it well known, and of course
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we're talking about the story of the watchers contained in
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First Enoch. Not only is it well known, it's more
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than just well known. It is fundamental to Hebrew cosmology.
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It is it lays the groundwork for so much of
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the It lays the groundwork for for so much of
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the content that we have in the Old Testament in
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regard to the cosmology of the ancient Hebrews. So the
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story that is referenced in Genesis is enlarged upon an Enoch,
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and this story revolves around it revolves around a company
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of two hundred renegade watchers. And of course the watcher
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designation is not unique to the Book of Enoch with
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the didz He Scrolls. It actually appears in the Book
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of Daniel. It's the only place that appears in the Bible,
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but it is in Daniel, and there's a very interesting
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reference to watchers in Daniel to kind of get an
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idea for us to have an idea of what a
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watcher is, Daniel really provides us with a very good
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reference to the watchers, and this is in this reference
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concerns nebuken Zar, and it's that famous scene in Daniel
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where nebuken Zar is is being judged by what the
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late doctor Heizer would describe as the members of the
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Divine Council, because it's not Yahweh alone who's sentencing who's
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judging Nebukenezer, it is the Holy Watchers. So you have
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account of watchers who are apparently members of the Divine Council,
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who are apparently very high ranking angelic beings, and they
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are presiding over the judgment of nebugan Azer and of course,
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they sentence him to madness, and he for a period
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of time, he's driven mad, he's given the mind of
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a beast, and he's out in the field eating grass
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to humble him, to humiliate him. Really, and Daniel is
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the intermediary here between the Watchers and Nebukeanezer. So the
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Watchers are using Daniel as the intercessor, the intermediary, and
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he plays this role. He's interfacing with the Watchers of
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Heaven and he's communicating to Nebukeaneza. Right, well, this is
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exactly what happens in the Book of Enoch, but with Enoch.
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So you have you have in the Book of Enoch.
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You have this council, this divine council, these watchers of Heaven,
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holy watchers of Heaven, who are passing judgment, but this
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time not on a human care. Rather, they're passing judgment
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on their own compatriots, on a faction from their own group,
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who have defected and descended to the earth and and
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and reaped all kinds of havoc, havoc on Earth. And
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instead of Daniel being the intermediar between the watch this
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the heavenly Watchers and the and the and the defected watchers,
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it's Enoch. So it's very interesting because you have this
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correlation between the Watchers and Daniel and the Watchers Enoch.
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The same sort of procedures happening here, but again in Daniel,
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it's the watchers are judging a human king. In Enoch,
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the Watchers are judging their own compatriots. Right, So it
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gives us insight into who the Watchers are. In the
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Book of Enoch, these are high ranking members of the
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Divine Council, or we could what we might say is
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that these are this watcher class of beings. These are
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members of the royal family, I think is another accurate
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way to designate them. And two hundred of them decide
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that they are going to defect from the Kingdom of
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Heaven and I and in you know this my commentary
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on Enoch, it really is, is an expansion of my
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commentary on Enoch in my book Birthright Right. So in
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Birthright and in my commentary on Enoch, I identify three catalysts,
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the three primary catalysts for the watchers insurrection, for their
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defection from the Kingdom of Heaven, for the mischief that
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they engaged on Earth, and and the first is noted
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both in Genesis six and in Enoch. First Enoch chapter six,
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and an Enoch gets a little more descriptive. The watchers
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lusted after the daughters of men. They lusted. That's the
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first cause of the watchers transgression. That was the first motivation.
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They lusted after human women, and this is of course
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what is intimated in Genesis six. Then the second, the
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second catalysts is that they desired to procreate. So they
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weren't just wanting to have sexual intercourse with these women.
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They actually wanted to procreate families, offspring. They wanted to
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have families, so they lusted after the daughters of men.
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That's the first cause. Second cause, they desired to procreate
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with these human women and progenerate offspring on Earth. Those
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two causes are apparent in the text I think am
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parent in Genesis siates, but also certainly apparent in First
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e not. And then the third cause of the Watcher's
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defection is inferred, and that is that they wanted dominion
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of the Earth through the agency of their hybrid sons.
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So they so they lusted. They wanted to progenerate sons,
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pro through the through the through the through procreation with
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these human women. And and by the way, they wanted
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to wed them. They didn't just want to copulate with them.
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They wanted to take them as why as which is
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very important detail. And then they would progenerate these offspring,
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these hybrid sons, and through through their hybrid sons, they
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would govern the earth. They would take dominion of the earth.
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And that third that third point, as I said, is
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not directly apparent, it is inferred. So this is exactly
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what the Watchers did. And again this is a very
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These are very important powerful entities in the Kingdom of Heaven.
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These are the Holy Watchers. And it's a company of
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two hundreds. And so I'm sure, as your audience is
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well known, as your audience well knows, they they decided
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to before they before they went and executed this plan
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of theirs, they decided to bind themselves by mutual imprecations,
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to take an oath. You know. Basically the oath said
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that we're all in this together, we will all pay
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the penalty for this great sin. And they bound themselves together,
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and they descended to Herman and Hermon in ancient times
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was known because of this as the Mountain of Oath,
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and and so once they bound themselves with this oath,
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they descended into the plaines, and they began to choose
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from among the daughters of men, each one of them
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a wife. And I, you know, there's some debate by
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people who are interested in Enoch, the Enochian narrative as
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to whether they took these women by force or not,
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and I don't believe they did. And in fact, I
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found it interesting actually reading through some of Heiser's commentary
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the other day, not on Enoch, but in his book Demons,
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I found it interesting that that that Heiser and other
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scholars negate the idea that the women were taken by force.
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Rather they were chosen. So I envisioned this as the
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watchers sort of maybe cloaked, walking through the villages and
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just sort of observing, observing the women, and in their
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minds choosing which one they wanted. And then the procedure
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in the ancient world, it wasn't like today you go
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and drop to your knee and propose to a woman.
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That's not how it works. You didn't go to the woman,
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You went to her father. So you went to the father,
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and you made a proposition to the father, which usually
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involved a dowry. I would like to I would like
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your daughter's hand in marriage. And here's what I'm going
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to offer you. Right, and if the and if the
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father deemed the suitor to be of high enough to
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be suitable and the dowry to be suitable the payment
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for the bride, then the than than the wedding would
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be arranged, right with all of the pomp and ceremony
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that was that would accompany such such an event in
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the ancient world. And so I think this is the
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procedure that's happening with the watchers. They're not throwing women
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over their shoulders and raping them. That's not what they
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wanted to do. They wanted to marry them. They wanted
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to take them as wise, so they would have approached
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the fathers and made a deal. And this is so
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it's transactionary. And this is a transaction I think is
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again inferred in the story. The fathers of the brides
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of the maidens, in exchange for their hands in marriage,
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would receive knowledge concerning would receive knowledge from the watchers.
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And this was knowledge, according to the Book of Enoch,
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that they were already striving to learn. So they had questions.
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They recognized the watchers for who they were, right, the
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sons of God, the Watcher, the holy watchers of Heaven.
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And obviously these were suitable husbands for their daughters. And
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in exchange for their daughter's hands in marriage, they were
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given knowledge which amounted to functional technology. That's really what
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we're talking about here. And so the watchers wed their wives,
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and I'm sure again that this would have happened according
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to the customs of men, with all of the ceremony
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and celebration, and they copulated with them, and the women
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conceived and gave birth to giants, which I think was
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completely unexpected by the women and by their fathers and
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the men. The watchers did indeed, they fulfilled their end
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of the bargain, which of course was a Faustian bargain.
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They they instructed the men that the offspring of Adam
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the probably in my estimating this is just me speculating here,
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in my estimation, probably men in the line of Cain.
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They taught them the secrets of heaven, the knowledge that
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they were striving to learn. And long story short, the
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men became corrupted with the knowledge. The women gave birth
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to giants, the giants grew to exceedingly large height, began
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to devour men, began to engage in cannibalism and to
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devour mankind. And then a judgment was was passed on
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the on the watchers and their offspring, which resulted in
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a in a great war, a hybrid a war, fratricidal
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war between the giants, which culminated in the flood. And
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that's just a, you know, a very clumsy summary of
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the story, but that is the story that's told in
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the Book of Enough in first nac.
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Yeah, And speaking of the flood, one of the biggest
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questions that a lot of people have. We see giants,
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we see them return after the flood. Does the Book
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of Enoch shed any light on how that happened? How
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the giants returned again after the flood? Was it another
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incursion or was it some other method? What are your
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thoughts on that it doesn't, It doesn't.
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The Book of Enoch is interesting in that it weaves
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this really incredible narrative, but it doesn't, it doesn't really
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complete the narrative. That's one thing that's always very bizarre
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to me. And maybe it does. And in more ancient manuscript,
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again there was a different manuscript circulating the ancient world
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that had some variations. But the Ethiopic Enoch doesn't complete
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the narrative. It's very strange. So you have the judgment.
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It doesn't even directly reference the flood as that final
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culminating action in regard to the judgment, but it does indirectly,
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but it doesn't like end the story with the flood
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or anything. The story kind of ends with the judgment
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of the watchers, with the proclamation, and then it goes
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into all kinds of metaphysical content. It launches into the
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dreams and visions and heavenly luminaries and all this kind
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of stuff. So it doesn't really complete the narrative, which
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is a little frustrating. And so it doesn't tell us
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tells us that the giants slaughtered each other, but it
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does not give us any insight whatsoever into of course,
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that that bizarre comment that a bizarredendum to the passages
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in Genesis six, where it says that giants were on
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the earth with the nefilimer on the earth in those days,
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and and also afterwards, right when the sons of God
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went in to the daughters of men, and that also
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afterwards is assumed to mean after the flood, because the
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next chapter is the flood in Genesis. Genesis seven is
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the flood, right, and Genesis six provides the catalyst for
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the flood, and the catalyst for the flood is the
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activity of the watchers of the sons of God. So no,
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we're not we're not giving any any any insight at
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all in the Book of Enoch as to how, at
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least in First Enoch, as to how the Nephelene, the
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let's say, the genetic lineage at least of the Nephilene
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makes it through the flood.
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M very interesting. Yeah, that's something that I've always wondered
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about too. A lot of people have all Right, we're
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going to take a quick break. Just need a few
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We knew it, and so we had to take it.
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And it's it's great. I mean, I I love I
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love working at Prophecy Watchers. I love everybody there. Feels
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feels like home, feels like a family, and it's it's
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just it is a perfect fit for us. Uh. But
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the problem is we are renting a house here in Oklahoma,
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but we still have a house that we're trying to
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sell in Illinois. By the way, if you're in the Decatur,
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Illinois area and you're looking for a really nice four
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bedroom house, uh, let me know Josh Peck Disclosure at
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gmail dot com. It's it's for sale now, but but
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in the meantime, we don't know how long that house
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is gonna sell. Sell, And anybody who knows anything about
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the economy knows this is a really bad time to
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try to sell a house. So it's been very difficult financially.
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It's been financially straining, and especially since you know, uh,
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Illinois got hit with some storms and we had to
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we had to pay for to pay pay to fix
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some damages there and stuff. We had to put a
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lot of money into it. So while we're while we're
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paying for a mortgage there, we're paying for rent at
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this house. So basically we got two huge payments and
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I don't know how long that's gonna last. The second
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our house sells, I will tell everybody on here, Okay,
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we're good. You don't have to donate, well, you don't
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have to donate at all, but but we we no
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longer need donations for our living situation. So we are
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accepting donations for that. We're also accepting because we have
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a big family. We have five kids, and we're we're
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a single income house.
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You know.
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Christina stays at home, takes care of the kids, homeschools
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and works really really hard. And then I do my
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ministry work at Prophecy Watchers, and then I'm my off
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time on that, I work on Daily Renegade stuff and
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anything that I make from Prophecy Watchers and Daily Renegade.
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That's it for our entire family. Uh So, once our
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house sells, it's gonna be fun. But we just don't
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know how long that's gonna last. Prophecy Watchers has helped
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out a lot, but again, we don't know how long
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this is gonna last. So until the house sells, I
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have to keep bringing it up and say, hey, if
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you feel led and if you want to donate, that
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would be extremely helpful. Best place is PayPal, dot me
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slash Josh Peck disclosure. If you don't want to do that,
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I do have a cash app. It's dollar signed Josh
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Scott Peck. If you want to mail in something. A
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couple of people have mailed in checks just addressed to
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me to the Prophecy Watchers building. I don't have the
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exact address. I think it's I don't know what their
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peo boxes, but I think it's on their website. So
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if you just want to go to prophecywatchers dot com
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and look where to actually send in and look for
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a PEO box where to send in or an address.
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I know the physical address of the building, but I
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don't know if that I honestly don't know if that's
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been made public, and I don't want to make it
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public if it hasn't, so I'm not gonna do that. Also,
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we're accepting, still accepting donations for my son's healthcare. Very
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brief synopsis. He had cancer for years. We took him
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to Saint Jude's got it cured, but the chemo destroyed
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his immune system and he's had a lot of long
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lasting health issues because of that. So to reverse those
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health issues. Christina actually got her degree because of this
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whole thing in natural health and medicine, and so we're
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going the all natural route. But that stuff is really expensive,
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those treatments, those supplements, and I'm not talking about just
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supplements off of the shelf of Walmart. A lot of
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that's garbage and it's not even real. But to actually
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get the real stuff that your body needs to heal,
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it's so expensive and insurance does not cover it at all.
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So and there's also medical treatments and things like that
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that he needs, very very expensive, and we're have to
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pay out of pocket for that. So again, for my family,
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I don't like half to ask all the time. And
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I'm not ever going to impose on you that you
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have to donate. You don't, you really don't. I would
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love it if you'd at least pray though that anybody
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can do that. If you're watching this video, you can
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pray at least pray that. And God has been providing,
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He's been doing great, but you know, just pray that
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that continues. Pray for our wisdom, Pray for Nathan's health,
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Pray for our house to sell. You know, there's a
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lot of things you can pray for that would help.
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I don't love having to bring this up every single time,
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but for my family, absolutely I'm gonna do that. I'll
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it's especially if you're a man. You know, it's not
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easy to ask for help. It's not easy to just
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put your personal details out there and admit when you
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need help. It's not easy, but I'll do anything for
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my family and I'm sure you would too. So yeah,
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every single time I do this, every single time, I
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get comments, I get emails, I get people that get
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annoyed that I'm bringing that I'm even bringing it up,
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and I'll get I'll get comments that say, well, the
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gospel should be free, the gospel is free. I'm not
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selling the gospel. I'm not telling you that you have
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to give anything.
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You don't.
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But if you feel lad, you know, not just for me,
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you know, for my family, for my kids, if you
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feel led, it would it would be incredibly helpful. And
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I'm not I'm not gonna promise that you're gonna get
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anything from it. That's up to God. I'm never gonna
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be the kind of guy that says, you know, so
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is Seid and you you know if you do this,
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God will reward you. I don't know what God's gonna do,
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and that shouldn't be why you give anyway. You should
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never give to get a reward for yourself. If if
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you're giving because you're expecting God to reward you in
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some way, I'd rather you just not give it all
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because that's that's like spiritually dangerous territory for you to
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be in. And I would suggest getting getting some actual, good,
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solid foundational teaching of the teachings of Jesus and what
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he means when he says when when he when he
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tells us to give with a cheerful heart and all
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that stuff. You don't expect things in return. But again,
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do it. If do it, if the Lord leads you.
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If not, no worries. Just pray. If you can pray,
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that'd be great. So again, paypald up me slash Josh
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Peck disclosure or cash app dollar signed Josh Scott Peck.
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And we have not set a pe old box up yet,
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but we will very soon. I actually just keep forgetting
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about it because we have so much stuff to do.
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We have so many things day to day that we
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have to we have to focus on. We are still
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in that transition period, but we're getting through it and
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actually it's it's really been great. I do have some
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other links and things in the description below. I did
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recently take part in a webinar that's available or will
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be available at the end of May. I believe at
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Paul Beegley Prophecy dot com, and I talked about upcoming
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magnetic pull shifts what that might have to do with prophecy,
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talked a little bit about geographic pullshifts, how all this
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relates to Bible prophecy. A lot of revelation in there,
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so I'd suggest checking out that webinar Paulbegleyprophecy dot com.
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There's also an Orlando Prophecy Summit that's on demand right now,
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and if you use use the promo peck Orlando twenty
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four all caps, all one word, and then you'll have
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full access to all videos and speakers as a Prophecy
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Watchers conference. And for more information on that, you can
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go to Orlando Prophecysummit dot com or Prophecywatchers dot com. Also,
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if you haven't had a chance, check out Cornerstone Asset Medals.
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The economy is not great and the value of our
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dollar is dropping by the day, So what we should
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do is invest in something that's more stable, like silver
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and gold. But the problem is there's a lot of
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scammers out there. There's a lot of people you can't trust,
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even people calling themselves Christians that you can't trust because
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they mark up their prices Cornerstone doesn't do that. And
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if you look at any interview that I have on
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my YouTube channel and at Daily Renegade dot com with
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Terry Soaka, look at any of his interviews, he's a
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prophecy guy. He's a Nethhealem guy like us. You know,
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he knows all this stuff and he treats his business
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as a ministry. He's doing this as a service for
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brothers and sisters in Christ, especially when they're retirement. The
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ferrol one K. You know your investments, even just your
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savings are in danger. Uh. So go to Cornerstone Asset
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Metals dot com, tell them that we sent you, and
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you can get a free report. You can ask questions.
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They're not salesmen. They're not gonna be pushy with you.
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You can talk to them about Nefhalom if you want to.
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You know, they're they're knowledgeable, they know what they're talking about.
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Uh.
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And they're not They're not they're not gonna scam you.
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I've been working with them for years. I don't promote
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very many companies on this channel because it's specifically that
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I've got to actually really know and believe that. Uh.
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And no firsthand that it's a solid company because I
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don't want to put all of you at risk. Uh,
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And I fully believe that. About Cornerstone, We've talked a
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little bit about prophecy. We do have a Dead Seaskull
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Scroll Prophecy calendar, a print calendar that you can put
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on your wall that tells the regular Gregronian date that
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we go through, and then has the Dead Sea Scroll
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prophetic calendar that I talk a lot about in my
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upcoming books, but also talked about in Lost Prophecies of
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kum Ran. So if you want to print version of that,
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the link is in the description below. Okay, So I
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think that's it, all the donation stuff, everything, and again
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I apologize that that takes a long time to get
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through sometimes, but again I'm doing it, especially the donation stuff.
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I'm doing it for my family. And see how fast
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I whipped through the rest of it, because that's that's more. Hey,
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if you want a calendar, buy a calendar.
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Great.
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You know it does help support me my family. My
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ministry helps support Ken Johnson's ministry as well. You know,
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if you want to, if you want to trade your
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four oh one K or your retirement into silver, I
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think it's a very very very smart thing to do.
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I think you should do that. But you know, again,
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it's it's just what won't you do for your family
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if I have to deal with some mean comments of
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people saying that, oh, you's just money grubbing, and no
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I'm not. You know, you don't have to give me anything.
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You don't got to buy anything. I'm still gonna be
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putting free information out on YouTube if I have to
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deal with that, and then the good hearted people of
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you who feel God calling you to give, and you
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and you do give and that helps my family, of
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course I'll go through that. It's very very minor, minor persecution,
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you know, compared to stuff that other Christians are going
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through today. It's very very minimal. All I have to
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do is just not read the comments, which typically I
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don't on YouTube. But but that's that's the reason. It's
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just I'll do anything for my family, and this is
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this is one way that'll help. So okay, let's get
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back into it, all right, Welcome back. So when looking
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at the timeline here, why why exactly? And I know
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that there was a difference between Christians and Jews here,
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but why exactly was the Book of Enoch excluded from
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the Bible. Why don't we find that in our Bibles.
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Well, we can only speculate as to why it was
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excluded to some extent. We know that the Church fathers
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decided to exclude Enoch. One of the reasons they decided
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to exclude Knock was because the Jews had excluded Enoch
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from their canon, and the Jews primarily, if not exclusively,
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only inducted texts which were written in Hebrew. That doesn't
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mean that the Book of Enoch was rejected on grounds
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of it not being written in Hebrew, because, as I said,
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there was a version circulating that we don't have today
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and it might have been in Hebrew. So we don't know.
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We don't know if that's the case. But the other
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reason why texts were excluded both by the presumably by
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the Jews, but certainly by the Christians in their canon
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of scripture was if the authorship was in doubt, if
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the authorship could not be confirmed. Now, this really isn't
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that big of a deal, because we have several books
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in the canon that we still to this day don't
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really know who the authors are, including the Book of Genesis.
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It was commonly assumed that the Book of Genesis was
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written by Moses, but there's a lot of disputation on
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that point. Because Moses dide and the narrative continues, Obviously
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somebody else. Moses wasn't writing the latter portions of Genesis
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after he died. Obviously he's not going to write about
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his own death either. So so portions of Genesis might
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have been written by Moses, but certainly not the entire text.
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So there we have a questionable authorship. And yet Genesis
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is clearly inducted into the canon, into the Christian and
709
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Jewish canon, and there are other texts as well that
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are whose authorship is debated to this day several so
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authorship was another thing. But I think that the real
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contention revolved around the content. That seems to be the
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real point of contention is is that the Jews, and
714
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there's so some reason to believe that Second Temple Jews
715
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were not sympathetic to the idea of quote unquote fallen angels.
716
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They didn't like that, they didn't like the idea that
717
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holy angels could rebel, and furthermore, not only rebel. And
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when I say holy angels, I'm talking about watchers I'm
719
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talking about members of the Council of the Divine Council
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not only rebel but engage in sexual intercourse, but lust
721
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after and copulate with human women. That point, specifically, I
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think was very controversial. Now, obviously Second Temple literature has
723
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plenty of sinister characters like Satan, right, so they're not
724
00:46:55.559 --> 00:47:00.920
necessarily they weren't necessarily contending with the note that there
725
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are sinister beings that are in contradiction to God, but
726
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rather that the holy angels could do something so leude
727
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could engage in such a lewd act as described in
728
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the Book of Enoch. And I think that this same,
729
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this same what's the word I'm reaching for here, this
730
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same opinion, this same That's not the word I'm looking for.
731
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I can't think of this the way I want to
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describe this, But disgust is the word I'm looking for.
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The same disgust is expressed by some of the early
734
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Church fathers in regard to this idea that angels could
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lust after and compulate with human women, because it sort
736
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of busts the paradigm the prevailing parent time, which was
737
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that heavenly beings are just their spiritual holy beings, they're
738
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not capable of lust. They're not and certainly not capable
739
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of sexual intercourse. Right, And so this this idea that
740
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having to conceptualize these holy reverent beings coming down and
741
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engaging in sexual intercourse with human women was beyond the pale,
742
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I think for some of the early Church fathers, but
743
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not not all. Certainly not all. Many of the Church fathers,
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as I've mentioned before, were in favor of the not
745
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only not only considered the Book of Enoch as holy
746
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writ as scripture, but also we're in favorable of its
747
00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:43.480
argued for its induction into the canon, including the previously
748
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mentioned Urtullin. So it wasn't it wasn't. It wasn't this
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unanimous decision across the board to not include First Enoch
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in the in the canon. It was debated, and I
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understand why they didn't. I totally understand because, as I said,
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First Knock itself is convoluted, and we don't know what
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version they had back then. We know that it did
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reflect to some extent First Nock that we have today,
755
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the Ethiopic First Knock, because we have the same reference
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in Jude and we have the reference to the same
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narrative that's made by Peter and reference in the Old
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Testament as well and by Jesus. So we have the
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same narrative. We know that, and we do have some
760
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of the exact same passages and the Ethiopic enot as
761
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they were as whatever version was circulating in the ancient world.
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But it's not precisely the same manuscript, so we don't
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know what they were thinking about the manuscript that they had.
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Although I will say this, it is my contention that
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were we two go back in time to the first
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century when Jesus was walking the earth and after his death,
767
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when the Apostles were establishing the church, were we to
768
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enter the synagogue, a synagogue, the one in Jerusalem or
769
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in any of the provinces, and we're given access to
770
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the scrolls, to browse through the scrolls in the synagogue
771
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right the scripture, the scriptorium of the synagogue. We would
772
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a find many scrolls that are not included in our canon.
773
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That's I think unequivocally. So we would find scrolls that
774
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are not included in our canon, and among them would
775
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be some version of what we call the Book of Enoch.
776
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So this idea that the canon of scripture, that we have,
777
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and I think Christians assume that the texts that we
778
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have in our canon have always been considered the exclusive
779
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body of holy writ by the Jews and by Christians.
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That's not true at all. There were many manuscripts circulating
781
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in the ancient world, both before and after the birth
782
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of Christ that did not make it into the canons
783
00:51:11.039 --> 00:51:14.480
of the Jews. Were which was formulated after the birth
784
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of Christ, as well as the Christians hundreds of years
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00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:19.440
after the birth of Christ. So what was and here's
786
00:51:19.480 --> 00:51:24.199
my wider point here, what was considered scripture then was
787
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different than what is conscripture is considered scripture today. So
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it would not surprise me at all. Indeed, as I
789
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said I would, I would expect to find some version
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of Enoch among the scrolls in the scriptorium of the
791
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synagogues at the time of Christ.
792
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Very interesting. You know something else that you touched on
793
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too in your introduction, in your commentary that I found fascinating.
794
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How does the Book of Enoch relate to ancient Mesopotamian epics?
795
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What are these two things have to do with each other?
796
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Well, this is uh, this is another controversial point here.
797
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So basically, there's two ways to think about the Book
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of Enoch and the ancient Mesopotamian narratives regarding the Apkalu.
799
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The ap Callu and ancient Mesopotamian lore are equivalent to
800
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the watchers. They are the watchers. These were they're sometimes
801
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referred to as the sages. And they did exactly what
802
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:35.519
the watchers did. They taught mankind knowledge. And but they're
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painted in in in in laudatory terms in within the
804
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Mesopotamian context. In other words, they're good guys, not always.
805
00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:48.800
Actually it's complicated. The app Callu are complicated. They're sometimes
806
00:52:48.840 --> 00:52:52.800
good guys. There's sometimes depicted as good guys, I would
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say more often than not, but not always, not always.
808
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And these the story is generally the same. So we're
809
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talking about the the flood myth of the Sumerians, for example,
810
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it's generally the same as the flood myth of the Hebrews,
811
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with some interesting variations. But you have you know, I
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think his name is Etna Pistu, who's the Noah character
813
00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:26.039
in the Sumerian flood myth who builds an arc right
814
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and and has hit him and his family members and
815
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some animals are make it through the flood by way
816
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of this arc and and previous to the flood, and
817
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it is a flood in the Sumerian account, and it
818
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is the gods who send the flood. Previous to the flood,
819
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you have the Apkalu who are cohabitating with men on
820
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earth and are instructing them in the arts of heaven,
821
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the arts of civilization, and the divine arts rather the
822
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arts of civilization. So there's these are civilizing figures. And
823
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again they're they're their equivalent to the watchers in the
824
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in the Hebrew story. And so most scholars, nearly all
825
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scholars would contend that the Hebraic narrative of the antidiluvian
826
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world is a polemic over and against the Sumerian the
827
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Mesopotamian narrative. In other words, it's it's taking the same
828
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characters and figures and sort of flipping them on their
829
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heads and making the good guys the bad guys, and
830
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in case the in this case the apclus, who are
831
00:54:41.119 --> 00:54:44.199
generally speaking, the good guys in the Sumerian narrative and
832
00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:49.320
making them the bad guys in the Hebreic narrative. And
833
00:54:49.400 --> 00:54:54.519
so it's it's This is how most scholars today would
834
00:54:54.519 --> 00:54:59.599
describe the Book of Enoch as a polemic against the
835
00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:08.480
messi Botamian narrative flood narrative, Antidiluvian narrative. And so basically
836
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what that means is that the Mesopotamian narrative came first
837
00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:18.400
and is older, and that the Hebrew scholars of the
838
00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:22.800
Hebrew Scribes crafted their story of the Antidiluvian world based
839
00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:28.480
on the previous narrative, based on the Mesopotamian narrative, modified
840
00:55:28.480 --> 00:55:34.639
the Mesopotamian narrative. I disagree. I actually think it's the
841
00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:41.719
other way around, because who founded the According to the Bible,
842
00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:49.440
who founded the civilization proto Sumerian civilization after the flood,
843
00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:54.039
it was Noah and his sons. So the Sumerians and
844
00:55:54.079 --> 00:55:57.360
the Acadians and all of the Mesopotamians were the offspring
845
00:55:57.400 --> 00:56:03.480
of Noah according to the Bible. And so we know
846
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that something very interesting happened after the flood. According to
847
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the Bible, we know that there was this incident called
848
00:56:13.280 --> 00:56:18.400
the Tower of Babel, and God instructed the offspring of Noah.
849
00:56:18.440 --> 00:56:21.920
Who knows how many centuries after the flood, but at
850
00:56:21.920 --> 00:56:26.039
some point he instructed the burgeoning population, the offspring, the
851
00:56:26.079 --> 00:56:32.960
sons and daughters of Noah and his sons to spread out,
852
00:56:33.280 --> 00:56:41.840
to fill the earth and multiply, and to to disperse
853
00:56:41.920 --> 00:56:46.000
over the face of the earth. And rather than obeying
854
00:56:46.079 --> 00:56:51.920
this this mandate, they do the They do the polar opposite.
855
00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:57.199
They come together, they consolidate in the plains of Shinar,
856
00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:01.760
which is which is indirect defiance of God, direct defiance.
857
00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:06.320
So you have right away this rebellion happening. You have,
858
00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:07.960
and I shouldn't say right away. Who knows how many
859
00:57:08.039 --> 00:57:10.000
hundreds of years after the flood this occurred, there is
860
00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:15.039
a large populace. So rather than obeying the mandate from
861
00:57:15.079 --> 00:57:18.079
Heaven to spread out and populate the earth, they consolidate
862
00:57:18.679 --> 00:57:22.239
in direct defiance of God. And I think they do this,
863
00:57:22.440 --> 00:57:24.920
it's my opinion that they do this under the leadership
864
00:57:25.119 --> 00:57:30.159
of Nimrod. And what does Nimrod's name mean? We shall
865
00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:34.119
rebel or we will rebel, And I think that that
866
00:57:34.239 --> 00:57:39.440
is that this, the meaning of Nimrod's name is indicative
867
00:57:40.280 --> 00:57:44.679
of the direct defiance of the command of Heaven. They
868
00:57:44.719 --> 00:57:47.400
consolidate together in the plains of China. We're going to
869
00:57:47.440 --> 00:57:50.440
rebel against the mandate of Heaven and do exactly the
870
00:57:50.480 --> 00:57:53.360
opposite of what God is telling us to do, So
871
00:57:53.400 --> 00:57:55.239
what does that tell me? And of course they build
872
00:57:55.239 --> 00:57:58.440
a tower and so forth a city. Really they build
873
00:57:58.440 --> 00:58:00.320
a city, and in the city a tower. The city
874
00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:04.760
was Babylon. It was Babel. The city was Babel, which
875
00:58:04.760 --> 00:58:06.719
had a tower, which is called the Tower of Babel.
876
00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:13.199
So so what do we have. What we have here
877
00:58:13.239 --> 00:58:19.360
is very intriguing. We have defiance of Heaven taking place.
878
00:58:20.159 --> 00:58:24.960
So Noah would have brought from the Antidiluvian world all
879
00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:28.119
of the traditions and the culture and the language that
880
00:58:28.239 --> 00:58:31.159
existed in the world. He didn't reset any of that.
881
00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:36.440
He brought it from the Antidiluvian world into the post
882
00:58:36.440 --> 00:58:40.119
Deluvian world. And so that same culture was preserved in
883
00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:43.800
Noah his sons. The knowledge if there was any kind
884
00:58:43.840 --> 00:58:46.079
of literature, if there was any system of writing that
885
00:58:46.119 --> 00:58:49.360
came through the flood through Noah manuscripts, I think we
886
00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:52.119
should assume that if there were manuscripts in circulation, they
887
00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:56.159
came through the flood. Certainly, if Enoch had written something,
888
00:58:56.320 --> 00:58:58.719
it would have been delivered to Noah. Right, he was
889
00:58:58.760 --> 00:59:03.920
his great grandson. So all of the important relics from
890
00:59:04.039 --> 00:59:06.039
the line of Adam would have made it through the
891
00:59:06.039 --> 00:59:09.239
flood with Noah, including whatever manuscripts. And if there were
892
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:11.360
no manuscripts, if someone wants to argue that there was
893
00:59:11.440 --> 00:59:13.880
no writing that long ago, I would say there was.
894
00:59:14.360 --> 00:59:16.079
But if someone wants to argue that there wasn't, then
895
00:59:16.079 --> 00:59:19.880
at the very least, the oral traditions made it through
896
00:59:19.920 --> 00:59:23.639
the flood through Noah and his offspring. So you tell
897
00:59:23.679 --> 00:59:30.679
me what comes first here, Noah or the Sumerians. Noah
898
00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:33.400
comes first, does he not? According to the biblical narrative,
899
00:59:33.480 --> 00:59:39.079
Noah comes first, not the Sumerians. So that proto Sumerian
900
00:59:39.159 --> 00:59:44.599
culture I think comes out of Nimrod, comes from one
901
00:59:44.639 --> 00:59:49.400
of the factions that were separated after Babel. That would
902
00:59:49.400 --> 00:59:53.280
be the proto Sumerian culture. And then and then you
903
00:59:53.360 --> 00:59:56.639
get the ancient Egyptian culture that comes out of Babel,
904
00:59:56.760 --> 00:59:59.199
and you get all of the different cultures that spread
905
00:59:59.199 --> 01:00:05.079
out from Babel. Because of course, because they're acting in
906
01:00:05.119 --> 01:00:10.679
direct definance of Heaven, we will rebel. God basically comes
907
01:00:10.679 --> 01:00:14.360
down and forces the issue and makes it so they
908
01:00:14.440 --> 01:00:19.760
literally can't accomplish this defection. They can't come together and
909
01:00:19.800 --> 01:00:22.840
build the city and consolidate in direct defiance of Heaven.
910
01:00:23.199 --> 01:00:25.519
He literally makes it impossible for them to do this
911
01:00:26.280 --> 01:00:29.159
and forces his will, which is you're going to separate
912
01:00:31.199 --> 01:00:33.760
by rook or by crook, I'm going to separate you,
913
01:00:34.039 --> 01:00:35.960
which in other words, you won't be able to communicate
914
01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:38.760
with each other. So we're going to put an end
915
01:00:38.760 --> 01:00:41.320
to this. That's why God does it. He doesn't do
916
01:00:41.400 --> 01:00:44.920
it because he doesn't like the tower. He does it
917
01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:50.719
because they're in direct defiance of his mandate. And humankind
918
01:00:50.760 --> 01:00:53.559
has to spread over the earth and populate though the
919
01:00:53.559 --> 01:00:56.360
whole point is to recede the earth, to repopulate the
920
01:00:56.360 --> 01:01:00.519
earth after the flood. That is what that was the
921
01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:04.360
decree from the Kingdom of Heaven. And so that's why
922
01:01:04.960 --> 01:01:07.400
God doesn't come down alone. By the way, he comes
923
01:01:07.400 --> 01:01:11.199
down with the council the watchers, and they do this thing.
924
01:01:11.199 --> 01:01:15.679
They confuse the language. So out of this dispersion at Babel,
925
01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:19.639
you get the various cultures according to the Bible, and
926
01:01:19.719 --> 01:01:24.239
you get the Mesopotamic culture. And all of these cultures,
927
01:01:24.239 --> 01:01:27.880
by the way, are directly influenced. Although the languages are
928
01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:34.480
now disparate, the culture is directly influenced. The Let's put
929
01:01:34.480 --> 01:01:37.280
it this way, the root culture is Noah's culture. It's
930
01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:40.480
his culture. That's the root culture. So all the stories
931
01:01:40.480 --> 01:01:44.280
that came from Noah, all the stories, certainly all the
932
01:01:44.400 --> 01:01:48.559
oral traditions are now are now going across the face
933
01:01:48.599 --> 01:01:52.159
of the earth, right, are now being dispersed across the
934
01:01:51.679 --> 01:01:56.920
face of the earth with these variegated factions of humans
935
01:01:56.960 --> 01:02:00.800
who speak different languages and the rating from one another.
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So they're getting further and further from the source material.
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It's a game of telephone. The oral story is modified
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over time. The names are changed, you know, the details
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are changed. And and I think there and before that happened,
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I think there was an intention. I know, this is
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a really long winded answer to your question. This is oh,
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there was an There was an There was a conspiracy,
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let's call it by in my estimation, by Nimrod, to
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change the antidiluvian lore, to take the story and invert
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it because he's in a state of rebellion. We will
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rebel right. Not only are they rebelling in regard to
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the mandate of Heaven to disperse and populate, they're consolidating
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and building. I think that Nimrod created a new religious
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order that placed himself at the top of the hierarchy,
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above the sons of Noah, because the sons of Noah
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were still alive when the Tower of Babble is being
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built and probably objected, right, So we can assume that,
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I think we can. We can assume that there might
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have been an objecting objection there. So Nimrod is creating
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a new hierarchy that places himself at the top. He's
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inverting the stories, the oral tradition to his for his benefit. Right,
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that's where the inversion of the anti Deluvian story happens.
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That and from that inversion, in my opinion, you get
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the Sumerian account. So if I'm correct, then the scholars
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have it wrong. They've got it backwards. The Sumerian account,
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let's call it the Nimrod's rendition, is a polemic against Yahweh.
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It's the other way around. It's not that the Hebraic
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account is a polemic against the gods of Mesopotamia. I
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think is literally the other way around. The Mesopotamia count
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is a polemic against Yahweh. And that's why the bad
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guys are made into the good guys. And this happens
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in my estimation before the dispersion at Babel, and so
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you would have that inverted story that is going all
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over the earth now in many cases. So and I
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don't understand why that point of view is not more
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largely considered by scholars because everyone wants to sell the Mesopotamians.
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And of course the Sumerians predate the the Hebrew the Hebrews,
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of course they do. They let's be specific, they predate
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Abraham and his offspring Israel. They predate Israel, but they
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don't predate Noah. So and that's the point. They don't.
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Noah comes first, then the Sumerians, right. So if Noah
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comes first, then the oral traditions that were preserved by
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Noah are older. They have to be right. So this
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is I'm just kind of walking people through my objection
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to the prevailing scholarly opinions as it pertains to Enoch again,
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because they think, oh, Enoch. First of all, they think
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Genesis is older than Enoch. I disagree. I think Enoch
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is older than Genesis. And they think that Enoch was
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written as a polemic against the Sumerian gods and their
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flood narrative, which is older. Reverse that, and I think
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we're looking at the reality. The Sumerian account is a
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polemic against the god of Noah. And so this is
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my perspective, and I write about it the introduction, and
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whether I'm right or wrong, I don't think anyone would
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could ever argue assuming and then you have to say
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this when talking about scholars today, assuming that Noah was
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a real historical character, which I obviously believe he was,
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but not all scholars do. Assuming he was a real
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historical character, then you must acknowledge that he is the father,
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a proto sumer of that culture. He has to be.
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He's the father of the ancient Egyptian culture as well.
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He's the father of all the cultures that developed in
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the ancient Near East and the Fertile Crescent. Right. He is,
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he is, he is the that is the you might
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call it the mother culture, was that of Noah and
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his offspring. So again, I'm just I'm kind of surprised
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that you don't encounter many scholars who are arguing that case.
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They just sort of adopt, they just sort of adopt
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notion that, of course, consumer predates Israel and therefore everything
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they write is older. Now, it's also possible that it's
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also possible that a manuscript was preserved through Noah through
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the flood an original manuscript written by the hand of
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Enoch was literally preserved and then at some point passed
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down through the family line of m probably from Noah,
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and delivered into the hands of some scholar after the
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foundation of Israel, after Abraham. Right, that's also possible that
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this relic was preserved through time and delivered to the
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offspring of Abraham at some point, and they literally had
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the original manuscript. That's possible. And again Tertullian speculates about
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that uh In in his uh and a treatise called
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on the Apparel of Women. And I know that way
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way way off your quick No.
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No, I'm glad that you did, because that brings up
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a really important point that you're right. Not a lot
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of people talk about it, but I agree with you
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that's what makes most sense, because well, I mean, that's
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what the Bible seems to teach. And and just when
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you look back in history, it's who's going to be
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copying off of who?
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You know?
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Is it going to be the pagan cultures or is
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it going to be uh Is it going to be
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God's God's people? And so no, what what what you
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said makes perfect sense to me, and I I agree
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with you. I think that's most likely to be true
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as well. Well, I do have a lot. I do
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have some more that I want to ask you, specifically
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about some of the prophecies uh in Enoch. But before
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I do, where can people pick up your book and
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follow you online?
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They can get our book of Enoch. This is the
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proof copy, so it's got this line in the love it,
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but this is what it looks like. Disregard that line
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in the middle. This is what our copy VNOC looks like.
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They can get it on Amazon, and I believe we're
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going to make signed copies available should should anyone desire
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to sign copy through the Blurry Creatures podcast website, but
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they can get right now. They can go to Amazon
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and get and get the physical copy. Also, we have
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a digital copy coming and we're working on audio version
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as well. So but right now the print copy is
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available on Amazon.
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Fantastic. Well, I always suggest everybody go check that out.
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We have more to talk about with Timothy Almarino, but
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we're going to do that in the members only section.
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God bless. Okay, we are now in the members only section.
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Thank all of you for being members and support what
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supporting what we're doing here. Let's get right back into it.
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So talking about some of the more prophetic elements of
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the Book of Enoch, and there's there's a million directions
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we could go in this, because there's a lot in there.
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One that I've written about before, and I'm curious as
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to your take on it. This is this is a
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little later in the book. But what do you make
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of Enoch's Apocalypse of weeks from chapter ninety three.
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Are we talking about the animal apocalypse?
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No, the the apocalypse of weeks where it says there's
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like basically ten weeks and he goes through each week
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and gives a specific prophecy for that week, and it
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covers a span of well that would be six seven
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thousand years of creation. And and what's what's interesting is
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in that it's all it's in your version, it's all
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in chapter ninety three and the Dead sy Scrolls. It's
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kind of scattered around and you got a piece it together.
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But but for each week there's a specific prophecy about it.
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And when you do the math, it's interesting because we're
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right now in the middle of the ninth week and
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there's ten of them. So I was just curious if
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you if you really dealt that much into that.
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You know, I do recall the prophecy of weeks. I
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don't recall the the the the exact content of each week,
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but uh it, I believe it correlates to some extent
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also with because you have you have let let me
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let me back up and say this. Sure, you have
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a very famous portion of Enoch that's called the animal
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apocalypse and the animal Apocalypse, and I'm gonna talk about
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how this relates to the prophecy of weeks in a moment. Yeah,
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the animal apocalypse is the retelling of the metaphorical the
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it's an it's an allegory, not a metaphor. It's an allegory.
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It's an allegoric, allegory retelling of the history of the Jews.
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And and it ends in the Maccabean revolt, or near
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the end is the Maccabean revolting, and it it omits
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the most important thing, the birth of Christ, totally omits
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Jesus of Nazareth. So it's important to understand that when
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we are in the latter portions of Eenoch, we're dealing
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with we are dealing with a script, a text that
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is that is definitely and uniquely Jewish. We have departed
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from sort of the Old Testament New Testament context. We
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are now we are now dealing with tests that is tech,
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a text that is that is a Second Temple Jewish
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and it it it is written in the line of
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as I said earlier, of the other traditions, such as
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a chariot mysticism. And so you have sprinkled throughout Second
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the latter portions of Second Enoch, you have a whole
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lot of content, scatological content that conforms to the to
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Jewish mysticism. And so I'm and that's you know, a
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lot of people like to reference the Animal Apocalypse and
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for various reasons, and the Animal Apocalypse is very useful
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in affirming this idea that the watchers, for example, were
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angels and not humans. It absolutely affirms that the watchers
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were heavenly beings, they were the sons of God. And
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it's and again this is written after Christ, so it's
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it's an affirmation of that. It's very useful in those terms.
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But I don't believe that that that that distinctly Jewish
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material much of it. Again, the product of mysticism is
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authentic in regard to prophecy, precisely because it departs from
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the Biblical narrative and rejects the most important prophetic event ever,
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which was the birth of Christ and the death and
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resurrection of Christ. So I look upon the Animal Apocalypse
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and the and the prophecy of Weeks as the product
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of Jewish mysticism and not as authentic prophecy. That would
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be my perspective. So I'm not entirely sure. I don't
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recall exactly what the content of the Weeks is, but
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if it's if it's in the latter portions of Enoch
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and written in the same style, then it's then it's
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very likely the product of Jewish mysticism in my estimation.
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Hey, everybody, sorry for the quick interruption here, but there
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are a few things that I wanted to quickly say
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about the Apocalypse of Weeks that I didn't have right
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in my mind during the actual interview, so I figured
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i'd just add it here because I know people will
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have questions since I've done a lot of videos on
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the Apocalypse of Weeks. So first, I don't know anything
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about the Animal Apocalypse. I haven't really studied that myself,
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so I'm fully willing to take Tim's word for everything
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that he said relating to that. As far as the Weeks,
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Tim implied that he hadn't really looked that much into it,
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but gave some really good markers, I think, really wise
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things of what we might look for that would make
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make parts of Enoch something from Jewish mysticism. So he
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said that the Animal Apocalypse totally removes the Messiah from it,
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totally removes Jesus, which Jewish mystics would want to do. Now,
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Enoch's Apocalypse of Weeks, however, does actually include information about
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the Messiah. It's in the sixth week and it reads,
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and after that in the sixth week, all who live
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in it shall be blinded. In the hearts of all
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of them shall godlessly forsake was him, And in it
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a man shall ascend. And at its close the House
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of Dominion shall burn with fire, and the whole race
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of the Chosen Root shall be dispersed. So it's talking
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about the apostasy that occurred at the end of their
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Age of Torah. It talks about Jesus that you know,
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that's the man that ascends. Obviously, it talks about the
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destruction of the temple, and then it talks about the
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dispersion of the Jews all in that six weeks. So
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again where it says that in it a man shall ascend,
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that's clearly talking about Jesus. Tim also makes a good
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point that some of the additions in later parts of
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First Enoch came in much later, such as in the
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ad set of years after Christ. However, Enoch's Apocalypse of
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weeks was actually found within the Dead Sea Scrolls, and
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most sources say that the Book of Enoch, specifically from
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the Dead Sea Scrolls, was written somewhere around the late
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second century BC. Tim also said said, so I don't.
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I don't think the timing line's up there. Tim also
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said that he wasn't exactly sure about the apocalypse Apocalypse
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of Weeks, but if it's written in the same style
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as the Jewish mystic parts, like leaving out the Messiah
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and things like that, and if it was from that
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that time, in that first in the first century, then
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then in that case then he says it's probably from
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Jewish mysticism. Given those parameters, and because the prophecies are
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specific and we can track the prophecies in the Apocalypse
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of Weeks throughout time, I don't think the specific part
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of Enoch would be from Jewish mysticism, but I very
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well could be wrong, so I'm not I'm not contradicting
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anything Tim says here, and if Tim is right, then
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I agree we absolutely should reject it. And admittedly I
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haven't studied the animal apocalypse nearly as much as the
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Apocalypse of Weeks, so again I'm totally willing to take
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Tim's word on that. As far as the Apocalypse of Weeks,
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I don't know given that given what Tim said to
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look for, I'm not seeing Jewish mysticism in that section,
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But admittedly, again I could be wrong, So in all
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fairness to the audience, I just wanted to quickly point
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that out because I knew I would get questions about
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it since I've done a ton of videos on the
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Apocalypse of Weeks, and obviously, again, if it turned out
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that the Apocalypse of Weeks actually did come from Jewish mysticism,
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I would reject it completely, and I would suggest everybody
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01:18:19.399 --> 01:18:23.359
else did too. But personally, I would need some more
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information about it and how to answer the fact that
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it does reference the Messiah and the dating of it
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is a couple of centuries before Christ, so not in
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the adeep part where Jewish mysticism seems to have crept
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into parts of the text. All right, just wanted to
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put that out there, So now let's get back to
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our conversation with Timothy Alberino. Yeah, that's really interesting. It's
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something that I've looked into as well and have wondered
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about that. And something else that you mentioned too. There's
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a lot of prophecies regarding the first Coming of Christ,
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and I've wondered too if that was maybe one of
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the reasons that it was kept out as well by
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the Jewish.
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Yes, oh, yes, because that was gonna be my primary point.
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I wish I would have made that point. I was
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going on that.
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Okay, well that was my next question anyway, because a
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lot of that's from the Book of Parables.
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Right, yeah, so so that was that. In fact, I
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wish I would have said that earlier maybe and cut
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this in. But the primary reason that I think the
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Book of Enoch was rejected by the Jews specifically was
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because it testified of the man they had crucified. And
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again to Trullion makes this argument as well, and and
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that I think is without question that was to the sugar,
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I mean, to the chagrin of the Jews, first century Jews,
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the First Enoch absolutely authenticates the life and ministry of
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Jesus of Nazareth, and that I think that is without
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question the primary reason why it was rejected in the
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Jewish canon. And that and that's very important point that
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I that I failed. I was getting there, and I
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got when I distracted myself with other thoughts. But that
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is the most important point is in regard to why
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it was rejected from the Jewish canon. So thanks for
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reminding me of that. And and the christological content in
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the parables is more, I would say that in some
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regard there it's more specific than anything written in the
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Old Testament than any christological content in the Old Testament
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in some regards, especially as it pertains to the eschatological
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content and Jesus, as I'm sure your viewers know, Jesus
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had at his disposal many Messianic epithets that he could
1238
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have used to describe himself, and he doesn't use any
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of them from the Old Testament. Rather, he uses a title,
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not a description, a title from the Book of Enoch,
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the son of Man. And people say, well, that's in Daniel, No,
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it's not, it's not. It's never employed. Son of Man
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is never employed as a title in the Old Testament.
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It's employed as a description, Daniel says. And I saw
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one who had the appearance of a son of Man,
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or who looked like one of the sons of men.
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That's a description. The only place that you find son
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of Man as a proper title is in the Book
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of Enoch, and perhaps in other dead seas. Girls was
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certainly in the Book of Enoch. And so when Jesus
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refers to himself as the son of Man, he is
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claiming to be that son of Man from the Parables
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of Enoch. And that's very important because we get to
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a scene in the New in the Gospels where Jesus
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is standing before Caiaphas and and and he's asked directly,
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are you the son of God? And Jesus says, I am,
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and you will see the son of Man seated at
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the right hand of the Father. And he basically references
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this passage. And people think that the passage he's referencing
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is in the Book of Daniel. No, it's not. He's
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referencing a passage from Enoch. There clearly, and I demonstrate
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that in my book. And so the high priest tears
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his garments when he hears this, and everyone, you know,
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because we have because of Western scholarship, we are taught
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that the high priest is tearing his garments because Jesus
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is claiming to be God. That's not true. Jesus is
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claiming to be the fulfillment of the Nachian prophecies in
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the parables. That's why he's tearing his garment, because he's saying,
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I'm that son of Man, and what does that son
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of man do? He presides over the judgment on the
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Last Day he's the great judge, and so they are
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convicting the judge. Think about that, they are presiding in
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judgment over the great judge, who's going to preside in
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judgment over all of mankind at the end of the age.
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And when Jesus says that that's who I am, and
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I'm coming with the clouds of heaven, which is a
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reference not just from Daniel but directly for me. Not
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then that that was too much for the high priest.
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He tears his garments because precisely because Jesus was claiming
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to be that Son of Man from all those prophecies,
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and and they're really remarkable. I should have pulled them
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up here in front of me. But the prophecies were
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pertaining the Son of Man in the parables are are breathtaking.
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I mean there in terms of their in terms of
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their clear fulfillment. In Jesus of Nazareth, you know, there's
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a phrase used you don't find anywhere else, but in
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the Book of Enoch. It says that in his name
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they are saved in reference to the Son of Man.
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And it says that the righteous hang upon the Lord
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of spirits, and it says this three times in the
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Book of enochs it used this phraseology that the righteous
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hang upon the Lord of the spirits. This is where
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Paul derives we are crucified with Christ, and the idea
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that's exposed espousing the Book of Enoch is that the
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righteousness of the Lord of spirits through the Son of
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Man is imputed to those who believe in his name.
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This is where the New Testament doctrine comes from. So
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much of the doctrines of the New Testament, especially the Cristological,
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the Christological doctrines, come from the Book of Enoch clearly. So,
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I mean, in most scholar would not dispute that they
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would recognize that the the writers of the New Testament
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01:25:05.479 --> 01:25:09.560
are drawing on the Book of Enoch, and they're drawing
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01:25:09.680 --> 01:25:13.920
on the parables more than anything else. Now they will
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01:25:13.960 --> 01:25:15.640
reference the narrative which is found in the Book of
1305
01:25:15.640 --> 01:25:20.039
the Watchers, but they're drawing on the parables in their Christology.
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So you know, for example, we'll throw this out there.
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For example, you know, if you're reading the Bible and
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you get to where Jesus the New Testament, you get
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to Jesus says in my father's house are many rooms,
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or some versions say mansions. And if it were not so,
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I would have told you, well, if you're just reading
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the New Testament and you're just reading the canon of Scripture,
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that has to read as new revelation to you, because
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there is nowhere, nowhere in the Old Testament where we're
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01:25:53.159 --> 01:25:56.439
told that there are mansions in heaven. But guess where
1316
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we're told that there are mansions in heaven in Enoch.
1317
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Enoch says chapter forty one, and after that, I saw
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all the secrets of the heavens, and how the kingdom
1319
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is divided, and how the actions of men are weighed
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in the balance. And there I saw the mansions of
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the elect and the mansions of the Holy. So that's
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just one of many, many examples where Jesus is directly
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01:26:20.319 --> 01:26:23.800
drawing on content from Enoch.
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That is so fascinating. I absolutely love this kind of stuff.
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And Enoch is obviously full of prophecy. But what are
1326
01:26:31.960 --> 01:26:35.680
some of the most shocking prophecies that stuck out to you?
1327
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And do you believe that we'll be seeing some of
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01:26:37.880 --> 01:26:41.439
these end times prophecies being fulfilled soon in our time?
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The prophecies in Enoch are and let me let me
1330
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pull my notes up here because the prophecies in Enoch
1331
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are related primarily in the parables to the coming of Christ,
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what he's going to do, the mission of Christ, but
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especially in the return of Christ the judgment. That's that's
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the main thrust of those prophecies is in regard to
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the final judgment. And and the Son of Man is
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named as the judge. There's I'll give you so, and
1337
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I know you're very familiar with this, but just to
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give people an idea of the christological content in the
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Book of Enoch, I want there there's a there's a
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there's a there's the the verse in Daniel. There's the
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passage in Daniel that again, most scholars assume that when
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Jesus refers to himself as the Son of Man, he's
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he's he's he's referencing Daniel. And this is this is
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almost universally accepted, and it's it's wrong, but it's almost
1345
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universally accepted. And in Daniel you read uh in Daniel seven,
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I saw him. I saw in the night visions, and behold,
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with the clouds of heaven, there came one like a
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son of Man, and he came to the ancient or
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head of days and was presented before him, and to
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him was given dominion and glory and the kingdom that
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all people's nations and languages should serve him. His dominion
1352
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is an everlasting dominion which shall not pass away, and
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his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed. That's it.
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That's where people think that Jesus is deriving this title
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son of man is from that passage, right. But here's
1356
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what I want people to consider, and and this is
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going to get into the one of the most remarkable
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01:28:32.159 --> 01:28:38.560
prophecies here that Daniel was referencing an older prophecy here,
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namely an Inanachian prophecy, a prophecy from the Oracles of Enoch.
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And it is within this prophecy that the term son
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of man is employed as a proper title and throughout
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the christological content in Enoch. And so this is where
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I think Daniel is deriving his vision is sort of
1364
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an addendum to what I'm about to read. This comes
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from the book of Enoch. And at that hour that
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son of man proper title son of man was named,
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not one like the son of man. That son of
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man was named in the presence of the Lord of spirits,
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and his name before the head of days, yea, before
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the sun and the signs were created, before the stars
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01:29:24.199 --> 01:29:28.279
of heaven were made. His name was named before the
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Lord of spirits. So here you have the doctrine. You
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have John's christological doctrine, that in the beginning was the Word,
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and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
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He was in the beginning with God. He came from
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the bosom of God. Right, this is being said of
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the Son of Man in the book of Enoch. He
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shall be a staff to the righteous, whereupon to stay
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themselves and not fall. And he shall be the light
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of the gentiles or nations, and the hope of those
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who are troubled of heart. This is written before Jesus
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of Nazareth walked walked the earth. All who dwell on
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the earth shall fall down and worship before him, and
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will praise and bless and celebrate with song the Lord
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of Spirits. And for this reason hath he been chosen
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and hidden before him before the creation of the world
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and forevermore. Again that John is deriving his Christology from Enoch,
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that Jesus was with the Father in the beginning, before
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the creation of the world, and the wisdom of the
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Lord of Spirits, hath revealed him to the holy and righteous,
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for he hath preserved the lot of the righteous, because
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they have hated and despised this world of unrighteousness, and
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have hated all its works and ways in the name
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of the Lord of Spirits. For in his name they
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are saved, and according to His good pleasure, hath it
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been in regard to their life. So this is descriptive
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of the ministry of Jesus of Nazareth in a way
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that that few other prophecies are. It's laying the foundation
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for Jesus being eternal with the Father and the bosom
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of the Father before creation. It's laying the foundation for
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01:31:17.279 --> 01:31:20.920
the doctrine that creation was created through the Son of God,
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01:31:21.359 --> 01:31:23.640
by him and for him, and through him, right by
1403
01:31:23.720 --> 01:31:26.199
him and by him and through him and for him,
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01:31:26.520 --> 01:31:30.039
and all things in him consist and are held together.
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01:31:30.920 --> 01:31:35.119
This John didn't just and and Paul didn't just invent
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01:31:35.239 --> 01:31:40.199
this doctrine. They're deriving it from Enoch and I. And
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this becomes clear as you read through the parables. They're
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deriving this doctrine from what was written of Christ, perhaps
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01:31:48.079 --> 01:31:50.600
in the anti Aluvian world, by the hand of Enoch himself,
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01:31:51.840 --> 01:31:56.279
and so these and here's an example, another example given
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my introduction, and and I'll reiterate this. I'll read this
1412
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portion here of my introduction very quickly. It has been
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it has long been taught that the high Priest tore
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his robes because Jesus had committed the ultimate blasphemyth claiming
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to be God blasphem. The blasphemy, however, was much more
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01:32:14.039 --> 01:32:18.079
specific than this. By declaring himself the son of Man,
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01:32:18.239 --> 01:32:21.520
Jesus was claiming to be the elect One, whom Enoch
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01:32:21.600 --> 01:32:25.520
beheld seated on the throne of his glory and presiding
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01:32:25.560 --> 01:32:28.279
in judgment over the rulers of the earth. And here's
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01:32:28.319 --> 01:32:30.960
that prophecy for me, not one of the prophecies. And
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thus the Lord commanded the kings and the mighty and
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the exalted, and those who dwell on the earth, and said,
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open your eyes and lift up your horns, if you
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01:32:38.640 --> 01:32:41.880
are able to recognize the elect One. And the Lord
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01:32:41.880 --> 01:32:45.159
of the Spirit seated him on the throne of his glory,
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and the spirit of righteousness was poured out upon him,
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and the word of his mouth slays all the sinners,
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and all the unrighteous are destroyed before his face, and
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there shall stand up in that day all the kings
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01:32:56.039 --> 01:32:57.960
and the mighty, and the exalted, and those who hold
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01:32:57.960 --> 01:33:01.079
the earth, and they shall see and recognize how he
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sits on the throne of his glory and righteousness is
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01:33:05.199 --> 01:33:09.239
judged before him, and no lying word is spoken before him.
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01:33:09.239 --> 01:33:11.439
And then I write this, there must have been at
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least one cautious member of the Sanhedrin assembled in the
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home of Caiaphas, that faithful knight, nervously contemplating the words
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01:33:18.680 --> 01:33:22.119
of Enoch, as he watched his colleagues spit on Jesus
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and strike him in the face. So imagine this, the
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01:33:27.000 --> 01:33:32.960
members of the Sanhedrin are spitting and slapping the judge
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01:33:33.000 --> 01:33:39.000
of the universe. They're slapping the face of the great
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01:33:39.119 --> 01:33:42.560
judge who's going to preside over their judgment at the
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01:33:42.640 --> 01:33:48.680
end of the age. Right, And then I direct our
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01:33:48.720 --> 01:33:52.520
attention to this prophecy in Enoch. Then shall pain come
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01:33:52.600 --> 01:33:55.920
upon them, as on a woman in travail when her
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01:33:56.000 --> 01:33:58.479
child enters the mouth of the womb, and she has
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01:33:58.520 --> 01:34:01.199
pain in bringing forth. And one portion of them shall
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01:34:01.239 --> 01:34:04.000
look on the other, and they shall be terrified, and
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01:34:04.039 --> 01:34:08.319
they shall be downcast of continents and pain shall see them,
1449
01:34:08.600 --> 01:34:12.279
shall seize them when they see that son of Man
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01:34:12.560 --> 01:34:15.359
sitting on the throne of his glory. So, in other words,
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the same members of the Sanhedrin who are spitting in
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01:34:18.920 --> 01:34:23.479
Jesus's face at the Resurrection, when they see that son
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01:34:23.520 --> 01:34:27.600
of Man sitting on the throne of his glory, they're
1454
01:34:27.600 --> 01:34:30.800
going to have problems. And all the kings and the mighty,
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01:34:30.840 --> 01:34:32.840
and the exalted, and those who rule the earth shall
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01:34:32.880 --> 01:34:35.399
fall down before him on their faces and worship and
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01:34:35.479 --> 01:34:38.199
set their hope upon that son of Man, and petition
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01:34:38.840 --> 01:34:42.479
him and supplicate for mercy at his hands. And you know,
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01:34:42.520 --> 01:34:45.239
it's really interesting. People sometimes miss this. Jesus uses this
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01:34:45.520 --> 01:34:50.920
very bizarre phraseology where he says, for example, on the
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01:34:50.960 --> 01:34:53.199
Mount of Olives, when he's conversing with his disciples on
1462
01:34:53.239 --> 01:34:58.359
the Mount of Olives, he explicitly identifies himself as this
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01:34:58.520 --> 01:35:02.039
prefigured judge of the nation from these passages in Enoch,
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01:35:03.079 --> 01:35:07.159
even adopting the peculiar sit on the throne of his
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01:35:07.439 --> 01:35:10.560
glory phraseology, which does not appear in the Old Testament,
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01:35:11.199 --> 01:35:12.920
when the Son of Man is Xenoch, when the son
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of Man comes in his glory. No, this is Jesus
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at the Mount of Olives, when the Son of Man
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01:35:18.239 --> 01:35:20.439
comes in his glory and all the Holy angels with him,
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Then he will sit on the throne of his glory.
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All the nations will be gathered before him, and he
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will separate them one from the other, as a shepherd
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01:35:29.880 --> 01:35:33.239
divides his sheep from the goats. So Jesus of Nazareth
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is using the same phraseology from the Book of Enoch,
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which he is clearly referencing in regard to himself presiding
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01:35:40.439 --> 01:35:42.880
a judgment at the end of the age. He didn't
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invent it. He didn't invent it right, and there is
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01:35:46.119 --> 01:35:50.159
no Son of Man proper title in the Old Testament,
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so when he talks about the Son of Man presiding
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in judgment at the end of the Age, he can
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only be referencing first Enoch and specifically the Parables.
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01:36:03.560 --> 01:36:07.119
Yeah, that that is. That is absolutely fascinating and really
1483
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really just thrilling to hear that. Well, we we could,
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I mean, we just barely scratched the surface if we
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if we went through the whole book, we'd be here
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another five hours, not that that would be the first
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01:36:16.119 --> 01:36:18.720
time we've done that, but probably don't have time for
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it today before we close out, though, do you have
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any final words for for the audience and about the
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Book of Enoch or anything that's on your heart.
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I would just encourage people to be careful. You know,
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it's not black and white. It's not a binary choice
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01:36:34.439 --> 01:36:37.159
in regard to the Book of Enoch being authentic or inauthentic,
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or gospel or not gospel, or or scripture or not scripture.
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It's it's it's much more convoluted than that. The Book
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01:36:44.960 --> 01:36:48.720
of Enoch is obviously written by a couple of different authors.
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Some of it was written before Christ. I would say
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that's the authentic or the more authentic portions of Enoch.
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The latter portions of Enoch are written post Ono Domini,
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so they're a written after the birth of Christ. And
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I would caution people from deriving doctrines from the latter version,
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01:37:09.640 --> 01:37:13.199
from the latter portions of Enoch, because you're going to
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01:37:13.199 --> 01:37:18.079
be deriving doctrines from Jewish mysticism. And as a final thought,
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01:37:18.439 --> 01:37:23.000
you know, it's important to understand that the narrative of
1505
01:37:23.159 --> 01:37:26.640
the Enoch is two things. It's a historical narrative and
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01:37:26.680 --> 01:37:30.279
then it's metaphysical. And when I say historical narrative. Of course,
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01:37:30.319 --> 01:37:32.640
I'm referencing the Watchers, the story of the Watchers. But
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01:37:32.680 --> 01:37:37.800
then the narrative ends and Enoch begins to have dreams. Okay,
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01:37:38.119 --> 01:37:43.239
So everything Enoch is seen and experiencing after the narrative portion,
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01:37:43.479 --> 01:37:46.159
and even some things within the narrative portion, because his
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01:37:46.239 --> 01:37:49.399
interface with the Watchers is through dreams with the Holy
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01:37:49.439 --> 01:37:55.600
Watchers and visions, mostly dreams, so he's asleep. Everything that's
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01:37:55.600 --> 01:38:00.000
happening after the narrative, I would say probably everything literally
1514
01:38:00.159 --> 01:38:03.199
one hundred percent, although I'm maybe I'm not exactly accurate
1515
01:38:03.239 --> 01:38:07.920
on that, but is happening within the context of a dream. Okay.
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01:38:08.279 --> 01:38:11.600
So people go in there and they extract all of
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01:38:11.600 --> 01:38:15.720
this literal stuff out of what is clearly metaphorical, and
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01:38:15.880 --> 01:38:17.439
we know that, and let me just kind of put
1519
01:38:17.439 --> 01:38:20.760
a capstone on that thought. This is very important when
1520
01:38:20.800 --> 01:38:24.760
people consider the Book of Enoch, especially the latter portions.
1521
01:38:24.960 --> 01:38:27.960
So I'm going to again, I'm differentiating between the Book
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01:38:27.960 --> 01:38:30.199
of the Watchers and the Parables, which comprises the part
1523
01:38:30.239 --> 01:38:33.199
of the book which was written before Christ and is authenticated.
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01:38:34.880 --> 01:38:38.760
The parables are authenticated because they have accurate prophecies pertaining
1525
01:38:38.800 --> 01:38:41.479
to Christ. And the book. In the Book of Revelations,
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01:38:41.520 --> 01:38:45.119
were told that the testimony of Jesus is the spirit
1527
01:38:45.479 --> 01:38:48.640
of prophecy. Okay, So I think that there's an authenticating
1528
01:38:48.680 --> 01:38:52.880
mechanism built into the parables. Okay. So let's differentiate that
1529
01:38:54.279 --> 01:38:58.680
from what comes after the parables, which is largely metaphysical
1530
01:38:58.720 --> 01:39:05.520
content dreams. And certainly be wary of extracting or listening
1531
01:39:05.720 --> 01:39:10.840
or accepting anything from anyone who has extracted literal interpretations
1532
01:39:10.880 --> 01:39:14.479
of metaphysical portions of Enoch. And what I mean by
1533
01:39:14.479 --> 01:39:18.520
that is the Book of Enoch, after the narrative and
1534
01:39:18.600 --> 01:39:22.680
prophetic portion, which is Book the Watchers and Parables going forward,
1535
01:39:22.680 --> 01:39:28.039
the Book of Enoch is largely metaphorical, allegorical, and parabolic.
1536
01:39:29.479 --> 01:39:32.319
That gets lost in the conversation, but it is, and
1537
01:39:32.399 --> 01:39:35.960
I can prove it in chapter forty three. And this,
1538
01:39:36.000 --> 01:39:39.600
by the way, is within the pre christ portion of
1539
01:39:39.640 --> 01:39:44.239
the book in chapter forty three. And I'll end on this.
1540
01:39:44.399 --> 01:39:46.560
I think this is very important for people to understand.
1541
01:39:47.199 --> 01:39:50.920
We're told how to interpret the metaphysical content of Enoch.
1542
01:39:51.560 --> 01:39:54.159
And I saw and this is Enoch, and I saw
1543
01:39:54.279 --> 01:39:56.920
other lightnings and the stars of heaven, and I saw
1544
01:39:56.960 --> 01:39:59.520
how he called them all by their names, and they
1545
01:39:59.600 --> 01:40:02.880
hearkened under him, and I saw how they are weighed
1546
01:40:02.920 --> 01:40:05.640
in a righteous balance according to the proportions of light.
1547
01:40:06.079 --> 01:40:07.800
And I saw the width of their spaces, and the
1548
01:40:07.840 --> 01:40:10.479
day of their pairing. I saw, and how their revolution
1549
01:40:10.640 --> 01:40:13.920
produces lightning. And I saw their revolution according to the
1550
01:40:14.000 --> 01:40:16.239
number of the angels, and how they keep faith with
1551
01:40:16.600 --> 01:40:18.840
each other. So if we were to, just as many
1552
01:40:18.840 --> 01:40:22.520
people do, extract a literal interpretation from this, what would
1553
01:40:22.560 --> 01:40:27.279
we what would we say? We would say that there's lightnings,
1554
01:40:27.279 --> 01:40:31.119
and that the lightnings in heaven have names. Okay, so
1555
01:40:31.159 --> 01:40:34.760
the lightnings have names, and they hearken to the voice
1556
01:40:34.800 --> 01:40:38.000
of God. They're weighed in a balance according to their
1557
01:40:38.000 --> 01:40:41.399
proportions of light. So lightning is weighed according to its
1558
01:40:41.399 --> 01:40:45.520
proportion of light, and the width of their spaces, and
1559
01:40:45.560 --> 01:40:48.920
the day of their pairing and their revolution. And so
1560
01:40:49.239 --> 01:40:54.119
they there that that is communicating something about you know,
1561
01:40:55.000 --> 01:41:00.159
how they appear and everything, and that their revolution produces lightning.
1562
01:41:00.279 --> 01:41:05.239
So the star, the revolution of the stars, produces lightning. Right,
1563
01:41:05.279 --> 01:41:07.680
So someone may go in there and say, ahah, this
1564
01:41:07.760 --> 01:41:10.039
is proof for an electric universe or something like that.
1565
01:41:10.079 --> 01:41:12.359
I don't know. I'm just making that up because flat
1566
01:41:12.359 --> 01:41:15.000
earthers extract a lot of stuff literally of Book of
1567
01:41:15.159 --> 01:41:21.439
na Right, So it's like, oh, that's interesting. Stars produce lightning.
1568
01:41:21.520 --> 01:41:23.239
How do I know? The Book of ENoC says, so
1569
01:41:25.479 --> 01:41:28.640
does it. This is the rest of that passage. Now
1570
01:41:28.680 --> 01:41:33.479
listen carefully. And I asked the angel who went with me,
1571
01:41:34.000 --> 01:41:36.359
who showed me what was hidden? So this angel is
1572
01:41:36.359 --> 01:41:39.399
showing him all this stuff in a dream. Okay, he's
1573
01:41:39.439 --> 01:41:45.399
having a dream. What are these? So what is all
1574
01:41:45.399 --> 01:41:48.760
this revolutions of stars and lightnings? And listen to what
1575
01:41:48.760 --> 01:41:52.720
the angel tells him. And he said to me, the
1576
01:41:52.800 --> 01:42:01.920
Lord of Spirits has showed you their parabolic meaning. Literally
1577
01:42:02.600 --> 01:42:05.640
they're parable. Okay, Now the angel is going to tell
1578
01:42:05.680 --> 01:42:09.119
us what all this stuff means. And here's a hint.
1579
01:42:09.359 --> 01:42:14.640
It's not literal. Their names. These are the names of
1580
01:42:14.680 --> 01:42:19.479
the holy who dwell on the earth and believe in
1581
01:42:19.560 --> 01:42:24.359
the name of the Lord of Spirits forever and ever.
1582
01:42:25.880 --> 01:42:30.159
So within the Book of Enoch, we're given a roadmap
1583
01:42:30.279 --> 01:42:33.279
as to how to interpret all of the metaphysical content,
1584
01:42:34.439 --> 01:42:41.159
non literal parabolic interpretation. That's the only way that you
1585
01:42:41.159 --> 01:42:45.159
will derive anything useful from the metaphysical portions of Enoch.
1586
01:42:47.039 --> 01:42:49.760
And this escapes everyone. Not everyone, but it escapes a
1587
01:42:49.800 --> 01:42:52.359
lot of people say, they go in there and they find,
1588
01:42:52.920 --> 01:42:55.640
you know, these they find. They think they're harvesting a
1589
01:42:55.640 --> 01:42:58.840
bunch of proofs for flat Earth. The Book of Enoch
1590
01:42:58.920 --> 01:43:01.199
is a flat Earth book, they say. And don't mean
1591
01:43:01.199 --> 01:43:05.119
to go on a platter tirade here, But it's not true.
1592
01:43:05.720 --> 01:43:12.079
It's metaphorical, allegorical and parabolic, all that metaphysical content. And
1593
01:43:12.239 --> 01:43:15.760
we're told it is right in the text. Right, So
1594
01:43:16.199 --> 01:43:20.600
someone who interpretses literally is walking away with the rotation
1595
01:43:20.640 --> 01:43:24.800
of starstrates lightning, right. But someone who properly interprets it
1596
01:43:24.840 --> 01:43:27.880
is going to walk away understanding that this is a
1597
01:43:28.000 --> 01:43:37.159
metaphorical description of believers who believe in the name of
1598
01:43:37.199 --> 01:43:40.880
the Lord of the spirits. In other words, the light
1599
01:43:41.159 --> 01:43:45.439
that we produce as believers, right, that we are the
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01:43:45.479 --> 01:43:48.640
light of the world. The light that we produce is
1601
01:43:48.680 --> 01:43:52.840
going to be weighed in the balance. Well, that's what
1602
01:43:52.840 --> 01:43:54.600
we're told the New test as what Jesus tells us,
1603
01:43:54.600 --> 01:43:57.880
that our works will be judged and we will be
1604
01:43:57.920 --> 01:44:03.079
rewarded according to our words. That's what it's But but
1605
01:44:03.079 --> 01:44:05.960
but you only will understand that if you approach the
1606
01:44:06.000 --> 01:44:12.000
metaphor the metaphorical, the metaphysical portions of Enoch from the
1607
01:44:12.199 --> 01:44:15.319
correct perspective, right, So that I think that's that's a
1608
01:44:15.359 --> 01:44:18.760
good a good thing to remember. And for those who
1609
01:44:18.760 --> 01:44:22.600
are diving into Enoch, keep that in mind. It's very
1610
01:44:22.640 --> 01:44:26.600
important to handle the metaphorical content correctly, or else you're
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01:44:26.600 --> 01:44:29.920
going to walk away with some really weird ideas from
1612
01:44:29.920 --> 01:44:32.159
the Book of Eno. You know that the heavens have
1613
01:44:32.279 --> 01:44:35.399
windows and this, and that that the stars are are
1614
01:44:37.079 --> 01:44:42.439
that the stars are actually uh sentient beings. This is
1615
01:44:42.439 --> 01:44:45.800
derived from Noch and people who go around saying that
1616
01:44:45.680 --> 01:44:47.920
that the that the Book of Enoch says that the
1617
01:44:47.960 --> 01:44:52.520
stars are actual sentient beings. They're taking what is not
1618
01:44:52.800 --> 01:44:55.720
They're taking literal what is not meant to be taken
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01:44:55.800 --> 01:44:59.239
literal clearly according not according to me, not according to
1620
01:44:59.279 --> 01:45:02.560
Timothy al Renal, according to the angel in the Book
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01:45:02.560 --> 01:45:09.359
of Enoch. So keep that in mind. Yeah, when people
1622
01:45:09.479 --> 01:45:12.720
go in there and harvest all kinds of crazy stuff
1623
01:45:12.760 --> 01:45:16.039
from this metaphysical text, Yeah, a lot.
1624
01:45:15.960 --> 01:45:17.479
Of people do that with the Bible too. They just
1625
01:45:17.520 --> 01:45:19.239
want to make it mean what they want it to mean,
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01:45:19.279 --> 01:45:21.319
and they don't care what it what it actually means.
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And you know here here we care what it actually means.
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So I really appreciate that.
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Yeah, the same applies. The same applies for profiting the Bible.
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Profitsing the Bible is metaphorical, allegorical, and parabolic.
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Well, Tim, this has been a lot of fun and
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it always is when we when we get to when
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we get together and have these conversations. Thank you so
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much for making the time for this episode.
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Thanks for having me Josh.
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Yeah, absolutely anytime, and thank all of you again. I
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highly suggest you go to Amazon and pick up Tim's
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new book, A Commentary on Enoch. Check that out help
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support his ministry. Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
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And I forgot to say that the book also includes
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concept scenes, artwork. It's it's got full color pages, it's
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it's uh, it's got some additional stuff in it too,
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not just commentary, and so that's that's also a feature
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of our edition.
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Yeah, definitely. And I had a chance to check out
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some of that today and it all looks great. People
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at home, you're gonna love this commentary. It's one of
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the best that I've ever read, and I highly suggest it.
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So check that out on Amazon, and thank all of
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you so much for joining me on another episode of
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The Sharpening Report. And until next time, love you all,
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take care and God bless.
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Hi everybody, it's me Cinderella. Ax. You are listening to
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Just go to Fringe radionetwork dot com right at the
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I know, slippers, we got to keep cleaning these chimneys.