Thinking about the Future with Lisa Gralnek

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If you really think about brands, you have brand positioning,
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which has things like mission, like vision values is core
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to that, in my opinion, your value, proposition and your promise.
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Now your whole bunch of other pieces like who's your audience,
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and like what's your go to market and all that,
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but like mission and vision and values are really really,
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really corely fundamental.
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Welcome to the Warriors at Work Show. This is Genie Coomber,
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your guide and host. This is a show for men
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and women in the workplace who want to move from
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the predictable to the potent. This is your weekly dose
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of inspiration with an edge. I talk with CEOs and Shaman's,
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sports marketing executives and therapists. All of us are like
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minded thinkers and doers who tell stories, share wisdom, and
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challenge each other to have the best life possible inside
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and outside the office. Welcome to your Warrior Conversation. Hey everybody,
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it's Genni. Thanks so much for joining me here today.
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Warriors at Work Today, I am bringing to you an
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interview with a thinker, a visionary, a force in strategy
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and brand building. Lisa Grownick. Her career has spanned senior
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roles at Adidas, Chobanimoo dot Com, the Boston Consulting Group,
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and Walmart. Lisa is currently the US Managing Director and
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Global head of Sustainability and Impact at IF Design. IF
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Design is the prestigious international design institution and host of
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the annual IF Design Award. Lisa is the go to
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resource on values driven leadership. Her work has been featured
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in The New York Times, Fast Company, and Fortune, and
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today she shares her gifts with us. Enjoy Lisa Grownnick,
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thank you so much for joining me here today. I'm
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really looking forward to having this conversation with you.
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Thanks so much for having me.
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Janie me also, so, where I'm going to start with
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like a big, juicy question. There's so much that I
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want to get to in terms of this beautiful work
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that you're doing in the world. But what I want
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to do is take a step back and how do
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you tell us who's Lisa in the world.
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Oh? I love starting with small questions. Well, professionally, I
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hold a couple of different roles. I host a podcast
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as well that I started five years ago. We just
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celebrated our one hundred and fiftieth anniversary last month. One
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hundred and fiftieth episode anniversary. It's called Future of Xyz,
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so I love doing that. But I also work for
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an organization called IF Design, which is a German nonprofit
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and we run the world's largest independent design award as
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well as a design academy, and I am the managing
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director for the US as well as heading up sustainability
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and impact globally.
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So just a couple of things that you're doing in
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the world. I want to jump into something that you
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shared with me relating to what you do for sustainability.
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For sure, you shared with me when we were preparing
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for this conversation that when you were growing up you
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were passionate about nature and sustainability. I would love for
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you to tell us more about how that has informed
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you in terms of what you do for a career,
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what you get up every day to do in the world.
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Yeah, I mean it's interesting. I think you know.
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I grew up in southern California kind of on the beach,
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so nature was the beauty around me all the time,
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and I spent my summers with my grandparents on an
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island with no electricity off the coast of Maine, which
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couldn't be more beautiful and I've often said, you know,
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nature is my religion, and I really see the natural
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world as being the only thing that actually matters, not
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only because it sustains our life for us as humans,
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but as part of an ecosystem that we are just
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a little piece of. So I think, you know, that's
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kind of where it all comes from. But of course,
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growing up in southern California in the seventies and eighties,
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I mean, we were still already having pollution days, where
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in elementary and junior high you weren't allowed to go
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to pe or the playground because of the air quality.
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We had major wildfires, you know, and I remember watching
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houses burn and you know, hosing off the roof, not
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even to mention the things that humans were doing to
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each other. I mean, you know, so, I think I
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just always was very sensitive to the state of the
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planet as well as the state of society.
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And when you think about what you do today, how
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often are you refer colecting on all those early life
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experiences in how you make choices, how you're making recommendations,
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how you're showing up in the world. How do you
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connect the two?
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Oh, I mean, I you know, I don't see them
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as separated. I mean, in some ways, I've been speaking
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about values driven leadership and values based brand building for
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I mean twenty five plus years now, and you know,
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it all informs us. I think, you know, my first
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I studied political science in my undergrad years, and I
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wrote a senior thesis on identity politics which was called
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Self versus Other capital S capital O, which seems increasingly
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relevant these days, which was basically, we're all self to
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ourselves and we're all other to everyone else, and then
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that we're exactly the same, and it requires the respect
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of recognition that it doesn't make any difference any other
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of the differences because we're exactly the same in our difference.
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So a little esoteric or more than a little esoteric,
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but that really ended up become kind of blueprint for
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how I try to show up in the world, and
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so between you know, my nature is my religion and
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and you know, kind of that sense of respect everyone equally.
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I really do try to show up that way. And
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it led to this.
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Kind of values driven attitude towards leadership, towards business, towards
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brand especially, and and I've always been kind of in
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the intersection of business and design I've I've joked for years,
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and it's not very funny, to be honest, but I've
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joked for years that I'm equally left and right brained.
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There are very few people who are who are not.
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I think some engineers, I think a lot of architects.
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But it's this kind of art and science blend, and
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it's in. There aren't a lot of places in the
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world for that because the world has moved more and
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more towards data, data, data analytics, analytics, analytics, and then
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and then you have you're creative, right, which we are
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got to Even though we elevate and celebrate creativity, it
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has moved further and further into the realm of business.
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I feel like in a lot of different ways.
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And so as someone who's always kind of approached in
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that holistic seeing it from the art and science perspective
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and the it being whatever it is, especially my career
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or business, coming back to the values really allows that
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intersection between the left and the right brain, between the
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art and the science, between what you hold dear you know,
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which for me is that nature and that humanity mixed
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with the fact that we live in a capitalist society
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and we all need to survive, so I think it
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kind of informs everything I do, and design is kind
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of where this intersection lives, even though that's considered a
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creative pursuit.
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Design in every form, whether.
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You're talking about a big building or a master plan
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for a city, or an infrastructure project, or a an
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interface on a cell phone, or even the data centers
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themselves or the AI and just think about anything that's
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modern right now, the rocket ships like go on and
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on and on, and design at the end of the
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day is this intersection between the left and the right brain.
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Because you need all of the human inputs and the
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insights in order and the business fundamentals right in order
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to bring something reasonable to market, even if it's a
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painting these days that you actually want to make money on.
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You have to have that business underpinnings, which again is
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left brain, and then you have to have the creativity
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to be able to imagine something that never existed before,
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which actually we're creating more and more things that already
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existed and it's totally uninteresting. But like that's really where
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design comes in, and creativity and innovation is you know,
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this this really awesome kind of combination of the two things.
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You know, you said something that I'd love for you
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to expand upon, and you start of touching upon it
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when you were expanding there. But I want to go
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back back to this idea that values. You're very focused
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on how values drive a brand, so I'd love for
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you to say a little bit more there.
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Yeah, I mean, look, I've been a brand strategist for
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a lot of my career, I including right before I
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joined IF, I was running my own consultancy, which was
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a brand strategy consultancy for seven and a half years,
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doing work with Ikea and Walmart and lots of big
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companies as well as as an advisor to a lot
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of smaller companies on nonprofits, etc. At the end of
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the day, if you really think about brand, you have
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brand positioning, which has things like mission, like vision values
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is core to that, in my opinion, your value proposition
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and your promise. Now the a whole bunch of other
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pieces like who's your audience and like what's your go
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to market and all that, But like mission and vision
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and values are really really really corely fundamental, and your
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value proposition and your brand promise emerge out.
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Of those, and the values are the underpinnings.
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I mean I often will describe them as like the
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true north or like the north star, you know.
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And if you're a tiny.
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Little brand, you know your values, like you really really
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need to hold to those or you can get put
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off course really really quickly.
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Huge corporate conglomerate, your north star is actually easier to
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steer to. But if you get just even a little
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points off, you're you've completely steered the ship in the
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wrong direction.
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I mean, because a big tanker versus a little ship.
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So I think.
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Values are really, really, really kind of the guiding light
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about who are we in the world, what do we
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believe in, what do we want to achieve? And they
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tie in nicely with your mission and vision and everything else.
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But values are really core beliefs.
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I've loved when you talk about your strengths as today
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plus tomorrow.
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Oh on my LinkedIn profile. You mean, yes, I was like,
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brilliant and say more about that. I mean, look, you
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know I already talked about I think left brain right
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brain is on there too, or maybe I've changed it
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subsequently to creative and analytical because most people don't know
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what left brain and right brain means, but I have
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a bunch of dichotomies. You know, grow up on West Coast,
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East Coast. I've lived most of my life in the US,
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but I've spent enormous time in Europe and worked mostly
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for European companies. You know, they are a whole bunch
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of these dichotomies within me. But also the biggest one
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probably is this idea of today and tomorrow. I mean,
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I was calling myself a futurist over twelve years ago,
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and I don't call myself that anymore because there's actually
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a practice where people are selling futurism as a skill
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and as a profession, and that's not what I'm doing
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at the moment. Even though my podcast is Future of Xyz,
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I'm not advising on it and I'm not anticipating. But
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the ability to extrapolate from where we have been to
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where we are and looking ahead it is a core
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skill set, I mean. And if you're a strategist and
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that isn't one of your core skill sets, you probably
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should be looking for a different job. That's humble opinion,
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But I do I love the today and the tomorrow
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because I mean, we're supposed to psychologically be very mindful
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and stay in the presence. But the end of the day,
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the interesting thing for me, intellectually as well as intuitively.
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Is where's it all going? Where is it leading?
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And so I mean I think about that in business,
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like if you're not thinking ahead and I'm not talking
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about next quarter, I'm talking about like further ahead.
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You know.
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That's why I have today plus tomorrow on there, because
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I don't know how you can do business, much less
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design without that.
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It's such a clever way to capture the importance of
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being present and aware of your current state but planning
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for and thinking about tomorrow. And I had just never
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seen anybody articulate it that way, and I just loved it.
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You often say, we must understand that design belongs on
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top as we move into the future of a world
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addressing growing complexity, climate shifts, and change. Good design is
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the answer and we must support it. And so for
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all those people listening watching, going okay, so what is
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this design thing, how does this all fit? What would
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you say?
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I mean again, I work for an organization called I
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Have Design, where one of the old is design institutions
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in the world, and our mission is really, you know,
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to elevate design excellence as it serves the world and
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makes it better. That's the core belief that we have,
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and it's a core belief that I have. As I
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mentioned before, I believe that design is kind of that
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intersectction of creativity, you know, left brain with with the
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analytical piece of the right brain, because you're bringing something
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new into the world.
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you know what we all talk about, like the sexiness
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of like design. But design is everything. I mean, design
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is the products for sure. Design is our packaging.
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square or a commercial building or a hotel or or
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even uh you know a place on Mars you know
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that that Elon's imagining or someone else.
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media platforms, and it's policies.
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I call it the new five piece.
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policies and of course platforms.
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So I think design is everything, and I really want
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us to be using design thinking, which is kind of
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an ugly word these days, but design thinking is really
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critical thinking. It's integrative thinking, it's holistic thinking. It's thinking
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again across left and right brain. It's about collaboration, and
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it's needed to be elevated into the C suite because
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we're at risk right now as a culture, as a
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world of racing to the bottom, because we're looking at
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margin margin, margin, efficiency, efficiency, efficiency, and at the end
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of the day, where's the love, where's the beauty? Where's
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the efficacy for the planet or for the people in that?
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I mean, then we're just human doings and like we're
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see the same thing, overly focused on productivity, performance over people,
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over experience, over humanity. So so important. I wanted to
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go a step further into the work. I'd love for
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you to share what are the patterns of thinking and
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feelings associated with what you're seeing? Is their patterns? Is
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there things that you're noticing? And then how are you
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addressing it?
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Look, I think we're living in challenging times. I don't
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think anyone can deny that, and they're more challenging today
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than they were even two years ago or ten years ago.
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Now, my grandfather used to say to me, you know,
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every generation thinks it's living in the hardest time, and
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he went through history to show me and prove to
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me his case.
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I agreed with.
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Him, and respectfully, this was I was nineteen and in
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the heart of my colleague years, and respectfully also disagreed
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because I saw some things on the horizon coming back
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to today and tomorrow that I was concerned about. And
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I will avoid some of those topics right now for listeners.
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Who wouldn't agree.
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But I think we are seeing the ramifications of uncertainty,
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of growing division, of uncertainty and insecurity manifest into really
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a lack of innovation, real innovation, and a lack of
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real creativity and a lack.
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Of real problem solving.
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There's a lot of band aids, and it's been happening
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for the last thirty years. There's a lot of band
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aiding that's happening.
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And frankly, i'm speaking in the Western world.
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I mean it's not exclusive, but like what's happening in
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other parts of the world leads for a lot more
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because the status quo was less developed, at least in
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the twentieth century, and.
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excites me. And so you see these kind of dichotomies
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of like, you know, I think that there's an arrogance
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in the West broadly, and there's a shrinkage of influence
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and confidence among those who travel and know and who
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really are looking to have impact, and that insecurity of
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where is all of this going, Where is the balance
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of power? What is happening with our planet right has
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really infiltrated You asked me about my work, Like that
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sense of insecurity is infiltrating every organization I know right now.
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or even see it, perhaps, but I think that is
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just the truth of it. And this has been going
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on for quite a while, and it just the speed
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of change is on the technological side is increasing so
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rapidly and has been. I mean, like the exponentialization of
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technological innovation slash change over the last thirty five years
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is remarkable. It's unparalleled. I mean, you think about from
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the start of the Industrial Revolution to nineteen eighty four.
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personal computers to now in twenty twenty five, I mean,
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it is a whole different universe. And as you see,
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generations are not adapting as some generations aren't adapting as well.
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bit of chaos. And at the same time, those organizations
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and those leaders and those entrepreneurs and those artists and
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those activists who have a vision have a chance to
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really have a big impact.
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That's that's where I really want to lean in on,
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not on the incrementality of things, but on like where's
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where's where's there a real opportunity for inclusion versus exclusion
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and innovation versus incrementalization.
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Well that that was leading me actually to my next
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question is like, how do we get ourselves and the
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conversation back to being more human centered? Hmmm.
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We have to be human first, I mean, and we
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have to recognize what humanity is because it's not us
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versus them. Humanity is a species on this planet that
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frankly has been incredibly destructive and continues to get worse
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and worse. There is more than enough to go around
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for every one of the eight and a half billion
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people on this planet right now to have basic you know, food, shelter,
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medical education. We are the richest world we have ever been,
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with the most efficiency and the most resources. How we
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are treating the planet and how we are treating each
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other is abominable. Frankly sorry, I feel very passionately about.
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That at the moment.
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And you ask the very basic question, how do we
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get more human centered? Well, we have to recognize what
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humanity means. Human centered isn't a design principle. It's not
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to have better ux or UI, although it serves that purpose.
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the word inclusive versus exclusive, how do you bring as
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many people into the fold? Inclusive design is actually thinking
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about like all the different needs, the neurodivergence, right. I
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mean you have great case studies of like supermarkets in
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England who have like created like autistic hours, you know,
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so for like a people to be able to shop
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and they're not getting like the blaring lights and the
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blaring sound like or elderly people shopping differently, or experience
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sing a night at the movies differently, like, thinking about
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experiences of life through a human lens that is inclusive
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to as many or all as possible is how we
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get back to human centered everything. It's just it's again
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respect and understanding, empathy.
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I love what you just said, and I loved how
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much power and passion you have for what you just said.
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That one's gonna stick with me for a couple of days.
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How you just said that. I'm so curious, Like, who
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do you follow? Who you inspired by God?
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I mean, if you look at my Instagram account, I
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mean I have like eight hundred followers or something, and
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I follow like thirty five hundred accounts by like by
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by algorithmic awareness.
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That is a disaster. Like that's just basically they don't know.
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Who you are. They don't know what's going on.
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more than you are followed, you're a loser.
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And so you don't get you don't get shown, which
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you know, at the end of the day.
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In the world that we're living in now, we have
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to I believe we have to source our own information.
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social media but in general, an enormous number of activists
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and non and NGOs who are doing real work that
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really matters on the ground, whether they're the big ones
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like med San Sanfontier, you know, or even World Central
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Kitchen you know, Jose Andress, or you know, the UN
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as a non governmental organization. I follow a lot of artists,
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whether you're talking street artists and performers and culture and
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design and really again non commercially leaning.
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Which I follow too and I like, but like that's
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not where I'm getting my information anymore. It's really like
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and obviously substack, but I'm thinking just strictly in terms
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of like Instagram and how I curate. I'm following an
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enormous number of politicians at local and national levels and
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international levels. Claudia Scheinbaum, who's the President of Mexico, I
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think is absolutely phenomenal, you know, And and there are
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a number of leaders in the world today at local
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brother Jones, you know, down in Tennessee.
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You know, people who are putting their necks out.
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in impact, the change makers in climate. I mean, Jane
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Goodall just passed away, right when we're recording this, I
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mean that is a loss.
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For the world. You have you have you have leaders
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in the arts and entertainment industry. Like it's just I
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curate broadly.
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design and politics and nonprofit and shelter trust, you know,
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like in Africa saving elephants, and I mean, you know,
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Greta Turnberg coming out of like you know, her her
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Israeli prison situation, you know, to support Palestine, like people
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who are putting their necks out there. And I'm inspired,
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and you know, I hope one day that you know,
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I really find my own dumption to do what a
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lot of these people are doing in a time when
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we need those voices and we need that activism.
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Such an example of being human centered. How you just
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articulated that and who you follow and what they embody
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that you're inspired by. It's just really cool how you
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just articulated that. So when you think about anybody listening
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watching to this conversation, what do you want them to
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hear or do as a result of listening to you
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and I chat today.
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I mean I always answer similar questions in the same way.
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Like I think we all we all need to do
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what we can do and not get overwhelmed that what
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we do isn't enough. Often it isn't. I mean I
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feel that way every day. It's it's definitely not enough.
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But what can we do? How can you show up
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in the world and make it better, just even in
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incremental pieces. Is that that you get crazy about recycling?
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That's one of my things. I'm like a little I'm
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a little I'm a little insane.
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I'll pull people's trash out of the trash and recycle
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it for them differently. But that's like a little example.
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How do you think about your digital footprint? How do
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you help someone out? How do you even just give
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a smile? I mean, there are so many opportunities right
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now at a very very micro level that don't take
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a lot of lifting, no matter what you know, And
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then they're really really big things. I think putting your
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money where your mouth is. You know a lot of
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people are struggling right now. How can you help if
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you have enough? You know, there's there are unteen gazillion
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ways to get involved, even if you don't put your
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own physical, bloody or time on the line. And if
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you can do that in addition or separately. So I mean,
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I guess my point is figure out what matters to
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you and do something small every day and teach the
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people around you that you're doing it and why and
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encourage them to do the same. That's like, that's the
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first thing.
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I guess.
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The second thing professionally is, you know, if you are
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in the design and or business world and you have
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a product, a service, an interface, packaging, branding, communications, a building,
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an interior, and you want to apply for the largest
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international independent design award in the world. The deadline for
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the IF Design Award twenty twenty six is coming up
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on November fifth, so you visit ifdesign dot com to
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do that or just look through the awesome content. You
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can find the links for Future of Xyz there as well.
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You can find out about the Design Academy which we've launched,
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which talks about a lot of these skills that we
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were just discussing. And yeah, I guess that's uh, and
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listen to the Future of xy Z.
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So I love how you think, and I love your
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energy and this really important work that you're doing in
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the world. My last question is just look out over
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the next three to five years. How has Lisa had
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an impact?
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I mean, look, I I guess I'm struggling with it
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myself as a question, Jeannie, I mean for me right
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now with the roles that I play, you know, at
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IF Design, I'm really proud that sustainability is now twenty
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percent of the overall scoring criteria across ninety three categories
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of design. We are the only and that includes both
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social and environmental impact, and we have leading questions and
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accreditations and things. We are the only design award that
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has embedded sustainability into the primary during criteria. I am very,
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very proud of that work. And so what I'm hoping
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is through this organization that really has a global impact
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and is one of the largest stages for international design
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excellence and impact in the world, that we can elevate
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this conversation around what is design excellence? What is the
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impact of design excellence which equates to sustainability and doing
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better for both people in planet without foregoing profit necessarily.
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It doesn't have to. That's the that's the old triple
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bottom line idea. It does not have to. You just
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have to be more inclusive and thoughtful. So I would
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really love to be able to speak with more business leaders,
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because I think that's really the consultants, the investors, the
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private equity and the venture capitalist and really start, you know, thinking,
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how do we how do we bring design not as
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a cost center or as a function, but how do
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we elevate design excellence and impact into kind of the
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broader business community. And it's not only business, but everything
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is business these days, so it's policy and infrastructure and
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all of it. I think we need to be thinking differently.
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As as Steve Jobs came up with when he was
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at Apple, it wasn't it wasn't so so such a
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hard cry of a tagline, and there's an education component
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to that that needs to happen, and that can happen
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both at the grassroots level as well as the academic level.
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And then I guess, you know, I'd just like to
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be an advocate for like a lot less exclusion and
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a lot less extraction, a lot less focus.
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On me, me, me and money, money, money, and a
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lot more empathy, a lot more respect, a lot more culture,
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a lot more compassion, a lot more collaboration, a lot
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more beauty.
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Yeah, that would be that would be, That would be
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what I'd be advocating for.
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That is what I'm advocating for.
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The word I will add to that is more awe.
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Awe is good. I don't think AWE takes a lot, Jeannie.
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I think aw is like every single day. There's a
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great old quote about it that I'll mess up, but
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it's basically, you can find awe everywhere, and especially if
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you look at nature, and if you look at you know,
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human human beings, not human beings, and human beings and
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humanity as part of the natural ecosystem, the natural order.
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It's it is awe inspiring.
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I am so grateful to have connected with you, and
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this has been a fascinating conversation. I'm really grateful that
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you're doing this amazing work in the world and that
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you took the time to be with me today. So
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thank you so much for being here.
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Thanks so much for having me, Jennie. I really enjoyed
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this conversation. It's fun to get a platform to just
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spout off.
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Thank you for joining me for another episode of the
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