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Welcome to the Whiskey Chasers, where we talk about our passion for whiskey and its history, either amongst ourselves or while interviewing distilleries.
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All while enjoying a glass.
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I'm Steve.
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I'm Nick.
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And I'm Chris.
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Please enjoy responsibly while enjoying this week's episode of The Whiskey Chasers.
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Have you guys ever had rat rays?
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I I I've heard of it.
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I may have had some at some point, but I don't really recall.
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They have a few different offerings, but their red rap re rap-ri I have some of it will have to crack that open at some point.
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It's like one of the best English blends out there, I think.
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It's not super like strong, strong smoke, but it's just good.
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It's just good.
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I got a lot of things I want to say.
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It looks like white wine.
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It does.
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It reminds me of a few different things.
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Exclusively crafted for Von Foss by Stuart Lang.
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Vom Foss.
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V-O-M.
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Newer F.
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I did uh I did try to figure out how to maybe start a franchise of this thing because it's around in the US now.
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So we'll talk a little bit about that.
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They're trying to do their thing.
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They left Kansas City, apparently.
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Or they moved out of the plaza.
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Which uh that was cool.
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That was a cool little shop.
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As I just groaned to pick up my lighter making some dead noises and groan.
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That's what it is.
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What is that?
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Yeah, and so we'll start uh offering up some questions and stuff.
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Because we we have been told that we don't talk to you guys enough, uh, or like engage with our audience.
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We we talk to each other quite a bit.
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We do talk to each other quite a bit.
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So this is a way we can do it.
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And it was a free thing that we could do through Buzz Sprout.
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It was a cool, it was like a cool new feature that they have.
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So it's one place to send us a message, it's nice and easy.
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It just it's just a text.
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So there you go.
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Well, when you're starting off, you don't know what your audience is.
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You don't even have one, so yeah, that's good.
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That's a sign that we have an audience.
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We do have an audience, we do have an audience, and we also have a guest on the podcast, a recurring guest.
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Yes, we have Ryan back on uh for our uh Scotch series.
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Ryan's a big scotch guy, and uh pipes, everyone that is enjoying and partaking in a pipe should be a fun series to try to pair pipe tobacco with, too.
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Yeah, and we're smoking a good one.
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What are what are you smoking?
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Fresh tin.
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Well, I should say an old tin that was freshly popped of gaslight by GLPs.
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Now, every time I hear gaslight, I think of gaslighting someone.
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Is that what this you should think about old England instead?
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Think about the old gaslights cobblestones, England, dreary weather, like iron gas lights.
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That makes way more sense.
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Uh operated by gas and their lights.
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Yeah, that is not like the name of us at all.
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Yeah, the usage of the of the term in that way actually comes from a movie.
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Have you seen Gaslight the movies?
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I haven't.
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No, I know the term, but I didn't know it came from a movie.
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I didn't know that.
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Yeah, there's like an old movie from you know the I don't know, 30s, 40s, something like that, uh, where a woman becomes concerned that her husband is a murderer, I believe.
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And so she's she's you know, afraid, becoming afraid of him in the situation, and he's like reassuring her that everything's fine and stuff like that.
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Meanwhile, suspicious things are happening and stuff like that.
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So, because of that movie called Gaslight, they see I heard I heard the term came from way back in the day when there were gaslights, what husbands would do to cause hysteria in women, where they would turn the light down, and then the wife would come in and say, Did you turn the light down?
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And the husband would say, No, you did that.
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So it's all just a silly prank?
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Yeah, well, it started with a prank.
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It was it's it's actually so bored.
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It's a form, it's a form of abuse, and that's why people use it now.
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That term gaslight, it's a form of abuse, they say, but it's basically to make your partner, significant other, whoever it is, feel like they're going crazy to a point where they become hysterical or you know, and you can put them in the nut house, basically.
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So it was a way of of abusing somebody, I guess.
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That's why they use that term gaslight.
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Now, so you're gaslighting me, you mean you're tricking me, you're you're telling me, hey, you're going crazy.
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You're going crazy.
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You know what I mean?
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But so I don't know if the term comes from the movie or if the movie came from the term and and utilized the term to make the movie, and then it became popular and became even more popular.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, maybe that term is very popular right now.
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I appreciate how it's a popular term.
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It's it's not something that you should be doing or saying.
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Like it's not like a good thing, but it's a very popular thing to do.
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Not to do, or talk about other people doing to accuse people of.
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It is that is mischievous though, like to like unlock the door, then oh, did you uh unlock the door?
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No, you you did that.
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No, I don't know.
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The door was, yeah.
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It's never been locked.
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You never locked it.
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What do you mean?
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Oh no, I locked it.
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No, you didn't.
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You know what I mean?
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Like stuff like that.
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Yeah, yeah.
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What are we drinking today?
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Oh, uh, we're smoking gaslight, right?
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And we're drinking uh cragabus.
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No, we're not.
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Gaslight.
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That was a good one.
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I literally sat there and was like, wait, I poured myself this.
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Is no one else drinking this too?
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What did I pour?
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Honestly, I'm a little concerned because Steve, you were really good at that.
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No, you were practice.
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You've had practice, that face, like you've had some practice doing that.
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That that was the definition of it.
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That was good.
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All right.
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So Cragabus.
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That was fantastic.
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Thank you.
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I mean, you got all three of us.
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We all just sat there like, oh.
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We were like, well, I thought for sure, are we not?
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Could have sworn the bottle sitting right in front of me, and I still questioned it.
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I was like, wait, what?
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A serious face can do a lot.
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Damn.
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Yeah, so Cragabus.
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Which Ryan brought this next, right?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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So you have a story about this bottle.
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It's a big story.
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I do.
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Yeah.
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Okay, so this was my recommendation.
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So back in the day, like I don't know, I moved to Columbus in 2016.
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So 2014, 2015.
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I was living in Kansas City, and on the plaza they had a store called Vom Foss, B-O-M, F-A-S-S.
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And they had all kinds of stuff that is stored in casks.
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So that's the that's kind of their gimmick or whatever.
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So they got all kinds of like balsamic vinegars and and olive oils and all these different things, uh, many different flavors of those.
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Um, but they also have liquors, and so they had like absinthe and they had a variety of different things.
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Well, they had scotches as well.
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So one day I went in and I I said, I want to taste the pediest, smokiest thing you've got.
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And so they would give you like not like a shot, but like in a little shot glass, they give you a little taste.
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So you could have like a couple of sips and sample whatever you're whatever it was.
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So so the guy's like, all right, here it is.
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He brings it out.
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I take, I take it back, and it it I I just about fell on the floor.
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It was like it was like pipe juice, it was so potent, it was overpowering.
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Like melted your mind.
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Oh yeah, oh yeah.
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It was like uh I I've described it in different ways, but like it's like you go out and you're fishing for a bluegill and you get jaws instead.
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Like it was, it was just like so much so much more powerful than what I ever imagined a scotch could be.
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So yeah, after uh I picked myself up back up off the floor.
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This has kind of gone down in my in my memory as like a legendary scotch.
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Well, they handed out these little business card advertisements for the for the different things that they offered.
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And so I got this card, Cragabus, and I've cut I'm starting to question myself.
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I don't know.
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I but I I've always associated that card with the scotch that I tasted.
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And for a long time I never questioned it.
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I'm like, Cragabus, that's the thing that I that I had that like blew me away.
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And so when I when I joined the club, I found you guys were scotch lovers.
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I'm like, oh, have you heard of this?
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This legendary thing.
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And nobody had.
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And so I don't know, a year and a half went by, and and finally I I was like, hey, do you guys want to go in on a bottle of this?
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Because it's like$130.
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And I was, I mean, I'll never, I'll I'll probably never do that on my own, you know.
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So Nick and Chris said, yeah, let's do it.
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Because I hyped it up to them too.
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So I I went to the Vom Foss website.
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I don't know of any other place that sells it, it's not in stores in uh in liquor stores.
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Uh so I ordered it from their website and it came and here it is, and I have steadfastly resisted opening it and trying it until this moment.
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So we're all gonna try it together and we're gonna see if my memory was was right or not.
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Or as Nick kind of suggested before, has has maybe more experience with Scotch changed the way I experience this now.
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But I I I don't remember the first time I had Lafroy, but I'm I'm like 99% sure I had it before before this because I would not have even known to ask for peaty smoky scotch unless I already knew I liked PD Smoky Scotch.
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I I I had to have had LaFroy at some point.
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I just don't really have a good memory of it.
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Probably because I wouldn't have I may have bought like one bottle before leaving Kansas City, but at the time that was out of my price range.
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So you probably had had PD scotch before this.
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Oh yes, I definitely would have had.
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Yeah, and you were looking for more and more and more you got this.
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You almost bid off more and you could chew, kind of a thing.
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Oh, it was.
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And now you want to re recreate that memory.
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Oh yeah, it was just that really potent pipe juice.
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Like, I can't believe this is for consumption.
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You know, this is like I uh yeah, it feels like communion right now.
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We haven't nobody has sipped this yet.
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It was like senior glass being drop-kicked across the room.
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Right, and according to the notes on this, like on their little tag, that this scotch is the epitome of Isla, a blend exclusively crafted for Von Foss by Stuart Lang.
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Young LaFroig gives the typical Pete Punch of the Island, whereas mature peats from cola lay, cola la?
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Cola?
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I like cola la.
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I don't know if that's it, but it sounds great.
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Let's go with that one.
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Cola?
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Yeah.
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Balmor and Ardbeg distillery provide smoothness and body.
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The cherry on top is a little dash of the extremely rare Port Ellen distillery, adding a great deal of complexity.
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So they're just mixing scotches together and then putting it in a putting it in a cask, and then okay.
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Now we have all smelled this now.
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It's opened up.
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Okay.
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Can you smell it again?
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Because when I first poured it, I didn't smell anything.
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And now it's cheatiness now.
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I thought this was straight grape juice.
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Yeah.
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I thought apple juice.
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Yeah, it's it smelled like uh like Mott's apple juice.
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It looks like a the the the white grape juice or a or a white wine.
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But as it's sad here, it's opened up and I can.
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I can smell it.
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Yeah, you can smell the.
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You can really smell it now, but not when we first poured it, which is weird.
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I could I really couldn't smell anything when I first poured it.
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Now it's really like I can really smell it.
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The color is so light.
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I mean, that's another thing that made me a little bit worried when it finally came.
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I was like, shoot, that is way too light to be the Petey Smoky Terror of the Deep.
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Almost the color of vinegar.
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Like yeah, yeah, it's like lighter.
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I mean, Pete Monster is light, but this is lighter than Pete Monster.
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Can it actually be?
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I think it might be because I'm getting way more off the nose now than I was.
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It's mostly young LaFroig.
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So that's it's like 80% young LaFroig.
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So that's the time.
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I can't wait anymore.
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I'm gonna try it.
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Okay, let's here we go.
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Cheers.
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It's mostly in the back end.
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It's peeny.
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Oh, and then there's a third phase.
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There it is.
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There it is.
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Yeah, yeah, it sneaks up at the end.
00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:10.320
It really creeps up on you.
00:14:10.720 --> 00:14:11.440
Yeah, it's really good.
00:14:11.679 --> 00:14:12.399
Praise God.
00:14:12.480 --> 00:14:17.440
I thought I was like afraid I was gonna I hype this up and then it would be like lame.
00:14:17.679 --> 00:14:20.799
It's got a very long finish, almost irony at the end.
00:14:21.039 --> 00:14:25.759
Yeah, it's like uh it's like you're lighting a fire, and the very end is the smoke coming out of the chimney.
00:14:25.840 --> 00:14:33.679
Like it's just coming back up from the creep creosote and feel vindicated, but but I don't feel like I've got jaws on the end of my line.
00:14:33.840 --> 00:14:47.600
It's kind of sulf sulfuridic, like match heads, a little bit, like like like a match head, like sulfur match heads in a good way, like when you light up a pipe, but you take a whiff of the match, but you know, as you're lighting it, yeah, yeah.
00:14:47.679 --> 00:14:50.240
Oh, it's good, it's got a lot of different layers.
00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:53.360
It has a ton of layers, ton of things going on.
00:14:53.840 --> 00:14:54.960
Yes, I'm so happy.
00:14:55.200 --> 00:14:59.200
Now, this is privately like blended just for them kind of thing.
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There are multiple locations.
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They specialize in things in casks.
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That's their that's kind of their motto.
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If it's in a cask, we got it.
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You guys got hot dogs?
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Yeah, maybe open the cask.
00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:19.120
I don't know if you guys have any of them down here or not.
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There used to be a place up in Delaware called Olivina's, and it was an olive oil restaurant.
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Like that.
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You walked in, there was barrels of olive oil of different flavors along the side, and then they served like lunches and stuff in there.
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They kind of became like a small, they sold like charcuterie boards.
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It comes out of a cask, like a deli.
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Yeah, like a like a deli corda.
00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:46.960
Um, but you could go in there and you would bottle your own olive oil, and you can mix these different kinds if you wanted to, and everything.
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And it was this like really fancy, super expensive, nonsensical place.
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So if you're in olive oil, but yeah, yeah, if you're in olive oil, and like if you are somebody that like dips your bread in olive oil for like the like that kind of thing, it's it's a cool place.
00:16:02.399 --> 00:16:03.600
There's people that are in olive oil.
00:16:03.679 --> 00:16:04.080
Oh, yeah.
00:16:04.320 --> 00:16:06.399
Oh, the third taste is even better than the first.
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It gets better as it goes.
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So but so there's a few of those places around.
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I think there are other ones around here, not that one, but other brands.
00:16:14.559 --> 00:16:16.159
So that's mainly what they're doing.
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If you're looking to franchise, they're trying to do more.
00:16:19.039 --> 00:16:23.120
So, but yeah, but they're they have these olive oils and spirits.
00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:28.159
So they have this, they have some vodka, they have some gin, they have some different things.
00:16:28.399 --> 00:16:40.559
The reason the reason I ask is well, we're we'll get a picture out there of the bottle, but it very much looks like someone at home found an empty bottle.
00:16:40.720 --> 00:16:47.759
Yes, they created the blend themselves and bottled it, and then wrote on the front with like a white, like a white marker pen.
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That's it.
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And I accidentally rubbed some of the water.
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Yeah, there's no label, it's just uh white marker pen.
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It looks like a some sort of high-end, you know, I wouldn't say olive oil bottle, brandy bottle almost.
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Yeah, because they uh it has kind of shape.
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It's probably it's in the cask until they put it in the bottle.
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They just have like blank bottles.
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So does it come in random bottles?
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That would be hilarious.
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Like random shapes, depending you there are three sizes, and depending on what the size is, your bottle shape is different.
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You get a blanton's, and there's a little jockey riding a horse on the top of one.
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They just crudely like knock the horse off the top and write some with some white marker on it.
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Cragabus.
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Not blantons, special edition cragabus.
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Yeah.
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Cragabus, flantin's editions.
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You ever been in the mood for blames and thought, hell no, I want a scotch.
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We got the bottle for you.
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It's a pretty bottle though.
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I'm gonna use that as a decanter when it's gone.
00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:53.200
It's it's like uh it's simple, it's not like too ornate, but it's got a nice shape to it.
00:17:53.440 --> 00:17:58.000
Man, they've gotta be making a ton of money off of this because there is nothing to the bottle.
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There it's just a plain Jane.
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We found it downstairs kind of bottle.
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It was empty, we washed it out, and then we wrote on it, and that's your bottle.
00:18:05.519 --> 00:18:06.400
I'm really enjoying it.
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I I it's if anybody's thinking, like, oh, is this like too like like you were describing it?
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I don't think it is.
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But that doesn't mean it's not weighty.
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It's weighty in Scotch, but it's it's really, really good.
00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:20.559
Uh, it's not the strongest thing I've tried.
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I think that's the strongest thing I've tried.
00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:23.519
Well, we're gonna have one later.
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Yeah.
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But it it's very much up there, and it's very Lafroy with some fine nuances.
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How young are we talking?
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It doesn't say it just says young Lafroig.
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The reason I ask is I mean, most scotches that we've had that are young, like under geez, even 10 years, like 10 and 12 for me is a is a bit young.
00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:48.480
Like that's it's not gonna be full flavored.
00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:48.720
Right.
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It's gonna be more to be called Scotch, it has to be three years old.
00:18:53.359 --> 00:18:53.680
Right.
00:18:53.920 --> 00:18:56.880
So probably somewhere between three and ten.
00:18:57.279 --> 00:18:59.200
It's more like um probably three and seven.
00:18:59.839 --> 00:19:03.599
Someone described it this way to me, their their experience of Scotch.
00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:05.359
It it reminds them of band-aids.
00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:14.559
Yeah, I could say that iodine, and that's what a young Scotch reminds me of, is more of that in the uh forward coming off, and you're like, that's weird.
00:19:14.799 --> 00:19:16.000
This is not that though.
00:19:16.160 --> 00:19:21.519
This doesn't have that aspect really being pulled out of it, that flavor for me at least.
00:19:21.599 --> 00:19:29.680
Yeah, which is weird because if we're dealing with 80% young LaFroygan there, how young are we going?
00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:32.240
It is like it's still very fruity, yeah.
00:19:32.960 --> 00:19:36.880
Like it's so it like the stone the lighter fruit, yeah, yeah.
00:19:36.960 --> 00:19:41.279
Like like apricot, like an apricot, like a stone fruit, yeah, like a stone fruit.
00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:42.799
No one knows what a stone fruit is.
00:19:43.039 --> 00:19:45.359
I think this is very oh, I didn't know what a bramble berry was.
00:19:45.759 --> 00:19:49.599
It's pairing super exactly like it's very good with this gaslight.
00:19:49.839 --> 00:19:50.160
Yeah.
00:19:50.799 --> 00:19:56.400
So there was another episode that we did, uh, I think it was the Canadian whiskey series.
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That I asked you guys a question about smoking pipes and drinking at the same time, and which one you focus on.
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Since this one is so light, this scotch is so light.
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Like, is there one you focus on over the other?
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Like it's I think I'm focusing on the marriage between the two.
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Okay.
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On this one.
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And then sometimes I'll have just the scotch and I'll take the uh rest on the pipe, and then I'll smoke the pipe a little bit more, and then go back to the scotch the way it's playing with each other, kind of hide and seek a little bit, and then also like directly with each other.
00:20:28.640 --> 00:20:33.119
So I'm doing different things where I'm smoking and drinking and drinking and smoking.
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Now, what you guys are smoking, is it more dark in flavor?
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Would you describe it?
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It's a pretty dark English, yeah.
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It's a pretty gaslight's pretty.
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I don't know what the uh it's heavy latichea, right?
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Yeah, I don't know what the mixtures are, but it's it's heavy latichea.
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It's also got age on it.
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And it's it's just perfect for a cold night.
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Like a cold, wet, like English type of and like almost like an English spring.
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So it's not like winter.
00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:09.440
I don't want to don't want to say winter, it's almost like a spring with that cold, wet cobblestone, a gas light, you know, lantern kind of feel.
00:21:09.680 --> 00:21:10.319
It's a London night.
00:21:10.559 --> 00:21:11.519
Yeah, it that's what it is.
00:21:11.599 --> 00:21:14.480
And like I feel like I should be reading Sherlock Holmes right now.
00:21:14.720 --> 00:21:21.759
Like it's it's just that really old school, old English kind of feel.
00:21:22.079 --> 00:21:42.079
Yeah, old shoe leather and creosote and uh and on all that good smoky fire, fireside smoke kind of yeah, it's great, and it's pairing really well with this, which I wasn't sure if it would, because you know you were saying that this was so smoky, but I think the fact that it's not like over the top, it's playing well with each other.
00:21:42.400 --> 00:21:49.759
The the back end of this, the middle middle back of this is super peaty, yeah, and then the smoke comes at the very end.
00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:53.119
Like I said, you're almost exhaling smoke at the end.
00:21:53.279 --> 00:21:58.799
You don't taste it going down, but you taste it just the it's it's that smell when the fire goes out.
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Yeah.
00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:09.680
At the end, which is like, you know, that super if you ever woken up in the morning uh when you're camping and the fire went out over the night and you smell that, that's that that's what that is.
00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:14.960
And that's what I try to describe with certain pipe tobaccos too, with that when they're English like that.
00:22:15.039 --> 00:22:18.559
It's that really, really, really, really like wet smoke.
00:22:18.880 --> 00:22:21.359
So we've talked about peat a few times on here.
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And this time, because I have basically no information about this bottle.
00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:30.240
This very much feels like a homemade kind of like there's no storyline.
00:22:30.799 --> 00:22:33.599
This is moonshine for supposed to be really peaty.
00:22:33.759 --> 00:22:35.759
So I wanted to do some research on Pete.
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And we've never really done a deep dive on Pete, and I know that because we're incredibly wrong.
00:22:42.079 --> 00:22:44.319
Are we on what it is?
00:22:46.160 --> 00:22:47.039
Whoops.
00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:50.960
We didn't say we were authorities, we said we were connoisseurs.
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Right.
00:22:52.240 --> 00:23:02.640
You mean when we were like that the dirt or whatever that we we've always talked about peat as if it's like a moss, and you would go out and get the moss and you're burning moss.
00:23:02.720 --> 00:23:07.599
Yeah, and that's I thought it was like a big chunk of dirt that you're closer to.
00:23:07.920 --> 00:23:10.640
Like a log of inches of dirt and six inches of moss.
00:23:10.880 --> 00:23:18.480
Because I've seen them like cold, like there's like a little like right angle tool that they stick down in the ground and then they throw it in exactly.
00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:24.720
Yeah, so the top layer that's all the grass is just replanted, like you set it off to the side.
00:23:24.799 --> 00:23:34.000
This is all done in bogs, so it's all just in water, and there are five bogs designated for whiskey in Scotland.
00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:41.279
So sorry, quick question Is peat uh more like a plant that they're like an agricultural thing?
00:23:41.599 --> 00:23:44.400
It's compressed vegetation, okay.
00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:45.599
So it's not grown.
00:23:46.160 --> 00:23:49.839
I don't know if there's something they like planted in the bogs and then there's no there's no planting.
00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:54.640
There's like a mixture of soil and grass and and all sorts of other stuff.
00:23:54.880 --> 00:23:56.079
It happens naturally, right?
00:23:56.559 --> 00:24:01.200
So the top layer of just grass, you like pluck it off and set it to the side.
00:24:01.519 --> 00:24:06.400
Then you have three more layers that you're just digging down into the dirt.
00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:11.119
Three more layers, three layers of like how deep is this ish feet each.
00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:20.160
Yeah, I remember seeing like the when I saw them do it, it was like a tool, like a pole stole digger almost, but it's a right angle, and it sticks into the ground and then you pull it to the room.
00:24:20.559 --> 00:24:21.440
It's almost like a log.
00:24:21.680 --> 00:24:23.119
Yeah, it's like a two-foot log.
00:24:23.279 --> 00:24:26.480
Yeah, yeah, because the soil is so compressed, it comes out solid.
00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:29.519
And it can't like in those squares that it comes out the way that they do it.
00:24:29.599 --> 00:24:31.039
And they just go to the next row, next row.
00:24:31.119 --> 00:24:32.240
It's like a a layer.
00:24:32.480 --> 00:24:35.680
So there's three layers down, so like six feet basically down.
00:24:36.160 --> 00:24:43.279
The top layer is what's used for whiskey because that's the most moist, it's the stuff that's gonna make the most smoke.
00:24:43.519 --> 00:24:48.240
Yeah, and so that's so that top so wet, it's so wet you can't dry it out.
00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:55.680
And so, because of that, they'll let it sit for you, still dry it for like a year, but then after that, you can use it.
00:24:55.839 --> 00:24:57.599
So it's very much like wood.
00:24:57.759 --> 00:25:01.039
If you cut down a tree, you really can't use the wood for like a year-ish.
00:25:01.599 --> 00:25:02.720
You can, it just doesn't work very well.
00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:04.960
It just doesn't work right, yeah.
00:25:05.279 --> 00:25:10.079
The the third layer is almost like coal at the end of it.
00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:27.920
By the time you set it out and dry it for a year, that's what people use to heat their houses over there because it's so dark and so compacted, it's almost like a coal on that third layer down, and it's flammable because it's like it's flammable in a way like manure is flammable.
00:25:28.240 --> 00:25:28.480
Exactly.
00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:35.680
Yeah, because it's still vegetation, it's a lot of it's all plant stuff that's packed up into the dirt.
00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:36.880
So that's all down there.
00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:45.759
Like I said, there's only five bogs in the whole country of Scotland that are used for whiskey production, and one of them, the most famous one being Anila.
00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:50.720
And so my question has always been well, my question's always been, how have they not run out?
00:25:50.799 --> 00:25:52.240
Because it's not something you can plant.
00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:53.200
That's the thing.
00:25:53.279 --> 00:25:58.880
So naturally, because this is only a natural product, is it the rain fills it in and remakes it?
00:25:59.359 --> 00:26:03.519
One millimeter is added to a to a bug per year.
00:26:03.759 --> 00:26:04.480
That's it.
00:26:04.720 --> 00:26:08.480
An extra layer of how they not run out because they've been using peat forever.
00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:12.640
And here's the thing though, with whiskey production, we use less than that.
00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:22.240
So, yeah, because of the size of these places, and I and I guess the amount that's used, there is more peat being created than's being used.
00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:25.119
So now that they don't use it to heat homes, it's probably caught up.
00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:27.759
Okay, it's not really being used to heat homes anymore.
00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:35.440
So, how how much how much peat does a uh distillery go through in one process?
00:26:35.680 --> 00:26:38.960
It grows, like I said, it's kind of it's a real smoky kind of thing.
00:26:39.119 --> 00:26:47.039
It's probably similar to like wood pellets we use in smokers where they they burn slowly and it's concentrated.
00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:51.839
Yeah, it's very dense, and so that it's really concentrated.
00:26:52.160 --> 00:27:02.799
Probably able to stretch it really far with a little bit because they can use it in small doses or concentrated amounts to really extract the most essence out of it and spread it out throughout the that makes sense.
00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:04.160
How did they come up with this?
00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:05.839
Was it like by mistake?
00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:09.359
Did they like they used to heat heat the homes with this?
00:27:09.519 --> 00:27:15.839
So they're like, oh, we can't do anything with the top layer, let's just throw it in with the to try to dry out the mold and see what happens.
00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:17.759
They probably used it and it was real smoky.
00:27:17.839 --> 00:27:24.960
Yeah, and then it was a way of drying out because they used it already in homes, and they just used that to dry it out, and then it imparted flavor and they go, Oh, we like this.
00:27:25.039 --> 00:27:28.400
Yeah, and it was probably I mean, it's free, it's cheap, you know what I mean?
00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:34.400
It's so it's probably something that they were cutting cost at first, but then they're like, Oh, no, no, now we have money, we should try it the other way.
00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:35.039
Oh, this sucks.
00:27:35.200 --> 00:27:36.480
And actually, go back to the peak.
00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:46.160
Yeah, if you go to, I think it's Lafroy, you can actually go to their blog and like dig some and like do it as part of like the tour.
00:27:46.319 --> 00:27:48.000
They'll they have like a blog tour.
00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:48.880
That sounds like a blast.
00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:51.119
That's exactly yeah.
00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:59.920
For us, this is a super fun day, and they're getting I always feel that way about like pick your own anything, apples or whatever.
00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:06.079
Like growing up, like with my grandparents on farms and stuff, it's sort of like that's that's a chore.
00:28:06.160 --> 00:28:07.839
Yeah, you're doing that for fun.
00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:08.799
What do you what are you talking about?
00:28:09.039 --> 00:28:09.839
This isn't a fun experience.
00:28:09.920 --> 00:28:10.799
This is work, yeah.
00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:24.480
My my first job off of a family farm was on a strawberry farm near my house, and my dad would drop me off there on the way to work, and he got he worked at a factory, so he went in at like 6 a.m.
00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:26.799
So, like, I'll be back in 10 hours.
00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:35.279
So, like at five, he'd drop me off, he dropped me off at like five, and he had a truck, so we'd take my bike, and then I'd ride my bike home when I was done.
00:28:35.440 --> 00:28:41.359
It was like a five-mile bike ride, which isn't that bad, and so on a bicycle, especially when you're young like that.
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:46.960
And I got paid 50 cents a court, and all the strawberries you could be paying, and that was the thing.
00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:49.440
The start of the summer, I made bank.
00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:56.319
I put my head down, I had my little cassette player headphones in, and just and I just worked.
00:28:56.640 --> 00:29:04.799
But by the end of the summer, you get to know the other kids you're with, and now we're having strawberry fights with the bad strawberries and eating a bunch of them.
00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:08.319
So by the end of the summer, I wasn't making any money, just goofing off.
00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:12.880
Yeah, because I was like 14 or something, you know, I wasn't that old.
00:29:13.119 --> 00:29:20.000
And then the next summer I I hoed the fields and then I got paid an hourly rate, and then they watched you 50 cents an hour?
00:29:20.079 --> 00:29:22.240
It was it was five bucks, five bucks an hour.
00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:26.799
Yeah, I don't know why I remember that, but I do they hoed you out, huh?
00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:28.400
Hoed me out, yeah.
00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:38.640
And so, and that that strawberry farm is still there, but we would do that, but then there was other fields designated for the pick your own for people that wanted to come and and pick them and stuff.
00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:42.319
You always did pick your own strawberry while we're on this little tangent.
00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:46.319
Yeah, what what was little Steve listening to in that tape deck?
00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:48.640
It was it was country for the most part.
00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:52.480
Our little town taco rock, Alan Jackson.
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:53.119
What are we talking about?
00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:54.960
Yeah, yeah, a lot of Jackson.
00:29:55.359 --> 00:30:00.720
I was listening to Current Country at the time, which is like 2004, three.
00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:04.400
Current for the town or current to John Michael Montgomery.
00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:05.759
Yeah, John Michael Montgomery.
00:30:05.839 --> 00:30:08.799
A lot of uh I was a big fan of the case.
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:09.839
Oh, I knew he was coming.
00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:21.920
Yeah, so but in our little town, there was a there was a country radio station, and they had a a five at five thing where you would call in and say what song you wanted, and they would play the top five requests.
00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:32.400
But here's the thing nobody called in, and I know this because I requested songs that there is not another soul that would have ever requested, and it was like number three.
00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:41.920
So, like I I know that they were making it up, but it was a way for me to get the song to play and then for me to record it off the radio, yeah.
00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:46.319
And I remember doing a cassette, and then I'd have my little mixtape cassette.
00:30:46.640 --> 00:30:47.359
Just crazy.
00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:53.599
Can you remember that when you go into Walmart or something and you could buy VHS, cassette, like all that stuff?
00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:56.880
I mean, that is a way long time ago now.
00:30:57.279 --> 00:31:12.799
My grandma passed away at the end of last year, and so we we had her auction a few a few weeks ago, and when we did the auction, there was these boxes out there of her VHS tapes and all that, and there was a box of just homemade VHS tapes, stuff that you record off the TV.
00:31:13.759 --> 00:31:18.000
That box went for like 30 or 40 bucks.
00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:20.960
People really want them because they want the commercials.
00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:21.599
Oh, yeah.
00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:31.839
Yeah, because they want to see what was on the TV at the time, and so and a lot of and a lot of people recorded like the the most important things.
00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:36.240
So there's a guy on TikTok I watch sometimes that does this.
00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:40.720
He just plays VHS tapes that he's gotten from garage sales and stuff.
00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:41.599
Dude, I love that.
00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:42.960
There's something about that nostalgia.
00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:45.279
Yeah, it's like the previews were the best.
00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:48.240
You know, when that guy would go in there in a world, you know what I mean?
00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:50.880
Like they don't make previews like that anymore.
00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:51.920
That was great.
00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:53.279
What happened to that guy?
00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:54.240
You know what I mean?
00:31:56.480 --> 00:31:59.119
This summer, they're gonna find out.
00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:01.839
Yeah, he died, that's why HS died.
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:02.720
And that's it, yeah.
00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:04.160
That's the end of those previews.
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:05.039
That was the end of the thing.
00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:06.000
Oh, it was a good time, man.
00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:06.480
Yeah, yeah.
00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:07.839
It was something about it.
00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:12.160
And you see, like the the little pops and you know, little things.
00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:23.759
And I had a VHS, I had a solid DHS collection and VHS player, even when like this was the time with everybody was transitioning to DVDs, and so everybody was getting rid of their VHS stuff.
00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:30.559
I held on to my set, and I actually like got a really nice VHS player and all this stuff, and I was like, I'm gonna hold on to this.
00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:31.519
This is gonna be great.
00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:33.599
I loved it, and I got rid of it like an idiot.
00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:36.240
Like, I sh I wish I had kept it because I would, I would.
00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:39.759
There's something about like I still use that old 64, same thing.
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:41.599
Something about it, and but now it's gone.
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:44.880
Uh I still have a I still have a VCR in my base.
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:45.519
Do you?
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:46.319
Oh yeah, yeah.
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:48.720
I have a V Spark DVD combo.
00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:50.799
Oh, yeah, that was a big thing, the combo.
00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:55.279
And like I had one before and it went out, and so I had to buy another one.
00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:58.000
And like the only place you can buy them is like good goodwill.
00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:02.000
Oh yeah, the old tube with the tube TVs, and then they would actually have it built in.
00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:05.119
I remember having those VHS and DVD in the tube TV.
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:06.000
We used to live in the life.
00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:11.119
The VHS player doesn't work anymore.
00:33:11.359 --> 00:33:13.839
The TV still does, but the VHS doesn't.
00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:20.799
But I went and bought one like two or three years ago, and they've gotten really expensive because they're retro.
00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:22.559
Yeah, they're retro and nobody has them anymore.
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:26.000
Like the same thing within 64, you know, when Xbox and stuff came out.
00:33:26.319 --> 00:33:33.839
I remember I was selling like Zelda and Mario, like 64, for like I was like trading them in for like four bucks.
00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:38.079
Those things are like a hundred and something dollars now, which luckily I still have them.
00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:40.400
Like I've I bought them back before, you know.
00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:45.359
But can you imagine like four bucks, and now they're like 200, 200 and something dollars a piece.
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:49.200
Something I learned about this when I was looking at the peat stuff.
00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:55.759
Yeah, there's only like I said, there's only the five bugs, and they're spread out around the country of Scotland there.
00:33:56.400 --> 00:34:00.400
And there is a flavor difference between the bugs.
00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:13.519
So pretty much all Scotch uses peat for their stuff, but it's not but it's at varying levels, but they haven't really experimented with mixing the peats, like that's something that hasn't really been done yet.
00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:15.360
Is that like an unwritten rule?
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:16.480
I guess so.
00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:31.679
I mean, it's just the when I was looking this up, like I watched a few different videos trying to read and like two or three different people mentioned that they they've done some they've done some studies and there is some differences, but nobody's really done much with it.
00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:34.480
And I think it's probably because the differences are pretty minimal.
00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:40.079
But if you did some combining of those, like that could be kind of interesting.
00:34:41.679 --> 00:34:47.840
Do the distilleries kind of have a proprietary so there is some of that, yeah.
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:50.800
Like like Lafroy has they don't own the bog.
00:34:51.119 --> 00:35:02.639
The bog is it's it's nationalized or whatever, but they kind of have if you're in Isla, you have right first rights to it, if it's designated for the whiskey.
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:07.679
I'm sure they have like a tasting, like a taste profile for each bog, too, so they know what it is.
00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:15.760
But also, LaFroy owns Craigalaki down in spice spacefide, or like used to a long time ago.
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:20.960
So, because of that, like you have a spacide distillery and you have a isla distillery, yeah.
00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:24.239
Like, you could probably do some do some combining there.
00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:31.599
So I um I'm sure I've asked this before, but when we had like the indie the scotch from India, are they importing peat?
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:32.800
Is that how they're doing that?
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:34.000
Or I think they must be.
00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:35.599
They would have to be, right?
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:38.880
So you can already get peated barley.
00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:40.480
So they're importing that, yeah.
00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:46.079
Okay, so like it's malted barley is just malted barley, it's just wet barley, right?
00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:46.239
Yeah.
00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:50.960
That they allow to like germinate, and then they dry it out with the peat.
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:55.280
You can buy that as a grain for your product.
00:35:55.599 --> 00:36:05.039
Are there companies doing just that, or do you have to buy it from like LaFroy or Lagville or some somebody who's already doing it for themselves?
00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:10.239
There's probably companies there's at least one that I know of, I don't remember the name, but that's what they do.
00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:22.000
I mean, they they specialize in shipping out and like producing this without going to the extent of distilling, they just produce the grain and then they ship the grain out to you to use.
00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:28.960
There is also at least a few people making pellets so that you can smoke your own whistle.
00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:34.079
Well, because I was gonna say there's probably a way to do it artificially now, too, which I hope nobody's doing.
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:38.800
But I I gotta think that there's a way to do that, like fake peat.
00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:39.599
You know what I mean?
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:40.880
Essence of peat.
00:36:41.119 --> 00:36:42.079
Just sacrilegious.
00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:44.159
Yeah, it does sound sacrilegious, terrible.
00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:45.119
It's like fake meat.
00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:46.880
People are eating it.
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:48.159
I saw a commercial for that.
00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:49.519
People are making people are eating it.
00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:50.639
They're calling it meat.
00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:53.280
Yeah, it's grown in like meat from plants.
00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:54.480
Well, that is not meat.
00:36:54.719 --> 00:37:03.199
They're actually making like uh they're they're actually making genetically made like meat in factories, like in in like little yeah, labs and stuff.
00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:04.400
Like they're growing meat.
00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:05.760
Like it's a 3D printing.
00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:07.039
And they're selling it, yeah.
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:08.159
And people are eating it.
00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:08.880
Yeah, it's crazy.
00:37:09.039 --> 00:37:11.360
It'll stay on the product, like not of animal.
00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:21.599
I appreciate that scotch is such a national, like for Scotland, it's so big and they're so proud of it.
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:36.480
That something that is a bog that is owned by the country, it's not like owned by privately owned by a distillery, but it's nationally known as like this is a this is like a park, like a national park kind of thing.
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:41.920
They go to the extent of saying, ah, scotch distilleries get first dibs on this, though.
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:46.159
Well, their layer priorities, somebody's got their priorities right.
00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:58.400
Yeah, it's almost like a quarry, like if you think about it that way, because it's just digging down and to get the stuff, and then that bottom layer is used for heating homes or whatever else, and then the top layer is used for whiskey.
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:03.840
You're probably just taking the top layer at this point, if that's the case, you know what I mean, and then letting it re-recreate itself.
00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:07.679
There's gotta be peat in other parts of the world, though, right?
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:09.039
I'm sure there is.
00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:13.679
I mean, because it's just it's compressed vegetation, that's what peat is.
00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:14.800
So it's gotta be some.
00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:22.800
I'm sure other places have as long as it's a really like a wet, boggy kind of area, then it would grow there.
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:29.920
So, like, somebody ought to be doing this like in Florida or down like the Everglades and stuff, like maybe down there.
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:32.000
Louisiana would be a little swampy.
00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:34.400
Well, yeah, little gata's kind of what you're looking for.
00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:35.519
You might get a little gata.
00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:36.639
Well, that improved.
00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:38.000
But it's hot down there.
00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:41.440
Yeah, that kind of so I don't know if it'll work the same way.
00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:42.320
It's not cold, yeah.
00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:44.159
It'd be too mushy the ground and stuff.
00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:46.880
And so you almost like I like I wonder if like up in Maine.
00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:51.039
Louisiana's got their own stuff, like Parique.
00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:53.840
All the Pariq in the world is made from Louise from St.
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:55.199
James in Louisiana.
00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:55.679
That's it.
00:38:55.760 --> 00:38:56.400
That's the only place.
00:38:56.559 --> 00:38:58.159
If that if that place ever goes up, that's it.
00:38:58.239 --> 00:39:02.000
That's the end of Parique, which is amazing when you think about it.
00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:03.920
Kind of scary to throw on.
00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:04.960
Yeah, it's like it's amazing.
00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:06.000
Hopefully it never happens.
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:07.440
Hopefully it never happens.
00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:10.159
It's like well, it's like Syrian Latachia, yeah.
00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:11.039
Which is gone now.
00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:12.320
It's gone, it's extinct.
00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:13.280
There's no such thing anymore.
00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:14.159
I still have some.
00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:15.599
It's it was the most amazing thing.
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:17.519
Now it's all uh Cyprian Latichea.
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:26.000
But Syrian Latichea was like the bomb, and I don't know if they just didn't like appreciate it or what they um something happened.
00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:34.000
The tree or the I think you had to smoke the latachia uh in order to like dry it out.
00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:39.280
The tree that was used for doing that became extinct.
00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:42.320
Yeah, or something, and so that tree is no longer there.
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:46.559
So because of that, the flavor imparted into it didn't translate.
00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:49.840
So I mean Cyprian Latichia is good, but it's not it's not Syrian.
00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:53.760
You would think we have all these like heirloom seeds and like museums.
00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:57.440
Don't you think that you would think like maybe they didn't think about Latikia?
00:39:58.480 --> 00:39:58.880
Is this a tree?
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:00.639
Grow one of those trees in a lab.
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:01.840
Yeah, come on.
00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:03.519
They have forget meat.
00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:04.400
Yeah.
00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:08.559
We don't have a meat shortage, do we?
00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:14.239
I'm trying to remember where it's at, if it's Greenland or where there's some place, there's a place in the world.
00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:16.639
You've heard of this, it's called the Doomsday Vault.
00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:17.199
Oh, yeah.
00:40:18.239 --> 00:40:20.559
And they do have all the seeds for all the stuff.
00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:34.480
So if there's you know, and it's super protected and it's got a natural, they it was the number one place in the world to do this because it's got a natural climate that this stuff will last for like a million years or something if it's never even if the power goes out, it'll last.
00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:46.559
So they do have some of that stuff, but I don't think that Syrian Latike was one of those things because it Latichea itself is a process, so it's the material that they were using to make set Syrian Latike is gone.
00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:47.679
That's what's gone now.
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:50.960
So, but just a shame.
00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:53.440
Extinct, just like unicorns.
00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:55.440
What a shame with the unicorns, right?
00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:57.119
Man, what a shame.
00:40:57.280 --> 00:40:58.480
Just the whale ones now.
00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:00.880
Can you imagine a whale with a giant horn?
00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:02.719
With the norwels, yeah.
00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:03.360
That's a thing.
00:41:03.519 --> 00:41:04.159
That is a thing, yeah.
00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:05.840
Norwell, I don't believe it either.
00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:08.480
I'm I'm very convinced that this is a fake animal.
00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:11.760
They're saying that there's a they're saying there's a whale unicorn thing, yeah.
00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:13.440
I've never heard of this.
00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:17.519
Yeah, it has it's actually like a tusk, but it goes out through their mouth.
00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:21.360
But it's like five feet long, like it's like a horn.
00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:24.880
It's but it's like the loch nest monster, like it might be a thing, it might not be a thing.
00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:26.079
No, it's a real thing.
00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:28.480
They're real, I just refuse to believe it.
00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:32.719
I think I mean there's some effed up stuff in the world.
00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:33.760
Look at platypuses.
00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:35.760
I mean, what the what the heck is that?
00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:48.559
I I I I've heard at least in one place, that when when people tried to prove the existence of unicorns, they were using a narwhal tusk to show people and say, like, look, here it is.
00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:51.599
You know, I mean if they put it on a whale, why why wouldn't they put it on a horse?
00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:52.480
I'm okay with it.
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:53.840
I like that narwhal.
00:41:54.239 --> 00:41:58.079
That's gonna be like my new uh like next time I need a username for something, it's gonna be narwhal.
00:41:59.119 --> 00:41:59.519
I like it.
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:01.199
Haven't you ever seen elf?
00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:02.079
Yeah, yeah.
00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:06.159
Yeah, at the beginning, there's a narwhal who's like, See you, buddy.
00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:07.760
Hope you find your dead.
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:08.800
I don't think I've ever noticed that.
00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:09.360
Thanks, Mr.
00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:09.920
Narwhal.
00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:10.559
Oh, okay.
00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:12.400
Well, I don't think I've ever noticed that.
00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:13.199
That's interesting.
00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:15.760
Narwhal, I like it.
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:17.679
I'm gonna get a tattoo of narwhal.
00:42:18.079 --> 00:42:20.639
Well, I'm I'm very uh pleased.
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:26.000
This was not like sipping pipe juice, but it's even better.
00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:27.039
It was still very good.
00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:28.000
It's very good.
00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:33.360
It very much reminds me of uh compass box, like something that they would put together.
00:42:33.519 --> 00:42:35.599
It's very light, like we're saying, light fruity.
00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:38.159
The smell reminds me of like compass box.
00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:41.519
It's uh you know what it is, it's worth the price.
00:42:41.920 --> 00:42:43.119
Yeah, 130.
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:45.119
You said that's what the price of this is, roughly.
00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:46.480
Yeah, I think this is worth 100.
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:49.679
I've had 130 scotches before that weren't this good.
00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:54.800
And you you can get a smaller bottle for like 90 and a bigger one for more.
00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:57.360
But uh that's the big do they go.
00:42:57.519 --> 00:43:00.719
I was gonna say it's bigger's always got a handle, yeah.
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:02.400
It's a plastic handle.
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:04.639
So yeah, I had I had that plant.
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:10.639
It's one of the old Kentucky Tavern bottles.
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:13.760
It's a plastic uh bottle, but with a cork.
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:18.400
So your options are uh oh wait, maybe this was the biggest.
00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:20.239
Or maybe no.
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:23.360
Okay, so 200 milliliter, 375, and 70.
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:25.119
Those are the those are the three.
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:27.280
Yeah, so maybe this was the biggest one.
00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:33.039
But yeah, okay, so now the question is what was the thing that I tasted that just blew me away.
00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:34.559
Are you sure this wasn't that?
00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:43.440
I I'm not sure, but I I suspect that this wasn't it because this isn't so much more potent than LaFroig.
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:46.639
So what what was it?
00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:48.960
If it wasn't Cragabus, it's the white whale.
00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:50.079
Yeah, what am I gonna do now?
00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:57.840
When I was looking up their stuff, this is the only like scotch they have, like of their proprietary kind of thing.
00:43:58.079 --> 00:43:59.760
So what really?
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Of of of this.
00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:04.719
Yeah, they have other things, but maybe it was.
00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:07.119
Maybe my tastes have just uh maybe it's just changed.
00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:15.519
I bet your tastes have changed because this actually is fairly weighty for somebody who if you took anybody that's kind of dabbled in Scotch and gave them this, they'd be like, whoa.
00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:22.320
Even Lafroig, even if they've dabbled in Lafroig, this is it's Lafroy on steroids, is what this is.
00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:28.480
But it's just I think it's just because it's it's so spread out that it sneaks up at the end on you.
00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:41.199
So if you were uh even if you weren't new to scotch, if you only had a couple of different kinds, like you would try it, like oh, okay, and then a second later, you're like, oh shoot.
00:44:41.360 --> 00:44:42.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:43.039
Yeah.
00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:51.440
And so it might have been the effect of the drinking thing more so than the actual people that are into hot sauce, too.
00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:52.320
It's the same kind of thing.
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:56.000
Like when you get to that certain level, you forget how hot certain things are.
00:44:56.159 --> 00:44:56.800
You know what I mean?
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Like you try something, you're like, oh, it's got some spice to it, you know, and then somebody else tries it and they're like licking the carpet, you know, try to get the to get the because I do that all the time.
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:08.480
Like I'll try something, I'm like, oh, it's not very hot.
00:45:08.559 --> 00:45:09.679
Like it's almost disappointing.
00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:14.159
And then somebody else will try it and you're like, like looking for milk to chug, you know.
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:15.440
So you get to that point.
00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:18.239
I think that might be what it is.
00:45:18.960 --> 00:45:21.519
This is what you were saying, Steve and Chris.
00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:26.880
This is this is a slow burn in like a spice world.
00:45:26.960 --> 00:45:33.039
Like jalapenos, like this is a slow burn, it's gonna sneak up on you and you're not expecting it.
00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:39.199
It's not it's not like a hot, hot sauce on your tip of your tongue and you're freaking out.
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:44.320
This is like moments later, and now I'm starting to feel the effects of like I'm starting to taste.
00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:47.039
It's super fine, it's not gimmicky, it's just good.
00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:51.760
Which by the look of the bottle, you'd be like, I don't know, this looks a little weird.
00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:56.320
Like, did I did I just buy something that some hobo put together?
00:45:56.480 --> 00:46:00.400
And that is exactly what I would say, hobo.
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:01.679
That's the word to use.
00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:02.880
Here's your stuff.
00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:04.000
I got your product.
00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:06.000
Like, that's that's very much what it looks like.
00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:10.320
Because you're like, this isn't this doesn't look like a log of lent bottle.
00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:15.519
This doesn't look like any kind of novelty bottle that most scotches come in.
00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:18.800
So you look at it and you're like, did I novelty more gimmicky than what it looks like?
00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:22.079
Did I did I just get screwed over by getting this?
00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:24.559
And then you try it and you're like, nope, nope.
00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:26.159
I fully appreciate this.
00:46:26.400 --> 00:46:30.559
I don't care what bottle it comes in at this point, like I appreciate what I'm drinking.
00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:32.559
Yeah, this is Jack and his beanstalk.
00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:33.599
That's what it looks like.
00:46:33.760 --> 00:46:36.960
Yeah, did I get sold a bad sale of goods?
00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:37.599
No, it's good.
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:38.880
It's advertised.
00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:40.960
I think it's great, I think it's fantastic.
00:46:41.119 --> 00:46:42.639
Thank you for bringing in, Ryan.
00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:44.000
I I enjoy it.
00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:45.599
Like I'm glad you like it.
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:48.800
Yeah, I gotta redeem myself after the Kesslers thing.
00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:52.639
Lest we forget.
00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:59.039
All right, and to you folks at home, if you've ever tried this, go ahead and send us a text.
00:46:59.199 --> 00:47:00.239
You should have sent us a text.
00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:02.159
If you've ever heard of it, send us a text.
00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:03.920
Because I I'd never heard of it.
00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:06.480
Well, and it makes sense why we've never heard of it.
00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:12.000
If they don't if they don't distribute this place, if they don't distribute to anyone, then how do we get around here?
00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:13.440
And like they're not local.
00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:16.239
The the shop in Kansas City closed.
00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:16.559
Okay.
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:21.280
So I don't know where you'd have to go to get it, but they do have a website, that's where I got it.
00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:24.000
So well, I don't really think they advertise, right?
00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:26.559
So really word of mouth, I guess.
00:47:26.719 --> 00:47:27.360
So here it is.
00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:28.400
Here's the word of mouth.
00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:29.199
Here's the word.
00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:30.880
Go out and buy it.
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:31.840
Well, gents.
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All right, next week.
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Next week.
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