So Bad it's Good!!!

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Welcome to Whose Coat Is That Jacket?
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Old Friends, New Conversations with me, Morgan James, and her.
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Ryanith Bebrak.
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Hello, hello, hello.
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How are you?
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I'm good, thank you.
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How are you?
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I'm very good, and obviously all the better for seeing your gorgeous mush.
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Oh, that's very nice of you to say so.
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I'm a very nice person.
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You are?
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I've known that for quite some years.
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It's other people don't know it.
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No, they don't.
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No, you're the only person who does know it, actually.
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I'm the only one I'm convin I'm trying to convince all.
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No, no, they don't listen, do they?
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No.
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It's stupid.
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Very stupid people.
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No, it's nice to see you as well, and lots of people know how nice you are.
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Yeah, nice to see you.
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How are you?
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I'm good.
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That's all I can say.
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Everything's going fine swimmingly.
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Um I'm a little bit fatigued at the moment, that's about it.
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But that's a general kind of evening thing.
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After a very long, arduous day at the chalk face, you know.
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Yeah.
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Those bastards that don't listen to me.
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Let's say it's that time of year, isn't it, where there's um uh at the time of recording, listener, it's spring.
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And it there is a sort of as much as we're coming out of that darkness and we're going into you know fresh life, there's a slight malaise, don't you find?
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It's like we're not quite up the top of the hill yet where we can see the view of the summer meadow.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Oh, I don't know.
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I don't feel like that.
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No, I feel like this is this is the best time when you've got the anticipation of the summer meadow.
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Because very often the summer meadow never actually turns up, it's a bloody, you know, swamp.
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Because it's pissing down, and uh, you know, that's summer that you look forward to at the start of the year never really materialises.
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So I I am I am enjoying the weather that we've got now.
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It's been very summer summery, summer like the last few days, certainly last weekend.
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So um, yeah, it's it's all good for me.
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Good, good.
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And on that note of good, that's part of the title of this week's It was called Is That Jacket Question Conundrum Poser.
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The poser, I like that.
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And my question to you, Rihanna is it's so bad it's good.
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I think it's several things so obviously uh being um Mrs.
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Um Mrs.
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Pinicety Pants, that's not a question, it's a statement.
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But so what are you asking?
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You're asking me that pick something like a like a guilty pleasure.
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I know it's bad, but I love it.
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Yeah, that thing that you don't tell many people, although you're about to tell quite a few people.
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Uh that you just you just no well, quite a few.
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We got our we got our lovely loyal listener in Iraq and Sweden and Singapore.
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Shout out to Iraq and Sweden and Singapore.
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Yes, please stay with us.
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We love you.
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We do love you.
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Um, and we love you on a no whose coat is that jacket with us.
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I'm gonna let you kick off with that.
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It's so bad, it's good.
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Your guilty pleasure.
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Okay, right.
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So I uh the thing that immediately comes to mind for me is a film.
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Right.
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Um, and it's a film I first saw.
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I'm not oh I I couldn't tell you exactly when.
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Feels like a very long time ago.
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It feels like it's something I've been aware of for some years.
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I would say at least 20 years.
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Okay.
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Um, and I don't know how I ended up watching it.
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It would have been, I don't know, some kind of random late night, you know, after the pub type thing, probably where you're just flicking through channels and um all of a sudden this thing appears.
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So I or it could have been because of one of the actors that that made me want to watch it.
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So anyway, um, I don't know whether you've ever heard of or seen, and if you have, it's bloody great.
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Uh it's a film called The Lair of the White Worm.
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Uh I think it's no, it rings no bells, and no, I've not seen it.
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And I mean it is dreadful.
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Yeah, it's not fabulous.
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I it had if we were still living in a time of cinema, were I to walk past it, I probably wouldn't get a ticket for that.
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No, no, no.
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Well, it's based on um a novel by Bram Stoker.
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Right.
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Of Dracula.
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Um, and I've tried to read to read the original novel after having watched the film and thinking, oh, it's a great, you know, let's find the original.
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Uh and the novel is even worse than the film.
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I couldn't get through it.
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I couldn't get through it at all.
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So I haven't read the entire novel, and it's not a big one, it's a novella, really.
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But no, uh, that was one of the few, very few um works of fiction that have ever defeated me.
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But um, so the The Led of the White Womb is a Ken Russell film.
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So, those of you who are familiar with Ken Russell, it's probably like there's a little pigeon hole forming now, which is about to fill with pigeons.
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Um, so it was made in 1988.
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Okay.
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It's got a fabulous, really bizarre cast.
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But first of all, I'll tell you about the premise of the film, I'll tell you the plot of the film.
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So it's set in whatever you've been then, you know, uh contemporary times in in the late 80s, and it's um about this uh family, so two sisters who live in North Yorkshire, and they live in this, they've got this kind of B B sort of situation going on.
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And there's an archaeologist, a Scottish archaeologist, who comes to do a dig in the grounds of the B B and he's staying with them, and he digs up um this enormous snake's skull, it's huge.
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I mean, I I'm spreading my arms like this now.
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I think you can't actually see because my arms are off the off the screen.
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So it's I don't know, like it's about a meter long, this snake skull, but potentially more.
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Um and he digs this up, um, and it raises um sort of thoughts about the fact that there's this local legend that back in the Middle Ages a local squire um killed a dragon.
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The worm is another word for a dragon that was menacing the local community, and there's a sort of folk tale, local folk tale about it and everything.
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And oddly enough, the parents of these two women, young women who run the B, they disappeared in mysterious circumstances while off on a ramble several years ago, and their bodies have never been found.
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So they start thinking, oh, you know, is this is this um uh sort of tradition of this serpent, this worm, this dragon kind of real?
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There's also in the local area there's um this woman who lives on her own, and she is actually the high priestess of a cult around this uh worm, right?
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So this worm actually exists, it's and it is like a massive big white worm, although that's that's the sort of old name for a for a dragon or a serpent.
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So think of it like a long white snake.
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So she is this high priestess, and she wants to get sacrifices for the for the serpent.
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And we've also got as well, we've also got the local squire, okay, very partial squire, who is also involved in it.
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So it's basically all about whether or not this is um the last resting place of this serpent, and whether or not the priestess is going to be able to find get one of these two girls or both of them as a sacrifice, and there's all sorts of other different bizarre, bloody things that go on as well.
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Um, and it's just bloody fabulous because it's so naf, right?
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So let me tell you about the cast.
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Okay.
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So the archaeologist is played by Peter Capaldi, okay?
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And who I love, as you know.
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So a very young Peter Capaldi, like I said, it's 1988, so he's got his fabulous curly brown hair.
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Um, he spends his entire time in a kilt, because of course, if you're an archaeologist, you must wear a kilt.
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And he's Scottish as well.
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Yeah, and he's Scottish, he's Scottish.
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So um that's that's him, he's the archaeologist.
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Um, the local squire is Hugh Grant, right?
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Okay, yeah.
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Um, the high priestess lady is Amanda Donohoe, and she is fucking fabulous.
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She, oh my god, if I could be her in this film, she basically embodies a snake, right?
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She sort of slithers out of trees, and she's oh my god, she's brilliant.
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She's brilliant.
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But the most bizarre thing, the most bizarre thing is the two um sisters who run the B, right?
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One of them is played by, do you remember Catherine Oxenberg?
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Dynasty, yeah.
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Dynasty.
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She's European royalty, right?
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As Plumian as posh as you can imagine, but here she's trying to put on a Yorkshire accent.
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I'm spectacularly failing.
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Was she Dynasty or Colby's?
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I think it was Dynasty.
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It was Dynasty, wasn't it?
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And I think she was one of those, anyway.
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So she was she's like Princess Diana-esque, wasn't she?
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With a bit longer hair.
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Yeah, very blonde and blue-eyed and kind of very, very plummy.
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Um, but yeah, she's trying to talk like that, and she's putting putting a stooling effort in, bless her.
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But uh not absolutely um nailing it.
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Um so it's got this, and then Stratford Johns appears in it as well as a policeman.
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So good cast.
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I've got a fabulous cast.
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You know, Ken Russell is a kind of very famous director.
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Yeah, that would have been the draw property for these young editors.
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Bizarre film.
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So you've got there's some really bizarre bits in it.
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So um there's one bit where one of the uh one of the sisters, so potentially Katherine Oxenberg's character, has this sort of hallucination type thing that she is a nun, right?
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Be back in the day of when the when the serpent first appeared.
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I I can't work out what the hell is going on.
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So it's the it's like this fever dream type hallucination where you've got a nun set in Roman times.
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You've got all these Roman soldiers running around, right?
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But then a nun, like a modern nun.
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And a big crucifix.
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Now don't tell me how the Roman soldiers and the crucifix go together.
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Yeah, but um, and the nun is trying the nuns are trying to protect the crucifix, and the Roman soldiers are just basically attacking them and sexually assaulting them.
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Was this in a dream?
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This is a fever dream, a proper old fever dream.
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Okay, yeah.
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Um, there's another bit where Amanda Donho kidnaps like a young boy scout or something, and put takes him into her uh jacuzzi, and she puts him in the jacuzzi, and like um she's she's half snake as well, so she's got these long fangs, and she kind of envenomates him and you know he dies.
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It's bizarre.
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And um, and there's another even more bizarre bit where I think this is who grant having a dream, right?
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And all of a sudden, who grant is in um like a flyer, a pilot's uniform.
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He's not a pilot, as far as we're aware, he's the local Lord of the Manor.
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But he's he turns up in his pilot's uniform and he's on a plane, right?
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And so he's obviously got the hots for both Amanda Donahue's character and Catherine Oxenberg's character.
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And they they appear in the um aisle of the plane, dressed as little kind of sexy air hostesses, and then they start doing a bit of um wrestling on the floor.
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And he's he's holding a pen in his hand for some reason, a red byro.
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And then the red by ro kind of tilts upwards like that.
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The red Bayro is getting an erection as he's watching Amanda Donahue and Catherine Oxenburg like in stilettos and suspenders wrestle on the floor.
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It's just it's bizarre.
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It sounds, yeah, it sounds immensely Ken Russell.
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It's fabulously Ken Russell, and with uh such cringe-worthy bits in it, you think, what the fuck is happening now?
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Where's this come from?
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You know, what the hell is going on now?
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But it's it all somehow hangs together.
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The cast, Amanda Donohoe, right?
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She is taking it seriously.
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She is giving it her all, she is fabulous, as I can't remember her name, is Lady something or other.
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Um, but she's bloody fabulous, and she's playing it, it's so camp, but she's playing it dead straight.
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And they're all playing it dead straight, apart from perhaps Peter Capoldi, I wonder whether he's actually just like, what the fuck am I doing?
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But it's um yes.
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So I I just rambled around that really, and I've not given you a true flavour of of how spectacularly fabulous yet dreadful it is.
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But if you do have the opportunity to watch it, and actually I had a look on YouTube just now, and there's a trailer on YouTube that makes it look really good.
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I watched this trailer, it's about a two-minute long trailer, and it if you just saw the trailer and you'd think, oh, this is a really good film, I want to watch this, you'd be sadly disappointed by the real thing.
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But it's such high camp that you know you can't help love it.
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I've never heard of it.
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And do you know what?
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I think Mike would love it because he loves high camp stuff, doesn't he?
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Yeah.
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I think he'd love it.
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And I think he'd just love to see Catherine Oxenberg try to tackle a Yorkshire accent and Amanda Donahoe looking absolutely fabulous.
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She's so slinky, she's a proper snake in it, you know, it's bloody great.
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I've never heard of it.
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Oh yeah, it's great.
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It does sound horrific and also intriguing at the same time.
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Um, and you know, it makes me think as an actor, you often take a job, and no matter who's in it or directing it or written it, you you ne even though you hope, you never know how it's gonna turn out.
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You never know.
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It's only when you're in it do you realise, oh Christ, this is a turkey.
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Or actually, this is gonna be quite good.
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And I can imagine they all went fantastic because they were all starting out pretty much at that point, weren't they?
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88.
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Yeah, I guess so, 88.
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Presumably it was filmed in like 87.
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They would all have all come strap for John's.
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Um, bless him.
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You know, Catherine Oxenberg probably would have been the one with the highest profile, the highest profile, yeah.
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Amanda Donna, who was yet to go into LA law.
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Certainly Hugh Grant and Peter Capaldi weren't very early in their careers, I think.
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So you imagine they've come out of drama school, they've got a Ken Russell movie.
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I mean, yeah, Ken L, you're on your way.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And then this.
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It's just bizarre.
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It's honestly it is like one of those late night things where if you happen to turn on the TV and it's on, you'd be like transfixed, wanting to turn it off, but not being able to turn it off because you're like, I what the fuck's going on now?
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You know, and what what's he doing in this film?
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And what's she what is that accent?
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Oh my god.
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Um again, the title of the film is The Lair of the White Worm.
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And what genre would you put it into?
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Um, it's supposed to be horror.
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I would say horror comedy.
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Treat it like a horror comedy.
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Okay.
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It's it's glorious.
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Okay.
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Absolutely glorious.
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So you love it.
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Do you but you I do love it, yeah.
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You also think it's terrible.
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Well, I mean, like, yeah, objectively, it's terrible.
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Because the acting is pretty shit, apart from Amanda.
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But Amanda Donahue, like I say, she commits, right?
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She's committed, isn't she?
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She's and and I think that's what saves it.
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So it's high camp, but with that sort of quite serious core to it, committed core.
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And um, you know, and it looks good.
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I mean, it's well, some of the special effects, no, to be fair, are a bit naff.
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But there's that there's some really good bits in it as well, some really kind of powerful images.
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There's uh a bit where Amanda Donahue, because like I said, she's part snake, so she's got these long, long fangs that just appear, you know, when when necessary, and she goes to the uh to the B um to have a look to see who's there.
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There's nobody there, so she has a bit of a prowl about, and as I say, she's really slinky and everything.
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And this she sees a crucifix on the wall, and she just projectile vomits, venom at it like that, straight out of her mouth onto the crucifix, you know.
00:17:52.960 --> 00:17:55.359
That's just that you know that's classic, that is, isn't it?
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A bit of classic horror.
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It's lovely.
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And this was a novella by Bram Stoker.
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Bram Stoker, and as I said, the original so the original obviously isn't set in 1988.
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The original is is set in the late Victorian period.
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Um, it's it's even worse.
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So it's bad.
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I remember I don't know why I was googling him.
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He might have been an episode of something we were doing, or for some reason.
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But I didn't realise he didn't, other than Dracula, he didn't have a huge amount of success as a writer.
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Well, he wasn't a writer, he was a theatre manager.
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Yeah.
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And an agent.
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Uh yeah, I think it was just like a a side a side hustle.
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Side hustle.
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Yeah.
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Um and I think he he, you know, he the demon drink got the better of him.
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Oh, did it?
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Like if I want to remember what I'm reading.
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I bizarrely found him quite hot.
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No, we we've had this conversation before when I disagree with you.
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I'd I'd like to say that I found Bram Stoker hot, but the pictures I've seen of him, like a big fat bastard with a big beard.
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No, he's like a big ginger Irish rugby player, and I'm not I'm not adverse to that.
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Well, there we are, then that's fine.
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And I'm not adverse to the ginger.
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Is he ginger?
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You haven't seen any colour photographs of him.
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He looks fair, he may not be ginger.
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No, I think of him as being dark.
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Do you know it looks anyway?
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Anyway.
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Anyway, we digress with my slight fantasy about Bram.
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Yeah, okay.
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Yeah, but I mean, well done.
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When you think about it that way, well done to Ken Russell for making something watchable out of a dia book.
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So and again, we're not gonna go down that road, but it it it it sparks questions in me like, why would you even option such a book?
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If it's such a shit book, why would you go?
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I'm gonna option this and make it.
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Well, there's so many good pieces out there.
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No, I know.
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Well, maybe that's it, maybe it was cheap.
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Maybe that's it.
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Yeah, who who knows?
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But it's it's uh it it's a cult classic now.
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I mean, it's not a cult classic in the way that other things are, like the wicker man and that kind of thing.
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But it's um yeah, that it has a a loyal following, a little core of people, you know, um, who uh appreciate its quirks and its oddnesses.
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Anyway, it's all part of the joy of the Lair of the White Worm.
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Lair of the White Worm, okay, on my list of films.
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Uh that'll be a slow day, I think, when that goes on.
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Anyway, darling, what's yours so bad it's good?
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Well, I I can't really make fun of yours.
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Yours, as bad as it sounds, and as camp as it sounds, and I love a bit of camp.
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Mine is camp, yours still sounds much more highbrow than mine.
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Oh Christ almighty, how low can we go?
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Yeah.
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Oh, I'm about to take us really low.
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Oh dear, dear God almighty.
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So when um we when we kind of put this subject out there so bad it's good, I thought about so many different things.
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And then I came to that phrase you said, and I I thought, guilty pleasure, guilty pleasure.
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What is the one thing I don't tell many people I watch?
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And I I don't know why because I don't judge people, watch what you want.
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But it's a fucking guilty pleasure.
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My so bad it's good is the real housewives of Beverly Hills.
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Oh Jesus Christ.
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The look of disdain on her face, listener, is it's unbelievable.
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I've sat here and listened to this garbage about this movie, and now she's not garbage, but he great.
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She is literally like this.
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At least mine's got a script and actors and sets and costumes.
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I think mine's scripted, but they're if they're actors, they actually I don't know, they could be the best actors in the world.
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So let me give you the premise anyway.
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So it's a reality TV show.
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And I Don't watch many reality TV shows.
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I'm a bit like you.
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I probably watch You're not like me, you watch bloody loads of them.
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I don't know.
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Watch Traitors.
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Would that be a reality TV show?
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Yeah, well, I don't know actually.
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I can't.
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And I watch this.
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Okay.
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Go on then.
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I don't watch anything else.
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Alright.
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But I thought rather than me try and sum it up, what I'd do is I'd read how it's sold.
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So online, you know, when you go online.
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So there were various definitions of it.
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So if you go to Wikipedia, for example, or IMDB, affluent women attempt to balance their ever-evolving friendships with the demands of family life and growing business ventures while living in Beverly Hills.
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That's the that's IMDB.
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The one I love is Netflix, which is basically the hit reality franchise takes up residence in Beverly Hills, where well-heeled frenemies fight, drink, and prim their way to maximum drama.
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Oh, Jesus, it sounds appalling.
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And if I watch my movie, you're gonna have to watch an episode of this.
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Oh, no, I'm not, that wasn't part of the bloody deal.
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If I watch your movie.
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So basically, I'll tell you how I came about it.
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So I think it's on season 15 now.
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What?
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Oh yeah.
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The Real Households franchise is a a monster.
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It's a juggernaut.
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I think you have them all over America.
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I think you have them on in Canada or have had.
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I think you have them in Europe.
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Anyway, I only watched this one.
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I I'd be lying if I said I didn't dip into the New York one.
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But let's leave it there.
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So um basically I, as you know, um, we talked about it uh in a recent episode.
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Mike and I go to uh have been going to LA a lot over the years.
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And so it was not long after going, probably for the first time, it's quite a few years ago, many years ago, and I was home in the day, and a in a job in actor, all that, nothing on.
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And this was on in the morning, and I thought, oh, Beverly Hills! Oh, I want to see Beverly Hills.
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It's a documentary.
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So I thought I'm gonna watch this purely to see places I'd been to as a little kind of oh thinking nothing of it.
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Yeah.
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Mike came home that night and I said I've watched about six episodes of this thing called The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.
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Oh my god.
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And how long is each episode?
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Oh, it's about 50 minutes.
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Basically, uh usually it covers the lives of six or seven Real Housewives.
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So they're there for the season.
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Only one of them has been in it from the very beginning.
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That's Kyle.
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Okay, so Kyle has been in it from the beginning.
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Yeah.
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And I'm trying to r I can't for the life of me now remember Kyle's full name, which is awful.
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I might have to it'll come in.
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It doesn't matter.
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No, Kyle was an actress.
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She was the child in Halloween with Jamie Lee Curtis.
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She was the little girl Jamie Lee Curtis was babysitting.
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Oh right.
00:25:14.880 --> 00:25:16.319
I've never seen Halloween actually.
00:25:16.480 --> 00:25:17.119
Well, interesting.
00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:22.559
That could have been on my list because I watched that recently one Halloween because Michael said we've got to watch a horror.
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Yeah.
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And um, I mean, you know me.
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You've s I'm not great with horrors and I cover my list.
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I mean, at one point I was like, can this guy just turn up and kill these fucking irritating people, please?
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It was so unfrightening.
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Um Kyle Richards.
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Kyle Richards.
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So Kyle Richards was a little girl in that, and she's in the remake with Jamie Lee Curtis.
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They've remained good friends.
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So I think Jamie Lee Curtis was a teenager and looked after, and they've remained good friends.
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Right.
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And so when you say there are no actors in it, I uh you never quite know how much is performative or not.
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Are they given a kind of okay, here's your skeleton script?
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You guys are gonna have dinner.
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At one point, you say this, this is gonna inflame it, go.
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And it's everything I hate about life, but in a funny kind of way, I can't stop watching it.
00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:14.400
It's a bit like watching a car crash.
00:26:14.559 --> 00:26:22.960
So Kyle's been in it since the beginning, and uh, I really like her, and she's she's still kind of the same as she was, she's phenomenally affluent.
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They're all fucking crazy rich and obnoxious and foul, and it's it's all rather gaudy, and they all think she's the only one actually that's not that.
00:26:32.799 --> 00:26:37.680
She doesn't kind of um flaunt her wealth, but most of them are just foul.
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And so part of you looks at it in a kind of it's quite Roman, you know, the Colosseum with the lions and throwing them, throwing it, you know, the the jeering on the crowds.
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It's the one thing where I do kind of go, I almost kind of wish for their downfall because they're so hideous.
00:26:52.799 --> 00:26:58.319
And yet at the same time, y you're championing one or two of them because of the bad behaviour of others.
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So it kind of brings out all those things.
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Um and it just follows these these seven women each season.
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There's usually about twenty-two episodes in a season.
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It's huge, it's huge.
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And they'll go on a vacation, they'll go away for the weekend, then they'll go to European City.
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There'll usually be two or three stories simmering throughout like some kind of argument simmering between two of them.
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We'll come to some enormous drama in about episode 14, or something, or somebody's going through divorce.
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Oddly, at the moment, of course very few of them last the course because they become unpopular with viewers, or they get sick of the intrusion in their life, or their ratings drop, or whatever it is, you know.
00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:49.039
It's how what do you mean they how do they know whether they're unpopular with viewers?
00:27:49.119 --> 00:27:50.400
Is there like voting in it or something?
00:27:50.799 --> 00:28:00.079
I think what happens is they just kind of they probably do polls, I would think, and all the producers look at it and go, right, they're not getting a lot of online action or traction, they're getting a lot of traction.
00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:09.200
Kyle's somebody people still champion, they like her, she's brought her four daughters up, she's still got her values, even though she's, you know, phenomenally wealthy from doing this.
00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:16.000
She works as an actress, so she's kind of quite rounded for this crazy kind of millionaire rich woman.
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You see the credits and you see them, and they've all got these mottos like, you know, I didn't marry money, I manifested money.
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It's all that bullshit.
00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:33.440
It's all so it's irritating, and I don't like any of them, and there's a shard and freud to it, but I just can't stop watching it.
00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:34.319
Why though?
00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:46.480
Why do you because as you say, they're all uh horrible people, um, and you probably there must be part where you're thinking, oh fucking hell, you know, what why are these people on the telly?
00:28:46.640 --> 00:28:51.839
And is I what would piss me off would be this isn't real, this isn't real, it's supposed to be real, it's not real.
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I can telescripted somebody's manipulating them.
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Oh, am I being manipulated?
00:28:58.160 --> 00:29:00.319
But so why do you keep going back for more?
00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:01.759
I think it's cleverly done.
00:29:01.839 --> 00:29:12.960
It's a bit like it's a bit like a real-life soap opera, and you know the way the soap opera hooks you in, and there's always a at the end of the episode, there's a cliffhanger, and you kind of go, Oh, I'm gonna have to see what happens.
00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:20.079
Like one of them, Erica Girardi, and she has an altar eager called Erica Jane.
00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:37.519
And Erica Jane is like a real, real, real poor man's Madonna, you know, she's in a Basque and on stage, and she can sing and dance to a degree, and she tours, and she plays G A Y, or she'll play, you know, um some gay festival in fucking palm desert.
00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:39.920
Uh she went into Chicago actually on Broadway.
00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:48.960
She's not untalented, but she was married to um Tom Girardi, who was the lawyer Albert Finney played in Aaron Brockovich.
00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:53.680
Obviously, with that case with Aaron Brockovich, he was a uh a Californian lawyer.
00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:56.000
He became a multi, multi, multi-millionaire.
00:29:56.240 --> 00:29:57.759
She married him, was his wife.
00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:02.160
But it transpires through the years that it was quite a it was quite a coercive marriage.
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And then he's now in prison for embezzlement and tax evasion.
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He's very old, he's much older than her.
00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:12.559
And of course, she's got like a$25 million lawsuit hanging over her head.
00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:22.400
And throughout one season, she's clearly going through this when this crime broke, and it was all the news, and she's this r she was quite revolting about it all, quite broken and hideous.
00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:24.720
And I wondered, were they ever gonna renew her contract?
00:30:24.880 --> 00:30:33.039
But somehow she's come back and she's funny, kind of way, she's a much rounder whole person, even though she's on a reality show.
00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:35.599
So there are people you kind of you get to like.
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I'm not gonna sell it.
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:39.440
I don't want you, it's a guilty pleasure.
00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:41.759
I think it's hideous, it's a bit like crack.
00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:44.880
I don't want you to watch it, I'm not gonna justify me watching it.
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:49.119
But there is there are moments where you do go, Oh, quite like her.
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:51.039
She's a strong woman, she's a survivor.
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:51.680
I quite like her.
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I'm rooting for her, and then there's others where you go, Fucking hell, who's this witch?
00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:00.000
You're pretentious, they're so pretentious.
00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:03.119
And it's interesting what money does to people, isn't it?
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Because they get the longer they stay with the show, the wealthier they get.
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So they've got to be wealthy in the beginning.
00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:15.440
In many ways it's interesting because they think they're championing one another as women.
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:21.039
But they're actually quite I think they're quite destructive as women to women.
00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:22.240
It's quite interesting.
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:25.359
Not that I'm gonna make it anthropological, it doesn't go that deep.
00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:29.519
But they're they're quite um these women fighting in public.
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:32.960
When you say fight, you mean in the American way of fight, like argu.
00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:34.720
Oh, round a table, yeah, they don't fight.
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:35.119
Right.
00:31:35.680 --> 00:31:37.599
Yeah, not not actually fisticuffs or anything.
00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:39.440
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:42.160
Perhaps a glass of wine over one's face, do you know what I mean?
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Oh really?
00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:52.480
What Lisa Rinner, who's married to the actor Harry Hamlin, she once threw a glass of wine over Kyle's sister because Kyle's sister insinuated Harry Hamlin was having an affair.
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Don't you ever go that and like and look you at your mouth's open already, and you can't go.
00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:02.079
And of course, that's the end of the episode, and you go, Oh my god, oh my god, I've got to go back.
00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:05.920
And the whole episode would be like 25 minutes of this screaming at a table.
00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:10.880
And then you then you then you cut to them, you cut to them VT on their own in their house.
00:32:11.119 --> 00:32:13.599
The thing about Kim, she never really listened.
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:15.839
So you g it's intersliced with VTs.
00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:17.839
Oh, it sounds awful.
00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:20.480
It is my big it's my big guilty pleasure.
00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:22.000
Absolutely awful.
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:27.039
In this series, is one of them is being accused of never being there for them all.
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:28.240
She's not authentic.
00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:31.599
Because you never can you never just share with us, you never get angry.
00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:34.960
You never get and she kind of goes, Well, I don't I don't what do you mean I share?
00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:50.240
I share as much as I can share, but you know, you know, womanhood is about sharing and if you're angry, you say you're angry and but they misinterpret authenticity and vulnerability as just being aggressive and nasty and it's um I'm making it sound a lot deeper than it is.
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:56.319
It's just seven fucking women tearing each other apart and then thinking they're unifying each other.
00:32:56.799 --> 00:32:57.599
You see LA.
00:32:58.000 --> 00:32:58.799
That's how it started.
00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:03.920
I just saw LA and went, oh, yeah, I remember that place, and then I just got absolutely drawn in.
00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:14.079
What's interesting of the seven housewives, real housewives of Beverly Hills in season 15, which I'm yet to watch, none of them are married.
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:18.079
They're all going through divorces.
00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:21.839
One of them has a boyfriend and she's trying to have a baby at 50.
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:23.759
Oh, Jesus.
00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:24.880
Yeah, it's all that.
00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:26.799
That's something in itself, isn't it?
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:31.680
And they'll turn up with some handbag, and all of a sudden it'll come the price tag will come up on the screen.
00:33:31.759 --> 00:33:33.119
It's beyond vulgar.
00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:34.559
Oh god.
00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:36.640
But I can't I can't resist it.
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:38.319
Oh, that's just green.
00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:43.279
I think it's everything I hate about wealth, but I can't resist it.
00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:46.480
It's a it's a bit like the Romans throwing the people to the lion.
00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:53.039
You kind of watch them, and that's that awful side of us that kind of quite enjoys their downfall.
00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:56.960
I think I'd feel dirty.
00:33:57.440 --> 00:33:59.359
I think I feel definitely dirty, yeah.
00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:00.960
It's dirty, dirty, dirty.
00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:01.279
Yeah.
00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:03.599
It's one night stand television.
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:04.960
Yeah.
00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:20.079
And um uh not just in one night stands, but um, it's also uh I think they feel they're really in control and on top of it, and you're kind of watching, going, Oh, you're being so played, you're being so manipulated here.
00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:23.199
I've probably done it a disservice, but I just enjoy it.
00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:25.840
Yeah, everything you've said is so negative.
00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:27.679
I love it.
00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:28.960
I can't stop watching.
00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:29.679
Is it?
00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:33.119
It's like a real-life soap opera.
00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:35.280
But that's why people watch soap, if you think about it.
00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:40.159
I don't watch East Enders, but everybody always says to me all they do is shout and fight and kill each other.
00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:43.039
I think soaps are different now though, aren't they?
00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:43.280
Yeah.
00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:53.199
You know, when you think about when we used to watch, I don't know, Coronation Street and East Enders back in the 1980s or whatever, they they weren't massive dramas every week.
00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:57.039
It was all quite bloody boring, actually, a lot of it, wasn't it?
00:34:57.199 --> 00:35:09.440
It was kind of everyday stuff, and somebody might have an affair with somebody else, and you know, they might be but it was it was just the you know everyday kind of goings-on.
00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:23.360
I think it's become a lot more, and I don't know whether that was when they started doing soaps instead of just once or twice a week, like five times a week, and then you have to keep the momentum going, and then you have to be make it more dramatic.
00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:29.280
I mean, I haven't watched either of those programmes for bloody decades.
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:31.280
Donkeys! I used to love them.
00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:37.440
I used to absolutely love Ecenders in Coronation Street, but I haven't watched Eastenders, but I haven't watched either of them for decades.
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:40.480
I stopped watching Eastenders when Anita Dobson left.
00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:42.000
Oh god, that was years ago.
00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:46.239
So you haven't watched it for as long as for much longer than I haven't watched it.
00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:56.000
I may have watched them when there was the gay story with Andrew Linford, um, where he and is it but Martin McCutcheon was the sister of the other guy.
00:35:56.159 --> 00:36:01.920
Andrew directed me in a in a Suntime piece a couple of years later, but I think I might have watched it then.
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:09.679
But the other thing I'm f uh which I find fascinating about this kind of reality show is society that feels they're okay to share everything.
00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:11.039
So I'll give you an example.
00:36:11.199 --> 00:36:13.920
It's a it's a kind of it's a bit of a juxtaposition.
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:19.679
Because there's this character called Dorite who's going through a separation and has filed for divorce from her husband.
00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:23.679
And they were always hideous together, they were always like baby darling, darling, lovely, darling, lovely.
00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:27.199
So I never believed the relationship anyway, but now they're divorcing one surprise.
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:35.360
And she's got two small children, and she's having a real problem with one of the wives, because one of the wives has said, Well, why are you not telling the children?
00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:42.559
And she's like, Well, I'm protecting the children, it's up to me when I tell my children, but aren't you worried about so she's like, Well, uh it's none of your business.
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:51.440
So that's how the routes are and you know, and then everything they do, and then cut to Derete to camera, going, you know, I can't believe she's telling me that I should handle this with my children.
00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:52.400
My children don't need to know.
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:56.159
My children will know when they're older, and I'm thinking, You're on TV, bitch.
00:36:57.519 --> 00:36:58.639
They're gonna know.
00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:05.920
They're gonna go to school and their mums are gonna watch it because one of the kids is in one of the kids in their satin author's classes.
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:09.599
Somebody's gonna come into the school playground and say, Your parents are getting the divorce.
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:12.320
I mean, you're on TV, you stupid cat.
00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:13.679
What are you talking about?
00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:19.440
Yeah, well, I mean, that just makes you sh makes it uh you know obvious how it is all bloody performative, isn't it?
00:37:19.519 --> 00:37:22.400
You know, when you haven't got children.
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:34.079
It's all prompted, and they all live in these fabulous houses, and they're ghastly, but they're huge, bloody, hideous Hollywood mansions, but they think they're fabulous, and um, they're all driving such expensive cars.
00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:45.039
And you kind of know actually, I bet that's just been given to them for the shoot because it pulls up on the camera's on the badge, you know, it's a Porsche or a Bentley or whatever, and you know they probably have to give you back at the end of it.
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:52.639
Yeah, but um it's fantastical, and it's it's gossip, and it's all those terrible things that we love as people.
00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:56.000
Um I'd kind of invested in the characters.
00:37:56.320 --> 00:37:57.760
I like Kyle Richards though.
00:37:57.840 --> 00:37:59.199
I think Kyle's a good egg.
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:00.639
Kyle's a survivor.
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:01.599
I love Kyle.
00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:02.079
Right.
00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:03.280
Go go Kyle.
00:38:03.679 --> 00:38:04.400
Go Kyle.
00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:07.199
So that's my guilty, guilty pleasure.
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:09.199
Yeah, I can imagine you are very guilty about that.
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:13.920
And and when I compare it to mine now, I mean I'm not guilty about the Lego the White Woman.
00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:14.639
I bloody love it.
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:18.719
Oh, you're being you're being a guilty pleasure snob now.
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:27.360
Mine was just like I know that objectively speaking, it's quite a bad film, but I still can't help liking it because of all these reasons.
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:30.800
Whereas yours just sounds, yeah, really dreadful, sorry.
00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:35.920
So, in a way, I win.
00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:37.119
Yes, you win.
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:38.400
I think you've won that one.
00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:40.159
You've definitely got the worst one.
00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:42.079
Not that it was a competition, but you know what?
00:38:42.159 --> 00:38:42.639
What the hell?
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:44.400
Yeah, come on, take it.
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:50.079
Umglish word of the week.
00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:52.559
Wenglish word of the week, I believe it's your turn.
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:54.079
It's me, isn't it?
00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:55.519
Yes, I believe it is.
00:38:55.760 --> 00:38:59.119
We've gone through quite a lot of Wenglish words.
00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:01.039
Yeah, we must be running out now.
00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:03.119
I'm getting to the point now.
00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:09.280
I'm scraping the barrel, the bottom of that barrel, and it's making a loud noise.
00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:14.480
But also I'm thinking anything anybody Welsh that speaks something, it is how Wenglish is that can I use that?
00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:15.119
Is that phrase?
00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:18.800
Um, and so I have come up with a phrase.
00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:28.480
So I do think it qualifies as Wenglish because when I looked up Wenglish today, it was there because of its structure, its sentence structure.
00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:29.039
Right.
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:30.320
And also how it's used.
00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:32.320
But it's all English words.
00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:32.960
Yeah, yeah.
00:39:33.280 --> 00:39:35.199
But it's how we use them, particularly in the van.
00:39:35.679 --> 00:39:36.559
Yes, yeah.
00:39:36.880 --> 00:39:40.480
And in order to sell this, I'm gonna give you a scenario.
00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:41.119
Right.
00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:47.280
I heard this recently in a shop when I was in Wales, and there was a woman waiting in the queue to return something.
00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:54.239
She was obviously quite not nervous, but you know, like, I don't know what it is, whether it's to do with confidence or whatever.
00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:55.840
I would just go up and say hello.
00:39:56.559 --> 00:40:00.239
I'd just discuss it casually with somebody and have no problems in going, I'm returning this.
00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:05.920
Whereas I I sure some people get into a mindset where they go, Well, I don't know if they'll take it back, but I'm not having it, I'm gonna take it back anyway.
00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:06.880
Yeah, but I don't want it.
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:07.599
You know, you know what I mean?
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:08.960
They probably this whole narrative.
00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:10.880
So she was clearly ready for it.
00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:14.159
So she wasn't aggressive, but she was certainly on.
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:17.360
And she stepped up to the uh cashier's desk.
00:40:17.440 --> 00:40:22.480
There was no hello, there was no uh thank you very much, or uh hello over you today.
00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:23.039
There was nothing.
00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:28.719
Literally, she stepped up and went, What it is I knew we were gonna say that.
00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:36.400
What it is and I just what it and I oh I for that I couldn't take my eyes off.
00:40:36.639 --> 00:40:38.559
I just love what it is, see?
00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:40.079
I bought this, right?
00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:45.840
And it don't fit me, and I know it's like over 28 days, but I don't I want to bring it back.
00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:55.599
I don't know why why do people feel the need to say to preface any conversation with what it is?
00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:58.559
Yeah, it's it's really strange.
00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:02.960
And I think it is exactly when you were gonna say that when you had the scenario of somebody bringing something back.
00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:05.199
I thought I bet it's gonna be that.
00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:06.719
And I think it is Wenglish.
00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:16.480
I think it's very much, you know, we've always said with our podcast Wenglish is very much tied up, particularly in our part of the world, in the the valleys in South Wales.
00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:20.079
I think it's very much a Wenglish sentence.
00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:24.639
Yeah, I don't know whether it would be said anywhere else.
00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:31.119
I can't think of hearing it anywhere else, I can't imagine it in a different accent other than a South Welsh accent.
00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:32.719
What it is.
00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:34.000
What it is C.
00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:42.079
What it is C, and it's usually a C as well as it's usually a C, and she was just she wasn't rude, but she was ready for war just in case.
00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:43.199
Yeah.
00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:44.480
What it is C.
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:47.360
There was no hello, nothing.
00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:48.000
Yeah.
00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:52.480
Um, somebody I used to work with, um Helen Green.
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:55.760
If Helen Green is listening, oh I loved Helen Green, she's fat.
00:41:56.079 --> 00:41:57.519
Uh, I haven't seen her for a long, long time.
00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:01.119
Anyway, her husband, I think, was a photographer and had his own business.
00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:05.679
And she used to say that people used to ring him up, what it is on the phone.
00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:06.559
What it is.
00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:08.719
Well, but literally you pick up the phone.
00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:13.280
Yeah, pick up the pick up the phone and instead of oh hello, you know, I this is what I'm after.
00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:15.920
What it is, see, and they do it on your phone.
00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:17.519
Yeah, we used to laugh about that.
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:18.239
I love it.
00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:18.800
I love it.
00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:20.400
Yeah, I love it.
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:23.760
And also the sentence structure, what it is.
00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:24.880
Yeah.
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:27.679
What it is, and and the C bit as well.
00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:28.800
Oh, C.
00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:30.400
What it is, C is lovely.
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:31.679
I love it, I love it.
00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:32.719
It is good.
00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:38.159
So I think it does fit neatly into English, even though it's but they're English words.
00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:45.519
The structure, the way it's used is so um indicative of this part of the world.
00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:48.800
Um and again, it's probably one of those.
00:42:48.960 --> 00:42:49.920
We've talked about that.
00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:58.000
There are some English words that just are uh they transcend class or status or demographic.
00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:02.960
This sentence, I think, is very you can kind of almost tell.
00:43:03.119 --> 00:43:10.400
Um not on educational level, but it's a certain background of individual or people that would use it.
00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:11.760
What it is, see?
00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:14.880
Yeah.
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:18.960
Maybe somebody who's not necessarily confident in expressing themselves.
00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:20.079
Exactly that.
00:43:20.239 --> 00:43:21.360
Um, very clearly.
00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:22.719
Exactly that.
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:24.559
Lacking in confidence.
00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:28.000
I'm perhaps struggling for the words as well, but you like that one.
00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:29.199
Yeah, I do.
00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:29.920
Yeah, yeah.
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:33.679
I can see it coming in my laugh as soon as you started giving me the scenario.
00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:36.960
Oh, I love Tier.
00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:39.519
So there's my Wangish word of the week.
00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:50.079
So your cultural event of the week, dear lady, seeing as we've um you kind of skirted culture, I then ripped culture away with the realise hers of Everly Hills.
00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:51.119
Culture less.
00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:52.480
Let's bring it back.
00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:53.679
Yeah, okay.
00:43:53.840 --> 00:43:57.199
Well, my I I think mine is quite mine's quite niche.
00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:01.280
I would say mine's a niche cultural thing, and I might have Do a lot of explanation.
00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:02.480
So here goes.
00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:11.920
Um, so I went um on a walk on the weekend um around a part of Brigenda which I've never been to before, which is ridiculous.
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:19.199
You know, I've lived here for like getting on for well over 30 years now, and they're still part of the borough that I've not visited.
00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:21.039
So I went to a place called Shanghaina.
00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:21.760
Okay.
00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:36.559
So Shanghaina is like um a little village, um, it's got a sort of modern bit which is on the on a main road, and then you go up a little windy, windy, windy, windy, and then you've got the original old core of the village, and essentially it's a couple of farms, a pub, and a church.
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:39.840
Um, and then you can walk up onto the hills from there.
00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:46.880
So we were going for a walk, you see, but um with the idea of stopping off in the pub for a drink or something on the way back.
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:50.880
And I saw this church, I thought, oh, hello, a nice hilltop medieval church.
00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:51.760
Let's go and have a look.
00:44:51.920 --> 00:45:04.320
So I was wandering around, and it's one of these lovely higgledy-piggledy ones where there's just all the gravestones are really chock a block together and they're all at different angles, and it hasn't been, you know, kind of all manicured and tarted up and everything.
00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:18.400
So I was having a wander around the church itself was locked, so I was having a wander around the graveyard, and I saw something which I've never seen in Wales before, and I've only ever seen in Scotland, and I haven't seen many of them in Scotland.
00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:22.239
And that thing, Morgan, was a mort safe.
00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:26.960
And I was so excited to see a mort safe.
00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:28.639
Do you know what a mort safe is?
00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:29.920
I do not.
00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:35.280
So a mort safe is an iron cage, essentially.
00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:44.880
Um, and they come in different forms, but essentially, what it is is an iron cage which is put over a grave, right?
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:47.119
A new burial.
00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:47.679
Right.
00:45:47.920 --> 00:46:01.440
Um, and so it sort of covers the grave and goes down into the ground, and it prevents grave robbers from reaching the body.
00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:12.000
So they are very specific in time to a kind of the late 18th, early 19th century, when grave robbing was a thing.
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:26.159
Um, because they needed to take the corpses, they would get money for the corpses and sell them to an anatomy students because you couldn't have um you couldn't do anatomy or anything other than a corpse, anything other than a corpse.
00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:27.920
Yeah, obviously we added.
00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:33.599
But the the supply of corpses was from executed criminals.
00:46:33.760 --> 00:46:44.639
That was the only legitimate supply of corpses to um schools of medicine, universities teaching medicine and anatomy to students, um, was these executed corpse uh corpses.
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:52.239
Um and of course, you know, they just didn't have enough of them, even though there were lots of people being executed in the late 18th and early 19th centuries.
00:46:52.400 --> 00:47:16.880
Um so it they had these what you know, body snatchers, they're often known as, in the time they were known as resurrection men, who then would kind of basically you know keep an eye out for burials, and then they would wait until everybody'd gone home after the after the funeral, hang around at night and hoike the corpse out, and then take it to the to the anatomy schools.
00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:35.840
So two of the most um prestigious anatomy schools were in Glasgow and Edinburgh, and therefore mort safes are quite a common thing in those cities and in the sort of hinterlands of those cities, but you know, there was no anatomy school, there was no medical school in Wales.
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:44.159
So you don't expect body snatching to be a thing in Wales because the whole point of taking them out of the grave once they've been buried was that they were fresh.
00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:50.079
And the whole point of the mortsafe was to make it impossible to get to the body while it was still fresh enough to use.
00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:58.960
Um, I know, and after a couple of weeks, the body would have gone beyond the point at which it was safe to use for the anatomists, so that they'd be interested in it.
00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:08.639
So, why the hell this mortsafe appeared over this grave in an out-of-the-way hilltop churchyard in South Wales?
00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:10.800
I have absolutely no idea.
00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:13.039
It's it's really intrigued me.
00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:14.639
Really, really intrigued me.
00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:18.000
And Tom, Tom was suggesting maybe it's just decorative.
00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:22.159
Well, okay, it might be just decorative, but I've never seen anything like that either, you know.
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:29.679
And as you know, I do like mooching around a graveyard, and I've mooched around many, um, and I've never seen anything like it.
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:32.079
So it was just like a hooped.
00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:36.159
Um, if you can imagine, you know, like the hoops around a barrel.
00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:36.559
Yeah.
00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:39.840
Okay, the iron hoop hoops around a barrel.
00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:41.519
It was a bit like that.
00:48:41.679 --> 00:48:50.079
So it's just like there's a, you know, the the sort of hoops are going over the grave, and there was a kind of central kind of spine to it.
00:48:50.320 --> 00:48:53.280
So like almost like a spine with ribs coming out, you know.
00:48:53.360 --> 00:49:02.000
So it's just basically this sort of curved, hooped cage put over the the length of the grave so that you can't you can't get into it essentially.
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:06.320
But yeah, I've never seen anything like it at all in Wales before.
00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:11.280
So whether it is a genuine mortar safe, if I saw it in Scotland, I'd think straight away or mortsafe.
00:49:11.440 --> 00:49:22.880
Um, but uh I can't see the need for them in Wales because we didn't have anywhere you could safely and quickly, you know, sell a body to.
00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:24.800
So it's very strange.
00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:41.920
And the grave itself, they weren't the the names there weren't any names of particular notoriety or um, you know, any sort of particular established family whereby the bodies would have been.
00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:42.960
I don't know, I don't know.
00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:44.079
No, this is the thing.
00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:48.079
So the gravestone itself was very, very worn.
00:49:48.320 --> 00:49:49.119
Yeah, you couldn't read it.
00:49:49.360 --> 00:49:55.280
And I could only make out the fact that it was the grave of a woman because it had the word uh guray on there.
00:49:55.360 --> 00:49:56.960
So it was the inscription was in Welsh.
00:49:57.119 --> 00:49:57.360
Right.
00:49:57.599 --> 00:50:00.159
Um and the word gri was on there, which means wife.
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:03.440
So it was the the grave of the wife of somebody or other.
00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:11.039
So that's or so now my head is going now, my my little mind is going, ooh, ooh, what were they worried about?
00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:11.760
Ooh, ooh, ooh.
00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:17.280
Maybe they thought she was a vampire, maybe they thought maybe they were trying to keep her in rather than people out.
00:50:18.320 --> 00:50:36.800
I mean, forgive me if it's uh uh a crass question, but were people often buried with artifacts or with uh sort of jewelry or riches or anything, you know, uh from their estate, and they and this person was uh from a well-known wealthy estate, and therefore they wanted to make it.
00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:43.199
It was a very um modest gravestone, so they were much bigger, more ostentatious gravestones in the graveyard.
00:50:43.280 --> 00:50:47.199
It's one of the least ostentatious, actually, it was just a very plain headstone.
00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:54.719
So that you know, they couldn't have been a very wealthy family, and in general, um, Christian burials don't have grave goods anyway.
00:50:54.880 --> 00:50:59.039
I mean, now we might put a few keepsakes in a coffin or whatever, like photographs or something like that.
00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:02.800
But you, you know, or maybe there might be a wedding ring there.
00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:09.280
But no, you wouldn't expect you you didn't tend to have people robbing graves to to steal from the dead.
00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:13.039
You want them the the dead had to be stolen, stolen themselves.
00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:37.760
And in fact, grave robbers themselves, the the resurrection men, they would be very careful to just take the body, so they'd even leave the shroud because or or any kind of nightwear or you know uh clothing that the that the um the dead person was wearing, because you there was no law preventing the theft of a body, but there is a law preventing the theft of clothing.
00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:44.079
They could be convicted for stealing the shroud because that had a value.
00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:46.559
Um but the body doesn't have a financial value.
00:51:46.719 --> 00:52:01.039
So there's not not actually any that they weren't necessarily obviously they were breaking the law, but um they couldn't be done for for theft because you know theft was a hanging offence in itself, if it was over the if the goods were over a certain value.
00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:19.280
Could it not be something as and again, we're not gonna get the part, we're not gonna know this, but something as mundane as during the time of the death of this woman, grave robbing was was quite a kind of you know um an established activity, and therefore this particular family wanted to make sure they prevented it and just put a cage there.
00:52:19.519 --> 00:52:20.800
Yeah, I mean, who knows?
00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:22.000
Who uh who knows?
00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:23.119
And we can't even tell.
00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:26.400
I can't even tell the age of the grave because it's all worn off, you know.
00:52:26.559 --> 00:52:44.880
So if it if it is a a mort safe, I would expect it to be earlier than the 1830s, because that's when they passed a law to legalize um, you know, that you could anatomize paupers and that kind of thing, then people who died in poor houses and um weren't weren't claimed by their families.
00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:53.039
Um so it it sort of took the market away from the grave robbers, and so these mortsafes and things died out.
00:52:53.119 --> 00:53:00.400
But it was a proper you know, the whole thing was a real kind of fear in areas where there were schools of anatomy.
00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:14.639
So, like I said, Glasgow, Edinburgh, London, um, there were lots of attempts there to kind of you know outwit the grave robbers and prevent and even had things like cemetery guns with tripwires.
00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:21.519
So that if you were wandering around in a cemetery in the middle of the night, you you could get shot by this automatic, you know, like cemetery gun kind of thing.
00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:26.239
Yeah, it's fascinating history, the history of grave robbing.
00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:37.280
But yeah, to so to see something like that in this really out-of-the-way place, just I was really intrigued.
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:42.719
And you know, if only I could identify the name of the person on the grave, then you'd have something to go on, wouldn't you?
00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:45.599
You know, but it's all worn away, unfortunately.
00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:48.079
There we are.
00:53:48.239 --> 00:53:53.199
Anyway, so that was a rather macabre cultural moment of the week, but that's me or a bucket.
00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:56.960
Yeah, and I think you should uh I think you should dig deeper to find out why.
00:53:57.280 --> 00:53:58.000
Quite literally.
00:53:58.639 --> 00:54:00.639
Quite literally, excuse the metaphor, yeah.
00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:04.320
So what's your cultural moment, my darling?
00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:07.360
So mine uh also takes place in Wales.
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:12.480
Uh we Mike and I took my parents away this weekend just gone.
00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:23.760
Um, and they haven't been away for quite a while, and we couldn't have chosen a better weekend where that was just so Mediterranean.
00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:25.440
And we took them to Pembrokeshire.
00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:32.960
A very dear friend of ours, Karen, has a house um just up from Newgale Beach.
00:54:33.119 --> 00:54:42.960
I know you will know this really well, in um just uh north west of Hereford West, on the St David's Road, uh in a little place called Roach.
00:54:43.599 --> 00:54:46.079
So we went and stayed there for four nights.
00:54:46.320 --> 00:54:48.800
Beautiful house, really lovely, lovely, lovely time.
00:54:48.960 --> 00:54:58.320
And one of the things I'd wanted to do for a while and kept promising my mum, because my mum paints, is we'll go to Knapp Fisher's gallery.
00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:02.639
So the artist John Knapp Fisher, are you familiar with John Napisher?
00:55:02.800 --> 00:55:04.159
I'm not actually, no.
00:55:04.639 --> 00:55:12.320
So Knapp Fisher is uh he passed in 2015, I believe.
00:55:13.039 --> 00:55:17.440
Uh born in he's a Londoner, born in 1931.
00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:21.280
Uh but uh very inspired by the works of Cuffin Williams.
00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:21.920
Yeah.
00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:24.880
I think a sort of contemporary to Graham Sutherland.
00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:26.719
So very inspired.
00:55:26.880 --> 00:55:33.280
Uh came down uh to uh Wales in the 60s, fell in love with Pembrokeshire.
00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:48.159
And uh in 1967 he opened his uh studio and his gallery, which is a tiny one-level uh workers' cottage on the St David's Peninsula in a place called Croix Gorge.
00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:50.960
It's a Trivigan Cottage.
00:55:51.039 --> 00:56:11.440
Uh it's a Havford West address, but it's quite a way up from Havford West Um on the way to St David's, and it's this tiny little I think they've gone back quite far now, him and his partner, and it's obviously got you know doors leading to wherever, and there's but from the front of it is this tiny little yellow cottage, and this was his studio and his home.
00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:14.159
And a lot of his original works are still there.
00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:19.760
Yeah, all I can say is it's very if you know Cuffin Williams, it's very uh we've got a couple of his prints here.
00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:29.679
So you'll have these wonderful sort of dramatic paintings of the Pembrokeshire coastline, and perhaps a lone white cottage on a hill.
00:56:29.920 --> 00:56:35.599
Or you'll have um obviously inspired by Temby or um Solva.
00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:43.519
You'll have small roads leading down to the coast, and you'll have the harbour in the distance and the white cottages, and perhaps one singular figure.
00:56:43.679 --> 00:56:44.480
Um I love them.
00:56:44.559 --> 00:56:49.920
I found them really, really um evocative and very much of that area.
00:56:50.239 --> 00:57:10.000
Lots of paintings of the you know, as you go north in Pembrokeshire and you go you've got the Priscilla's uh in the east, and then you've got as you're going up to Woody Peter, Cardigan up there, you've got the sort of mountain range there, and lots of paintings of those vistas and sort of seas and stormy weather and very dark skies.
00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:18.480
Um and it was lovely to go there, and his partner Jill uh still runs it, and it's quite interesting because it's it's incredibly well.
00:57:19.119 --> 00:57:22.000
The cottage is a you know, it's an old workman's cottage.
00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:24.239
It's very near uh the sloop.
00:57:24.719 --> 00:57:34.159
And the sloop is a pub just down in the harbour, just down the road from the gallery, and there's uh remnants of an old brick factory.
00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:38.960
So you've got all the workers' cottages there, which would have worked there in the 19th century, creating bricks.
00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:43.440
So it's it obviously it was like a tiny little industrial area on the coast.
00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:50.800
But Jill has the sort of poshest of London accents, but it's uh uh just very of the earth now.
00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:58.000
You know, I I bought uh I bought a book there uh uh for my friend and um just sort of held up the the twin tune.
00:57:58.079 --> 00:58:00.320
She's like marvellous, this'll get the asparagus.
00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:07.199
I'm eating asparagus tonight, this'll get me loads of asparagus, slightly sort of eccentric but wonderful and so welcoming.
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:10.239
And got her spaniel ziggy stardust there.
00:58:11.519 --> 00:58:23.519
But lots of his original work, and there's some wonderful things where he's there was one print which we loved, quite expensive, where he'd obviously come to the end of an art book, you know, with a spiral down through the centre.
00:58:24.480 --> 00:58:33.039
And he just drew this beautiful landscape of the seashore, and it went the entire page, so the spiral is in the middle of the painting.
00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:33.440
Oh, yeah.
00:58:33.599 --> 00:58:37.119
And it's being framed and on the wall there, and yeah, just really lovely.
00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:39.199
I've always been a a real admirer of his work.
00:58:39.280 --> 00:58:44.159
So we took my mum there because she she paints quite similarly to him.
00:58:44.719 --> 00:58:49.760
A lot of watercolours, um, and some acrylics, but uh yeah, it was lovely.
00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:54.400
Really, I would urge anybody who's in that area who's into art to go to his uh galleries in colour.
00:58:54.559 --> 00:58:55.599
Oh I'll have to check him out.
00:58:55.679 --> 00:58:56.400
I've never heard of him.
00:58:56.719 --> 00:58:58.320
Tiny again?
00:58:58.719 --> 00:59:00.320
John Knapp Fisher.
00:59:00.639 --> 00:59:02.960
K-N-A-P P Fisher.
00:59:03.920 --> 00:59:04.239
Yeah.
00:59:04.400 --> 00:59:05.119
Oh, I love it.
00:59:05.360 --> 00:59:05.920
Londoner.
00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:08.000
He opened his gallery there in 67.
00:59:08.559 --> 00:59:09.119
Right.
00:59:09.760 --> 00:59:10.960
It's from away, as they say.
00:59:11.360 --> 00:59:13.679
It's from away, and he settled him but just fell in love with Pembroke.
00:59:14.400 --> 00:59:15.920
He's come from away, I'll see.
00:59:16.639 --> 00:59:22.159
Um, but really evocative of that area, that white he really captures the wildness of the land.
00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:25.679
Yeah, Pembrokeshire's lovely, isn't it?
00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:28.239
Yeah, it's beautiful, and we had a beautiful week.
00:59:28.639 --> 00:59:29.920
Weekend, long weekend.
00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:31.039
It was absolutely beautiful.
00:59:31.280 --> 00:59:33.199
The weather was just the sunset.
00:59:33.679 --> 00:59:34.079
Yeah.
00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:39.039
You forget because uh like you, we've both got a family down there.
00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:43.119
You've your uh husband's family is down there, and mum Michael's from there.
00:59:43.360 --> 00:59:48.880
Um so we go there a lot all through the year, and many a time you're there and it's pissing down, isn't it?
00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:51.440
Oh yeah, usually, and bloody windy.
00:59:51.679 --> 00:59:52.239
And windy.
00:59:52.559 --> 00:59:55.920
But you forget when it's sunny there, there's so much sky there.
00:59:56.079 --> 00:59:56.239
Yeah.
00:59:56.559 --> 00:59:59.440
I know that sounds mad, but it's just so much space.
00:59:59.679 --> 01:00:00.159
Yeah.
01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:02.960
And the weather is so important in places like that.
01:00:03.199 --> 01:00:03.920
Yeah, yeah.
01:00:04.159 --> 01:00:05.039
Oh, definitely.
01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:13.599
Yeah, I mean, that's the place I went to on the weekend, my you know, I was like, oh my god, this is heaven, this is paradise, and then thinking, yeah, actually, if it was raining, it wouldn't be so great.
01:00:13.679 --> 01:00:14.960
It'd be very bleak.
01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:17.760
So it's the weather, definitely.
01:00:18.079 --> 01:00:24.159
But uh, if you're down in Pembrokeshire, North Pembrokeshire, uh, and you're going to St David's on the way, stop off at Kroyskor.
01:00:24.400 --> 01:00:26.880
It's literally a crossroads, it's a one-horse town.
01:00:27.039 --> 01:00:40.239
Go and see John Abfisher's gallery, and then afterwards, just literally opposite the cottage, down the lane, go down to the sloop for a wonderful fish and chip lunch on the harbour.
01:00:40.559 --> 01:00:42.239
Oh god, that sounds perfect!
01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:43.119
Yep.
01:00:43.519 --> 01:00:46.000
That does sound absolutely perfect.
01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:47.280
Oh, lovely.
01:00:47.599 --> 01:00:49.840
That was our that was one of our days last weekend.
01:00:50.159 --> 01:00:51.440
Very nice.
01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:53.519
And that wouldn't be so bad as good.
01:00:53.599 --> 01:00:54.639
That would be so good as good.
01:00:54.880 --> 01:00:55.840
That's so good.
01:00:56.000 --> 01:00:56.719
It's good.
01:00:57.039 --> 01:00:58.639
So good, it's even better.
01:00:58.880 --> 01:01:01.199
And it's I'm thinking how eclectic we are, you know.
01:01:01.280 --> 01:01:06.559
We've had a shit horror by Ken Russell, who I think is probably a bit of a misogynist.
01:01:06.800 --> 01:01:17.840
We've got a dreadful and yet hugely successful reality franchise that is all about women and yet kind of negates women and shows them in the worst light.
01:01:18.239 --> 01:01:18.559
Yeah.
01:01:18.960 --> 01:01:21.599
We've had a what period would you call it?
01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:22.480
Victorian?
01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:24.400
For my more safe.
01:01:24.559 --> 01:01:24.800
Yeah.
01:01:25.119 --> 01:01:27.199
Or potentially Regency, maybe?
01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:28.079
Late 80s.
01:01:28.639 --> 01:01:32.480
Regency uh contraption to stop grave theft.
01:01:32.719 --> 01:01:33.199
Mm-hmm.
01:01:33.599 --> 01:01:36.320
And then we've got an art gallery and a pub lunch.
01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:37.119
Lovely.
01:01:37.280 --> 01:01:38.800
I mean, we're giving it all, yeah.
01:01:38.960 --> 01:01:41.039
We uh it's something for all tastes.
01:01:41.360 --> 01:01:42.559
All tastes, I think.
01:01:42.800 --> 01:01:43.840
Yes, yeah.
01:01:44.159 --> 01:01:45.199
Come one, come all.
01:01:45.360 --> 01:01:46.079
Come one, come all.
01:01:46.159 --> 01:01:47.119
It's a big court.
01:01:47.280 --> 01:01:48.400
Try it on.
01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:52.880
Lovely to see you, my love.
01:01:53.440 --> 01:01:57.360
Lovely to see you as well, and I shall see you next time.
01:01:57.679 --> 01:02:01.039
Next time when we'll have another whose court is that jacket, old friends.
01:02:01.280 --> 01:02:01.760
Newcomers.
01:02:03.599 --> 01:02:03.840
Hello.