Warlock

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In a time of fear and suspicion.
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You choose to admit your crimes before man and God.
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His coming was foretold.
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Now he is here.
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You know the side.
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You're bewitched.
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He has the face of an angel.
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The god of the devil.
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The girl from the present.
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You know what he's capable of?
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I'm not letting harm you.
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Are the only hope for the future?
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This is a terrifying adventure that could set the world on fire warlock.
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Gentlemen, let's broaden our minds.
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Adam Warlock.
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Yeah.
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Man, are there any other good warlocks in fiction?
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Well, there's warlock in Marvel as well.
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There's the techno warlock, the mutant.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, there's that warlock in there, but there's also Adam Warlock.
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Yeah, right.
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Yeah, the two warlocks.
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The two warlocks.
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The two Marvel Warlocks.
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Did they ever meet?
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I can't think of them meeting.
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I don't know, maybe during the Infinity saga.
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I don't know.
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That's literally the only thing I was thinking of.
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I I I feel like that was before the phalanx.
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I don't know.
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Ah, who knows?
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Douglas Warlock?
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What does the computer say?
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Douglas Ramsey, aka Warlock.
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Uh well New Year's 99 was in what, 1991 or so?
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1990?
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That's when uh Rob Liefeld took over and became X Force after that.
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So that would have been so 60 would have been at least three, four years before that.
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New Union 60 was 87.
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87.
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Okay.
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And the Infinity Saga was like 91.
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That sounds accurate.
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If we're using earthly numbers.
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If we're using the Julian calendar.
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The Julian Sands calendar?
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Yes, the Julian Sands calendar, exactly.
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It's a countdown to evil.
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Alright, well, welcome back to Dispatch Ajax.
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I'm Skip.
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I'm Jake.
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True.
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We are in our Spooktober.
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And I wanted to cover a franchise that I just don't think gets much love.
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I think it deserves it.
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And that particular franchise is the Warlock films.
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Mm-hmm.
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What makes Warlock so memorable and worth talking about?
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For me, I grew up watching at least the first Warlock film.
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I thought it was great fun as a kid.
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I'm sure I watched it way too young.
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I don't know if a seven or eight-year-old needs to be watching the Warlock film, but you know, latchkey kids and whatnot.
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So I think the Warlock character is a sinister malevolence on par with a Freddy, a leprechaun, a wishmaster, but with a steely elitism and a raw sexuality.
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Yeah, I was thinking Wishmaster a lot too.
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Yeah.
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I think it also took on the role of an evil magic practitioner and a male witch, something that wasn't seen or explored much and still hasn't been to this day.
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The character also didn't really rely on puns or necessarily gruesomeness, but his deeds were just as foul and horrific as any of his cohorts.
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It wasn't clever wordplay or whatever, or you know, trickery like in uh Wishmaster, or even Leprechaun to that extent.
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But it is a compelling character, and he really is in that very strange pantheon that existed in this particular period of time.
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Not the slasher genre, but the supernatural Hellraiser, Leprechaun, Wishmaster, sort of second wave of but for lack of a better term, new wave monsters.
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Post-hammer horror.
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Yeah, and then I think also it uh maybe a third generation, because I feel like you had, you know, Freddie Krueger, Jason, Michael Myers, these icons, and then you kind of had a second wave with your penhead, um, your wishmaster, your leprechaun.
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But for some reason, Warlock is just left out of that.
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Those are the tail end of that.
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Well, technically not.
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Uh, we'll get into that.
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Hmm.
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I think another reason that it should be talked about is Julian Sands.
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I think he is a stunning presence in this film, and pretty much in general.
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He has this posh accent, this seductive face, a lithe figure, dashing straight blonde hair, and he's just damn sexy.
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Especially in this film, he's kind of like an evil sting.
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So sting.
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And I think it made for an engaging evil presence on the film.
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I always thought that Julian Sands was meant for more, and especially when they were casting the Harry Potter films, I had envisioned him as the perfect actor to play Malfoy's father.
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Oh yeah, I can see it.
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But they went in a different direction.
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The slick black blonde hair and uh yeah, I can see it.
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Yeah, and just that that elite persona he has, his way of using Shakespearean dialogue, I just thought would have really worked.
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And just would have been a natural fit.
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But you know, fan casting and whatnot.
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Yeah, I feel like his character is a little bit of uh rejection of sort of like old British uh aristocratic elitism.
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And I know I know this is mostly through an American lens, so that takes away from that commentary a little bit and makes it a little bit more two-dimensional, but like I feel like his character is sort of a commentary on that, the sort of death of the old guard, the old British elitist guard like post-World War II into the modern era.
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But I also think it has that underlying kind of automatic antagonism.
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It's the same thing that they did with Star Wars by casting all of the Empire elites as British actors, and so like there's a certain aristocratic air that's automatically put to them, and we automatically kind of see envision them as the bad guys, the others, because they're not American.
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Interestingly enough, though, Vader chalks out the American one.
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Maybe that says something.
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Yeah, exactly.
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I also think that this film it delves into the witch lore in a different, unique, and fascinating way.
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A lot of the stuff that they had on screen that felt lived in and examples from a legitimate past.
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Things like things they use in this film, especially in the first film, there are the pennies in the mouth, the binding of the toes to the thumbs.
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That was so bizarre.
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It's so especially in the commentary.
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The director talks about they do that because the magic needs like a circuit to pass through, and by binding the toes to the big toe to the thumbs, doesn't allow the circuit to connect and they can't use the magic.
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That's science.
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Yeah.
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Well, I mean, it's science from 1600, you know.
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Yeah, that's about right.
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I think also things that you don't see in other films using the nails on the footsteps left by the warlock to hurt him, or using the boiled fat of an unbaptized male child for a flight potion.
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The the salt.
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Martha Stewart, I think, has a recipe for that.
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Oh, well, it's pretty good.
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It's not as good as Gianna De Laurentis, but you know.
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You like watching her eat it during her show.
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Oh, oh, I certainly do.
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Those close-ups.
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You render that kid.
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He also has this ectoplasm that he uses.
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I think it doesn't always look the best because it's it's late 80s graphics, it's pre-CGI, but I also think it looks interesting.
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It's kind of like fire, but also a liquid.
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It's just something that I can't think of another bad guy who uses something like that.
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And it's very distinct for this film.
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Yeah, and it's pretty evocative.
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I also don't know many horror icons that wear pinky rings either.
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Yeah.
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Which is a plot point.
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I think it's something that they should always wear personally.
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I'd love Freddie to have one of those.
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How would you even get that on there?
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I I don't want to know.
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You know?
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It's like I don't want to know where the glove comes from.
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He just has this fucked up claw glove, you know?
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Yeah, it's true.
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He's a thing of nightmares.
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You don't need to know all the logistics necessarily.
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Exactly.
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I think Sans stuck out in my mind, but never got the wider reckoning she deserved.
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Perhaps because the production company that was making this film folded and the film was iced from a theatrical run, only finding notoriety of any sort on VHS shelves.
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Yep.
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The story and setting at the time were misunderstood, compared heavily in reviews to Terminator or Highlander.
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One because they're uh there's uh time travelers who are chasing each other in our time, or a person from the medieval past brought to modern day.
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Again, just surface level comparisons that don't hold any more weight, but I feel like they brought the film down because people were expecting one thing and got something different, or the connections didn't quite land.
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Uh, to me, it feels more akin to something like wax work in that sense than it does those movies.
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Was it Waxwork 2 or whatever?
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Whichever one did they travel in time?
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Yeah, in fact, we'll encounter Waxwork 2 in the near future.
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But I I think those similarities should have been comparison points and pointed at something different and should have been viewed more as a boon, but not a bane.
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Right.
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But unfortunately, it just didn't get the recognition, the release, or the love.
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It was part of the final slate of pictures for New World, uh, much like Dolph Lundgren's Punisher.
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It was in that last round before New World folded.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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At the time, New World Pictures changed its name to New World Entertainment to better reflect its range of subsidiaries besides the film studio, including its purchase of Marvel Comics.
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Oh boy, was that weird.
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And partner Harry Sloan said that it would more accurately reflect the business that the company is in.
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That year of '87, New World almost purchased two tour companies of Kenner, Parker Toys, and Mitchell, but both planned acquisitions never materialized.
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Then quickly thereafter, what a weird world that'd have been.
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Marvel Entertainment Group was sold to Andrew's Group on January 6, 1989, and Marvel Productions was excluded from the sale.
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Then, after a failed bid from Path Communications, New World was sold to Andrew's Group in April of '89.
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And then New World's television operations would continue, but their motion picture and home video activity would be cut back, and then eventually scrapped entirely, and it went into chapter 11 and was shut down in 1990.
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God, so fast.
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But thankfully, some of that stuff would be sold to Sony Pictures, who used the assets to relaunch TriStar television, and that would allow for things like Santa Barbara and the Wonder Years to be made on the ashes of New World's Back.
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Well, at least we got that.
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Yay us.
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Santa Barbara, Jesus Christ.
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That's a deep cut soap opera.
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Yeah.
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That's why I thought you'd like that.
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No, I've seen it.
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I just thought it was older than that.
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So Warlock from 1999 was written by David Tuohee, who first did Critters 2, but later wrote The Fugitive, which I believe was nominated for, if not one, uh an Oscar for screenplay.
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Is that movie the best adaptation of an old property other than Mission Impossible?
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Is the Fugitive the best adaptation of an old TV show property from?
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Ooh, man.
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Uh and I'm not gonna count Star Trek, the Abramstone.
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That doesn't count.
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I'm gonna guess yes.
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I can't think of anything that was that generally regarded, even more so than the original show.
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Yeah.
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Great movie.
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I think you're right about that.
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Anyway.
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And uh I was wrong.
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It wasn't nominated for an Oscar, but it did win many awards.
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But David Tohe later went on to write and direct The Arrival with Charlie Sheen.
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Oh boy.
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Interesting alien invasion film.
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Charlie Sheen and his goatee, who's second build.
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And his beard yet.
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His goatee is right below.
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Tohe would also do Pitch Black and all of its sequels.
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Huh.
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Yeah, he would write and direct all of those.
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Are you jumping to the Riddick movies?
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Yeah.
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Oh, okay.
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Well, first when you said Pitch Black and its sequels, I was like, wait, am I thinking of the wrong film?
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Because I keep thinking, is there a Pitch Black 2?
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No, that's not right.
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Those Riddick movies get more and more absurd as they try to be Dune so hard.
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At least the second one had some fun ideas.
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It's a bit of a mess.
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The third one is just a rehashing of Pitch Black.
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Yeah, they will try to go back to their source.
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And it's all just kind of stealing from Dune anyway.
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Pitch Black's the only one that's kind of like feels wholly original.
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If I remember correctly, Dave Otwoke was pitching a sequel for aliens as part of the franchise.
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They did not bite on that, so he's like, fuck it, I'll make my own.
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And indeed he did and made pitch black and thus created that.
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I could have made a good alien movie, but it would have been kind of a little just like a chapter in the alien saga and wouldn't have stood out on its own.
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No, I think pitch black works as its own thing, but I definitely see its inspiration.
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I mean, it's you know, xenomorph on a planet with one badass dude, criminal, blah blah blah.
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I think it works.
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It's it's fun.
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Pitchblack's a good movie.
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I like Pitch Black for sure.
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Twohe first conceived of the story kind of as a reversal of what the film originally became.
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He said he spent weeks trying to make Warlock someone who was persecuted during the witchcraze of the 17th century, and then came forward in a time and experienced much the same persecution in the present for other reasons.
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Interesting.
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But Twohe revised and refined the story to be a little more simplistic and a little more like good versus evil time travel kind of thing, mostly due to compromises and budget restrictions.
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The production company of New World, they loved the idea.
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They wanted to make it, but they needed a director, so they brought on Steve Minor, who was brought to the film ready to shoot.
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He had done previous horror with Friday the 13th, part two and three, and then the movie House, which I'm a big fan of.
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Not House 2, but House.
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No, yeah, the original House.
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Great George Wendt vehicle.
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Yes.
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Stars William Kat, Greatest American Hero.
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Yeah.
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A big influence on early superhero storytelling on screen.
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So he did House, obviously, and then the ill-conceived and worse-fated Soul Man.
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Oof.
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Where a young gent wants to get into college, but he's having trouble finding financial backing, so he decides, what if I pretend to be a black man and get scholarships via that way?
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And so he has to put on blackface and then go to college.
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Yes.
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Wolf.
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Do you really want that as your bona fides that you wrote Soul Man?
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Well, he directed it.
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He didn't write Soul Man.
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Still, you should know better.
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Yeah.
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You could have been the guy in the room that's like, should we be doing this?
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Who wrote Soul Man?
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Let's just find out real quick.
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Oh, the writer and creator of The Wonder Years.
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Holy shit.
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Really?
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Yeah, and the entirety, the writer-creator of Ellen, the TV show.
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Well, that seems oddly incongruous.
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Yeah.
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Of course, Ellen was straight in that show until she came out like way later after and then it got cancelled.
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I don't understand.
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They kind of showrunners for two big shows.
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They did some work on Growing Pains and Lori Hill.
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Oh wow.
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That's a show I haven't thought about in a long time.
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They only did one movie, Soul Man.
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Oof.
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I'm sure they got along really well with Kurt Cameron then.
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Ugh.
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How weird.
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Yeah.
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That's what Steve Minor did before Helming Warlock.
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The composer was the great Jerry Goldsmith.
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Jerry kind of nailed the blend of operatic and gothic.
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Good score to check out, especially during Halloween times.
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Did a lot of Star Trek work.
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Yeah.
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So the film opens in the 1600s in New England.
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A captured and condemned man, Julian Sands, is held in a tower, his thumbs bound to his big toe via special manacles, and he is chained to the wall.
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The tower resembles a medieval hexan term or witch tower used to imprison those that were accused or convicted of witchcraft.
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The interior of which looks like the final battle sequence between Ramirez and uh the Kurgan.
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So the elders and church folk pronounce their judgment, and tomorrow he shall be executed.
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The witch hunter that captured him, Redfern, played by Richard E.
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Grant, cast directly off of his father's turn in with Nail and I comes to visit and ensure his demise, but quickly realizes that when Julian Sands's warlock is left alone, the man is too dangerous.
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He reaches the tower only to see the warlock about to escape, with the sky darkened and the clouds menacing.
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A whirlwind erupts in the tower dungeon, Redfern lunges at him, and like that, they are both gone.
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Little side note, like the Kurgan fighting Ramirez in Highlander, apparently the script was sent to Sean Connery to possibly play Redfern, but I don't think anything progressed past him receiving the script or his agent receiving the script.
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Right.
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That was just an anecdote that I heard in interviews.
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Not enough money.
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Also, anecdote from that scene where he's getting judgment passed on him.
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The I don't know, elder cleric or whatever that is passing down the verdict is played by the actor who was in the Seinfeld episode where Kramer was going to convert to Latvian Orthodox.
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Yeah.
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Which I thought was really funny because he's standing next to, yet again, Mr.
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Pitt.
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That actor has come up so many times.
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I'd say at least three or four episodes we've talked about recently, he's come up.
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Like a bad penny.
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Oh boy.
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What's a penny worth?
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I don't know, Alfred.
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You tell me.
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Yeah.
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I don't know where we were going with that.
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Next, we are in late 80s, California.
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The warlock crashes through the window of a home inhabited by a benevolent owner and has taken in roommate Cassandra, played by Lori Singer, who is the co-star of Footloose.
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One of big at the time.
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She had a moment.
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The warlo not much past this, but you know.
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The warlock is then nursed back to health while Cassandra is at work.
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The warlock, now cognizant of the times that he is set in, sets out on his wickedness after attacking the owner, slicing off his finger for the ring that he bore, and then going in for a kiss, but in actuality, this is a kiss of death, and he is biting off his tongue and killing the man.
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And spits it directly into a skillet that has been heating so that they cook dinner.
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That's hot tongue.
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Yeah.
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Hot tongue action.
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It's really bisexually charged in that scene.
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Oh yeah.
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Yeah, which there is a slathered sensuality with Julian Sand's warlock character.
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I think throughout the whole film, but I like that he is this sexually ambiguous figure.
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Oh yeah.
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Especially in this scene.
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Even though it kind of sucks because they always portray in this era at least bisexual figures as villains.
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It's always like that would last way longer than you would think, unfortunately.
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Fuck, it even showed up as Harvey and Bardem's villain character in Skyfall.
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It's like if they're bisexual, they must be evil or corrupted in some way.
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Come on.
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Yeah.
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There's a lack of purity there.
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Yeah, and a deviousness as well.
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Yeah.
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Now Cassandra is reached at work by the police.
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She's informed of her friend's death, but is met with incompetence and homophobia from the police, as they think it must have been a jealous lover of the deceased who brought forth his demise.
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Right.
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Again, a sign of the times.
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And because the victim may have been more than just straight beer swelling wrestling fan from the late 80s.
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Like the beginning of Highlander.
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Just like the beginning of Highlander.
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Yeah, but because he has a possibly different sexuality than the victim brought it upon himself, or we don't really need to put forth any effort.
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Yeah, it's his gay lover, obviously, or whatever.
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Yeah, great.
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Mostly because he has a ponytail and a shitty little one at that.
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During this time, the warlock then goes to a psychic.
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She says she can channel someone for him.
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Uh she puts on a show, but it is obviously a fraud, and he sees right through it.
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But due to the warlock's influence, she is then truly taken over by a demon who sets out the stakes of the film and the path for the warlock.
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He must find the separated and lost parts of the Grand Grimoire, Satan's Bible, which once reconstituted can provide the name of God.
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When spoken backwards, will thus unmake all of creation.
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Wow, so you've got Mr.
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Mixaplex and the anti-life equation at the same stroke.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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Somebody read comic books as a kid.
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Hey, when it works, it works.
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When in doubt, steal from Jack Kirby.
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That is Yep.
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Mm-hmm.
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So the Warlock tears her eyeballs out to be used as compasses for the grimoire, which in a deleted scene were to emerge from her nipples.
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Oh, of course.
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The warlock then smashed her into glass to then pick out.
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Fair enough.
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It was shot a bit of and shown, at least in a rough cut, to some people, and they thought it was ridiculous and unnecessary and thus cut.
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Especially when she utters the line, hey, my eyes are down here.
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But sometimes the making of a Uh, just as much about what is left out than what's left in.
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Yeah, what's unsaid.
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Now those same supposed nipple eyeballs lead him back to Cassandra's house.
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The warlock finds a bit of the book that he's searching for, stashed in an antique table, but Cassandra is there, and after a scuffle, the warlock steals her charm bracelet and curses her.
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Tout, tout, through and about.
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Your callow life in dismay.
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Rentum oxculum tormentum a decade, twice over a day.
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Thus forcing her to age twenty years every day.
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I kind of liked this uh Rumpel Stiltskin-esque Wiccan curse.
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Yeah, they're playing into the witch's gothic kind of vibe.
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Can I offer an alternative name for the eyeballs?
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Eye boobs.
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I'm just gonna put that out there.
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It was right there, just waiting to be fondled.
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That's all I had.
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Now this is when Redfern also brought to the future using his witch compass to find where he had just left, where the warlock had just left, and he meets Cassandra.
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His Voyager's watch or whatever.
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Yeah.
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Which looks pretty cool.
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It does look pretty cool.
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Yeah, I wouldn't mind having that on my uh coffee table or something.
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Yeah, that'd be pretty easy to conversation piece.
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So he meets Cassandra with a K.
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They team up so that he can get the warlock and she can regain her bracelet, thus breaking the spell.
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But they had to do it before she dies of old age.
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Oh no!
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And her hair grew really long overnight.
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Wow, it's 20 years worth, you know.
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She was holding up, but the hair was just like out of control.
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We can handle a few wrinkles.
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She's only like in her 40s after the first night, so.
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You put a half share spell on her.
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Does she believe in life after warlocks?
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Probably.
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Now we get some reverse Kyle Reese here as Redfern and Cassandra chase the warlock.
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Yes.
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Redfern takes the future in stride pretty well, focus solely on finding the bewitching evildoer.
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We learn that he is a witch hunter and that the warlock seems responsible for the murder of his beloved, while Cassandra is clumsily falling for him on their travels.
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This moment is where, like, oh, I see the Terminator thing.
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Okay.
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Because at first it didn't really ring with me, and then I saw the they do a total of reverse Kyle Reese.
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Yeah.
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I'm like, okay, I see it now.
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It's not a bad trope.
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It totally works within the scope and realm of this story.
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I think it's a little unnecessary to cut the legs out from the film because it has similarities.
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Right.
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But you know.
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When they're on their road and they they go to that gas station, that's a trope.
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We saw it in Sundown.
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The weird confrontation in the middle of the desert.
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The like strange confrontation where you pull over, you need gas, and either the attendant is weirded out or is the weird one, and you have it out with your cohort about whatever the tension is in the plot.
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Strangely, this exact same trope will come up again in the sequel.
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That's hilarious.
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I mean, they basically do that in Thelma and Louise as well.
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This is a tried and true trope.
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Yeah.
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The middle of the American Southwest Desert or California.
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Weird confrontation slash this is the break in which we have it out with the tension or whatever over this long drive, specifically in the middle of the nowhere gas station.
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Yeah.
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The gold old gas pump confrontation.
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Yeah, it's true.
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And I think a lot of that is because, from an American perspective, it's because like if you're driving through that area, they warn you that you don't get gas, you have to get gas now, otherwise you're stranded in the desert, and there's not going to be much in between.
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And so I feel like there's this American specific anxiety to that, that when you're going on these road trip trope events in movies like this, like it feels intuitive.
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I don't know that they necessarily the writers in movies like this that use this trope don't necessarily do it consciously.
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I think it's just something where the writers feel like that's the moment where they can finally break the tension or unveil the tension and have the confrontation.
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Because if you're worried about getting gas on your long especially if it's like an escape road trip, you're running from something, then this is your only chance.
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A, you might get caught and B, if you don't do this now.
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You've been worried about running out of gas, possibly.
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Thank God we found this place in the middle of nowhere.
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There's a little bit of that as well in Texas with the the whole Texas Chainsaw Massacre thing where they go to the gas station slash convenience store or whatever.
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But I think there's something to that.
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Yeah.
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It's a quite often reused trope, and I think it's viable and most of the places it's used.
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Yeah, and there's something about the vastness of America that you can drive for days and not reach your destination as opposed to France or England, Belgium or something.
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You know, it's a different scope of size that we have here.
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And different trains, especially since it weighs heavily on people who are from the Midwest or the East Coast where they don't understand that this vastest is out there and there are no conveniences, it'll be 150 miles between towns, between gas stations, and you're literally in one of the most arid deserts in the world.
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And that sort of desperation.
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It's already always in our collective subconscious.
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True.
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Now, Redfern and Cassandra are making good time.
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That is until Warlock happens upon a young boy, and through his murder and ingestion of his boiled-down fat, gains the ability to fly, which is demonstrated in a fairly unique visual style.
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As the warlock is crouched, his body turned for his shoulder to be faced forward, and his arm bent in an almost dab to pierce the wind, and he flies fast with a low hover above the ground.
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Interesting way, you don't see anybody else travel like that.
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This is not a Superman flight.
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It's completely different, and I think it feels fresh.
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I will just give it props for that.
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It feels more like something that would have come from the old world.
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Eventually they catch him at a Mennonite's barn.
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The old grandfather of the farm recognized the signs of bewitching all about, and allows both Redfern and Cassandra to help the family.
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After grabbing more pages from there, the warlock makes to leave, but he is grounded as Redfern throws a weather vein made of cold iron at him.
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The three then attempt to bind the warlock with the same toe and thumb manacles, but the grandfather is hexed by the evil eye, and the warlock escapes on foot.
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This is where we get Cassandra using the nails on the footprints, and through some further chasing with her old age, as the warlock is about to escape a train, is able to recapture her bracelet, and returning her youth to her.
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She then comes back to Redfern, who is caring for their injured man, leaving a charm of cure in the form of suspended keys that need to be regularly turned as to heal the hex wounds.
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Interesting, superstitious remedy there.
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Cassandra makes to leave, but is compelled by Redfern as he informs her of Warlock's true plans, which are to unmake the world.
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So she's like, Alright, I guess I should probably stay in this film for a bit longer.
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Now they all travel to Boston to find the final piece of the grimoire.
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Redfern and Cassandra find a church, and the pastor tells him that it is hidden in a coffin that is buried on consecrated earth, something a warlock can never be on.
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They go to the graveyard, but due to construction in modern times, some of the coffins have been moved to new gravesites that are not on holy ground.
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The one they need, Redfern's own grave, is one of those.
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They break open his coffin and find the pages along with his dead, mummified remains.
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But they don't know it yet.
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The Warlock has arrived and forces the pastor and his wife to tell him what they know.
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Warlock then finds Redfern and Cassandra along with the pages, but Redfern has taken them to sacred ground.
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Warlock captures Cassandra and threatens her life, so Redfern challenges them to a fair fight.
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No weapons, no magic, just mono amano.
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Warlock agrees, and Cassandra is flung into a nearby bay as the two men engage in fisticuffs.
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Warlock is winning, unfortunately, so Redfern abandons his promise and throws sacred dirt into his eyes.
00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:04.720
Dirty pool.
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That gives Warlock the reason to then engage his own magics and uh shoves his fist in Redfern's mouth and fills him with creepy ectoplasm, which he then wretches out.
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But while he's doing that, Warlock wins, gains the pages, and puts together the grand grimoire.
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Once assembled, the clouds gather and lightning strikes, and as he is about to utter the name of God backwards, just like Mr.
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Mixelplicks, Cassandra jumps on him and injects him with salt water from her insulin syringes that she was carrying.
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His veins bulge and he is unable to speak, then burst to flame, eventually melting and smoldering until his last skull bit is then crushed under Redfern's heel.
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Having vanquished the warlock, Redfern thanks Cassandra, and though she leans in for a kiss, culminating the slow romance that has developed through their adventures and journey, he kisses her closed eyelids, and then he fades in a time gust of air, with a last message for her being written on his now engraved crypt.
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Ooh, time travel.
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We close with Cassandra finishing burying the Grand Grimoire in an unknown spot of the Bonneville salt flats, which are the largest salt flats in America.
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:26.880
Ah, yes.
00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:27.759
And film.
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Do you think that ectoplasm was just the fat that he drank from that little boy?
00:31:31.839 --> 00:31:35.839
Um he had the ectoplasm before then.
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So I'm sure it helped.
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:43.279
I think if you're playing the warlock video game, which did come out later and we will discuss, that's true.
00:31:43.519 --> 00:31:53.759
Maybe the more little boys you had to kill, skin, and then drink their fat boiled down, I would like to think you could do that and up your ectoplasm levels.
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No, you're thinking of Michael Jackson's Moonwalker again.
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I'm always thinking of Michael Jackson's Moonwalker.
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He boils down little boys.
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I just can't help it.
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Now, because the film began in the United States, the director Steve Minor insisted that the leads be portrayed by British actors.
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Thus, they cast Julian Sands and Richard E.
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Grant.
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But originally the director opted to cast each actor's against type by reversing their roles.
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So initially, Julian Sands was considered for the Redfern role and Richard E.
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Grant for the Warlock, but they went the other direction.
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I can see one of those working out.
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I don't see Julian Sands as Redfern.
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No, I mean Julian Sands is so devilishly the perfect warlock.
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Yeah.
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You gotta have that.
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I think it's funny when they're on that Pan M flight.
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Just walk up to the counter and buy a ticket and then get on a plane.
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And Redfern is freaking out because he's so hot.
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You've been wearing three layers of animal furs for your entire road trip through the deserts of California.
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I always assumed that it was the anxiety of being in the plane.
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Yeah, that's probably true.
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I mean, when else would he have been in a small area like that in his entire life?
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Metal tube in the sky?
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Yeah, that's freaking out.
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No matter how well he adapts to the modern world.
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I empathize with that.
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But either way.
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He doesn't take anything off the whole time.
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Just think how fermented he is under that.
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I know, and you can see the head of the mink or whatever on his shoulder the whole time.
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It's so off-putting.
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Or a turn on, depending on who you are.
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You're Ed Gean.
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The fate of the unbaptized male child was intended to be shown, but was ultimately deemed too gruesome, and so they cut that out.
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The aging makeups for Lori Singer turned out to be a disaster.
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She had horrible reactions to it, later refusing to don parts of the makeup as she got, quote, older.
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So that's why a lot of it doesn't look super great.
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Yeah.
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She said, no, I'm just not putting that stuff on.
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It's like with Buddy Epson, the from the Beverly Hillbillies was originally cast as the Tin Man, but he had these horrible reactions to the lead-based paint, and so he had to drop out of the movie, you know.
00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:07.119
Although Warlock completed in 1988 and released to other countries the following year, Warlock fell into release Limbo in the United States.
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This premiered in 1989 and May at the Cannes Film Festival.
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Yeah, I saw that.
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It was released in June in Australia and the UK, but it didn't make it to US theatrical lease till 1991 for a small little run via TriMark Pictures.
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Vidmark released Warlock on VHS in May 22 of 1991, but TriMark, who had bought the rights to the shelved the first film, had a small release and decided to utilize how well it did on VHS to make a sequel in 1993, which would actually have a real theatrical run that made its money back.
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I never said anything about I.
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Wow.
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That film is Warlock The Armageddon.
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Now, although Saiyans portrayed the same character, the son of Satan has returned.
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Anthony Hickox says, our film is a totally different story from the original Warlock.
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It's as though the original film didn't happen.
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Good.
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You can play some headcanon with the films, and you can kind of line them up to still be in the same universe, but they kind of approach it as though they are unrelated.
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It's just the same Warlock character in another film.
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Well, it's kind of like after Hellraiser 2.
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Speaking of Hellraiser 2, Hickox was the director, having done the Waxwork films.
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Yep.
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Go listen to our previous episodes on those.
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He's come up surprisingly a lot.
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He had done Hellraiser 3, again, abandoning the story from Hellraiser 1 and 2.
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Yep.
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And he did Sundown, which happens to be the last film that we just talked about.
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Did you see his other films that he did after this?
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Halloween H2O was one of his later ones.
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Yes.
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He just stuck with this.
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Well, he had a bit of a gap because he didn't have as many horror projects.
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He did some comedy and a few little dramas, but he did go back to the horror well, as did Hickocks.
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Yes.
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Going back to Tried and True, or at least previously tried.
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Well trodden.
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Yes, exactly.
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Wild Tony Hickkox.
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And it appears he was a journeyman horror director that was brought onto the project by the studio.
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Supposedly Frank Laloggia was originally intended as the director.
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He did, I think, Lady in White before this, but his ideas are apparently too expensive for the studio.
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They gave to Hickocks, who was able to shoot the whole film in 38 days.
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Jesus.
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Kevin Rock of Howling 6 fame at the time was one of the writers, along with Sam Bernard, who would go on to do a little film called Bloodsurf.
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Bloodsurfing.
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That's why we do it, babe.
00:36:55.519 --> 00:37:02.960
For the rush! Whoa! Ah, one of our favorite Saturday morning sci-fi originals, where it belongs.
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Uh eating lukewarm Chinese food as we uh tried to make our way through our hangover.
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:09.119
Damn right.
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That was when we had just moved the furniture around so that we could create a basketball court marked by masking tape in the living room.
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Hey, you gotta put in the hoop time.
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Alright, you're not getting any better without it.
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Uh it's we gotta live our hoop dreams, man.
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Well, we gotta have our hang time and live our hoop dreams.
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Sometimes the air up there.
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So we open the film.
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Ancient times, and druids are gathered around an altar as a possessed woman is about to give birth.
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Through their magical stones and craft, they prevent the birth, only to be run off and slaughtered by unknown men on horseback.
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Those men steal some of the stones, as the surviving druids flee with a couple of them.
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We then jump to present day.
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A woman prepares for her date, but is interrupted when her purple stone necklace becomes magically turned on.
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Suddenly she is thrown onto the dinner table.
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Her eyes turn white like the previous girl in the past scene, and the moon is eclipsed.
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Her stomach grows large with evil portent.
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Her legs are thrust wide, and she gives birth to a ball of veiny flesh and withered tentacles.
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It pulsates, and when her little dog goes to investigate and lick it, the dog is captured by a tentacle, killed, and flung across the room.
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The flesh ball grows, and then black icker-covered Julian Sands rises up out of the putrid mass.
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We get uh a bit of a fun and disturbing, uh, slow chase as he calls for his mummy almost in a lustful way, while she tries to slide herself uh bloodily through her apartment away from him.
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She then locks herself in the bathroom, but we see his face arising in the skylight window above the door.
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Uh he begs for a kiss from his mummy, uh, then shrieks like a baby, blowing out the windows and her eardrums.
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Uh she dies from that.
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He then takes her body and puts it on the same table that she gave birth on.
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He plunges his hand into her neck, thus reanimating it and allowing the demon uh to then set up the plot of the film.
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The demon says he must get all of the stones that we saw in the previous scene and assemble them.
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And once that happens, a solar eclipse will uh occur, and he can bring forth the devil to then take over the world.
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But all must be done within six days.
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Okay.
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He tears off a map of flesh uh from her stomach, uh, that is uh formed into the outline of America, with a bloodline coursing its length, showing him the way to each stone.
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Her date that she was preparing for arrives, and we get a guest appearance from Zack Gallaghan, yes, of Anthony Hickcock's waxwork fame.
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There you go.
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Apparently a buddy who is doing him a favor.
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And the warlock sees him and admires his black attire.
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We then see the warlock emerge from the apartment, dressed all in Zat Gallagher's black suit, and he walks across a busy street.
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He encounters a belittling taxi driver who will end up providing carriage for his journey.
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Now, while this is occurring, we find our heroes to be a lovely high school girl Samantha, played by Paula Marshall, previously in Hellraiser 3 with Hickox, and you also might know her as playing Iris West from the 1990s The Flash TV show.
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That's right, yes.
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She is being chased by boys with an overprotective father and dreams of going to Berkeley for college.
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Her counterpart, Kenny, is played by Chris Young, who starred in PCU.
00:40:56.000 --> 00:40:59.119
He was the son opposite John Candy in The Great Outdoors.
00:40:59.280 --> 00:40:59.920
Whoa, that's interesting.
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And played a boy genius in previous episode Max Headroom.
00:41:04.159 --> 00:41:05.440
Wow, there's a lot of connections there.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the actor who played Iris?
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Is she not the same one who played in the TV show Cupid, starring Jeremy Piven, who was in PCU?
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Maybe I'm conflating some stuff.
00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:20.719
Yes, she is in Cupid with Jeremy Pivin.
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Boom! Damn, we're good at this.
00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:26.559
Skip wins, dispatch Ajax Pointless Trivia.
00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:29.840
I think we both racked up a lot of wins.
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:32.400
I just won TV trivia this time.
00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:40.880
After hanging up Chris's acting tire, he went on to serve as senior vice president of the Nickelodeon Entertainment Lab.
00:41:41.119 --> 00:41:50.800
And he now runs his own business that is leading the development and production of world-class AR, VR, gaming, live action, and animation entertainment.
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Which is fascinating.
00:41:52.480 --> 00:42:14.000
He plays our young and in-love protagonists, head in the clouds, hoping to escape the town filled with persecution for his quote, satanic family and father, and with his Jim Lee X-Men comic in his back pocket and Samantha's hand in his, wow, they are the Starcrest lovers of this film, even though that is against the preacher father's wishes.
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I think the X-Men overture will play a part in this film.
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You think?
00:42:18.719 --> 00:42:19.039
Yeah.
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Now, over the course of the film, we find that Kenny's father, played by Steve Kahn, the captain in the Lethal Weapon films, with his Druid cohorts played by R.G.
00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:34.000
Armstrong, the general at the beginning of Predator, or Pruneface from Dick Tracy.
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I've seen him in a bunch of stuff.
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This is actually his last film before he passed.
00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:39.039
What do you mean, the future?
00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:39.760
Oh, okay.
00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:47.679
And another Druid friend, Charles Hallahan, who plays Norris from The Thing, whose stomach becomes a huge mouth and his head pops off.
00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:50.559
You gotta be fucking kidding.
00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:51.519
Hell yes.
00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:56.800
So they all used to be a group with the preacher, who's played by Bruce Glover, otherwise played Mr.
00:42:56.960 --> 00:43:01.199
Wint from Diamonds Are Forever, one of the best Bond villains.
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Very much so.
00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:26.559
Now perhaps the preacher was disillusioned after his wife died, but he left the group and became preacher, but they have to end up getting the old band together because the druids and their magical powers are responsible for stopping the birth of the Antichrist, or Warlock, in this case, I don't know, and his opening a portal to hell, which will let loose the devil and hell on earth.
00:43:26.719 --> 00:43:31.199
They find out that this is happening, and they have six days to prepare to stop the warlock.
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Now they know they can't stop him, but he can be killed with the ceremonial magical knife in their possession, and they hold two of the last stones that the warlock needs, so he will be coming to them.
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But they have to prepare those destined to fight him, the kids.
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And to do that, to unlock their powers, they have to kill them.
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For reasons.
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For reasons.
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So Kenny's father decides to shoot him in the chest with a shotgun, which Samantha sees in the distance.
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Kenny is quickly brought back to life by healing potions, magics, and herbs, aka bad CGI, but this was an early movie to use a lot of CGI instead of practical effects, and we'll just kind of give it a pass for that.
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In doing so, Kenny's powers of psychokinesis are totally flicked on, along with the ability to talk to squirrels and birds, and better vibing with the natural world, as druids are wont to do.
00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:37.119
Samantha finds out about all of this, and to not let Kenny stand against the warlock alone, stabs herself in the chest with a kitchen knife.
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:38.880
Isn't this the story of Elliot Smith?
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As her father looks on, but is then quickly also resurrected, and her own powers, similar to Kenny, though less explored, are engaged.
00:44:48.320 --> 00:44:51.840
Now they prepare as the signs of the coming battle emerge.
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Birds are falling from the sky, bugs are roiling across the Bible, you know, that sort of end-of-the-world nonsense.
00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:07.280
Which the town blames the Satan worshipping druids for, but are shooed away before the warlock fully arrives.
00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:10.320
Warlock is here.
00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:22.559
Witchcraft is seen as the devil's work, and he's actually a follower of the devil, but it's the druids who are seen as the bad guys and worshiping the devil.
00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:24.800
It's a funny inversion there, huh?
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:25.440
Whoa.
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Now while the kids are activating their mutant genes, Warlock is traveling for stones.
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He gets one at a fashion show where a model and then the lead designer has it in her possession.
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She says that if he can prove he is a witch with his powers, she will give him the stone.
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Which he does by levitating with her, but once she gives him the stone, he lets her drop from high in the air and it crashes through the skylight, falling on the runway stage.
00:45:53.119 --> 00:46:09.920
We get more of these monkey paw-esque Wishmaster adjacent bargains for the other stones, even though we should say Warlock-esque, because both those movies came out years before the first Wishmaster film, and this sequel was the same year as Leprechaun.
00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:28.800
Warlock does not get its due, but he gets stones by trapping one owner in a carnival mirror Dark Dimension that the director in the commentary for this film compared to Tim Burton's Vision of Hell, which is fairly accurate, and turning one art collector into a piece of living flesh art statue.
00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:46.880
He also has a bit of gruesome fun as he picks up a hitchhiking prostitute, though he grows weary of her fussing and her trying to fix your hair, and thus rips it off her scalp, throws it in her lap so that she can see how it looks for herself, and then kicks her out of a moving car.
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:51.599
Just like the first film, uh not exactly feminist.
00:46:51.920 --> 00:46:52.239
No.
00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:52.880
But fun.
00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:57.039
And I feel like this is getting into sort of Wishmaster 2 territory, you know what I mean?
00:46:57.280 --> 00:47:00.880
Yeah, but again, I mean this is years and years before Wishmaster even came out.
00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:01.360
That's true.
00:47:01.599 --> 00:47:05.360
So Wishmaster took this from Warlock, not the other way around.
00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:06.159
No, you're right.
00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:07.760
It's just so funny how parallel they are.
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:08.159
Yeah.
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Now on his journey, the other druids aim to stop him.
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The thing actor tracks him and finds him in an elevator with seemingly the unaware warlock.
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He takes out the magic dagger, and as he's about to plunge it into his back, the door closes.
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When the elevator arrives for the next floor, a spotless warlock emerges with the dagger, and the elevator is a bloody mess, looking like a predator and Pinhead had a blood raven there.
00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:38.400
Another fun time is when the warlock's taxi needs gas.
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He stops and is talking to the witless gas attendant, who realizes that the warlock's driver is indeed dead, and RJ Armstrong uses his druid magic to stab the warlock, tapping a pen into a magic leaf, which, despite him not knowing if it works, is actually stabbing the warlock again and again, as the warlock spews a greenish black blood into a splatterfest mess.
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Once again, confrontation at the gas station.
00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:10.559
Exactly.
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I'm telling you, this is a thing.
00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:20.880
Now eventually the warlock arrives, kills RJ for the last stone after hacking his arms off with a hatchet, and is confronted by Kenny.
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After a small initial perche with his magical mutant druid powers, Kenny is defeated and exploded out of a building and lands impaled on a broken pole.
00:48:33.679 --> 00:48:42.239
Warlock toys with him, letting the father and preacher come up with their shotguns and blow the warlock away into our surrounding storefront.
00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:53.360
But Warlock Undaunted emerges and erupts from the top of the roof, moseyes down invisible stairs, and uses his hand as finger guns and blows the two older men away.
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Even blowing the smoke from his gunfingers.
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A reference that obviously an ancient warlock would understand.
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I know.
00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:09.119
In the first one, he doesn't make any of these type of references, but they lean into the tropes a bit harder in the second one.
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You know, abandoning kind of the unique superstitions and folklore that the first one was built around.
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Now it is after this that Samantha, who wants to protect the stone at all costs, as it is on the necklace around her neck, lures the warlock away, riding on her motorbike.
00:49:26.559 --> 00:49:28.960
Dad's last act is healing Kenny.
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Kenny arrives to fight the Warlock more right as the Warlock has defeated Samantha and taken the last stone.
00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:36.480
Oh no.
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:47.920
Samantha is tied to the front of the truck with Tetsuo mechanical wires, while Kenny is slammed into and tied to a tree with the evil dead rape vines surrounding him.
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They are forced to watch as the warlock places the stones on the altar.
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They glow, they spin, and a dark beam of light shoots up into the sky.
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The sun is eclipped, and the altar begins to open, letting a CGI, the next generation alien reject Satan, begin to lift himself out of the hole.
00:50:08.239 --> 00:50:14.800
Now this is a precursor to about every single superhero trophy final scene we get nowadays.
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:15.039
Yeah.
00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:22.239
With the great beaming light in the sky, and they have to stop whatever doodad is causing the end of the world.
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:23.039
The Guffin.
00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:23.920
Indeed.
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:30.880
But the kids are able to turn the tables and used their psychic ability to turn on the truck lights.
00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:33.440
Artificial sunlight, asshole.
00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:38.000
And it sends the devil back to hell and breaks the spell.
00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:39.360
But the movie isn't done.
00:50:39.519 --> 00:50:40.800
Warlock is now pissed.
00:50:40.960 --> 00:50:44.400
He has been defeated, but he is going to murder these children.
00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:51.440
He beats on Kenny and pulls out the dagger that was brought to kill him and is about to stab Kenny.
00:50:51.599 --> 00:50:58.000
They have a PK magic wizarding duel with the Flying Dagger, each willing it to kill the other.
00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:08.320
Kenny is about to succumb when Sam gets conscious again, and their combined heroic might sends the dagger into Warboy's chest.
00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:17.280
He then starts spurting more black blood, does a decent good melting effect, and turns into a skeleton which is swallowed by the earth.
00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:26.639
The kids are free, and they go to reclaim the stones, except for the last one, the purple birthing stone, which is on the ground where the warlock was buried.
00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:32.000
As Sam reaches for it, a skeletal hand springs up, snatches it, and sinks back into the earth.
00:51:32.239 --> 00:51:33.039
Oh, it's a dead idea.
00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:37.440
Decent final jump scare element and possible franchise continuance.
00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:40.800
Though it's never mentioned or dealt with ever again.
00:51:41.119 --> 00:51:44.960
Oh, you mean like Skeletor at the end credit scene of Masters of the Universe, the first one.
00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:48.239
I would say this is much more like the end of Carrie, perhaps.
00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:50.320
But it doesn't matter.
00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:50.880
No.
00:51:51.440 --> 00:51:55.440
Because there is only one more Warlock film.
00:51:55.679 --> 00:51:55.920
Yeah.
00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:57.199
Maybe one too many.
00:51:57.440 --> 00:51:59.280
Oh, definitely one too many.
00:51:59.440 --> 00:52:04.960
Warlock 3, The End of Innocence, a straight-to-video release from 1999.
00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:06.719
It was an erotic thriller.
00:52:07.119 --> 00:52:08.639
Well, there is nudity.
00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:11.679
There is some SM play.
00:52:11.840 --> 00:52:16.800
There's a couple in the film that are into uh kinky sex stuff in the late 90s.
00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:17.440
They're gonna die.
00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:21.519
Which means getting whipped uh as someone's chained to a chair.
00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:24.800
Isn't there an element of that in Hellraiser 3?
00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:27.440
Boy, that can't be a coincidence, right?
00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:30.320
I mean, it's the Hellraiser, so it's always SM stuff.
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:32.800
Yeah, I mean it's the whole thing by nature is the SM stuff.
00:52:33.039 --> 00:52:33.280
Yeah.
00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:33.760
Yeah.
00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:35.119
That's the point.
00:52:35.519 --> 00:52:43.119
So Warlock 3, The End of Innocence, or the End of Watching these Warlock films, directed by Eric Kreezer.
00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:47.280
So it was Roberts, who has done a handful of films.
00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:50.239
He was brought in by the studio to make this.
00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:52.880
It was written by Pierce Milestone.
00:52:53.119 --> 00:52:54.559
I hope he didn't give himself that name.
00:52:54.800 --> 00:52:57.039
He had done one screenplay before this.
00:52:57.280 --> 00:52:58.480
Bruce Eisen.
00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:02.480
Bruce Eisen, who did a few things.
00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:07.760
He worked on uh Eve's Bayou as an additional crew, but man.
00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:14.719
He worked on the legal affairs for Return of the Living Dead and Legal Affairs for Leprechaun 3.
00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:17.119
It appears that he worked for TriMark.
00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:23.920
Ah in other things, and he maybe was pitched to write this and put pen to paper.
00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:26.079
Good for him for getting a paycheck, I suppose.
00:53:26.239 --> 00:53:27.039
Yeah, go for it.
00:53:27.199 --> 00:53:29.039
Bad for all of us who have seen the movie.
00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:35.440
Unfortunately, Julian Sands, though I guess it was open, he saw the script and did not want to do it.
00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:38.719
TriMark did not push any harder for him to be in the film.
00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:46.719
Rather, replacing him with Bruce Payne, who you might know from Highlander Endgame as the big bad there.
00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:48.639
Now you're talking our language.
00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:52.079
He was also the bad guy in Passenger 57.
00:53:52.719 --> 00:53:59.039
He also went on to well, he went on to star in Full Eclipse with Anthony Hickox again.
00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:01.360
A film we were definitely cover at some point.
00:54:01.440 --> 00:54:10.719
And you can't get out of the Hellraiser lane without Ashley Lawrence, who played Kirsty in both Hellraiser 1 and 2.
00:54:10.880 --> 00:54:11.519
There you go.
00:54:11.679 --> 00:54:16.559
She plays the main character of Chris in Warlock 3.
00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:18.480
She has very little to work with.
00:54:18.719 --> 00:54:19.679
This film.
00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:20.719
Ugh.
00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:21.199
Alright.
00:54:21.440 --> 00:54:21.920
Break down.
00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:25.360
I'm not going to go through the beats of this film because this film sucked.
00:54:25.440 --> 00:54:25.599
Yeah.
00:54:25.760 --> 00:54:27.119
And I hated watching it.
00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:32.800
I may have put it on one and a half speed to try to power through it, and it wasn't fast enough.
00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:36.000
Chris plays an artist in college.
00:54:36.320 --> 00:54:41.280
She is an orphan, and she has found that she has inherited a house.
00:54:41.519 --> 00:54:44.000
So she wants to go check the house out.
00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:46.400
She has a bunch of college friends.
00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:50.880
You have the stoner music guy who's in love with her.
00:54:51.119 --> 00:54:54.400
You have what would be a finance bro boyfriend.
00:54:54.559 --> 00:54:55.039
Ugh.
00:54:55.360 --> 00:55:01.199
You have a couple of sex fiend alternative kids.
00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:05.599
And one witchy girl who reads the tarot.
00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:06.079
Alright.
00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:19.360
They are all studying for finals, and Chris wants to go to the house to look to see if she can find any ideas about who she was, where she came from, the lineage that somehow brought her this house.
00:55:19.519 --> 00:55:22.800
She wants to go the weekend before finals for some reason.
00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:24.159
So she goes on her own.
00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:33.599
Of course, friends show up to keep her company and get picked off one by one when a mysterious stranger shows up to look at the house.
00:55:33.760 --> 00:55:36.559
Yes, this is Bruce Payne's warlock.
00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:45.119
It turns out he was a reincarnation of a warlock from I don't know, the 1700s?
00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:46.159
Okay.
00:55:46.400 --> 00:55:58.000
The one genealogist who comes by who knows things says Christie's great-great-grandmother wrote a letter which ends up trying to explain the warlock and how to stop the warlock.
00:55:58.159 --> 00:55:58.480
Okay.
00:55:58.719 --> 00:56:02.639
But he also says that it was written in the 1700s.
00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:16.239
So even if her great-grandmother and her grandmother and her mother all lived to be 100 years old before they even had a child, still would not add up to the time when Chris is alive.
00:56:16.639 --> 00:56:17.440
Doesn't make any sense.
00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:17.920
Nope.
00:56:18.079 --> 00:56:18.960
But who cares?
00:56:19.119 --> 00:56:20.639
Nothing in this film makes sense.
00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:24.320
It is the most generically shot, generically written.
00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:28.159
There is nothing interesting about any of the characters, any of the dialogue.
00:56:28.320 --> 00:56:42.719
Essentially, the warlock feels that he is bound spiritually to Chris, as her ancestor had her daughter kidnapped by the warlock, and then he imprisoned the warlock in the catacombs of this house.
00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:44.000
Most houses have those.
00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:46.000
To bind him to the house.
00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:50.079
And then it's up to Chris to defeat him in a similar way.
00:56:50.239 --> 00:56:51.599
Blah blah blah.
00:56:51.920 --> 00:57:07.280
All of her friends die by the warlock as he uses his conniving magics to put spells on them, either making them age or turning them into crystal or turning their sex stuff against them.
00:57:07.840 --> 00:57:08.320
Whatever.
00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:09.119
It's bad.
00:57:09.360 --> 00:57:11.920
It has nothing to do with the Warlock franchise.
00:57:12.079 --> 00:57:12.320
Right.
00:57:12.559 --> 00:57:20.400
Other than being produced by the company that did the second one after they bought the rights from the failed studio that collapsed in the first one.
00:57:20.639 --> 00:57:21.760
Ugh, god damn it.
00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:25.280
It's about the level of what Ginger Dead Man 2?
00:57:25.519 --> 00:57:26.639
It's that kind of.
00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:27.199
Yeah.
00:57:27.519 --> 00:57:34.480
It also gives you real Wishmaster 3 vibes, where they recast it, no one else is involved, the rules aren't the same.
00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:36.719
At least there's a sense of fun.
00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:43.599
Which I think is like allowed the Wishmaster franchise to have legs year after year, decade after decade.
00:57:43.760 --> 00:57:45.519
There's a certain fun to the kills.
00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:46.960
This has none of that.
00:57:47.199 --> 00:57:51.760
It's completely lifeless and joysuck to watch.
00:57:52.079 --> 00:57:52.400
I bet.
00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:57.519
Unfortunately, I own it because I have the box set of all three films.
00:57:57.679 --> 00:57:58.079
Got it.
00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:02.480
This has no connection to the other ones, and I would say avoid it.
00:58:02.639 --> 00:58:05.679
It is on Tubi, as are, I think, the other two.
00:58:05.920 --> 00:58:15.440
But if you happen to listen to this podcast, you find our descriptions, our ideas about the first Warlock films intriguing in the very least.
00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:16.480
Maybe a little fun.
00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:17.599
You want to check those out.
00:58:17.679 --> 00:58:20.320
I wholeheartedly recommend watching the first one.
00:58:20.559 --> 00:58:23.840
The second one, uh, it has some elements.
00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:29.760
You know, if you like Julian Sands' portrayal as the Warlock, he is still engaging.
00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:38.000
He's still fun in the second one, maybe a little more knowing of what he's doing and the tropes he's playing into.
00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:41.280
It's a little more 90s than the original one was.
00:58:41.440 --> 00:58:41.840
Yeah.
00:58:42.079 --> 00:58:51.119
And it's very much more sequely, but they do decide let's do superpowers and let's have what if the X-Men kids had to fight a warlock?
00:58:51.280 --> 00:58:54.800
You know, it has fun-ish elements there.
00:58:55.039 --> 00:58:56.800
It's not the worst thing in the world.
00:58:56.960 --> 00:58:59.039
It has some cool actors in it.
00:58:59.119 --> 00:59:01.360
But the third one is a complete skip.
00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:02.239
Hey, watch it.
00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:03.760
Do not even bother.
00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:05.199
I'm saving you.
00:59:05.440 --> 00:59:06.639
It's not a complete skip.
00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:07.440
I mean, come on.
00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:08.639
I'm a little better than that.
00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:09.920
It's as closest you can get.
00:59:10.719 --> 00:59:16.320
Yeah, that third one's kind of like it's kind of like uh Nightmare and Elmstory Dream Warriors thing where they introduce these other things.
00:59:16.400 --> 00:59:22.079
Or like uh one of those later Michael Myers movies where it's like, oh, there's a psychic kid who can predict the whatever.
00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:25.519
I don't know if I'm putting through how bad Warlock 3 is.
00:59:25.679 --> 00:59:30.639
Oh, I believe those all look like Oscar-winning achievements compared to Warlock 3.
00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:32.639
Well, considering the Oscars today, they could have been.
00:59:32.800 --> 00:59:34.000
Warlock 3 is really bad.
00:59:34.159 --> 00:59:35.920
And it was a real disappointment.
00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:47.039
I had avoided watching it until preparing for this episode, and I was saddened by how much of a death knell it was in the Warlock franchise.
00:59:47.199 --> 00:59:51.119
I think Warlock is a film franchise that could be done again.
00:59:51.280 --> 00:59:51.840
Oh yeah.
00:59:52.079 --> 01:00:05.840
I think you need the right charisma and the right actor in the lead role, but I think it has legs, uh, the the people out of time, the gothic nature, and the actual use of witchcraft in these ways.
01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:07.280
I think it could really work.
01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:15.679
You could do something cool with it, but unfortunately, Warlock 3 ran it into the ground, and I don't know if it's ever gonna have anything.
01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:19.119
Now, there were further adaptations of the warlock.
01:00:19.199 --> 01:00:22.960
The screenplay was adapted to novelization, which apparently is kind of cool.
01:00:23.119 --> 01:00:37.119
I only know that because I listened to all of the commentary with the director Steve Minor in the first one, along with a presenter who is very knowledgeable about the Warlock franchise and everything having to do with the Warlock movie.
01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:37.679
Awesome.
01:00:37.840 --> 01:00:43.440
And he talked about how the book was interesting and did some different things and was a worthy read.
01:00:43.599 --> 01:00:48.719
I don't know if he was just a super fan or if it's actually pretty cool, but they did make a novelization of it.
01:00:48.800 --> 01:00:54.400
They also did Lionsgate Entertainment and Blue Water Productions made a comic book in 2009.
01:00:54.559 --> 01:00:55.360
Yes, I heard about that.
01:00:55.599 --> 01:01:07.119
It was an original storyline, essentially the warlocks on mission to destroy a book which had imprisoned a group of his peers, but the company was unable to attain the rights to use Julian Sands' likeness.
01:01:07.360 --> 01:01:07.679
Oh.
01:01:08.159 --> 01:01:15.440
So it is a warlock character that looks adjacent to Julian Sands, but is not.
01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:18.559
I don't know, that's kind of hard to adjudicate in comic book form.
01:01:18.800 --> 01:01:23.599
I mean, if you're using footage of Ian Holm in Alien Romulus, I understand.
01:01:23.840 --> 01:01:24.880
But comic book?
01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:25.519
Like, come on.
01:01:25.679 --> 01:01:29.280
It's really easy to just make it not quite look like that, but you get the idea.
01:01:29.599 --> 01:01:30.000
That's odd.
01:01:30.159 --> 01:01:30.320
Yeah.
01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:33.119
Which is kind of what they did, but it sucks that it couldn't.
01:01:33.199 --> 01:01:34.320
Julian Sands deserves.
01:01:34.480 --> 01:01:35.679
Give him a fucking paycheck.
01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:36.000
Alright?
01:01:36.079 --> 01:01:37.280
Even if it's minimal.
01:01:37.679 --> 01:01:38.000
Seriously.
01:01:38.239 --> 01:01:38.480
You know?
01:01:38.719 --> 01:01:40.480
Give a residual for Christ's sake.
01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:45.519
Acclaim made a video game based on the film for Super NES and Sega Genesis in '95.
01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:46.000
Yeah.
01:01:46.079 --> 01:01:46.400
I have it.
01:01:46.480 --> 01:01:47.360
I'm gonna play it tonight.
01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:49.360
Oh yeah, I watched some of the video game.
01:01:49.519 --> 01:01:53.760
It's kind of like Redfern, but he has magical powers as well.
01:01:54.000 --> 01:01:54.639
Well, why not?
01:01:54.800 --> 01:02:00.800
So it's it kind of blends the druid magic powers and runestones from the second one.
01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:08.400
It's kind of a weird mix of the two disparate first two films for a video gameplay that looks kind of like a Castlevania ripoff.
01:02:08.559 --> 01:02:10.719
Yeah, it's definitely a Metroidvania of some sort.
01:02:11.039 --> 01:02:12.239
Yeah, which looks fun enough.
01:02:12.480 --> 01:02:14.559
My pitch is, you know, we had Freddie vs.
01:02:14.639 --> 01:02:15.599
Jason and Alien vs.
01:02:15.679 --> 01:02:20.559
Predator, but which were extremely disappointing, though they were big fanboy wet dreams back in the day.
01:02:20.639 --> 01:02:25.679
And then somebody back in the day made a fan edit video of Wishmaster versus Leprechaun.
01:02:26.079 --> 01:02:35.599
But I think we should do Warlock versus Halloween 3, where he has to fight the druids that are trying to kill all the children in America, the Silver Shamrock company.
01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:39.760
Can we have it as like every good X-Men versus Avengers, right?
01:02:39.840 --> 01:02:40.159
Mm-hmm.
01:02:40.400 --> 01:02:48.880
When something happens, they're set against each other, they fight for a bit, and they decide they need to come together to fight the major actual bad guy at the end.
01:02:49.280 --> 01:02:52.400
You just described every single superhero crossover fight ever.
01:02:52.639 --> 01:02:53.119
Exactly.
01:02:53.280 --> 01:03:01.679
So Warlock and the Druids, they start fighting each other, they realize, oh, we both want to kill kids and make the world evil.
01:03:01.840 --> 01:03:03.440
Let's team up and they just win.
01:03:03.599 --> 01:03:04.159
How about that?
01:03:04.320 --> 01:03:16.239
The way to do it correctly, like an actually good story, or at least passably good story, is to have Redfern come and confront the modern druids who are doing this stuff and being like, You guys have lost your way.
01:03:16.400 --> 01:03:18.000
These are the real evil we have to fight.
01:03:18.079 --> 01:03:26.159
You've become the evil that we set out to fight, and then so then he and the warlock have to team up to kill the druids in Halloween 3.
01:03:26.400 --> 01:03:26.639
Whoa.
01:03:26.960 --> 01:03:36.639
But then he has to kill the warlock at the end because the warlock in the last bit turns on him because he actually liked what the druids were doing and was helping them the whole time.
01:03:37.039 --> 01:03:41.039
Even though he was kicking them off one by one because he's, you know, sadistic warlock.
01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:41.599
Sure.
01:03:41.840 --> 01:03:52.880
Or it's that um they only had an uneasy alliance because it temporarily fit both of their machinations, the uh Redfern and the Warlock, against the Druids.
01:03:53.039 --> 01:03:54.320
And then when they kill the modern German.
01:03:56.559 --> 01:03:57.039
Exactly, yes.
01:03:57.199 --> 01:04:11.039
Then when they finally kill the Druids from Halloween 3, he's like, Well, now that those assholes are out of the way, I'm now the warlock, and I now I can enact my thing, and he's like, We teamed up to defeat this thing, and he's like, I only did that because they were in my way, they were my rivals, or essentially.
01:04:11.199 --> 01:04:13.679
Or they were blasphemers of our faith or whatever.
01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:15.360
Something in that vein.
01:04:15.599 --> 01:04:16.960
Let's pitch this.
01:04:19.039 --> 01:04:19.760
I'm in favor.
01:04:20.159 --> 01:04:31.519
Before we wrap up, a few funny things I was noticing while I was watching the first warlock on TV while we were doing this on Silent, and the credits were playing some fun anecdotes from the credits to just a couple.
01:04:31.679 --> 01:04:35.199
The farmer of that weird red barn that stuck out like a sore thumb.
01:04:35.440 --> 01:04:35.599
Yeah.
01:04:35.840 --> 01:04:37.440
The actor's name is Harry Johnson.
01:04:38.079 --> 01:04:40.079
Ooh, that's a tough name to live your life with.
01:04:40.320 --> 01:04:40.880
It really is.
01:04:41.039 --> 01:04:47.360
Especially since he's obviously part of the actor's This is my brand from now on, Harry Johnson.
01:04:47.599 --> 01:04:49.440
Do you think people were hard on Johnson?
01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:51.920
To be honest, I think they were a little flaccid on him.
01:04:52.079 --> 01:04:54.079
I think that he didn't really get a lot of work.
01:04:54.320 --> 01:04:55.840
You mean not a lot of jobs?
01:04:56.079 --> 01:04:56.800
Not very many.
01:04:56.960 --> 01:04:58.079
Just blown in the wind, you know.
01:04:58.400 --> 01:04:59.039
Been there, Mr.
01:04:59.119 --> 01:04:59.679
Johnson.
01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:03.519
So then the gas station attendant to whom we referred earlier.
01:05:03.679 --> 01:05:06.320
I mean, his real name as an actor is Robert Paulson.
01:05:06.480 --> 01:05:07.440
Wait, what was his name?
01:05:07.599 --> 01:05:09.599
His name was Robert Paulson.
01:05:12.079 --> 01:05:13.840
I thought that was really funny.
01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:20.239
And then the flight attendant, her name was Meta King, which is awesome.
01:05:20.480 --> 01:05:21.039
Meta.
01:05:21.519 --> 01:05:22.719
Meta King.
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That is an awesome name.
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Pretty badass.
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Oh, and also the second assistant director on the film was Frank Capra III.
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I saw that.
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Interesting, huh?
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Yeah.
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How far we've fallen.
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Warlock is a Nepo production.
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In the same way that Hank Williams III is somehow related to Hank Williams.
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It's like multiplicity, like the copy of a copy of a copy.
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Yeah, it degrades over time.
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They call it in Star Trek Replicative Failure.
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It just keeps getting worse and worse.
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Ah, yeah.
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I will end this episode on one sour note.
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Okay.
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I feel like I should mention it.
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In 1995, in La Range.
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One, a 14-year-old Sandy Charles told police that he had been contemplating suicide, but a spirit told him to kill someone else.
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So on July 8th, Charles and an unnamed eight-year-old accomplice murdered seven-year-old Jonathan Timpson.
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And court lawyers on Charles' behalf argued that he had become obsessed with the film Warlock and that the murder was based in part on occult concepts from the film.
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Unfortunately, this case brought the issue of violence in movies to the forefront in Charles' native Canada and supposedly influenced the country's decision to enable parents to use the V-Chip to censor violence in cable television.
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They don't make those anymore, do they?
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I don't think they do, but I can't be sure.
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So stupid.
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Charles was put on trial as an adult, although his accomplice, identified in court only by the initial M, was not charged.
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In August of 96, Charles was found not guilty by reason of insanity.
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Whoa.
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And following a trial, he went on to reside in a high security regional psychiatric center in Saskatoon, and then was briefly relocated to a Saskatchewan hospital in July and June 2013, but then was transferred back to the RPC facility that September.
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So that is a sad legacy that did have Warlock's name in the news for a bit.
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Yeah, I mean.
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But I felt that it was necessary to mention in the totality of the Warlock franchise and its longer legacy in and out of film.
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Yeah, but it's right up there with try to impress Jody Foster by shooting the president, a la taxi driver, or the Slender Man killing here in the States.
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Was that here in Missouri?
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Yeah, yeah.
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That might have been a Missouri case.
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Look into that.
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Yeah.
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But it's the same thing.
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It's just like somebody that attaches themselves to something and then all of a sudden it's that's the cause of it.
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It's that night trap bullshit.
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Get out of it.
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Get the fuck out of here.
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It has nothing to do with it.
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Yeah.
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No, and he could have said leprechaun or critters.
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That just happens to be.
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Could have been his dentist.
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It doesn't matter.
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Yeah.
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Could have been the movie The Dentist.
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It could have been the dentist from Little Chapel Horrors.
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It's the same thing.
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What is it, Skeet Rollerich says in Scream?
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Don't you blame the movies?
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Movies don't create psychos, movies just make psychos more creative.
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It's a great scene.
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One of his best roles, actually.
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Yeah.
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A great movie.
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It is very good.
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Who will come up again soon?
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It's true.
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And hopefully for you, Warlock will come up again soon.
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Because I think it is a film that deserves some plaudits.
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Especially the first one.
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I think Julian Sands is a great movie villain.
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He's super cool in a lot of other things.
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I would totally suggest checking out just about anything with Julian Sands, especially super weird movies like Boxing Helena, where he's a surgeon who is obsessed with a woman and decides that he wants to keep her, so he decides he's going to cut off her limbs.
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Messed up.
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And a fact, when they were casting the interview with the vampire film, Anne Bryce wanted Lestat to be played by Julian Sands.
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I'm down with that.
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Yes, that was her.
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She was overruled by the went in a different direction with Tom Cruise, but in her mind, Julian Sands was Lestat, and he had that presence.
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Unfortunately, Julian Sands has passed away.
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He is no longer with us.
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He was awesome.
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He deserves more love.
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He was super cool, super interesting, and a great character in Warlock.
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And I suggest you guys at least check out the first one for an underseen gem that I think was a precursor to a lot of stuff that was done after it, like Witchmaster, Leprechaun, things like that, but with actual cool gothic undertones and weird superstitions and some cool lore that just isn't in those other films.
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It's true.
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I think it also led to certain things, like not entirely, but I think there were threads of it that lead into things later that would come up, like the craft, and then that whole spate of movies in the 90s.
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There was young adult teen witchcraft things.
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There were surprisingly a lot of those between the 90s and the mid-2010s.
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And I think Witchmaster does have a little bit of inspiration in there.
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There's a little thread, I think, that goes through there.
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Not Witchmaster, I'm sorry, Warlock.
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Yeah, Witchmaster, I don't know.
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That would be weird if it did.
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But the Warlock movies, I think, definitely has a thread through there.
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Yeah, I think Warlock helped spark some of that witchcraft in films that really exploded after its time.
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So not demonizing all.
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Well, that's the whole thing about witches is demonizing women.
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And when they would demonize warlocks, it was because they were usually just a different religion.
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Which is, I think one of the interesting touches on this film is that usually the demonization of what they called witches and warlocks were just like druid clerics, normally, and or just lonely women who lived out in the woods.
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And so having a druid being the protagonist is very interesting.
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I think that is something that really sets it apart from a lot of lore and does make it a very unique choice.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And which is why I think it deserved to be spoken about.
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And that's why we put this episode on.
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Absolutely.
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And again, we hope that you have enjoyed.
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Oh shit.
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We shouldn't have brought up the eyebreasts.
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We'd love to hear your thoughts on Warlock, unless you want to talk about Warlock 3 and how good it is, because then I don't give a damn what you say because it's bad.
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It's legitimately bad, and I hate it.
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Your argument isn't valid.
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It made me sad about film.
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Yeah, it's pretty bad.
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I don't think I've gotten through the whole thing either.
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Uh yeah, oh yeah, it's not worth it.
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No.
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But, folks, until an evil warlock comes from the past, decides to make out with you bite your tongue off so that he can get the devil's Bible and end all of creation by spelling Mr.
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Mixelplex's name backwards along with Rumpel Stiltskin.
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Skip.
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What should they do?
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They should probably find John Constantine.
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That'd be my first piece of advice.
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I'm John Constantine, asshole.
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I'm John Constantine's American cousin.
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Which is the play that's Johnny Constantine.
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Which is yeah, which was the play that Lincoln was shot at, by the way.
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Johnny Constantine, my American cousin.
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Mary Todd loved it.
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Other than the movie Constantine, how was the play, Mrs.
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Lincoln?
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So other than that, they should probably clean up after themselves to some sort of reasonable degree.
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Make sure that they paid their tabs, that they have tipped their wait staff, their KJs, their DJs, anybody who works slave wage labor in this country, which is, by the way, most of us.
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Please reach out and tip them in all of the services that they perform.
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Don't forget to support your local comic shops and retailers.
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And also, as a side note, Jake and I would like to say no matter where you go, there you are.
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Please go away.