Folklore Friday | Vampire Legends & Dark Folklore for Halloween

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Hello, my spookies.
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It's your old buddy Enrique Couto here, and I have
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a special guest and I would say a brand new
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friend of the show. I think you guys are going
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to get a real kick out of all the insights
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she's bringing. We'll call this a Folklore Friday kind of
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deal because we're going to be talking about folklore and
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especially folklore that has kind of a deeper dive, something
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you might not find just by Googling or what have you.
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So I'm joined by D.L. Wainwright.
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She is the author of the Hollow Sun series with
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a very strong background in folklore and religions, having studied them.
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What would you say it's safe to say most of
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your life? Oh, well, yes.
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And my degree is in world religions and religious studies.
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Yep.
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Yes.
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And it's fascinating because the religion versus folklore thing. I mean,
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it's kind of like religion versus cult. It's based on
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how widespread is it, how much real estate is involved,
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as to when something becomes a religion versus stays folklore,
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for instance.
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That's an interesting way of putting it, how much real
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estate it has. I mean, because a lot of folklore is, yeah,
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very local. And a lot of folklore, things that we
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call folklore now, were part of a religion previously. And
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they might have been like, Kind of sort of suppressed
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or changed and stuff as like Christianity spread and stuff.
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And so then these things that used to be the
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local deities and things now just become sort of lesser
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entities and just part of a local superstition.
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Yeah. Cause I always like to, I like to think,
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I like to have fun, you know?
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So I like to think as a treat to myself,
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like what if, what if like, let's use one that
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everybody knows to some extent, like what if Krampus, what
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if the people who first started believing in Krampus, like
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for fun or for, you know, celebration purposes, what if
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there was a famine and for some reason, the people
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who were really into celebrating Krampuschnacht ended up surviving the
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famine and And then it became like, no, we celebrate
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Krampusnacht like we do. And then you get like 500
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years and now it's like a religion. Because, you know,
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it just happenstance pushed it to be like, no, no,
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this is why we all lived. We keep doing it.
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We keep doing it. Like, that's kind of how a
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lot of faiths seem to happen.
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But honestly, you actually got Krampus backwards because Krampus probably
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was a local nature deity.
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Oh, yeah.
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So it was probably celebrated as some type of actual
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god-like kind of figure, but not like the actual god. Yeah.
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And stuff.
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And then, you know, a lot of times people don't
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want to give up their cool traditions whenever the Christianity
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comes in and tries to erase everything. And so Christians
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have to make some Sort of trade-offs. Some would be like, okay, fine,
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you can keep your Krampus, but we've got to make
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it somehow Christian.
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Well, and Krampus and a lot of those are really,
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it's extra fascinating because they're always from like, when they're
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from like the Alps and stuff, really hard places to
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live too. Where the stories are basically like, if you
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don't do your chores and you don't gather up the food,
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you die. He comes and kills you. Because it's like
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a child understands much better. A guy comes and kills you.
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Then you will slowly starve. We will starve.
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We will freeze. A kid's like, duh. But then you're like, monster,
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eat shit. They're like, ah. You know, it's a fascinating element.
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That's actually touching on a very common thing in folklore.
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A lot of like the spooky things in the folklores
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are sort of cautionary tales and stuff like that's why.
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Pretty much every single culture around the world has some
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type of creepy water monster that will drown you and
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kill you if you go swimming in it as a
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child and stuff. Because it's to keep kids from going
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unsupervised around water.
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Because it's like, no, don't go there.
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Because there's going to be this, that, or the other
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that's going to just pull you down under and stuff.
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Or don't wander out in the woods because this or
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that and stuff will be there. So it's just things
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to scare kids into not doing things that will get
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them killed.
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You're talking to a kid who grew up and his
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boogeyman was La Llorona. Like that was my boogeyman. So no,
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and that was, we lived in a, in a tenement building.
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Like we lived in a very unsafe area and I was, my,
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my stepdad told that story so well.
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Oh.
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With so many perfectly evil lies.
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For a child, you know, to hear the version he
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told La Llorona had two boys. Cause I was a
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little boy. And I was the only boy, little boy
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in the house. You know, he kept telling me about
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the stream behind our apartment building. Years later, I found
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out there was not even a stream there. There was
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not even a stream.
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He just made it up.
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Yeah. Yeah. To scare me more, you know?
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And, and, and then this whole element of like, you know, you'll, you'll,
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if you leave your bedroom and you walk around at night, you'll,
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you'll hear, you'll hear beautiful singing and you'll, you'll be
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so drawn to it.
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You'll want to know. who's singing so beautifully? What is
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the tune? And then you'll leave and you'll go to
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the stream and that's when you'll see a lady there.
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And by the time you see her face, it's too late.
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You realize she's weeping. She's weeping, Ricky. And then she
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gets you too. And I'm just laying in bed like,
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oh my God. So I'm like five years old sitting
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in bed going, do I just pee in here? Do
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I just pee the bed? Because I don't want to die.
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I don't want this monster to get me. I think
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you did it too well. Yeah, that's too well.
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And I think you just kind of made me realize,
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I think my older siblings created a folklore monster for me.
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They said if I didn't brush my teeth, the cavity
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man would crawl in through my window in the middle
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of the night and drill holes in my teeth, and
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that haunted me. my entire childhood scary that yeah like
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you should picture of like this yeah.
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You should write a creepy pasta like as soon as
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we're as soon as we're done you should write that
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creepy pasta before somebody else does it because that is
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a the cavity man well first of all that sounds
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extra scary when you're an adult too you're like what
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what what That has a lot of meanings. But the
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idea like he drills your teeth while you're asleep is
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frigging mortifying.
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It was mostly like the crawling through my window part
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that I think always like creeped me out and stuff.
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Because we, yeah, even though we lived in Florida, we
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didn't have air conditioning.
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So I always had my windows open.
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Of course.
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So that would make it even easier for him just
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to crawl in.
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Of course, yeah.
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He's able to drill holes in my teeth.
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Drill those teeth.
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Well and that's that's an interesting thing like as as
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somebody who's looked into folklore a lot like deeply do
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you find it wild how the internet is so into
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lore like it's their favorite thing even if it's you
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know all made.
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Up yeah well no i actually i i do find
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that fascinating because it just shows that uh humans are
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always still coming up with their own folklore like I'm
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fascinated by things like Slender Man and stuff. We know
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we can trace back to where it was invented, like
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on that something awful thread and stuff. And you can
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see the inception of this, this creation of this concept,
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but it has just grown and evolved and become its
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own thing. And like, you know, back rooms and all
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those other things, like we just keep coming up with
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new folklore that becomes part of our culture and stuff.
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And I just, I, I, Just think that's fascinating and
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a really cool glimpse into like human nature.
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It's like we just we just crave that.
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And I love that we're at a point where we
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don't even mind knowing it's fiction.
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It's just that we love this idea because it was
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kind of missing. you know, this, this idea that, you know,
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here's this thing and here are the rules and here's why. And,
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and all these things, cause that was the kind of
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stuff you would, you know, whisper about. Like when I
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was a kid, I feel like our folklore were kind
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of the, the most urban legend, the.
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Urban legends, you know, can thing on the door.
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Or even, or even the more like devious ones, like, um,
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you know, like, uh, Was it the flashier high beams,
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you know, because there's a gang initiation?
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I remember that. There were so many. So many of them.
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And some of them would kind of like the vanishing hitchhiker.
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That one, you could trace it back super far. There's
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so many interesting stories about it. As long as there
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has been a way to hitch a ride, there have
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been people who hitch a ride and vanish.
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But then you look at gang initiation, and that's a
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very clear fear of urban change and playing on those fears.
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Because it was always like your aunt or somebody would
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just share that because they thought they were protecting you.
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So you have all these elements of folklore kind of
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bleeding into modern life where we kind of feel, especially
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I feel like back then, we kind of felt like
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we were above it. But then all of a sudden,
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you know, the chain letters would circulate no problemo.
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Oh my goodness.
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Yeah. And I had like, I had a coworker once
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who got like a chain letter email thing and was like,
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should I, should I send it? Because this says that
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the person who didn't before her like died.
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And I'm like, that's fake. It's all me. But she
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was so.
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Concerned and stuff because yeah, it gets, it taps into,
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I think our like, our brains and like that little
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imagination thing. But what if it's real? Like, I know
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it's probably not, but what if?
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Like, and yeah.
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And what if is, is everything, especially because what you're
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talking about at the end of the day, imagination and
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imagination is all what if all the time. This is
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why I've, you know, put myself through seven years of
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weekly spooky, uh, telling scary stories, but then sharing, you know,
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true crime, but like in folklore, because when I first
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launched the show, we had what I call the flagship,
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which was the Wednesday Weekly Spooky, which is a narrated
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short story. Oh, cool.
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And that was the beginning. That was the impetus for
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the first hundred weeks. That was all we did.
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And as the show started to expand, I started doing
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what I called Terrifying and True, which is Mondays, which
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it was true crime and folklore, things like that. Things
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that people have believed was true or still believe is true.
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You know, that was kind of the rule of it.
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And the reason I made it folklore and true crime
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is I am a sweet summer child, and I get
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really depressed if all I talk about is true crime.
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I am not an adorable little white lady who can
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handle all that murder. I am a grown 40-year-old man
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with muscles, and it makes me sad, and I don't
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like only talking about that.
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No, I'm with you. So my day job is in logistics,
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and I will sit there and I'll be listening to
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documentary things. And if I'm listening to too many of
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the true crime ones back to back, I'm just like,
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why are people so mean?
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I need.
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To listen to something happier now. And my other co-workers
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are like, why are you such a little kid about it?
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I'm like, because it's.
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Yeah yeah it's it but i but and i get
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the entertainment value obviously because i still do them and
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uh the impetus really is you know to to bring
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interesting things to light but the folklore part would always
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kind of like like i was mentioning like grab the
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imagination for me and make me excited to talk about
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you know um la mancha negra i don't know if
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you know about la mancha negra the the uh black
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goop that was coming out of the ground in South
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America and nobody could figure out what it was. It's, it's, it's,
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they're all kinds of like, it's kind of folklore, kind
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of more unsolved mysteries. Cause it is like only from
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like the fifties, sixties, but like stuff like that, where
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people are talking about like, what the hell was that?
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I love those little bits. So that was what I
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started chasing, you know, as we expanded the show. And
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then when the show would expand a little bit more,
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with uh like one-offs or whatever I realized like most
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of what I wanted to do was either talk about
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you know scary movies because my my day job is
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in film yes so I want to talk about scary
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movies because I've always loved scary movies I wanted to
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talk about folklore and why things freak me out or
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what have you because one of my favorite things was
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like those long dark car rides.
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When you were young oh yeah and and it would.
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Be like dude did you hear about like There was
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a janitor at our school and he died. He died
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in the volleyball court, man. He died there. And they
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left him for like a week or something. My cousin
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told me all about it. His ex-girlfriend, she saw it.
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You know, like that guy, it's like.
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Yeah, it's always a friend of a friend who like
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really there.
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But like, I, I found those things even, even when
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I was young, I found them fun. Even if I
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didn't believe in them, I was like, I'm still like,
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oh man, but like that creeped me out.
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That like made my hairs raise. And that's the vibe
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I chase my whole life. Yeah.
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So, and, and my favorite thing about Halloween season, cause
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this is coming out during our busiest season, spooky season,
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of course, um, One of my favorite things about Halloween
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was it felt like everybody, I think this is what
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a lot of people feel like that love Halloween and
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love the scarier, spookier stuff.
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It feels like everybody else got the memo.
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To join you in like being a little bit more
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willing to be spooked out and have the macabre be around.
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Yes, because I watch horror movies pretty much almost daily.
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And I grew up on reading horror books. I write
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spooky books. And I'm pretty gothy in my daily life.
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So I'm like, Halloween is with me all year round.
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I keep the Halloween spirit alive and stuff.
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Oh, yeah.
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That's why, yeah, October is my favorite month because it's like, hey,
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now everybody else gets to join me and we all
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get to be spooky.
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When I was a kid, I was born in September.
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And when I was a kid, I used to always
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feel like it was awesome because I had my birthday.
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And then it was but that was like the prelude
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to October. I always felt poetic to me.
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I was like, oh, man.
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So now I celebrate my birthday. And now next up
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is Halloween. Like, let's go. Let's go. Let's go.
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Yeah, same.
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My birthday's in October, so I always had Halloween birthday
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parties and stuff.
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Oh, that's so good. See, that would be too perfect.
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I can't have that. But I find solace in the
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idea that I was likely conceived at Christmastime because that
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just warms my heart. Because I'm a holiday guy in general, too.
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I think that any opportunity to celebrate, you should just
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grab it because you don't know.
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You know, what tomorrow will bring.
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You don't know when that'll be. I, you know, not
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even to be super cryptic, like not even your last,
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you know, Christmas or Halloween or whatever, but somebody else's
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that you always saw as being there, a friend, a
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family member, whatever you don't know. So, you know, never,
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never say, the two things I say is like celebrate
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every chance you get every opportunity, you know, even if you're,
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I mean, don't celebrate Christmas if you don't like it,
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but like, if you think the lights are cool and
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the tree is cool, but you're not religious, well, don't
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be religious. Nobody's going to make you just be like,
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I like the tree. I like the gifts. I like
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the candy. Like nobody's, you know, the, they're not going
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to come in and start an inquisition in your house.
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You'll be all right. You know, make it yours. Cause
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you're allowed.
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Right.
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You know, same, same thing. Like, uh, I go, I
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go eight, a friend of mine, uh, you know, has
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a Passover dinner. I go ape over the Seder. I
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prep for it. I cook things. I perform one of
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the roles for them because everybody else, like when they
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pass the little readings around, they get nervous, but I
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read out loud for a living.
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So I have no problem.
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So I'll sit there and, you know, announce the story
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of Passover and, and all this stuff.
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I love it.
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And I'm, you know, as far as I know, not Jewish,
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but it's a great excuse to celebrate with great people
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and have a great time.
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None of them care.
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I'm not Jewish, but, I mean, about half the people
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aren't that are that are at the dinner. So it's
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but those those moments to celebrate are great. And the
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other one that I always like harp on is, you know,
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never look at a good thing happening and say, but
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is this really good enough to really celebrate? Because if
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you if you judge that way, you'll wake up one
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day and be like, did I? I never celebrated anything,
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did I?
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Crap.
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So I, you know, if I get good news and
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it hasn't even come to fruition yet, I'll celebrate at
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least a little.
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Yeah.
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You know, because that moment is great. Even if later
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on it's like, ah, it didn't work out. It is
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what it is, you know, because like you, life is
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full of that. Life is full of like almosts and
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near misses and some of them are good, some of
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them are bad. And that's why, but this actually does
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relate to what we're talking about because, you know, right?
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I am the king of digressions, but that's why I
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love folklore because folklore kind of makes things special. It
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makes them important. It can make the mundane important. Last
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year at Christmastime, we went ape on Black Peter and
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Frau Perchta and all these things. Things that were less
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as known as Krampus, but just as, not even just as,
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infinitely worse than Krampus, honestly.
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I mean, way worse than Krampus.
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We would look at those and that was when it
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first really hit me.
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I was like, oh, wow.
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No, this is all about like, if you don't do
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your chores, you'll die, which was true. It's just that
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it wasn't a witch lady that would do it to you.
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It was, you know, it was starvation or the cold or,
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you know, because I mean, they were living lives where
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it was like, if we don't get all the knitting
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done today, there's no sweater and then somebody dies. And
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it's very easy. We live, even in the worst of it,
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we live really comfortably.
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Yes.
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We're very, very fortunate.
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And so it's hard to imagine, like, no, no, this
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story helped keep people motivated. And in a weird way,
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kind of made survival fun. It made it kind of
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a game. It wasn't, you know, do this because look
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at my ribs. Like, this is because you didn't do
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your chores. No, it became, oh, but like.
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We'll have a little cake to celebrate that she didn't
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come and do anything because we all worked so hard together.
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That's kind of beautiful.
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And that's the human experience, you know, is finding this odd,
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beautiful motivation in very painful reality.
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That's a very beautiful way to put it.
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Well, thank you.
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Yeah.
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We do have a topic beyond just general folklore, but
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I also, I also, you know, it's weird with folklore.
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You either find somebody who's like super duper into it
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and you can nerd out or you'll like find it
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the most, like at the grocery store, you'll realize somebody
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you're making friendly chit chat with, like, you know, knows
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a million stories because they grew up in like a
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town where they just did that.
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And you're like, Oh my gosh, you're like just some
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random dude.
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I would never guess is going to be able to
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tell me all about the butter street monster in Germantown.
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Ohio, you know?
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Butter street monster let.
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Me tell you something okay i did i had never
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heard of the butter street monster but this is a
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real thing in my area so dayton ohio is very
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much a city of suburbs of big suburbs we have
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about we have about 12 really large suburbs all around
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us and toward the south you get like germantown and
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farmersville which are like a bit more rural but they're
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still like towns with thing you know places you can
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go and stuff like that my mother grew up in
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farmersville after her family left kentucky so she was always
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in germantown to like go to the movies or get
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your hair did you know because that was where they
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had a Germantown's adorable, by the way. Like, if you
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ever want to, like, see this area, Germantown, they have
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an adorable theater owned by a family that shows, like,
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fun movies and stuff.
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They have great restaurants. And there's an area where the
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streets are all named after baking ingredients.
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What?
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Oh, that's why it's a butter street. Exactly. Oh, okay.
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So, in the 70s, I believe, apparently somebody thought they saw, like,
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a dog man near Butter Street. And it spread like wildfire.
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And the reason I found out about it is I
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started doing TikTok reels about folklore around the Dayton area.
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And I had no idea that TikTok was becoming localized
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at that time. So it's kind of taken off, which
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I wasn't really, I was just doing what I do.
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I just, you know, I was like, Hey, I'd already
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do this. So let's do reels as well. Cause I
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own the cameras. I own the microphones. I already have
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all the research done. So yeah, I mentioned butter street
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monster once and it blew up. I mean, everybody was
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talking about it and everybody had different memories of how
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the butter street monster, what it was. Some people thought,
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remember it as a Bigfoot. Some remember it as a werewolf.
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Some remembered it as a giant snake. Like a few
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different people said that they were told it was a
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giant snake growing up.
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Yeah.
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So that's, that is horrible.
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Fascinating. And, and definitely like reminds me of like, like
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folklore studies and stuff like that and how even in
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a small region.
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There can be so many.
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Variations, um, uh, Like I told you earlier, we might
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talk about the Virkuluk. The Virkuluk is one of my
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favorite Romanian folklore creatures, but it has, depending on who
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you ask, it is either a dragon, a group of dogs,
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a wolf thing with multiple mouths. Like, it is different
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depending on who you ask. And it causes eclipses by
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eating the sun and moon. And why it does that
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also varies depending on who you ask. Whether it's, like,
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you know, because it wants to bring darkness to the
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world or because it wants to make mankind face the
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darkness and the sin in their own hearts. And again,
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all of this in, like, a relatively small region has
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all these variations and stuff. So that your Butter Street
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Monster is like a modern day version of that kind
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of concept of just like how wildly different each person's
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concept of it is.
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And how much it travels too. Yeah.
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Because my mother, when I told her, I was like,
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do you ever hear about the Butter Street Monster? Because
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you grew up right by that area. And my mom
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was like, no. And she's like, but I did almost
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buy a house on Butter Street in 84, like right
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before I was born.
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Yeah.
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And I was like, mom, you really screwed up. I
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00:22:57.259 --> 00:23:02.259
could have had a Bigfoot buddy. And you just selfishly decided.
490
00:23:02.339 --> 00:23:07.509
They're all wins. You know, they're all wins. But I
491
00:23:07.529 --> 00:23:09.069
was like, wow. So mom was right there and never
492
00:23:09.109 --> 00:23:11.309
heard that legend. And there's a newspaper clipping. Like I
493
00:23:11.349 --> 00:23:13.369
found a newspaper clipping about a couple who thought they
494
00:23:13.410 --> 00:23:13.970
saw like.
495
00:23:13.970 --> 00:23:16.250
What looked like a werewolf off of the side of
496
00:23:16.289 --> 00:23:18.819
the road. Now, the clipping was a little tongue in cheek.
497
00:23:18.859 --> 00:23:21.039
It was October. It was toward the end of October.
498
00:23:21.079 --> 00:23:22.680
I feel like that's why they went with it. And
499
00:23:22.700 --> 00:23:27.250
they had a little illustration that was really very Lon Chaney. Um,
500
00:23:28.269 --> 00:23:30.950
but that's just makes it even better. But then, then
501
00:23:30.970 --> 00:23:32.990
the other fascinating thing is then you have like the
502
00:23:33.049 --> 00:23:35.910
immense deluge of people who would say like, I've lived
503
00:23:35.930 --> 00:23:37.450
there my whole life, never heard anything about it. Like
504
00:23:37.509 --> 00:23:39.509
what bull crap or whatever. And it's like, and I
505
00:23:39.529 --> 00:23:42.009
always sound like, dude, it's folklore. Take your blood pressure medicine,
506
00:23:42.029 --> 00:23:44.599
like calm down. Like, like I literally never said a
507
00:23:44.670 --> 00:23:47.440
monster showed up. I said, people have been saying a
508
00:23:47.500 --> 00:23:50.740
monster showed up on the street for 40 years. I
509
00:23:50.799 --> 00:23:54.069
never said a monster showed up 40 years ago. you know,
510
00:23:54.109 --> 00:23:57.720
there's a humongous difference. Um, and you'd think they'd be
511
00:23:57.740 --> 00:23:59.579
able to catch it. I mean, their, their, their attention
512
00:23:59.599 --> 00:24:01.500
spans are short, but there's captions, you know, they're reading
513
00:24:01.539 --> 00:24:03.079
it as I'm saying it, you know, you think they'd,
514
00:24:03.400 --> 00:24:05.000
they'd catch it where it's like, people are saying this
515
00:24:05.059 --> 00:24:08.460
and this, but like, I've had people give me leads
516
00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:13.089
on folklore around here that I don't find any record of,
517
00:24:14.049 --> 00:24:17.569
you know, from any other compilation of folklore or any, whatever.
518
00:24:17.890 --> 00:24:22.019
I recently started, uh, I added newspapers.com to my like, um,
519
00:24:22.509 --> 00:24:25.089
you know, toolkit. And now I'm finding a lot of
520
00:24:25.170 --> 00:24:27.269
extra stuff, you know, like really interesting stuff that just
521
00:24:27.349 --> 00:24:30.710
never ended up on the internet, you know, other than through,
522
00:24:30.750 --> 00:24:33.890
you know, behind a paywall or whatever. And, uh, it's been,
523
00:24:33.970 --> 00:24:36.160
it's been really fascinating, but yeah, I love when people
524
00:24:36.180 --> 00:24:36.920
like take it personally.
525
00:24:36.940 --> 00:24:38.420
I'm like, I grew up on that street. I never heard.
526
00:24:38.440 --> 00:24:40.700
It's like, maybe you didn't have cool friends that scared
527
00:24:40.740 --> 00:24:43.240
each other on, you know, at sleepovers, dude, I'm sorry. Like,
528
00:24:43.539 --> 00:24:45.400
I think you could probably calculate by like, how many
529
00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:48.039
s'mores did you eat as a kid will equal to
530
00:24:48.079 --> 00:24:51.509
how often, how many good stories you heard, you know? Um,
531
00:24:51.960 --> 00:24:54.170
but it's, but that's the other thing that really has,
532
00:24:54.430 --> 00:24:56.430
has been fascinating is I feel like I'm getting kind
533
00:24:56.450 --> 00:24:59.250
of a front row seat to folklore. And now because
534
00:24:59.309 --> 00:25:01.910
it's kind of taken off, there's one other lady around here, uh,
535
00:25:02.509 --> 00:25:03.410
Sarah Koshal.
536
00:25:03.450 --> 00:25:04.289
I think I'm saying her name, right?
537
00:25:04.309 --> 00:25:06.750
I feel as Enrique Kuto, I should be able to say,
538
00:25:06.769 --> 00:25:09.930
I should try to say names, right. But, uh, she's super,
539
00:25:10.069 --> 00:25:12.130
a super cool lady. And she's been writing these like
540
00:25:12.170 --> 00:25:15.410
haunted Dayton and like Dayton crime and Dayton history books.
541
00:25:16.089 --> 00:25:18.250
And they're really good. I bought all of them. I
542
00:25:18.289 --> 00:25:18.569
love them.
543
00:25:19.359 --> 00:25:21.000
And a lot of times if I can't find any
544
00:25:21.059 --> 00:25:23.900
other reference, it'll be because she wrote about it. Like
545
00:25:23.920 --> 00:25:26.069
that's the only way I could, you know, find research
546
00:25:26.150 --> 00:25:27.970
on it. But other than her, I feel like I've
547
00:25:28.009 --> 00:25:30.990
become this odd keeper of the Dayton folklore because I
548
00:25:31.009 --> 00:25:33.609
just keep, you know, because people will comment and tell
549
00:25:33.630 --> 00:25:35.529
me their stories and then I'll try to compile it
550
00:25:35.589 --> 00:25:37.650
and then I'll do a video where I'm like, I've
551
00:25:37.690 --> 00:25:40.809
been told by some viewers that there's a story about
552
00:25:40.849 --> 00:25:42.950
this or that or this or that. And then it
553
00:25:42.990 --> 00:25:45.890
either gets corroborated or shot down. If it gets corroborated,
554
00:25:46.190 --> 00:25:48.250
you just gotta keep digging. You gotta find out like,
555
00:25:48.529 --> 00:25:50.849
well then what are the other versions? Like, and some
556
00:25:50.890 --> 00:25:53.130
of them have really great, like somebody will say like,
557
00:25:53.269 --> 00:25:56.609
I remember like there was a swamp creature in this area,
558
00:25:56.650 --> 00:25:58.299
but I don't remember anything else, but it was like,
559
00:25:58.339 --> 00:26:00.450
it lived in the swamp and it was, it was
560
00:26:00.490 --> 00:26:02.819
like had tentacles or something like, you know, whatever. And
561
00:26:02.839 --> 00:26:05.039
I'll literally say like a viewer gave me a really
562
00:26:05.119 --> 00:26:07.740
bizarre one. You know, it's this creature from a swamp
563
00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:09.799
in this area. And I'm like, has anybody ever heard
564
00:26:09.819 --> 00:26:12.420
a story like that? And sometimes, you know, 50 people
565
00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:13.980
will comment and be like, Oh my God, that was
566
00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:17.049
like the scariest story ever growing up. And, And, but like,
567
00:26:17.150 --> 00:26:19.910
it literally didn't exist because I already cross-checked the internet
568
00:26:19.950 --> 00:26:22.890
first before I would ever crowdsource it. I'd be like,
569
00:26:22.950 --> 00:26:27.869
go swamp monster near Dayton, Ohio, tentacles, zero results.
570
00:26:28.289 --> 00:26:28.509
Yeah.
571
00:26:29.029 --> 00:26:31.750
So it's, it's been like this fascinating thing because the
572
00:26:31.789 --> 00:26:34.589
funniest part was this one lady got, really angry with
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00:26:34.630 --> 00:26:36.710
me because she was like you're they get mad about
574
00:26:36.750 --> 00:26:40.329
geography they'll be like that's not union that's fairborn ohio
575
00:26:40.369 --> 00:26:43.069
that's not whatever i'm like i dude they the person
576
00:26:43.250 --> 00:26:47.880
who knows about it said union i they could be
577
00:26:47.920 --> 00:26:49.859
wrong or it could be that it's kind of murky
578
00:26:49.980 --> 00:26:51.859
and then people would come and be like that's literally
579
00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:54.480
union school township like why like you could call it
580
00:26:54.519 --> 00:26:56.039
fairborn but like the kids go to you know so
581
00:26:56.079 --> 00:27:00.210
everybody's fighting about like basic geography. But this one lady
582
00:27:00.250 --> 00:27:01.990
got super mad. She was like, you need to really
583
00:27:02.029 --> 00:27:04.369
do your research. And I'm like, I, but I search
584
00:27:04.509 --> 00:27:07.099
everything before I do it. And there's no real way
585
00:27:07.140 --> 00:27:09.380
to say like, is this random road that might have
586
00:27:09.420 --> 00:27:12.279
a bridge that's haunted? in this township or that, like,
587
00:27:12.299 --> 00:27:13.660
what am I, what do you want me to get
588
00:27:13.700 --> 00:27:16.140
a surveyor and go out because of like a bridge
589
00:27:16.180 --> 00:27:18.500
that like, or a bridge that isn't even there anymore.
590
00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:21.240
Like we're talking about like bridges that got torn down.
591
00:27:21.329 --> 00:27:21.940
Like, yeah.
592
00:27:22.289 --> 00:27:24.789
So finally I told her like, dude, I use, you know,
593
00:27:24.829 --> 00:27:27.430
basic internet searches and I crowdsource. And she was like,
594
00:27:27.710 --> 00:27:31.829
you crowdsource that stuff. That's really reckless. And I was like, that's,
595
00:27:32.650 --> 00:27:35.150
that's what folklore is. It's crowdsourced.
596
00:27:38.509 --> 00:27:39.109
Oh my God.
597
00:27:40.359 --> 00:27:43.500
Like, you know, and I get I get being on
598
00:27:43.519 --> 00:27:45.960
your heckles a little bit because like people are lying
599
00:27:46.029 --> 00:27:48.549
on the Internet a lot to try and like do whatever.
600
00:27:48.609 --> 00:27:51.670
But I don't have a tip jar. I'm not trying
601
00:27:51.690 --> 00:27:53.250
to sell a tea, although I should make a I
602
00:27:53.289 --> 00:27:54.609
want I want to make an I believe in the
603
00:27:54.630 --> 00:27:58.910
Butter Street Monster T-shirt because like and I love German.
604
00:27:58.950 --> 00:28:01.690
I like legitimately love Germantown. I do movie screenings there
605
00:28:01.730 --> 00:28:04.069
and stuff. I've always loved that little town. So I
606
00:28:04.069 --> 00:28:05.990
was like, I'm going to eventually lean in on the
607
00:28:06.009 --> 00:28:08.279
Butter Street Monster. But now I'm like at this point,
608
00:28:08.299 --> 00:28:09.960
I'm like, man, after a year of doing those reels,
609
00:28:10.019 --> 00:28:11.180
I think I'm going to I don't know if I'll
610
00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:14.339
compile a book or if I'll, you know, whatever. But
611
00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:16.460
I'm going to do something for all these Dayton area
612
00:28:16.500 --> 00:28:18.960
legends that some of them are like in Haunted Ohio,
613
00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:21.880
which I'm sure you've at least scoped those a little
614
00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:24.039
bit because they're fascinating companions.
615
00:28:24.259 --> 00:28:27.220
I need to know because I'm not local to Ohio.
616
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:30.740
So I'm still learning about the things here. Like, isn't
617
00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:33.920
there a there's an abandoned town that's like hell?
618
00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:35.400
Helltown.
619
00:28:35.680 --> 00:28:36.140
Helltown.
620
00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:36.599
Yeah.
621
00:28:36.700 --> 00:28:38.200
I want to like go there and stuff.
622
00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:39.400
There's so much.
623
00:28:39.799 --> 00:28:40.240
Oh, yeah.
624
00:28:43.380 --> 00:28:47.359
Ohio is a very weird state. We are. Well, for
625
00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:50.180
lots of reasons. But there's something in the water here.
626
00:28:50.670 --> 00:28:54.329
But for me, at least. But Ohio is the most
627
00:28:55.509 --> 00:28:58.150
we have the most evenly distributed population of any state
628
00:28:58.170 --> 00:28:58.589
in America.
629
00:28:59.329 --> 00:28:59.890
Oh, wow.
630
00:29:00.170 --> 00:29:01.710
Well, that isn't, you know, extremely small.
631
00:29:02.410 --> 00:29:02.589
Yeah.
632
00:29:02.670 --> 00:29:06.049
We have the most evenly distributed population. So and every
633
00:29:06.130 --> 00:29:09.519
single population hub in Ohio was established for a totally
634
00:29:09.559 --> 00:29:12.339
different reason. So you have Cleveland because of the Great Lake.
635
00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:15.400
You have Columbus because of the railroad. You have Cincinnati
636
00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:20.049
Dayton area because of the rivers. So they're all entirely separate.
637
00:29:20.170 --> 00:29:22.609
And then like Toledo was related to the railroad and
638
00:29:22.630 --> 00:29:24.990
the Great Lake. And then so you have these little
639
00:29:25.049 --> 00:29:27.970
enclaves as well. But it was all because of different reasons.
640
00:29:28.089 --> 00:29:31.390
So Ohio to this day is one of the only
641
00:29:31.450 --> 00:29:34.529
states in America where if somebody leaves, decides to move
642
00:29:34.549 --> 00:29:37.509
for different opportunities, they have a higher chance of staying
643
00:29:37.609 --> 00:29:39.069
in their state than.
644
00:29:38.970 --> 00:29:39.970
Leaving it because.
645
00:29:40.250 --> 00:29:42.250
they'll be like, I'm in Cincinnati and I like, I've
646
00:29:42.269 --> 00:29:42.670
got nothing.
647
00:29:42.710 --> 00:29:44.670
They'll go to Columbus or I'm in Columbus. I got nothing.
648
00:29:44.690 --> 00:29:47.170
They'll go to Cleveland or even I'm in Cleveland. I
649
00:29:47.210 --> 00:29:47.470
got nothing.
650
00:29:47.490 --> 00:29:49.559
I'll go to Akron, like, you know, to try and
651
00:29:49.619 --> 00:29:53.420
find opportunities as opposed to like in, you know, like Indiana,
652
00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:54.980
if you're in Indianapolis, you're like, I got to go
653
00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:57.769
to Chicago or Columbus or, you know, Or if you're
654
00:29:57.789 --> 00:29:59.970
in Pittsburgh, you're like, I'm going to try Philadelphia or
655
00:30:00.069 --> 00:30:03.759
maybe I'll try Cleveland. You know, like there's just we
656
00:30:04.279 --> 00:30:06.220
have like a lot more options and we're a lot
657
00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:09.720
more spread out. But we have, you know, city centers
658
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:13.240
right next to planes, right next to like we've become huge.
659
00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:15.109
I mean, you work in logistics. We've become huge on
660
00:30:15.140 --> 00:30:18.950
logistics in Ohio because of our placement. You know, because
661
00:30:18.970 --> 00:30:21.750
then the highways also, you know, cut right through Columbus.
662
00:30:22.650 --> 00:30:24.930
So right through Columbus is a major distribution hub.
663
00:30:25.710 --> 00:30:27.130
And it makes sense.
664
00:30:27.470 --> 00:30:30.789
But I feel like that's why we distribute spooky, weird
665
00:30:30.849 --> 00:30:34.630
stuff on top of, you know, your toothpaste that you
666
00:30:34.670 --> 00:30:40.569
need next day. That's, you know, the Ohio way. Things
667
00:30:40.650 --> 00:30:44.009
move quickly and they bounce between cities. And the Haunted
668
00:30:44.069 --> 00:30:49.250
Ohio books are actually written by Chris Woodyard and very,
669
00:30:49.450 --> 00:30:53.779
very mysterious person. doesn't do interviews but the craziest part
670
00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:55.779
is I think there's like 11 or 12 of them
671
00:30:55.900 --> 00:30:58.700
and they're great you definitely and you can grab them
672
00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:00.880
secondhand they've been published for years you can get tons
673
00:31:00.900 --> 00:31:04.000
of them secondhand uh for cheap but the craziest part
674
00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:06.000
for me was I've been reading those books forever and
675
00:31:06.019 --> 00:31:07.240
I was like I should try and get a hold
676
00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:09.500
of of Chris Woodyard so I opened up one of
677
00:31:09.539 --> 00:31:11.000
my I have like a dozen of them I opened
678
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:12.559
one of them up and I look at for like
679
00:31:12.660 --> 00:31:15.900
info on the publishing self-published all of them or nearly
680
00:31:15.980 --> 00:31:18.619
all of them in the 90s when it was really
681
00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:19.750
hard Yeah.
682
00:31:20.049 --> 00:31:20.450
Oh my goodness.
683
00:31:20.470 --> 00:31:23.519
I find the address of the publisher, Beaver Creek, Ohio.
684
00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:25.519
It's like 15 minutes from me. So they were actually
685
00:31:25.579 --> 00:31:28.400
coming from this area too. Not even of all the
686
00:31:28.420 --> 00:31:31.380
places I would have guessed Cleveland or Columbus or Cincinnati
687
00:31:31.400 --> 00:31:37.240
would not have guessed, you know, suburban Dayton, Ohio. So it, uh, Yeah,
688
00:31:37.339 --> 00:31:40.279
it just always breaks my brain. Like all the folklore
689
00:31:40.299 --> 00:31:42.539
that gets out there and like the weird books are great.
690
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:45.569
You know, Weird New Jersey, Weird Pennsylvania. A buddy of
691
00:31:45.589 --> 00:31:48.069
mine actually wrote, I think he wrote Weird Pennsylvania or
692
00:31:48.369 --> 00:31:50.750
maybe it was Weird DC, but he wrote one of them. Like,
693
00:31:50.809 --> 00:31:55.210
you know, they're really fun compendiums of the strange, but
694
00:31:55.250 --> 00:31:58.279
then there's no shortage of it. Even like the show's name,
695
00:31:58.319 --> 00:32:05.480
Weekly Spooky. Spooky comes from Dutch settlers in America.
696
00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:06.480
The word spooky?
697
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:07.359
Yeah.
698
00:32:07.859 --> 00:32:09.079
What? Oh.
699
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:12.640
And the way you can really know that that's true
700
00:32:12.900 --> 00:32:18.119
is Spook's Hollow. There are Spook's Hollow in random places
701
00:32:18.140 --> 00:32:20.720
all over. When you go into places that were more Dutch,
702
00:32:21.819 --> 00:32:24.240
there are literally street signs that will say Spook's Hollow.
703
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:28.259
It's not a nickname. There's actually a Spook's Hollow or
704
00:32:28.299 --> 00:32:32.079
Spook Hollow. And I never knew that there were roads
705
00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:34.319
actually called Spook Hollow. I thought that was just nickname
706
00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:36.720
until I was driving through upstate New York one time.
707
00:32:37.059 --> 00:32:39.140
And my GPS, I just saw I was driving past
708
00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:39.720
Spook Hollow.
709
00:32:39.740 --> 00:32:41.930
I was like, wait, wait, what? I'm literally driving past
710
00:32:42.289 --> 00:32:42.890
Spook Hollow.
711
00:32:43.369 --> 00:32:46.509
So but even that, I mean, for whatever reason, that
712
00:32:46.569 --> 00:32:50.269
nomenclature went from a little thing that people in these
713
00:32:50.369 --> 00:32:55.880
very isolated communities said to each other to everything that
714
00:32:55.920 --> 00:32:59.140
has to do with Halloween, because spooky even connotates more
715
00:32:59.339 --> 00:33:04.980
of like a joyous, scary, a fun, scary, not, not
716
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:07.700
a regular, cause we'd say scary if we're scared, but
717
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:08.339
we say like, oh.
718
00:33:08.339 --> 00:33:08.960
That's spooky.
719
00:33:08.980 --> 00:33:11.200
That means like, oh, it's scary, but you want to
720
00:33:11.240 --> 00:33:12.819
go like, you want to go over there. You want
721
00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:14.579
to see that you want to buy that that's spooky.
722
00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:18.460
So it's, I love it. It's like my favorite part
723
00:33:18.509 --> 00:33:22.950
about being human is like the way stories. They, they
724
00:33:23.009 --> 00:33:25.309
transfer and the way, like what we're doing right now,
725
00:33:25.369 --> 00:33:28.170
the way we can sit down and with our words,
726
00:33:29.109 --> 00:33:31.890
um make make each other feel all these emotions about
727
00:33:31.910 --> 00:33:33.390
like i know about that too and yeah that and
728
00:33:33.430 --> 00:33:36.589
that and that i uh this is the last thing
729
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last part of the digression i was getting a loan
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for my car so i'm at the bank and i'm
731
00:33:41.509 --> 00:33:43.329
talking to my loan officer who i've known for forever
732
00:33:43.549 --> 00:33:45.089
uh like i've been at that bank for 20 some
733
00:33:45.109 --> 00:33:48.190
years and she has an apprentice in there like learning
734
00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:49.980
you know how to do stuff so we're talking whatever
735
00:33:50.019 --> 00:33:54.049
she brings up my podcast and my tiktok she's And, you.
736
00:33:54.009 --> 00:33:55.670
Know, she mentions that, oh, yeah, I heard you did
737
00:33:55.690 --> 00:33:57.450
a thing about the Butter Street Monster. That's so cool.
738
00:33:57.690 --> 00:33:58.769
And he's like, oh, yeah, I've never heard of it.
739
00:33:58.990 --> 00:34:00.069
And I was like, oh, yeah, I did that one.
740
00:34:00.109 --> 00:34:03.740
And I just did one on Morningstar Road and Betty Lane.
741
00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:06.299
And his eyebrows go. He's like, we talked about Betty
742
00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:09.679
Lane all the time when I was a kid. Oh, wow.
743
00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:13.440
Like, it's just, and that's the thing, like, that's the thrill, too, is, like,
744
00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:16.380
when you click and all of a sudden you're talking
745
00:34:16.420 --> 00:34:19.719
the same primal language about, like, that was scary, that's scary,
746
00:34:19.980 --> 00:34:22.539
but need no more. Like, tell me more, you know,
747
00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:25.340
caveman kind of thing. And Betty Lane's really interesting because
748
00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:27.920
there was literally a secret rocket lab at Betty Lane
749
00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:30.389
and it caused a million... Oh, we had a bunch
750
00:34:30.429 --> 00:34:32.550
of Manhattan Project side elements in Dayton.
751
00:34:32.989 --> 00:34:33.550
Oh, my God.
752
00:34:33.829 --> 00:34:37.949
Like refining like super radioactive stuff and doing secret experiments.
753
00:34:37.989 --> 00:34:39.889
Well, there you go. That's where the Butter Street Monster
754
00:34:39.929 --> 00:34:40.280
comes from.
755
00:34:40.340 --> 00:34:41.260
It's some type of mutant.
756
00:34:42.260 --> 00:34:42.460
Right?
757
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:45.199
It's got to be out there. People have got to...
758
00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:47.639
There's got to at least be fan fiction about that. So....
759
00:34:49.059 --> 00:34:53.309
Um, but so you decided to bring us a particularly
760
00:34:53.369 --> 00:34:56.949
delicious piece of, uh, of Romanian folklore, hopefully as delicious
761
00:34:57.010 --> 00:34:59.809
as their food, um, which is excellent.
762
00:35:00.469 --> 00:35:01.550
I am a, I'm a fan.
763
00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:05.420
Um, but, uh, but I didn't, uh, when you mentioned,
764
00:35:05.460 --> 00:35:07.199
what was the, uh, the wolf thing that might not
765
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:08.440
be a wolf, but then it would be a wolf
766
00:35:08.460 --> 00:35:09.840
with more fate with more mouths.
767
00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:10.739
What was it called?
768
00:35:11.059 --> 00:35:11.980
The Virkuluk. The Virkuluk.
769
00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:15.619
I think I actually talked very briefly about the Virka Luke. Uh,
770
00:35:15.659 --> 00:35:17.619
we do it on Thursdays. We do a thing called
771
00:35:17.659 --> 00:35:20.989
Thursday thrills. And the rule of Thursday thrills is I
772
00:35:21.130 --> 00:35:24.190
always create it the day before Thursday. Like it's the
773
00:35:24.230 --> 00:35:27.329
only podcast I can't record ahead because it's always about
774
00:35:27.409 --> 00:35:29.769
what's going on right in that moment. Like I want
775
00:35:29.789 --> 00:35:31.670
to like know what, what people are talking about, whether
776
00:35:31.690 --> 00:35:34.170
it's a cryptid or a creepypasta or whatever. And it
777
00:35:34.210 --> 00:35:39.030
was the, it was when, uh, uh, Europe had its, uh, um, Eclipse.
778
00:35:39.070 --> 00:35:39.190
Oh.
779
00:35:39.969 --> 00:35:43.030
And the Virgalook came up as one of the things
780
00:35:43.429 --> 00:35:45.719
about eating the sun. Because there were a bunch of
781
00:35:45.739 --> 00:35:47.980
stories about eating the sun. And I'm almost certain one
782
00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:49.380
of them was a wolf. And I'm almost certain it
783
00:35:49.420 --> 00:35:50.000
was the Virgalook.
784
00:35:50.679 --> 00:35:51.340
It might have been.
785
00:35:51.380 --> 00:35:52.360
It might have been the Virgalook.
786
00:35:52.739 --> 00:35:53.079
Yeah.
787
00:35:53.099 --> 00:35:56.039
Because that is a popular one. That's in Europe.
788
00:35:56.059 --> 00:36:02.039
But there are eclipse monsters in cultures all over. And
789
00:36:02.500 --> 00:36:06.559
there's actually a similar thing. So here's a fun, this
790
00:36:06.619 --> 00:36:08.199
is one of my, I'm going to go on a
791
00:36:08.219 --> 00:36:08.800
little tangent now.
792
00:36:09.300 --> 00:36:09.619
Please.
793
00:36:09.980 --> 00:36:13.340
One of my favorite little things to show kind of
794
00:36:13.380 --> 00:36:18.599
like the evolution of like folklore and concepts. So in China,
795
00:36:18.679 --> 00:36:23.360
there's a thing called a Cheng Gao, which is a
796
00:36:23.460 --> 00:36:26.320
black dog in the sky that eats the sun or
797
00:36:26.340 --> 00:36:29.550
the moon to cause eclipses. And it's a sort of
798
00:36:29.809 --> 00:36:35.289
an omen usually of bad things, especially war. Okay. Now,
799
00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:39.460
That term and the writing, the characters for it, are
800
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:43.980
what traveled over into Japan. And you get tengu, which
801
00:36:44.039 --> 00:36:46.420
is not that thing at all, is it? Are you
802
00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:47.840
familiar with what a tengu is?
803
00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:49.320
I might be.
804
00:36:49.340 --> 00:36:52.739
All right. So for you and for anybody else listening
805
00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:55.469
who's not familiar, so a tengu in Japanese lore, there's
806
00:36:55.489 --> 00:36:59.150
like two forms of it. But essentially, it's kind of
807
00:36:59.190 --> 00:37:02.800
a bird person. And so typically you'll see it and
808
00:37:02.820 --> 00:37:05.489
they've got kind of like a crow-like or a hawk-like
809
00:37:05.510 --> 00:37:07.369
kind of like head, but sometimes it'll be like an
810
00:37:07.469 --> 00:37:09.969
old man with like a big bulbous nose, but it's
811
00:37:10.190 --> 00:37:12.949
a bird person. And so how do you get from
812
00:37:13.489 --> 00:37:16.840
the black dog that eats the sun and the moon to...
813
00:37:17.650 --> 00:37:21.869
A bird person. Well, that's because of the introduction of Buddhism,
814
00:37:21.969 --> 00:37:25.809
which brought in the concept of the Garuda, which itself
815
00:37:25.889 --> 00:37:28.820
is an evolution of the Hindu Garuda, which the Garuda
816
00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:32.960
was initially a specific entity that was like the bird
817
00:37:33.539 --> 00:37:37.989
person-like thing that's a steed for Shiva, eventually becomes like
818
00:37:38.139 --> 00:37:40.949
a sort of species in Buddhism. There are Garuda. There
819
00:37:41.010 --> 00:37:43.719
are multiple things that are that and stuff. So the
820
00:37:43.739 --> 00:37:46.440
concept of that bird person, Garuda gets mixed up with
821
00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:48.400
the Chang'e and you get the Tengu.
822
00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:52.610
I love the travel though. I love the travel.
823
00:37:52.780 --> 00:37:55.110
I love the way, the way, you know, they, they
824
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take a piece and they keep a piece and they
825
00:37:56.670 --> 00:37:59.170
change a piece and it just kind of, uh, it
826
00:37:59.210 --> 00:38:00.130
all fits together.
827
00:38:00.510 --> 00:38:01.630
History is great like that.
828
00:38:01.929 --> 00:38:04.050
Yeah. And it's still weird because Tengu, again, it's a
829
00:38:04.070 --> 00:38:07.610
bird person, but the characters are still mean, basically like
830
00:38:07.659 --> 00:38:09.860
heavenly dog, like sky dog, um.
831
00:38:10.869 --> 00:38:12.630
Yeah yeah.
832
00:38:14.210 --> 00:38:16.829
They're like oh it's slang you know you know it's
833
00:38:16.889 --> 00:38:22.699
yeah it's one of those things sometimes i'll say english
834
00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:24.699
words and realize i've been saying them for so long
835
00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:27.260
i've never thought about like why why the pieces are
836
00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:29.400
there or like how like well that clearly doesn't sound
837
00:38:29.420 --> 00:38:32.070
like what i'm talking about though the poetic speaking in
838
00:38:32.130 --> 00:38:34.429
every language uh is it's one of the things that
839
00:38:34.449 --> 00:38:38.679
makes language so hard To learn is that especially English
840
00:38:38.699 --> 00:38:41.940
because we speak poetically constantly. I had a friend who
841
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:46.159
was Romanian and I've had a lot of fun. I
842
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:48.360
mean that legitimately. They were fun, but they were kind
843
00:38:48.389 --> 00:38:50.889
of like a little just a little crazy. But I've
844
00:38:50.909 --> 00:38:53.969
had a few Romanian friends who they would be like,
845
00:38:54.250 --> 00:38:55.170
that's the only thing they saw.
846
00:38:55.190 --> 00:38:59.110
They're like, you guys speak in like in poem all
847
00:38:59.150 --> 00:39:03.469
day long. And I was like, we do. I guess
848
00:39:03.510 --> 00:39:05.650
we do. I guess we do.
849
00:39:05.710 --> 00:39:08.849
Like, I just, you know, I guess we said, I
850
00:39:08.869 --> 00:39:12.309
was like, oh, no, no. You're just a rattlesnake chasing
851
00:39:12.349 --> 00:39:14.670
a jackrabbit through a mound of grass.
852
00:39:14.730 --> 00:39:16.610
And he'd be like, ah. And I'd be like, I'm awful.
853
00:39:16.789 --> 00:39:21.349
I'm just messing with you. That's not even his thing.
854
00:39:21.730 --> 00:39:25.250
But I love that they literally say Sky Dog, right?
855
00:39:25.289 --> 00:39:30.059
Was it Sky Dog? Yeah, because John is like heaven.
856
00:39:30.139 --> 00:39:33.460
It's the character for like the heavens. And then the
857
00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:38.900
gu part is also inu in Japanese. It's dog.
858
00:39:39.860 --> 00:39:41.139
So it's heaven dog.
859
00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:43.039
Oh, yeah, yeah.
860
00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:43.699
But it's not.
861
00:39:44.539 --> 00:39:45.840
But it's a bird person now.
862
00:39:45.980 --> 00:39:46.159
Yeah.
863
00:39:50.099 --> 00:39:52.400
So that's the kind of stuff I eat up. I love,
864
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:53.000
I love that.
865
00:39:53.019 --> 00:39:54.900
Cause that's the kind of stuff that you can't really
866
00:39:55.079 --> 00:40:00.239
find just by like surfing, you know, the web for folklore.
867
00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:02.619
That's why, that's why I think that like, you know,
868
00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:06.219
folklore books and folklore podcasts are so great is because
869
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:09.940
you get like a, a curated experience because you know, it's,
870
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:13.039
it's not like, like movies, you know, I mean, I,
871
00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:15.199
I prefer, I'd prefer to be curated from a person,
872
00:40:15.260 --> 00:40:17.619
but you know, the algorithm will start to figure out
873
00:40:17.659 --> 00:40:20.500
what I'm watching and, and kind of make, maybe make
874
00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:21.400
a good suggestion.
875
00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:23.579
But with folklore, it's like, I didn't even know I
876
00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:25.840
wanted to know about the sky dog. That's actually a
877
00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:26.500
bird person.
878
00:40:27.050 --> 00:40:28.780
How would I have ever known that? You know, I
879
00:40:28.989 --> 00:40:30.449
wouldn't even know where to look. I don't even know
880
00:40:30.469 --> 00:40:33.789
what I don't know. So no, that's, that's a, that's
881
00:40:33.829 --> 00:40:37.469
a great example. So with Romania, yes.
882
00:40:38.610 --> 00:40:38.909
Yes.
883
00:40:39.309 --> 00:40:42.489
Oh, and Romanian always confuses me too, because it's so
884
00:40:42.550 --> 00:40:44.150
similar to Spanish in reality.
885
00:40:44.489 --> 00:40:46.880
Cause it's a, it's a, also one of the romance languages.
886
00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:47.460
Yeah.
887
00:40:47.619 --> 00:40:47.820
Yeah.
888
00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:51.579
Which, uh, my, my girlfriend, uh, when I told her, uh,
889
00:40:51.699 --> 00:40:54.619
that Romania, Romanian is very similar to Spanish because it's
890
00:40:54.639 --> 00:40:56.880
a romance language. She was like, she was like, really
891
00:40:56.900 --> 00:40:58.239
in that part of Europe. And I was like, think
892
00:40:58.260 --> 00:40:58.860
about their name.
893
00:41:00.090 --> 00:41:00.530
Roman.
894
00:41:00.550 --> 00:41:00.730
Yeah.
895
00:41:00.769 --> 00:41:04.309
Roman is the first part. Again, a word you say
896
00:41:04.329 --> 00:41:06.159
a million times and never think about like, what is it?
897
00:41:06.170 --> 00:41:07.949
And she was like, she just gave me the, like,
898
00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:12.260
when I, you know, when I pointed that out, but, uh,
899
00:41:12.820 --> 00:41:14.300
So I remember the first time I heard somebody speaking
900
00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:15.900
in Romania, I was like, what is, what?
901
00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:19.840
I'm picking up some of it, but not much of it. Yeah.
902
00:41:19.860 --> 00:41:22.449
Because it's like a fascinating, it feels like kind of
903
00:41:22.489 --> 00:41:25.369
like an interesting combination of, yeah, like Spanish or Italian
904
00:41:25.510 --> 00:41:28.570
mixed with like kind of like a Slavic Russian-y kind
905
00:41:28.650 --> 00:41:29.610
of thing. Yeah.
906
00:41:29.630 --> 00:41:29.809
Yeah.
907
00:41:31.260 --> 00:41:34.900
But then listen to native Portuguese speakers from Portugal, and
908
00:41:34.940 --> 00:41:37.019
some people think they're speaking Russian because of the shh
909
00:41:37.059 --> 00:41:40.570
sounds and the hh sounds. And they couldn't be further away.
910
00:41:40.650 --> 00:41:43.969
They're literally, their neighbor is the Atlantic Ocean. They could
911
00:41:44.010 --> 00:41:46.929
not be further from the Balkans than they are. But
912
00:41:47.449 --> 00:41:53.130
yet here we are going, hh, shh, hh, shh. So
913
00:41:53.429 --> 00:41:55.610
what was the name of this? I'm never going to
914
00:41:55.650 --> 00:41:55.940
nail it.
915
00:41:56.250 --> 00:41:58.349
Strugoi. Strigoi.
916
00:41:58.610 --> 00:42:01.070
Strigoi. And if you want to talk a fun language
917
00:42:01.090 --> 00:42:06.179
thing about Strigoi. So the etymology of Strigoi, so we'll
918
00:42:06.219 --> 00:42:08.929
go back into sort of the Roman.
919
00:42:10.380 --> 00:42:11.019
Roots of this.
920
00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:16.480
It comes from Strix, which is a Greco-Roman sort of
921
00:42:16.619 --> 00:42:19.679
night monster that's like an owl thing.
922
00:42:20.420 --> 00:42:23.420
And it basically means like to scream.
923
00:42:24.179 --> 00:42:29.500
And so that's why a lot of owl species names
924
00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:33.800
have Strix in it as their scientific name. I think most,
925
00:42:33.900 --> 00:42:36.900
except for like barn owls, will have Strix somewhere in
926
00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:39.019
their thing, which is odd. I don't know why barn
927
00:42:39.039 --> 00:42:45.340
owls get the exception. And then interestingly enough, language-wise, they
928
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:45.900
kind of.
929
00:42:46.219 --> 00:42:47.980
So in Italy.
930
00:42:49.449 --> 00:42:53.139
Strix kind of evolved into sort of strege, which becomes
931
00:42:53.179 --> 00:42:57.900
like a witch concept in Italy. And again, for a
932
00:42:57.940 --> 00:43:02.610
long time retained that owl and night monster sort of concept.
933
00:43:02.809 --> 00:43:05.550
It was like a owl creature that would sort of.
934
00:43:05.949 --> 00:43:09.510
Sneak in at night and sort of suck out all
935
00:43:09.530 --> 00:43:11.699
of the insides of a baby. and maybe stuff it
936
00:43:11.739 --> 00:43:15.360
with straw and then just a little straw stuff. Of course.
937
00:43:15.380 --> 00:43:17.300
So you, so you knew, you know, I was like,
938
00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:18.679
why would I take the whole baby when I could
939
00:43:18.699 --> 00:43:20.159
leave you a horrifying reminder?
940
00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:22.199
Well, so then you won't notice at first that the
941
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:25.119
baby has been all like tribbled up into it. It's like,
942
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:27.139
Oh no, I've got to just stuff that back and
943
00:43:27.219 --> 00:43:31.909
it's fine. It's just, you know, geez. Um, and then
944
00:43:31.929 --> 00:43:35.110
those also, then they evolved into other kinds of like
945
00:43:35.130 --> 00:43:37.409
witch concepts. Like a lot of times, uh, they would
946
00:43:37.429 --> 00:43:41.199
be like, um, like a wet nurse that also would
947
00:43:41.239 --> 00:43:45.280
feed upon the child or be poisoning the child instead
948
00:43:45.300 --> 00:43:48.860
of giving them actual milk. It's like poison from the, yeah.
949
00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:56.230
And another thing, so that's a strega in Italy. So
950
00:43:56.309 --> 00:43:58.349
their concept of a witch is a lot different than
951
00:43:58.389 --> 00:44:00.559
what you'll like see up in like England and stuff.
952
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:03.780
But then, uh, you go off into more of the
953
00:44:03.820 --> 00:44:08.599
Balkans and stuff. This Strix Streghe evolved into two concepts
954
00:44:08.659 --> 00:44:09.199
in the Balkans.
955
00:44:09.219 --> 00:44:11.619
You have the Stregoi in the Strega.
956
00:44:11.989 --> 00:44:15.869
And so the Strega is something more similar to the
957
00:44:16.010 --> 00:44:19.769
Italian one where it's like a witch thing. Um, and
958
00:44:19.789 --> 00:44:24.349
then the Stregoi is what we would now call a vampire. Um,
959
00:44:24.469 --> 00:44:26.659
so like they didn't use the term vampire and stuff
960
00:44:26.699 --> 00:44:30.900
like that back then, just like, um, there were vampires
961
00:44:31.659 --> 00:44:34.760
in America that we didn't call vampires. Um, but if
962
00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:37.139
you look at how they were treated and like how
963
00:44:37.179 --> 00:44:38.610
we dealt with them and stuff like that, that it
964
00:44:38.690 --> 00:44:41.650
was a vampire. Um, and so if we just term
965
00:44:41.730 --> 00:44:44.789
term wise, um, I think it's an important thing to
966
00:44:44.829 --> 00:44:48.610
note that, uh, historically, like people wouldn't have the term vampire,
967
00:44:49.230 --> 00:44:51.389
like what we have now, like that came about later
968
00:44:51.409 --> 00:44:55.750
and now we just use it as sort of a classification. Um, yeah.
969
00:44:56.130 --> 00:44:56.329
Yeah.
970
00:44:57.780 --> 00:45:00.469
Well, I mean, of course, that's how I use it.
971
00:45:00.969 --> 00:45:01.119
Yeah.
972
00:45:01.179 --> 00:45:04.289
No, well, yeah, well, it makes sense because vampire really,
973
00:45:05.090 --> 00:45:09.050
that term really grew from, you know, Bram Stoker's Dracula becoming,
974
00:45:09.690 --> 00:45:12.630
you know, the entire world that helped a lot with
975
00:45:12.690 --> 00:45:13.929
kind of the basic concept.
976
00:45:14.130 --> 00:45:15.750
Well, I mean, it came before him.
977
00:45:16.610 --> 00:45:20.170
But like the term vampire itself was more a Western
978
00:45:20.349 --> 00:45:25.429
European term, even though it supposedly came from Eastern European concepts. um,
979
00:45:25.849 --> 00:45:28.269
but it was more kind of like sort of, uh,
980
00:45:28.750 --> 00:45:30.849
and there's no like clear consensus on this, but there's
981
00:45:30.889 --> 00:45:33.809
like different arguments about like different potential words, either in
982
00:45:33.869 --> 00:45:36.909
Turkish or Serbian and stuff that got kind of, uh,
983
00:45:36.969 --> 00:45:41.659
sort of almost bastardized by, uh, Western European, uh, speakers. And,
984
00:45:41.860 --> 00:45:44.400
and you eventually get like this term vampire, which might've
985
00:45:44.420 --> 00:45:48.909
been something more like vampire or something like that. Um, but, uh,
986
00:45:49.610 --> 00:45:52.650
Still a very similar concept to what a stragoi is
987
00:45:52.949 --> 00:45:53.369
and stuff.
988
00:45:53.510 --> 00:45:55.230
So this stragoi is a.
989
00:45:55.710 --> 00:46:01.610
Romanian thing that Bram Stoker and others like him borrowed from,
990
00:46:02.260 --> 00:46:05.320
but is still going to be vastly different, which might
991
00:46:05.340 --> 00:46:06.440
be a fun thing to talk about.
992
00:46:06.460 --> 00:46:09.019
Yeah, that's the most exciting part.
993
00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:09.860
Yeah.
994
00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:12.659
So let's play it as a game.
995
00:46:13.059 --> 00:46:13.300
Yeah.
996
00:46:13.380 --> 00:46:13.679
Okay?
997
00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:18.440
I'm going to say a vampire, like a traditional vampire thing.
998
00:46:18.780 --> 00:46:18.940
Yes.
999
00:46:19.469 --> 00:46:22.380
And then you can tell me if it applies, doesn't
1000
00:46:22.409 --> 00:46:25.000
apply or kind of applies. I think this will be
1001
00:46:25.059 --> 00:46:28.280
fun because as a lifelong monster kid, I'm like, you know,
1002
00:46:28.340 --> 00:46:29.440
I know vampires.
1003
00:46:29.659 --> 00:46:32.929
I know them. So we'll go with the most obvious
1004
00:46:32.969 --> 00:46:34.849
first drinking blood.
1005
00:46:36.409 --> 00:46:43.849
So, yes, but also, they would feed off of not
1006
00:46:43.869 --> 00:46:45.860
just blood, but they could feed off of the life
1007
00:46:45.909 --> 00:46:50.460
force of people. So if you, like, people start feeling, like,
1008
00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:53.579
sick and drained and stuff like that, they.
1009
00:46:57.690 --> 00:47:01.389
So quick caveat, there are live type and dead type strugoi. Oh, okay.
1010
00:47:01.610 --> 00:47:04.130
Yeah, so live type are people who are living, but
1011
00:47:04.170 --> 00:47:06.630
whenever they die, they're going to rise again as the strugoi.
1012
00:47:06.690 --> 00:47:10.070
You're basically kind of, for one reason or the other,
1013
00:47:11.110 --> 00:47:13.469
either you're born in a cowl or something like that,
1014
00:47:13.489 --> 00:47:15.610
that gets you cursed, so you're going to be a
1015
00:47:15.869 --> 00:47:19.690
strugoi someday. And then dead type, of course, are the
1016
00:47:19.750 --> 00:47:23.690
reanimated ones. But there was a lot of concepts of
1017
00:47:23.809 --> 00:47:27.489
live type ones, especially lady live type ones, who could
1018
00:47:27.590 --> 00:47:33.719
also sort of take out the power of things. And
1019
00:47:33.860 --> 00:47:38.159
that could be like one instance, example was this one
1020
00:47:38.179 --> 00:47:40.559
lady who's really good at baking. She was the best
1021
00:47:40.900 --> 00:47:43.630
bread maker in her entire village. And that's because she
1022
00:47:43.670 --> 00:47:48.369
was a who took all of the bread power from
1023
00:47:48.510 --> 00:47:49.469
all of the other women.
1024
00:47:49.489 --> 00:47:52.300
So she was, better.
1025
00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:55.440
Yeah that sounds like that might have been a little
1026
00:47:55.539 --> 00:47:59.800
a little mindset left over from feudalism you know because
1027
00:47:59.820 --> 00:48:02.489
they lived in the zero-sum game for hundreds of years
1028
00:48:02.550 --> 00:48:04.269
where it was like you don't own anything it's all
1029
00:48:04.289 --> 00:48:06.070
belongs to this guy who you'll only see when he
1030
00:48:06.110 --> 00:48:06.869
needs money.
1031
00:48:06.650 --> 00:48:09.210
Or food well no no no it was it was
1032
00:48:09.269 --> 00:48:11.510
like the actual power like like like because they would
1033
00:48:11.530 --> 00:48:13.599
also take the power from bees and it would make
1034
00:48:13.619 --> 00:48:15.679
it so the bees can't produce honey anymore but they've
1035
00:48:15.699 --> 00:48:19.780
got now power They've taken the energy from them. But
1036
00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:22.539
with this particular lady, she just used that power to
1037
00:48:22.579 --> 00:48:23.179
make the best bread.
1038
00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:26.539
I mean, why wouldn't you?
1039
00:48:27.099 --> 00:48:29.599
What I mean is more so the idea that if
1040
00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:33.659
you have something, if you're good at something, it's taking
1041
00:48:33.739 --> 00:48:34.489
from something else.
1042
00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:36.929
That's what I meant about relating to feudalism.
1043
00:48:36.949 --> 00:48:39.369
Because feudalism is where kind of a lot of zero-sum
1044
00:48:39.449 --> 00:48:42.750
thinking in human history, I think, comes from, is the
1045
00:48:42.809 --> 00:48:44.750
idea that like, oh, well, if he has something, it's
1046
00:48:44.869 --> 00:48:46.710
only because it was taken from me because that's all
1047
00:48:46.730 --> 00:48:49.269
they knew for the longest time was that, you know,
1048
00:48:49.309 --> 00:48:52.010
if somebody was powerful, it was strictly from extraction.
1049
00:48:52.050 --> 00:48:52.550
There was no.
1050
00:48:53.159 --> 00:48:57.639
Yeah. Like we both can't be good at something. You, I,
1051
00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:00.099
the only reason I suck is because, is because you
1052
00:49:00.139 --> 00:49:01.920
took my, my ability from me.
1053
00:49:01.980 --> 00:49:02.519
Exactly.
1054
00:49:02.579 --> 00:49:03.000
Exactly.
1055
00:49:03.059 --> 00:49:05.780
Otherwise, you know, we're all on evil, even playing ground
1056
00:49:05.800 --> 00:49:08.260
or playing field, but you, you just stole it from me.
1057
00:49:08.570 --> 00:49:10.070
So that's, but that's really interesting.
1058
00:49:10.130 --> 00:49:12.590
The idea that you would be taking, I mean, bread
1059
00:49:12.630 --> 00:49:15.929
making in particular, I love, I mean, but again, we laugh,
1060
00:49:15.989 --> 00:49:17.550
but like, uh, it was pretty important to make some
1061
00:49:17.590 --> 00:49:19.110
good bread, you know, back in the day.
1062
00:49:19.210 --> 00:49:19.929
And it might be the only thing.
1063
00:49:20.050 --> 00:49:22.130
You're eating and uh if it tasted a little bit
1064
00:49:22.170 --> 00:49:26.800
better maybe maybe you'd live a little longer uh so
1065
00:49:26.929 --> 00:49:28.940
or or you know or maybe uh it was the
1066
00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:31.840
other people's really crappy bread that made them hallucinate that
1067
00:49:31.860 --> 00:49:36.210
this woman was stealing their bread um But, you know,
1068
00:49:36.570 --> 00:49:40.849
that's a whole other concept. So, okay, so occasionally drinks blood,
1069
00:49:40.889 --> 00:49:43.929
but also just takes energy, power, strength.
1070
00:49:44.269 --> 00:49:46.190
Strength and would eat people. They also like to dig
1071
00:49:46.230 --> 00:49:47.250
up corpses and eat their hearts.
1072
00:49:47.730 --> 00:49:50.230
Oh, okay, just the heart? Yeah.
1073
00:49:50.289 --> 00:49:50.949
I like that.
1074
00:49:51.590 --> 00:49:53.289
Well, I like that because that also ties into, like,
1075
00:49:53.329 --> 00:49:56.070
because there's heart stuff in later vampire folklore.
1076
00:49:56.510 --> 00:50:01.360
So, okay. So they kind of drink blood, but with,
1077
00:50:01.599 --> 00:50:02.340
you know, bonuses.
1078
00:50:02.739 --> 00:50:02.900
Mm-hmm.
1079
00:50:06.539 --> 00:50:07.860
Any aversion to sunlight?
1080
00:50:08.889 --> 00:50:11.409
So they don't, nothing that I saw says that they
1081
00:50:11.429 --> 00:50:13.829
die in sunlight. They just disappear or sink into the earth.
1082
00:50:14.750 --> 00:50:15.070
Okay.
1083
00:50:15.090 --> 00:50:17.849
I mean, it's kind of how I feel like doing sometimes,
1084
00:50:17.889 --> 00:50:19.809
you know, when I'm not ready for summer. I'm like,
1085
00:50:19.849 --> 00:50:21.369
I'm just going to sink into the dirt.
1086
00:50:22.829 --> 00:50:25.429
But no, okay. So I like that the aversion is there.
1087
00:50:25.809 --> 00:50:26.469
Yeah.
1088
00:50:26.829 --> 00:50:28.789
And I think that comes from more of like this
1089
00:50:28.829 --> 00:50:32.070
concept of sort of the dark and the nighttime is
1090
00:50:32.190 --> 00:50:35.150
for the bad things, the dark, creepy things. And then
1091
00:50:35.170 --> 00:50:38.800
everything goes away. In the light of day kind of thing.
1092
00:50:38.940 --> 00:50:41.280
All of the things that scared you at night are
1093
00:50:41.320 --> 00:50:44.079
now gone once the sun has risen and stuff.
1094
00:50:44.119 --> 00:50:46.230
So that's, I think, what that ties into.
1095
00:50:46.269 --> 00:50:51.349
So again, I never encountered any stories where the Sturgoy
1096
00:50:51.409 --> 00:50:53.550
is hurt by the sun or dies because of the sun.
1097
00:50:53.699 --> 00:50:55.500
It just disappears or just sinks.
1098
00:50:55.519 --> 00:50:57.880
It just kind of disappears. They just got to F off.
1099
00:50:57.980 --> 00:50:58.920
You know, they got to get lost.
1100
00:50:58.940 --> 00:50:59.960
They just got to go away.
1101
00:50:59.980 --> 00:51:01.559
Yeah.
1102
00:51:01.599 --> 00:51:02.460
Which is perfect.
1103
00:51:02.500 --> 00:51:02.679
Yeah.
1104
00:51:02.980 --> 00:51:04.719
Unless, of course, they're a live type. If they're a
1105
00:51:04.739 --> 00:51:07.159
live type, then they just walk around like everybody else.
1106
00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:08.199
They're just chilling.
1107
00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:08.719
Yeah.
1108
00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:11.619
Because they're still a human being.
1109
00:51:11.989 --> 00:51:12.300
Yeah.
1110
00:51:12.619 --> 00:51:15.610
They just walk around in the sun going, huh, you
1111
00:51:15.630 --> 00:51:17.750
made some pretty good bread. And then they get the
1112
00:51:17.789 --> 00:51:22.710
big Della Lugosi eyes, you know. My bread will be
1113
00:51:22.809 --> 00:51:26.210
so much better now than in the original Romanian bread.
1114
00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:34.619
All right. So, okay. So, let's go religious iconography. Okay. So, no.
1115
00:51:35.010 --> 00:51:35.650
Well, yes and no.
1116
00:51:35.750 --> 00:51:36.010
Okay.
1117
00:51:36.110 --> 00:51:38.929
So, crosses, no, because a lot of times they hang
1118
00:51:38.969 --> 00:51:42.349
out in church arts. But there is one particular story
1119
00:51:42.409 --> 00:51:46.699
where a vampire was actually killed by a portrait of
1120
00:51:46.739 --> 00:51:48.260
a saint falling on him.
1121
00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:51.130
So... Okay.
1122
00:51:51.409 --> 00:51:54.909
Which is rare because it's usually very difficult to dispatch
1123
00:51:55.210 --> 00:51:55.880
a Sturgoy.
1124
00:51:55.909 --> 00:51:57.389
Like, there's specific things you have to do.
1125
00:51:58.380 --> 00:52:02.300
But this was just, he chased his ex-girlfriend into the
1126
00:52:02.340 --> 00:52:05.340
church and she hid behind, like, a portrait of a
1127
00:52:05.360 --> 00:52:07.940
saint and it fell down onto the Sturgoy and he died.
1128
00:52:08.300 --> 00:52:10.139
See, it's funny because, you.
1129
00:52:10.059 --> 00:52:11.719
Know, when you think of vampires, you think of a
1130
00:52:11.739 --> 00:52:13.599
Bela Gosi movie, but this was more like a Buster
1131
00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:16.739
Keaton movie. He just stumbles in and then the thing
1132
00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:18.000
falls right on him and that's it.
1133
00:52:20.119 --> 00:52:23.900
But that's also very cinematic, poetic.
1134
00:52:24.179 --> 00:52:28.469
Because I'm sure at that time period, most of the
1135
00:52:28.550 --> 00:52:31.670
murals and big art pieces you would see were church
1136
00:52:31.769 --> 00:52:34.289
stuff and related to saints and stuff. So you'd be like, well, yeah,
1137
00:52:34.309 --> 00:52:36.340
that's the kind of thing that would fall on them.
1138
00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:39.199
The only thing that would work like that otherwise would
1139
00:52:39.219 --> 00:52:41.340
be a statue of a saint falling on them would
1140
00:52:41.360 --> 00:52:44.190
be a very similar kind of concept. So, okay, so
1141
00:52:44.210 --> 00:52:46.630
since we started on that, we'll dive right into, so
1142
00:52:46.670 --> 00:52:48.809
how do you kill, for all of our listeners in
1143
00:52:48.869 --> 00:52:53.670
Romania who are currently hiding under their blankets with a
1144
00:52:53.829 --> 00:52:57.300
loaf of very poorly made bread, try and figure out
1145
00:52:57.400 --> 00:52:58.920
what they could possibly do.
1146
00:52:58.940 --> 00:53:02.519
So how to kill a strogoi.
1147
00:53:03.639 --> 00:53:06.460
So there is some variations, but almost all of them,
1148
00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:10.179
you have to cut out the heart, at least the heart.
1149
00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:13.269
Sometimes it's the heart and the liver. And cut it
1150
00:53:13.369 --> 00:53:16.429
up and burn it. And you can either scatter the
1151
00:53:16.510 --> 00:53:19.789
ashes in like a river or more likely you would
1152
00:53:19.849 --> 00:53:21.889
mix the ashes with some water and give it to
1153
00:53:21.989 --> 00:53:24.300
people who have been affected by the vampire recently.
1154
00:53:24.820 --> 00:53:25.860
And it would cure them of it.
1155
00:53:26.500 --> 00:53:30.000
But then in some of the other versions, you have
1156
00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:32.400
to then chop up and burn every piece of the
1157
00:53:32.440 --> 00:53:36.320
body afterwards. Because if even a sliver of bone is left,
1158
00:53:36.380 --> 00:53:37.389
that vampire will grow back.
1159
00:53:38.429 --> 00:53:38.530
Oh.
1160
00:53:39.230 --> 00:53:40.760
So, yeah. Yeah.
1161
00:53:41.579 --> 00:53:42.260
Not ideal.
1162
00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:44.510
No. So, yeah.
1163
00:53:44.530 --> 00:53:48.389
So that's the only way really to completely dispatch Sturgoy.
1164
00:53:49.070 --> 00:53:53.239
That's fascinating because everything you said I've heard like kind
1165
00:53:53.300 --> 00:53:55.500
of in a vampire legend from somewhere. From like a
1166
00:53:55.500 --> 00:53:57.280
book or a movie or something.
1167
00:53:57.360 --> 00:53:57.760
Except.
1168
00:53:58.380 --> 00:54:02.500
The consuming the ashes of the heart. I've never heard that.
1169
00:54:02.820 --> 00:54:04.699
I've heard of versions where it's like you have to
1170
00:54:04.739 --> 00:54:06.320
take the vampire's heart and burn it or cut it
1171
00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:09.000
up or whatever. And of course, staking them and blah, blah, blah.
1172
00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:13.820
But I've never heard of consuming a vampire to cure before.
1173
00:54:14.539 --> 00:54:14.880
I haven't.
1174
00:54:14.940 --> 00:54:17.889
I'm sure it's out there somewhere, but that's really fascinating.
1175
00:54:18.110 --> 00:54:19.050
Oh, so no, it is.
1176
00:54:19.070 --> 00:54:21.289
It is incredibly common. Like I said, it was the
1177
00:54:21.349 --> 00:54:23.909
most common way to do it. And like I have,
1178
00:54:24.030 --> 00:54:27.210
I brought it. I mean, you're not showing video, but
1179
00:54:27.329 --> 00:54:30.050
I have with me here Food for the Dead by
1180
00:54:30.110 --> 00:54:32.449
Michael E. Bell. If you ever want to learn about
1181
00:54:32.489 --> 00:54:36.190
the New England vampires that we had here in America,
1182
00:54:36.949 --> 00:54:39.510
which again, we didn't call vampires, but it's the same way.
1183
00:54:39.570 --> 00:54:42.409
The same way they were dispatched would be digging them up,
1184
00:54:42.550 --> 00:54:46.130
cutting out the heart, burning it, mixing that ash with
1185
00:54:46.550 --> 00:54:49.050
water and giving it to like family members who are
1186
00:54:49.090 --> 00:54:54.559
affected and stuff. And because it was, So one of
1187
00:54:54.639 --> 00:54:58.429
the things about Strigoi and about these New England vampires
1188
00:54:58.469 --> 00:55:02.489
and other vampires pretty much everywhere is they're actually to
1189
00:55:02.550 --> 00:55:06.269
explain plagues and stuff. So digging up a corpse and
1190
00:55:06.369 --> 00:55:08.530
playing with it isn't honestly the best way to prevent
1191
00:55:08.570 --> 00:55:10.550
more plague, but they didn't know that.
1192
00:55:11.210 --> 00:55:13.949
No, I mean, the germ theory was they were way
1193
00:55:14.010 --> 00:55:18.429
before germ theory. They were probably a century before germ theory.
1194
00:55:18.849 --> 00:55:19.070
Right.
1195
00:55:19.150 --> 00:55:23.130
But so consuming part of that corpse was thought in
1196
00:55:23.210 --> 00:55:26.489
some way to be able to cure the curse and
1197
00:55:26.510 --> 00:55:28.110
stuff that had fallen upon you because.
1198
00:55:28.130 --> 00:55:29.380
Kind of like a vaccine.
1199
00:55:29.860 --> 00:55:32.179
Yeah, kind of like a vaccine, but not because they're
1200
00:55:32.199 --> 00:55:33.340
not doing it quite right.
1201
00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:37.000
Yeah, because it's not before either.
1202
00:55:37.159 --> 00:55:40.400
Yeah. You already have the plague or tuberculosis. It's not
1203
00:55:40.420 --> 00:55:42.539
really going to help you.
1204
00:55:42.639 --> 00:55:48.349
It's like Oregon Trail, but with a Romanian vampire creature. Yep.
1205
00:55:48.369 --> 00:55:48.469
So.
1206
00:55:49.170 --> 00:55:52.190
wow, that's, that's why we're actually, we're working on a
1207
00:55:52.230 --> 00:55:55.269
show for terrifying and true in November about the new
1208
00:55:55.309 --> 00:55:58.239
England vampire thing, because I felt like it was kind
1209
00:55:58.280 --> 00:56:01.900
of festive because it's up by where, you know, up
1210
00:56:01.940 --> 00:56:03.119
by where the pilgrims landed.
1211
00:56:03.159 --> 00:56:03.659
So why not?
1212
00:56:03.679 --> 00:56:08.320
Uh, Because last year we did a special that was
1213
00:56:08.360 --> 00:56:14.539
like the real hardships of Thanksgiving, like the true fear
1214
00:56:14.619 --> 00:56:18.110
of death and murder and all these things. And then
1215
00:56:18.130 --> 00:56:20.929
the next one was the believed threats. So it was
1216
00:56:20.969 --> 00:56:25.750
like spiritual things like ghost stories, monsters, cryptids, whether it
1217
00:56:25.769 --> 00:56:28.949
was the pilgrims or the natives. We tried to like
1218
00:56:29.030 --> 00:56:30.409
kind of do one and then the other. So it
1219
00:56:30.429 --> 00:56:33.679
was like the real hardships. and the spiritual or, or, uh,
1220
00:56:33.900 --> 00:56:37.789
folkloric hardships. It was really fun, but, uh, it kind
1221
00:56:37.849 --> 00:56:40.389
of tapped me out on a lot of the stuff
1222
00:56:40.429 --> 00:56:42.789
we can do about Thanksgiving time. So I was like,
1223
00:56:42.809 --> 00:56:45.150
all right, well, we'll go, we'll go by Plymouth and
1224
00:56:45.190 --> 00:56:48.349
see what the vampires were doing at some point. Yeah.
1225
00:56:48.389 --> 00:56:50.090
Well, but I've heard it's a fascinating thing.
1226
00:56:50.369 --> 00:56:50.590
Oh yeah.
1227
00:56:50.630 --> 00:56:53.920
And Rhode Island is where there's like the most famous. Right.
1228
00:56:53.940 --> 00:56:54.179
Yeah.
1229
00:56:54.820 --> 00:56:57.159
Um, but New England is homogenized.
1230
00:56:58.320 --> 00:57:00.719
Um, But I was going to say, because you did
1231
00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:04.079
mention staking. So staking through the harder navel was usually
1232
00:57:04.099 --> 00:57:06.400
just a way to prevent the corpse from rising.
1233
00:57:06.539 --> 00:57:10.139
It wasn't a way to kill the vampire after it's
1234
00:57:10.179 --> 00:57:10.949
already been doing that.
1235
00:57:11.320 --> 00:57:12.550
I haven't heard that.
1236
00:57:12.829 --> 00:57:14.730
Yeah, it was more of a preventative measure. There were
1237
00:57:14.809 --> 00:57:19.230
various different kinds, things like that, or sticking a nail
1238
00:57:19.510 --> 00:57:22.329
in the back of the neck or in the eyes
1239
00:57:22.409 --> 00:57:24.409
and other places, putting a nail under the tongue, etc.
1240
00:57:25.090 --> 00:57:27.889
um yeah it's uh so there's lots of different there's
1241
00:57:27.909 --> 00:57:30.219
like one it was one region like i think wrapped
1242
00:57:31.579 --> 00:57:34.199
uh was it like rose vines or some type of
1243
00:57:34.239 --> 00:57:37.820
vines around like the casket there's all sorts of just
1244
00:57:37.860 --> 00:57:40.190
ways to prevent the corpse.
1245
00:57:39.949 --> 00:57:43.150
From rising yeah they were you know it seemed like
1246
00:57:43.170 --> 00:57:45.670
they were always bouncing between either uh worrying about the
1247
00:57:45.690 --> 00:57:48.949
corpse rising or worrying about uh nobody knowing that the
1248
00:57:48.969 --> 00:57:51.670
person was not actually a corpse they kind of you know,
1249
00:57:51.829 --> 00:57:54.469
it kind of juggled between those two things. But also
1250
00:57:54.489 --> 00:57:56.230
I think that that might be one of the reasons
1251
00:57:56.889 --> 00:57:58.670
that they got scared is that they may have exhumed
1252
00:57:58.710 --> 00:58:01.469
at one and saw evidence that they weren't dead yet.
1253
00:58:02.090 --> 00:58:04.260
Well, that was, well, yeah, because it was actually very
1254
00:58:04.300 --> 00:58:07.340
common to, uh, exhume the corpses after a certain amount
1255
00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:09.760
of time, just in general, just to check, to see
1256
00:58:09.800 --> 00:58:12.139
if anybody was, uh, instead of going of some kind
1257
00:58:12.199 --> 00:58:14.170
and stuff. And so there's different things to look for, um,
1258
00:58:15.320 --> 00:58:19.880
in that corpse and things would be like, uh, coloration, which, uh, uh,
1259
00:58:20.570 --> 00:58:25.429
So I guess I'm skipping ahead in the game. Vampires
1260
00:58:25.449 --> 00:58:29.619
aren't pale. They were usually red, very ruddy skinned. And
1261
00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:34.820
that's probably because whenever blood settles in a corpse, there's discoloration.
1262
00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:38.110
But people back then wouldn't really... know what that meant.
1263
00:58:38.429 --> 00:58:41.289
They just think, oh, look, it's flush with blood. It
1264
00:58:41.329 --> 00:58:43.349
must be because it's consuming a lot of blood and
1265
00:58:43.570 --> 00:58:47.980
feeding off of its family. Things like if its legs
1266
00:58:48.039 --> 00:58:50.599
have been moved, so it shows signs that it had
1267
00:58:50.820 --> 00:58:57.179
been turning around and stuff. And then other things like
1268
00:58:57.219 --> 00:59:03.389
a little hole next to where the grave is, about
1269
00:59:03.409 --> 00:59:04.820
a size for a snake to go.
1270
00:59:04.690 --> 00:59:06.090
Through because that was.
1271
00:59:06.090 --> 00:59:09.000
That's what it would believe that the the vampire would
1272
00:59:09.019 --> 00:59:10.820
travel up through that hole to get in and out
1273
00:59:10.840 --> 00:59:14.429
of its casket um and but yeah and also if
1274
00:59:14.510 --> 00:59:17.469
it hadn't decomposed too too much and like let's say
1275
00:59:17.489 --> 00:59:19.030
it's been like three years and you dig it up
1276
00:59:19.530 --> 00:59:21.389
and really the only thing that's rotted has like been
1277
00:59:21.429 --> 00:59:23.750
the nose and everything else looks pretty okay then that's
1278
00:59:23.789 --> 00:59:27.250
probably a vampire. Oh, yeah. Yeah, if it's just bones,
1279
00:59:27.570 --> 00:59:29.570
then you put holy water and wine on it and
1280
00:59:29.590 --> 00:59:32.280
you do a little ritual over and bury it back.
1281
00:59:32.179 --> 00:59:32.900
And it's all fine.
1282
00:59:35.559 --> 00:59:37.000
Like making a good pot roast, you know?
1283
00:59:37.019 --> 00:59:41.079
Yeah, but if it's still fleshy, then that's probably Strogoy.
1284
00:59:41.099 --> 00:59:42.639
You got to cut out his heart and do that
1285
00:59:42.659 --> 00:59:43.199
whole process.
1286
00:59:43.510 --> 00:59:45.949
Got to do it. That's wild.
1287
00:59:48.489 --> 00:59:54.030
We've got the pale skin is a no. They got
1288
00:59:54.070 --> 00:59:56.590
how you kill them. They drink blood. What about, I mean,
1289
00:59:56.610 --> 00:59:58.469
this one, I feel like we got to wonder, what
1290
00:59:58.489 --> 01:00:02.150
about fangs? Did they have any kind of protrusion of
1291
01:00:02.269 --> 01:00:05.369
teeth or what was their method for extracting when they
1292
01:00:05.389 --> 01:00:06.690
were consuming blood?
1293
01:00:07.210 --> 01:00:12.219
So nothing is really talked about with that. And from
1294
01:00:12.280 --> 01:00:14.820
any of the stuff that I've read, that might be
1295
01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:18.940
more of an invention later with like the Victorian romantic fangs.
1296
01:00:20.360 --> 01:00:23.679
like writings because that also became they started to get
1297
01:00:23.739 --> 01:00:25.849
obsessed with like the whole neck biting thing which it
1298
01:00:25.869 --> 01:00:29.690
wasn't really that wasn't really necessarily where they were feeding
1299
01:00:29.789 --> 01:00:32.070
off of you as Turgoy and stuff like that but
1300
01:00:32.130 --> 01:00:34.030
it's more sexy Oh, yeah.
1301
01:00:34.050 --> 01:00:36.670
Well, in the Victorian era, you know, I mean, that
1302
01:00:36.710 --> 01:00:38.630
was the era of VD.
1303
01:00:39.050 --> 01:00:41.989
So, I mean, no, I mean, you know.
1304
01:00:42.489 --> 01:00:47.099
And I... But, I mean, because, like, Dracula and other, like,
1305
01:00:47.719 --> 01:00:49.480
stories that came out at the time, they are, like,
1306
01:00:50.519 --> 01:00:54.000
gothic romanticism kind of things and stuff. So they are
1307
01:00:54.039 --> 01:00:55.960
supposed to be a little sexy. And so that's why
1308
01:00:56.000 --> 01:00:59.579
the whole little biting on the neck thing. But before then,
1309
01:00:59.880 --> 01:01:03.460
it wasn't really, like, the only... Physical characteristics besides the
1310
01:01:03.500 --> 01:01:07.300
red skin would be guy, a storgoy would usually be
1311
01:01:07.400 --> 01:01:10.920
bald and they would grow a tail and cloven hooves.
1312
01:01:12.159 --> 01:01:13.139
That would be noticeable.
1313
01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:14.219
Yes, it would be noticeable.
1314
01:01:14.260 --> 01:01:15.340
A lot more so than fangs.
1315
01:01:15.849 --> 01:01:16.070
Yes.
1316
01:01:16.510 --> 01:01:18.610
Oh, can I tell a quick little story?
1317
01:01:18.630 --> 01:01:19.449
Yes.
1318
01:01:19.889 --> 01:01:20.170
Okay.
1319
01:01:20.269 --> 01:01:24.489
Okay. Absolutely. All right. So there's different variations of this story.
1320
01:01:24.510 --> 01:01:28.800
But basically the gist is that there was like a
1321
01:01:28.889 --> 01:01:30.940
party going on with a bunch of young people from
1322
01:01:30.980 --> 01:01:35.719
a village. And these, sometimes it's one, sometimes it's more
1323
01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:37.880
than one, but so we'll go with one. One young,
1324
01:01:38.239 --> 01:01:41.420
handsome gentleman showed up and all of the girls like
1325
01:01:41.460 --> 01:01:44.550
just loved talking with him. He was fun and witty
1326
01:01:44.610 --> 01:01:46.670
and just everyone was laughing, except for this one girl
1327
01:01:46.710 --> 01:01:48.989
who just wanted to like knit or whatever, do her
1328
01:01:49.030 --> 01:01:51.010
little cross stitch over and not pay attention to him
1329
01:01:51.030 --> 01:01:54.090
because she thinks he's kind of douchey. And he keeps
1330
01:01:54.130 --> 01:01:55.690
trying to get her attention. She's like, no, no, no.
1331
01:01:55.730 --> 01:01:58.230
And she drops what she's like working on, bends down
1332
01:01:58.269 --> 01:02:00.190
to get it. And that's when she sees he's got hooves.
1333
01:02:00.780 --> 01:02:03.590
So then she knows this is a stragoi.
1334
01:02:03.650 --> 01:02:05.550
This is not a normal guy.
1335
01:02:06.150 --> 01:02:08.630
And so then she tells like her friends, I'm sorry,
1336
01:02:08.650 --> 01:02:10.530
I'm just going to go to the bathroom for like
1337
01:02:10.550 --> 01:02:10.730
a minute.
1338
01:02:10.750 --> 01:02:12.250
I'm just going to duck out and stuff. And so
1339
01:02:12.289 --> 01:02:15.929
she slips away. And the stragoi guy is like, what happened?
1340
01:02:15.949 --> 01:02:16.570
Where is she?
1341
01:02:16.630 --> 01:02:18.230
And stuff. Because he notices she's not there anymore. And
1342
01:02:18.250 --> 01:02:19.110
they're like, I don't know.
1343
01:02:19.170 --> 01:02:19.750
She'll be back.
1344
01:02:19.769 --> 01:02:21.090
But she never shows back up.
1345
01:02:21.670 --> 01:02:26.119
So he kills everybody in the party. streams their guts
1346
01:02:26.260 --> 01:02:30.000
up like streamers and stuff like that and positions their
1347
01:02:30.059 --> 01:02:32.099
heads in the windows with the lips cut off to
1348
01:02:32.119 --> 01:02:35.000
look like they're laughing. So anyone walking by just thinks
1349
01:02:35.039 --> 01:02:37.579
it's a fun party and then he chases after her.
1350
01:02:40.679 --> 01:02:43.519
That is the sickest thing i've ever heard.
1351
01:02:43.199 --> 01:02:46.760
That's wild and so he chases after her and like
1352
01:02:46.840 --> 01:02:50.449
she does things like like uh because vampires are ocd
1353
01:02:50.510 --> 01:02:53.110
she she throws crumpled linen in his way and he
1354
01:02:53.130 --> 01:02:54.429
has to stop and he has to straighten out and
1355
01:02:54.469 --> 01:02:58.150
fold the linen and things like that and um So
1356
01:02:58.170 --> 01:02:59.909
she does all these things to try to, like, keep
1357
01:02:59.929 --> 01:03:02.559
him away. And, like, one variation gets even wilder in
1358
01:03:02.599 --> 01:03:05.440
that she, like, finds this little house. And there's, like,
1359
01:03:05.480 --> 01:03:07.199
this guy that's, like, sleeping on the hearth. And she, like,
1360
01:03:07.219 --> 01:03:09.599
goes in there to, like, try to, like, just keep
1361
01:03:09.659 --> 01:03:11.480
away from the strogoy. But then it turns out the
1362
01:03:11.530 --> 01:03:13.489
guy on the hearth is also a strogoy. And then
1363
01:03:13.510 --> 01:03:15.949
when the first strogoy comes, they both, like, fight each other.
1364
01:03:15.989 --> 01:03:17.949
And she's just like, oh, no. And she just, like, leaves.
1365
01:03:18.030 --> 01:03:19.989
And then the sun shows up and they disappear.
1366
01:03:20.010 --> 01:03:20.289
Yeah.
1367
01:03:22.300 --> 01:03:25.530
That's like the earliest precursor to Twilight I've ever heard.
1368
01:03:25.550 --> 01:03:29.289
And then the other Storgoi, and then they fight. But
1369
01:03:29.309 --> 01:03:30.039
then the sun comes up.
1370
01:03:31.190 --> 01:03:34.409
But yeah, there's lots of variations of that party story.
1371
01:03:34.889 --> 01:03:38.349
But inevitably, everyone in the party ends up dying and,
1372
01:03:38.469 --> 01:03:42.090
of course, getting just decorated. Yeah, useless decorations.
1373
01:03:43.670 --> 01:03:45.750
That one's epic for so many reasons.
1374
01:03:45.769 --> 01:03:47.130
Well, first of all, it also gives you a better
1375
01:03:47.170 --> 01:03:49.170
concept of kind of like what the fear of the
1376
01:03:49.230 --> 01:03:56.739
Storgoi was because... I mean, you're talking vicious, but also morbid. Like,
1377
01:03:56.780 --> 01:03:57.840
there's a lot there.
1378
01:03:58.179 --> 01:04:02.519
Well, so one of the fun history things about that is,
1379
01:04:03.079 --> 01:04:04.760
so the whole cutting the lips away to look like
1380
01:04:04.780 --> 01:04:07.780
they're laughing is actually something that came out of, because,
1381
01:04:07.800 --> 01:04:10.090
you know, there's a lot of conflict between, like, Turkey
1382
01:04:10.170 --> 01:04:11.889
and that region and Romania and stuff.
1383
01:04:12.210 --> 01:04:13.650
And that was one of the things that was done.
1384
01:04:13.829 --> 01:04:16.449
I genuinely forget which side did it, but one side
1385
01:04:16.489 --> 01:04:18.730
did it to demoralize the other, where they would take
1386
01:04:19.280 --> 01:04:21.420
the the heads of the troops and they would cut
1387
01:04:21.460 --> 01:04:23.420
away the lips to look like they're just like this
1388
01:04:23.500 --> 01:04:27.320
vicious grin and stuff um and so i think that
1389
01:04:27.360 --> 01:04:29.440
just kind of got into like the psyche into the
1390
01:04:29.489 --> 01:04:32.789
cultural mindset of like oh that's messed up and so
1391
01:04:32.869 --> 01:04:35.329
that worked its way into their folklore and this is
1392
01:04:35.349 --> 01:04:36.869
something that the struggle i would do.
1393
01:04:36.750 --> 01:04:39.889
No that makes that makes a ton of sense and
1394
01:04:39.989 --> 01:04:41.510
you know regardless of which side it is i'm sure
1395
01:04:41.530 --> 01:04:45.320
both sides were really lovely to each other you know
1396
01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:47.599
just just i mean war is bad enough but let's
1397
01:04:47.619 --> 01:04:49.659
do war like you know a thousand years yeah i'm
1398
01:04:49.699 --> 01:04:51.980
sure they were it was fine they were all super
1399
01:04:52.019 --> 01:04:53.559
duper nice.
1400
01:04:53.300 --> 01:04:56.099
And friendly and it was really they were just playing
1401
01:04:56.159 --> 01:04:57.880
chess and they were just having a good.
1402
01:04:57.760 --> 01:05:02.659
Time yeah it's different but it's nice.
1403
01:05:02.280 --> 01:05:04.420
Yeah it's fine they were just yeah and then they're
1404
01:05:04.460 --> 01:05:06.400
like well it's nighttime we're just all gonna go back
1405
01:05:06.460 --> 01:05:08.159
and go sleep now okay we'll see you.
1406
01:05:08.079 --> 01:05:13.809
Tomorrow I also love that she sees the hooves, which
1407
01:05:14.210 --> 01:05:17.750
immediately made me think of the Deer Woman legends. How,
1408
01:05:17.929 --> 01:05:20.769
you know, the times where the Deer Woman wouldn't get
1409
01:05:20.809 --> 01:05:23.300
to trample a guy to death for being a jerk
1410
01:05:24.019 --> 01:05:26.300
were because he would spot the hooves and remember the
1411
01:05:26.360 --> 01:05:28.980
stories from when he was a kid.
1412
01:05:29.039 --> 01:05:30.380
And then he would be like, I have to.
1413
01:05:32.769 --> 01:05:35.789
Run this way really fast, you know, like I gotta go.
1414
01:05:36.170 --> 01:05:38.050
So, but I love that because I love when like
1415
01:05:38.489 --> 01:05:42.489
there's intersection that literally can't really, they can't really inform
1416
01:05:42.530 --> 01:05:46.179
each other, but we have those moments of spontaneous creation
1417
01:05:47.079 --> 01:05:50.500
throughout all of human history where people completely unrelated who
1418
01:05:50.519 --> 01:05:53.800
maybe could never communicate at all in any way, let
1419
01:05:53.840 --> 01:05:58.320
alone directly, would just have almost the same concept come about.
1420
01:05:58.460 --> 01:05:59.800
I love that stuff too.
1421
01:05:59.840 --> 01:06:03.090
I just think that's so so interesting it says something
1422
01:06:03.150 --> 01:06:05.329
about you know us at a species level that like
1423
01:06:05.369 --> 01:06:09.309
we find similar things scary or similar things threatening without
1424
01:06:09.469 --> 01:06:15.070
any relation beyond being the same species so man uh
1425
01:06:15.400 --> 01:06:18.340
all right so we we did the drinking blood they're
1426
01:06:18.360 --> 01:06:22.000
not a vd parable like the other vampires i strongly
1427
01:06:22.059 --> 01:06:24.739
believe that that you know dracula was like a vd
1428
01:06:24.780 --> 01:06:26.300
parable i really really.
1429
01:06:26.039 --> 01:06:30.300
Do I mean, they were, besides being plague explanations, they
1430
01:06:30.340 --> 01:06:34.150
also were stranger danger ones. Like that story with the party.
1431
01:06:34.329 --> 01:06:37.269
So even though it's not about, you know, VG, it's still.
1432
01:06:37.150 --> 01:06:40.710
About, hey, young ladies, don't go off with random guys
1433
01:06:40.789 --> 01:06:43.159
because they might be a sort of guy kind of thing.
1434
01:06:44.960 --> 01:06:45.980
And they might be, I mean.
1435
01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:48.599
Yeah, they might be an actual monster, you know.
1436
01:06:50.719 --> 01:06:51.739
Anything with garlic?
1437
01:06:51.760 --> 01:06:51.900
Garlic?
1438
01:06:52.500 --> 01:06:52.860
Yes.
1439
01:06:53.360 --> 01:06:57.300
So that's one of the few things. So garlic does
1440
01:06:57.460 --> 01:07:02.929
repel strigoi. It also repels the strega. So both of
1441
01:07:02.989 --> 01:07:07.829
the strixy thingies. In fact, there's evidently a little song.
1442
01:07:07.949 --> 01:07:11.630
So the strega like to project themselves as like little
1443
01:07:11.650 --> 01:07:13.550
dancing lights and they like all like hang out with
1444
01:07:13.590 --> 01:07:15.210
each other and stuff. And one of the songs they
1445
01:07:15.230 --> 01:07:17.130
sing is about how they'll never, never go in a
1446
01:07:17.150 --> 01:07:18.090
house that has garlic.
1447
01:07:18.110 --> 01:07:18.949
Yeah.
1448
01:07:20.070 --> 01:07:20.250
Yeah.
1449
01:07:22.579 --> 01:07:24.880
That's just, that's just a great, that's just great in
1450
01:07:24.940 --> 01:07:25.460
every way.
1451
01:07:25.539 --> 01:07:27.480
I'd like to think even though, you know, back then
1452
01:07:27.519 --> 01:07:29.699
there weren't like major corporations, I like to think that
1453
01:07:29.739 --> 01:07:32.380
it was, it was just all a scheme from big garlic.
1454
01:07:32.440 --> 01:07:34.719
There was just like one garlic company that sold to
1455
01:07:34.800 --> 01:07:36.739
all of Eastern Europe. That was like, we got to
1456
01:07:36.760 --> 01:07:39.750
write a jingle. This is the Sturgoy, hate garlic.
1457
01:07:41.070 --> 01:07:42.869
But then they would. And so like there's certain times
1458
01:07:42.909 --> 01:07:46.809
of the year where Sturgoy are more active and stuff.
1459
01:07:46.929 --> 01:07:50.130
And you were supposed to basically just like kind of rub, uh,
1460
01:07:50.309 --> 01:07:53.099
every entranceway and stuff and like your cows and everything
1461
01:07:53.119 --> 01:07:58.480
with garlic. So rub garlic all over your windows and, um, your,
1462
01:07:58.559 --> 01:08:00.840
your key holes and around your chimney. Cause that's where
1463
01:08:00.880 --> 01:08:02.780
they like to come in is through the key holes,
1464
01:08:02.840 --> 01:08:05.340
through the chimneys and stuff and put it on your
1465
01:08:05.380 --> 01:08:08.260
livestock and things so that they won't bite your cows
1466
01:08:08.340 --> 01:08:09.219
and eat your cows.
1467
01:08:09.280 --> 01:08:11.590
And yeah. Yeah. Don't bite my cows guy.
1468
01:08:11.949 --> 01:08:13.570
No. Well, that was one of the signs that there
1469
01:08:13.590 --> 01:08:16.250
was a stragoi in the areas that your livestock.
1470
01:08:15.809 --> 01:08:16.649
Was dying off.
1471
01:08:17.239 --> 01:08:17.439
Yeah.
1472
01:08:17.460 --> 01:08:20.100
Which makes so much sense, too, because that just happens.
1473
01:08:20.659 --> 01:08:21.189
Yeah.
1474
01:08:21.250 --> 01:08:23.090
I mean, that just happens when you have a farm,
1475
01:08:23.289 --> 01:08:25.850
a big farm, especially and especially, you know, in the
1476
01:08:25.869 --> 01:08:26.770
days when, you know.
1477
01:08:28.170 --> 01:08:28.970
And the disease.
1478
01:08:29.010 --> 01:08:29.390
Yeah.
1479
01:08:29.989 --> 01:08:31.550
And again, spreading diseases.
1480
01:08:31.770 --> 01:08:33.850
And you don't know why all your animals are starting
1481
01:08:33.890 --> 01:08:35.680
to die because you don't know how diseases work back
1482
01:08:35.729 --> 01:08:36.439
then and stuff.
1483
01:08:36.460 --> 01:08:36.560
Yeah.
1484
01:08:36.989 --> 01:08:39.609
So it must be because one of the recent people
1485
01:08:39.630 --> 01:08:41.489
who died must be a suragoi and they're coming and
1486
01:08:41.510 --> 01:08:42.939
eating your cattle, the jerk.
1487
01:08:43.020 --> 01:08:43.319
Yeah.
1488
01:08:43.680 --> 01:08:44.539
Yeah, really.
1489
01:08:45.140 --> 01:08:46.600
First thing I would do if I had like five
1490
01:08:46.640 --> 01:08:48.220
cows dead is I'd be like, I'm baking a loaf
1491
01:08:48.239 --> 01:08:50.239
of bread right now. And then if it tastes like shit,
1492
01:08:50.859 --> 01:08:54.529
I'm going to the cemetery right now. And I got
1493
01:08:54.550 --> 01:08:58.510
some lighter fluid. I got my ginsu knives. I'm taking
1494
01:08:58.569 --> 01:09:01.899
care of this today. i don't care that it's saturday i'm.
1495
01:09:01.840 --> 01:09:03.720
Doing it oh no that's actually the best day oh
1496
01:09:04.640 --> 01:09:08.439
really yes can't rise on a saturday that's the one
1497
01:09:08.479 --> 01:09:10.170
day they can't ride so that is the best day
1498
01:09:10.210 --> 01:09:11.869
to go dig up and dispatch a.
1499
01:09:12.449 --> 01:09:16.390
That makes me a little nervous though Because that sounds
1500
01:09:16.489 --> 01:09:21.750
like a little shade of anti-Semitism in there.
1501
01:09:21.789 --> 01:09:25.340
Well, there's lots of seven-day advent and stuff.
1502
01:09:25.380 --> 01:09:25.800
Yeah, that's true.
1503
01:09:28.909 --> 01:09:31.310
And I think in Europe, they had kind of a
1504
01:09:31.350 --> 01:09:33.689
different concept of the week and stuff than we do.
1505
01:09:33.729 --> 01:09:35.390
So I think it's more of lingering of that. It's
1506
01:09:35.449 --> 01:09:38.850
the final day of the week. It's the day of rest.
1507
01:09:38.869 --> 01:09:41.189
Yeah, that's fair, too. There are every now and then
1508
01:09:41.210 --> 01:09:43.760
you'll read something and be like, it sounds a little
1509
01:09:44.069 --> 01:09:46.500
bit like... Because it's also, it's not about what Jewish
1510
01:09:46.539 --> 01:09:49.140
people actually did. It's about what people who didn't understand
1511
01:09:49.180 --> 01:09:49.720
them thought.
1512
01:09:49.739 --> 01:09:50.000
Yeah.
1513
01:09:50.260 --> 01:09:53.600
Yeah, and to be fair, a lot of the Victorian
1514
01:09:53.680 --> 01:09:58.079
era stuff, the changes that they made did have elements
1515
01:09:58.220 --> 01:10:00.390
of the anti-Semitism and stuff on it because there was
1516
01:10:00.409 --> 01:10:03.590
a lot of xenophobic fear and stuff that was happening
1517
01:10:03.649 --> 01:10:06.850
at that time. And that bled over, of course, into
1518
01:10:07.569 --> 01:10:10.500
its thing because, as you know, with a horror person,
1519
01:10:11.479 --> 01:10:16.409
cultural fears and stuff... work their way in to the
1520
01:10:16.430 --> 01:10:18.069
modern horror and stuff. Yeah.
1521
01:10:18.350 --> 01:10:20.909
It's like, we don't even realize that we're trying to understand,
1522
01:10:21.109 --> 01:10:23.489
like when we're writing the stories that we're actually trying
1523
01:10:23.510 --> 01:10:26.880
to understand what we're afraid of to some extent, um, or,
1524
01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:29.800
or at least, you know, a burden, a burden shared is,
1525
01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:32.579
you know, I'll share what I'm afraid of with everybody.
1526
01:10:32.619 --> 01:10:35.680
Then now it's all everyone's problem. My, my fear of the, the,
1527
01:10:35.739 --> 01:10:37.939
the dog with the three mouths, that's everybody's problem. Now
1528
01:10:37.979 --> 01:10:39.710
I just shared it. Like I told you all about it.
1529
01:10:40.220 --> 01:10:44.640
That's everybody's now. But that's really fascinating, though. So Saturday
1530
01:10:44.680 --> 01:10:45.979
is a good day to do it, which is good
1531
01:10:46.000 --> 01:10:49.199
because most people are off work, too. So, you know,
1532
01:10:49.220 --> 01:10:54.680
go take care of that. So I'd heard a story
1533
01:10:55.600 --> 01:10:57.319
about I don't know if it was specifically Romania. It
1534
01:10:57.340 --> 01:10:59.539
might have been it was in that area that there
1535
01:10:59.560 --> 01:11:04.289
were that there were eras where they would, you know,
1536
01:11:04.310 --> 01:11:06.890
put a bulletin saying, like, we're pretty certain there's some
1537
01:11:06.930 --> 01:11:10.149
kind of vampire there. Like we found evidence or whatever,
1538
01:11:10.520 --> 01:11:12.970
you know, so, you know, prepare and do this and
1539
01:11:12.989 --> 01:11:16.369
that and this and that. And then I guess later on,
1540
01:11:17.470 --> 01:11:20.020
some researchers found that there actually may have been a
1541
01:11:21.039 --> 01:11:24.699
difference in context that later in history, it may have
1542
01:11:24.880 --> 01:11:27.960
not actually been that that village believed straight up in
1543
01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:30.560
like some kind of vampire. it may have become a
1544
01:11:30.640 --> 01:11:34.810
reason to throw parties and spend time together and cook food.
1545
01:11:35.369 --> 01:11:37.470
And that it was actually more tongue in cheek, like
1546
01:11:37.550 --> 01:11:40.310
not always, but like, but they, cause they would find this,
1547
01:11:40.350 --> 01:11:42.029
this evidence of like, you know, Oh, this had been
1548
01:11:42.069 --> 01:11:44.149
published all over this village, like the vampires loose.
1549
01:11:44.510 --> 01:11:46.229
And they'd be like, Oh, it's kind of late in
1550
01:11:46.250 --> 01:11:48.109
the era. Like, I guess they were cavemen.
1551
01:11:48.130 --> 01:11:50.609
And then years later, somebody was like, What we're finding
1552
01:11:50.649 --> 01:11:52.989
is suggesting that when they thought there was a vampire,
1553
01:11:53.010 --> 01:11:56.430
they would all cook garlicky food and throw a dance.
1554
01:11:57.289 --> 01:11:59.149
And it was a really good time to meet a
1555
01:11:59.210 --> 01:12:03.699
future husband or wife. And I just love that, too, because, again,
1556
01:12:03.800 --> 01:12:07.079
humans are just humans. So as time went on and
1557
01:12:07.100 --> 01:12:10.539
there was no vampire ripping everybody apart, they'd be like, hey,
1558
01:12:10.579 --> 01:12:11.739
this is kind of fun.
1559
01:12:12.439 --> 01:12:14.579
And, I mean, it might have evolved out of.
1560
01:12:14.880 --> 01:12:17.100
So, again, they are more active during certain parts of
1561
01:12:17.119 --> 01:12:19.500
the year, and I forgot which holiday it is. But
1562
01:12:19.520 --> 01:12:23.609
there is a particular holiday that they're usually very active on.
1563
01:12:24.210 --> 01:12:29.090
And what villagers would do is they would stay up
1564
01:12:29.149 --> 01:12:32.989
all night telling each other stories. Because as long as
1565
01:12:33.010 --> 01:12:37.819
you're telling a story, then the strogoy can't get to you. Oh, okay.
1566
01:12:38.479 --> 01:12:40.920
And so I could see it being something like that
1567
01:12:40.960 --> 01:12:43.859
where there's this particular holiday where everybody would get together
1568
01:12:44.090 --> 01:12:47.289
and like, you know, swap stories or have a dance
1569
01:12:47.449 --> 01:12:49.470
or do some other kind of thing where it's people
1570
01:12:49.529 --> 01:12:53.510
gathered together. And strength in numbers, therefore, you know, the
1571
01:12:53.550 --> 01:12:55.970
bad thing can't get you. And that evolving into, like,
1572
01:12:56.069 --> 01:12:59.470
a fun local festival that would happen every year. Like,
1573
01:12:59.510 --> 01:13:00.189
that would make sense.
1574
01:13:00.270 --> 01:13:00.949
That would, yeah.
1575
01:13:01.350 --> 01:13:05.340
And knowing the Eastern European friends that I've had, I
1576
01:13:05.359 --> 01:13:07.500
wouldn't be surprised if as, like, the actual fear of
1577
01:13:07.520 --> 01:13:11.739
the Strigoi or things like that diminished, it started to become,
1578
01:13:11.800 --> 01:13:12.079
you know.
1579
01:13:13.539 --> 01:13:15.899
Like the grandmothers of the village or whatever, noticing like,
1580
01:13:15.939 --> 01:13:17.939
it's been a while since we had some marriages.
1581
01:13:18.960 --> 01:13:20.840
Maybe we should have a, an event.
1582
01:13:20.899 --> 01:13:23.359
Maybe we should have one of those events, a mixer, basically,
1583
01:13:23.380 --> 01:13:25.460
you know, just get everybody together, tell some fun stories,
1584
01:13:25.520 --> 01:13:27.859
eat some food, have a big fire, play music.
1585
01:13:28.520 --> 01:13:29.289
And, uh, we got it.
1586
01:13:29.279 --> 01:13:30.710
Cause we got to get these kids. We got to
1587
01:13:30.729 --> 01:13:33.470
get kids. We got to get kids in this village.
1588
01:13:33.510 --> 01:13:35.180
Like it's, you know, like we got it.
1589
01:13:35.590 --> 01:13:37.090
Now I will say, I don't think like, so it
1590
01:13:37.130 --> 01:13:41.060
has diminished some, but it's not fully, uh, uh, exterminated
1591
01:13:41.140 --> 01:13:43.479
this concept of the strugoi and stuff over there. So
1592
01:13:43.560 --> 01:13:50.840
I have a friend who is a forensic pathologist. And
1593
01:13:50.939 --> 01:13:55.260
back when she was in school, her professor got got
1594
01:13:55.300 --> 01:13:58.520
a request from somewhere over in Romania that was like, hey,
1595
01:13:58.560 --> 01:14:00.659
we have this corpse we think is a vampire.
1596
01:14:00.760 --> 01:14:02.239
Can you come and verify? And he's like, no, I
1597
01:14:02.260 --> 01:14:03.979
don't need to. It's not a vampire.
1598
01:14:05.069 --> 01:14:05.609
Wow.
1599
01:14:05.630 --> 01:14:08.529
Which is exactly what somebody who's in the pocket of
1600
01:14:08.649 --> 01:14:10.890
vampires would say, by the way.
1601
01:14:10.909 --> 01:14:14.930
You work for big vampires. Yeah, you work for big vampires.
1602
01:14:15.350 --> 01:14:17.579
Which I guess is just Dracula, but you know.
1603
01:14:19.670 --> 01:14:21.930
No that's that no i mean i i believe that
1604
01:14:21.949 --> 01:14:25.710
i mean like superstitions are a weird thing um because
1605
01:14:25.770 --> 01:14:28.600
some people can fully believe them some people can believe
1606
01:14:28.640 --> 01:14:32.920
them um half-heartedly or ironically or for the amusement and
1607
01:14:33.079 --> 01:14:35.239
or the joy of their culture which is kind of
1608
01:14:35.260 --> 01:14:37.039
what i was thinking like um it's kind of like
1609
01:14:37.279 --> 01:14:40.859
halloween became um in some ways because i've thought about
1610
01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:44.659
this a lot um how Halloween is, because it's really
1611
01:14:44.739 --> 01:14:48.050
a relatively new, the literal Halloween is a relatively new thing,
1612
01:14:48.319 --> 01:14:51.789
but all the stuff it kind of conglomerated is, you know,
1613
01:14:51.850 --> 01:14:52.350
very old.
1614
01:14:52.609 --> 01:14:53.350
Similar to Christmas.
1615
01:14:53.409 --> 01:14:56.229
The kind of Christmas we know is relatively new, but like,
1616
01:14:56.630 --> 01:14:58.649
you know, a lot of those celebrations were being done
1617
01:14:58.670 --> 01:15:01.460
in different ways. You know, whether they were originally Christian
1618
01:15:01.500 --> 01:15:03.850
or they were elsewhere, there were a lot of things
1619
01:15:03.890 --> 01:15:05.949
that people were doing around those times of year or
1620
01:15:05.989 --> 01:15:07.930
when they thought was the time of year, you know,
1621
01:15:07.949 --> 01:15:10.529
then stuff like that, which I always found fascinating. But
1622
01:15:10.550 --> 01:15:15.119
then with Halloween, especially, I had a weird realization because
1623
01:15:15.140 --> 01:15:18.529
when I was growing up, At Halloween, like the coolest
1624
01:15:18.609 --> 01:15:22.819
places to go, the most awesome places to be were
1625
01:15:22.979 --> 01:15:26.779
all church things. They had all of the best haunted houses.
1626
01:15:26.819 --> 01:15:28.039
They would do the thing, you know, where you put
1627
01:15:28.060 --> 01:15:31.800
your hand through the curtain and you touch spaghetti and
1628
01:15:31.819 --> 01:15:34.399
it would be worms and, you know, and peeled grapes
1629
01:15:34.430 --> 01:15:38.289
were eyeballs. That was the era I grew up in
1630
01:15:38.909 --> 01:15:40.710
was that you would go to these churches and they'd
1631
01:15:40.729 --> 01:15:42.649
have like in the rec center, they'd have like something
1632
01:15:42.689 --> 01:15:46.109
scary and people would dress up and it was really goofy.
1633
01:15:47.289 --> 01:15:48.909
And then a few years later, I noticed like I
1634
01:15:48.909 --> 01:15:50.390
had friends who would say like, oh, the religious people
1635
01:15:50.430 --> 01:15:52.010
hated Halloween around here.
1636
01:15:52.050 --> 01:15:53.729
And I'd be like, really? Yeah.
1637
01:15:53.789 --> 01:15:55.510
Where I was, it was like the Methodist church was
1638
01:15:55.529 --> 01:15:58.149
like the first place you went if you wanted to
1639
01:15:58.189 --> 01:15:59.810
have some fun on Halloween.
1640
01:16:00.689 --> 01:16:02.899
So I started thinking about it more and looking into
1641
01:16:02.909 --> 01:16:03.060
it more.
1642
01:16:03.069 --> 01:16:05.500
And then as I'm doing Weekly Spooky, I, of course,
1643
01:16:06.260 --> 01:16:08.100
the number one folklore I want to learn about is
1644
01:16:08.119 --> 01:16:10.760
Halloween because Halloween is a state of mind. It's who
1645
01:16:10.779 --> 01:16:12.699
you are in your heart. And then you get to
1646
01:16:12.800 --> 01:16:15.159
let it blow out of you and make everybody happy.
1647
01:16:16.439 --> 01:16:20.149
at least in October without scaring anybody. So I was,
1648
01:16:20.189 --> 01:16:21.810
I was looking into it some more and I found
1649
01:16:21.890 --> 01:16:27.250
some like booklets of how to celebrate Halloween from like 1920, 1930.
1650
01:16:27.250 --> 01:16:30.189
We actually read one on a, on an app on
1651
01:16:30.229 --> 01:16:32.430
a show. And it was hilarious because we started to
1652
01:16:32.449 --> 01:16:35.640
notice it kept mentioning crepe paper and And then all
1653
01:16:35.659 --> 01:16:37.689
of a sudden I realized it was literally distributed by
1654
01:16:37.699 --> 01:16:42.470
a crepe paper company. And it was, it was leaned
1655
01:16:42.529 --> 01:16:45.789
heavily on crepe paper, but it wasn't everything was crepe paper.
1656
01:16:45.810 --> 01:16:47.789
I mean, it had just, you know, party games and
1657
01:16:47.829 --> 01:16:49.729
stuff like that. And occasionally you'd like make a decoration.
1658
01:16:49.750 --> 01:16:51.550
It would recommend you use crepe paper for it. So
1659
01:16:51.569 --> 01:16:53.369
it was like, it was a little, yeah, a little
1660
01:16:53.409 --> 01:16:56.789
guide for celebrating Halloween. Cause it was relatively new, but
1661
01:16:57.489 --> 01:16:59.829
the funniest thing though, cause I've, I've known people who,
1662
01:16:59.949 --> 01:17:03.000
you know, don't love Halloween, you know, for religious reasons
1663
01:17:03.020 --> 01:17:04.920
or whatever. And I'm always like, that's so weird because
1664
01:17:04.939 --> 01:17:08.479
it's like silly. When you look at how they celebrated
1665
01:17:08.520 --> 01:17:12.109
Halloween in like the 20s and 30s, it was super occult-y.
1666
01:17:12.470 --> 01:17:17.310
It was everything was seances. Everything was like communing. Everything
1667
01:17:17.350 --> 01:17:19.090
was like you look in the dark in the mirror
1668
01:17:19.130 --> 01:17:20.970
and you summon a spirit and then they'll show you
1669
01:17:20.989 --> 01:17:24.109
like the face of your future husband. Everything, everything was
1670
01:17:24.210 --> 01:17:28.289
actually pretty like weirdly occult-y you know I grew up
1671
01:17:28.329 --> 01:17:29.850
it was like yeah please.
1672
01:17:29.689 --> 01:17:32.010
Well there was like the spiritualism thing and stuff like
1673
01:17:32.029 --> 01:17:32.890
that that was like.
1674
01:17:32.710 --> 01:17:34.930
Yeah yeah yeah so that was at its height then.
1675
01:17:34.869 --> 01:17:37.289
Yeah it was so that was that makes sense that
1676
01:17:37.310 --> 01:17:38.149
they would have like.
1677
01:17:37.970 --> 01:17:39.630
Seances and things like that.
1678
01:17:39.489 --> 01:17:41.720
And then it started to make me realize like now
1679
01:17:41.800 --> 01:17:44.600
I get why if you grew up like then you
1680
01:17:45.020 --> 01:17:47.340
might be like all they do is worship dark stuff
1681
01:17:47.380 --> 01:17:49.949
when they when they do Halloween because it's like I
1682
01:17:49.989 --> 01:17:52.310
never went to a Halloween party where we like did
1683
01:17:52.430 --> 01:17:54.210
weird seances and stuff.
1684
01:17:54.310 --> 01:17:55.789
Like we didn't do that.
1685
01:17:55.810 --> 01:17:59.420
I think it also is like a regional thing too,
1686
01:17:59.479 --> 01:18:04.100
because where I lived in central Florida, I never encountered
1687
01:18:04.140 --> 01:18:06.220
anyone with an issue with Halloween. But when I moved
1688
01:18:06.340 --> 01:18:09.359
to the mountains of North Carolina, there were friends that
1689
01:18:09.380 --> 01:18:12.270
weren't allowed to dress up or do anything Halloween related
1690
01:18:12.430 --> 01:18:13.750
and stuff like that because it.
1691
01:18:13.750 --> 01:18:15.140
Was It's the devil.
1692
01:18:17.579 --> 01:18:19.720
But down in Central Florida, my friend brought me to
1693
01:18:19.779 --> 01:18:23.899
her Baptist church for the Halloween thing and stuff.
1694
01:18:23.979 --> 01:18:25.319
It was the coolest.
1695
01:18:25.579 --> 01:18:28.500
Yeah. I mean, the only thing is that the church thing,
1696
01:18:28.520 --> 01:18:31.020
you weren't allowed to dress as any type of demon
1697
01:18:31.100 --> 01:18:34.890
or witch thing. And one year I did go as Elvira.
1698
01:18:35.729 --> 01:18:37.529
I was a little kid, but it was after I
1699
01:18:37.630 --> 01:18:38.670
had watched her movie.
1700
01:18:38.689 --> 01:18:38.770
Lost.
1701
01:18:40.670 --> 01:18:44.119
And so I went there in a child-appropriate Elvira costume.
1702
01:18:44.539 --> 01:18:48.050
And whenever one of the church people was like, what
1703
01:18:48.090 --> 01:18:49.750
are you dressed as? I was like, I know it's
1704
01:18:49.810 --> 01:18:53.600
a witch, but she's a good witch. So it's okay.
1705
01:18:53.619 --> 01:18:54.460
She was a good witch.
1706
01:18:54.619 --> 01:18:56.810
That was the whole point of the movie. I was like, no,
1707
01:18:56.819 --> 01:18:58.560
you have to watch the movie. She's a good witch.
1708
01:18:58.619 --> 01:19:04.460
It's okay. That's so cute. No, but more so, why
1709
01:19:04.479 --> 01:19:05.880
do you have those balloons in here?
1710
01:19:06.000 --> 01:19:10.460
No, I said it was child appropriate. I know.
1711
01:19:10.539 --> 01:19:12.390
I mean, if it was Elvira, she would make that joke.
1712
01:19:12.399 --> 01:19:12.899
So you got it.
1713
01:19:13.470 --> 01:19:13.909
That's true.
1714
01:19:14.149 --> 01:19:17.449
But it's just been wild to think about the like
1715
01:19:17.569 --> 01:19:21.609
the dichotomies of like, you know, I like the idea
1716
01:19:21.640 --> 01:19:23.619
that some people grew up and like all they saw
1717
01:19:23.659 --> 01:19:27.399
was like. Ouija boards and like handholding and candles and stuff.
1718
01:19:27.409 --> 01:19:28.979
And I'm like, I don't even think of that as
1719
01:19:29.140 --> 01:19:31.920
even vaguely related to Halloween. I just think of like
1720
01:19:32.020 --> 01:19:35.159
Garfield TV specials and candy, stomachaches and stuff.
1721
01:19:35.199 --> 01:19:37.770
It became more commercialized, kind of.
1722
01:19:37.810 --> 01:19:38.210
Oh, sure.
1723
01:19:38.569 --> 01:19:43.590
Like child targeted and stuff, I think, by the time
1724
01:19:43.630 --> 01:19:44.250
we were kids. Yeah.
1725
01:19:44.810 --> 01:19:46.689
Oh, yeah. Well, and there's and there's a this is
1726
01:19:46.770 --> 01:19:48.310
one of those things I love to talk about because
1727
01:19:48.350 --> 01:19:52.789
it's so painfully nuanced about holidays, especially is sometimes when
1728
01:19:52.810 --> 01:19:55.310
I'll hear somebody say, like, I hate, you know, Christmas,
1729
01:19:55.369 --> 01:19:57.149
it's become so commercial or I hate this because it's
1730
01:19:57.170 --> 01:19:57.869
become so commercial.
1731
01:19:57.909 --> 01:20:00.670
I'm like, commercial is secularized.
1732
01:20:01.109 --> 01:20:01.250
Yes.
1733
01:20:01.270 --> 01:20:01.350
Yeah.
1734
01:20:01.779 --> 01:20:03.420
You know, so it's like, you know, a lot of
1735
01:20:03.460 --> 01:20:04.939
people who would say that to me, I'd be like,
1736
01:20:05.180 --> 01:20:08.729
do you should I demand you be Catholic? I don't
1737
01:20:08.810 --> 01:20:10.970
think that's what because, you know, they're never religious people
1738
01:20:11.010 --> 01:20:12.510
that are saying it's too commercial to me.
1739
01:20:12.529 --> 01:20:13.430
I mean, my friend group.
1740
01:20:13.890 --> 01:20:16.640
So I'm always like, I think that that's the point
1741
01:20:16.699 --> 01:20:19.039
is you can just you and anyone else can go
1742
01:20:19.079 --> 01:20:21.699
to Target and buy the candy canes like it's not
1743
01:20:22.619 --> 01:20:23.420
it's for everybody.
1744
01:20:24.300 --> 01:20:26.279
Versus, you know, being very, you know, niche.
1745
01:20:26.319 --> 01:20:29.579
Yeah, it makes it more inclusive and stuff as opposed to, yeah.
1746
01:20:29.600 --> 01:20:31.859
But it's a double-edged sword. I mean, you know, you
1747
01:20:31.899 --> 01:20:33.270
know they're trying to get your money, but they're also
1748
01:20:33.289 --> 01:20:35.090
trying to sell you fun. So you kind of have
1749
01:20:35.109 --> 01:20:37.630
to balance it. I mean, life is all about balance.
1750
01:20:38.050 --> 01:20:41.649
And no one says that just because, you know, it
1751
01:20:41.710 --> 01:20:44.090
is commercialized that you can't have in your family your
1752
01:20:44.189 --> 01:20:48.449
own traditions and stuff like that to keep it special
1753
01:20:48.640 --> 01:20:49.979
in your own way and stuff.
1754
01:20:50.109 --> 01:20:51.119
Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
1755
01:20:53.750 --> 01:20:55.869
And a lot of that, too, is like, you know,
1756
01:20:55.890 --> 01:21:00.960
being an elder millennial. I'm older than you. No, you're not.
1757
01:21:04.539 --> 01:21:07.140
I don't buy it. And I'm not just trying to
1758
01:21:07.180 --> 01:21:08.859
gas you up. I just don't buy it.
1759
01:21:09.279 --> 01:21:11.649
I was born in 1983.
1760
01:21:11.649 --> 01:21:11.970
What?
1761
01:21:11.989 --> 01:21:13.810
Okay.
1762
01:21:13.829 --> 01:21:16.739
So you and my, my buddy, Michelle, uh, we do
1763
01:21:16.779 --> 01:21:18.760
a talk thing on here called monthly spooky at the
1764
01:21:18.779 --> 01:21:20.600
end of every month where we like read news, creepy
1765
01:21:20.640 --> 01:21:23.859
news stories and stuff. Uh, you both, I'm angry cause
1766
01:21:23.880 --> 01:21:25.819
you're both like the exact same age. And I think
1767
01:21:25.840 --> 01:21:28.659
you both look, uh, I think you both look, you know,
1768
01:21:28.739 --> 01:21:32.470
about four years younger than me. So I'm a little
1769
01:21:32.489 --> 01:21:34.350
mad and I don't think I look that old. I mean,
1770
01:21:34.430 --> 01:21:36.329
as I, as I move, as I move the gray
1771
01:21:36.350 --> 01:21:41.720
on my beard to kind of, uh, But, but no, uh, wow.
1772
01:21:41.760 --> 01:21:43.869
Okay. Well that, well that helps though for like, uh, uh,
1773
01:21:44.239 --> 01:21:45.640
you know, context too. Yeah.
1774
01:21:45.680 --> 01:21:48.619
Well, I'm not going to sit there. This is our
1775
01:21:48.659 --> 01:21:50.859
first like long form conversation outside of the audience. I
1776
01:21:50.859 --> 01:21:51.600
was not going to be like.
1777
01:21:51.800 --> 01:21:54.949
How old are you? Tell me your age right now. But, uh,
1778
01:21:54.979 --> 01:21:56.819
you know, you just don't want to be rude, but
1779
01:21:57.859 --> 01:22:00.090
you know, uh, people want to know how old I am.
1780
01:22:00.100 --> 01:22:01.590
They can do what I do. Go on Wikipedia.
1781
01:22:01.659 --> 01:22:04.649
I forget how the dates work sometimes, but, uh, I've
1782
01:22:04.689 --> 01:22:06.649
done that in my, in my thirties, there was a
1783
01:22:06.670 --> 01:22:09.010
time where I was really like, I was like, that's
1784
01:22:09.029 --> 01:22:17.119
what I'm thinking. I'm like, I'll just check Wikipedia. But, uh, I,
1785
01:22:17.560 --> 01:22:22.189
I just love, uh, seeing like, uh, seeing how everything
1786
01:22:22.229 --> 01:22:25.050
has changed. I get that, you know, there is that
1787
01:22:25.149 --> 01:22:27.010
sense of like, oh, they're just selling us things. But
1788
01:22:27.029 --> 01:22:29.350
then when you go to like, I remember when I
1789
01:22:29.390 --> 01:22:31.090
was in my late twenties, early thirties, and I had
1790
01:22:31.109 --> 01:22:35.140
a lot of friends who were, um, frustrated with holidays
1791
01:22:35.220 --> 01:22:35.579
and stuff.
1792
01:22:36.510 --> 01:22:37.189
And rightfully so.
1793
01:22:37.229 --> 01:22:38.789
I mean, it can be really hard, you know, if
1794
01:22:38.810 --> 01:22:40.810
you don't have a family unit you're close with, or
1795
01:22:40.829 --> 01:22:42.670
if you don't have a unit you're close with. But
1796
01:22:43.010 --> 01:22:44.750
a lot of the friends that were, they had a
1797
01:22:44.789 --> 01:22:47.689
family they were just kind of like annoyed with. And
1798
01:22:47.729 --> 01:22:49.029
I'd tell them, I'd be like, you know that you're like,
1799
01:22:49.149 --> 01:22:50.840
you're the adult in the room, believe it or not.
1800
01:22:51.659 --> 01:22:53.220
Like you can walk in and be like, look, I
1801
01:22:53.239 --> 01:22:55.600
brought a pizza because that's what we do on this
1802
01:22:55.640 --> 01:22:58.319
holiday now. And if you don't like it, I'm bigger
1803
01:22:58.380 --> 01:23:02.039
than you. You know, and then you just start eating
1804
01:23:02.060 --> 01:23:05.899
your pizza. That's what that's what Christmas Eve is now, guys,
1805
01:23:05.920 --> 01:23:07.619
because that's what I can I can fit in because
1806
01:23:07.699 --> 01:23:09.840
I work retail and you don't or whatever it is,
1807
01:23:09.880 --> 01:23:12.279
whatever reason it might be. And I think that it's
1808
01:23:12.399 --> 01:23:15.310
easy to kind of forget that. um, that we are
1809
01:23:15.350 --> 01:23:16.520
kind of in control. That's kind of what I was
1810
01:23:16.529 --> 01:23:18.560
talking about, but like celebrate every holiday, make it your own.
1811
01:23:18.600 --> 01:23:19.060
It's fine.
1812
01:23:19.119 --> 01:23:21.420
Everybody else did. That's the best part about learning this
1813
01:23:21.439 --> 01:23:23.479
kind of stuff is everybody else made it their own.
1814
01:23:23.960 --> 01:23:26.579
It took a while, but you know, eventually somebody had
1815
01:23:26.619 --> 01:23:28.340
to say like, nah, I'm doing it this way. And
1816
01:23:28.359 --> 01:23:29.840
then somebody else was like, oh man, I like that.
1817
01:23:29.939 --> 01:23:32.560
And then, you know, and then nobody remembers who actually
1818
01:23:32.600 --> 01:23:35.289
did it. It's just, everybody does it now. And, and
1819
01:23:35.329 --> 01:23:36.909
that's just about as human as it gets.
1820
01:23:37.369 --> 01:23:37.750
Exactly.
1821
01:23:39.069 --> 01:23:43.489
So is there anything else about the Strigoi that we desperately.
1822
01:23:43.069 --> 01:23:43.510
Need to know?
1823
01:23:45.020 --> 01:23:45.939
They don't turn into bats.
1824
01:23:47.300 --> 01:23:49.680
Do they turn into any kind of animal or have
1825
01:23:49.699 --> 01:23:50.159
a familiar?
1826
01:23:50.600 --> 01:23:57.699
Yes. So there are tales of them turning into cats, dogs, horses,
1827
01:23:58.260 --> 01:24:01.659
and owls, and death's head moth. If you see a
1828
01:24:01.699 --> 01:24:04.260
death's head moth in your house, that is probably a strogoy.
1829
01:24:05.680 --> 01:24:09.979
But not bats. And that makes sense because the only
1830
01:24:10.000 --> 01:24:13.479
bats that are the vampire bats are from the Americas,
1831
01:24:13.840 --> 01:24:17.470
so people in Europe wouldn't have been... The only bats
1832
01:24:17.600 --> 01:24:19.859
that the Europeans would have been exposed to would be
1833
01:24:20.090 --> 01:24:22.869
bats that eat bugs and things like that. There'd be
1834
01:24:22.909 --> 01:24:25.270
little harmless things that you're not going to think are
1835
01:24:25.289 --> 01:24:29.670
very scary, but owls are huge and terrifying and could
1836
01:24:29.770 --> 01:24:31.029
definitely probably eat a baby.
1837
01:24:31.050 --> 01:24:37.270
And then leave a little weird pellet thing.
1838
01:24:37.689 --> 01:24:39.930
No, stuff the baby full of the straw and leave
1839
01:24:39.970 --> 01:24:40.550
it in the crib.
1840
01:24:41.029 --> 01:24:44.630
LAUGHTER I like it's a little song to keep, you know,
1841
01:24:44.649 --> 01:24:47.189
to remind you of the order of incidents.
1842
01:24:47.590 --> 01:24:49.949
Oh, I can just put this wrinkled little prune back in.
1843
01:24:49.989 --> 01:24:55.449
I've got to just stuff it up. Tuck it in
1844
01:24:55.489 --> 01:24:56.880
and no one will know the difference.
1845
01:24:57.760 --> 01:24:58.420
Not a one.
1846
01:24:58.939 --> 01:24:59.180
No.
1847
01:24:59.479 --> 01:25:01.300
So, yeah, so there's that. Oh, and they can also
1848
01:25:01.359 --> 01:25:03.140
come into your house without needing to be invited.
1849
01:25:03.159 --> 01:25:05.239
Okay, that's important too.
1850
01:25:05.600 --> 01:25:06.739
Yes.
1851
01:25:06.960 --> 01:25:09.060
So, because like I said, they will come in through
1852
01:25:09.159 --> 01:25:11.560
keyholes and chimneys. Also, a weird thing is.
1853
01:25:13.289 --> 01:25:15.550
I read about how one of the ways to try
1854
01:25:15.569 --> 01:25:17.729
to keep them out besides telling stories all night is
1855
01:25:18.229 --> 01:25:24.079
putting your furniture upside down because evidently they can use
1856
01:25:24.119 --> 01:25:27.420
your furniture. They can control it remotely, I guess, from
1857
01:25:27.460 --> 01:25:29.380
outside to come and open the door for them.
1858
01:25:30.579 --> 01:25:31.239
So if it's.
1859
01:25:31.180 --> 01:25:35.510
Upside down, they can't make that chair walk.
1860
01:25:35.390 --> 01:25:36.130
Over to open the door.
1861
01:25:36.930 --> 01:25:39.430
So there are a few thoughts come to mind immediately
1862
01:25:39.470 --> 01:25:42.229
about that concept that makes it infinitely funnier to me.
1863
01:25:43.739 --> 01:25:44.420
Number one.
1864
01:25:44.439 --> 01:25:48.079
Well, actually, I think actually they all feed into one thing,
1865
01:25:48.100 --> 01:25:51.829
which is it sounds like some housewife who got, like,
1866
01:25:51.909 --> 01:25:56.630
lazy or just didn't care, like, that she invented that idea. No,
1867
01:25:56.649 --> 01:26:01.039
because hear me out. The bread doesn't taste good. That's
1868
01:26:01.319 --> 01:26:02.579
a Strigoi's fault.
1869
01:26:02.880 --> 01:26:04.119
Yeah, it's totally.
1870
01:26:05.069 --> 01:26:07.510
I slammed my knee on this chair. That's upside down.
1871
01:26:07.529 --> 01:26:11.729
In reality, she, she, uh, was, uh, the other.
1872
01:26:11.750 --> 01:26:11.829
Yeah.
1873
01:26:14.010 --> 01:26:15.399
But it's like, I hit my leg on this. Oh,
1874
01:26:15.420 --> 01:26:18.060
the Strigoi moves furniture, dude. It's not that I was like,
1875
01:26:18.079 --> 01:26:21.039
I moved it to sweep and then decided to go outside.
1876
01:26:21.140 --> 01:26:23.100
Cause I was, you know, I wanted to, I don't
1877
01:26:23.119 --> 01:26:25.340
know what people did back then other than clean and
1878
01:26:25.359 --> 01:26:25.880
just work. Yeah.
1879
01:26:25.899 --> 01:26:26.000
Yeah.
1880
01:26:28.880 --> 01:26:30.840
But that's just funny to me. It's like, oh, it
1881
01:26:30.859 --> 01:26:36.819
sounds like a lot of, like, minor domestic inconveniences. Because
1882
01:26:36.859 --> 01:26:38.079
I'm not even trying to be mean. I don't even
1883
01:26:38.100 --> 01:26:41.920
think she's, like, bad at her, like, her wifely duties.
1884
01:26:42.000 --> 01:26:44.050
I'm just saying she's like, she's like, eh, I was
1885
01:26:44.060 --> 01:26:46.210
slipping that week, so I went with a sturgoy.
1886
01:26:46.689 --> 01:26:48.109
Oh, yeah, gosh.
1887
01:26:50.069 --> 01:26:51.789
We've got a real problem with them around here. I
1888
01:26:51.789 --> 01:26:53.489
don't know what's going.
1889
01:26:52.949 --> 01:26:53.689
On, man.
1890
01:26:53.970 --> 01:26:57.640
The furniture's moved around, uh, You know, the bread doesn't
1891
01:26:57.699 --> 01:27:01.319
taste good. You know, I always have a headache at night.
1892
01:27:01.350 --> 01:27:05.729
You know, it's just all Mr. Goy's fault. It's all Mr.
1893
01:27:05.750 --> 01:27:09.390
Goy's. Oh, sorry, please.
1894
01:27:09.449 --> 01:27:11.489
I was just trying to think of any other thing. Oh, yeah.
1895
01:27:11.789 --> 01:27:14.970
I don't think I've encountered anything with mirrors. Okay. They
1896
01:27:14.989 --> 01:27:16.649
could probably still see themselves in the mirror.
1897
01:27:16.670 --> 01:27:17.310
What about silver?
1898
01:27:18.260 --> 01:27:19.640
No. Oh, okay.
1899
01:27:20.020 --> 01:27:20.899
Yeah, nothing to do with silver.
1900
01:27:20.920 --> 01:27:26.319
That one surprises me. Yeah. And, like, I think even
1901
01:27:26.399 --> 01:27:30.520
with werewolf, whenever I did werewolf research, the silver stuff
1902
01:27:30.550 --> 01:27:32.779
was usually from.
1903
01:27:34.359 --> 01:27:35.029
Book stuff.
1904
01:27:35.109 --> 01:27:40.670
It's more from fiction later. Mistletoe and things like that
1905
01:27:40.729 --> 01:27:42.750
are things that I would see in folklore to do
1906
01:27:42.829 --> 01:27:47.109
with werewolves. But honestly, werewolves, more often than not, were
1907
01:27:47.130 --> 01:27:52.449
a type of witch. Whenever they were convicted of lycanthropy,
1908
01:27:52.550 --> 01:27:56.539
it was also of lycanthropy slash witchcraft. and killed because
1909
01:27:56.579 --> 01:27:56.939
of that.
1910
01:27:57.079 --> 01:27:59.510
Yeah um so it was kind of like a combo
1911
01:27:59.520 --> 01:28:03.229
of like familiars kind of thing and like in black
1912
01:28:03.289 --> 01:28:06.630
magic and like uh making yourself a beast for whatever.
1913
01:28:06.409 --> 01:28:09.729
Reason yeah as opposed to like a curse or a disease.
1914
01:28:09.789 --> 01:28:12.859
Yeah although there is well no not not disease stuff
1915
01:28:12.920 --> 01:28:16.100
in uh werewolf lore i know we're getting off of
1916
01:28:16.399 --> 01:28:20.840
topic from but with uh Werewolves, because depending on the things,
1917
01:28:20.859 --> 01:28:22.880
because there'd be some where you'd have to wear the
1918
01:28:22.920 --> 01:28:24.520
skin of a wolf and you could turn into a wolf.
1919
01:28:24.539 --> 01:28:27.710
There is, I think, a Greco-Roman story of a belt
1920
01:28:27.810 --> 01:28:31.149
that did it and things like that. So there would
1921
01:28:31.170 --> 01:28:36.090
be things like that. But oftentimes, like France at one
1922
01:28:36.149 --> 01:28:39.529
point went through a big werewolf boom um, where they
1923
01:28:39.550 --> 01:28:43.109
were just convicting everybody of being a werewolf. Um, yeah,
1924
01:28:43.180 --> 01:28:44.220
they were like that.
1925
01:28:44.579 --> 01:28:45.079
Oh gosh.
1926
01:28:45.140 --> 01:28:49.560
Yeah. Um, uh, and, uh, I want to say it
1927
01:28:49.600 --> 01:28:54.680
was like, oh gosh, golly, I'm trying to do math
1928
01:28:54.739 --> 01:28:55.720
and trying to think, I know it.
1929
01:28:55.699 --> 01:28:57.430
Was maybe the 16 or 1700s.
1930
01:28:57.439 --> 01:29:02.920
I know, um, But, like, so if someone was, like,
1931
01:29:02.960 --> 01:29:05.159
a serial killer or somebody was, like, some other type of, like,
1932
01:29:05.340 --> 01:29:07.159
horrible killer, oh, they were probably a werewolf.
1933
01:29:09.119 --> 01:29:11.020
That's what it was. Of course.
1934
01:29:11.439 --> 01:29:15.149
You can't imagine, like, an actual human being doing these atrocities.
1935
01:29:15.510 --> 01:29:17.770
So they have to be some type of beast thing.
1936
01:29:17.789 --> 01:29:20.279
So therefore they were a werewolf. which also means that
1937
01:29:20.319 --> 01:29:22.430
if you're a werewolf, then you are some type of witch,
1938
01:29:22.590 --> 01:29:24.649
because that's the only way that you can turn yourself
1939
01:29:24.689 --> 01:29:25.020
into that.
1940
01:29:25.050 --> 01:29:26.649
Yeah, how else would you be able to do that,
1941
01:29:26.750 --> 01:29:31.590
you know? It's simple. It's just so obvious. Duh.
1942
01:29:31.670 --> 01:29:34.449
Although, honestly, a lot of the old werewolf stories, so
1943
01:29:34.470 --> 01:29:39.470
just much like the Strogoy is to explain plagues, werewolf things,
1944
01:29:39.670 --> 01:29:41.989
from what I read, it sounds a lot like how
1945
01:29:42.029 --> 01:29:44.869
to explain how this, like a guy that always seemed
1946
01:29:44.949 --> 01:29:47.670
nice just snapped and killed his family kind of thing.
1947
01:29:47.979 --> 01:29:48.479
That makes sense.
1948
01:29:48.520 --> 01:29:51.470
I mean, we still try to figure it out with
1949
01:29:51.649 --> 01:29:55.850
BS to this day when bad things happen to good people.
1950
01:29:55.899 --> 01:29:57.100
I mean, that's kind of the old thing. You know,
1951
01:29:57.140 --> 01:29:58.720
why do bad things happen to good people?
1952
01:29:58.779 --> 01:30:04.199
It's like, let's just invent, like, a 900 religions instead
1953
01:30:04.220 --> 01:30:06.140
of answer instead of like trying to really answer that
1954
01:30:06.159 --> 01:30:08.770
it's too hard like we'll just you know every religion
1955
01:30:08.789 --> 01:30:10.670
will kind of answer it in its own way but
1956
01:30:10.689 --> 01:30:12.329
that makes i mean that makes sense you know uh
1957
01:30:13.090 --> 01:30:15.470
the idea of like a being beastly you know like
1958
01:30:15.909 --> 01:30:17.770
if somebody killed somebody brutally it'd be like that's like
1959
01:30:17.789 --> 01:30:21.779
an animal they must literally be becoming an animal no human.
1960
01:30:21.479 --> 01:30:24.220
Being would be capable of such an atrocity like it
1961
01:30:24.260 --> 01:30:27.140
has to be some type of monster and stuff.
1962
01:30:27.020 --> 01:30:30.289
Yeah Well, and then as time went on, you know, uh, and,
1963
01:30:30.529 --> 01:30:32.510
and things would change, you'd have to kind of alter it,
1964
01:30:32.630 --> 01:30:37.569
you know, uh, like when, uh, I had a train
1965
01:30:37.720 --> 01:30:40.210
of thought there, but it might've derailed. But like, uh,
1966
01:30:40.300 --> 01:30:41.800
if you had like, say a group of people that
1967
01:30:41.819 --> 01:30:44.319
were always seen as animalistic and then all of a sudden,
1968
01:30:44.380 --> 01:30:48.020
as time went on, they became totally, you know, uh,
1969
01:30:48.500 --> 01:30:50.579
congruous with the rest of the population. All of a
1970
01:30:50.600 --> 01:30:52.609
sudden you just kind of, it would kind of the
1971
01:30:52.649 --> 01:30:57.010
idea of like them being, you know, savage or, or, or, uh, untamed.
1972
01:30:57.939 --> 01:31:00.020
like leave their group entirely and now it's just a
1973
01:31:00.100 --> 01:31:01.970
thing that happens to anybody it's like oh no that
1974
01:31:02.010 --> 01:31:04.670
person turned into a monster because the witch did that
1975
01:31:04.710 --> 01:31:07.289
or whatever because because that's you know my point was
1976
01:31:07.329 --> 01:31:10.310
kind of like dehumanizing is a common thing when people
1977
01:31:10.829 --> 01:31:12.829
commit lots of crimes or whatever to kind of you
1978
01:31:12.850 --> 01:31:15.060
know say that they're an animal or they're evil or
1979
01:31:15.100 --> 01:31:18.100
whatever so we have that kind of there and it's
1980
01:31:18.119 --> 01:31:21.180
interesting when it's kind of isolated to just the criminal
1981
01:31:21.979 --> 01:31:23.520
that did it yes to say like oh they must
1982
01:31:23.539 --> 01:31:24.159
be an animal.
1983
01:31:26.109 --> 01:31:28.090
Then there were, you know, a lot of possession was
1984
01:31:28.170 --> 01:31:29.270
often blamed as well.
1985
01:31:29.689 --> 01:31:29.869
Yes.
1986
01:31:30.109 --> 01:31:35.029
Which is also interesting seeing the evolution of that. So
1987
01:31:35.090 --> 01:31:37.399
like the whole concept of it being like a demon
1988
01:31:37.409 --> 01:31:40.689
possession is a far more like recent thing. there would
1989
01:31:40.720 --> 01:31:42.920
be different types of spirit things that would like be
1990
01:31:42.960 --> 01:31:44.699
able to possess you and stuff like that. And then
1991
01:31:44.739 --> 01:31:48.619
eventually the spirits became demons and stuff, but it could
1992
01:31:48.640 --> 01:31:51.359
be either like a, a ghost to someone either living
1993
01:31:51.439 --> 01:31:53.420
or dead. Like there could be somebody that's like a
1994
01:31:53.479 --> 01:31:55.939
witch type of thing that could be possessing you. That's
1995
01:31:55.960 --> 01:32:00.420
still alive, like a living person that's doing it. Um, and, uh,
1996
01:32:00.939 --> 01:32:04.229
or it could be, you know, uh, some type of, uh,
1997
01:32:04.359 --> 01:32:07.300
angry ghost and stuff that is doing it from beyond
1998
01:32:07.340 --> 01:32:11.119
the grave that's possessing you. But then, Christianity has a
1999
01:32:11.140 --> 01:32:13.840
tendency to like to demonize everything. So eventually that just
2000
01:32:13.880 --> 01:32:17.520
kind of evolved into these must be all demons.
2001
01:32:19.100 --> 01:32:21.090
You know, I get why they started with it because
2002
01:32:21.119 --> 01:32:22.390
it's a good way to get you to think about
2003
01:32:22.409 --> 01:32:25.170
the church. You know, a lot is to be like,
2004
01:32:25.710 --> 01:32:27.829
you know, when you, you know, when you see a
2005
01:32:28.090 --> 01:32:31.529
lady in a really nice blouse, you're evil. You better
2006
01:32:31.550 --> 01:32:34.720
start praying instantly. The moment you think of sex or
2007
01:32:34.729 --> 01:32:38.199
drinking or fighting or any, it's like, okay, so anything
2008
01:32:38.220 --> 01:32:41.100
that's human, Yes, think about the church in that moment,
2009
01:32:41.140 --> 01:32:43.359
the moment you are being in any way a human being.
2010
01:32:43.380 --> 01:32:46.420
Yes, sir. It's also like an us versus them thing
2011
01:32:46.520 --> 01:32:47.779
and stuff, too.
2012
01:32:47.899 --> 01:32:51.949
Because that's why a lot of the deities and stuff
2013
01:32:51.970 --> 01:32:56.930
from other religions eventually just become demonized in Christianity. And
2014
01:32:57.289 --> 01:33:00.000
I did a whole thing, which if you ever want to...
2015
01:33:01.369 --> 01:33:03.289
have me geek out about Satan. I can talk to
2016
01:33:03.310 --> 01:33:05.510
him about the entire evolutionary.
2017
01:33:05.529 --> 01:33:08.109
I mean, that sounds like a pretty awesome offer.
2018
01:33:08.229 --> 01:33:14.130
Cause I did a, um, a, like a, a educational
2019
01:33:14.170 --> 01:33:17.189
presentation at a convention about that and about the, um,
2020
01:33:18.029 --> 01:33:21.470
the evolution of the ideas of the concept of Satan, um,
2021
01:33:21.510 --> 01:33:23.909
the depictions of Satan and things like that, uh, because
2022
01:33:23.970 --> 01:33:26.439
it was not a canonical thing. And so how it
2023
01:33:26.479 --> 01:33:32.449
goes from being, a completely different concept in like Judaism
2024
01:33:32.489 --> 01:33:36.000
and stuff to being what we in like modern times
2025
01:33:36.399 --> 01:33:38.180
think whenever someone says Satan and stuff.
2026
01:33:38.819 --> 01:33:40.180
It's fascinating.
2027
01:33:40.239 --> 01:33:43.220
But a lot of that in that process is the
2028
01:33:43.300 --> 01:33:48.949
demonization and incorporation of different characteristics of different deities and
2029
01:33:49.010 --> 01:33:50.710
stuff to be like, no, it's bad.
2030
01:33:51.029 --> 01:33:51.670
It's the devil.
2031
01:33:52.350 --> 01:33:55.170
And there was a lot more flexibility in the earliest
2032
01:33:55.229 --> 01:34:01.359
days of Christianity because people couldn't read. I mean, very many,
2033
01:34:01.420 --> 01:34:03.800
many people couldn't read. It was the church was actually,
2034
01:34:04.020 --> 01:34:05.699
if I'm remembering correctly, because you will know better than
2035
01:34:05.760 --> 01:34:08.840
I do. My understanding, I always, the understanding I was
2036
01:34:08.880 --> 01:34:13.949
given was that the Catholic church was the religion, not
2037
01:34:13.989 --> 01:34:14.369
the book.
2038
01:34:15.710 --> 01:34:16.029
Yes.
2039
01:34:16.689 --> 01:34:19.850
And that's why they have such an intricate, like such
2040
01:34:19.890 --> 01:34:23.689
an interest, intricate system is because they were the, the
2041
01:34:23.810 --> 01:34:26.649
access to the faith, not the book because they.
2042
01:34:26.569 --> 01:34:27.529
Were like one of the earliest.
2043
01:34:28.180 --> 01:34:29.899
Yeah, there were, there's a lot of, I guess there
2044
01:34:29.920 --> 01:34:33.159
was a lot of different types of Christianity, but that
2045
01:34:33.199 --> 01:34:37.079
is like a huge one. Yes. That came about from
2046
01:34:37.119 --> 01:34:40.420
the whole sort of spinoff movement of Judaism, the whole
2047
01:34:40.439 --> 01:34:45.100
little Christian, the Jesus movement did eventually, yeah, there was
2048
01:34:45.520 --> 01:34:47.649
the Catholic church that then had its schism and you've
2049
01:34:47.659 --> 01:34:50.850
got the Orthodox church and so forth. But so yeah,
2050
01:34:50.890 --> 01:34:54.409
they did, that particular branch did of course come up
2051
01:34:54.449 --> 01:34:59.899
with a bunch of non-canonical theological concepts that they then
2052
01:34:59.960 --> 01:35:03.300
go back and try to use elements of the scriptures
2053
01:35:03.380 --> 01:35:10.869
to support. And as much as Protestants want to say
2054
01:35:10.909 --> 01:35:13.449
that they are beyond that, they still have their own
2055
01:35:13.489 --> 01:35:16.729
things because there are going to still be Protestants today
2056
01:35:16.850 --> 01:35:20.050
who think that Satan is a thing or that have
2057
01:35:20.090 --> 01:35:22.750
all these concepts of these devils and demons and even
2058
01:35:22.789 --> 01:35:24.909
think that Lucifer is a name for the devil and
2059
01:35:24.930 --> 01:35:25.270
it's not.
2060
01:35:26.659 --> 01:35:31.340
So it's funny because, you know, as I get older
2061
01:35:31.380 --> 01:35:33.880
and I kind of I kind of feel like I
2062
01:35:33.939 --> 01:35:38.239
see things a little bit broader, you know, like I
2063
01:35:38.279 --> 01:35:41.119
kind of look at like the Catholic church thing as
2064
01:35:41.199 --> 01:35:44.159
like at least they kind of were aware that there's
2065
01:35:44.180 --> 01:35:46.239
a human element, you know, that they would like let
2066
01:35:46.279 --> 01:35:49.119
things change. I mean, they may not have seen it
2067
01:35:49.159 --> 01:35:51.159
as a human element, obviously, but I mean, like, you know,
2068
01:35:51.189 --> 01:35:53.869
they were aware that like as times change, things change,
2069
01:35:53.949 --> 01:35:57.880
hence the pope. being the direct communication with the upstairs
2070
01:35:57.939 --> 01:36:00.279
so that it, so that you could make a unilateral change.
2071
01:36:00.760 --> 01:36:03.819
And people often forget that like some of those unilateral
2072
01:36:03.880 --> 01:36:06.819
changes were really good things. I mean, the Pope basically
2073
01:36:06.979 --> 01:36:10.760
ended the North Atlantic slave trade, like, like straight up
2074
01:36:10.819 --> 01:36:14.239
because he said, actually in the Bible, it says slavery
2075
01:36:14.279 --> 01:36:14.619
is wrong.
2076
01:36:14.659 --> 01:36:17.079
That applies to just everybody, not just Christians. And then
2077
01:36:17.100 --> 01:36:18.319
it was like, what? And it was like, yeah, you
2078
01:36:18.350 --> 01:36:22.149
got to like stop everything. And they were like, oh crap.
2079
01:36:22.789 --> 01:36:28.659
Which is funny because, um, In America, there were Bibles
2080
01:36:29.550 --> 01:36:37.630
that were specifically to support slavery. They were slave Bibles
2081
01:36:37.789 --> 01:36:39.590
and stuff. They were Bibles that were given to slaves
2082
01:36:40.510 --> 01:36:44.050
or used for the preaching with slaves and also spread
2083
01:36:44.109 --> 01:36:46.010
by slave owners and things like that because it would
2084
01:36:46.069 --> 01:36:50.210
be taking particular passages and taking certain things to show that, no, see,
2085
01:36:50.489 --> 01:36:51.770
it's totally supported.
2086
01:36:52.420 --> 01:36:56.489
Buy them yeah so it didn't work out though the
2087
01:36:56.510 --> 01:37:00.250
religious belief helped the slaves uh immensely anyway which is
2088
01:37:00.369 --> 01:37:02.449
i mean which is just a fascinating another element of
2089
01:37:02.829 --> 01:37:04.640
i keep saying this because i really mean it like
2090
01:37:04.760 --> 01:37:08.539
another element of why i love humanity and the human
2091
01:37:08.579 --> 01:37:10.260
experience though is like you hand them this thing you
2092
01:37:10.279 --> 01:37:12.680
go look even the guy upstairs says like you're supposed
2093
01:37:12.699 --> 01:37:14.470
to be in this lot and they turn it into
2094
01:37:14.510 --> 01:37:18.159
something that moves them to greater lengths, you know, greater
2095
01:37:18.229 --> 01:37:19.329
distances instead.
2096
01:37:19.350 --> 01:37:20.189
I love that.
2097
01:37:20.210 --> 01:37:22.409
It's like, no, what we make of it is what's
2098
01:37:22.430 --> 01:37:24.449
going to happen. Not what you say, not what you
2099
01:37:24.470 --> 01:37:28.710
hand us. I love that makes me so happy. I
2100
01:37:29.710 --> 01:37:32.189
just want to hug being human sometimes. I mean, there's
2101
01:37:32.210 --> 01:37:34.680
a lot of negatives, but I, I, I just think that,
2102
01:37:34.720 --> 01:37:37.399
you know, I don't know, we're so vast and there's
2103
01:37:37.420 --> 01:37:40.479
so many different types of people. You never know who
2104
01:37:40.500 --> 01:37:42.079
you're going to meet in any given day. You never
2105
01:37:42.119 --> 01:37:45.140
know when you're going to meet somebody and, and feel, uh,
2106
01:37:45.460 --> 01:37:46.739
and be like, Oh, that was kind of a nice person.
2107
01:37:46.760 --> 01:37:48.390
And then 15 years later, be like, Oh, I guess
2108
01:37:48.430 --> 01:37:50.029
that was the first time I met that person. And
2109
01:37:50.050 --> 01:37:52.149
now like, if they weren't around, I would be heartbroken
2110
01:37:52.250 --> 01:37:55.609
every day. Like, you know, life is that way, you know? Uh,
2111
01:37:56.710 --> 01:37:59.050
You can really tell I just turned 40. Like I'm so,
2112
01:37:59.590 --> 01:38:01.630
I'm looking back and I'm just like, oh yeah, this thing,
2113
01:38:01.670 --> 01:38:03.979
this thing.
2114
01:38:04.020 --> 01:38:06.300
The middle age is finally hitting you.
2115
01:38:06.939 --> 01:38:10.399
Exactly. Oh dude, I frigging, I turned 40 on the
2116
01:38:10.460 --> 01:38:11.359
10th of September.
2117
01:38:11.390 --> 01:38:12.869
Happy birthday.
2118
01:38:13.229 --> 01:38:13.649
Thank you.
2119
01:38:13.670 --> 01:38:14.350
Seven days later.
2120
01:38:17.350 --> 01:38:21.380
Progressive lenses in the glasses seven days now I had
2121
01:38:21.460 --> 01:38:23.840
put off my eye exam for four years which was
2122
01:38:23.899 --> 01:38:25.270
my own fault I had to get a new eye
2123
01:38:25.279 --> 01:38:27.430
doctor they just were impossible to schedule it wasn't me
2124
01:38:27.470 --> 01:38:30.180
being lazy or cheap it was this one time it
2125
01:38:30.220 --> 01:38:32.579
was just it was just that i i finally was
2126
01:38:32.600 --> 01:38:33.960
like i'm going to a place where they just can
2127
01:38:34.000 --> 01:38:35.739
see you in a day because i'm tired of waiting
2128
01:38:35.779 --> 01:38:38.529
and whatever yeah they hand me the prescription i go
2129
01:38:38.569 --> 01:38:40.090
home and type it in to like order some glasses
2130
01:38:40.130 --> 01:38:41.970
online and it's just like wait what is this plus
2131
01:38:42.149 --> 01:38:45.149
one oh.
2132
01:38:45.060 --> 01:38:46.300
I sent it to my mom and I was like,
2133
01:38:46.659 --> 01:38:50.060
does this mean I need bifocals? And she was like, barely,
2134
01:38:50.119 --> 01:38:53.119
but yes. And I was like, I feel old.
2135
01:38:53.180 --> 01:38:56.899
And my mom was like, join the club. She's loving,
2136
01:38:56.920 --> 01:38:58.420
but she's also like, yeah, how old do you think
2137
01:38:58.520 --> 01:39:04.619
I feel then? My youngest kid's 40. But no, these
2138
01:39:04.640 --> 01:39:06.510
are the kinds of things I love to think about.
2139
01:39:06.520 --> 01:39:11.369
One of my favorite, so it was like folklore, like history,
2140
01:39:11.470 --> 01:39:15.350
folklore is the history that we tell each other. you know,
2141
01:39:15.430 --> 01:39:18.579
instead of a literal history that like is supposedly written down.
2142
01:39:18.619 --> 01:39:21.239
It's a history where we're not really worried about accuracy
2143
01:39:21.279 --> 01:39:25.119
so much. It's more about intent and moment and vibes.
2144
01:39:25.239 --> 01:39:27.520
Let's go with vibes, you know, if you're really old.
2145
01:39:27.960 --> 01:39:28.779
It's about vibes.
2146
01:39:28.800 --> 01:39:30.060
It's about the vibes, man.
2147
01:39:30.720 --> 01:39:31.159
Yeah.
2148
01:39:31.220 --> 01:39:33.819
Because if it's about the human experience, it's not quite
2149
01:39:33.880 --> 01:39:36.239
as manipulative as if it's about like literally like, what
2150
01:39:36.260 --> 01:39:39.399
did Mussolini do? You know, that if it's about vibes,
2151
01:39:39.470 --> 01:39:41.810
you could really be lying and it would not be great.
2152
01:39:41.869 --> 01:39:44.130
And they did in that time period.
2153
01:39:45.020 --> 01:39:50.500
But like I like I've been thinking I'm really going
2154
01:39:50.760 --> 01:39:54.039
way off the reservation. And I don't apologize because this
2155
01:39:54.100 --> 01:39:56.859
is this is why I guess I can survive in
2156
01:39:56.890 --> 01:39:58.409
this business is because you put a mic in front
2157
01:39:58.470 --> 01:40:01.729
of me and I can never shut up. But it
2158
01:40:01.869 --> 01:40:04.010
starts to make me think, you know, while history can
2159
01:40:04.050 --> 01:40:06.189
give you a good concept of where we're going, folklore
2160
01:40:06.210 --> 01:40:07.890
makes me kind of feel like I get a good
2161
01:40:07.930 --> 01:40:11.189
concept of where we'll we will be feeling. I guess
2162
01:40:11.270 --> 01:40:13.029
is a way to put it like how we will
2163
01:40:13.069 --> 01:40:17.659
be vibing as a species. And I think that overall
2164
01:40:18.539 --> 01:40:21.460
we're surprisingly sweet to each other, even though it doesn't
2165
01:40:21.479 --> 01:40:23.680
always feel that way. Cause it's easy to notice when
2166
01:40:23.720 --> 01:40:27.909
people are mean or cruel because we should, we should
2167
01:40:28.090 --> 01:40:30.170
stop and look and go, wow, that is crazy.
2168
01:40:30.479 --> 01:40:32.659
That's not all right. Like that's cruel. That's hateful.
2169
01:40:32.689 --> 01:40:35.829
That's everything that I hate about. Everything is what I'm
2170
01:40:35.869 --> 01:40:38.810
seeing right now, but it's so easy to walk by
2171
01:40:39.109 --> 01:40:42.810
kindness and be like, yeah, that's just, that's Wednesday. Like
2172
01:40:42.850 --> 01:40:44.829
that guy's being nice to that person. That person be nice. Like,
2173
01:40:44.869 --> 01:40:47.029
it's not weird that people are being nice. So I'm
2174
01:40:47.050 --> 01:40:48.710
not even going to stop and look. I'm not even like,
2175
01:40:49.409 --> 01:40:51.319
you know, that's why a video of somebody doing something
2176
01:40:51.359 --> 01:40:53.300
nice will go viral. But a video of somebody getting
2177
01:40:53.399 --> 01:40:56.680
cruelty done to them will really go viral. It's because
2178
01:40:56.939 --> 01:41:01.119
it's not, It breaks the system. It breaks the pattern
2179
01:41:01.180 --> 01:41:06.199
as well. And I'm a vicious Pollyanna. I know that.
2180
01:41:07.529 --> 01:41:09.250
So when I look at folklore and I look at
2181
01:41:09.329 --> 01:41:12.649
where the beliefs come from and things, I notice that
2182
01:41:12.850 --> 01:41:16.689
often if you can get over the very human desire
2183
01:41:16.789 --> 01:41:21.949
to worry and feel negative about everything, you find like, wow,
2184
01:41:22.109 --> 01:41:23.689
there was a lot of good intent there or a
2185
01:41:23.710 --> 01:41:26.970
lot of good result there. And that's something that I
2186
01:41:27.029 --> 01:41:29.569
try to keep in mind because none of us, you know,
2187
01:41:30.050 --> 01:41:33.409
that phrase, ends justify the means. I hate that phrase because, like,
2188
01:41:33.689 --> 01:41:36.609
there's no ends. There's never ends. All we ever have
2189
01:41:36.649 --> 01:41:39.840
are means until the day we die. So, you know,
2190
01:41:39.899 --> 01:41:41.680
so if the means are going to be crap, that
2191
01:41:41.699 --> 01:41:42.899
means that your life will be crap.
2192
01:41:43.260 --> 01:41:46.020
There's no ends. There's only means. So I don't know
2193
01:41:46.039 --> 01:41:47.220
if I had a point. You should say something.
2194
01:41:50.100 --> 01:41:51.560
Some of what you said actually made me think of
2195
01:41:51.600 --> 01:41:52.909
tricksters in folklore.
2196
01:41:53.149 --> 01:41:54.890
So, because.
2197
01:41:56.060 --> 01:42:00.140
uh if like to your point like uh there's things
2198
01:42:00.180 --> 01:42:02.560
that we should normalize like like being nice is nice
2199
01:42:02.819 --> 01:42:04.699
it's nice to be nice uh and we should all
2200
01:42:04.729 --> 01:42:07.510
be nice to each other and it should stick out
2201
01:42:07.550 --> 01:42:12.029
to us whenever somebody breaks um the norm and that's
2202
01:42:12.130 --> 01:42:14.970
what tricksters a lot of times in different cultures are
2203
01:42:15.010 --> 01:42:18.399
to do they are to show what you should not
2204
01:42:18.439 --> 01:42:23.130
do in a society or like uh even sometimes to
2205
01:42:23.189 --> 01:42:26.909
show maybe there's an aspect that is absurd and maybe
2206
01:42:26.989 --> 01:42:29.310
not great currently in that society, and they push back
2207
01:42:29.390 --> 01:42:32.920
on it. So they are there to be like a challenge,
2208
01:42:34.199 --> 01:42:38.840
and to challenge but also to teach. And so it's
2209
01:42:38.880 --> 01:42:42.859
either like, don't be like this, or hey, isn't that
2210
01:42:42.899 --> 01:42:46.159
ridiculous and awful to be like that? We should instead
2211
01:42:46.180 --> 01:42:50.619
be nice. We should be like that. But that is
2212
01:42:50.680 --> 01:42:54.300
one of the primary functions of tricksters in different cultures
2213
01:42:54.359 --> 01:42:55.000
and stuff.
2214
01:42:56.189 --> 01:42:58.630
Yeah, it makes perfect sense.
2215
01:42:58.710 --> 01:43:04.840
And the subtext of folklore and stories is always fascinating
2216
01:43:04.880 --> 01:43:07.430
because you know, as much what they put in there
2217
01:43:07.439 --> 01:43:10.689
is as important as how it's interpreted throughout different times
2218
01:43:10.970 --> 01:43:14.329
in history. You know, like it's kind of like I
2219
01:43:14.590 --> 01:43:18.090
read Moby Dick every so often. And I feel like
2220
01:43:18.170 --> 01:43:20.170
every time I read Moby Dick, I get something different
2221
01:43:20.609 --> 01:43:22.670
from it. If I like wait six years, I'll like
2222
01:43:22.689 --> 01:43:24.189
feel a totally different.
2223
01:43:23.949 --> 01:43:24.600
Feeling about it.
2224
01:43:25.550 --> 01:43:28.550
And I feel like that's, you know, another sign of
2225
01:43:28.590 --> 01:43:31.210
like where the culture is going. Like, you know, now
2226
01:43:31.289 --> 01:43:33.430
when people look at like a movie like Texas Chainsaw Massacre,
2227
01:43:33.489 --> 01:43:35.210
that's a great example because it's a movie that may
2228
01:43:35.229 --> 01:43:38.159
not Because of its title, it doesn't sound like it
2229
01:43:38.199 --> 01:43:41.439
has a lot to say about anything other than chainsaws
2230
01:43:41.510 --> 01:43:46.390
in Texas and massacres. But when that movie was made,
2231
01:43:46.649 --> 01:43:48.989
there were a lot of cultural fears. A lot of
2232
01:43:49.010 --> 01:43:51.770
the fear was about automation. And the family in that
2233
01:43:51.810 --> 01:43:57.529
movie is actually literally all displaced by technology. They don't
2234
01:43:57.649 --> 01:44:01.430
have a job because the air gun replaces killing an
2235
01:44:01.510 --> 01:44:02.310
animal with a hammer.
2236
01:44:03.350 --> 01:44:05.260
Which everyone in the.
2237
01:44:05.260 --> 01:44:08.600
Audience would agree, even if they eat meat every day,
2238
01:44:08.920 --> 01:44:10.619
they would agree, I would rather it be an air
2239
01:44:10.659 --> 01:44:13.819
gun than a hammer. Nobody's going to take the side
2240
01:44:13.859 --> 01:44:18.300
of the cannibal family. But then the cannibal family, their
2241
01:44:18.359 --> 01:44:20.640
attitude is, well, we got to make do. Everybody's got
2242
01:44:20.659 --> 01:44:23.579
to make do. This is how we're making do. It's
2243
01:44:23.619 --> 01:44:27.460
a pretty fascinating statement when there was such an upheaval
2244
01:44:27.619 --> 01:44:29.779
in rural America versus the cities, and there was such
2245
01:44:29.800 --> 01:44:33.119
an upheaval in in a working class versus, you know,
2246
01:44:33.239 --> 01:44:35.939
white collar, blue collar. Um, the kids who are coming there,
2247
01:44:35.960 --> 01:44:38.439
they're all college age. They probably, none of them have any,
2248
01:44:38.579 --> 01:44:41.199
have worked very much in their lives yet. So, and
2249
01:44:41.229 --> 01:44:44.649
they walk into a place they don't understand and they
2250
01:44:44.689 --> 01:44:46.470
expect it to be just like every other place they've
2251
01:44:46.489 --> 01:44:46.869
ever been.
2252
01:44:46.890 --> 01:44:48.130
And it's not there.
2253
01:44:48.170 --> 01:44:50.750
So there's like all these places you could take it.
2254
01:44:51.869 --> 01:44:54.869
And I, I, I love that about folklore. I love
2255
01:44:54.890 --> 01:44:57.729
that about storytelling. That's, that's the thing is like, what
2256
01:44:57.750 --> 01:44:59.529
can you get from it? And if it could be
2257
01:44:59.569 --> 01:45:02.130
something beneficial, what can you get from it? You know,
2258
01:45:02.149 --> 01:45:04.689
can they have a moral, like the trickster telling you,
2259
01:45:04.710 --> 01:45:08.149
you know, don't, um, you know, don't switch somebody sweetened
2260
01:45:08.170 --> 01:45:09.489
condensed milk for powder.
2261
01:45:09.710 --> 01:45:12.189
I don't know.
2262
01:45:12.289 --> 01:45:15.180
And I mean, uh, Oh gosh, my brain just went
2263
01:45:15.189 --> 01:45:16.439
off the tracks for a second.
2264
01:45:16.479 --> 01:45:19.039
Oh, it's okay. You're the first, that's your first time.
2265
01:45:19.180 --> 01:45:23.939
Okay. I was going to say, uh, cause my brain
2266
01:45:23.960 --> 01:45:24.939
was going in two different ways.
2267
01:45:24.960 --> 01:45:27.199
Cause you brought up like the good point again with the,
2268
01:45:27.260 --> 01:45:31.350
with like how horror reflects our own, uh, personal and
2269
01:45:31.369 --> 01:45:34.130
cultural fears but going back to the folklore element though
2270
01:45:34.909 --> 01:45:38.640
um oh gosh hold on make my brain go back
2271
01:45:38.699 --> 01:45:42.199
onto that track where you were talking about the things
2272
01:45:42.560 --> 01:45:44.760
and the stuff hold on rewind all right you were
2273
01:45:44.800 --> 01:45:45.770
talking about.
2274
01:45:45.729 --> 01:45:48.750
Texas chainsaw massacre social upheaval uh.
2275
01:45:50.359 --> 01:45:52.779
And oh, oh yes.
2276
01:45:52.840 --> 01:45:56.399
Context. Okay. So like, um, yeah, with folklore, just like
2277
01:45:56.420 --> 01:45:59.590
with a lot of things, like, uh, heck, even with like, um, satire, like, uh,
2278
01:45:59.659 --> 01:46:04.329
look at, um, Gulliver's travels kind of thing. Um, yeah. And, uh,
2279
01:46:04.569 --> 01:46:07.890
like reading it out of historical context, you get a
2280
01:46:07.909 --> 01:46:12.350
completely different, uh, you know, vibe of what it is
2281
01:46:12.399 --> 01:46:14.939
and what it's saying and stuff versus looking at it
2282
01:46:15.000 --> 01:46:18.310
within historical context. And the same can be true with, uh,
2283
01:46:18.729 --> 01:46:21.880
folklore and with different like religious scriptures and anything like
2284
01:46:21.899 --> 01:46:24.680
that once you take it out of its historical and
2285
01:46:24.720 --> 01:46:27.239
its cultural context and you read it you've got your
2286
01:46:27.420 --> 01:46:31.130
own interpretation what it means for you now and then
2287
01:46:31.149 --> 01:46:33.350
you can also just look at it in history so
2288
01:46:33.470 --> 01:46:37.420
like whereas we've been talking about the struggle and how
2289
01:46:38.300 --> 01:46:39.760
it has been used for.
2290
01:46:40.060 --> 01:46:41.439
Plague and for stranger danger.
2291
01:46:41.520 --> 01:46:43.909
But if you take it out of those contexts and
2292
01:46:43.949 --> 01:46:46.529
you are reading a story about a vampire and things
2293
01:46:46.569 --> 01:46:48.289
like that, it's a completely different thing for you. It's
2294
01:46:48.329 --> 01:46:51.529
a spooky monster man. And, and it's like, yeah, but
2295
01:46:52.069 --> 01:46:54.729
put it within its cultural thing. It's, it's telling you,
2296
01:46:54.840 --> 01:46:58.039
you know, don't go off with strangers and also like why,
2297
01:46:58.180 --> 01:47:01.340
you know, how to deal with this spreading disease and
2298
01:47:01.359 --> 01:47:04.560
stuff like that. But it's a completely different thing for if,
2299
01:47:04.779 --> 01:47:07.090
if you're not, if you're not used to, if you're
2300
01:47:07.109 --> 01:47:08.810
not from that and stuff.
2301
01:47:09.430 --> 01:47:10.449
Um, so absolutely.
2302
01:47:10.609 --> 01:47:13.140
And that is an interesting thing. So that makes us that,
2303
01:47:13.380 --> 01:47:17.220
so that each story has different layers to it. Um, and,
2304
01:47:17.619 --> 01:47:19.920
and to your point, coming back to like the same
2305
01:47:19.979 --> 01:47:24.060
movie or the same book, um, after years of like
2306
01:47:24.100 --> 01:47:27.500
having initially consumed and stuff, there's like things that, in fact,
2307
01:47:27.539 --> 01:47:30.460
I was just thinking the other day, I should rewatch
2308
01:47:30.840 --> 01:47:32.300
this ties in kind of with what we were just
2309
01:47:32.319 --> 01:47:36.310
talking about. The French, uh, have a whole werewolf boom.
2310
01:47:36.350 --> 01:47:39.659
There was a movie called Brotherhood of the Wolf that
2311
01:47:39.699 --> 01:47:39.989
came out.
2312
01:47:40.060 --> 01:47:41.260
I remember Brotherhood of the Wolf.
2313
01:47:41.279 --> 01:47:43.800
Yeah. And like, I saw it back when I was like, what,
2314
01:47:43.800 --> 01:47:45.180
20 or something. Is that when it like came out?
2315
01:47:45.220 --> 01:47:46.239
We were like, that sounds right.
2316
01:47:46.479 --> 01:47:47.420
Yeah.
2317
01:47:48.119 --> 01:47:49.960
And I remember thinking it was really cool then, but
2318
01:47:49.979 --> 01:47:53.640
that was also before I had all of this historical
2319
01:47:53.680 --> 01:47:55.640
knowledge in this context. And now I really want to
2320
01:47:55.659 --> 01:47:58.899
go find it and rewatch it again. knowing what i
2321
01:47:58.939 --> 01:48:02.140
know now um and i'm like i'm i wonder i
2322
01:48:02.239 --> 01:48:04.100
would get like because like before yeah it was a
2323
01:48:04.140 --> 01:48:07.819
cool movie as itself like on the surface level but
2324
01:48:08.159 --> 01:48:11.439
having the context i wonder if i'll be more like.
2325
01:48:11.399 --> 01:48:15.369
Oh whoa this is a reference to da da da
2326
01:48:15.810 --> 01:48:17.489
and be like oh i get it now it makes
2327
01:48:17.529 --> 01:48:19.810
so much more sense or if i'll be like uh
2328
01:48:20.479 --> 01:48:23.500
that's like an inaccurate reference to such and such, which
2329
01:48:23.539 --> 01:48:25.420
is actually supposed to be like da-da-da.
2330
01:48:27.020 --> 01:48:29.199
But either way, it'll be a new experience.
2331
01:48:29.229 --> 01:48:30.329
Yeah, exactly.
2332
01:48:30.350 --> 01:48:33.250
Yeah, it'll either be pure camp or you'll be like, wow,
2333
01:48:33.270 --> 01:48:36.810
I was not expecting that little extra stank on it
2334
01:48:36.850 --> 01:48:37.770
that makes me love it more.
2335
01:48:38.560 --> 01:48:39.909
Um, no, that, that, yeah.
2336
01:48:39.949 --> 01:48:43.119
Revisiting stuff, especially from childhood is so much fun, especially
2337
01:48:43.159 --> 01:48:44.880
if it ends up being way better than you remember.
2338
01:48:44.939 --> 01:48:47.520
And you remembered loving it, uh, which doesn't always happen,
2339
01:48:47.560 --> 01:48:48.760
but it does happen sometimes.
2340
01:48:48.840 --> 01:48:49.439
Sometimes.
2341
01:48:49.880 --> 01:48:50.260
Yeah.
2342
01:48:50.359 --> 01:48:51.560
When you, when you're really lucky.
2343
01:48:51.939 --> 01:48:54.180
Sometimes, sometimes you rewatch something that was like a really
2344
01:48:54.220 --> 01:48:55.659
fun horror movie when you were a kid. And now
2345
01:48:55.680 --> 01:48:58.979
you're like, well, that was a movie. Um, yeah, yeah, yeah.
2346
01:48:59.020 --> 01:49:02.539
That was, it was definitely a thing that exists. Yeah.
2347
01:49:05.340 --> 01:49:08.739
And then, you know, like I revisit Monster Squad all
2348
01:49:08.779 --> 01:49:09.100
the time.
2349
01:49:09.119 --> 01:49:09.920
Oh, nice.
2350
01:49:10.399 --> 01:49:11.439
Like that's one of my favorites.
2351
01:49:11.800 --> 01:49:13.189
And every time I watch it, I'm like, man, that
2352
01:49:13.199 --> 01:49:17.279
script is oddly great. Like, like, and then, and then
2353
01:49:17.340 --> 01:49:19.220
as I got older, cause I mean, like in my twenties,
2354
01:49:19.279 --> 01:49:21.180
I'd be like, wow, it holds up pretty well. And
2355
01:49:21.199 --> 01:49:22.699
then it got even older. I was like, oh, this
2356
01:49:22.760 --> 01:49:27.119
is co-written by the guy who wrote Lethal Weapon. And, uh, and, um,
2357
01:49:27.479 --> 01:49:28.979
oh gosh, what was the other one? Uh, and like
2358
01:49:29.000 --> 01:49:32.039
Long Kiss Goodnight and stuff like he's written. And yeah,
2359
01:49:32.100 --> 01:49:35.880
Shane Black, he's written a ton of great stuff. And, uh,
2360
01:49:36.020 --> 01:49:39.420
and he co-wrote that with the director and, And I'm like, oh, yeah,
2361
01:49:39.479 --> 01:49:41.880
they're just really good. Like, that movie, no wonder I
2362
01:49:41.899 --> 01:49:43.220
liked that movie even as a kid. I didn't even
2363
01:49:43.279 --> 01:49:45.560
know that it was great. I just liked the wolfman
2364
01:49:45.600 --> 01:49:49.829
having nards. You know, I thought that was funny. So, yeah,
2365
01:49:50.010 --> 01:49:53.189
you always get to pull something new, and that feeds
2366
01:49:53.229 --> 01:49:56.670
into the human element of storytelling. Yeah, it's the teller,
2367
01:49:56.770 --> 01:50:00.229
and then more importantly, the interpretation, because the interpretation will
2368
01:50:00.310 --> 01:50:02.430
live infinitely longer than any teller.
2369
01:50:02.869 --> 01:50:08.890
Yes. Unfortunately, it also affects, like... Now, you know, I'm
2370
01:50:09.210 --> 01:50:11.510
well out of college since we established them in my 40s.
2371
01:50:11.550 --> 01:50:17.289
But doing any continued research now, and if I start reading, like,
2372
01:50:17.310 --> 01:50:20.720
the actual, like, you know, account, like, actual folklore stories
2373
01:50:20.840 --> 01:50:24.399
from different things that I may not have the historical
2374
01:50:24.460 --> 01:50:29.819
background knowledge in, and I'm sure you're aware of this,
2375
01:50:30.340 --> 01:50:33.939
and to those listening, sometimes folklore stories don't make sense.
2376
01:50:34.439 --> 01:50:36.760
They are not... They don't, like, they.
2377
01:50:37.180 --> 01:50:39.989
People... people back in the day didn't always have what
2378
01:50:40.029 --> 01:50:43.090
we have now as concepts of, of how narration works.
2379
01:50:43.750 --> 01:50:46.890
And they, it'll start off one way and then it
2380
01:50:46.930 --> 01:50:49.130
goes off on this other tangent. And like, maybe like,
2381
01:50:49.449 --> 01:50:51.180
you know, there's an action that's happening, but then he
2382
01:50:51.199 --> 01:50:53.079
gets sidetracked by like this old man in a hut.
2383
01:50:53.140 --> 01:50:54.920
And then he goes back to the main action. You're like,
2384
01:50:54.960 --> 01:50:56.500
what was the old man in the hut thing having
2385
01:50:56.520 --> 01:50:59.560
to do with anything? And maybe if you were familiar
2386
01:50:59.720 --> 01:51:01.840
and from that culture or you knew the historical things,
2387
01:51:02.220 --> 01:51:05.050
you would get whatever that side thing was, whatever that
2388
01:51:05.109 --> 01:51:07.170
tangent was, but it's lost now.
2389
01:51:07.930 --> 01:51:10.449
On me now because I, I don't know.
2390
01:51:10.630 --> 01:51:13.130
So that would, unless I want to go down an
2391
01:51:13.449 --> 01:51:17.319
entirely new rabbit hole and learn like the entire like
2392
01:51:17.479 --> 01:51:20.159
history of like Nigeria or wherever it is that I'm
2393
01:51:20.199 --> 01:51:21.659
reading the stuff.
2394
01:51:22.859 --> 01:51:27.500
Um, then yeah. So, ah, that's one of the great things.
2395
01:51:27.539 --> 01:51:30.189
But one of the frustrating things about folklore is that again,
2396
01:51:30.229 --> 01:51:31.409
you take it out of its context.
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01:51:31.510 --> 01:51:34.250
It's what's happening.
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01:51:34.670 --> 01:51:35.550
Why is he in a hut now?
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01:51:35.569 --> 01:51:35.670
Yeah.
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01:51:37.100 --> 01:51:39.260
But then, you know, you're walking along, living your life,
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01:51:39.300 --> 01:51:42.439
doing something totally unrelated and you learn something and then
2402
01:51:42.460 --> 01:51:45.039
you realize it completely fixes the context of something you
2403
01:51:45.079 --> 01:51:46.460
read like five years ago. So you have to go
2404
01:51:46.479 --> 01:51:48.380
find it again because you're like, wait, wait, does that
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01:51:48.659 --> 01:51:49.279
have to do with this?
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01:51:50.180 --> 01:51:50.340
What?
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01:51:50.640 --> 01:51:52.100
That's why the hut.
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01:51:57.250 --> 01:51:59.810
I remember telling a friend of mine years and years ago,
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01:51:59.829 --> 01:52:01.050
I was like, you got to read Moby Dick. It
2410
01:52:01.090 --> 01:52:02.569
all falls back to Moby Dick. But I was like,
2411
01:52:02.590 --> 01:52:05.069
you got to read Moby Dick. And she came back
2412
01:52:05.109 --> 01:52:06.149
to me and I was like, did you get a
2413
01:52:06.189 --> 01:52:07.619
copy or something? She was like, well, I can only
2414
01:52:07.659 --> 01:52:10.140
find abridged and I want the unabridged. Like, why would
2415
01:52:10.159 --> 01:52:11.779
I want the abridged? And I had to tell her
2416
01:52:12.859 --> 01:52:19.000
the unabridged is a literal whaling manual. Oh, wow. It's
2417
01:52:19.039 --> 01:52:23.159
from that era when books were multi-purpose. It was literally
2418
01:52:23.199 --> 01:52:25.590
a whaling manual. Like you would learn how to tie
2419
01:52:25.649 --> 01:52:28.890
clove hitches and stuff from reading the book. So all
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01:52:28.930 --> 01:52:33.149
the stuff that's cut out was from once books kind
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01:52:33.189 --> 01:52:36.489
of hit their peak. relatively modern era where it was like, no,
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01:52:36.510 --> 01:52:39.430
I just want to read about Captain Ahab and the whale.
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01:52:39.449 --> 01:52:42.029
I don't want to learn how to put a sail up.
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01:52:42.090 --> 01:52:43.850
I don't want to learn how to set a sextant.
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01:52:44.310 --> 01:52:46.899
That was all in there because, because a lot of,
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01:52:47.029 --> 01:52:49.680
a lot of storytelling was used to get across really
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01:52:49.810 --> 01:52:52.979
like literal important information, not just figurative, like how to,
2428
01:52:53.899 --> 01:52:56.399
you know, cook something or how to survive on a
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01:52:56.439 --> 01:52:58.100
boat or whatever it might be.
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01:52:58.479 --> 01:52:59.960
Like if you read, have you read like a really
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01:53:00.020 --> 01:53:01.539
old cookbook, like from like 1800s? They're so weird.
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01:53:04.000 --> 01:53:09.319
They will, like, the friggin' recipe will say, like, first,
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01:53:09.960 --> 01:53:13.380
prepare a pan with boiled water and onions, like I
2434
01:53:13.420 --> 01:53:15.970
showed you. Then, and you're like, what? It's because you're
2435
01:53:15.989 --> 01:53:18.909
meant to read it from start to finish. Like, you're
2436
01:53:18.930 --> 01:53:20.729
not meant to go to, like, you're not meant to
2437
01:53:20.770 --> 01:53:22.949
just flip around. You're supposed to, when you buy the book,
2438
01:53:22.970 --> 01:53:24.770
you would open it up, read the beginning all the
2439
01:53:24.789 --> 01:53:27.409
way to the end, and then go back for reference. So,
2440
01:53:28.029 --> 01:53:31.180
it would, like, teach you basic things at the beginning,
2441
01:53:31.319 --> 01:53:33.260
and then just reference the other ones.
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01:53:33.279 --> 01:53:33.340
Oh.
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01:53:34.010 --> 01:53:36.010
So you would just be like, wait, what? Like I
2444
01:53:36.090 --> 01:53:37.470
showed you what the, what?
2445
01:53:38.210 --> 01:53:39.390
And it'd be like, yeah, it had a whole thing
2446
01:53:39.430 --> 01:53:41.590
about how to boil the onions to get this effect.
2447
01:53:41.970 --> 01:53:45.229
You're supposed to read it all. Like, so it's kind
2448
01:53:45.270 --> 01:53:47.270
of like that. They would put it into the narrative.
2449
01:53:47.590 --> 01:53:49.470
But it's still better than what they do now with
2450
01:53:49.569 --> 01:53:51.729
if you look up a recipe online and it's like
2451
01:53:52.189 --> 01:53:53.750
a 10-page story before you.
2452
01:53:53.569 --> 01:53:55.649
Get to it. SEO story.
2453
01:53:55.670 --> 01:53:56.289
The SEO story.
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01:53:56.350 --> 01:53:59.130
My grandmother used to always tell me, you know, my
2455
01:53:59.149 --> 01:54:00.800
grandmother used to always tell me that if you walk
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01:54:00.840 --> 01:54:03.399
the moors at night, a werewolf will eat you. Anyway,
2457
01:54:03.439 --> 01:54:06.579
this is plum pudding. You know, like what the, what?
2458
01:54:07.000 --> 01:54:10.720
And it's, yeah, it's entirely for search engine optimization, I guess,
2459
01:54:10.739 --> 01:54:11.920
because it doesn't make you like them.
2460
01:54:11.979 --> 01:54:13.810
That's for sure. Because you're sitting there.
2461
01:54:13.819 --> 01:54:15.449
You're just scrolling and scrolling. And I'm like, I just
2462
01:54:15.489 --> 01:54:16.729
want to know how to make a meat pie.
2463
01:54:17.109 --> 01:54:21.489
Standing in the kitchen with dirty sticky hands slowly moving
2464
01:54:21.510 --> 01:54:23.270
my phone through trying to find out how much olive
2465
01:54:23.340 --> 01:54:25.619
oil the stove's already on how much olive oil you
2466
01:54:25.659 --> 01:54:29.020
know this is getting really out of hand no it
2467
01:54:29.180 --> 01:54:33.850
yeah that's that's see that's like a dissertation worthy thing
2468
01:54:33.909 --> 01:54:40.270
like The, you know, whaling manual in Moby Dick versus
2469
01:54:40.390 --> 01:54:43.470
the heavily SEO storied recipes.
2470
01:54:43.750 --> 01:54:46.170
Like, is this actually the same thing? I don't know.
2471
01:54:46.189 --> 01:54:47.569
Oh my gosh, it is.
2472
01:54:47.670 --> 01:54:50.640
It's all, Sue, you're talking about like how we have
2473
01:54:50.649 --> 01:54:53.260
got modern day folklore stuff and are like urban legends.
2474
01:54:53.300 --> 01:54:59.880
And now we've got modern day whaling manuals and online recipes.
2475
01:55:00.319 --> 01:55:01.380
Everything that's old.
2476
01:55:01.859 --> 01:55:02.000
Yeah.
2477
01:55:02.039 --> 01:55:02.140
Yeah.
2478
01:55:02.810 --> 01:55:04.369
Everything that's old is new again.
2479
01:55:04.390 --> 01:55:07.649
I mean, we're literally doing a, an audio talk show
2480
01:55:08.069 --> 01:55:11.479
for people who will listen to it with advertisements placed,
2481
01:55:11.600 --> 01:55:12.609
you know, to support it.
2482
01:55:13.000 --> 01:55:14.199
And then people are going to be done with that.
2483
01:55:14.239 --> 01:55:15.079
And then they're going to put.
2484
01:55:15.039 --> 01:55:17.680
On Tubi so they can watch free movies with commercials
2485
01:55:17.800 --> 01:55:19.000
and be like, this is so great. I don't have
2486
01:55:19.020 --> 01:55:21.500
to subscribe to anything more. And it's like, okay, this
2487
01:55:21.619 --> 01:55:26.689
is 1964. Like everything that's old is new again. You know, it's, it's,
2488
01:55:27.310 --> 01:55:29.470
that's how it all started. And now we're there again
2489
01:55:29.550 --> 01:55:33.789
right now. Like that's, it's, uh yeah you know the
2490
01:55:33.829 --> 01:55:35.869
more i think about it the more profound i find
2491
01:55:35.909 --> 01:55:40.109
myself a lot less you know but but no i
2492
01:55:40.250 --> 01:55:43.149
i uh and thank you sincerely so much for like
2493
01:55:43.229 --> 01:55:47.180
hanging out and talking about this because there's so i
2494
01:55:47.220 --> 01:55:49.520
know there's so much folklore as obvious by like when
2495
01:55:49.539 --> 01:55:51.239
we first started nerding out about it it was so
2496
01:55:51.279 --> 01:55:55.159
hard to even focus i'm glad we in advance knew
2497
01:55:55.199 --> 01:55:57.079
we wanted to talk about one thing just so we
2498
01:55:57.100 --> 01:56:00.600
could land on it eventually yes but but like uh
2499
01:56:01.199 --> 01:56:04.729
It's been like such a blast. And I hope you'll
2500
01:56:04.770 --> 01:56:06.670
come back and do it again sometime. I'd be happy
2501
01:56:06.689 --> 01:56:09.750
to have you. We could definitely talk all about Satan.
2502
01:56:09.770 --> 01:56:12.989
I think that would be really interesting.
2503
01:56:13.050 --> 01:56:16.380
Well, because not only, you know, because there's so many
2504
01:56:16.409 --> 01:56:19.689
facets of that element, because you could talk about You know,
2505
01:56:19.710 --> 01:56:21.989
the literal text where Satan, you know, where it first
2506
01:56:22.050 --> 01:56:24.649
pops up. You talk about like the Satanism movements, which
2507
01:56:24.670 --> 01:56:26.840
I have a lot of really funny and bizarre opinions
2508
01:56:26.880 --> 01:56:30.260
about because I work in show business. You meet a
2509
01:56:30.300 --> 01:56:35.760
lot of self-styled Satanists and it's never fun. It's always lame.
2510
01:56:36.520 --> 01:56:37.020
I'm sorry.
2511
01:56:37.039 --> 01:56:39.300
I mean, I'm sure there are Satanists that are totally
2512
01:56:39.359 --> 01:56:43.439
cool folks. but I don't meet them. It's just not
2513
01:56:43.470 --> 01:56:43.979
been my luck.
2514
01:56:44.329 --> 01:56:47.409
It makes sense because it's also like, cause again, I'm, I'm,
2515
01:56:47.489 --> 01:56:50.090
I'm very gothy. And like one thing that a lot
2516
01:56:50.109 --> 01:56:52.140
of people don't understand about a lot of goths is
2517
01:56:52.229 --> 01:56:54.279
that we're just huge geeks and nerds.
2518
01:56:54.619 --> 01:56:54.819
Yeah.
2519
01:56:55.460 --> 01:56:58.039
And like, uh, I just remember distinctly this one time
2520
01:56:58.079 --> 01:57:02.369
I went to like this, uh, goth party. And, um, is, uh,
2521
01:57:02.590 --> 01:57:04.170
when I still lived in Atlanta, I had a lot
2522
01:57:04.250 --> 01:57:06.609
of like, uh, people that were big in the scene,
2523
01:57:06.649 --> 01:57:08.609
but also big in like the BDSM scene and stuff, because,
2524
01:57:08.630 --> 01:57:12.090
you know, there's a big overlap. And, uh, what we
2525
01:57:12.149 --> 01:57:15.029
ended up doing is just watching strong bads emails.
2526
01:57:15.550 --> 01:57:17.949
Like, Oh my God. We are, we are in the
2527
01:57:17.989 --> 01:57:18.710
same generation.
2528
01:57:18.729 --> 01:57:18.810
Yeah.
2529
01:57:19.510 --> 01:57:21.550
I will never write a song about libby i will
2530
01:57:21.590 --> 01:57:23.029
never write a song about libby.
2531
01:57:23.090 --> 01:57:26.510
Like like we're not doing any sort of creepy occult
2532
01:57:26.609 --> 01:57:28.949
things and stuff like that all these like you know
2533
01:57:29.109 --> 01:57:30.729
gothy people where it's just like.
2534
01:57:31.350 --> 01:57:42.020
Uh emails and like it was at a house that's
2535
01:57:42.060 --> 01:57:44.220
like a huge anime geek and stuff like that and
2536
01:57:44.239 --> 01:57:47.229
like we're just we're just we're not cool we're uh
2537
01:57:47.449 --> 01:57:48.329
so yeah.
2538
01:57:48.630 --> 01:57:50.649
Yeah no we are cool that's the thing well you
2539
01:57:50.689 --> 01:57:51.550
were awesome.
2540
01:57:51.989 --> 01:57:54.800
Yes we're cool and um but i mean like like
2541
01:57:54.939 --> 01:57:57.079
to your point with like the the satanists and stuff
2542
01:57:57.100 --> 01:57:59.100
that you they're not like cool people it was because
2543
01:57:59.279 --> 01:58:02.199
no they're probably just huge geeks too or like.
2544
01:58:02.300 --> 01:58:04.970
I wish oh no they weren't even that they're clever
2545
01:58:05.029 --> 01:58:06.590
i don't know they just think.
2546
01:58:06.329 --> 01:58:08.050
They're so smart all right now i know who you're
2547
01:58:08.069 --> 01:58:09.949
talking about what kind of people okay because i also
2548
01:58:10.359 --> 01:58:12.739
I would also encounter them in like the goth community
2549
01:58:12.760 --> 01:58:15.000
and thought they were like too cool for school kind
2550
01:58:15.039 --> 01:58:17.319
of thing those are not the fun goths if you
2551
01:58:17.380 --> 01:58:19.810
like the I had an ex who was also like
2552
01:58:19.829 --> 01:58:21.609
that who saw like I'm gothier than that and he
2553
01:58:21.630 --> 01:58:23.689
would like try to out goth people and he also
2554
01:58:23.710 --> 01:58:26.350
thought he was super duper smart and stuff and he
2555
01:58:26.369 --> 01:58:26.729
was not and.
2556
01:58:29.340 --> 01:58:30.800
Whenever I see somebody who's like, let me show you
2557
01:58:30.819 --> 01:58:31.380
how smart I am.
2558
01:58:31.420 --> 01:58:33.039
I'm like, okay, let me show you how good at
2559
01:58:33.199 --> 01:58:37.310
talking I am. Because that's way more valuable if you
2560
01:58:37.350 --> 01:58:39.609
want to look smart, but not be smart.
2561
01:58:40.970 --> 01:58:42.970
And a lot easier to have happen naturally.
2562
01:58:43.310 --> 01:58:45.989
But no, I mean, and I run in a lot
2563
01:58:46.010 --> 01:58:48.609
of these like horror circles, obviously, and like Weekly Spooky's
2564
01:58:48.649 --> 01:58:51.180
got this audience of people who love scary stuff all
2565
01:58:51.220 --> 01:58:51.489
year long.
2566
01:58:51.810 --> 01:58:54.460
We're some of the most friendly, tender people.
2567
01:58:55.729 --> 01:58:59.890
People who love to talk about emotions and good things
2568
01:58:59.970 --> 01:59:04.130
and bad things. We're totally not what somebody would expect
2569
01:59:04.170 --> 01:59:06.109
to the point where when people think when I meet
2570
01:59:06.130 --> 01:59:08.270
somebody who thinks horror people are kind of intense I'm
2571
01:59:08.310 --> 01:59:10.390
confused because I've never known it to be that way
2572
01:59:10.909 --> 01:59:13.010
so like I don't even understand the notion.
2573
01:59:12.989 --> 01:59:16.250
No because like horror is a way for us to
2574
01:59:16.430 --> 01:59:19.140
like it's a catharsis so like I feel like people
2575
01:59:19.229 --> 01:59:21.140
that are into things like and by the way I
2576
01:59:21.149 --> 01:59:23.319
have to I have to say horror because if I
2577
01:59:23.439 --> 01:59:27.020
say horror then my southerness will slip out I told
2578
01:59:27.039 --> 01:59:29.159
you before I don't usually have an accent but for
2579
01:59:29.199 --> 01:59:31.960
some reason whenever I say horror it just sounds like
2580
01:59:31.979 --> 01:59:33.420
I'm talking about.
2581
01:59:33.319 --> 01:59:34.140
A lady of the evening.
2582
01:59:34.520 --> 01:59:38.739
So, uh, why we like horror is, uh, and it
2583
01:59:38.779 --> 01:59:41.270
does help like to, to your point, like, like it
2584
01:59:41.279 --> 01:59:44.670
helps us be able to like kind of process emotions
2585
01:59:44.729 --> 01:59:46.630
and process things and stuff a lot better than other
2586
01:59:46.649 --> 01:59:49.569
people who just kind of like keep it all in, um,
2587
01:59:49.729 --> 01:59:54.229
and stuff. And, um, but yeah, I also, my experience
2588
01:59:54.270 --> 01:59:56.930
with like fellow horror lovers and stuff is that.
2589
01:59:57.270 --> 01:59:58.760
Yeah, they're usually the nicest.
2590
01:59:59.600 --> 01:59:59.899
Oh, sure.
2591
01:59:59.909 --> 02:00:00.720
They're super friendly.
2592
02:00:00.739 --> 02:00:00.819
Yeah.
2593
02:00:01.439 --> 02:00:04.399
Super welcoming, uh, you know, cause, cause they're all, they
2594
02:00:04.420 --> 02:00:06.979
were all like kind of outcasts at some point and
2595
02:00:07.020 --> 02:00:08.649
then found their group.
2596
02:00:09.119 --> 02:00:14.130
Yeah. And their people, their people, people, cause like, uh,
2597
02:00:14.949 --> 02:00:21.170
circling back again, like, uh, horror itself is about like, um, like, like,
2598
02:00:21.409 --> 02:00:23.890
like our own person, like our, our fears, whether they're
2599
02:00:23.930 --> 02:00:30.399
micro or macro. And I think there's something, um, very like, uh, like,
2600
02:00:30.729 --> 02:00:35.760
community like very communal about like experiencing those those stories
2601
02:00:36.380 --> 02:00:40.079
with others and stuff um like uh it's almost like
2602
02:00:40.119 --> 02:00:43.100
a group therapy like you you you get to realize
2603
02:00:43.239 --> 02:00:46.220
oh other people have these kinds of like anxieties these
2604
02:00:46.260 --> 02:00:49.220
kinds of fears i'm not alone in this and stuff
2605
02:00:49.479 --> 02:00:51.760
and not only the people who made this movie but
2606
02:00:51.819 --> 02:00:54.090
other people who are watching it with me uh and
2607
02:00:54.100 --> 02:00:57.409
stuff like we're all we're all in this together kind
2608
02:00:57.449 --> 02:01:00.850
of thing and and i think that's pretty cool So.
2609
02:01:01.649 --> 02:01:06.220
I could not have done a better final soundbite than that.
2610
02:01:06.359 --> 02:01:07.479
Like, God damn.
2611
02:01:07.920 --> 02:01:11.779
So real quick, tell people where they can find you online,
2612
02:01:11.800 --> 02:01:15.300
where they can find your books, you know, because if
2613
02:01:15.340 --> 02:01:17.359
they don't like you by now, then they're never going
2614
02:01:17.380 --> 02:01:17.720
to like you.
2615
02:01:17.899 --> 02:01:18.359
Oh, no.
2616
02:01:18.699 --> 02:01:20.619
But that's fair. That's OK.
2617
02:01:22.699 --> 02:01:27.359
So it would be the hollow sun, like H-O-L-L-O-W sun, S-U-N,
2618
02:01:27.399 --> 02:01:29.640
like the like a sun in the sky that got
2619
02:01:29.840 --> 02:01:35.489
hollowed out. theholosun.com and that's where it's got links to
2620
02:01:35.529 --> 02:01:38.350
be able to buy the book and find different ways
2621
02:01:38.399 --> 02:01:41.659
to interact with me online and stuff like that.
2622
02:01:42.579 --> 02:01:44.000
And also, if.
2623
02:01:43.960 --> 02:01:46.619
You liked the story of the stragoi that cut people's
2624
02:01:46.680 --> 02:01:50.319
mouths off, that's actually in my first book. There's a
2625
02:01:50.520 --> 02:01:53.939
serial killer that the media calls the Grin Reaper because
2626
02:01:53.960 --> 02:01:54.619
that's how he.
2627
02:01:54.539 --> 02:01:58.520
Leaves his victims. And it's a stragoi with that M.O.
2628
02:01:59.569 --> 02:02:02.439
I love that. No, that's, that's so good. The link
2629
02:02:02.449 --> 02:02:05.020
will be in the show notes, guys. Check out her work.
2630
02:02:05.520 --> 02:02:09.229
I'm assuming you have audio books available since or no. Oh,
2631
02:02:09.390 --> 02:02:10.609
did I bring up a sore subject?
2632
02:02:11.420 --> 02:02:13.600
Yeah, I've always been too busy doing other people's work
2633
02:02:13.619 --> 02:02:16.840
because I'm also a voice actor. But I have been
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taking a break from doing a lot of the work
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I used to do for this year and going into
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next year. So I'm going to be taking that little
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break to try to work on my own stuff, get
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those audio books out.
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If it makes you feel any better.
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I mean, I do this podcast so much. I have
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a few books I published that I worked with an
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author on. And it took me, there's still one or
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there's still two of them that don't have audio books.
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But like, it took me three years to do three
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of them. Like, even though I'm in the booth almost
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every day. So like, it's hard. It's hard when you're
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already worrying about clients and stuff. And the last thing
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you want to do with the remaining fun part of
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your day is choke down some slippery Dutch elm and
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try to get through one more hour, you know?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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I already worked. I said sometimes like 14 hour days
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and stuff. So it's like, I just, yeah.
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Well, we appreciate you taking some time out of your,
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out of your schedule to do this. And I hope
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we can do it again. Maybe we'll, uh, we'll talk
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all about Satan. Maybe, uh, December we'll talk about werewolves. Cause, uh,
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that new, uh, werewolf movie by, uh, Eggers, uh, the new, uh,
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the guy who did Nosferatu recently, he has a new
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werewolf movie coming out at Christmas time. So maybe we'll, uh,
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We'll do that and we can unwrap it for a
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little early Christmas present.
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Well, that'd be fun.
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We already talked a little bit about werewolves, but I'd
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be up for talking about even more different werewolf lore
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from all over.
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Awesome. Thank you again.
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Thank you.