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Welcome to Across the Hooniverse, a Doctor Who Marathon podcast.
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I'm your friendly neighborhood Time Lord Chelsea and I'm your Muppet of a Time Lord Page.
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And y'all, it's only iconic guests for these iconic episodes.
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So first, Katrina, my girl.
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I feel like we get into a lot of like hoonanigans together.
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How are you?
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I'm doing good.
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Um happy to be on this podcast talking about my one of my favorite shows.
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So yeah.
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I love it.
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And Brian, my returning companion, how are you?
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I'm doing alright so far.
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Just trying to keep my head up as always.
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And I'm just happy to see your face and hear your voice and to be back on the podcast to talk about all things Doctor Who.
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It's a great time, y'all.
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This is a great escape from the horrors of the world.
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So don't worry, we're gonna talk about other horrors from our past.
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Good luck.
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But Katrina, this is your first appearance on the show.
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Tell us a little bit about your who's story and how you fell in love with the show.
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So it's been a little over 10 years.
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Um my ex introduced me to it, and I think we watched like one episode together, and then he was just like, Oh, okay, this is this is kind of like not really my thing.
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But then I like kept watching and just uh I think this is back when it was still on Netflix, and I just like binge watched up until um Peter Capaldi, and then I finally got to see like a season with everyone else with Peter Capaldi.
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So um, and then like a couple years later, so people kept saying, Oh, you should go to the Doctor Convention in Los Angeles, and then one day I was like, Hey, it's around my birthday, why not go?
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So I went and I met people from around the world, people that I'm still friends with today.
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It's like uh like a family reunion, and then um I finally met Chelsea in person at the Chicago Who.
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Yes, we went to a Chicago TARDIS this past year and got into so many hoonanigans together.
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Yes, yes, and like that was my first time being there, which is strange because it's like I'm from the Chicago area.
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How come I didn't go there first?
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But you know, you know, you had to go big before you could go home.
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I like that, so I'm definitely gonna do that again.
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Um, I've done like different panels at both conventions, I've done some TARDIS talks.
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So I'm it's it's my world.
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I mean, I literally name my cat Gallifrey, and when I I'm scooping her litter box or feeding her, I'm like, I serve for the glory of Gallifrey.
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So that is brilliant.
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I love that.
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That's great.
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No, you are one of my favorite people.
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You are the person's like, let's do cosplay.
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Chelsea, are you gonna do a cosplay at Chicago TARDIS?
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I'm like, I am now.
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That is the energy you bring.
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You're just such a positive person, and I love you, and I'm so glad you're on the show.
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I'm so happy to be here too.
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Yes, you know, Brian, as a returning companion, tell us about one of your favorite companions on the show.
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Well, as someone who recently binge-watched Doctor Who, there are like too many good companions to choose from.
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I'm a huge fan of Martha.
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Yes, I adore River Song, and not just because I've been crushing on Alex Kingston since the days of ER.
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Oh, yeah.
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And I'm a fan of and I'm a huge fan of Amy Pond as well.
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Oh, yes.
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I love that I asked this question, and here's the thing: I love every companion, so my response is always gonna be, oh, hell yeah.
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Yes, let's do this.
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There aren't all bad answers, aren't they?
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There's no bad answers except Adam.
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Yeah.
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Exactly.
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Not all male companions, but somehow always a male companion.
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Exactly.
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Always a male companion.
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And then both of you promote your social medias here at the top.
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We'll do it again at the end, but just in case people don't always listen to the very end spiels.
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Katrina, where can people find you on social medias?
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Instagram stuff is Katrina T.
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Parker.
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Um, I'm on hiatus for my podcast.
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Quirky pop.
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I'm hoping to get back to that soon.
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Um, but like you can find Quirky Pop Podcasts and stuff too if you want to look at some of the old stuff and follow those socials.
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I'm no longer on X.
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I got rid of that account, but uh, same.
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I get it.
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And then Brian, where can the wonderful listeners find your work?
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Because you're always writing up something great.
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I'm trying to at least.
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People can find me on Blue Sky and Instagram as Hellresident NY.
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You can find my work on pajiva.com and some of my older work on uprocks.com.
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And I'm going back and forth as to whether I should go the newsletter route and if and when that happens, and if I'm invited back, if I if I'm invited back here to discuss more of Dr.
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Ushinak.
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Oh, you'll be invited.
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I am a bully.
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You live in the TARDIS now with us.
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Exactly.
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Sorry.
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We kidnap our favorite companions over and over.
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Yeah.
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Well, I certainly have no complaints whatsoever due to the company.
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So but when I do decide to go the newsletter route, I'll be sure to let you and everyone else know what's up and where to find it.
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Perfect.
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We'll link everything in the show notes, everyone.
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But let's dive in.
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We're doing two episodes today.
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It's maybe one of the most iconic two-parters of the whole series.
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It's series one, episodes nine and ten, The Empty Child and the Doctor Dances, written by Stephen Moffitt, directed by James Hawes.
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This originally aired, we're gonna feel old, on the 21st and 28th of May 2005, and it features The Night Doctor, Rose Tyler, Captain Jack Harkness, Nancy, and The Empty Child.
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And we're going all the way back in time to the London Blitz in 1941.
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Y'all, before we get too deep in the weeds, what is like your first memories and like overall impressions of this episode?
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Because I remember when I first watched it, I'm like, oh, this is really good.
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And then I when I got older and watched it as a real adult, I'm like, oh, this is heartbreaking and beautiful, and I'm so happy.
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I would say, because like I watched it as an adult the first time.
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It it was like heartbreaking and and touching at the same time.
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Like I think the first time I watched it, like towards the end, I started crying of the second episode.
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Like the one thing about like the show is like the things that are happening to the companions you find yourself like in it too.
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So like when Rose was on that uh the rope thing I was like, I went to my hands, and I'm like, how long could I have held on before you know Jack came?
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Or like, you know, with that one Doctor Who episode uh smile, like I found myself like grinning like through the first like ten minutes of the show.
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I'm like, you're not there, you don't have to grin.
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Like, why are you doing this?
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Hey, you never know what's gonna happen anymore.
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You never know.
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Yeah, yeah.
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My first impression was that I definitely went from feeling very freaked out due to the presence of the child and all the transformations to feeling heartbroken about what all the kids were going through, and then feeling my cold black misentropic heart grow about three sizes by the end of the second episode.
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Oh yeah, you had your whole grinch moment.
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Oh yeah.
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If you've seen it, you know the line, you know the moment, and it's kinda hard not to feel that way and to have and to have that Grinch moment when you when you do see it.
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So yeah, definitely seeing it again is just like especially if you've gone a long time without seeing it, there are like certain plot twists that will throw you for a loop all over again.
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Just like, oh yeah, that's who you are.
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Oh damn.
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Wow, I'm surprised I didn't see that coming.
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I know.
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It's the fun part about re-watching this show is picking up on all the things you forgot about.
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Paige, what was your initial impressions the first time you watched this, way back in your youth?
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And what about now?
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I was trying to think, I'm pretty sure that since I watched the series out of order initially, because I came in at a later time and I would catch reruns on TV.
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I was long.
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I know.
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Spoilers.
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I was mostly excited in this one to see Jack because I already knew Jack and I was like, oh, it's his first episode.
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That's so exciting.
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Uh iconic character, even if we're not talking about the actor.
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You know, um, every bad male actor in this first series, we really just don't talk about him or Mitchell guy or Mickey.
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It's it's rough.
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Rough out there, the less said, the less said about them, the better.
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Yeah.
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So as we talk about these characters and how much we love them, we're talking about the characters and do not condone the very poor behavior of many a men.
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No, we don't condone that.
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No, I was excited to see the character, and also, like, just like everyone else said, this two-parter takes you through a whole range of emotions, the entire spectrum.
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And I did get a much different experience watching it as an adult, like you said, Chelsea, than watching it when I was like a preteen or whatever.
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It hits a little different when you're a little older, and also there's a lot more war around us right now.
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We're just like, oh, if only we could have these moments.
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But I'm gonna do some of the TARDIS wiki synopsis of these episodes before we dive into the full plot.
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So the empty child chasing a metallic object through the time vortex, the ninth doctor and his companion Rose Tyler arrive in London during the blitz.
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While Rose meets Captain Jack Harkness, the dashing time agent responsible for bringing the object, the doctor finds a group of homeless children terrorized by Jamie, an empty child wearing a gas mask.
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And then the doctor dances.
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The child's plague is spreading throughout wartime London, and its zombie army is on the march.
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The Ninth Doctor and Rose form an alliance with intergalactic con man Captain Jack, but find themselves trapped in an abandoned hospital.
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They head to the crash site of Jack's supposed space junk and discover the ground zero for the mysterious plague.
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Y'all, I feel like the core problem of this episode is men just be doing dumb shit and hurting people because they ain't thinking.
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Captain Jack, come on.
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You just be doing dumb shit.
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Look at all the harm you caused.
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That's a recurring theme throughout this first series, honestly, with the men.
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They just be doing stuff.
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It just makes me think of Adam getting the little head implant again.
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And I'm like, yeah, no, don't do that.
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It's gonna be like snap, baby.
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It's gonna open up and it looks gross.
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I wonder if like maybe we know that like Jack he has some of his memory erase.
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Like, would the Jack before then had made such a decision, you wonder?
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Because he doesn't have those experiences and stuff.
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So we wonder, he's missing two years.
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Yeah.
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Well, fortunately and unfortunately, you're not wrong about how often men just keep fucking things up, whether they intend to or not.
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And in Jack's case, meet seeing him in this episode and meeting him for the first time, he kind of reminds me of John Constantine in a way from from the comics, and that he's a very charming, pansexual con man who just seems to do to do whatever he wants and not really care about the consequences of his actions until you know they get right they clock him right in the face, and then he finally attempts to start doing the right thing to turn things around.
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It's the con man with a heart of gold thing.
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It's like he is m messing things up.
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He thinks it's harmless because he's just gonna steal money from rich people essentially.
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But it's like oopsies, you actually hurt a lot of people.
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And now what are you gonna do to rectify that?
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Exactly.
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And that's where like I like to see his heroic side come out, especially later in the show.
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He's a character that definitely grows.
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Yeah, it does make for good entertainment, so there is that.
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Y'all, the way this episode opens, I love that we just see the TARDIS just crashing through space chasing this weird metallic cylinder all through space and time.
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I do like that it's code mauve, the universally recognized color for danger, because red is camp to the galaxy, and only humans think red is danger.
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I love the personicity of it all.
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The doctor hacks the cylinder's flight to track it, and it just like goes where it goes.
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And eventually it jumps time tracks, and the cylinder's about 30 seconds away from crashing into the heart of London when we smash to credits.
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Y'all, we need more opening credits.
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I'm gonna say it every episode forever and ever.
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And then the TARDIS materializes in an empty alley in London at night, and the doctor and Rose set off to look for the object, with the doctor noting it's been a couple weeks, maybe a month, since the cylinder crashed, and because it jumped time tracks, and honestly, the TARDIS couldn't keep up.
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The TARDIS likes to play little reindeer games.
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The doctor hears music and follows it, but Rose hears a child and wanders in a different path because the child's calling for its mother and she sees a little boy in a gas mask on the roof.
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I mean, which one would you follow?
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The child in a gas mask or the music?
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I feel like the safer one is the music.
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I would follow the child though, because since I work with kids, if I see a child by themselves in public, I'm like, where is your mom or dad?
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I mean, they want to know too.
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Yeah.
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Where's my mommy?
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Uh it's kind of hard for me because it's like I I prefer being safe.
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So, like, if I didn't see the kid, I just would have been like, I'm going to to the music.
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Because like I I would have been like thinking it's a trap or something.
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You're not dying first in this horror film.
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Right.
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Right.
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I am.
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I'm dying first because I'm like, oh no, where's the kid?
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Brian, are you dying first or are you gonna go have a nice cabaret with Liza?
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On one hand, the music is very tempting, and who knows what kind of underground club I could end up in.
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I could swing around a lantern, which would be the 1941 version of swinging around a glow stick, while you know, getting, you know, while cutting a rug.
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On the other hand, I look at, you know, child looking for their mom, and as twisted as it sounds, depending on the race, I might help them out if it's a little white kid is like Do I help this kid and possibly get myself in trouble and put on blast in the newspapers or what?
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So I might have to do like two-facing flip a coin to decide what my path will be, but I'd probably end up going towards the music.
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There you go.
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You gotta be honest.
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I feel like, hmm.
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I probably would get killed first because much like Paige, I've worked with children, and I'm like, where's your parent?
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Let's go figure this out.
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But my heart would be in that cabaret club.
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And that's where the doctor's heart is, because he's following the music.
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And when the singer finishes her amazing set, he steps on stage and just asks the whole audience if something has fallen from the sky recently, and the audience just laughs in his face.
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And then a siren starts ringing and they're evacuating the shelter, and the doctor's looking around trying to figure out why it's weird.
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And then he finally reads the room and reads the posters where he discovers it's 1941 and he's landed in the middle of the London Blitz.
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This is a pretty good joke setup.
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I know it's like on the nose, but it's pretty funny still.
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Meanwhile, Rose is outside and has followed the child to the roof of the building.
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This is where I think I'm out.
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I'm not going up to a roof of a building because then she sees the child standing on top of a cargo container.
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At this point, I'd be asking, How'd the child get to the container?
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And suddenly a rope is dangled in front of her.
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And this is how you know she's gonna die first in the horror film because she grabs it and it just starts rising because it's attached to a barrage of balloons, which are like the big heavy balloons designed to damage any planes that fly through during war.
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And she's really regretting her Union Jack shirt as she holds onto the rope and bombers fly right past her.
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Rose is dying first in this horror film, as all I can think of.
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The shirt is a crazy choice.
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It's a choice.
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All of her rope wardrobe is always a choice.
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Yeah, Rose would be the one to die first in a scream movie in the opening scene.
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Oh, yeah, she's Drew Barrymore.
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A cat girl.
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And then the doctor's back outside searching for Rose, and he finds a cat outside instead.
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And he's just lamenting to the kitty that one day people will listen to him when he says, Don't wander off.
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And I think the doctor should have kept the cat.
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The cat should have just lived in the TARDIS.
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That was what I was thinking.
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It was a good cat.
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Yeah.
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We need a TARDIS cat.
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It just seems right.
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They're right.
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Cats make everything better.
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They do.
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The nice ginger cat.
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Yeah.
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Finally they'll be ginger.
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But then the exterior phone of the TARDIS starts ringing, and it's the doctor is confused because it's not a real phone.
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It's not supposed to work.
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And then suddenly a woman appears and tells the doctor that the call isn't for him.
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And as he goes to scan the phone with his sonic, she just disappears.
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Again, this is a horror film.
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He answers the phone, and the voice on the other side asks, Are you my mummy?
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A few times before the call ends, and the doctor hears a noise down the alley and sees a woman and her husband abandoning their dinner to take shelter from the air raid.
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But then the doctor spots the young woman from earlier.
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She's sneaking into that house to steal some food from the cupboard.
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But she also spots a big old dinner and whistles to the children to follow her.
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Y'all, I like Nancy.
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And as she's serving dinner, like telling the kids, go wash up, one slice each, better see you chewing your food.
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The doctor appears just at the table and clocks that all the children are homeless.
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And the young woman Nancy just takes care of them.
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And the doctor wonders why they didn't evacuate to the countryside, but the kids are like, no, we just came back.
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Remember that guy he made us work, whatever.
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And the doctor is so impressed that Nancy uses the air raids as a time to feed the homeless children and isn't sure if it's Marxism and Action or a West End musical.
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Because the whole time I'm just thinking, there, these are like a bunch of different films all mashed into one, and I love it.
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It just feels like every old musical trope at once.
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You got some Oliver in there and a little bit of cabaret.
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I'm like, let's do this.
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And then the doctor shows the kids a drawing of a cylinder and asks if they've seen it, but suddenly there's a knock on the window and the voice of a child asking for its mother.
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And Nancy's freaked out.
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She's like, kids, doctor, did you lock the door?
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She runs and goes to deadbolt it before ordering the kids to escape out the back entrance.
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And then Nancy tells the doctor, it's not exactly a child, it's just empty.
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And this is the scary part where the kid, like the arm just goes through the mail slot and you see this weird lightning scar on its hand.
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Y'all, that freaked me out.
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And so, like, after the mail slot part, Nancy tells the doctor, don't touch him or he'll turn into him.
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Mm-mm.
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Katrina.
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Yeah.
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Well, I was gonna say, like when you were talking about the different movies that come to mind in that scene, um, especially when they were at the table talking about being like sent out.
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I thought a bit not some broomsticks.
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Yes.
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It felt like a little bit of that, a little bit of hook was in there as well.
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It's just, I mean, you get a bunch of cute kids together, like dirty them up.
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But y'all, again, I'm freaked out by this male slot arm, little scar, and Nancy's like, don't touch him or you'll turn into him.
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And then the phone rings, and the doctor hears the repeated request for the child's mummy, and Nancy just hangs up and explains that it has the ability to make calls even from phones that don't work, explaining why it was able to call the TARDIS.
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And then the doctor speaks to the child through the door, telling it that he isn't its mummy, but the child tells the doctor he's scared of the bombs.
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Uh, and this is where the doctor is just like big heart is gonna just try to help this creature at this point.
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And he just opens up the door, but the child's not on the other side.
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Eventually, Nancy circles back and tells him that if the doctor wants some answers, they need to speak to the doctor, and she shows him a nearby hospital, and the doctor asks who she lost, and she meets she was looking for food one day when the cylinder fell, and her little brother Jamie followed her, and he died during an air raid.
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Everyone put a pen in that.
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I really like Nancy in this episode.
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This little actress, she was acting her butt off.
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She's really good.
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She's running things, she has a whole system.
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Honestly, she's very efficient.
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Good for her.
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She is.
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I want to know like when people come back after being.
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Being in the shelter and they try to find their dinner what they think happened to it.
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Yeah.
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It was the it was the children, the empty children, took all the food.
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But y'all, let's circle back to Rose because she's just dangling from this rope, and she's spotted by a man in a Royal Air Force uniform, and he's just checking her out through his binoculars, complimenting her bottom.
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He's flirting with this British army officer who calls him Jack before telling him he has to meet a girl.
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I mean, that tells you everything you need to know about Jack.
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He's flirting with any and everyone.
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Which, very radical for its time, y'all.
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Remember 2005?
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Times were bad.
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Yes.
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Roseman starts to like lose her grip and like about to fall to her death until a blue beam catches her and she hears Jack's voice telling her, turn off your phone, keep your limbs in the light.
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And eventually she slides down the beam into his ship and right into his arms.
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I mean, I get it.
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That is one charming way to meet a man.
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And he introduces himself as a soldier and hands her his ID, but Rose immediately clocks at its psychic paper and gives it back to him.
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I like that he's just going on and on about it though.
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And she's like, uh-huh, uh-huh.
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No, that's not real.
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What'd y'all think of their little meet cute?
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It was cute, but then I'm like noticing how he mentions like her having a boyfriend named Mickey, but like she's like uh what was the word?
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Like very available, very available, yeah, yeah.
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And it's like she knew that, but then you know, episodes later, she got mad when Mickey was dating Tristy the Lady.
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I think that's her name.
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So it's just like, come on, girl, you are dating through space and time right now.
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You cannot put some boundaries on this relationship with Mickey.
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Let Mickey live.
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She has like three love interests at this point.
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So many at least.
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You need to live your best life, and he needs to live his best life too.
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Especially again, like you just said, since you're traveling through time and space.
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I mean, what are rules?
00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:08.880
Exactly.
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What are rules?
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But no, like after all this cute little stuff and like calling each other out, he uses his ship's little nano genes to heal her rope burn, which I could use some nano genes in my life.
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These dogs are after me at this point.
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And Jack just asks if she's a time agent, but also just assumes.
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And he says that he's been expecting one to show up at this point and invites her to a drink on the balcony, and they dance to Glenn Miller as they float by Big Ben.
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And he's trying to make a deal with her thinking she's a time agent, and she's just rolling with it, thinking he's a professional.
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He's he knows what he's doing, he's gonna help her.
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And then eventually he reveals they're looking for a fully equipped warship and offers to get it for her and the time agency for the right price, but she says she'll have to ask her companion.
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Y'all, I like that they're kind of conning each other in this moment.
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She's getting information, he thinks he's getting money.
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It's like something out of a 40 screwball comedy.
00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:09.519
Exactly.
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Bring back very elaborate dating tropes.
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The doctor goes to this hospital though, like he's he's having his own scary adventure while she's in a rom-com.
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So Nancy shows in this hospital and he goes exploring.
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He finds beds full of these like corpses wearing gas masks, and he meets Dr.
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Constantine and invites the doctor to examine the hundreds of like bodies in this hospital.
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The doctor is perplexed as they all have the exact same inju injuries and the masks are fused to their flesh, but there's no burns or scarring or anything.
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And they all have the same little lightning scar on their hand as the gas mask children we met earlier, like through the mail slot.
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So something's going on.
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But here's the thing the doctor's clocking all this, but not clocking that doctor.
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Constantine has the same scar on his hand as everyone else.
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But Mr.
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Constantine there tells our doctor when the bomb dropped, there was only one victim, but the next morning all the medical staff and patients had the exact same injuries, and that it's a physical injuries as a plague thing.
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So he explains the corpses aren't really dead, and then he like taps his cane and all of them sit up, but there's no signs of life, and they but they can't die.
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So yeah, this is terrifying.
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Again, we get a rom-com and a horror film.
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I love this show.
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I kind of wondered how he was able to not become one of them sooner.
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Same because he's like a thought.
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Yeah.
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Because all you have to do is touch one, and that's how it happens.
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I'm like, were you where I don't know if gloves would work.
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Right.
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That's a good question.
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I don't know.
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I'm not sure.
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Because you know that he would be tempted to touch just one of them at least once.
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I know.
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He's not a very hands-on doctor.
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I I don't think I would go to him for other issues.
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He seems nice though.
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And our doctor wonders why nobody's doing anything.
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And Dr.
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Constantine explains that he's making them comfortable.
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It's like what he can do at this point.
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And he explains before the war he was a father and a grandfather, but now he's neither, but he is still a doctor.
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And our doctor s says that he knows the feeling.
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Eventually he explains the army plans to bomb the hospital and blame it on a German bomb just because they don't know what to do with anything.
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And Dr.
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Constantine has a coughing fit, but through this fit manages to tell the doctor about room 802 where the original child was housed, and to find Nancy because she knows more than she's saying.
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Think we all figured that out.
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And then he begins to turn into one of the little lifeless corpse gas mask people.
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They eventually call him little zombies at some point.
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They're all just empty children in my heart.
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But y'all.
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Rose and Jack just happen upon the hospital.
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I do like that that's not explained at all, really.
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And Rose whispers to the doctor that she had to tell Jack they were time agents and calls him Mr.
00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:05.440
Spock, which is a reference Jack did not get, and I kind of loved it.
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She asks him about the Chula warship, and Jack was like yapping about, and the doctor's like, I'm gonna interrogate this man about bringing a plague down here.
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What did you do to these children?
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But eventually Jack confesses that it was a con and the cylinder was just a space ambulance that he was trying to pass off as something valuable.
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And then he eventually realizes Rose and the doctor aren't time agents.
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He's not getting his payday.
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And the doctor explains human DNA is being rewritten.
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But the gas mask virus carriers suddenly get up and start advancing on our trio.
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Dun-dun.
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And then back at the house, Nancy is raiding the kitchens, but there's a child.
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It gets inside and she tries to hide, but the child finds her and asks, Are you my mummy?
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And Nancy backs away, calling the child the name Jamie, her brother, and replies, but you're dead.
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What a great cliffhanger! That's an intense ending.
00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:02.799
I know.
00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:04.400
We need good cliffhangers.
00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:09.519
And then y'all, it's time for the Doctor dances, which is uh, what an episode.
00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:11.920
Katrina, I know this is one of your favorites.
00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:17.359
You talked about it a lot during the ninth Doctor panel at Chicago TARDIS this year.
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I'm gonna I'm gonna give you some time.
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Why do you love this episode so much?
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I mean, like right from the beginning, like to end the cliffhanger, um, the doctor's like, go to your room.
00:29:30.160 --> 00:29:30.319
Yep.
00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:39.599
But at uh Chicago TARDIS, uh, someone who had a question for Christopher Eccleson had on the mask and was like, Are you my mommy?
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And then he's like, Go to your room, he said it again.
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They were like, Truly, the whole audience went wild.
00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:48.000
He was great at Chicago TARDIS.
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He could only be there for a day and he made it worth it.
00:29:51.839 --> 00:29:53.440
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:54.000
Oh yeah.
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Um I I like what like we're seeing, like, especially if you watch it the second time, you see, like, you know, Nancy's like, you know, I'm I'm not I'm not his mom, but like all along she like was acting like a mom the whole time, and like Jamie could see it.
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Like, I always think about like my own kids, like you can't really get much past them, they can see these, and that's why he kept asking, like, are you my mom?
00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:22.880
And she's kept trying to skirt around the issue.
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Um yeah, and then you know, just as once everyone lives, like we someone like walked in well, they like went to the hospital and had like one leg and they came out with two, and a lot of times that doesn't happen.
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There's always like someone who like doesn't survive and for everyone to survive and knowing what the doctor had went through with the time war.
00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:57.440
Spoilers, spoilers like seeing him being able to have like a happy ending, like just this one.
00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:02.640
So it's just so much like going on in that episode that I I love.
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:05.680
Oh yeah, it's just beautiful.
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So, y'all, let's get back.
00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:21.200
And as you said, I mean, we open with the masked children advancing on the trio, and I just love that the doctor starts shouting, go to your room.
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I'm very cross with you over and over.
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And then when they do, he's like, ooh, can't believe that worked.
00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:30.559
That what an embarrassing way to die.
00:31:31.359 --> 00:31:32.880
My last words.
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I love this doctor so much.
00:31:35.680 --> 00:31:36.799
He's such a goof.
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And then smash to credits again.
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Bring back opening credit sequences, everyone.
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Eventually, Jack explains his con was supposed to be finding harmless space junk and he's gonna throw it through time and convince a time agent it's worth something.
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He was gonna get a 50% down payment from a buyer, and then like once he went to go retrieve it, um, it would be blown up by a German bomb because Jack would know about it in advance, because he can jump through time, and he'd erase all the evidence of his con before the buyer could claim any of it.
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And the doctor shames him saying he caused all this, but Jack insists that it was just an empty, burnt-out medical transport and could it couldn't have done this.
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And it's like, Jack, you kind of are an idiot.
00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:30.240
They head upstairs to room 802 as the all-clear sirens sounds, which every time those sirens went off, I was just so freaked out.
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:34.960
They really did a good job recreating London in this episode, I gotta say.
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And then we cut back to Nancy.
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She's cornered by a child, and that but the child is confused by her shouting that he's dead, and eventually pulls off a mask, and it's like, oh, it's a regular child, thank God.
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And it just like runs away.
00:32:49.680 --> 00:33:00.240
And Nancy hears the all-clear sirens, but before she can really leave, she's caught by the family she's stealing from, and they force her back inside the house because they're gonna report her to the authorities.
00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:12.880
But Nancy, she's a detective, she is Nancy Drew here, and she's like, actually, I'm gonna need these supplies, some wire cutters, we're gonna need this, because I know that you've been messing about with the butcher.
00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:16.000
It's not your wife that everyone else thinks is, it's you.
00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:21.599
And I don't support gay crimes like these hate crimes right now.
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But honestly, very smart black male people.
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It's okay.
00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:28.240
Just a little blackmail, just a little bit.
00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:32.720
She is running things, she just needs like some wire cutters, you know.
00:33:33.039 --> 00:33:36.000
You gotta support women's rights and wrongs, especially in this case.
00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:41.519
Yeah, and he was like, you know, like, oh, all this food is from the sweat from my brow.
00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:46.240
And I'm like, I guess yes, but not in a way that you're making it seem like he can't do it.
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:46.720
Exactly.
00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:55.359
It's like it's like, buddy, you're not working, you're getting down and dirty and getting extra supplies, which you know, everyone, do what you gotta do.
00:33:55.519 --> 00:34:02.160
Yeah, this is not the honest days' work that you're looking to, but it's not the honest days' work that you want to stand there and brag about.
00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:03.519
Exactly.
00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:04.720
It's okay.
00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:06.640
All sex work is valid.
00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:09.760
Never thought we'd get here.
00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:12.000
Like, yeah, you know what?
00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:16.800
Like, you you did bring a good point, but like I know what he meant by that.
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:17.599
Exactly.
00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:35.440
It's one of those, like, yes, it's like the optics of blackmailing somebody for being like gay at that time, pretty like damaging, but also like she just needed a few things, and he was also doing wrongs and getting more supplies than everybody else.
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So, like, support gay rights and gay wrongs.
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:49.360
But we let's cut back to Jack and the Doctor and Rose because Jack is using his little Sonic gun to unlock room 802, and the room is a mess.
00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:52.559
There's an observation booth, and it's all smashed up.
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:56.400
There's little kid drawings everywhere on the walls, toys scattered about.
00:34:56.639 --> 00:35:02.079
And the doctor sees a little tape recorder and turns it on, and we all hear the voice of Dr.
00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:07.039
Constantine questioning the child, but the child only replies, Are you my mummy?
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:19.519
Rose is confused as it seems like the child doesn't know who its mother is, and the doctor is pondering aloud that he thinks the homeless children were living around the bomb site, and that one of them wandered near the crashed ship and was altered.
00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:26.800
The doctor then realizes that he made a mistake, y'all, and he sent the child to its room, but they're in the child's room.
00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:28.480
He didn't think that one through.
00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:33.119
What do y'all think of that little moment of the doctor being like whoopsies?
00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:41.519
Well, every once in a while the doctor has his moments where he has to kick himself and has to kick himself with soccer cleats on because he fucked up too.
00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:42.480
Exactly.
00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:44.719
And this was definitely the case.
00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:46.320
So true.
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:50.800
But y'all, the doctor does do a little funsie because Jack tries to shoot the child.
00:35:50.960 --> 00:36:04.480
Of course, that's what Jack would do, but the doctor has swapped his gun for like a banana, and the doctor uses Jack's gun to like digitize a wall so they can escape, and Jack's able to reverse it so it like seals the child in the room.
00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:05.519
Well, sorta.
00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:13.760
It only slows it down because it sounds like the child is just like coming through the walls, and it sounds like a little army of zombies making this way through the walls.
00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:20.480
The doctor eventually realizes that it's every kind of child is going through this, that they're all connected somehow.
00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:25.599
And eventually the doctor and Rose escape to a storage room, but Jack disappears.
00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:33.599
And eventually his voice comes through a disconnected radio, and he explains because of his chip's omcom, he can talk through anything with a speaker.
00:36:33.679 --> 00:36:38.960
And the doctor's like, yeah, just like the empty child can speak through anything with a speaker.
00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:41.920
Jack, it this still might be your fault, buddy.
00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:52.480
The child's voice comes through the radio to taunt them a little bit, but Jack jams the signal by playing Glenn Miller's Moonlight Serenade again, much like he was with Rose later.
00:36:52.719 --> 00:37:01.440
And this is the part where we're about to get into the doctor being jealous of Rose flirting with Jack, because the doctor's always jealous of Rose flirting with people.
00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:06.800
She explains that she likes Jack because he's like the doctor with dating and dancing.
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:11.199
And the doctor says, uh, girl, you assume I don't dance.
00:37:11.440 --> 00:37:20.320
And when she tries to goad him into dancing with her, the doctor notices she doesn't have any rope burns on her hands, even though a couple hours ago she was dangling.
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:27.119
Their chemistry, we said this before, but I think nine in Rose have the best chemistry, honestly.
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And this is a good example of that.
00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:29.920
Yeah.
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:35.440
She has chemistry with everybody, but during this rewatch, I'm like, oh, they have good chemistry.
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:43.039
I I like how they use the word dance, meaning like two different things.
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:47.599
Um, and people can't see me like waggling my eyebrows.
00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:50.719
Like, I dance.
00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:53.840
They're they're dancing like the butcher, we'll just say.
00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:54.800
Yeah.
00:37:56.400 --> 00:37:57.920
Dancing like the butcher.
00:37:58.159 --> 00:38:00.480
I didn't expect this episode to go this way.
00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:13.519
Someone's gonna from watching listening to this episode, they're gonna like cosplay like as the butcher and be like some like and if nobody else dresses up as the butcher, Katrina, you're probably just gonna shrug your shoulders like, should I?
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:15.440
Exactly.
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:23.679
Next Chicago TARDIS, Katrina, you're gonna do like the butcher dances, and I'm gonna be a little pating.
00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:28.000
Oh my goodness.
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:28.960
I know.
00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:38.800
But yeah, I love their flirtation and I like that they start to dance, but that's when Jack is just like cock block teleporting them up to his ship.
00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:47.280
And those little nano genes from earlier, they heal the doctor's hand because he like burnt it whenever they were jumping through space and time chasing the cylinder.
00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:51.119
And the doctor clocks that Jack's ship is also a chula design.
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And we also learn that the time agent stole two years of Jack's memories and he's trying to get them back.
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The doctor is so not about trusting Jack because he's such a trickster at this moment, and he doesn't, it feels like he really doesn't believe him about the memories.
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:15.760
And I like that that tension is always there with the doctor and Jack throughout their whole friendship, even though Jack saves the doctor time and time again.
00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:17.920
The doctor's like, mm-hmm, nope.
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Also, you become an abomination later.
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You shouldn't be here.
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:34.000
But y'all, we circle back to Nancy because she is the Mary Poppins of the Blitz and is explaining to the homeless children they need to find somewhere else to stay because they're not safe with her.
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:36.719
The child is only looking for her.
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And to prove this to the children, she points out that the typewriter we've been hearing throughout her whole scene in the background, it's typing on its own, and it looks like it's maybe the child typing up messages to her.
00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:51.440
That was really scary.
00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:57.360
I like that they don't really explain it because it's not like a speaker thing, but I like it anyways.
00:39:57.519 --> 00:40:00.079
Not everything needs to be explained to me.
00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:02.000
That's a cool little detail.
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It is.
00:40:03.039 --> 00:40:04.559
It's such a fun reveal.
00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:08.559
Yeah, and if you really want an explanation that badly, that's what AO3 is for.
00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:09.119
Make your own.
00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:09.840
Exactly.
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:14.639
Everyone go to the library, go to the archive of our own library.
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:27.119
And I say that applies to a lot of aspects of pop culture of people demanding explanation instead of just letting their imagination do the work when it comes to the lore of whatever fiction that they're watching.
00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:35.199
Even if it's something like sinners, for example, like like, oh, where did the where do the Choctaw vampire killers come from?
00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:38.239
It's like one, we don't need to know that.
00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:39.360
Two, we don't have the time.
00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:42.159
Where did the Transylvanian vampires come from?
00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:44.079
Somebody's mind, that's how.
00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:44.800
Yeah.
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:47.039
Again, that's what AO3 is for.
00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:50.320
Let your imagination do the work if you want to fill in the blanks that badly.
00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:55.599
And I'm always just like, y'all, we're w we're following an alien that travels through space and time.
00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:58.800
I don't need to know every detail of how something happens.
00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:03.039
I just assume it's science, that is magic I don't understand yet.
00:41:03.519 --> 00:41:05.519
Or just go with Lucy Lawless's explanation.
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A wizard did it.
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Perfect.
00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:15.280
But y'all, Nancy is also a bad bitch, and she goes to break into the crash site and is discovered by some soldiers.
00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:21.599
Y'all, these soldiers, I feel like, yes, you probably shouldn't be breaking into places in theory.
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:32.559
But she's brought to a tent and they like handcuff her to a chair, and she notices that a soldier is marked, but another soldier who's just not listening to her just leaves her there.
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:35.519
And this poor soldier, he's marked the plague.
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And despite all her warnings and pleas to be let go, he's just, you know, one soldier walks away, the others turn into a little gas masked zombie.
00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:49.519
And the doctor and Rose find her, and Jack distracts the guards by flirting.
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:52.639
Because I like that Rose is like, here, I'll go distract him.
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:56.159
And Jack's like, actually, not your type.
00:41:56.400 --> 00:41:58.000
I will go distract him.
00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:04.239
And I like that the doctor is just like, yeah, things are a little different in the 51st century.
00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:11.440
I love this like very casual acceptance of queerness 21 years ago, whenever we're still trying to get some of that now.
00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:12.320
But y'all.
00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:13.599
Poor, poor Jack.
00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:19.119
His flirting doesn't work because the guards are also turned into little zombie gas masked buddies.
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And the doctor hears Nancy singing in the tent a little lullaby to this zombie and eventually frees her, and they all head to this little chula transport.
00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:31.519
What is with the doctor listening to people singing?
00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:34.480
That's his clues all the time, it feels like.
00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:36.559
That is interesting.
00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:39.599
Like, I only noticed that as I'm reading my notes.
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I'm like, wait a minute.
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:40.719
Yeah.
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He's always following the singing.
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Little Bob.
00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:47.920
No wonder there's always the references to him traveling back in time to different concerts.
00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:50.079
I'm like, maybe we need to see that one day.
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It'd be fun.
00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:54.960
But then the doctor explains to Nancy that they're all from the future.
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And Nancy is like not so sure about it because Rose doesn't have a German accent.
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:04.400
And Rose sneakily reveals that the British will win the war.
00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:07.519
And that is just like a little cute detail.
00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:12.480
Like, I know Rose isn't supposed to break the rules, but it's one of those, yeah, like, don't worry.
00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:13.760
It's gonna be great.
00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:14.880
It'll be fine.
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:16.800
Things won't be horrible after.
00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:18.480
I mean, they might be a little horrible.
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Yeah.
00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:28.480
And eventually the doctor figures out that the Chula medical transport crashed and the nanogenes escaped, and they're programmed to heal because there's like bajillions of them.
00:43:29.119 --> 00:43:34.079
But the first thing they encountered was the dead child Jamie, and he had a gas mask on.
00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:42.239
And because they didn't have like a DNA pattern for what a normal human is, they just thought, oh, dead child with mask, that's the pattern.
00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:44.400
We're gonna go turn everyone into that.
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:49.760
And the doctor also says there's not a child alive who wouldn't tear the world apart to find its mother.
00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:51.679
So that's like the motivation behind it.
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Jamie just wanted his mom.
00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:59.679
And this is the heartbreaking part where Nancy's just like blaming herself for all of this because she Jamie.
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:01.280
Jamie was following her.
00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:02.639
She was trying to get food.
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And the doctor like starts asking her age and questioning her and realizes Jamie is her son.
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:11.760
She was like 14 or 15 when she got pregnant.
00:44:11.920 --> 00:44:14.960
So super young, like right before the war.
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:17.199
And that was just her thing.
00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:21.119
She didn't want Jamie to know because there's like shame around all of that.
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:23.679
And what a heartbreaking little moment.
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:24.639
Yeah.
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:28.800
Um, you do think about the guilt that she had.
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:38.960
And I it feels even more terrifying to her that he's asking that question because she knows the answer.
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:50.639
And even though, like, she's like, she's like, you know, you're dead, she still doesn't want to reveal that, like, that I'm the mom until like the doctor prompts her because of all of that shame.
00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:57.760
Shame of society, and then like the shame from keeping that from your child, and just saying, like, I'm your sister, you know.
00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:04.800
And just the fact that she's had to go on and mother so many homeless children as well because they don't really have anyone else.
00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:06.000
Uh yeah.
00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:08.400
So many beautiful layers to this.
00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:14.000
That makes that little part where she's singing the little lobby to the child, like, even more heartbreaking.
00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:17.039
Because you're thinking of her now in terms of a mother.
00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:28.960
Through all of this, we we know that like a bomb's coming, they want to blow up the hospital area and stuff, but also because like Jack's accidentally set off some little alarm and whatnot.
00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:32.079
Um, little zombie children, they're activated, y'all.
00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:34.000
It's a little scary, scary moment.
00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:39.119
So we have like the weird countdown, and the little zombie child just wants his mommy.
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:40.400
And it's so sad.
00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:49.039
So the doctor eventually like comforts her, but is also like, hey, babes, why don't you go and just say, I'm your mom?
00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:51.280
And eventually Nancy does this.
00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:59.119
She hugs the child, and the little nano genes like get her DNA, realize that, oh wait, this DNA matches the kid a little bit.
00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:00.639
Let's adjust some stuff.
00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:03.760
Justice wants everybody lives.
00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:05.920
Exactly.
00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:07.280
Where are these things?
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:10.239
Can we get them in bulk right now?
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:14.880
I would love some nano jeans, especially as I get older.
00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:21.280
Like I have like good collagen, but I think the nano jeans would work better.
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:25.440
It would definitely make me go get a Costco membership right then and there.
00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:27.840
Costco would have it.
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:31.599
We need to get Costco to make some nano jeans for us.
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:39.199
You get the nano jeans in bulk and get yourself the hot dog and a drink for what, a dollar twenty-five or however much that they're still charging for it.
00:46:39.519 --> 00:46:42.800
I mean, under two bucks, get some nano jeans, your hot dog, you drink.
00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:44.079
Perfect market.
00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:46.320
Chula Costco collab.
00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:46.960
We need it.
00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:48.320
Day well spent.
00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:55.360
It's so great because like it unlocks the genetic code and eventually, like all the nano genes, it like everybody lives.
00:46:55.599 --> 00:46:57.599
The woman, she gets her leg back.
00:46:57.760 --> 00:46:58.719
It's so great.
00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:02.079
And the doctor unmasks Jamie, lifts him up.
00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:02.800
It is so good.
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:05.199
I'm like choking up right now thinking about it.
00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:09.679
But then Rose is like, uh, y'all, don't forget about the bomb.
00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:12.079
And the doctor's like, nah, I got you.
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:21.440
Um, Jack eventually, like in his ship, he's got the bomb in his little tractor beam, and he just takes it out, gets gets rid of the bomb, you know?
00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:23.360
We just like dust that out.
00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:27.039
I like that we can just make up really silly ways to like stop bombs.
00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:29.039
Can we do that in real life too?
00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:33.360
And so eventually, like, everybody lives, it's great.
00:47:33.679 --> 00:47:45.199
And oh, I love this so much because eventually, like, they end up in the TARDIS and we're gonna have a nice time, and we get some more Glenn Miller playing great music, y'all.
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:50.239
And they enter the console room, and the doctor is just like ready to have a real jig.
00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:53.199
He's ready to cut up right then and there.
00:47:53.519 --> 00:47:55.360
And Jack gets a little jealous.
00:47:55.519 --> 00:47:58.639
Rose is like, oh, you're gonna teach Time Lord how to dance?
00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:03.760
And eventually the doctor's like, yeah, who does Jack want to dance with?
00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:08.000
And Rose realizes, wait, Jack is also flirting with the doctor.
00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:08.960
I love this.
00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:12.000
I understand where people get their favorite thruple from.
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:15.920
I was gonna say, I'm just saying all three of them could dance together.
00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:17.519
That's a great dance.
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:18.159
Yeah.
00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:21.360
More thruples in our television shows, please and thank you.
00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:22.320
Exactly.
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:25.440
And I love that this is how we end the episode.
00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:27.519
It's like, who you gonna dance with?
00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:37.039
Y'all, this episode, so much fun.
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:38.000
It's great.
00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:43.280
We did have a few listener questions, though, um, from our friend novel.
00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:50.880
I think a good one is maybe for those who've seen Classic Who, how did this horror compare like to the classic series?
00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:56.000
Because so many people cite this as their hide behind the sofa moment with the gas mask children.
00:48:56.079 --> 00:49:02.719
And a lot of people in the classic series, that was like scary for them, but to us now, it's not super scary.
00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:06.400
Any of y'all watch Classic Who have any thoughts on this?
00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:11.679
I only watch like very sporadic episodes as they appear on like Pluto TV.
00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:17.039
Yeah, I I guess like a Roku channel with like classic who episodes.
00:49:17.280 --> 00:49:20.639
Yeah, say I yeah, so I I get that.
00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:34.719
And whenever I hear people talk about growing up watching the show, how like they hid behind the couch, and it just kind of goes back to me talking about how I'm experiencing things as I'm watching it with them.
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:39.199
So I would definitely agree, like, yeah, this is a hide behind a couch thing.
00:49:39.519 --> 00:49:48.000
I think it honestly does compare well to the classic series because back then it was just like very simple people in costumes and it was scary.
00:49:48.159 --> 00:49:52.639
This is just a kid in a gas mask saying something and it's very scary.
00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:55.760
It reminds me like also the shining in many ways.
00:49:55.920 --> 00:49:58.880
Like, children be scary, children be creepy.
00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:01.280
I like it in that very scary way.
00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:03.599
And it turns out it's not supposed to be scary at all.
00:50:03.679 --> 00:50:04.639
It's okay.
00:50:04.880 --> 00:50:07.199
They were all just trying to live.
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:13.840
And then Topaz Sam, she's like, this is one of the first historicals in the new series.
00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:15.920
We also had Charles Dickens back then.
00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:30.239
For those coming into Doctor Who Fresh, how how do y'all feel about the tonal shift in this sci-fi classic TV show, going from future episodes to like kind of contemporary episodes, all the way back to the London Blitz?
00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:34.960
What was your experience going through all space and time, essentially?
00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:35.679
I don't know.
00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:40.159
I feel like I just roll with everything, so I don't have a good response to this.
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I everyone knows me.
00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:43.599
I watch a soap opera and I'm like, yeah, okay.
00:50:43.920 --> 00:51:01.119
I basically took the same approach in terms of when I first when I first started watching Doctor Who was like, it's a show where about traveling through time in space, it's like if you're not going to roll with what comes and what the characters are dealing with, it's not going to be a show that you really enjoy.
00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:08.639
You have to sit back and let the characters take you to wherever it is that they go next, whether it's in the past or the future.
00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:17.199
And uh something I was gonna say earlier is that even looking back on this episode, which was all the way back in 2005, good lord.
00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:21.840
And you look at something like the special effects where they transform like Dr.
00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:23.840
Constantine into the gas mask.
00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:25.119
Oh, it's terrifying.
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The transformation the transformation.
00:51:27.519 --> 00:51:31.440
It is terrifying, and you even the special effects, you're just like, okay, uh-uh.
00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:33.519
It's special effects from 2005.
00:51:33.760 --> 00:51:39.039
You can't really judge it with judge those special effects with 2026 eyes.
00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:46.880
But also at the same time, if the story is good enough it's like with anything you're watching, even if it's a horror or sci-fi movie, uh-uh.
00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:52.559
If the story is good and absorbing enough, you're not really gonna care so much about the quality of the effects.
00:51:53.519 --> 00:52:11.440
You're just gonna care about what's happening, what's happening in the story and how, and just you're just gonna keep suspending your disbelief because you want to enjoy the story that's being told, and that's definitely the case here, even with the gas mask transformation looking kind of wonky as it does now compared to special effects of today.
00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:12.320
Exactly.
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Like honestly, I love a good character-driven show.
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I don't care that the effect of him turning into the mask looks like Goosebumps Mask at all.
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Because it is scary.
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There is something kind of really scary about how it changes and that it's not like a perfect Marvel superhero like big budget thing.
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There's something extra scary and the gritty.
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I'm glad you mentioned Marvel because like I feel like people judge movies on things like special effects, and it's like, well, there's a lot more to that than special effects, because if you go to a play, like everything's not got like if someone gets stabbed on stage, it's not gonna look like it would in real life, like or whatever.
00:52:54.559 --> 00:53:00.559
It's like what you're you're in it, you're in in it for the story more than anything, and I think people will kind of lose sight of that.
00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:04.159
They're just like, Well, it's not like this Marvel movie, you know.
00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:14.079
And that's the thing, we've seen the Marvel like vacation of who, like later when Disney takes it over, and it just feels like a completely different show.
00:53:14.239 --> 00:53:19.760
There's something special about Doctor Who being pretty practical in many ways.
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:24.320
Uh and also to make a complaint like that about how, oh, such and such is not like a Marvel movie.
00:53:24.400 --> 00:53:26.000
It's like, okay.
00:53:26.559 --> 00:53:31.119
You're that's like basically it's like you taking a bite out of a cheeseburger and complaining that it's not a pizza.
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It's something entirely different.
00:53:33.280 --> 00:53:33.920
Exactly.
00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:36.320
So why would you expect this to be that?
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I know.
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:41.599
Here's some fun world-building moment.
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The German bomb that Jack's hanging out on at first, um, it translates like very loosely to Bad Wolf, continuing our little bad wolf arc throughout the series.
00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:54.719
I thought that was pretty fun.
00:53:55.039 --> 00:54:01.440
And yeah, this is the second time the cold opening is used to resolve a cliffhanger from the previous episode.
00:54:01.679 --> 00:54:06.079
This also happened with our Slitene World War III episodes.
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It was very silly.
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This, I would say, is probably the better of the two by far.
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Even though I do have a soft spot in my heart for Aliens of London and World War III.
00:54:18.719 --> 00:54:19.920
They're very silly, Billy.
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And I think this is really what makes the show special, is are the episodes like Empty Child and Doctor Dances.
00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:37.440
That's also what makes the show special, is that we have silly episodes like those that you talked about, and also more serious ones like this.
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:38.559
Exactly.
00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:43.039
And Stephen Moffat, good job on your first outing here.
00:54:43.360 --> 00:54:53.280
And he's somebody apparently, like anytime he popped in to these first few seasons to do an episode, he had like no context for everything before and after.
00:54:53.519 --> 00:55:04.159
So I just like I love that he managed to really place and track everything pretty well, like where the characters were and their stories, like throughout this.
00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:21.760
Also, to quickly follow up on what Paige just said, basically, this would be the type of episode I know most recently a lot of like television fans have said that they want longer TV seasons to make a comeback, that they want their shows to give them 22, 20 to 24 episode seasons again.
00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:36.000
And you look at something like these two episodes, and they would probably be considered filler episodes because they don't they have they don't lean directly into like say the mythology or any story arcs or anything.
00:55:36.559 --> 00:56:02.480
And like you just said, you want uh quote unquote silly episodes like this where the characters can get off, can get off the main path and go out and go on to go do a side mission of sorts, and you're still gonna be entertained, you're still gonna have fun with what hap with what happens, and it doesn't need to uh uh be connected to the main it doesn't need to be connected to Bad Wolf or any other main stories.
00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:10.239
You're still gonna get more world building, you're gonna have an opportunity for memorable characters to be introduced like Jack.
00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:10.880
Mm-hmm.
00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:14.239
And fun and fun is still going to be had.
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Exactly.
00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:26.400
I love that you brought this up as like the example of filler episodes, because it seems like there we're in an era of people just want plot, and maybe that's why things are six to eight episodes anymore.
00:56:26.719 --> 00:56:33.519
I love filler episodes, quote unquote, because uh they feel like world-building episodes, if anything.
00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:34.159
Absolutely.
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They're just enhancing this.
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And we all always say we just want to hang out with our favorite characters.
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I think that's why AO3 exists.
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And this is just like one, we get to have the beautiful uplifting moment.
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We get to have the scary moment in the first part, and then you just everybody lives and it's great.
00:56:54.159 --> 00:57:03.199
You need those moments, and it's also a good way to introduce new characters and really use London in the environment and have a good historical episode.
00:57:03.440 --> 00:57:05.199
Oh, I was gonna say, I agree with both of you guys.
00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:18.000
I I like filler episodes or um even um bottle episodes where it's just you know, like they're saving money and they're just like in that one space, but cool things can still happen.
00:57:18.079 --> 00:57:40.320
And and as a bonus, you get through Jack and his characterization, you get a view, I would just I can say a lot simple more view of there's so much more to to human sexuality than than heterosexuality, and think of think of all the possibilities, especially going all the way into as far as the 51st century.
00:57:40.639 --> 00:57:45.360
So here's our opportunity to play around with that a little to play around with that a little.
00:57:45.679 --> 00:58:00.880
Yeah, like people don't realize just how groundbreaking Captain Jack as a character was being so like omnisexual, as they say within the show, because it was really like that, the L-word, and then like Russell's other show, Queer as Folk.
00:58:01.039 --> 00:58:06.239
Like, come on, like we're not getting too much queer content or good positive stuff.
00:58:06.400 --> 00:58:11.840
Like, usually it's the barrier gaze, which is still happening 21 years later.
00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:15.360
It's about to happen now on a probably another soap opera soon.
00:58:15.519 --> 00:58:17.679
I'm pretty sure a character's about to die, y'all.
00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:19.280
We'll see what happens.
00:58:19.599 --> 00:58:25.199
But let's talk about another little funny moment of dialogue that made me giggle.
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Uh, Jack says at one point, you've got to set your alarm for volcano day because they're talking about um Hulldaying and Pompeii.
00:58:32.639 --> 00:58:43.360
And eventually we get the nice Fires of Pompeii episode with Ten and Donna and not Amy Pond and not Peter Capaldi's 12th doctor.
00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:58.000
And then I also love that the doctor jokingly tells Rose that he's Father Christmas and mentions the red bicycle she got when she was like 12, and which was a gift from him, apparently.
00:58:58.320 --> 00:58:59.920
I love that so much.
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That's crazy.
00:59:02.320 --> 00:59:10.400
I also love you mentioning how the future Doctor Who actors pop up in roles completely different from what we later going to see them.
00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:17.679
It's like watching any version of Law and Order and seeing actors before they end up becoming hired to play the cops and the attorneys.
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And you're like, oh yeah, that's Jeremy Sisto or or Samuel L.
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Jackson, all babyface and whatnot.
00:59:24.800 --> 00:59:25.679
Exactly.
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I I don't mind that.
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Again, I watch soap operas.
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I'm about to get like a bunch of recasts on days of our lives.
00:59:32.239 --> 00:59:34.400
Like, use those people again if they're good.
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It don't matter.
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It's great.
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Or if you grew or if you grew up on the WB, it's like you would see actors being you being regularly used all the damn time.
00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:43.280
Exactly.
00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:45.119
It's like I remember that face.
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They must all be filming in the same city.
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Mm-hmm.
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Most likely Vancouver.
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Most likely.
00:59:50.719 --> 00:59:53.360
If it's not Vancouver, it's like Wilmington.
00:59:53.679 --> 00:59:54.480
Back then.
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Y'all, this was so much fun.
00:59:58.400 --> 00:59:59.519
Thank you so much.
00:59:59.679 --> 01:00:04.800
Any last thoughts about this episode before we hop in the TARDIS and skedaddle?
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Um, related to this, I do have a question for you all.
01:00:08.239 --> 01:00:11.519
Um, which doctor would you want to dance with?
01:00:11.840 --> 01:00:18.320
I mean, just because I met her this past weekend a couple times, like me and Jody Whitaker.
01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:21.920
I just want to see what moves she has because I feel like it'd be very funny.
01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:24.079
I have zero moves, so that's it.
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I would be the DJ.
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Yeah, I have to agree with Jody.
01:00:27.760 --> 01:00:29.199
She's the first that comes to mind.
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She'd be so fun.
01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:35.599
You just again, she's always talking about like going to concerts and stuff anytime she's on a panel.
01:00:35.679 --> 01:00:39.519
So it's like, you know, she's probably like throwing her arms everywhere.
01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:40.480
It's a good time.
01:00:41.199 --> 01:00:43.199
So I would pick Jodi too.
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And I I agree.
01:00:44.480 --> 01:00:46.079
I think she probably does have the moves.
01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:49.119
And I I remember, I don't know how they got it.
01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:58.880
How so whoever got it was she was like at a Beyonce concert and she was like dancing, and I was just like, oh, all over the place with different things that she likes.
01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:02.400
Oh my gosh, send if you know where it is, send it to us.
01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:03.119
Yeah.
01:01:03.519 --> 01:01:05.760
I too would probably end up dancing with Jody.
01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:09.199
It would probably be a tie between Jody and Tenant, actually.
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If only because I'd want to see what moves Tenant has, also.
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I know, it's great.
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We love them.
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We love our broad church babes.
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Y'all companions, thank you so much for wandering into the TARDIS today.
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Sorry, we took you to the Blitz, but don't worry, everybody lives.
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Let's remind listeners where they can find you and all your work.
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Brian, where can the good people find you?
01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:40.719
Uh, the good people can find me on Blue Sky and Instagram as hello resident ny.
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You can find my work on pajiva.com and some of my older work on uprox.com.
01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:47.280
Beautiful.
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Katrina, where do you want people to find you?
01:01:52.639 --> 01:01:57.840
Um, so I have also I didn't mention it earlier, but I am on blue sky just as myself.
01:01:58.079 --> 01:02:01.519
I I post a lot of like Doctor Who and Golden Girl stuff.
01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:02.639
I just remember what's going on.
01:02:02.800 --> 01:02:03.280
This is why we're friends.
01:02:04.480 --> 01:02:05.039
Yes.
01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:06.639
I remember what I want to say.
01:02:06.719 --> 01:02:16.960
Like I love that whenever I hear Glenn Miller music now, I think of this episode of Doctor Who, and then also multiple episodes of the Golden Girls.
01:02:17.119 --> 01:02:20.320
Like those two things are in my head when I hear Glenn Miller.
01:02:21.039 --> 01:02:30.000
So I w you know what would be cool if like the doctor actually like goes on like the search party for Glenn Miller and maybe Glenn Miller didn't really die.
01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:32.320
Oh, this could be a good like audio.
01:02:32.639 --> 01:02:33.920
Oh big finish.
01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:41.519
Come on, we're just audio where Glenn Miller he didn't die, like he actually got um because like Dorothy said he's missing.
01:02:41.679 --> 01:02:46.960
He is missing, he got like taken into space and he's like helping people with space make music and stuff.
01:02:47.360 --> 01:02:51.360
Maybe he was accidentally abducted, like he got into a tractor beam or something.
01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:52.400
Yeah.
01:02:53.599 --> 01:02:54.559
I love this.
01:02:55.360 --> 01:02:56.320
That's incredible.
01:02:56.480 --> 01:02:58.400
I need that immediately.
01:02:58.880 --> 01:03:01.840
We need that, we need Jody dancing to Beyonce.
01:03:02.320 --> 01:03:03.760
Let's have this happen.
01:03:03.920 --> 01:03:05.840
Y'all are the best guests ever.
01:03:06.559 --> 01:03:11.440
So, yeah, so I I am also on Blue Sky, uh Katranity Parker.
01:03:11.519 --> 01:03:22.239
I'm on Instagram Patranity Parker, or um, I'm not really posting anything right now on my um quirky pop piece, but if you want to listen to some of my older episodes, uh Telsa's been on my show before.
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Talking about golden girls, yes, talking about the golden girls as quirky pop.
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Um eventually there'll be new episodes out.
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We'll get to it.
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It's been a time, y'all.
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We're living.
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Thank you for listening to Across the Universe.
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Links will be in the show notes, or you can email us your thoughts or questions at across the universepod at gmail.com.
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Pai, remind the time lords where they where else they can find you.
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Um, they can find me at thoughts by page on blue sky.
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I am Hay Smithers on Tumblr when I remember to get on there.
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I am Paige Noel Kaiser on Instagram.
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I am also on the podcast.
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Sh my stories are on with Chelse and our friends Jesse and Owen, talking about a lot of different TV stuff.
01:04:19.360 --> 01:04:27.679
I also have a substack that's called Girlhood and Low Resolution, where I talk about being a girl on the internet in the 2000s.
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And it's wonderful.
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And I'm Chelse 725 on the blue sky serialized, which is like TV letterbox, occasionally real letterbox when I decide to let people know what movies I'm watching.
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I know I'm weird.
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And then Chelse Eichels on Instagram.
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And if you can find my Tumblr, you're stronger than a Nano Gene.
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You can listen to me and my fellow agent and podcast companion Gavin on the Q Division, a James Bond movie marathon podcast.
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Wherever you listen to your podcasts, Brian's episode will be out by the time this is out.
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It's so good.
01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:01.519
We talk Grace Jones.
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Oh, she's so hot and cool.
01:05:04.159 --> 01:05:08.239
And I can also be heard on the shh, my stories are on pod.
01:05:08.639 --> 01:05:10.960
Brian was also our traders correspondent.
01:05:11.039 --> 01:05:14.719
We all suffered through the traders together and we are stronger for it.
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Maybe we'll just start having to cover the British ones, the celebrity traders and regular traders UK, because they've been renewed for like the next five years or something.
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It's crazy.
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Say less.
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Exactly.
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And I'm also on the And a Rewatch pod.
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Occasionally we're talking the show Selfie, and then we used to talk community, Mythic Quest.
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We'll get some other stuff.
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They're doing some new girl over there.
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So yeah, go go check all that out.
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It'll be in the show notes.
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Be sure to join us for our next adventure across space and time as we revisit Boomtown.
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Until next time, we'll see you in the Time Vortex.
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Welcome to Across the Hooniverse, a Doctor Who Marathon podcast.
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I'm your friendly neighborhood Time Lord Chelsea and I'm your Muppet of a Time Lord Page.
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And y'all, it's only iconic guests for these iconic episodes.
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So first, Katrina, my girl.
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I feel like we get into a lot of like hoonanigans together.
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How are you?
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I'm doing good.
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Um happy to be on this podcast talking about my one of my favorite shows.
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So yeah.
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I love it.
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And Brian, my returning companion, how are you?
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I'm doing alright so far.
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Just trying to keep my head up as always.
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And I'm just happy to see your face and hear your voice and to be back on the podcast to talk about all things Doctor Who.
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It's a great time, y'all.
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This is a great escape from the horrors of the world.
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So don't worry, we're gonna talk about other horrors from our past.
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Good luck.
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But Katrina, this is your first appearance on the show.
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Tell us a little bit about your who's story and how you fell in love with the show.
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So it's been a little over 10 years.
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Um my ex introduced me to it, and I think we watched like one episode together, and then he was just like, Oh, okay, this is this is kind of like not really my thing.
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But then I like kept watching and just uh I think this is back when it was still on Netflix, and I just like binge watched up until um Peter Capaldi, and then I finally got to see like a season with everyone else with Peter Capaldi.
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So um, and then like a couple years later, so people kept saying, Oh, you should go to the Doctor Convention in Los Angeles, and then one day I was like, Hey, it's around my birthday, why not go?
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So I went and I met people from around the world, people that I'm still friends with today.
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It's like uh like a family reunion, and then um I finally met Chelsea in person at the Chicago Who.
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Yes, we went to a Chicago TARDIS this past year and got into so many hoonanigans together.
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Yes, yes, and like that was my first time being there, which is strange because it's like I'm from the Chicago area.
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How come I didn't go there first?
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But you know, you know, you had to go big before you could go home.
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I like that, so I'm definitely gonna do that again.
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Um, I've done like different panels at both conventions, I've done some TARDIS talks.
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So I'm it's it's my world.
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I mean, I literally name my cat Gallifrey, and when I I'm scooping her litter box or feeding her, I'm like, I serve for the glory of Gallifrey.
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So that is brilliant.
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I love that.
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That's great.
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No, you are one of my favorite people.
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You are the person's like, let's do cosplay.
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Chelsea, are you gonna do a cosplay at Chicago TARDIS?
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I'm like, I am now.
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That is the energy you bring.
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You're just such a positive person, and I love you, and I'm so glad you're on the show.
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I'm so happy to be here too.
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Yes, you know, Brian, as a returning companion, tell us about one of your favorite companions on the show.
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Well, as someone who recently binge-watched Doctor Who, there are like too many good companions to choose from.
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I'm a huge fan of Martha.
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Yes, I adore River Song, and not just because I've been crushing on Alex Kingston since the days of ER.
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Oh, yeah.
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And I'm a fan of and I'm a huge fan of Amy Pond as well.
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Oh, yes.
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I love that I asked this question, and here's the thing: I love every companion, so my response is always gonna be, oh, hell yeah.
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Yes, let's do this.
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There aren't all bad answers, aren't they?
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There's no bad answers except Adam.
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Yeah.
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Exactly.
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Not all male companions, but somehow always a male companion.
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Exactly.
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Always a male companion.
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And then both of you promote your social medias here at the top.
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We'll do it again at the end, but just in case people don't always listen to the very end spiels.
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Katrina, where can people find you on social medias?
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Instagram stuff is Katrina T.
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Parker.
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Um, I'm on hiatus for my podcast.
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Quirky pop.
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I'm hoping to get back to that soon.
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Um, but like you can find Quirky Pop Podcasts and stuff too if you want to look at some of the old stuff and follow those socials.
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I'm no longer on X.
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I got rid of that account, but uh, same.
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I get it.
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And then Brian, where can the wonderful listeners find your work?
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Because you're always writing up something great.
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I'm trying to at least.
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People can find me on Blue Sky and Instagram as Hellresident NY.
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You can find my work on pajiva.com and some of my older work on uprocks.com.
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And I'm going back and forth as to whether I should go the newsletter route and if and when that happens, and if I'm invited back, if I if I'm invited back here to discuss more of Dr.
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Ushinak.
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Oh, you'll be invited.
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I am a bully.
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You live in the TARDIS now with us.
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Exactly.
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Sorry.
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We kidnap our favorite companions over and over.
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Yeah.
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Well, I certainly have no complaints whatsoever due to the company.
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So but when I do decide to go the newsletter route, I'll be sure to let you and everyone else know what's up and where to find it.
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Perfect.
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We'll link everything in the show notes, everyone.
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But let's dive in.
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We're doing two episodes today.
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It's maybe one of the most iconic two-parters of the whole series.
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It's series one, episodes nine and ten, The Empty Child and the Doctor Dances, written by Stephen Moffitt, directed by James Hawes.
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This originally aired, we're gonna feel old, on the 21st and 28th of May 2005, and it features The Night Doctor, Rose Tyler, Captain Jack Harkness, Nancy, and The Empty Child.
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And we're going all the way back in time to the London Blitz in 1941.
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Y'all, before we get too deep in the weeds, what is like your first memories and like overall impressions of this episode?
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Because I remember when I first watched it, I'm like, oh, this is really good.
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And then I when I got older and watched it as a real adult, I'm like, oh, this is heartbreaking and beautiful, and I'm so happy.
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I would say, because like I watched it as an adult the first time.
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It it was like heartbreaking and and touching at the same time.
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Like I think the first time I watched it, like towards the end, I started crying of the second episode.
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Like the one thing about like the show is like the things that are happening to the companions you find yourself like in it too.
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So like when Rose was on that uh the rope thing I was like, I went to my hands, and I'm like, how long could I have held on before you know Jack came?
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Or like, you know, with that one Doctor Who episode uh smile, like I found myself like grinning like through the first like ten minutes of the show.
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I'm like, you're not there, you don't have to grin.
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Like, why are you doing this?
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Hey, you never know what's gonna happen anymore.
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You never know.
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Yeah, yeah.
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My first impression was that I definitely went from feeling very freaked out due to the presence of the child and all the transformations to feeling heartbroken about what all the kids were going through, and then feeling my cold black misentropic heart grow about three sizes by the end of the second episode.
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Oh yeah, you had your whole grinch moment.
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Oh yeah.
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If you've seen it, you know the line, you know the moment, and it's kinda hard not to feel that way and to have and to have that Grinch moment when you when you do see it.
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So yeah, definitely seeing it again is just like especially if you've gone a long time without seeing it, there are like certain plot twists that will throw you for a loop all over again.
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Just like, oh yeah, that's who you are.
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Oh damn.
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Wow, I'm surprised I didn't see that coming.
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I know.
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It's the fun part about re-watching this show is picking up on all the things you forgot about.
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Paige, what was your initial impressions the first time you watched this, way back in your youth?
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And what about now?
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I was trying to think, I'm pretty sure that since I watched the series out of order initially, because I came in at a later time and I would catch reruns on TV.
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I was long.
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I know.
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Spoilers.
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I was mostly excited in this one to see Jack because I already knew Jack and I was like, oh, it's his first episode.
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That's so exciting.
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Uh iconic character, even if we're not talking about the actor.
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You know, um, every bad male actor in this first series, we really just don't talk about him or Mitchell guy or Mickey.
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It's it's rough.
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Rough out there, the less said, the less said about them, the better.
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Yeah.
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So as we talk about these characters and how much we love them, we're talking about the characters and do not condone the very poor behavior of many a men.
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No, we don't condone that.
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No, I was excited to see the character, and also, like, just like everyone else said, this two-parter takes you through a whole range of emotions, the entire spectrum.
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And I did get a much different experience watching it as an adult, like you said, Chelsea, than watching it when I was like a preteen or whatever.
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It hits a little different when you're a little older, and also there's a lot more war around us right now.
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We're just like, oh, if only we could have these moments.
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But I'm gonna do some of the TARDIS wiki synopsis of these episodes before we dive into the full plot.
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So the empty child chasing a metallic object through the time vortex, the ninth doctor and his companion Rose Tyler arrive in London during the blitz.
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While Rose meets Captain Jack Harkness, the dashing time agent responsible for bringing the object, the doctor finds a group of homeless children terrorized by Jamie, an empty child wearing a gas mask.
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And then the doctor dances.
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The child's plague is spreading throughout wartime London, and its zombie army is on the march.
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The Ninth Doctor and Rose form an alliance with intergalactic con man Captain Jack, but find themselves trapped in an abandoned hospital.
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They head to the crash site of Jack's supposed space junk and discover the ground zero for the mysterious plague.
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Y'all, I feel like the core problem of this episode is men just be doing dumb shit and hurting people because they ain't thinking.
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Captain Jack, come on.
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You just be doing dumb shit.
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Look at all the harm you caused.
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That's a recurring theme throughout this first series, honestly, with the men.
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They just be doing stuff.
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It just makes me think of Adam getting the little head implant again.
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And I'm like, yeah, no, don't do that.
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It's gonna be like snap, baby.
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It's gonna open up and it looks gross.
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I wonder if like maybe we know that like Jack he has some of his memory erase.
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Like, would the Jack before then had made such a decision, you wonder?
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Because he doesn't have those experiences and stuff.
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So we wonder, he's missing two years.
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Yeah.
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Well, fortunately and unfortunately, you're not wrong about how often men just keep fucking things up, whether they intend to or not.
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And in Jack's case, meet seeing him in this episode and meeting him for the first time, he kind of reminds me of John Constantine in a way from from the comics, and that he's a very charming, pansexual con man who just seems to do to do whatever he wants and not really care about the consequences of his actions until you know they get right they clock him right in the face, and then he finally attempts to start doing the right thing to turn things around.
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It's the con man with a heart of gold thing.
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It's like he is m messing things up.
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He thinks it's harmless because he's just gonna steal money from rich people essentially.
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But it's like oopsies, you actually hurt a lot of people.
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And now what are you gonna do to rectify that?
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Exactly.
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And that's where like I like to see his heroic side come out, especially later in the show.
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He's a character that definitely grows.
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Yeah, it does make for good entertainment, so there is that.
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Y'all, the way this episode opens, I love that we just see the TARDIS just crashing through space chasing this weird metallic cylinder all through space and time.
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I do like that it's code mauve, the universally recognized color for danger, because red is camp to the galaxy, and only humans think red is danger.
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I love the personicity of it all.
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The doctor hacks the cylinder's flight to track it, and it just like goes where it goes.
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And eventually it jumps time tracks, and the cylinder's about 30 seconds away from crashing into the heart of London when we smash to credits.
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Y'all, we need more opening credits.
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I'm gonna say it every episode forever and ever.
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And then the TARDIS materializes in an empty alley in London at night, and the doctor and Rose set off to look for the object, with the doctor noting it's been a couple weeks, maybe a month, since the cylinder crashed, and because it jumped time tracks, and honestly, the TARDIS couldn't keep up.
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The TARDIS likes to play little reindeer games.
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The doctor hears music and follows it, but Rose hears a child and wanders in a different path because the child's calling for its mother and she sees a little boy in a gas mask on the roof.
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I mean, which one would you follow?
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The child in a gas mask or the music?
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I feel like the safer one is the music.
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I would follow the child though, because since I work with kids, if I see a child by themselves in public, I'm like, where is your mom or dad?
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I mean, they want to know too.
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Yeah.
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Where's my mommy?
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Uh it's kind of hard for me because it's like I I prefer being safe.
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So, like, if I didn't see the kid, I just would have been like, I'm going to to the music.
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Because like I I would have been like thinking it's a trap or something.
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You're not dying first in this horror film.
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Right.
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Right.
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I am.
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I'm dying first because I'm like, oh no, where's the kid?
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Brian, are you dying first or are you gonna go have a nice cabaret with Liza?
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On one hand, the music is very tempting, and who knows what kind of underground club I could end up in.
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I could swing around a lantern, which would be the 1941 version of swinging around a glow stick, while you know, getting, you know, while cutting a rug.
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On the other hand, I look at, you know, child looking for their mom, and as twisted as it sounds, depending on the race, I might help them out if it's a little white kid is like Do I help this kid and possibly get myself in trouble and put on blast in the newspapers or what?
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So I might have to do like two-facing flip a coin to decide what my path will be, but I'd probably end up going towards the music.
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There you go.
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You gotta be honest.
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I feel like, hmm.
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I probably would get killed first because much like Paige, I've worked with children, and I'm like, where's your parent?
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Let's go figure this out.
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But my heart would be in that cabaret club.
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And that's where the doctor's heart is, because he's following the music.
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And when the singer finishes her amazing set, he steps on stage and just asks the whole audience if something has fallen from the sky recently, and the audience just laughs in his face.
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And then a siren starts ringing and they're evacuating the shelter, and the doctor's looking around trying to figure out why it's weird.
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And then he finally reads the room and reads the posters where he discovers it's 1941 and he's landed in the middle of the London Blitz.
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This is a pretty good joke setup.
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I know it's like on the nose, but it's pretty funny still.
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Meanwhile, Rose is outside and has followed the child to the roof of the building.
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This is where I think I'm out.
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I'm not going up to a roof of a building because then she sees the child standing on top of a cargo container.
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At this point, I'd be asking, How'd the child get to the container?
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And suddenly a rope is dangled in front of her.
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And this is how you know she's gonna die first in the horror film because she grabs it and it just starts rising because it's attached to a barrage of balloons, which are like the big heavy balloons designed to damage any planes that fly through during war.
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And she's really regretting her Union Jack shirt as she holds onto the rope and bombers fly right past her.
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Rose is dying first in this horror film, as all I can think of.
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The shirt is a crazy choice.
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It's a choice.
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All of her rope wardrobe is always a choice.
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Yeah, Rose would be the one to die first in a scream movie in the opening scene.
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Oh, yeah, she's Drew Barrymore.
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A cat girl.
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And then the doctor's back outside searching for Rose, and he finds a cat outside instead.
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And he's just lamenting to the kitty that one day people will listen to him when he says, Don't wander off.
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And I think the doctor should have kept the cat.
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The cat should have just lived in the TARDIS.
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That was what I was thinking.
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It was a good cat.
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Yeah.
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We need a TARDIS cat.
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It just seems right.
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They're right.
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Cats make everything better.
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They do.
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The nice ginger cat.
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Yeah.
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Finally they'll be ginger.
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But then the exterior phone of the TARDIS starts ringing, and it's the doctor is confused because it's not a real phone.
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It's not supposed to work.
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And then suddenly a woman appears and tells the doctor that the call isn't for him.
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And as he goes to scan the phone with his sonic, she just disappears.
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Again, this is a horror film.
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He answers the phone, and the voice on the other side asks, Are you my mummy?
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A few times before the call ends, and the doctor hears a noise down the alley and sees a woman and her husband abandoning their dinner to take shelter from the air raid.
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But then the doctor spots the young woman from earlier.
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She's sneaking into that house to steal some food from the cupboard.
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But she also spots a big old dinner and whistles to the children to follow her.
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Y'all, I like Nancy.
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And as she's serving dinner, like telling the kids, go wash up, one slice each, better see you chewing your food.
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The doctor appears just at the table and clocks that all the children are homeless.
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And the young woman Nancy just takes care of them.
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And the doctor wonders why they didn't evacuate to the countryside, but the kids are like, no, we just came back.
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Remember that guy he made us work, whatever.
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And the doctor is so impressed that Nancy uses the air raids as a time to feed the homeless children and isn't sure if it's Marxism and Action or a West End musical.
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Because the whole time I'm just thinking, there, these are like a bunch of different films all mashed into one, and I love it.
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It just feels like every old musical trope at once.
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You got some Oliver in there and a little bit of cabaret.
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I'm like, let's do this.
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And then the doctor shows the kids a drawing of a cylinder and asks if they've seen it, but suddenly there's a knock on the window and the voice of a child asking for its mother.
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And Nancy's freaked out.
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She's like, kids, doctor, did you lock the door?
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She runs and goes to deadbolt it before ordering the kids to escape out the back entrance.
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And then Nancy tells the doctor, it's not exactly a child, it's just empty.
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And this is the scary part where the kid, like the arm just goes through the mail slot and you see this weird lightning scar on its hand.
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Y'all, that freaked me out.
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And so, like, after the mail slot part, Nancy tells the doctor, don't touch him or he'll turn into him.
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Mm-mm.
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Katrina.
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Yeah.
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Well, I was gonna say, like when you were talking about the different movies that come to mind in that scene, um, especially when they were at the table talking about being like sent out.
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I thought a bit not some broomsticks.
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Yes.
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It felt like a little bit of that, a little bit of hook was in there as well.
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It's just, I mean, you get a bunch of cute kids together, like dirty them up.
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But y'all, again, I'm freaked out by this male slot arm, little scar, and Nancy's like, don't touch him or you'll turn into him.
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And then the phone rings, and the doctor hears the repeated request for the child's mummy, and Nancy just hangs up and explains that it has the ability to make calls even from phones that don't work, explaining why it was able to call the TARDIS.
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And then the doctor speaks to the child through the door, telling it that he isn't its mummy, but the child tells the doctor he's scared of the bombs.
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Uh, and this is where the doctor is just like big heart is gonna just try to help this creature at this point.
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And he just opens up the door, but the child's not on the other side.
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Eventually, Nancy circles back and tells him that if the doctor wants some answers, they need to speak to the doctor, and she shows him a nearby hospital, and the doctor asks who she lost, and she meets she was looking for food one day when the cylinder fell, and her little brother Jamie followed her, and he died during an air raid.
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Everyone put a pen in that.
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I really like Nancy in this episode.
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This little actress, she was acting her butt off.
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She's really good.
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She's running things, she has a whole system.
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Honestly, she's very efficient.
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Good for her.
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She is.
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I want to know like when people come back after being.
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Being in the shelter and they try to find their dinner what they think happened to it.
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Yeah.
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It was the it was the children, the empty children, took all the food.
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But y'all, let's circle back to Rose because she's just dangling from this rope, and she's spotted by a man in a Royal Air Force uniform, and he's just checking her out through his binoculars, complimenting her bottom.
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He's flirting with this British army officer who calls him Jack before telling him he has to meet a girl.
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I mean, that tells you everything you need to know about Jack.
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He's flirting with any and everyone.
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Which, very radical for its time, y'all.
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Remember 2005?
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Times were bad.
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Yes.
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Roseman starts to like lose her grip and like about to fall to her death until a blue beam catches her and she hears Jack's voice telling her, turn off your phone, keep your limbs in the light.
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And eventually she slides down the beam into his ship and right into his arms.
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I mean, I get it.
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That is one charming way to meet a man.
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And he introduces himself as a soldier and hands her his ID, but Rose immediately clocks at its psychic paper and gives it back to him.
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I like that he's just going on and on about it though.
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And she's like, uh-huh, uh-huh.
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No, that's not real.
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What'd y'all think of their little meet cute?
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It was cute, but then I'm like noticing how he mentions like her having a boyfriend named Mickey, but like she's like uh what was the word?
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Like very available, very available, yeah, yeah.
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And it's like she knew that, but then you know, episodes later, she got mad when Mickey was dating Tristy the Lady.
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I think that's her name.
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So it's just like, come on, girl, you are dating through space and time right now.
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You cannot put some boundaries on this relationship with Mickey.
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Let Mickey live.
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She has like three love interests at this point.
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So many at least.
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You need to live your best life, and he needs to live his best life too.
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Especially again, like you just said, since you're traveling through time and space.
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I mean, what are rules?
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Exactly.
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What are rules?
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But no, like after all this cute little stuff and like calling each other out, he uses his ship's little nano genes to heal her rope burn, which I could use some nano genes in my life.
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These dogs are after me at this point.
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And Jack just asks if she's a time agent, but also just assumes.
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And he says that he's been expecting one to show up at this point and invites her to a drink on the balcony, and they dance to Glenn Miller as they float by Big Ben.
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And he's trying to make a deal with her thinking she's a time agent, and she's just rolling with it, thinking he's a professional.
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He's he knows what he's doing, he's gonna help her.
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And then eventually he reveals they're looking for a fully equipped warship and offers to get it for her and the time agency for the right price, but she says she'll have to ask her companion.
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Y'all, I like that they're kind of conning each other in this moment.
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She's getting information, he thinks he's getting money.
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It's like something out of a 40 screwball comedy.
00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:09.519
Exactly.
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Bring back very elaborate dating tropes.
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The doctor goes to this hospital though, like he's he's having his own scary adventure while she's in a rom-com.
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So Nancy shows in this hospital and he goes exploring.
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He finds beds full of these like corpses wearing gas masks, and he meets Dr.
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Constantine and invites the doctor to examine the hundreds of like bodies in this hospital.
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The doctor is perplexed as they all have the exact same inju injuries and the masks are fused to their flesh, but there's no burns or scarring or anything.
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And they all have the same little lightning scar on their hand as the gas mask children we met earlier, like through the mail slot.
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So something's going on.
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But here's the thing the doctor's clocking all this, but not clocking that doctor.
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Constantine has the same scar on his hand as everyone else.
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But Mr.
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Constantine there tells our doctor when the bomb dropped, there was only one victim, but the next morning all the medical staff and patients had the exact same injuries, and that it's a physical injuries as a plague thing.
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So he explains the corpses aren't really dead, and then he like taps his cane and all of them sit up, but there's no signs of life, and they but they can't die.
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So yeah, this is terrifying.
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Again, we get a rom-com and a horror film.
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I love this show.
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I kind of wondered how he was able to not become one of them sooner.
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Same because he's like a thought.
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Yeah.
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Because all you have to do is touch one, and that's how it happens.
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I'm like, were you where I don't know if gloves would work.
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Right.
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That's a good question.
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I don't know.
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I'm not sure.
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Because you know that he would be tempted to touch just one of them at least once.
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I know.
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He's not a very hands-on doctor.
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I I don't think I would go to him for other issues.
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He seems nice though.
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And our doctor wonders why nobody's doing anything.
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And Dr.
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Constantine explains that he's making them comfortable.
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It's like what he can do at this point.
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And he explains before the war he was a father and a grandfather, but now he's neither, but he is still a doctor.
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And our doctor s says that he knows the feeling.
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Eventually he explains the army plans to bomb the hospital and blame it on a German bomb just because they don't know what to do with anything.
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And Dr.
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Constantine has a coughing fit, but through this fit manages to tell the doctor about room 802 where the original child was housed, and to find Nancy because she knows more than she's saying.
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Think we all figured that out.
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And then he begins to turn into one of the little lifeless corpse gas mask people.
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They eventually call him little zombies at some point.
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They're all just empty children in my heart.
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But y'all.
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Rose and Jack just happen upon the hospital.
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I do like that that's not explained at all, really.
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And Rose whispers to the doctor that she had to tell Jack they were time agents and calls him Mr.
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Spock, which is a reference Jack did not get, and I kind of loved it.
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She asks him about the Chula warship, and Jack was like yapping about, and the doctor's like, I'm gonna interrogate this man about bringing a plague down here.
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What did you do to these children?
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But eventually Jack confesses that it was a con and the cylinder was just a space ambulance that he was trying to pass off as something valuable.
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And then he eventually realizes Rose and the doctor aren't time agents.
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He's not getting his payday.
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And the doctor explains human DNA is being rewritten.
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But the gas mask virus carriers suddenly get up and start advancing on our trio.
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Dun-dun.
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And then back at the house, Nancy is raiding the kitchens, but there's a child.
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It gets inside and she tries to hide, but the child finds her and asks, Are you my mummy?
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And Nancy backs away, calling the child the name Jamie, her brother, and replies, but you're dead.
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What a great cliffhanger! That's an intense ending.
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I know.
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We need good cliffhangers.
00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:09.519
And then y'all, it's time for the Doctor dances, which is uh, what an episode.
00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:11.920
Katrina, I know this is one of your favorites.
00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:17.359
You talked about it a lot during the ninth Doctor panel at Chicago TARDIS this year.
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I'm gonna I'm gonna give you some time.
00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:22.160
Why do you love this episode so much?
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I mean, like right from the beginning, like to end the cliffhanger, um, the doctor's like, go to your room.
00:29:30.160 --> 00:29:30.319
Yep.
00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:39.599
But at uh Chicago TARDIS, uh, someone who had a question for Christopher Eccleson had on the mask and was like, Are you my mommy?
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And then he's like, Go to your room, he said it again.
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They were like, Truly, the whole audience went wild.
00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:48.000
He was great at Chicago TARDIS.
00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:51.519
He could only be there for a day and he made it worth it.
00:29:51.839 --> 00:29:53.440
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:54.000
Oh yeah.
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Um I I like what like we're seeing, like, especially if you watch it the second time, you see, like, you know, Nancy's like, you know, I'm I'm not I'm not his mom, but like all along she like was acting like a mom the whole time, and like Jamie could see it.
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Like, I always think about like my own kids, like you can't really get much past them, they can see these, and that's why he kept asking, like, are you my mom?
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And she's kept trying to skirt around the issue.
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Um yeah, and then you know, just as once everyone lives, like we someone like walked in well, they like went to the hospital and had like one leg and they came out with two, and a lot of times that doesn't happen.
00:30:39.279 --> 00:30:49.039
There's always like someone who like doesn't survive and for everyone to survive and knowing what the doctor had went through with the time war.
00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:57.440
Spoilers, spoilers like seeing him being able to have like a happy ending, like just this one.
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So it's just so much like going on in that episode that I I love.
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:05.680
Oh yeah, it's just beautiful.
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So, y'all, let's get back.
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And as you said, I mean, we open with the masked children advancing on the trio, and I just love that the doctor starts shouting, go to your room.
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I'm very cross with you over and over.
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And then when they do, he's like, ooh, can't believe that worked.
00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:30.559
That what an embarrassing way to die.
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My last words.
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I love this doctor so much.
00:31:35.680 --> 00:31:36.799
He's such a goof.
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And then smash to credits again.
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Bring back opening credit sequences, everyone.
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Eventually, Jack explains his con was supposed to be finding harmless space junk and he's gonna throw it through time and convince a time agent it's worth something.
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He was gonna get a 50% down payment from a buyer, and then like once he went to go retrieve it, um, it would be blown up by a German bomb because Jack would know about it in advance, because he can jump through time, and he'd erase all the evidence of his con before the buyer could claim any of it.
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And the doctor shames him saying he caused all this, but Jack insists that it was just an empty, burnt-out medical transport and could it couldn't have done this.
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And it's like, Jack, you kind of are an idiot.
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They head upstairs to room 802 as the all-clear sirens sounds, which every time those sirens went off, I was just so freaked out.
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:34.960
They really did a good job recreating London in this episode, I gotta say.
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And then we cut back to Nancy.
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She's cornered by a child, and that but the child is confused by her shouting that he's dead, and eventually pulls off a mask, and it's like, oh, it's a regular child, thank God.
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And it just like runs away.
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And Nancy hears the all-clear sirens, but before she can really leave, she's caught by the family she's stealing from, and they force her back inside the house because they're gonna report her to the authorities.
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But Nancy, she's a detective, she is Nancy Drew here, and she's like, actually, I'm gonna need these supplies, some wire cutters, we're gonna need this, because I know that you've been messing about with the butcher.
00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:16.000
It's not your wife that everyone else thinks is, it's you.
00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:21.599
And I don't support gay crimes like these hate crimes right now.
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But honestly, very smart black male people.
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It's okay.
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Just a little blackmail, just a little bit.
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She is running things, she just needs like some wire cutters, you know.
00:33:33.039 --> 00:33:36.000
You gotta support women's rights and wrongs, especially in this case.
00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:41.519
Yeah, and he was like, you know, like, oh, all this food is from the sweat from my brow.
00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:46.240
And I'm like, I guess yes, but not in a way that you're making it seem like he can't do it.
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:46.720
Exactly.
00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:55.359
It's like it's like, buddy, you're not working, you're getting down and dirty and getting extra supplies, which you know, everyone, do what you gotta do.
00:33:55.519 --> 00:34:02.160
Yeah, this is not the honest days' work that you're looking to, but it's not the honest days' work that you want to stand there and brag about.
00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:03.519
Exactly.
00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:04.720
It's okay.
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All sex work is valid.
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Never thought we'd get here.
00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:12.000
Like, yeah, you know what?
00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:16.800
Like, you you did bring a good point, but like I know what he meant by that.
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:17.599
Exactly.
00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:35.440
It's one of those, like, yes, it's like the optics of blackmailing somebody for being like gay at that time, pretty like damaging, but also like she just needed a few things, and he was also doing wrongs and getting more supplies than everybody else.
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So, like, support gay rights and gay wrongs.
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:49.360
But we let's cut back to Jack and the Doctor and Rose because Jack is using his little Sonic gun to unlock room 802, and the room is a mess.
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There's an observation booth, and it's all smashed up.
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There's little kid drawings everywhere on the walls, toys scattered about.
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And the doctor sees a little tape recorder and turns it on, and we all hear the voice of Dr.
00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:07.039
Constantine questioning the child, but the child only replies, Are you my mummy?
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:19.519
Rose is confused as it seems like the child doesn't know who its mother is, and the doctor is pondering aloud that he thinks the homeless children were living around the bomb site, and that one of them wandered near the crashed ship and was altered.
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The doctor then realizes that he made a mistake, y'all, and he sent the child to its room, but they're in the child's room.
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He didn't think that one through.
00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:33.119
What do y'all think of that little moment of the doctor being like whoopsies?
00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:41.519
Well, every once in a while the doctor has his moments where he has to kick himself and has to kick himself with soccer cleats on because he fucked up too.
00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:42.480
Exactly.
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And this was definitely the case.
00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:46.320
So true.
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But y'all, the doctor does do a little funsie because Jack tries to shoot the child.
00:35:50.960 --> 00:36:04.480
Of course, that's what Jack would do, but the doctor has swapped his gun for like a banana, and the doctor uses Jack's gun to like digitize a wall so they can escape, and Jack's able to reverse it so it like seals the child in the room.
00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:05.519
Well, sorta.
00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:13.760
It only slows it down because it sounds like the child is just like coming through the walls, and it sounds like a little army of zombies making this way through the walls.
00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:20.480
The doctor eventually realizes that it's every kind of child is going through this, that they're all connected somehow.
00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:25.599
And eventually the doctor and Rose escape to a storage room, but Jack disappears.
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And eventually his voice comes through a disconnected radio, and he explains because of his chip's omcom, he can talk through anything with a speaker.
00:36:33.679 --> 00:36:38.960
And the doctor's like, yeah, just like the empty child can speak through anything with a speaker.
00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:41.920
Jack, it this still might be your fault, buddy.
00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:52.480
The child's voice comes through the radio to taunt them a little bit, but Jack jams the signal by playing Glenn Miller's Moonlight Serenade again, much like he was with Rose later.
00:36:52.719 --> 00:37:01.440
And this is the part where we're about to get into the doctor being jealous of Rose flirting with Jack, because the doctor's always jealous of Rose flirting with people.
00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:06.800
She explains that she likes Jack because he's like the doctor with dating and dancing.
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:11.199
And the doctor says, uh, girl, you assume I don't dance.
00:37:11.440 --> 00:37:20.320
And when she tries to goad him into dancing with her, the doctor notices she doesn't have any rope burns on her hands, even though a couple hours ago she was dangling.
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:27.119
Their chemistry, we said this before, but I think nine in Rose have the best chemistry, honestly.
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:29.280
And this is a good example of that.
00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:29.920
Yeah.
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:35.440
She has chemistry with everybody, but during this rewatch, I'm like, oh, they have good chemistry.
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:43.039
I I like how they use the word dance, meaning like two different things.
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:47.599
Um, and people can't see me like waggling my eyebrows.
00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:50.719
Like, I dance.
00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:53.840
They're they're dancing like the butcher, we'll just say.
00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:54.800
Yeah.
00:37:56.400 --> 00:37:57.920
Dancing like the butcher.
00:37:58.159 --> 00:38:00.480
I didn't expect this episode to go this way.
00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:13.519
Someone's gonna from watching listening to this episode, they're gonna like cosplay like as the butcher and be like some like and if nobody else dresses up as the butcher, Katrina, you're probably just gonna shrug your shoulders like, should I?
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:15.440
Exactly.
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:23.679
Next Chicago TARDIS, Katrina, you're gonna do like the butcher dances, and I'm gonna be a little pating.
00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:28.000
Oh my goodness.
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:28.960
I know.
00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:38.800
But yeah, I love their flirtation and I like that they start to dance, but that's when Jack is just like cock block teleporting them up to his ship.
00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:47.280
And those little nano genes from earlier, they heal the doctor's hand because he like burnt it whenever they were jumping through space and time chasing the cylinder.
00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:51.119
And the doctor clocks that Jack's ship is also a chula design.
00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:57.039
And we also learn that the time agent stole two years of Jack's memories and he's trying to get them back.
00:38:57.199 --> 00:39:06.559
The doctor is so not about trusting Jack because he's such a trickster at this moment, and he doesn't, it feels like he really doesn't believe him about the memories.
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:15.760
And I like that that tension is always there with the doctor and Jack throughout their whole friendship, even though Jack saves the doctor time and time again.
00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:17.920
The doctor's like, mm-hmm, nope.
00:39:18.159 --> 00:39:20.239
Also, you become an abomination later.
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You shouldn't be here.
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:34.000
But y'all, we circle back to Nancy because she is the Mary Poppins of the Blitz and is explaining to the homeless children they need to find somewhere else to stay because they're not safe with her.
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:36.719
The child is only looking for her.
00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:49.760
And to prove this to the children, she points out that the typewriter we've been hearing throughout her whole scene in the background, it's typing on its own, and it looks like it's maybe the child typing up messages to her.
00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:51.440
That was really scary.
00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:57.360
I like that they don't really explain it because it's not like a speaker thing, but I like it anyways.
00:39:57.519 --> 00:40:00.079
Not everything needs to be explained to me.
00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:02.000
That's a cool little detail.
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It is.
00:40:03.039 --> 00:40:04.559
It's such a fun reveal.
00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:08.559
Yeah, and if you really want an explanation that badly, that's what AO3 is for.
00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:09.119
Make your own.
00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:09.840
Exactly.
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Everyone go to the library, go to the archive of our own library.
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:27.119
And I say that applies to a lot of aspects of pop culture of people demanding explanation instead of just letting their imagination do the work when it comes to the lore of whatever fiction that they're watching.
00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:35.199
Even if it's something like sinners, for example, like like, oh, where did the where do the Choctaw vampire killers come from?
00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:38.239
It's like one, we don't need to know that.
00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:39.360
Two, we don't have the time.
00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:42.159
Where did the Transylvanian vampires come from?
00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:44.079
Somebody's mind, that's how.
00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:44.800
Yeah.
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:47.039
Again, that's what AO3 is for.
00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:50.320
Let your imagination do the work if you want to fill in the blanks that badly.
00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:55.599
And I'm always just like, y'all, we're w we're following an alien that travels through space and time.
00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:58.800
I don't need to know every detail of how something happens.
00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:03.039
I just assume it's science, that is magic I don't understand yet.
00:41:03.519 --> 00:41:05.519
Or just go with Lucy Lawless's explanation.
00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:06.719
A wizard did it.
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:07.599
Perfect.
00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:15.280
But y'all, Nancy is also a bad bitch, and she goes to break into the crash site and is discovered by some soldiers.
00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:21.599
Y'all, these soldiers, I feel like, yes, you probably shouldn't be breaking into places in theory.
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:32.559
But she's brought to a tent and they like handcuff her to a chair, and she notices that a soldier is marked, but another soldier who's just not listening to her just leaves her there.
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:35.519
And this poor soldier, he's marked the plague.
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And despite all her warnings and pleas to be let go, he's just, you know, one soldier walks away, the others turn into a little gas masked zombie.
00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:49.519
And the doctor and Rose find her, and Jack distracts the guards by flirting.
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:52.639
Because I like that Rose is like, here, I'll go distract him.
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:56.159
And Jack's like, actually, not your type.
00:41:56.400 --> 00:41:58.000
I will go distract him.
00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:04.239
And I like that the doctor is just like, yeah, things are a little different in the 51st century.
00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:11.440
I love this like very casual acceptance of queerness 21 years ago, whenever we're still trying to get some of that now.
00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:12.320
But y'all.
00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:13.599
Poor, poor Jack.
00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:19.119
His flirting doesn't work because the guards are also turned into little zombie gas masked buddies.
00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:28.239
And the doctor hears Nancy singing in the tent a little lullaby to this zombie and eventually frees her, and they all head to this little chula transport.
00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:31.519
What is with the doctor listening to people singing?
00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:34.480
That's his clues all the time, it feels like.
00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:36.559
That is interesting.
00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:39.599
Like, I only noticed that as I'm reading my notes.
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I'm like, wait a minute.
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:40.719
Yeah.
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He's always following the singing.
00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:43.360
Little Bob.
00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:47.920
No wonder there's always the references to him traveling back in time to different concerts.
00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:50.079
I'm like, maybe we need to see that one day.
00:42:50.239 --> 00:42:51.039
It'd be fun.
00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:54.960
But then the doctor explains to Nancy that they're all from the future.
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And Nancy is like not so sure about it because Rose doesn't have a German accent.
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:04.400
And Rose sneakily reveals that the British will win the war.
00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:07.519
And that is just like a little cute detail.
00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:12.480
Like, I know Rose isn't supposed to break the rules, but it's one of those, yeah, like, don't worry.
00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:13.760
It's gonna be great.
00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:14.880
It'll be fine.
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:16.800
Things won't be horrible after.
00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:18.480
I mean, they might be a little horrible.
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Yeah.
00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:28.480
And eventually the doctor figures out that the Chula medical transport crashed and the nanogenes escaped, and they're programmed to heal because there's like bajillions of them.
00:43:29.119 --> 00:43:34.079
But the first thing they encountered was the dead child Jamie, and he had a gas mask on.
00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:42.239
And because they didn't have like a DNA pattern for what a normal human is, they just thought, oh, dead child with mask, that's the pattern.
00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:44.400
We're gonna go turn everyone into that.
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:49.760
And the doctor also says there's not a child alive who wouldn't tear the world apart to find its mother.
00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:51.679
So that's like the motivation behind it.
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Jamie just wanted his mom.
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And this is the heartbreaking part where Nancy's just like blaming herself for all of this because she Jamie.
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Jamie was following her.
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She was trying to get food.
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And the doctor like starts asking her age and questioning her and realizes Jamie is her son.
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:11.760
She was like 14 or 15 when she got pregnant.
00:44:11.920 --> 00:44:14.960
So super young, like right before the war.
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:17.199
And that was just her thing.
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She didn't want Jamie to know because there's like shame around all of that.
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:23.679
And what a heartbreaking little moment.
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:24.639
Yeah.
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:28.800
Um, you do think about the guilt that she had.
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:38.960
And I it feels even more terrifying to her that he's asking that question because she knows the answer.
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:50.639
And even though, like, she's like, she's like, you know, you're dead, she still doesn't want to reveal that, like, that I'm the mom until like the doctor prompts her because of all of that shame.
00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:57.760
Shame of society, and then like the shame from keeping that from your child, and just saying, like, I'm your sister, you know.
00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:04.800
And just the fact that she's had to go on and mother so many homeless children as well because they don't really have anyone else.
00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:06.000
Uh yeah.
00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:08.400
So many beautiful layers to this.
00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:14.000
That makes that little part where she's singing the little lobby to the child, like, even more heartbreaking.
00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:17.039
Because you're thinking of her now in terms of a mother.
00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:28.960
Through all of this, we we know that like a bomb's coming, they want to blow up the hospital area and stuff, but also because like Jack's accidentally set off some little alarm and whatnot.
00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:32.079
Um, little zombie children, they're activated, y'all.
00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:34.000
It's a little scary, scary moment.
00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:39.119
So we have like the weird countdown, and the little zombie child just wants his mommy.
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And it's so sad.
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So the doctor eventually like comforts her, but is also like, hey, babes, why don't you go and just say, I'm your mom?
00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:51.280
And eventually Nancy does this.
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She hugs the child, and the little nano genes like get her DNA, realize that, oh wait, this DNA matches the kid a little bit.
00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:00.639
Let's adjust some stuff.
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Justice wants everybody lives.
00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:05.920
Exactly.
00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:07.280
Where are these things?
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:10.239
Can we get them in bulk right now?
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:14.880
I would love some nano jeans, especially as I get older.
00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:21.280
Like I have like good collagen, but I think the nano jeans would work better.
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:25.440
It would definitely make me go get a Costco membership right then and there.
00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:27.840
Costco would have it.
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:31.599
We need to get Costco to make some nano jeans for us.
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:39.199
You get the nano jeans in bulk and get yourself the hot dog and a drink for what, a dollar twenty-five or however much that they're still charging for it.
00:46:39.519 --> 00:46:42.800
I mean, under two bucks, get some nano jeans, your hot dog, you drink.
00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:44.079
Perfect market.
00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:46.320
Chula Costco collab.
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We need it.
00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:48.320
Day well spent.
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It's so great because like it unlocks the genetic code and eventually, like all the nano genes, it like everybody lives.
00:46:55.599 --> 00:46:57.599
The woman, she gets her leg back.
00:46:57.760 --> 00:46:58.719
It's so great.
00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:02.079
And the doctor unmasks Jamie, lifts him up.
00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:02.800
It is so good.
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:05.199
I'm like choking up right now thinking about it.
00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:09.679
But then Rose is like, uh, y'all, don't forget about the bomb.
00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:12.079
And the doctor's like, nah, I got you.
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:21.440
Um, Jack eventually, like in his ship, he's got the bomb in his little tractor beam, and he just takes it out, gets gets rid of the bomb, you know?
00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:23.360
We just like dust that out.
00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:27.039
I like that we can just make up really silly ways to like stop bombs.
00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:29.039
Can we do that in real life too?
00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:33.360
And so eventually, like, everybody lives, it's great.
00:47:33.679 --> 00:47:45.199
And oh, I love this so much because eventually, like, they end up in the TARDIS and we're gonna have a nice time, and we get some more Glenn Miller playing great music, y'all.
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:50.239
And they enter the console room, and the doctor is just like ready to have a real jig.
00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:53.199
He's ready to cut up right then and there.
00:47:53.519 --> 00:47:55.360
And Jack gets a little jealous.
00:47:55.519 --> 00:47:58.639
Rose is like, oh, you're gonna teach Time Lord how to dance?
00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:03.760
And eventually the doctor's like, yeah, who does Jack want to dance with?
00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:08.000
And Rose realizes, wait, Jack is also flirting with the doctor.
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I love this.
00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:12.000
I understand where people get their favorite thruple from.
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:15.920
I was gonna say, I'm just saying all three of them could dance together.
00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:17.519
That's a great dance.
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:18.159
Yeah.
00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:21.360
More thruples in our television shows, please and thank you.
00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:22.320
Exactly.
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:25.440
And I love that this is how we end the episode.
00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:27.519
It's like, who you gonna dance with?
00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:37.039
Y'all, this episode, so much fun.
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:38.000
It's great.
00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:43.280
We did have a few listener questions, though, um, from our friend novel.
00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:50.880
I think a good one is maybe for those who've seen Classic Who, how did this horror compare like to the classic series?
00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:56.000
Because so many people cite this as their hide behind the sofa moment with the gas mask children.
00:48:56.079 --> 00:49:02.719
And a lot of people in the classic series, that was like scary for them, but to us now, it's not super scary.
00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:06.400
Any of y'all watch Classic Who have any thoughts on this?
00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:11.679
I only watch like very sporadic episodes as they appear on like Pluto TV.
00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:17.039
Yeah, I I guess like a Roku channel with like classic who episodes.
00:49:17.280 --> 00:49:20.639
Yeah, say I yeah, so I I get that.
00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:34.719
And whenever I hear people talk about growing up watching the show, how like they hid behind the couch, and it just kind of goes back to me talking about how I'm experiencing things as I'm watching it with them.
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:39.199
So I would definitely agree, like, yeah, this is a hide behind a couch thing.
00:49:39.519 --> 00:49:48.000
I think it honestly does compare well to the classic series because back then it was just like very simple people in costumes and it was scary.
00:49:48.159 --> 00:49:52.639
This is just a kid in a gas mask saying something and it's very scary.
00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:55.760
It reminds me like also the shining in many ways.
00:49:55.920 --> 00:49:58.880
Like, children be scary, children be creepy.
00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:01.280
I like it in that very scary way.
00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:03.599
And it turns out it's not supposed to be scary at all.
00:50:03.679 --> 00:50:04.639
It's okay.
00:50:04.880 --> 00:50:07.199
They were all just trying to live.
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:13.840
And then Topaz Sam, she's like, this is one of the first historicals in the new series.
00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:15.920
We also had Charles Dickens back then.
00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:30.239
For those coming into Doctor Who Fresh, how how do y'all feel about the tonal shift in this sci-fi classic TV show, going from future episodes to like kind of contemporary episodes, all the way back to the London Blitz?
00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:34.960
What was your experience going through all space and time, essentially?
00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:35.679
I don't know.
00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:40.159
I feel like I just roll with everything, so I don't have a good response to this.
00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:41.679
I everyone knows me.
00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:43.599
I watch a soap opera and I'm like, yeah, okay.
00:50:43.920 --> 00:51:01.119
I basically took the same approach in terms of when I first when I first started watching Doctor Who was like, it's a show where about traveling through time in space, it's like if you're not going to roll with what comes and what the characters are dealing with, it's not going to be a show that you really enjoy.
00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:08.639
You have to sit back and let the characters take you to wherever it is that they go next, whether it's in the past or the future.
00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:17.199
And uh something I was gonna say earlier is that even looking back on this episode, which was all the way back in 2005, good lord.
00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:21.840
And you look at something like the special effects where they transform like Dr.
00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:23.840
Constantine into the gas mask.
00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:25.119
Oh, it's terrifying.
00:51:25.440 --> 00:51:27.199
The transformation the transformation.
00:51:27.519 --> 00:51:31.440
It is terrifying, and you even the special effects, you're just like, okay, uh-uh.
00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:33.519
It's special effects from 2005.
00:51:33.760 --> 00:51:39.039
You can't really judge it with judge those special effects with 2026 eyes.
00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:46.880
But also at the same time, if the story is good enough it's like with anything you're watching, even if it's a horror or sci-fi movie, uh-uh.
00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:52.559
If the story is good and absorbing enough, you're not really gonna care so much about the quality of the effects.
00:51:53.519 --> 00:52:11.440
You're just gonna care about what's happening, what's happening in the story and how, and just you're just gonna keep suspending your disbelief because you want to enjoy the story that's being told, and that's definitely the case here, even with the gas mask transformation looking kind of wonky as it does now compared to special effects of today.
00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:12.320
Exactly.
00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:15.360
Like honestly, I love a good character-driven show.
00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:20.800
I don't care that the effect of him turning into the mask looks like Goosebumps Mask at all.
00:52:21.039 --> 00:52:22.159
Because it is scary.
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:30.960
There is something kind of really scary about how it changes and that it's not like a perfect Marvel superhero like big budget thing.
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There's something extra scary and the gritty.
00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:54.400
I'm glad you mentioned Marvel because like I feel like people judge movies on things like special effects, and it's like, well, there's a lot more to that than special effects, because if you go to a play, like everything's not got like if someone gets stabbed on stage, it's not gonna look like it would in real life, like or whatever.
00:52:54.559 --> 00:53:00.559
It's like what you're you're in it, you're in in it for the story more than anything, and I think people will kind of lose sight of that.
00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:04.159
They're just like, Well, it's not like this Marvel movie, you know.
00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:14.079
And that's the thing, we've seen the Marvel like vacation of who, like later when Disney takes it over, and it just feels like a completely different show.
00:53:14.239 --> 00:53:19.760
There's something special about Doctor Who being pretty practical in many ways.
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:24.320
Uh and also to make a complaint like that about how, oh, such and such is not like a Marvel movie.
00:53:24.400 --> 00:53:26.000
It's like, okay.
00:53:26.559 --> 00:53:31.119
You're that's like basically it's like you taking a bite out of a cheeseburger and complaining that it's not a pizza.
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:32.880
It's something entirely different.
00:53:33.280 --> 00:53:33.920
Exactly.
00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:36.320
So why would you expect this to be that?
00:53:36.639 --> 00:53:37.280
I know.
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:41.599
Here's some fun world-building moment.
00:53:41.920 --> 00:53:52.719
The German bomb that Jack's hanging out on at first, um, it translates like very loosely to Bad Wolf, continuing our little bad wolf arc throughout the series.
00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:54.719
I thought that was pretty fun.
00:53:55.039 --> 00:54:01.440
And yeah, this is the second time the cold opening is used to resolve a cliffhanger from the previous episode.
00:54:01.679 --> 00:54:06.079
This also happened with our Slitene World War III episodes.
00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:07.920
It was very silly.
00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:13.440
This, I would say, is probably the better of the two by far.
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:18.559
Even though I do have a soft spot in my heart for Aliens of London and World War III.
00:54:18.719 --> 00:54:19.920
They're very silly, Billy.
00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:27.840
And I think this is really what makes the show special, is are the episodes like Empty Child and Doctor Dances.
00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:37.440
That's also what makes the show special, is that we have silly episodes like those that you talked about, and also more serious ones like this.
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:38.559
Exactly.
00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:43.039
And Stephen Moffat, good job on your first outing here.
00:54:43.360 --> 00:54:53.280
And he's somebody apparently, like anytime he popped in to these first few seasons to do an episode, he had like no context for everything before and after.
00:54:53.519 --> 00:55:04.159
So I just like I love that he managed to really place and track everything pretty well, like where the characters were and their stories, like throughout this.
00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:21.760
Also, to quickly follow up on what Paige just said, basically, this would be the type of episode I know most recently a lot of like television fans have said that they want longer TV seasons to make a comeback, that they want their shows to give them 22, 20 to 24 episode seasons again.
00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:36.000
And you look at something like these two episodes, and they would probably be considered filler episodes because they don't they have they don't lean directly into like say the mythology or any story arcs or anything.
00:55:36.559 --> 00:56:02.480
And like you just said, you want uh quote unquote silly episodes like this where the characters can get off, can get off the main path and go out and go on to go do a side mission of sorts, and you're still gonna be entertained, you're still gonna have fun with what hap with what happens, and it doesn't need to uh uh be connected to the main it doesn't need to be connected to Bad Wolf or any other main stories.
00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:10.239
You're still gonna get more world building, you're gonna have an opportunity for memorable characters to be introduced like Jack.
00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:10.880
Mm-hmm.
00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:14.239
And fun and fun is still going to be had.
00:56:14.559 --> 00:56:14.960
Exactly.
00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:26.400
I love that you brought this up as like the example of filler episodes, because it seems like there we're in an era of people just want plot, and maybe that's why things are six to eight episodes anymore.
00:56:26.719 --> 00:56:33.519
I love filler episodes, quote unquote, because uh they feel like world-building episodes, if anything.
00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:34.159
Absolutely.
00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:36.239
They're just enhancing this.
00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:40.320
And we all always say we just want to hang out with our favorite characters.
00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:42.800
I think that's why AO3 exists.
00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:47.679
And this is just like one, we get to have the beautiful uplifting moment.
00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:54.079
We get to have the scary moment in the first part, and then you just everybody lives and it's great.
00:56:54.159 --> 00:57:03.199
You need those moments, and it's also a good way to introduce new characters and really use London in the environment and have a good historical episode.
00:57:03.440 --> 00:57:05.199
Oh, I was gonna say, I agree with both of you guys.
00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:18.000
I I like filler episodes or um even um bottle episodes where it's just you know, like they're saving money and they're just like in that one space, but cool things can still happen.
00:57:18.079 --> 00:57:40.320
And and as a bonus, you get through Jack and his characterization, you get a view, I would just I can say a lot simple more view of there's so much more to to human sexuality than than heterosexuality, and think of think of all the possibilities, especially going all the way into as far as the 51st century.
00:57:40.639 --> 00:57:45.360
So here's our opportunity to play around with that a little to play around with that a little.
00:57:45.679 --> 00:58:00.880
Yeah, like people don't realize just how groundbreaking Captain Jack as a character was being so like omnisexual, as they say within the show, because it was really like that, the L-word, and then like Russell's other show, Queer as Folk.
00:58:01.039 --> 00:58:06.239
Like, come on, like we're not getting too much queer content or good positive stuff.
00:58:06.400 --> 00:58:11.840
Like, usually it's the barrier gaze, which is still happening 21 years later.
00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:15.360
It's about to happen now on a probably another soap opera soon.
00:58:15.519 --> 00:58:17.679
I'm pretty sure a character's about to die, y'all.
00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:19.280
We'll see what happens.
00:58:19.599 --> 00:58:25.199
But let's talk about another little funny moment of dialogue that made me giggle.
00:58:25.360 --> 00:58:32.400
Uh, Jack says at one point, you've got to set your alarm for volcano day because they're talking about um Hulldaying and Pompeii.
00:58:32.639 --> 00:58:43.360
And eventually we get the nice Fires of Pompeii episode with Ten and Donna and not Amy Pond and not Peter Capaldi's 12th doctor.
00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:58.000
And then I also love that the doctor jokingly tells Rose that he's Father Christmas and mentions the red bicycle she got when she was like 12, and which was a gift from him, apparently.
00:58:58.320 --> 00:58:59.920
I love that so much.
00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:01.599
That's crazy.
00:59:02.320 --> 00:59:10.400
I also love you mentioning how the future Doctor Who actors pop up in roles completely different from what we later going to see them.
00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:17.679
It's like watching any version of Law and Order and seeing actors before they end up becoming hired to play the cops and the attorneys.
00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:21.840
And you're like, oh yeah, that's Jeremy Sisto or or Samuel L.
00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:24.400
Jackson, all babyface and whatnot.
00:59:24.800 --> 00:59:25.679
Exactly.
00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:27.360
I I don't mind that.
00:59:27.440 --> 00:59:28.960
Again, I watch soap operas.
00:59:29.039 --> 00:59:32.079
I'm about to get like a bunch of recasts on days of our lives.
00:59:32.239 --> 00:59:34.400
Like, use those people again if they're good.
00:59:34.559 --> 00:59:35.360
It don't matter.
00:59:35.519 --> 00:59:36.000
It's great.
00:59:36.239 --> 00:59:42.239
Or if you grew or if you grew up on the WB, it's like you would see actors being you being regularly used all the damn time.
00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:43.280
Exactly.
00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:45.119
It's like I remember that face.
00:59:45.280 --> 00:59:47.440
They must all be filming in the same city.
00:59:47.679 --> 00:59:48.159
Mm-hmm.
00:59:48.320 --> 00:59:49.679
Most likely Vancouver.
00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:50.559
Most likely.
00:59:50.719 --> 00:59:53.360
If it's not Vancouver, it's like Wilmington.
00:59:53.679 --> 00:59:54.480
Back then.
00:59:56.159 --> 00:59:58.239
Y'all, this was so much fun.
00:59:58.400 --> 00:59:59.519
Thank you so much.
00:59:59.679 --> 01:00:04.800
Any last thoughts about this episode before we hop in the TARDIS and skedaddle?
01:00:05.119 --> 01:00:08.000
Um, related to this, I do have a question for you all.
01:00:08.239 --> 01:00:11.519
Um, which doctor would you want to dance with?
01:00:11.840 --> 01:00:18.320
I mean, just because I met her this past weekend a couple times, like me and Jody Whitaker.
01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:21.920
I just want to see what moves she has because I feel like it'd be very funny.
01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:24.079
I have zero moves, so that's it.
01:00:24.159 --> 01:00:25.119
I would be the DJ.
01:00:25.519 --> 01:00:27.519
Yeah, I have to agree with Jody.
01:00:27.760 --> 01:00:29.199
She's the first that comes to mind.
01:00:29.280 --> 01:00:30.320
She'd be so fun.
01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:35.599
You just again, she's always talking about like going to concerts and stuff anytime she's on a panel.
01:00:35.679 --> 01:00:39.519
So it's like, you know, she's probably like throwing her arms everywhere.
01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:40.480
It's a good time.
01:00:41.199 --> 01:00:43.199
So I would pick Jodi too.
01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:44.400
And I I agree.
01:00:44.480 --> 01:00:46.079
I think she probably does have the moves.
01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:49.119
And I I remember, I don't know how they got it.
01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:58.880
How so whoever got it was she was like at a Beyonce concert and she was like dancing, and I was just like, oh, all over the place with different things that she likes.
01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:02.400
Oh my gosh, send if you know where it is, send it to us.
01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:03.119
Yeah.
01:01:03.519 --> 01:01:05.760
I too would probably end up dancing with Jody.
01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:09.199
It would probably be a tie between Jody and Tenant, actually.
01:01:09.360 --> 01:01:12.079
If only because I'd want to see what moves Tenant has, also.
01:01:12.639 --> 01:01:14.000
I know, it's great.
01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:14.800
We love them.
01:01:14.880 --> 01:01:17.119
We love our broad church babes.
01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:26.480
Y'all companions, thank you so much for wandering into the TARDIS today.
01:01:26.559 --> 01:01:29.679
Sorry, we took you to the Blitz, but don't worry, everybody lives.
01:01:29.840 --> 01:01:33.119
Let's remind listeners where they can find you and all your work.
01:01:33.360 --> 01:01:35.920
Brian, where can the good people find you?
01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:40.719
Uh, the good people can find me on Blue Sky and Instagram as hello resident ny.
01:01:41.440 --> 01:01:45.840
You can find my work on pajiva.com and some of my older work on uprox.com.
01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:47.280
Beautiful.
01:01:47.599 --> 01:01:50.400
Katrina, where do you want people to find you?
01:01:52.639 --> 01:01:57.840
Um, so I have also I didn't mention it earlier, but I am on blue sky just as myself.
01:01:58.079 --> 01:02:01.519
I I post a lot of like Doctor Who and Golden Girl stuff.
01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:02.639
I just remember what's going on.
01:02:02.800 --> 01:02:03.280
This is why we're friends.
01:02:04.480 --> 01:02:05.039
Yes.
01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:06.639
I remember what I want to say.
01:02:06.719 --> 01:02:16.960
Like I love that whenever I hear Glenn Miller music now, I think of this episode of Doctor Who, and then also multiple episodes of the Golden Girls.
01:02:17.119 --> 01:02:20.320
Like those two things are in my head when I hear Glenn Miller.
01:02:21.039 --> 01:02:30.000
So I w you know what would be cool if like the doctor actually like goes on like the search party for Glenn Miller and maybe Glenn Miller didn't really die.
01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:32.320
Oh, this could be a good like audio.
01:02:32.639 --> 01:02:33.920
Oh big finish.
01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:41.519
Come on, we're just audio where Glenn Miller he didn't die, like he actually got um because like Dorothy said he's missing.
01:02:41.679 --> 01:02:46.960
He is missing, he got like taken into space and he's like helping people with space make music and stuff.
01:02:47.360 --> 01:02:51.360
Maybe he was accidentally abducted, like he got into a tractor beam or something.
01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:52.400
Yeah.
01:02:53.599 --> 01:02:54.559
I love this.
01:02:55.360 --> 01:02:56.320
That's incredible.
01:02:56.480 --> 01:02:58.400
I need that immediately.
01:02:58.880 --> 01:03:01.840
We need that, we need Jody dancing to Beyonce.
01:03:02.320 --> 01:03:03.760
Let's have this happen.
01:03:03.920 --> 01:03:05.840
Y'all are the best guests ever.
01:03:06.559 --> 01:03:11.440
So, yeah, so I I am also on Blue Sky, uh Katranity Parker.
01:03:11.519 --> 01:03:22.239
I'm on Instagram Patranity Parker, or um, I'm not really posting anything right now on my um quirky pop piece, but if you want to listen to some of my older episodes, uh Telsa's been on my show before.
01:03:22.480 --> 01:03:28.400
Talking about golden girls, yes, talking about the golden girls as quirky pop.
01:03:28.880 --> 01:03:32.000
Um eventually there'll be new episodes out.
01:03:32.239 --> 01:03:33.199
We'll get to it.
01:03:33.360 --> 01:03:34.480
It's been a time, y'all.
01:03:34.559 --> 01:03:35.360
We're living.
01:03:36.239 --> 01:03:38.320
Thank you for listening to Across the Universe.
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Pai, remind the time lords where they where else they can find you.
01:03:57.039 --> 01:04:00.639
Um, they can find me at thoughts by page on blue sky.
01:04:00.800 --> 01:04:05.360
I am Hay Smithers on Tumblr when I remember to get on there.
01:04:05.679 --> 01:04:08.960
I am Paige Noel Kaiser on Instagram.
01:04:09.280 --> 01:04:11.599
I am also on the podcast.
01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:19.119
Sh my stories are on with Chelse and our friends Jesse and Owen, talking about a lot of different TV stuff.
01:04:19.360 --> 01:04:27.679
I also have a substack that's called Girlhood and Low Resolution, where I talk about being a girl on the internet in the 2000s.
01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:29.519
And it's wonderful.
01:04:29.760 --> 01:04:39.360
And I'm Chelse 725 on the blue sky serialized, which is like TV letterbox, occasionally real letterbox when I decide to let people know what movies I'm watching.
01:04:39.519 --> 01:04:40.480
I know I'm weird.
01:04:40.639 --> 01:04:42.639
And then Chelse Eichels on Instagram.
01:04:42.800 --> 01:04:46.000
And if you can find my Tumblr, you're stronger than a Nano Gene.
01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:53.840
You can listen to me and my fellow agent and podcast companion Gavin on the Q Division, a James Bond movie marathon podcast.
01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:59.199
Wherever you listen to your podcasts, Brian's episode will be out by the time this is out.
01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:00.079
It's so good.
01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:01.519
We talk Grace Jones.
01:05:01.760 --> 01:05:03.920
Oh, she's so hot and cool.
01:05:04.159 --> 01:05:08.239
And I can also be heard on the shh, my stories are on pod.
01:05:08.639 --> 01:05:10.960
Brian was also our traders correspondent.
01:05:11.039 --> 01:05:14.719
We all suffered through the traders together and we are stronger for it.
01:05:15.840 --> 01:05:24.639
Maybe we'll just start having to cover the British ones, the celebrity traders and regular traders UK, because they've been renewed for like the next five years or something.
01:05:24.800 --> 01:05:25.519
It's crazy.
01:05:25.840 --> 01:05:26.719
Say less.
01:05:26.960 --> 01:05:27.679
Exactly.
01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:30.880
And I'm also on the And a Rewatch pod.
01:05:31.039 --> 01:05:35.920
Occasionally we're talking the show Selfie, and then we used to talk community, Mythic Quest.
01:05:36.079 --> 01:05:36.960
We'll get some other stuff.
01:05:37.039 --> 01:05:39.119
They're doing some new girl over there.
01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:41.519
So yeah, go go check all that out.
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It'll be in the show notes.
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Be sure to join us for our next adventure across space and time as we revisit Boomtown.
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Until next time, we'll see you in the Time Vortex.
