LeBron’s Not Walking Through That Door

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll go bring y'all to our huddles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lauren, where's I don't need Pram and with me, pre-usual my master.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, thanks for being on soundmixie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How's it going?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maxim, I'm fired up to announcement special week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been like waiting, talking way too long to not exactly this rejoining us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A lifelong golden state fan with ties to warriors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They form a member of Uninorepted the current coast, the wrestling pot and the podcast manager of the rear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And judging just from his Twitter account, a guy like me who not so secretly really wanted LeBron to come to Golden State, Mr. Ben Cruz, what's going on?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Bram McSiend.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's so good to be back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm glad you saw my Twitter where I was alluding to the fact that I wanted this dude on the team.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure we'll get into this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Also news probably not going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's two things can be can be equally true.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was fun to live in that fantasy world for, whoa, it's like a month now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so it's great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's also great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm also very happy that it's over.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm sure we get into that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You and I both are getting to it right now and it's almost like you've been reading my diary.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you could, if you could, if you could see if I held a diary, I don't I don't have the fucking attendance man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if I did and I was talking about this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can track the news I was getting as the week's pass because at first I was like, it would be so fun and the Olympics and it makes sense and won't have to pain anything like all these upsides.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then about halfway through when it started feeling like, well, maybe not, then up came, well, he's older.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like we do have that rivalry, you know, now I'm formally fucking even though, but Mandy hurt me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't want him to come.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to say it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It hurt, it hurt a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I've come around to the point, and I didn't realize I was gonna get here this early, and I just, but I had zero faith that Dunlivian, like a good pull this off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just zero, and I've come around to this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is, my Dunlivian has, he just has a face that you can't trust, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: If he was sitting across,
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[SPEAKER_02]: the table for me and was like, I'm gonna do some good things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He just has that face where you just don't believe him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe that's not fair.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I shouldn't judge a book by its cover.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Guess what book I'm judging you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's not even just his GM tenure, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is years of warrior's fandom, where again, number three pick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, is he going to be, is he going to be the guy to help us lead us back into, you know, relevance as a player couldn't do that and look, that's not entirely his fault, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's roster building that goes along with that, but he should have known he should have known he's like, hey, maybe I should build a team of actual good players and and I man, I just
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I understand it's a completely irrational take to just bite the Levi's face at his untrustworthy ass face, but that's where I got to where, again, when those reports by Shoms came out where they were saying, you know, oh, people are leaving.
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[SPEAKER_02]: LeBron and Rich, Paul, the voice messages, or voice notes, or whatever the hell that was, I immediately, I started my wife who's, she's, she's, you know, a casual NBA fan, I started making fun of Mike Dunlevy door.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She has no idea who Mike Dunlevy is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I was, I was, I was telling you about this voice note story.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I, I went to this like nerd voice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, just inherently, I was like, can you imagine what this dude's voice notes sound like?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, hey, LeBron, hey, Ranch, and I was like, I don't know why it went there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's just what I think he sounds like in contract negotiations.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I just knew it was probably gonna have a basin, Mike Dunlivis.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ineptitude may be a harsh word, but that's where I'm at, because guess what?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Bob Myers made it happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Holy shit, Ben, did I miss you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me just say that, let me start here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be into to add a little color to this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just the fucking cover, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've read a couple of chapters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have a regular whole thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know, it's not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't just enter our life as you mentioned.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As the third pick, and then we had kind of an acrimonious relationship with him as a fan base because he didn't care.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like, like, if I had a bad teacher growing up, I hated my third grade teachers up and then 10 years down the line, that same person was now the principal of my kid's school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, well, I know, it's a different role.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, maybe you're in a different thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's more authority here, but like, I don't really trust this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, lo and behold, they suck ass of this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, maybe they pull this out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But what you put your finger on the thing that bothers me, maybe the most about the LeBron thing, isn't that he didn't come?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's that Bob Myers landed his ass in 70s as a 70s section.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and it's like in a field, like I thought you were fucking done, that he's now going to build in another super team somewhere else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then why was it an eagle thing?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Was it like, like, why did we lose that asset?
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is something that makes it even harder to take.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That, you know, it was buyers that knew that who did land this plane.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, the lake of peace of this is I'm sure, you know, there's there's multiple layers to it, I just to circle back in the done leavey thing real quick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the quote that keeps getting recirculated from I forget when now, but he's when when he said trades are hard and look.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's probably true.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Guess what, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's your job to figure out how to make trades and to do them well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And because guess what?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Freaking Bob Mars is able to do it, your predecessor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So let's find.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Bob Mars is a better NBA executive than Mike Dunley.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that's, you know, the sky is blue.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's fine.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Rob Palinca was able to pull out a freaking Luca Dante's trade and look I guess that that happened in a dark of night in a secret alley somewhere with Nico Harrison who
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[SPEAKER_02]: Look, those Rob Plankin, there's Negro Harrisons of the world, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: In the GM space, currently, Mike Dunlavy is teetering towards the Negro Harrison side of the spectrum.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And look, maybe that's harsh, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you're like, oh, you know, I think the Dunlavy defenders, if there are any out there are going to say like, oh, he pulled off the Jimmy Butler trade, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Which?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, first of all, doesn't seem that hard, he also looked into that trade because Jimmy had sabotaged his trade value so much in Miami at that point where they would have traded him for anything, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: They literally match salaries with Wiggins and I think it was like Kyle Anderson at that point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I forgot to forget the rest of those pieces at that right now, but that's why he didn't have to end up with one for a front pick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't have to give up all that
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, if Jimmy hadn't tanked his value to the point of no return, I don't think Dumbly was even able to pull that off, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, man, it's the Bob Myers factor is...
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[SPEAKER_02]: See, I remember, I still remember the press conference where he was, he mentioned he was, he was leaving the warriors, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you could just see that he'd been through some shit, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just like a constantly calling this dude, constantly texting this dude.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it is just kind of caught up to him, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Where it's fine.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can put up with that stuff when you're winning championships and you, you know,
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[SPEAKER_02]: But when you're not, those calls probably don't hit the same.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think, and Lake has a big ego as he should, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think he just thought he knew more than Bob Myers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was, there's just so much of being a GM that it's so much more than knowing about, you know, advanced stats and like the cap and it's a personality thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's being personable.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's negotiations aren't just,
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a convincing factor, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just with any job.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Can you do it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Bob Myers could do that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's an also a former agent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He just knows how to be a person and a human.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not saying that that's why LeBron picked the sixers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying it, but it has to be a factor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that he was dealing with Bob Myers versus Mike Dunlaby.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It had to help.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm surprised that when you gave a voice to the Dumbly V Defenders, you didn't use that nerd voice, it would have been fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got close.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I'm really going to do two voices here in the first ten minutes, this pod.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would have been, I would have been absolutely in on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who knows why Myers left, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if, if, for whatever whoever it is, who does know, if it did have something to do with wake up, that was an objective loss for the worst.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That hurt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that he didn't share and we're seeing why.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right now, uh, Mexican, we haven't heard from you, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where are you on this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you as upset?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Were you hoping for the Brown?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you already protect your heart against this eventuality?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um, what's that ludicrous song where he's talking about one more drink, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you know if you remember this and the whole, the whole bit is like, oh man, like I'm, um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm feeling myself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a few drinks in like we're probably going to hook up tonight and then I feel like that was like me leading up to this Lebron thing It's like it could be the warriors and then I wake up the next morning and then I'm looking in the mirror and I'm like, oh shit Actually it was me like I got like I got these boards on my face like I'm actually I stink like I smell like
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[SPEAKER_01]: The problem is never picking this team, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got a injured Jimmy Butler that's probably not coming back until at least February, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Moses Moody is out for the season and already I'm talking about Moses Moody is a key piece like this is not a team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Look, I know LeBron said that he wasn't ring chasing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's clearly fucking ring chasing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know a team that is now very much in contention to come out of the East.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I feel uncomfortable about what that says for my team and look I think I think 29 teams around the league would take the warrior's position over the past 15 years and the next 15 years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Four titles is ridiculous like come on like this is this is an insane run so I'm not
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not ungrateful for the fact that we are where we are now, but it does not bode well for how this team looks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's really hard for me, and then the other thing to kind of push the knife in a little deeper on Mike Dunlevy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Last year it was Yannis, right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Last year the rumors were flying that maybe Yannis wanted to move and the warriors might be in the running, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We fucked up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't make the moves that we could have made because we sat on our ass as waiting for the potential for Yannis to happen and then it didn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he moved this summer, but that's not the point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The point is that we didn't learn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We did it again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like it's one thing to say, oh, well, LeBron could come like, I, yes, LeBron is a difference maker, especially 8 million.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a ridiculously low number for somebody that's still 27 and 7 and 7.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Probably wait until he's 65.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you, if you realize the downside of not getting somebody like Jonas means that you don't get anybody over the course of the offseason like cut your losses early man like make the calls be a GM that is capable of reading the TV so that you don't get stuck in this position again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like it's the worst of each scenario.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know we were working with the deck that was stacked against us with a lot of these injuries and and being an older team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, man, a more talented GM just would have cut bait earlier and got
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna smash all these together, and I'm gonna use that as a transition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, turn next question, but here's how I'm gonna look back and forwards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, look to the transition between 2016 and 2017.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So 2016, they win for my community.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 2017, that's a month of success, that's the team of all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just kidding, I'm just kidding, it's just historically fucking successful regular season team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He has to take that track and he's got to maintain the flexibility to keep those guys back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On the other side, you know what he's keeping
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we never knew whether or not he was going to come and to be fair to him, to be fair to this to done, maybe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is all pre-second apron.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a different financial work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But as they did that, when they were making this decision, they had the flexibility to go either just this team, or at KD.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They can do them both.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just as Maxime has described what sucks about this, man, as we thought we're going to get fucking LeBron, and we missed out on the Anthony Simon's of the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now it feels very much like we might just be running her back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, also to kind of piggyback off of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like LeBron wanted to come here, because why would you wait this long to pick this?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You could have picked the sixers on July, like right when Friedency opens, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because they make the Jalen Brown trade.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's a big piece of why he's going there, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because that's a good team.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a really, really good team.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He could have gone there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He could have gone to Cleveland.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He could have gone to Miami right away.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I, you know, he clearly was giving the warriors and done leave you run way to and I get it look this is again trades or hard, but the 80 things sitting there and look, you know, there's the other piece of just watching to want to do it right and maybe that that's a no and or you know, the price was out there right it was it was shit ton of picks you got thrown Jimmy to make the salaries matching everything else, but.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If that trade, so I think what they're probably looking at that trade is, you know, it's Jimmy all like what for first rounders and I think some pick swaps or is it two and two or something like that for AD right I think that's what people are looking at as in reality it was for AD and LeBron.
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[SPEAKER_02]: because if they make that trade in all likelihood of the bronze coming so any of the there's no certain he's there's no certain he's life uh... there's no certain he's with that trade but i feel like it's just more because again he gave him three weeks
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[SPEAKER_02]: three weeks to make this thing happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they just kind of barked and said no.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So which also goes into both of your points of, if you know that that's not going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you know you're not going to make this trade,
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[SPEAKER_02]: rack of other signings, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like do do something else, but it seemed like they were caught in this in-between, which is what they've constantly been stuck in four years, just, you know, maybe we shouldn't, maybe we should, the comming thing, a great, another example of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's, it's very, very frustrating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ben, do you think this is an FU to step?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have fired off so many follow-up questions for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me try to organize them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm this thing starts with drama and decline in the player option.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's with Clutch, and we know he's got a relationship with LeBron, and so that immediately starts this theory of, oh, this is what's happening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then just like you said, then a Peter's out, it takes forever to get there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Drey, do you think there was some assurance made to hit the end and let me hedge?
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[SPEAKER_00]: no one's reporting, we don't know anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this is all, this is us just talking about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But do you think that Dramon was told opt out and we're gonna make this happen?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, do you think there was like, there's some kind of betrayal happening from behind the scenes or was it just, you know, maybe, you get us the flexibility we'll see what happens.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think Dramon is, he's probably more in tune than most, because he's on the clutch side, which LeBron and ADR as well, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then he's probably talking to, to Dunlavy and Lake of and everybody else about, if you opt out, it gives us the optionality, the flexibility, whatever word you want to use there to pull this off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do firmly believe that that's the reason why he opted out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now again, reports account this morning that he's going to basically get the same amount of money back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like this was their plan B.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If and when the wrong signed somewhere else, like we're just going to bring back Dreyman for kind of the same amount of money.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, like that's not if if he literally opted out and signs a very similar Dollar thing or something like 27 or yeah, that's in the same plan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Me If yeah all three of us were like, we're gonna save up to go on vacation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Plan A is we're gonna Mexico All right, that's what we're gonna do, but if you don't save up enough, plan B is we're not going
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, but that's not a fucking plan B.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're just not going anywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to, you know, you have to have another destination, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is there anything more telling this just occurred to me?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is there anything more telling of where the warriors are right now as a franchise, then Steph being the first person ever to be an active NBA player in the Hall of Fame?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I feel like we're signing, like, they might as well all be in the Hall of Fame now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what are we doing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Signing this guy to 28 million.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, this is just the Hall of Fame signing, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, this is a legacy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, okay, who cares about the team?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why there was an image of and you guys seem when he found out the news about the run so many told him on a golf course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh golf course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah Moses moody's golf course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a golf fine And he didn't he his face didn't drop but his body was tense enough or it's just like he does his better in this ship Yeah, I don't people want to play with him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's going on?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why are we not having this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: come through.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's frustrating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is what it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ben, you also brought up the 80 thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so let's cover it quick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, because I scouted it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you're right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, it could have been like a quiet Leonard when I understand how dangerous this reference is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the quiet PG thing, you know, because that's why they made all that trade because they knew they were going to bring them both in But Anthony Davis 33 years old Played for the Mavs last year not a whole lot of games 20 games.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was 31 minutes per game 20 points 50% from the field 11.2 rebounds 2.0 to 6 and then 1 in 1 steel and block So when he played he was good, but he didn't play that much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Would you boys have done it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, would you have, if for sure, that brought in LeBron, would you have made the trade for AD and the trade likely would have been just like you said, Jimmy and then some combination of draft picks and pick spots.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's assume a two and two, you know, so it requires basically four picks to get them out, which is a lot higher, you know, you can probably get it for last, but let's just assume worst case, would you have done it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, at the, because, look, I think we, we always owe our value draft picks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's, it's like playing the lottery essentially.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, this could turn into x, y, z.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, okay, is there, I'm just always curious on, I get that, I get the potential, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're always trying to buy a low with these draft picks for, you know, the highest potential possible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But,
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[SPEAKER_02]: When you have a, when you have a Steph Curry, right, there's a window.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a what, maybe a two, three year window max, right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That kind of aligns with LeBron, the, the AD piece is, is the most risky because of the injuries, but also, if it,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Can you imagine what this team just from a entertainment standpoint, would have been like, we haven't seen a team like this, probably since what the KD staff warriors, where it's appointment television.
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[SPEAKER_02]: From that standpoint alone, the basketball stuff aside.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm doing it because, look, wake up the business man, you want to make some money, guess what makes money, ratings, guess how many national TV games you're probably getting?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I get it's all the revenues split amongst all the teams, I get that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But...
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[SPEAKER_02]: that's a traveling rock show again you're the talk of the league again you're leading sports center, bleacher report you're you're dominating every sports conversation and you're even if you're a foreseed which they very well might it like at max would have been you're still being talked about you're still in the spotlight you're still making money so I just don't
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, I do understand why you do it, why you don't do it, I should say.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, at some point, you gotta take a swing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the swings that this front office is willing to take, they constantly seem to be swing for singles, right, to make a baseball reference.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And like, Christophe's for a single, signing, coming into a one-year deal, or with a, you know, top, so he's a fridge in the following year, single.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just, at some point, you gotta,
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[SPEAKER_02]: When your roster's teetering on play and versus playoffs, you got to make it swing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You got to make a big time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes can you miss your exact right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: See I come OG.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How many times you not want to take it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the other, if they had done that, the interesting thing, rooting for Katie and the Warriors was like rooting for Drago and Rocky Ford.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, and he was going to win because it was inevitable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If we had had LeBron and AD would have been rooting for Rocky, it would have been incredibly entertaining.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They wouldn't have been presumed to win.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it would have been this like a possible mission.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It would have been a lot of fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we got to say the obvious, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the games played for AD over the last 10 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: twenty nine forty two seventy six fifty six forty thirty six sixty two fifty six seventy five so in the last ten the only times he's played more than sixty five games that magic number the NBA has come up with for what you have to play that to be eligible for awards is three times so you know he's a risk he's absolutely risk that said if i didn't have to pay him enough to pay him you know another deal i did did that part of this wasn't that i had to guarantee him anything and you wouldn't because he's under salary from the next couple of years
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fuck it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I would absolutely do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we owed it to stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I am upset that we did the other reason I would have done it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The 80 part is because of Rick Sullivan right because he's He's I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's he's almost like a witch doctor at this point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He just keeps fixing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: things that are wrong with people, you know, from from a health standpoint and not fixing that's that's that's he's not actually witch doctor, but he's he works he's seemingly works magic with with those who are injured and kind of get some back on track and he's he's highly regarded in that light, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like, yeah, I got it and now he's back and you know, that might be his own headache, but I would have just liked to have taken the risk with celebrating and you see what happens, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you're with the stuff like you said.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're risking a few years of profitability from the Warriors in the future, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, really, that's what they're worried about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're worried about the dishing falls off, but the wheels come off after steps here and they can't make money for a couple years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that Steph has earned the right for them to take that fucking risk, especially if it gives him a chance to win a fifth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Maxine, what do you think, Maxine?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, okay, so it's not that I disagree with you guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If we're willing to do that, we should have been willing to do the Jalen Brown move.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And to me, that's the more obvious thing, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that that alone, even if we then say, hey, Braun, sorry dude, like the Wizards were pushing too much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We already put too much out the door to get Jalen Brown.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He'd be like, that's fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's still enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's clearly that was a huge straw for him, because he's doing it for the sexers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not the only reason, but to me, that's where, you know, like Jalen Brown much more sort of an Iron Man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've said before that I got problems with him kind of as an off the court presence, but that doesn't matter, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a guy that is an incredible basketball player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Fits a position of need for us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe more than an injured Anthony Davis would have, I mean, obviously we talk all the time about needing a big um...
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, like, Christ apps is just as capable of playing 20 games in a season as Anthony Davis is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like, you know, I think ultimately they're not that different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're covered there in terms of an injured five.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that would have moved the needle, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think ultimately the point that we're all making is, yeah, that you go out and you get the tertiary piece so that you can bring in Lebron as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, if, you know, Jalen Brown's off the table and hindsight was 2020, then you go for Anthony Davis, but I think if you're willing to do that in the first place, you get aggressive from the moment for agency is starting and bring in the Jalen Brown instead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a moment, and I don't remember what year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometime during the Donastic Years where Steve Kirk came out and said, like, this isn't real life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, this isn't how this normally goes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was referencing a million things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the things he was referencing is people used to come here and it cost just nothing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you could bring on to Marcus Cousins and had to give up nothing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you could bring in Kevin Durant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You had to give up nothing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think as a fan base, we've gotten used to that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've gotten used to life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We just had these dudes and it's all upside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is real life now, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're kind of, we're not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not the favorite team in any way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so now it means if you bring in somebody, you give up a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You take risks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is one of those risks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no guarantee the 80 thing could be a terrible decision.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Could go off the rails almost immediately.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you could go down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have seen him a million times go down on non-contact like hand injuries, which I didn't even know happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like I get the risk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I would be willing to take it first step.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it could be a catastrophic failure for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How are you been, and then I'm the last question before we go to a segment number five and up like, how are you dealing with us getting further and further away from being the dinastic dominant team?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because you're in a fucking really high-profile and the ringer is humongous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure people associate you with sports when they see you, they know you're from what you're fan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So how are you dealing with like, we're not the best anymore man, like a gracefully, not that gracefully what's the approach here?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I've accepted it quicker.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's almost like watching an elderly relative pass away, you're like, yeah, but they live the good life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like someone who's like in their 90s, you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're like, it's gonna be sad when it's over, but like...
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they did it pretty solid.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, and it's also, if we hadn't lived probably through some of the darkest warriors days before Steph, probably would be tougher to swallow, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: But again, when you're watching just, you know, Montelis lead teams, you know, when you're able to get into Oracle for 20 bucks for lower level stuff,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: First of all, just incredible times, incredible incredible times.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I'm also, I can't be hurt anymore because I can, that is my default setting, actually.
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[SPEAKER_02]: To your point, Brandt, what you said about what Kerr had mentioned with like the last probably 10, 15 years weren't real life, that's how I operate it with
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[SPEAKER_02]: I knew it could be over and we could go back the time like it could be reset immediately to, you know, a down-of-foil resigning.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, and that's the big resigning of the, the off season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I've, I've almost been trained in my mind to be prepared for this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's still sucks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I, I think the, the probably the, the most hurtful part,
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[SPEAKER_02]: is honestly the false hope of other freedoms coming, the honest thing, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: The KD possible reunion, this LeBron thing where you're like, you're on this trajectory in your mind of, yeah, it's over and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah
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[SPEAKER_02]: It got kind of annoying, and maybe I didn't go so gracefully into the, yeah, it's fine.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I've, I've netted out now, even though they announced a signing LeBron to the 6th of yesterday, it was, it was a simple head nod and, you know, a shrug versus, you know, when we couldn't pull off the honest thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's where it was just this that actually hurts, you know, because it's that's kind of like the the final dagger.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a I'm I'm going gracefully and I realize I just made the the darkest possible connection to what the what the what the warriors are to any of my elderly family members, but I still think it works.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it works.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wish that I wish you were wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know because like when they do pass and we start watching the videos when they're winning championships and like remembering how they were is going to be fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I have been handling this in a much more bitter and healthy way to the most fucking surprise.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had a friend who's an LKC fan went to one of the games hit me up just literally just to like joy like metal had an amazing time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I said why don't you call me after you've won four championships.
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[SPEAKER_00]: for no reason for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's the kind of thing of it's like, you're a piece of shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, what are you talking about?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a reflex.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it just is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then what do you do?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't ask them about the game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've made it obvious that I was an asshole and I couldn't like share this incredible experience with him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I am, I don't know, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is going to be rough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is going to be a rough ride.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, our last segment, we've kept you long as the fucking Saturday, we've been here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so much, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But here's a segment, and I'm hoping it's going to be fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The idea is called Pick One.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to give you a scenario role.
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[SPEAKER_00]: a sequence and what you get to do is pick one, I was going to say any player, if you can hedge it towards the wires up to you, past or present, who would be perfect for it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And to start it off, let's go with you then, or on a two week road trip, all right, we're driving.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you can be in the car for an unbelievable amount of time, that's the bad news.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Good news, you get to pick a player, pastor present, anybody from the Golden State Warriors organization or even outside of it, who do you go with, man?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who's your, who's your cross country road trip partner?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I didn't go with a player.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I went with Don Nelson because I would just get this dude super high and just see now all we're driving.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If I'm driving, he can light up in the passenger seat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I just want to see how many insane stories he'll tell me from the run team C days, the we believe era and like early stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just, like, a lot of that, there's a lot of Stephen Jackson stories that I'm sure he get into some Matt Barnes stuff that you get into.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, some Tim Hardaway, Mitch Richman, Chris Mullins stuff that I'd like to some Tom Tolbert stuff that I'd like to get into, you know, so Nelly would be my pick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I also think he just, he would just start spitting off nonsense that I would just, it would make for a great nontensical in real life podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, this is an amazing fucking take.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the kind of thing like if you had a really long drive like whatever that segment today is going to 12 hours It's going to suck as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got to do it if you threw him a softball of like so Chris Weber You know, I bet you could get a good a good five and a half hours of like organize content You know like you would be able to give you this bitter all in a way that actually makes sense and you could play around with that is a phenomenal take
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, mine, I was excited for until you gave me fucking down Nelson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to play Hudson for a very similar, similar vibes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's going to be a lot of fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's not the stories you're going to be harder to follow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's going to be doing the shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like shooting a bow and arrow with his fucking feet out the window.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we might get in trouble.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I bet you coming up with meeting times would be a nightmare.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if we're supposed to live in the 10, you know, like he's not going to be in the lobby to 130 and we're going to be hell of late everywhere, but the actual driving, I think, I think I'm on board.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm adding, I'm adding Clay Thompson to this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why don't they get on one trip, okay, all of us were in the van.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So now we've got clay and And now they're my, yeah, my business fights there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I see when you're adding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, uh, I also, my first choice was Clay Thompson and it's just to add, I think part of the reason that I would love Clay is that like he's clearly very comfortable with extended silence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when you're on a road trip, like, oh, God, I have a lot of time with people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, because it's just, it's exhausting, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I also, uh, so my next stop, the person I'm nominate is Kavon Looney.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's also like, um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Part of that is because, yeah, right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's the responsibility angle, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Guy locks it down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He seems like just a good hang.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, I love that he was doing yoga.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think he's gonna help us get out of the car and stretch our bodies after the trip.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then that made me realize that, you know, maybe you don't want a big guy in the van like take up more room that you need, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so then I'm going back to my dude that I've pulled out for stops before,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mugsie bugs, keep them small, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Contain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's too much space out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's just an alteration.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just explained that to them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, mugging me like it to come.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to have to talk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you could just take up a small of a space as possible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That really crumbles a ball there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you guys for coming in this trip now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I'd forgotten about the Clay Times and silencing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know how quickly I would feel, fucking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, like straight forward silence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like how nervous that shit makes me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is not okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank God you're in the trip.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Our next one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maxime take as far as you get to pick someone to sit next to you during the game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So now they can explain it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They could just enjoy and get hammered with them, but you tell me who who's your selection.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, so I definitely took it to the angle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's just, it's the coolest opportunity to sit courtside just to hear the players.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love the banter, but for me, this is primarily like, I want to see the things that I just can't see right through your eyes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, what you want is a really smart player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, there are a lot of examples, but for me, it's Sean Livingston, because I feel like Sean strikes the balance of being, I mean, clearly, very cerebral.
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[SPEAKER_01]: right and and and would but also with somebody that I would enjoy hanging out with so I'll leave it I'll leave other people to you there are other very cerebral players that I think I would just be aggro with me probably also because I'm a white guy and they're just like shut the fuck up and I want to talk to you about basketball and kind of energy I feel like Sean will be very giving um with his energy coincide Ben who yet?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I kind of took a the opposite standpoint, which is I went with pods, I went with Brent and the James G. And simply because he's so polarizing, he's so polarizing amongst warriors fans, probably polarizing amongst his own teammates.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I really just want to know what makes this dude to it's and and just see how he sees who And that just and just maybe better understand his psyche overall because there are times where you're just watching him play and you're like, I don't understand what's happening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe
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[SPEAKER_02]: If we're sitting courtside and he's just he needs porn stuff out and whether it's the correct basketball IQ take or not, I just want to better understand this dude it also might be entertaining to the point of I'd have to get up and leave at halftime or like I can't I've had enough of this this and you know the the shot of you know how they they was do like the court side celebrities.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want the shot of me just rubbing my eyes and just do it throw my hands up and you like someone reading my lips and saying, I can't do this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's leaving me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's leaving me at the end of the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's a lot of women.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the best friends.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they're like, this is incredible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's either or there's no one between.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's no one between.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would rather we're leaving your enemies or we're best friends.
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[SPEAKER_00]: or you could go to a giant's game and get glued together, which would be, you know, like a full variety of experiences.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Awesome, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, I'm going in another random direction.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going in Jerry West, post-Hosimously.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I know, like, I've got to go back in time before he passed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But God damn, I think it was Kirk Lake.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody told me this after a podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to tribute it to Kirk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody in the Warriors Organization said,
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[SPEAKER_00]: that when Jerry was still with Golden State, they not only made him watch the games, the live games from upstairs in a suite of hosted downstairs, they would assign somebody, specifically to be on Jerry Watch, each game, because at some point in every game, Jerry would get so angry by a call or a decision that he would want to store in the court.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they needed to have enough spaces in between where they could immediately make it there, and somebody else would be able to hold him back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Goddamn, that sounds right on my album.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He and I need to watch a game together and just fucking loose.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's holes in my wall from frustrations I've had with Dr. Haman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I could have someone who was like demonstrably more crazy that feels like big fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll get out of the the other ones.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Steve Kerr, I think would be incredible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because he is he is a, I mean, obviously he knows the game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but he's an entertaining dude and he seems to be really smart in the way of take something that's really difficult for me and then have me understand it in a way that nobody else could.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that would be incredible where they team that like, you know, I've idolized in this way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the left left one I'll give you my objection because I think the fuck bitterness would be incredible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I can't, I can't imagine how many times he'd like, I taught him that, I taught him that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is my, like I think that would be hell of fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: using dropping mark Jackson isms like mama there goes that man and see if he reacts and you know he would bend yeah like that's fucking incredible you can't believe you said that okay this one is catered right to you and i'm gonna smash them together all right so there's two of them
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[SPEAKER_00]: be a professional wrestler and be, uh, be your representative in trial by combat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the professional wrestler, I mean, you fucked it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You do have a WWF, all right WWP podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know this world better than anybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So somebody who could, you know, be the giant personality, but maybe not actually have to fight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then the other side, trial by combat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So don't need any personality just somebody who's going in there fighting on your behalf.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Who do you take right I have so I have two answers for the professional resting side of this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Dreyman is the obvious one and that's that's period and of sentence I mean he's he's basically already.
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[SPEAKER_02]: a professional wrestler from like a promo showmanship standpoint.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He is on podcast, the podcast are big and wrestling too, and he's constantly antagonizing people, but you know, so he's got that down to a T. The of the honorary mention I want to throw in here is Steph, because he
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[SPEAKER_02]: He always celebrates toward the hard cam slash TV camera side.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's like that's super important for professional wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you watch all of his when he makes a big three, he's always doing hard cam side.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's no.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's I was go to like when D Wade hit that he did a game winner and then went to the scores table and started celebrating the opposite way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, see he's not doing it right when Patrick ever really started crying after they won the playing game or like the game that got put them in the plan or won the playing it Went to the scores table right
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's still, there's people who understand the hard camps.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll never forget when, when, like, this is the 2015 finals game to LeBron, when, uh, the, uh, the calves win.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I remember being in person at that game in the finals and LeBron slamming the ball on the ground after they won hard campsite.
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[SPEAKER_02]: See, these guys just get it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is why we wanted to, there's levels to it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the staff is like, he's one of my, he's one of my guys for here for,
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[SPEAKER_02]: This one was a little bit tougher.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I ultimately landed on Porzingus.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, he just seems like he's versed in trial by combat, uh, maybe it's the lot me and thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, but I might get hurt immediately though, Ben, like, he might be going down there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He might, he might be super sick and he can't make the, the trial by combat, uh, and then like, restrude, uh, maybe.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think, but I'm banking on the fact Rick Stella, Braini's back there, just put
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[SPEAKER_02]: would probably be intimidating, for whoever, oh hi, slash his opponent is, you know, um, so he's unbeatable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's unbeatable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a unicorn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a unicorn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a unicorn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I also think it's important that you have a good name to announce in trial by combat, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like
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[SPEAKER_02]: when you yell it, right, defending Ben Cruz.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But so that sounds scary, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now when this seven foot skinny Latvian man walks out and he's injured, I might be dead.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's fine, I'm willing to take that risk.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But a lot of the way we've mentioned on this spot is like, are we gonna show the risk?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm here, I'm willing to take this risk with KP.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I lied, love this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, here, I'll go backwards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going David West and we'll do the same thing when it was the same winning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm happy that he seems like he couldn't be a wrestler.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He'd have no flair and be super boring.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He has no idea where any of the cameras are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if it comes down to fighting, does this do down to, like, immediately fight, if I guess?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is the kind of thing I spend a lot of time thinking about because Ben, I can't fight for shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So travel by combat sounds great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I could pick somebody else to fight my battles, you know, like, okay, let's go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm throwing D West in there and then the wrestler thing, this is more gut feeling and I'm willing to have you tell me that I'm totally wrong here, but Leandro Barbosa, I feel like I'm just a man, would just be like an amazing amount of flair, you know, they'd be like the interviews would be incredible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You couldn't, like
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[SPEAKER_00]: Following what he said would be difficult, uh, but you know that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but that's fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That we're going to be championship.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a huge part of wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just this is now the championship you're going to win.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, exactly what I'm talking about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so I'm I'm going Leandro, I'm I'm imagine like a Lisha Dora mask maybe that like just on an off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't have to have them on the entire time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that's that's my pick is Barbosa.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a great pick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Brazilian blur is an incredible nickname for a wrestler.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's a very
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I, uh, I'll give you all's to go in backwards order to Zazah Pachulia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He basically has already been trial by combat for the warriors.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, uh, and one by the way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just saying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like, I feel like, can you guys both see nine of the seven kingdoms?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's the type of dude that would come out of the ring after murdering everybody and then pull his helmet off and not have the back of his head and it's like, oh, you just kept fighting even though you were all the kid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then for professional wrestler going to veil McGee.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, this is, right, I mean, he or like you could probably pick professional wrestlers to be heels just based on the shacked in a full highlight real, you know, MVP.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he basically is a wrestling persona, you know, he's like, forgot how many gold tending violations he racked up, he's like run the wrong way on a fast break, you know, it's the type of thing that's just like he's just so ridiculous that I think he would be a great kind of real character in the wrestling world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love this, I love these answers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I also, the only thing I don't love is that I've kept both of you for almost an hour and you both have parents responsibilities, man, so let's get the hell out of here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ben, I missed you, was really excited to do this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And for good reason, this was dope for people who need way more Ben Cruz in their life, where do they go?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh man, I mean, socials at cruise control, Twitter, Instagram, Slicon, Twitter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, is that a very millennial thing to do?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Who cares?
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[SPEAKER_02]: On there, bring a wrestling, bring a NBA, all that good stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So go check us out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's our guide, support him for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We appreciate you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know where to find us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know where to send us an email, just in case, if you haven't email, you can send it to huddleboyshuddle.com.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Boom, Ron social media, Twitter, YouTube, all of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Check us out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's my door.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Good, good, good.