AKA BK

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Get ready for a wild fucking ride.
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Oh, yeah, that's right.
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Oh man, Adam, I haven't heard this song in far too long.
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It has been a rather long minute.
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It's been what the kids say.
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I don't know if the kids say this anymore, but it's been what they call a hot minute
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that since we've had a guest on.
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But I have to say, I'm super excited.
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I'm jacked at the tits at the moment.
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Oh yeah, that's a great way to put it.
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So I mean, why wait?
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Let's just get right down to business with the patented, wait, find the bell.
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The patented game rage magazine without sensor introduction.
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Oh, you got to turn the sound back up.
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I'm a little bit.
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Just slip it up.
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Yeah, there you go.
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All right.
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Okay, there we go.
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This interview sanctioned by World Championship Podcast Federation, sponsored by GameRage
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magazine and presented by without sensor is scheduled for one fall.
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Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages, people around the world.
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At long last, we bring you the interview of a lifetime.
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This interviewee goes by many names.
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Some have said they are the savant of cinema, the virtuoso of vogue.
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They have been called the intersection of interesting ideas.
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They are the amalgamation of awesome.
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Aka BK.
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All right.
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Okay, are you there?
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Hello?
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Hello.
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All right.
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Good to go.
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Oh, my gosh.
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Well, thank you.
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We appreciate it.
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And that's just a small token of our appreciation to show you that we appreciate you coming
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on.
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Man, I think I'm going to have to like make a loop of that and throw that on when I wake
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up in the morning.
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You know, I will you should do that 100 percent.
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I'm totally down for that.
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Sounds good to me.
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If the remix comes out, you know, I mean, I signed a contract for this, but I need to
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get a contract for you guys.
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You know what we have?
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Yeah, our in-house our in-house artist, Millennial Frog, will we'll get on the remix version
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for you.
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Yeah, thank you so much for joining us, BK.
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It is a real privilege to have you as one of the new faces of music in general and here
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locally in Southern California.
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And I came across your music through a reel, which is just a snippet of your your awesome
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music video, and you know, once I saw the first 15 seconds, I thought, you know, this
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artist has got something.
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And as I did more research about you, as I looked into you, looked into you more, I just
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thought I can't believe I'm finding this artist at the ground floor.
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And now you're here on this podcast to enlighten us about your journey as an artist and you
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yourself as a person.
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So thank you so much for being here.
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Thank you guys for having me.
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Yeah, that's awesome to hear.
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And when you guys mentioned that track and finding it on the other episode and you reached
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out through email, I listened to that and I was really like taking a back.
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I was like, whoa, like, you know, someone actually saw this and took the time to talk
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about it, which is obviously every artist's dream, I guess, or like, I feel like most
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artists purpose in doing something.
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So seeing that really stuck out to me, too.
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So thank you.
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Yeah.
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And at the moment you have to rather 10,000 streams right now for we said we wouldn't
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do this at the moment.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It broke 10,000.
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That was the first time that's ever happened for me.
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Yeah.
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So hell of an accomplishment.
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Yeah.
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Only the beginning.
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I can't wait to see those zeros continue to amount.
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And, you know, when you get further down the line, we're going to see a billion streams.
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I can't wait for that.
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Thanks.
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Oh, sorry.
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Good.
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Oh, no, I'm just saying thanks.
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I appreciate that.
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So the first question that we wanted to ask you is just kind of a staple.
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And we just wanted to ask what your name is and what your what your project is called.
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My name is Brooklyn and the project that I've been working on and now I'm releasing under
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is called AKA BK.
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Awesome.
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And how long have you been working on this project specifically?
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Because I did find out that and not that I could find the the videos or the music itself,
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but there were other incarnations of you prior to this this this current iteration of yourself
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is if I'm not mistaken, is that correct?
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Yes.
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So this project, AKA BK, I've been working on for just over a year now, actually.
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So I've been trying to work with my now very good friend who I'm doing the full project
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with, Caleb Waterman.
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I've been trying to work with him for a minute, but he's super busy and didn't really know
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who I was.
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So I just, you know, did my own thing had been making music with some other people.
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Sound I wanted working with these other people, and they're still like great people.
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It's just different genres and not really on the same wavelength.
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So finally, I did put out the project from before under BK, a YNN.
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And because I had worked on all that music, I still wanted to like, celebrate it and also
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just you know, give it a chance to be shared with people and give people the chance to
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like, join me to recognize that step because I knew the project wasn't perfect.
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But I did want to like still acknowledge it and all the work that went into it because
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I learned a lot doing that first project.
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So I had a little listening party.
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And luckily, I was working at Braindead Studios at the time and they were super generous and
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letting me host the listening party at their theater.
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So yeah, I thought it was going to be really just like a few of my friends, like maybe
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15, 20 people.
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We ended up like packing it out somehow.
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And all these people came people that I didn't know came.
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And yeah, we got to listen to that project.
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And from the attention of that night, Caleb, you know, and I started talking.
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And you know, he was like, Oh, we should just do a session together.
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And I was like freaking out because I was like, Whoa, finally, I can do a session with
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you.
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And then we wrote the second single that I just put out called Why in that first session
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in like an hour and a half or something.
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And I was just so geeked because like that sound felt like definitely the step in the
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direction I've been trying to go in.
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So yeah.
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And if you don't mind enlightening us with the person that you've been working with,
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who are they and why are they so important?
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And why did you want to work with them in the first place?
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And do you believe that that that showing at the Braindead Studios or theater was was
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that the turning point for why that actually happened that you were able to work with them?
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Yeah, I mean, his name is Caleb Waterman.
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And he's also originally from Detroit.
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I'm from Metro Detroit.
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So I just knew of them because they were working with friends of mine from Detroit the last
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few years.
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And so it was just kind of one of those things where you like notice people from home when
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they move out here.
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So yeah, just kind of keeping tabs on like who's out here and who's from Michigan and
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stuff like that.
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So he had been working on some projects that were getting a lot of attention from back
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home.
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One person being our good friend Sam Austen's.
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He's a great artist as well.
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And yeah, he'd been working with him.
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And I went and saw a show of Sam's when he came out here.
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And I met Caleb very briefly, but I knew he was working with Sam and I really liked the
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work he was doing.
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So yeah, that was pretty much kind of where that connection took off.
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It was one of those things where I hadn't really spoken to him ever, but I followed
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on Instagram.
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He followed me back and we'd message back and forth.
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That was pretty much it for a while.
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And yeah, I think like, I mean, obviously I won't get into Caleb's side of the story,
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but like now we obviously like look back at it and we're like, oh my gosh, that's all
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so funny how it played out.
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But I think it's hard to be in music all the time, especially like I feel like the transition
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from making music in a place like Detroit to coming out here when there's one, a lot
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of different people making a lot of different things for a lot of different reasons.
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And like, that's all fine.
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But once again, it's just a big jump.
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And so you just have to choose who you keep in your circles wisely.
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You just don't really know.
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And it's like hard to navigate all those different energies and all those different like connections
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when you first move out here.
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So I think Caleb was just kind of like doing his thing and it was just one of those things
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where he didn't know who I was.
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So he was busy and what would cause that catalyst.
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And luckily the success of that listening party, I think he just saw like, wow, those
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are a lot of good people in that room.
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And people spoke about that listening party with a rare energy that I feel like it's hard
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to find out here sometimes.
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But like just good people getting together and it's not costing you an arm and a leg
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to go to and just like, I don't know, celebrating someone's art.
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And like that's not something I take for granted at all.
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Like that night was really special.
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So I don't know if that answers the question.
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Oh, absolutely it did.
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Yeah.
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I mean, speaking for myself, I mean, I have tried to kind of do the same thing you have
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where I go out to like Los Angeles to see, well, not just Los Angeles, but just everywhere
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to see where the music is happening and all the bands that are playing right now.
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And not everybody's friendly and not everybody is willing to be as benevolent as you might
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be or trying to match like the same energy to build a community.
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It doesn't always work out that way, but it's just kind of the nature of being here sometimes.
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Yeah, exactly.
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So you did mention that you have roots in Detroit.
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Would you be willing to discuss some of your background and a bit about your life?
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Yeah, for sure.
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I'm from Metro Detroit, so the suburbs outside.
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I was super lucky to be able to like be in Detroit and like be able to have a music scene
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when I was growing up.
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And like there was a lot of different scenes taking place in Detroit and Metro Detroit
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and Michigan at that time and still now.
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But the scene I was kind of a part of was more of a pop punk rock scene at the time,
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you know, early like 2000s, like 2010, 2011, 2012 era of music.
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So I was able to grow up around that and the first band that I started was at the end of
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elementary school, the very like first year of middle school.
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So I just started drumming.
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One of my friends had just picked up a guitar and somehow I was like, yeah, you should play
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the talent show.
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You know, like we had no idea what we're doing.
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And I convinced them to do it.
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So we learned Don't Stop Believing, which to this day now I can't stand that song because
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it's just, you know, I'm like, oh yeah, but we did it.
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And that was kind of like from there, it was like I fell in love with it and was super
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blessed to have a community that was there who for the most part was much older than
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us, which was always funny.
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Like, cause you just had these like shrimpy kids, you know, pulling up to the venue with
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their parents in the bath because we couldn't drive.
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And yeah, so that's kind of when the bug had bit.
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And then I moved out here for school.
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I went to CalArts and I studied film and fine art actually.
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Because right before I moved out to LA, I was in a different band in high school that
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I became the lead singer of because the first band I was the drummer.
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So I became the lead singer of a different band and that band ended up kind of just falling
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out and ending before I moved out here.
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But there was always like secretly the like seed in my head, like the whole band's going
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to come out to LA with me and we're going to actually do that.
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But that ended before I moved.
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So when I moved, I was like, damn, I guess I'm just going to do what I'm going to school
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for.
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And like, I guess the music chapter is done.
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Like, that's just what I did because that's what everyone was doing.
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And that's that.
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And then I was pretty sad for those like most of college because I was just like, I couldn't
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even listen to music, to be honest, because it just bummed me out so much.
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So I, yeah, it was just a total 180.
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Definitely went through my own like transition of like being just who I am.
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And so that was a different time for me, but long story short, I do think all that was
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super important because like now that I've done that, it's like, and now that I've chosen
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music again and it's a choice in my adult life, it's like there's definitely no looking
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back and for better or for worse, it's the path I'm on and I can't choose anything else
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because I really do like love it that much.
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Yeah, one question that I had written down initially was I was curious about whether
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music was something that you pursued, you know, immediately from your younger years,
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if this is kind of been the plan or if film, studying film and TV or rather cinematography,
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if that was the thing that you were more banking on and music would just be supplemental, you
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just find out what happens, but it seems like music has been more of a priority than I initially
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thought.
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Yeah, I think jumping off of like what I said before, it's just kind of like I'm moving
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to LA, it's logical to, you know, do this career path.
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Like it's something that's I have the skill set for.
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My dad had worked in commercials in LA like when I was super, super, super young, but
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then they ended up moving back to Michigan because he was kind of like, he just was nervous
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about being able to really participate in my life while making so many commercials and
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a lot of it was overseas and so he was willing to, you know, pack that part of his life up
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and switch up his careers to be in Michigan.
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Just to kind of be more hands on, which obviously is like such a sacrifice and I really do appreciate
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and picked up a lot of editing skills and just like interest in film because he always
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had like some sort of, you know, camcorder laying around and he'd show me how to use
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that equipment.
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So it was just like a natural thing that I picked up and was good at because I did it
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from such a young age and obviously like not a lot of kids have a parent who can show them
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the software and have the software.
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So I just picked that language up quickly and yeah, so it's just like, okay, this is
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a viable thing that will make me money.
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Because no one was really saying like, yeah, you can make money in music because, you know,
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it's just, I get it.
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It's tough to tell a kid like, yeah, you're going to make money in a band.
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But yeah.
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And that is rather interesting that you have been embedded with knowledge and experience
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of how to work with different media.
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I'm guessing, you know, After Effects and damn it, what's the video component of the
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premiere that you got a leg up over a lot of people.
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So I imagine that has played a role very much in your project that you kind of have the
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visual, you have a vision in so many words of what you want, how you want to present
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the project and where you want to go with it.
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I imagine.
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For sure.
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Yeah.
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I think that definitely like helps out a lot is like being able to know that I have that
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covered and not have to like really fully rely on anyone else for that.
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Like I can't imagine how frustrating that could be for some other artists to like release
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that aspect.
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But some people like it, you know, I know that some people like are really down for
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that.
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And I do love collaboration too, but it definitely helps as an indie artist, especially where
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there's no funding.
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There's no like somebody's paying for the editor, the da da da.
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So it's like, all right, time to pull up my bootstraps and do this one myself.
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Like,
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Real quick.
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I thought that I, you know, wasn't a great editor.
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I'm putting myself a glass of water, my voice is just rattling away.
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But yeah, I just, because I didn't pursue editing professionally and I went to school
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with a lot of people who did go on to do that.
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I was like, man, I am not that good at editing compared to these cats.
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Like they're going absolutely to like great lengths and like reaching great heights in
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this.
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But, you know, as time's gone on, I'm like, as I go to edit my videos and like do, you
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know, some smaller projects for other people I know, I'm like, okay, like I do have, I
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have what I need.
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And I think a lot of being an indie artist is just like looking around and saying like,
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I have what I need because you have all these industries and all like just people saying
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that you don't.
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And so being able to like look inward and tell yourself you have what you need and like
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use that, I think is just like the greatest weapon you can have in all of it.
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So I'm super lucky to have that background.
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Oh yeah, definitely.
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We can, I think, agree 100% on that.
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It's kind of, I've, I don't know the, what is it, what is like a synonym for it is basically
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we don't really want to get into the kids.
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We'll have our own table, right?
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We don't need to go sit at the big kids table because like that'll never happen.
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You know, we'll never, we'll never get picked up by a studio or anything like that.
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So and honestly, that's cool for us because like we don't want that.
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We want to be on our own and do like the things we want to do.
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We want to talk to who we want to talk to.
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We don't want to have to have any strings or whatever.
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And yeah, sure.
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We're going to suffer in the monetary department as opposed to going into a big, you know,
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the Hollywood system or whatever you want to call it.
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Right.
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Yeah, definitely, I think you're a hundred percent right on that.
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The best weapon that people who are independent have is, is just that it's the independence
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and being able to figure out how to work within your means of like what you have available
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and you know, accentuate your positives, hide the negatives, you know, it's that kind of,
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that kind of a thing.
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But I want to just circle back real quick because I remember you had said how when you
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came out here, you were kind of down on music.
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You were just like, Oh, maybe this is like past, you know, this is my, my, my, my, my
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life is over in that sense.
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And I'm moving on.
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Right.
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What was the thing that got you back into doing it again?
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Man, that is a great question.
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I think I really like had felt the weight of not doing it for all those years.
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And I was pointing fingers at other things.
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I'm like, Oh, I'm like far away from home.
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And of course, all those things factor factor in 1000%.
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It's like I'm far away from home or like these people, maybe like some of the people I was
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first meeting in California, like I just didn't really, I wasn't meeting the right people
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or they weren't as inviting as, you know, people back home.
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So I was blaming all these things.
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But then as time went on, you know, there was just still that like emptiness where I
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didn't feel like, I don't know what I like, whatever that feeling is that music gives
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me or whatever that you love gives you, you know, like I had done an internship for, you
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know, some sort of trailer spot company in the summer, one summer.
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And I was like, this is, this can't be it.
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Like I can't do this forever.
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And yeah, the last thing that made me feel like, man, I could, no matter how bad it gets,
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I could keep going was music.
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So I just kind of was thinking about it a little more and more.
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And then the pandemic happened and I was, I graduated during the pandemic.
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So obviously that was strange and strange for job market things.
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So that probably honestly helped a lot.
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Like as much as it was a weird time for me personally, it probably allowed me to not
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just dive right into some sort of career path that was aligned with my degree and really
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sit with the thought of, okay, what if I were to do this?
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And so I started writing songs by myself just to see if I could do it.
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Then I hit up some friends that I had known out in California who mainly worked on like
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electronic music, but they were who I knew.
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And so I hit them up to see if they'd be down to work on some songs with me and they were.
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And we made that project that I put out under BKLYNN.
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And yeah, from there, I was just like, this just feels right.
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So no looking back now.
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Yeah, no, I get you.
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It's like you were missing that spark of creative passion that you were just, oh man, it's like,
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I got to go back to this.
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I got to, it sucks you back in, right?
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For sure.
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And then like I said, I wasn't listening to music at the time because it was like that
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bad where I was just like, damn, this like physically hurts to listen to music.
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So kind of when I opened my mind up to like, okay, what if I were to try doing this again
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in any capacity?
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I didn't know I was going to like fully, fully take it on, but I was just like, what if I
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just started writing for myself or like writing with some other people?
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I listened to this one Japanese house album.
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I don't know if you've heard of that band.
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They're based out of the UK, but they had this one album, I think it's called Good at Falling,
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I want to say.
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And I listened to it top to bottom.
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It was kind of like the first thing I'd actually listened to in years.
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And I just sobbed my eyes out the whole way through.
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I was just like, oh my gosh, this is what I've been missing going on.
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What the fuck?
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Or what the bleep?
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This is without censored.
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Yeah, you can say whatever the hell you want.
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I mean, listen, we're big fans of cursing.
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So just don't be afraid.
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If you got to drop a fuck or a shit, go right ahead.
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Okay, Matt.
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But yeah.
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All right.
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You got a next question, Adam?
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Oh yeah.
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So just to pick up back where we left off as far as getting your degree, you followed
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up with working at Brain Dead Studios, which is part street fashion brand.
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And also they own a studio in Fairfax, if I'm not mistaken.
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Yeah, they run a movie theater on Fairfax.
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They converted this old silent movie theater that was pretty historical in that area.
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They took it over and they have a store upstairs and then they have the theater that they run
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a lot of actual like film programming out of as well as like digital.
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Yeah.
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And you yourself operated as part of the company as a studio coordinator.
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So I was curious to find out what you could tell us about the position and how it affected
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you as a film and fashion enthusiast and possibly as an artist.
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Yeah.
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I mean, at that point I was like, I just really needed to find a job.
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I'd been freelancing in the industry, the film industry a little more before that.
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And it was also another thing that I was kind of like, maybe I'll do this for money and
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I'll just kind of be writing music on the side.
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And I was working in the art department a lot and then I just thought like, what a grind
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it is to actually break through to like get your union hours and then go and try to be
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approved to be in the union.
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And like, you know, it's just such a crazy grind and I like respect the hell out of it.
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But I was just like, once again, I do not love this remotely enough to like put in that
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many hours for it.
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So I stopped doing that and then a little time had passed.
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I was like, okay, I really do need to like be making more consistent money.
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So I was just like walking around literally.
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I was like, I'm just going to drive somewhere in LA and walk around and just see what I
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see and like maybe this will spark some idea.
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And my friends back home in Detroit actually had mentioned the brand Braindead.
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I don't know even how they knew it.
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They were like talking about it at one point.
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So I was walking down the street and I saw the logo on top of the movie theater and I
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was like, what the heck?
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Like, I'm pretty sure my friends are telling me about that.
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So I went inside and I went into the building, went upstairs and you know, Braindead is a
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fully like they just do everything that they choose to the max.
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And so like working there was always so funny because explaining the concept, the brand
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to anyone felt insane.
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I'm like, I understand that this doesn't sound like it would work, but somehow it's working
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because they just, whatever they get into, they just go all the way in.
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So that's kind of how it feels entering that store.
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You know, like you go upstairs and it's the clothing section, but everything is crazy
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prints and like custom rugs and all the shelving or customs.
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They kind of just are these weird natural cutouts that kind of look almost like the
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shape of coral and SpongeBob.
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Like that's the best way I could describe it.
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So I just walked in there and I was like, wow, I haven't seen anything like this in
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a minute.
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So I was pretty stoked on it and I appreciated like their commitment to just world building
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in their own way.
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And that definitely tied it into like my experience at CalArts.
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Like CalArts is such a strange experimental in its own bubble place that like every corner
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of that school, you would just find work being made and like people just committing to these
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ideas.
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And so yeah, naturally when I walked into Brain Dead, I kind of felt a little bit of
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that energy of just like unapologetic commitment to an idea.
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And I was like, okay, cool.
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I messed with this.
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I asked him if I could apply.
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They gave me an email.
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I sent a resume.
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And yeah, I think just being around people who do that, it was always going to help you
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out.
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And I met a lot of really, really awesome people through Brain Dead, whether if they
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worked there, they just like were passing through the building.
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And yeah, so that definitely all did impact me one way or another.
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I have a question about because you were kind of talking about the space itself.
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Have you ever been to a place called Meow Wolf?
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No.
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Oh, it's not exactly related to film, but it does have different medias and stuff like
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that.
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I think you guys have a chance like look up Meow Wolf because they have a whole bunch of
469
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,680
artistic stuff, but they just have they have this like grocery store.
470
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,800
And it's it's weird.
471
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,960
It's got weird items like I can't even think of one right now.
472
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,240
But there's also like hidden spaces.
473
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:37,800
If you if you find the clues, you can go through hidden passageways and you can end up in a
474
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,440
completely different room.
475
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:45,480
And even even just visiting this place, like you couldn't see everything at once.
476
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,360
Like it'd probably take you multiple times.
477
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:53,600
I kind of figured maybe that would be like up your alley if you had possibly gone to it.
478
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,840
But I'm actually kind of what area is it in?
479
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,040
I think it's in Las Vegas and there's one in Colorado.
480
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:00,040
Yeah.
481
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,640
So if you ever have a chance, I think that probably be up your alley because it kind
482
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,040
of sounds like what you're talking about with Brain Dead Studios.
483
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,320
And it's like to the nth degree.
484
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,080
Yeah, exactly.
485
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,640
It's like low.
486
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:20,360
It's like very I mean, this is going to sound like a jump, but it's like almost amusement
487
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,720
park level.
488
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,720
You know, like obviously not quite there.
489
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,320
But you know, when you're walking through an amusement park and they like commit to
490
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,160
the walkways being.
491
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:37,120
In theme with everything else, like the railing still is like somehow tied into like what
492
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,880
you're supposed to be doing.
493
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,720
And so it's like all those details are really cool.
494
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:43,720
Yeah.
495
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,680
So I mean, if you ever get the chance to go out to Las Vegas and check this, I think I
496
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,800
think you'd have a really great time.
497
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,200
I've written it down.
498
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:53,200
Meow.
499
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,720
Dude, Adam, you find the weirdest shit, man.
500
00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:00,000
I don't know how to explain that to people when they ask me about, oh, what are you guys
501
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,000
doing?
502
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,000
I'm just like, yeah, we're not doing anything.
503
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,000
Don't ask us.
504
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,640
Adam's just getting us into all kinds of weird shit.
505
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:05,640
Now we have to go there.
506
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,720
Like we have to go to this place now.
507
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,840
I mean, you have me intrigued.
508
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:14,760
Dude, there's I don't know how to describe it, but there's just weird shit and bands
509
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,280
actually play there, too.
510
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,280
I've seen there's this band locally here.
511
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,800
They're called L.A. Witch and they played at Meow Wolf.
512
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,520
And there's just I don't know how to describe it.
513
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:26,520
Yeah.
514
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:27,520
It's like an amalgamation.
515
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:28,520
Yeah.
516
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,120
Hey, do you work for Meow Wolf?
517
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,120
God damn it.
518
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,120
You're not telling me.
519
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:34,120
No, I wish.
520
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:38,800
I mean, because then maybe we actually get paid.
521
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,640
Yeah.
522
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:48,840
So I wanted to follow up and talk about because you talked about the previous band or rather
523
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,280
the previous incarnation of yourself.
524
00:34:52,280 --> 00:35:02,240
Just to reiterate, before you became a KBK, you had a project that was BKL, Y and N. And
525
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:06,600
you were mentioning some of it that you had other people involved with it.
526
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:11,600
So what was the transition between what you were doing back then to now?
527
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:20,200
And how have you changed since your previous incarnation, if at all?
528
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:26,440
I mean, I feel like overall, it's been a natural progression.
529
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:32,880
I think it was like just one of those things where it's like everything you do, you look
530
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:39,180
back on and you realize like, oh, my God, I needed to do that to be able to do this.
531
00:35:39,180 --> 00:35:45,520
And at the time for that, the BKL, Y and N, I need to stop with the letter names, man.
532
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,120
Like, it's so confusing.
533
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,840
I've set myself up.
534
00:35:49,840 --> 00:36:00,360
But for that project, there was a barrier and it was the first time I had made music
535
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,240
without a band.
536
00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:08,200
So it was fully me calling the shots, saying like, I think it needs to be this and that.
537
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:09,440
It needs to sound this way.
538
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:15,720
And I also super underconfident because I'd always written with once again a full band.
539
00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:20,640
And so you're kind of all just bouncing off of each other or like if someone, if you're
540
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:25,000
feeling doubt, somebody else picks it up or fills in the blank.
541
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:32,360
And so this was like really my first stab at like just leading the charge myself.
542
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,800
And yeah, I ended up, I'm so glad I did it.
543
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:44,120
But at the time, either internally, I was thinking like, oh, my gosh, I don't know how
544
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:50,080
to communicate these things or like, I have this in my head, but I don't know how to get
545
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,920
the producer I'm working with to understand that.
546
00:36:53,920 --> 00:37:00,080
You know, some of it is just that like there was a disconnect because we weren't listening
547
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,280
to the same types of music or like the music I was trying to make wasn't the music they
548
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,040
really worked in.
549
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:11,800
And I just didn't know how to like push it to get there, you know, and it probably just
550
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,280
wouldn't have and that's totally fine.
551
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:20,560
Because really what I got out of all that was learning, okay, I can, I know how to write
552
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:25,160
a good song, like I can write a song beginning to end and have all the parts.
553
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:30,400
And now I understand what it's like to work with other people and to communicate.
554
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,520
And I now I'm learning how to be more effective in that.
555
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:39,700
And yeah, so I think all those I've changed so much in like those ways and just the confidence
556
00:37:39,700 --> 00:37:40,700
of it all.
557
00:37:40,700 --> 00:37:46,720
And it was one of those things that when I went for that first session with Kayla, within
558
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:53,840
like the first 30 minutes of us, you know, kicking it and starting to write stuff, it's
559
00:37:53,840 --> 00:38:00,880
just like we were so on the same page that I realized like, oh, like, I, you know, I
560
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,760
don't even have to even say that much.
561
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:10,520
Like we were just speaking the same language versus like with the past people.
562
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,040
We just weren't necessarily speaking the same language.
563
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,320
So it was like, it's not like I'm saying the wrong things.
564
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:20,240
It's just that we're not talking on the same from the same place versus Caleb and I, whether
565
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:26,120
if it's because we're from the same place or because we grew up listening to similar
566
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:30,180
types of music and having similar inspirations.
567
00:38:30,180 --> 00:38:33,520
It's just like we instantly were like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, like firing
568
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,200
back and forth and understanding each other.
569
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,920
And so within that first hour of hearing the song, I like was grinning so big.
570
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,480
I was trying so hard not to like grin so big.
571
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:47,800
I was like, if he turns around, like if he swivels the chair around to look at me, he's
572
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,560
going to be like, why is the person like, easing so hard right now?
573
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:56,800
But it was just because I was like, oh my gosh, like I've just been waiting to hear
574
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,360
the song sound like this.
575
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,560
Like this is kind of where I've always wanted to be.
576
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,560
But I just, you know, it wasn't, it wasn't time.
577
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,400
Like I wasn't meant to get there yet and that once again was because I had to learn all
578
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,200
those other lessons first.
579
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,000
And yeah.
580
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:17,800
And I sent the file to my partner like right away when we were in the room still, I was
581
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,420
like, oh, this is what I'm working on with Caleb.
582
00:39:21,420 --> 00:39:26,840
And he instantly was like, oh my gosh, like this, like I, it feels like I'm hearing you
583
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,200
for the first time.
584
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,880
Because he had known how much I wanted it to sound one way or like he knew what I was
585
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,280
listening to and who I was aspiring to be.
586
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,040
And so, you know, it was just super affirming.
587
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:39,600
All right.
588
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:44,040
I got to ask, I, I'm going to jump a little bit ahead from some of the questions I had
589
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:50,640
lined up, but the, I mean, one thing that I really love about your music is how you
590
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,680
write just amazing hooks that feel grandiose.
591
00:39:54,680 --> 00:40:01,000
I think I had, when I first emailed you, I had said that I could picture this easily
592
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,680
and I don't know if this is your motivation.
593
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:07,000
I think you're, you just want to make great music, right?
594
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,000
For sure.
595
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,000
Yeah.
596
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:14,520
But I got to be honest, man, this, this is, this is like television movie ready and this
597
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:15,520
is you.
598
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,840
Hey, thank you.
599
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,840
Like I could already see your music synced in diff.
600
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:26,380
I mean, the, the, the scenario that I imagine for like the latter half of we said we wouldn't
601
00:40:26,380 --> 00:40:31,720
do this when it gets to the chorus is that there's some girl, you know, like a coming
602
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:37,840
of age movie that she's twirling around times, Times Square in New York.
603
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:42,880
And it just has an epic like coming of age feel to it.
604
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:51,460
And and I don't, I think I had a misconception about where I thought your music was as far
605
00:40:51,460 --> 00:40:57,840
as genres go and I don't even want to bother trying to try to pin, pin you down in one
606
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:58,840
way.
607
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,720
Like how would you describe your own music and who are your inspirations?
608
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:08,360
Man, that is always such a tough one.
609
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:13,600
You know, I think vaguely, you know, for anyone listening to this, I guess I would say like
610
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,000
indie, alt rock.
611
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:22,400
It would be my best stab at giving it a genre.
612
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:27,800
But I mean, I've listened, I listen to a lot of different music, but growing up, I was
613
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:32,000
definitely listening to like the strokes.
614
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,720
And I think that's where a lot of like the bigger melodies come from is like listening
615
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:38,800
to that era of bands.
616
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:43,240
They just had these like really incredible hooks.
617
00:41:43,240 --> 00:41:49,520
And I don't know, I think about like a lot where I'm like, I don't know if it came from
618
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,840
like my very, very first band.
619
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,880
We obviously were like super young.
620
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:59,680
So we just started playing like all covers, pretty much all our sets were like mostly
621
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,800
covers.
622
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:10,240
And I would be in the car either being picked up from school or going to a show with my
623
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:14,200
bandmates in the car, we're all friends and we're with like one of our parents or both
624
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,120
of our parents in the car.
625
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,400
And we they would teach us how to like harmonize and stuff.
626
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,680
And so we'd just be like drilling that stuff into ourselves.
627
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,960
So I don't know, I'm sure all of that has to play into it.
628
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,560
But also, yeah, there's so many musical references.
629
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:35,920
I grew up worshipping Paramore and Hayley Williams.
630
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,360
So that's a big one.
631
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,400
Yeah, I could go.
632
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:45,320
I would I don't want to like ramble and list off like every single.
633
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:46,520
No worries.
634
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:52,440
I mean, because when I initially heard we said we wouldn't do this, I thought vaguely.
635
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:58,400
I mean, just just like the glitchiness of the vocals, I thought it it came across like
636
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,120
a little crystal castle ish.
637
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:07,440
And it felt like a like a dash of pop, like there was pop elements in there and it felt
638
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:08,640
like a low him.
639
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:16,280
And now that I hear why, I think I thought I heard more like Karen Oh or yeah, yes.
640
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,520
But I don't know, that's just me.
641
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,280
That's how I interpreted your music.
642
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:27,480
But I know it it can evolve in any any way possible as you release more music.
643
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:32,160
But those were just some of the things that kind of came to mind to me when I was listening
644
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,040
these two these two singles.
645
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:38,120
Yeah, no, those are not far off at all.
646
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:45,120
And like, yeah, it's definitely funny because we started writing these songs a year ago.
647
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:46,480
And why was there in a year ago?
648
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,480
That was the first one.
649
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:54,720
And moving away from there, obviously, now we're just at a different place where we still
650
00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:57,680
are sitting like on all this music from the past year.
651
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:06,280
And it's like crazy to be looking at it and kind of, you know, from this macro point of
652
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:13,120
view versus like being in it, because now I'm like, wow, you know, you guys only know
653
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,400
of the project from these two songs.
654
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,440
And now I'm seeing like where I'm at a year later.
655
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:23,460
So that's always just like another funny aspect about being an artist is like always staying
656
00:44:23,460 --> 00:44:26,640
connected to like what you've made already.
657
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:32,120
And like, no matter how much time has passed and understanding like what other people are
658
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,760
getting from it and what they're not getting from it and that you need to like supplement
659
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:41,400
into it to like try to invite them into the world, if that makes sense.
660
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:42,400
Yeah.
661
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:49,560
Because I think so many people were so confused, especially from like the last project and
662
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:54,080
now coming out and putting out songs under AKBK.
663
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,240
It's like sometimes you just got to like state what you are to be because I think at first
664
00:44:58,240 --> 00:44:59,880
people are like, wait, so what is this?
665
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:00,880
What's happening?
666
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,000
Why you change that?
667
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:09,960
And so it's like, yeah, it's definitely a funny, funny thing to try to figure out what
668
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:14,720
the genre is and like who what it.
669
00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:17,120
Think of when they hear it.
670
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:22,280
I definitely think that there's more more great things from you to come.
671
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:27,220
I think regardless of what music you put out, it's just going to be it's just going to be
672
00:45:27,220 --> 00:45:28,220
off the charts.
673
00:45:28,220 --> 00:45:29,220
Awesome.
674
00:45:29,220 --> 00:45:35,720
So one thing I wanted to ask you was.
675
00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:42,280
So this podcast is something like an open canvas and you can say or say whatever you
676
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:43,840
want.
677
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:48,160
And Josh and I personally have this whiteboard, these whiteboards that we write down things
678
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:53,240
because I don't know if you want to call it manifesting, but since we started writing
679
00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:57,780
things down, a lot of weird stuff has happened.
680
00:45:57,780 --> 00:46:00,160
I don't know if you want to add to this.
681
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:01,160
Let's call it manifesting.
682
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:02,160
Why not?
683
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:03,520
Oh, well, I don't know.
684
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,560
And this is I don't know if I believe any of this shit.
685
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:06,560
All right.
686
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,320
To be perfectly honest with you, I really don't know.
687
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:14,760
But I am starting to fucking believe it because we literally said, all right, we had our lowest
688
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,520
month in March and I was like, what the fuck is what is going on?
689
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,220
Like what happened?
690
00:46:20,220 --> 00:46:23,680
And we said, no, we just said this is just like this is our 9 11.
691
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:24,680
Never again.
692
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,980
Like we're never going to allow this to happen again.
693
00:46:26,980 --> 00:46:32,660
So we got these whiteboards and we said we're tracking everything and we just started writing
694
00:46:32,660 --> 00:46:33,660
shit down.
695
00:46:33,660 --> 00:46:35,600
OK, this is what we need to do.
696
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:36,600
Let's do it.
697
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:37,860
This thing's going to be the thing.
698
00:46:37,860 --> 00:46:40,120
That thing became the thing.
699
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:41,120
It's the craziest shit.
700
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,520
I don't know if it's vision boarding or whatever.
701
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:44,520
I don't know what it's called.
702
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:48,320
But yeah, I mean, do you do you as an artist, you do anything like that?
703
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:53,000
Do you sit down and just say, OK, I know I have a vision for this, but I need to like
704
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:54,000
I need to put it down on paper.
705
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,480
I need to write it on something.
706
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:58,480
I try.
707
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:03,400
You know, I think like I'm definitely trying to get better about that.
708
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:08,440
And it's one of those things where it's like there.
709
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,880
I think there are there's totally a power to it.
710
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:15,440
Like I do think that it's like.
711
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,640
There's just so much vision.
712
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:24,160
Like you just need so much vision for certain things to happen and like, you know, there's
713
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:30,520
so many people in like the world that I respect so much that do these things that are so unlikely
714
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,520
and so improbable.
715
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,920
And they literally do it because they know it.
716
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,120
Like it's not a question to them.
717
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:43,280
And it's because they either wrote that shit down or they just like spoke about it enough
718
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,440
or they just literally told themselves like this is what's happening.
719
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:52,480
And it's easy to get caught up in like I think.
720
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,040
Being this is kind of a tangent, but I'm going to try to keep it quick.
721
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:56,040
Oh, no, no, go ahead.
722
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:57,040
Go for it.
723
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,040
We are full tangent mode here.
724
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,960
Yeah, given that.
725
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:08,840
The current time of social media, because I just think there is this like weird dopamine
726
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:16,920
effect of like just stating shit or like showing your life a certain way that can actually
727
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:23,360
hold you back in certain ways, because it's almost like instead of doing the thing, it's
728
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,960
like, oh, I posted about it and people liked it.
729
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:31,160
You know, it's like kind of takes this like it makes you feel like, oh, I've done it.
730
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:35,280
Like, you know, it's at the end of the day, like you got to go out and like be meeting
731
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:40,280
people like you can't just post about your music once online and be like, all right,
732
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:46,880
I've done the work, which is like, unfortunately, where a lot of pressure is being put in like
733
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:52,320
emphasis is being put, especially from what I see from other people I know who are signed
734
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:57,040
and stuff, you know, it's all about like, you need to be consistently posting, blah,
735
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:58,040
blah, blah.
736
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:03,840
And it's kind of like, yeah, like, I don't know, I just I just feel like it really takes
737
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:13,240
away an energy from like, what you make and what you put out there and like your literal
738
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:18,640
like brain chemistry low key because like, you see all these likes and you're like, oh,
739
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,520
I'm reaching people.
740
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,680
But it's like, how are you reaching them?
741
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:27,920
Because in reality, like a lot of it is just them scrolling by and like, double tapping
742
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,480
their phone and moving on with their day.
743
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,360
And you know, I'm just like less I'm trying to be less interested in that and less tempted
744
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:36,480
by those things.
745
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:43,680
Like, I rather I'm trying to get to myself to the point where I rather go out and like
746
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:50,880
approach somebody and be weird and be like, hey, yeah, I saw you over there.
747
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:51,880
I make music.
748
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,800
It would be cool if you listen to it, blah, blah, blah, and like have a genuine interaction,
749
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,960
which is, I don't know, this isn't necessarily the writing things down thing, but it's just
750
00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:10,280
like doing a physical act that commits you to where you want to go, you know, and that
751
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:16,280
could be going up to somebody and like, interacting with them and like letting them know what
752
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,800
you do and what you're going to do or like letting them know that you're eventually,
753
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:24,560
yeah, I'm in this project that we're going to play shows this summer.
754
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:28,840
I don't have a show lined up yet, but I do know we're going to play a show.
755
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,440
And so it's like, I just got to take that leap.
756
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:37,480
And so writing it down, I think is like a very easy, acceptable first step to taking
757
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:38,480
that leap.
758
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,640
If that all makes sense, that was kind of a tangent.
759
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:42,640
Yeah, no, no, it's cool.
760
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,880
We, like I said, we are full tangent mode here.
761
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:46,400
We go on tangents all the time.
762
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:50,640
And I probably should have told you this before we started, but you know, we have, you know,
763
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,480
the general questions set up, but it's more like conversational.
764
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:58,120
It's like half questions, half kind of just, you know, going on tangents and, you know,
765
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:03,520
just kind of naturally exploring, you know, you and interacting with us basically.
766
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:09,760
But yeah, we're very, we're very outspoken about how much we hate social media.
767
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,920
We have not cracked that code yet.
768
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:20,400
And it's mind boggling how you, we have this, I guess he's a meme artist, but it's Millennial
769
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:21,400
Frog.
770
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:26,200
It's like our, you know, like our musical guy that's, it's just me that just makes bullshit
771
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,880
and you know, we put it out and pretend like he's somebody.
772
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:38,760
So the one thing that we kind of got inspired, well, at least I got inspired by, it was your
773
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:44,680
video actually that kind of inspired me to say, Hey, what if we take this, you know,
774
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:46,480
a shorter version of something?
775
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,180
Everybody's got this tick tock, you know, 30 seconds or less, right?
776
00:51:49,180 --> 00:51:50,440
This whole mentality now.
777
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:54,060
So it's like, Hey, if you don't tell me what I want to hear and get the message across
778
00:51:54,060 --> 00:51:57,040
in 30 seconds, I'm just flipping by this.
779
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:02,080
So I just said, you know what, I'm going to do an experiment and I'm going to make an
780
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:07,000
album that's every song is 35 seconds or between 30 and 35 seconds.
781
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:11,120
And it, you know, I thought it was, it was pretty good, but man, I'm in like a blood
782
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:16,720
feud with CD Baby because they, they, they pissed me off because they kept telling me,
783
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:19,760
they kept flagging it saying, Oh, these songs are too short.
784
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:24,200
They they're, what is it, the part of a larger composition.
785
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,800
And I'm like, no, they're not the show me the composition.
786
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:27,800
Right.
787
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,700
And it took like an extra, like three weeks to get the thing out.
788
00:52:30,700 --> 00:52:33,400
And I'm like, you guys are just, just fucking my schedule up.
789
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:37,480
So I, yeah, I have a blood feud with them going on right now, but yeah, social media
790
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:43,040
is the worst and I don't know what the, cause there is a way that this is going to affect,
791
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,080
you know, not just the music industry, but entertainment in general.
792
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,720
I feel like it's going to eventually evolve into something.
793
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:53,520
I don't know what that is, what the future holds obviously, but there's, there's gotta
794
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:54,640
be something there.
795
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:59,080
That's the next iteration of whatever music's going to be right.
796
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:04,160
Or whatever the, the art's going to be for sure.
797
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:12,520
So yeah, I mean, yeah, all that shit's about to be crazy, but for me, like also obviously
798
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:18,480
social media is what may, a lot of it is what makes like being independent and making music
799
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:19,600
now possible.
800
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:26,520
So I totally understand that it's like also a tool and like, you can't fully just like
801
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:27,920
walk away from it.
802
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:33,780
But to me, it's mostly like the problem I have is that like, it's now been flipped on
803
00:53:33,780 --> 00:53:40,320
its back or it's like, it used to be, Oh, I make music, come to my show, da da da.
804
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:41,320
Okay.
805
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:42,320
You're at my show.
806
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:43,320
Great.
807
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:44,760
Now that you're here, you should go follow me.
808
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:48,920
So you know what else I'm up to type thing versus, and like you already you're aware
809
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,920
if you've bought the CD or you're on iTunes, you're whatever.
810
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,800
Obviously that shit's all outdated and that's fine.
811
00:53:55,800 --> 00:54:02,080
But yeah, now that it's like the forefront's like, Oh, you want to play a show?
812
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:03,920
How many followers do you have?
813
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:04,920
It's like, what?
814
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,640
You know, like how many likes did you get?
815
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,160
And then our venue will maybe let you play a show here.
816
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:12,160
Yeah.
817
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:13,200
That's insane.
818
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,600
It is because the craziest thing you could look at that, right?
819
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,560
You could look at, Oh, somebody's getting 25,000 likes.
820
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:23,840
And the thing that we've kind of figured out kind of a little bit is it's like a rule of
821
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:24,840
10%.
822
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,480
If you're getting 25,000 views, you're getting 10% of that in likes.
823
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:33,000
And if you're getting whatever that number of likes is, you're getting that in, in actual
824
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,840
whatever downloads or streams, you know, coming back to you.
825
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:38,800
And really it's actually even less than that.
826
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,860
It's probably like around 1% is really what it is.
827
00:54:41,860 --> 00:54:46,120
And it's so crazy that yeah, 25,000 people could see some, some, see your posts, but
828
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,720
then out of that 25,000, Oh, what?
829
00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:50,880
Nine of you decided to follow.
830
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:51,880
How is that?
831
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:52,880
How is that even possible?
832
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,200
It's just, it's insane.
833
00:54:55,200 --> 00:55:00,880
And then like, you know, venues using that metric, Oh yeah, you've got whatever, 50,000
834
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,600
followers, but I've looked at people that are, you know, that we consider kind of like
835
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,720
our competition, I guess, for lack of a better term.
836
00:55:07,720 --> 00:55:11,080
And you know, you look at their stuff and sure they've got, you know, 10, 20, 30,000
837
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:16,520
followers, but their views or their audience engagement is essentially worse than ours.
838
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:22,200
And you know, we have what, like 45 followers or something on, on Instagram and you know,
839
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:26,440
we're getting thousands of views per post when, you know, we're getting com a lot of
840
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,320
comments engagements.
841
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,840
So it's funny to see how, Oh, that's the thing.
842
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:34,620
They look at that number, but it really actually now, I don't feel like it means anything.
843
00:55:34,620 --> 00:55:39,000
Anybody could get that number if you pay enough money to have one of those services, you know,
844
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,400
bot follow you or whatever.
845
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,000
Yeah.
846
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:47,400
And I think that is, we're now reaching another turning point for that.
847
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:55,120
Like I think the gig is kind of up and people are realizing like, Oh, like, okay, like now
848
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:56,760
we can't just go off of this.
849
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:01,720
And I feel like a lot of people are scrambling to like find that in between, but through
850
00:56:01,720 --> 00:56:07,640
all of it, like through all that at the end of the day, good people who people who do
851
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:14,360
stuff because they care about it and put the time in like, and like good art and good,
852
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,760
whatever is going to win like every time.
853
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:23,400
Like, you know, so yeah, it's obviously a funny thing, but going back to the whiteboard
854
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:28,160
thing and writing things down, like that's really where it all starts.
855
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:32,800
And like, I think that's a great way to keep yourself accountable and just put it out there
856
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:39,680
because yeah, it can seem outlandish, but like you are the only one who's no one else
857
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,720
is going to say like, yeah, you're going to do that.
858
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:44,240
Why would someone say that?
859
00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:47,400
So like you have to say it yourself.
860
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:48,400
Yeah, exactly.
861
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:52,600
And yeah, we're in, we're kind of different in the fact that, you know, we're very transparent
862
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:57,400
with with our, our numbers and what we do and how well we're doing or how poor we're
863
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:58,400
doing.
864
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:03,400
So it's funny to see, yeah, you know, we're, we're putting in the work, right?
865
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:07,560
We're getting down and dirty and we're, we're doing more work than I guarantee anybody else
866
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:11,920
that's doing similar stuff to what we're doing.
867
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:17,320
And it's just funny to see every, some other people figure out the code and then they don't
868
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:21,320
and hey, we, we sat there, maybe we cracked the code now with this whiteboard thing and
869
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:26,480
maybe this is the new glitch in the matrix that we found that makes shit come true or
870
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:27,480
whatever, you know?
871
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:31,160
It's specifically only that whiteboard though.
872
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:32,160
Yeah.
873
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:33,160
Oh, a hundred percent.
874
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:38,880
Imagine like the plot in which you guys have this actual whiteboard that's doing something.
875
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:47,120
It's in the perfect position in like, you know, whatever the magnetic field and now
876
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,760
you're actually like have a magic whiteboard.
877
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,400
It's a literal magical whiteboard.
878
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:52,720
Oh man, I hope that's true.
879
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:54,880
You know, that'd be a great movie or a little short.
880
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:55,880
That'd be a great one.
881
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,480
Yeah, you guys should do that.
882
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:02,280
Or somebody else hijacks your whiteboard and you're going to have to like chase them down
883
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:03,280
to get it.
884
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:04,280
Oh yeah.
885
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,960
Do a cross country adventure, you know, to get the magic whiteboard back.
886
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:08,960
Exactly.
887
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:16,240
What, what, uh, so what would you like to accomplish with AKBK now that we're talking
888
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:17,720
about the subject for whiteboarding?
889
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:24,080
Like what is it that you would like to manifest with this project?
890
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:33,200
I mean, obviously there's like so many different ways to answer that.
891
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:40,320
To your point earlier about like the music being cinematic and like you seeing it as
892
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:47,520
placements like in a career sense, like I would love for those things to happen.
893
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,960
And like, those are some things that I am trying to like work out.
894
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:59,760
And I want for Caleb and I, like, I just know that we would also be good at writing for
895
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:00,960
those things as well.
896
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:05,760
In addition to this project, whether it's like songs from this project get placed or
897
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,040
we get briefs and then we write for those things specifically.
898
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:16,400
Like that's kind of a separate interest that's tied into what we're already doing, luckily.
899
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:22,320
So it's like, hopefully we reach the right people and like, it just goes how it's meant
900
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:23,320
to go.
901
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:26,440
And those things happen for us.
902
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:31,560
Other than that though, that's more of just like, oh cool, maybe we could make a little
903
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:36,560
bit of money so we can sustain and, you know, keep investing in the project and afford the
904
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,520
live gear and afford to do this and that.
905
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:45,640
And like, you know, that's kind of where that thought, my logical side of my brain goes.
906
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:54,040
But beyond that, also in the logical answer, I really, really would love to go on a tour
907
00:59:54,040 --> 01:00:02,520
this fall or sometime after this fall, just opening for an artist that I appreciate.
908
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:08,200
I've never been on a tour and that's just like, for me, like that's the immediate dream.
909
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,560
Like I just want to do that so bad.
910
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:15,520
And I just want to be able to like, travel and connect with people through the music and
911
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,960
share like a really good live show with people.
912
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,640
So I just feel like that's lacking a little bit.
913
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:24,440
I mean, I also could just be like missing it.
914
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:29,360
And I luckily got to grow up in like so much of that energy that I could just be out of
915
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:30,360
the loop.
916
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,160
So I'm not saying it's not out there.
917
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:40,960
But I like definitely want to be somebody who's contributing to that aspect of like
918
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:45,200
being outside and like connecting with people.
919
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:50,760
Other than the touring and live shows and making good music.
920
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:59,680
Yeah, I just really would like to make work that's beneficial for people like sorting
921
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:07,160
through things and like gives people a safe space to feel what they have to feel and to
922
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:08,160
be vulnerable.
923
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:12,560
Like it's easy to be like, oh, it's just music.
924
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:14,320
It's just music or any art.
925
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:15,320
It's just film.
926
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:16,320
It's just this.
927
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:22,080
But I think especially music, obviously I'm biased, but especially music.
928
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:29,720
Like the reason why it is what it is is because artists are willing to go somewhere.
929
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:37,560
Good artists are willing to go somewhere and like show that wound to the world.
930
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:46,680
And then when people see that it gives those emotions that they usually don't let themselves
931
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:48,440
connect with one for one reason or another.
932
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:52,280
Like obviously feeling shit can just kind of suck.
933
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:59,080
So like I don't blame people for like trying to, or either trying to or just passively
934
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:02,480
becoming a little calloused over time.
935
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:07,960
And yeah, music is just like a really special place and hopefully a safe place for people
936
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:14,120
to soften and like either feel immense joy or feel pain or feel whatever they got to
937
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:15,720
feel.
938
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:20,320
I think live shows once again are just like such a special place that when you see an
939
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:27,200
artist do that well and be able to translate that vulnerability that if they put into a
940
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:34,320
record into a live show, it's just like, you just feel like the presentness of a moment.
941
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:42,600
And I really am trying to like build spaces that make me more present and then allow other
942
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,800
people to be more present.
943
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:53,240
I feel like I have somebody in mind of like who, if you were to play with somebody, I'm
944
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:56,080
going to make a mental note and I'll tell you that name afterwards.
945
01:02:56,080 --> 01:03:03,680
But actually, I'll tell you now, there's this artist named Dejan Gatita and she's from here
946
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:05,360
locally.
947
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:17,880
And she recently played with Cheek Face, but I think just hearing you talk and just knowing
948
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:22,120
about your music, I think both of you would make a great bill.
949
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:26,640
I'm trying to think of other names, but I'll have to email you or DM you about some other
950
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:30,320
names that you could potentially like get on a bill with.
951
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:35,640
Because I think there are people out there that would pair nicely with you.
952
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:37,560
Hell yeah, I would love that.
953
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:43,040
Because I also just am so new to the LA scene that I'm like really trying to get my feet
954
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:44,040
wet right now.
955
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:52,440
But obviously, it's just a lot to like figure out what's going on where and also like tickets
956
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:57,560
out here can sometimes be like kind of taxing where it's like, dang, am I going to drive
957
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:03,840
all the way over there and pay like $35 for this ticket for like someone that I don't
958
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:05,560
know anything about?
959
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:07,880
It's hard to do that night after night after night.
960
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:14,800
So any tips you have or any people you know, I'd love to look into their projects because
961
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:16,960
that's super exciting to me.
962
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:22,800
Yeah, and there was actually somebody just perusing around on your profile.
963
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:30,160
Somebody that I really love that is from here locally, a name, an artist named St. Panther.
964
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:33,080
They actually commented on your profile.
965
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:40,320
Have you spoken to them at all or or had a connection with them at all?
966
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,200
No, I know who you're talking about.
967
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,640
They're super rad.
968
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:47,680
I didn't even know they were from around here.
969
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:49,080
But that's cool.
970
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:53,280
I once made there was this one song they put out.
971
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:57,520
I think it was with someone else that I can't think of at this moment.
972
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:05,360
But I think the song was called Real Magic.
973
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:11,080
Edit of like some camcorder footage of my friends to that song because I just that's
974
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:16,360
one of those songs that you just hear and you instantly like patch such a crazy feeling
975
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,480
from and like that song just made me feel so much gratitude.
976
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:23,720
So I just made a little edit with that song and they ended up commenting on that video
977
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:26,920
because I tagged them in it.
978
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:32,880
But yeah, I think I've like DM them in response to their stories in the past before and they
979
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:36,760
they've like, you know, said a word back or whatever, but nothing crazy.
980
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:42,200
Like I've never spoken to them about making music or anything, but it would be sick to
981
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:45,520
talk to them like they're so so.
982
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:48,840
Yeah, they St. Panther.
983
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:54,920
So there's this thing called Scenario 808 that happens at the Regent Theatre and they've
984
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:58,320
kind of become like a frequent figure there.
985
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:04,400
And I mean, they're a producer and everything and they make great music.
986
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:07,400
It's like R&B, kind of like Anderson Paak type of stuff.
987
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:12,720
But yeah, she's she she's pretty rad.
988
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:16,840
And I've met her a couple of times and that was actually the first place that I had met
989
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:17,840
her.
990
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:22,000
And when I saw her name in your comments, I'm like, oh, interesting.
991
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:28,080
So she there is I was I was always trying to find out if there was a you know, if you
992
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:31,520
if you started to build a community of people here locally.
993
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:33,040
And that was one of the names that I had saw.
994
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:37,740
And there's actually a record label that follows you field trip records.
995
01:06:37,740 --> 01:06:43,720
That is a record label that features Pearl and the Oysters that recently moved to Los
996
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,400
Angeles to another group called Pixel Grip.
997
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,240
And they make like goth club music.
998
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:51,860
But their their roster is really awesome and they follow you.
999
01:06:51,860 --> 01:06:54,600
So what do you what do you got to say about that?
1000
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:56,520
Hey, I'll take it.
1001
01:06:56,520 --> 01:07:00,840
I mean, I don't know how or why I don't take it.
1002
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:04,480
I need to look into that because I didn't even know that.
1003
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:08,640
I'm you know more about my page than I do, man.
1004
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:10,760
I'll tell you this.
1005
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:14,760
When you when you when you have a good time with the guys at GameRage magazine, you get
1006
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:19,280
CIA level intelligence about your own your own self, right?
1007
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:20,280
Like we do the work.
1008
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:21,280
All right.
1009
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:22,800
We get the info.
1010
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:24,280
I'm seeing that now.
1011
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:27,440
I'm like, dang, wait, what were they called?
1012
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:28,440
The record?
1013
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:30,440
What was the record?
1014
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,400
Oh, the field trip record.
1015
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:36,120
Yeah, they're from Chicago.
1016
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:37,120
They're really dope.
1017
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:42,200
Like I would consider them on the coolness level of like sub pop when they started.
1018
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:47,480
So if you got their attention on my shit, you got to be the shit.
1019
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:48,480
Let's go.
1020
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:49,480
Oh, yeah.
1021
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:56,040
This is what happens when you're trying to avoid social media.
1022
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:58,960
You're missing all these gems, apparently.
1023
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:00,480
Yeah.
1024
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:04,460
So I think I'll have a few more questions I wanted to ask.
1025
01:08:04,460 --> 01:08:10,560
So when you specifically about your music, when you write hooks, do you do that intentionally
1026
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:17,760
or do you make those and think I think people would like this?
1027
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:19,600
Or is it just innately what comes out of you?
1028
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:26,520
Because I'm kind of curious about that specifically because you make them so you make them so
1029
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:28,720
extraordinary.
1030
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:29,720
Thank you.
1031
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:37,920
I wish I could say I like was doing that with the thought of other people will like this.
1032
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:43,720
You know, I mean, I wish I had more of like, oh, I'm going to I'm just going to write a
1033
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:44,720
fire hook.
1034
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:53,080
But really, it's just me like just going into the mic and seeing whatever I feel.
1035
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:57,200
And so usually we're doing just like a I hear it in my head and I'm like, okay, can I try
1036
01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:02,680
something and I hop in the booth or wherever the mic is and I just like lay down some sort
1037
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:09,920
of scratch and sometimes the words come out as they pretty much end up being on the song
1038
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:19,200
or I'll just kind of, you know, murmur random words that aren't real into like the melody.
1039
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:26,400
But yeah, usually it's honestly just kind of off the top of my head, which I'm trying
1040
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:34,960
to get better about, like I'm trying to be able to also like push past those first ramblings
1041
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:41,040
and like be like, OK, what if I wanted to, you know, write something else than just what
1042
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:42,320
comes off the top of my head?
1043
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:46,320
But so far, you know, I was coming off the top of my head has been working.
1044
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:47,320
Oh, yeah.
1045
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:50,440
I'm not going to overthink it too much.
1046
01:09:50,440 --> 01:09:57,440
Yeah, I think I think coming from a place of like an intuitiveness or intuition is I
1047
01:09:57,440 --> 01:10:00,880
think it's definitely like working in your favor because I mean, fuck what everybody
1048
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:01,880
else thinks.
1049
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:04,400
You're doing an amazing job with your music just by itself.
1050
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:09,400
So yeah, I was just really curious about when you write hooks and all that stuff.
1051
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:18,800
So one thing I wanted to ask you about is fashion seems to play a part in your music
1052
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:22,240
video and possibly in your own life.
1053
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:24,240
So what?
1054
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:29,440
Let me just find the question real quick.
1055
01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:37,340
What elements of film translate to your music and possibly, you know, what what what elements
1056
01:10:37,340 --> 01:10:42,080
of fashion apply to film and, you know, those any number of those combinations, how have
1057
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:48,400
you translated those things into whatever you're creating or however you present yourself?
1058
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:57,280
I mean, I grew up with a pretty kooky fashion sense.
1059
01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:01,440
Like I was definitely a scene kid for a minute there.
1060
01:11:01,440 --> 01:11:08,640
I had bright red hair for a very long time, wore very, very tight skinny jeans that were
1061
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:16,200
like plaid red and would stack my belts and all that, you know, all that fun stuff from
1062
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,360
that era.
1063
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:24,040
And so, yeah, I mean, naturally that's kind of like what made sense to present myself
1064
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:26,480
as because, you know, we were in a band.
1065
01:11:26,480 --> 01:11:30,560
I also was the drummer in the first band, so I was all the way in the back.
1066
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:37,280
So I just like, liked being able to, you know, have my own style to kind of stand out while
1067
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:41,040
I was drumming, which is kind of a funny thing to think of.
1068
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:44,360
But you know, I was a seventh grader.
1069
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:48,120
I guess it makes sense.
1070
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:54,360
But yeah, so since then, like, once again, when I stopped making music, like then I just
1071
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:57,280
stopped caring about like how I was dressing and shit.
1072
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:02,680
Like I just didn't have any like real desire to put in.
1073
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:04,600
I don't know, I just didn't feel inspired.
1074
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:08,600
So that also was a funny time.
1075
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:16,760
But since making music again and like tapping back in also with that younger self, I just
1076
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:23,200
think it equips you to like walk in the world how like you want to.
1077
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:29,080
I don't know how exactly to put it into words, but obviously fashion is just how you present
1078
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:33,680
yourself and style is how you present yourself and how like the world first interacts with
1079
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:34,680
you.
1080
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:35,680
It's kind of like a first impression.
1081
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:44,400
So I really like, I like doing things that people aren't used to seeing like often.
1082
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:47,880
Like I'm not saying I'm reinventing any fashion choices at all.
1083
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:53,000
But you know, when you're walking around a suburb and you're dressed a certain way, like
1084
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:56,360
people aren't necessarily always used to seeing that.
1085
01:12:56,360 --> 01:13:01,080
And I just feel like it gives you like a certain, it's almost like a superpower.
1086
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:03,120
You know, you're just ready to take on the world.
1087
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:08,600
It's like, man, I've already decided by wearing this today and stepping out that I actually
1088
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:10,940
don't care what you think of me.
1089
01:13:10,940 --> 01:13:14,560
So that's why fashion is important.
1090
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:20,880
And yeah, I think like you see those and like those decisions being made by like characters
1091
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:28,040
and films growing up and like all of that translates, they all like definitely fold
1092
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:31,320
into each other.
1093
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:33,840
I'm like thinking about it as I'm talking.
1094
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,360
So I'm kind of like, yeah, that's interesting.
1095
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:41,720
Yeah, because one of the things that comes to mind for me is how within your music video
1096
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:47,300
for we said we wouldn't do this is like how much main character energy present because
1097
01:13:47,300 --> 01:13:53,480
you had these at least from what I remember, there were yellow boots or yellow high top
1098
01:13:53,480 --> 01:13:54,480
shoes.
1099
01:13:54,480 --> 01:13:59,320
I was like, oh, holy shit, that that just like it just puts you in the foreground.
1100
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:05,280
And it's I don't know, it just made you I think that's like one of the things that I
1101
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:12,160
remember seeing within the first like 15 seconds of the of the real or you know, whatever amount
1102
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:17,000
of time I ended up absorbing your your music video.
1103
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:21,640
And what could you tell us about the experience of the music video from like, you know, recording
1104
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:27,640
on a bus or subway or whatever it was to, you know, possible location scouting?
1105
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:29,920
How much of that was just done by you?
1106
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:36,560
OK, well, first of all, the fact you're talking about these boots is crazy because those are
1107
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:37,560
my lucky boots.
1108
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:42,840
I go through phases where I wear them like almost every day.
1109
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:43,840
What else I'm wearing?
1110
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:45,600
Like, it does not matter how much it clashes.
1111
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:46,600
I just wear them.
1112
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:48,880
And I recently took a break from wearing them.
1113
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:53,000
And now that you're bringing them up and that's what stood out to you and low key, that's
1114
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:54,720
why we're having this conversation now.
1115
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:58,000
I'm going to I'm going to sell those boots, man.
1116
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:01,200
I'm like, wow, they probably recharged by now.
1117
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:04,400
Yeah, like you're lucky whiteboard.
1118
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:05,400
Yep.
1119
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:08,720
I got to keep those lucky boots close to me.
1120
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:10,880
I need that in my life right now.
1121
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:17,040
But damn, that really like threw me off of the rest of the question.
1122
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:18,040
The question.
1123
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:19,040
Oh, yeah.
1124
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:20,040
Yeah.
1125
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:22,640
Just about the if you could just talk about your video.
1126
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:23,640
Right.
1127
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:24,640
Yeah.
1128
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:29,720
That was super just running gun.
1129
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:30,720
Figure it out in the moment.
1130
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:38,040
Like I originally was going to put out why first as the first single.
1131
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:39,840
And it was the first song we wrote.
1132
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:43,440
It was just kind of what I always thought would come out first.
1133
01:15:43,440 --> 01:15:51,860
And born out of why because we were working on one of the guitar parts that is in why.
1134
01:15:51,860 --> 01:15:57,040
And then we were like, oh, we kind of want to fuck up this guitar part a little more.
1135
01:15:57,040 --> 01:16:03,920
And we put this crazy effect on it that just glitched it out so crazy.
1136
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:08,720
And that's the thing that's in the very end of the song.
1137
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:15,840
It's like, I don't even know how you could like describe the sound, but.
1138
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:22,560
Crazy and warbly at the same time, but yeah, I mean, if you listen to the song, you'll
1139
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:26,800
probably be able to like pick out which guitar part it is, but it doesn't even sound like
1140
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:27,800
a guitar.
1141
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:30,800
Anyways, that came from why.
1142
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:36,160
So we were working on why we put that effect on something or like, whoa, this sounds super
1143
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:37,160
unhinged.
1144
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:41,440
And we're like, maybe we should just start like a whole other song real quick.
1145
01:16:41,440 --> 01:16:43,440
Let's just go on a tangent.
1146
01:16:43,440 --> 01:16:48,240
So we pulled that sound to the end of the session, made space to just start another
1147
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:49,520
track.
1148
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:51,520
And then we wrote, we said we wouldn't do this.
1149
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:54,960
And the reason why it's called we said we wouldn't do this is because we just wanted
1150
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:59,120
to finish why and we kept accidentally like writing new songs every time we would have
1151
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:00,760
a session.
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01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:05,360
And so when before we went into that session, we were just like, all right, we're sitting
1153
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:09,400
down, we're finishing why we're not touching anything else.
1154
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:12,580
We're not picking up any instruments, da da da.
1155
01:17:12,580 --> 01:17:15,440
And then we ended up like doing we said we wouldn't do this.
1156
01:17:15,440 --> 01:17:17,920
And we're like, fuck, we said we weren't going to do this.
1157
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:20,160
Here we are writing another song.
1158
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:25,400
And that's kind of why this song is also short initially, is we were just kind of like, we're
1159
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:29,400
going to give ourselves 30 minutes to work on this idea.
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01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:33,000
And then we're pencils down, we have to like finish this thing that we set the intention
1161
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:34,360
to finish.
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01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:38,760
So we just quickly like pieced it together.
1163
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:43,560
I hopped in the booth and like, saying all those parts pretty much off the top of my
1164
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:45,040
head.
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01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:48,960
And we just thought I would go back and rewrite them like really, oh, yeah, I'm just probably
1166
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:53,600
going to rewrite a lot of this.
1167
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:58,120
I just like also stuck out to me is like, something that was I don't know, there was
1168
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:00,520
just something in it that I was like, Whoa, I really like this.
1169
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:02,800
And it's not what I expected.
1170
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:05,800
And as time went on, I was like, Okay, I kind of think this is done.
1171
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:07,960
Like, I don't know what else we'd add to it.
1172
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:12,080
Like it kind of feels like it does exactly what it's meant to do.
1173
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:19,440
So yeah, long story short, was going to put out why first, then the person who's going
1174
01:18:19,440 --> 01:18:26,920
to play bass in the band as my friend from growing up, Cecile, who was also in that first
1175
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:28,880
band I was ever in.
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01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:31,000
And she's a bass player.
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01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:37,680
And she's actually currently moving to LA to, you know, play this summer and stay out
1178
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:41,880
here and work on music, which is seriously so crazy, because we've known each other since
1179
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:42,880
kindergarten.
1180
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:43,880
Oh, wow.
1181
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:44,880
Yeah.
1182
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:48,560
So she's the person in the music video with me.
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01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:52,000
And she came out because I was like, Oh, let's just shoot a video for why like you should
1184
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:55,880
come and we'll just do some sort of video for why.
1185
01:18:55,880 --> 01:19:01,080
So she came out here and we were in the studio working on something else.
1186
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:03,440
And we were talking about the live show getting ready for the live show.
1187
01:19:03,440 --> 01:19:06,800
I was like, Yeah, so I think we for the live show, we'd start with why and that's the song
1188
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:08,440
that's coming out next.
1189
01:19:08,440 --> 01:19:09,440
And she's like, Oh, really?
1190
01:19:09,440 --> 01:19:14,480
Like, I always thought we would start the live show.
1191
01:19:14,480 --> 01:19:17,440
And I was like, Whoa, like, that's so crazy.
1192
01:19:17,440 --> 01:19:19,320
Like, what a crazy choice.
1193
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:22,200
Like, that's a crazy choice to have that go first.
1194
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:26,040
And I was just like, Damn, like, imagine if we put that song out first.
1195
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:33,720
Like, that's crazy, because like, it is so short and random and like, you know, specific
1196
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:35,360
that I'm like, that's kind of sick.
1197
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:41,080
Like, okay, and then just completely rerouted how I saw the songs and like, how you're going
1198
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:42,080
to release them.
1199
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:44,000
So I was like, Okay, bet.
1200
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:45,480
And then she was saying some stories.
1201
01:19:45,480 --> 01:19:52,320
She was like, Yeah, you know, when you first sent me, we said we wouldn't do this.
1202
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:56,280
She's like, you know, I also just been starting to think about the idea of moving out here
1203
01:19:56,280 --> 01:20:00,200
and I really wanted to be out here and like, I just really feel like we can do this, you
1204
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:01,200
know.
1205
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:05,120
And she's like, but I was sitting on the subway going to work and she was working like,
1206
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:08,520
some sort of office job at the time.
1207
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:15,360
So she was like, I was in my office clothes and I was on the like, subway in Chicago.
1208
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:18,560
And she was just like, I had this song like blasting in my headphones.
1209
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:24,760
She's like, it just felt like so contradictory with the environment I was in having, like
1210
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:26,520
we said, we wouldn't do this play through the headphones.
1211
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:30,280
And I was like, dude, that is so sick.
1212
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:33,440
Like, we should just do a video that's kind of like that.
1213
01:20:33,440 --> 01:20:41,280
So then hit up my friend Josh, who's a super talented camera operator and like, I don't
1214
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:42,280
Ronin tech.
1215
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:48,480
I don't know if you know Ronin's, but they're kind of like these gimbals for cameras.
1216
01:20:48,480 --> 01:20:56,320
So he's like a professional in the industry for film, but he's a good, very good friend
1217
01:20:56,320 --> 01:21:00,800
of mine and is super down to just running gun and just try stuff.
1218
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:03,600
So I hit him up and I was like, Hey, do you want to do this?
1219
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:06,440
And he was like, yeah, let's go.
1220
01:21:06,440 --> 01:21:07,440
And he's like, what's the idea?
1221
01:21:07,440 --> 01:21:12,320
I'm like, I don't really know, but like, let's just go to the Metro in North Hollywood and
1222
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:13,320
see what happens.
1223
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:17,880
And I was like, okay, we know the vibe, like we know how we're going to dress.
1224
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:22,520
And I think we're just going to listen to this song and maybe that's just it.
1225
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:26,600
Like we just go on the subway and we put on headphones and listen.
1226
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:33,080
And then yeah, as we went and did it, I like, just started like connecting the dots of like,
1227
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:40,880
oh, this is actually like a story of, cause the ending of the song, sorry, this is kind
1228
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:47,680
of, I'm jumping around, but the ending of the song, you can hear me.
1229
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:55,940
This is like, um, I wish I had told you sooner or something, all these like different little
1230
01:21:55,940 --> 01:21:58,440
audio bites.
1231
01:21:58,440 --> 01:22:06,080
And the reason I put all that there is because the ending of the song to me feels like, just
1232
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:10,200
like when you're at your limit and you like, just want to burst, you know, like you just
1233
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:13,280
want to tell someone the thing so bad.
1234
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:18,240
Like it's every feeling at once either like you've been building up cause like you're
1235
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:22,760
upset with them or, oh, I wish I could just like work up the courage to tell you how much
1236
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:24,920
I love you and care about you.
1237
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:31,520
For all these things, sometimes those feelings can just feel so intense or like not socially
1238
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:33,840
normal in the moment.
1239
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:38,040
At least for me, like I'm kind of the person who just like, I'm hanging out with our friends
1240
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:41,760
and I'll just like burst into tears cause I'm like desperately just trying to tell them
1241
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:44,320
that like I appreciate them and care about them.
1242
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:47,480
But for whatever reason, that's like super hard for me to do sometimes.
1243
01:22:47,480 --> 01:22:50,380
So yeah, that's kind of the feeling at the end of the song.
1244
01:22:50,380 --> 01:22:55,920
So as we're on the subway, I'm like, this should be the moment about like taking the
1245
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:59,400
risk and like putting yourself out there.
1246
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:03,840
And so, cause you don't know what's going to happen from such a simple choice.
1247
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:07,960
So I'm like, what if you go up to somebody on a subway and like you saw a stranger that
1248
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:12,880
you just thought their style was cool or whatever and you handed them your headphone to listen
1249
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:14,320
to music with you?
1250
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:19,520
Like yeah, you would look kind of fucking crazy, but like also you could end up having
1251
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:22,040
like the most beautiful friendship from that.
1252
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:26,500
So that's why like it ends up intercutting with all like these different moments of us
1253
01:23:26,500 --> 01:23:28,320
laughing and like whatever.
1254
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:33,240
The idea is to kind of show like, this is what could happen if you take that risk.
1255
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:37,400
I don't know if that like detail presents itself by watching it, but that was kind of
1256
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:44,040
the intention that was built as we were in the subway and it worked out.
1257
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:45,040
This is so cool.
1258
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:49,800
We just got the Lord drop of the music video and the song itself all in one go.
1259
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:52,440
So I fucking love that.
1260
01:23:52,440 --> 01:24:02,760
And you weren't attacked by like any homeless people while you were on the subway.
1261
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:03,760
Cause there's a lot of crowd going.
1262
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:10,080
No, and the subway was the first, I think the very first day we decided to go, we literally
1263
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:12,760
chose the worst time and went during like rush hour.
1264
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:13,760
Okay.
1265
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:18,440
And we were just so packed that we're like, we ended up bailing because we're like, this
1266
01:24:18,440 --> 01:24:19,640
is just dumb.
1267
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:22,240
Like we are in the way.
1268
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:24,120
Like people are just trying to like get home.
1269
01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:28,960
Like, you know, like they're just tired from work and like they're looking over at the
1270
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:29,960
camera.
1271
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:33,320
So like the shots like feel really awkward because you just have all these like bystanders
1272
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:35,520
just looking over at the camera.
1273
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:36,520
Like what is that thing?
1274
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:41,960
Because it was kind of like this ridiculously large rig that he had to try to keep the camera
1275
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:42,960
steady.
1276
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:47,760
That he just happens to own type thing.
1277
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:49,840
So it's like, it looks so over the top.
1278
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:51,960
So then we ended up bailing that first day.
1279
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:58,320
But yeah, when we went back, we went back in a much less chaotic time and it was super
1280
01:24:58,320 --> 01:24:59,320
chill.
1281
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:04,160
And I was like so surprised that we got lucky with no like workers coming up to us being
1282
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:05,440
like, yo, what are you doing?
1283
01:25:05,440 --> 01:25:11,560
So we just kept riding up the escalator down the escalator up down the escalator, like
1284
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:13,160
over and over and over again.
1285
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:19,320
And I was like, the fact that no one is going up to us right now is seriously so lucky.
1286
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:28,840
But, you know, that's why I also just love being one like coming from a scene that's
1287
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:32,480
super DIY and you know, you just figure it out.
1288
01:25:32,480 --> 01:25:35,280
And like, I love that kind of stuff.
1289
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:38,800
So I seriously had so much fun making that video.
1290
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:46,640
I'm so grateful for Josh and it's just feel for being down to just, you know, be out and
1291
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:49,080
kind of looking ridiculous in public.
1292
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:54,240
But at the end of the day, it worked out.
1293
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:59,840
So I think we're coming towards the end of the interview.
1294
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:05,520
So one thing I wanted to follow up with you about social media was that you had made this
1295
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:10,480
post that you it's one of the posts that you have pinned and it's like this video, but
1296
01:26:10,480 --> 01:26:14,960
it's it's the visuals are handwritten.
1297
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:22,680
And I imagine that's your handwriting and you had written these I took some excerpts
1298
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:27,840
that you had written in the music video or not the music video, but rather the video
1299
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:30,440
says I trust that music will find you.
1300
01:26:30,440 --> 01:26:34,420
I trust that the music will find you if it's meant to.
1301
01:26:34,420 --> 01:26:40,480
And you say I will not compete for your attention the way the capitalist machine has drilled
1302
01:26:40,480 --> 01:26:46,420
in that I should by pumping cheap and solace content into that space.
1303
01:26:46,420 --> 01:26:54,560
Why did you feel it was why did you feel that you had to post this specific post of kind
1304
01:26:54,560 --> 01:27:00,360
of just it felt like a cathartic thing about where you stand as an artist and where you
1305
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:10,200
stand with social media and where were you coming from for that post?
1306
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:20,560
I mean, from a lot of places that we've already started to kind of tackle and then we live
1307
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:29,760
in an attention economy and like specifically Americans, attention is so valuable.
1308
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:37,120
And this all ties into like the writing things down thing, because it's like you're just
1309
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:44,360
taking a second of your time to put your attention into yourself or an idea.
1310
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:45,960
And that's how everything starts.
1311
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:52,200
Like all the people that you look up to have done something great in your mind, simply
1312
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:59,200
thought this is an idea I'm having and it's worth investing that extra few seconds into.
1313
01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:03,800
And then those seconds compile into a lot of time.
1314
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:07,520
And that's where attention becomes so important.
1315
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:16,560
And that's why these digital spaces can produce so much capital.
1316
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:25,000
And that's why they're now being overtaken with ads and sponsorships and so many distractions
1317
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:34,320
is because these different corporations or labels or whatever, they understand how valuable
1318
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:35,320
that is.
1319
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:41,560
And once again, especially in being American or being in the West.
1320
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:49,440
And for me, that post came out of the situation that's happening in Gaza and Palestine.
1321
01:28:49,440 --> 01:29:03,720
And I personally just feel very strongly about that situation and people just needing to
1322
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:09,760
be liberated in that space and how wrong and unjust that situation is.
1323
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:15,840
And to be posting, be in the position I'm in and to just be posting like, oh, hi, I
1324
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:21,240
have a new single coming out and turning my back to that.
1325
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:23,160
It's just not who I am as a person.
1326
01:29:23,160 --> 01:29:25,480
I just can't do it.
1327
01:29:25,480 --> 01:29:32,680
So yeah, I just think as an independent artist, you see all these videos being like, even
1328
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:36,520
I get sponsored ads all the time being like, are you an independent artist?
1329
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:39,400
Do you need to get more streams?
1330
01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:44,080
Go subscribe to my da da da and we'll show you how to do the things that labels would
1331
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:45,080
do for you.
1332
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:48,400
And we're going to show you the timeline and you're going to have to have a pre-release
1333
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:53,480
schedule and you're going to be needing to make this many TikToks a day.
1334
01:29:53,480 --> 01:29:57,840
And it's just like, I just don't want to do that.
1335
01:29:57,840 --> 01:29:59,080
I don't want to do that.
1336
01:29:59,080 --> 01:30:04,080
And at first I felt a lot of guilt from saying, oh, I don't want to do that because I was
1337
01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:06,160
scared to admit that and say that out loud.
1338
01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:09,320
So I'm like, oh my gosh, a label is going to think that I don't want to put in the work
1339
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:11,000
or I'm some sort of diva.
1340
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:12,000
But it's not that.
1341
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:16,320
It's like the people who follow me, I genuinely value their time.
1342
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:19,480
And I also understand how important their attention is.
1343
01:30:19,480 --> 01:30:27,160
So it's like, I'm not going to treat everyone in the space because that's not what it's
1344
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:30,280
about and that's not community.
1345
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:33,680
The reason why people are so willing to do that from these other spaces is because they
1346
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:36,840
don't care about whose time they're taking away from.
1347
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:44,320
So they're super, they just throw poor content into the space, just hoping that something
1348
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:46,600
catches.
1349
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:51,560
And yeah, I just feel really like passionate about the people that I'm around and the people
1350
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:58,120
who've backed me in the community I've had so far and the friends I've had so far.
1351
01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:04,480
And just genuinely like people, I just care about people and I care about their time and
1352
01:31:04,480 --> 01:31:08,720
their growth and where they put it because I know how valuable that is.
1353
01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:14,680
And I don't think the world wants most people to know that because for a lot of reasons.
1354
01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:17,680
So yeah, that's kind of where that came from.
1355
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:23,160
I just wanted to really set the precedent of like, I didn't want someone to go to my
1356
01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:33,120
page, whether it be a fan or a stranger or someone I knew or even people in the industry,
1357
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:37,880
especially because I feel like that's where a lot of people come in and they're like,
1358
01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:39,680
well, we saw that you don't do this.
1359
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:41,840
So we don't think you're very serious.
1360
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:47,040
And it's like, no, I'm going to actually take the time to like, let you know that this is
1361
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:49,320
very intentional.
1362
01:31:49,320 --> 01:31:53,600
And maybe you're not going to like the reason I'm doing it.
1363
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:57,560
And like maybe this and that, but it's like coming from an intentional space because I
1364
01:31:57,560 --> 01:32:05,000
don't want anybody, my intention, you know, I don't want people to be like, oh, well,
1365
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:10,040
they're just not posting that much because they're lazy or oh, they just aren't taking
1366
01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:12,680
this seriously or they're an amateur or whatever.
1367
01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:22,320
It's like, you know, I think in the beginning, I kind of was scared to make, to seem certain
1368
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:27,480
ways to people like, oh, what if I, I seem like an amateur, I seem indecisive.
1369
01:32:27,480 --> 01:32:31,760
And it's like, no, I'm just, whenever I feel these things now, I'm just going to let people
1370
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:40,280
know like, if from being on the internet for the reasons we've spoken about on this podcast
1371
01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:44,840
of like, you know, it's just taking too much of my time and I need to be investing.
1372
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:49,920
I'm in a point where now I need to invest that time in to finish these songs so that
1373
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:53,480
I can finish them and put them out and then promote them.
1374
01:32:53,480 --> 01:33:01,760
Like I should be able to state that on that page and move on and like then have trust
1375
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:07,200
in the people who are following me that they're going to respect that and be like, okay, cool.
1376
01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:13,480
We see that we respect it and like, but obviously once again, like that's not not how everyone
1377
01:33:13,480 --> 01:33:15,760
perceives music.
1378
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:19,660
Some people perceive it as entertainment and they're like, I follow you, you owe me this
1379
01:33:19,660 --> 01:33:21,520
thing.
1380
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:24,120
And that's if you feel that way, that's fine.
1381
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:27,380
But it's just like, I'm trying to set the precedent that that's not what you're going
1382
01:33:27,380 --> 01:33:33,160
to get from being a part of like what I'm trying to do, if that makes sense.
1383
01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:35,320
Yeah, no, that makes perfect sense.
1384
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:40,760
And it's the, I don't know, it's this old saying of, you know, hey, I make my art for
1385
01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:44,360
not for people who don't get it, but I make it for the people that do.
1386
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:49,640
And it's that when I saw that thing on your, cause I saw the thing also that Adam's talking
1387
01:33:49,640 --> 01:33:52,760
about with the, you know, the handwriting and stuff.
1388
01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:56,120
And I, when I saw that, I said, oh man, this is a real one right here.
1389
01:33:56,120 --> 01:33:58,560
This is, this is, this is real.
1390
01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:06,640
This isn't this corporate meritocracy bullshit, you know, they're serious about this.
1391
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:11,740
And that's what sucks is people in the industry would look at that and say, oh, they're not,
1392
01:34:11,740 --> 01:34:13,000
like you said, they're not serious.
1393
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:15,380
They're not, they're not about this life.
1394
01:34:15,380 --> 01:34:16,840
They're not ready.
1395
01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:20,560
But it's just saying, Hey, I'm not here to sell you bullshit.
1396
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:23,560
You know, I'm here to show you my art.
1397
01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:26,640
And if you like it, cool, let's hang out or let's talk or, you know, whatever.
1398
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:32,440
Let's maybe there's like an exchange and even exchange there as opposed to the, it's like
1399
01:34:32,440 --> 01:34:37,920
the, it's like the, Oh, buy my drop shipping manual, you know, fucking people.
1400
01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:39,240
And I fucking hate those people too.
1401
01:34:39,240 --> 01:34:43,160
Like you were saying the, Oh, come buy my manual on how to get, you know, I'll tell
1402
01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:46,560
you everything you need to know about how to become the next fucking music star, blah,
1403
01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:47,560
blah.
1404
01:34:47,560 --> 01:34:48,560
I hate that so much.
1405
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:51,640
And it's, it's so, they somehow all sound the same.
1406
01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:52,640
Yeah.
1407
01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:56,080
I'm like, how did you guys both all deliver this in the same cadence?
1408
01:34:56,080 --> 01:34:59,680
Like, yeah, it's like they read the manual on how to sell people manuals.
1409
01:34:59,680 --> 01:35:02,520
And then, then now they're all repeating it, you know?
1410
01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:08,840
So yeah, that's something that, you know, we appreciate and you know, that's kind of
1411
01:35:08,840 --> 01:35:12,840
the same type of mentality we're trying to espouse with, with, with this whole thing
1412
01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:15,040
is, Hey, we're doing the stuff that we want to do.
1413
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:17,960
And we're not trying to, you know, we're not trying to sell you a bullshit.
1414
01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:21,040
We're not trying to sell you up the river or any of that stuff.
1415
01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:26,600
And to, to see someone else that's kind of taking that same attitude, that's, that's
1416
01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:30,440
obviously we liked your, your music, but that's another reason why I was like, man, it's,
1417
01:35:30,440 --> 01:35:37,320
it's really important for, you know, your audience, I feel to get to know you and, you
1418
01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:42,280
know, I don't know if you've done any other interviews or not, but it's, it's, I feel
1419
01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:48,160
like it's important, Hey, they can go listen and hear you talk about you as opposed to,
1420
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:50,200
Oh, you're just a, an Instagram person.
1421
01:35:50,200 --> 01:35:54,080
They follow and Oh, they make music that they like, you know what I'm saying?
1422
01:35:54,080 --> 01:35:55,680
There's more to it than that.
1423
01:35:55,680 --> 01:35:58,320
Like you're, you're not just one dimension, I guess.
1424
01:35:58,320 --> 01:35:59,320
Right?
1425
01:35:59,320 --> 01:36:00,320
No.
1426
01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:01,320
And I appreciate that.
1427
01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:05,180
That's like, you know, why this is my first interview ever doing ever.
1428
01:36:05,180 --> 01:36:11,000
So I was like, you know, trying not to psych myself out today, like leading up to this
1429
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:14,560
cause I was just like, man, Oh my gosh.
1430
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:17,680
And it's a different thing to talk about yourself.
1431
01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:22,280
And then like, I'm like, man, am I going to hear my voice back and be like, what the hell?
1432
01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:23,280
Yeah.
1433
01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:26,160
Oh, listen, that's something you get used to cause I hate the sound of my own voice
1434
01:36:26,160 --> 01:36:31,400
and it's, it's the worst, but you just get used to it, you know, eventually.
1435
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:32,400
Yeah.
1436
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:37,080
And I'm sure I'm going to look back and like, hear some of the things and be like, Oh my
1437
01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:41,240
God, like, why am I blabbering on about that?
1438
01:36:41,240 --> 01:36:43,760
Why did I say this in that way or whatever?
1439
01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:49,400
You know, it's just naturally what we do, but ultimately like what I'm always like committed
1440
01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:56,280
to is just like embracing the opportunity and being like, you know what?
1441
01:36:56,280 --> 01:37:03,280
I'm happy to invite people to join me through the learning, you know, so much of the stuff
1442
01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:08,480
that is put out there now is so polished and there's so much money backing it that it's
1443
01:37:08,480 --> 01:37:12,640
like, you know, it's, it has to be perfect.
1444
01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:19,720
And it, you know, it's so manicured that it's like, it is just so different, but yeah, I
1445
01:37:19,720 --> 01:37:26,320
really am like trying to not let those things get the best of me and make me feel like,
1446
01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:32,880
Oh, I have to make sure I know exactly what I'm saying that it's just like, no, I don't.
1447
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:34,960
And I want to make that clear.
1448
01:37:34,960 --> 01:37:38,140
Like I am learning and I'm growing.
1449
01:37:38,140 --> 01:37:42,720
And I'm also just so, so grateful for this opportunity to say these things out loud.
1450
01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:50,400
Because once again, this is like just me figuring it out in real time and you guys giving me
1451
01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:57,300
the space and the opportunity to do that is seriously like, I really can't put towards
1452
01:37:57,300 --> 01:37:58,520
how grateful I am.
1453
01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:03,840
Like the reason I didn't even say much to the email that you guys sent with some of
1454
01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:09,320
the questions, like their initial, okay, this is roughly what we might talk about is because
1455
01:38:09,320 --> 01:38:16,280
I read it and I was just like, so overwhelmed with like disbelief and gratitude.
1456
01:38:16,280 --> 01:38:19,280
And I wanted to like write all that out, but I was like, you know, I like, I just kind
1457
01:38:19,280 --> 01:38:22,180
of want to save it and I don't want to look at these too much because I really just want
1458
01:38:22,180 --> 01:38:23,180
to respond.
1459
01:38:23,180 --> 01:38:30,960
However, I'm going to respond and like give myself that and like, yeah, but I just seriously
1460
01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:32,080
am so grateful.
1461
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:38,240
Like that this time it's hard to take is really hard for me to take this much time from other
1462
01:38:38,240 --> 01:38:39,240
people.
1463
01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:43,560
Like I feel guilty doing it, but I'm trying to like step into that and own that more and
1464
01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:45,160
be cool with that.
1465
01:38:45,160 --> 01:38:48,080
And yeah, so thank you.
1466
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:49,080
Not a problem.
1467
01:38:49,080 --> 01:38:51,120
And we obviously were extremely grateful to you for doing this.
1468
01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:55,560
And it's funny you say those things because we have the same as Adam likes to call it
1469
01:38:55,560 --> 01:38:59,160
the white belt mentality where we're learning every day to work.
1470
01:38:59,160 --> 01:39:01,560
We're not experts at any of this stuff.
1471
01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:05,080
And you know, most people have referred to us as unprofessional and classless in the
1472
01:39:05,080 --> 01:39:10,240
past, but you know, I mean, we're unapologetically who we are.
1473
01:39:10,240 --> 01:39:12,720
And if people don't like it, hey, that's cool.
1474
01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:13,720
We're okay with that.
1475
01:39:13,720 --> 01:39:17,080
Not everybody has to agree with everything we say or like the same things that we like.
1476
01:39:17,080 --> 01:39:18,920
That's what makes life interesting, right?
1477
01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:23,480
Because we don't, we disagree with each other on things and we're just, yeah.
1478
01:39:23,480 --> 01:39:25,080
And we're just, we are who we are.
1479
01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:29,160
And you know, we're just here putting in the work, you know, like you were saying about
1480
01:39:29,160 --> 01:39:30,880
everything so curated.
1481
01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:35,660
We have had that same conversation a million times about other people that talk about,
1482
01:39:35,660 --> 01:39:37,400
you know, doing podcasts and stuff, right.
1483
01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:42,320
And they say, oh, for every hour that you record, you should be spending four hours
1484
01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:45,520
editing it and making it just the most perfect thing.
1485
01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:51,400
And I was like, Jesus Christ, how many hours we put out last month alone, we put out 43
1486
01:39:51,400 --> 01:39:54,840
and a half hours of content last month in May.
1487
01:39:54,840 --> 01:40:00,640
And I'm like, if I sat there and I had to spend four hours for every, I'd be like 160
1488
01:40:00,640 --> 01:40:02,280
hours of shit that I'd have to do.
1489
01:40:02,280 --> 01:40:04,000
And I'm like, there's no way.
1490
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:08,920
We literally record the things, we slap a filter on it to just even out the audio.
1491
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:11,040
And then I hit export and I upload it to the internet.
1492
01:40:11,040 --> 01:40:14,720
It takes like six minutes after we're done recording.
1493
01:40:14,720 --> 01:40:16,360
We don't edit shit.
1494
01:40:16,360 --> 01:40:17,360
We are who we are.
1495
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:21,240
And hell, it's different because a lot of people are doing that where they're perfectly
1496
01:40:21,240 --> 01:40:27,040
curating things and they're trying to project this image to get accepted by, you know, the
1497
01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:34,600
machine or, you know, as it's called the capitalist pigs, you know, they're trying to get accepted
1498
01:40:34,600 --> 01:40:35,600
by them.
1499
01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:36,880
And it's like, ah, we don't want that.
1500
01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:40,880
We just want to be us and just have freedom, right, to do what we want.
1501
01:40:40,880 --> 01:40:46,920
So it's very good to hear someone else who kind of espouses those same principles that,
1502
01:40:46,920 --> 01:40:51,160
you know, I said probably a little more deeper than I should have.
1503
01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:55,480
But it's nice to see and we're appreciative of that as well.
1504
01:40:55,480 --> 01:40:56,480
For sure.
1505
01:40:56,480 --> 01:40:57,480
Yeah.
1506
01:40:57,480 --> 01:41:03,520
I think also like at the end of the day, like I think a lot of people and I've even been
1507
01:41:03,520 --> 01:41:10,760
tempted to follow that formula just to prove like, oh, see, I'm worthy.
1508
01:41:10,760 --> 01:41:12,160
Like I can do that.
1509
01:41:12,160 --> 01:41:19,120
But like at the end of the day, like, yeah, it's just it is it is a jump and it is a risk
1510
01:41:19,120 --> 01:41:24,720
to just be like, oh, I'm just going to do this, like unfiltered and figure it out and
1511
01:41:24,720 --> 01:41:27,760
I am going to do it our way and we're going to be ourselves.
1512
01:41:27,760 --> 01:41:32,080
But I think like, yeah, it's like the most fulfilling path and you're going to learn
1513
01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:33,080
as you go.
1514
01:41:33,080 --> 01:41:37,360
And like people, if people are down to rock with you from the beginning and learn with
1515
01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:39,720
you as you go, like that's rad.
1516
01:41:39,720 --> 01:41:46,160
And if not, like regardless down the line, like you guys will learn and progress and
1517
01:41:46,160 --> 01:41:52,280
like maybe people then.
1518
01:41:52,280 --> 01:41:55,600
Or like whatever, you know, whatever version it becomes, you know what I mean?
1519
01:41:55,600 --> 01:42:02,080
But like, yeah, either way for me, it's like right now all the songs I'm going to put out
1520
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:04,680
to me, they sound cohesive.
1521
01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:09,360
Like I know they're me, each one of them, you know, exercise is a different part of
1522
01:42:09,360 --> 01:42:14,280
me, but I could see somebody else listening and be like, well, this doesn't sound like
1523
01:42:14,280 --> 01:42:17,720
this and this and maybe people don't want to be around for all that.
1524
01:42:17,720 --> 01:42:21,320
Maybe they just want to wait till I'm like a little further down.
1525
01:42:21,320 --> 01:42:23,280
The sounds like super dialed.
1526
01:42:23,280 --> 01:42:28,840
But like right now, I'm not going to shy away from putting these things out.
1527
01:42:28,840 --> 01:42:33,480
Even when, you know, right now, like we do all of it ourselves.
1528
01:42:33,480 --> 01:42:39,040
Like it's just Caleb and I and then like whoever is down to hop on or whatever.
1529
01:42:39,040 --> 01:42:46,920
But it's pretty much just him and I and like, you know, he's not a mixing engineer.
1530
01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:47,920
Figuring that stuff out.
1531
01:42:47,920 --> 01:42:52,920
So sometimes, yeah, the mixes aren't perfect and we can't afford to do live drums right
1532
01:42:52,920 --> 01:42:53,920
now.
1533
01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:57,960
But at the end of the day, like we can sometimes beat ourselves up over it because we're like,
1534
01:42:57,960 --> 01:43:00,440
oh, we're aspiring to get to this point.
1535
01:43:00,440 --> 01:43:01,560
But I'm like, that's cool.
1536
01:43:01,560 --> 01:43:03,400
We can aspire to that.
1537
01:43:03,400 --> 01:43:05,120
But that's not where we are right now.
1538
01:43:05,120 --> 01:43:10,400
And it's OK for the music to reflect where we are right now, because when we look back
1539
01:43:10,400 --> 01:43:15,240
and when people look back, we're never going to like.
1540
01:43:15,240 --> 01:43:17,120
I'm always going to back my honesty.
1541
01:43:17,120 --> 01:43:21,280
You know, it's like I'm going to look back and be like, yeah, it didn't sound the best.
1542
01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:22,280
But you know why?
1543
01:43:22,280 --> 01:43:23,480
Because we had no money to fund it.
1544
01:43:23,480 --> 01:43:24,640
No one was backing us.
1545
01:43:24,640 --> 01:43:26,280
Like, so of course it sounded like that.
1546
01:43:26,280 --> 01:43:31,200
But we were honest and like you can never go wrong with that.
1547
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:36,840
You know, it's funny hearing you say all these things and then talking about your recording
1548
01:43:36,840 --> 01:43:45,040
process and just everything related to music that you've done is that it does.
1549
01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:49,520
I don't know if it's just a coincidence, but you're familiar with the artist named Jack
1550
01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:51,240
White, right?
1551
01:43:51,240 --> 01:43:52,240
Yeah.
1552
01:43:52,240 --> 01:43:59,400
White Stripes, Detroit, all that stuff.
1553
01:43:59,400 --> 01:44:03,680
I don't know if you've ever heard about the process in which they record music.
1554
01:44:03,680 --> 01:44:09,520
He does like live takes and whatever comes out within a three day session.
1555
01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:11,120
That is what gets put on the record.
1556
01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:18,000
They'll pick out the best one or, you know, they'll they'll find out what each for the
1557
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:20,920
for each instrument, like what was the best tracking and all that stuff.
1558
01:44:20,920 --> 01:44:23,680
But it's only done within a constraint.
1559
01:44:23,680 --> 01:44:31,640
And he posits that sometimes constraints bring out the best in an artist because one of the
1560
01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:35,800
most difficult things for an artist is like the freedom of choice, right?
1561
01:44:35,800 --> 01:44:41,400
That that can that in itself can be overwhelming to an artist because there's so many things
1562
01:44:41,400 --> 01:44:47,640
that you could do with music and you're just, you know, you're just overwhelmed with the
1563
01:44:47,640 --> 01:44:49,680
possibility of choice.
1564
01:44:49,680 --> 01:44:57,280
And he believes that having some type of constraint like breeds like greatness.
1565
01:44:57,280 --> 01:45:03,080
And it's funny that you kind of come from like the same the same area and you have like
1566
01:45:03,080 --> 01:45:08,440
this DIY mentality because that's something that he talked about in a documentary about
1567
01:45:08,440 --> 01:45:09,560
Detroit music.
1568
01:45:09,560 --> 01:45:15,200
There's like this YouTube documentary that you can look up and it's it's it's not solely
1569
01:45:15,200 --> 01:45:21,060
about the White Stripes, but it talks about the music scene and like how driven everybody
1570
01:45:21,060 --> 01:45:23,640
was within that community.
1571
01:45:23,640 --> 01:45:25,640
But they were the ones that kind of made it.
1572
01:45:25,640 --> 01:45:31,480
But they've always had it in their mind that like they'll do what they can with what they
1573
01:45:31,480 --> 01:45:32,480
have.
1574
01:45:32,480 --> 01:45:36,520
And that includes Jack White using a guitar that he had from Sears to make most of the
1575
01:45:36,520 --> 01:45:37,520
tracks.
1576
01:45:37,520 --> 01:45:42,160
And, you know, things got better for him and he eventually got to having his own studio
1577
01:45:42,160 --> 01:45:44,360
and his own record label and all that stuff.
1578
01:45:44,360 --> 01:45:45,680
But yeah, I don't know.
1579
01:45:45,680 --> 01:45:49,440
I just wanted to make that parallel between you and Jack White that.
1580
01:45:49,440 --> 01:45:50,680
Yeah, I see.
1581
01:45:50,680 --> 01:45:53,360
I see greatness within you.
1582
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:58,680
And we're here to acknowledge the fact that you're just starting on your journey and we
1583
01:45:58,680 --> 01:46:02,640
recognize you and we think you're you're fucking awesome.
1584
01:46:02,640 --> 01:46:08,640
And and I just wanted to quickly ask what what do you have in the pipeline?
1585
01:46:08,640 --> 01:46:11,680
Do you have more music coming out in the coming months?
1586
01:46:11,680 --> 01:46:14,600
And is there a live show in the works?
1587
01:46:14,600 --> 01:46:16,080
Yes, definitely.
1588
01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:19,080
Yes, to both of those things.
1589
01:46:19,080 --> 01:46:21,360
The music.
1590
01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:29,720
We are at like a fork in the road where it's kind of like, OK, we have these songs like
1591
01:46:29,720 --> 01:46:34,920
they're pretty much done, you know, but we once again, mix them ourselves.
1592
01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:37,960
There aren't live drums on them.
1593
01:46:37,960 --> 01:46:41,880
You know, I really do love the sound.
1594
01:46:41,880 --> 01:46:49,560
Do we, you know, take the extra time and really try to figure out how to make that happen?
1595
01:46:49,560 --> 01:46:56,200
Or is it more important to just, you know, once again, be OK with the conditions in which
1596
01:46:56,200 --> 01:47:03,040
we initially made it and be like, OK, let's just put it out to, you know, keep people
1597
01:47:03,040 --> 01:47:09,880
letting like keeping my gosh, keep people in the loop of, hey, we're still making music.
1598
01:47:09,880 --> 01:47:10,880
Here's some more.
1599
01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:11,880
This is another sound.
1600
01:47:11,880 --> 01:47:16,600
This is, you know, just knowing that there is so much in the pipeline.
1601
01:47:16,600 --> 01:47:25,920
Like, is it OK to just let some of them come out in this like earlier, less polished state?
1602
01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:33,200
Or do we like take a second and like really try to find out a way to like, you know, get
1603
01:47:33,200 --> 01:47:36,040
it, push it to that next level?
1604
01:47:36,040 --> 01:47:38,400
And so we're kind of figuring that out literally right now.
1605
01:47:38,400 --> 01:47:45,840
So I think we're leaning towards the let's take a second because we really believe in
1606
01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:46,840
what we got.
1607
01:47:46,840 --> 01:47:52,320
And, you know, we just want to try to invest and bring them to the full vision because
1608
01:47:52,320 --> 01:47:53,440
we believe in them.
1609
01:47:53,440 --> 01:47:57,400
So it's like, let's just take a minute and see if we can make that happen.
1610
01:47:57,400 --> 01:47:58,400
So we'll see.
1611
01:47:58,400 --> 01:48:02,240
You'll either be seeing a song come out in three weeks.
1612
01:48:02,240 --> 01:48:04,080
That's not that version.
1613
01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:09,080
Or you probably will see a song coming out and a little longer than that because we are
1614
01:48:09,080 --> 01:48:16,080
trying to track some real drums and make that aspect happen and refine what we've been doing.
1615
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:20,220
But either way, stuff is definitely coming out.
1616
01:48:20,220 --> 01:48:24,840
It's just kind of a matter of how quickly and how we're going to finance it and all
1617
01:48:24,840 --> 01:48:25,840
that.
1618
01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:32,360
But live shows are definitely the other priority and we're definitely going to be playing starting
1619
01:48:32,360 --> 01:48:33,760
sometime in July.
1620
01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:40,360
So like I said, my friend Cecile is moving out here literally as we speak.
1621
01:48:40,360 --> 01:48:43,680
She just started driving across the country today.
1622
01:48:43,680 --> 01:48:45,040
Oh, geez.
1623
01:48:45,040 --> 01:48:47,040
That's super exciting.
1624
01:48:47,040 --> 01:48:55,240
Yeah, so other than that, Caleb can also be playing at least from in the start with the,
1625
01:48:55,240 --> 01:49:01,720
you know, he's able to afford the time to like play throughout.
1626
01:49:01,720 --> 01:49:03,680
But he's going to help.
1627
01:49:03,680 --> 01:49:06,400
He does like musical direction for shows.
1628
01:49:06,400 --> 01:49:12,480
So he's going to help build the show out and potentially be playing.
1629
01:49:12,480 --> 01:49:16,920
And then, yeah, we have some other people lined up to be playing with us.
1630
01:49:16,920 --> 01:49:18,760
So figuring all that out.
1631
01:49:18,760 --> 01:49:20,960
It's going to be very excited.
1632
01:49:20,960 --> 01:49:27,400
That's my favorite part of music is being able to like figure that out and just hear
1633
01:49:27,400 --> 01:49:30,840
it come to life with people playing it in the room with you.
1634
01:49:30,840 --> 01:49:35,440
So I will definitely let you guys know when that date is in the book.
1635
01:49:35,440 --> 01:49:38,360
I'm already counting on it.
1636
01:49:38,360 --> 01:49:43,600
Just based on the photo for why, or I think it's on your profile, or maybe it is why,
1637
01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:49,680
that you're like floating in midair yelling into a mic.
1638
01:49:49,680 --> 01:49:55,800
So I hope to see that type of energy when you eventually have your first show.
1639
01:49:55,800 --> 01:49:59,520
Because I feel like you got this beast within you.
1640
01:49:59,520 --> 01:50:02,520
You got to let it out.
1641
01:50:02,520 --> 01:50:05,400
Yeah, we're going balls to the wall.
1642
01:50:05,400 --> 01:50:08,280
We're going live.
1643
01:50:08,280 --> 01:50:11,440
I'm ready to definitely unleash the beast.
1644
01:50:11,440 --> 01:50:12,640
Yeah.
1645
01:50:12,640 --> 01:50:17,480
So just some fun questions I wanted to ask you.
1646
01:50:17,480 --> 01:50:25,660
What is, since you've been involved with film and TV, what are your favorite movies and
1647
01:50:25,660 --> 01:50:27,640
perhaps television shows?
1648
01:50:27,640 --> 01:50:30,680
Oh, a fun.
1649
01:50:30,680 --> 01:50:36,800
I mean, the classic that I can just watch that I've seen, that I could probably quote
1650
01:50:36,800 --> 01:50:40,520
from top to bottom is Wayne's World.
1651
01:50:40,520 --> 01:50:42,920
That movie, it's just great.
1652
01:50:42,920 --> 01:50:48,640
I mean, I don't know what other people think about the movie, but I just love it.
1653
01:50:48,640 --> 01:50:51,360
It was also directed by a woman, which is Fyre.
1654
01:50:51,360 --> 01:50:53,080
I don't think many people know that.
1655
01:50:53,080 --> 01:50:57,240
So Wayne's World, it's just great.
1656
01:50:57,240 --> 01:51:01,800
Great comedy and silly and lighthearted and fun.
1657
01:51:01,800 --> 01:51:12,440
Other than Wayne's World, I'm really, really into cartoons, animations and claymation type
1658
01:51:12,440 --> 01:51:15,560
stuff.
1659
01:51:15,560 --> 01:51:25,360
I saw this crazy weirdo film that came out sometime like a year ago or so.
1660
01:51:25,360 --> 01:51:33,920
And I don't even know what language it's in, but you have to watch it in the original language.
1661
01:51:33,920 --> 01:51:37,920
I started to rewatch it and I didn't realize it was dubbed in English.
1662
01:51:37,920 --> 01:51:43,760
But then when it started, I was like, whoa, this does not work in English.
1663
01:51:43,760 --> 01:51:44,760
But it was translated.
1664
01:51:44,760 --> 01:51:52,760
It was called The Old Man and the Lactopolis or something like that.
1665
01:51:52,760 --> 01:51:56,800
And first of all, just watch the trailer.
1666
01:51:56,800 --> 01:51:59,840
The trailer for this thing is so good.
1667
01:51:59,840 --> 01:52:01,840
It's so well done.
1668
01:52:01,840 --> 01:52:06,360
Anyways, you're probably going to see this and think differently of me after and be like,
1669
01:52:06,360 --> 01:52:08,400
what the fuck is this kid on?
1670
01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:10,400
No, not at all.
1671
01:52:10,400 --> 01:52:12,000
It's really insane.
1672
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:19,400
Anyways, I grew up really liking Wallace and Gromit, the original short films and things
1673
01:52:19,400 --> 01:52:20,400
of that nature.
1674
01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:27,760
I don't know what it is, but anything that's like a whole different range of world building,
1675
01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:30,040
the Muppets are classic.
1676
01:52:30,040 --> 01:52:34,840
But any cartoon, I really grew up a hardcore Spongebob fan.
1677
01:52:34,840 --> 01:52:35,840
Yeah.
1678
01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:42,080
So like the timing of that, I feel like all of that is just like what his they're probably
1679
01:52:42,080 --> 01:52:47,520
not the most like this is definitely not what my parents and my parents get this far into
1680
01:52:47,520 --> 01:52:52,920
this interview and they're going to think like, wow, like you went to film school and
1681
01:52:52,920 --> 01:53:01,040
your answers to your favorite films are The Muppets, Wayne's World and like this freaky
1682
01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:05,040
claymation from, you know, that's not in English.
1683
01:53:05,040 --> 01:53:07,680
They're going to like, what the heck did we do with our child?
1684
01:53:07,680 --> 01:53:08,680
No way.
1685
01:53:08,680 --> 01:53:09,680
There's no way.
1686
01:53:09,680 --> 01:53:18,920
When you talk about creativity, right for animation, just to think of, I don't know.
1687
01:53:18,920 --> 01:53:24,920
I mean, one of my favorite things ever, even though the guy's a scumbag because Nickelodeon,
1688
01:53:24,920 --> 01:53:25,960
whole thing with Nickelodeon.
1689
01:53:25,960 --> 01:53:32,280
I loved like Ren and Stimpy as a child because of the absurdity of like the cartoons that
1690
01:53:32,280 --> 01:53:35,600
it's like, oh, when you see something really cool or like if one of the characters would
1691
01:53:35,600 --> 01:53:40,600
see something that would astonish them, their eyes would pop out or it was just like it
1692
01:53:40,600 --> 01:53:44,720
was just like these really exaggerated facial expressions.
1693
01:53:44,720 --> 01:53:48,340
And because like reality itself is kind of boring.
1694
01:53:48,340 --> 01:53:54,380
So it's like animation brings life to life, I guess you could say.
1695
01:53:54,380 --> 01:54:00,240
And it just it just brings everything to like a grandiose or bombastic level.
1696
01:54:00,240 --> 01:54:01,640
Like, oh, holy shit.
1697
01:54:01,640 --> 01:54:02,640
I didn't even.
1698
01:54:02,640 --> 01:54:08,960
I mean, I'm trying to like shooting, shooting like a bazooka with piranhas within them.
1699
01:54:08,960 --> 01:54:10,640
Like who would even think of that?
1700
01:54:10,640 --> 01:54:12,640
Like who are these people?
1701
01:54:12,640 --> 01:54:17,120
They've been the rules of physics, like everything.
1702
01:54:17,120 --> 01:54:19,360
Nothing is off the table in animation.
1703
01:54:19,360 --> 01:54:24,640
And I think that is just like humans should spend, you know, if you're going to have like
1704
01:54:24,640 --> 01:54:31,000
escapism in your life in the form of like different media, like why not go to a place
1705
01:54:31,000 --> 01:54:33,320
where like literally nothing is off the table?
1706
01:54:33,320 --> 01:54:34,320
Right.
1707
01:54:34,320 --> 01:54:37,360
And so, yeah, I think that's why I just love animation.
1708
01:54:37,360 --> 01:54:43,360
It's just like such a fun world to be able to step into and witness.
1709
01:54:43,360 --> 01:54:46,920
Also in terms of like a recent movie that I just really loved.
1710
01:54:46,920 --> 01:54:49,480
I don't know if you guys saw Bottoms.
1711
01:54:49,480 --> 01:54:54,320
No, that movie I just thought was so fun and well done.
1712
01:54:54,320 --> 01:54:56,700
You have a chance to see it.
1713
01:54:56,700 --> 01:55:03,120
It's just like a kind of an instant classic, you know, like a modern day instant classic.
1714
01:55:03,120 --> 01:55:04,120
Yeah.
1715
01:55:04,120 --> 01:55:08,880
We'll have to review some of these for the game rage movies and TV podcasts that we do
1716
01:55:08,880 --> 01:55:10,920
just to cheap plug it there for a second.
1717
01:55:10,920 --> 01:55:11,920
Yeah.
1718
01:55:11,920 --> 01:55:12,920
But it's funny.
1719
01:55:12,920 --> 01:55:16,480
I just wanted to say it's funny that you bring up that you're a big fan of SpongeBob because
1720
01:55:16,480 --> 01:55:20,360
one of our previous interviews, a guy named Ed Erdilak, he's an author.
1721
01:55:20,360 --> 01:55:25,680
He's actually friends with Tom Kenny, the guy who voices SpongeBob SquarePants.
1722
01:55:25,680 --> 01:55:31,080
And he told us during our interview with him about how he met him and, you know, they go
1723
01:55:31,080 --> 01:55:34,320
see like Lucha Libre pro wrestling all the time.
1724
01:55:34,320 --> 01:55:35,320
And it's crazy.
1725
01:55:35,320 --> 01:55:38,360
If you get a minute, you should just go listen.
1726
01:55:38,360 --> 01:55:40,040
I don't remember exactly where in the interview it is.
1727
01:55:40,040 --> 01:55:42,000
So you might have to like scrub through.
1728
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:46,680
But it is a fun little segment that he talked about on there.
1729
01:55:46,680 --> 01:55:47,680
Yeah.
1730
01:55:47,680 --> 01:55:50,640
He also did mention that.
1731
01:55:50,640 --> 01:55:51,640
What's the guy's name again?
1732
01:55:51,640 --> 01:55:55,240
Please don't crucify me for not knowing the name, please.
1733
01:55:55,240 --> 01:55:56,240
What was it?
1734
01:55:56,240 --> 01:55:57,240
Tom Kenny.
1735
01:55:57,240 --> 01:55:59,840
Tom Kenny, that he has his own band as well.
1736
01:55:59,840 --> 01:56:01,840
So I don't know if you've ever listened to that.
1737
01:56:01,840 --> 01:56:02,840
Yeah.
1738
01:56:02,840 --> 01:56:03,840
No way.
1739
01:56:03,840 --> 01:56:06,840
Does he sound like SpongeBob?
1740
01:56:06,840 --> 01:56:07,840
I don't know.
1741
01:56:07,840 --> 01:56:11,680
I listened to it after the podcast because I was curious for myself.
1742
01:56:11,680 --> 01:56:16,240
But I think it's like 50s like rock and roll, if I'm not mistaken.
1743
01:56:16,240 --> 01:56:21,920
But once I find it, I'll send it to you so you can hear for yourself.
1744
01:56:21,920 --> 01:56:22,920
That is amazing.
1745
01:56:22,920 --> 01:56:23,920
Yeah.
1746
01:56:23,920 --> 01:56:26,360
I'm definitely going to have to hear that.
1747
01:56:26,360 --> 01:56:28,440
And one more question.
1748
01:56:28,440 --> 01:56:32,680
I know we kind of briefly touched on it, but what are your favorite artists like right now
1749
01:56:32,680 --> 01:56:36,360
or just all time?
1750
01:56:36,360 --> 01:56:39,000
I really hate this question, dude.
1751
01:56:39,000 --> 01:56:42,200
The pressure is so on.
1752
01:56:42,200 --> 01:56:44,360
Man asking the worst questions ever.
1753
01:56:44,360 --> 01:56:47,360
That's what we're all about here.
1754
01:56:47,360 --> 01:56:48,360
Man.
1755
01:56:48,360 --> 01:56:49,360
Okay.
1756
01:56:49,360 --> 01:56:52,680
Let me just take a second.
1757
01:56:52,680 --> 01:56:56,760
Okay, you're not under any time constraints or nothing.
1758
01:56:56,760 --> 01:57:00,160
So take as much time as you want.
1759
01:57:00,160 --> 01:57:03,400
You're getting you have to pay by the minute.
1760
01:57:03,400 --> 01:57:08,560
No, dude, I honestly can't even answer that.
1761
01:57:08,560 --> 01:57:16,840
There's just so many that I really owe so much to that it feels like a disservice to
1762
01:57:16,840 --> 01:57:19,440
list a few and forget others.
1763
01:57:19,440 --> 01:57:27,720
But I will say last night I saw this artist named Sia Gray.
1764
01:57:27,720 --> 01:57:31,960
And I almost don't even want to say this because like part of me wants to just gatekeeper.
1765
01:57:31,960 --> 01:57:39,160
Oh, I said it's too late.
1766
01:57:39,160 --> 01:57:41,960
I haven't felt this way since I was a kid.
1767
01:57:41,960 --> 01:57:47,760
But like, I yeah, I really can't remember the last time I felt this way about a show.
1768
01:57:47,760 --> 01:57:49,640
But like I left.
1769
01:57:49,640 --> 01:57:55,480
And I literally like felt sad that like, I won't be able to experience that again.
1770
01:57:55,480 --> 01:57:56,480
For the first time.
1771
01:57:56,480 --> 01:57:59,560
You know when you wake up the next day from a show, like when you were younger, I don't
1772
01:57:59,560 --> 01:58:04,520
know if this is a common thing, but I feel like I'd wake up from a show when I was younger
1773
01:58:04,520 --> 01:58:11,460
and be like, just almost mourning like, Oh, no, like, I'm dealing with this loss because
1774
01:58:11,460 --> 01:58:14,440
like that moment's gone.
1775
01:58:14,440 --> 01:58:18,120
And it was so fun and like so good.
1776
01:58:18,120 --> 01:58:26,240
Yeah, I think I've probably felt that at least because you know, for me, like whenever when
1777
01:58:26,240 --> 01:58:31,080
I was going out to a lot of shows and seeing bands for the first time, I did think that
1778
01:58:31,080 --> 01:58:36,360
at the very end, like, Oh, it'll never be like this again, because as you are familiar
1779
01:58:36,360 --> 01:58:42,800
with like band band lineups change all the time, and even the music evolves and it might,
1780
01:58:42,800 --> 01:58:49,600
you know, it's just that's just one instance within time and space and all that that it
1781
01:58:49,600 --> 01:58:52,360
happened and like you can never go back to that.
1782
01:58:52,360 --> 01:58:55,680
And I do very much know what you're talking about.
1783
01:58:55,680 --> 01:58:56,680
Yeah.
1784
01:58:56,680 --> 01:59:02,600
So I just saw her and her band last night and it was just that experience and I was
1785
01:59:02,600 --> 01:59:09,360
just like, Whoa, I did not think I was I didn't think I I just forgot about that feeling completely.
1786
01:59:09,360 --> 01:59:13,000
And I think that I just thought it was something you'd feel as a kid.
1787
01:59:13,000 --> 01:59:14,560
I don't know.
1788
01:59:14,560 --> 01:59:21,400
And I woke up this morning like, Oh my gosh, like, damn, like, it was so badly I could
1789
01:59:21,400 --> 01:59:25,120
like, transport back into that moment.
1790
01:59:25,120 --> 01:59:33,640
And I don't get to in feeling that has got me so stoked because I'm like, you know, that's
1791
01:59:33,640 --> 01:59:39,600
really what it means to like, be in the present and sharing a moment with people.
1792
01:59:39,600 --> 01:59:43,320
And yeah, there's just such a power to that.
1793
01:59:43,320 --> 01:59:50,400
And being able to be a part of that while watching somebody else and hopefully aspiring
1794
01:59:50,400 --> 01:59:54,560
to give that experience to other people has got me so psyched.
1795
01:59:54,560 --> 01:59:58,560
So yeah, amazing live show.
1796
01:59:58,560 --> 02:00:05,960
So I'd have to say right now, she's it is the one I'm going to list off for inspo.
1797
02:00:05,960 --> 02:00:06,960
Awesome.
1798
02:00:06,960 --> 02:00:09,800
I'm going to have to check that out for myself.
1799
02:00:09,800 --> 02:00:15,600
And thank you so much for doing this and giving us two hours of your time.
1800
02:00:15,600 --> 02:00:16,600
Exactly.
1801
02:00:16,600 --> 02:00:22,520
I didn't exactly know how this was going to work out, but I'm very I'm very satisfied
1802
02:00:22,520 --> 02:00:26,600
with how how this this whole podcast episode went.
1803
02:00:26,600 --> 02:00:31,960
And again, just thank you so much for just letting us into your world and learning more
1804
02:00:31,960 --> 02:00:34,800
about your music and you yourself.
1805
02:00:34,800 --> 02:00:36,600
And if Josh, you got anything else to add?
1806
02:00:36,600 --> 02:00:37,600
Yeah, of course.
1807
02:00:37,600 --> 02:00:38,600
Big thanks.
1808
02:00:38,600 --> 02:00:42,760
And before we end, I want you to, you know, plug anything you want to plug here at the
1809
02:00:42,760 --> 02:00:46,280
end and then we're going to play a little outro song and don't hang up because once
1810
02:00:46,280 --> 02:00:48,720
that goes out, I'll stop the recording and then we just want to talk to you for a couple
1811
02:00:48,720 --> 02:00:51,040
minutes if you have the time.
1812
02:00:51,040 --> 02:00:52,280
Sure.
1813
02:00:52,280 --> 02:00:56,400
So yeah, what do you what do you got to plug real quick before we head out here?
1814
02:00:56,400 --> 02:00:57,400
Man.
1815
02:00:57,400 --> 02:01:01,840
Well, first of all, I mean, thank you so much for this time.
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It's like super, super generous once again, like, I don't know, you make art and you kind
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of forget that anyone ever want to talk about it.
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It's like the fact that we're talking about it is crazy.
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And yeah, I'm just super grateful for how generous this has been.
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Plug up.
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Let's see.
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I obviously want to thank everybody who's been helping me out.
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Like I mentioned my friend Josh, who's been holding it down with operating the camera
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for these videos.
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And yeah, first of all, for moving out here, obviously, Caleb, he already knows he'd be
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pissed out without the amount of time.
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Stop.
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But Caleb, David Waterman, that guy is.
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Yeah.
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Seriously.
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Such a blessing in my life.
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Shout out to my mom and dad if they've made it this far.
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I don't know if they want to hear me talk for this long.
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But yeah, check out Jerk, my atomic jerk, my friend's little clothing brand talking
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about style.
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He's a style inspo for me, Sharif Grady.
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And shout out to my friend Jaya, Jaya Khan for helping keep the visuals locked in whenever
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I need some photos taken.
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You know, we went to CalArts together and lived together in the past.
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And you know, we just have like we have also a very shared experience.
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So I just know we're on the same wavelength and that always makes making shit a lot easier.
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So yeah, everybody in my life.
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And thank you guys, because this has been really awesome.
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And your your your tag for Instagram, is that two or three underscores?
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It's three.
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OK, so it's a three underscores BK.
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Do you have other social media with the same tag or do you have different stuff for Twitter
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and TikTok?
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I want to say.
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I want to say Twitter is the same.
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And TikTok might just be a dash.
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Let me double check.
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I really know these things.
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TikTok is actually crazy, TikTok is just aka.BK underscore.
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But really, yeah, I mean, if you really want to get into it, you could join my newsletter
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on my website because I feel like I hate social media.
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But if you really want to tap in with what I'm up to and receive little notes from me,
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you can go to my website, aka.BK.com and join my newsletter because I'm really trying to
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really trying to get off of social media, but still be talking to people.
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Perfect.
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02:03:53,320 --> 02:03:54,320
Yeah, definitely.
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And then for anyone who's here listening that, you know, came because of obviously the main
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attraction, the main draw aka.BK and doesn't know who we are.
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You can follow us on Instagram and TikTok at GameRage magazine.
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02:04:05,480 --> 02:04:09,320
You can also follow us on Twitter slash X at GameRage Mag because they didn't have enough
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letters, so we had to shorten it.
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And by the time we got it, it was already too late, so we just we didn't have a choice.
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And you can also follow Adam for all the latest and musical news at All Gas, No Trash Official.
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02:04:19,840 --> 02:04:24,200
And you can check out our slew of websites that we have or not websites, podcasts that
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we have at GameRageMag.com.
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And again, we thank we thank aka.BK, we thank everybody.
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And you know, Jimmy, before we go, Adam, yeah, I mean, we got to go down the Wayne's World
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path and just bow down and go, we're not worthy, we're not worthy.
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Excellent.
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Party on aka.BK.
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Awesome.
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All right.
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Well, thanks, everybody for listening.
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We will catch you on the next one.
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It was without sensor, the GameRage Magazine interview podcast.
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Visit www.GamerageMag.com for the full menu of podcasts.
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Follow us on Instagram and TikTok at GameRageMagazine.
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Also on X at GameRageMag for all the latest episodes and content.
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Thanks again for listening.
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Except if you're with the FCC, then go on, get get out of here.
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Go on, go on, get.