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Autistic people have so much to offer, and yet
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so many of us struggle to fit into a world that
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isn't designed for us. I want to help change
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that. Welcome to the Working Class Autistic podcast,
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where I talk to experts and discuss ways for
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autistic adults to thrive and reach their full
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potential at work and beyond. I'm your host,
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Kevin Joseph. Now, let's get to work. Hello,
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everyone, and welcome to this week's episode
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of Working Class Autistic. This week, I decided
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I'd try a different type of episode. and do a
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little sort of book review or book recap. I recently
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read the book Self -Care for Autistic People
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by Dr. Megan Anna Neff, and I really enjoyed
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it. It was a book that was full of a lot of different
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tips for autistic people, a lot of different
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ways to kind of improve your life, manage self
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-care, manage your emotions. And I thought there
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were a lot of tips that were helpful from a work
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-related perspective. In this episode, I thought
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I would try and cover five different work -related
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tips from the book and just kind of explain what
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I liked about them and hopefully share them.
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And then if you like the tips that I shared,
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I'd recommend checking out the book. I think
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it was a really good book as well. The first
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tip is know your stress response. So the stress
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responses, which you may have heard before, are
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fight, flight, freeze, and fawn. Now, if you're
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not familiar with these stress responses, essentially
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what happens is that when your nervous system
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is stressed, there can be either one of two responses
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or one of two places. You can either rev up and
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go into fight or flight mode, which essentially
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means that you are being prepared for action,
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getting more energetic, or, and which might be
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more common in autistic people, it goes into
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a shutdown mode to reduce sensory input, which
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this could be represented with the freeze or
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fawn state. Most jobs come with stress, some
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kind of stress, whether it's from customers,
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managers, different job responsibilities. And
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just knowing how you handle your stress response
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or what kind of stress response you tend towards
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can be really helpful for figuring out how do
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you handle those. For example, I think I tend
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towards freezing a lot. When I'm in a stressful
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situation, I tend to freeze. I tend to like to
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take a second to pause and just think about things.
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just knowing that that kind of stress response
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can happen you know let's say in a situation
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where i'm with a customer and um you know they
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say something stressful something that triggers
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a stress response um and i know like oh that's
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probably gonna make me freeze or you know pause
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um i can come up with things ahead of time to
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kind of prepare for that right um so if someone
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says something stressful i can say like um I
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can respond to them and say, like, oh, let me
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think about that for a second, or let me just
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make sure I understand what you're trying to
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say. And then that gives me a chance to kind
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of work with my freeze response, you know. By
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preparing for that, I know, like, okay, I'm going
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to freeze. Let me try and figure out a way to
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talk this out and buy myself some time to work
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through that response and make sure I can move
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forward with whatever the customer or manager
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needs. Another tip that I really liked was drop
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unnecessary demands. I really like this tip because
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I think when you're at work, especially when
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you're working at somewhere for a long time,
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you tend to kind of pick up responsibilities
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and demands along the way. You know, you start
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off working on a process and then you just kind
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of keep on working on the process for years because
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nobody ever stopped and said like, oh, hey, does
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it actually make sense for you to work on this
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process? Or can we delegate that to somebody
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else? You know, somebody, you know, somebody
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newer who maybe would benefit from more experience
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with that process. And so it can be really helpful
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to just look at your work responsibilities. One
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thing I like to do is just honestly just list
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out everything I do at work, every single responsibility,
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even if it's something quick or small. Just knowing
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what all is on your plate and then figuring out,
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okay, does this actually make sense to be on
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my plate? That can be a really good activity
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for like a yearly review or something to know
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what all am I actually working on? Does it make
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sense for me specifically to work on this? It
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doesn't make sense to pass this on to somebody
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else. But being able to drop unnecessary demands
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and even saying, or even saying like, you know,
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is this process even helpful anymore? Are there
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ways we can automate it? Is this process resulting
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in something that we even need anymore? And so
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being able to drop that process can be a way
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of getting unnecessary demands off of your plate.
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Another tip that I liked was practice gray thinking.
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And so great thinking is kind of the alternative
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to all or nothing thinking. You know, all or
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nothing thinking can be like, oh, this was the
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most amazing workday ever, or oh, this was the
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worst workday ever, or oh, that meeting went
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great, or versus that meeting went absolutely
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terrible. You know, just 100 % positive or 100
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% negative. But practicing great thinking is
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a way of saying, you know, there may have been
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good parts and bad parts to a certain meeting
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or a certain thing that happened at work. And
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it's good to remind yourself of that, that very
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few things are going to be 100 % positive or
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100 % negative. And so practicing great thinking
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can be a way of saying, let's make sure, or let's
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think it through. I feel like this meeting went
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really poorly, but let me think through some
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positives that I could take from it. Maybe there
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were some good parts of the meeting, or even
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if you can't think of good parts of the meeting,
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you can at least... talk through and say, you
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know, what did I learn from this poor meeting?
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What are some takeaways that I can take away?
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And, you know, what are some things that I can
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take away and say, you know, for next meeting
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to make sure that next meeting goes successfully,
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here are some things I can do to make sure that
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I can learn from this poor experience and move
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forward. Another example may be looking at a
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job description. Like, let's say you're looking
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for a new job and you see, you know, a lot of
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different responsibilities, a lot of different
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requirements, and you think, like, oh, I don't
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meet all of these, therefore I can't apply to
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the job. But with the gray thinking, that could
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be, I meet most of these, or I could learn things
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that I don't know, or have some experience, but
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not necessarily all the experience that they're
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asking for. It's still worth applying. Don't
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reject yourself. Let them reject you. Instead
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of saying, I'm a 100 % match for this job, or
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I'm a 0 % match for this job, just saying, I'm
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a partial match for this job. There's a possibility
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that I could be a good fit, and let's apply and
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see whether it works out. The next tip I want
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to share is embrace high -context communication.
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In a nutshell, what that means is essentially
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communication that has a lot of details or adds
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more details to what's being stated. The ways
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you can do this are things like asking for clarification.
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If your manager gives you a task to work on and
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you're not entirely sure about all the details,
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you can always ask. I feel fortunate that I've
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worked in places where asking questions was encouraged.
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And that if I wasn't sure about something, I
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was always encouraged to ask questions. It makes
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more sense to ask questions up front than to
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make assumptions or go with your gut feeling
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and realize later on, like, oh, this actually
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wasn't what the manager or what the customer
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is looking for. And so embracing high contacts,
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that's one of the skills that autistic people
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can really bring to the table is looking for
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those details, making sure you can plan out ahead
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of time and say, like, oh, we're trying to do
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this, but I feel like... if we take this move
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that will result in this consequence or this
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follow -up and so how do we want to handle that
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and so being able to think through those things
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looking for those details that you know non -autistic
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people may miss that can be a real really valuable
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asset and like and so by embracing high context
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communication and making sure you're covering
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all of your bases asking for clarification following
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up later with whatever questions you have That
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could be a real valuable thing to bring to the
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table and something to be really helpful for
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your job. The last tip I want to share from the
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book is graph scripts for boundary setting. And
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even before I knew about the modern understanding
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of autism or that I might be autistic myself,
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I had a lot of scripts for communication. And
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I talked about this in my earlier episode about
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how I learned to communicate. And I think a lot
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of it does come down to crafting scripts and
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realizing like, oh, here's our scenarios that
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might happen at the workplace and here's how
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I might want to respond, you know? Like I was
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talking about earlier with the knowing your stress
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response, let's say you have a scenario where
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You're working with a customer and a stressful
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issue comes up or a stressful topic conversation
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comes up. Just being able to plan ahead of time
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and realize and think through, okay, here's what
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my customer might want to bring up about this
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kind of issue. For example, I worked at a software
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company where we'd have to notify customers about
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bugs or serious issues, right? And so thinking
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through, okay, here's what I need to tell the
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customer. Here's how I can explain it. Questions
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that they might ask or follow up questions they
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might have. And just thinking through, okay,
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if they have this, you know, let's say they get
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stressed out or angry as a response, you know,
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just thinking through like, okay, I might have
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to deal with an angry person. How do I want to
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handle that? It can also happen in scenarios
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where it's not necessarily as stressful, right?
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I always script it out or thought through, you
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know. And whenever people have small talk or
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ask, like, oh, how was your weekend? I always
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tend to freeze up when that happens. Like, I
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don't know. I don't know why I find those so
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stressful. But just looking through, like, okay,
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during my weekend, I did this thing or I did
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these things. Or if I just had a chill weekend,
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which I needed to have chill weekends a lot when
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I was working. Or I needed to have chill weekends
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a lot when I was working in stressful jobs because
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I needed that time to recover and recharge. I
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can just say, you know, oh, I just had a chill
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weekend this weekend, you know, and just being.
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prepared for that answer can be a way of, you
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know, kind of making sure that I feel prepared
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for what comes out throughout the day. And like
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I mentioned in my earlier episode about communication,
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I really like the website askamanager .com. It's
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a blog and advice blog that shares a lot of these
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kinds of scripts. And then the website manager
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Allison really covers a lot of different scripts,
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a lot of different scenarios that can happen
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at work. And she's really skilled at providing
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scripts that say like, oh, here's how you can
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share what you want to share in a way that will
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resonate with the person you're talking to and
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kind of share your feelings in an effective way.
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And so I really appreciate the scripts that the
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website provides and the answers that she has
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to her questions, to the questions that she receives.
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And so there you have it, five work -related
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tips from the book Self -Care for Autistic People.
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Just to recap, the five tips are know your stress
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response, drop unnecessary demands, practice
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gray thinking, embrace high -contact communication,
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and craft scripts for boundary setting. If you
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like these tips, I really recommend the book.
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The book was really helpful. It has over 100
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tips, actually. And I even wanted to mention,
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the book is split into different sections for
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different types of self -care. And there is even
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a section for professional self -care, but none
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of these tips are actually from that section.
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So there are even more specific work -related
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tips in the book in that particular section.
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But I just wanted to talk about the other sections
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and just share different tips that I found really,
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really helpful that might be useful in a work
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-related context. So I highly recommend the book.
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And if you like this episode, I'd really appreciate
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listening to Apple Podcasts, I definitely would
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to let other people know about the podcast and
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that you found it helpful. And for my follow
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-up question this week, I'd love to know which
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of these tips is your favorite. Are there any
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ones that particularly resonate with you more
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than others? Email me at kevin at workingclassautistic
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.com or reach out to me through Instagram or
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LinkedIn. Thanks, and I'll see you guys next
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time. Hey, thanks for listening all the way to
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the end. You can find show notes at workingclassautistic
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Autistic people have so much to offer, and yet
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so many of us struggle to fit into a world that
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isn't designed for us. I want to help change
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that. Welcome to the Working Class Autistic podcast,
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where I talk to experts and discuss ways for
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autistic adults to thrive and reach their full
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potential at work and beyond. I'm your host,
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Kevin Joseph. Now, let's get to work. Hello,
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everyone, and welcome to this week's episode
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of Working Class Autistic. This week, I decided
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I'd try a different type of episode. and do a
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little sort of book review or book recap. I recently
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read the book Self -Care for Autistic People
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by Dr. Megan Anna Neff, and I really enjoyed
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it. It was a book that was full of a lot of different
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tips for autistic people, a lot of different
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ways to kind of improve your life, manage self
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-care, manage your emotions. And I thought there
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were a lot of tips that were helpful from a work
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-related perspective. In this episode, I thought
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I would try and cover five different work -related
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tips from the book and just kind of explain what
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I liked about them and hopefully share them.
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And then if you like the tips that I shared,
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I'd recommend checking out the book. I think
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it was a really good book as well. The first
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tip is know your stress response. So the stress
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responses, which you may have heard before, are
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fight, flight, freeze, and fawn. Now, if you're
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not familiar with these stress responses, essentially
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what happens is that when your nervous system
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is stressed, there can be either one of two responses
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or one of two places. You can either rev up and
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go into fight or flight mode, which essentially
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means that you are being prepared for action,
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getting more energetic, or, and which might be
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more common in autistic people, it goes into
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a shutdown mode to reduce sensory input, which
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this could be represented with the freeze or
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fawn state. Most jobs come with stress, some
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kind of stress, whether it's from customers,
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managers, different job responsibilities. And
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just knowing how you handle your stress response
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or what kind of stress response you tend towards
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can be really helpful for figuring out how do
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you handle those. For example, I think I tend
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towards freezing a lot. When I'm in a stressful
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situation, I tend to freeze. I tend to like to
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take a second to pause and just think about things.
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just knowing that that kind of stress response
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can happen you know let's say in a situation
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where i'm with a customer and um you know they
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say something stressful something that triggers
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a stress response um and i know like oh that's
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probably gonna make me freeze or you know pause
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um i can come up with things ahead of time to
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kind of prepare for that right um so if someone
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says something stressful i can say like um I
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can respond to them and say, like, oh, let me
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think about that for a second, or let me just
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make sure I understand what you're trying to
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say. And then that gives me a chance to kind
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of work with my freeze response, you know. By
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preparing for that, I know, like, okay, I'm going
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to freeze. Let me try and figure out a way to
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talk this out and buy myself some time to work
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through that response and make sure I can move
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forward with whatever the customer or manager
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needs. Another tip that I really liked was drop
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unnecessary demands. I really like this tip because
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I think when you're at work, especially when
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you're working at somewhere for a long time,
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you tend to kind of pick up responsibilities
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and demands along the way. You know, you start
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off working on a process and then you just kind
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of keep on working on the process for years because
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nobody ever stopped and said like, oh, hey, does
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it actually make sense for you to work on this
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process? Or can we delegate that to somebody
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else? You know, somebody, you know, somebody
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newer who maybe would benefit from more experience
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with that process. And so it can be really helpful
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to just look at your work responsibilities. One
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thing I like to do is just honestly just list
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out everything I do at work, every single responsibility,
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even if it's something quick or small. Just knowing
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what all is on your plate and then figuring out,
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okay, does this actually make sense to be on
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my plate? That can be a really good activity
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for like a yearly review or something to know
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what all am I actually working on? Does it make
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sense for me specifically to work on this? It
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doesn't make sense to pass this on to somebody
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else. But being able to drop unnecessary demands
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and even saying, or even saying like, you know,
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is this process even helpful anymore? Are there
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ways we can automate it? Is this process resulting
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in something that we even need anymore? And so
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being able to drop that process can be a way
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of getting unnecessary demands off of your plate.
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Another tip that I liked was practice gray thinking.
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And so great thinking is kind of the alternative
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to all or nothing thinking. You know, all or
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nothing thinking can be like, oh, this was the
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most amazing workday ever, or oh, this was the
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worst workday ever, or oh, that meeting went
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great, or versus that meeting went absolutely
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terrible. You know, just 100 % positive or 100
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% negative. But practicing great thinking is
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a way of saying, you know, there may have been
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good parts and bad parts to a certain meeting
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or a certain thing that happened at work. And
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it's good to remind yourself of that, that very
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few things are going to be 100 % positive or
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100 % negative. And so practicing great thinking
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can be a way of saying, let's make sure, or let's
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think it through. I feel like this meeting went
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really poorly, but let me think through some
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positives that I could take from it. Maybe there
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were some good parts of the meeting, or even
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if you can't think of good parts of the meeting,
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you can at least... talk through and say, you
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know, what did I learn from this poor meeting?
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What are some takeaways that I can take away?
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And, you know, what are some things that I can
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take away and say, you know, for next meeting
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to make sure that next meeting goes successfully,
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here are some things I can do to make sure that
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I can learn from this poor experience and move
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forward. Another example may be looking at a
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job description. Like, let's say you're looking
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for a new job and you see, you know, a lot of
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different responsibilities, a lot of different
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requirements, and you think, like, oh, I don't
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meet all of these, therefore I can't apply to
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the job. But with the gray thinking, that could
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be, I meet most of these, or I could learn things
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that I don't know, or have some experience, but
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not necessarily all the experience that they're
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asking for. It's still worth applying. Don't
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reject yourself. Let them reject you. Instead
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of saying, I'm a 100 % match for this job, or
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I'm a 0 % match for this job, just saying, I'm
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a partial match for this job. There's a possibility
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that I could be a good fit, and let's apply and
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see whether it works out. The next tip I want
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to share is embrace high -context communication.
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In a nutshell, what that means is essentially
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communication that has a lot of details or adds
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more details to what's being stated. The ways
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you can do this are things like asking for clarification.
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If your manager gives you a task to work on and
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you're not entirely sure about all the details,
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you can always ask. I feel fortunate that I've
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worked in places where asking questions was encouraged.
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And that if I wasn't sure about something, I
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was always encouraged to ask questions. It makes
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more sense to ask questions up front than to
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make assumptions or go with your gut feeling
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and realize later on, like, oh, this actually
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wasn't what the manager or what the customer
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is looking for. And so embracing high contacts,
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that's one of the skills that autistic people
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can really bring to the table is looking for
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those details, making sure you can plan out ahead
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of time and say, like, oh, we're trying to do
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this, but I feel like... if we take this move
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that will result in this consequence or this
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follow -up and so how do we want to handle that
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and so being able to think through those things
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looking for those details that you know non -autistic
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people may miss that can be a real really valuable
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asset and like and so by embracing high context
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communication and making sure you're covering
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all of your bases asking for clarification following
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up later with whatever questions you have That
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could be a real valuable thing to bring to the
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table and something to be really helpful for
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your job. The last tip I want to share from the
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book is graph scripts for boundary setting. And
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even before I knew about the modern understanding
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of autism or that I might be autistic myself,
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I had a lot of scripts for communication. And
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I talked about this in my earlier episode about
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how I learned to communicate. And I think a lot
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of it does come down to crafting scripts and
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realizing like, oh, here's our scenarios that
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might happen at the workplace and here's how
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I might want to respond, you know? Like I was
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talking about earlier with the knowing your stress
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response, let's say you have a scenario where
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You're working with a customer and a stressful
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issue comes up or a stressful topic conversation
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comes up. Just being able to plan ahead of time
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and realize and think through, okay, here's what
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my customer might want to bring up about this
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kind of issue. For example, I worked at a software
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company where we'd have to notify customers about
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bugs or serious issues, right? And so thinking
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through, okay, here's what I need to tell the
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customer. Here's how I can explain it. Questions
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that they might ask or follow up questions they
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might have. And just thinking through, okay,
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if they have this, you know, let's say they get
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stressed out or angry as a response, you know,
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just thinking through like, okay, I might have
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to deal with an angry person. How do I want to
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handle that? It can also happen in scenarios
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where it's not necessarily as stressful, right?
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I always script it out or thought through, you
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know. And whenever people have small talk or
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ask, like, oh, how was your weekend? I always
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tend to freeze up when that happens. Like, I
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don't know. I don't know why I find those so
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stressful. But just looking through, like, okay,
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during my weekend, I did this thing or I did
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these things. Or if I just had a chill weekend,
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which I needed to have chill weekends a lot when
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I was working. Or I needed to have chill weekends
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a lot when I was working in stressful jobs because
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I needed that time to recover and recharge. I
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can just say, you know, oh, I just had a chill
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weekend this weekend, you know, and just being.
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prepared for that answer can be a way of, you
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know, kind of making sure that I feel prepared
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for what comes out throughout the day. And like
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I mentioned in my earlier episode about communication,
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I really like the website askamanager .com. It's
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a blog and advice blog that shares a lot of these
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kinds of scripts. And then the website manager
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Allison really covers a lot of different scripts,
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a lot of different scenarios that can happen
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at work. And she's really skilled at providing
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scripts that say like, oh, here's how you can
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share what you want to share in a way that will
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resonate with the person you're talking to and
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kind of share your feelings in an effective way.
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And so I really appreciate the scripts that the
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website provides and the answers that she has
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to her questions, to the questions that she receives.
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And so there you have it, five work -related
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tips from the book Self -Care for Autistic People.
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Just to recap, the five tips are know your stress
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response, drop unnecessary demands, practice
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gray thinking, embrace high -contact communication,
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and craft scripts for boundary setting. If you
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like these tips, I really recommend the book.
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The book was really helpful. It has over 100
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tips, actually. And I even wanted to mention,
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the book is split into different sections for
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different types of self -care. And there is even
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a section for professional self -care, but none
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of these tips are actually from that section.
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So there are even more specific work -related
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tips in the book in that particular section.
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But I just wanted to talk about the other sections
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and just share different tips that I found really,
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really helpful that might be useful in a work
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-related context. So I highly recommend the book.
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And if you like this episode, I'd really appreciate
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it if you would leave a review on the podcast
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app of choice. I'm still waiting for my first
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review on the Apple Podcast app, so if you're
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listening to Apple Podcasts, I definitely would
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appreciate it if you would leave a review just
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to let other people know about the podcast and
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that you found it helpful. And for my follow
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-up question this week, I'd love to know which
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of these tips is your favorite. Are there any
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ones that particularly resonate with you more
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than others? Email me at kevin at workingclassautistic
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.com or reach out to me through Instagram or
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LinkedIn. Thanks, and I'll see you guys next
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time. Hey, thanks for listening all the way to
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the end. You can find show notes at workingclassautistic
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