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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't bring y'all to our huddles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you are in, lawyers, how do with me, Bram, no Marcus or Maxine today, but I am fired up to announce the rejoining me after just way too long.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A former expert on all things, USC sports for the seven California news group, a prior Denver Broncos specialist for the Denver Post.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Golden State be writer for the San Francisco Chronicle covers every single press conference practice shoot around in-game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And a man whose Twitter account has made me feel like I'm in paradise with the warriors this week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mr. Luca Evans, what's going on Luca?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, thanks for having me, Bram, your intros are much too kind, again, but I'm glad I'm glad I can give, try and give the people a little, a little taste of paradise, so to speak.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I've already burned this joke, but I'll use it again, you're background immediately screams, paradise and screams, I'm working.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I can tell you're in Hawaii, but I can also tell that it's not, you're stuck in a hotel room.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like you're giving this interview from the beach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, for example, if the sports editor for the San Francisco Chronicle happens to listen to this podcast, I can verify.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Luca is hard at work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's already talking wars.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like fucking eight in the morning right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nicely played man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is, that is the, that is the, you know, this is a, where this is a business trip, this is a business trip.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a business trip for the Warriors too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you ask, you know, a lot of there, a lot of their staffers and guys around, it's like, you know, no, they're, you know, they're still third, they're pulling, you know, 16, 18 hour days, this isn't, this isn't about the, they have Golden State that's have a lot of fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they had a Lua last night actually at their hotel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, there's,
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's plenty of time for enjoyment for the players, but yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When something like that happens and you're a reporter, because I would imagine little tidbits from the Louel, you could include, and I see how hard you're working.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Shit, look, I saw you or read at a Cal Football article from you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I see how hard you're hustling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You hear something like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's the Louel at the hotel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is there any portion of you that kind of wants to walk by?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was I was working on a story again at my hotel for a long while last night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I missed out maybe something crazy happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the that's the trade off that that you got to that you got to do sometimes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But now it's been it's been awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been awesome and check getting to see come in and watch an entire open scrimmage yesterday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what was a really informative.
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[SPEAKER_01]: really cool just to give you know a sense of what goal and state is doing doing differently.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that was a cool experience.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got a bunch of on-the-core questions for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me start with an off-the-core.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we've done this with you yet, but I'm excited for it, because you feel like you're perfectly suited.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So off-the-core is the idea, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If...
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[SPEAKER_00]: you're listening to this show, you watch the games, you know what happens on the court, but Luca has a position within this team, it's spending time with them, off the court, he gets to see things that we don't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so for the off-the-court segment, it's literally just a softball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I give up the mic, Luca, if you've seen anything in Hawaii or anything, any stories that stick out in your mind, we're interested, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Floor George.
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[SPEAKER_01]: how authentic and how just real Yaxle and abortion personality is, you know, he's, I mean, he's, he's handling rookie duties with, uh, with a plomb.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's, you know, I think the other day, uh, Gary Payton gave him a camcorder, but as he was talking about and he was going around and,
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[SPEAKER_01]: filming everyone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that wasn't, you know, that wasn't Axel trying to get content.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was a, that was a veteran directive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He comes up to George Neang, who's doing an interview and he's in interrupts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like sorry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he like he points to the camera and points to them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, uh, uh, house camp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, it he's, yeah, he's a, I'd, I'd sat down with the Axel a couple of days ago, um, have a story on him probably at some point today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but just a very,
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[SPEAKER_01]: a real, authentic personality.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's very, he's a 24-year-old young man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's very secure in his insecurities.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, which is a thinker really refreshing and authentic thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's very honest about who he is and who he's not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And who it wants to be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just, I think seeing that and seeing how he operates, like yesterday, he talked with the media, he had a scrum.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then afterwards, just kind of was hanging around and talking to, you know, a couple more reporters and I believe, like, local reporters from Hawaii and, you know, who are essentially getting one on ones with him and, yeah, he's just, you know, when he feels in his element and comfortable,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's clear that, you know, that the personality just comes out really easily.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's got, there's, there's a lot of work on court.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think to get him to where he, he probably needs to be for this team to have a real shot at any kind of playoff around this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he's not, he doesn't feel or doesn't come off like he's,
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[SPEAKER_01]: above the program in any sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So to speak, that term.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that that's been a real just takeaway kind of from me observing and watching.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I mean, the other thing too is just seeing how active Jimmy Butler looks right now, just kind of with the team and why and I want's active not from, I should have raised that not from his.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's out there
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, shooting around a little bit in this or that, but mainly just, you know, he's just walking around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's talking to guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Nick Fridell at the athletic made this point, but he's he's like, you could just tell how badly he wants to get back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It makes sense knowing Jimmy's story and his personality in in this or that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And oh, but yeah, still, yeah, very much you feel as present in Hawaii.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, I would say those two things, most are just immediately top of mind or what's to go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Love that you mentioned, Jimmy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's so quickly out of sight out of mind because we understood that he's not gonna be a part of the team at least for a little while, that you stop thinking about him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then seeing the images from training camp and seeing him there smiling and being a part of it was kind of a pleasant surprise, you know, it's a reminder that he can contribute even if he's not on the floor and then the actual thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the bright spots are a little bit hard to find when I'm having Golden State conversations with my friends right now and universal bright spots ones that were all like oh yeah for sure this one are even harder yeah actually is it you know i mean like
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[SPEAKER_00]: that I can, I can have a really high view of Pajamski that isn't always shared with everybody else, but we bring up who is Yaxon, who he might be, is constantly received and actually perfect transition, man, because it's one of the things I wanted to steal from your Twitter account.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right from, I guess I should call it the X account, it's your notes on the open screen and open practice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Quote, you actually spot up and cutting instincts are great on ball decision-making and deed need work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you see with them, man?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's stuck out?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a whole kind of mixed spectrum like he, I think there's positives and negatives right now and all of them go together in this, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: rookie bag, I think to what everyone has to remember and understand with the excellent and boring is, I know there's the, like the Anthony Melton was saying at Media Day, like online was telling them he's 26 years old or this or that, and you know, he's surprised to find out he's only 23, he's 24 now, he's birthday this week, but he, in a basketball sense, he's a lot younger, like he, you know, his journey is pretty remarkable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He has an incredibly polished feel for the game for that level of experience.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he played 11 games of basketball or in his entire high school career.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he, yeah, he's, there's a lot of growth and development, particularly his mentality.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like every one thing, everyone in working on a store on the actual,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone around him says he is really no clue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's never had a clue of how good he actually can be in a lot of times that will You know, maybe he'll limit his confidence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's slowly kind of chipped away at that each each level.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been But now you still see it in the main thing that you know a drama on the green a Milton these guys I think
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so even mentioned Steph Curry at times, like our importing on him is to be aggressive and go at guys and this or that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so what he looks really comfortable in right now, just from that scrimmage is spotting up, cutting like, plug playing off the ball that those are strong, immediate things that this roster and starting line-up needs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The five that they're taking in on Sunday, obviously, Steph and Gemmsky, Yaxel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: trainman, Al Horford.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, he needs to be a guy who will spot up, play off them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This or that take a decent volume of threes in that unit and he looks, he hit a, he'll hit a couple, the stroke looks, looks really nice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The things, the areas of growth for me are, it didn't
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[SPEAKER_01]: when he was attacking the paint, just off the dribble like he necessarily had a plan or was being incredibly decisive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, this is just one small sample size of a scrimmage, but I think that it is maybe part of that overall aggressiveness that is kind of that next step for him, he doesn't need to play make all the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's not he needs to play finish more, but there just needs to be,
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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... in his movements and then uh... the defense to me that this is the biggest area of work he's his he's got the frame for it uh... he's got the quickness but you can tell like he's still just adjusting to how to guard and he's again very open about this like he's saying he used to bait guys into attacking him off the dribble uh... but uh... and essentially dare them to shoot and he can't do that at the nba level and you saw him learning in real time like
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Gisanto said a step back over him to the mountain, hit one over him like and he just he didn't have a hand up until it was too late.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so those are the things, you know, and especially he's going to be switching on a lot of rotations that the foot speed, can he, you know, can he play at the point of attack against wing scores because he'll need to like these are things that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, fortunately for Golden State, he's got a clear mentor and in dream on green again, go read my story on this in a day or so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, there's it's a whole mixed bag naturally for rookie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are really encouraging things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are, there is, if I sat down and wrote out the bullet points that I wanted to hear, he was either already good at or was working on for this year, it would be spot-up shooting, cutting on ball decision making and defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, those are the exact things that we're going to want him to get said.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love to hear that and then the other context you gave me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I've been kind of playfully giving him shit about the quotes he had after they won the
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and the like some people are not just about that live and some people's butt holes get tied because yeah, it's summer league.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's calm down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But under the context of people have been telling them, let's work on your confidence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, let's get that out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That like from that lens, I actually really like it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it makes it well unnecessary.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's super interesting because he is not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is a very interesting personality, even just being around him for a few days.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like
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[SPEAKER_01]: that he is not shy like he's very unfiltered, you know, and so those kinds of comments will come when he's comfortable or this or that, but there's internally like it mainly count, you know, one of his, his, the thing that his mentor told me is it's not like imposter syndrome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's more like he's just not had an identity for a long time in, you know, sort of this basketball industrial complex where a lot of, you know, youth players come up and are, you know, their game is molded from a really young age.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he is, he's not had that, you know, he's, there's been a later curve.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And at the same time, like, again, and guy was a really instinctual feel for the game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he is always felt at every level and he will say it like you know he's kind of just or he can't even believe that he's there, you know, because and so now I think he's clearly started the moving that direction, especially last year at Michigan, you know, but at times like in talking to guys around him, there's still a little bit of that like, you know, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think that's more where the confidence thing comes in, not as like when he like he's a competitor, you know, when he gets between the lines he does that it's just more hey man, I'm I'm you know, I'm playing with staff and dream on and all this, you know, right now like
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the sense that, that I get from them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I would have met people with the camp boosters of the world have had AAU teams that were built around them since they were like eight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, like it's just, it's a different reality.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he went through the jucal route.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then now here he is with that, that makes perfect sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, I'm giving another quote and I'm this one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really excited to hear it back from, but I, you know, careful because this player is like a lightning rod.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why, but even when we talk about a success, people get pissy, which I don't get.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's brand of a gem ski, all right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm an in fact, give you two quotes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One from an article, one from Twitter, we'll start from Twitter quote, brand of a gem ski, winner of the day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Extremely aggressive plus decisive and then here's from the article Bajanski playing in simple Look like the best score on the floor across a rough hour and a half of screenage action at BYU Look at what you see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hi there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What was pie's up to?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, obviously he's not the best score on the floor like we're not you know that's that's I I said that knowing for well, but like you know, I think people That you're you're right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's such an interesting lightning round.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think people are like well
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's tend to be skeptical about that and this was the consensus of literally every one of us that was watching was that, you know, he popped off the floor, we wouldn't be putting this out, you know, if we didn't see it with our own two eyes and, you know, again, like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: just to what stuck out to me was there was no wasted movement there were times sure still where he'd you know touch the paint and kind of up fake up fake and look for somewhere to go this or that but in terms of off the catch off the dribble he'd dreamly decisive extremely aggressive again he he touched the paint more than anyone on the floor from the perimeter
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[SPEAKER_01]: which is clearly something that they need, especially in the starting line up in Pigeon's case and he's not gonna blow by you, but he's, you know, there's a craftiness to his game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't say it was validating, but he like, in a literally an open scrimmage, he drew maybe like four body bump fouls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man, five minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just, you know, up fake body bump,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he had a couple of n1s.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He literally went right at like Alex to he in an n1 over him and headbutted the ball away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the confidence is there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The shot looked clean, off the dribble and this for that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know how exactly this translates.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But to me, he looks like in this Grimmitch just the guy that he was for a lot of the time in the last couple months of the year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: a superstar, but it's, you know, it's something that, that, that they need.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think just the challenge of kind of fitting the expansion of his game back again with, with staff and then whenever Jimmy Butler comes back and, and all this, he, he's very
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they want them to take more threes, and he wants to get to a line more attacker for more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And generally, those are two good things from a volume standpoint, even if you're not increasing your overall shot volume a ton.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think he understands that, and that'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love the juxtaposition that your article made clear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like the scene, I wasn't there, but I've read about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I got the feeling that people are excited to watch the wires.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you think of the wires, you think offense of fireworks and stuff and creativity and all this stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what they got more of was up and under, and head fakes, and you know, Pajanski working on is let's get to the line game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which I like, let's go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like that he did that for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was, and there was a lot of, again, the, you know, we hear the, the find out,
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[SPEAKER_01]: This sort of new offensive concepts that the warriors are incorporating, they're getting up a lot of threes a lot a lot of threes that's not that's they got up the most recently last year that's not going to change, but you know there was there was a lot of interspersed with that like I at one point I felt legitimately like he I think I might have tweeted this to like he had drawn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: twice as many like shooting files as everyone else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I bet you he went in there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that was look, this is what I'm gonna try to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like that that he stuck to the game plan, even if you've got a series of fans who aren't there to watch that game plan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I, to tip my hand how I feel about him, I was at the giant's game where they showed him and he got booed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I stood up and gave him a stand in elevation on my own because I thought it was a fucking ridiculous scenario.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think he talked about it at Media Day, trying to let his game do the talking more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He still stands by, you know, the comments he made about wanting to be better than step for this or that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think just he, the confidence that he expresses and maybe at times don't, you know, if he's not immediately
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[SPEAKER_01]: This guy as a first round pick and he was at the time when he was drafted, you know, there was a sort of his he going to be able to take the torch from, you know, right in the next era and this way that I don't, I wasn't there, you know, this is my first couple months on the beat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, but very interesting, I, I, because he objectively to me is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: a pretty decent basketball player.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he, you know, he's that's exactly right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's he's he's and he's got the potential if he's not already to be a good basketball player.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So And he's being torched for a trait that I would want in all my players and over confidence, but it is what it is and a rabbit hole we don't have to jump down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll actually one more because I've kept you longer than I promised.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the five out, I was excited for, and the other, so I said, you know, upsides are kind of hard to find.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Universal upsides are even harder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's a good example.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Porszingus is an upside that all of us can point to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's not universal because depending on who I pointed out to, they're like, oh, he's just going to get hurt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's already happened, Luca.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I I last week during the podcast was saying I'm excited to watch him and this five out makes sense and like he's the perfect addition and now there's news that not only he's not in Hawaii with you guys, but it's an indefinite absence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Any news?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what he's dealing with or when they're expected back anything?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wish I knew or could divulge more, but it's a tricky
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[SPEAKER_01]: My sense is there's just a lot of confusion around it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There has been confusion, you know, if the ultimate Mike Dunlavy said it was a health issue, Steve Kershed, how he would classify it as day to day, but obviously that's not entirely true if he isn't like, actually in camp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I asked Steve Kershed, I think it was Tuesday, Tuesday,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, if he felt like, you know, because obviously, in February, you had the whole kind of back and forth where Cure, uh, said he was told that he did not have pots and then he came back and said, that was a stupid mistake and kind of retracted it, um, so I asked him if he had any
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[SPEAKER_01]: more if you felt like that anymore clarity on what exactly he's he's been dealing with and he declined to comment said you know private health matter and this or that which is not surprising, but um it's tricky because you uh you don't want to speculate but at the same time you know assuming he did come out 20 25 and say
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[SPEAKER_01]: that he had been diagnosed with pots, which is a very, you know, I've talked to a lot of medical experts across the last week, and it's a very complicated and under-diagnost condition that it's sent, you know, it's there's no quick fix, you know, you know, requires a usually
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[SPEAKER_01]: a longer-term treatment plan and, you know, I was just talking with a cardiologist and yesterday who said, you know, if there is an illness or another injury or something like that, that can at times set you back if you are already dealing with pot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I don't know, it's, it's,
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[SPEAKER_01]: confusing and I don't we don't know the worries haven't even confirmed if it's pots that is this so all we know for the moment is that he is not in Hawaii and Steve Kermi at the point on the first day camp like we were still here you know we we
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[SPEAKER_01]: two-year deal resigning out forford if he can be fairly available this year is a smart move.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But in my mind, if you gave 20 million guarantee this year to poison us, to bring him back, you had to be fairly confident in what you were able to do as a training staff to keep them
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[SPEAKER_01]: at the very least, and, you know, this is not a great sign that this snap literally the night before the day before media day that essentially Mike done leave you really that keep found us out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was with the team through through the week before, so it's it's an interesting situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a fresh right in one is what it is, you know, the most surprising thing to me so far was when Steve Kirk called a day to day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I, if I, and this is just me is not reporting or anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, if I had stepped in it the way he did back in February, I would just stay the hell out now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've got no tags, nothing at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see how it plays.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Luke, um, keep up the amazing workmen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, I have, I appreciate it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean this, I will show you at some point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not just a blow sign shine up your ass guy, but so far you've been putting fucking enough work in where you deserve the sunshine man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, keep it up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For people who need far more Luca Evans in their life, where can they find your work?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Follow me on, I don't know how much, how much more Luca Evans people need in their life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But follow me on,
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[SPEAKER_01]: On Twitter, by Lea Gavin's, please go read our work at the San Francisco Chronicle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, big old, Yaxle, slash dream on story coming soon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So be on the look for that and yeah, by all means, please follow along.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's also a great piece on there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't get to ask him about it because we ran out of time, but about staff and the art of less is more and underwater treadmills, which I've been trying to picture.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm trying to think of how long I would last on an underwater treadmills.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, like, less than 30 seconds maybe, but conversational topic for a different time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know where to find us, Twitter, other social media sites, all night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We will see you very soon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go Ours and hopefully we'll see you next week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Good, good, good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't bring y'all to our huddles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you are in, lawyers, how do with me, Bram, no Marcus or Maxine today, but I am fired up to announce the rejoining me after just way too long.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A former expert on all things, USC sports for the seven California news group, a prior Denver Broncos specialist for the Denver Post.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Golden State be writer for the San Francisco Chronicle covers every single press conference practice shoot around in-game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And a man whose Twitter account has made me feel like I'm in paradise with the warriors this week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mr. Luca Evans, what's going on Luca?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, thanks for having me, Bram, your intros are much too kind, again, but I'm glad I'm glad I can give, try and give the people a little, a little taste of paradise, so to speak.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I've already burned this joke, but I'll use it again, you're background immediately screams, paradise and screams, I'm working.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I can tell you're in Hawaii, but I can also tell that it's not, you're stuck in a hotel room.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like you're giving this interview from the beach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, for example, if the sports editor for the San Francisco Chronicle happens to listen to this podcast, I can verify.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Luca is hard at work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's already talking wars.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like fucking eight in the morning right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nicely played man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is, that is the, that is the, you know, this is a, where this is a business trip, this is a business trip.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a business trip for the Warriors too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you ask, you know, a lot of there, a lot of their staffers and guys around, it's like, you know, no, they're, you know, they're still third, they're pulling, you know, 16, 18 hour days, this isn't, this isn't about the, they have Golden State that's have a lot of fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they had a Lua last night actually at their hotel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, there's,
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's plenty of time for enjoyment for the players, but yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When something like that happens and you're a reporter, because I would imagine little tidbits from the Louel, you could include, and I see how hard you're working.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Shit, look, I saw you or read at a Cal Football article from you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I see how hard you're hustling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You hear something like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's the Louel at the hotel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is there any portion of you that kind of wants to walk by?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was I was working on a story again at my hotel for a long while last night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I missed out maybe something crazy happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the that's the trade off that that you got to that you got to do sometimes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But now it's been it's been awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been awesome and check getting to see come in and watch an entire open scrimmage yesterday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what was a really informative.
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[SPEAKER_01]: really cool just to give you know a sense of what goal and state is doing doing differently.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that was a cool experience.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got a bunch of on-the-core questions for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me start with an off-the-core.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we've done this with you yet, but I'm excited for it, because you feel like you're perfectly suited.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So off-the-core is the idea, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If...
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[SPEAKER_00]: you're listening to this show, you watch the games, you know what happens on the court, but Luca has a position within this team, it's spending time with them, off the court, he gets to see things that we don't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so for the off-the-court segment, it's literally just a softball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I give up the mic, Luca, if you've seen anything in Hawaii or anything, any stories that stick out in your mind, we're interested, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Floor George.
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[SPEAKER_01]: how authentic and how just real Yaxle and abortion personality is, you know, he's, I mean, he's, he's handling rookie duties with, uh, with a plomb.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's, you know, I think the other day, uh, Gary Payton gave him a camcorder, but as he was talking about and he was going around and,
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[SPEAKER_01]: filming everyone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that wasn't, you know, that wasn't Axel trying to get content.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was a, that was a veteran directive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He comes up to George Neang, who's doing an interview and he's in interrupts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like sorry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he like he points to the camera and points to them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, uh, uh, house camp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, it he's, yeah, he's a, I'd, I'd sat down with the Axel a couple of days ago, um, have a story on him probably at some point today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but just a very,
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[SPEAKER_01]: a real, authentic personality.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's very, he's a 24-year-old young man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's very secure in his insecurities.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, which is a thinker really refreshing and authentic thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's very honest about who he is and who he's not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And who it wants to be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just, I think seeing that and seeing how he operates, like yesterday, he talked with the media, he had a scrum.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then afterwards, just kind of was hanging around and talking to, you know, a couple more reporters and I believe, like, local reporters from Hawaii and, you know, who are essentially getting one on ones with him and, yeah, he's just, you know, when he feels in his element and comfortable,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's clear that, you know, that the personality just comes out really easily.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's got, there's, there's a lot of work on court.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think to get him to where he, he probably needs to be for this team to have a real shot at any kind of playoff around this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he's not, he doesn't feel or doesn't come off like he's,
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[SPEAKER_01]: above the program in any sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So to speak, that term.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that that's been a real just takeaway kind of from me observing and watching.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I mean, the other thing too is just seeing how active Jimmy Butler looks right now, just kind of with the team and why and I want's active not from, I should have raised that not from his.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's out there
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, shooting around a little bit in this or that, but mainly just, you know, he's just walking around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's talking to guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Nick Fridell at the athletic made this point, but he's he's like, you could just tell how badly he wants to get back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It makes sense knowing Jimmy's story and his personality in in this or that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And oh, but yeah, still, yeah, very much you feel as present in Hawaii.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, I would say those two things, most are just immediately top of mind or what's to go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Love that you mentioned, Jimmy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's so quickly out of sight out of mind because we understood that he's not gonna be a part of the team at least for a little while, that you stop thinking about him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then seeing the images from training camp and seeing him there smiling and being a part of it was kind of a pleasant surprise, you know, it's a reminder that he can contribute even if he's not on the floor and then the actual thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the bright spots are a little bit hard to find when I'm having Golden State conversations with my friends right now and universal bright spots ones that were all like oh yeah for sure this one are even harder yeah actually is it you know i mean like
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[SPEAKER_00]: that I can, I can have a really high view of Pajamski that isn't always shared with everybody else, but we bring up who is Yaxon, who he might be, is constantly received and actually perfect transition, man, because it's one of the things I wanted to steal from your Twitter account.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right from, I guess I should call it the X account, it's your notes on the open screen and open practice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Quote, you actually spot up and cutting instincts are great on ball decision-making and deed need work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you see with them, man?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's stuck out?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a whole kind of mixed spectrum like he, I think there's positives and negatives right now and all of them go together in this, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: rookie bag, I think to what everyone has to remember and understand with the excellent and boring is, I know there's the, like the Anthony Melton was saying at Media Day, like online was telling them he's 26 years old or this or that, and you know, he's surprised to find out he's only 23, he's 24 now, he's birthday this week, but he, in a basketball sense, he's a lot younger, like he, you know, his journey is pretty remarkable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He has an incredibly polished feel for the game for that level of experience.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he played 11 games of basketball or in his entire high school career.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he, yeah, he's, there's a lot of growth and development, particularly his mentality.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like every one thing, everyone in working on a store on the actual,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone around him says he is really no clue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's never had a clue of how good he actually can be in a lot of times that will You know, maybe he'll limit his confidence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's slowly kind of chipped away at that each each level.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been But now you still see it in the main thing that you know a drama on the green a Milton these guys I think
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so even mentioned Steph Curry at times, like our importing on him is to be aggressive and go at guys and this or that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so what he looks really comfortable in right now, just from that scrimmage is spotting up, cutting like, plug playing off the ball that those are strong, immediate things that this roster and starting line-up needs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The five that they're taking in on Sunday, obviously, Steph and Gemmsky, Yaxel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: trainman, Al Horford.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, he needs to be a guy who will spot up, play off them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This or that take a decent volume of threes in that unit and he looks, he hit a, he'll hit a couple, the stroke looks, looks really nice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The things, the areas of growth for me are, it didn't
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[SPEAKER_01]: when he was attacking the paint, just off the dribble like he necessarily had a plan or was being incredibly decisive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, this is just one small sample size of a scrimmage, but I think that it is maybe part of that overall aggressiveness that is kind of that next step for him, he doesn't need to play make all the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's not he needs to play finish more, but there just needs to be,
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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... in his movements and then uh... the defense to me that this is the biggest area of work he's his he's got the frame for it uh... he's got the quickness but you can tell like he's still just adjusting to how to guard and he's again very open about this like he's saying he used to bait guys into attacking him off the dribble uh... but uh... and essentially dare them to shoot and he can't do that at the nba level and you saw him learning in real time like
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Gisanto said a step back over him to the mountain, hit one over him like and he just he didn't have a hand up until it was too late.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so those are the things, you know, and especially he's going to be switching on a lot of rotations that the foot speed, can he, you know, can he play at the point of attack against wing scores because he'll need to like these are things that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, fortunately for Golden State, he's got a clear mentor and in dream on green again, go read my story on this in a day or so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, there's it's a whole mixed bag naturally for rookie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are really encouraging things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are, there is, if I sat down and wrote out the bullet points that I wanted to hear, he was either already good at or was working on for this year, it would be spot-up shooting, cutting on ball decision making and defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, those are the exact things that we're going to want him to get said.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love to hear that and then the other context you gave me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I've been kind of playfully giving him shit about the quotes he had after they won the
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and the like some people are not just about that live and some people's butt holes get tied because yeah, it's summer league.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's calm down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But under the context of people have been telling them, let's work on your confidence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, let's get that out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That like from that lens, I actually really like it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it makes it well unnecessary.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's super interesting because he is not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is a very interesting personality, even just being around him for a few days.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like
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[SPEAKER_01]: that he is not shy like he's very unfiltered, you know, and so those kinds of comments will come when he's comfortable or this or that, but there's internally like it mainly count, you know, one of his, his, the thing that his mentor told me is it's not like imposter syndrome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's more like he's just not had an identity for a long time in, you know, sort of this basketball industrial complex where a lot of, you know, youth players come up and are, you know, their game is molded from a really young age.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he is, he's not had that, you know, he's, there's been a later curve.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And at the same time, like, again, and guy was a really instinctual feel for the game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he is always felt at every level and he will say it like you know he's kind of just or he can't even believe that he's there, you know, because and so now I think he's clearly started the moving that direction, especially last year at Michigan, you know, but at times like in talking to guys around him, there's still a little bit of that like, you know, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think that's more where the confidence thing comes in, not as like when he like he's a competitor, you know, when he gets between the lines he does that it's just more hey man, I'm I'm you know, I'm playing with staff and dream on and all this, you know, right now like
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the sense that, that I get from them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I would have met people with the camp boosters of the world have had AAU teams that were built around them since they were like eight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, like it's just, it's a different reality.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he went through the jucal route.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then now here he is with that, that makes perfect sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, I'm giving another quote and I'm this one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really excited to hear it back from, but I, you know, careful because this player is like a lightning rod.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why, but even when we talk about a success, people get pissy, which I don't get.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's brand of a gem ski, all right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm an in fact, give you two quotes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One from an article, one from Twitter, we'll start from Twitter quote, brand of a gem ski, winner of the day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Extremely aggressive plus decisive and then here's from the article Bajanski playing in simple Look like the best score on the floor across a rough hour and a half of screenage action at BYU Look at what you see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hi there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What was pie's up to?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, obviously he's not the best score on the floor like we're not you know that's that's I I said that knowing for well, but like you know, I think people That you're you're right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's such an interesting lightning round.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think people are like well
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's tend to be skeptical about that and this was the consensus of literally every one of us that was watching was that, you know, he popped off the floor, we wouldn't be putting this out, you know, if we didn't see it with our own two eyes and, you know, again, like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: just to what stuck out to me was there was no wasted movement there were times sure still where he'd you know touch the paint and kind of up fake up fake and look for somewhere to go this or that but in terms of off the catch off the dribble he'd dreamly decisive extremely aggressive again he he touched the paint more than anyone on the floor from the perimeter
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[SPEAKER_01]: which is clearly something that they need, especially in the starting line up in Pigeon's case and he's not gonna blow by you, but he's, you know, there's a craftiness to his game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't say it was validating, but he like, in a literally an open scrimmage, he drew maybe like four body bump fouls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man, five minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just, you know, up fake body bump,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he had a couple of n1s.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He literally went right at like Alex to he in an n1 over him and headbutted the ball away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the confidence is there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The shot looked clean, off the dribble and this for that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know how exactly this translates.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But to me, he looks like in this Grimmitch just the guy that he was for a lot of the time in the last couple months of the year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: a superstar, but it's, you know, it's something that, that, that they need.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think just the challenge of kind of fitting the expansion of his game back again with, with staff and then whenever Jimmy Butler comes back and, and all this, he, he's very
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they want them to take more threes, and he wants to get to a line more attacker for more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And generally, those are two good things from a volume standpoint, even if you're not increasing your overall shot volume a ton.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think he understands that, and that'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love the juxtaposition that your article made clear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like the scene, I wasn't there, but I've read about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I got the feeling that people are excited to watch the wires.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you think of the wires, you think offense of fireworks and stuff and creativity and all this stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what they got more of was up and under, and head fakes, and you know, Pajanski working on is let's get to the line game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which I like, let's go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like that he did that for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was, and there was a lot of, again, the, you know, we hear the, the find out,
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[SPEAKER_01]: This sort of new offensive concepts that the warriors are incorporating, they're getting up a lot of threes a lot a lot of threes that's not that's they got up the most recently last year that's not going to change, but you know there was there was a lot of interspersed with that like I at one point I felt legitimately like he I think I might have tweeted this to like he had drawn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: twice as many like shooting files as everyone else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I bet you he went in there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that was look, this is what I'm gonna try to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like that that he stuck to the game plan, even if you've got a series of fans who aren't there to watch that game plan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I, to tip my hand how I feel about him, I was at the giant's game where they showed him and he got booed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I stood up and gave him a stand in elevation on my own because I thought it was a fucking ridiculous scenario.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think he talked about it at Media Day, trying to let his game do the talking more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He still stands by, you know, the comments he made about wanting to be better than step for this or that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think just he, the confidence that he expresses and maybe at times don't, you know, if he's not immediately
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[SPEAKER_01]: This guy as a first round pick and he was at the time when he was drafted, you know, there was a sort of his he going to be able to take the torch from, you know, right in the next era and this way that I don't, I wasn't there, you know, this is my first couple months on the beat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, but very interesting, I, I, because he objectively to me is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: a pretty decent basketball player.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he, you know, he's that's exactly right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's he's he's and he's got the potential if he's not already to be a good basketball player.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So And he's being torched for a trait that I would want in all my players and over confidence, but it is what it is and a rabbit hole we don't have to jump down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll actually one more because I've kept you longer than I promised.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the five out, I was excited for, and the other, so I said, you know, upsides are kind of hard to find.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Universal upsides are even harder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's a good example.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Porszingus is an upside that all of us can point to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's not universal because depending on who I pointed out to, they're like, oh, he's just going to get hurt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's already happened, Luca.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I I last week during the podcast was saying I'm excited to watch him and this five out makes sense and like he's the perfect addition and now there's news that not only he's not in Hawaii with you guys, but it's an indefinite absence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Any news?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what he's dealing with or when they're expected back anything?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wish I knew or could divulge more, but it's a tricky
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[SPEAKER_01]: My sense is there's just a lot of confusion around it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There has been confusion, you know, if the ultimate Mike Dunlavy said it was a health issue, Steve Kershed, how he would classify it as day to day, but obviously that's not entirely true if he isn't like, actually in camp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I asked Steve Kershed, I think it was Tuesday, Tuesday,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, if he felt like, you know, because obviously, in February, you had the whole kind of back and forth where Cure, uh, said he was told that he did not have pots and then he came back and said, that was a stupid mistake and kind of retracted it, um, so I asked him if he had any
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[SPEAKER_01]: more if you felt like that anymore clarity on what exactly he's he's been dealing with and he declined to comment said you know private health matter and this or that which is not surprising, but um it's tricky because you uh you don't want to speculate but at the same time you know assuming he did come out 20 25 and say
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[SPEAKER_01]: that he had been diagnosed with pots, which is a very, you know, I've talked to a lot of medical experts across the last week, and it's a very complicated and under-diagnost condition that it's sent, you know, it's there's no quick fix, you know, you know, requires a usually
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[SPEAKER_01]: a longer-term treatment plan and, you know, I was just talking with a cardiologist and yesterday who said, you know, if there is an illness or another injury or something like that, that can at times set you back if you are already dealing with pot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I don't know, it's, it's,
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[SPEAKER_01]: confusing and I don't we don't know the worries haven't even confirmed if it's pots that is this so all we know for the moment is that he is not in Hawaii and Steve Kermi at the point on the first day camp like we were still here you know we we
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[SPEAKER_01]: two-year deal resigning out forford if he can be fairly available this year is a smart move.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But in my mind, if you gave 20 million guarantee this year to poison us, to bring him back, you had to be fairly confident in what you were able to do as a training staff to keep them
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[SPEAKER_01]: at the very least, and, you know, this is not a great sign that this snap literally the night before the day before media day that essentially Mike done leave you really that keep found us out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was with the team through through the week before, so it's it's an interesting situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a fresh right in one is what it is, you know, the most surprising thing to me so far was when Steve Kirk called a day to day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I, if I, and this is just me is not reporting or anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, if I had stepped in it the way he did back in February, I would just stay the hell out now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've got no tags, nothing at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see how it plays.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Luke, um, keep up the amazing workmen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, I have, I appreciate it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean this, I will show you at some point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not just a blow sign shine up your ass guy, but so far you've been putting fucking enough work in where you deserve the sunshine man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, keep it up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For people who need far more Luca Evans in their life, where can they find your work?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Follow me on, I don't know how much, how much more Luca Evans people need in their life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But follow me on,
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[SPEAKER_01]: On Twitter, by Lea Gavin's, please go read our work at the San Francisco Chronicle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, big old, Yaxle, slash dream on story coming soon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So be on the look for that and yeah, by all means, please follow along.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's also a great piece on there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't get to ask him about it because we ran out of time, but about staff and the art of less is more and underwater treadmills, which I've been trying to picture.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm trying to think of how long I would last on an underwater treadmills.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, like, less than 30 seconds maybe, but conversational topic for a different time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know where to find us, Twitter, other social media sites, all night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We will see you very soon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go Ours and hopefully we'll see you next week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Good, good, good.
