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Welcome to your shifter.
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He's Sean Capstick.
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And he's Renee Roulot.
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And Renee, please tell us why are we here?
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Sean, we're here for two reasons.
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One, you like said band.
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Guess what?
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You're gonna learn a bunch about said band.
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Two, you never heard of this band?
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You're gonna learn about this band, and maybe, who knows, you'll actually become a fan of theirs.
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And I think three, so we can listen to bands that maybe have dropped off of our rotation, something out of the past a little bit, something that makes you, hey, let's listen to this band.
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And because we have a podcast, we get to talk about the band.
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Yeah, we get to use the excuse to listen to the band again.
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Which brings us to this band, Sean.
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What's this band all about?
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Well, this band was really important in the 90s and the aughts.
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I listened to them a lot, and they never totally dropped out of circulation.
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They broke up end of the 2009 or something, and then they reformed in 2015.
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I saw them in 2015.
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Uh, and I'm gonna see them again.
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It's the band called Luna, and I saw them on touring their second album way back in the day, probably you know, what what would that be?
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30 years ago.
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And see, and then the music still resonates.
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Yeah, and you saw them at Lee's Palace, right?
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I saw them at Lee's Palace.
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And then I think you're gonna see them again at the Palace.
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And I'm gonna see them again at Lee's Palace.
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Yes, pretty well.
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So, you know, what comes around goes around, that's for sure.
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Okay, so let's get into the band before we hear their music.
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They were a supergroup of sorts back in the 90s.
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So the band, and they've changed a little bit over time, but Dean Wareham has been the main guy.
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He's the singer, guitarist, he was born in New Zealand, grew up in New York, and he's ex Galaxy 500.
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Yes.
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Justin Harwood played bass up until 1999, and he was ex chills.
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Okay.
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Uh Stanley Dembsky was drums in the early era, and he's ex-Feelys.
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And then in 1993, they were joined on uh guitar by a guy named Sean Eden, and uh I don't know what bands he was in before then, but he was born in Canada, grew up in Texas, and then Lee Wall has taken over drumming from 1999, uh '97 onward, and Brita Phillips has played bass since 1999 as well.
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And she was a musician, an actress, and a voiceover, uh cartoon voiceover star in her own right before she joined the band.
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That's cool.
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And Galaxy 500, for me, is the most famous of all those bands, Feelies and Chills.
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And they were quite popular, Galaxy 500 back in the day.
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Do you want to get into the prehistory?
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Because I want to say a little bit about all of those bands.
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Or do you want to hear I think maybe their best song?
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Um what do you want to do?
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I want to hear a song.
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Okay, so well, the first thing to introduce this song, the first thing I gotta say about this song is in 1993, Luna was invited by Lou Reed to be the opening act for Velvet Underground's reunion tour through Europe.
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So, Renee, I got a question.
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Is it better to regret what you have done or you haven't?
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I think what you have done, it's better to regret what you have done.
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I think so too, but somehow 93.
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Like, you know, we were living our lives, we didn't have kids, we could have popped off to Europe anytime we wanted.
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Why didn't we go?
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Because we had no money.
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Ah, okay.
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Maybe that's yeah.
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Probably.
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Yeah.
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That we couldn't just pop off to Europe and see them the Velvets play.
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That would have been amazing.
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I didn't even know about that until you were just saying it now.
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Yeah, no, no.
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I remember looking at it, going, I'm regretting not being there right now.
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But that'd be so cool.
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Uh so on that tour, of course, uh Wareham met all of the the Velvets, but he picked up a friendship with Sterling Morrison, who is the second guitarist in the Velvet Underground, and he plays on this song called Friendly Advice off their second album, Bewitched.
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Awesome.
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All right, let's hear it.
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Cover my face with the roses, cover the head to toe.
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You wanted to give me some friendly advice.
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That was all right, I'm gonna get so that's just like a classic six-minute song, and it fades out with them just going ba over the distinctive velvety guitar.
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I was gonna say just such a beautiful song.
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It's so velvet underground, it's wild.
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Like in a best way possible.
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And that's not a bad thing.
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No, that's not a bad thing.
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Okay, so let's get into explore a little bit more about that pre-history.
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So I don't know.
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We can maybe let's not start with Galaxy 500, right?
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So let's start with the Feelies, right?
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So do you remember the Feelys?
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I do not.
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I know of I remember of them, but I don't remember hearing any of it.
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So they have a song that gets played on my algorithm that I appreciate called Crazy Rhythm.
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And they were a New Jersey indie hero band from 76 to 92, right?
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They reunited a number of times and they played a number of shows, and I think this will be a theme for this episode.
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In 2005, they released a Velvet Underground cover album from a live show, and it's just a fine little like sing-along with the Velvets they do like uh a lot of the songs off that uh Peel Slowly and C album.
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They do a few of the other cuts.
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It's a nice, it's a nice little live record.
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So the Chills.
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The Chills are a New Zealand band, and they formed even earlier.
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They formed in in 1980, and they've reformed a number of times over the years.
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Continue to go on after Martin Phillips' death in 2004.
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And they have a distinctive sound.
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Pink frost, I love my leather jacket is one of the songs that that they did and has been covered by a lot of people because who doesn't love a leather jacket at some point in your life if you haven't loved your leather jacket that maybe you really haven't loved?
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Sorry, PET.
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Sorry, PETA.
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But amongst some sensitive replacement fans, I think the Chills could be considered even a more iconic band than Luna.
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So they've got a big following.
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And then Renee, did Chloe ever watch Gem?
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No.
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The cartoon Gem?
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I think it's a little bit, it was probably a well, I mean, it it's before her time, but maybe she watched it in reruns.
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I never heard of it.
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Oh, it's I didn't watch it, but I knew of it.
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It's a cartoon series that revolves around Jessica Benton, the owner and manager of Starlight Music and her alter ego, Jem.
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Jem is a lead singer of an all-female rock group, Gem and the Holograms.
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And this is where it gets fuzzy.
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Jessica adopts the persona of Jem with the help of a holographic computer known as Synergy, and that was built by Jessica's father and bequeathed to her after her death.
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And she there's a bad all German girl band that they kind of have to foil their plans, and there's a song each one.
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And the reason I mention it is because Britta Phillips was the voice of Jem.
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Fun.
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Yeah.
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And her other claim to fame is she co-starred in the teen rock band Satisfaction, which I don't remember.
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It wasn't my teens, but it was that movie also starred Justine Bateman and Julia Roberts' first major screen play.
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So that's pretty cool.
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Yeah.
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So uh yeah, so Phillips comes from from from a different history.
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And then okay, we can mention the Galaxy 500.
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So do you know what a Galaxy 500 is?
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No, it is an iconic Ford coupe.
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I think it also came in four-door that in my vague memory was the car that my dad owned when he died.
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Oh because there was like this big Ford 500 in our driveway for a long time before my mom sold it and bought a smaller car that she had.
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So it was like one of those old 70s boats.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Very much a 70s boat.
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Yeah.
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But that was the name of Wareham's first major band.
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They were a reverb-saturated, woozy, slow-paced three-piece.
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And they wrote some iconic songs for Joe, our sound engineer.
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They did a great cover of Ceremony that I put on our playlist, cheating a little bit.
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Yes.
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Okay, we'll give it to you, bud.
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Uh Luna Besties that we'll put uh ceremony.
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And their first song was called Tugboat.
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And he goes on in his nasally voice, going, I just want to be your tugboat captain.
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And that's what Sterling Morrison did after the Velvet Undergrounds.
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He was a New York City tugboat captain.
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No way.
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Maybe it's not an apocryphal tale, but that's what I believe.
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Wow.
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Okay.
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So yeah, so that's where they came from.
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And then in 1991, they released an album called Luna Park.
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And they were Luna Squared at this time because there was a folk artist named Luna.
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Always one, right?
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That I guess they did agree with at the end and said, Well, you we can both be Luna.
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I think people the world's big enough for two Lunas.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But only one moon.
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So I gotta go into the producers.
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I'm gonna go pretty deep.
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Okay.
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Fred Mayer.
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No recollection.
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So he's an American drummer who was in Scritti Polity.
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Oh my god.
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I always thought Scritty Polity was uh British.
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Maybe he moved to the UK.
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Yeah, but I mean that uh Scritty Polity, they had such a funny name.
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But aside from that little fun fact, he also played drums on Lou Reed's Legendary Hearts, New Sensations, and then he produced on the amazing New York album.
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So he's got some some progressive shots.
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He's got some shots, and you're a fan for sure.
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I'm a fan.
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He worked with Robert Quine, who was the ex voivoids.
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Right.
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And uh also played with Lou.
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And he produced Lloyd Cole.
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Oh, very nice.
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Matthew Sweet.
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Which wine rattlesnakes?
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We don't know.
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We don't know.
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Yeah, sorry, I should have I should have gone that deep because I was looking at it.
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No.
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He's done a fair bit of stuff with Lloyd Cole.
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He produced Matthew Sweet's girlfriend.
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Oh nice.
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The Breeders and many others.
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And I would say what's interesting about this is that they followed a pattern over the years that they released the album and then they released an EP to go along with it.
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And this would again again have been back when that was vinyl.
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And so the EP contained kind of slightly different versions of the original cuts off the album and their tradition of covers.
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Dean Wareham loves covers.
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And you know who else loves covers?
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I know you like covers when it's different.
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That's the way I like it, when the band puts their own take on the cover.
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But I would say you like most covers.
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Like you're a big, you love covers.
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I love covers okay.
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I think it's such an interesting way of representing yourself and your influences, and then bringing, yeah, a different thing to uh to a band that maybe people haven't heard of.
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Yeah, shining a light on a band that's overlooked.
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Oh wow, that sounds familiar, shifter.
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Yes.
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Okay, but let's play one of Luna's original songs.
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This is again early Luna.
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It's called Anesthesia off there, Luna Park.
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All right, let's hear it.
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I see you waking up, and a five day is on you.
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The parties of now.
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Like it's just so it's like they inflect on the end, it's like positive and up.
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Anesthesia.
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Yeah, it's nice.
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And it was almost a mon green, but I had to look it up because I was thinking, and I tried to freeze you, but you're under anesthesia, but it's I tried to please you.
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Okay.
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And then you're he does.
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Do you want to say what a mongreen is again?
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A mon green is where you misinterpret the lyrics, usually to great comedic device for everybody else around you, but you, and then you insist, no, that is the way that they actually write.
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Until you're proven wrong, until you're proven wrong.
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Or you decide, no, my lyrics better.
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But yeah, totally better.
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Yeah.
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All right, awesome.
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So yeah, that's great.
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And again, I'll point out because I think I'll come back to this, that on that slide EP, they do a great cover of Rided to the Sun, which is a uh deep Velvets track, and heavily influenced by the Dream Syndicate, they do a great Dream Syndicate cover on that as well.
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Again, starting a great trend.
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Okay, so 94.
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Bewitched comes out, and so this was the album that I just totally couldn't get enough on.
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That this was really from beginning to end, and I'm not gonna put all of the Bewitched songs on our playlist, but I would encourage people to just listen to that album.
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That was good.
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That's what where friendly advice came from.
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And so this album was produced by Victor Van Good.
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So he's an Australian music producer and engineer who worked with Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds.
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He produced The Good Sun and Murder Balance.
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He was the engineer on Billy Bragg's Don't Try This At Home.
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He produced PJ's Harvey's Stories from the City from the Sea.
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I had to look up all of these ones because yeah, these are super important albums to be the Mohawk 3, which is way back from your day, just to name a few.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So yeah, the we heard that.
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Let's keep going because we don't get bogged down playing every single song and discussing which one is more beautiful than the last.
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Then they came out with Penthouse, Hot on the Heels of Bewitched Penthouse.
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And so this was really where they got a lot of critical acclaim.
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And so this one, again, I gotta go through the producer, Patrick McCarthy.
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He's a record producer for Dublin, Ireland, who most notably took over producing REM from Scott Litt.
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So remember all of those early REM albums, the great REM albums like Murmur and stuff?
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Yeah, were produced by this guy, Scott Litt.
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Okay.
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And so he he mixed Monster and then New Adventures in Hi-Fi, but I think he took over from Up.
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But he also engineered U2, Madonna.
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So he did up or didn't do up?
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He he took over on Up.
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Yeah, I like that.
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That is an underrated album, Up.
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I like that album.
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And we were talking about the Waterboys in the last episode.
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Yeah, I love the Water Boys.
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So he engineered and played on Fisherman's Blues.
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Nice.
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Yeah.
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And inexplicably, his song credit productions also include the best of David Wilcox.
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Okay.
00:17:58.160 --> 00:17:58.880
That's weird.
00:17:59.279 --> 00:18:20.559
So and David Wilcox will not feature on Earshifter, but for listeners who just don't understand the incongruity on that, David Wilcox was a bar, a successful bar band musician who made a career by doing double entendres in his music.
00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:21.599
In Canada, right?
00:18:21.759 --> 00:18:22.960
In Canada, he's a Canadian, yeah.
00:18:23.119 --> 00:18:23.680
Canadian, yeah.
00:18:24.319 --> 00:18:25.440
One of our prouder ones.
00:18:25.680 --> 00:18:26.640
Ah, you know what?
00:18:28.079 --> 00:18:33.359
I listened to him at a whole bunch of parties in university, and it was tolerable.
00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:35.839
It was better than other, it was better than Bob Seeger.
00:18:35.920 --> 00:18:36.880
Yeah, all right, maybe.
00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:37.599
Yeah.
00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:47.759
So again, the influences, the wearing that very clearly, Tom Verlaine from television plays on this album.
00:18:47.920 --> 00:18:48.880
That's cool.
00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:57.359
And will you let me play some of the doo-wop on this track on Moon Palace, please, for our listeners?
00:18:57.599 --> 00:18:58.400
Absolutely, Sean.
00:18:58.480 --> 00:19:00.160
But is that the part of the track you want to play?
00:19:00.319 --> 00:19:03.119
Let's hear Moon Palace and just a little bit of the doo-wop.
00:19:03.519 --> 00:19:03.599
Okay.
00:19:04.160 --> 00:19:05.119
All right, let's hear it.
00:19:05.359 --> 00:19:07.680
What is it don't understand?
00:20:18.400 --> 00:20:21.440
Okay, I'm excited because uh here's the thing, Sean.
00:20:21.599 --> 00:20:23.039
I'd made a note about this one.
00:20:23.839 --> 00:20:29.119
I seem to have a thing about animals because I thought it was meow, meow, meow, meow.
00:20:29.680 --> 00:20:33.119
And then if you remember Kevin Morby, I thought it was dogs barking on the one side.
00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:36.559
But it's hey, hey, and it's meah, meow.
00:20:36.799 --> 00:20:38.160
But I like my version.
00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:39.759
You like your mongrene?
00:20:39.920 --> 00:20:40.319
Yeah.
00:20:40.480 --> 00:20:40.640
Yeah.
00:20:40.799 --> 00:20:42.960
I like to think it's meow, meow, meow.
00:20:43.519 --> 00:20:44.240
You be you.
00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:46.319
Yeah, as long as it makes you happy.
00:20:46.559 --> 00:20:47.519
I talked to Kevin Morby.
00:20:47.680 --> 00:20:48.799
He said it is dogs barking.
00:20:49.279 --> 00:20:50.799
Okay, well, I stand correct.
00:20:51.039 --> 00:20:51.759
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:20:51.920 --> 00:20:53.680
Anyway, no, it's a nice song.
00:20:53.839 --> 00:20:55.279
It's so like that whole.
00:20:55.519 --> 00:21:10.160
And the I remember in Lee's Palace, they were in meow or meowing, and uh the whole crowd went quiet and they stopped meowing, and everybody was quiet, and they said, Look at all the polite Canadians.
00:21:10.640 --> 00:21:12.720
I remember that distinctly, yes.
00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:13.839
On brand for sure.
00:21:14.079 --> 00:21:14.559
On brand.
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We don't know when to clap when the song finishes.
00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:17.759
Yeah.
00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:21.680
Okay, so Pop Tent is not on my streaming service.
00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:23.279
A lot of good songs on that.
00:21:23.359 --> 00:21:24.319
I would play that.
00:21:24.400 --> 00:21:27.599
I put one of the greatest hits on our list.
00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:32.480
But let's go now in '97 to 2004.
00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:34.960
They kind of dropped off Electra Records.
00:21:35.039 --> 00:21:42.720
They went to a more independent records jet set, and they released three albums: The Days of Our Nights, Romantica, and Rendezvous.
00:21:43.359 --> 00:21:53.039
So I'll stop talking about producers and the sense of time and great detail, but these albums feature a guy from Mercury Rev and a guy who worked on slanted energy.
00:21:53.440 --> 00:21:53.759
Whoa.
00:21:54.079 --> 00:21:55.119
That's pavement, people.
00:21:55.519 --> 00:21:56.240
So yes.
00:21:56.480 --> 00:21:58.480
So these are good songs, they're great.
00:21:58.799 --> 00:22:04.079
They have a uh Uh a song called Renee Is Crying and a song called Swedish Fish.
00:22:04.400 --> 00:22:05.599
Is it Renee with two E's?
00:22:05.680 --> 00:22:07.039
It's always Renee with two E's.
00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:10.319
Uh it's always three E's, yes, yeah.
00:22:10.400 --> 00:22:11.119
You've got two E's.
00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:12.319
What's wrong with two E's?
00:22:13.359 --> 00:22:17.519
So maybe that's where Parquet Courts got their songs, or at least their titles.
00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:40.319
And again, they kept putting out uh EPs, so uh I want to go in terms of the deep cut because I had the EP that went along with Romantica, and Romantica featured a lighter on the front cover, and their following EP was called Close Cover Before Striking.
00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:40.960
Oh, nice.
00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:43.279
So for younger listeners, yeah.
00:22:43.440 --> 00:22:45.839
That was the safety advice on a pack of matches.
00:22:46.000 --> 00:22:46.240
Yeah.
00:22:46.480 --> 00:22:47.759
So the kind of it was.
00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:49.839
Can you even get a pack of matches anymore?
00:22:49.920 --> 00:22:51.920
Like a standard restaurant pack of matches?
00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:53.119
I don't think so.
00:22:53.759 --> 00:22:54.240
I don't think so.
00:22:54.400 --> 00:23:00.799
I was I went to I went to a uh a wedding for the first time in a long time, and they didn't give out matches, they gave out pottery.
00:23:01.119 --> 00:23:01.599
My god.
00:23:01.680 --> 00:23:03.440
Yeah, what's the world coming to Sean?
00:23:03.920 --> 00:23:04.880
How times change?
00:23:05.119 --> 00:23:05.759
Come on now.
00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:12.799
So let's play, I think, my third favorite song about astronauts.
00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:14.240
Let's play Astronaut.
00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:15.839
All right, let's hear it.
00:24:34.960 --> 00:24:40.000
Okay, another pretty song, but more importantly, Sean, what are those other two astronaut songs?
00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:42.240
And before you answer, I think one of them is from the National.
00:24:42.559 --> 00:24:44.880
Yes, we're looking for astronauts.
00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:48.480
The alligator, that's that is gonna be my favorite astronaut song.
00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:49.440
What's the other one?
00:24:49.599 --> 00:24:54.400
Well, then it's debatable because they're the Nekons have a great song about astronauts.
00:24:54.640 --> 00:25:02.400
The Long Winters have a song about the boys and girls and cars and astronauts.
00:25:02.480 --> 00:25:07.759
So maybe after the first one, all the astronauts are all pretty good songs.
00:25:08.079 --> 00:25:10.240
Yeah, but I mean I the national for sure.
00:25:10.400 --> 00:25:10.640
Yeah, yeah.
00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:11.359
Way up there.
00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:12.960
That is a good yeah.
00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:22.720
Okay, so that EP also has covers of Waiting on a Friend and your favorite Alice Cooper, only Women Bleed.
00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:25.680
Okay, well, not my favorite, but yeah.
00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:28.079
It's you know what?
00:25:28.160 --> 00:25:40.000
I we we joked about it on the last episode, but it's actually a nice song, and it's a really sensitive song about abuse and uh raising issues, and uh, you know, and uh agree.
00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:41.519
I just think it has better ballads.
00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:44.480
We could do a whole episode on Alice Cooper except we can't.
00:25:44.720 --> 00:25:45.200
Except we can't.
00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:45.920
Yeah, we're not gonna.
00:25:46.559 --> 00:25:48.400
Yeah, it violates our own internal rules.
00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:49.279
That's right.
00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:59.440
Okay, so they broke up after uh they figured everything was done after rendezvous, and he called it quits with Luna.
00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:07.279
But Phillips, so he had asked what was originally gonna be a Wareham solo project.
00:26:07.359 --> 00:26:14.720
He got Phillips to do some demos, and the story goes he liked the demo so much he asked her to join the band.
00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:21.039
And that was their first like duo uh called La Ventura.
00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:23.680
But now I gotta go back to talk about producers.
00:26:24.079 --> 00:26:29.440
Okay, I'm you know, so you should know this guy, Tony Visconti.
00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:31.200
Oh yeah, yeah, for sure.
00:26:31.519 --> 00:26:34.720
So he produced their first little EP, right?
00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:41.279
So for listeners, Tony Visconti produced like all of the great T-Rex albums.
00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:48.240
We talked about him on our episode on Sparks because he produced Indiscreet, he produced Piggy Pop The Stranglers.
00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:50.000
Yeah, he's all over the place, eh?
00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:56.960
And some other artist, David Bowie, he produced all of those great Bowie albums in the 70s as well.
00:26:57.200 --> 00:26:57.759
Oh, did he?
00:26:57.839 --> 00:26:59.039
Oh shit, I should have known that.
00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:00.400
100% should have known that.
00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:01.359
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:08.000
So uh they continued on Jet Sets, it was originally under Britta Phillips and Dean Wareham.
00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:11.920
And so here's a bit of a deep cut that you may not know this.
00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:14.559
But Peter Kembler.
00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:15.519
Is that a name?
00:27:15.759 --> 00:27:25.359
No, aka Sonic Boom, founding member, vocalist guitarist of the neopsychedelic band Spaceman Three.
00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:28.079
I remember you loving Spaceman Three back in the day.
00:27:28.160 --> 00:27:28.880
Am I mistaken?
00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:31.440
I might be hallucinating, you might be hallucinating.
00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:33.599
Maybe we're both AI, I don't know.
00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:40.400
Okay, well, I'm gonna have to go start to listen to Spaceman Three again because maybe it was me who loved Space 3.
00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:43.119
But I was Mojave 3.
00:27:43.440 --> 00:27:46.000
You definitely introduced me to Mojave 3, I remember that.
00:27:46.240 --> 00:28:00.079
Okay, so um he liked the the that first record by Dean and British so much that he produced a an LP called Sonic Souvenirs, which was just a whole remix of that.
00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:04.240
Oh yeah, I gotta also mention Spaceman 3 took me off.
00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:06.400
He also produced Beast House album seven.
00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:07.440
Whoa, cool.
00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:09.839
He worked with some guy named Kevin Shields.
00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:13.359
Jesus and Pat Fish of The Jazz Butcher.
00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:14.000
Wow.
00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:14.799
Wow, yeah.
00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:15.759
So he gets around.
00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:17.279
Yeah, this guy Kempler gets around.
00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:20.240
And apparently ageless or something, or some sort of vampire.
00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:25.440
He sucks, he sucks the life out of all of the people he produces.
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:26.799
And you said T-Rex, right?
00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:28.319
Like that's no, that was Visconti.
00:28:28.799 --> 00:28:30.880
Oh no, I confused the two, okay?
00:28:31.039 --> 00:28:31.440
Never mind.
00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:31.920
Yeah.
00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:44.640
Okay, so again, I won't play it because this is a Luna episode, but that Dean and Brita took the dream pop even further, and I put a couple of the songs on there.
00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:48.880
On the Sonic Souvenirs, I remember I can't find it on the souvenir on the streaming service.
00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:51.279
They did a remix of ginger snaps.
00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:56.240
The original's pretty good, but again, the the remix just is even more spacey and beautiful.
00:28:56.400 --> 00:29:00.559
But yeah, listeners, give yourself the rhyming couplets of ginger snaps.
00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:03.599
Can we can't we just cheat and hear you turn my head around?
00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:04.640
Because I really like that one.
00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:06.000
Oh, isn't that a pretty song?
00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:09.680
You could put that on your playlist, on your total playlist.
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:10.480
Yeah.
00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:10.880
Yeah.
00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:12.880
Do you want to hear just a little bit?
00:29:13.119 --> 00:29:13.440
Okay.
00:29:13.599 --> 00:29:14.880
All right, let's do it.
00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:19.920
Let's do it and watch the sweet smile.
00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:48.319
My eyes were flying you too.
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:46.960
I said I never killed me.
00:30:58.960 --> 00:31:03.599
Yeah, that chorus break or pre-chorus breakout is just amazing.
00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:06.720
Obviously, it gives Bjork like big time, right?
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:09.440
Like, but it is absolutely incredible.
00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:13.119
Does she do a lot of that, or is it that a very unique song for her?
00:31:13.599 --> 00:31:19.759
She sings most like more than 50% in my recollection of those Dean and Britta songs.
00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:21.599
And yeah, she's got an amazing voice.
00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:22.240
Nice.
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:25.680
Now it makes makes me want to go see what the gem cartoons.
00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:26.799
Watch them on YouTube.
00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:32.640
Okay, so that's Wareham's main outlet right now.
00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:35.839
They have done film scores, The Squid and the Whale.
00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:37.519
Um that's a great movie.
00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:38.799
I knew you'd like that.
00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:43.759
They've done promoting documentary films of their own tour, right?
00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:46.319
Their uh their farewell tour back in the day.
00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:55.839
And in their recording of their record Back Numbers, which is also produced by Visconti, they got married.
00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:57.119
Oh wow.
00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:01.279
Yeah, so that's kind of a cute thing, yes.
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:10.559
And and they continue to collaborate, and Wareham released an album last year that to great critical acclaim, and they play together.
00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:12.079
They are a nice team.
00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:12.559
Yeah.
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:18.559
So in 2015, Luna reunited.
00:32:18.880 --> 00:32:29.440
And so I remember, I can't, I don't recall who I went and saw this show, but I distinctly remember seeing them in October of 2015 at the Dan Forth Music Hall.
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:32.720
And I was so happy to be, oh, I get to see Luna again.
00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:34.799
Was it crowded or it was busy?
00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:35.759
It was busy, yeah.
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:37.920
It holds like 800 somewhere.
00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:39.119
Yeah, a thousand, maybe.
00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:41.599
Yeah, and it was but it was a great show.
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:48.880
I remember go, you know, singing all the good songs and being really, really happy after seeing them again and thinking, okay, that's great.
00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:58.000
They released as part of their reunion, they released a full album of covers called A Sentimental Education.
00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:06.880
And they also released a fully instrumental album called A Place of Greater Safety.
00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:09.920
Is it ambient music?
00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:11.119
It is.
00:33:11.359 --> 00:33:12.640
I think you'd like it.
00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:15.759
Um yeah, I mean, I put one of the songs on the playlist.
00:33:16.079 --> 00:33:17.359
But yeah, take check that out.
00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:21.119
Like it's uh it isn't totally speculated.
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:24.319
Is it more like a feel good lost, like broken social scene, feel good lost?
00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:31.440
Yeah, it's more upbeat, but like uh it's no Godspeed you black emperor, right, right spaced out stuff.
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:32.960
But yeah, it's it's nice.
00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:46.799
Uh Wareham says on Luna, they're a band who plays their classic material, occasionally record covers, tours because they enjoy it, and does not feel the pressure to make new Luna albums.
00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:48.480
So that's fine, right?
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:54.960
But he's left the door open if the right songs somehow appear and he feels that they're uh a Luna songs.
00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:58.160
Luna songs, but you know, he's uh it's great.
00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:08.159
And and I think he's taken this elder statesman type role within this indie pop, you know, uh we keep saying the songs are beautiful.
00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:12.639
But I think he's got a great place, he's very very well respected by people who know there.
00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:14.639
And I think it's great that they're touring.
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:25.440
Again, another thing about regretting now that the they played, we should follow these bands, and when we can go travel to certain places in the world again, that'll be great.
00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:36.159
Because they just played a uh a show in New York and they were joined by Steve Wynne from The Dream Syndicate, that song that I played, you know, highlighted in their first thing.
00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:46.320
And uh yeah, they had a great time, and just so you know, indie rock darlings who are still rocking out and they still they're still actively playing.
00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:49.280
So I'm excited, really excited to see them when they come back.
00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:50.880
I'm excited for you, bud.
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:56.559
Yeah, so let's play one of the covers from Sentimental Education.
00:34:56.719 --> 00:34:58.400
Let's play Car Wash Hair.
00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:01.119
Now, do you remember that song back in the day?
00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:05.760
I enjoyed this song, so I didn't even know it was a cover, and I enjoyed the song quite a bit.
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:07.360
Like, I like that song, it's good.
00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:08.960
It's so crazy.
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:10.639
Yeah, so let's hear it.
00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:14.000
Number two is gonna make a few.
00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:36.079
Okay.
00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:40.000
Mercury Rev being a band from upstate New York.
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:45.840
And yeah, I mean, I don't know what car wash hair is, but I want to rub my hands through it as well.
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:48.000
It's such a beautiful, haunting song.
00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:52.159
Yeah, like that that CD from that came back and from back in the day.
00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:54.880
We I played that a lot at the cottage.
00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:56.719
So, and there's a whole bunch more.
00:36:56.880 --> 00:36:58.400
Check out the uh the the tracks.
00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:04.639
I have I'm surprised you're not talking about the I'm so bored with the USA cover that they do.
00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:18.000
Yeah, dude, I'm such a clash fan, so that was a bit problematic for me because I didn't that's not my favorite Luna song or Brita and Dean and Britta song either, but I love that they made it their own.
00:37:18.079 --> 00:37:21.920
I mean their own and you can understand all of the lyrics.
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:23.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:27.840
Yeah, Joe Strummer sang it back in the day.
00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:28.719
Yeah, yeah.
00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:33.679
That was from the quarantine tapes, where I guess they were bored and just recording stuff at home.
00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:34.880
So yeah, good for them.
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:39.519
They just, you know, they come back and keep going, and that's wonderful.
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:39.840
Yeah.
00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:40.400
Okay.
00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:42.960
Why are they an airshifter band, Renee?
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:45.039
I mean, I think they were pioneers, right?
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:52.000
Like they literally were, if not started a very early start on the whole dream pop genre, right?
00:37:52.239 --> 00:38:00.480
So I'd say they're 100% an earshifter band, and they have 170,000 monthly listeners, which clearly they deserve way more than that.
00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:01.440
I think so.
00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:09.519
I think that so I think he's a connector to all of our earshifter bands, right?
00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:16.320
His influences and his influence is way less than the fabled sixth degree of separation.
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I think if most, if not all, the bands we feature or likely to feature in the future are gonna have some connection to a producer, to a somebody that the cover they've done, that there's something that he's really that that kind of um, you know, and people write about him, right?
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And people write about the bands.
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For example, I remember you mentioned on our Neutral Milk Hotel episode that the Neutral Milk Hotel song Naomi was written about the Galaxy 500 bassist, Naomi Yang, right?
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So there it's just his little bit of in the Zekeist.
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Yeah, good point.
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Uh I think he also wear him paints these pictures, creates these little vignettes, right?
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I mean, his lyrics are great, but they're not stories, they're not telling you about the characters, they're not in a character development sense, they're more painting a picture in situations of what the characters are in and the feelings of the characters that I really like, right?
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And I think his use of the doo-wops is unparalleled, right?
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I mean, Lou Reed loved doo-wop, and Jonathan Richmond, who loved Lou Reed, did a whole bunch of doo-wops in his songs, and I can remember listening to those Jonathan Richmond albums after The Modern Lovers going, How did he come up with all these nonsense words that sound so great in the song?
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And I think Wareham has done that better than those guys.
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But it made me think I remember reading this article, and I did I didn't go back and re-reread it, but I convinced myself that it did exist in Harper's magazine.
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Do you remember if you remember Harper's?
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I still read Harper's.
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Harper's is great.
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I love it.
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It's and I get it in a tangible physical copy, and it makes me happy to read it.
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So back in the late tens, it was an article by this guy named Dave Samuels.
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I looked it up, and it was called Underachievers, Please Try Harder.
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I've heard of that.
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Well, I think that's the Underachievers something is a camera obscura title.
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I don't think they say please try harder, but it's it's there's something about underachievers and cameras obscura.
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Yeah.
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And so the the point of this, he's basically he talks about Wareham getting invited to curate this rock show in England.
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I think it was All Tomorrow's Parties, where it was like a they have bring the curator gets to pick all the bands, it would be pretty cool.
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And he's like, he says that Wareham is the patron saint of elegant underachievement, a guy who proved you can make perfect art without pretending you want to be a winner, which I think is kind of a nice, like, you know, he's like, I'm just gonna bring back Luna because it feels good, and I'm gonna tour, and I'm so excited about Luna.
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He's doing his thing.
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You know, it's uh it's a a a smallness, a deliberate smallness.
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And I think one of the quotes that I remember reading, I think it was Rolling Stone, called them the best band you have never heard of.
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That's a good question.
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And so I think that's why they're an air shifter band, and that's our mission to change that, Renee.
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We've got to get more people listening to Luna.
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Exactly.
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So listen, people please.
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Yeah, please, please.
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Uh okay, well, that's a wrap.
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What are we gonna hear next time, Renee?
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We're gonna go Canadian.
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We're gonna listen and talk about a Canadian band that was not a supergroup when they started, but had so many offshoots and little projects that those same members literally transformed into the supergroup, which was the same members, but because they all did these offshoots and projects and then came back, now they're a supergroup.
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I'm looking forward to hearing that one.
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Yeah, it's gonna be good.
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Okay, until next time.
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Welcome to your shifter.
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He's Sean Capstick.
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And he's Renee Roulot.
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And Renee, please tell us why are we here?
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Sean, we're here for two reasons.
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One, you like said band.
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Guess what?
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You're gonna learn a bunch about said band.
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Two, you never heard of this band?
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You're gonna learn about this band, and maybe, who knows, you'll actually become a fan of theirs.
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And I think three, so we can listen to bands that maybe have dropped off of our rotation, something out of the past a little bit, something that makes you, hey, let's listen to this band.
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And because we have a podcast, we get to talk about the band.
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Yeah, we get to use the excuse to listen to the band again.
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Which brings us to this band, Sean.
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What's this band all about?
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Well, this band was really important in the 90s and the aughts.
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I listened to them a lot, and they never totally dropped out of circulation.
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They broke up end of the 2009 or something, and then they reformed in 2015.
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I saw them in 2015.
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Uh, and I'm gonna see them again.
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It's the band called Luna, and I saw them on touring their second album way back in the day, probably you know, what what would that be?
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30 years ago.
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And see, and then the music still resonates.
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Yeah, and you saw them at Lee's Palace, right?
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I saw them at Lee's Palace.
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And then I think you're gonna see them again at the Palace.
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And I'm gonna see them again at Lee's Palace.
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Yes, pretty well.
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So, you know, what comes around goes around, that's for sure.
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Okay, so let's get into the band before we hear their music.
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They were a supergroup of sorts back in the 90s.
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So the band, and they've changed a little bit over time, but Dean Wareham has been the main guy.
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He's the singer, guitarist, he was born in New Zealand, grew up in New York, and he's ex Galaxy 500.
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Yes.
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Justin Harwood played bass up until 1999, and he was ex chills.
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Okay.
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Uh Stanley Dembsky was drums in the early era, and he's ex-Feelys.
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And then in 1993, they were joined on uh guitar by a guy named Sean Eden, and uh I don't know what bands he was in before then, but he was born in Canada, grew up in Texas, and then Lee Wall has taken over drumming from 1999, uh '97 onward, and Brita Phillips has played bass since 1999 as well.
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And she was a musician, an actress, and a voiceover, uh cartoon voiceover star in her own right before she joined the band.
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That's cool.
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And Galaxy 500, for me, is the most famous of all those bands, Feelies and Chills.
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And they were quite popular, Galaxy 500 back in the day.
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Do you want to get into the prehistory?
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Because I want to say a little bit about all of those bands.
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Or do you want to hear I think maybe their best song?
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Um what do you want to do?
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I want to hear a song.
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Okay, so well, the first thing to introduce this song, the first thing I gotta say about this song is in 1993, Luna was invited by Lou Reed to be the opening act for Velvet Underground's reunion tour through Europe.
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So, Renee, I got a question.
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Is it better to regret what you have done or you haven't?
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I think what you have done, it's better to regret what you have done.
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I think so too, but somehow 93.
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Like, you know, we were living our lives, we didn't have kids, we could have popped off to Europe anytime we wanted.
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Why didn't we go?
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Because we had no money.
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Ah, okay.
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Maybe that's yeah.
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Probably.
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Yeah.
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That we couldn't just pop off to Europe and see them the Velvets play.
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That would have been amazing.
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I didn't even know about that until you were just saying it now.
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Yeah, no, no.
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I remember looking at it, going, I'm regretting not being there right now.
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But that'd be so cool.
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Uh so on that tour, of course, uh Wareham met all of the the Velvets, but he picked up a friendship with Sterling Morrison, who is the second guitarist in the Velvet Underground, and he plays on this song called Friendly Advice off their second album, Bewitched.
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Awesome.
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All right, let's hear it.
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Cover my face with the roses, cover the head to toe.
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You wanted to give me some friendly advice.
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That was all right, I'm gonna get so that's just like a classic six-minute song, and it fades out with them just going ba over the distinctive velvety guitar.
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I was gonna say just such a beautiful song.
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It's so velvet underground, it's wild.
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Like in a best way possible.
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And that's not a bad thing.
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No, that's not a bad thing.
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Okay, so let's get into explore a little bit more about that pre-history.
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So I don't know.
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We can maybe let's not start with Galaxy 500, right?
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So let's start with the Feelies, right?
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So do you remember the Feelys?
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I do not.
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I know of I remember of them, but I don't remember hearing any of it.
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So they have a song that gets played on my algorithm that I appreciate called Crazy Rhythm.
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And they were a New Jersey indie hero band from 76 to 92, right?
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They reunited a number of times and they played a number of shows, and I think this will be a theme for this episode.
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In 2005, they released a Velvet Underground cover album from a live show, and it's just a fine little like sing-along with the Velvets they do like uh a lot of the songs off that uh Peel Slowly and C album.
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They do a few of the other cuts.
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It's a nice, it's a nice little live record.
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So the Chills.
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The Chills are a New Zealand band, and they formed even earlier.
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They formed in in 1980, and they've reformed a number of times over the years.
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Continue to go on after Martin Phillips' death in 2004.
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And they have a distinctive sound.
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Pink frost, I love my leather jacket is one of the songs that that they did and has been covered by a lot of people because who doesn't love a leather jacket at some point in your life if you haven't loved your leather jacket that maybe you really haven't loved?
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Sorry, PET.
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Sorry, PETA.
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But amongst some sensitive replacement fans, I think the Chills could be considered even a more iconic band than Luna.
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So they've got a big following.
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And then Renee, did Chloe ever watch Gem?
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No.
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The cartoon Gem?
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I think it's a little bit, it was probably a well, I mean, it it's before her time, but maybe she watched it in reruns.
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I never heard of it.
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Oh, it's I didn't watch it, but I knew of it.
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It's a cartoon series that revolves around Jessica Benton, the owner and manager of Starlight Music and her alter ego, Jem.
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Jem is a lead singer of an all-female rock group, Gem and the Holograms.
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And this is where it gets fuzzy.
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Jessica adopts the persona of Jem with the help of a holographic computer known as Synergy, and that was built by Jessica's father and bequeathed to her after her death.
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And she there's a bad all German girl band that they kind of have to foil their plans, and there's a song each one.
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And the reason I mention it is because Britta Phillips was the voice of Jem.
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Fun.
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Yeah.
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And her other claim to fame is she co-starred in the teen rock band Satisfaction, which I don't remember.
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It wasn't my teens, but it was that movie also starred Justine Bateman and Julia Roberts' first major screen play.
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So that's pretty cool.
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Yeah.
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So uh yeah, so Phillips comes from from from a different history.
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And then okay, we can mention the Galaxy 500.
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So do you know what a Galaxy 500 is?
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No, it is an iconic Ford coupe.
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I think it also came in four-door that in my vague memory was the car that my dad owned when he died.
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Oh because there was like this big Ford 500 in our driveway for a long time before my mom sold it and bought a smaller car that she had.
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So it was like one of those old 70s boats.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Very much a 70s boat.
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Yeah.
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But that was the name of Wareham's first major band.
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They were a reverb-saturated, woozy, slow-paced three-piece.
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And they wrote some iconic songs for Joe, our sound engineer.
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They did a great cover of Ceremony that I put on our playlist, cheating a little bit.
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Yes.
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Okay, we'll give it to you, bud.
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Uh Luna Besties that we'll put uh ceremony.
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And their first song was called Tugboat.
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And he goes on in his nasally voice, going, I just want to be your tugboat captain.
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And that's what Sterling Morrison did after the Velvet Undergrounds.
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He was a New York City tugboat captain.
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No way.
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Maybe it's not an apocryphal tale, but that's what I believe.
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Wow.
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Okay.
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So yeah, so that's where they came from.
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And then in 1991, they released an album called Luna Park.
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And they were Luna Squared at this time because there was a folk artist named Luna.
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Always one, right?
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That I guess they did agree with at the end and said, Well, you we can both be Luna.
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I think people the world's big enough for two Lunas.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But only one moon.
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So I gotta go into the producers.
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I'm gonna go pretty deep.
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Okay.
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Fred Mayer.
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No recollection.
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So he's an American drummer who was in Scritti Polity.
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Oh my god.
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I always thought Scritty Polity was uh British.
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Maybe he moved to the UK.
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Yeah, but I mean that uh Scritty Polity, they had such a funny name.
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But aside from that little fun fact, he also played drums on Lou Reed's Legendary Hearts, New Sensations, and then he produced on the amazing New York album.
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So he's got some some progressive shots.
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He's got some shots, and you're a fan for sure.
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I'm a fan.
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He worked with Robert Quine, who was the ex voivoids.
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Right.
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And uh also played with Lou.
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And he produced Lloyd Cole.
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Oh, very nice.
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Matthew Sweet.
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Which wine rattlesnakes?
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We don't know.
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We don't know.
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Yeah, sorry, I should have I should have gone that deep because I was looking at it.
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No.
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He's done a fair bit of stuff with Lloyd Cole.
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He produced Matthew Sweet's girlfriend.
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Oh nice.
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The Breeders and many others.
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And I would say what's interesting about this is that they followed a pattern over the years that they released the album and then they released an EP to go along with it.
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And this would again again have been back when that was vinyl.
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And so the EP contained kind of slightly different versions of the original cuts off the album and their tradition of covers.
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Dean Wareham loves covers.
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And you know who else loves covers?
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I know you like covers when it's different.
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That's the way I like it, when the band puts their own take on the cover.
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But I would say you like most covers.
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Like you're a big, you love covers.
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I love covers okay.
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I think it's such an interesting way of representing yourself and your influences, and then bringing, yeah, a different thing to uh to a band that maybe people haven't heard of.
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Yeah, shining a light on a band that's overlooked.
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Oh wow, that sounds familiar, shifter.
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Yes.
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Okay, but let's play one of Luna's original songs.
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This is again early Luna.
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It's called Anesthesia off there, Luna Park.
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All right, let's hear it.
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I see you waking up, and a five day is on you.
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The parties of now.
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Like it's just so it's like they inflect on the end, it's like positive and up.
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Anesthesia.
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Yeah, it's nice.
00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:58.320
And it was almost a mon green, but I had to look it up because I was thinking, and I tried to freeze you, but you're under anesthesia, but it's I tried to please you.
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Okay.
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And then you're he does.
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Do you want to say what a mongreen is again?
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A mon green is where you misinterpret the lyrics, usually to great comedic device for everybody else around you, but you, and then you insist, no, that is the way that they actually write.
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Until you're proven wrong, until you're proven wrong.
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Or you decide, no, my lyrics better.
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But yeah, totally better.
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Yeah.
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All right, awesome.
00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:23.279
So yeah, that's great.
00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:41.360
And again, I'll point out because I think I'll come back to this, that on that slide EP, they do a great cover of Rided to the Sun, which is a uh deep Velvets track, and heavily influenced by the Dream Syndicate, they do a great Dream Syndicate cover on that as well.
00:15:41.440 --> 00:15:42.960
Again, starting a great trend.
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Okay, so 94.
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Bewitched comes out, and so this was the album that I just totally couldn't get enough on.
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That this was really from beginning to end, and I'm not gonna put all of the Bewitched songs on our playlist, but I would encourage people to just listen to that album.
00:16:02.960 --> 00:16:03.360
That was good.
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That's what where friendly advice came from.
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And so this album was produced by Victor Van Good.
00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:18.480
So he's an Australian music producer and engineer who worked with Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds.
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He produced The Good Sun and Murder Balance.
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He was the engineer on Billy Bragg's Don't Try This At Home.
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He produced PJ's Harvey's Stories from the City from the Sea.
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I had to look up all of these ones because yeah, these are super important albums to be the Mohawk 3, which is way back from your day, just to name a few.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:41.759
So yeah, the we heard that.
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Let's keep going because we don't get bogged down playing every single song and discussing which one is more beautiful than the last.
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Then they came out with Penthouse, Hot on the Heels of Bewitched Penthouse.
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And so this was really where they got a lot of critical acclaim.
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And so this one, again, I gotta go through the producer, Patrick McCarthy.
00:17:01.919 --> 00:17:09.440
He's a record producer for Dublin, Ireland, who most notably took over producing REM from Scott Litt.
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So remember all of those early REM albums, the great REM albums like Murmur and stuff?
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Yeah, were produced by this guy, Scott Litt.
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Okay.
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And so he he mixed Monster and then New Adventures in Hi-Fi, but I think he took over from Up.
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But he also engineered U2, Madonna.
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So he did up or didn't do up?
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He he took over on Up.
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Yeah, I like that.
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That is an underrated album, Up.
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I like that album.
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And we were talking about the Waterboys in the last episode.
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Yeah, I love the Water Boys.
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So he engineered and played on Fisherman's Blues.
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Nice.
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Yeah.
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And inexplicably, his song credit productions also include the best of David Wilcox.
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Okay.
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That's weird.
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So and David Wilcox will not feature on Earshifter, but for listeners who just don't understand the incongruity on that, David Wilcox was a bar, a successful bar band musician who made a career by doing double entendres in his music.
00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:21.599
In Canada, right?
00:18:21.759 --> 00:18:22.960
In Canada, he's a Canadian, yeah.
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Canadian, yeah.
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One of our prouder ones.
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Ah, you know what?
00:18:28.079 --> 00:18:33.359
I listened to him at a whole bunch of parties in university, and it was tolerable.
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It was better than other, it was better than Bob Seeger.
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Yeah, all right, maybe.
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Yeah.
00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:47.759
So again, the influences, the wearing that very clearly, Tom Verlaine from television plays on this album.
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That's cool.
00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:57.359
And will you let me play some of the doo-wop on this track on Moon Palace, please, for our listeners?
00:18:57.599 --> 00:18:58.400
Absolutely, Sean.
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But is that the part of the track you want to play?
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Let's hear Moon Palace and just a little bit of the doo-wop.
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Okay.
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All right, let's hear it.
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What is it don't understand?
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Okay, I'm excited because uh here's the thing, Sean.
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I'd made a note about this one.
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I seem to have a thing about animals because I thought it was meow, meow, meow, meow.
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And then if you remember Kevin Morby, I thought it was dogs barking on the one side.
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But it's hey, hey, and it's meah, meow.
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But I like my version.
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You like your mongrene?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I like to think it's meow, meow, meow.
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You be you.
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Yeah, as long as it makes you happy.
00:20:46.559 --> 00:20:47.519
I talked to Kevin Morby.
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He said it is dogs barking.
00:20:49.279 --> 00:20:50.799
Okay, well, I stand correct.
00:20:51.039 --> 00:20:51.759
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Anyway, no, it's a nice song.
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It's so like that whole.
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And the I remember in Lee's Palace, they were in meow or meowing, and uh the whole crowd went quiet and they stopped meowing, and everybody was quiet, and they said, Look at all the polite Canadians.
00:21:10.640 --> 00:21:12.720
I remember that distinctly, yes.
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On brand for sure.
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On brand.
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We don't know when to clap when the song finishes.
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Yeah.
00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:21.680
Okay, so Pop Tent is not on my streaming service.
00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:23.279
A lot of good songs on that.
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I would play that.
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I put one of the greatest hits on our list.
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But let's go now in '97 to 2004.
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They kind of dropped off Electra Records.
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They went to a more independent records jet set, and they released three albums: The Days of Our Nights, Romantica, and Rendezvous.
00:21:43.359 --> 00:21:53.039
So I'll stop talking about producers and the sense of time and great detail, but these albums feature a guy from Mercury Rev and a guy who worked on slanted energy.
00:21:53.440 --> 00:21:53.759
Whoa.
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That's pavement, people.
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So yes.
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So these are good songs, they're great.
00:21:58.799 --> 00:22:04.079
They have a uh Uh a song called Renee Is Crying and a song called Swedish Fish.
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Is it Renee with two E's?
00:22:05.680 --> 00:22:07.039
It's always Renee with two E's.
00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:10.319
Uh it's always three E's, yes, yeah.
00:22:10.400 --> 00:22:11.119
You've got two E's.
00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:12.319
What's wrong with two E's?
00:22:13.359 --> 00:22:17.519
So maybe that's where Parquet Courts got their songs, or at least their titles.
00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:40.319
And again, they kept putting out uh EPs, so uh I want to go in terms of the deep cut because I had the EP that went along with Romantica, and Romantica featured a lighter on the front cover, and their following EP was called Close Cover Before Striking.
00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:40.960
Oh, nice.
00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:43.279
So for younger listeners, yeah.
00:22:43.440 --> 00:22:45.839
That was the safety advice on a pack of matches.
00:22:46.000 --> 00:22:46.240
Yeah.
00:22:46.480 --> 00:22:47.759
So the kind of it was.
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Can you even get a pack of matches anymore?
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Like a standard restaurant pack of matches?
00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:53.119
I don't think so.
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I don't think so.
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I was I went to I went to a uh a wedding for the first time in a long time, and they didn't give out matches, they gave out pottery.
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My god.
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Yeah, what's the world coming to Sean?
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How times change?
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Come on now.
00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:12.799
So let's play, I think, my third favorite song about astronauts.
00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:14.240
Let's play Astronaut.
00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:15.839
All right, let's hear it.
00:24:34.960 --> 00:24:40.000
Okay, another pretty song, but more importantly, Sean, what are those other two astronaut songs?
00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:42.240
And before you answer, I think one of them is from the National.
00:24:42.559 --> 00:24:44.880
Yes, we're looking for astronauts.
00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:48.480
The alligator, that's that is gonna be my favorite astronaut song.
00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:49.440
What's the other one?
00:24:49.599 --> 00:24:54.400
Well, then it's debatable because they're the Nekons have a great song about astronauts.
00:24:54.640 --> 00:25:02.400
The Long Winters have a song about the boys and girls and cars and astronauts.
00:25:02.480 --> 00:25:07.759
So maybe after the first one, all the astronauts are all pretty good songs.
00:25:08.079 --> 00:25:10.240
Yeah, but I mean I the national for sure.
00:25:10.400 --> 00:25:10.640
Yeah, yeah.
00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:11.359
Way up there.
00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:12.960
That is a good yeah.
00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:22.720
Okay, so that EP also has covers of Waiting on a Friend and your favorite Alice Cooper, only Women Bleed.
00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:25.680
Okay, well, not my favorite, but yeah.
00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:28.079
It's you know what?
00:25:28.160 --> 00:25:40.000
I we we joked about it on the last episode, but it's actually a nice song, and it's a really sensitive song about abuse and uh raising issues, and uh, you know, and uh agree.
00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:41.519
I just think it has better ballads.
00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:44.480
We could do a whole episode on Alice Cooper except we can't.
00:25:44.720 --> 00:25:45.200
Except we can't.
00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:45.920
Yeah, we're not gonna.
00:25:46.559 --> 00:25:48.400
Yeah, it violates our own internal rules.
00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:49.279
That's right.
00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:59.440
Okay, so they broke up after uh they figured everything was done after rendezvous, and he called it quits with Luna.
00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:07.279
But Phillips, so he had asked what was originally gonna be a Wareham solo project.
00:26:07.359 --> 00:26:14.720
He got Phillips to do some demos, and the story goes he liked the demo so much he asked her to join the band.
00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:21.039
And that was their first like duo uh called La Ventura.
00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:23.680
But now I gotta go back to talk about producers.
00:26:24.079 --> 00:26:29.440
Okay, I'm you know, so you should know this guy, Tony Visconti.
00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:31.200
Oh yeah, yeah, for sure.
00:26:31.519 --> 00:26:34.720
So he produced their first little EP, right?
00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:41.279
So for listeners, Tony Visconti produced like all of the great T-Rex albums.
00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:48.240
We talked about him on our episode on Sparks because he produced Indiscreet, he produced Piggy Pop The Stranglers.
00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:50.000
Yeah, he's all over the place, eh?
00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:56.960
And some other artist, David Bowie, he produced all of those great Bowie albums in the 70s as well.
00:26:57.200 --> 00:26:57.759
Oh, did he?
00:26:57.839 --> 00:26:59.039
Oh shit, I should have known that.
00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:00.400
100% should have known that.
00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:01.359
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:08.000
So uh they continued on Jet Sets, it was originally under Britta Phillips and Dean Wareham.
00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:11.920
And so here's a bit of a deep cut that you may not know this.
00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:14.559
But Peter Kembler.
00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:15.519
Is that a name?
00:27:15.759 --> 00:27:25.359
No, aka Sonic Boom, founding member, vocalist guitarist of the neopsychedelic band Spaceman Three.
00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:28.079
I remember you loving Spaceman Three back in the day.
00:27:28.160 --> 00:27:28.880
Am I mistaken?
00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:31.440
I might be hallucinating, you might be hallucinating.
00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:33.599
Maybe we're both AI, I don't know.
00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:40.400
Okay, well, I'm gonna have to go start to listen to Spaceman Three again because maybe it was me who loved Space 3.
00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:43.119
But I was Mojave 3.
00:27:43.440 --> 00:27:46.000
You definitely introduced me to Mojave 3, I remember that.
00:27:46.240 --> 00:28:00.079
Okay, so um he liked the the that first record by Dean and British so much that he produced a an LP called Sonic Souvenirs, which was just a whole remix of that.
00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:04.240
Oh yeah, I gotta also mention Spaceman 3 took me off.
00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:06.400
He also produced Beast House album seven.
00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:07.440
Whoa, cool.
00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:09.839
He worked with some guy named Kevin Shields.
00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:13.359
Jesus and Pat Fish of The Jazz Butcher.
00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:14.000
Wow.
00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:14.799
Wow, yeah.
00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:15.759
So he gets around.
00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:17.279
Yeah, this guy Kempler gets around.
00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:20.240
And apparently ageless or something, or some sort of vampire.
00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:25.440
He sucks, he sucks the life out of all of the people he produces.
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:26.799
And you said T-Rex, right?
00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:28.319
Like that's no, that was Visconti.
00:28:28.799 --> 00:28:30.880
Oh no, I confused the two, okay?
00:28:31.039 --> 00:28:31.440
Never mind.
00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:31.920
Yeah.
00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:44.640
Okay, so again, I won't play it because this is a Luna episode, but that Dean and Brita took the dream pop even further, and I put a couple of the songs on there.
00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:48.880
On the Sonic Souvenirs, I remember I can't find it on the souvenir on the streaming service.
00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:51.279
They did a remix of ginger snaps.
00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:56.240
The original's pretty good, but again, the the remix just is even more spacey and beautiful.
00:28:56.400 --> 00:29:00.559
But yeah, listeners, give yourself the rhyming couplets of ginger snaps.
00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:03.599
Can we can't we just cheat and hear you turn my head around?
00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:04.640
Because I really like that one.
00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:06.000
Oh, isn't that a pretty song?
00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:09.680
You could put that on your playlist, on your total playlist.
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:10.480
Yeah.
00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:10.880
Yeah.
00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:12.880
Do you want to hear just a little bit?
00:29:13.119 --> 00:29:13.440
Okay.
00:29:13.599 --> 00:29:14.880
All right, let's do it.
00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:19.920
Let's do it and watch the sweet smile.
00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:48.319
My eyes were flying you too.
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:46.960
I said I never killed me.
00:30:58.960 --> 00:31:03.599
Yeah, that chorus break or pre-chorus breakout is just amazing.
00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:06.720
Obviously, it gives Bjork like big time, right?
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:09.440
Like, but it is absolutely incredible.
00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:13.119
Does she do a lot of that, or is it that a very unique song for her?
00:31:13.599 --> 00:31:19.759
She sings most like more than 50% in my recollection of those Dean and Britta songs.
00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:21.599
And yeah, she's got an amazing voice.
00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:22.240
Nice.
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:25.680
Now it makes makes me want to go see what the gem cartoons.
00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:26.799
Watch them on YouTube.
00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:32.640
Okay, so that's Wareham's main outlet right now.
00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:35.839
They have done film scores, The Squid and the Whale.
00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:37.519
Um that's a great movie.
00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:38.799
I knew you'd like that.
00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:43.759
They've done promoting documentary films of their own tour, right?
00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:46.319
Their uh their farewell tour back in the day.
00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:55.839
And in their recording of their record Back Numbers, which is also produced by Visconti, they got married.
00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:57.119
Oh wow.
00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:01.279
Yeah, so that's kind of a cute thing, yes.
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:10.559
And and they continue to collaborate, and Wareham released an album last year that to great critical acclaim, and they play together.
00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:12.079
They are a nice team.
00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:12.559
Yeah.
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:18.559
So in 2015, Luna reunited.
00:32:18.880 --> 00:32:29.440
And so I remember, I can't, I don't recall who I went and saw this show, but I distinctly remember seeing them in October of 2015 at the Dan Forth Music Hall.
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:32.720
And I was so happy to be, oh, I get to see Luna again.
00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:34.799
Was it crowded or it was busy?
00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:35.759
It was busy, yeah.
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:37.920
It holds like 800 somewhere.
00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:39.119
Yeah, a thousand, maybe.
00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:41.599
Yeah, and it was but it was a great show.
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:48.880
I remember go, you know, singing all the good songs and being really, really happy after seeing them again and thinking, okay, that's great.
00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:58.000
They released as part of their reunion, they released a full album of covers called A Sentimental Education.
00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:06.880
And they also released a fully instrumental album called A Place of Greater Safety.
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Is it ambient music?
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It is.
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I think you'd like it.
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Um yeah, I mean, I put one of the songs on the playlist.
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But yeah, take check that out.
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Like it's uh it isn't totally speculated.
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Is it more like a feel good lost, like broken social scene, feel good lost?
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Yeah, it's more upbeat, but like uh it's no Godspeed you black emperor, right, right spaced out stuff.
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But yeah, it's it's nice.
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Uh Wareham says on Luna, they're a band who plays their classic material, occasionally record covers, tours because they enjoy it, and does not feel the pressure to make new Luna albums.
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So that's fine, right?
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But he's left the door open if the right songs somehow appear and he feels that they're uh a Luna songs.
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Luna songs, but you know, he's uh it's great.
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And and I think he's taken this elder statesman type role within this indie pop, you know, uh we keep saying the songs are beautiful.
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But I think he's got a great place, he's very very well respected by people who know there.
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And I think it's great that they're touring.
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Again, another thing about regretting now that the they played, we should follow these bands, and when we can go travel to certain places in the world again, that'll be great.
00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:36.159
Because they just played a uh a show in New York and they were joined by Steve Wynne from The Dream Syndicate, that song that I played, you know, highlighted in their first thing.
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And uh yeah, they had a great time, and just so you know, indie rock darlings who are still rocking out and they still they're still actively playing.
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So I'm excited, really excited to see them when they come back.
00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:50.880
I'm excited for you, bud.
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Yeah, so let's play one of the covers from Sentimental Education.
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Let's play Car Wash Hair.
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Now, do you remember that song back in the day?
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I enjoyed this song, so I didn't even know it was a cover, and I enjoyed the song quite a bit.
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Like, I like that song, it's good.
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It's so crazy.
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:10.639
Yeah, so let's hear it.
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Number two is gonna make a few.
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Okay.
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Mercury Rev being a band from upstate New York.
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And yeah, I mean, I don't know what car wash hair is, but I want to rub my hands through it as well.
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It's such a beautiful, haunting song.
00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:52.159
Yeah, like that that CD from that came back and from back in the day.
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We I played that a lot at the cottage.
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So, and there's a whole bunch more.
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Check out the uh the the tracks.
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I have I'm surprised you're not talking about the I'm so bored with the USA cover that they do.
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Yeah, dude, I'm such a clash fan, so that was a bit problematic for me because I didn't that's not my favorite Luna song or Brita and Dean and Britta song either, but I love that they made it their own.
00:37:18.079 --> 00:37:21.920
I mean their own and you can understand all of the lyrics.
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:23.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, Joe Strummer sang it back in the day.
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Yeah, yeah.
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That was from the quarantine tapes, where I guess they were bored and just recording stuff at home.
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So yeah, good for them.
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:39.519
They just, you know, they come back and keep going, and that's wonderful.
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:39.840
Yeah.
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Okay.
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Why are they an airshifter band, Renee?
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I mean, I think they were pioneers, right?
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Like they literally were, if not started a very early start on the whole dream pop genre, right?
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So I'd say they're 100% an earshifter band, and they have 170,000 monthly listeners, which clearly they deserve way more than that.
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I think so.
00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:09.519
I think that so I think he's a connector to all of our earshifter bands, right?
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His influences and his influence is way less than the fabled sixth degree of separation.
00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:33.760
I think if most, if not all, the bands we feature or likely to feature in the future are gonna have some connection to a producer, to a somebody that the cover they've done, that there's something that he's really that that kind of um, you know, and people write about him, right?
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:35.199
And people write about the bands.
00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:47.440
For example, I remember you mentioned on our Neutral Milk Hotel episode that the Neutral Milk Hotel song Naomi was written about the Galaxy 500 bassist, Naomi Yang, right?
00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:50.719
So there it's just his little bit of in the Zekeist.
00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:51.920
Yeah, good point.
00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:57.599
Uh I think he also wear him paints these pictures, creates these little vignettes, right?
00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:15.519
I mean, his lyrics are great, but they're not stories, they're not telling you about the characters, they're not in a character development sense, they're more painting a picture in situations of what the characters are in and the feelings of the characters that I really like, right?
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:20.000
And I think his use of the doo-wops is unparalleled, right?
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I mean, Lou Reed loved doo-wop, and Jonathan Richmond, who loved Lou Reed, did a whole bunch of doo-wops in his songs, and I can remember listening to those Jonathan Richmond albums after The Modern Lovers going, How did he come up with all these nonsense words that sound so great in the song?
00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:43.519
And I think Wareham has done that better than those guys.
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But it made me think I remember reading this article, and I did I didn't go back and re-reread it, but I convinced myself that it did exist in Harper's magazine.
00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:54.559
Do you remember if you remember Harper's?
00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:56.079
I still read Harper's.
00:39:56.159 --> 00:39:56.960
Harper's is great.
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I love it.
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It's and I get it in a tangible physical copy, and it makes me happy to read it.
00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:08.239
So back in the late tens, it was an article by this guy named Dave Samuels.
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I looked it up, and it was called Underachievers, Please Try Harder.
00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:14.000
I've heard of that.
00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:18.800
Well, I think that's the Underachievers something is a camera obscura title.
00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:25.519
I don't think they say please try harder, but it's it's there's something about underachievers and cameras obscura.
00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:26.079
Yeah.
00:40:26.480 --> 00:40:34.320
And so the the point of this, he's basically he talks about Wareham getting invited to curate this rock show in England.
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:40.960
I think it was All Tomorrow's Parties, where it was like a they have bring the curator gets to pick all the bands, it would be pretty cool.
00:40:41.280 --> 00:41:00.960
And he's like, he says that Wareham is the patron saint of elegant underachievement, a guy who proved you can make perfect art without pretending you want to be a winner, which I think is kind of a nice, like, you know, he's like, I'm just gonna bring back Luna because it feels good, and I'm gonna tour, and I'm so excited about Luna.
00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:02.000
He's doing his thing.
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:06.159
You know, it's uh it's a a a smallness, a deliberate smallness.
00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:13.119
And I think one of the quotes that I remember reading, I think it was Rolling Stone, called them the best band you have never heard of.
00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:14.559
That's a good question.
00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:20.960
And so I think that's why they're an air shifter band, and that's our mission to change that, Renee.
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:23.679
We've got to get more people listening to Luna.
00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:24.719
Exactly.
00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:27.679
So listen, people please.
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:29.199
Yeah, please, please.
00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:31.920
Uh okay, well, that's a wrap.
00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:33.840
What are we gonna hear next time, Renee?
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:34.880
We're gonna go Canadian.
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We're gonna listen and talk about a Canadian band that was not a supergroup when they started, but had so many offshoots and little projects that those same members literally transformed into the supergroup, which was the same members, but because they all did these offshoots and projects and then came back, now they're a supergroup.
00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:00.559
I'm looking forward to hearing that one.
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:02.000
Yeah, it's gonna be good.
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Okay, until next time.
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