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there is a very good chance that somebody ruined
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your afternoon this week. Maybe it was an email.
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Maybe it was a student who knew exactly, and
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I mean exactly, which button to push. Maybe it
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was a comment from an administrator delivered
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with just enough edge that you were still thinking
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about it on the drive home. That person who sent
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the email? Now, they're not even thinking about
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you right now. The student who pushed back in
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third period, they have moved on. And the administrator,
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they have had 14 other conversations since yours.
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But you're the only one that seems to still be
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carrying it. Welcome to the Y at a 5 podcast.
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Coming to you from the Northwoods of Wisconsin,
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I'm your host Jeremy Jorgensen, and this is your
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destination for becoming a happier, healthier,
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and stronger educator. Whether you're joining
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us during your morning commute, afternoon planning
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period, or even winding down, you're in the right
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place. Get ready to explore practical strategies,
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inspiring stories, and evidence -based approaches
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to enhance your teaching journey. Let's grow
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together. So after 26 years in the classroom,
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I know this feeling all too well. Something happens
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and something that, if I'm being honest, probably
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didn't warrant the amount of mental energy I
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gave it. And it follows me into my car, into
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my house, into the next day sometimes. I recently
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read a book called The Art of Living by Epictetus,
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and he said something that I want to start with
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today, something that is either going to land
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for you or is going to make you want to immediately
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turn this podcast off. He said, remember, it
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is not enough to be hit or insulted to be harmed.
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You must believe that you are being harmed. If
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someone succeeds in provoking you, realize that
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your mind is complicit in the provocation. Your
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mind is complicit. Not theirs, yours. So this
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is episode one of four. For the next four episodes,
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this podcast is going to explore Epictetus and
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the art of living. We'll have four quotes, four
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ideas. and one arc that I think is going to be
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worth your time. So welcome back to the Why Edify
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podcast. I'm Jeremy Jorgensen coming to you from
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above my garage. Let's get into it. But first,
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take a moment right now, share this podcast with
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someone else, like it, maybe leave a comment.
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and help give this podcast a little bit of momentum.
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It's getting kind of exciting. I've got a few
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folks that are starting to leave comments and
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even some folks telling me that something that
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I've shared has been helpful for them. Hopefully
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it has been helpful for you. Thanks for anything
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you could do to give our podcast a little boost.
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So back to it. Who was Epictetus? So before we
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go anywhere with that quote, a little bit of
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context because it changes a little bit about
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how the quote lands. Epictetus was a Stoic philosopher
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who lived in the first and second century. He
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was a slave, born into slavery, and for much
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of his life he had almost no control over what
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happened to him externally. None. And out of
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that reality, out of having almost no power over
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his circumstances, he developed a philosophy
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entirely focused on what a person can control,
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which in his view came down to one thing, the
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mind, how you interpret what happens to you,
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what you choose to give your assent to. He did
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not write any of this down himself, by the way,
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his students did. But what did survive is a little
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bit blunt and direct and sometimes a little jarring,
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which is honestly one of the reasons that I find
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it so useful. rather than just interesting. Teaching
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is a profession structurally designed to make
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you feel like you have very little control. Class
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sizes, curriculum, home lives of your students
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that come through your door every morning, your
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administration, the parking situation, which
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I don't know about at your school, but sometimes
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that can breed its own category of chaos. But
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you don't control most of it. But you do control
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what you do with what hits you. That's actually
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where a lot of the energy is. And it's the part
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most professional development completely ignores.
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Epictetus called it the discipline of ascent.
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I want to call it something a little bit simpler,
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so we're just going to call it the gap. That's
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the space between what happens to you and what
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you do next. So a parent sends a hostile email
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at 9 p .m. There's the email. Can't control that.
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The email has landed. And then there's what you
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do with it. Are you going to fire back immediately?
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Are you going to close the laptop and come back
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to it tomorrow? Whether you spend the next four
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hours composing a response in your head while
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you're supposed to be sleeping, that's the gap.
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That's the space. And it belongs to you entirely.
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Nobody else gets there unless you let them. You
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want to be careful here because I don't want
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this to sound like it is toxic positivity. Epictetus
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is not saying that this email was not real. He's
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not saying the student's behavior didn't happen.
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And he's not saying that the frustration isn't
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legitimate. But what he's saying is that the
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harm, the thing that actually costs you energy
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and sleep and peace, that does require your participation.
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You have to keep it going after the initial trigger.
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And once you see that, you have a choice you
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didn't know you had. So here's a little bit of
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the neuroscience, which I think is fascinating.
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And this is where it gets interesting from a
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completely different angle. Neuroanatomist Jill
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Bolte -Taylor did research on the physiological
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stress response. When something triggers you,
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The email, the eye roll, the comment, the actual
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physiological response in your body lasts approximately
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90 seconds. 90. After that, the chemical response
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is moved through your system. After 90 seconds,
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if you're still feeling it, you're the one that's
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keeping it going. Not consciously, not on purpose,
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but you are the mechanism at that point, not
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the trigger. I find that a little both unsettling
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and useful, especially the first time I read
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it. Unsettling because it means I have to take
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some responsibility for how long difficult things
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stay with me. I'm also useful because there's
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a window, a short one, but a real one where I
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can choose differently. 90 seconds is all you
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need to get into the gap. So what can this actually
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look like? So here are five things that I've
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either tried or am in the process of trying that
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create the gap in actual school day situations.
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Not theory, just something to practice. When
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a difficult email lands, I try to close it. I
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don't respond and I come back to it in 10 minutes
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or after lunch or often the next morning. The
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email hasn't changed, but I have. That one sounds
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simple and it is harder than it sounds. especially
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if you're the kind of person who needs to address
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things immediately. And I often am that person.
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Just want to get it over with, get it done, get
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it solved. Before a tense meeting or a difficult
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parent call, try to ask one question. What do
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I actually need from this exchange? Not what
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do I want to say? Not how do I defend myself?
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What do I need? And it changes how I walk in
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the situation. Or those times when a student
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pushes back hard, publicly, in front of everyone,
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in a way that just gets on every single nerve
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that you have. Just take two full seconds before
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you respond. Count them out in your head. I know
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what two seconds could feel like forever. The
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student thinks you're in control, and in those
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two seconds, you might actually get there. Before
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I open my work email after school, Before I let
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that day back in, one question, is this worth
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my piece tonight? Sometimes yes, most often than
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not, the answer is no. Naming it helps me put
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things down that I otherwise carry right into
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dinner. And finally, the last one. And this one
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is kind of the strangest, but it might be the
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most useful. When you catch yourself replaying
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something, running the tape back, refighting
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the conversation in your head, imagining what
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you should have said, just say it out loud, actually
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out loud, even just to yourself if it's in the
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car, telling yourself, I'm actually choosing
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to stay in this. Then decide if you really want
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to. Making a conscious choice rather than something
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that's just happening to you, it does change
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the quality of it completely. So this short episode
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today is the foundational episode, all about
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the gap and your response to what hits you. And
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in our next installment, we'll go a little bit
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deeper, a level deeper, and we'll talk about
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what you're giving your attention to before any
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provocation even arrives. Epictetus has a line
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that is deceptively simple. You become what you
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give your attention to. Now, we're spending a
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whole episode there, and I think it's going to
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be one that surprises people the most. And then
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week three is probably going to be the toughest
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one, and that's where you're sourcing your professional
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worth and why so many teachers are exhausted
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by an approval loop that the profession itself
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built into them. And then our fourth and final
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installment, we will turn back outward again.
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Because all of this work inside doesn't just
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benefit you. It changes the rooms that you're
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in. It changes what your students experience
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without you ever announcing it. So we got there
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four weeks. There's just one arc and all of it
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is built from within. Now, if any of this resonates
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with you, the newsletter version connected to
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this podcast went out recently and in it has.
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some resources you can look at. There's a book
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recommendation and a few more specific practices.
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You can find that at jeremyajorgensen .com, my
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website, or just search for Why Edify. And if
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you want to go deeper and have some actual conversations
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with other teachers that are exploring the same
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idea, the Strong Teachers Lounge, we're running
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a companion series called Built From Within,
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and it's alongside these four episodes. Every
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week there's a discussion prompt, a grade differentiated
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implementation guide, and you can find a link
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to get to that in the show notes or just search
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for the Strong Teachers Lounge. So be on the
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lookout for our second installment. And until
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then, stay strong.