099: Navigating Psychic Abilities in Children // An Update with "Gwen"

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Greetings, you magical mystery monsters! In today's episode, we talked to the one and only Gwen, and we've got a big update on her.
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I'm Lauren Leon.
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And I'm Frank.
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And we are a married couple learning how to develop our own intuition.
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This is episode 99 of Clear Voyaging.
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Yo!
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Hello, little pumpkins!
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What's going on?
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Hi, hi, hi.
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You doing good?
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Are you?
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Are you?
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Tell us.
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What's the scoop, guys?
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What are you scooping?
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Is it is it good?
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Is it okay?
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Is it Are you okay?
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Are you Are we okay?
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Are you okay?
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I there's a lot.
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Deep breath.
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It's fine.
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Everything's fine.
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Let's make it a nice one.
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Hey, Frank.
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Guess what?
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What's up?
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Uh, just a quick little thing.
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We've got a new Patreon member.
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Thank you, Alex.
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Alex! Welcome, Alex.
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Welcome, Alex.
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Woo-hoo! Guys, we have a really great episode today.
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I'm pretty excited about it, Frank.
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You excited?
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It's something.
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But first, Lauren has a prepared statement.
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I have not read this, so.
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But I will be um exercising my ride of peanut gallery.
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Let's rock.
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Since the beginning of this podcast, we've come from a place of authenticity, vulnerability, and celebration of the idea of normalizing your spiritual journey.
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Right, Frank?
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Yeah.
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What started as slight discomfort around telling strangers or even family and friends about our podcast became a source of pride.
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It's true.
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Yeah.
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It's just what we do now and who we are.
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Living authentically has made us realize the misalignment in where we lived, help us make big changes, and create a solid foundation for raising our kids in an honest and healthy way.
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It's still so weird that a podcast did all of that.
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I mean, you know.
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Like I said, if you've been here for the whole thing, I didn't, I kept my cards close to my chest.
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I do not talk to people about my feelings.
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It never served me well.
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It is pretty wild.
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I don't, yeah.
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I don't know how often you can say that like just this day, this weekly practice of putting your feelings out into the world and and and talking to experts has fundamentally changed your life.
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Yeah, it's crazy.
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It's literally also shaped our community.
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For example, we recently learned that by being honest and proudly stating to our neighbor friends, we have a podcast about intuitive development, and Frank and I are both Reiki masters.
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We discovered that they also enjoy energy work, and one of them is a Reiki master as well.
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On our little tiny street.
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On our street, and our kids are like best friends.
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What are the chances?
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But what you know, what we might have once considered a random coincidence feels more now like true alignment.
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So I think we now trust ourselves as we've begun to make the transition from observer to participant to practitioner.
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So now in this new space of true authenticity, while we tell others to normalize their spiritual journey, and as we accept and honor our own spiritual journeys, we've also been telling our own kids to do the same.
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And as we come up on our 100th episode, we've been in a period of reflection and refocus.
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What story are we telling?
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One story that we've been telling is the story of Gwen.
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I use air quotes here because, as we said from the very beginning, Gwen is not her real name.
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We've talked about Gwen as the catalyst for this entire podcast because she was.
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She was the reason for our newfound belief three years ago.
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For those new to the story, Gwen was five years old when she told a yard duty at school, excuse me, your mom died.
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And it turned out to be true.
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And it changed our lives forever because Gwen is not our niece.
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Gwen is Jean, our daughter.
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I feel like you probably might have been able to guess not already.
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Maybe.
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I don't know.
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We tell you how old our daughter is all the time.
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And I was like, well, maybe someone's gonna put this together.
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Yeah.
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Our buddy, our buddy Drew called us out a long time ago.
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He's like, okay, okay.
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Everyone knows.
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I'm like, I don't know if anybody knows, buddy.
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But tell them why.
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Tell them why, babe.
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Okay.
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At the time, Jean did not like to talk about what she was experiencing, and we desperately wanted to learn more for her sake, for our sake, to understand everything we could about the spirit world and to try and get on her level in any way possible.
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So instead of exploiting her and using her ability and experiences as a marketing tool, we chose to honor her anonymity for protection.
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You mean lie to everybody?
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Yeah.
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A little bit.
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Well, look, she was not comfortable with it.
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Exactly.
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And it was like, I don't want to push her.
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This is something that happened to us.
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We need to address it, but we can't push her into a zone where she's not comfortable.
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Yeah.
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You know, because we're ethical parents and stuff.
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And we were like, we don't necessarily feel comfortable outing her in case someone at her school hears this and like, you know, that we don't want her to be like, oh, that's the ghost girl or something.
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She talks the ghost.
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She's weird.
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Yeah.
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You know, if you've seen any, that's part of the spiritual journey and like having it be normalized because not everybody is comfortable with it.
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I think they're becoming more comfortable, just given how much we talk to people and how open they are to things, even in the last two and a half years.
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I kind of wish I understood better how reality works because I can't tell if the more we talk about it, the more people we find who are comfortable with it, if everyone's always secretly comfortable with it, or if we're like doing some, I don't know.
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Are we are we are we manifesting something?
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I don't I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I don't know what's going on.
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Because also I'm it maybe it's just my algorithm, but I see more parents talking about their kids experiencing stuff, and I'm like, huh.
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I think it's just becoming a little bit more acceptable or a little bit people are opening up a little bit more.
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Let me adjust your algorithm actually.
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It's there's a little knob behind the ear if you just twist them.
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All right.
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Your algorithm has been adjusted.
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That's being said, my algorithm, I was like, are you a robot?
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No, uh, my social media algorithm silly goose.
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So we chose to wait until Jean was more comfortable, if and when she was ready.
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Once she started telling some kids at school about her ability to talk to ghosts, as she puts it, we began to feel more comfortable talking about it as well.
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So as we move into this new version of Claire Voyaging, we discussed the reveal of Jean as Gwen, and we asked her if she'd be comfortable talking to us on the podcast.
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And she was very ready.
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She is a theater kid.
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Yeah.
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You know, like she loves musicals and is always singing.
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I can't get her to stop singing.
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Sometimes I wish she would stop singing.
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We love how much she sings.
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And not at 6 30.
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It's very uh top of her lungs sometimes.
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But you know what?
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As I have come to uh heal my own trauma, I go, girl, be you.
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I'm not gonna dim your light.
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I'm not gonna quiet you.
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And I say, girl, maybe just bring it down.
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Maybe just bring it down to 10.
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Can we bring it down to 10?
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So we interviewed Gene.
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You wanna hear it?
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Wanna hear it?
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You wanna hear how it went?
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Well, good, because here it comes.
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Here it comes.
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Well, welcome, Jean.
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Thank you.
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Uh, it's great to be back.
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We just realized, also, it's great to have you back here.
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Um, we just realized that the last time we talked to you was almost exactly two years ago because it was you had a Valentine's Day uh party in your class, and you just came back from school with all your Valentines.
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And during the entire last interview, you brought home like Valentine's heart glasses and I wore them for the whole interview.
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Yeah.
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That is right.
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That is correct.
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Yeah.
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We weren't doing video then, so uh we're not we're not showing you because I did kind of mention why I'm not putting you on film.
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Why?
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On film.
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I'm not I'm not putting you on video.
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How come?
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Just say what I say what I said.
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Because there's a bunch of creeps watching.
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There you go.
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Well, to be clear, I wasn't talking about our audience.
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Hold on, I feel like I need to back this up a little bit, guys.
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It wasn't all right, fine.
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You're a bunch of creeps.
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You're all the creeps.
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The potential.
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The potential random creeps.
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We know our audience is good, bunch of bunch of good non-creeps.
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Uh it's the it's the potential of others finding it somehow.
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We don't need that.
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Thumbs up.
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Gene.
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Yes.
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Why did we bring you back and why are we calling you Gene now?
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Because you're telling the truth to your listeners.
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Do you know why I didn't tell the truth in the first place?
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There is a bunch of great things.
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No, well, I mean.
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Damn, she double-tapped the joke.
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It's pretty good.
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No, it's the same reason why we would say you don't don't don't tell people about your abilities unless you're really comfortable with doing it.
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What's the reason for that?
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But people like might think I'm lying or like not telling the truth, which is the same as lying as I'm realizing now.
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Uh-huh.
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Yeah.
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Anything else?
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They might um the person that I told them might tell other people, and then that person might tell another person.
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So it becomes this whole group conversation.
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Yeah.
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How would that make you feel?
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Everybody would be like, oh Gene, that's amazing! You can talk to ghosts.
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Oh my god.
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I'm telling my friend this now.
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So yeah.
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And that would make me like scared if that would become a big, like, big conversation.
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Like a big deal.
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Yeah, like a big deal.
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Yeah.
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And specifically, we didn't want it to become like such an important part of your identity where it started making doing like regular like kid activities uh weird or difficult.
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Or like, hey, let's go play soccer.
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Let's go play soccer with ghost girl.
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Or like, you know, dumb stuff like that.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Right?
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Wait.
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Do you play soccer with ghosts?
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No.
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Okay.
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Well, I did play soccer, but not with ghosts.
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So yeah.
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The kids were still alive.
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The kids were still alive.
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Alright.
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Normal soccer.
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Write that down.
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Normal soccer.
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How does it feel to talk as yourself instead of using the nickname or the the the fake name of Gwen?
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It feels good.
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I feel like I'm not lying.
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Okay.
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The last time I felt like, um, I'm feeling guilty.
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Did you feel guilty?
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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We've got an incredibly honest child who does not like dishonesty in any way.
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Which, you know, we are too.
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Hopefully one of us rubs off on her brother at some point.
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The sneaky one.
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Yeah.
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The little grin when he does sneaky.
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No, he's the sneakiest little little turd.
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He's a sneaky goblin.
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He's a sneaky goblin.
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With the the disgusting face.
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I mean, like his lips, not his actual face.
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Why?
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Because he has food on his face all the time?
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Yes.
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Yeah, well, kids have food on their faces all the time.
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You have food on your face all the time.
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Yeah, everything you eat one piece of chocolate and you look like there you end up with more chocolate around your lips than you was given to you in the first place.
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You make chocolate.
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I don't know how it happens.
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How dare you?
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Wait, one more question before we get into the real questions.
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Yeah.
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Why did we go with the name Gwen?
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Yeah.
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Oh, because I am obsessed with Ghost Spider.
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From the Spider-Man universe.
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Yes, I do.
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AKA, what's her other name?
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Oh, right.
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Gwen Stacy.
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Gwen.
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Gwen Stacy.
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So cool.
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Sometimes referred to as Spider Gwen.
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And her dad is um a police officer.
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Yeah.
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So yeah.
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In some universes.
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Yeah.
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Actually, I think that's a a universal thing.
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Okay.
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Well, in Spidey and his amazing friends, her mom is a police officer.
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Are you Surios?
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I'm Surial.
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I like that.
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Detective.
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Oh, a dad.
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I stand corrected.
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Wow.
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Just a citizen.
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That's cool.
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Yeah, there's a citizen that wears glasses and is bald.
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And that has things like on the his uh head but not on his top.
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I think if I remember correctly.
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What kind of things?
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What you mean like male pattern baldness?
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Like he has hair here?
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We call them power alleys and they help us make sales.
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You mean he has just hair here, but not on the top?
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He's like here, here?
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Oh wait, never mind.
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He does have hair in the top.
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This is great, and all.
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Yeah.
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Let's dig in.
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Yeah, time to get into the real stuff, the juicy stuff.
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The juicy stuff.
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The burger.
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Um, Miss Jean.
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Y'all's What do you think adults misunderstand most about kids who have uh intuitive abilities?
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They think they're just like they're just imaginary friends.
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Go back to your room and uh don't talk to me for the rest of your day.
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Well, I mean pretty bad.
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Do you think there are you think there's some parents who are like that?
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Yes.
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Yeah?
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Yeah.
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Were we ever like that?
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Wait, were we ever like that?
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Before before we like knew what was going on.
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Did we ever do anything like that to you?
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No.
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I think maybe we might have.
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I don't think I'd ever said an imaginary friend go back to your room.
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No, not those words, but you know.
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There were moments when there were weird times that when you were acting kind of funny or something was going on and be like, dude, stop.
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You're being dramatic.
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Go back to bed.
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Everyone does it, guys.
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It's okay.
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We've made mistakes.
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You don't you probably don't remember.
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It would have been like from before you were in kindergarten.
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Before TK.
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Before TK.
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Before TK?
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Yeah.
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I literally night, like three and four years old.
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Well, in kindergarten, I had to deal with Emma.
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Okay, so who was Emma?
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A ghost.
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Where'd you see her?
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In the garage on the ceiling, looking down at me with no pupils.
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Okay.
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Did Emma like kind of follow you around for a little while or like what happened with her?
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Yeah.
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She would.
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Yeah.
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Uh-huh.
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And what did what did Dr.
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Claire say to do about that again?
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Uh I kind of forget, but Well, what do we always say when you see something or talk to someone that you don't want to?
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Uh I'm not available, please go get someone else.
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So why do you say that she was Well, hold on.
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We don't tell him to go get someone else.
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Yeah.
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I'm not available, please go eat someone else.
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Oh, please go visit someone else.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Since we talked to you last, have there been other events that have happened?
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Yes.
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What else?
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Can you tell us a little bit?
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Um, like, well, this is kind of hard to explain, but uh so my brother came upstairs saying like well he has the same abilities at m as me.
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So he came upstairs like so first he was in the bedroom and then he just came upstairs like There's a zombie ghost in a room.
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And then I said, Okay, let me go down there and see what's going on.
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And then I went downstairs and he was just there like s he was like there just sitting there, like sitting there and the spirit?
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Yeah, the spirit.
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And um like he actually did kind of look like a zombie, like half is his like skin was kind of peeling off and the brain was sticking out and he didn't have pupils.
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So So what did you ask him anything?
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Um I asked him like what he wanted and um he said he wanted to go to heaven.
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Were you able to help him at all?
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Yes.
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What do you do to help them again?
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I like tell them to follow the light, and that light is the way to heaven.
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Just w just like that, huh?
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Yeah, but actually believe me.
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Oh what?
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Believe me.
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Believe you?
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Yeah.
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Okay, yeah, I believe you.
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The I mean it's just interesting because I don't understand how that works.
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Do you understand how it works or you just know it works?
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I just know it works.
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Like one minute I'm like, follow the light, and I'm closing my eyes.
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And then the next minute my eyes open.
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Poof.
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Wow.
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Gone.
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Magic trick.
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Blah da sabada.
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That's the worst magic word I've ever.
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Hold on, take two.
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New magic word.
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Oh, okay.
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Take two.
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Okay, great.
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That's fantastic.
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Well, so did that make you feel scared?
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No.
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No.
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I dealt with it by myself.
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Wow.
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Alright.
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But you still get scared sometimes.
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Yeah, sometimes.
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Like because I don't know who this is.
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Is that the problem?
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Yeah.
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Like Stranger Danger.
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Is it that you don't know who ghost danger?
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Yeah.
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Spooky dookies.
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I have no idea.
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Spooky dookies spoop a lot.
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Is the is it that you don't know who it is, or is it sometimes you anticipate that someone might be there because sometimes you're scared before you even see anything?
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Is it just your is that how you still get scared sometimes?
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Yeah, I guess.
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No, tell me.
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Let's talk about it.
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Like, um, the fact that I don't know this person at first, I'm like, okay, um, let's think about this.
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And then well, I don't actually say that, but I just after I know about it, I go downstairs and then see what he needs or she.
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Yeah, but sometimes there's nothing even there.
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You just you just get kind of spooked out.
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Yeah, but is it the idea of maybe facing that kind of thing?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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It scares me, like it kind of scares me.
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Yeah, listen, when I was a kid, if I had to go like upstairs or downstairs by myself, I mean, I would get scared all the time.
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It's just that nothing was ever there.
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But you sometimes you actu sometimes something's actually there for you.
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Yeah, I don't actually like get scared when I'm like downstairs, even when I'm by myself.
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I don't actually get scared because well, sometimes I could be friends with ghosts.
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Sure.
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Okay.
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Oh, and just for to be clear, uh the layout of our house, our bedrooms are actually downstairs.
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You walk into the first floor because of we're on a hill.
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Yeah.
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So it's kind of confusing.
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Yeah.
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Uh but yeah, so when we say downstairs, we mean in our rooms.
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Yeah.
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Wait, so you but you had another event at school uh recently.
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What was that?
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So I was just like doing a math test on my computer, and all the other kids in my class were doing it too.
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And then suddenly I just get shocked, like well not actually shocked, but I just got shocked because I heard like um like two pa and then I was like uh yeah like inside your head or outside of your ear?
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Like I was even wearing headphones and I like heard it.
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Okay.
00:21:51.599 --> 00:21:53.680
You get to wear headphones when you're taking math tests?
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Like how's that news to me?
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What do you listen to?
00:21:56.799 --> 00:21:57.599
Gaga?
00:21:58.240 --> 00:21:58.799
Nothing.
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Um, nothing.
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She just like has us put on our headphones for some reason.
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Like maybe it's to concentrate.
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Okay.
00:22:08.240 --> 00:22:10.480
So you heard someone else's voice.
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Yeah.
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It was a girl.
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And it like startled you.
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You heard two-pa?
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Yeah.
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Did that mean anything to you?
00:22:19.119 --> 00:22:21.279
No, I like two pa?
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What does that mean?
00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:27.680
So I'm guessing it means like to papa, to dad, or something.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I know.
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Um, so I couldn't see her, but I just heard her.
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And then I asked my teacher if I could go to the bathroom to like talk to her.
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I have n I still don't know what her name is.
00:22:49.519 --> 00:22:51.359
You don't know what is.
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I kind of I think she told me, but I just don't remember.
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That's okay.
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Why not?
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I don't remember.
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So What did she say?
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Did she want something?
00:23:01.200 --> 00:23:06.480
She said she also wanted to go to heaven.
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And then I said, can we do this out first recess?
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She said yes.
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And then I um dealed with it, so I just did the same thing as what I did with um the other spirit.
00:23:28.799 --> 00:23:30.079
So you like took an appointment?
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Yes.
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At recess.
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Yes.
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You went back inside, you finished your math test, you came out, you grabbed yourself a quick pizza bagel, you hit the schoolyard, and you just sent a ghost to heaven, no big deal.
00:23:39.279 --> 00:23:39.759
Yeah.
00:23:39.759 --> 00:23:40.640
Wow.
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Wait, how did you know that she was back?
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Like when you went to first recess?
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Because she said she was gonna go there.
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I mean she didn't really say it, but You just knew like she was Yeah, yeah, she I just knew.
00:23:54.960 --> 00:24:05.519
And then I was like, just I thought people were gonna think I was crazy when I went to the yellow bench and you sat down on a bench?
00:24:05.519 --> 00:24:06.319
Yeah.
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To deal with the ghost that I still cannot remember her name.
00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:11.759
It's okay, don't worry about her name.
00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:12.000
Yeah.
00:24:12.240 --> 00:24:15.119
So you were a little concerned that what people would think when they saw you doing this.
00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:15.519
Yes.
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Did you actually do anything with your hands or you just do it in your mind?
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You did Doctor Strange.
00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:23.119
Yeah.
00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:24.160
No, you didn't.
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Are you serious?
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I didn't really do anything with my hands, but I just did this.
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You just put your hands out.
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Yeah.
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And then when I opened my eyes.
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Or out loud?
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Out loud.
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Like, yeah, I was out loud.
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Did anybody see or hear you?
00:24:53.039 --> 00:24:53.519
Nope.
00:24:54.720 --> 00:24:55.839
What if it did?
00:24:55.839 --> 00:24:57.839
What would you how would you feel?
00:24:58.160 --> 00:25:02.480
I would say, hey, um, did you see me do that?
00:25:02.480 --> 00:25:04.640
Um I was just joking.
00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:07.759
I was just talking to myself and I was making up jokes.
00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:08.480
Wanna hear one?
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Knock knock.
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No, we're good, we're good, we're good.
00:25:13.200 --> 00:25:23.359
Okay, if you were if there was like another kid listening to this podcast, or you know, some people might have a kid who's experiencing some some stuff like you.
00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:24.720
I think they get that.
00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:35.039
Maybe they're a little bit younger, maybe they're older even, but how do you help yourself be brave or courageous when you're feeling scared?
00:25:35.440 --> 00:25:39.200
Sometimes then there's a ghost or spirit, I should say.
00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:59.119
Um I'm like, I've got this, and I put my heart on my hand um, I put my hand on my heart, and I put my other hand on my stomach, and I just take like a couple deep breaths, like that actually sounded really well.
00:25:59.119 --> 00:25:59.839
It's okay.
00:25:59.839 --> 00:26:04.559
Um and uh that helps that kind of helps me.
00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:09.279
So for the other kids listening to this, I hope you get your courage.
00:26:09.759 --> 00:26:10.319
Nice.
00:26:11.119 --> 00:26:14.880
And I also believe that I have courage sometimes when they scouts.
00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:16.000
That's good.
00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:17.119
That's really important.
00:26:17.119 --> 00:26:25.599
So if there if there's another kid who's feeling like confused or alone, you want them to hear, you've got this.
00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:26.240
Yeah.
00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:29.680
I I want them to say, I have courage.
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I believe myself.
00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:33.920
I got this, I've got this.
00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:36.480
And then they can do a little dance.
00:26:37.039 --> 00:26:39.039
What helps you like at night?
00:26:39.039 --> 00:26:44.000
What helps you at nighttime?
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Because a lot of times that's when kids have a lot of fear.
00:26:46.960 --> 00:26:47.599
Oh.
00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:54.079
I don't really worry about that anymore, but why do you think that is?
00:26:54.319 --> 00:26:55.920
You used to, which I used to all the time.
00:26:56.240 --> 00:26:56.799
I'm older.
00:26:56.799 --> 00:26:58.319
You think just being older?
00:26:58.319 --> 00:27:04.799
Yeah, like I've had a couple more ghosts in hand and now I know what to do.
00:27:05.119 --> 00:27:05.440
Oh.
00:27:06.079 --> 00:27:06.400
Okay.
00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:12.880
We still have a uh every night we do a little thing to kind of uh protect your room a little bit.
00:27:13.279 --> 00:27:14.079
Can I tell them?
00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:14.720
Sure.
00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:53.519
Like you can say, Ike Michael, please protect us with your um light or like blue light, and um tell like if a family members of a family member of yours has passed away and you like like that family member, you could ask them if they're like if there's unwelcomed ghost, you they could just like be um the kind of like bouncer that's at parties.
00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:55.759
And they're like, you're not on the list.
00:27:55.759 --> 00:27:56.880
Get out of here.
00:27:57.200 --> 00:27:57.759
Who do we ask?
00:27:57.759 --> 00:27:59.440
Who do we ask to be our bouncer?
00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:00.079
Uncle Ian.
00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:00.880
Uncle Ian.
00:28:01.599 --> 00:28:03.200
I never got to meet him.
00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:08.880
Is there anything that mom and dad have done that have that has helped you?
00:28:09.200 --> 00:28:13.119
Um That sounds real close to no.
00:28:13.119 --> 00:28:14.880
You better watch your next words.
00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:16.880
Yeah, it is no.
00:28:16.880 --> 00:28:17.759
Straight no.
00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:19.119
That is a straight lie.
00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:23.200
There's nothing that mom and dad have done to help you.
00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:25.599
Oh, wait, yes, they have.
00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:33.519
Yeah, um, you guys have told me, like, if you're not friends or family, please go away.
00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:35.200
I cannot help you.
00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:36.160
Yeah.
00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:36.640
Okay.
00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:44.720
But sometimes when they're not, you you you've taken it upon yourself to like kind of make them have an appointment for a later date, huh?
00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:46.640
Yeah, like example.
00:28:46.640 --> 00:28:53.200
There's this two twins, and then they wanted like well, they didn't really want help.
00:28:53.200 --> 00:29:11.359
I don't really remember, but they kind of wanted help, and they were just in my dreams, and I didn't really want them in my dreams, so I just like dad, aka Frank, helped me.
00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:13.599
What did I do?
00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:18.559
Helped me, like, with setting an appointment for the next day.
00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:20.640
And that was all right.
00:29:20.799 --> 00:29:22.400
Which we then forgot about.
00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:25.279
So we set an appointment for the next day.
00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:36.559
And then um I took them care of, so let the record show she did one of these.
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:41.519
Um, is there anything that mom and dad have done that's not helpful?
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:43.440
Absolutely nothing.
00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:45.359
Be honest now.
00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:46.480
Brownie points?
00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:47.119
Nope.
00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:52.079
Well, are there times where you just don't want to talk about spirits?
00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:52.799
Yes.
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:53.279
Yeah.
00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:53.759
Yeah.
00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:55.920
I mean, the mom and dad kind of talk about it all the time.
00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:57.200
Our thing.
00:29:57.759 --> 00:29:59.039
It's kind of annoying.
00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:00.799
We yeah.
00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:01.519
Fair.
00:30:01.519 --> 00:30:01.920
Fair.
00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:04.480
I feel like you're not the only person who thinks that.
00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:09.279
Who's the other person that thinks that doesn't think we'll talk about it offline?
00:30:09.279 --> 00:30:10.640
Okay.
00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:12.640
Good to know.
00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:21.279
Well, it became something where we we wanted to ask you, we wanted information, and you were scared to talk about it for a while.
00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:26.960
So we had to figure out different ways to make you more comfortable with talking about it.
00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:34.079
Otherwise, it was just kind of like this silent secret thing that you weren't really sharing with us.
00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:38.880
Yeah, I was like, I didn't know I really know what was going on.
00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:47.599
So I didn't know what to do, and I didn't know if I could like actually talk to anybody about it.
00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:49.920
I thought I was just losing my mind.
00:30:50.240 --> 00:30:53.200
It is funny that your first instinct was to be quiet about it.
00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:54.559
You're a very vocal person.
00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:55.759
I don't know if anyone has noticed that.
00:30:55.759 --> 00:30:56.880
Have you noticed that anybody?
00:30:56.880 --> 00:30:58.240
Everybody, have you noticed that?
00:30:58.240 --> 00:31:04.319
You're a very vocal person, and it's weird that this is the thing you stayed quiet about.
00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:05.599
I was four.
00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:07.359
I know, but still you were five.
00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:09.440
You haven't stopped talking since you came out of mom.
00:31:09.440 --> 00:31:13.920
So like but and then and then about this, suddenly you got really quiet.
00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:18.319
And anytime we'd ask you, you'd be like, Can we please stop talking about this?
00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:20.640
And you'd get really uncomfortable.
00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:23.119
Was it because it made you scared or what?
00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:25.759
Uh, I don't actually know what was going on.
00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:29.599
I think I just like didn't want to talk about it.
00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:33.759
I have no idea why, but what did it make you feel in your body?
00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:39.039
Like the past jitters, kind of like that.
00:31:39.359 --> 00:31:43.599
Oh it gave you like jitters, like it made you made you jittery.
00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:44.160
Yeah.
00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:44.960
Yeah.
00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:46.559
That makes sense.
00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:47.359
Yeah.
00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:50.160
How do you I mean, and but what about now?
00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:51.519
Have you grown a little bit?
00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:52.480
I'm much better.
00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:53.039
Yeah.
00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:53.519
Yeah?
00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:58.079
I've told some of my friends And now they all hate you because they think you're weird.
00:31:58.319 --> 00:31:58.480
Right?
00:31:59.119 --> 00:31:59.839
Is that accurate?
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:07.359
No, they just um some of them don't believe me and others do, and they told other friends.
00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:09.920
How does it feel when people don't believe you?
00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:11.680
Does it bother you?
00:32:11.920 --> 00:32:12.319
Yeah.
00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:15.440
Like, I'm like, no, believe me, please.
00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:16.079
Really?
00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:16.799
You Yeah.
00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:18.319
You beg them to believe you?
00:32:18.319 --> 00:32:20.480
I don't know if that's gonna work.
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:21.200
Yeah.
00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:22.400
What how does it feel?
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:23.359
Do you feel weird?
00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:24.480
What emotion?
00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:28.559
Like not trustworthy.
00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:31.440
Like they you like you feel like you're not trustworthy.
00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:32.079
Yeah.
00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:36.960
Does it make you question your own truth or your own story?
00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:37.599
No.
00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:39.039
That's good.
00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:41.440
How does it feel when someone actually believes you?
00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:43.920
Good and a little worried.
00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:53.359
I come home like telling, hey mom or dad, um, I told blah blah blah that I can talk to ghosts.
00:32:54.079 --> 00:32:55.039
Then you get worried about it?
00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:56.000
Yeah, I get worried about it.
00:32:56.079 --> 00:32:57.680
Uh yeah, we we only we don't get mad at you.
00:32:57.680 --> 00:33:02.160
Only if you only if you tell the big mouth nerds out there who like are unlikely to believe you.
00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:03.039
But that's okay.
00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:03.599
You know what?
00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:04.559
Your choice.
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:04.880
Yeah.
00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:05.920
Your community, your choice.
00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:07.839
That's what we've been saying to you, right?
00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:08.640
Yep.
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:10.319
I have a question for you.
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:11.119
Yes.
00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:17.519
Is it important that we don't make ourselves feel special for our abilities?
00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:19.279
Yes, absolutely.
00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:20.160
Definitely.
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:20.960
Yeah.
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:23.839
More words that say absolutely.
00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:26.160
Why is that?
00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:32.319
Like, because people might think, like, you're bragging.
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:36.400
Like, example, if I said, like, hey, guess what?
00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:38.240
I can talk to ghosts, and you can't.
00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:39.200
Ha ha ha.
00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:40.160
Yeah.
00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:41.920
That was um a lot.
00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:44.400
That was a lot, but but accurate.
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:44.799
Yeah.
00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:48.240
To do that.
00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:50.079
It doesn't feel right.
00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:50.880
Yeah.
00:33:51.440 --> 00:33:54.960
Well, you know, look at look how look at how far you've come.
00:33:54.960 --> 00:34:03.519
You went from not wanting to talk about it at all to now you're kind of opening up to some of your friends, and which is why we even feel okay talking about it on the podcast now, right?
00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:03.839
Yeah.
00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:13.840
Is if you if you're telling your own friends and there's no need to really keep a secret anymore, because you've you've owned it, but also you you know that not to make it your entire personality.
00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:28.239
You also do other like kid stuff, like playing sports and going to recess and uh speaking of what what non psychic activities do you like to do?
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:30.800
Like gymnastics.
00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:33.119
Um, I'm in it right now.
00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:34.320
You are in it right now.
00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:35.039
You are in it.
00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:35.360
Yeah.
00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:36.159
Very fun.
00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:37.920
Um in it.
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:39.280
So yeah.
00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:41.039
Um it's great.
00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:43.920
Um what else do you like?
00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:52.480
I like like playing with my friends and like having family movie nights.
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:53.119
Mm-hmm.
00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:53.679
Yeah.
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:55.840
What about kind of any performances?
00:34:56.079 --> 00:34:56.800
Oh, yeah.
00:34:56.800 --> 00:35:00.800
In June, I'm going to do two musical theaters.
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:02.480
And I don't know.
00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:06.639
I mean, you've displayed your singing abilities several times already on this podcast.
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:07.519
Do you like to sing?
00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:17.599
Yeah, I um in chorus last year, I had one of like I was Mary Poppins, and I had a whole song.
00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:18.559
Yes, you did.
00:35:18.559 --> 00:35:21.039
Like it was really fun.
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:22.559
You had a solo.
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:23.760
Yeah, I had a solo.
00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:24.559
It was fun.
00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:32.480
And when I was in kindergarten, I actually did the musical Mary Poppins, and I was a sweep.
00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:33.599
Chimney sweep.
00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:34.639
Chimney sweep, yeah.
00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:35.360
So cool.
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:39.679
You had the cool little hat and the big big pants and the the broom.
00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:41.360
It's so cute.
00:35:41.599 --> 00:35:43.280
The red, the red scarf.
00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:44.320
What was it?
00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:45.119
It's like a babushka.
00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:46.159
It's like a babushka.
00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:47.840
Big like ascot.
00:35:48.079 --> 00:35:49.599
Yeah, it's an ascot kind of thing.
00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:52.079
Uh, what's your what's your favorite musical right now?
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:54.800
Um, like Little Shop of Horrors.
00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:55.440
Oh.
00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:56.159
Yeah.
00:35:56.559 --> 00:35:57.199
Wait, hold on.
00:35:57.199 --> 00:35:57.760
It's fair.
00:35:57.760 --> 00:35:58.880
You just saw that.
00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:01.840
You you're gonna you're gonna say little shop of horrors over wicked?
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:02.800
Oh, wait.
00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:03.760
Um, sorry.
00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:04.400
Wow.
00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:05.119
Cross.
00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:06.800
Wow, redaction.
00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:10.079
Um, wicked.
00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:10.719
Okay.
00:36:11.199 --> 00:36:11.599
So good.
00:36:11.840 --> 00:36:13.599
But little shop of horrors is still fun.
00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:15.360
Yeah, it's my second favorite.
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:16.880
That's a new discovery.
00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:17.360
Yeah.
00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:18.400
That was fun.
00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:19.280
That was fun to watch.
00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:20.880
It was actually a little scary.
00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:21.840
It's a little scary.
00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:22.320
Sudden.
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:23.119
A little dark.
00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:25.519
Yeah, really dark.
00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:26.719
Like really, really dark.
00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:28.239
What was your favorite song?
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:32.639
I've given you sun and water and dirt.
00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:33.920
Oh yeah.
00:36:33.920 --> 00:36:35.440
I mean and soil.
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:38.159
Please grow for me.
00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:39.119
Yeah.
00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:39.679
Yeah.
00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:41.119
That song's fun.
00:36:41.119 --> 00:36:44.320
We're almost done here, but we do have a few more questions.
00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:44.960
Okay.
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:51.599
Um, what's something that people might assume about you that isn't true?
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:53.039
Like, what do you mean?
00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:54.800
Can you explain that more for me?
00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:55.599
Oh, sure.
00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:56.000
Yeah.
00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:56.400
Okay.
00:36:56.400 --> 00:36:57.760
If people know.
00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:00.239
Why do you have to do this?
00:37:03.039 --> 00:37:04.880
Can you explain that further, please?
00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:07.199
This one's turning the SAS to 11.
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:08.800
The gunch is off screen.
00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:10.559
Please keep that.
00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:16.559
Maybe we'll have a bonus like blooper reel behind the scenes.
00:37:16.559 --> 00:37:18.159
Yeah, please, please do that.
00:37:18.159 --> 00:37:19.519
Please do that.
00:37:19.519 --> 00:37:20.480
God, you know what?
00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:23.039
How are we doomed really though?
00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:29.760
Because uh, between us saying, like, oh, you know, hey, be an ethical psychic, like, do it on you, but also being a stage performer.
00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:30.320
Oh, yeah.
00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:33.360
This is a tough, this is a we're threading the needle here.
00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:33.840
Oh yeah.
00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:36.079
We got another Teresa Caputo over here.
00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:36.880
Oh man.
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:41.760
Just wait till your hair grows as three sizes too big, and then you'll understand.
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:46.639
There's a psychic gene who like is very, she's she's a lot.
00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:47.360
She's a lot.
00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:49.199
She's a lot.
00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:55.840
She goes up to people and is like, I I'm talking to you, grandmother, like stuff like that.
00:37:55.840 --> 00:37:57.519
She's got a big personality.
00:37:57.519 --> 00:37:58.239
Anyway.
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:00.159
It's very theatrical.
00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:00.559
Yeah.
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:01.519
So yeah.
00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:02.079
Okay.
00:38:02.079 --> 00:38:06.159
But okay, so if people do you know what assume means?
00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:07.280
Making an assumption?
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:08.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:09.679
Like making an opinion.
00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:10.320
Yeah.
00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:10.960
Yeah.
00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:22.719
So what's something that people might think they know about you, but that's not true because they think they know something about you because you're psychic, but it's not true.
00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:28.000
Like does it have to be can it be about school?
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:29.840
Like well, we're asking.
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:35.840
When people learn that you're psychic, what's something that they might assume about you?
00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:36.880
That's not true.
00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:38.480
That's not true.
00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:39.840
They think you're lying.
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:41.360
Yeah, they think I'm lying.
00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:42.800
What what else?
00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:48.400
Like do they assume like you can talk to spirits just whenever you feel like it?
00:38:48.400 --> 00:38:49.599
Not really.
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:53.519
Do they think, oh, you're psychic?
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:56.000
Like, tell me what number I'm thinking.
00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:57.840
Sometimes.
00:38:57.840 --> 00:38:58.719
Yeah.
00:38:58.719 --> 00:38:59.599
Yeah.
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:03.039
Anything else that they Has someone really said that to you?
00:39:03.039 --> 00:39:04.320
Kind of, yeah.
00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:04.960
Really?
00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:05.360
Yeah.
00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:06.559
That sucks.
00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:08.800
Did you punch him?
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:09.199
No.
00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:10.559
Why would I do that?
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:13.119
What number am I holding behind my back?
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:17.679
You could actually do that.
00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:18.000
It's fine.
00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:18.880
I was joking.
00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:19.760
No, do it.
00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:21.199
Okay, what was it?
00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:22.000
Four.
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:22.480
No.
00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:24.639
She's not psychic.
00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:25.119
Sorry.
00:39:25.199 --> 00:39:26.800
This whole show is a scam.
00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:28.559
What was it?
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:29.440
Two.
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:30.320
Two.
00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:31.519
I I got that.
00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:33.199
I You can't get it halfway.
00:39:33.599 --> 00:39:34.159
I know, I know.
00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:34.960
First I got a two.
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:36.000
No, I got that.
00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:37.760
First I got a two.
00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:39.440
Then I got a four.
00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:40.559
I can't see that.
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:43.280
Where do you see your abilities going?
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:51.519
Do you think you're gonna kinda use them here and there, or do you think that maybe eventually you'll kind of maybe taper off and stop a little bit?
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:56.320
Like, do you want to continue to use your psychic abilities, or do you think you're yeah?
00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:56.719
Yeah.
00:39:57.199 --> 00:39:58.960
What are you hoping to get out of it?
00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:03.280
Like, well, fame and fortune.
00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:04.000
I'm joking.
00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:05.599
I I I don't want that.
00:40:05.599 --> 00:40:06.800
I'm not, I'm not.
00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:07.360
No.
00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:07.840
Mm-mm.
00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:09.679
That's not for me.
00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:10.320
That's funny.
00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:11.119
Nope.
00:40:11.119 --> 00:40:11.760
Mm-mm.
00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:13.280
So what do you want?
00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:22.800
I kind of want like people to like start like rubbing off on me in a good way though.
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:27.199
Like if they're like not talking how I started about doing it.
00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:29.280
You mean you want to start rubbing off on people.
00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:31.519
No, they want to rub off of me.
00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:33.360
I don't think you understand that saying.
00:40:33.679 --> 00:40:34.639
Yeah, you're not getting that saying.
00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:36.960
If you say I You want to be a good influence on other people.
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:40.159
Yes, I want to be a good influence on like kids.
00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:40.639
Oh.
00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:49.199
Like, yeah, like if I I uh first started off not talking about it.
00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:57.760
So I want kids if they're like that with like me, um, I want them to start talking about that with their parents.
00:40:57.760 --> 00:40:59.760
That's really that's really nice.
00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:03.199
And not being shadow being not being like Batman.
00:41:03.199 --> 00:41:05.920
I hide my secrets.
00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:10.800
Wait, do another Batman.
00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:12.960
I hide my secrets.
00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:15.599
That sounded good.
00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:17.119
Thank you.
00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:18.400
That's called some mic work.
00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:18.880
That was good.
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:19.760
Yeah, that was great.
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:23.280
Wait, so Gene, uh, what do you think is your strongest?
00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:26.000
Remember, we've talked about clairs before.
00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:28.079
What do you think is your strongest Claire?
00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:39.360
So that would be um you sense a spirit through your sight, which means you see it either outside of your body or in your mind, or is it hearing?
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:43.360
Or is it sensing?
00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:44.960
Is it knowing?
00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:46.000
Can I have two?
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:46.480
Yeah.
00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:47.039
Okay.
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:47.920
You can have all of them.
00:41:48.159 --> 00:41:48.320
Yeah.
00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:52.559
Some people have all of them, but what do you but some people have a stronger one than others?
00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:58.639
Uh sometimes I'm better at sensing, and sometimes I'm better at just like hearing.
00:41:58.639 --> 00:41:59.199
Huh.
00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:00.960
Or seeing pictures in my head.
00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:02.400
Seeing pictures in your head.
00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:05.280
So that's clairvoyant.
00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:07.519
Well, Jean, yeah.
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:11.440
It has been great talking to you and getting this update.
00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:12.400
Yeah.
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:18.880
It has been great talking to you, even though you're my parents that I talk to every day.
00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:22.559
Thank you so much for spending time with us.
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:31.679
And telling thank you so much for telling your story and for um your honesty and your humor.
00:42:32.079 --> 00:42:34.719
And anything else you want to tell everybody before you go?
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:37.360
That's the end of Bush.
00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:45.119
Wait, give one piece of advice just like for for the kids out there.
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:52.880
If you're listening to this, kids, just always be honest with your parents, and if they don't believe you, okay.
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:58.000
Just like maybe you could talk to other family members.
00:42:58.000 --> 00:42:59.280
So yeah.
00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:00.480
Yeah, there's always someone.
00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:01.599
Yeah, there's always someone.
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:02.639
You know what it says on the side.
00:43:02.719 --> 00:43:04.719
You know what it says on the front of our website right now, Jane?
00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:05.039
What?
00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:07.280
It says, you are not alone.
00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:10.400
And I feel like I feel like that's a really good, it's kind of what you said.
00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:14.719
It's a really good message for the the kids out there who are needing some support, huh?
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:16.400
You are not alone.
00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:17.599
You are not alone.
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:18.719
You are not alone.
00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:20.960
You are but you are home alone.
00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:26.480
Ah shaving cream badness.
00:43:26.480 --> 00:43:27.920
Or whatever it is.
00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:28.960
After shave.
00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:30.239
After shave.
00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:31.199
Oh my god.
00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:35.840
It was a great pleasure being on the podcast for a second time.
00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:39.360
Maybe I'm gonna be on the podcast for a third time.
00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:41.519
Also, I'm her daughter.
00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:44.239
And they lied to you.
00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:45.039
Oh my god.
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:48.239
Can we not end on that, of all things?
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:50.400
You're keeping that.
00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:51.840
Fine.
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:52.239
Okay.
00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:53.360
Alright.
00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:54.239
Thanks, Gene.
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:55.199
Bye, Gene.
00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:55.679
Bye.
00:43:55.679 --> 00:43:57.440
See ya in two seconds.
00:43:57.440 --> 00:43:58.400
See ya.
00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:03.519
And that is Gene, ladies and gentlemen.
00:44:03.519 --> 00:44:08.719
The blood of my blood.
00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:12.000
Bone of my bone.
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:14.480
She she's a real one.
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:21.280
You know, she did complain about us being talking about ghosts too much.
00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:23.199
But here's what here's what happened, right?
00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:23.920
It's her fault.
00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:24.880
I hope she knows that.
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:25.920
I will blame her.
00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:26.559
Don't worry.
00:44:26.559 --> 00:44:34.800
This shot us off in our own direction as a as a as a couple, as a as a twin flame in one lovely package.
00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:36.960
Of course you are.
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:37.519
Oh.
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:40.239
We've never used that term before.
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:41.519
Because it's kind of lame.
00:44:41.679 --> 00:44:42.320
It's weird.
00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:43.119
Is it weird?
00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:44.159
Is that judgmental?
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:44.719
Sorry.
00:44:44.960 --> 00:44:46.480
Sorry to all you twin flames out there.
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:47.119
Sorry.
00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:48.480
And I love you, twin flames.
00:44:48.719 --> 00:44:49.840
I don't even know what a twin flame is.
00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:50.800
I don't know what it means.
00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:52.320
Um anywho.
00:44:53.039 --> 00:44:55.039
Shut us off in our own direction.
00:44:55.039 --> 00:45:01.119
And uh, you know, most people are, you know, like we've talked on the show before.
00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:05.039
Hey, how about them dodgers and stuff like that after work?
00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:08.880
Or like, oh man, the real housewives of Pensacola.
00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:13.119
There's it's so why is that the first place that came to my mind?
00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:14.800
Right off right off the top of your head.
00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:15.920
That is insane.
00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:21.039
It was just and I'm sorry, this is just a download, Pensacola.
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:23.679
It just came to me.
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:33.199
Anyway, they you know, they want to be like casual people, but uh for two years we've been having almost weekly revelations, and sometimes the kids are there for it.
00:45:33.199 --> 00:45:34.159
Sorry, guys.
00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:47.920
Yeah, but I will say that that as far as like the household they grow up in, yes, we talk about Teen Titans, yes, we talk about not just DC, we talk about Marvel, we talk about Wicked, yeah, we talk about Potoman, his amazing friends, yeah.
00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:52.159
And sometimes we talk about ghosts and healing and all this weird shit.
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:52.880
Yeah.
00:45:53.199 --> 00:46:07.199
But it's a it's fun, it's fun, and yeah, sometimes someone comes upstairs and says, Oh, hey, there's a ghost downstairs, and nine times out of ten these days, it's listen, I'm cooking dinner and I uh can you just ask them what they want?
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:16.880
And like, no joke, and it's fine, it's just part of the like fabric of our reality now, and it's not that strange.
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:26.559
Well, now also we have to do the work of like it's not a matter of I don't believe you because ghosts aren't real.
00:46:26.559 --> 00:46:32.719
It's okay, how much of this is like you know, our son just turned four.
00:46:32.719 --> 00:46:46.079
How much of this is like three, four-year-old imagination, like get out of here, ghosts! Yeah, and like you know, you're you're fighting like what you think I don't know, it is like a made-up story.
00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:49.760
Yeah, I have like versus actually seeing someone in your room.
00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:54.800
They like get out of bed so often that I put like a little security cam in their room years ago.
00:46:54.800 --> 00:46:57.840
So whenever I hear something like that, I'll go review the tapes.
00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:04.639
And and sometimes it'll be like, our son just legitimately saw his own shadow on the wall and yelled at it.
00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:14.159
I think however I wanted I just wanted to say sometimes the people that are skepti skeptical out there are skeptical for a good reason.
00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:15.280
Kids make shit up.
00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:15.760
Yeah.
00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:23.679
And we are very carefully trying to train our kids that the art of discernment, which is important for adults too, right?
00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:28.960
Uh, you know, how do you how do you differ between your imagination versus what's actually coming in?
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:29.280
Yeah.
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:34.400
There is a difference, and the difference is so slight that you have to be you have to be mature about it.
00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:37.920
And kids, by definition, are not mature.
00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:40.400
And it takes a little bit of guiding.
00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:44.880
Well, it's also like teaching them ethical mediumship.
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:59.280
Like Jean is now old enough for us to say, hey, listen, being unethical can hurt people who are really grieving the loss of a friend, family member, or pet.
00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:02.079
So don't make stuff up.
00:48:02.079 --> 00:48:10.480
Don't use your imagination to connect the story or create a narrative around little tiny bits of information.
00:48:10.480 --> 00:48:14.400
Like if you if you get a name, great.
00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:16.559
If not, do not make it up.
00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:21.199
If you sense like the way someone speaks, tell us that.
00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:23.280
If not, don't make it up.
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:32.400
Like we keep, you know, we've learned so much from all of these psychic mediums that we've talked to that we're able to say use ethics.
00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:37.199
Because I feel like that's a huge theme from what we've learned from everybody.
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:37.920
Yeah.
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:45.280
And not putting your own, you know, an eight-year-old is gonna want to embellish a story a little bit because oh, that's more interesting.
00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:47.199
Well, there's it's not just embellish either.
00:48:47.199 --> 00:48:49.679
It's like want wanting to get it right, right?
00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:50.239
Yeah, yeah.
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:55.519
That thing that we're training them in school, hey, like do your best, like learn the facts, do all the stuff.
00:48:55.519 --> 00:49:00.320
That same that same skill set does not tran translate into psychism.
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:00.800
Yeah.
00:49:01.039 --> 00:49:03.119
It's it's like you can't dig for the answer.
00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:04.000
You can't work for it.
00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:05.599
You literally have to not work for it.
00:49:05.599 --> 00:49:06.960
You have to turn all that stuff off.
00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:07.360
Yeah.
00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:14.320
So, I mean, it's it's a it's admittedly a difficult, a difficult dichotomy to navigate.
00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:14.880
Yeah.
00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:25.440
Truthfully, we found out three years ago when this all happened, and we might not have known if it wasn't for the yard duty, Miss D.
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:31.039
Yeah, who stopped me at drop off and said, Do you know your daughter has a gift?
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:33.119
And I said, What do you mean?
00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:39.440
She was five years old and running off on the 100th day of school in a little old lady outfit.
00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:40.639
Oh my god, that's right.
00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:42.159
She was dressed as an old lady that day.
00:49:42.320 --> 00:49:42.559
Yeah.
00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:44.079
I was like, What do you mean?
00:49:44.079 --> 00:49:48.559
And then she told me the story, and I came home and told Frank.
00:49:48.800 --> 00:49:54.639
And we were like, This Frank, who's sitting comfortably in his uh, what do you want to call it?
00:49:54.639 --> 00:49:57.519
I'm gonna call it sustainable trauma, right?
00:49:57.519 --> 00:50:03.360
I'm I'm I'm sweating uh editing a video for a corporate company.
00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:03.920
Yeah.
00:50:04.079 --> 00:50:14.000
Uh it's I hate the video, I hate what I'm doing, and then I am told that uh my daughter heard a voice in her head and go, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:14.719
What?
00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:20.880
So this was a week after it actually happened.
00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:28.159
And because it was so natural to Gene, she didn't tell us about it.
00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:30.400
But also, she wasn't super comfortable with it.
00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:30.960
Not at all.
00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:33.760
She has no, this is not, you know, think about this.
00:50:33.760 --> 00:50:35.519
You're four, four, five.
00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:38.000
You're five, you've been living your life, you get it.
00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:40.400
You get it now, you know everything, right?
00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:48.320
And and suddenly this little like voice pops up in your head and tells you to tell a stranger something as egregious as your mom died.
00:50:48.320 --> 00:50:52.320
You know, she had there's no there's no guidelines around this.
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:52.880
Yeah.
00:50:53.039 --> 00:51:04.719
And and she uh being uh well, I I said a very entertaining and enthusiastic kid, when something comes across her desk that she doesn't quite understand, she shuts down.
00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:06.239
That's a burial right there.
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:12.000
She buries anything she doesn't quite get, and um maybe it'll come up later.
00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:17.440
Well, and she she just signed it off as like, my brain is smart and it tells me things.
00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:23.920
So when we asked her later that day, did anything interesting happen recently?
00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:25.119
And she was like, No.
00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:27.199
Like, can you think of anything?
00:51:27.199 --> 00:51:31.119
She's like, Oh yeah, we got to use tablets in the class.
00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:33.280
No, no, anything with Miss D.
00:51:33.280 --> 00:51:36.559
And she's like, Oh yeah, I know that her mom died.
00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:40.159
Like, okay, okay, we're getting somewhere.
00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:42.559
And then she did not want to talk anymore about it.
00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:43.760
We're like, was it your voice?
00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:45.039
Was it someone else's voice?
00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:47.599
And she's like, it was I think it was someone else.
00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:57.760
And that's the other interesting thing about like kind of digging for answers, is the more you dig, oftentimes they feel like they're expected to come up with answers.
00:51:58.000 --> 00:51:58.320
Yeah.
00:51:58.639 --> 00:52:05.599
So she starts, we're digging, so she starts digging, and then we start getting answers that aren't like that just don't line up, right?
00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:06.079
Yeah.
00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:08.800
Or like it'll change from like minute to minute.
00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:13.679
And even though we still have that core foundation, that's core truth of like, no, this happened.
00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:14.000
Yeah.
00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:15.920
We're just trying to know more about it.
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:23.679
So, you know, yes, five-year-olds might not be the most reliable people to get real detailed information from, as it turns out.
00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:29.280
She said, tell her that tell her that her mom died.
00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:31.039
Like, okay.
00:52:31.599 --> 00:52:38.159
What she did say is that the voice kept saying it over and over again in my head until I did it, and then it went away.
00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:38.559
Yeah.
00:52:38.719 --> 00:52:46.960
And I was like, well, that's A, cool, B, creepy, and C, oh my God, I think we need to talk to somebody.
00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:48.400
Let's make a podcast.
00:52:48.800 --> 00:52:51.440
Which was didn't happen till six months later.
00:52:51.599 --> 00:52:52.000
Yeah.
00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:57.039
Because then we would try to, you know, then you ask her a question, she's like, Can we stop talking about this?
00:52:57.039 --> 00:53:06.719
And then casually, you know, a month or two later, she's like, I think someone in our house, I think someone died in our house a long time ago, but they're nice.
00:53:06.719 --> 00:53:07.920
Like, what?
00:53:09.199 --> 00:53:09.519
Yeah.
00:53:09.760 --> 00:53:10.400
What do you mean?
00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:12.880
The like, and then she doesn't give any more information.
00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:18.159
The daily blindness of not knowing what she's experiencing was like too much.
00:53:18.159 --> 00:53:20.960
For I mean, you know, we know what human design is and stuff.
00:53:20.960 --> 00:53:22.639
I had no idea what the hell I was talking about.
00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:22.960
Yeah.
00:53:23.119 --> 00:53:24.320
I'm I'm an investigator.
00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:26.079
I want to know a little bit about a lot of it.
00:53:26.239 --> 00:53:26.559
Yes.
00:53:26.800 --> 00:53:28.960
And I was like, oh no.
00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:34.480
I feel like ghost adventures is not the greatest source of information for this shit right now.
00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:36.639
Yeah.
00:53:36.639 --> 00:53:48.800
But then, you know, at some point the the fear became really strong, and she started having nightmares and and sometimes acting a little funny, like not quite herself, and that was weird.
00:53:48.800 --> 00:53:49.360
Yeah.
00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:55.679
And it felt like really intense, and it felt like maybe this is more than just five-year-old middle of the night fears.
00:53:55.679 --> 00:53:57.519
So that's when we turned to Dr.
00:53:57.519 --> 00:54:04.400
Clare and started getting some clarity around the situation.
00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:11.280
We started having nightly mantras, creating boundaries in, you know, uh around the room.
00:54:11.599 --> 00:54:11.760
Yeah.
00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:16.719
Boundaries, protection, all the basic stuff that we didn't even fully understand what we were doing, but we were doing it anyway.
00:54:16.880 --> 00:54:17.360
Yeah.
00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:17.840
Yeah.
00:54:18.079 --> 00:54:24.239
And then we said, let's see if we can enhance our own intuition and start a podcast.
00:54:24.239 --> 00:54:27.039
And so here we are.
00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:33.440
One time, one time Jean was literally asleep and I couldn't find something, and she started talking and she told me where to find it.
00:54:33.440 --> 00:54:34.480
And I'm like, it's not there.
00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:36.000
And then she's like, look harder.
00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:37.920
Her eyes were closed, she's lying in bed.
00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:39.679
And I looked again, it was there.
00:54:39.679 --> 00:54:44.239
And I said, Okay, what is this?
00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:47.920
Because it felt very not her.
00:54:48.159 --> 00:54:48.880
It was weird.
00:54:50.239 --> 00:54:50.960
What did she say?
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Like, it's on the left.
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It was it was her soccer sock, but it was in my room in a pile of laundry that I needed to like go through.
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And it was on your left.
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She said it was on the left.
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So and she was laying in bed and I was facing her.
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She was laying on my bed, she'd fallen asleep there.
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And yeah, when she's like, it's on the left.
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She's five.
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She's like, it's on the left.
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I figured she meant her left and I couldn't find it.
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And then I thought, maybe she meant my left.
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There's no way.
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And we had torn the room apart.
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Yeah.
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That's what was so crazy.
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Soccer game the next day, you know.
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Look harder.
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That was wild.
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It was like under a pile.
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There's no way that she would have even known it was in our room to begin with.
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But like I legitimately, she was either asleep or in some kind of like half-sleep trance.
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It was the weird thing.
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Yeah.
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I grabbed the sock, I brushed off the chills, and I was like, oh, uh, okay.
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What's next?
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And then we have our four-year-old son, who, when he was um maybe a year, year and a half.
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He wasn't speaking yet, so he was like around a year old.
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I was bringing him back to bed in the middle of the night.
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He's crying.
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He wants to leave his room.
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Suddenly, I'm standing in front of his crib.
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He and I are the only ones in there, and he stops crying.
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And he just reached his hand out and stared at something.
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And I was like, what are you doing?
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This is very early on.
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I don't think we had even started the podcast yet.
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And then he forgets about it, starts crying again, wants to leave the room, stops again, puts his hand out, and I'm like, okay.
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And I'm holding him and he took my head the back of my head.
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He liked to make me and Frank a kiss sometimes.
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But Frank wasn't in the room.
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He would grab our heads and push them together.
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Yeah.
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I'm like, that's nice and green.
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I thought it was funny.
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And Frank wasn't in the room, but he took my head to try and get me to kiss whoever was standing in front of him that I could not see.
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I said, it was like midnight, and I was like, that's enough.
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Brought him out to Frank, and I said, our our psychic children are freaking me out tonight.
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You gotta handle this.
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Honestly, I truly believe that he probably saw my brother Ian standing at the crib because he stopped crying and like, you know, was was fine.
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But Yeah, and with the help of Dr.
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Clara, we knew that that that Uncle Ian was around a lot later.
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Yeah, after that.
00:57:23.760 --> 00:57:32.880
But yeah, uh quite a few series of things that uh were just like, well, I guess this is our this is our norm now.
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And the other thing that he's been doing, which is very funny, is he has telepathy.
00:57:38.800 --> 00:57:40.000
Telepathy?
00:57:40.239 --> 00:57:40.559
Yeah.
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He has telepathy.
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Uh he shouldn't know the answers to somewhat complex math as a as a three-year-old.
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Especially when one of us just had thought of the answer, and then he blurts out fourteen.
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It's fine.
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And then he doesn't even know how to count up to 14.
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And he added seven plus seven, but it was really just that he heard me say it in my mind.
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And then one time he told Gene, we were all eating breakfast, and he goes, he out of nowhere, he goes, We don't have lucky charms.
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And Gene looked at him and said, What?
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And he's oh, we don't have lucky charms.
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And she's like, I didn't say, Oh my god, Dad, Lyndon just read my mind.
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I was just thinking, I wish we had lucky charms.
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And he said, I we don't have any lucky charms.
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And I was like, Oh, what are we supposed to do with that?
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Why are there no secrets anymore?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's gonna be interesting to see how things either develop or maybe he'll maybe he'll lose it.
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I don't know.
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We talk about it so much that it's just the norm here now, and it'll be interesting to hear how he talks about things in the in the future.
00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:53.599
Yeah.
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Dr.
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Clare did say that one day in the future that uh Lyndon would treat it as a party trick and make everybody be like, what how the hell did you know that or do that?
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And he'll be like, I don't know.
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And I don't know, throw back a jello shot.
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I hope he's 21.
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Yeah.
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Well, now you now you know, now you know more.
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That's all.
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That's what's up here.
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And you know, there was like, especially Gene, our little honest, honest gal, as we mentioned in the interview.
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She felt really uncomfortable with the fact that we weren't that we weren't telling the truth.
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And we were like, Gene, we're protecting your your truth.
00:59:38.159 --> 00:59:38.639
Okay.
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She's like, okay, but still, you're lying to your listeners.
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So sorry for lying.
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Yeah.
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We have a stronger ethics commission than anyone in the government right now.
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So yeah.
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Little Gene.
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Well, guys, we'll see you next week.
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See you next week.
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We love you.
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Love you, dude.
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