Post Spring ESPN Power Rankings & CFB Head Coaching Rankings

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Hey everybody, welcome back Episode 11 of Forth and Wrong.
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Today is May 20th 2024.
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Today's episode we discuss the ES ESPN Power rankings, post-spring Teams most likely to fall from those rankings in our opinions and head coaching rankings, and much, much more.
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Chris, crazy week in a lot of sports.
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Maybe not college football perhaps, but you had the PGA Championship, which was crazy.
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Scotty.
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Shepard getting arrested.
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I forgot about that.
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Twitter in general was the most unhinged I have ever seen it maybe ever.
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I don't know what was going on elite meme day no, that was an elite meme day, yeah um, and I will say too about that, like espn was covering it, like scotty scheffler was the one that had murdered that man so I woke up that day at 11 30.
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This sleep cycle has been atrocious and I well.
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So here's the thing.
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So, like the new job, like I'm like video editing and producing matt show, matt show is on at like 3 pm central time.
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It's like 4 pm here.
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It doesn't end until like 4 pm here.
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It doesn't end until like 7.30 our time.
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We do our daily show between 8 and 8.30.
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After that, the routine is I've been trying to not stay up late.
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Then every night around like 12 or 1, I'm like I got a second one.
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Let's go re-watch the OC.
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I woke up.
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Great show, by the way, I'm in season one right now.
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I don't think I've ever watched consistently it is by the way side note Ryan is possibly the worst actor in the history of fucking acting.
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How does that show hold up 20 years later?
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You tell me the whole show.
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The whole show.
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Um, it's fine, it's whatever.
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No, but like I I said, I woke up at 11 30 and I was like what in what is happening with scotty scheffler?
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because, it was I just saw memes everywhere.
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It was like friday morning and it was like I just like I didn't.
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I thought the whole thing was a joke at first, like yeah, he got arrested and they, they waited, like it like, by the way, the first thing that I saw was a text from you talking about it and I was like, huh, fill me in.
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And then the first, like I I searched his name, spelled his name correctly, no big deal.
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And the first thing I saw was a meme somebody made of him walking out with mini men from 50 cent as like the background.
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It was incredible man that was incredible, yeah, I mean, um, I was watching it live before I went into, I took my kids to school and then I was like I gotta continue to continue to listen to this on Sirius XM Cause it's just something that you've never seen before, really.
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Yeah, and I mean ESPN was like killing photo of of Scotty Scheffler in a jail cell this morning.
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It's like guys, he like no one's got chills from that, everyone's laughing because, outside of the reason that there was all those cops in the first place obviously very sad, but like it's hilarious.
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It's like the nerdy guy that goes to sleep at nine at the sleepover got arrested in the morning.
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By the way, also he's 6'3".
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He's like a big dude.
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Yeah.
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His mugshot and jail combine record was 170.
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No chance, he's 170.
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There's no chance.
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There's absolutely no chance, but good for him.
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Yeah, I mean, it's not often that you get a felony assault of an officer and get out of jail like 10 minutes later I tell you what it's almost never like that um dude, that whole, but the whole thing was like it was.
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So you explain what happened, because I am the most.
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Oh yeah, and they postponed the.
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John glasgow brings a good point.
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They're postponing the proceedings too yeah, so I thought that these charges were going to be dropped like immediately, um, but yeah, I've been seeing tonight on twitter that they were not dropped.
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Um, so that's interesting.
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Uh, yeah, so scotty scheffler, he, he.
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So this is the second day of the tournament Of a major.
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Of a major.
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He's coming off having a baby last week Him personally.
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He gave the birth.
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Nice.
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You can do that now in 2024.
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Yep, and he was just scheduled to have like an 8.30 tee time, so of course he's going to be one of the first people to arrive.
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Of course it's like 6 in the morning, he's pulling in, it's dark outside and he's like, wow, his police presence is just insane.
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Now, chris, when you play in the PGA and you go to these events, you're given a car Title sponsor.
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Usually one of the car companies gets every golfer the same exact car.
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So typically these cops know exactly what cars coming in our players and which are not Um not, yeah, I remember when, when um they were out at like the Buick open and tiger like wrecked his Buick off the cliff.
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No, but okay.
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He shattered his leg.
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Um, so anyways, cop, not only didn't realize that it was a golfer, but like the golfer and Scotty Shepard was like, yeah, I'm just trying to get to my tee time.
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I don't know what that guy thought he meant.
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Maybe just a tee time down the road, just another regular guy.
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But I think the wording was he attached himself to Scotty's car.
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Been there, brother scotty started driving away and that's hard to do but he was driving away.
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Maybe this was a meme, but what I saw was at seven miles an hour for 15 feet yeah, uh, that's.
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Uh, it sounds like that would be accurate.
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Um, okay, though, I do know that it was enough to irreparably damage a pair of 89.99 pants, which it's tough, you know.
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You can't be doing that as a professional so that is tough um.
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Scotty shuffler immediately realizes that something.
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This man is attached to my car.
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I probably should stop in turn.
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He stopped and the officer pulls him from the vehicle, throws him up against the side of the car, cuffs him, and that's when we get Jeff Darlington from ESPN live coverage with his cell phone where Scotty Shuffler is going.
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Help me, man, as he's getting pulled away it's always tough when you're ankle high socks, like the 28 year old that he is, as he's getting pulled away.
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It's always tough when you're In his ankle-high socks, like the 28-year-old that he is the athlete that you aren't, yep.
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It's always tough when you're driving a car and the check officer light comes on.
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That's always one of my least favorite features.
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You know what I mean.
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Of course ESn and every other outlet runs with it.
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Like, what are we gonna do?
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Like it, does he come back and play golf?
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What, what's?
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What does this do for his career?
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And it's like, guys, I'm sure that it's going to be handled pretty quickly.
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Yeah, um, and it was.
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And he comes out and fires a 66, his lowest round ever in the second round of a major Birdie, the first hole, yeah.
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That would have been if he would have won the major.
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We would have been doing a different show, we would have been doing the top five biggest white accomplishments in sports history, and that would have been one of them.
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Like, that would have been absolutely one of them.
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I don't know what the other four would have been, to be honest, but that would have been one of them.
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Um, maybe getting drafted as a defensive back.
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That probably would have been number two, uh, but yeah, I mean, like, what was weird too is that, like they, they postponed everything 80 minutes, like not how I thought it was gonna go.
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And then I saw that will's out, of course, was like, yeah, they should have postponed everything 80 minutes, like not how I saw that was going to go.
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And then I saw that wills out towards like yeah, they should have postponed everything by like four hours.
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And I just I would love to have been in the in the room when they were like, hey, listen, dude, listen, I know it's gonna be a long weekend, scotty is in jail.
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And they're like Scotty, my stepson, the one that's home from community college, no, no, no, scotty scheffler, he is in jail for a felony.
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Like could not be more straight-laced he.
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He is like, he is what like?
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If he wasn't doing this I know he's not mormon, but if he wasn't playing golf and he showed up to my front door in a dwight, shute outfit with a bike helmet, like asking me to read the Book of Mormon, I would probably believe it.
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Yeah, that would be pretty accurate.
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Crazy weekend, obviously with that.
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Xander finally gets one after so many top tens, top fives and majors never closing the deal.
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Do you see this stat by justin ray from from um sirius xm?
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Lowest combined score to par by the entire field.
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So basically total cumulative score in a pga championship?
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The lowest ever was in 1905 at riviera, plus 40.
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Alhalla was minus 214.
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Like the biggest PGA Championship of all time Wow.
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So maybe we don't give Scotty a lot of credit.
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I mean, it's the easiest course ever.
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You couldn't come out and put you in the cell for like 30 minutes, couldn't?
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come out and win Him warming up in the cell, our buddy.
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I think his name is Sam.
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It's not Sam Sneed for sure, it's, oh, sam swank or something like that he's.
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He's like we were supposed to have him on the podcast like two years ago.
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He is from, he went to the university of south carolina.
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He's like instagram dude, tick tocker, like what are you gonna say he?
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And he's hilarious, like he's hilarious.
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He put up a bit about it and it's like tell me, like you imagine, if you were drunk, waking up in a cell and Scotty Scheffler was in the cell, like the drunk tank, scotty Scheffler, what is happening?
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He's just in there doing this little thing, Firing my hips Fire in his hips.
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Baby, you mind pressing down here, help me stretch this quad out.
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Sure brother, probably a lot of eager, eager helpers.
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Uh, on the stretching in jail, I would say that yeah, you might be right on that.
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Um, nba playoffs have been fun.
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Anthony edwards I love that dude.
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He's fun to watch yeah, um, I love that he just he treats every live interview like we do at the podcast.
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He doesn't care what he says.
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Uh-uh, you've got Luka, former Hawk, great Atlanta Hawk, great Luka Doncic.
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Trey's really working out.
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Trey, I think, is going to be traded in the offseason.
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I hate that, is he really there's rumors the Hawks they did get the number one pick In the worst draft in 20 years, so that's good.
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That part is awful.
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Also, somebody posted Like right after they got the number one pick.
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It was like dude, they should have had Anthony Edwards Like years ago.
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And then Trey Young tweeted out something about how.
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He's like yeah, we should have already had him, but I'm not going to get into that right now.
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It's like you know what, trey?
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Why don't you?
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You've got nothing but time right now.
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Yeah, I'd love to hear what happened.
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You've got the Knicks, those loud Knick fans Every game.
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It's like they go out to the outside of Madison Square Garden and to the outside of Madison Square Garden and it's just like a bunch of jabronis out there just going crazy.
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They never win.
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I was very happy about that.
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They got beat badly.
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I will say this as much as I love the range that we have right now, I know that there's probably no one tuning in to hear about the Knicks, which I still watched it it was like two game sevens on Sunday is awesome, but like what an unlikable franchise.
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Yes in general.
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Yeah, all right, let's get into football.
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Where shall we start here, sir ESPN?
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Yeah, so ESPN updated this today.
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Me and Tyler just listen A little peel behind the curtain here.
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Hold on, Where'd it go?
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Yay?
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Okay, there it is.
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We both just had long days and we were sitting here like man.
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What are we going to talk about tonight, dude?
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We'll get to this later.
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But I had to go to the doctor today and then I decided to spend the afternoon with my mom.
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We went to go see a movie Massive miscommunication and confusion.
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She thought I wanted to see Planet of the Apes.
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Not once have I ever wanted to see Planet of the Apes, tyler.
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Not once ever.
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Is that out in movie theaters?
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Yeah, oh, okay, god, how many of those have there been?
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Dude, it's Fast and Furious level numbers and they've been putting them out since the 70s.
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But are there people that really like those movies?
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I don't Are there multiple planets of the apes, or is it just one planet?
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that just no clue, I will say there was only four people in the entire theater me, my mom and the two people right in front of us.
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And at the end of the movie I was holding the door for for him and I was joking around.
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It's like you know, the first two hours were tough.
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That last 30 minutes really really brought it home and they started laughing and this woman, woman, she goes.
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I just you know what.
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Too many monkeys for me, it was too many monkeys for me and it's only one human in that whole movie and I was like that probably was a giveaway from the title.
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But and there's only one human in that whole movie and I was like that probably was a giveaway from the title.
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But yes, there's a full planet of them actually A whole planet.
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A whole planet of them, Anyway.
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But when we were talking about this, we were like what are we going to discuss tonight?
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We hop on ESPN, and who's the one that updated it?
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By the way, it's not Schleybach, is it?
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It is.
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It is Mark.
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Schleybach Served him one time at Houston, just a delightful man.
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But they have updated the post-spring top 25 rankings on ESPN.
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Now this is not FPI.
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I don't believe.
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I think this is just his rankings.
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It's going through it Georgia at one, ohio State at two.
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I think that's got to be the standard everywhere.
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I would be, unless you're just trying to create headlines, I I don't see why they would.
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Anyone like those would be any different anywhere.
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Um three texas four, oregon five, notre dame so I did.
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We talked about notre dame and I.
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I said they would maybe be one of my bus teams relevant to something like this, where people have them in the top 10, top five, I guess, for schleyball right.
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Um, I've I've talked about this.
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You know they have to replace both tackles, um, but I didn't.
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I totally forgot that they brought in Mike Denbrock from LSU.
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That could be a pretty big pickup, I'd say.
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The guy who had the best offense in the country last year.
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Yeah, the Heisman winner Leonard's ankle injury.
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He's still been out.
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He still hasn't practiced.
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He's expected to be ready for the fall, but it's been almost a year since he's played at that point.
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He still hasn't practiced.
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He's expected to be ready for the fall, but it's been almost a year since he's played at that point.
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I don't know.
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That's intriguing to me.
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Top five is big.
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We'll see.
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Yeah.
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Again, they're a top five team and you go on the road in their first game and I think they're a one-point underdog or a one-point favor or something like that.
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We differ game and I think they're a one point underdog or a one point favor or something like that.
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But you know we differ on that because I'm high on Notre Dame.
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Anyway, six Ole Miss, seven Bama, eight Mizzou, nine Utah, ten Michigan.
00:17:32.152 --> 00:17:35.715
So here's the thing that stands out to me the most of this year.
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I feel like in most years there's at least the top five.
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You're like that top five I'm comfortable with.
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I think that top five makes the most sense.
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There could be five teams that are really good and I don't know if it's just like the uncertainty of having a 12-team playoff or what, but this year it just feels like there's only two teams that are legit, like I shouldn't say that there's only two teams that I would feel comfortable with being like that is absolutely where they belong in that top 10.
00:18:06.108 --> 00:18:09.599
Because from three to 10, I think it's a crapshoot.
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I think everyone is kind of just throwing in Texas and Oregon right after that.
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Ole Miss is going to be somewhere in there, you know, and then like the usual suspects.
00:18:19.769 --> 00:18:24.001
Right With Bam and Notre Dame, and then you find two more, but I just thought that was a little bit surprising.
00:18:24.001 --> 00:18:26.846
Let with Bama and Notre Dame, and then you find two more, but I just thought that was a little bit surprising.
00:18:26.846 --> 00:18:27.448
Let's go outside the top 10.
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So Florida State at 11, and then from then on you have Penn State, nc State, which is that jumped out to me a lot, because I did not realize they were ranked top 15.
00:18:37.140 --> 00:18:40.741
So I heard a note about this today and he probably mentions it somewhere in here.
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Yeah, so the four best teams pretty much in the ACC.
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They don't have to play Florida.
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State.
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Miami, Louisville, Virginia Tech.
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And they're probably in the top five of the ACC.
00:18:58.449 --> 00:19:00.619
So the ACC is never really more than five deep of good teams.
00:19:00.619 --> 00:19:13.038
Maybe that's a smart move because you're trying to have, like that gives them a better chance of having more teams with 10 and 11 wins, but at the same time, like I is like, are any of those teams going to be trusted?
00:19:13.038 --> 00:19:16.759
I don't know, I don't know if that's like the right move as a conference, but I don't mean.
00:19:16.778 --> 00:19:36.549
Maybe maybe it wasn't on purpose yeah, who knows, um, they get grayson mccall in who, I think like two years everyone was talking about him being like a first round pick, yeah, and then everyone thought he was going to transfer to possibly florida and apparently there's rumors that he couldn't get into florida based on his grades or something like that, and then he was gonna go somewhere else.
00:19:36.549 --> 00:19:54.874
He never went and I don't really know what he did at coastal carolina last year, like I feel like I didn't hear about him at all last year was he actually last year, I know they opened at ucla and I thought that was gonna be a really fun game and it ended up being like such a battle the head injury last year okay, like emotionally or yeah, I mean, aren't we?
00:19:54.933 --> 00:19:56.403
all, that's for sure.
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Um, all right.
00:19:57.505 --> 00:20:02.080
After that, lsu, tennessee, that 15 spot, tennessee, that's the one that stands out to me.
00:20:02.080 --> 00:20:05.767
That's why nc state stood out the most, because tennessee has them on the road.
00:20:06.647 --> 00:20:12.422
Um, clemson, kansas state, kansas state's a team we're going to talk about a lot.
00:20:12.422 --> 00:20:25.431
There's this offseason, I think, because there's a lot of people that are very high on them and I can't tell if it's because they're going to be good or if it's because they are playing in what is now maybe the weakest.
00:20:25.431 --> 00:20:30.848
Well, I mean, maybe it's better than the SEC, but the Big 12 is wide open.
00:20:30.848 --> 00:20:38.248
This year you have to view the Big 12 almost as like okay, what if Georgia and Bama left the SEC?
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But that's still not even a good.
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It's probably more like what if Ohio State and Michigan left the Big 10?
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Because that's how top heavy that conference has been and the two teams that have run it and one like every single conference title and all that kind of stuff.
00:20:52.147 --> 00:20:56.375
Like it seems like the last decade plus that's going to be.
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It's going to be super interesting, I think.
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18 Oklahoma 19, oklahoma state that's a team people aren't talking a lot about.
00:21:01.546 --> 00:21:10.411
20 Arizona Super interesting on that, because they were we talked about this last year one of the most underrated teams throughout the season.
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They got the 10 wins.
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They barely lost to USC.
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They lost in double overtime in week two on the road at Mississippi State.
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And then you look at the end of the year and they're nine and three.
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I think they lost convincingly to Washington or Oregon one of those two.
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But if they have just some luck, go the other way, they're knocking on the door of the playoff.
00:21:36.681 --> 00:21:43.327
Yeah, I mean, look, they lost Jed Fish, right, he was only there for like two years, so completely start over again.
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I guess they hired San Jose State's coach, which Schleybaugh says is one of the more underrated head coaches in the FBS.
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Okay, I'll be honest, this is the first time I've ever heard his name.
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No, fafita.
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Obviously, like these two guys, fafita and McMillan, their receiver, I was shocked that they decided to stay at Arizona.
00:22:02.684 --> 00:22:06.534
Like that NIL bag must be deep because no, no.
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That's the main point, that's the main takeaway of what you just said.
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The NIL bag is not deep.
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Remember that's a university that somehow misplaced $240 million, oh yeah.
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That's one of the reasons.
00:22:20.502 --> 00:22:28.666
Fish was like I'm not staying here because he got offered from Washington and he was like you guys can counter and they're like counter with fucking what dude.
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I think those two players staying is one of the wildest stories of the offseason that we haven't talked about, Because in this day and age when you can transfer immediately, that's shocking that they didn't.
00:22:41.409 --> 00:22:44.671
Very so we'll have to see on that.
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Virginia Tech 21.
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Vary um, so we'll have to see when that.
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Virginia tech 21, kansas 22, iowa 23, miami 24, usc 25 all right from that group.
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He dropped out louisville, kentucky and texas a&m out of his after spring um, this is off topic, but, dude, I, I hate, I hate virginia tech really.
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I just, I, I just I think that the inner sandman thing is really cool.
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The stadium sucks.
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I feel like blacksburg itself is like a gross, like like always overcast place.
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The, the uni combos.
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It's the worst color combination besides Bowling Green, maybe in the country, like the dark maroon and orange it's like yeah that's fair.
00:23:39.759 --> 00:23:40.964
Those don't go well together at all.
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No, and they, they used to be like a staple in, like the top 20, maybe top 15 yeah, when they got mike vick they obviously spiked, but yeah, for the most part they were like a top 20 team, it just feels like they've never really um played anyone like, like, and that's maybe that sounds weird, but like they played in the Big East when they were good, right, and then now they're in the ACC.
00:24:08.260 --> 00:24:09.886
There's just not a lot about them that I really.
00:24:09.886 --> 00:24:13.770
It's not that I don't respect them or anything like that, I just don't like them.
00:24:13.770 --> 00:24:14.984
It's just like blech.
00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:21.432
Well, it's the same issue that you've seen at Miami, florida and Florida State.
00:24:21.432 --> 00:24:26.510
All the best players in the state used to go to those three schools.
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So all three schools used to be awesome and then at some point whether it was when Saban got to Bama, dabo's taken a lot of players out of Florida over the years, people started leaving the state.
00:24:37.724 --> 00:24:41.671
It became kind of cool to not go to a Florida school and all the teams suffered.
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And the same thing, like the DMV area, you know, washington DC, maryland.
00:24:46.981 --> 00:24:53.811
Virginia like Virginia Tech used to skew up all the best players from that region and now I mean I can't.
00:24:53.811 --> 00:24:58.406
I don't know what the recruiting ranking has been like, but it can't have been in the top 25 the last few years.
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Probably not.
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No, I mean, we're talking out of our ass a little bit here, but anyway, that's not really a tech talk.
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We'll probably again.
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That's like that could be a Kansas state situation where I know people are high on them.
00:25:07.929 --> 00:25:11.307
They could, they could be better than people think.
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Anyway, all right.
00:25:13.791 --> 00:25:14.473
So here's what I want to say.
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Like you see the rankings that we just went through, and you guys can talk about this in the comments as well.
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I know that you oh, I just checked this out you guys have like 19 new comments here.
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You see the top 10 and obviously the top 25.
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We just went through it.
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Let's hear from you all as well.
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But what team do you think is the most likely to drop out of the top 10 and or top 25?
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I would say the top 10.
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Which team do you think is most likely to jump into it by the end of the season as well, based on what we just saw?
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I'll stick with my Notre Dame pick, although I could also go with Ole Miss, because I just need to see it.
00:25:52.683 --> 00:25:55.689
With Ole Miss, I feel like there's always some sort of hype around Ole Miss.
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Since Kiffin's been there, their defense just has never been good enough.
00:26:00.868 --> 00:26:05.667
Now they brought in a lot of talent in the portal, so it's got to be good enough this year.
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But that would be one team.
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I'm like okay, you know, granted, they don't have the toughest schedule in the SEC, but it's still an SEC schedule.
00:26:16.701 --> 00:26:22.790
So, that would be one, but I'd still go Notre Dame and then team to completely drop out of the top 25?
00:26:22.790 --> 00:26:22.790
.
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Or just you know.
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either way, yeah go ahead or no, you said kind of make their way up into the top 10.
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Yeah, I want to look at Tennessee.
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Yeah, just because of the quarterback, but again, that's an unknown.
00:26:42.836 --> 00:26:50.160
I actually do like Kansas State and obviously Oklahoma Texas are gone.
00:26:50.160 --> 00:26:54.630
Now you bring in Utah and that's going to be your biggest competition.
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They're the highest ranked team on this list and they don't play them.
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They don't play them in the regular season.
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No, they have UT.
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Here's their schedule UT Martin at Tulane.
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Tulane's getting some pretty marquee home games the past couple years Arizona at home at BYU on a oh okay Saturday.
00:27:16.049 --> 00:27:18.212
They play Arizona on a Friday.
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Oklahoma State at home A week off before at Colorado, at West Virginia.
00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:33.213
Kansas at home A week off, then at Houston, arizona State at home, cincy at home and at Iowa State.
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And everything's going to be about their quarterback Avery Johnson, who came in last year.
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He's got wheels Right.
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And then they got Dylan Edwards who was like one of the four good players on Colorado.
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He's a true freshman last year.
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That just went off in the first set.
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Yep, you know it says in the article that they have to replace three offensive linemen, but I just think, with their schedule mixed with I love climbing as a coach I can see them jumping over to the top 10.
00:28:00.482 --> 00:28:01.412
What about you?
00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:04.428
Real quick with Kansas State.
00:28:04.428 --> 00:28:09.855
I was going to say they do seem like they always play a good brand of football.
00:28:09.855 --> 00:28:12.142
It's like a tough brand of football.
00:28:12.142 --> 00:28:15.461
I can see that.
00:28:15.461 --> 00:28:19.536
Then not playing Utah, I think is a gift right, and Utah's schedule is not super easy.
00:28:19.536 --> 00:28:22.115
That one seems like it probably is.
00:28:22.115 --> 00:28:29.363
For me, maybe this is a cop-out because they're literally ranked 10th, but I think Michigan.
00:28:30.990 --> 00:28:37.682
Michigan just lost so much, and it's not the fact that they lost 13 players in the NFL draft.
00:28:37.682 --> 00:28:39.892
They lost a first round quarterback.
00:28:39.892 --> 00:28:44.012
They lost one of the most productive running backs they've had in history, which is really saying something.
00:28:44.012 --> 00:28:49.174
Um, they still have two defensive players that are mocked to go in the top 10 this upcoming year.
00:28:49.174 --> 00:28:53.310
Um, and and playing out, they're coming off a defense that was the best in the country last year.
00:28:53.310 --> 00:28:54.373
Statistically.
00:28:54.373 --> 00:29:05.397
The schedule fresno state, texas at home, arkansas state, usc at home, of course, minnesota, um.
00:29:05.397 --> 00:29:11.232
Then you have at washington, at illinois, michigan state, oregon at home.
00:29:11.232 --> 00:29:14.679
At indiana, northwestern, at ohio state.
00:29:14.679 --> 00:29:17.570
That schedule is tailor-made for nine and three.
00:29:17.570 --> 00:29:20.480
Um, you're gonna lose texas and lose ohio state, I think, right after that, like just right Western at Ohio State.
00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:21.423
That schedule is tailor-made for 9-3.
00:29:21.423 --> 00:29:23.430
You're going to lose to Texas and lose to Ohio State, I think, right off the bat.
00:29:24.491 --> 00:29:28.239
Oregon is not going to be easy either, Even though you do get two of those three games at home.
00:29:28.239 --> 00:29:32.517
Oregon and Texas are going to be preseason top five teams.
00:29:33.451 --> 00:29:36.953
They're still playing a conference championship where it's just the top two teams.
00:29:36.953 --> 00:29:37.736
That's what somebody was saying.
00:29:37.736 --> 00:29:41.063
They were upset because they could theoretically and they're still playing a conference championship where it's just the top two teams.
00:29:41.063 --> 00:29:42.164
Right, that's what somebody was saying.
00:29:42.164 --> 00:29:44.148
How like, like they were upset because they could theoretically play Ohio state.
00:29:44.148 --> 00:29:45.612
In years past this might've happened.
00:29:45.612 --> 00:30:02.673
Where they play Ohio state in, they could play them three times in one season, which I honestly, man, I don't think that's bad for for college football necessarily, like I wouldn't want to see it every year, but I don't think it will.
00:30:02.673 --> 00:30:03.215
I think you lose to texas.
00:30:03.215 --> 00:30:03.838
I think you lose to ohio state.
00:30:03.838 --> 00:30:04.422
Um, oregon doesn't seem easy.
00:30:04.422 --> 00:30:06.351
Here's the thing with michigan that, like, you have a brand new head coach.
00:30:06.351 --> 00:30:18.242
We have said this over and over again dude satan lost to losing him in row his first year, right, um, he lost, like kirby lost to Vanderbilt and Georgia Tech his first year.
00:30:18.242 --> 00:30:23.994
And no part of me is comparing Sharon Peek to what was his name, sharon.
00:30:24.016 --> 00:30:24.175
Moore.
00:30:24.195 --> 00:30:24.698
Sharon Moore.
00:30:24.698 --> 00:30:28.576
Sharon Moore, sharon Peek was a receiver at Clemson, like eight years ago.
00:30:28.576 --> 00:30:33.932
Sharon Moore, I'm not comparing him to either of those coaches, I'm just saying it takes-.
00:30:34.013 --> 00:30:34.777
Or Sharon Peek.
00:30:35.580 --> 00:30:36.913
Yeah, I don't think he would do it either.
00:30:36.913 --> 00:30:49.699
Um, but like I just think that in year one where carlisle took half the coaching staff, you don't have all that talent coming back, and I told you already about, like what, how they've recruited.
00:30:49.699 --> 00:30:55.819
It's not been at an elite level, it's been right around 15th in the country and and usually a little bit outside of that.
00:30:55.819 --> 00:31:06.574
You're going to drop a game to either USC, michigan State or Illinois or somebody you shouldn't Just flat out.
00:31:07.979 --> 00:31:11.500
Yeah, I know that they've recruited.
00:31:11.500 --> 00:31:15.616
That's the thing too is they've recruited well, but you haven't.
00:31:15.616 --> 00:31:28.013
At ohio state, georgia, bama level, where it's like you lose 10, 12 players to the draft and you just, you're just just as good the next year right um, don't know much about alex orgy.
00:31:28.013 --> 00:31:32.683
We're gonna like saying his name all year um sure, yeah, jack tuttle.
00:31:33.111 --> 00:31:39.642
Who's another quarterback there, like you know, coming off a guy that you get drafted in the first round, whether he deserved to be or not.
00:31:39.642 --> 00:31:42.840
Um, you know, jj mccarthy was a five star.
00:31:42.840 --> 00:31:45.915
Jim harbaugh said he's the best player quarterback to ever come through the program.
00:31:45.915 --> 00:31:56.170
To a guy who you used in like special packages like three times last year, yeah, um, so that's, I think that's a an easy answer as well.
00:31:56.170 --> 00:31:56.592
What about?
00:31:56.592 --> 00:31:59.854
What about what your team most likely to rise so?
00:32:01.537 --> 00:32:13.435
I have three that jump out to me, and it would be usc, it would be miami and then, um, what was the other one?
00:32:13.435 --> 00:32:22.458
Uh, I would probably make a case for, like, I mean Tennessee, I am high on Tennessee, so maybe something like that.
00:32:22.458 --> 00:32:25.377
But this is for the end of the season.
00:32:25.377 --> 00:32:27.849
I would probably stick with one of those two teams.
00:32:27.849 --> 00:32:31.661
I think that one of those two teams is, I think, miami is.
00:32:31.661 --> 00:32:44.490
Just, they've done what we've talked about for weeks now, which is like they are all in on this year and they have put out a ton all in on this year and they have put out a ton of money on this year and the people they brought in are quality players and I think it's.
00:32:44.490 --> 00:32:45.917
It'll be interesting to see how they mesh.
00:32:45.917 --> 00:32:46.038
Like.
00:32:46.058 --> 00:32:50.055
We saw cam moore be a like a stud, especially in the first half of last year at washington state.
00:32:50.055 --> 00:32:52.771
Now he's your, he's your go-to guy and he got there early too.
00:32:52.771 --> 00:32:53.212
Remember that.
00:32:53.212 --> 00:32:57.682
Like he got there early and has been putting in work with all those guys and they built a lot around him.
00:32:57.682 --> 00:33:01.339
Damian Martinez is one of the more underrated running backs in the country for Oregon State.
00:33:01.339 --> 00:33:18.420
Now he's going to get to go behind what you'd assume would be a good offensive line, right With Mario Criswell being the head coach, and then just everything they have on defense too, they have gotten it seems like kind of a who's who, especially in the second portal of some defensive guys.
00:33:18.420 --> 00:33:20.757
So I think Miami has a chance to do it.
00:33:21.009 --> 00:33:31.710
And then the other one man I'm going to regret this possibly later, but I'm going to buy stock on USC and maybe that's stupid because the schedule's not easy.
00:33:31.710 --> 00:33:35.540
You have LSU, which is going to be most likely a loss, utah State.
00:33:35.540 --> 00:33:37.518
Then you get a week off before you're at Michigan.
00:33:37.518 --> 00:33:50.815
I think that they they go to michigan and like prove a point in that game wisconsin at home at minnesota, penn state at home at maryland versus rutgers at washington versus nebraska at ucla, and then notre dame.
00:33:50.815 --> 00:33:52.376
I think they win 10 games.
00:33:52.376 --> 00:34:14.920
I, I, I think that they, like this could be a team too that like by the end of November we're talking about a potential top five block like in, like a showdown with Ohio State in the Big Ten Championship game, possibly because they don't have Oregon on that schedule right, and I know Penn State like that's a tough one, but you get them at home.
00:34:15.650 --> 00:34:22.739
Some of these road games, like at Minnesota, at Maryland, Washington's going to be a shell of themselves from what they were a year ago.
00:34:24.030 --> 00:34:24.934
Yeah, you get Rutgers.
00:34:24.934 --> 00:34:26.599
I mean, I can see it.
00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:28.637
The defense obviously is going to have to improve a ton.
00:34:28.637 --> 00:34:31.679
They finally got rid of man what's his name?
00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:35.860
A guy that was a darling in.
00:34:36.121 --> 00:34:36.222
DC.
00:34:36.222 --> 00:34:46.590
Yeah, um, they bring in ucla's d coordinator danton lynn, um, they just have so many strides to take, you lose the number one player in the draft.
00:34:46.590 --> 00:34:55.135
Um, I don't know if I can get on that miami I could see for sure, because cam ward is the ultimate x factor, I think if he's really good.
00:34:55.135 --> 00:34:58.460
So we'll be miami, um, but we'll see.
00:34:58.460 --> 00:35:01.273
I can't buy on usc though okay.
00:35:01.293 --> 00:35:04.403
So hear me out here, though like wisconsin could be decent.
00:35:04.403 --> 00:35:06.751
You get wisconsin the week after they play.
00:35:06.751 --> 00:35:19.244
That's an interesting game because you you are at michigan, which I think they'll like I said, I think they win and wisconsin's coming off the bama game, so two pretty big games back-to-back for both those teams.
00:35:19.244 --> 00:35:21.777
I just don't think Minnesota's going to be great.
00:35:21.777 --> 00:35:24.690
And then, like I said, again, you get Penn State.
00:35:24.750 --> 00:35:33.757
All your toughest games besides LSU are at home and like Michigan's on the road, like I said, but like Penn State at home, nebraska, which could be a sneaky game, that's at home.
00:35:33.757 --> 00:35:42.702
And then Notre Dame to close the season, that's at home.
00:35:42.702 --> 00:35:44.760
And then Notre Dame to close the season, that's at home and it's not like Coliseum is like a tremendous home field advantage.
00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:45.126
I'm just saying you're not.
00:35:45.126 --> 00:35:53.173
This is the difference between even going to Pac-12 stadiums, because, like you're not going to like Alton right now this year, you're not going to like rainy Corvallis, you're not going up to to Washington to play, like you know, in a pretty tough environment there.
00:35:53.173 --> 00:36:12.041
You're going to minnesota and maryland and these half full stadiums where the biggest thing you're gonna have to to fight probably in that game is, you know, temperature yeah, jet lag yeah, probably that too that'll be.
00:36:12.121 --> 00:36:30.251
One thing that would be interesting to watch with some of those west coast teams is you don't see a lot of conference games where it's like the nfl, when you know a west coast team comes east and they're playing a one o'clock game I think about that like if usc goes east, they go to I don't know maryland and they play a noon game.
00:36:30.251 --> 00:36:33.659
Likely will be right it'll be like a 9 am game for them.
00:36:34.641 --> 00:36:41.943
That is, that isi think something that's super weird because it's like fox has built this whole thing on the big noon kickoff and it's pretty brilliant.
00:36:41.943 --> 00:36:42.650
If you think about it.
00:36:42.650 --> 00:37:05.903
People might not like it, but like they have created a ton of excitement and I think for a long time we always were like, oh man, if it's less than night game or 3 30 probably because, like the region we're in, but like they have created this like massive brand for like big noon kickoff and it's going to be very unfair for four of those teams that just joined the conference yeah, or if they're doing a home game out there.
00:37:06.025 --> 00:37:11.501
The big noon kickoff is a big 9 am kickoff for local yeah, anything about that either.
00:37:12.121 --> 00:37:13.650
No, I wonder how that's gonna play out.
00:37:13.650 --> 00:37:15.635
Like there's, that'll be interesting for sure.
00:37:15.675 --> 00:37:19.762
Yeah, definitely, okay cool.
00:37:19.762 --> 00:37:22.998
I saw a lot of consternation online.
00:37:22.998 --> 00:37:25.536
I think it was about those.
00:37:25.536 --> 00:37:36.541
People were just up in arms about the college football coaching rankings that the guys from Cover 3 did Tom Fornelli, danny Canal, bud Elliott, chip Patterson Uh-huh, I didn't see that.
00:37:36.541 --> 00:37:42.193
I don't think Kirby's the best coach.
00:37:43.577 --> 00:37:44.820
Oh my God, Are you just saying things?
00:37:44.820 --> 00:37:45.822
I'm just kidding.
00:37:45.822 --> 00:37:52.474
I mean, we're trying to build this thing, but let's not do it that way.
00:37:52.757 --> 00:37:55.175
No, you don't want RJ Young it.
00:37:57.050 --> 00:37:58.335
I saw something the other day from him.
00:37:59.010 --> 00:38:02.177
Shador Sanders, too, like just his ability to be a coach.
00:38:02.699 --> 00:38:05.599
Okay, okay, let me tell you what else.
00:38:05.619 --> 00:38:05.721
I saw.
00:38:05.721 --> 00:38:06.829
Let me tell you, what else I saw.
00:38:07.829 --> 00:38:09.597
That dude is the dumbest person.
00:38:09.597 --> 00:38:15.277
Somebody sent me something he had the other day that was like he did.
00:38:15.277 --> 00:38:25.083
Maybe he said something wrong, but I doubt it, because it's fox and they have a ton of people that put out like, like, edit those like his content.
00:38:25.083 --> 00:38:31.601
But it was like the top 10 coaches of the cfp era and I like it like.
00:38:31.601 --> 00:38:34.894
It was like in my feed and he was like top 10 coaches of the cp era.
00:38:34.894 --> 00:38:36.338
Let's start right here, at number 10.
00:38:36.338 --> 00:38:39.594
Deion Sanders and I was like there's no fucking way.
00:38:39.594 --> 00:38:41.360
He just said that Like what?
00:38:41.360 --> 00:38:45.338
Anyway, we're not going to do it, the RJ Young style.
00:38:45.338 --> 00:38:50.181
So I didn't see the on three rankings for coaches.
00:38:51.610 --> 00:38:54.938
It was cover three, the podcast from CBS Sports.
00:38:54.938 --> 00:38:56.762
Okay, do you?
00:38:56.782 --> 00:38:57.422
remember what they were.
00:38:59.469 --> 00:38:59.871
I can pull it up.
00:38:59.871 --> 00:39:10.467
I mean everyone had kirby one, but I think like a couple like tom franelli had like dabbo too still that's interesting um, I think there was a lot of people that were.
00:39:10.467 --> 00:39:14.655
There was a lot of discussion about lincoln riley because some guys had him top five some.
00:39:14.655 --> 00:39:19.864
But Elliott was like the dude hasn't had an offense ever, I mean a defense ever.
00:39:19.864 --> 00:39:25.001
Until he does, you can't be a top 10 coach.
00:39:25.889 --> 00:39:26.813
You could be a coordinator, yeah.
00:39:31.090 --> 00:39:46.657
You know Brian Kelly, there's probably some argument there based upon maybe the same thing thus far in his tenure at LSU, Like yeah, you've had some pretty good offenses, but like we're going to play some defense, it's kind of our calling card here down Baton Rouge.
00:39:47.139 --> 00:39:49.615
Let me, can I give you my take on Brian Kelly?
00:39:49.615 --> 00:40:00.860
Yeah, please, I'm not trying to be arrogant or or say that I'm the smartest one in the room, but I think it's the best take on Brian Kelly that's out there.
00:40:00.860 --> 00:40:01.943
I really do.
00:40:01.943 --> 00:40:03.074
I fully believe this in my heart.
00:40:03.074 --> 00:40:16.492
Brian Kelly, there's not a coach in the country that is more skewed in terms of their perception of him, like the public perception of him and and like who he is as a coach and how good of a coach he is.
00:40:16.492 --> 00:40:21.152
There's not a more skewed perception of any head coach in college world than there is brian kelly.
00:40:21.833 --> 00:40:28.213
And brian kelly is one of the most winningest coaches in the entire country currently.
00:40:28.213 --> 00:40:30.650
Right like he's won at every single level.
00:40:30.650 --> 00:40:32.114
He won it, I think, division two.
00:40:32.114 --> 00:40:33.918
Then he won at cincinnati.
00:40:33.918 --> 00:40:34.961
You like people forget.
00:40:34.961 --> 00:40:40.202
Like you know, he took cincinnati to undefeated season and then took them to a um what do you call it?
00:40:40.202 --> 00:40:41.393
A bcs bowl at the time.
00:40:41.393 --> 00:40:43.842
Uh, he went to.
00:40:43.842 --> 00:40:50.246
Then he went to notre dame, took them to a national championship within their first five years and he, like, went to the playoffs, took them to a national championship within their first five years.
00:40:50.246 --> 00:40:55.791
He went to the playoffs several times Brian Kelly has put up more 10 wins.
00:40:55.811 --> 00:40:57.838
He's had a 10-win season.
00:40:57.838 --> 00:41:02.760
I believe in over half of his total years coaching, he's won at least 10 games or more.
00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:05.396
Not a lot of coaches can do that.
00:41:05.396 --> 00:41:17.597
He did it at a place that Notre Dame, which was pretty difficult in general, just like because they were playing with a, like you know, less cards in the deck compared to a lot of teams around the country, which was like recruiting and what they were allowed to do.
00:41:19.150 --> 00:41:30.762
But his entire, the entire perception of him as a head coach has been skewed because of three games 2012, when they lost to Alabama by 28 in the National Championship.
00:41:30.762 --> 00:41:35.519
2018, when they got boat raced by Clemson in the College Bowl playoff.
00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:38.458
And then 2020, when they lost to Alabama again by 17.
00:41:38.458 --> 00:41:43.369
And here's the thing I have jumped on this as well, because Notre Dame, they always seem to lose at big games.
00:41:43.369 --> 00:41:58.034
They have not won a New Year's Six Bowl or bcs level game since january 1st of 1995, when they beat texas a&m I believe it wasn't the rose ball, it was something, it was a cotton ball by three total points, right.
00:41:58.034 --> 00:42:06.934
They have not won a game like that in since 1995 and that's crazy that's really tough to do.
00:42:07.496 --> 00:42:15.451
And, like, dude, I remember I did a full video on this one time and it was like, like you know, george's heck has done that oregon state beat them like 41.
00:42:15.451 --> 00:42:19.199
Like the losses have been like a lot and they've been by a lot.
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:19.800
Right.
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:27.197
But let's take a step back because I do fully believe that, like, the reason why people don't think he's a good coach is because, well, he can't win the big one.
00:42:27.958 --> 00:42:35.782
You and I've talked about this off air since when it's like the benchmark for every, every team winning a championship only one team wins championship every year.
00:42:35.782 --> 00:42:38.896
To sit and say like, oh, that sucks because he can't win a big one.
00:42:38.896 --> 00:42:39.579
Like, like, what?
00:42:39.579 --> 00:42:42.376
Like, like that's not every team can win.
00:42:42.376 --> 00:42:51.478
And and you talk about those three games because I think that's what built the perception, dude he lost to bama in a national title game.
00:42:51.478 --> 00:43:06.099
When, when that team won their third national title in four years, like they were clearly the best team in the country the recruiting is not even close and it's not the not necessarily a brian kelly thing at Notre Dame.
00:43:06.681 --> 00:43:11.288
Right, they lose to Clemson in 2018 30-3.
00:43:11.307 --> 00:43:19.068
That is, by all means, a team that is considered to be a top five team of all time, of all time, and they lose to them and everyone's like, oh, they suck.
00:43:19.068 --> 00:43:27.893
And then you go to 2020 and they lose by 17 to that Alabama team, which I believe was the closest game besides Florida that any team played them all year.
00:43:27.893 --> 00:43:51.802
Georgia lost by 17, notre Dame lost by 17, and Florida lost by like six, like that team is not arguably is one of the top three teams in the history of college football and it's just wild to me that Brian Kelly has been pegged as this like really that's the clip by the way that he's been pegged as this like, you know, underachieving coach, when he's really overachieved everywhere he's been.
00:43:51.802 --> 00:43:55.956
And he got to LSU we all thought he was going to fail and he has back-to-back 10-1 seasons.
00:43:55.956 --> 00:44:10.992
He has a top three recruiting class for next year, including the number one overall player in the country from Michigan, by the way and then also has won the SC West in his first year, beat Alabama at home.
00:44:11.032 --> 00:44:12.173
Like what are we talking about with Brian Kelly?
00:44:12.173 --> 00:44:31.920
Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, I think that these top guys on the list I mean you're trying to nitpick Like someone brings up Brian Day in the chat, like I think most programs would take Ryan Day as their coach and yet we've been nitpicking Ryan Day for not winning big games for the last three years because Michigan's beat their ass.
00:44:32.730 --> 00:44:35.514
More first-round picks than total losses.
00:44:36.998 --> 00:44:37.659
That's crazy.
00:44:37.659 --> 00:44:47.521
Like Sark, everyone's on the Sark train, but Sark's never won a big game His first big game in Austin.
00:44:47.521 --> 00:44:52.344
Mark's never won a big game His first big game in Austin.
00:44:52.344 --> 00:44:55.286
They got pretty well handled by Washington, who has less talent.
00:44:55.286 --> 00:44:57.487
I shouldn't say that.
00:44:57.487 --> 00:45:07.101
Yeah, they do as far as an overall roster, but Washington had some really good high-level players as starters, but I'm sure Texas was a lot deeper than Washington was last year.
00:45:07.101 --> 00:45:08.666
So this is Graham Coffey's 2024?
00:45:08.666 --> 00:45:09.414
Yeah, stars, but like I'm sure texas is a lot deeper than washington was last year.
00:45:09.414 --> 00:45:09.371
So so is this.
00:45:09.371 --> 00:45:11.940
This is graham coffees 2024 yeah, and we're.
00:45:11.960 --> 00:45:14.048
I'm gonna bring this up for multiple reasons.
00:45:14.048 --> 00:45:17.818
One, because I know that you and graham um don't see eye to eye a bunch.
00:45:17.818 --> 00:45:21.112
Two, we're gonna have graham on the show tomorrow night.
00:45:21.112 --> 00:45:23.597
Um at eight, at eight o'clock.
00:45:23.597 --> 00:45:25.101
Um for our tuesday show.
00:45:25.101 --> 00:45:25.922
Wednesday.
00:45:25.922 --> 00:45:27.090
By the way, we will have Duke.
00:45:27.090 --> 00:45:30.375
Why don't I know his last name?
00:45:30.375 --> 00:45:31.076
I just call him Duke.
00:45:31.076 --> 00:45:32.237
The Scoop from On3.
00:45:32.237 --> 00:45:33.619
Duke will be on here.
00:45:33.619 --> 00:45:34.699
We've had him on here a bunch.
00:45:34.699 --> 00:45:35.760
We've always had a really good time with him.
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:37.083
He's a former Auburn guy.
00:45:37.083 --> 00:45:38.525
He's now at On3.
00:45:38.525 --> 00:45:39.585
Doing a great job talking about recruiting.
00:45:39.585 --> 00:45:41.711
So those will be the shows for this week.
00:45:41.711 --> 00:45:42.894
We haven't figured.
00:45:42.894 --> 00:45:46.905
Came out with his his top 15 coaches one.
00:45:46.905 --> 00:45:47.847
The graphic looks great.
00:45:47.847 --> 00:45:49.811
Whoever made the graphic just did a tremendous job.
00:45:49.811 --> 00:45:53.356
Um, your thoughts on this?
00:45:55.619 --> 00:46:04.119
um, I don't have a ton of I mean winning him at three.
00:46:04.119 --> 00:46:14.610
Like I get it, utah has been good, but if you're telling, if you're telling me, go down the list of current head coaches and you have your pick of who's going to be the coach at Florida State, for example.
00:46:14.610 --> 00:46:17.260
I don't think Whittingham would come up three for me.
00:46:19.050 --> 00:46:27.559
So that's an interesting way to go about it, because I think that if you were talking about who you would want to build your program, that guy sitting there at number 10 is probably top three.
00:46:30.829 --> 00:46:33.677
Yeah, I don't think he's a top three or top five coach.
00:46:33.677 --> 00:46:34.701
I agree with Evan Grimes.
00:46:34.701 --> 00:46:38.201
Obviously I'm biased, but Norvell beat Braum last year.
00:46:38.201 --> 00:46:42.021
I don't see how you could have Braum over him, stoops.
00:46:42.021 --> 00:46:44.155
I don't see how you could have him over that either.
00:46:44.155 --> 00:46:49.635
Florida State did go undefeated last year after winning three games two years ago, so he's done a really good job.
00:46:49.635 --> 00:46:52.579
He's one of the first coaches to implement the portal the right way.
00:46:52.579 --> 00:46:57.619
Yeah, honestly, I'd rather have Drinkwits than Stoops.
00:46:57.619 --> 00:47:03.161
To be honest, I think Drinkwits has done a really good job, gundy.
00:47:03.242 --> 00:47:04.644
Gundy's one of the oh yeah.
00:47:08.090 --> 00:47:12.536
Yeah, gundy's one of those Gundy's one of those that we always talk about how great of a coach he is and Oklahoma State's always been pretty good.
00:47:12.536 --> 00:47:21.150
But I mean, at this point would you really want Gundy over, like Drinkwits or Norvell or Braun?
00:47:21.150 --> 00:47:25.277
I don't know, he doesn't really do it for me anymore.
00:47:26.056 --> 00:47:28.777
Yeah, because of his looks he's lost his ever since we talked to him live and in person.
00:47:28.797 --> 00:47:29.844
But again, he doesn't really do it for me anymore.
00:47:29.844 --> 00:47:30.750
Yeah, because of his looks, his losses.
00:47:31.650 --> 00:47:33.887
Yeah, ever since we talked to him live and in person.
00:47:33.887 --> 00:47:35.813
That's true.
00:47:35.813 --> 00:47:37.114
So I think there are different ways to look at it.
00:47:37.114 --> 00:47:44.125
I think that when you talk about like hey, here's who I would want to build a program around, here's who I would want to be my head coach, I think it's different.
00:47:44.144 --> 00:48:08.981
I think it's also there's so many moving parts to it now when you talk about like head coaches and where they should be, because dude norvell is a guy that, like you said yourself right, like you're biased, whatever one of the most difficult thing he he's had to do something that's more difficult than I think, than probably anybody on this list besides maybe, maybe, brian kelly, but I would still say it's more difficult.
00:48:10.143 --> 00:48:31.079
He had to come in and in all the changes that were happening with college football, right, like with the portal and everything else that's happening, nil he had to come pick florida state out of the mud from where they were and became this embarrassment of a program where and you know better than anybody 20 years ago or 25 years ago was at the mountaintop.
00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:32.561
They were the mountaintop, really.
00:48:32.561 --> 00:48:46.536
And you talk about having to reinstill and rebuild a culture in this age of football where, especially in that state, where Florida is like they were doing really well under Mullen and Miami's always going to be Miami.
00:48:46.536 --> 00:48:56.597
But in that state where you're having to dude, they were a laughingstock because of what Willie Taggart did, where everything has been under a microscope and people enjoyed watching them lose.
00:48:56.597 --> 00:48:59.197
He slowly built them back up to relevancy.
00:48:59.650 --> 00:49:09.061
Yeah, and, by the way, his first year was COVID too, so he instilled his culture over Zoom with a team that already had terrible culture.
00:49:09.061 --> 00:49:14.940
Yeah, terrible yeah um, so yeah, I just think he needs to be given much more credit here.
00:49:14.940 --> 00:49:20.181
But, um, yeah, I'm kind of over gundy like and stoops like.
00:49:20.181 --> 00:49:26.913
I think he's a a good coach yeah but I wouldn't put him in the top 15 I?
00:49:26.932 --> 00:49:27.773
I wouldn't agree with that.
00:49:27.773 --> 00:49:34.099
I will say that Eli Drinkwits making this is fascinating to me and, like I said, we'll get into more of it tomorrow.
00:49:34.099 --> 00:49:37.521
With what do you call it?
00:49:37.521 --> 00:49:49.885
With Graham, but dude Drinkwits, again three or four straight losing seasons and then I think it's four straight losing seasons and then they pop.
00:49:49.885 --> 00:49:55.331
Last year they win 11 games.
00:49:55.351 --> 00:49:58.719
They go to you know um they go, yeah, and they beat ohio state and all that kind of stuff, which is awesome and potentially.
00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:01.231
Yeah, I think that you could make the case for everyone in here.
00:50:01.231 --> 00:50:05.740
I think that after, like, at some point though, it's like.
00:50:05.740 --> 00:50:16.425
This is why it's so difficult to argue this, because it's like there's so many different components that you could make as, like, graham especially hated Sark.
00:50:16.425 --> 00:50:26.878
He nobody shit on Sark more than him over the last couple of years and now he's a two, which is something we'll get into, like I said, tomorrow, but like it's there's just so that I feel like that goes into it.
00:50:26.878 --> 00:50:36.257
I will tell you one thing I thought that was fascinating to me about this was I've seen this with with several fans and I think it's a where are we at here?
00:50:36.257 --> 00:50:40.177
Do we even do one?
00:50:40.177 --> 00:50:40.820
There it is.
00:50:40.820 --> 00:50:46.041
It's like the landing, like the, the, the Dan landing love.
00:50:46.041 --> 00:50:48.864
I think that he, the perception of him, love.
00:50:48.885 --> 00:50:58.032
I think that the perception of him is also kind of skewed from what I see on a daily basis, mainly because what I see on a daily basis is Georgia fans on social media and that's who we interact with a lot more and all that kind of stuff.
00:50:59.197 --> 00:51:41.373
The truth about Dan Lanning and why that fan base specifically, but a lot of people have pegged him probably higher than he is is you want to sit here and say like it's, it's, it's the first main guy that's come from the curvy tree right, and you hold him to this like standard, where it's like dude, he's out there, he's winning, he's recruiting at an elite level and he dude, that's a perfect matchup, that's a perfect match for him going to to eugene, where you're like you can bring kids in and that NIL program that is completely next level in comparison to a lot of other programs, like not only with the amount of money they have, but you're going to be getting kids like stock options and shit, that and that like alumni database when you graduate and like all that kind of stuff that you can pitch to these kids.
00:51:42.056 --> 00:51:43.119
It's just different at Oregon.
00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:43.630
So I think it's a.
00:51:43.630 --> 00:51:46.800
It's a phenomenal fit at the same time.
00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:51.030
Oregon so I think it's a.
00:51:51.030 --> 00:52:04.291
It's a phenomenal fit at the same time, like let's not forget that two years ago he went to atlanta in the first game of the year with a future first round draft pick at quarterback and a top 10 team and got absolutely fucking wrecked by georgia and a lot of teams did by georgia that year.
00:52:04.871 --> 00:52:14.570
But like the idea that he is somehow and he also lost his two biggest games last year to the same team, that's the main thing, because that's what I hate when I see this kind of stuff.
00:52:15.032 --> 00:52:21.701
We have a moving target of like oh, brian Kelly can't win the big game, and it's not with these ranks specifically, but just fans in general he can't win the big game.
00:52:21.701 --> 00:52:27.224
Then you look at Lanning and you're like dude, he's 0-3 against DeBoer in the last two years.
00:52:27.224 --> 00:52:30.047
Sark is 0-2 against DeBoer in the last two years.
00:52:30.047 --> 00:52:33.197
Lanning, what big game did he win that I missed.
00:52:35.570 --> 00:52:56.242
Yeah, I mean I think he got a lot of hype off that viral moment before the Colorado game where he probably looked at their roster, which was not good, and said we're going to beat the shit out of these guys and I'm going to take advantage of this, and you know we don't play for clicks and all that and then they go out and they beat the shit out of Colorado.
00:52:56.242 --> 00:52:58.536
But then you find out Colorado's really not that good.
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They were 4-8 last year.
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I agree, I think for Lanning it's more so the potential, the upside for him in the future, more than what he's done so far, because what he's done so far has been okay.
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But to your point, he had a first-round pick quarterback the last two years and the big games that they played in didn't go so well for him.
00:53:21.431 --> 00:53:34.958
And I think again and we'll agree, evan, and hopefully you guys will be back here tomorrow and we'll get more in-depth with this but, like the one thing I would say with Lanning, because I think he's a fascinating case study, Same with Ryan Day.
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Ryan Day is like dude, I don't know.
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I think Ryan Day is a top-five coach.
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I do 1,000%.
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You do not have more first-round picks than losses and then say you're a bad coach.
00:53:48.583 --> 00:53:50.994
And also that whole idea that he doesn't, he can't win the big game.
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I know he's lost three games in a row to michigan, but, like michigan has made the cfp in the last three years, right, they lost to georgia by one point and because they missed the last second field goal and they had a lead in that game, georgia went on to win their back-to-back national championship.
00:54:06.815 --> 00:54:09.599
Right, like they lost, they lost two games in three years.
00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:11.041
Who else did he who?
00:54:11.041 --> 00:54:20.795
He lost to bama in 2020 and bama was like undefeated in top three team in the history of college ball, and I think they lost one home game to oregon that year, in 2021.
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Now I will say that the thing with with landing that makes it so fascinating too is that, like I'm, I'm high on the bore.
00:54:26.617 --> 00:54:36.041
I think divorce can be great, but if you were talking about building a program for like longevity, I would still want landing more than devore because he's proven all the stuff he can do off the field.
00:54:36.041 --> 00:54:51.664
But going back to the coaching part and this is something graham made a good point about, like dude, the coaching decisions from landing over the past couple years have not been great, like the fourth down decisions, and they've led to losses directly.
00:54:54.512 --> 00:54:57.342
Yeah, he's definitely a new school coach.
00:54:57.342 --> 00:55:01.237
When it comes to analytics and when you should go up for it on fourth down, almost too much.
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Yeah.
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Arguably because, especially one of those games against Oregon, it cost him dearly Shit.
00:55:10.331 --> 00:55:11.516
We're already at 55 minutes.
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What do you want to end on here?
00:55:13.036 --> 00:55:15.833
I don't really like.
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As far as Florida State leaving the ACC, I don't have a solid update.
00:55:18.610 --> 00:55:24.132
I mean, they are fighting Right now.
00:55:24.132 --> 00:55:26.599
The fight is where is the court case going to be held?
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Is it going to be held in North Carolina or in?
00:55:28.878 --> 00:55:29.259
Florida.
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And that keeps.
00:55:30.851 --> 00:55:31.853
That's just.
00:55:31.853 --> 00:55:34.438
We're just dragging it out here.
00:55:34.438 --> 00:55:37.824
Florida State's going to leave the ACC, so is Clemson, probably a couple others.
00:55:37.824 --> 00:55:42.273
If I had to guess right now, I would say Florida State's going to be in the Big Ten, which is weird.
00:55:42.273 --> 00:55:45.496
Yeah, it's weird, but that is from what I've heard.
00:55:45.496 --> 00:55:48.260
On my side of things, that's the most likely landing spot.
00:55:48.260 --> 00:55:55.246
We'll see, we'll see how it all shakes out, but I would think 2025 will be Florida State's last season in the ACC.
00:55:59.416 --> 00:56:01.320
Yeah, okay, I'm sure we'll get more updates on that as the thing goes on.
00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:05.016
Yeah, man, we'll close with this.
00:56:05.016 --> 00:56:05.820
What was I going to say?
00:56:05.820 --> 00:56:10.550
Okay, so SEC baseball tournament starts this week, acc as well.
00:56:10.550 --> 00:56:12.998
Um, have you been watching college baseball at all this year?
00:56:14.382 --> 00:56:18.375
uh, I, I catch it if there's nothing else on, but I don't really tune into it.
00:56:18.996 --> 00:56:24.911
Primarily, okay, it's been hard to get like access to, unless you have espn plus.
00:56:24.911 --> 00:56:32.715
Because, like I've said this for years, Postseason women's softball I wish got so much more attention and they finally started putting games on.
00:56:32.715 --> 00:56:38.456
I don't really need regular season games as much if there's not any kind of star power involved.
00:56:38.456 --> 00:56:45.976
The star power in this year's baseball in the SEC and in general, I think has been really awesome.
00:56:45.976 --> 00:56:47.320
What's up?
00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:52.215
Harry Legee, Georgia has Charlie Condon, who I'm sure you've heard of at this point.
00:56:52.215 --> 00:56:57.400
Um just won the sec player of the year, Um.
00:56:57.400 --> 00:57:03.001
And then I'm trying to they have Jack Um.
00:57:03.001 --> 00:57:08.617
He is obviously at Florida.
00:57:09.469 --> 00:57:21.023
The kid from Arkansas who is pagan Smith, the pitcher, he's, he's, he's, he's averaged and 17.9 strikeouts per nine innings.
00:57:21.023 --> 00:57:24.237
Jesus, that's insane, Like that's.
00:57:24.237 --> 00:57:25.021
That's absurd to me.
00:57:25.021 --> 00:57:27.375
So I'm excited for that.
00:57:27.375 --> 00:57:27.655
Like this.
00:57:27.655 --> 00:57:33.780
I think the next three days for SEC baseball tournament are three of the more underrated days of the year on the sports calendar.
00:57:33.780 --> 00:57:35.759
I'm excited for that.
00:57:35.759 --> 00:57:37.110
The game starts tomorrow at 10.30 am.
00:57:37.110 --> 00:57:38.918
Eastern UGA versus LSU.
00:57:38.918 --> 00:57:43.614
By the way, that was the last question I was going to say.
00:57:43.614 --> 00:57:47.063
You know what?
00:57:47.063 --> 00:57:47.251
Fuck it.
00:57:47.251 --> 00:57:47.692
We'll do two.
00:57:47.692 --> 00:57:51.534
First question this is from Evan what do you think?
00:57:51.534 --> 00:57:53.019
What do you put on your hot dog.
00:57:53.019 --> 00:57:55.157
What should go on a hot dog and should not go on a hot dog.
00:57:57.190 --> 00:58:01.681
So I know there's this great discussion over if you should put ketchup on a hot dog.
00:58:01.681 --> 00:58:06.458
I don't really hate on people that put ketchup on hot dogs, but I have.
00:58:06.458 --> 00:58:16.197
I used to when I was a child, um, but then when I started hearing people make fun of people and I was still impressionable I was like you know what, maybe I'll just won't put ketchup on the hot dog.
00:58:16.197 --> 00:58:19.836
I didn't know it was this big of a deal, but and I do like it better.
00:58:19.836 --> 00:58:32.697
Actually I don't I over time ketchup, so I go mustard, throw some onions on there.
00:58:32.697 --> 00:58:33.780
If you've got chili, I'll take it.
00:58:33.780 --> 00:58:35.588
Um, I'm not going to necessarily order it, but if it's there I'll put it on there.
00:58:35.588 --> 00:58:36.050
I I do like relish.
00:58:36.050 --> 00:58:40.958
Think it's the only dish that I would ever eat relish with.
00:58:40.958 --> 00:58:42.199
So yeah for sure.
00:58:42.199 --> 00:58:54.179
Um, honestly, I'm not like a big hot dog hater, like I put whatever you want, but like those are the parts I go to mustard, relish, onions, little chili you got it, I.
00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:59.398
So I feel like a chili dog is a different, different animal together, like that's, not, like that's.
00:58:59.398 --> 00:59:01.530
That's different, even than a hot dog.
00:59:01.530 --> 00:59:02.672
Yeah, yeah, it is.
00:59:02.672 --> 00:59:06.561
Um, I put ketchup on a hot dog always.
00:59:06.561 --> 00:59:10.775
I don't understand why that's not Dude.
00:59:10.775 --> 00:59:11.197
Here's the thing.
00:59:11.197 --> 00:59:14.552
I don't care if this is going to sound preachy or pretentious or whatever.
00:59:14.552 --> 00:59:23.655
If you are taking time out of your day to lecture someone on what's on a hot dog, what they should eat on it, fuck off.
00:59:23.655 --> 00:59:25.219
It's a hot dog.
00:59:25.219 --> 00:59:28.695
It's made for children and poor people and baseball games.
00:59:28.695 --> 00:59:29.018
It's a hot dog.
00:59:29.018 --> 00:59:30.789
It's made for children and poor people and baseball games, that's it.
00:59:31.730 --> 00:59:38.204
I'm going to let some smart-ass kid get on this bone and create this stuff, tyler.
00:59:38.204 --> 00:59:42.418
I've seen this and of course it's on Barstool a bunch.
00:59:42.418 --> 00:59:44.275
I saw our buddy Cruz posted about it.
00:59:44.275 --> 00:59:45.139
It's like oh man.
00:59:45.931 --> 00:59:47.797
Dude, I don't care if anyone says I'm putting ketchup on a hot dog.
00:59:47.797 --> 00:59:51.358
Who fucking cares?
00:59:51.358 --> 00:59:54.525
Dude, hot dogs are made of God knows what.
00:59:54.525 --> 00:59:55.672
It's basically outer space.
00:59:55.672 --> 00:59:56.376
We don't know what's in there.
00:59:56.376 --> 00:59:58.182
Hot dogs are the bottom of the ocean.
00:59:58.182 --> 01:00:00.795
We have no fucking clue what's really in there at all.
01:00:00.795 --> 01:00:06.585
And if we're going to eat a hot dog, let's not judge what we put on top.
01:00:06.585 --> 01:00:15.038
If you're going to judge someone for eating a hot dog, you should judge them for just eating the hot dog, not what they put on the hot dog to make whatever's in there better.
01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:18.648
Um, we'll close with that you know what?
01:00:18.668 --> 01:00:20.713
we'll close that all right.
01:00:20.835 --> 01:00:26.838
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01:00:37.010 --> 01:00:38.554
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01:00:49.483 --> 01:00:51.998
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01:00:53.851 --> 01:01:02.340
And, yeah, we'll bring back the hotline as we get closer to the season, as a reminder once the video game comes out.
01:01:02.340 --> 01:01:05.728
I'm going to figure out a way to stream my PS5 and I'm going to play it.
01:01:05.728 --> 01:01:11.336
Get the chat going and you guys can watch me play that game, which I'm not good at, but it'll be fun.
01:01:11.336 --> 01:01:16.442
And don't forget about the daily podcast that Chris is doing every single day.
01:01:16.442 --> 01:01:19.199
Chris, remind everybody who the guests are this week again.
01:01:19.909 --> 01:01:22.880
Yeah, so every night this week we'll do it at 8 pm Eastern.
01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:24.536
So Tuesday through Thursday.
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Tomorrow we have Graham Coff Coffee from the Players Lounge and Dogs United his site, and then we'll be talking about the coaching rankings in all things Georgia.
01:01:37.217 --> 01:01:38.715
So that'll be a fun one for our Georgia crowd.
01:01:38.715 --> 01:01:44.996
And then Wednesday we have Duke the Scoop from On3, formerly of 247.
01:01:44.996 --> 01:01:50.690
He is a recruiting guru, also pretty up to be with all things Auburn as well.
01:01:50.769 --> 01:02:00.809
so that'll be the Tuesday Wednesday shows, and then we'll figure out Thursday alright, guys, thanks for listening, thanks for tuning in, thanks for all of you guys that came in live for Chris and Tyler.
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We will talk to you guys.
01:02:02.690 --> 01:02:03.733
Well, chris will talk to you tomorrow.
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How about that?
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You guys have a good night.
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