Game Misconduct

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Music.
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Hey guys, welcome back. It's Harkin and Jo, and you're listening to a swift
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intro. Thank you so much for listening again.
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Whether you're a seasoned football fan or just here for the snacks,
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we're taking a deep dive into the plays, the players, and all the drama that
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makes football one of the greatest games.
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We'll deliver all the hot takes with a side of sass.
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This week has some huge news again, some injuries, lots of drama. Let's break it down.
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All two news. We got some major news incoming yesterday.
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You're fired. Yeah. A few. Bloody Monday. A few firings. Yeah.
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A few Bloody Monday firings.
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Saints head coach Dennis Allen. I mean. That was. Yeah. Yeah.
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My favorite part of that was Michael Thomas, though. Oh, my God. He was a.
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He was on one. He was like ready to fight Dennis Allen.
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Those tweets or like whatever were in
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his drafts they were in that notes app
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ready to go like they were all ready to go there was so much hatred towards
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him and as soon as Dennis Allen was fired he was like yep told you people you
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led a campaign against him there was another I forget his name but there was
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someone else on I don't know if you saw this on the saints,
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I believe it was on Mercedes and he was also tweeting about how bad their team is and stuff.
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Do you remember what I'm talking about? And then someone from the Panthers had
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tweeted at him, like, are we battling for last? And he's like,
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who cares? January 10th, we're both going to be in Kabul.
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And I was like, wow, really giving up on the season.
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I think I saw that on Instagram somewhere. But yeah. Yeah. I think the Saints
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players are bored with this.
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You don't say. You take their tweets.
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Yeah, I'm not surprised by that. When I'm surprised, it's only Saints head coach
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so far, but I'm not surprised by that.
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Yeah. I mean, like, when they started the season, how, I mean,
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including us, we were like, look at that defense.
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They might be the biggest surprise of this year.
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And here we are. Fence. We talked about the offense. Week 10.
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We thought the offense was doing well, and oh, God.
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The defense was also, like, those first two weeks, they shut some teams down.
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Yeah, the first two weeks, and that was it. After that, it was over.
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Yeah. I feel bad for Dennis Allen to a degree. It sucks to lose your job,
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but he needed to be gone. Yeah.
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Can you hear it? From one person that needed to be gone to the next.
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Raiders. Offensive defender.
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Yeah, I don't know. So, I mean, yeah, like, I wonder if all final offensive
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play calling was on Luke Getze.
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Because I have questioned some of the choices they've made, but I wasn't sure
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if that was Pierce or if it was all on Luke Getze.
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I think the Raiders are solid on defense, and I know Antonio Pierce is a defensive-minded
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coach. I was about to say that, yeah.
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I'm not sure about final calls on the offensive side. If it is Luke Getze,
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I think this makes a lot of sense.
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Like some of those calls have been questionable, but I've kind of held Antonio Pierce to that.
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And having said that, I'm kind of questioning why it took him this long to do
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that, to do this, if it was all on Luke Getze.
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Like there's been multiple weeks where we've been seeing questionable calls from him.
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Oh, 100%. And I feel like they try to, Other than Woody Johnson,
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they try to hold off on firing someone too early into the year.
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But I do think Luke Getzey was doing most of the offensive calls.
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I think Antonio Pierce is a more defensive-minded.
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So I think he was trying to let
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that be. I think that's a great call by management. He needs to be gone.
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Hopefully, Talith Brady can get in there and start deciding who to hire Pounat
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to see some difference with the Raiders.
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Maybe Greg Olsen will get his job back.
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See Tom Brady on the sidelines he's like I'll just take over offensive coach.
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Uh Dak is out for multiple weeks yeah
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how are you feeling about that I mean I think I
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was ready to write the season off already so I think it is what it is but I
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think this last game just really cemented yeah it's yeah yeah yeah I agree with
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that sucks for the Cowboys to a degree but i mean i don't think they were going
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anywhere anyway so it doesn't really,
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yeah i think it's really sad because like i ordered this new sweatshirt and
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then i went to hot yoga on sunday morning and by the time i got back it was
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like the game had already started,
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but just like came into the house tv's already on start watching it i'm like
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about to go shower and like you know put on clothes and i was like i don't want
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to wear this sweatshirt right now And normally I'm very excited to wear new things.
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Do you ever get a return package on that?
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I mean, yeah, I'll probably keep it. It's pretty cute, but we'll save it for another day.
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I feel for Tom. I think he's actually genuinely a nice guy.
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I think outside of football he is, but man, it might be a blessing in disguise.
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We're right off this season and let's move on from there.
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Yeah, it's just a complete... You know what I will say, though?
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A little bit of a hot take maybe but I think Micah Parsons would have been a
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lot back a lot sooner if this team was doing well halfway decent not even well
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halfway decent but because they're so sure he's like I'm gonna take my time
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I'm good a podcast with Sam Brown quite a bit too so he,
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he's chilling right now he was like I'm good we'll let it be,
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yeah i i agree with that.
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Let's get into the story of week nine. And guys, I'm just going to start off
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on a tangent a little bit.
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I know today, the day we're recording is Election Tuesday in the States.
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I know that no matter what, come tomorrow, the country's going to wake up divided
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a little bit, half heartbroken, half not.
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But there is one thing I think we can all agree upon is that the Dallas Cowboys
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suck and even Dak Prescott said it during the last game in the sidelines.
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He did. So I'm going to hold on to that one, guys, and say we can stay united behind that one phrase.
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What do you think, Sargon? I mean, I don't know.
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Yeah, probably.
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They do suck, though. that was not wrong
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that game was brutal found a
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hilarious song him on the sidelines going we f and
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suck i was like yeah yeah yeah you know
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what though i felt so bad for cd lamb because he was trying his goddamn hardest
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and then he was so hurt and they took him out of the game which they should
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have he has an ac osprey and i think yeah and then he's on the sidelines like
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begging anybody who will listen to put him back in.
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Like, if that's not, that's not heart.
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He does have heart. I'll give him that. It sucks to have heart for a team that's
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not doing anything for you.
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Well, I guess when you have heart, you just kind of have it first off.
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You don't get to pick and choose. I think he does well with your guys' backup QB, though.
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So I'm hoping that he still has a good...
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Yeah, but I think the problems are just so much different. deeper
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than that like when everybody
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knows that cd is like really
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the option and the only option it's so easy to
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defend right so yeah and
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the falcons really did come in there was
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a moment where the cowboys were fighting and it looked good but as always they
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just can't close the game and the falcons just went ahead yeah and i said this
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last week like if the cowboys wanted to win they They needed to take advantage
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of like those opportunities where they put that Falcon's D on their heels because,
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you know, they don't have the greatest D.
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And they weren't able to take advantage and they weren't able to win the game. So, yeah.
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Sad story, but United may stand behind the Cowboys doing bad decisions.
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Maybe this was needed for the nation.
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The Jets won.
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Shockingly. Yeah, finally. You know what? I guess kind of shockingly,
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but like the Texans have been showing cracks for a couple weeks now.
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And then Stroud just got sacked like eight times.
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He left the game for a bit, which didn't help. And Rodgers pulled out some magic.
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And you know what? The Texans' D wasn't really able to put enough pressure on
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Rodgers either, which let him get those passes out.
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I feel like the Rodgers in the first half wasn't the best, but he gathered himself
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up in the second half and kind of came back for his defense.
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And so the Jets defense kind of kept the game close. I have to give them their props.
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It allowed Rodgers to come back in the second half. Yeah.
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Rodgers had some of his old magic back throughout the second half.
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That Garrett Wilson catch was an instant iconic moment, I think, from this season.
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Yeah. The one-handed back. It's kind of like that OBJ catch when it happened
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back in the day. A wild catch.
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Also, side note, if Nike Jordan is not signing Garrett Wilson, Honestly.
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And putting out some sweatshirts out there. Their marketing is slacking. A hundred percent.
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Like I will buy that sweatshirt. That was a great catch.
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I think, you know, it's so funny. I don't know if you heard earlier in the week,
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Rogers said, I don't know what Rogers and JJ Watt had a little thing going on.
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And JJ Watt was like, this man just needs to go focus on football and winning
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some games and stop talking about things Like he's alleviating pain by drinking
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water and cayenne pepper, which is what apparently he does to alleviate pain.
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No, that's his anti-aging remedy.
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Have you seen the man? He is aging. I know, I know. But that's what it is.
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It's not working. Just take the bottle of cayenne at this point.
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Okay, honestly, does it not remind you of like those weird like random naturopathic
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or whatever some easier mom finds on TikTok? and, like, sends you.
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I mean, he is a similar age to my mom, so I guess it makes sense, but...
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Yeah, I don't know. But J.J. Watt called him out. And apparently Rodgers took
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that to heart because he was like, yeah, that gave me motivation.
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I was like, well, I've got something good.
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Yeah. Because you haven't been doing well before that.
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Good for him. Glad for him. I hope it's a turn for them. I don't know.
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They're three and six. I still can. Unless they have some miracle run,
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they're still not. Any other games catch your eyes?
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Dolphins, Bills. Yeah, that one was way better than I expected.
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Yeah, it was quite close, but Dolphins couldn't close it. Bills could.
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And you know what? I thought this game, you know, the Bills have been a contender, yeah.
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But, you know, everybody, including myself, you question it.
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Because the Bills always, they have their moments where they just, they don't show up.
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And this could have been one of those, like, classic Bills moments where they
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almost had it. and screwed up.
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But I thought it was really nice, like Alan's play in that drive to get that.
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Game-winning goal and then going back when
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the Dolphins got got the ball back they got the sack
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on Tua and just like shut down that game yeah right yeah
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no I give you that I think the Bells did show up instead of
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choking as usual or kind of not finishing the game I also think though Tua made
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some errors in judgment some mistakes that did cost him the game as well so
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I think it was like a combination of both right like it was Bills finally closing
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it out plus Tua kind of having,
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I don't know, coming back, growing. CTE?
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Yeah, actually, just CTE.
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He went head first. Did you see the man? He went head first,
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and I was like, sir, what are you doing right now?
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I think the whole league kind of went, what is wrong with you?
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Yeah, 100%. Yeah, and I agree, too.
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I definitely had some mistakes, but there are Dolphins, or Dolphins,
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It's Bill's teams of the past who would not have capitalized on any of that.
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So it was nice to see, I mean, like a very small step in the right direction.
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But it's definitely in the right direction. Well, progress is progress.
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Good for Alan. I'm glad he's kind of learning.
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Yeah, because I mean, that's what you need at the end of the day.
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If you look at like even the, I mean, off topic, but Chiefs-Bucks game,
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there were a bunch of problems that they had.
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But as usual, Mahomes knew how to finish the game and got it done on the overtime winning drive.
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And I think that's what Alan needs to learn, that like even if you have issues
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in the past, if it's within grasp how not to mess up and kind of push through the last play.
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And I'm glad he did that. I think that was awesome.
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Yeah, just like shooting yourself in the phone. Yeah, exactly.
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Which they've done multiple times.
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No, that was a really fun game, which I didn't expect. yeah it was good I thought
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going back to Bucks and Chiefs though.
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The mistake the Bucs made, I think. Oh, my God. Not going for the two-point conversion.
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Yeah. Why the hell not? Like, you can't take it to overtime with Mahomes and
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the Chiefs on the other side.
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And what, you're going to gamble on a 50-50 shot of the coin toss?
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Did you see, what's his name, Baker's face?
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He knew. He knew. He was like, it's over. He knew. Yeah.
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That made zero sense to me. You go for the two-point on that.
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Like, come on. You just had this great drive.
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Yeah. You kind of have the Chiefs. You have the momentum.
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Why not just go for it? I would love to know what the coaching discussion was
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there because, like, it makes zero sense to me.
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You're not even, like, you don't think you're going to get the ball back.
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You know they're just going to let it be.
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It goes into overtime. You can't gamble on that with Mahomes there or the Chiefs.
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That's a ridiculous gamble to take, and they paid for it.
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They lost the game, and I put that all on that call.
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Yeah, 100%. I say you take that call.
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And yeah, on the road, you absolutely always have to go for that two-point right
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there against the Chiefs.
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That was a stupid mistake by the Bucs, and they paid for it with the game.
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I was excited because I thought the Chiefs might actually lose their first game.
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And I loved that it was going to be to Baker. Yeah. Without Mike Evans and Chris Godwin there as well.
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But obviously they did not. And the Chiefs, I think, are going to go undefeated this season.
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They have a relatively easy schedule. I think their only tough opponent now is the Bills.
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I think that's the only one that's really left that I looked at their schedule.
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They have like the Broncos, etc. So I don't think they really have a formidable opponent.
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I would have said Texans in the first half. They're not scary anymore.
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No, but you know what? Even outside of the schedule and even if I looked at
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the beginning of the year And all I knew was that the Chiefs were like,
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what, 8-0, 7-0 now? Yeah, yeah, yeah. How many weeks are we in?
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We're losing my mind. They're 9-0. So 8-0.
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They've had their bye, right? They've had their bye.
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I would still say that the Bills, like Josh Allen is one QB that can take Mahomes
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and the Chiefs any season.
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Because like regardless of the bills past play and they've lost to the chiefs
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a few times but they've also won against the chiefs and i think that's a game
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alan will show up in and i'm excited for that game yeah i'm excited to see i
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think that's the only one left to kind of take it down,
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it's kind of like that i don't know i'm having like the view of like avengers
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the last like scene where like all the avengers are together and our last hope
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is now the bills and we're like take down Thanos, please.
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So all hopes are on you, Josh Allen. No pressure there.
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Somebody needs to make that like a little, just make like a little AI art of that. Yeah.
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Yeah, let's hope. I'll hope I was on Josh Allen.
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The Lions-Packers game was fun. It was, no, I'm going to say it was more nuanced.
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As a Lions fan, obviously, I was over the moon. We won, especially on a divisional
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game, especially in Lambeau Field, and especially under the weather conditions
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because we haven't played in an open stadium, right?
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And that was a lot of the talk going into it was will we be able to perform there? We did well.
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However, the Packers did not play well at all either.
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No, and I said this last week.
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I don't think Jordan Love should have played. You can clearly see that.
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And you know what? I've also said in the past, Jordan Love is prone to making like those dumb moves.
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Yeah, the dumb mistakes.
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And when you're injured, you're all the more prone to do that.
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And that's what we saw in this last game.
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So I saw this coming up on the Lions schedule a couple of weeks ago.
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And I even said it then. Like this should be an easy win for the Lions.
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You know, I never want to say easy when it comes to divisional games.
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I mean, we saw the Browns and the Ravens, right? But injured love, making mistakes.
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That's all I saw. Yeah, there was a lot of mistakes on his part.
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Like I was surprised they didn't take out Jordan Love the second half,
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to be honest. By that point, the gap was there. They weren't about to win.
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I think he should have been. They know they have a bye week coming up. Take out your guy.
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Chalk this up in your loss and move on. I guess divisional game,
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they think if they are going to win, he's going to be your best shot at making
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it happen. But you could see him struggling to make some of those throws.
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So I don't know. I don't know what Matt LaFleur was thinking, but it is what it is.
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I don't think if it were a non-divisional game, I think no questions he would
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have been public. Jordan would be enough, yeah.
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I mean, obviously divisional games, I get it, they hold more weight,
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but I think at one point when you see you're not about to win,
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you need to pull the guy out. That was stupid on their part as well.
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I'm still happy with the outcome. Obviously, we've advanced to 7-1,
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but it was not the best game I've seen between the Lions and the Packers. Not at all.
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Players gonna play, play, play. Let's get into some players who made some big
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plays this week or just balled out.
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Lamar Jackson? Oh, yeah. He, damn, did he show up against a defense.
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Like, that was wild to me because I think, obviously, you expect Lamar to do well.
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You know the man's going to do well. But playing against a defense that's that
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highly ranked and still putting up 41 points, good for him. I thought he did amazing.
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I agree. Looked really solid. Definitely in the running for Offensive Player of the Year.
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I think if not and
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you know yeah and i think yeah
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sorry i think yeah a contender
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for offensive player of the year though saquon yes
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that that hurdle jump oh my
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god what was that he was
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just like that was like the spinoff
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and then we're in a simulation and somebody's controlling
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him with the controller that's what that was literally did you see the sideline
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have you seen that i have watched this from every angle because i'm still blown
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by it but the sideline reaction on the eagles was hilarious like yeah that's
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my boy half of them just walked away and we're like i don't even know what i
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just witnessed and how that was possible.
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Literally good for him 100 offensive player of the year runner or in the running
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for it quite quite a play by him not the only eagles that i think uh came out to play,
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talking about the eagles i'm putting jason kelsey as a player who's gonna play play play.
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There was like two stories of him this week that i loved but did you see when
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he's at that college game and this little punk child punk child decides to go
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up to one of future Hall of Famer center,
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six foot three, 200 plus pound Kelsey, and say that his younger brother,
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who he, you know how close him and Travis are, like that is a documented good relationship,
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and decides to call him an explicit, I'm not going to say the word,
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for dating Taylor Swift.
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A, that takes balls, but good for Jason Kelsey, because all he did was smash
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the phone, and I think he should have smashed that kid's face.
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Yeah, I would say this is just a continuation of him being a setter.
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Out there defending and pushing through.
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Oh, my God. Wild. I was like, did the fear of your life not flash before your eyes? I guess not.
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But, you know, good on Kelsey for just smashing the phone.
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Like excellent self-control i thought it was
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a really good self-control exhibit did you
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also say while he was bent down picking up something someone pushed
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him like out of that punk kids group no
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i didn't see that he got pushed so tmz tmz
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they try to like flip it
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and it shows kelsey getting up in that kid's face and just
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calling him like the f word yeah homophobic
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slur and they're like oh he uses it multiple
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times i'm like did we not see the part before it or the
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fact that he was pushed while he was down and this man still physically restrained
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himself from pushing back yeah that stupid kid he yeah he he did well he restrained
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himself and for that he got a cut center play he's gonna play but also we have
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to stand his queen kylie so on his podcast this past week,
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a man called in and was like, I'm going through a dry spell with my wife. What do I do?
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And this whole clip is just hilarious because Travis is just sitting there with
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this look on his face like, Jason, maybe don't say all of these things.
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And Jason is just like, oh, wear really tight pants so she can see the bulge
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and put on Jumanji or something.
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And I just clapped back. She was like, looks like he's going to be alone in
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his tight pants watching Jumanji this week.
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You're about to go through dry spell. And I was like, I mean, I scan you.
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Yeah, I feel like all of the things he said, tight pants, shumanji, give an ick.
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Meanwhile, Travis was like, maybe just do some chores without being asked.
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And I was like, that man understands.
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But Kylie snapped back pretty quickly, and I kind of liked her clap back.
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So she gets under players.
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Let's get into you need to calm down i
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i have a big one for this i have a very very big
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one for this i know you do but let's
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start off with puka nakua just out there during the lions rams game our lines
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from ram seahawks game ram seahawks game throw in hands had a seahawks quarterback,
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i mean i know things got a little feisty but puka you have to know you're gonna
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be thrown out if you do that that's a clear ejection from game violation i mean maybe he has no regrets,
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I guess because they won, he's like, yeah, no harm done. Yeah.
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I don't. I was surprised.
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He's usually a bit more reserved. I wonder what Geno Smith, what the Hawks said
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to him that got him so riled up.
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He's young. I'm sure he's easy to rile. I guess.
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You know, and I understood why he got thrown out or ejected, whatever.
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Yeah. It makes sense. You can't throw hands like that in a game.
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You can't just punch a person like that's not allowed.
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However, I do not understand why Brian Branch in the Lions game was thrown out,
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ejected for helmet to helmet.
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Yes, obviously, penalty, 100%. Do not have any issues with that.
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I understand that completely.
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What I don't understand is why the hell he got ejected for it.
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I don't think that was fair.
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I think that was bullshit. But I was with him using the F word every which way
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and throwing the middle fingers up just like Brian Branch did at the end.
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But I don't think he should have been thrown out for that. So I think he very,
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very clearly lowers his helmet. And it's a full step before that he lowers it.
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Like that is very planned.
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So do I think that in general, those should be ejections? 100%.
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But that is not how it has been called. Exactly.
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So I get the frustration.
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But we saw it within the same week, a game before, when Chris Olive was like hit in the head, right?
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He was taken out for a concussion, et cetera. His helmet to helmet was bad.
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This one wasn't that bad.
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No, it wasn't that bad. And also you need to have two steps to be able to change
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your direction. I get that he lowered down as he was going in to hit him.
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However, he didn't have that ability to change course right off the bat,
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which is another usual thing that they are looking at.
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So I was not really impressed with the refs there. I don't think he needed to be ejected for that.
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If we're not injecting every single player who does a helmet-to-helmet like that, in my opinion.
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Yeah, I do think he could have shifted. Like, I get not changed in course,
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but I think there was room to shift there.
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But again, I don't think it's... Right?
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And we're thinking, yeah, he could have done this, he could have done that.
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But that's like a one-second move, basically, right? Yeah, but they're reviewing it.
00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:07.239
Yeah. No, I'm saying I get that. But I'm saying when we're saying,
00:28:07.259 --> 00:28:09.799
oh, he could have done this and this, I think it's like we're watching it in
00:28:09.799 --> 00:28:11.919
slow-mo. The guy's doing this in one minute.
00:28:12.499 --> 00:28:16.419
I don't think it was. I think that was ridiculous. It just made me so mad with
00:28:16.419 --> 00:28:18.679
the refs. Because I remember sitting there and I was like, what did he do?
00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:21.339
Why is he getting ejected? Yes, give the penalty.
00:28:21.499 --> 00:28:24.019
That I had no arguments with. That was a clear-cut penalty.
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The ejection. But you know what? Kirby came in for him, I believe.
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And he got that pick six at the end. So I was kind of like, you know what? F you roughs.
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We still scored off his replacement.
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Yeah, so that was my, you need to calm down to the refs once again.
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Keep it consistent across the league. If one is going to be taken out,
00:28:48.955 --> 00:28:50.255
all of them need to be taken out.
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Yeah, I agree. Don't single it out. If they are going to be taken out,
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like called like this for the rest of the season, that's something different.
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It needs to be across the board. But I think this is something you do start
00:29:03.455 --> 00:29:06.635
and like kind of at the beginning of the season.
00:29:06.635 --> 00:29:10.295
To have that rule approved by the nfl owners
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and well the rule is there it's just
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not called that way so yeah yeah like
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i don't think it's an issue with the rule i think it's more just how it's being
00:29:20.335 --> 00:29:26.155
called usual which is inconsistent but i there's a clear lowering of the head
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though yeah no i'm not arguing it's not a penalty at all do i think the full
00:29:31.895 --> 00:29:35.235
intentionality was there where he was trying to like take him out like that.
00:29:35.695 --> 00:29:39.855
I think that could be subjective. If there was a different ref that was in one
00:29:39.855 --> 00:29:41.755
of the other games, that person would say no, right?
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So I think there's too much subjectivity
00:29:43.535 --> 00:29:46.175
to it and I don't think that was fair for him to be taken out.
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I agree that it shouldn't have been called, but the fact that he lowers it a
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full step before, I don't know. I don't like that. It wasn't last minute.
00:29:55.875 --> 00:29:59.115
It wasn't last minute. There was a very similar hit.
00:29:59.675 --> 00:30:02.795
There was a very similar hit in the Dolphins-Bills game
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and that one if you watch it it's last minute
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and you can tell that like even in without watching slow-mo
00:30:09.075 --> 00:30:11.895
yeah but this one is this one you could
00:30:11.895 --> 00:30:14.915
not i know but even before you could tell that
00:30:14.915 --> 00:30:20.295
this one was like you can kind of tell it he lowered it early he went into the
00:30:20.295 --> 00:30:25.415
hit down yeah it was like he went into the hit down yeah no i'll give you that
00:30:25.415 --> 00:30:30.815
i'm gonna call hometown bias here yeah oh 100 but still bullshit if you're gonna
00:30:30.815 --> 00:30:34.135
call one person out on that then you need to call it across the league, right?
00:30:34.235 --> 00:30:38.115
Like that is not the first person who's half-stepped lowered his helmet and ran into another one.
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Penalties, sure. But if you're going to take out one player for it,
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then you need to be able to do that for every single one.
00:30:43.555 --> 00:30:47.575
It makes consequences on games and refs shouldn't be having that much subjectivity
00:30:47.575 --> 00:30:50.815
when it comes down to the consequences on a game.
00:30:51.155 --> 00:30:54.195
Thankfully, this one did not have that big of a consequence on a game,
00:30:54.295 --> 00:30:57.095
but I'm calling out the refs for this. This has happened previously.
00:30:57.315 --> 00:31:02.415
They call certain plays and don't call certain plays and that alters the course
00:31:02.415 --> 00:31:04.255
of games and that's complete bullshit.
00:31:04.795 --> 00:31:07.775
So if you're going to take out Brian Branch, fine, but do it across the league,
00:31:07.775 --> 00:31:12.475
then make sure every person who's half a step lowers their helmet is taken out there.
00:31:13.374 --> 00:31:17.334
Yeah, I agree. I just, yeah, I do think these should be called,
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though, because it's when I see that lowering, like, I'm just in this,
00:31:23.154 --> 00:31:25.994
like, we talk about CTE and all of these things.
00:31:27.034 --> 00:31:31.114
I don't see the need to lower. There's so many different. Especially in these
00:31:31.114 --> 00:31:34.354
clear cut, like, when you can see them doing it, like, earlier.
00:31:34.614 --> 00:31:35.874
I really don't like that.
00:31:36.174 --> 00:31:38.334
There's, I mean, there's a bunch of penalties, I think, out there that should
00:31:38.334 --> 00:31:41.654
be really taken out altogether and should be forms for rejection.
00:31:42.274 --> 00:31:45.114
But I mean that's a discussion for a different time right now I'm just pissed
00:31:45.114 --> 00:31:49.354
at the refs I think they're being stupidly subjective and they're definitely
00:31:49.354 --> 00:31:53.354
altering courses of games again this is not one that got altered because of
00:31:53.354 --> 00:31:55.214
it Kirby Johnson showed up to that but
00:31:55.634 --> 00:31:59.974
it has it it has an impact it has an impact on games and they need to get more
00:31:59.974 --> 00:32:03.794
consistent across the board I don't know if they have their own like union but
00:32:03.794 --> 00:32:05.214
they need to figure their stuff out.
00:32:07.274 --> 00:32:10.154
Yeah and i think in like i really wonder
00:32:10.154 --> 00:32:13.074
what they saw because this one was called
00:32:13.074 --> 00:32:16.274
from upstairs wasn't it it was i
00:32:16.274 --> 00:32:19.354
think it was after they reviewed it so that's the other thing i'm saying right
00:32:19.354 --> 00:32:23.394
like this is someone upstairs it wasn't just the refs watching in real time
00:32:23.394 --> 00:32:27.434
right no this one was upstairs i believe it was after yeah because obviously
00:32:27.434 --> 00:32:30.934
the penalty was called and no one was arguing and then afterwards they threw
00:32:30.934 --> 00:32:34.134
it and then everyone's just confused everyone And announcers,
00:32:34.254 --> 00:32:37.354
no one understood what had just come through, right?
00:32:37.474 --> 00:32:40.434
Like, that was a big thing there. I remember I went on Twitter.
00:32:40.574 --> 00:32:43.394
I was like, did he do something after that that I missed?
00:32:43.734 --> 00:32:47.554
Did I not see him? Like, did he get in someone's face? I thought he pulled like
00:32:47.554 --> 00:32:50.574
a puka. I was like, did he hit someone? Did he threaten the ref?
00:32:50.834 --> 00:32:57.054
Something to show me that, you know, why is this coming after the fact? So I think, yeah, fine.
00:32:58.154 --> 00:33:00.774
The intentionality is there. But if you have to review it in slow-mo,
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I don't think it's something that...
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It should be called after. I think you need to get on board.
00:33:05.890 --> 00:33:09.630
Either all helmet to helmets should be reviewed slow-mo then and all should be called out like that.
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Or there needs to be consistency. And I didn't think that one warranted it.
00:33:15.810 --> 00:33:20.290
It's not consistent. I don't know. I feel like if you start reviewing all helmet
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to helmets, it's just you slowing down the game so much.
00:33:24.090 --> 00:33:27.470
I really don't like the all or nothing.
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But then you're bringing up CTE and everything and you're saying you shouldn't have that.
00:33:32.490 --> 00:33:36.470
Then you have to review all helmet to helmets right because that's where those
00:33:36.470 --> 00:33:40.370
lowering of the helmets hitting the head cte issues come up right you can't
00:33:40.370 --> 00:33:43.870
i think that's a black and white way of looking at it what i'm saying is there
00:33:43.870 --> 00:33:48.730
can be no you're twisting what i said i think there's a black and white way
00:33:48.730 --> 00:33:51.550
of looking at it and then there's you can put guidelines in place.
00:33:52.450 --> 00:33:55.630
And yeah there's always room for error but
00:33:55.630 --> 00:33:58.830
what i also don't like let's review
00:33:58.830 --> 00:34:01.590
everything all these rules and you're slowing down the game so much
00:34:01.590 --> 00:34:04.410
like that doesn't make it obviously i've always said that
00:34:04.410 --> 00:34:07.170
but what i'm saying is that if you're going to review one helmet to helmet
00:34:07.170 --> 00:34:10.150
then what's the guideline on that one being reviewed versus the
00:34:10.150 --> 00:34:13.110
other ones in the other games where you know players have
00:34:13.110 --> 00:34:16.330
gone out with concussions and you're not reviewing those ones yeah like
00:34:16.330 --> 00:34:19.470
i want to know what what the call is from upstairs yeah
00:34:19.470 --> 00:34:22.350
i want to know what i want to know what the call is for
00:34:22.350 --> 00:34:25.350
you yeah they haven't provided any context they've given
00:34:25.350 --> 00:34:28.210
zero clarity on it they're not telling us if it was intentionality if
00:34:28.210 --> 00:34:31.490
it was something else etc like this is us speculating and
00:34:31.490 --> 00:34:34.330
that's why i think it was a bullshit call like it should have
00:34:34.330 --> 00:34:38.810
some sort of clear cut okay especially ejection like flags i know get blurred
00:34:38.810 --> 00:34:43.770
fine i don't always like it i think there should be more consistency but fine
00:34:43.770 --> 00:34:47.830
i understand that's in real time there's a lot of things that go on about it
00:34:47.830 --> 00:34:52.330
but i think that if it's something's being reviewed upstairs and then the call is coming afterwards,
00:34:52.470 --> 00:34:56.130
there should be clear-cut reasoning for it, and especially for something as
00:34:56.130 --> 00:34:58.290
big as an ejecting a game, right?
00:34:58.410 --> 00:35:00.910
Like, we shouldn't be a few days later and still kind of being like,
00:35:00.970 --> 00:35:03.410
well, what was the exact reasoning behind it?
00:35:03.550 --> 00:35:07.550
No, and I think the biggest thing is a lot of these, they don't provide...
00:35:08.829 --> 00:35:11.569
Any explanations for which is
00:35:11.569 --> 00:35:15.169
bullshit because how are you supposed to learn as a team and move on from it yeah
00:35:15.169 --> 00:35:18.009
a as a team a as a team but also
00:35:18.009 --> 00:35:21.209
consistency for refs like maybe they have some internal memos
00:35:21.209 --> 00:35:26.969
that go across refs i would assume they have to uh but i think there's a lot
00:35:26.969 --> 00:35:33.629
of benefit in publicizing clarity your reasoning yeah yeah like that transparency
00:35:33.629 --> 00:35:38.529
having it because it also sets the tone for players to adjust their game to
00:35:38.529 --> 00:35:40.769
not lower their helmets or whatever in the future.
00:35:41.469 --> 00:35:46.569
I think, complain about Gary Bettman all day, but I think the NHL does that well.
00:35:47.249 --> 00:35:51.689
Yeah. Yeah. Explanations for suspensions and all of those things.
00:35:52.329 --> 00:35:56.769
Like the player safety department reviewing suspensions and all of that.
00:35:56.909 --> 00:36:00.009
The NFL could learn something there, I think. Yeah.
00:36:00.169 --> 00:36:03.189
Because I don't think you come a few days later and they're still debating over
00:36:03.189 --> 00:36:06.489
exactly what the call was right whereas and especially
00:36:06.489 --> 00:36:09.289
with an ejection like that should just never be a thing and that's
00:36:09.289 --> 00:36:11.589
why i thought it was bullshit i was like you're gonna take him out then give
00:36:11.589 --> 00:36:15.969
me a clear-cut reason as to x y and z this is why this is the thing this is
00:36:15.969 --> 00:36:18.549
the guideline we're looking at and that's why we're taking him out not that
00:36:18.549 --> 00:36:21.629
we're still debating this days later and being like i don't like that call i
00:36:21.629 --> 00:36:24.409
don't understand it yeah i don't
00:36:24.409 --> 00:36:27.589
know a penalty fine i understood that i didn't like the ejection call.
00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:34.420
It was annoying yeah so back to the refs calm down get some consistency get
00:36:34.420 --> 00:36:36.620
some transparency and figure your stuff out please.
00:36:41.960 --> 00:36:45.860
Contenders versus contenders let's look at some teams in the middle of the pack
00:36:45.860 --> 00:36:49.620
and see who's got a chance at a championship ring and who will have to settle
00:36:49.620 --> 00:36:53.780
for a paper ring i think the eagles are starting to cement themselves as a contender
00:36:53.780 --> 00:36:57.040
yeah the last couple weeks they're really coming together.
00:36:57.700 --> 00:37:03.980
My only gripe is I feel like Sirianni's still there to shoot themselves in their
00:37:03.980 --> 00:37:07.180
foot, but the team is playing well.
00:37:07.520 --> 00:37:12.260
So they're playing like we knew they could play on paper.
00:37:12.700 --> 00:37:15.920
I mean, we talked about it before. We weren't sure if they'd be able to get
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:20.300
their ish together, if Sirianni would be able to kind of unite the team as well,
00:37:20.380 --> 00:37:24.640
or if they would be rather, if they would be able to be united under Sirianni.
00:37:25.340 --> 00:37:29.960
With Sirianni still there. We've talked about how Jalen Hurts has looked depressed and stuff.
00:37:30.160 --> 00:37:33.980
And that team versus like last week's team, major differences.
00:37:34.540 --> 00:37:38.700
They seem like a cohesive unit. Everyone's kind of figuring out exactly where
00:37:38.700 --> 00:37:40.320
they fit in and what they should be doing.
00:37:41.060 --> 00:37:44.060
Sirianni hasn't been really annoying, which is nice.
00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:49.220
He's been better at not being annoying.
00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:52.700
They're getting their swag down. I think they're getting hot at the right minute.
00:37:52.900 --> 00:37:54.680
So, yeah, I definitely think they're a contender.
00:37:55.100 --> 00:37:59.440
I think that last minute hot for the second half of the season will give them
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:03.200
strides as long as they can keep it this way and no other issues come up.
00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:04.620
Shoot themselves in the foot.
00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:08.620
Yeah, which is a big stipulation for them.
00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:13.600
I also think the Falcons, I'm going to put them on the contender list.
00:38:13.600 --> 00:38:21.020
Even just last week, I was talking smack about their defense,
00:38:21.520 --> 00:38:27.960
which, you know what, I still think their defense is not the greatest,
00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:30.840
but they have a solid secondary if they don't have a good secondary.
00:38:32.181 --> 00:38:39.481
Rush? Yeah. Pass rush? So I think, you know, a decent secondary, okay, fine.
00:38:39.701 --> 00:38:42.081
They'll make some stops or tackles.
00:38:42.801 --> 00:38:46.441
But that offense. Yeah. Holy crap.
00:38:46.661 --> 00:38:51.001
Like, that offense. Like, Kirk Cousins is looking on fire, which completes,
00:38:51.801 --> 00:38:56.981
side note, I don't know if Minnesota could have even gotten this Kirk out or
00:38:56.981 --> 00:38:58.441
if this is just an Atlanta Kirk.
00:38:58.441 --> 00:39:04.961
But imagine that Minnesota team as it is right now with Kirk Cousins,
00:39:05.321 --> 00:39:06.621
with Kirk Goldchates, right?
00:39:06.861 --> 00:39:11.721
Like that's a contending team. That's a contending team. And then some.
00:39:11.941 --> 00:39:15.961
That's a team that you were scared of a little bit. That defense would have been nice.
00:39:16.601 --> 00:39:21.461
He's found his home in Atlanta good for him. Yeah. The only thing that scares
00:39:21.461 --> 00:39:25.301
me from putting him fully in a contender is that he is also his biggest enemy.
00:39:25.901 --> 00:39:29.041
We've seen him go to the go to the
00:39:29.041 --> 00:39:32.661
playoffs many times and just not be able to come complete it
00:39:32.661 --> 00:39:37.761
girl this is not regular kirk this is just this is not regular kirk we've said
00:39:37.761 --> 00:39:42.001
that already and had to bite our words this this season did with primetime because
00:39:42.001 --> 00:39:47.041
you know what prime there is no more primetime choke artist kirk cousins anymore
00:39:47.041 --> 00:39:50.441
that's gone we're having faith in him this year we'll see.
00:39:52.157 --> 00:39:56.817
He has been victimizing me. He has been victimizing me since my alum days,
00:39:57.017 --> 00:39:59.897
okay? Michigan State, this is not an NFL relationship.
00:40:00.237 --> 00:40:03.097
This goes from my alum days, so I'm going from there.
00:40:04.257 --> 00:40:09.017
But I hope for Court Girl Chain's sake he does well, but I don't know, man.
00:40:09.097 --> 00:40:12.337
I don't think so. I've seen them go to the NFC Championship and still not really
00:40:12.337 --> 00:40:15.837
close the thing. Poor guy has to go home and take out the garbage.
00:40:17.677 --> 00:40:21.697
I think this offense is really versatile this year. I think their downfall,
00:40:21.797 --> 00:40:24.957
if anything, it's going to be that defense, and it's going to be the inability
00:40:24.957 --> 00:40:26.837
to shut down other teams' offense.
00:40:27.137 --> 00:40:31.297
So if they get, you know what I mean? They get a nice-going offense against them, they'll be.
00:40:31.497 --> 00:40:34.237
Yeah, then it's a shootout at that point, which, you know what,
00:40:34.277 --> 00:40:37.377
they could win. But I think that'll be their downfall, if anything.
00:40:37.537 --> 00:40:42.257
But I'm putting them on a contender list with a little asterisk. Yeah.
00:40:42.517 --> 00:40:45.257
But they're going to be fun. They're going to make the playoffs,
00:40:45.417 --> 00:40:48.917
and I think it'll be fun to watch. It'll be fun to watch Kirk Goldjanes.
00:40:48.917 --> 00:40:50.037
I love watching Kirk Goldjanes.
00:40:50.617 --> 00:40:55.077
He's a blast. I hope he does do well. Like I said, my asterisk comes from,
00:40:55.217 --> 00:40:56.597
we've seen this story before.
00:40:57.177 --> 00:40:59.957
You think they're going to do it and it just doesn't work out.
00:41:00.557 --> 00:41:02.837
I think this is a whole new Kirk.
00:41:03.557 --> 00:41:06.937
Yes, I know. Did you? I totally forgot that J.J.
00:41:07.037 --> 00:41:11.957
McCarthy was actually the one drafted by the Vikings until I saw him on the sideline last week.
00:41:13.117 --> 00:41:16.717
Oh, yeah. I had short-term amnesia. I'm like, oh, yeah, Sam Darnold's not supposed
00:41:16.717 --> 00:41:19.457
to be their starting core. No. It was supposed to be J.J. McCarthy.
00:41:19.857 --> 00:41:25.977
Yeah. But yeah, we'll see. I hope so. It would be fine for him to kind of get through.
00:41:26.197 --> 00:41:30.457
Again, I have an asterisk on that. There's plenty of tough teams for him to beat before getting.
00:41:30.997 --> 00:41:35.257
Oh, 100%. But it's nice to see them swag surfing out in Atlanta.
00:41:36.077 --> 00:41:41.917
Moving on to the Commanders. I mean, they're what? A 7-2 team?
00:41:42.417 --> 00:41:48.117
7-1 team? 7-2 team. And they barely pulled out the win against the Bears.
00:41:48.777 --> 00:41:55.677
Against the Giants this last week. or against the Giants sorry also against the Bays but yeah.
00:41:58.190 --> 00:42:04.750
But I think they are a contender. I think the whole team is playing well.
00:42:05.190 --> 00:42:09.390
And Jaden Daniels is looking dynamite. That offense is looking good.
00:42:10.510 --> 00:42:14.710
Dan Quinn seems to have the team tight. Team together.
00:42:15.130 --> 00:42:18.410
Yeah, the team together. So I'm putting them on the contender list.
00:42:18.430 --> 00:42:19.750
Yeah, I definitely think they're a contender.
00:42:19.990 --> 00:42:23.870
I think they're doing fantastic. Their division is not the best,
00:42:24.030 --> 00:42:26.670
so they will come out of it, as you would know.
00:42:28.610 --> 00:42:31.390
It's not the best. I think they come out of that for sure as contenders.
00:42:31.590 --> 00:42:38.210
I do say there were some problematics in the last game against the Giants.
00:42:38.350 --> 00:42:42.350
That should have been a pummeling, but they're good. I love watching them play.
00:42:42.510 --> 00:42:45.630
I love Jade and Daniels. I have a lot of faith in that guy. So I think this
00:42:45.630 --> 00:42:47.930
will be a fun team to watch.
00:42:48.470 --> 00:42:52.630
So I think, well, yeah, the Giants game, but even the week prior,
00:42:52.970 --> 00:42:54.250
the game against the Bears,
00:42:55.350 --> 00:43:00.350
the Bears are one of the better defenses the Bears have a solid defense and
00:43:00.350 --> 00:43:07.430
the commanders were only able to put up 18 points against that defense so I
00:43:07.430 --> 00:43:09.970
think that's something to know and,
00:43:11.550 --> 00:43:19.170
they have I think they play the Ravens this week the Ravens and the Bengals play.
00:43:21.370 --> 00:43:24.190
Yeah the Ravens and Bengals play uh
00:43:24.190 --> 00:43:27.090
the commanders oh they
00:43:27.090 --> 00:43:30.010
play the steelers which yeah sorry they play the steelers
00:43:30.010 --> 00:43:32.910
so i think that'll be a test because if they can
00:43:32.910 --> 00:43:35.950
win this game i think
00:43:35.950 --> 00:43:42.290
that proves to me like right now i have an asterisk beside their status as a
00:43:42.290 --> 00:43:47.650
contender if they can win against the steelers i'm removing that yeah but the
00:43:47.650 --> 00:43:49.270
steelers are a very solid d
00:43:49.270 --> 00:43:54.790
and the commanders just haven't played very good Ds other than the Bears,
00:43:55.030 --> 00:43:57.290
which they only, like, you saw how that game went.
00:43:58.430 --> 00:44:01.690
And with that, there's another Astro because the Bears just seem to be on a
00:44:01.690 --> 00:44:05.250
decline right now. They got pummeled by the Cardinals.
00:44:06.990 --> 00:44:10.090
The Bears played well in the game against the Commanders, I think.
00:44:10.270 --> 00:44:13.350
They should have won that if it weren't for the... Battery, yes. Yeah.
00:44:14.130 --> 00:44:19.350
Yeah. Seems like they kind of, that Hail Mary has broken them because last week was bad.
00:44:20.630 --> 00:44:24.310
But yeah, I think so. I think I agree with you on this, that I think let's see
00:44:24.310 --> 00:44:26.750
how they go against the Steelers because that defense is terrifying.
00:44:27.670 --> 00:44:31.750
Their offense on the Steelers is kind of starting with Mr. Russ over there.
00:44:32.030 --> 00:44:36.370
Oh, they added Mike Williams from the Jets as well, so he has someone to throw to finally.
00:44:37.870 --> 00:44:40.910
I think, yeah, let's see how this week goes because I think that'll be a good
00:44:40.910 --> 00:44:45.210
test for the commanders to see how far they can actually make it with tough defenses.
00:44:45.930 --> 00:44:49.430
Yeah, and I left the Steelers off this list because...
00:44:51.447 --> 00:44:54.967
I think, yeah, Russ is getting it going. He's starting to cook.
00:44:55.427 --> 00:45:00.827
But he's been able to do that because the run game has also been going.
00:45:01.807 --> 00:45:08.427
Now she hears. What happens when they're playing a team that won't let you run? Yeah.
00:45:08.867 --> 00:45:11.587
Well, I think that's why they got Mike Williams. Yeah.
00:45:12.727 --> 00:45:17.327
But I think it's going to be harder for the Steelers to win those types of games.
00:45:17.807 --> 00:45:20.967
See, I'm going to put the Steelers on contenders.
00:45:21.447 --> 00:45:28.167
For Mike Tomlin's reason. They have always been a more defensive team since Big Ben's left.
00:45:28.347 --> 00:45:30.907
They haven't really had any offense since he left.
00:45:31.427 --> 00:45:37.527
And Mike Tomlin still pulls it out. They are in the playoff talk or in the playoffs every single year.
00:45:37.707 --> 00:45:40.287
So they finish above 500 every single year.
00:45:40.627 --> 00:45:44.167
He pulls it out with the defense. it'll
00:45:44.167 --> 00:45:48.167
be interesting to see if Russ can close
00:45:48.167 --> 00:45:51.087
that gap on the offense enough to help them become
00:45:51.087 --> 00:45:54.427
a bigger contender than just the defense I don't
00:45:54.427 --> 00:45:57.247
have faith in Russ at all I don't I think
00:45:57.247 --> 00:46:00.527
you need more than the defense and Russell
00:46:00.527 --> 00:46:04.027
Williams to to be a contender that's
00:46:04.027 --> 00:46:06.767
just my thing that's yours but I'm going based off of
00:46:06.767 --> 00:46:09.647
their past they've always been a defensive team for the past what five
00:46:09.647 --> 00:46:12.447
years and 100 that's how they still make the
00:46:12.447 --> 00:46:15.247
playoffs so based off of that how their past record
00:46:15.247 --> 00:46:18.147
is and i'm not seeing a big difference in their in the
00:46:18.147 --> 00:46:21.667
type of team they are this year from say last year and
00:46:21.667 --> 00:46:24.347
they still make it so for that reason i don't think you can
00:46:24.347 --> 00:46:27.367
ever count out the the stealers
00:46:27.367 --> 00:46:31.647
i'm not making the playoffs
00:46:31.647 --> 00:46:35.187
i'm counting them with this team unless they
00:46:35.187 --> 00:46:38.027
can really do some magic on on the offense with just
00:46:38.027 --> 00:46:40.727
a defense that's a first round exit we've seen it
00:46:40.727 --> 00:46:43.527
so many times with them how far did they have they ever gone on just
00:46:43.527 --> 00:46:46.787
the deal it's been first round exits every time and
00:46:46.787 --> 00:46:51.907
I think I'm just bored of the same thing so yeah it'll be interesting to see
00:46:51.907 --> 00:46:55.707
that's what I'll let's see how this trade works out for them some pretenders
00:46:55.707 --> 00:47:01.247
have you decided to join me and call a time of death on the Bengals yeah I know
00:47:01.247 --> 00:47:04.087
they won last week but I I mean, look at who they win. 4-5, they win.
00:47:04.467 --> 00:47:07.747
Like, it's hard because I feel like Burroughs is, yeah.
00:47:08.287 --> 00:47:13.947
I think what's hard is Burroughs is playing great, but that,
00:47:14.627 --> 00:47:19.047
like, he's starting to play great. And I think the rest of the team just doesn't
00:47:19.047 --> 00:47:20.427
have their shit together. No.
00:47:21.167 --> 00:47:25.167
And I think it's tough for them right now because in their division,
00:47:25.167 --> 00:47:28.347
I don't think they're at the top. I think they're pretty far behind.
00:47:28.947 --> 00:47:33.207
I just don't see them being able to close that gap at all. So yeah, they won.
00:47:33.407 --> 00:47:36.747
Great job. But they also won against the Saints, who fired their head coach
00:47:36.747 --> 00:47:39.387
the next day. So we're 2-6.
00:47:39.907 --> 00:47:44.487
Good win is a win. However, it does not at this discussion translate them to
00:47:44.487 --> 00:47:45.807
being a contender in my book.
00:47:45.987 --> 00:47:48.347
But I call time a death like a couple weeks ago.
00:47:49.809 --> 00:47:56.929
I think they'd have to win every single one of their remaining games to make
00:47:56.929 --> 00:47:59.389
any sort of comeback. And I just don't see them doing that.
00:47:59.709 --> 00:48:02.549
Yeah, I agree with you. I don't see them beating the Ravens.
00:48:02.769 --> 00:48:05.609
I don't, you know what I mean? No. It's just, it's not happening.
00:48:06.289 --> 00:48:10.429
Another team that I'm now calling a pretender is the Vikings.
00:48:11.809 --> 00:48:16.129
I think the team got worse with the Derrissaw injury.
00:48:16.689 --> 00:48:21.309
And yeah, they made some moves before the trade deadline today. It was today, right?
00:48:22.409 --> 00:48:26.769
I just don't think the trades made them any better. They're still not. No.
00:48:28.189 --> 00:48:31.209
I think it's what I've been saying for the last few weeks, actually.
00:48:31.589 --> 00:48:34.769
I don't think Darnell's going to get it done. Their defense is still strong.
00:48:34.909 --> 00:48:36.309
Their defense is great. And their
00:48:36.309 --> 00:48:39.329
defense covers up a lot of his mistakes and gives him a lot of grace.
00:48:40.649 --> 00:48:46.469
I don't think that offense will be able to finish it. And so they've been in
00:48:46.469 --> 00:48:48.509
my pretenders list for a couple weeks now.
00:48:49.349 --> 00:48:56.649
Yeah, I just don't see them finishing it up, especially in that tough NFC North division.
00:48:56.989 --> 00:49:01.629
That division is tough. The road leads through us in the NFC North.
00:49:01.849 --> 00:49:07.049
So I'm not too concerned about them, as I was, say, when they were before London.
00:49:07.229 --> 00:49:09.889
I think London's the first time I started looking at Darnell and I was like,
00:49:09.949 --> 00:49:10.949
oh, I don't know about this.
00:49:11.549 --> 00:49:14.689
I think those honeymoon phase came off and all
00:49:14.689 --> 00:49:18.349
their cracks started showing defense is still scary as hell though good for
00:49:18.349 --> 00:49:23.669
them but yeah definitely pretenders i am gonna put the texans and the pretenders
00:49:23.669 --> 00:49:29.089
as well yeah 100 i think that's been showing for a couple weeks now yeah they
00:49:29.089 --> 00:49:34.169
just haven't been able to get their ish together the team yeah you have injuries but.
00:49:35.589 --> 00:49:40.969
You either pull through it or even the defense isn't looking cohesive the whole
00:49:40.969 --> 00:49:42.109
team just is freaking down,
00:49:43.009 --> 00:49:47.269
Stroud is not what we thought he would be hopefully it's the sophomore slumps
00:49:47.269 --> 00:49:51.869
and it's not just a downfall of Stroud altogether but that team doesn't scare
00:49:51.869 --> 00:49:54.069
me even though they're 6-2 I know their record is great,
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that team doesn't scare me no I don't think they could beat a Ravens team I
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don't think they could beat a Chiefs team no I don't even think they could beat a Bills team.
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Nope. And then we play them this coming Sunday as a Sunday night or so.
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Yeah. And it's not really looking forward to that. Yeah. I feel like it's going to be boring.
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Well, as a Lions fan and any Lions fan out there will not. But we're fun when
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we're really up. We have some fun plays, man.
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True, but. But the Texans don't scare me like they did in the beginning of the year.
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Yeah, man. I've got the Cardinals as a pretender.
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And I know a lot of people are like, they can make a run for it.
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They've got advantage in the NFC West.
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They're number one in the NFC West right now. Yeah, but even advantage,
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I mean, like beating the Niners for the divisional games. Yeah, they're ahead on that.
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I just, their defense. Have you seen it? Like, holy crap.
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And Kyler Murray's so inconsistent.
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Inconsistent. Can I see them making a run? Yeah.
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Do I see them as a true contender? Hell no.
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That team's got some good pieces, but they're young.
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Kyler Murray's inconsistent, and they just don't have a defense that is going
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to... It's not even like, oh, it's an okay defense.
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It's not even an okay defense. They don't know if it's Chicago.
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Yeah, but that team, they have flashes. Yeah. They have flashes.
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Well, that's what I'm saying. They have flashes. They have flashes.
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But there's no consistency.
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And I think when you have no consistency, that's not going to get you anywhere.
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I disagree with you on that. I think if we put Falcons in contenders with the
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asterisk, I'm going to put the Cardinals there as well with an asterisk.
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Because I see a lot of the same issues in the Falcons. Yeah.
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Where I can see, you know, we've seen Kirko do costly mistakes even this season.
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We've seen their defense go up and down.
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At the end of the day, it comes if they can just kind of get the job finished.
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Cardinals, again, leading the division. The Rams might make a run for it right now.
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I think the Hawks are out of the conversation.
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Hawks are out of the conversation. Niners might get McCaffrey back. Yeah.
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I just, I see like... So the Cardinals, for me, I'm going to say week six...
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Week 16, I don't see the Cardinals atop the NFC West.
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No, that should be interesting. I think we come into December and we're going
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to see Cards and the Rams battling it.
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I just don't see them atop.
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I feel like there's a bit of a, not a free fall, but a downfall a little bit
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incoming for them. Yeah, let's see.
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They surprise me. There are times where I think, nope, these guys aren't going
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to pull through, and then they pull through.
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And there are other times where their schedule isn't too hard.
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They have the Hawks twice, they have the Panthers, they have the Pats,
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and then they just have the Rams and the Niners once.
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So I'm going to put them up there. If the Falcons go under contenders,
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I think cards are similar teams, different divisions in my team.
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So that's for me. I think that Falcons have a more well-rounded defense.
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Or not defense, sorry, offense.
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Yeah, I just, I can't put my faith in Kirko to pull out. I mean,
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to make him a real, real contender. Maybe a game here or there.
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I think, you know, like to keep it consistent, if we're going to do that. Maybe one game.
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Like, you know, we were saying with the Steelers, maybe a one-game exit.
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I think the cards are the same depending on who they end up playing.
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They might, when one game might be out.
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I'm going to put them under contenders. See, I wouldn't say the cards even win the one game.
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I could see Falcons sneaking out a win. I don't think I could see the cards sneaking out a win.
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Let's get into some games in our ready for it section.
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Music.
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Not much this week. There is not much.
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A lot of easy wins for some teams, I think.
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Like, one of the games is Giants-Panthers. Who wants to watch that? Who wins that one?
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I'll give it to the Giants. I hope for their sake.
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Yeah, there's not many games I'm excited for. I think by now we're seeing the
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good teams versus the bad teams.
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You know, when they were setting up the schedule, they probably thought the
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Bengals versus Ravens would be a really fun game to watch, Sheisty versus Lamar.
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And it's definitely not in two week 10.
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I think the Bengals are going to get. No, I think it might surprise us though.
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Like I'm not saying the Bengals are going to win, but I think it could maybe
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be a good game ish. Like how?
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So you never know. Never know.
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The only game I'm really excited for is the Niners versus the Bucks and only
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because McCaffrey seems to be set to be back. He was at prep.
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So it seems like he'll finally be back they've struggled
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at the end zone finishing in the
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end zone McCaffrey could make a change on that we all know McCaffrey can score
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some touchdowns so yeah the only question will be is do they ease him back in
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do they start right off the bat I don't know he'll be he's just one of those
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guys though right like Saquad McCaffrey like they're just beast. They are.
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They are. But yeah, Achilles injury, you never know.
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So maybe they do use him. And it's not his first time as someone who's drafted
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him on his last injury. I know.
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No. He is injury prone. So healthiness is definitely a factor with him.
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But it should be fun if he's back to see how the Niners kind of mesh together and get it done. Yeah.
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That's all I got. I mean, Lions play Texans. Obviously excited for Lions to
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chalk up another So when hopefully, I hope I'm not getting cocky there.
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You never know what happens, but we do play in Texas, but Texans have issues.
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Yeah. I would have said your Eagles and Cowboys would have been a great game
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to watch back in the day, but not this season. Not right now.
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Yeah, I mean, like, it's going to be the backup quarterback. Yeah.
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The Eagles should have a field day. Yeah. Is what it is. It should be interesting.
00:56:48.017 --> 00:56:52.377
Yeah. Even in terms of any predictions we have.
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I was going to say, should we just kind of move on to some predictions?
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Because that's about the only game I care about.
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Yeah, there's also not too much this year, or this year, this week. This week.
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Yeah, like I've got the Dolphins plus two and a half at the Rams.
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I think I'd take the Rams by a field goal.
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So if the line's two and a half, I know some places might have it at three,
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but mostly I've seen it at two and a half, so definitely take the Rams.
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Yeah, the Rams are hot right now. I think Tula's been fun to watch.
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He has been playing, but Rams are going off hot.
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The Dolphins just don't look like that cohesive. So, yeah.
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Lions, yeah, no. Lions minus three and a half at Texans. I take the Lions by a touchdown easy.
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Yeah. No argent here.
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Commanders and Steelers. I'm actually kind of looking forward to this game.
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I think it's gonna be a little boring because I feel like it's gonna be a really defensive game. Yeah.
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But I think because it's going to be so defensive, I'd definitely take the under.
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Yeah. Yeah. I think that's fair. Yeah.
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And the Falcons at the Saints. The Falcons are favored minus three and a half. Easy money.
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Yeah. Like, I don't understand why that spread's not any bigger, but. Easy money.
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Yeah. That's easy money. Saints are free falling. Saints are.
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Well, Michael Thomas is it also. We don't need to go on that.
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And whoever the jags are playing pick the other team and that's the also easy
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money you know what while we're on it take the giants.
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Easy money this week guys that's what we have no crazy episodes no.
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