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Inquiry Crashers.
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Well everybody, you're listening to Charles Mackenzie, and I'm joined by my co-host Lynn Hatch.
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How are you, Lynn?
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I'm well, thank you, Charles.
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Now we were just talking about today's subject matter, which is loosely uh based on uh on a 2005 comedy film called The Wedding Crashes, which uh stars uh Owen Wilson and uh Vince Vaughan.
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It was a a comedy, and one of the the the taglines or the the the slogans uh for this uh comedy uh was Hide Your Bridesmaids because these two characters might get up to no good.
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Um well guess what, everybody?
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Last week Lynn and I put out the episode Whistleblowers and it we spoke about how and on this series, When Humanitarians Kill, Lynn and I have discussed how there was a parliamentary inquiry into medically acquired HIV in 1991, and that came largely as a result of the sort of campaigning, the courageous campaigning of people like uh Lynn and uh Bryce Courtney, and uh we mentioned the other lady Lorraine Siblick last week, who was the subject matter of that book that you read, didn't it, wasn't it?
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Yes, yes.
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Um and so all of you had sacrificed your rights to privacy in the late, you know, 1980s.
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Uh some of you had children with hemophilia who ended up with HIV, of course, in Lorraine's case.
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She herself had ended up with HIV after being in a car accident that cost the the life of her daughter, who was only how old?
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10.
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So just tragic.
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So we discussed that last week on the episode whistleblowers.
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Um and what we sort of has come out from last week and from this series is that that 1991 parliamentary inquiry, well, first of all, I just want to say this.
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I don't consider Senate inquiries or parliamentary inquiries to be inquiries.
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And the reason I don't consider them to be inquiries is because there are no lawyers and no judges involved, okay?
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But talking of uh no lawyers and no judges being involved, there was, however, very bizarre, a lawyer who is parachuted into the 1991 New South Wales parliamentary inquiry into medically acquired HIV Lynn, wasn't that?
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Yes.
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What was his name?
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Michael Kirby.
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Michael Kirby.
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And uh you seem to recall, and others recall, that when the inquiry wasn't going very well for the government, when it uh you know, that they changed the terms of reference halfway through, didn't they?
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They did.
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They did exactly that.
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And in came this very I might say flamboyant, because I've been doing some research on this uh former former Justice Kirby, uh, but I'm doing research on his legal career, and he's a he is a flamboyant character.
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Uh I I'll say that much for him.
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And he came in, Lynn, and as we've discussed on the series, he came in pretty much to pour cold water on the idea that hemophilia families or families affected by tainted blood transfusions or tainted blood treatments should receive compensation.
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And he kind of made out that it's all part of the wider tragedy of AIDS and that everyone should be treated the same as as, say, people who got it from other means, like homosexual.
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He did exactly that in no uncertain terms.
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And at the time, my husband, Bryce Courtney, Lorraine Siblik, we all queried his um his viewpoint, but we were shut down by the members of the committee members of the parliamentary inquiry.
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And and this is so interesting to me, you being shutting down, because um, as you know, Lynn, I was asked by the United Kingdom's largest ever legal investigation to be a witness to help them uh with their investigation.
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And they reached out to me in 2019 with what was called a Rule 9 request, okay?
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And there were some negotiations uh before I accepted.
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And uh one of the issues that I had was that we had previously been burned by uh processes that claimed to be inquiries, and I consider uh Australia to have been burned by the outcome of the 1991 parliamentary inquiry to HIV because you guys didn't get compensation.
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So that that was no good, right?
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So I also had forced an inquiry myself single-handedly, basically, a Senate inquiry into hepatitis C and the Australian blood supply, which I secured in 2003, and public hearings were held in 2004, right?
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But but these both of these inquiries, which were not really inquiries, they came to the same conclusion that somehow there shouldn't be rightful compensation for the Australian victims of what was a global scandal, right?
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Yes.
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And Michael Kirby comes in and he comes in and pours cold water on the idea that there should be a you know a proper investigation, proper legal inquiry.
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Now he did that in 1991, and as we've discovered, it was Paul Keating who he disc the former Labour Prime Minister Paul Keating, who one of his last acts, I think, as Prime Minister, was to appoint Michael Kirby in 1995 or 96 to the High Court of Australia.
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Now I think that's a remarkable fact, I really do.
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And because he had been, Kirby, Michael Kirby had been connected with the United Nations.
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He served on the United Nations in the late 1980s, supposedly in roles, uh surrounded uh roles based around HIV.
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So he would know more than anybody if he had taken his role seriously at the UN, that there was a component of HIV that wasn't an accident, and that was the component of heme affiliate.
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Now, we know from the UK Infective Blood Inquiry that I was asked uh to be a witness of.
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Um, you'll find my statement, everybody, in the show links, the statement of Charles Mackenzie to the Infective Blood Inquiry.
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The last five pages features my appeal to the inquiry chair, Sir Brian Langstaff, on behalf of Australia and indeed affected families in New Zealand, right?
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Now, what's happened is I have noted a pattern, Lynn, from listening to our own podcast.
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Yes, everybody, I we listened to our own podcast because I've got to tell you something.
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I couldn't get over last week's podcast with the show links and all the evidence.
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It's clear that there's a conspiracy here.
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Oh, shocking.
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It's absolutely disgusting.
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Right.
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Well, put it this way.
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This is an episode today is called Inquiry Crashes.
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Now, we don't have any news infected by Australian news.
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We're just going to go straight into this issue of inquiry crashes.
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Now, uh, ladies and gentlemen, the comedian or Hollywood actor Owen Wilson was on that film or on the posters as were Vince Baum.
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But in today's episode, we've got the gay lawyer, Michael Kirby, the flamboyant gay lawyer, and he's on the left.
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And on the right, we've got a British man who came to work in Australia in the mid-1990s.
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His name is Stuart Loveday.
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He's an associate of Michael Kirby's Kirby Institute.
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And he came here uh in the mid-1990s to run a group called the Hepatitis C Council of New South Wales.
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They had a name changed to Hepatitis C New South Wales.
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He was a founder.
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He was a founder of this Hepatitis C Council, now known as Hepatitis C New South Wales, but at other times had also been on the board of the National Hepatite Australia body.
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Okay.
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So, all right.
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Well, guess what, everybody?
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Uh, before we started recording, Lynn, I showed you a video of Stuart Loveday.
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Yes, yes, you did.
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Who gate-crashed, he actually gate-crashed one of our meetings, the meetings of Infective Blood Australia, the year was uh on that particular video was 2002.
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And he was asked a question by someone in the crowd uh would his publicly funded hepatitis group, which get tens of millions of dollars from the Australian taxpayer, would they publicly advocate for uh compensation for people affected by this tainted blood transfusion scandal?
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And what did you think of his answer that you saw?
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He just totally ignored the question, but what he was leading to was and is that people who medically acquired HIV and hep C and people who acquired it via other means were the same.
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Yeah.
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And you know, to this day, I will sit here and say they are not the same.
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And the law says they're not the same because we now know, via the judgment of the United Kingdom's largest ever legal investigation, which was presided over by a proper judge.
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Uh they actually had a proper judge in the UK, a guy, uh a really a quality person, someone who wouldn't lie and cheat, like some judges that we have in Australia.
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But um he was called Sir Brian Langstaff, he was the chair, and he found, Lynn, that what happened with hemophilia was no accident.
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And in fact, he found that in many cases it was manslaughter.
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And importantly, he called out a uh a guy called Professor Arthur Bloom, who'd been a hematologist in the early 1980s in the UK.
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Professor Arthur Bloom in 1983 and in 1982 had breached the National Health System's own guidelines, guidelines that he'd helped create, which was that children with mild haemophilia, which your son Martin had.
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Yes, yes.
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Didn't he?
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Who died of AIDS in 1989, he had no need of these blood treatments to survive, did he, Lynn?
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No, he didn't, he didn't.
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Did your s uh husband Robert ever bring up that point?
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No, because I don't think we actually knew at the time.
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Right, right.
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But but I I think Robert did.
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But he did bring up that he was mild, because I remember seeing some of the evidence, right.
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So so this Professor Arthur Bleam in the UK, what he did was they had these guidelines that m children with mild haemophilia were not to be injected with these mass-pooled high-risk factor rate hemophilia treatments, okay, because of the known risk of hepatitis.
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Yes.
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Okay?
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Yes.
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And also because of of how they were made, you know, they were made in dangerous ways.
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Well, this Professor Arthur Bleam, he circumnavigated the NHS's own rules and had children like these virgin hemophiliacs.
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And when we say virgin hemophiliacs, what we mean is they're children who've never had any blood treatments before in their lives.
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No, no, no.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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So there's no reason why these children should ever have hepatitis or HIV or anything like that.
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They're not sexual, they're not drinking alcohol at that that age, you know, not because hepatitis can uh you some alcoholics can uh get uh alcohol-induced not hep C but alcohol-induced hepatitis, right?
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Yes, yes.
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But there's no reason these kids were virgin hemophiliacs, right?
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What Sebrahan Langstaff, the chair of the UK Infective Body Quarry, found, he found that what Professor Bloom did was unfathomable.
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And and he essentially called him out as being a murderer.
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Okay.
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I'm here to tell you now, Lynn, and you know my name, and you know that I've been investigating this for many decades, you know that I went to school with your sons, including Martin.
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Um, I'm here to tell you that I can see no difference in what happened to those children in the UK that Sir Brian has said were murdered or victims of manslaughter.
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Yes.
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We need to be clear on that.
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I just uh want to be clear that I don't want to make any mistakes on law.
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Uh Sebrian Langstaff uh i yes, is manslaughter, okay?
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Not murder, right?
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Mm-hmm.
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But I'm here to tell you now that what Professor Arthur Bloom did was exactly what happened in Martin's case.
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Martin, in Australia, there were guidelines that virgin hemophiliacs were not to receive mass pooled hemophilia treatments in at the time that he did.
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Okay.
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So we've discussed on this series that Martin received his first hemophilia treatment aged eleven years of age, wasn't he?
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No, he was younger than that.
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He was about eight.
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Eight, okay.
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But he'd survived from zero to eight without without blood.
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Yeah, let me just say this both our boys had bleeding issues.
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For example, when Martin was born, he was circumcised and he had horrific bleeding.
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And we were living in a country town at the moment at the time, and uh you know, obviously he went back to hospital, and they stopped the bleeding just really by just looking after him.
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And and eventually the bleeding stopped.
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It eventually stopped without any factoration.
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So there you go.
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So he so so he could have done without it.
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Yeah, and so our other son could have done without as well, who got hepatitis C.
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Outrageous.
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So, okay, so we now know that in and I'll see if I could put this in the show links, everybody.
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Go and have a look at these show links, please.
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We need you to look at this evidence with us, and we're so happy that you're doing that.
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I'm I'm being helped by the researchers, Lynn, now who because they now they now know that we've got a conspiracy on our hands, right?
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Okay, so this Professor Arthur Bloom in the UK, and I'm gonna put that in the show links, everyone, to see what this man's done.
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I am categoric when I say that the exact same thing happened with Martin Hatch as happened to those children in the UK.
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Those children did not need those hemophilia treatments in many cases to survive.
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The in Australia, uh, we had our own policies that virgin hemophiliacs were not to receive mass-pulled hemophilia treatments because of the established risk of hepatitis.
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This was before Martin ever received an injection.
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Had they observed their own guidelines, Martin Hatch would never have acquired HIV.
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And that is what I'm going to police with.
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And by the way, Lynn, I've just gone in recently back to Australian Federal Police with yet more evidence about another child that was killed.
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Uh, this time he he was killed at Camperdown Hospital.
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In 1989.
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Infected in 1989 by Factor VIII and killed in 1991 by his infection of Hep C.
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Actually, when you told me that and we've investigated, I I even as I sit here, I can hardly believe that happened.
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Because in 1989, Martin's court case was all over the press, it was everywhere.
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And I just didn't understand why the doctors didn't even think about it.
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I know, and and you had Ida Buttrose, that was in 1989.
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Ida Buttrose, as we discussed last week, in 1985, and as we put in the last week's show links, she was saying that the blood treatments had been purified.
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And you also said that when you read the book last week uh about Lorraine Siblik, uh the lady who got AIDS for a blood transfusion, um in that book Ida said that the hemophilia treatments had been purified for mind-bave bombs, didn't she?
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Yes, she did.
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Okay.
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And and also our other son got hep C in 1988.
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Now, how did he get hep C in 1988 if the blood had supposedly been purified?
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Right, right.
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And the factor eight, the water.
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Okay.
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So this is do you know, okay, you saw that evidence with the lady saying that she'd lost the brother in the late 80s and early 90s, didn't you?
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At Camperdown Hospital.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Now you're a legal practice manager, and that's the reason why everybody any forms that you sent in to us, any information goes to Lynn.
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Lynn is uh, you know, our most trusted person, and given her experience, we'd like her to be the witness, okay, and and liaise with our lawyers.
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So you've seen that.
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And we're asking the question, how could that be the case?
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That and I I've gone to police with that because Lynn, I think that's just so serious.
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And if there's one thing we can do uh in Martin's memory, and Martin had such a keen interest in the law, is to make sure that we get to the bottom of why on earth children after.
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I mean, it's one outrage that Martin was infected of the time he was in 1982-83.
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But to have children given tainted factorate in late 1980s, and then to have you know a life full of so much uh uh hospital appointments and so much recovery and so much disruption to your life is a crime, and that's why I went to police.
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But, Lynn, this episode is about inquiry crashes because you know why?
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Your inquiry that you helped force with Bryce and Lorraine and all of the brave crew and with Martin, right?
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I forced one with my mum and the brave crew campaigning with us in Infective Blood Australia.
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You know, we had people like Michael Pollack.
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Michael was extremely courageous.
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Uh he had been a fellow who'd been in an accident in 19, around 1984, he'd been in a a terrible, tragic motorcycle accident and had lost a leg and nearly died.
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So he'd been through it.
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And he had a big career in the Navy to look forward to.
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So it was a it was a tragedy, right?
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But he had his life saved by blood transfusions.
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So getting his life together and building a young family, he decides uh one day, oh well, I can see the blood bank and eating blood donors, so I will donate blood.
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He went to donate blood in 1990 and was told, oh, uh you should come in for an interview.
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He came in to speak to someone there and they said, Oh, we found that you've got this deadly virus hepatitis C.
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Like, what a shocking thing.
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You've got total blood.
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And they said, We don't want you to donate any more whole blood for people with blood donations, but we want you to continue donating for a process called plasma fractionation.
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Well, Lynn, plasma fractionation is the process that makes treatments for hemophiliacs like Martin Hatch, your son, who was killed in 1989, like that boy who was killed at Camperdown in 1991.
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Well, go to the show links, everybody, see for yourself.
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They're asking people, so you can imagine being Michael.
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He's first of all gone in there to do the right thing and donate uh blood.
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Then he's told that he's got a young family, then he's told that he's now got this deadly body virus, and instead of them offering help, they're saying, oh no, can you please donate your blood plasma, not your whole blood, but can you continue to donate your blood plasma for hemophiliacs?
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And we now know, this is in 1990, and we now know, Lynn, from evidence that you've seen that hemophiliacs in Australia, children in Australia, started out life being infected after 1985, after Ida Butros, the Australia's media personality and and face of Australia's AIDS campaign, said there was no reason for parents to worry because the hemophilia treatments had been purified.
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It's a crime.
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So I forced a Senate inquiry into hepatitis C and the Australian blood supply.
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I'll put that in the show links, everybody.
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I forced it and I'll put a a news story about there, that if I can in the show links.
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I forced that, and the public hearings were held in 2004.
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Now, I showed you a video of Stuart Lovedale, this guy connected to the Kirby Institute and to the hepatitis New South Wales.
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He's basically pouring cold water just like Michael Kirby did.
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But in that video that he saw, he didn't uh he didn't say that he would oppose us lobbying for our own inquiry, did he?
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No, he didn't.
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So can you imagine how bloody angry I was, Lynn, after spending hundreds of thousands of dollars of my mother's money?
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Okay, I didn't accept donations back then.
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I've only accepted donations the last two years because I ran out of money, I'm very ill, I had to go thumb it, collected close to 70,000.
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But back then, no donations for 30 years, right?
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Because I didn't want any any suggestion.
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I just I used my mum's money.
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Okay?
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And so we get this inquiry, and that should have been it.
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That should have been the moment where all hemophilia families, okay, and everyone affected by this scandal.
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And that's what lawyers say.
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That's what my lawyer, Michael Imperato, and that's what the the the lawyers involved the UK inquiry that made a 11.8 billion pounds settlement say.
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That made a manslaughter verdict, say, that should have ended there.
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There should have been the settlements there, they should have had the financial assistance conversation there.
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But guess what happened?
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Stuart Loved her, just like Michael Kirby.
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Obviously the inquiry wasn't going their way, just like your 1991 parliamentary inquiry.
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Guess what?
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This man who said he would not oppose us, he's funded by taxes.
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He's had millions of millions, tens of millions, his organization, by our taxes.
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I had nothing but my mother's money and my pension.
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He gate crashes that Senate inquiry.
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And I am going to put everybody, there's a document, please, everybody, please would you go to this document?
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It's called An Alliance of Bias.
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Okay, the document's called, just read it out here, it's called an alliance of bias timeline of government-funded hepatitis C groups discriminating against infected blood victims before and during the Senate Affairs Reference Committee into hepatitis C and the blood supply in Australia in 2004.
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This document, if you read it, he basically he starts off Lynn by saying to the inquiry this which was no inquiry because there are no lawyers involved, he tells this 2004 Senate committee, he says, Oh, we don't have the resources to meet the terms of reference.
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So there were terms of reference to this inquiry, and he says, We don't have the resources to meet the terms of reference, but we're going to make a submission anyway.
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Then, then, obviously, he's been ticked off by his friend Jan McLucas.
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This is the chair of the 2004 Senate Inquiry, a Labour senator at the time.
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They ousted the original chair, a Catholic known as Steve Hutchins, who is a Labour senator.
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They ousted him because they Knew what he wanted, that everyone should get help because he was a Catholic and he knew this was an injustice.
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So before the public hearings began, they ousted him, they brought him this leftist Jan McLuchus, and she brings in Stuart Loveday, the guy who said he wouldn't oppose us having an inquiry, the guy who's had tens of millions and receives a salary and receives all of that money under the auspices that he will represent the best interests of all people with hepatitis.
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Lynn, can I ask you a question?
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In what way, I mean, hemophilia families or hemophiliacs, I believe, are the principal people in Australia affected by hepatitis.
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Over 90% of Australians with hemophilia who use blood treatments ended up with some form of hepatitis.
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Okay.
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So they're the principal victims of hepatitis in Australia or the principal uh uh sufferers of it, right?
00:22:51.759 --> 00:23:06.880
In what way does someone receiving tens of millions of dollars in public money to fund his organization and is receiving a salary, in what way does he gate crashing a 2004 Senate inquiry, which is seeing whether there should be assistance for hemophiliacs?
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In what way does him saying there shouldn't be compensation for hemophiliacs or there shouldn't be financial assistance, in what way does that help hemophiliacs or help hepatitis?
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It doesn't help at all.
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Right.
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But the point I was going to make a minute ago is that any dealings that I've had in the last well, since Martin got six sick and was diagnosed with HIV, we we have been up against the gay community, and I say the gay community, the gay lobby.
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And anybody that's been put in a a place of authority, for example, this Tony Lovegrove, that everybody they're all g they're all gay.
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So they have their own agenda.
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Yeah.
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And you know, it's a bit it's similar to Neil Blewitt, gay, has his own agenda.
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Um yeah, so we we we have Neil Votel, his chief of staff, who the ABC spent millions making a 2023 musical drama called In Our Blood, had his own agenda, the agenda and and and and got funding from Bill and Melinda Gates.
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The agenda was that he'd be this world public health figure, uh, you know, but that was his payoff for the cover-up.
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He's criminal.
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The point I'd like to make is that the gay lobby, and I've made this point before, I don't dislike gay people.
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I you know, they can live well whatever they want to live, they can live they leave their lives.
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But the gay lobby is certainly in New South Wales, it's very strong.
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And they actually have more say and more rights than we do.
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And with this HIV and Hep C issue, everybody I mean, even the parliamentary inquiry in 1991, there were gay people on that on that committee.
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And w we didn't have a chance.
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We did not have a chance.
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And then it's certainly when they brought Michael Kirby in, we had a lesson.
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Well, when when the when the when the wedding crash, sorry, the gate crash of the inquiry crash of Michael Kirby, whose payoff.
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I look, okay.
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Can I ask you a question, Lynn?
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I mean, you're no pushover.
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And by the way, that was the title of our first ever episode, because I've got to tell you something, that's been my take on you.
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All right, let's let's cut to the chase.
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What was Michael Kirby's incentive?
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I mean, he's a human rights lawyer.
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He would know that a parliamentary inquiry would be n would it is deeply inappropriate to investigate something like this.
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I mean, the manslaughter deaths of children, it should have police involved, it should have legal investigation involved.
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What would hid his incentive have been to pour cold water on doing that?
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Well, I I don't you know, this is pro um he's he's gay, and he he is and I don't know whether you can say he's very gay, but he is a known gay person.
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But can this someone be gay and still observe the law?
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Of course.
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Why didn't he?
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I mean what he's done is criminal.
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I mean, I'm telling you now, it's a criminal conspiracy headed up by him.
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Anybody who's been appointed to any of these bodies, inquiries, our court case, the the gay community had a very big say and they had a lot to say, and we took a lot of notice.
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Well, we we didn't, but they had have a lot of notice taken of them.
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I mean, and it's a bit when when when Gordon we've been to this before, but when Gordon Archer from the Blood Bank suggested to the New South Wales government, Neville Rand was the premier at the time, we've got to stop these gay people giving blood.
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But it wasn't that the com the government didn't think, yes, this is a it is an extreme worry given what's going on in the states and the UK and France.
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Yes, we've got to look at this.
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Oh no, we've got to look after the gay people.
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We've got to not hurt their feelings.
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Well we've and also the We can't be discriminating.
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In 1986, this HIV research body now known as the Kirby Institute was established, it's received tens of millions of dollars.
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Now, here's my point.
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It its role was to uh uh collect data about infectious disease in Australia.
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Well, I was infected as a child in 1988, and Kirby and his uh mates got funded in 1986.
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Why couldn't they have alerted me in 1987 or earlier about what they knew, that there was hepatitis in the blood supply?
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I would have appreciated that warning.
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It's the same similar to our other son who got hep C after 1985 when they said that it the factor eight and blood was safe.
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Well, it wasn't safe because he got Hep C about 1988.
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Okay, well, guess what, everybody?
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Um this is inquiry crashes because it's now become clear we've got a bit of a pattern.
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Uh when the government knew uh that the inquiry, the 1991 parliamentary inquiry to medically acquired HOV, wasn't going its way because of the testimony of the former late uh Aussie author Bryce Courtney, and because of Robert Hatch, and because of Lynn Hatch and because of Lorraine Siblick.
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Uh and they they what they did rather than just you know do the right thing and just say, listen, clearly the wrong thing has happened here.
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Let's get compensation happening for everyone, let's have an appropriate legal probe.
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What they did was they bring in this uh corrupt dodgy lawyer called Michael Kirby, he pours cold water on it, and then when I forced the 2004 Senate inquiry, Lynn, they didn't like the way it was going because the original chair was ousted, Steve Hutchins.
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He told me why he'd been threatened, by the way.
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Steve was a Christian like me, and so although we we didn't, Steve and I didn't share the same politics, I I I'm deeply against Labour politics, I'm deeply against liberal politics, okay, because both parties uh knew about this scandal for decades and didn't do the right thing.
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And when we know that children were killed by manslaughter, I lose respect for you, okay.
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So can I just interrupt for a minute?
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I've got to say that in my experience, all the issues that we had as a family have all been on the Labour watch.
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And me too.
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And I just lost my mum late last year who put up with me.
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Can you imagine talking about this horrible issue all my life?
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And you know, my mother and I, we had, she was a lovely woman.
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And we had so many laughs when we could be allowed to laugh.
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We were, you know, we we we we just didn't need this, okay?
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We didn't need this, we didn't need what you did, Michael Kirby, and to think of the betrayal, because really by 2004, when I forced that said inquiry, my mother had already had enough, okay?
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That should have been the end.
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I mean, I'll give you an example.
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When I've shown this to other lawyers around the world, they've said, look at your statement, and I just want to say everybody, please go to the show links.
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I forced that inquiry in 2004.
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I also helped the original chair write the terms of reference.
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Okay, so I had a lot to do with it.
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Uh, my mother gave me hundreds of thousands of dollars, okay, because very costly, all the research involved, there was a lot of work involved, and to have it fined against assisting hemophiliacs or infected blood families was outrageous, and to have it gate-crashed by people who are on salaries, like this British man, Stuart Lovetoe.
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Now, I I just want to mention this.
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This Stuart Lovetoe of this Hepatitis Council, now known as Hepatitis New South Wales, he says, We'll do nothing to get in your way, but we're not going to actively uh campaign with you.
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Well, the Hepatitis C Trust in the UK, they received public money and they were pivotal in campaigning for the UK's infected blood inquiry, which was called on July 11th, my birthday, 2017.
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It was the birthday present of a lifetimer.
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And that's how it was reported in the media for me, right?
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So they've done all of that.
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The Hemophilia Society UK are hapless, they've made mistakes, they didn't do enough to call for an inquiry, but even they ultimately did call for an inquiry.
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Our Haemophilia Foundation, Australia, and its state branches have never ever called for an inquiry, Lynn.
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Neither has this hepatitis body.
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And what's more, when this Stuart Lovedate gate crashed, my inquiry that I forced with my mum and the brave evidence of people like Michael Pollack, who, you know, this guy basically went public.
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Can you imagine going public and saying I was a tainted blood uh recipient, a victim, who then was asked to donate my blood plasma, and he donated for hemophiliacs about two times before stopping himself.
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They didn't tell him to stop.
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No.
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He said, I'm not doing it because I don't believe you.
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And his instincts were right.
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Well, he's lost millions, that man, right?
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Because if, you know, had people listened to him, he wouldn't have had the life that he's had all these years, right?
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He should have been compensated, he should have been acknowledged for the bravery, right?
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:47.039
But I just want to say this.
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So Stuart Loveday is gate-crashed into this inquiry, and if people go to the show links, you'll see in that document, Alliance of Bias, he says, look, we don't have the resources to answer the terms of reference.
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Well, why are you allowed at the inquiry?
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Why are you allowed to make a submission?
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Why?
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Because they're doing the same thing that they're doing with Michael Kirby at your inquiry, they're going to use him with the whole innocence routine.
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They're going to use him as a kind of moral arbiter.
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:20.079
Okay, even though that Kirby is no moral arbiter, I'll tell you what, he should be in jail.
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:23.839
Now, Lynn, this guy says we don't have the resources.
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He makes a submission saying that.
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Then, as he finds out later on in the inquiry, obviously his leftist friend Jan McLucas is telling him, Listen, it's gone against Charles McKenzie and his group.
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It's going to go in your favour.
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I mean, put it this way, after the inquiry finished, the only people that Jan McLucas wrote to was the health minister at that time uh calling for for more funding for Stuart Loveday and his organization.
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She didn't even call for compensation for hemophiliacs.
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Now, what I'm going to do, Lynn, is after he made his initial submission, after he found out the inquiry wasn't going in our way, he made a supplementary submission.
00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:04.559
Lynn, would you like to read those numbers uh one down all the way?
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Okay, well um read all the way his points to nine for uh for me, could you?
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Okay, let's go all the way to number nine.
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Okay, so so just read from there.
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All of that.
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Yes, one one to nine.
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Okay.
00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:23.920
In verbal evidence on 6th of April, Mr.
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Charles Mackenzie, administrator of the Tainted Blood Products Action Group, implied when describing the role of hepatitis C councils across Australia, that hepatitis C councils are community in brackets groups where people got got it, hepatitis C in brackets, through sharing needles.
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The implication that hepatitis C councils are in existence solely for and behalf of people who acquired hepatitis C through illicit drug using means is incorrect.
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All hepatitis councils in Australia, including the hepatitis C Council of New South Wales, have always provided information, support, referral, and advocacy services for all people with the with hepatitis C, whatever the route of tra the route of transmission.
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This can be evidenced from all our published reports, media, resources, websites, and other information sources that describe our work since 1991 and confirmed in our submissions to this inquiry.
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Okay, everybody.
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So that was point one.
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Now, okay, uh at no time did I ever say that uh these hep virus bodies were just for people who use drugs.
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But you see, what he's doing is he's doing the Michael Kirby blackmail, you know, you're a homophobe routine.
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This is the trick.
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Okay, but my point was they weren't, as a publicly funded body, they had the data.
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They knew that thousands of Australians had acquired Hep C.
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Why didn't they call for an inquiry?
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When the media rang them up and said, is what Charles Mackenzie saying true?
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Stuart Loveto would pour cold water on it and say, Oh no, no.
00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:09.519
That's why we didn't get a Royal Commission, because we were publicly funding people like that, right?
00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:12.800
Who's trying to make me out to be discriminatory against drug users?
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He never called for an inquiry.
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Okay, no.
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Please go to point two.
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We reject the assertion made by Mr.
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McKenzie that the reason the Hepatitis C Council of New South Wales differs from the position taken by the TPPAG.
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That's the group, our group was called the Trader Blood Product Action Group back then.
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Yes.
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With regard to recompense for people with blood transfusions, acquired hepatitis C is because we are funded primarily by the New South Wales government.
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The council is a fully independent, community-based, non-government organisation with a membership at 31st of May 2004 of 942 individuals and organizations, and with a management committee responsible for overall policy and direction.
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Elected from the membership.
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Elected from the membership.
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Many of our members are people who acquired hepatitis C through blood transfusion products or who required blood transfusion products who acquired hepatitis C through blood transfusion products.
00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:19.599
That's a deception.
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They weren't Australian.
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He had people that were from overseas, places like the Middle East.
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Yes.
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And many members are people who acquired hepatitis C through other means, including injecting drugs.
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:32.960
Okay, so here's the okay, let's stop there.
00:36:33.039 --> 00:36:35.679
So you see there he's saying he's rejecting what I said.
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I said they're primarily funded by the taxpayer.
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If you go to all of their annual reports, you'll find that 99% of their funding comes from the New South Wales government, and they might receive a couple of things like$1,200 a year in donations.
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So he rejects that.
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You see what we're saying, and this is what I'm saying, as a publicly funded body, right?
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These Kirby Institutes, these organizations, they're not being fair to income.
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And I know that in the UK that there's a campaign now they're calling the Hillsborough Law, where they're going to send bureaucrats to jail for doing this sort of stuff that Michael Kirby and his game mates get up to.
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And they're lying.
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And it says here, um it says here, and and can you read out point three?
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Yes.
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It is inconceivable to suggest, in the absence of further evidence alluded to by the Tainted Blood Products Action Group, in the hearings, on the 6th of April 6th of April, but not seen by us, that there may be malicious.
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I'll continue as you there may be malicious wrongdoing at the time.
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It would be a great concern if this was going to be the case.
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Well, now, we've had countless malicious things happen.
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Uh we've had people who claim that people who work for these hepatitis bodies had torn up their evidence and disappeared it when they talked about being tailored blood victims.
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We have their own executives, and I'll put this in the show links, everyone.
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Uh, Colin, who left the hepatitis groups and came to join my group, who's a former uh manager of theirs, because he said when he brought up the fact that he wanted to do something to tailor blood victims, he was shouted down, okay, and basically harassed out of the organization.
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Um so now you can see here with this supplementary submission though, that basically all he's doing is he's criticising anything and everything that I say.
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Okay?
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And basically, again, the whole concept is to pour cold water on the idea that there should be compensation for Australia's infected blood families.
00:38:45.679 --> 00:39:18.960
Charles, just a bit aside from that, don't you think that it's I don't know whether the word interesting is the right word to use, but as I said earlier, any any time that you or Mark Bryce Courtney or myself or my husband or Lorraine Siblik, any time we have tried to bring forward that people who medically acquired HIV and people who acquired it by other means or Hep C um we we've been shot down and we're always shot down by the gay community.
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Well, that's that exactly.
00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:22.800
Well, it's always the way that's and why would it be?
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Well, here's the thing.
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We know, right, this gay community, so here's my take.
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There were senior gay bureaucrats and senior ministers at the time of the AIDS crisis.
00:39:33.599 --> 00:39:41.199
Okay, so you've got Paul Keating, who wasn't Prime Minister at that time, but he was the treasurer of Australia, which is the second most powerful position in the land.
00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:41.679
Yes.
00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:48.159
Last week we discussed how when I was a child going to school with Martin Hatch, um, the badger among the kids.
00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:54.960
I mean, I'm not going to blame kids from bloody 1980s, but the badger was that he was they used to say in the terms, they used to call him a pufter.
00:39:55.360 --> 00:39:55.519
Okay.
00:39:55.679 --> 00:39:57.840
Now, I don't support that language today.
00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:02.639
That was the language of kids back then, but they everyone said Paul Keating's a poof.
00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:05.920
They said he's a kiddie fiddler, and all this sort of stuff, right?
00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:18.239
Now, he then basically someone persuades, and now we know that Bill Boto was the chief of staff for Paul Keating and the culpable Neil Blewett, the health minister that originally covered us up.
00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:18.880
And guess what?
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You know that Kirby, he actually made Neil Bluett a lifetime governor of the Kirby Institute.
00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:30.079
And in the show links from last week, he was talking about what a marvellous job you know uh Blewitt did.
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:31.199
He never called for an inquiry.
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This is manslaughter.
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How's that a marvellous job?
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We've had to go to police recently about a child who was killed in 1991 by these uh hemophilia treatments when that never happened anywhere.
00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:43.519
And and this Kirby characters say it's a commendable job.
00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:45.360
No, Charles, excuse me interrupting.
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:52.800
Um what you the point I'd like to make, which I'm sure the population of Australia would would all all think the same.
00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:57.039
The politicians and the bureaucrats are here to look after us.
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Us the tax.
00:40:58.880 --> 00:40:59.679
That's what they're here for.
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:00.719
They've turned it around.
00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:03.039
They played a playground for Kirby and isn't it?
00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:04.880
Well, that's it serves Keating.
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:13.039
I mean, Keating gets the point him because he poured cold water on Tana Blood and saved the government billions of dollars and saved them embarrassment of their reputations and all the rest of it.
00:41:13.360 --> 00:41:21.840
But Charles, more and more, and it's happening to this day as we speak, more and more we are not being looked after by the politicians.
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:22.559
And guess what?
00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:26.079
And we pay, but we don't get what we pay for.
00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:28.239
We don't get the representation we pay for.
00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:42.800
If you get the gay lobby, you know, certainly in then, and even now, I mean the fact that we have this gay Mardi Gras in in Sydney and it costs millions of dollars to but why do we have to do it?
00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:50.159
But why do we have to spend millions of dollars on Bill Botel, who is a chief of staff to the criminal Neil Blewart and to the criminal Paul Keaton?
00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:57.679
He then gets a TV series painting him as the hero of HIV in 2023, this series In Our Blood.
00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:08.239
He's written a book, uh like a self-published or published by Monash University, his mate's it's like a 50-page-long book or something, or a small little book, and it's called Politics of Pandemics.
00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:11.599
And in that book, he said he led a world-renowned response to HIV.
00:42:11.920 --> 00:42:14.400
Lynn, how do you feel after loss of Martin?
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How do you feel about that?
00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:18.000
Oh well, I just feel I mean, and it's a wonderful.
00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:20.960
How do you feel about the fact that that show cost millions of dollars?
00:42:21.039 --> 00:42:26.000
Yes, it's and more money was given to that show than was given to hemophiliacs with hep seeds.
00:42:26.079 --> 00:42:26.400
Yes, yes.
00:42:26.719 --> 00:42:28.079
Bill Botel is a criminal.
00:42:28.239 --> 00:42:36.239
Now, everybody, I was just gonna say that this other inquiry crasher, this Stuart Lovdo, I'm gonna make a confession for everybody.
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We have some hemophilia families that will be listening.
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And some of these uh uh infected blood families have only joined us in recent times, so they don't know, like they just don't know that I did 30 years or we did 30 years, or you did have done 40 years of fighting, right?
00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:58.800
In the 1990s, Australian hemophiliacs were telling me endlessly about Stuart Loveto.
00:42:59.920 --> 00:43:06.400
They told me that he'd been specifically brought here from the UK to ruin hemophilia chances.
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:07.920
That is what they told me.
00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:14.639
I didn't listen to them, and I just thought that our or didn't listen enough.
00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:25.360
I just thought that our best way forward was to concentrate on the legal arguments, to concentrate on the evidence rather than focus in on what I thought at the time might be a conspiracy theory.
00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:32.960
Okay Some of the people that told me that they died in bad circumstances, okay, in great poverty.
00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:38.880
And some of the last thing they said was that please make sure that those people are held to account.
00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:41.119
Please have Stuart Loveto held to account.
00:43:41.679 --> 00:43:52.320
Now, I was saying earlier that the this these government-funded hepatitis bodies around Australia, they discriminated against tailor blood victims, and they basically ruined that 2004-7 inquiry.
00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:55.280
They basically ruined that 2004-7 inquiry.
00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:58.079
One second, Lynn, because very important leading points we're on to now.
00:43:58.320 --> 00:43:58.639
Lynn.
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:14.159
Um This is the a document that Colin who was a former executive with the Hep Science Australia, could you just read out that document for me from here and then we'll get to the point that you wanted to raise?
00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:17.360
Now he he gave that to that 2004 inquiry.
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Right.
00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:19.199
Okay.
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Committee, dear sir and madam, it has been brought to my attention that offering compensation to people with medically acquired hep C, specifically via transfusion of blood or blood pikes, may constitute unfair discrimination against people who have acquired the hepatitis C virus by other means.
00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:48.480
For example, substance abuse, substance abuse, and in particular intravenous drug use and abuse by sharing of needles.
00:44:48.800 --> 00:45:00.239
As a former member of the Managed Committee of the Hepatitis C Council of Queensland and the co-chairman of that committee for one year, I do not believe this is the case.
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:07.679
During my time on the management committee, I dealt with many people from all walks of life who had become infected with hepatitis C.
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:18.880
It became very evident to me that the need, support, counselling of those with medically acquired hepatitis C were entirely different to those who had acquired the virus by other means.
00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:32.239
Injecting drug users and by and by and large were accepting of their fate and still continued in many cases to continue to use drugs with a somewhat couldn't careless attitude.
00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:36.000
I found this to be quite disturbing and very alarming.
00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:47.679
While those who with medically acquired transfused hepatitis C were absolutely crushed when were absolutely crushed when they learned of this of their affix affection.
00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:52.880
Marriages, seemingly good marriages, were suddenly put under tremendous strain.
00:45:53.119 --> 00:45:59.119
Mothers and fathers were so devastated they could not bring themselves to tell their children and families of their illness.
00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:03.519
Some faced dismissal from their employment, some had already been dismissed.
00:46:03.760 --> 00:46:09.679
Many simply could not bring themselves to cope with the knowledge of their infection and became suicidal.
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:17.920
With this in mind, I ended the year 2000 to start a support group here on the Gold Coast for those who had medical acquired hepatitis C.
00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:20.880
I was encouraged but not supported in this endeavour.
00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:29.519
The reason being it was made known to me that the subject of compensation would arise and this may not be a path to pursue.
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:34.079
Also, it was pointed out that the support group should be open to all.
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I had no intention of turning anyone anyway any way away in this any case.
00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:47.440
To have the terms of the support group dictated to me was in my opinion an act of discrimination of itself.
00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:54.159
I had the group I and the group were being discriminated against before we had even started.
00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:57.679
Consequently, the group never came to fruition, sadly.
00:46:57.920 --> 00:47:09.119
Have you ever been to dinner where a special place has been set for you, being refused life assurance, had personal files marked in red and underlined hepatitis C.
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Had a doctor referred to refer you to his nurse or to draw blood for a test?
00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:21.440
There are many other similar instances that have become the lot of people with transfused hepatitis C.
00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:30.639
Many, many of us have suffered in silence over many years for the fear of discrimination should our dark secret become public knowledge.
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:36.719
We have become priors in the living in the living in a situation not of our choosing.
00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:40.559
We are the innocent victims trapped in a world not of our choice.
00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:45.599
In closing, I have the greatest sympathy and compassion for those who carry this virus.
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However, compensation for medically acquired transfused sufferers of hepatitis C does not constitute discrimination in any way, shape or form in any circumstances.
00:47:56.639 --> 00:48:02.400
For reasons of privacy, I have not named the persons per person to my story.
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I can assure you, however, they are the absolute truth.
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There you go.
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And that was Colin Labor, okay, who joined our group from their group.
00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:12.800
He's that's the late Colin Labour.
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And even after giving that evidence to the 2004 inquiry, guess what they did?
00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:18.960
They sided with Stuart Lovdo.
00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:22.639
Now, there's other videos in the show links, everybody.
00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:31.599
You'll see me getting into a debate with Stuart where he basically what he used to do was he gate crash meetings of victims, okay?
00:48:31.760 --> 00:48:37.519
And this is evidence, I'm just now going to uh tell you, Lynn, this is some of the most serious evidence I need to tell you.
00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:46.639
We'd have hemophilia families or infected blood families at our meetings, and they would in some cases be quite distressed because they hadn't received a lot of information from the government.
00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:50.719
They know that their children now are uh infected.
00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:59.360
Um, and what's happened is they have basically uh gone to our meetings hoping to get some sort of answer, right?
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:01.280
We'll get this, and you'll see this, everybody.
00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:02.639
Uh uh put it in the show links.
00:49:02.719 --> 00:49:20.639
But essentially this Stuart Loveday gate crashes, just like he gate-crashed our 2004 Senate quarry, and he gate crashes and says, Um, well, you know, um, when they're talking about the need for help for their children, he says, Well, I saw a media article on the weekend, the Sydney Morning Herald, where people were described describing themselves as innocent.
00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:25.519
He then chastised those parents about, even though they weren't the ones that did it.
00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:30.239
You heard Lynn in the video earlier, he chastised people for claiming that they're innocent.
00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:33.360
And the person in the video said, But I never said I was innocent.
00:49:33.519 --> 00:49:34.800
Did you see that video, Lynn?
00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:35.679
Right.
00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:38.639
So what he's done, so nobody knows.
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:42.079
What they've done is there were two components to turn to blog.
00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:44.480
There was HIV, okay, and there's Hep C.
00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:44.880
Right.
00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:48.719
There's of course HEP B, but the two main ones, HIV and Hep C, right?
00:49:48.800 --> 00:49:51.599
So HIV is addressed essentially in 1985.
00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:56.559
Well, when we say addressed, they haven't addressed the cover up, but they've they've booked testing in, okay?
00:49:56.800 --> 00:49:58.079
The testing in, right.
00:49:58.719 --> 00:50:12.159
Now, now, so so what's happened is you've got uh say 1,300 Australians approximately who've acquired HIV from the blood supply, but you've got tens of thousands who've acquired it from the hepatitis C from the blood supply.
00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:18.480
So this Stuart Loveday, I think he conspired with the Kirby Institute, right, because they're connected.
00:50:18.719 --> 00:50:21.840
It was Justice Kirby, or he wasn't a justice then.
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:35.199
When he was a lawyer, he was drafted into your 1991 HIV parliamentary inquiry to serve the role of pouring cold water and to sort of create this idea that really everyone's um that that everyone's innocent.
00:50:35.360 --> 00:50:38.880
And sorry, that no one's innocent, or you shouldn't use the term innocent, right?
00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:42.480
That everyone's in the same category, and that no one in any way is culpable.
00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:52.079
But we now know that that's a criminal fraud based on the decision of Sir Brian Langstaff, the UK judge, he said what happened to hemophilia or what happened to hemophiliacs was no accident.
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:58.000
In fact, we know Professor Arthur Bloom was knowingly putting children at risk, and we know that that's what happened to Martin.
00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:00.880
In my opinion, Martin is a victim of manslaughter, right?
00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:07.679
But but if you listen to these guys, this gay lawyer Kirby, you you'd come away thinking that they were the victims.
00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:09.760
That somehow that we we discriminate.
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And just asking for compensation.
00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:13.360
I mean, can I ask you a question?
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Why is a a guy like Stuart Loveday, a gay guy from England, why is he lecturing parents who've gone through something horrific about the terminology by which they describe their children?
00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:27.840
Well, I don't know that he's got the right to do it to start with.
00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:29.119
How is it in the public interest?
00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:32.320
Well, the taxpayers are paying him.
00:51:33.039 --> 00:51:34.000
Yes, taxpayers paying.
00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:52.559
But but Charles I'll be brief, but throughout this whole uh for many, many, many, many years, from the day that Martin was infected until the day that he died we we we were up against we're up against it.
00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:54.320
The system the system.
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And and you know, not just us, I mean all the other families as well.
00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:04.000
I mean I I know terrific stories about other families, but we're up against it.
00:52:04.079 --> 00:52:14.000
And even from the day that Martin died, we've still been up against it because the politicians, the government, the bureaucrats, they're all in honour.
00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:15.519
Yes, and like the Wicker Man.
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:16.400
Everyone's in honour.
00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:28.559
And yeah, and as we said at the inquiry, out the inquiry in 1991, we said to the committee, what why why is this Michael Kirby coming into the into play?
00:52:28.719 --> 00:52:32.559
What what you know what for this in put it in simple terms, what's the story?
00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:33.199
What is it?
00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:35.840
Well, we did the same as Stuart Lodd though when he turned up, because what?
00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:54.719
Reverend Reverend Bill Cruz, I'll never forget this, when we had the public hearings at New South Wales Parliament, Reverend Bill Cruz, before he'd been captured by the conspirators who covered this up because Bill Cruz has paid 10 million not to publicly call on Australia's Prime Minister to call for a royal commission, which he promised to do.
00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:58.880
But he came to me in a break of the hearings and he said, Guess what?
00:52:59.039 --> 00:53:01.679
I've just seen that Stuart Loveday shaking in the toilets.
00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:02.079
Oh, yeah.
00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:23.599
He's shaking because I had an argument with him, and they brought this Stuart Loveday in, and one of the committee members who is corrupt says to me, Well, if you're saying all of this, Charles Mackenzie, why does hepatitis New South Wales and Stuart Loveday, you know, the the pinnacle, like Justice Kirby, they're presenting him as the moral arbiter, even though he wasn't a justice at that time.
00:53:23.679 --> 00:53:27.119
He got made a justice by doing this conspiracy, a payoff, because he's corrupt.
00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:34.960
But they bring this gay Love Day lunatic in, and I call him a lunatic not because he's gay, but because he's a liar.
00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:36.239
I almost swore then.
00:53:36.639 --> 00:53:43.599
Um but they bring him in and he was shaking because we he and I got in a debate and they said, Well, why does he have that opinion and you don't?
00:53:43.679 --> 00:53:50.559
And I said, Uh I leaned into the microphone and I said, Uh, because he's government funded and I'm not.
00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:57.599
The entire crowd in the public hearing, it was so full that people had to stand outside.
00:53:57.840 --> 00:53:59.840
You can see this for yourself, everybody.
00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:05.360
See if I'm a liar, you can find it in my statements in the UK, you can find it in the public hearing's own transcripts.
00:54:05.519 --> 00:54:14.079
Uh, the chair, uh, Jam McLucas, told the crowd that they could had to stop laughing and making so much noise or they'd be asked to leave.
00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:18.239
There was an uproar because everyone in the room knew exactly what was going on.
00:54:18.400 --> 00:54:21.679
That guy was coming in to be an inquiry crasher.
00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:25.199
His role was to come in and pull just like Kirby.
00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:25.679
Yeah, I think that's a good thing.
00:54:25.760 --> 00:54:27.360
And that's why to shut it down.
00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:30.320
And that's why everybody, please have a look at the show links.
00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:41.679
This uh link, the most important one, uh, this one called the Alliance, the the Alliance of Bioness, okay, that I've had Lynn read uh some excerpts of.
00:54:41.840 --> 00:54:46.480
There's just so much evidence here of the discrimination that we're subject to.
00:54:46.639 --> 00:54:51.840
Um, you know, and I'll tell you what, I have uh I was infected as a kid, Lynn.
00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:59.920
And people like Kirby, people like Bill Botel, people like Stuart Loveday, people like this whole lot, they've lived very lavish lives.
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:05.039
I mean, it's clear that they've made millions of dollars for themselves from the taxpayer, right?
00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:10.639
I mean, Bill Botel's had a TV series where, you know, he's painted as the hero of HIV.
00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:21.199
I don't know how a chief of staff to Paul Keating and a health minister somehow gets our public broadcaster to spend more money on his fantasy, his subterfuge, than on hemophiliacs with hep C.
00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:22.559
I just don't know how that happens.
00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:38.079
But what they've done, Lynn, all my life, ever since I've been young, is I've been made out, and you'll find this if you go to the document, The Alliance of Baas, you'll see that when I started campaigning, Lynn, they were putting out um publications saying that I was a discriminator.
00:55:38.239 --> 00:55:43.119
That basically I had started life seeking to discriminate against people who use drugs.
00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:46.880
Now, Lynn, I mean, what the bloody hell are they talking about?
00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:48.239
I was a kid that went to St.
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Andrew's Cathedral School, for goodness sake, just like Martin.
00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:54.480
I couldn't give two s two hoots about drugs.
00:55:54.559 --> 00:55:57.519
I knew nothing about it, I couldn't care less about bloody hair.
00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:01.199
I didn't want it in my life, I didn't want it in other people's lives, but it wasn't on my mind.
00:56:01.360 --> 00:56:08.400
And they're making out that my whole campaign, they're making out that the whole reason I was doing it was to discriminate against people who took drugs.
00:56:08.480 --> 00:56:09.199
No, it wasn't.
00:56:09.280 --> 00:56:11.119
It was to get answers for kids like Martin.
00:56:11.280 --> 00:56:14.960
It was to get help for people like my long-suffering mother because we had no help.
00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:19.280
It was to get help for other families, and they made me out to be a bloody Hitler.
00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:21.119
I've been a Hitler for 40 years.
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They make me out he discriminates.
00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:33.280
And then the other thing that they they I now have, a couple of people in the public, which I think the Kirby Institute may be inspiring, are trying to make me out to be uh what they call a homophobe, okay?
00:56:33.599 --> 00:56:36.320
Which is apparently where you fear homosexuals.
00:56:36.400 --> 00:56:38.559
Listen, I fear Michael Kirby's a liar.
00:56:38.719 --> 00:56:45.119
I fear Stuart Loveday's a liar, I fear Bill Botel is a liar, I don't fear gay, the gay Australian public.
00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:48.800
And in fact, I'm here to defend them, and I'll tell you how, and I've said that on this series.
00:56:48.960 --> 00:56:51.199
I'll tell you how, and this is how we're gonna go.
00:56:51.519 --> 00:57:04.320
The reason that Kirby was asked to get crash that inquiry, and the reason that Stuart Loveday was asked to get cash my inquiry, so all the inquiries were no inquiries in Australia because we've had no lawyers, no judges involved.
00:57:04.480 --> 00:57:11.199
The reason for it is bigger than it just being about funding Michael Kirby and his Kirby Institute.
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The reason is because the Australian government wanted to cover up what they did with the gaze, not just with the hemophiliacs, they want to cover up how they use gaze in experiments uh to develop hepatitis B vaccines in the late 1970s and early 80s.
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Those gay men, okay, it is a strong suspicion, the evidence strongly points to them having been uh uh infected as a result of the development of that hep B vaccine.
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There may have been gay men who develop AIDS, not as a consequence of unprotected sex, but because of the development of the hepsitis B vaccine.
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Now, this was happening before 1983.
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So Neil blew it and the Labour government come in in 1983.
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Neil Blew is hiding the fact that he's gay.
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He has a chief of staff that Bill Botel, who's very publicly open about gay.
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They have their mentor, Michael Kirby, who's gay.
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Um decriminalisation of uh homosexuality in New South Wales happens in 1983, the same year that the Labor uh come uh federal government.
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Um, you know, it's all these things are happening at once, right?
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So I think what they've done is they've said, listen, we we don't want liability, we don't want anyone to find out that we've killed the gay community, that we've infected people with hemophilia, not just in Australia, uh sorry, we've infected people with HIV and hep C who have this hemophilia uh condition, not just here in Australia, but in New Zealand, in in Hong Kong, in Malaysia and other parts of the globe.
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And in fact, as the ABC's Samantha Hawley, uh a foreign correspondent, wrote, uh they made sure to put it only on the website, they said that Cornwall City Laboratories has infected tens of thousands of people around the world.
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That's what the ABC said.
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And yet they won't have a four corners or a 730 report.
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So what they've done is they've gone, look, they found a corrupt lawyer, this Kirby guy, right?
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And they've just gone, right, you corrupt man, we know what you want.
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Um we'll make you a high court charge.
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Just poor cold water, because if this comes out, we've got to fuck pay the bill for all the people, all the hemophiliacs we infected overseas, we've got to pay the bill for the homosexuals that we've killed, developing a hep beer vaccine for Merck, Sharp, and Dome in the United States and the World Health Organization.
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So what they did was they thought, let's paint this as a great victory for homosexuals.
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Let's paint anyone who asks questions of a homophobe or Charles Mackenzie or a bad person, and in that way, we won't have to face any um responsibility for having infected thousands of people overseas or for having uh potentially harmed and killed uh gays with our HEP B vaccines.
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And then when Stuart Loveday comes in of the Hep Sea Council, New South Wales, now known as Hep C Hepatitis New South Wales, he comes in and he takes that Kirby innocent routine.
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And basically what they did was we've got letters where we know that Neil Blewett, the gay health minister, who was lying to his wife about his homosexuality, who she's found dead in 1988, Jill, his wife Jill, we know that he was having Labour politicians and figures in the government write to parents of hemophilic children in the 1980s.
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And some of these parents will say, Listen, my kids are innocent.
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I've had multiple boys infected with viruses.
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And Blewitz had his staff write back and say, we we reject your use of the term innocent.
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And here that was that that's happening in the 1980s, and here I am forcing a sending inquiry in 2004.
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And what do you know?
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This hepatitis groups connected to the Kirby Institute are saying we reject your this Mackenzie's assertions about drug users, and we, you know, making me out to be discriminatory against drug users.
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This is the same play that they use as that HIV inquiry in 1991.
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They do it all the time.
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They do it, they do it constantly.
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Oh, the inquiry crashes.
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That's why they are, Lynn.
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Now you you had a point you wanted to mention earlier.
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What was it?
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Um the the point was that there's two points actually.
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Um the first point is we in during that inquiry there was recommendations about you know help, financial help for people with HIV.
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Uh, well, that financial help never materialized ever, ever, ever.
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So put that one aside.
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Uh and I think because Michael Kirby put the total dampener on the whole thing, and you know, and I've said this before, but in simple terms, and I can't really use this word on this podcast, but why?
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What did he have to do with the price of eggs?
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Why did they bring him in?
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Why?
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So put that aside for a minute.
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But the second thing is that the this whole thing from when Martin was infected and to uh when our other son was infected with hep C, it's we we we the taxpayers, and I will use the word innocent, we go about our business, we pay our taxes, we go to work, but we have to fight the government and the bureaucrats for something that is rightfully ours.
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Uh and and the government and the bureaucrats, even to this day, they still protect the gay community.
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What is it about the gay community that that needs to be so protected?
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Oh, I don't know.
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I don't I don't know that they necessarily honestly protect the gay community.
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I think they're protecting the reputations, and I'll tell you what it is, because it's convenient for them.
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They're using it as an excuse because they've murdered people.
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Let me explain.
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What they did to hemophilac was genocide.
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What they did to hemophilacs in New Zealand was genocide.
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They're on the hook, Lynn.
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They're going to jail, Lynn.
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So what they've done is they've created an excuse to say anyone who prohibes what happens to hegemophilia children is somehow discriminatory against gays.
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And the people promoting this, Paul Keating, no less, whose own daughters are now pictured in mainstream press having a relationship with a paedophile known as Andrew Epstein.
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Paul Keating was gay, Bill Boto was gay, Michael Kirby was gay, Neil Blewett was gay.
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They're gay, they're all gay, but what they're not doing is properly representing the gays, and I'll tell you how.
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This is how.
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The idea is prejudiced.
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The idea that if you're gay, you don't want the truth, I reject.
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And I reject it to my death.
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There are gay lawyers in Australia who are fantastic and they want the truth as much as I do.
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It's this group of gays, this group of men who've let down the whole gay community.
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There are gays who listen to this podcast who want the truth.
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And we are going to see to it that Paul Keating is prosecuted, Michael Kirby's prosecuted, Bill Botel is prosecuted, Neil Blewitt's prosecuted, they have let down the gay community.
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But but they also have let down their their their constituents.
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Of course.
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They've let us down.
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They have great everybody.
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And to have been shoved in our face, and I'll use that expression shoved in our face, two or three years ago, Albanese?
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Mardi Gras?
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Yes.
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He's the first Prime Minister ever to march in the gay.
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Well, he's but he's beholden to Michael Kirby.
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He's the criminal, he's the head of this criminal conspiracy.
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But why is it why do we, as taxpayers, why do we care that he's the first Prime Minister to march in the gay Mardi Gras?
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And secondly, the gay Mardi Gras costs the taxpayers of New South Wales many millions of dollars.
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I actually went one one Sunday morning after there'd been a gay Mardi Gras, I had to go to the airport actually fairly early in the morning.
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What I saw from where I lived to the airport, on the streets, in coffee shops and things around, absolutely disgusting.
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And and we, the the the Sydney City Council had to clean up those streets.
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Well, I I I'll say this.
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Um though that may be disappointing that there are some unpleasant scenes after all the parties or whatever.
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But here's the thing, I've got another question.
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Funding the Mardi Gras.
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Now, here's my point.
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There are Australians who appreciate the Mardi Gras.
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Oh, yes, I know that.
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Please.
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So so on that basis, and they are taxpayers, and I I defend them.
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Okay.
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So if they if they want the Mardi Gras, then in their opinion, that is a rightful use of public monies.
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Okay, because they're getting something from it, aren't they?
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Here's my beef.
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We funded Michael Kirby's Kirby Institute to the tune of tens of millions of dollars.
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Now, are there people that are benefiting from the Kirby Institute not telling the truth about Australia's deadliest medical scandal or about our worst treatment scandal?
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Why has the Kirby Institute?
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Let's look at it.
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They're established in 1986, they received tens of millions.
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I was infected in 1980 as a child, your other son, Aaron, was infected in 1988.
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They could have told us to beware.
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They could have told us, but we weren't because we told by ITA that everything's fine and that the treatments have been purified, there's nothing.
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So we were landing.
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To the slaughter.
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And yet that Kirby, since for 40 years, has had tens of millions of dollars for an organization that's a fraud.
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They failed.
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They failed in a way that led to me as a child spending my whole life as an affected person.
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Lynn, I've still got tainted blood today.
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I'm 53 years of age, it's been my whole life.
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They have what they have done has not been a success.
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I don't think they represent the gay community well.
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And I actually think Lynn, and I'm going to end on this, everybody, and I'm going to thank Lynn for her wonderful evidence because it's so crucial.
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I actually think this is an opportunity for the gay community.
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And I'll tell you how.
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Now, I am convinced that the gay community, like any other community, ultimately, when it comes down to it, appreciates the truth.
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And so let's get to the truth and let's start improving things.
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Let's start improving relations.
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Because, you know, recently, Lynn, the Kirby Institute announced that they will be being used as the justification to lift uh restrictions on some of the gay blood donations.
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I was just thinking about that.
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No, yes.
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The Kirby Institute are sponsored by CSL, a pharmaceutical company who make profits from selling blood plasma.
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I mean, you cannot hope for a greater conflict of interest.
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And they get away with it by putting that dodgy, supposed justice.
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He's no justice, he's no judge.
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I've been looking at him and his interviews, and I'm disgusted, and I'll say this right now.
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I was infected as a child, and I've known many other children that were infected as kids, and guess what?
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There were mates of mine, and I took some of their last calls.
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Okay?
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I heard some of their last words.
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Michael Kirby, I have nothing against you or your hero, Arthur Kinsey, the guy who uh, you know, that this sexual researcher or whatever that uh inspired Kirby and his Kirby Institute.
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I've got nothing against any of them.
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I was just a kid, and now I'm an adult.
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I've lost my family, they're all dead, my mother's dead, so many of our families are gone.
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I want the truth.
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And don't you dare describe me or anyone else as being discriminatory for wanting just that.
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I was infected as a child, I'm an adult.
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How dare adults ever suggest that children with tainted blood are here to discriminate against drug users or discriminate against people who have different sexual practices or whatever practice they have?
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It's outrageous.
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It's a pathetic excuse.
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It was concocted by the the malicious and malevolent games of people like Paul Keating, Michael Kirby, Bill Botel, and Neil Bluett.
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And in Neil Bluett's case, you know, if this whole thing has been such a success success story, why was his wife found dead in 1988?
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And why did he not tell the truth about the nature of his wife's death in 1988?
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He said that she'd been electrocuted.
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Twenty years later he said, Oh no, she committed suicide, and I didn't tell the truth to protect the children.
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Well, that may in his own walked mind be a noble thing, but it wasn't the truth.
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It wasn't the truth.
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And we must have the truth.
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Well, everybody, thank you, Lynn.
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This is another great episode.
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We haven't finished, Charles.
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I mean today we've finished, but we haven't.
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Oh no, we haven't, because let me tell you something.
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If everyone goes and have a look at that Alliance of Bias document, if you are an internet sleev, you will see it for yourself, right?
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There's so much more to say about Kirby.
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There's so much more to say about Stuart Loveday.
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The inquiry crashes.
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And please, everybody, please go to our show links where you can support, if you haven't done so already, our call for a petition of a Royal Commission into the Australian Red Cross CSL infected blood scandal.
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And you can also purchase a Make Accountability Happen Again cap, very high quality baseball cap, basically, made from good quality materials.
01:09:42.239 --> 01:09:46.960
Um and the money will go Lynn to help pay our legal bills because we're going to need them.
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We've got lawyers right now negotiating for an inquiry.
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It's exciting, isn't it?
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Very.
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And you wait when we get that inquiry, you wait.
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Again, it will not be used as an exercise to uh vilify any innocent person or to do anything wrong or to subject any community to anything negative.
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But what it will be doing is as so important given the role played by these damned inquiry crashes, it will hopefully get us to the truth.
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Thank you so much for listening, everyone, and goodbye.