When Relationship With God Produces Power | Alton Kiing, Part 1

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We start praying for him.
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We knew something happened because he cussed at us.
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And so he's like, Oh, shh, what did you do to my leg?
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What did you do to my leg?
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I said, We didn't do anything.
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What happened?
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He's like, all the pain that was in my leg left.
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I don't have any pain in the area where my ACL was torn.
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I ate even though I didn't have physical food.
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It was the weirdest sensation to feel full, even though I didn't eat anything.
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Whether you have the gift of healing or not, or the gift of the working of miracles, when you declare the gospel to people and pray for people for healing, it happens.
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Yeah.
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God does things.
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He says, Go into all the world preaching.
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It says the Lord worked with them, confirming the word with the accompanying signs.
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Welcome to We Going Up.
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This is your proclamation of elevation in a space where we have conversations that pull you up.
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I'm your host, Portia Carter.
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Today I have the pleasure of sitting down with a musician, singer, songwriter, low-key comedian, high-key matchmaker, and a creative whose music has become a part of some people's biggest life moments.
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And if you know the fiance anthem, she's about the the uh wife keeps talking about me.
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That's the song.
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So y'all help me welcome.
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I'll take it.
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What's up, guys?
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I'm so happy to have you.
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How are you?
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I'm good.
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Thank you for having me.
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It's an honor.
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You're good.
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It's beautiful.
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Oh, yeah.
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Beautiful.
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It's a set that feels like relaxed and just homey and chill.
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Y'all are just like, Yeah, it does.
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Yeah, it's chill.
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I'm so glad.
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You said you what?
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I said I'm doing this with my friends, so it's like Yes, yes.
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Okay, so I always start with this or that, but before we get into this or that, I do want to let you know that um there was a moment, because you know, I feel like any time that we hang out is very spontaneous, unplanned.
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There was a moment we had an unplanned, spontaneous hangout, and I was just telling you some of the things that I had been through, and then explaining how I wanted to get back into hosting portion, you know, back into hosting.
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And you for a good, I don't know how many hours, because you got you can talk, but you gave me a full blueprint, and I believe this is the start of that blueprint.
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And so thank you.
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You're welcome.
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You played a major part in this.
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That's why I wanted to have you on.
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I'm like, we got to have my boy on because he really was giving me, you know what I'm saying, the the the T's to cross and the I's to dot and making sure that this goes forth.
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And what's crazy is I didn't have this in mind.
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It was written down since 2021, but I didn't have this in mind when we were having that conversation.
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You know, and now that God has brought it back full circle, it's like here we are.
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Yeah, and you're doing it.
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So obviously, God's grace, but you're doing it.
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Um God be the glory.
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You took the steps, you got the vision down, you implemented where you needed to.
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You got the crew and the team and the people.
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You're doing it.
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This is a part of the blueprint.
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You gave me a full blueprint.
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I was just listening, like I don't even got a show idea.
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That was actually a year ago.
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Yeah, I was like, it was in September last year.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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I wonder what day that was.
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September 14th.
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Okay, you remember that distinctly.
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Okay.
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I do.
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Wow.
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I was like, this ought to be like a year ago.
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I remember it was close.
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Wow.
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That's crazy.
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I remember congratulations to you.
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This is a big deal.
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Can we just clap it up for a clap it up a Porsche?
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Come on, come on, come on.
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Glory to God, we're going up.
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Okay.
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We is going up.
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Okay, so this is a little this or that.
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You can only choose one.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Coffee or tea?
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You like them both that hard?
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I started drinking coffee more regularly recently because I found a place in town named uh it's called Wayward Coffee, and they have something called a gold rush, and that's where my mind first one is the one coffee I really like.
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But other than that, I'd say tea.
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So I'm gonna go with tea because I usually drink tea before I drink coffee.
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I'm not a coffee person, I'm a little bit more of a matcha person, but whatever.
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Ew, you drink grass?
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It's crazy because I ain't even ever had a matcha, but it just looked like grass, so I don't want it.
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There people say it is a little earthy, but it's the way that you order it, and it depends on where you get it from.
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And I've had good matcha, and it's actually a nice little slow rise versus the spike you get from coffee.
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It's got L-theanine in it, and so that's part of what offsets some of the caffeine spike you get.
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But anyways, so it's like grass coffee, uh, with flavor and syrups and vanilla.
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You can put all kinds of stuff in there.
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Okay, I asked this because of just some things that I know about you.
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Ethiopian food or Mexican food?
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I'm from San Antonio, I grew up on a lot of Mexican food.
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In the last several years, I've had a lot of Ethiopian food, and that started in 2018.
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Um, they have this tradition in Ethiopia where if it's your first time eating Ethiopian food, they hand feed you your first bite.
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It's called Gersha.
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And so after that, I like like give it to you.
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Yeah, because you have to your mouth.
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Yeah, they're looking up.
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It's called Gersha.
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Uh G-U-R-S-H-A, I believe.
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But um that's hard.
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You know what?
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I've been eating way more Ethiopian than I have Mexican right now, unless it's tacos.
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I'm gonna go with Ethiopian food.
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Okay.
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Ethiopian food.
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You know, I knew you loved Mexican food too.
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But you always post in your Ethiopians.
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Yeah, I'm always posting Ethiopian lately.
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And I found two really good spots here in Dallas that I really love.
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One of them is called Shiba's Ethiopian Kitchen, the other one's called Bana.
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Which is more Eritrean-owned, but nonetheless Habisha.
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It's not in that same space.
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You're so multicultural.
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Sometimes, sometimes you black.
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Sometimes you ever sometimes you Dominican.
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No, no, no, no.
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I know black I Dominican.
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I know black Dominican.
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Hey Low-key comedian for sure.
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Um, okay, city life or somewhere peaceful and secluded.
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Uh, you know, I've done both.
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I think I'm gonna go with where I am today.
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I just got back from New York a couple months ago.
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I went out there.
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I I like the city life, but I do also like really like quiet, serene places.
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I lived in a mountain town at one point in Northern California, and it was very much literally the mountains and the lakes.
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And that's all you had.
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The city was maybe 90,000 people.
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So you got used to it.
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I did camping, I did all types of stuff out there that I normally would never do.
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You were able to see the stars at night?
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Oh, yeah.
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We count shooting stars.
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I think one night I counted like 13 shooting stars.
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It's incredible.
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Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen one of those.
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To see 13 in one night was pretty crazy, I'm not gonna lie.
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It was it was wild, and they were happening like every 30 minutes or so.
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Yeah.
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Some of them I would be looking straight up and I'd see it, and then others, it would be like in my peripheral, and then I can turn and see it real quick before it went out.
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It's crazy.
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See, I live so much city life that I don't know when I would ever be able to see.
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I've been camping before to where I was able to see the stars and they were like so potent, like big.
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I was so like, this is what it looks like when I'm not in the city.
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Yeah, it's nice.
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I'm not gonna lie.
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It's a phenomenon.
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It's one of those things.
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The one thing I haven't seen yet that I would love to see is northern lights.
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Now that's great.
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You've never seen northern lights, just Google it online.
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It's a phenomenon.
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Yeah, it's a phenomenon.
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Anyways, sorry.
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Late nights or early mornings?
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Late nights.
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I believe that a lot of I am not a morning person at all.
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I believe that's not a morning person.
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I I like slow mornings.
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In fact, I usually try not to do anything for the first two to three hours of my day.
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I really try not to pick up my phone unless I'm turning on my Bible app to listen to scriptures, or um, I'll grab like my sleep mask and put it back on to block out a lot of the light in the room.
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Um, I used to kind of like black out the room with, you know, over the windows, curtains, or whatever.
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But um yeah, I'm a slow morning person, which is crazy because I'm very social and extroverted.
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So when I'm on, I'm really on.
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The morning time's not it though.
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I just don't want to talk to people.
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I'm very like, if I got like 6 a.m.
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call times or 8 a.m.
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even, I'm just like, I'm just not there.
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It's like it takes a second for me to like, I have to tell people like it's not you, you didn't do anything wrong.
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I'm just not a morning person.
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I completely understand.
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And they're expecting you to be the person that I am at like 2 p.m.
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And I'm like, nah, I'm not there yet.
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But yeah, I think you accidentally text me back one time in the morning and was like, wait a minute, I don't be texting this morning.
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No, I don't be texting this early, so I'll catch you back after one.
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Okay, she okay.
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To be fair, she texts and I was kind of like still laying with one eye open and I fired back a quick little response.
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And she was like, dang, are uh you gonna answer my other questions?
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She did ask questions.
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Like, you don't like greetings?
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Good morning.
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Yeah, and I I didn't really that's what it was, and I didn't really respond back like in a way that was like because it was an accident, you're not a morning person.
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I just completely bypassed the greeting, bypassed all the stuff, and just answered the question.
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And then I was like, Oh, I'm so sorry.
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I'm not a morning person.
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I don't think I actually actually finished responding until hours later.
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I think after that I put the phone back.
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But I was up, I was fine with the answer.
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I'm so sorry.
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Please forgive me.
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Please forgive me.
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I don't take no offense.
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Okay.
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I don't take no offense.
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I was definitely like, oh, I definitely that you got my morning.
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Yeah.
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I don't take no offense to that.
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I just brought it up because it was funny to me.
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If I've ever done that to anybody, I'm so sorry.
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Please forgive me.
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I I mean no harm.
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I love you.
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I really do.
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Like my heart.
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Like it's seven o'clock at here.
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Like, I'm just waiting.
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Yeah, that's too much.
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Okay, so last one, sweet or salty snacks.
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Oh, okay.
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When you say snacks, then yeah, sweet.
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Yeah.
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I'm a sweets person.
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So you like a cake and a little double cookie.
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I like a lot of sweets.
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I like Double Tree cookies.
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Okay.
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Double tree cookies are.
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Y'all, it's the chocolate chip.
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Where is a double tree at around here?
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Double Tree Hotel, just Google one.
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And the thing is, I don't even stay at the Double Tree Hotel that much anymore.
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I'll just walk in there and be like, hey, I just want to get two cookies.
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And usually they give them to me.
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Or I'll offer to buy them a water, or I'll buy water from them.
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And so, you know, at least I'm giving them some kind of business, right?
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And then they just give me two cookies.
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Sometimes they tell me no.
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Sometimes they've told me no.
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You got you got favored with a double treat.
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Yeah, I also just walk in there like I I'm supposed to be there.
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So I'm like, oh hey, yeah, can I get two cookies?
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Thanks so much.
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Appreciate you so much.
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And then they just give them to me.
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That's nice.
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I'm more of a salty girl.
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Okay.
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I love me a good chip.
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For a snack.
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Love me a good chip.
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No, I ain't salty like, you know, got, you know, salty, salty, but.
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Yeah.
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I'm saying, like, for snacks.
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A little snack.
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Love me.
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I would I would prefer to eat chips over a cake any day.
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Oh, see?
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Yeah, we're different than that.
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I would prefer a bag of cashews over a donut.
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Yeah.
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There's a place in town.
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There's two locations, three locations.
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Two of them downtown Dallas.
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One is in downtown Fort Worth.
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It's called Emporium Pies.
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They have a drunken nut, is what it's called.
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Incredible.
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It's an incredible pie.
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Great.
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The mixture ain't bad too.
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The sweet and salty mixture sometimes.
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It is nice.
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It's a little bit like that.
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But I could also do kicking it.
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That's what I get when I eat like fries and ice cream together.
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Okay, I can do fries and ice cream.
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I can get with that.
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I don't mix certain things sweet and savory like pineapples on pizza.
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That will never make sense to me.
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I don't understand how to do that.
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You get that all the time.
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Wow.
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Do you do crack?
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Whenever I do.
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Do you do crack?
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Crack is whack.
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Please shut up.
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Crack is whack.
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Interview.
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Interview over.
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Not do you do crack?
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Oh my goodness.
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But pineapple and pizza is nasty.
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But you know what?
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Everyone has their own thing.
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Everybody has their own thing.
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That's cool.
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There's no shade.
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If I'm eating pizza, I'm adding pineapples.
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You know what I'm saying?
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It's a little Hawaiian situation.
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A little Hawaiian gal in it inside.
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You know?
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Whatever.
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Me no like, me no like, me no like.
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No, no, no.
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Me no say.
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Me no say.
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No.
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No me gusta.
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No me gusta.
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No, no, no.
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You're like the only friend I can really speak Spanish with and try my best.
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Habla, sonor.
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Oh, okay.
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How do you say stop?
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Como se dice stop?
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Oh, God, I forgot stop.
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I don't know.
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Okay, so we could put it into that one.
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No, no, no, no.
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No, no, no.
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Stop.
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That's terrible.
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Because that's all I got for you.
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To my Latin community, I have plenty of Latin friends.
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I promise I love y'all.
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It's nothing personal.
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I've talked Spanish for so many years of my life.
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Don't put this online.
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We're cutting this.
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The whole Latin community.
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Anyways.
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No, we love them.
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We're we're keeping this actually.
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Yeah.
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So um, take us back to the beginning.
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Who was Alton King before the musician, the songwriter?
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Um, before you started being as wonderful and influential as you are, what were you like in your younger days?
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And are you doing anything now that you once dreamed of?
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Um so there's a couple things.
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Okay, so to answer your first question, I feel like I'm kind of the same as I was growing up.
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Like I've always been social, I've always enjoyed laughing, and people.
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My parents um were both musical.
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So my dad played drums, my mom was a singer and played piano.
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So I was raised in a musical household.
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That's always been a part of my life.
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Um and then I grew up in church, so church has always been a part of my life.
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Um, and as far as like things that I'm doing now, did I dream of that when I was younger?
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Some of this stuff, no, because it wasn't in my mind.
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It wasn't something I thought of.
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Um, there's things that I'm doing now that I didn't even think I'd be doing even at the end of high school.
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Like it wasn't in my mind.
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So a lot of stuff kind of unfolded after high school, which was around the time that I got saved.
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I got saved my senior year in high school, and then after that, so a lot of things changed because I had my life going in one direction.
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At one point, I wanted to be an athlete.
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I played basketball, football, and baseball.
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And then at another point, I wanted to um just be a good keyboardist or organist that could play for Dorinda Clark Cole or somebody.
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Like that was my headspace.
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I grew up in church playing the drums, the piano, and the organs.
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So for me, not saying in the choir a little bit, it was a tenor.
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Oh, anyways.
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So that was some of what we grew up on like Hezekiah Walker, James Hall, Ricky Diller type stuff.
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Save.
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Yeah, so you know, they bark, you know.
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They do.
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So I grew up on that, but I didn't see myself doing a lot of those things going into college, so I didn't really know what I wanted to do.
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And then God started to like give me vision of where my life was going, and then people would prophesy to me, and then just different things would happen that let me know, like, oh, this is where you want me to go.
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And so certain talents or gifts, if you will, weren't there in my eight, nine, 10-year-old, you know, life, 12-year-old life, 15-year-old life.
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Some of that stuff came after I was uh, you know, a college student.
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So it was like, okay, I'm following whatever I feel like God's telling me to do right now.
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I don't know what that is.
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So it meant bouncing around in different majors.
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Uh at one point I was majoring in business.
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And then at one point I had a desire for business, and it was something that um was spoken over me.
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And so I was like, all right, faith with works.
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I gotta go do something.
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I businesses just don't form themselves.
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I gotta learn how to do this.
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And then I started to get into a communications degree because I had a professor I really, really, really enjoyed, and uh he almost convinced me to change my major, but I ultimately landed in a production program.
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And so at that point, I'd already been songwriting a little bit after my senior in high school.
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During my senior year in high school, that turned into getting into this production program where I learned how to produce.
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And so it's like, okay, well, if I can be a musician, then I can be a songwriter, if I can be a songwriter, then I can produce.
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If I can produce, maybe I can be an artist.
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And it was around that time that I also started leading worship.
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So those things just kind of like fell into one another, but I never saw myself as any of that.
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I really only saw myself as like a church musician.
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Like I play organ and keys, like that's it.
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So church musician turned worship leader, yeah.
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And even then, that wasn't a thing.
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I didn't I didn't grow up leading worship, so for me, that was not a part of my life.
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I was playing for choirs, I played for praise teams, but I was never a worship leader because I didn't see myself as that.
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Um, you know, and then I thought at one point, like maybe I'll go into physical therapy.
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I had a girlfriend at the time.
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Her mother didn't believe in my music dreams and things that I was doing in school.
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Um, she was in school to become a pharmacist.
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She's not a pharmacist, a professor, and a researcher in Oklahoma.
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And I'm doing this thing in music.
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So she's trying to figure out what is my daughter doing with a musician, right?
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No shade to her.
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You know, she's married now, she has a child.
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I think they might have a second one on the way.
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I don't know.
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But the point is, this was something that she didn't believe in.
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And so it made me second guess.
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Well, maybe I should do something.
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I thought I was in love and all that.
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So I was like, I'm gonna try to make it work.
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That means going and getting a degree in physical therapy, something that has a little bit more of a promising like career path for the long haul.
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Or maybe I can be a cop.
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So I was on my way to the police academy.
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Yeah.
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In Oakland.
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I cannot see it.
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Not not worship leader, Alton King, not the whole artist, not the one who got albums and singles and music videos.
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Yo, beat these videos are lit.
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Well, yeah, I just was, and I was in a production program.
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So the lady that brought me into the program, um, I guess she was like the advisor over the the whole school.
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Um she was actually an agnostic lesbian.
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And she told me she was like, Hey, uh sit down.
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I was like, what's what's good, what's up?
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She was like, You're mentioning this whole thing about going into physical therapy, maybe becoming a cop and all that.
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And I get it.
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You're trying to do your thing, you want to support your girl and you want to make the family happy.
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Are you gonna be okay waking up every day in this career path and you feel fulfilled doing what you're doing?
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And I had already been carrying like a tension about the whole thing.
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It was like this thing in me that was like, I don't know that you know what?
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Actually, no, I I I I wouldn't.
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I'd just be doing it for her.
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Which seems noble.
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Yeah, and she did.
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And so I was like, huh.
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I wouldn't be fulfilled doing this.
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I actually feel like protected and serving the world or the city or wherever you was gonna be.
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And mind you, I tried to find things that I thought.
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We need to protect and serve you.
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Because you just be outside.
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We need to make sure we got a leash, some borders around you, you know what I'm saying?
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Heads of protection I'll be praying, Lori.
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Put a head of protection around my brain.
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It's just okay.
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So I tried to find things that fit my personality, that would fit my interests within these career paths.
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I like helping people, so I can see myself doing that with physical therapy.
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I like um, you know, aiding in situations that could be challenging or whatever, right?
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And so it's like the police work does that, you know, the physical therapy work does that.
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I'll always be no two days are gonna be alike.
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There's gonna be differences every day.
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I like spontaneity.
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I do like my life to be mixed up.
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I don't want to be behind a desk at a cubicle for 40 hours a week.
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That would be the death of me, right?
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I so I don't care for that.
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Uh my brain just I'd quit.
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I'd probably just quit and be like, I'm not doing that.
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So if I gotta do what I gotta do, I do what I gotta do.
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But if I have a choice, I don't want to do that.
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So um, yeah, I don't know.
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I felt like police work would be great.
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It's in the community, it's tons of opportunity to get your adrenaline pumping because crazy stuff's popping off.
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I did a ride along with the officer for a shift.
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It was like a 12-hour shift, 10-hour shift, and I got to ask him questions and then I'll be throwing the lights on, he's driving, trying to, you know, catch people.
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They had somebody that, you know, was stealing at the mall.
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So we went by the mall.
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I used to always go to, and he was like, you had to put her in cuffs and take her down and get her all booked and everything.
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And so for me, it was like at the same time, I also saw an opportunity to be like a positive reinforcement in the community, especially wearing a badge.
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And I know the relationship between cops and a lot of communities that look like you and I.
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So I was like, maybe that could be a way that I could bring a positive light to the police force and to show like not all cops are bad.
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Um, I had a letter of a recommendation from the former chief Book of Miss City Police Department, um, MT Berry, rest his soul, he just passed away a couple months ago.
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Um, he was the bass player at our church too.
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And then um a 20-year vet gave me their recommendation.
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I had another recommendation from a federal officer.
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And so I could have gone city, local state, or it was really almost in the works.
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Oh no, this was a real thing.
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I actually went to go do my a test.
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I did my, you know, they have you do like a pre academy assessment, which basically check tests your physical fitness.
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I'm so glad you didn't do it.
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Yeah.
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I mean, no, no, no shade to like, you know, that area of work, but you didn't belong there.
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Or at least I don't think.
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Yeah, I don't think it's what God had for me.
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And so So to kind of come back to your original question, um, what I saw myself doing, I took I went all that way just to say it changed over time because I was finding myself, I was finding the direction God wanted me to go.
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I was finding out things about my life that some of which made sense and seemed to stay intact both before I got saved and after, but some of it was new that came along afterwards.
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And then of course, with the girlfriend at the time and all the things, I was like, well, maybe I can set my calling aside and do this.
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It seemed noble at first.
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Learned a hard lesson in that to never set my calling aside ever again.
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The things that God actually called me to do, even if it's in favor of trying to like, you know, be whatever I thought my girlfriend's family needed me to be at the time.
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So yeah, listen to anyone out there.
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If it requires you laying down your God-given calling, like you need to just probably look elsewhere.
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Yeah.
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It shouldn't cause you, your relationship shouldn't pull you out of what God called you to.
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But, anyways, um, that's a whole other conversation.
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Is this talking too much?
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I feel like I'm on a ramble.
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If y'all are if y'all are feeling like it's all over the place, it probably is a little bit.
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It's not her, it's me.
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It's my age.
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It's not her friends, it's fine.
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Um, one thing that you mentioned in in this spill, um, you said that you grew up in church, but then you said you got saved like in your teen years.
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Or so can you unpack that?
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Because I often say a lot of the times, for those of us who grew up in church, sometimes we think we got a free ticket into heaven.
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Right.
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Like we grew up in church, so we think we just we in there with the Lord.
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You know what I'm saying?
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So can you can you unpack the difference between going to growing up in church and actually giving a making a decision to live your life for the Lord?
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Yeah, I mean, I grew up in a Baptist church.
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My parents taught us the word, my parents taught us scripture.
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Like we were at church, I was involved, I was a junior deacon.
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We had to take a vow of celibacy, walk down the aisle at 13.
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This is like heavy purity culture.
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Well, no.
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No.
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So what ended up happening was, you know, I grew up in a space where I understood some of the rules and systems of church, but I didn't have a relationship with the Lord.
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But I knew God was real.
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But by the end of my senior year, I was kind of tired of it.
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I had been like the church guy, I had been like, you know, whatever, like the musician, the junior deacon, the in the choir, was in Sunday school, VBS, was I we had shut ins.
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Like it was a I was in all the things with church, you know.
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And then if I wasn't specific to my department, it would be like I'm supporting the senior choir and this over here and all that.
00:24:42.400 --> 00:24:46.240
So I was kind of over it because for me, again, there's no relationship in it.
00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:49.279
It was just like things I was doing, and I was also going through a lot.
00:24:49.440 --> 00:24:51.200
Some of it was just teenage woes, right?
00:24:51.680 --> 00:24:59.440
But I had like anger issues, or I was fighting in school, or like, you know, at times um, you know, getting suspended or whatever.
00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:02.400
I had a I got in trouble a lot with my teachers because I talked back a lot.
00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:04.960
I was very defiant, I didn't like authority.
00:25:05.200 --> 00:25:11.359
And so my teachers would try to bargain with me because I had more control over my classroom than my teachers did.
00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:14.559
So, like, if you behave, they behave.
00:25:14.799 --> 00:25:17.039
If you act up, they gonna act up.
00:25:17.119 --> 00:25:22.960
We need you to like work with us, and then even at church, and so I guess it was early signs of leadership.
00:25:23.119 --> 00:25:28.240
I just didn't know how to like cultivate that yet because I was just kind of thinking about doing me, right?
00:25:28.400 --> 00:25:32.960
I'm a teenager, but I also had um developed like a porn addiction early on.
00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:38.960
There was just other things that had developed out of that, and so for me, my head space was all over the place.
00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:43.759
I was in the process of trying to buy a gun for$500 from a friend, nine millimeter.
00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:46.799
I used to have very angry thoughts about hurting people.
00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:49.119
Um, I wanted to shoot people.
00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:56.720
And so it was just like I was in a I was in a I was in a weird place and still love music, still love church.
00:25:56.799 --> 00:25:57.759
And that was an outlet for me.
00:25:57.839 --> 00:26:00.559
So it was nice, it was therapeutic to be able to play or to be at church.
00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:03.839
But when I would get in trouble, my parents would take that from me, so I couldn't play at church sometimes.
00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:04.960
And so it's like that was my punishment.
00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:06.960
Because they knew I loved it.
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They knew I loved it.
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So they they went after stuff that they knew I enjoyed, and it's like, okay, Lord was using you, and it was also a place where I was getting in trouble because I was getting in trouble at church sometimes too.
00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:18.720
Okay, yeah.
00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:21.440
So you was one of the church musicians, musicians.
00:26:21.759 --> 00:26:22.799
Yeah, I was a church musician.
00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:23.759
Oh my goodness.
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:26.559
But in the sense of like, at that time, you know, as a teenager.
00:26:27.039 --> 00:26:33.680
We are church musicians, we got a stigma, but um, it's really the bass players and the drummers.
00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:38.799
But, anyways, um, and he shook his head, yes, because he knows so And the men of God on the keys.
00:26:39.359 --> 00:26:41.599
I'm thinking the men of God on the keys, too.
00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:47.519
Yeah, keys players are saints, but long story short, uh barely.
00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:56.960
But you know it'd be the it'd be the it'd be the girls asking for piano lessons, like I want you to show me how to play keys.
00:26:57.200 --> 00:26:58.400
Oh my goodness.
00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:02.400
Nobody would show you how to play keys.
00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:04.240
What are we talking about right now?
00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:06.160
Is this the note right here?
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Is this it?
00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:08.799
How about no show me?
00:27:09.039 --> 00:27:10.400
Show me how I'm supposed to do it.
00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:11.599
Oh my goodness.
00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:19.440
I probably have all over her shoulders not, all over her shoulders, just oh this is how you play that chord right there.
00:27:19.599 --> 00:27:21.759
It's like, whoa, okay, where are we going?
00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:22.559
What is this?
00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:25.920
It beat them keys, the drummers, yeah, and the bass players, too.
00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:29.279
Oh, you know, the whole musician staff needs some deliverance.
00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:31.759
They be wanting you to play a tune, anyways.
00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:40.640
Um, so for me as a teenager, this is where I was very much like I have to work through my issues with authority.
00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:50.880
I have to work through my issues with, you know, being disrespectful and anger issues, and you know, my parents, you know, they did what they could to help.
00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:52.640
My dad, obviously, you know, he didn't play that.
00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:56.400
He was old school, my mom didn't either, but I did give them some headaches.
00:27:56.480 --> 00:27:59.200
And so going into my senior year, I was done.
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I decided, all right, this is the year I'm gonna lose my virginity.
00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:03.839
I'm tired of being a good boy.
00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:07.599
I'd already had a couple sexual experiences at that point, and I was like, forget it.
00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:09.759
I need to get some notches on my belt, right?
00:28:09.920 --> 00:28:13.440
Um, all the guys in the locker room, they used to talk about who they knocking down and what they're doing.
00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:15.440
So I'm like, all right, I need to get me some.
00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:17.839
So that's my thought process.
00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:27.119
I'm on my way to um our rival high school football game, and my car breaks down just a couple days before that, excuse me.
00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:35.359
And so I couldn't drive my car, and I was supposed to go to a friend's house afterwards for this house party, and that's where I was planning on losing my virginity, right?
00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:37.680
And car broke down.
00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:39.599
My mom hears from the Lord.
00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:44.960
Anytime I was really about to go off the deep end with something, somehow she was always there in the middle of it.
00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:47.359
I would get caught in the most crazy situation.
00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:50.079
My mom would be like, I knew the Lord told me.
00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:51.200
I knew that was God.
00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:53.680
I was like, bruh, can't let me live.
00:28:53.839 --> 00:28:55.519
And so that's what I was planning on doing.
00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:58.559
But she says, after the game, she said, No, you're coming home with me.
00:28:58.640 --> 00:28:59.759
You're not going with your friends.
00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:01.200
I said, but they can take me home.
00:29:01.440 --> 00:29:02.319
You're not going with them.
00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:03.279
You come home with me.
00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:04.160
So I went home.
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:07.440
I tried to sneak out the house that night, couldn't find a party.
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:10.480
Came back home, snuck back in the house.
00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:19.119
And it was a couple weeks after that because I was really ready to start wilding, start drinking, start doing all the things that I was I was told I, you know, shouldn't do, it's not good for you, right?
00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:24.160
And uh I ended up meeting this guy named Gary, and he was a former gangbanger from LA.
00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:28.000
And Gary, um, he preached the gospel to me over the phone.
00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:30.720
We were supposed to connect to do a jam session or a shed session.
00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:31.839
Y'all grew up in church.
00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:35.599
So the musicians get together and be like, hey doc, hey doc, we finna do a shed, doc.
00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:42.559
And so Gary, you know, so Gary, um, Gary gets on the phone.
00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:46.400
He's kind of like unhinged because he came from the streets, but he's like an old head too.
00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:47.359
Like he's an aunt, right?
00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:50.319
At that point, he had to be like 45, 50, something like that, right?
00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:52.960
He's like, Let me tell you something, brother Alton.
00:29:53.119 --> 00:29:56.319
This ain't about no building, this is about a relationship.
00:29:56.640 --> 00:29:58.400
God don't want no religion.
00:29:58.640 --> 00:30:01.920
He came to give you a relationship with the father, brother.
00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:04.160
I was like, Man, you kind of intense, bro.
00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:06.160
We're supposed to be talking about a share session.
00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:10.799
And you would look at Gary and think he looks like he did drugs because he was missing half of his teeth.
00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:14.799
Um, he did get into half his teeth, he did drugs.
00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:21.519
And he used to walk around with a gun inside of a grocery bag that was tied around his wrist.
00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:24.880
He had his finger on the trigger at all times because he didn't know if he was gonna get caught up.
00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:27.119
So he had to be ready in case something was going down.
00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:36.319
But if you go back through the streets in LA in the church scene, a lot of them guys out there knew who he was, like Mike Burrell, these guys, they they took they took lessons from this guy.
00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:38.319
He's a fire musician.
00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:40.160
And you would never know that just looking at him.
00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:42.559
But the minute he sits down and plays it's so anointed.
00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:44.480
It's unbelievably anointed.
00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:46.799
And so I'd be like, bro, slow down, show me how to play that.
00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:47.279
What are you doing?
00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:48.640
You know, doc, show me that, doc.
00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:50.559
Hey, hey, let me see them chords, Doc.
00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:55.599
And so that's what it was was, that's what it was with him initially, but he stayed on the kingdom.
00:30:55.680 --> 00:30:58.079
He stayed on Jesus, he stayed on relationship with God.
00:30:58.240 --> 00:31:01.039
And something in my heart happened that night that we got on the phone.
00:31:01.119 --> 00:31:10.240
I still remember sitting in my brother's room when I was on that phone call, and it was like Jesus became real to me.
00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:14.960
I don't know how I explain that, other than it was like He used him in my heart, he became real.
00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:21.119
Yeah, and because I mind you, right before that, like I could be trying to read the Bible, it doesn't make sense.
00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:23.599
I throw it off to the side and go watch porn and masturbate.
00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:28.160
That's I was like, I'm gonna go do something else that takes my mind into a more happy direction.
00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:30.160
And just this doesn't make sense to me.
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:31.279
It doesn't make sense.
00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:35.839
And yeah, after that, I can't explain it.
00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:37.519
It was a hunger that came over me.
00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:40.480
I started praying every day, stuff that I was just not doing.
00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:52.079
Um, I come home from you know, school or band practice, and I pray until I fall asleep, or I pray until five, six o'clock in the morning, then I'm like, dang, I gotta go to first period, but I've been up all night, you know.
00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:55.599
Um, I start having prophetic dreams, I started seeing things.
00:31:55.759 --> 00:32:02.400
Wow, God was like opening my eyes, but I was in a Baptist setting, so I didn't know how to like, I didn't know what half of this stuff was.
00:32:02.720 --> 00:32:04.880
I'm learning about it, so I started reading books and all this stuff.
00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:09.279
So when I talk to my youth minister about it, I bring things to them, be like, hey, I read this and the Bible says this.
00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:10.240
Why don't we teach this?
00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:13.759
Well, you know, you know, or my dad might tell me, you know, Baptists believe this.
00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:15.279
And I'm like, I'm not a Baptist.
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:15.839
I'm going off.
00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:17.519
What does this Bible say at this point?
00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:17.839
Yeah.
00:32:18.079 --> 00:32:21.519
And at that point, he started to loosen his grip on me and just let me go on my own journey.
00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:23.759
I was a senior in high school, I was getting ready to graduate anyway.
00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:26.720
So that's kind of where Jesus became real to me.
00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:27.200
Wow.
00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:30.559
Then I got exposed to, I guess, what we call power ministry.
00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:37.359
Uh, got linked up with a church in Atlanta, went out there, started hearing about their testimonies online, and they go out in the streets and pray for people, evangelize.
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:41.440
They had 12-year-olds leading people to Jesus at high school football games, prophesying, doing the whole thing.
00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:42.799
There's miracles and stuff.
00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:46.720
So I went out there, and that was some of the first exposure I got to miracles.
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:53.599
I saw a deaf guy get healed, my uh, a guy that wasn't my pastor at the time, who later became my pastor, prayed for a deaf guy that got healed.
00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:55.920
This was right after service, so there was no fanfare around it.
00:32:56.000 --> 00:32:58.319
This guy just came up to the front asking for prayer.
00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:01.119
And after I saw that, I was like, oh, this is real.
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:06.000
He's this is the same Jesus in Acts is the same Jesus today.
00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:08.319
Um, start going out on the streets.
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:09.839
We'd go to high school football games.
00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:12.240
I remember we prayed for a guy, his ACL got torn.
00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:14.559
Now that's an injury that takes you out for the season.
00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:16.240
So we asked that we could pray for him.
00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:18.240
We told him, Jesus is king, the kingdom's at hand.
00:33:18.319 --> 00:33:22.880
This is what they used to teach us to uh when we go out and evangelize, tell people what Jesus said, the kingdom's at hand.
00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:24.960
I'm like, all right, kingdom's at hand.
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:26.160
John the Baptist.
00:33:26.319 --> 00:33:27.039
Can we pray for you?
00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:28.559
And he was like, Yeah.
00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:29.920
We start praying for him.
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:31.839
We knew something happened because he cussed at us.
00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:34.880
And so he was like, Oh, shh, what did you do to my leg?
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:36.160
What did you do to my leg?
00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:37.440
I said, We didn't do anything.
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:37.920
What happened?
00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:40.079
He's like, All the pain that was in my leg left.
00:33:40.160 --> 00:33:43.119
I don't have any pain in that area where my ACL was torn.
00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:49.039
And so we found out later that guy was back on the field the next week at the game.
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:52.000
That's not a this is an injury that takes you out for the season.
00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:52.799
Yeah.
00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:56.000
Um Nate, our one of our server healer.
00:33:56.160 --> 00:34:00.240
Yeah, Nate led a house church and they prayed for a guy that um had AIDS.
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:02.319
And they said, if you, you know, this is crazy.
00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:11.840
The story doesn't end well, but he had AIDS and he said, uh, he told this guy, he said, Hey, if Jesus healed you of AIDS, would you give your life to him?
00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:14.639
He'd become this Bible study in the project in Atlanta.
00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:18.079
He said, If Jesus healed me of AIDS, I'd give my life to him.
00:34:18.320 --> 00:34:19.519
He prays for him.
00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:22.079
This guy goes and gets a checkup.
00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:24.719
The AIDS is completely gone out of his system.
00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:27.199
This is not like something like cancer that goes into remission.
00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:31.199
This is something that once it's in your bloodstream, it's there.
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:33.679
Yeah, it's unquote unquote uncurable.
00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:34.719
Incurable, right?
00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:41.599
So he goes back to the Bible study, reports this, but then later denies that the Lord did it.
00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:45.199
And the aides returned.
00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:50.800
And so, but to that point though, this is the type of stuff we went and laid hands on the blind.
00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:55.840
We saw this blind grandmother, she had 10% vision in one eye, complete blindness in the other eye.
00:34:56.000 --> 00:34:56.880
Laid hands on her.
00:34:57.039 --> 00:35:01.440
Her grandsons were taking care of her, she got healed, she was counting fingers from the doorstep.
00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:03.440
We were standing out in the front, front lawn.
00:35:03.519 --> 00:35:04.400
She couldn't see that far.
00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:08.159
Everything was blotches and blurs in that left eye that she could see out of 10%.
00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:14.000
So, this is the stuff that I got exposed to early on when I first got saved, and it was like crack to me.
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:16.000
I was like, oh, this is real.
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:20.320
I pray for people, I would feel the presence of God.
00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:25.920
Um at that time, it felt like just um intense heat or fire that would come out of my hands.
00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:27.519
I could feel it come out of my hands at times.
00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:32.480
And then God took the manifestations away, like the actual tangible sensations where you could feel it.
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:37.280
And I think he was trying to train my faith not to be dependent on what I was feeling because I trusted it so much.
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:37.679
Yeah.
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:42.159
And he was like, I need you to believe me, even if you don't feel my spirit moving.
00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:43.280
I was like, okay.
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:47.280
And so that led to you know, people getting saved and miracles and things like that.
00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:53.280
So all of that was kind of like in my first couple years of being saved, but it was birthed out of intimacy.
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:57.360
So my first time spending that time with the Lord that you were cultivating that relationship.
00:35:57.679 --> 00:35:58.400
It was all prayer.
00:35:58.559 --> 00:35:59.679
I would be in the word.
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:03.519
Um, as soon as I graduated high school, I did my first fast.
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:06.880
I locked myself in the room for three days, didn't eat, just drank water.
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:10.159
I'm like, I'm gonna stay in here until Jesus reveals himself to me.
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:11.280
And that's all I did.
00:36:11.360 --> 00:36:15.280
I go in and out of times like that and then go out and minister to people.
00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:21.920
But it was really just about intimacy with the Lord because I didn't have a platform, I didn't have a ministry, I didn't have some big calling.
00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:26.239
All I knew was every time I come to read this Bible, it feels alive to me.
00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:27.920
I feel like I'm eating a meal.
00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:32.000
I feel like I ate even though I didn't have physical food.
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:36.000
It was the weirdest sensation to feel full even though I didn't eat anything.
00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:38.239
So I knew he was bread.
00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:40.559
I knew he was substance because I was like, there's no way.
00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:41.840
And why do I feel happy?
00:36:41.920 --> 00:36:42.800
I was usually angry, right?
00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:43.760
I had anger issues.
00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:45.599
So I was always irritable.
00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:48.639
And so that was kind of when I met the Lord.
00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:53.119
That's a long answer, but that's kind of what led to the start of my journey.
00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:55.760
But there was no ministry, there was no nothing at that time.
00:36:55.840 --> 00:36:57.920
I was 18, 17 when I got saved.
00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:01.599
And so going into my 18th birthday, I was going into college.
00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:03.119
I didn't know anything.
00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:05.599
I was just like, my whole world just got flipped upside down.
00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:06.960
I don't know where God wants me to go.
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:10.320
I'm gonna start here at this university and I'm gonna trust that you're gonna lead me.
00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:11.599
So that's kind of it.
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:12.880
That was a long answer.
00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:14.079
I love your answers.
00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:17.760
No matter how long they are, somebody need I'm shortening them.
00:37:18.079 --> 00:37:23.280
Somebody needs to hear every at least, you know what I'm saying, 100% of what you said.
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Um 17 when you guys say 17 is the number of victory.
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Yeah, it's very pathetic.
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You really the the testimony is beautiful.
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It's like you realize from that conversation that that was the start of it, he don't care nothing about this building, he wants relationship with you.
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And then you went on to cultivate a relationship, like when the Bible says, if you seek me with your whole heart, you will find me.
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You found him, but not only did you find him, you found his power at work, you found areas where he was able to be glorified and it literally transformed you.
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Do you still see miracle signs and wonders to that magnitude today?
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Yeah, I think it's more about if I'm actually actively going out and praying for people, usually.
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Um, but then it's also just in passing.
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So much of it for me became more about the prophetic side because that's the gifting that I feel like God started to really develop.
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Um, but whether you have the gift of healing or not, or the gift of the working of miracles, when you declare the gospel to people and pray for people for healing, it happens.
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Yeah, God does things, and so um, sometimes it's not just miracles in the physical body where it's like um sicknesses or ailments or things like that.
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I still pray for that and I believe God for healing in that.
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Sometimes it's the mental, sometimes it's the healing in the mind.
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And so I've seen more stuff like that in recent.
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Um, I'm thinking about a girl that was tormented by dreams.
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She was in our small group um here in Dallas, and she couldn't figure out what was going on.
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I was like, Well, that's a demon.
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And so we took authority over it and said, Hey, yeah, in Jesus' name, we take authority over this spirit that's tormenting you.
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It's a spirit of fear.
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Um and she reported back to us that week that that was the first week since the night we prayed for her, she had no more bad dreams.
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Wow.
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But I remember starting to pray for stuff like that back.
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I remember the first time I prayed for something like that was in uh at least that I can remember, was in 2012.
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And a friend that had watched um a movie, she couldn't figure out why she was having these issues.
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She had bad anxiety, she had panic attacks, her dreams were um multiple per night, and she was having um, you know, just they were violent, violent, violent, like grotesquely violent dreams.
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And uh it was affecting her job.
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She couldn't go in and just work a normal job and have a normal shift.
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She kept having to call out and she was on the brink of probably losing her job.
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And so it was, it was affecting her whole life.
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And she came to me frantic one day.
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She says, Hey, I can't figure out what's going on.
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But like I have this issue with you know um my sleep and anxiety.
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Like, I don't know.
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And so when we asked a series of questions, we found out what the route was.
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The open door was she had watched paranormal activity, and that was the doorway for that spirit to come into her house, into her life.
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And so I said, Okay, so here's what's gonna happen.
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We're gonna pray for you.
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This demon's gonna leave you alone, and you're gonna sleep like a baby tonight.
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That's literally all I said.
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And I said, the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
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Jesus is this Lord over your dreams and over any demonic.
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Prayed that, and then boom.
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Um she told me that night was the first night she slept, a full night's rest, didn't have any nightmares.
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Wow, glory.
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And then she wasn't being tormented by that anymore.
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And so uh she had complete peace, and she said, Alton, I literally slept like a baby.
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So I say that healing is just it's it's so much more than just like the miracles of cancer being healed or something like that, right?
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Or just the blind scene or something like that.
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Um, I've seen miracles still to this day where the Lord is doing it across the board in different ways.
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And so um, it just sometimes depends on what are people asking for prayer for sometimes.
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And I'm always willing to believe, but I've also had to trust the sovereignty of God because my own father passed away from cancer.
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So, in the same way that I've seen people get healed, I've also seen it to where it's like, oh, the Lord didn't heal my father, right?
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And he passed away from cancer in 2015.
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So things like that, I've had to I had to rework my faith around what trust looks like in the area of healing, trusting that Jesus is able to at all times, that he paid a price by stripes we were healed.
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Um, but also leaving room for there's things that I don't have answers for, like my father, and I live in that tension.
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So even when I pray for people, I'm like, you know what?
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I'm gonna believe for you because God can do anything, all things are possible.
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But I also hold the tension of even if he didn't in this instance, I still trust him anyway.
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Yeah, and I know that my dad might not be healed on this side, but we know in eternity he is healed.
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So the miracle is there regardless, whether it's in this life or not.
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But I love when God does miracles because it does testify to the gospel and his power and what he can do, and it affirms the testimony.
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And so even when the gospel was um given to the disciples and they went out, he says, Go into all the world preach, and it says the Lord worked with them, confirming the word with the accompanying signs that they laid hands on the six, that uh the sick that they would see, you know, people baptized, all the things.
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So, anyways, another long answer, but here we are.
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Um, okay, I want to shift gears to the topic of relationships, singleness.
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I really want to ask you.
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Yeah, because you have the wealth of knowledge and wisdom and all these things, this is a yes or no question for anybody who may be wondering, are you single?
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All right, y'all, please excuse me for this uh interruption.
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But we have to pause right here because this episode gets so good that we could not have it all in one.
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It's so potent and meaty that we're gonna have a part two.
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So, this is the end of part one.
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Thank you so much for joining.
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I pray that something that was said in part one blessed you tremendously, and that you will join us again next week for part two.