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What's up, everybody, and welcome to the Westside Barbell podcast.
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I'm your host, Mac McFarlane, and with me today is Tom Barry.
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Tom, how's it going?
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Good, Mac.
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How are you, sir?
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Doing good, doing good.
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Thank you for jumping on the podcast today.
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No problem.
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I'm here for emergencies.
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I do love the backdrop.
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Whose gloves are those?
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Those are Muhammad Ali's autograph gloves.
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That's dope.
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That's awesome.
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Yeah.
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Figure how to pay tribute to the goat.
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That's super cool.
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Well, what do you have on the agenda for me today, bud?
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All right.
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So for today, for those that follow online and aren't here in person to see what's happening every single day, I was just going to ask you to kind of give like a brief overview of what's happening in the gym and some of the athlete's success over the past couple months.
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Yeah.
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So we train in the mornings, five days a week.
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I'd say it's fair you can split it up into two different groups.
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You have the combat sport athletes and the field sport athletes.
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So every Monday, Wednesday and Friday, we have our lacrosse group who are coming in.
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That started with Ali and Justin.
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And now we have Colin, Blake and Taylor.
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who has recently joined.
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During the summer, we had some high-level high schoolers and college guys in.
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A standout from that group was Kay Galco.
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Kay crushed it because for someone in college to ask the questions he did and have the level of consistency and doing stuff outside the gym was super cool to see, like to where there's hunger for development of it.
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Especially like...
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When, if you haven't been indoctrinated into sled work, it is not the most appealing of things to do.
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And gosh, you did it all the time, just working on starts and stops and some sled sprints over 10, 20 yards to help be explosive off the line.
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But yeah, that's our lacrosse crew.
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We do the three day split.
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One common denominator with all our athletes is we do the three day version of the system.
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There is zero things wrong with the four day system.
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It's tried and trusted produce over 150 world records.
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Louis had that down pat, especially for powerlifting and strength sports.
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We started working with athletes in about 2013.
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we realized they needed another day back to themselves, either for skill development, recovery, or just to have a kind of a variable day to do whatever they need to do on that.
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And it helps with consistency, because when you're working with athletes, you're a part of a whole big system.
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when Louis ran the club, like you were a club.
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So you have to turn up because you're doing your sport specific work and your training work and you better be there on time.
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When we're doing strength conditioning in the athlete gym,
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And for those that don't know, we've got two separate gyms.
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We have the old school Westside Gym, the Legacy Gym for people to come see.
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Everyone's more welcome to visit.
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Just reach out to Mac.
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And you get to use the pieces.
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Well, explain it.
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It allows us to tell the story of where everything came from.
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And then we have the Athletes Gym next door, which is just a little bit more...
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lack of a better word, modern, it's the same stuff.
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We still have our official Westside Barbell dumbbell holder, which is called The Floor.
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We inherited that.
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It lets us know that people are using dumbbells.
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But the three-day system is Monday's Combined Dynamic Effort,
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which we're doing upper and lower body, followed by accessory work.
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And then we have our max effort upper on Wednesday and max effort lower on Friday.
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Like that's the general system.
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Now it will adapt.
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We will mold the methods, which are max effort, dynamic effort, repeated effort method, on the context of what the athlete needs.
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So we've got competitions coming up.
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We might pull back on some max effort work, increase volume in repeated effort method or utilize dynamic effort.
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It just depends on what is necessary.
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So we take the foundations, everything from Louis, the legacy, the four-day system.
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And then we train different...
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Or synergistical strength training in one week.
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And what I mean by that is we can train max effort, dynamic effort, repeated effort.
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We can work on strength endurance, isometrics, all synergistical qualities we train concurrently.
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And it is concurrent training.
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That's method of periodization we do because of that fast feedback loop.
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So if an athlete gives you feedback, you can adjust on the spot.
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So then next week's workouts might be changed based on that.
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And then I'd say the differences we are tweaking with is the accessories on the max effort upper and max effort lower days.
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Traditionally, if it was lower, all your accessories were lower.
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So you'd hit your lift, you try to hit the heaviest lift you can on that day.
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PRs are great, but when you're working with athletes, you have so much more room just to lift heavy.
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It mightn't be a PR because we're not an absolute strength sport like powerlifting.
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and then your primary accessory after that, and then it would be all lower body.
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But what we're doing now is mixing in upper and lower body.
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So we'll hit our main lift, just say if it's a snatch grip deadlift, then we'll go on to the primary accessory, which because we know a snatch grip deadlift is going to be taxing the lower back, so we might do a squat.
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We might just do some modification.
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but we'll work up on that, and then we might throw in some upper and lower with the following accessories, just to make it a little bit more total body, but still honing in on its lower body prime accessory is to target a weakness, and it seems to be carrying over a little bit better.
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And that's the beauty of this system, is you get to run your own experiments, see what's working, because the athlete is never going to regress
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It just allows, and so far it's very hard to dispute the four-day system or the three-day system.
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With the jiu-jitsu crew, we're going to pull it back in.
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We're training five or six days a week.
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We're going to go back just to the three days, just to help with that consistency factor.
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then in terms of volume, we will have more accessories based towards field sport for the lacrosse athletes.
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And then the JITS crew, they're Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday.
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Same type of split, combined dynamic effort, two max efforts.
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And they're really dense sessions.
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A lot of them are total body, same concept.
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But it's all coming from the foundational aspect of the four-day system.
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Nice.
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That's really interesting because there's a few different things we can kind of dive into just off of that alone.
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But you mentioned Cade being a standout.
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Now, for an athlete to stand out for you, does that mean that they have to be the strongest?
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Because you mentioned him asking some questions.
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You want to dive into that?
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Yeah, I think the more the athlete gets involved and takes ownership of their training, the better it's going to be.
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If you're going to be a professional athlete, you're basically running.
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You're the CEO of your own body.
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You're taking charge of that.
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So the more informed you are and the better feedback you can give, the more dialed in training can.
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Especially if we have them for three to four hours a week.
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they're going to have some downtime and if they want to do training and they go like, hey, what can I do here?
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Like, what do you think would be best?
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And they give feedback if it's carrying over to the sport.
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Like that's a coach's dream is to have someone who's consistent, very good at giving feedback.
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And the more you train, the better the level of feedback you can give because your physical literacy comes up so you know more about your body, how it's moving, how it's performing.
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And then especially when you're doing sports specific stuff outside of here, you can see is it converting over?
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Like I'm getting really strong in the gym, but I'm not getting any better in my sport.
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Like, okay, we have a transfer issue here, so we got to work on that.
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But it's just people who want to be students.
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They want to know what to do and they don't have to have
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a high level knowledge of Latin terminology, but they want to know like, hey, how is this benefiting me?
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What are we doing?
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Why are we doing it?
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And it helps develop trust and back to the feedback.
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They become so articulate that if they have to go, like for Ali, she went away for, gosh, nearly half the summer, but she knows how to train herself and she knows she's got questions, she can reach out.
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The same with Dante.
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Like to me, Dante and Ali set the benchmarks of professionalism because they give feedback
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You don't have to chase them up.
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You don't have to ask them.
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They just give it because they take everything they do serious, both inside and outside the gym, from nutrition, recovery, all these aspects.
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So when you see someone starting to strength train, they start asking these questions regularly.
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and they actually go out and do it, and they're showing you videos like, hey, is that right?
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Then you're like, okay, that's someone who is taking this seriously and wants to give themselves the best shot to be a pro athlete.
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Because it's not gonna work out for everyone, but at least if you can say, I gave it everything, it didn't work out, well then you have that to set back on.
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Nice, and with that feedback,
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One thing I don't want people to get from this is that, hey, I went ahead and did this session.
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Should they give feedback right after that session?
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Is there a prerequisite for how long they should be training before they're allowed to give feedback?
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I don't believe so.
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I think it just gets better over time.
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We've all done stuff to where you start a new hobby and now you believe you're an expert in it and then you start talking to someone who's a real expert and you're like, oh, I went way above my head here.
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But just in general, getting used to talking.
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It doesn't have to be straight after training.
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If it is, it's great.
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If not, no problem.
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But it's just understanding that you're not going through the motions.
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You're not here just to go through a workout, you're here to train.
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And the more you give feedback, the better you can refine it.
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The less you give feedback, you don't have a lot of reps.
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It's like everything.
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If you get more reps of giving feedback, then you can refine it.
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You know, a really good example is, so we use Bridge Athletic to deliver the programming.
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The forms you fill out pre and post training.
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They crack me up because you can see people who are just going in the middle, like, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop.
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And you're like, that's not.
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It's never because you look at it over like one or two, three months.
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You can see people are taking it seriously.
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And there's people like, just get me.
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I want to go in and work out.
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And you're like, no, you have to go in and train.
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And that feedback is important because it helps us see like, OK, are they recovering?
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How are they feeling?
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What do they rate it?
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Like when I see five, six and sevens consistently, I'm like, there's no way the volume of that training session equated a five.
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So it's just it's funny, but.
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When you start taking that seriously, because the little stuff does matter, so those forms, everything is done for a reason.
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So if you can give feedback digitally, verbally, and then just kind of, you end up taking more ownership of your own training.
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So like we're here to help guide them in the gym and help whenever we can.
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But at the end of the day, if you're an athlete, like it's the ownership's on you, especially when you become a professional.
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Like you have to take ownership again of,
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your training, you should know about it because it's your business.
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You should know as much as you can about your body, about how it responds.
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For instance, for Dante, go to ADCC, we had a very quick conversation of like his jujitsu was going up.
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He wanted to dial back some aspects of training.
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He told me what aspects he felt taking out would help give him enough energy to increase the JITS training.
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I'm like, perfect.
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Because I have complete trust, because he's not going to sell himself short and he's been doing this a long time and has a high IQ, both mentally and physically.
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So it was very easy to cut volume, take out exercises.
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And then every week you'll be like, hey, I like this, but can we add this back in?
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Can we take that back out?
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And that's perfect.
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That's the way you can really dial in training because we've had a lot of coaches come through and the whole aspect of individualization of training, it's pretty broad spectrum.
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When you're a coach, you might have loads of them, but you usually have three or four templates you start with because people will fit into categories.
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And then as the feedback comes, it becomes more individualized.
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And it's not to the extent that I think people believe, because if you want to do true individualized training, there's a lot of work on both parties, because if you're doing it remotely, you have to get videos in, you have to do constant check-ins, you have to do that.
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But to where if you can do stuff using the apps, monitoring volume and get that weekly feedback in...
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You can adapt whatever system you have and just make quick adjustments to that person.
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And then it'll be actually individualized, not to the level of like if an athlete hires you to be a one-on-one coach, well, then that athlete's getting your 100%.
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focus because you're doing stuff above and beyond.
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It's not even just a training, you're scouting if they're going to a different country or a different city, like what gyms are there?
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Can we get access to that?
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Can we use a high school gym?
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Are we traveling with bands?
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You got plan A, plan B, plan C training in case you get stuck at a workout or in an airport for a workout.
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There's levels to individualization.
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And I say that to come back to with Dante, knowing that he takes ownership of everything he does, it's super fast and easy to make a change.
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Because if it's not working, or it needs to be, we can change it that day.
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And then the program just delivers what he needs.
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When Dante brought that up to you, that can be a very hard conversation for an athlete to a coach.
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How did you handle that?
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Oh, easy.
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I guess it's where I'm here to help them.
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I don't know everything.
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I've been mentored under Lou.
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My first three months I thought I knew the system inside and out.
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And then after three months I'm like, oh, there's a lot more to this.
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And then after seven years, I felt like I had a good understanding to teach myself more.
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So I could actually read books and cross-reference way better.
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But when an athlete has that trust in you to come to you, you can't be so stuck in your ways that you're not willing to change.
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Now, if that change is not going to be for the better,
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you say your piece and you give objective reasons why, and then you come at a compromise and then you try it out.
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But because the system has that weekly and daily feedback loop, you can see very fast if it's working or not working.
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But in terms of an athlete bringing up a conversation of wanting to change stuff, that's phenomenal.
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Like I am pumped that an athlete is comfortable enough to do so.
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And we can do this like in a private setting.
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It's a lot more complicated in a collegiate setting or professional setting.
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I just say an NFL team simply because you have scale.
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There's so much going on.
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And strength coaches, they go above and beyond trying to help each athlete what they can do.
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But there's like red tape of what they can and can't do too.
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So we're pretty privileged to be able to work in the private sector and have ample room to maneuver.
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Like we can pivot to take a quote from Jason Guss is like, we're driving a speedboat.
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We can pivot real fast.
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The bigger the organization becomes more like a battleship and it takes a longer time to turn left or turn right.
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And do you take that same kind of approach or philosophy when it's a sport coach giving you feedback on the athlete?
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Yeah, like to where if they're for MMA or Jiu-Jitsu, if they're the head coach, they're the head coach.
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Like to where they know the sport, the skill, they know what they're seeing.
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Sometimes the nomenclature doesn't match up.
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Like they're like, hey, this athlete needs to be more stronger in this position.
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And it might be actually endurance that they need.
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But I'm not going to critique what they're saying.
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I understand completely what they're saying.
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It's just sometimes the verbiage doesn't match over one for one.
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And over time, then you start to get to know each other.
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But they're the expert in the skill.
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My job is to help the athlete get the most out of their body.
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And that, in turn, gives them the best opportunity to display skill and to acquire more skill.
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I love that you just hit on that because that's something I've seen from private sector coaches dealing with team sports and sport coaches where the sport coach might not say the right thing, the right terms.
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But how what advice do you have for that strength coach to help talk and educate the sport coach?
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Well, more so there's a hierarchy, right?
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You have to know your role.
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You're not there to critique, especially over vocabulary.
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Like your job is to translate.
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It's like, okay, this is what they're pointing out.
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And then it's just the more information you get, you can isolate what they're talking about.
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And a lot of head coaches are incredibly smart in terms of what they're seeing with their athletes.
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But it's your job is to understand that and translate.
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And if you're in a professional setting, like working for a team, you're working for, if you're not the head strength coach, you're an assistant head strength coach and you have to understand there's a pecking order that they're in that position for a reason.
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And you have to understand that
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When we all start off, we think we know a lot.
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We think we know everything and we think we have the most unique way to train.
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This is it.
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This is going to be the game changer people.
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But we're standing on the shoulder of giants of people who put all this work into it, especially like all the literature we have to read from and pull information from.
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But what you don't have is the actual practical experience.
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And that practical experience can, it might take you days to research, but that coach has it in seconds because they've lived through it.
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And you have to try to respect and understand where they're coming from, especially if they're so busy.
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They might give you a pretty short and direct task to do.
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And that's not the point to question it.
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It's when you sit down and you have your...
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reviews and recaps of the week, like you can have your conversation with your head strength coach.
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And then ultimately then you're talking, you're working for the head coach who's over if you're in a team setting.
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So there's this hierarchy, you have to fit within it
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you have to like say your piece make sure it's objective it's not subjective it's not completely egotistically driven like we all have egos in this game don't get me wrong but it can't override objective data because at the end of the day you're there for the athlete to develop them and if you do your job then all the other coaches can do their job
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That was perfectly said.
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Because I've seen it a lot of times where a coach will take that scenario and that's his time to shine and kind of hammer that support coach back.
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No, what he really needs is this.
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That's a very difficult conversation.
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It can go really good or go really bad.
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Yeah, it's just, it takes time.
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Like all of, like you can't, we have people who can like pass exams and like really good at theoretical and they're trying to fast forward the practical aspect, but you can't fast forward time.
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It just, because the way we coach this year
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is slightly different than last year, just because evolution happens and then you start to understand different personalities better, different sports better, and then you refine the process.
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You just can't fast forward it.
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The only way you can get ahead is by talking to coaches who've been in the game for a while.
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Like, look up to the people who've been in this for 20, 30, 40 years.
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Pick their brains.
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And then that gives you an insight into how to get better faster.
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But still, there's nothing based to the practical experience aspect of this.
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So to come back to your question, if it's a sports coach or an athlete or even someone out there who's training themselves, I think that's another common mistake is, and I look at it compared to
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I'm no expert in cars, but you can bring your car to a dealership to get done or you can work on a car yourself.
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Strength training is the same.
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You can teach yourself how to strength train.
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You can teach yourself the absolute basics.
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You don't need a degree.
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You don't need any of this if you want to get better at your own strength conditioning.
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You just need to read, keep an open mind and then ask questions.
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And over time, you get better.
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The first day you're in the gym, it's probably going to be the worst day in terms of what you know.
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But then it just gets better over time, especially when you start reading and getting into articles, but actually going out and doing it.
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This is not locked down just for an elite few.
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It's open.
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All our knowledge is out there.
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So you can train.
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Some great strength coaches out there never went to school.
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They just back into it through mastery.
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So anyone out there who wants to learn how to strength train, you can from day one.
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You've mentioned questions and feedback quite a bit throughout this podcast.
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What are some questions that really separates individuals that you can tell really want to learn and understand how to apply the system versus something that they're just asking to ask?
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Usually the fact that they're asking questions.
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like off the bat, like puts you in a different category because you have the interest to ask the questions.
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And then there's depth to it.
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Some just want to ask the questions of like, okay, for instance, why are we doing 100 to 300 hamstring curls or pants?
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You're like, why am I going through this?
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And then you just explain ligaments and tendons and trying to do high reps to help strengthen that tissue, get blood into there.
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And they're like, okay, so they understand the purpose of what they're doing.
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And then it might go a little bit deeper, like, well, hey, how does that carry over to my sport?
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Well, if you're a field athlete, like you've got extreme forces coming in when you're running, cutting side to side, sprint, accelerating, decelerating, and you want to ensure that your body can handle that force.
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And they're like, okay, it makes sense.
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And then it can go a layer deeper of like, hey, I was training in this minute of a game or this minute of a match, like I felt my arms getting heavy.
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Like, okay, let's go back, let's review training.
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I'm like, oh, we haven't touched biceps in a minute.
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So was it your biceps are getting tired?
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Like, yes, well, what are you doing?
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Okay, now we can add them back in.
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So I just go back, if they're asking questions, that's great.
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And if you don't want to ask questions, at the end of the world, don't get me wrong.
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But you get way better from a coach the more information you can give them.
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Does the same thing apply for people that are being trained online?
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Are those questions different versus in-person type questions?
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You'll never top in person, but it's not practical because there's only so many hours in a day and then geographic locations.
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Online, I think you have to give more.
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It's a pain in the ass because you don't have to record your whole training session.
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I know some coaches, they'll do live FaceTimes.
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which is great because then you can actually see what's going on.
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But you want to get videos, you want to assess, you want to look at how long the training taking but I think you need to have those weekly calls, maybe the messages during the week and then monthly recaps.
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I think communication is huge, especially online because then you get a better picture and if you don't have any videos it's...
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We've all seen it to where they're doing some movement and it's completely incorrect.
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And you're like, oh, okay.
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Like you're doing half squats, but you're counting them as full box squats.
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You're able to get through that in two minutes.
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You're like, okay, it just makes more sense.
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But I just, like communication is always key.
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And it's actually great for consistency because then you're buying in because it's a,
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It's a two-way relationship to where it's not just someone telling you, you got to do this.
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And I said, like, there's athletes on there who just want to be told what to do.
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It allows them to escape from everything.
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They just want to go in and train.
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Completely fine with that.
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And there's ways to get feedback that's not verbal to where once they're in the gym, you can visually see what's happening.
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You can see them slowing down.
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You can see different areas that need to be worked on.
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But yeah, I just don't think there's anything wrong with
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I don't think there's such a thing as too much.
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I think it refines over time that it starts a little out and then it comes down to very simple conversations.
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So let's kind of pivot from the athlete and talk more on the coach.
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How in-depth should the coach get when an athlete's asking him these questions or giving him feedback?
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I usually ask them, do you like to read?
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And how, at what level do you want the answer?
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I try to make everything as simple as possible.
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I'm not an overly smart person, so I try to say something back that I can digest.
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And if they want a more medical grade answer, we can do that.
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But it's just simple.
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You try to keep it as colloquial as you can.
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That way everyone can understand that it's on the same page.
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That's the simple is always the best way.
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And do you think that it might be a red flag if a coach refuses to answer questions?
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Mac, you always do this to me.
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It depends.
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It's the most used answer we give in this industry.
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It depends.
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But context, I mean, in general, if a coach can't give you feedback or justification,
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of what they're doing, I would think twice.
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I'm like, if you're a strength coach, as I said, we all have egos that might range, but most of it is based on experience, objective data, and we got justification for what we're doing.
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And if you can't get that out of the coach, then I would be somewhat wary that they might just be giving you a program to generally get through it.
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But if they have justification and like online is like there's people out there who crush it that train hundreds of thousands of people online.
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So it'd be impossible to get the conversations in.
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But if you can at least get their justification of why, like how is this going to benefit me, like that's a start.
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But when it comes to more like small group coaching or individual coaching, like for sure you'd want to have your coach have firm belief in what they're doing is to better you, because you can get back your time.
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Like if you spend a year or two years with a coach and you're getting nowhere, like you can't reclaim that.
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So it's pretty important, but it's not the be all and end all I'm saying.
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Like there's some coaches who mightn't have the time, but they have other ways of getting feedback.
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But I think every coach should have their core values, their justification for what they're doing.
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Like when we talk to coaches, they might train completely different than us, have a different philosophy on periodization or how they work with athletes, which is completely fine.
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That's what makes this industry so good.
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we all try to stay on the right side of the fence, right?
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The training correctly side.
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And then other side of the fence is training incorrectly where athletes don't get any better, they get injured, they don't acquire any new skill, and overall, they're not becoming better.
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Training correctly, athletes getting better, they're getting faster, they're more robust, they're playing their sport more, they're explaining themselves more.
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So we can debate and talk about as much as you want on that side of the fence.
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But usually I'm like, hey, what's your justification?
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And it's not questioning like, hey, why?
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Why did you select these exercises?
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And then they give you a justification.
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Okay, that makes sense to me.
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I wouldn't do it that way, but it makes complete sense like how that would work and why you're doing it that way, if that makes sense to you.
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Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
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And then when a coach gives feedback to an athlete,
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Do you want to dive into this for a little bit?
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But the appropriate responses, because that to me kind of shows a lot about what that athlete is hearing, what they understand.
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I just said.
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And what their next probable course of action is.
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Right.
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Like if I tell an athlete, hey, you're not sitting back far enough on the box or, hey, you're doing this movement incorrectly.
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Do it like this.
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And they say, I'm doing that.
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Like that kind of seems a little disrespectful.
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If I'm taking the time to kind of watch and analyze and point something out, what should an athlete do after that's being told to them?
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Oh, that's a question on personality and attitude.
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So I'm not an expert in that.
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I do know there's times where you tell an athlete to sit back, just say on a box squat is a good example.
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In their mind, they're sitting back, but physically they're not.
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They just don't have that connection.
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But they're actually trying it over a period of time.
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But I think every coach responds to attitudes differently.
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You want to have people who are on the same page as you.
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You want to have a good, tight group of good people.
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How you handle that is everyone is, every coach has their own response to it.
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At the end of the day, if you're an athlete, you've turned up to train with somebody, you've made that decision to go there.
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And like you might hear our athletes in house, they don't charge, like we don't charge them.
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So we got a good synergistic relationship to where we want you to do good and
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You want us to do good because it's good for you.
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It's a good synergistic relationship.
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But if you're going to make that time commitment and pay money to just say an external coach, you kind of want to get the most out of it.
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You don't want to start putting up boundaries straight away.
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But the only thing I would say is like, just be wary of sometimes athletes are really trying.
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They just don't have that physical connection.
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And that's your job.
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You can't fix everything in one day.
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Over a period of 12 months, you can make a lot of changes.
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And like the squatting a box squat is a great example.
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Some people get in day one.
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00:31:14.858 --> 00:31:18.120
Others might take them two or three months, depending on that connection.
425
00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:19.461
But you'll see glimmers of hope.
426
00:31:20.182 --> 00:31:24.544
They'll do 10 sets of two, and then maybe three or four sets were perfect.
427
00:31:24.965 --> 00:31:26.786
And we're like, okay, we're getting in the right direction.
428
00:31:27.586 --> 00:31:29.367
But the attitude question, I have...
429
00:31:30.488 --> 00:31:33.190
No direct answer of how to respond.
430
00:31:33.631 --> 00:31:34.211
Everyone's different.
431
00:31:34.832 --> 00:31:39.395
I always try to think about it as like maybe a lack of communication or lack of understanding.
432
00:31:39.675 --> 00:31:45.040
Because going back to that time where you said fix your feet instead of like knees out and that kind of solved everything.
433
00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:47.542
Like that was pretty cool to see in person.
434
00:31:48.722 --> 00:31:51.124
Everyone is different and personalities are different.
435
00:31:51.144 --> 00:31:52.605
Like I'm relatively introverted.
436
00:31:53.285 --> 00:31:55.287
As a strength coach goes, I'm pretty quiet.
437
00:31:55.747 --> 00:32:02.852
And then you might be an extroverted strength coach and you like to talk and motivate, which is phenomenal.
438
00:32:03.472 --> 00:32:11.798
But then you just try to understand the personality of the athlete and then try match their personality with the feedback that they're gonna respond to.
439
00:32:13.983 --> 00:32:22.336
And what do you do when you come across some feedback where you know the athlete is just saying it because he wants an easier training session?
440
00:32:22.736 --> 00:32:23.638
Have you ever had that happen?
441
00:32:26.777 --> 00:32:33.522
A few times, not mainstay, but they're just selling themselves short though.
442
00:32:33.842 --> 00:32:35.543
That's the thing.
443
00:32:36.224 --> 00:32:47.272
The good thing with the relationship we have our athletes here is that the more they give or the more that they give back to training, the more they get from it.
444
00:32:48.161 --> 00:32:56.387
So if you're sandbagging, people will sandbag and you can see it, but you're just taken away, like they're taken away from their own development.
445
00:32:57.548 --> 00:33:06.314
And the same with turning up, like if you have to keep chasing after people to turn up the training, well then after a point you're like, okay, I'm not going to keep chasing up.
446
00:33:08.236 --> 00:33:13.480
But all in all is like, well, we got a damn good group of people here.
447
00:33:14.260 --> 00:33:23.985
But you just try to chip away with it and sometimes you have people who don't like strength training, they're doing it and then over a year they completely change and they start falling in love with it because they're seeing the carryover.
448
00:33:25.026 --> 00:33:28.588
That's the great journey of strength conditioning.
449
00:33:29.698 --> 00:33:30.018
Nice.
450
00:33:30.198 --> 00:33:31.859
You want to dive into that one for a little bit?
451
00:33:32.259 --> 00:33:44.345
Like when you see someone where they mentally click and everything kind of gets locked in and you see them trying harder, you see them applying themselves better, asking the right questions, doing the right stuff.
452
00:33:45.725 --> 00:33:49.667
What is that like for someone that initially came and did not want to train?
453
00:33:53.143 --> 00:34:01.055
If I take two groups of two and separate them, if you take Lawson and Dante, right, they love the train.
454
00:34:02.317 --> 00:34:05.778
Like they'll train and like Dante's IQ and training is off the charts.
455
00:34:06.598 --> 00:34:08.619
Lawson will train, just love to train.
456
00:34:09.139 --> 00:34:13.701
And then you take Max Hansen and Josh.
457
00:34:14.441 --> 00:34:15.521
I don't think Max started here.
458
00:34:15.561 --> 00:34:17.222
He was like, what is this going through it?
459
00:34:17.522 --> 00:34:22.903
And then after a year you see him, his body changes, his attitude towards strength and conditioning changes.
460
00:34:23.524 --> 00:34:27.045
And then he goes from being someone who's in a group to being a leader of a group.
461
00:34:28.586 --> 00:34:36.233
You take Josh Lorton, someone who came in here with huge interest and completely changed.
462
00:34:36.253 --> 00:34:37.934
He's gone through the coaching pathway.
463
00:34:38.655 --> 00:34:40.436
He wants to learn more about strength conditioning.
464
00:34:40.757 --> 00:34:44.620
And then you see the improvements in him physically.
465
00:34:45.261 --> 00:34:48.543
But then from a coaching perspective, you can see that he's asking the right questions.
466
00:34:48.564 --> 00:34:49.244
He's trying to learn.
467
00:34:49.985 --> 00:34:52.887
And over a period of a year, just a huge transformation.
468
00:34:54.128 --> 00:35:02.655
Those are the things that you, once they keep coming in and they're with the right group, because then you see Dante will set the bar pretty high for everyone.
469
00:35:03.576 --> 00:35:09.080
Once you have that person in the gym, they have something to aspire to, they're around someone who's actually doing it in the sport.
470
00:35:10.101 --> 00:35:15.285
So it's not as if you're trying to trust a person who hasn't done anything, you're like, okay, he's leading from the front.
471
00:35:16.626 --> 00:35:20.850
That's the importance of having a good training group or good peers in the system.
472
00:35:22.671 --> 00:35:34.736
Max and Josh, like Max was someone who started off just going through training and then you put him in a good group, then became trying to be a leader within the group he's in, which was pretty cool to see.
473
00:35:34.756 --> 00:35:36.557
And then his physical transformation was huge.
474
00:35:37.197 --> 00:35:48.783
Josh was someone who's always interested, he's the first person nearly in, always says hello, always fist bumps you, always smile on his face, regardless how hard the training session is, ask questions, and then you'll see him physically change.
475
00:35:49.503 --> 00:35:51.364
and then getting more into it, which is pretty cool.
476
00:35:51.384 --> 00:36:12.570
Trevor Burrus, Jr.: Is there any way, because those two are great examples, Josh and Max, is there any way to kind of almost come up with like a template of, hey, you have an athlete who doesn't enjoy training, doesn't want to train, doesn't see the benefit of it or any of those scenarios, someone like that, and you want to turn them into someone like Josh?
477
00:36:14.590 --> 00:36:22.553
I just think it comes to, like for us as the group, once you have a good group, you can see what the guys at the top are doing.
478
00:36:22.573 --> 00:36:25.054
You're like, well, I don't have a blueprint.
479
00:36:25.474 --> 00:36:26.615
They are a blueprint in me.
480
00:36:26.635 --> 00:36:31.557
It's a real person I can talk to, and if I stay around here long enough, I might just get...
481
00:36:32.597 --> 00:36:34.058
better because that's what they're doing.
482
00:36:34.338 --> 00:36:40.643
And then our job is in between that is to try to educate them, point them in the right direction and keep them coming up.
483
00:36:41.243 --> 00:36:51.451
So if you keep them consistent, you can give them micro doses of like strength conditioning, education and just call out the wins as they're doing them.
484
00:36:51.611 --> 00:36:53.412
But in terms of a template, everyone is different.
485
00:36:53.432 --> 00:36:58.456
Like I don't have a template other than that the seniority in the groups is huge.
486
00:36:58.696 --> 00:36:59.797
Having people who are at the top
487
00:37:00.557 --> 00:37:01.217
going through that.
488
00:37:01.237 --> 00:37:04.198
It helps with training sessions because they can coach each other.
489
00:37:04.218 --> 00:37:08.780
And then we just try to give her information through.
490
00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:11.981
But to answer your question, I don't have a attempt because I don't think it's universal.
491
00:37:12.001 --> 00:37:13.662
I think everyone clicks in different ways.
492
00:37:14.122 --> 00:37:16.443
But I think the biggest one is results.
493
00:37:18.369 --> 00:37:26.153
If you start strength training and then you can train harder in your sport and you can go win competitions or you're physically feeling better when you go to competitions.
494
00:37:26.773 --> 00:37:30.434
Because don't get me wrong, winning is extremely important.
495
00:37:31.235 --> 00:37:37.697
But if you're going to competitions and you're handling your weight class better, you're recovering better, then you just have this...
496
00:37:39.018 --> 00:37:48.107
kind of this positive loop coming back like, okay, I can contribute this to the strength training I'm doing because you're putting in that sweat equity to pay dividends in your sport.
497
00:37:50.389 --> 00:37:51.670
You talk about the positive loop.
498
00:37:52.110 --> 00:38:02.380
What about on the opposite side, like a negative loop coming where someone's potentially getting worse or potentially overtraining or doing too much because they want to kind of catch up to what everyone else is doing?
499
00:38:04.517 --> 00:38:07.979
You just set realistic expectations and goals.
500
00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:10.821
So you try to set them up as positive as you can.
501
00:38:11.182 --> 00:38:12.643
For instance, not failing in max efforts.
502
00:38:13.683 --> 00:38:16.025
So you cut them before they fail.
503
00:38:16.045 --> 00:38:18.207
And you're like, okay, now you just have a positive experience.
504
00:38:18.987 --> 00:38:19.868
Then accessories.
505
00:38:20.028 --> 00:38:22.249
Look at the total volume from week one to week three.
506
00:38:22.269 --> 00:38:28.094
Hey, you've just done 10,000, 20,000 more pounds this week than you did the first week you did.
507
00:38:28.774 --> 00:38:31.636
And you just start to try to build up a positive experience.
508
00:38:32.478 --> 00:38:36.848
loop within here and your job as a coach is not to have athletes fail, it's to succeed and carry over.
509
00:38:37.209 --> 00:38:41.699
So you just try to work with them on that and then over time the relationship builds.
510
00:38:43.466 --> 00:38:50.149
There's very few that on day one you'll click and you have complete trust because everyone's trying to feel each other out.
511
00:38:50.269 --> 00:38:58.653
But I think over the first three weeks, the first 21 days, that's what I tell athletes, is give us 21 days and you will start seeing differences.
512
00:38:59.914 --> 00:39:01.875
And then, okay, I can do anything for 21 days.
513
00:39:02.555 --> 00:39:08.118
And then that kind of helps with the justification loop of the amount of effort you put into strength training.
514
00:39:09.705 --> 00:39:13.926
So with that, there's athletes got different personalities and so do coaches.
515
00:39:15.247 --> 00:39:18.087
How do you build that coach athlete relationship?
516
00:39:20.108 --> 00:39:21.108
You got any tips for that?
517
00:39:22.189 --> 00:39:24.249
No, I'm probably not the one to give you the last.
518
00:39:24.969 --> 00:39:26.010
I'm a relationally introvert.
519
00:39:28.230 --> 00:39:33.932
I think by caring, like just by genuinely caring that the athlete does good.
520
00:39:35.524 --> 00:39:42.649
And they'll know that to where, because they'll see the effort you put into the, to me, the programming is the big thing.
521
00:39:42.749 --> 00:39:45.971
Like, hey, you can see stuff's been changed.
522
00:39:46.392 --> 00:39:48.293
You can see, like, responses coming back.
523
00:39:48.813 --> 00:39:51.535
But just that you care, you check in with them.
524
00:39:51.735 --> 00:39:52.776
Like, how's everything going?
525
00:39:52.896 --> 00:39:53.897
Like, how's training going?
526
00:39:53.917 --> 00:39:54.597
How's sport going?
527
00:39:56.038 --> 00:40:00.181
If it starts with that, like, I think you're on the right path.
528
00:40:00.221 --> 00:40:00.401
Yeah.
529
00:40:01.422 --> 00:40:04.104
Up to that, you get into the sports psychology world.
530
00:40:04.144 --> 00:40:07.126
And as the rock says, know your role, I'll stay.
531
00:40:07.967 --> 00:40:09.148
I'll stay within the S&C.
532
00:40:09.988 --> 00:40:14.451
Yeah, it's great to see that coach-athlete relationship with the athletes we have here.
533
00:40:15.423 --> 00:40:21.465
And that's one thing where I think a lot can be done with for other coaches.
534
00:40:21.485 --> 00:40:26.948
Because there's some that almost have like a checkbox list of, hey, I've got to put this on social media.
535
00:40:26.968 --> 00:40:28.028
I've got to tag them for this.
536
00:40:28.548 --> 00:40:32.790
Everything is online, but not necessarily connecting in person.
537
00:40:35.071 --> 00:40:36.672
Look at collegial strength conditioning coaches.
538
00:40:37.516 --> 00:40:43.100
like especially in the football space, they know the athletes inside and out, like down to their favorite Gatorade.
539
00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:47.003
Like they do a heck of a job developing those relationships.
540
00:40:47.403 --> 00:40:52.787
And I said that the vast majority of true strength conditioning professionals
541
00:40:54.368 --> 00:40:56.069
They do this because they care.
542
00:40:56.970 --> 00:41:02.654
They care deeply and they get to know the athletes and they build relationships.
543
00:41:03.114 --> 00:41:13.282
So I think the other side of your talk, that's more on the influencer spectrum or the facade, but true strength and conditioning coaches know their athletes inside and out because they talk to them all the time.
544
00:41:13.302 --> 00:41:15.343
They see them a lot more than other coaches.
545
00:41:15.363 --> 00:41:16.184
Yeah.
546
00:41:16.765 --> 00:41:22.910
So I think naturally, like a good strength coach cares a heck of a lot about the athlete.
547
00:41:23.271 --> 00:41:29.417
And when you're in that sector, like you're missing so much of your own personal life because you're around the team.
548
00:41:29.457 --> 00:41:30.618
You're getting everything.
549
00:41:30.878 --> 00:41:33.421
You're up early, bed late, especially when the season's on.
550
00:41:33.501 --> 00:41:35.102
You're traveling.
551
00:41:35.362 --> 00:41:40.047
So like you have to love what you do and care a whole amount for the development of the athletes.
552
00:41:42.110 --> 00:41:45.952
Kind of, I want to take another random pivot.
553
00:41:45.992 --> 00:41:47.252
We mentioned the collegiate sector.
554
00:41:48.133 --> 00:41:57.317
When people talk about that individual, I want to individualize programs specifically for me, you look at like collegiate and pro levels, they're not training each person individually.
555
00:41:57.357 --> 00:41:58.518
They're training them as a team.
556
00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:02.980
But they still give them individual feedback.
557
00:42:03.700 --> 00:42:05.701
Yes.
558
00:42:05.961 --> 00:42:09.463
Because there's certain times and there's certain stuff you can and can't do
559
00:42:10.632 --> 00:42:21.861
But we've met, and we've met enough strength coaches that they'll either pull an athlete to do something with them, but they'll give them individual feedback because they have a system that works.
560
00:42:22.682 --> 00:42:27.806
Because we went over to watch Ohio State practice,
561
00:42:28.747 --> 00:42:35.649
There's so much going on, like from moving from different parts of the field for different events.
562
00:42:36.510 --> 00:42:37.350
It's on a clock.
563
00:42:37.490 --> 00:42:39.571
They have so much to get through and then they get to the weight room.
564
00:42:40.171 --> 00:42:44.552
So you're like, okay, the fact you're in the weight room is completely amazing to me, like how busy their schedules are.
565
00:42:45.212 --> 00:42:51.174
So then you have your program and then they're watching the train, but they're giving them individual feedback.
566
00:42:52.155 --> 00:42:52.615
And you know what?
567
00:42:54.082 --> 00:42:59.104
Great strength and conditioning programs, they feel that competitive mindset.
568
00:42:59.304 --> 00:43:06.267
They want competitors and they're able to do that in the gym with their plan and still get the individual feedback.
569
00:43:06.467 --> 00:43:09.948
And then they'll pull people for one-on-ones or they'll do side work with them.
570
00:43:10.488 --> 00:43:12.169
But there's zero things wrong.
571
00:43:12.189 --> 00:43:13.369
Look how successful they are.
572
00:43:13.549 --> 00:43:14.750
You can't say it's not successful.
573
00:43:15.510 --> 00:43:19.652
It's just like when I did a seminar on the conjugate system.
574
00:43:20.772 --> 00:43:28.899
is that you don't want someone doing a verbatim because you can't unless you're in the same set and setting and personality as that person.
575
00:43:29.500 --> 00:43:31.702
What you can do is take bits of it and put it into your own.
576
00:43:32.142 --> 00:43:33.223
That's the beauty of it.
577
00:43:34.204 --> 00:43:40.009
And I said success is the most thing where we're looking out for, success in the sport and success for the athlete.
578
00:43:40.789 --> 00:43:45.814
And success is physically to where they're more robust, they're not injury-prone.
579
00:43:46.394 --> 00:43:48.115
They can display the skills that they have.
580
00:43:48.816 --> 00:43:50.677
That's what you're looking for.
581
00:43:50.697 --> 00:43:52.018
But, yeah.
582
00:43:53.759 --> 00:43:56.601
Now, you just mentioned the success of the athlete.
583
00:43:57.762 --> 00:44:02.145
Do you think success of the athlete needs to align with success of a team?
584
00:44:05.919 --> 00:44:20.414
Well, from my little viewpoint, getting the athlete to the event, to the game, is what we're trying to do in as best physical shape as possible, seeing what we're trying to display, whatever skills they have.
585
00:44:20.954 --> 00:44:23.417
The team dynamics is a whole other thing, but I do know...
586
00:44:24.177 --> 00:44:30.700
The weight room is a great way to shape a team dynamic, to build up that culture, to reinforce the culture set down by the head coach.
587
00:44:32.701 --> 00:44:36.903
But it's to where that's getting to the sports specific nature of stuff.
588
00:44:36.943 --> 00:44:43.766
And I don't, you don't want me calling anything on sports specific if it's football or jujitsu or lacrosse.
589
00:44:44.527 --> 00:44:45.867
That would not be that good.
590
00:44:45.887 --> 00:44:51.410
But I do think that the weight room is so important for reinforcing and developing cultural values.
591
00:44:53.154 --> 00:44:56.457
Because the great thing with resistance training is subjective adversity.
592
00:44:57.137 --> 00:44:57.798
You can measure it.
593
00:44:57.938 --> 00:45:01.501
You can measure how better you're getting rather than subjective aspects.
594
00:45:02.021 --> 00:45:09.127
And you're in a close-knit situation with other people because you're sharing adversity because you're both lifting at the same time.
595
00:45:09.728 --> 00:45:12.170
And then whatever, because every team has their cultural values.
596
00:45:12.190 --> 00:45:16.173
You go into a collegiate or a pro weight room, they have them bump on the wall.
597
00:45:16.934 --> 00:45:20.637
And it's one of the best places to reinforce those and develop them.
598
00:45:21.850 --> 00:45:31.813
Do you think there's anything that can be said about having too much of a culture or not enough culture in the weight room and how that can affect the team?
599
00:45:33.594 --> 00:45:33.874
Yeah.
600
00:45:34.154 --> 00:45:48.059
Like, I think sometimes you get people who get too hung up on cultural values and don't do enough work because they have, hopefully, the culture will carry them forward and they might take the foot off the gas when it comes to actual development of it.
601
00:45:48.739 --> 00:45:50.140
And then you have places that have...
602
00:45:51.240 --> 00:45:53.482
poor culture, but you'll see people leave.
603
00:45:54.163 --> 00:45:57.685
So I think it's a blend of everything.
604
00:45:58.626 --> 00:46:03.029
But you have outliers, but the vast majority have their culture locked in.
605
00:46:03.790 --> 00:46:09.094
Successful programs don't become successful by fluke.
606
00:46:09.895 --> 00:46:10.936
It's a system.
607
00:46:11.036 --> 00:46:11.736
That's what it is.
608
00:46:11.756 --> 00:46:13.918
You're getting part into a system and everything's accounted for.
609
00:46:15.562 --> 00:46:15.882
Okay.
610
00:46:16.503 --> 00:46:22.106
And so if, like, let's say we have, I have an athlete that is wanting to go to X university.
611
00:46:23.087 --> 00:46:30.511
Are there some things he should look for with that team, with that coach from a cultural standpoint to say like, hey, this is somewhere I fit in.
612
00:46:30.551 --> 00:46:32.152
This is what's going to make me better.
613
00:46:32.513 --> 00:46:37.136
Or this is a place that is all gas, no brakes, and is going to run me down.
614
00:46:37.316 --> 00:46:39.217
Do you have any advice for checking that out?
615
00:46:40.525 --> 00:46:48.828
I don't have advice, but what I'll do is I'll give props to some of the most important strength coaches out there who are the high school strength coaches.
616
00:46:50.888 --> 00:46:53.629
A lot of those high school strength coaches know the university they're going to.
617
00:46:54.349 --> 00:46:58.551
They might reach out to the staff saying, hey, my athlete's coming to your program.
618
00:46:59.451 --> 00:47:02.492
Anything that we should know and prepare for and then pass that on to the athlete.
619
00:47:03.072 --> 00:47:10.016
Like we have a lot of high school strength coaches come through here and the vast majority do that to where they prep the athlete.
620
00:47:10.516 --> 00:47:12.657
They're like, hey, here's the system, here's the culture you're getting into.
621
00:47:12.697 --> 00:47:14.839
So you better understand what that means.
622
00:47:15.279 --> 00:47:22.083
Because when you get an athlete who comes in and gels into your culture immediately, you're like, where did you train up before this?
623
00:47:22.945 --> 00:47:27.028
because you want to give props to that coach because they prepared them well.
624
00:47:27.208 --> 00:47:41.800
But it's just doing your due diligence of what does it mean to represent that college, whatever sport, if you represent them in a game, you're like anyone who has been there before you didn't get there by chance.
625
00:47:42.300 --> 00:47:49.726
Like they put in hard work, they have skill out the wazoo, but they live up to the cultural values of that university.
626
00:47:50.687 --> 00:47:55.348
But I think a lot of high school strength coaches, the great ones, prepare them.
627
00:47:56.008 --> 00:47:57.569
They're like, hey, here's what you're getting yourself in for.
628
00:47:58.509 --> 00:48:01.590
So excuse me, that way they're not like a duck out of water.
629
00:48:01.770 --> 00:48:04.071
They're like, okay, they're ready and prepped.
630
00:48:04.971 --> 00:48:09.272
And long-term development, really, the best way to do it is in high school.
631
00:48:10.072 --> 00:48:12.793
In college with NIL and everything, you don't know where you're going to end up.
632
00:48:13.673 --> 00:48:21.935
In the private sector, you can get long term development because if you stay, like we have coaches who have had the same athletes for 10 to 15 years, which is phenomenal.
633
00:48:22.753 --> 00:48:25.515
But you can do that long-term development, but you want to be prep going in.
634
00:48:25.575 --> 00:48:37.564
So I would say look at where you're going, and if you have a high school strength coach or a strength coach, they should be able to translate where you're going to you in the weight room and give you kind of a heads up.
635
00:48:38.785 --> 00:48:39.065
Okay.
636
00:48:39.726 --> 00:48:49.073
So, like, if there's a high school strength coach or a private sector coach, and they have an athlete wanting to go to that ex-university, they're reaching out to that strength coach –
637
00:48:50.499 --> 00:48:52.561
What kind of questions should they ask that coach?
638
00:48:54.583 --> 00:48:54.704
Oh.
639
00:48:56.205 --> 00:49:00.089
And you can pull from some of your experience talking to head sport coaches.
640
00:49:01.291 --> 00:49:03.193
Anything you want to mention on that?
641
00:49:04.610 --> 00:49:11.454
What's pretty cool is like I've been lucky enough to go to open training sessions where you see coaches.
642
00:49:12.214 --> 00:49:14.876
But I saw a lot of like high school strength coaches there with their athletes.
643
00:49:15.156 --> 00:49:20.299
So they were there looking at the facility, talking to the strength coaches, just seeing what they do, which is pretty.
644
00:49:20.319 --> 00:49:22.780
It makes sense, like to where they wanted to see it.
645
00:49:24.101 --> 00:49:26.302
But you just say, what's the expectation of the program?
646
00:49:26.502 --> 00:49:28.663
What's the expectations of this athlete in your weight room?
647
00:49:29.464 --> 00:49:31.105
Like what are the cultural values that...
648
00:49:32.831 --> 00:49:34.613
Everyone wants an asset and a liability in the gym.
649
00:49:35.334 --> 00:49:48.028
But I guarantee you it's not a disadvantage to turn up to a weight room, knowing how to spot, how to load, have correct form, actually know what intent it is behind the weights.
650
00:49:48.709 --> 00:49:50.691
You're not just there to just go through the motions.
651
00:49:50.711 --> 00:49:51.332
Yeah.
652
00:49:51.712 --> 00:49:57.016
Like that's a superpower, but really it's just understanding what that coach expects.
653
00:49:57.176 --> 00:50:02.179
And then that strength coach will know what the head coach expects too, because they're reinforcing those cultural values in the weight room.
654
00:50:03.240 --> 00:50:03.580
Okay.
655
00:50:04.081 --> 00:50:06.202
So earlier we talked about being a standout athlete.
656
00:50:06.862 --> 00:50:11.526
Do you think some of that stuff kind of applies to that of, hey, I just got this athlete in.
657
00:50:11.946 --> 00:50:13.567
He actually knows how to brace.
658
00:50:13.767 --> 00:50:15.248
He actually knows proper technique.
659
00:50:15.748 --> 00:50:18.110
He's able to push himself and help lift others up.
660
00:50:18.190 --> 00:50:20.792
Is that some of the stuff that you kind of look at with a brand new athlete?
661
00:50:21.727 --> 00:50:26.890
Yeah, because you've already been a professional before you've reached professionalism, before you get the title.
662
00:50:26.910 --> 00:50:28.411
So you're taking everything that seriously.
663
00:50:29.012 --> 00:50:31.353
And you've seen it in wrestling.
664
00:50:31.373 --> 00:50:36.276
You have color standouts who have an unbelievable, was it a GPA?
665
00:50:36.857 --> 00:50:37.497
Yes.
666
00:50:37.877 --> 00:50:42.880
And they're like, okay, so they understand the importance of being a professional in every aspect of it.
667
00:50:43.040 --> 00:50:46.102
So if you can start early, it's going to be great because you're...
668
00:50:47.323 --> 00:50:48.643
It's not discipline, it's sacrifice.
669
00:50:48.683 --> 00:50:59.986
You're going to be getting used to not going out, not doing all these things that maybe your friends are doing because you're so absolutely hell-bent on becoming a professional athlete.
670
00:51:01.426 --> 00:51:02.827
That's just a part of the journey.
671
00:51:03.007 --> 00:51:14.569
Now, there is studs who are absolutely gifted genetically with skills that are the outliers, but there's a certain level of sacrifice and study required to become a professional.
672
00:51:17.410 --> 00:51:21.072
Because your chances are slim because it's a small population.
673
00:51:21.292 --> 00:51:29.477
Like, gosh, I can't remember what coach said it to me, but you nearly have more of a chance of becoming an NFL player than you do being an NFL strength coach.
674
00:51:30.463 --> 00:51:32.925
Just because the positions, there's not that many positions.
675
00:51:33.125 --> 00:51:39.210
So if you want to get to that level, you better be trying to become as professional and get as much experience as you can.
676
00:51:39.850 --> 00:51:40.911
So the same goes for the athlete.
677
00:51:41.131 --> 00:51:49.437
So you might as well start acting like a professional in the way you're eating, sleeping, training, talking, all these things, because it stands to you.
678
00:51:49.517 --> 00:51:50.538
It's definitely not a disadvantage.
679
00:51:52.465 --> 00:51:54.928
That is so awesome that you just mentioned that.
680
00:51:55.268 --> 00:52:04.718
Because there's so many times where you get an athlete and they have these aspirations for being the professional, being the best in the world, this and that.
681
00:52:04.978 --> 00:52:07.461
But their actions don't mimic that.
682
00:52:08.802 --> 00:52:10.504
Sometimes it could be an education situation.
683
00:52:11.545 --> 00:52:17.590
lack of education in that area or not having the role models that help shape and show them what they need to be.
684
00:52:18.170 --> 00:52:25.736
But that is something that I think a lot more education needs to be put out on of what a professional athlete is and what they do.
685
00:52:25.756 --> 00:52:28.679
Well, every athlete wants to be the best athlete in the world.
686
00:52:29.753 --> 00:52:36.536
Like that's the default, but really you try just to be, it's a cliche, but the best version of you.
687
00:52:37.436 --> 00:52:42.458
Like physically, mentally, and you study, you become a student of not just your sport, but yourself.
688
00:52:43.799 --> 00:52:47.320
And then it just, it amplifies the chances you have.
689
00:52:48.240 --> 00:52:52.382
So, and then like there's a certain amount of luck involved, been at the right place at the right time.
690
00:52:53.403 --> 00:52:56.864
But it's funny, the harder you work, the luckier you tend to get.
691
00:52:59.358 --> 00:53:03.881
That's great, especially with taking athletes to other facilities.
692
00:53:04.741 --> 00:53:07.823
And you'll see the athletes that are really good, that are really coachable.
693
00:53:09.224 --> 00:53:19.550
You'll see how they're able to go train at these other facilities like nothing, simply because they're a great athlete and they're very coachable and they help everyone that's in the room.
694
00:53:21.272 --> 00:53:26.375
Well, look, hopefully you don't mind me bringing this up.
695
00:53:27.553 --> 00:53:33.650
But your kids are, I have never seen children that young been so coachable and professional.
696
00:53:34.576 --> 00:53:39.798
So if you're willing to talk about that, but like that's the outliers right there.
697
00:53:39.818 --> 00:53:43.720
Like, hey, you start like kids as athletes.
698
00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:52.204
Obviously they're kids, they have to be kids at times, but the level of respect that you, like that's not the norm.
699
00:53:53.104 --> 00:54:01.088
So if you want to speak like, how did you, it's pretty amazing to see something like that, but clearly that's something that's taught.
700
00:54:01.868 --> 00:54:02.148
Yes.
701
00:54:03.550 --> 00:54:17.363
Lots of teaching on it, especially because going around to all the different clubs, jiu-jitsu gyms, wrestling clubs, wrestling teams, getting the kids to see like, hey, this is how some people are doing it overseas.
702
00:54:17.743 --> 00:54:21.166
When these kids step on the mat, there's rules, there's standards.
703
00:54:21.547 --> 00:54:26.791
We have to obey this and we have to live this or you might not be invited to this other club.
704
00:54:27.600 --> 00:54:41.204
And so I try to just get them to understand that respect aspect of it, of, hey, whatever happens outside in life, whatever happens with, you know, homeschool, with whatever happens with if it's a snowy day, rainy day, whatever you want to call it.
705
00:54:41.885 --> 00:54:44.966
The second you step in that gym, you have to hold your head up.
706
00:54:45.226 --> 00:54:48.327
You have to almost live the standard.
707
00:54:49.328 --> 00:54:49.488
Right.
708
00:54:49.508 --> 00:54:50.650
Like you step on that mat.
709
00:54:50.950 --> 00:54:55.278
Now, only this is the only time in life where nothing else matters.
710
00:54:55.558 --> 00:55:01.348
And it's only about holding your head up, being respectable on the mat, be someone that that coach wants to have there.
711
00:55:04.267 --> 00:55:23.114
I think that's when the journey starts, is having the positive role models that are taking you in the right direction, that are able to balance that aspect of letting children be children, but then there's a time when, okay, now it's to be serious.
712
00:55:23.454 --> 00:55:27.596
Because then from a coach's perspective, it just makes coaching tremendously easy.
713
00:55:28.436 --> 00:55:28.696
Yes.
714
00:55:29.317 --> 00:55:32.458
Now, that was one thing I really wanted to get, kind of hit home with him, is,
715
00:55:33.618 --> 00:55:39.043
Yeah, sometimes, you know, we'll go like Chuck E. Cheese or to the park or whatever place to go play.
716
00:55:39.604 --> 00:55:40.945
And that's where we can like be silly.
717
00:55:41.486 --> 00:55:45.049
But when it's time to be in the gym, we're not jumping.
718
00:55:45.069 --> 00:55:49.173
We're not running around playing tag or dancing or doing anything silly like that.
719
00:55:49.193 --> 00:55:52.956
It's time to focus on what's in front of us and what task we have.
720
00:55:54.298 --> 00:55:56.560
A lot of it's really just what I took from the athletes here.
721
00:55:59.088 --> 00:56:09.242
But that's why it's so important to go visit these places, like go see other people train, get different opinions and styles of training.
722
00:56:10.303 --> 00:56:14.048
Because then you know what matches up better for you, but actually just have experience of being around it.
723
00:56:15.570 --> 00:56:19.812
It's just, it's huge because if you don't have experience, then you've got no clue what you're getting into.
724
00:56:20.513 --> 00:56:20.933
Right.
725
00:56:20.973 --> 00:56:22.434
And it's repetitions, right?
726
00:56:22.494 --> 00:56:30.398
If you get used to all these reps and then it's in a positive environment as you grow up, then it's just, the gym becomes, it just should be fun.
727
00:56:31.619 --> 00:56:38.182
And I'll put fun in quotation marks, like it is serious, but you enjoy going to the gym because you know the rewards you get from it.
728
00:56:38.763 --> 00:56:42.765
The same going to different facilities, talking to different coaches, to different athletes.
729
00:56:43.545 --> 00:56:48.028
Like there's, like consistency is the common thread through them all.
730
00:56:48.048 --> 00:56:49.609
Like they're very consistent.
731
00:56:50.330 --> 00:56:55.453
And then they, the vast majority of them take stuff or do stuff at a professional level.
732
00:56:55.673 --> 00:56:57.715
Even, some don't even know they're professional.
733
00:56:58.295 --> 00:56:59.896
But what they're doing is at a professional standard.
734
00:57:00.617 --> 00:57:00.917
Yes.
735
00:57:01.457 --> 00:57:04.039
And that's, like you said, we're going to different gyms.
736
00:57:04.599 --> 00:57:08.022
Going and seeing how these different people train and how they act and behave is,
737
00:57:08.722 --> 00:57:11.424
is really what kind of, it was a big eye opener.
738
00:57:11.664 --> 00:57:20.009
Like going out to the compound, to Coach Bassett's place in PA, seeing how when he talked, everybody was still.
739
00:57:20.370 --> 00:57:22.251
Everybody's eyes were locked in on him.
740
00:57:22.631 --> 00:57:26.174
There was no like flicking the kid next to you or playing around.
741
00:57:27.014 --> 00:57:29.516
And the same thing with going up to the suplex club.
742
00:57:31.101 --> 00:57:33.025
All the Russian kids, phenomenal.
743
00:57:34.186 --> 00:57:35.689
Nothing but respect on the mats.
744
00:57:35.889 --> 00:57:38.954
And then we go to some other clubs, and you kind of see the kids...
745
00:57:40.408 --> 00:57:47.474
Playing around, running around, playing tag, slapping each other, doing everything they're not supposed to be doing, especially when the instructor's talking.
746
00:57:47.795 --> 00:57:54.301
Like that, I told the kids, I was like, if you guys ever act disrespectful like that, you need to step off the mat.
747
00:57:54.661 --> 00:57:57.203
That's the time to, you don't deserve to be there.
748
00:57:57.523 --> 00:57:58.865
That is something you have to earn.
749
00:57:59.966 --> 00:58:01.687
Yeah, and I look, and there's...
750
00:58:03.268 --> 00:58:04.889
there's different clubs for different folks.
751
00:58:05.510 --> 00:58:05.730
Yes.
752
00:58:06.110 --> 00:58:11.493
If you want to get your kids into something recreationally for fun, like just for enjoyment, like there's much of that.
753
00:58:11.613 --> 00:58:14.275
If you want to be serious, you go to the serious clubs.
754
00:58:15.235 --> 00:58:16.756
You don't want to mismatch.
755
00:58:17.417 --> 00:58:28.023
You don't want to go to a place that is culturally, physically, an established powerhouse and hope that's going to transform or mold your kid.
756
00:58:28.063 --> 00:58:28.423
It's not.
757
00:58:29.084 --> 00:58:31.185
Like you have to be building up to get into a place like that.
758
00:58:32.453 --> 00:58:37.234
And you can see the same thing on the strength and conditioning side or lifting side, right?
759
00:58:37.254 --> 00:58:40.275
Because the athletes, when they're training, like they're locked in.
760
00:58:40.795 --> 00:58:42.575
They are moving at a fast pace.
761
00:58:42.935 --> 00:58:49.377
But like you can go to some, you know, some other gyms where people are on their phone for 30 minutes sitting on one machine.
762
00:58:49.397 --> 00:58:54.098
And it's like you're not doing what you want to do to be this person.
763
00:58:54.958 --> 00:58:55.158
Yeah.
764
00:58:56.092 --> 00:58:58.653
It just goes back down to consistency and repetition.
765
00:58:59.393 --> 00:58:59.573
Yes.
766
00:58:59.653 --> 00:59:09.875
And then to trying to make it as, and I know it's cliche and corny, but you're trying to make it as positive as possible because you want them to be in it for the long term.
767
00:59:10.235 --> 00:59:11.496
You don't want this to become a chore.
768
00:59:12.216 --> 00:59:23.579
You don't want to try relive or capture what you didn't do through your kids or as a coach try to get your athlete to be the athlete that you weren't or that you maybe once was or could never be.
769
00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:26.760
It's like you're trying to amplify the person in front of you.
770
00:59:28.041 --> 00:59:33.923
And if the athlete hates being at this place or that place, that consistency is not going to show with it.
771
00:59:34.623 --> 00:59:34.823
Yeah.
772
00:59:37.024 --> 00:59:37.605
All right, Tom.
773
00:59:37.645 --> 00:59:42.567
We talked a lot about questions, feedback, athletes and coaches.
774
00:59:43.127 --> 00:59:45.788
You want to touch on some of the big things that are happening in the future here?
775
00:59:47.509 --> 00:59:59.499
I wouldn't, I would say it's more the status quo, nothing too big, nothing too small, but like all the athletes are getting prepared for various events.
776
01:00:00.540 --> 01:00:06.965
I know Ali and Taylor are playing, or they played this weekend and then they have a,
777
01:00:07.565 --> 01:00:08.526
Team USA training.
778
01:00:10.187 --> 01:00:12.488
The guys in the cross side are in the off season.
779
01:00:12.508 --> 01:00:16.811
So we're working on just building up some fundamentals and foundational strength with them.
780
01:00:18.052 --> 01:00:20.413
Justin is rehabbing his knee.
781
01:00:21.053 --> 01:00:22.975
So we're just going through modified sessions with him.
782
01:00:23.155 --> 01:00:25.956
The JITS guys, they got pans and worlds coming up.
783
01:00:26.697 --> 01:00:28.478
So they're getting ready for that.
784
01:00:28.918 --> 01:00:33.181
Ademir, he's got the crown coming up, which is a huge event in Gi Jiu Jitsu.
785
01:00:33.741 --> 01:00:37.162
So we had a really good conversation two weeks ago, dialing in his training for that.
786
01:00:38.223 --> 01:00:44.405
I started working with Seb Twaddle in golf.
787
01:00:44.425 --> 01:00:47.766
He's a long driver and trying to go for the fastest club head speed in the world.
788
01:00:47.786 --> 01:00:52.048
So I'm really pumped because it's just problem solving trying to work with him.
789
01:00:52.068 --> 01:00:53.468
So that's pretty unique experience.
790
01:00:54.368 --> 01:01:00.010
project to work with him on and then it's just refining the system.
791
01:01:00.851 --> 01:01:12.255
And if I can add, the whole trend of Louis is right, is happening, of which I'm just not surprised.
792
01:01:12.515 --> 01:01:16.937
He is someone who's backed into what he has done through mastery, of course they're going
793
01:01:18.117 --> 01:01:18.537
be right.
794
01:01:19.778 --> 01:01:24.502
And that conjugate and concurrent in this modern age are the same thing.
795
01:01:25.162 --> 01:01:29.306
So it's, I just wanted to put on there, it's like we do concurrent training.
796
01:01:30.366 --> 01:01:34.770
We use conjugate sequencing to select exercises, but it's concurrent.
797
01:01:34.830 --> 01:01:37.672
So for anyone who's wondering, what is the difference?
798
01:01:38.733 --> 01:01:41.355
As Burleigh said, it's just spelling for this modern age.
799
01:01:44.437 --> 01:01:46.579
But yeah, the gym's going good.
800
01:01:46.759 --> 01:01:48.921
We're mostly everyone here does the three-day system.
801
01:01:50.843 --> 01:02:03.355
If you want to learn more about what we do, oh, we got the, I forgot about that, the academy aspects for jiu-jitsu coming out to where we're working with academies doing strength and conditioning.
802
01:02:03.616 --> 01:02:07.840
Whether you want programming, we can do that, but what we're more pumped for is educating
803
01:02:08.420 --> 01:02:08.920
the coaches.
804
01:02:09.221 --> 01:02:25.229
So if you have someone in your academy who wants to become a strength coach or who is a strength coach and wants help developing the education to do their own programming, we've got all that launching in November and then we'll have a book out, our first book on Jiu Jitsu strength and conditioning will come out in November.
805
01:02:26.150 --> 01:02:26.650
Nice.
806
01:02:26.730 --> 01:02:27.570
That's exciting.
807
01:02:28.891 --> 01:02:29.111
Yes.
808
01:02:29.872 --> 01:02:33.716
And then there's also something on the website about seminars.
809
01:02:34.677 --> 01:02:34.998
Oh, yeah.
810
01:02:35.678 --> 01:02:36.299
I guess I'm not.
811
01:02:36.780 --> 01:02:37.320
I forgot about that.
812
01:02:37.781 --> 01:02:37.941
Yeah.
813
01:02:38.101 --> 01:02:39.563
We're offering.
814
01:02:40.964 --> 01:02:42.666
We've got onboarding for seminars.
815
01:02:42.826 --> 01:02:45.449
So if you're interested in seminars at Westside, just put on your name.
816
01:02:45.549 --> 01:02:48.192
Or if you want one of us or one of our coaches to go out and do.
817
01:02:49.092 --> 01:02:50.112
seminar at your facility.
818
01:02:51.353 --> 01:03:00.255
We have some of the best in the world here with Laura and Burley on the powerlifting side, yourself for strength and conditioning on wrestling and in general.
819
01:03:01.396 --> 01:03:10.038
But then we have hand-selected coaches that we work with and trust to deliver how we apply the conjugate system of training.
820
01:03:11.118 --> 01:03:15.279
So head over to our website, maybe you guys can put a link below in the description.
821
01:03:16.520 --> 01:03:17.640
I guess there's a few things happening.
822
01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:25.206
And to go back on that programming, is that only for jiu-jitsu gyms or is that for like combat sport gyms?
823
01:03:25.486 --> 01:03:27.228
Like who all can jump in on that?
824
01:03:27.929 --> 01:03:30.672
So we do, we help programming.
825
01:03:30.992 --> 01:03:35.457
We try to stay behind the scenes because whoever the gym or the academy is like, they're
826
01:03:37.197 --> 01:03:37.757
front and center.
827
01:03:37.777 --> 01:03:39.338
We're in the background trying to help their coaches.
828
01:03:39.918 --> 01:03:41.738
But we work with multiple different disciplines.
829
01:03:41.958 --> 01:03:44.079
Right now, the Academy page is getting launched up.
830
01:03:45.679 --> 01:03:46.439
But anyone can reach out.
831
01:03:47.419 --> 01:03:50.240
If you're a private sector coach, whatever we can do to help.
832
01:03:50.900 --> 01:03:55.261
And I know we've got something in the works, too, for the high school strength and conditioning coach, too.
833
01:03:56.001 --> 01:03:58.701
So that should be coming out in January.
834
01:03:59.941 --> 01:04:00.361
Awesome.
835
01:04:00.441 --> 01:04:01.142
All right, Tom.
836
01:04:01.182 --> 01:04:02.602
Well, thank you for jumping on today.
837
01:04:03.653 --> 01:04:06.997
You got anything you want to finish off saying to the listeners?
838
01:04:08.118 --> 01:04:10.221
No, thank you for listening to Ramble on this long.
839
01:04:10.801 --> 01:04:12.323
And thanks for having me on, Mac.
840
01:04:13.164 --> 01:04:14.145
All right, no problem.
841
01:04:15.066 --> 01:04:19.472
All right, for everyone that's listening or watching, make sure you guys stay tuned and stay strong.
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What's up, everybody, and welcome to the Westside Barbell podcast.
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I'm your host, Mac McFarlane, and with me today is Tom Barry.
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Tom, how's it going?
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Good, Mac.
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How are you, sir?
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Doing good, doing good.
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Thank you for jumping on the podcast today.
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No problem.
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I'm here for emergencies.
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I do love the backdrop.
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Whose gloves are those?
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Those are Muhammad Ali's autograph gloves.
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That's dope.
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That's awesome.
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Yeah.
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Figure how to pay tribute to the goat.
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That's super cool.
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Well, what do you have on the agenda for me today, bud?
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All right.
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So for today, for those that follow online and aren't here in person to see what's happening every single day, I was just going to ask you to kind of give like a brief overview of what's happening in the gym and some of the athlete's success over the past couple months.
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Yeah.
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So we train in the mornings, five days a week.
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I'd say it's fair you can split it up into two different groups.
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You have the combat sport athletes and the field sport athletes.
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So every Monday, Wednesday and Friday, we have our lacrosse group who are coming in.
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That started with Ali and Justin.
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And now we have Colin, Blake and Taylor.
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who has recently joined.
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During the summer, we had some high-level high schoolers and college guys in.
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A standout from that group was Kay Galco.
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Kay crushed it because for someone in college to ask the questions he did and have the level of consistency and doing stuff outside the gym was super cool to see, like to where there's hunger for development of it.
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Especially like...
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When, if you haven't been indoctrinated into sled work, it is not the most appealing of things to do.
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And gosh, you did it all the time, just working on starts and stops and some sled sprints over 10, 20 yards to help be explosive off the line.
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But yeah, that's our lacrosse crew.
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We do the three day split.
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One common denominator with all our athletes is we do the three day version of the system.
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There is zero things wrong with the four day system.
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It's tried and trusted produce over 150 world records.
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Louis had that down pat, especially for powerlifting and strength sports.
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We started working with athletes in about 2013.
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we realized they needed another day back to themselves, either for skill development, recovery, or just to have a kind of a variable day to do whatever they need to do on that.
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And it helps with consistency, because when you're working with athletes, you're a part of a whole big system.
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when Louis ran the club, like you were a club.
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So you have to turn up because you're doing your sport specific work and your training work and you better be there on time.
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When we're doing strength conditioning in the athlete gym,
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And for those that don't know, we've got two separate gyms.
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We have the old school Westside Gym, the Legacy Gym for people to come see.
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Everyone's more welcome to visit.
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Just reach out to Mac.
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And you get to use the pieces.
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Well, explain it.
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It allows us to tell the story of where everything came from.
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And then we have the Athletes Gym next door, which is just a little bit more...
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lack of a better word, modern, it's the same stuff.
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We still have our official Westside Barbell dumbbell holder, which is called The Floor.
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We inherited that.
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It lets us know that people are using dumbbells.
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But the three-day system is Monday's Combined Dynamic Effort,
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which we're doing upper and lower body, followed by accessory work.
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And then we have our max effort upper on Wednesday and max effort lower on Friday.
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Like that's the general system.
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Now it will adapt.
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We will mold the methods, which are max effort, dynamic effort, repeated effort method, on the context of what the athlete needs.
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So we've got competitions coming up.
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We might pull back on some max effort work, increase volume in repeated effort method or utilize dynamic effort.
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It just depends on what is necessary.
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So we take the foundations, everything from Louis, the legacy, the four-day system.
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And then we train different...
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Or synergistical strength training in one week.
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And what I mean by that is we can train max effort, dynamic effort, repeated effort.
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We can work on strength endurance, isometrics, all synergistical qualities we train concurrently.
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And it is concurrent training.
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That's method of periodization we do because of that fast feedback loop.
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So if an athlete gives you feedback, you can adjust on the spot.
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So then next week's workouts might be changed based on that.
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And then I'd say the differences we are tweaking with is the accessories on the max effort upper and max effort lower days.
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Traditionally, if it was lower, all your accessories were lower.
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So you'd hit your lift, you try to hit the heaviest lift you can on that day.
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PRs are great, but when you're working with athletes, you have so much more room just to lift heavy.
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It mightn't be a PR because we're not an absolute strength sport like powerlifting.
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and then your primary accessory after that, and then it would be all lower body.
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But what we're doing now is mixing in upper and lower body.
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So we'll hit our main lift, just say if it's a snatch grip deadlift, then we'll go on to the primary accessory, which because we know a snatch grip deadlift is going to be taxing the lower back, so we might do a squat.
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We might just do some modification.
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but we'll work up on that, and then we might throw in some upper and lower with the following accessories, just to make it a little bit more total body, but still honing in on its lower body prime accessory is to target a weakness, and it seems to be carrying over a little bit better.
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And that's the beauty of this system, is you get to run your own experiments, see what's working, because the athlete is never going to regress
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It just allows, and so far it's very hard to dispute the four-day system or the three-day system.
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With the jiu-jitsu crew, we're going to pull it back in.
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We're training five or six days a week.
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We're going to go back just to the three days, just to help with that consistency factor.
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then in terms of volume, we will have more accessories based towards field sport for the lacrosse athletes.
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And then the JITS crew, they're Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday.
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Same type of split, combined dynamic effort, two max efforts.
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And they're really dense sessions.
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A lot of them are total body, same concept.
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But it's all coming from the foundational aspect of the four-day system.
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Nice.
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That's really interesting because there's a few different things we can kind of dive into just off of that alone.
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But you mentioned Cade being a standout.
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Now, for an athlete to stand out for you, does that mean that they have to be the strongest?
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Because you mentioned him asking some questions.
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You want to dive into that?
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Yeah, I think the more the athlete gets involved and takes ownership of their training, the better it's going to be.
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If you're going to be a professional athlete, you're basically running.
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You're the CEO of your own body.
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You're taking charge of that.
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So the more informed you are and the better feedback you can give, the more dialed in training can.
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Especially if we have them for three to four hours a week.
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they're going to have some downtime and if they want to do training and they go like, hey, what can I do here?
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Like, what do you think would be best?
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And they give feedback if it's carrying over to the sport.
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Like that's a coach's dream is to have someone who's consistent, very good at giving feedback.
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And the more you train, the better the level of feedback you can give because your physical literacy comes up so you know more about your body, how it's moving, how it's performing.
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And then especially when you're doing sports specific stuff outside of here, you can see is it converting over?
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Like I'm getting really strong in the gym, but I'm not getting any better in my sport.
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Like, okay, we have a transfer issue here, so we got to work on that.
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But it's just people who want to be students.
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They want to know what to do and they don't have to have
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a high level knowledge of Latin terminology, but they want to know like, hey, how is this benefiting me?
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What are we doing?
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Why are we doing it?
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And it helps develop trust and back to the feedback.
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They become so articulate that if they have to go, like for Ali, she went away for, gosh, nearly half the summer, but she knows how to train herself and she knows she's got questions, she can reach out.
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The same with Dante.
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Like to me, Dante and Ali set the benchmarks of professionalism because they give feedback
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You don't have to chase them up.
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You don't have to ask them.
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They just give it because they take everything they do serious, both inside and outside the gym, from nutrition, recovery, all these aspects.
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So when you see someone starting to strength train, they start asking these questions regularly.
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and they actually go out and do it, and they're showing you videos like, hey, is that right?
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Then you're like, okay, that's someone who is taking this seriously and wants to give themselves the best shot to be a pro athlete.
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Because it's not gonna work out for everyone, but at least if you can say, I gave it everything, it didn't work out, well then you have that to set back on.
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Nice, and with that feedback,
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One thing I don't want people to get from this is that, hey, I went ahead and did this session.
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Should they give feedback right after that session?
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Is there a prerequisite for how long they should be training before they're allowed to give feedback?
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I don't believe so.
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I think it just gets better over time.
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We've all done stuff to where you start a new hobby and now you believe you're an expert in it and then you start talking to someone who's a real expert and you're like, oh, I went way above my head here.
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But just in general, getting used to talking.
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It doesn't have to be straight after training.
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If it is, it's great.
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If not, no problem.
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But it's just understanding that you're not going through the motions.
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You're not here just to go through a workout, you're here to train.
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And the more you give feedback, the better you can refine it.
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The less you give feedback, you don't have a lot of reps.
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It's like everything.
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If you get more reps of giving feedback, then you can refine it.
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You know, a really good example is, so we use Bridge Athletic to deliver the programming.
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The forms you fill out pre and post training.
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They crack me up because you can see people who are just going in the middle, like, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop.
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And you're like, that's not.
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It's never because you look at it over like one or two, three months.
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You can see people are taking it seriously.
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And there's people like, just get me.
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I want to go in and work out.
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And you're like, no, you have to go in and train.
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And that feedback is important because it helps us see like, OK, are they recovering?
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How are they feeling?
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What do they rate it?
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Like when I see five, six and sevens consistently, I'm like, there's no way the volume of that training session equated a five.
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So it's just it's funny, but.
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When you start taking that seriously, because the little stuff does matter, so those forms, everything is done for a reason.
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So if you can give feedback digitally, verbally, and then just kind of, you end up taking more ownership of your own training.
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So like we're here to help guide them in the gym and help whenever we can.
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But at the end of the day, if you're an athlete, like it's the ownership's on you, especially when you become a professional.
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Like you have to take ownership again of,
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your training, you should know about it because it's your business.
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You should know as much as you can about your body, about how it responds.
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For instance, for Dante, go to ADCC, we had a very quick conversation of like his jujitsu was going up.
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He wanted to dial back some aspects of training.
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He told me what aspects he felt taking out would help give him enough energy to increase the JITS training.
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I'm like, perfect.
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Because I have complete trust, because he's not going to sell himself short and he's been doing this a long time and has a high IQ, both mentally and physically.
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So it was very easy to cut volume, take out exercises.
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And then every week you'll be like, hey, I like this, but can we add this back in?
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Can we take that back out?
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And that's perfect.
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That's the way you can really dial in training because we've had a lot of coaches come through and the whole aspect of individualization of training, it's pretty broad spectrum.
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When you're a coach, you might have loads of them, but you usually have three or four templates you start with because people will fit into categories.
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And then as the feedback comes, it becomes more individualized.
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And it's not to the extent that I think people believe, because if you want to do true individualized training, there's a lot of work on both parties, because if you're doing it remotely, you have to get videos in, you have to do constant check-ins, you have to do that.
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But to where if you can do stuff using the apps, monitoring volume and get that weekly feedback in...
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You can adapt whatever system you have and just make quick adjustments to that person.
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And then it'll be actually individualized, not to the level of like if an athlete hires you to be a one-on-one coach, well, then that athlete's getting your 100%.
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focus because you're doing stuff above and beyond.
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It's not even just a training, you're scouting if they're going to a different country or a different city, like what gyms are there?
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Can we get access to that?
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Can we use a high school gym?
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Are we traveling with bands?
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You got plan A, plan B, plan C training in case you get stuck at a workout or in an airport for a workout.
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There's levels to individualization.
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And I say that to come back to with Dante, knowing that he takes ownership of everything he does, it's super fast and easy to make a change.
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Because if it's not working, or it needs to be, we can change it that day.
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And then the program just delivers what he needs.
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When Dante brought that up to you, that can be a very hard conversation for an athlete to a coach.
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How did you handle that?
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Oh, easy.
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I guess it's where I'm here to help them.
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I don't know everything.
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I've been mentored under Lou.
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My first three months I thought I knew the system inside and out.
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And then after three months I'm like, oh, there's a lot more to this.
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And then after seven years, I felt like I had a good understanding to teach myself more.
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So I could actually read books and cross-reference way better.
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But when an athlete has that trust in you to come to you, you can't be so stuck in your ways that you're not willing to change.
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Now, if that change is not going to be for the better,
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you say your piece and you give objective reasons why, and then you come at a compromise and then you try it out.
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But because the system has that weekly and daily feedback loop, you can see very fast if it's working or not working.
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But in terms of an athlete bringing up a conversation of wanting to change stuff, that's phenomenal.
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Like I am pumped that an athlete is comfortable enough to do so.
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And we can do this like in a private setting.
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It's a lot more complicated in a collegiate setting or professional setting.
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I just say an NFL team simply because you have scale.
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There's so much going on.
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And strength coaches, they go above and beyond trying to help each athlete what they can do.
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But there's like red tape of what they can and can't do too.
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So we're pretty privileged to be able to work in the private sector and have ample room to maneuver.
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Like we can pivot to take a quote from Jason Guss is like, we're driving a speedboat.
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We can pivot real fast.
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The bigger the organization becomes more like a battleship and it takes a longer time to turn left or turn right.
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And do you take that same kind of approach or philosophy when it's a sport coach giving you feedback on the athlete?
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Yeah, like to where if they're for MMA or Jiu-Jitsu, if they're the head coach, they're the head coach.
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Like to where they know the sport, the skill, they know what they're seeing.
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Sometimes the nomenclature doesn't match up.
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Like they're like, hey, this athlete needs to be more stronger in this position.
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And it might be actually endurance that they need.
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But I'm not going to critique what they're saying.
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I understand completely what they're saying.
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It's just sometimes the verbiage doesn't match over one for one.
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And over time, then you start to get to know each other.
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But they're the expert in the skill.
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My job is to help the athlete get the most out of their body.
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And that, in turn, gives them the best opportunity to display skill and to acquire more skill.
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I love that you just hit on that because that's something I've seen from private sector coaches dealing with team sports and sport coaches where the sport coach might not say the right thing, the right terms.
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But how what advice do you have for that strength coach to help talk and educate the sport coach?
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Well, more so there's a hierarchy, right?
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You have to know your role.
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You're not there to critique, especially over vocabulary.
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Like your job is to translate.
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It's like, okay, this is what they're pointing out.
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And then it's just the more information you get, you can isolate what they're talking about.
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And a lot of head coaches are incredibly smart in terms of what they're seeing with their athletes.
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But it's your job is to understand that and translate.
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And if you're in a professional setting, like working for a team, you're working for, if you're not the head strength coach, you're an assistant head strength coach and you have to understand there's a pecking order that they're in that position for a reason.
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And you have to understand that
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When we all start off, we think we know a lot.
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We think we know everything and we think we have the most unique way to train.
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This is it.
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This is going to be the game changer people.
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But we're standing on the shoulder of giants of people who put all this work into it, especially like all the literature we have to read from and pull information from.
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But what you don't have is the actual practical experience.
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And that practical experience can, it might take you days to research, but that coach has it in seconds because they've lived through it.
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And you have to try to respect and understand where they're coming from, especially if they're so busy.
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They might give you a pretty short and direct task to do.
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And that's not the point to question it.
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It's when you sit down and you have your...
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reviews and recaps of the week, like you can have your conversation with your head strength coach.
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And then ultimately then you're talking, you're working for the head coach who's over if you're in a team setting.
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So there's this hierarchy, you have to fit within it
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you have to like say your piece make sure it's objective it's not subjective it's not completely egotistically driven like we all have egos in this game don't get me wrong but it can't override objective data because at the end of the day you're there for the athlete to develop them and if you do your job then all the other coaches can do their job
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That was perfectly said.
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Because I've seen it a lot of times where a coach will take that scenario and that's his time to shine and kind of hammer that support coach back.
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No, what he really needs is this.
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That's a very difficult conversation.
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It can go really good or go really bad.
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Yeah, it's just, it takes time.
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Like all of, like you can't, we have people who can like pass exams and like really good at theoretical and they're trying to fast forward the practical aspect, but you can't fast forward time.
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It just, because the way we coach this year
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is slightly different than last year, just because evolution happens and then you start to understand different personalities better, different sports better, and then you refine the process.
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You just can't fast forward it.
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The only way you can get ahead is by talking to coaches who've been in the game for a while.
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Like, look up to the people who've been in this for 20, 30, 40 years.
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Pick their brains.
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And then that gives you an insight into how to get better faster.
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But still, there's nothing based to the practical experience aspect of this.
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So to come back to your question, if it's a sports coach or an athlete or even someone out there who's training themselves, I think that's another common mistake is, and I look at it compared to
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I'm no expert in cars, but you can bring your car to a dealership to get done or you can work on a car yourself.
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Strength training is the same.
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You can teach yourself how to strength train.
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You can teach yourself the absolute basics.
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You don't need a degree.
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You don't need any of this if you want to get better at your own strength conditioning.
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You just need to read, keep an open mind and then ask questions.
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And over time, you get better.
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The first day you're in the gym, it's probably going to be the worst day in terms of what you know.
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But then it just gets better over time, especially when you start reading and getting into articles, but actually going out and doing it.
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This is not locked down just for an elite few.
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It's open.
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All our knowledge is out there.
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So you can train.
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Some great strength coaches out there never went to school.
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They just back into it through mastery.
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So anyone out there who wants to learn how to strength train, you can from day one.
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You've mentioned questions and feedback quite a bit throughout this podcast.
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What are some questions that really separates individuals that you can tell really want to learn and understand how to apply the system versus something that they're just asking to ask?
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Usually the fact that they're asking questions.
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like off the bat, like puts you in a different category because you have the interest to ask the questions.
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And then there's depth to it.
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Some just want to ask the questions of like, okay, for instance, why are we doing 100 to 300 hamstring curls or pants?
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You're like, why am I going through this?
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And then you just explain ligaments and tendons and trying to do high reps to help strengthen that tissue, get blood into there.
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And they're like, okay, so they understand the purpose of what they're doing.
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And then it might go a little bit deeper, like, well, hey, how does that carry over to my sport?
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Well, if you're a field athlete, like you've got extreme forces coming in when you're running, cutting side to side, sprint, accelerating, decelerating, and you want to ensure that your body can handle that force.
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And they're like, okay, it makes sense.
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And then it can go a layer deeper of like, hey, I was training in this minute of a game or this minute of a match, like I felt my arms getting heavy.
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Like, okay, let's go back, let's review training.
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I'm like, oh, we haven't touched biceps in a minute.
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So was it your biceps are getting tired?
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Like, yes, well, what are you doing?
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Okay, now we can add them back in.
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So I just go back, if they're asking questions, that's great.
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And if you don't want to ask questions, at the end of the world, don't get me wrong.
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But you get way better from a coach the more information you can give them.
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Okay.
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Does the same thing apply for people that are being trained online?
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Are those questions different versus in-person type questions?
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You'll never top in person, but it's not practical because there's only so many hours in a day and then geographic locations.
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Online, I think you have to give more.
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It's a pain in the ass because you don't have to record your whole training session.
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I know some coaches, they'll do live FaceTimes.
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which is great because then you can actually see what's going on.
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But you want to get videos, you want to assess, you want to look at how long the training taking but I think you need to have those weekly calls, maybe the messages during the week and then monthly recaps.
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I think communication is huge, especially online because then you get a better picture and if you don't have any videos it's...
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We've all seen it to where they're doing some movement and it's completely incorrect.
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And you're like, oh, okay.
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Like you're doing half squats, but you're counting them as full box squats.
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You're able to get through that in two minutes.
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You're like, okay, it just makes more sense.
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But I just, like communication is always key.
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And it's actually great for consistency because then you're buying in because it's a,
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It's a two-way relationship to where it's not just someone telling you, you got to do this.
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And I said, like, there's athletes on there who just want to be told what to do.
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It allows them to escape from everything.
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They just want to go in and train.
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Completely fine with that.
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And there's ways to get feedback that's not verbal to where once they're in the gym, you can visually see what's happening.
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You can see them slowing down.
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You can see different areas that need to be worked on.
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But yeah, I just don't think there's anything wrong with
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I don't think there's such a thing as too much.
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I think it refines over time that it starts a little out and then it comes down to very simple conversations.
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So let's kind of pivot from the athlete and talk more on the coach.
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How in-depth should the coach get when an athlete's asking him these questions or giving him feedback?
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I usually ask them, do you like to read?
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And how, at what level do you want the answer?
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I try to make everything as simple as possible.
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I'm not an overly smart person, so I try to say something back that I can digest.
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And if they want a more medical grade answer, we can do that.
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But it's just simple.
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You try to keep it as colloquial as you can.
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That way everyone can understand that it's on the same page.
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That's the simple is always the best way.
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And do you think that it might be a red flag if a coach refuses to answer questions?
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Mac, you always do this to me.
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It depends.
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It's the most used answer we give in this industry.
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It depends.
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But context, I mean, in general, if a coach can't give you feedback or justification,
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of what they're doing, I would think twice.
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I'm like, if you're a strength coach, as I said, we all have egos that might range, but most of it is based on experience, objective data, and we got justification for what we're doing.
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And if you can't get that out of the coach, then I would be somewhat wary that they might just be giving you a program to generally get through it.
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But if they have justification and like online is like there's people out there who crush it that train hundreds of thousands of people online.
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So it'd be impossible to get the conversations in.
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But if you can at least get their justification of why, like how is this going to benefit me, like that's a start.
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But when it comes to more like small group coaching or individual coaching, like for sure you'd want to have your coach have firm belief in what they're doing is to better you, because you can get back your time.
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Like if you spend a year or two years with a coach and you're getting nowhere, like you can't reclaim that.
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So it's pretty important, but it's not the be all and end all I'm saying.
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Like there's some coaches who mightn't have the time, but they have other ways of getting feedback.
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But I think every coach should have their core values, their justification for what they're doing.
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Like when we talk to coaches, they might train completely different than us, have a different philosophy on periodization or how they work with athletes, which is completely fine.
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That's what makes this industry so good.
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we all try to stay on the right side of the fence, right?
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The training correctly side.
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And then other side of the fence is training incorrectly where athletes don't get any better, they get injured, they don't acquire any new skill, and overall, they're not becoming better.
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Training correctly, athletes getting better, they're getting faster, they're more robust, they're playing their sport more, they're explaining themselves more.
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So we can debate and talk about as much as you want on that side of the fence.
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But usually I'm like, hey, what's your justification?
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And it's not questioning like, hey, why?
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Why did you select these exercises?
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And then they give you a justification.
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Okay, that makes sense to me.
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I wouldn't do it that way, but it makes complete sense like how that would work and why you're doing it that way, if that makes sense to you.
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Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
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And then when a coach gives feedback to an athlete,
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Do you want to dive into this for a little bit?
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But the appropriate responses, because that to me kind of shows a lot about what that athlete is hearing, what they understand.
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I just said.
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And what their next probable course of action is.
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Right.
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Like if I tell an athlete, hey, you're not sitting back far enough on the box or, hey, you're doing this movement incorrectly.
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Do it like this.
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And they say, I'm doing that.
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Like that kind of seems a little disrespectful.
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If I'm taking the time to kind of watch and analyze and point something out, what should an athlete do after that's being told to them?
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Oh, that's a question on personality and attitude.
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So I'm not an expert in that.
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I do know there's times where you tell an athlete to sit back, just say on a box squat is a good example.
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In their mind, they're sitting back, but physically they're not.
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They just don't have that connection.
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But they're actually trying it over a period of time.
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But I think every coach responds to attitudes differently.
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You want to have people who are on the same page as you.
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You want to have a good, tight group of good people.
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How you handle that is everyone is, every coach has their own response to it.
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At the end of the day, if you're an athlete, you've turned up to train with somebody, you've made that decision to go there.
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And like you might hear our athletes in house, they don't charge, like we don't charge them.
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So we got a good synergistic relationship to where we want you to do good and
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You want us to do good because it's good for you.
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It's a good synergistic relationship.
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But if you're going to make that time commitment and pay money to just say an external coach, you kind of want to get the most out of it.
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You don't want to start putting up boundaries straight away.
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But the only thing I would say is like, just be wary of sometimes athletes are really trying.
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They just don't have that physical connection.
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And that's your job.
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You can't fix everything in one day.
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Over a period of 12 months, you can make a lot of changes.
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And like the squatting a box squat is a great example.
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Some people get in day one.
424
00:31:14.858 --> 00:31:18.120
Others might take them two or three months, depending on that connection.
425
00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:19.461
But you'll see glimmers of hope.
426
00:31:20.182 --> 00:31:24.544
They'll do 10 sets of two, and then maybe three or four sets were perfect.
427
00:31:24.965 --> 00:31:26.786
And we're like, okay, we're getting in the right direction.
428
00:31:27.586 --> 00:31:29.367
But the attitude question, I have...
429
00:31:30.488 --> 00:31:33.190
No direct answer of how to respond.
430
00:31:33.631 --> 00:31:34.211
Everyone's different.
431
00:31:34.832 --> 00:31:39.395
I always try to think about it as like maybe a lack of communication or lack of understanding.
432
00:31:39.675 --> 00:31:45.040
Because going back to that time where you said fix your feet instead of like knees out and that kind of solved everything.
433
00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:47.542
Like that was pretty cool to see in person.
434
00:31:48.722 --> 00:31:51.124
Everyone is different and personalities are different.
435
00:31:51.144 --> 00:31:52.605
Like I'm relatively introverted.
436
00:31:53.285 --> 00:31:55.287
As a strength coach goes, I'm pretty quiet.
437
00:31:55.747 --> 00:32:02.852
And then you might be an extroverted strength coach and you like to talk and motivate, which is phenomenal.
438
00:32:03.472 --> 00:32:11.798
But then you just try to understand the personality of the athlete and then try match their personality with the feedback that they're gonna respond to.
439
00:32:13.983 --> 00:32:22.336
And what do you do when you come across some feedback where you know the athlete is just saying it because he wants an easier training session?
440
00:32:22.736 --> 00:32:23.638
Have you ever had that happen?
441
00:32:26.777 --> 00:32:33.522
A few times, not mainstay, but they're just selling themselves short though.
442
00:32:33.842 --> 00:32:35.543
That's the thing.
443
00:32:36.224 --> 00:32:47.272
The good thing with the relationship we have our athletes here is that the more they give or the more that they give back to training, the more they get from it.
444
00:32:48.161 --> 00:32:56.387
So if you're sandbagging, people will sandbag and you can see it, but you're just taken away, like they're taken away from their own development.
445
00:32:57.548 --> 00:33:06.314
And the same with turning up, like if you have to keep chasing after people to turn up the training, well then after a point you're like, okay, I'm not going to keep chasing up.
446
00:33:08.236 --> 00:33:13.480
But all in all is like, well, we got a damn good group of people here.
447
00:33:14.260 --> 00:33:23.985
But you just try to chip away with it and sometimes you have people who don't like strength training, they're doing it and then over a year they completely change and they start falling in love with it because they're seeing the carryover.
448
00:33:25.026 --> 00:33:28.588
That's the great journey of strength conditioning.
449
00:33:29.698 --> 00:33:30.018
Nice.
450
00:33:30.198 --> 00:33:31.859
You want to dive into that one for a little bit?
451
00:33:32.259 --> 00:33:44.345
Like when you see someone where they mentally click and everything kind of gets locked in and you see them trying harder, you see them applying themselves better, asking the right questions, doing the right stuff.
452
00:33:45.725 --> 00:33:49.667
What is that like for someone that initially came and did not want to train?
453
00:33:53.143 --> 00:34:01.055
If I take two groups of two and separate them, if you take Lawson and Dante, right, they love the train.
454
00:34:02.317 --> 00:34:05.778
Like they'll train and like Dante's IQ and training is off the charts.
455
00:34:06.598 --> 00:34:08.619
Lawson will train, just love to train.
456
00:34:09.139 --> 00:34:13.701
And then you take Max Hansen and Josh.
457
00:34:14.441 --> 00:34:15.521
I don't think Max started here.
458
00:34:15.561 --> 00:34:17.222
He was like, what is this going through it?
459
00:34:17.522 --> 00:34:22.903
And then after a year you see him, his body changes, his attitude towards strength and conditioning changes.
460
00:34:23.524 --> 00:34:27.045
And then he goes from being someone who's in a group to being a leader of a group.
461
00:34:28.586 --> 00:34:36.233
You take Josh Lorton, someone who came in here with huge interest and completely changed.
462
00:34:36.253 --> 00:34:37.934
He's gone through the coaching pathway.
463
00:34:38.655 --> 00:34:40.436
He wants to learn more about strength conditioning.
464
00:34:40.757 --> 00:34:44.620
And then you see the improvements in him physically.
465
00:34:45.261 --> 00:34:48.543
But then from a coaching perspective, you can see that he's asking the right questions.
466
00:34:48.564 --> 00:34:49.244
He's trying to learn.
467
00:34:49.985 --> 00:34:52.887
And over a period of a year, just a huge transformation.
468
00:34:54.128 --> 00:35:02.655
Those are the things that you, once they keep coming in and they're with the right group, because then you see Dante will set the bar pretty high for everyone.
469
00:35:03.576 --> 00:35:09.080
Once you have that person in the gym, they have something to aspire to, they're around someone who's actually doing it in the sport.
470
00:35:10.101 --> 00:35:15.285
So it's not as if you're trying to trust a person who hasn't done anything, you're like, okay, he's leading from the front.
471
00:35:16.626 --> 00:35:20.850
That's the importance of having a good training group or good peers in the system.
472
00:35:22.671 --> 00:35:34.736
Max and Josh, like Max was someone who started off just going through training and then you put him in a good group, then became trying to be a leader within the group he's in, which was pretty cool to see.
473
00:35:34.756 --> 00:35:36.557
And then his physical transformation was huge.
474
00:35:37.197 --> 00:35:48.783
Josh was someone who's always interested, he's the first person nearly in, always says hello, always fist bumps you, always smile on his face, regardless how hard the training session is, ask questions, and then you'll see him physically change.
475
00:35:49.503 --> 00:35:51.364
and then getting more into it, which is pretty cool.
476
00:35:51.384 --> 00:36:12.570
Trevor Burrus, Jr.: Is there any way, because those two are great examples, Josh and Max, is there any way to kind of almost come up with like a template of, hey, you have an athlete who doesn't enjoy training, doesn't want to train, doesn't see the benefit of it or any of those scenarios, someone like that, and you want to turn them into someone like Josh?
477
00:36:14.590 --> 00:36:22.553
I just think it comes to, like for us as the group, once you have a good group, you can see what the guys at the top are doing.
478
00:36:22.573 --> 00:36:25.054
You're like, well, I don't have a blueprint.
479
00:36:25.474 --> 00:36:26.615
They are a blueprint in me.
480
00:36:26.635 --> 00:36:31.557
It's a real person I can talk to, and if I stay around here long enough, I might just get...
481
00:36:32.597 --> 00:36:34.058
better because that's what they're doing.
482
00:36:34.338 --> 00:36:40.643
And then our job is in between that is to try to educate them, point them in the right direction and keep them coming up.
483
00:36:41.243 --> 00:36:51.451
So if you keep them consistent, you can give them micro doses of like strength conditioning, education and just call out the wins as they're doing them.
484
00:36:51.611 --> 00:36:53.412
But in terms of a template, everyone is different.
485
00:36:53.432 --> 00:36:58.456
Like I don't have a template other than that the seniority in the groups is huge.
486
00:36:58.696 --> 00:36:59.797
Having people who are at the top
487
00:37:00.557 --> 00:37:01.217
going through that.
488
00:37:01.237 --> 00:37:04.198
It helps with training sessions because they can coach each other.
489
00:37:04.218 --> 00:37:08.780
And then we just try to give her information through.
490
00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:11.981
But to answer your question, I don't have a attempt because I don't think it's universal.
491
00:37:12.001 --> 00:37:13.662
I think everyone clicks in different ways.
492
00:37:14.122 --> 00:37:16.443
But I think the biggest one is results.
493
00:37:18.369 --> 00:37:26.153
If you start strength training and then you can train harder in your sport and you can go win competitions or you're physically feeling better when you go to competitions.
494
00:37:26.773 --> 00:37:30.434
Because don't get me wrong, winning is extremely important.
495
00:37:31.235 --> 00:37:37.697
But if you're going to competitions and you're handling your weight class better, you're recovering better, then you just have this...
496
00:37:39.018 --> 00:37:48.107
kind of this positive loop coming back like, okay, I can contribute this to the strength training I'm doing because you're putting in that sweat equity to pay dividends in your sport.
497
00:37:50.389 --> 00:37:51.670
You talk about the positive loop.
498
00:37:52.110 --> 00:38:02.380
What about on the opposite side, like a negative loop coming where someone's potentially getting worse or potentially overtraining or doing too much because they want to kind of catch up to what everyone else is doing?
499
00:38:04.517 --> 00:38:07.979
You just set realistic expectations and goals.
500
00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:10.821
So you try to set them up as positive as you can.
501
00:38:11.182 --> 00:38:12.643
For instance, not failing in max efforts.
502
00:38:13.683 --> 00:38:16.025
So you cut them before they fail.
503
00:38:16.045 --> 00:38:18.207
And you're like, okay, now you just have a positive experience.
504
00:38:18.987 --> 00:38:19.868
Then accessories.
505
00:38:20.028 --> 00:38:22.249
Look at the total volume from week one to week three.
506
00:38:22.269 --> 00:38:28.094
Hey, you've just done 10,000, 20,000 more pounds this week than you did the first week you did.
507
00:38:28.774 --> 00:38:31.636
And you just start to try to build up a positive experience.
508
00:38:32.478 --> 00:38:36.848
loop within here and your job as a coach is not to have athletes fail, it's to succeed and carry over.
509
00:38:37.209 --> 00:38:41.699
So you just try to work with them on that and then over time the relationship builds.
510
00:38:43.466 --> 00:38:50.149
There's very few that on day one you'll click and you have complete trust because everyone's trying to feel each other out.
511
00:38:50.269 --> 00:38:58.653
But I think over the first three weeks, the first 21 days, that's what I tell athletes, is give us 21 days and you will start seeing differences.
512
00:38:59.914 --> 00:39:01.875
And then, okay, I can do anything for 21 days.
513
00:39:02.555 --> 00:39:08.118
And then that kind of helps with the justification loop of the amount of effort you put into strength training.
514
00:39:09.705 --> 00:39:13.926
So with that, there's athletes got different personalities and so do coaches.
515
00:39:15.247 --> 00:39:18.087
How do you build that coach athlete relationship?
516
00:39:20.108 --> 00:39:21.108
You got any tips for that?
517
00:39:22.189 --> 00:39:24.249
No, I'm probably not the one to give you the last.
518
00:39:24.969 --> 00:39:26.010
I'm a relationally introvert.
519
00:39:28.230 --> 00:39:33.932
I think by caring, like just by genuinely caring that the athlete does good.
520
00:39:35.524 --> 00:39:42.649
And they'll know that to where, because they'll see the effort you put into the, to me, the programming is the big thing.
521
00:39:42.749 --> 00:39:45.971
Like, hey, you can see stuff's been changed.
522
00:39:46.392 --> 00:39:48.293
You can see, like, responses coming back.
523
00:39:48.813 --> 00:39:51.535
But just that you care, you check in with them.
524
00:39:51.735 --> 00:39:52.776
Like, how's everything going?
525
00:39:52.896 --> 00:39:53.897
Like, how's training going?
526
00:39:53.917 --> 00:39:54.597
How's sport going?
527
00:39:56.038 --> 00:40:00.181
If it starts with that, like, I think you're on the right path.
528
00:40:00.221 --> 00:40:00.401
Yeah.
529
00:40:01.422 --> 00:40:04.104
Up to that, you get into the sports psychology world.
530
00:40:04.144 --> 00:40:07.126
And as the rock says, know your role, I'll stay.
531
00:40:07.967 --> 00:40:09.148
I'll stay within the S&C.
532
00:40:09.988 --> 00:40:14.451
Yeah, it's great to see that coach-athlete relationship with the athletes we have here.
533
00:40:15.423 --> 00:40:21.465
And that's one thing where I think a lot can be done with for other coaches.
534
00:40:21.485 --> 00:40:26.948
Because there's some that almost have like a checkbox list of, hey, I've got to put this on social media.
535
00:40:26.968 --> 00:40:28.028
I've got to tag them for this.
536
00:40:28.548 --> 00:40:32.790
Everything is online, but not necessarily connecting in person.
537
00:40:35.071 --> 00:40:36.672
Look at collegial strength conditioning coaches.
538
00:40:37.516 --> 00:40:43.100
like especially in the football space, they know the athletes inside and out, like down to their favorite Gatorade.
539
00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:47.003
Like they do a heck of a job developing those relationships.
540
00:40:47.403 --> 00:40:52.787
And I said that the vast majority of true strength conditioning professionals
541
00:40:54.368 --> 00:40:56.069
They do this because they care.
542
00:40:56.970 --> 00:41:02.654
They care deeply and they get to know the athletes and they build relationships.
543
00:41:03.114 --> 00:41:13.282
So I think the other side of your talk, that's more on the influencer spectrum or the facade, but true strength and conditioning coaches know their athletes inside and out because they talk to them all the time.
544
00:41:13.302 --> 00:41:15.343
They see them a lot more than other coaches.
545
00:41:15.363 --> 00:41:16.184
Yeah.
546
00:41:16.765 --> 00:41:22.910
So I think naturally, like a good strength coach cares a heck of a lot about the athlete.
547
00:41:23.271 --> 00:41:29.417
And when you're in that sector, like you're missing so much of your own personal life because you're around the team.
548
00:41:29.457 --> 00:41:30.618
You're getting everything.
549
00:41:30.878 --> 00:41:33.421
You're up early, bed late, especially when the season's on.
550
00:41:33.501 --> 00:41:35.102
You're traveling.
551
00:41:35.362 --> 00:41:40.047
So like you have to love what you do and care a whole amount for the development of the athletes.
552
00:41:42.110 --> 00:41:45.952
Kind of, I want to take another random pivot.
553
00:41:45.992 --> 00:41:47.252
We mentioned the collegiate sector.
554
00:41:48.133 --> 00:41:57.317
When people talk about that individual, I want to individualize programs specifically for me, you look at like collegiate and pro levels, they're not training each person individually.
555
00:41:57.357 --> 00:41:58.518
They're training them as a team.
556
00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:02.980
But they still give them individual feedback.
557
00:42:03.700 --> 00:42:05.701
Yes.
558
00:42:05.961 --> 00:42:09.463
Because there's certain times and there's certain stuff you can and can't do
559
00:42:10.632 --> 00:42:21.861
But we've met, and we've met enough strength coaches that they'll either pull an athlete to do something with them, but they'll give them individual feedback because they have a system that works.
560
00:42:22.682 --> 00:42:27.806
Because we went over to watch Ohio State practice,
561
00:42:28.747 --> 00:42:35.649
There's so much going on, like from moving from different parts of the field for different events.
562
00:42:36.510 --> 00:42:37.350
It's on a clock.
563
00:42:37.490 --> 00:42:39.571
They have so much to get through and then they get to the weight room.
564
00:42:40.171 --> 00:42:44.552
So you're like, okay, the fact you're in the weight room is completely amazing to me, like how busy their schedules are.
565
00:42:45.212 --> 00:42:51.174
So then you have your program and then they're watching the train, but they're giving them individual feedback.
566
00:42:52.155 --> 00:42:52.615
And you know what?
567
00:42:54.082 --> 00:42:59.104
Great strength and conditioning programs, they feel that competitive mindset.
568
00:42:59.304 --> 00:43:06.267
They want competitors and they're able to do that in the gym with their plan and still get the individual feedback.
569
00:43:06.467 --> 00:43:09.948
And then they'll pull people for one-on-ones or they'll do side work with them.
570
00:43:10.488 --> 00:43:12.169
But there's zero things wrong.
571
00:43:12.189 --> 00:43:13.369
Look how successful they are.
572
00:43:13.549 --> 00:43:14.750
You can't say it's not successful.
573
00:43:15.510 --> 00:43:19.652
It's just like when I did a seminar on the conjugate system.
574
00:43:20.772 --> 00:43:28.899
is that you don't want someone doing a verbatim because you can't unless you're in the same set and setting and personality as that person.
575
00:43:29.500 --> 00:43:31.702
What you can do is take bits of it and put it into your own.
576
00:43:32.142 --> 00:43:33.223
That's the beauty of it.
577
00:43:34.204 --> 00:43:40.009
And I said success is the most thing where we're looking out for, success in the sport and success for the athlete.
578
00:43:40.789 --> 00:43:45.814
And success is physically to where they're more robust, they're not injury-prone.
579
00:43:46.394 --> 00:43:48.115
They can display the skills that they have.
580
00:43:48.816 --> 00:43:50.677
That's what you're looking for.
581
00:43:50.697 --> 00:43:52.018
But, yeah.
582
00:43:53.759 --> 00:43:56.601
Now, you just mentioned the success of the athlete.
583
00:43:57.762 --> 00:44:02.145
Do you think success of the athlete needs to align with success of a team?
584
00:44:05.919 --> 00:44:20.414
Well, from my little viewpoint, getting the athlete to the event, to the game, is what we're trying to do in as best physical shape as possible, seeing what we're trying to display, whatever skills they have.
585
00:44:20.954 --> 00:44:23.417
The team dynamics is a whole other thing, but I do know...
586
00:44:24.177 --> 00:44:30.700
The weight room is a great way to shape a team dynamic, to build up that culture, to reinforce the culture set down by the head coach.
587
00:44:32.701 --> 00:44:36.903
But it's to where that's getting to the sports specific nature of stuff.
588
00:44:36.943 --> 00:44:43.766
And I don't, you don't want me calling anything on sports specific if it's football or jujitsu or lacrosse.
589
00:44:44.527 --> 00:44:45.867
That would not be that good.
590
00:44:45.887 --> 00:44:51.410
But I do think that the weight room is so important for reinforcing and developing cultural values.
591
00:44:53.154 --> 00:44:56.457
Because the great thing with resistance training is subjective adversity.
592
00:44:57.137 --> 00:44:57.798
You can measure it.
593
00:44:57.938 --> 00:45:01.501
You can measure how better you're getting rather than subjective aspects.
594
00:45:02.021 --> 00:45:09.127
And you're in a close-knit situation with other people because you're sharing adversity because you're both lifting at the same time.
595
00:45:09.728 --> 00:45:12.170
And then whatever, because every team has their cultural values.
596
00:45:12.190 --> 00:45:16.173
You go into a collegiate or a pro weight room, they have them bump on the wall.
597
00:45:16.934 --> 00:45:20.637
And it's one of the best places to reinforce those and develop them.
598
00:45:21.850 --> 00:45:31.813
Do you think there's anything that can be said about having too much of a culture or not enough culture in the weight room and how that can affect the team?
599
00:45:33.594 --> 00:45:33.874
Yeah.
600
00:45:34.154 --> 00:45:48.059
Like, I think sometimes you get people who get too hung up on cultural values and don't do enough work because they have, hopefully, the culture will carry them forward and they might take the foot off the gas when it comes to actual development of it.
601
00:45:48.739 --> 00:45:50.140
And then you have places that have...
602
00:45:51.240 --> 00:45:53.482
poor culture, but you'll see people leave.
603
00:45:54.163 --> 00:45:57.685
So I think it's a blend of everything.
604
00:45:58.626 --> 00:46:03.029
But you have outliers, but the vast majority have their culture locked in.
605
00:46:03.790 --> 00:46:09.094
Successful programs don't become successful by fluke.
606
00:46:09.895 --> 00:46:10.936
It's a system.
607
00:46:11.036 --> 00:46:11.736
That's what it is.
608
00:46:11.756 --> 00:46:13.918
You're getting part into a system and everything's accounted for.
609
00:46:15.562 --> 00:46:15.882
Okay.
610
00:46:16.503 --> 00:46:22.106
And so if, like, let's say we have, I have an athlete that is wanting to go to X university.
611
00:46:23.087 --> 00:46:30.511
Are there some things he should look for with that team, with that coach from a cultural standpoint to say like, hey, this is somewhere I fit in.
612
00:46:30.551 --> 00:46:32.152
This is what's going to make me better.
613
00:46:32.513 --> 00:46:37.136
Or this is a place that is all gas, no brakes, and is going to run me down.
614
00:46:37.316 --> 00:46:39.217
Do you have any advice for checking that out?
615
00:46:40.525 --> 00:46:48.828
I don't have advice, but what I'll do is I'll give props to some of the most important strength coaches out there who are the high school strength coaches.
616
00:46:50.888 --> 00:46:53.629
A lot of those high school strength coaches know the university they're going to.
617
00:46:54.349 --> 00:46:58.551
They might reach out to the staff saying, hey, my athlete's coming to your program.
618
00:46:59.451 --> 00:47:02.492
Anything that we should know and prepare for and then pass that on to the athlete.
619
00:47:03.072 --> 00:47:10.016
Like we have a lot of high school strength coaches come through here and the vast majority do that to where they prep the athlete.
620
00:47:10.516 --> 00:47:12.657
They're like, hey, here's the system, here's the culture you're getting into.
621
00:47:12.697 --> 00:47:14.839
So you better understand what that means.
622
00:47:15.279 --> 00:47:22.083
Because when you get an athlete who comes in and gels into your culture immediately, you're like, where did you train up before this?
623
00:47:22.945 --> 00:47:27.028
because you want to give props to that coach because they prepared them well.
624
00:47:27.208 --> 00:47:41.800
But it's just doing your due diligence of what does it mean to represent that college, whatever sport, if you represent them in a game, you're like anyone who has been there before you didn't get there by chance.
625
00:47:42.300 --> 00:47:49.726
Like they put in hard work, they have skill out the wazoo, but they live up to the cultural values of that university.
626
00:47:50.687 --> 00:47:55.348
But I think a lot of high school strength coaches, the great ones, prepare them.
627
00:47:56.008 --> 00:47:57.569
They're like, hey, here's what you're getting yourself in for.
628
00:47:58.509 --> 00:48:01.590
So excuse me, that way they're not like a duck out of water.
629
00:48:01.770 --> 00:48:04.071
They're like, okay, they're ready and prepped.
630
00:48:04.971 --> 00:48:09.272
And long-term development, really, the best way to do it is in high school.
631
00:48:10.072 --> 00:48:12.793
In college with NIL and everything, you don't know where you're going to end up.
632
00:48:13.673 --> 00:48:21.935
In the private sector, you can get long term development because if you stay, like we have coaches who have had the same athletes for 10 to 15 years, which is phenomenal.
633
00:48:22.753 --> 00:48:25.515
But you can do that long-term development, but you want to be prep going in.
634
00:48:25.575 --> 00:48:37.564
So I would say look at where you're going, and if you have a high school strength coach or a strength coach, they should be able to translate where you're going to you in the weight room and give you kind of a heads up.
635
00:48:38.785 --> 00:48:39.065
Okay.
636
00:48:39.726 --> 00:48:49.073
So, like, if there's a high school strength coach or a private sector coach, and they have an athlete wanting to go to that ex-university, they're reaching out to that strength coach –
637
00:48:50.499 --> 00:48:52.561
What kind of questions should they ask that coach?
638
00:48:54.583 --> 00:48:54.704
Oh.
639
00:48:56.205 --> 00:49:00.089
And you can pull from some of your experience talking to head sport coaches.
640
00:49:01.291 --> 00:49:03.193
Anything you want to mention on that?
641
00:49:04.610 --> 00:49:11.454
What's pretty cool is like I've been lucky enough to go to open training sessions where you see coaches.
642
00:49:12.214 --> 00:49:14.876
But I saw a lot of like high school strength coaches there with their athletes.
643
00:49:15.156 --> 00:49:20.299
So they were there looking at the facility, talking to the strength coaches, just seeing what they do, which is pretty.
644
00:49:20.319 --> 00:49:22.780
It makes sense, like to where they wanted to see it.
645
00:49:24.101 --> 00:49:26.302
But you just say, what's the expectation of the program?
646
00:49:26.502 --> 00:49:28.663
What's the expectations of this athlete in your weight room?
647
00:49:29.464 --> 00:49:31.105
Like what are the cultural values that...
648
00:49:32.831 --> 00:49:34.613
Everyone wants an asset and a liability in the gym.
649
00:49:35.334 --> 00:49:48.028
But I guarantee you it's not a disadvantage to turn up to a weight room, knowing how to spot, how to load, have correct form, actually know what intent it is behind the weights.
650
00:49:48.709 --> 00:49:50.691
You're not just there to just go through the motions.
651
00:49:50.711 --> 00:49:51.332
Yeah.
652
00:49:51.712 --> 00:49:57.016
Like that's a superpower, but really it's just understanding what that coach expects.
653
00:49:57.176 --> 00:50:02.179
And then that strength coach will know what the head coach expects too, because they're reinforcing those cultural values in the weight room.
654
00:50:03.240 --> 00:50:03.580
Okay.
655
00:50:04.081 --> 00:50:06.202
So earlier we talked about being a standout athlete.
656
00:50:06.862 --> 00:50:11.526
Do you think some of that stuff kind of applies to that of, hey, I just got this athlete in.
657
00:50:11.946 --> 00:50:13.567
He actually knows how to brace.
658
00:50:13.767 --> 00:50:15.248
He actually knows proper technique.
659
00:50:15.748 --> 00:50:18.110
He's able to push himself and help lift others up.
660
00:50:18.190 --> 00:50:20.792
Is that some of the stuff that you kind of look at with a brand new athlete?
661
00:50:21.727 --> 00:50:26.890
Yeah, because you've already been a professional before you've reached professionalism, before you get the title.
662
00:50:26.910 --> 00:50:28.411
So you're taking everything that seriously.
663
00:50:29.012 --> 00:50:31.353
And you've seen it in wrestling.
664
00:50:31.373 --> 00:50:36.276
You have color standouts who have an unbelievable, was it a GPA?
665
00:50:36.857 --> 00:50:37.497
Yes.
666
00:50:37.877 --> 00:50:42.880
And they're like, okay, so they understand the importance of being a professional in every aspect of it.
667
00:50:43.040 --> 00:50:46.102
So if you can start early, it's going to be great because you're...
668
00:50:47.323 --> 00:50:48.643
It's not discipline, it's sacrifice.
669
00:50:48.683 --> 00:50:59.986
You're going to be getting used to not going out, not doing all these things that maybe your friends are doing because you're so absolutely hell-bent on becoming a professional athlete.
670
00:51:01.426 --> 00:51:02.827
That's just a part of the journey.
671
00:51:03.007 --> 00:51:14.569
Now, there is studs who are absolutely gifted genetically with skills that are the outliers, but there's a certain level of sacrifice and study required to become a professional.
672
00:51:17.410 --> 00:51:21.072
Because your chances are slim because it's a small population.
673
00:51:21.292 --> 00:51:29.477
Like, gosh, I can't remember what coach said it to me, but you nearly have more of a chance of becoming an NFL player than you do being an NFL strength coach.
674
00:51:30.463 --> 00:51:32.925
Just because the positions, there's not that many positions.
675
00:51:33.125 --> 00:51:39.210
So if you want to get to that level, you better be trying to become as professional and get as much experience as you can.
676
00:51:39.850 --> 00:51:40.911
So the same goes for the athlete.
677
00:51:41.131 --> 00:51:49.437
So you might as well start acting like a professional in the way you're eating, sleeping, training, talking, all these things, because it stands to you.
678
00:51:49.517 --> 00:51:50.538
It's definitely not a disadvantage.
679
00:51:52.465 --> 00:51:54.928
That is so awesome that you just mentioned that.
680
00:51:55.268 --> 00:52:04.718
Because there's so many times where you get an athlete and they have these aspirations for being the professional, being the best in the world, this and that.
681
00:52:04.978 --> 00:52:07.461
But their actions don't mimic that.
682
00:52:08.802 --> 00:52:10.504
Sometimes it could be an education situation.
683
00:52:11.545 --> 00:52:17.590
lack of education in that area or not having the role models that help shape and show them what they need to be.
684
00:52:18.170 --> 00:52:25.736
But that is something that I think a lot more education needs to be put out on of what a professional athlete is and what they do.
685
00:52:25.756 --> 00:52:28.679
Well, every athlete wants to be the best athlete in the world.
686
00:52:29.753 --> 00:52:36.536
Like that's the default, but really you try just to be, it's a cliche, but the best version of you.
687
00:52:37.436 --> 00:52:42.458
Like physically, mentally, and you study, you become a student of not just your sport, but yourself.
688
00:52:43.799 --> 00:52:47.320
And then it just, it amplifies the chances you have.
689
00:52:48.240 --> 00:52:52.382
So, and then like there's a certain amount of luck involved, been at the right place at the right time.
690
00:52:53.403 --> 00:52:56.864
But it's funny, the harder you work, the luckier you tend to get.
691
00:52:59.358 --> 00:53:03.881
That's great, especially with taking athletes to other facilities.
692
00:53:04.741 --> 00:53:07.823
And you'll see the athletes that are really good, that are really coachable.
693
00:53:09.224 --> 00:53:19.550
You'll see how they're able to go train at these other facilities like nothing, simply because they're a great athlete and they're very coachable and they help everyone that's in the room.
694
00:53:21.272 --> 00:53:26.375
Well, look, hopefully you don't mind me bringing this up.
695
00:53:27.553 --> 00:53:33.650
But your kids are, I have never seen children that young been so coachable and professional.
696
00:53:34.576 --> 00:53:39.798
So if you're willing to talk about that, but like that's the outliers right there.
697
00:53:39.818 --> 00:53:43.720
Like, hey, you start like kids as athletes.
698
00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:52.204
Obviously they're kids, they have to be kids at times, but the level of respect that you, like that's not the norm.
699
00:53:53.104 --> 00:54:01.088
So if you want to speak like, how did you, it's pretty amazing to see something like that, but clearly that's something that's taught.
700
00:54:01.868 --> 00:54:02.148
Yes.
701
00:54:03.550 --> 00:54:17.363
Lots of teaching on it, especially because going around to all the different clubs, jiu-jitsu gyms, wrestling clubs, wrestling teams, getting the kids to see like, hey, this is how some people are doing it overseas.
702
00:54:17.743 --> 00:54:21.166
When these kids step on the mat, there's rules, there's standards.
703
00:54:21.547 --> 00:54:26.791
We have to obey this and we have to live this or you might not be invited to this other club.
704
00:54:27.600 --> 00:54:41.204
And so I try to just get them to understand that respect aspect of it, of, hey, whatever happens outside in life, whatever happens with, you know, homeschool, with whatever happens with if it's a snowy day, rainy day, whatever you want to call it.
705
00:54:41.885 --> 00:54:44.966
The second you step in that gym, you have to hold your head up.
706
00:54:45.226 --> 00:54:48.327
You have to almost live the standard.
707
00:54:49.328 --> 00:54:49.488
Right.
708
00:54:49.508 --> 00:54:50.650
Like you step on that mat.
709
00:54:50.950 --> 00:54:55.278
Now, only this is the only time in life where nothing else matters.
710
00:54:55.558 --> 00:55:01.348
And it's only about holding your head up, being respectable on the mat, be someone that that coach wants to have there.
711
00:55:04.267 --> 00:55:23.114
I think that's when the journey starts, is having the positive role models that are taking you in the right direction, that are able to balance that aspect of letting children be children, but then there's a time when, okay, now it's to be serious.
712
00:55:23.454 --> 00:55:27.596
Because then from a coach's perspective, it just makes coaching tremendously easy.
713
00:55:28.436 --> 00:55:28.696
Yes.
714
00:55:29.317 --> 00:55:32.458
Now, that was one thing I really wanted to get, kind of hit home with him, is,
715
00:55:33.618 --> 00:55:39.043
Yeah, sometimes, you know, we'll go like Chuck E. Cheese or to the park or whatever place to go play.
716
00:55:39.604 --> 00:55:40.945
And that's where we can like be silly.
717
00:55:41.486 --> 00:55:45.049
But when it's time to be in the gym, we're not jumping.
718
00:55:45.069 --> 00:55:49.173
We're not running around playing tag or dancing or doing anything silly like that.
719
00:55:49.193 --> 00:55:52.956
It's time to focus on what's in front of us and what task we have.
720
00:55:54.298 --> 00:55:56.560
A lot of it's really just what I took from the athletes here.
721
00:55:59.088 --> 00:56:09.242
But that's why it's so important to go visit these places, like go see other people train, get different opinions and styles of training.
722
00:56:10.303 --> 00:56:14.048
Because then you know what matches up better for you, but actually just have experience of being around it.
723
00:56:15.570 --> 00:56:19.812
It's just, it's huge because if you don't have experience, then you've got no clue what you're getting into.
724
00:56:20.513 --> 00:56:20.933
Right.
725
00:56:20.973 --> 00:56:22.434
And it's repetitions, right?
726
00:56:22.494 --> 00:56:30.398
If you get used to all these reps and then it's in a positive environment as you grow up, then it's just, the gym becomes, it just should be fun.
727
00:56:31.619 --> 00:56:38.182
And I'll put fun in quotation marks, like it is serious, but you enjoy going to the gym because you know the rewards you get from it.
728
00:56:38.763 --> 00:56:42.765
The same going to different facilities, talking to different coaches, to different athletes.
729
00:56:43.545 --> 00:56:48.028
Like there's, like consistency is the common thread through them all.
730
00:56:48.048 --> 00:56:49.609
Like they're very consistent.
731
00:56:50.330 --> 00:56:55.453
And then they, the vast majority of them take stuff or do stuff at a professional level.
732
00:56:55.673 --> 00:56:57.715
Even, some don't even know they're professional.
733
00:56:58.295 --> 00:56:59.896
But what they're doing is at a professional standard.
734
00:57:00.617 --> 00:57:00.917
Yes.
735
00:57:01.457 --> 00:57:04.039
And that's, like you said, we're going to different gyms.
736
00:57:04.599 --> 00:57:08.022
Going and seeing how these different people train and how they act and behave is,
737
00:57:08.722 --> 00:57:11.424
is really what kind of, it was a big eye opener.
738
00:57:11.664 --> 00:57:20.009
Like going out to the compound, to Coach Bassett's place in PA, seeing how when he talked, everybody was still.
739
00:57:20.370 --> 00:57:22.251
Everybody's eyes were locked in on him.
740
00:57:22.631 --> 00:57:26.174
There was no like flicking the kid next to you or playing around.
741
00:57:27.014 --> 00:57:29.516
And the same thing with going up to the suplex club.
742
00:57:31.101 --> 00:57:33.025
All the Russian kids, phenomenal.
743
00:57:34.186 --> 00:57:35.689
Nothing but respect on the mats.
744
00:57:35.889 --> 00:57:38.954
And then we go to some other clubs, and you kind of see the kids...
745
00:57:40.408 --> 00:57:47.474
Playing around, running around, playing tag, slapping each other, doing everything they're not supposed to be doing, especially when the instructor's talking.
746
00:57:47.795 --> 00:57:54.301
Like that, I told the kids, I was like, if you guys ever act disrespectful like that, you need to step off the mat.
747
00:57:54.661 --> 00:57:57.203
That's the time to, you don't deserve to be there.
748
00:57:57.523 --> 00:57:58.865
That is something you have to earn.
749
00:57:59.966 --> 00:58:01.687
Yeah, and I look, and there's...
750
00:58:03.268 --> 00:58:04.889
there's different clubs for different folks.
751
00:58:05.510 --> 00:58:05.730
Yes.
752
00:58:06.110 --> 00:58:11.493
If you want to get your kids into something recreationally for fun, like just for enjoyment, like there's much of that.
753
00:58:11.613 --> 00:58:14.275
If you want to be serious, you go to the serious clubs.
754
00:58:15.235 --> 00:58:16.756
You don't want to mismatch.
755
00:58:17.417 --> 00:58:28.023
You don't want to go to a place that is culturally, physically, an established powerhouse and hope that's going to transform or mold your kid.
756
00:58:28.063 --> 00:58:28.423
It's not.
757
00:58:29.084 --> 00:58:31.185
Like you have to be building up to get into a place like that.
758
00:58:32.453 --> 00:58:37.234
And you can see the same thing on the strength and conditioning side or lifting side, right?
759
00:58:37.254 --> 00:58:40.275
Because the athletes, when they're training, like they're locked in.
760
00:58:40.795 --> 00:58:42.575
They are moving at a fast pace.
761
00:58:42.935 --> 00:58:49.377
But like you can go to some, you know, some other gyms where people are on their phone for 30 minutes sitting on one machine.
762
00:58:49.397 --> 00:58:54.098
And it's like you're not doing what you want to do to be this person.
763
00:58:54.958 --> 00:58:55.158
Yeah.
764
00:58:56.092 --> 00:58:58.653
It just goes back down to consistency and repetition.
765
00:58:59.393 --> 00:58:59.573
Yes.
766
00:58:59.653 --> 00:59:09.875
And then to trying to make it as, and I know it's cliche and corny, but you're trying to make it as positive as possible because you want them to be in it for the long term.
767
00:59:10.235 --> 00:59:11.496
You don't want this to become a chore.
768
00:59:12.216 --> 00:59:23.579
You don't want to try relive or capture what you didn't do through your kids or as a coach try to get your athlete to be the athlete that you weren't or that you maybe once was or could never be.
769
00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:26.760
It's like you're trying to amplify the person in front of you.
770
00:59:28.041 --> 00:59:33.923
And if the athlete hates being at this place or that place, that consistency is not going to show with it.
771
00:59:34.623 --> 00:59:34.823
Yeah.
772
00:59:37.024 --> 00:59:37.605
All right, Tom.
773
00:59:37.645 --> 00:59:42.567
We talked a lot about questions, feedback, athletes and coaches.
774
00:59:43.127 --> 00:59:45.788
You want to touch on some of the big things that are happening in the future here?
775
00:59:47.509 --> 00:59:59.499
I wouldn't, I would say it's more the status quo, nothing too big, nothing too small, but like all the athletes are getting prepared for various events.
776
01:00:00.540 --> 01:00:06.965
I know Ali and Taylor are playing, or they played this weekend and then they have a,
777
01:00:07.565 --> 01:00:08.526
Team USA training.
778
01:00:10.187 --> 01:00:12.488
The guys in the cross side are in the off season.
779
01:00:12.508 --> 01:00:16.811
So we're working on just building up some fundamentals and foundational strength with them.
780
01:00:18.052 --> 01:00:20.413
Justin is rehabbing his knee.
781
01:00:21.053 --> 01:00:22.975
So we're just going through modified sessions with him.
782
01:00:23.155 --> 01:00:25.956
The JITS guys, they got pans and worlds coming up.
783
01:00:26.697 --> 01:00:28.478
So they're getting ready for that.
784
01:00:28.918 --> 01:00:33.181
Ademir, he's got the crown coming up, which is a huge event in Gi Jiu Jitsu.
785
01:00:33.741 --> 01:00:37.162
So we had a really good conversation two weeks ago, dialing in his training for that.
786
01:00:38.223 --> 01:00:44.405
I started working with Seb Twaddle in golf.
787
01:00:44.425 --> 01:00:47.766
He's a long driver and trying to go for the fastest club head speed in the world.
788
01:00:47.786 --> 01:00:52.048
So I'm really pumped because it's just problem solving trying to work with him.
789
01:00:52.068 --> 01:00:53.468
So that's pretty unique experience.
790
01:00:54.368 --> 01:01:00.010
project to work with him on and then it's just refining the system.
791
01:01:00.851 --> 01:01:12.255
And if I can add, the whole trend of Louis is right, is happening, of which I'm just not surprised.
792
01:01:12.515 --> 01:01:16.937
He is someone who's backed into what he has done through mastery, of course they're going
793
01:01:18.117 --> 01:01:18.537
be right.
794
01:01:19.778 --> 01:01:24.502
And that conjugate and concurrent in this modern age are the same thing.
795
01:01:25.162 --> 01:01:29.306
So it's, I just wanted to put on there, it's like we do concurrent training.
796
01:01:30.366 --> 01:01:34.770
We use conjugate sequencing to select exercises, but it's concurrent.
797
01:01:34.830 --> 01:01:37.672
So for anyone who's wondering, what is the difference?
798
01:01:38.733 --> 01:01:41.355
As Burleigh said, it's just spelling for this modern age.
799
01:01:44.437 --> 01:01:46.579
But yeah, the gym's going good.
800
01:01:46.759 --> 01:01:48.921
We're mostly everyone here does the three-day system.
801
01:01:50.843 --> 01:02:03.355
If you want to learn more about what we do, oh, we got the, I forgot about that, the academy aspects for jiu-jitsu coming out to where we're working with academies doing strength and conditioning.
802
01:02:03.616 --> 01:02:07.840
Whether you want programming, we can do that, but what we're more pumped for is educating
803
01:02:08.420 --> 01:02:08.920
the coaches.
804
01:02:09.221 --> 01:02:25.229
So if you have someone in your academy who wants to become a strength coach or who is a strength coach and wants help developing the education to do their own programming, we've got all that launching in November and then we'll have a book out, our first book on Jiu Jitsu strength and conditioning will come out in November.
805
01:02:26.150 --> 01:02:26.650
Nice.
806
01:02:26.730 --> 01:02:27.570
That's exciting.
807
01:02:28.891 --> 01:02:29.111
Yes.
808
01:02:29.872 --> 01:02:33.716
And then there's also something on the website about seminars.
809
01:02:34.677 --> 01:02:34.998
Oh, yeah.
810
01:02:35.678 --> 01:02:36.299
I guess I'm not.
811
01:02:36.780 --> 01:02:37.320
I forgot about that.
812
01:02:37.781 --> 01:02:37.941
Yeah.
813
01:02:38.101 --> 01:02:39.563
We're offering.
814
01:02:40.964 --> 01:02:42.666
We've got onboarding for seminars.
815
01:02:42.826 --> 01:02:45.449
So if you're interested in seminars at Westside, just put on your name.
816
01:02:45.549 --> 01:02:48.192
Or if you want one of us or one of our coaches to go out and do.
817
01:02:49.092 --> 01:02:50.112
seminar at your facility.
818
01:02:51.353 --> 01:03:00.255
We have some of the best in the world here with Laura and Burley on the powerlifting side, yourself for strength and conditioning on wrestling and in general.
819
01:03:01.396 --> 01:03:10.038
But then we have hand-selected coaches that we work with and trust to deliver how we apply the conjugate system of training.
820
01:03:11.118 --> 01:03:15.279
So head over to our website, maybe you guys can put a link below in the description.
821
01:03:16.520 --> 01:03:17.640
I guess there's a few things happening.
822
01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:25.206
And to go back on that programming, is that only for jiu-jitsu gyms or is that for like combat sport gyms?
823
01:03:25.486 --> 01:03:27.228
Like who all can jump in on that?
824
01:03:27.929 --> 01:03:30.672
So we do, we help programming.
825
01:03:30.992 --> 01:03:35.457
We try to stay behind the scenes because whoever the gym or the academy is like, they're
826
01:03:37.197 --> 01:03:37.757
front and center.
827
01:03:37.777 --> 01:03:39.338
We're in the background trying to help their coaches.
828
01:03:39.918 --> 01:03:41.738
But we work with multiple different disciplines.
829
01:03:41.958 --> 01:03:44.079
Right now, the Academy page is getting launched up.
830
01:03:45.679 --> 01:03:46.439
But anyone can reach out.
831
01:03:47.419 --> 01:03:50.240
If you're a private sector coach, whatever we can do to help.
832
01:03:50.900 --> 01:03:55.261
And I know we've got something in the works, too, for the high school strength and conditioning coach, too.
833
01:03:56.001 --> 01:03:58.701
So that should be coming out in January.
834
01:03:59.941 --> 01:04:00.361
Awesome.
835
01:04:00.441 --> 01:04:01.142
All right, Tom.
836
01:04:01.182 --> 01:04:02.602
Well, thank you for jumping on today.
837
01:04:03.653 --> 01:04:06.997
You got anything you want to finish off saying to the listeners?
838
01:04:08.118 --> 01:04:10.221
No, thank you for listening to Ramble on this long.
839
01:04:10.801 --> 01:04:12.323
And thanks for having me on, Mac.
840
01:04:13.164 --> 01:04:14.145
All right, no problem.
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All right, for everyone that's listening or watching, make sure you guys stay tuned and stay strong.
