WKPWP Interview Classic (10-22-2016): Keller interviews Diamond Dallas Page, plus famous jobber Randy Mulky talks with Pat & Jim

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Now, PW Torch and Spreaker bring you the Wade Keller
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where Wade Keller interviews one of pro wrestling's newsmakers.
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On today's Wade Teller Pro Wrestling Podcast for Saturday, October 24th, 2026,
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we jump back to two interviews from 10 years ago
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this week. First up, my interview with Diamond Dallas Page,
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one of the centerpiece acts during the WCW Monday Nitro era,
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one of their lead babyfaces, also a manager in the
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AWA back in the day, and of course had a
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stint in WWE. In this interview, he talked about Goldberg's
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appearance on Raw, some early Goldberg memories from the Nitro years,
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the making of his new DDP DVD, working with Jake Roberts,
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his favorite two matches of his career, and more with
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live callers and email questions. Then, in a bonus interview,
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it's Jim Vallion and Pat McNeil, two days later, interviewing
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famous 1980s jobber Randy Mulkey of the Mulkey Brothers. Before
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there was James Ellsworth stunning the wrestling world with victories
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over AJ Styles, there were the Mulkey Brothers. With their
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unique look, they became cult favorites as enhancement talent for
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Jim Crockett Promotions, which would later become WHW, of course,
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in the 1980s. Jim and Pat talked with talked about
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James Ellsworth, Malky Mania, their upset victories, and Randy's stiffest
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opponent to face in the ring. Who took liberties with him,
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or at least wrestled stiff, but professionally. He'll discuss that.
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So let's get to it. Two fun back-to-back interviews on
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today's Wade Keller Pro Wrestling Podcast. It is our 10
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Years Ago Interview Classic episode.
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Blog Talk Radio.
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Welcome to the PWTorch Livecast. I am Wade Keller, editor
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and publisher of the Pro Wrestling Torch weekly newsletter covering
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the pro wrestling industry and the beginnings of the MMA
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industry since 1987. And also, I'm editor of PWTorch.com and MMATorch.com,
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your daily source for news, official, or excuse me, opinion, information, results,
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and flashbacks, editorials, all kinds of good stuff. Every single day,
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a wide array of columns and features and news on
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the worlds of pro wrestling and MMA. And also, I
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host this, the PWTorch Livecast. I host Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,
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and Thursday, after which Bruce Mitchell and Travis Bryant take
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over on Friday for the Primetime Friday edition at 7 Eastern.
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And then Jim Bally takes over the host chair on
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Saturday morning for the nostalgia-based Saturday Morning Wrestling program starting
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at 1130 Eastern. And on Mondays, I host immediately after Raw.
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We do a Raw postgame show. On Tuesdays, I host
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immediately after SmackDown, and we do a SmackDown postgame show.
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Wednesdays is the midweek flagship, and that includes a rotation
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of co-hosts. Yesterday, Jason Powell from ProWrestling.net was my guest,
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and we talked about Raw, SmackDown, Goldberg, and so much more.
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And then Thursdays, which is today... is Interview Thursday. And
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it is Thursday, October 20th, 2016, and my guest today
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is a returning favorite, none other than Diamond Dallas Page,
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who some people have referred to as DDP. DDP, how
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you doing?
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Actually really good, man. Really good. First of all, I
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got a remark to Goldberg, and I thought he killed it.
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I thought he killed it in that interview. If Bill
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would have been that Bill, like if he'd have been
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able to feel as comfortable with himself as he did
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out there last night. And I know there's a lot,
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I'm sure he was nervous as hell, you know, after
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12 years showing up in that whole scenario. Um, but, uh,
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you couldn't tell after he got into it and the
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way the fans greeted him, which are just Shane and, uh,
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I was really happy for him to be able to
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get that kind of reaction from the fans. Just really
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shows you how strong WCW was back in the day
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and how strong Bill was. But if he could have
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found that voice back in 1998, we might have won
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that war.
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There's still a lot working against you, but he would
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have absolutely, you're right, been a bigger asset. I mean,
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That bill, because I remember at DDP, because I want
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to talk to you about Goldberg anyway today for sure,
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and it's good to get right into it.
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You know what?
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I want to let listeners know, though. If you want
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to give us a call, ask anything of Diamond Dallas Page.
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If you've got a DDP yoga question or want to
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talk about the Monday Night War era or anything like that,
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give us a call.
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but maybe you have time to send us a quick email.
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The email address is PW torch livecast at gmail.com. PW
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torch livecast at gmail.com. The Goldberg appearance on raw was,
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as you said, and I, and, and I had the
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same thoughts, a different, a different, more mature, uh, more
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at peace, more comfortable on the microphone, Bill Goldberg. And
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I thought something else that also stood out is how much,
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how refreshing it was to have him speak in his
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voice with real emotion compared to so much of the
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other show, the rest of the show where there's wrestlers
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who have all of Bill Goldberg's mic talent. And in
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many cases more, but they're, scripted meticulously word for word.
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And whether viewers like really think about it explicitly or not,
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it doesn't feel as authentic. And I thought that authenticity
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with Goldberg worked. I think, and I'm going to, I'm
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going to talk about you for a minute. Cause you're
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the guest. I thought that there was one of the
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reasons that you got over at a time when WCW
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was desperate to strengthen the baby face main event roster
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during the and you've told your story before how unlikely
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it was in so many ways, is that sense of authenticity.
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That sense that you were in the moment when you
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were in the ring, when you had the microphone, and
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that you were saying what you meant as much as
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possible within the context of the pro wrestling environment. And
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I thought that Bill Goldberg tapped into something in a
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similar way that you did during your rise to the
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top and your run on top.
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Yeah, I totally agree with that. And You know, for me,
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I mean, I just, you know, think, shoot, and work.
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You know?
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There you go.
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That's good.
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You know, Randy Savage is the best example I could
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give because that, you know, that and the whole NWO thing,
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you know, it's just like I loved Randy. But when
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I was on that mic, you know, and I was
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talking smack, you know, I didn't love Randy. you know,
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I took it from the guy. I want to rip
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his heart out, you know, for what he did. And,
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you know, again, we created all of that. And, um,
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it was, it, it was challenging, but at the same time,
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it was easier for me. And I've taken lines. I've
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done a bunch of movies. I'm doing a series now
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called gods and secrets, which is like three times more
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dialogue than I've ever had. And, um, I found a
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way to make it my own through my wrestling and
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through my acting schools of teacher had to create backstory
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and all that. Um, I thought Goldberg, I thought, I just,
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I thought he was so real. The finish was my favorite,
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you know, how he went from, you're not only next.
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And then he came, looked away and came back. It
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was your last, you know, I mean, that was, that
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was awesome. You know, I, I, I just, uh, I enjoy,
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it's why I like listening to Paul Heyman at times too,
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because Paul's, you know, Paul can just, you know, he's
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been around forever, and he gets in it, and he just,
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he believes everything he's saying. No matter what it is,
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he believes it. If you believe it, you know, then
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the other people are going to believe it as well,
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you know.
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I lose you?
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Sorry about that. Can you hear me now, DDB?
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Yeah, I got you.
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Cool. Cool.
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When Goldberg first came around in WCW, I mean, it
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was a power plant call-up. And, you know, they brought
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back memories, some specific imagery because of what they aired
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on Raw because they aired, you know, some highlights from
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Goldberg's career during Raw Monday. And it was remarkable that,
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you know, when he stood in the ring, knowing what
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we know now about him, It's hard to imagine that
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anybody thought, this guy is a jobber who's going to
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lose to Hugh Morris, that he's a muscular green guy
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who's just going to take Hugh Morris' finisher and be done.
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But that was the assumption, you know, just, oh, okay.
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And then he won. And you're like, whoa. Mike, today's like,
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we didn't expect that. That's surprising. When that happened at
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the very beginning, at what point do you remember yourself
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and others around you thinking, we're on to something here?
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I have an exact moment. And I'll bet you it
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was just maybe five or six matches in. Because when
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Bill Phil, when he started to come in, you know,
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when he started to really start to get that push and,
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you know, the people got with him because he was
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so authentic, you know, the way, I mean, he just,
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he was a killer. And he believed he was a killer.
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He didn't have the voice to talk, but he didn't
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need it. And I remember walking up from behind Eric
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Bischoff and putting my hands on his shoulder as Goldie
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was walking by. And as he walked by, I sort
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of squeezed his shoulders and I went, don't let them
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fuck this up. This guy's special. You know, I knew,
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I remember I met Bill six years later. before he
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ever came into WCW. Bischoff and I were in a
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strip joint. And I was like, hey, I go, this
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guy's awesome. His name's Bill. And I was trying to
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talk Bill with his full head of hair back then.
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You know, and he still had a full head of hair.
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He just happened to shave his head. Like, he didn't
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need to. He didn't do it for, you know, because
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he had to. He did it because he wanted that look. And, uh,
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At the time, I was like, you would be amazing
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in our business because his personality was the guy you
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saw in the ring on Monday. That's who I saw.
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And that was, God, 18 years ago. No, more than that.
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More than that. More like 22 years ago. Wow.
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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22 years ago.
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Wow.
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Now, I'm happy that Bill gets it because his kid
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is a pisser. And he's got that wild energy. And
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for him to see his dad and put him on
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his shoulder, I mean, that was a huge moment for Bill. Now,
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God bless him when he's got to get in the
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ring with the Beast. Because, boy, I wouldn't want to
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get in the ring with him. Not at 49, you know. Maybe,
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you know, at 42, sure. 44, okay. 49, at 60,
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not a chance. I was getting nowhere near him, you know? Yeah. But,
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you know, because he is all that, you know, and
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a can of whoop-ass on top. So, you know, I
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think Bill, because he's got– what Bill has that most
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people don't have, Bill has an inner confidence. Bill has–
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A powerful story tells himself. You know, the reason why
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I was able to guide my two buddies, Jake Snake
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Roberts and, you know, Scott Hall, and get them on
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the right path is because I got them to understand
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that they needed to change the story they tell themselves.
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Like that inner dialogue that goes on, your physiology, your focus,
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your internal dialogue. You've got to change it. And I
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guarantee you, Bill Goldberg, he might be second-guessing him some
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steps on the way there, but when he's in the
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locker room and he's tying up his boots, he won't be.
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He won't be worried. He won't think he will be
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in a power position. And it'll serve him well while
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he's out there because he's going to be in, I
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don't know if he's going to be in for a
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fight of his life. So, you know, it's going to
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be snug. It's going to be really snug out there.
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Especially if Bill catches the beast with one of those kicks,
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you know, there might be a receipt coming back. So
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there's no way I'm missing that pay-per-view. I don't even
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know when it's coming up, but I will not not
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be watching. And I guarantee it might be one of
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the biggest, you know, as far as viewerships in a
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long time. You know, because people got.
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To see that.
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We ran a poll on PWTorch.com asking readers, you know,
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are you excited? Are you very excited? Moderately excited? Not
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all that excited or not excited at all. See, Goldberg
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come back. And it was like split pretty evenly across
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all of them.
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I believe that.
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I haven't.
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Yeah, and I haven't run a follow-up poll, but I'm
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wondering how much Monday's promo and even the clips they
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showed from Nitro and the way they hyped him, if
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that got people excited again, because I think some people, DDP,
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were worried, one, that Goldberg wouldn't be as good as
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he was on Monday on Raw, but also maybe thinking
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WWE is not going to do this well, and I
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don't want to see another WCW guy come in and
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just get buried. So I want to table that discussion
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for after our first break. We've got to go to
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That and a DDP yoga session. DDP is our guest
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today on the PW Torch Livecast interview Thursday. On Thursday,
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October 20th, 2016, we're taking your phone calls. DDP, I
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had a question about.
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Fears that goldberg won't be used by wwe well i
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want to table that for a second because we got
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some people on hold and in case their time is
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limited i want to be sure we get to them
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on a timely basis so let's uh let's first go
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to area code 651373 because we got a couple 651s
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on hold uh go ahead and state your name and
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where you're calling from specifically what city.
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Uh this is kyle from st paul.
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Oh thanks for calling what have you got for me
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today no.
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Problem i got two questions one of them's kind of hilarious.
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My big question to DDP is, after he sees the
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first German suplex, is he going to take a plane
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down to the arena and sell DDP yoga to Goldberg
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because he may need it after a 49-year-old is getting
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suplexed around the ring?
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Bill and I have already talked about that.
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It might be a little painful to watch if we
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see that, but I hope the match goes well.
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My second question, in all.
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Seriousness, is there anything that DDP sees besides changing the
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three-hour raws? Because that's been beaten to death over the
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last two years. Is there anything he sees that could
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be changed that would maybe gain the viewership back kind
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of quickly besides bringing veterans back or bringing any of
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these people back? Is there one thing specifically, there are
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a ton of things, but one thing that he sees
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that is very wrong with the product today?
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You know, I don't watch it enough to really critique it.
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You know, I really don't. I do, you know, I'm
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more of a casual viewer. You know, if I know
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someone's coming uh, playoff Jericho, you know, it's from my boys,
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you know, I'm definitely going to watch, you know, uh,
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I think that, uh, you know, it's like, I think
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they're still searching to find their voice and how they're
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going to do things. Uh, I love the NXT stuff,
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you know, and, uh, if you really look at some
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of this stuff there, that is almost reminiscent of, you know, uh,
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DCW or WCW with the NWO, where the fans are
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part of the show. And I like what they're doing
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there with that. And again, I don't really have enough.
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I don't watch enough to really critique it. But I
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know you've got three different shows, and really you've got
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three different federations under one roof right now. No, really
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it's two, but you've still got... NXT is still its
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own animal. I honestly believe that if WCW would have
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become the NWO at the right time, and I called
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that to Eric, and he agreed with me, but there
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was so much money at the time in NXT. They
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were creating this new logo, you know, the one that
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looked like a spaceship and just crashed into the side
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of the mountain. But, yeah, it's like, who cares? I
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don't care how many millions of dollars they spent on this.
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It sucks.
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The NWO is over.
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Let's try a whole different angle. Let's make, like anything,
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let's make them. the corporate guys now. Because anybody who
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gets too much money becomes, in their own way, corporate
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no matter what. And, you know, so that's just a
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little drip to my mind over there. Because I remember
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begging Eric, like, no, we can't do this. We've got
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to be, you know, let's make it the NWO. And
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he wanted it. Of course, it was his baby. So
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he wanted to do it, too, but the powers that
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be wouldn't let him. His hands were tied.
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Which really was for.
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Vince McMahon on the other side of it. Vince's hands
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were never tied. He didn't have a company like Warner
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Brothers who hated, hated wrestling that they were running. He
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loved wrestling. So, I mean, there was a lot of powers,
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you know, that were really, and, you know, there was
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a lot happening on the inside, too, that were screwed up.
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But the overall, when you don't have a strong fortress,
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you don't have a strong, um, company behind you you
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know when you're really weak and Vince has always had
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that and you know uh that's how I feel about.
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That uh Kyle anything else I know first time caller
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thank you very much and I hope to see you
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at Raw on Monday Wade and I hope you're ready
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to boo when they make Lesnar Goldberg the fourth Hell
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in a Cell match because why not they already have
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three of.
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Them I think they'll be saving that I'll boo if
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that happens I think they'll be saving uh Goldberg Lesnar
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for uh for Survivor Series. So we hopefully don't have
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to worry about that. But hey, maybe we can just
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have a Hell in a Cell match every pay-per-view. Because DDP,
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they have three Hell in a Cell matches coming up
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at their Hell in a Cell pay-per-view a week from Sunday.
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And I've been critical of that because it's like, hey,
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if one Hell in a Cell is good and two
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last year was even better, let's do three this year.
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And I think it's actually a good question to throw
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to you before we get to a How cognizant were
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you when you were moving up the card, or for
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that matter, when you were earlier on the card, of
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the other matches on the show and the style, the intensity,
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the duration of the matches coming up later and the
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ones that were before you and how that affected in
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any way how you expected the crowd to react to
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what you did? Because one of my arguments with Hell
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in a Cell, not having three in one night, even
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if you spread them out, is diminishing returns. You know,
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there's that ominous moment when you first see it. And
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then by the second one, it's less awesome in the
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true sense of the word awesome. You're less in awe.
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And by the third one, it's like it almost becomes invisible.
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It's where matches take place. So even without Helena Sells
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or Cages, did you as a wrestler feel like you
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were affected or was your responsibility not to affect or
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undercut what was coming up later?
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Well, you know, there was things like there was a
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point when I was working where, no, you can't use
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a chair or you can't go outside of the ring.
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You can't go into the people because they're doing this.
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You know, everybody, like, it would work its way down
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from the top. You know, if I was going to
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go out, you know, with Randy Savage into the crowd,
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I wouldn't really want anybody, you know, wearing the main
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event wearing I really don't want anybody else going out
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there before we do.
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Yeah.
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Because it'll lose the effect. So, uh, I understand your
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point there. And I just, I just happened to catch that, uh,
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Mick and Stephanie, uh, talking about that again, when I was,
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I watched in between stuff I always watch, you know,
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and then sometimes I Tivo and then quick scan what
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I like to say, but, uh, you know, then they
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could be doing, I don't know if they are or not,
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but maybe they're doing something where they're building those matches.
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The main thing I know that, that, You know, especially,
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you know, since they're doing three cages, I'm sure that
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the first one's not going to be, you know, someone
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coming off the top of the cage. You know what
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I mean? Right. You know, I'm sure they'll build at
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least that way. There must be some method to the madness.
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And so on things like that, you know, for me personally,
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I just like to say, okay, let's see. I like
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to see, like, where do they go with that? You know,
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how do they get around that?
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It's sort of like a.
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Movie when you know, like, how's he going to get
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out of this? and sometimes oh i'm not buying that
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like did you watch the uh show the night of did.
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You see that no but i know but i want
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to yeah dude it was.
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So amazing but and i won't stop i won't tell
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you it'd be a spoiler but there's something that the
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female um let's call her um indian or uh you know, Israel,
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Iranian or something. She has some sort of blood like
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that line in her. And so does the kid. And
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she's like the, she was like a pawn in the
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beginning to get involved. But this show was so amazing.
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And then him and her in the cell together so
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he could talk to his lawyer. And she does something
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where I just threw a flag and I went, bullshit.
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That would never have happened. And, you know, that other
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times that they would have gone the other way with it,
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I would have been pulled in all times. I would
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have bought it. So that's how I like to look
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at it. You know, like, how do they get out
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of that? All right, you got three cells. How do
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you really make that work as opposed to killing it
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going in? let me see, let me see what you
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got there. Cause sometimes they got something like, wow, I
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didn't expect that, which is what really, what you really
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want to see anyway. Nobody doesn't want.
472
00:26:56.359 --> 00:26:57.240
To be surprised.
473
00:26:57.700 --> 00:27:00.180
I know it's from you cause you're the originator of this.
474
00:27:00.579 --> 00:27:05.470
You and Dave Meltzer are the originator of frigging, you know,
475
00:27:05.730 --> 00:27:08.650
we got the inside scoop. Nobody's doing it for you.
476
00:27:08.670 --> 00:27:11.329
You know? And then of course, Al from scoops got
477
00:27:11.369 --> 00:27:15.440
involved in a bunch of other guys, but, uh, Still,
478
00:27:15.460 --> 00:27:18.269
people want to be surprised. Even you want to be surprised.
479
00:27:18.509 --> 00:27:23.549
Oh, without a doubt. I'm very critical of when WWE
480
00:27:23.809 --> 00:27:28.190
leaks information or doesn't keep information secret. We were just
481
00:27:28.230 --> 00:27:31.710
talking about that, that I'd rather– I like there to
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00:27:31.730 --> 00:27:33.789
be a mix between, hey, Rock is going to be
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00:27:33.849 --> 00:27:35.529
on Raw in two weeks. Tune in. It's going to
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00:27:35.549 --> 00:27:37.829
be exciting. Goldberg is going to be on Raw one
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00:27:37.849 --> 00:27:39.130
week from now. It's going to be exciting. I mean,
486
00:27:39.170 --> 00:27:42.460
that's smart. But you do want in the mix to
487
00:27:42.509 --> 00:27:45.430
have that sense when you watch Raw or SmackDown that
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00:27:45.470 --> 00:27:48.089
every once in a while, something's going to happen that
489
00:27:48.130 --> 00:27:51.910
you're not expecting. You know, like DDP showing up at
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00:27:51.930 --> 00:27:54.150
the Royal Rumble, for instance, or something crazy like that.
491
00:27:54.609 --> 00:27:57.170
Yeah, right. Or WrestleMania.
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00:27:57.319 --> 00:27:58.000
Oh, my God.
493
00:27:58.099 --> 00:28:03.160
I never told anybody, bro. I never told anybody until
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like that afternoon.
495
00:28:04.940 --> 00:28:06.240
Wow.
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I didn't tell anybody. Because, you know, what a great pop. Oh,
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00:28:11.740 --> 00:28:14.700
my God, because they want to get out of here. No,
498
00:28:15.180 --> 00:28:17.539
he was just in a rumble. How the hell is
499
00:28:17.940 --> 00:28:18.519
he here?
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Yep, yes.
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00:28:19.700 --> 00:28:21.680
Like the greatest Thursday present ever.
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I'm going to mark down to bring up those experiences, too,
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as the show progresses here. However, got some people on hold,
504
00:28:31.160 --> 00:28:35.109
so let's go back. to the phone lines. Actually, we'll
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00:28:35.130 --> 00:28:39.269
stick in St. Paul here. The other 615 on hold, 615-338.
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Please state your name and the city you're calling from.
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00:28:42.829 --> 00:28:46.569
Hi, this is Chris from Shoreview, Minnesota. I actually called
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in last week, too.
509
00:28:49.589 --> 00:28:50.329
Excellent. Oh, cool.
510
00:28:50.349 --> 00:28:54.369
Yeah, Scott Hudson, DDP, was our guest last week, so
511
00:28:54.390 --> 00:28:56.450
we were talking some WSW memories a week ago, too.
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00:28:57.880 --> 00:29:00.259
Yeah, I'm just... I have a lot of fond memories
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00:29:00.380 --> 00:29:01.279
of WSW.
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00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:04.670
You guys keep Adding to what I want to say
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00:29:04.730 --> 00:29:07.009
and ask you guys as we talk here, this is
516
00:29:07.069 --> 00:29:11.130
a really good interview. DDP, you were one of my
517
00:29:11.170 --> 00:29:16.539
favorites back in that time period. Thank you for all
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00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:21.480
the memories. And you guys were talking about Goldberg, and
519
00:29:21.500 --> 00:29:23.099
I just want to tell you, I think you're one
520
00:29:23.119 --> 00:29:24.170
of the only ones who got a.
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00:29:26.130 --> 00:29:28.869
Legitimate good match out of Goldberg, and I'm talking about
522
00:29:28.890 --> 00:29:30.859
the Halloween Havoc main event that.
523
00:29:30.779 --> 00:29:33.630
Famously got cut off at pay-per-view, I believe.
524
00:29:37.190 --> 00:29:42.210
And one of the other things I always tell people,
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00:29:42.970 --> 00:29:45.910
Randy Orton has nothing on you after I saw you
526
00:29:45.930 --> 00:29:52.119
I think it was at Slamboree pay-per-view or something, but
527
00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:56.619
you gave Raven a diamond cutter out of nowhere as
528
00:29:56.660 --> 00:29:59.910
he was hanging from basically the top of a hell
529
00:29:59.950 --> 00:30:01.890
in a cell structure. I think they just sold it
530
00:30:01.930 --> 00:30:03.869
as a cage match, but you know, in WCW, they
531
00:30:03.890 --> 00:30:07.029
did have tops in their cages. And they were hanging
532
00:30:07.069 --> 00:30:10.029
from the top of the cage, and you grabbed them
533
00:30:10.049 --> 00:30:12.130
by the feet and swung them off the cage and
534
00:30:12.210 --> 00:30:14.509
caught them in their diamond cutter, and that's just something
535
00:30:14.549 --> 00:30:18.380
I've never forgotten. I've always said, yeah, Randy Orton's got
536
00:30:18.430 --> 00:30:20.319
nothing on DDP as far as that goes.
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It was a lot of fun coming up with those.
538
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Anything made it different.
539
00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:25.599
You know?
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00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:31.750
Yeah, that was another one of your feuds that always
541
00:30:31.789 --> 00:30:34.390
stood out to me. And the Randy Savage feud, which
542
00:30:34.430 --> 00:30:39.740
you talked about earlier. I think it was Spring Stampede.
543
00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:44.700
I think it was an ODQ match or a street
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00:30:44.740 --> 00:30:48.339
fight or something. That's just another match that stands out
545
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:50.480
to me. And your matches with Johnny B. Badd when
546
00:30:50.500 --> 00:30:51.240
you were still a heel.
547
00:30:52.589 --> 00:30:56.289
You guys went all out.
548
00:30:57.150 --> 00:30:58.230
There were always openers.
549
00:30:59.049 --> 00:31:02.480
But they always kind of got you excited about the
550
00:31:02.539 --> 00:31:03.279
show because some.
551
00:31:03.180 --> 00:31:08.099
Of those WCW mid-cards were slow and just kind of weak.
552
00:31:09.619 --> 00:31:15.829
Those are my memories of you. I also wanted to
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00:31:16.630 --> 00:31:18.650
I want to comment on I think what Wade was
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00:31:18.690 --> 00:31:21.700
about to go into about how WWE treated some of
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00:31:21.740 --> 00:31:25.420
you guys when you came in. I thought you were
556
00:31:25.460 --> 00:31:29.359
kind of mistreated the worst. I didn't buy the smiling
557
00:31:29.420 --> 00:31:39.589
DDP thing. It always pissed me off. But I was
558
00:31:39.650 --> 00:31:43.119
happy when you won the European Championship, I think it was.
559
00:31:44.059 --> 00:31:45.500
I was like, well, at least they gave him a
560
00:31:45.769 --> 00:31:47.049
mid-card championship.
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00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:51.380
Admit it, you love Nick Barbatti when he co-hosts with
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I wanted you to comment a little more on some...
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00:32:41.420 --> 00:32:44.019
You keep talking about how you don't like the Hell
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in a Cell matches, the multiple Hell in a Cell matches.
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And I agree with you.
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And I've also heard you talk about how you didn't
583
00:32:52.019 --> 00:32:57.289
like when TNA did the lockdown thing where every match.
584
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Was inside the cage.
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00:32:58.650 --> 00:33:02.130
But I personally like that. And the reason why is
586
00:33:03.470 --> 00:33:08.400
I felt that at the time TNA told stories... that
587
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warranted the case in most cases, not all the time,
588
00:33:11.740 --> 00:33:14.579
but most cases. And I wanted to ask you, do
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you think if WWE did a better job of telling
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00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:25.309
stories that created scenarios that could take place in the
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00:33:25.349 --> 00:33:29.109
Hell in a Cell, you could just, because I've always thought, well,
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00:33:29.130 --> 00:33:31.150
they should have every match in Hell in a Cell
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because that's the name of the pay-per-view. And if you're
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not going to do that, then change the name of
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00:33:36.150 --> 00:33:41.160
the pay-per-view. But if you had story, and what I
596
00:33:41.220 --> 00:33:45.059
mean by that, if stories warranted the matches, you wouldn't
597
00:33:45.099 --> 00:33:48.859
necessarily have to always lean on the danger of the
598
00:33:48.940 --> 00:33:52.619
South to sell the match or make the match good.
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00:33:53.619 --> 00:33:56.099
And that's about all I got for you guys.
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00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:56.440
Thanks.
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00:33:57.099 --> 00:33:59.640
Thanks, Chris. Let me throw it to you, DDP, because
602
00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:00.809
a couple of times you're going to jump in as
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00:34:00.829 --> 00:34:04.109
he was reminiscing. about certain aspects of your career that
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00:34:04.150 --> 00:34:07.029
he remembered and liked. Go ahead and reflect and comment
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00:34:07.089 --> 00:34:07.470
on some.
606
00:34:09.570 --> 00:34:13.090
Of that. The thing with Raven, I used to love
607
00:34:13.150 --> 00:34:17.989
working with Raven because it wasn't just Scotty. It was
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00:34:18.050 --> 00:34:21.449
all those guys, and all those guys could go. They
609
00:34:21.469 --> 00:34:25.739
could all do stuff. They weren't bumps in a log,
610
00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:31.039
so to speak. The one that he remembers... uh, was
611
00:34:31.059 --> 00:34:35.079
the Ravens, the Raven block hitting me. And that was
612
00:34:35.139 --> 00:34:39.400
actually Kidman who was holding on to the top of
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00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:42.929
the deal. And when we were just, you know, you're
614
00:34:42.969 --> 00:34:45.489
talking about different things, you know, before the match and
615
00:34:45.530 --> 00:34:47.250
kid goes, I'm going to jump up here and I'm
616
00:34:47.269 --> 00:34:49.289
going to throw myself at you. I said, I'll tell
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you what, just hook me, dude, because I got you.
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And I've never done that before, you know, and when
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00:34:55.690 --> 00:34:58.670
you got a guy like Kidman could really go back then,
620
00:34:58.710 --> 00:35:02.000
you know, um, Eddie Guerrero was like that.
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00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:05.340
You could do anything with Eddie. I mean, anything. If
622
00:35:05.380 --> 00:35:08.320
you could think of it, if you could imagine it,
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00:35:08.429 --> 00:35:12.550
you could just about do it. Eddie would make it happen.
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00:35:12.570 --> 00:35:15.449
Those were great times for me. As far as what
625
00:35:15.469 --> 00:35:23.769
I look at, You know, I'm a realist. I'm a businessman. And,
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00:35:23.789 --> 00:35:28.650
you know, when we came in from WCW, we were
627
00:35:28.690 --> 00:35:31.280
the enemy. I didn't know it at the time. I
628
00:35:31.449 --> 00:35:34.880
didn't realize it at the time. To me, especially, like,
629
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:37.300
I'm not the enemy. I mean, I've never even been
630
00:35:37.340 --> 00:35:40.239
here before. I mean, I can't have any heat up here.
631
00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:45.119
But then again, yeah, kind of, because I was the
632
00:35:45.219 --> 00:35:47.780
one who was responsible for Scott and Kevin coming over.
633
00:35:48.679 --> 00:35:51.679
They even gave me credit for that in the NWO
634
00:35:53.260 --> 00:35:55.139
DVD that they did, but then they didn't give me
635
00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:58.280
any credit after that, which I was like, well, wait
636
00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:00.719
a minute. Sting was in the Raptors for a year.
637
00:36:00.739 --> 00:36:05.579
I had a lot to do with that whole NWO thing.
638
00:36:06.300 --> 00:36:11.480
But I really felt... like as, as I started to realize, okay,
639
00:36:11.739 --> 00:36:14.519
bad decision, you really should have waited like sting did,
640
00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:20.070
you know, 10 years, you know, um, but history is
641
00:36:20.110 --> 00:36:23.750
written by the winners and, and that is never, is
642
00:36:23.809 --> 00:36:27.050
never not true history. I, I tell people all the
643
00:36:27.070 --> 00:36:30.409
time that, you know, uh, if, if, if the English
644
00:36:30.429 --> 00:36:33.949
would have won the war, you know, then Paul Revere
645
00:36:33.989 --> 00:36:36.690
would have been, you know, a traitor and killed. And,
646
00:36:37.230 --> 00:36:40.639
you know, uh, God, what was the other guy? Benedict
647
00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:43.619
Arnold would have been a hero, you know, but that's
648
00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:47.820
not the way it went. And, you know, they had
649
00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:50.389
a point to prove. And it didn't matter if it
650
00:36:50.429 --> 00:36:53.489
was me or Booker T or whoever that was, that
651
00:36:53.570 --> 00:36:56.269
number one face that came in, they were going to
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00:36:56.309 --> 00:37:00.260
get their ass beat. And for, you know, for their branding.
653
00:37:00.940 --> 00:37:04.920
And I could have been really negative to that. You've
654
00:37:04.940 --> 00:37:07.480
heard me in a million interviews. We've talked about this
655
00:37:07.539 --> 00:37:10.960
weight over the years. I've never been better. I've never
656
00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:17.059
been better because I'm responsible for my own actions. I
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00:37:17.099 --> 00:37:20.360
could have said no, but I didn't. I was blinded
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00:37:20.420 --> 00:37:23.699
by the light. Plus, I was 45 and knew I
659
00:37:23.739 --> 00:37:27.690
didn't have much time to really perform at that level.
660
00:37:28.230 --> 00:37:30.010
I wanted to try to get a couple more years
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00:37:30.130 --> 00:37:32.909
out of it, performing at the level I was performing at.
662
00:37:33.780 --> 00:37:36.739
And so timing played a lot to do with that
663
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:41.340
as well. Cause I walked away from 400 and thing
664
00:37:41.460 --> 00:37:44.920
was like 498 or $ 489, 000. I left on the table,
665
00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:50.880
you know, to sign a $ 450, 000 downside contract, but I
666
00:37:50.900 --> 00:37:52.159
thought I was going to make like three to 4
667
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:56.659
million that year. I watched how those guys got booked.
668
00:37:56.760 --> 00:38:00.280
And again, I didn't, it was a different era coming in.
669
00:38:00.340 --> 00:38:03.690
So I really didn't, play all that into, you know,
670
00:38:03.710 --> 00:38:08.269
put that all into play. And leaving there, you know,
671
00:38:08.289 --> 00:38:09.929
it was time for me to go, you know, like
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00:38:09.989 --> 00:38:12.260
I said, it wasn't my best run, you know, but
673
00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:17.159
then again, who did Michael Jordan play for? The Bulls
674
00:38:17.260 --> 00:38:21.119
or the Wizards? You know, when I played for the
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00:38:21.179 --> 00:38:25.349
Bulls and when my career took off, my career took
676
00:38:25.429 --> 00:38:27.409
off as we were kicking their ass. Like I was
677
00:38:27.510 --> 00:38:30.590
part of that and Sting went up into the rafters.
678
00:38:31.150 --> 00:38:34.170
So he wasn't even around, you know, he was the
679
00:38:34.289 --> 00:38:36.489
ominous finger up in the, you know, up in the top,
680
00:38:36.510 --> 00:38:39.929
you know, the top row of the building, you know,
681
00:38:40.010 --> 00:38:42.639
and I was out there fucking hanging and banging. It
682
00:38:42.659 --> 00:38:45.280
was the greatest thing ever happened to me. You know,
683
00:38:45.900 --> 00:38:49.019
like I always said, I knew that at some point
684
00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:52.960
it would all, you know, You know, history moves on. And,
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00:38:53.380 --> 00:38:58.039
you know, the WWE owns WCW. I knew at some
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00:38:58.139 --> 00:39:03.360
point it was the redheaded stepchild, you know, like beating
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00:39:03.380 --> 00:39:08.010
them down was going to stop because they own the product. And, like,
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00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:10.760
now the heat is gone. And if you look at–
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00:39:10.860 --> 00:39:13.010
if you gave me a choice, I'm going to come
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00:39:13.050 --> 00:39:17.820
in and get this huge push in 2002 or– I'm
691
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:19.579
going to be doing what I've been doing for the
692
00:39:19.619 --> 00:39:24.210
last five years from 55 to 60. I will guarantee
693
00:39:24.250 --> 00:39:26.840
you every time I will take the living the dream
694
00:39:26.940 --> 00:39:29.639
I am right now yeah you know being the head
695
00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:33.000
being the face of Nitro the very best of Nitro
696
00:39:33.079 --> 00:39:35.639
and I was kicking ass because of the fans who
697
00:39:35.659 --> 00:39:38.449
listen to your program and some of the other guys
698
00:39:38.489 --> 00:39:41.010
who are out there who have that that loyalty base
699
00:39:41.469 --> 00:39:44.190
and the very best of Nitro got rave reviews from
700
00:39:44.250 --> 00:39:46.869
everybody and And then to be brought in for all
701
00:39:46.929 --> 00:39:51.820
the special Raws, you know, like the thousandth episode of
702
00:39:51.900 --> 00:39:55.780
Raw or the old school Raw. They bring me on
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00:39:55.800 --> 00:39:59.199
that once in a while. I mean, Paul, Triple H
704
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:04.030
lets me, they let me wear my stuff. Who gets
705
00:40:04.070 --> 00:40:05.349
to wear their own DD?
706
00:40:05.389 --> 00:40:06.829
Who gets to wear their own shit?
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00:40:07.449 --> 00:40:10.030
I thought that you just were so relentless they finally
708
00:40:10.070 --> 00:40:10.489
said yes.
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You know, dude, I just wore it and I figured,
710
00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:15.719
can they tell me to take it off? They will.
711
00:40:16.099 --> 00:40:17.420
And they never did because.
712
00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:20.900
Again, that's a gimmick. And Vince really is. You know,
713
00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:23.769
old school Vince is all about old school gimmicks. Like,
714
00:40:24.090 --> 00:40:26.789
this guy walks in the living room. He Ric Flair's it.
715
00:40:27.190 --> 00:40:30.269
Like nobody wants to give it like Ric Flair, you know,
716
00:40:30.690 --> 00:40:33.969
except for me as DDP and DDP Yoga, you know,
717
00:40:34.010 --> 00:40:35.250
because it's a shoot.
718
00:40:35.449 --> 00:40:35.989
It's real.
719
00:40:36.409 --> 00:40:38.510
I'm passionate. I don't care if you buy it or not.
720
00:40:39.469 --> 00:40:41.969
I'm just telling you how I feel about it with
721
00:40:41.989 --> 00:40:44.829
the lives I've changed. So I'm passionate about it. And
722
00:40:44.869 --> 00:40:48.389
then let me induct Jake. Like I'm thinking I'm obviously
723
00:40:48.409 --> 00:40:51.750
going to be the one to induct Jake, right? Until
724
00:40:52.190 --> 00:40:54.969
they call me and say, we just wanted to let
725
00:40:55.010 --> 00:40:58.769
you know, we picked you to induct Jake. And I'm thinking,
726
00:40:58.989 --> 00:40:59.869
oh yeah, right.
727
00:41:00.190 --> 00:41:01.409
It's their TV.
728
00:41:02.230 --> 00:41:07.769
Oh yeah. It's a big deal.
729
00:41:09.170 --> 00:41:11.150
And when you run your own business, you start to
730
00:41:11.210 --> 00:41:14.800
understand why it's their call when you're in their house,
731
00:41:15.179 --> 00:41:17.300
but it's your call when someone's in your house.
732
00:41:18.639 --> 00:41:21.719
Exactly. You know, and, And then when they brought me
733
00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:25.739
in for the Royal Rumble, you know, at the same time,
734
00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:30.929
we're in, we're in freaking Park City, you know, with
735
00:41:30.989 --> 00:41:36.210
our first slam dance film festival, which we're getting crazy
736
00:41:36.289 --> 00:41:39.409
rave reviews for the movie. And I got to leave
737
00:41:39.429 --> 00:41:41.519
there and sneak out. I didn't even tell Jake and
738
00:41:41.559 --> 00:41:45.079
Scott until after I was already in Jersey. And I
739
00:41:45.099 --> 00:41:50.170
didn't tell anybody. My wife knew. We were actually staying
740
00:41:50.190 --> 00:41:54.630
with my ex-wife and her husband. Kim knew, but that
741
00:41:54.650 --> 00:41:58.900
was it. Nobody knew. My voice was so shot. I
742
00:41:58.940 --> 00:42:00.840
did so many interviews over that period for the movie
743
00:42:00.860 --> 00:42:05.059
and everything. I was pushing myself so hard. My throat
744
00:42:05.219 --> 00:42:10.849
was gone. You can barely even understand me. I'm going
745
00:42:10.889 --> 00:42:12.710
back to the Rumble. Then when they called me to
746
00:42:12.750 --> 00:42:17.690
do WrestleMania this year, and out of There's 12 legends
747
00:42:18.210 --> 00:42:21.530
that can actually still go out and actually work. I
748
00:42:22.150 --> 00:42:24.349
was one of them, and Vince picked two, and I
749
00:42:24.389 --> 00:42:26.429
was one of them.
750
00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:28.920
Thank you, dude.
751
00:42:29.780 --> 00:42:35.000
Thanks for the awesome payoff. Thanks for the 101,000 people
752
00:42:35.619 --> 00:42:39.699
in that arena. Wow, I got to walk out to that.
753
00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:41.989
What a pop. I got a picture. It's only like
754
00:42:42.750 --> 00:42:47.570
a probably a quarter of the building, but they got
755
00:42:47.610 --> 00:42:53.070
those really big three levels of people. And I swear
756
00:42:53.250 --> 00:42:56.389
in this picture, 80% of the people got the Diamond
757
00:42:56.409 --> 00:43:01.590
Cutter sign up there. It was crazy, man. It was crazy.
758
00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:04.679
So I'm very grateful to be able to live the
759
00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:08.960
dream in my 60s. And now they're doing this DVD
760
00:43:09.539 --> 00:43:10.300
on me, man.
761
00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:12.170
DDP, I'm going to pause you.
762
00:43:12.969 --> 00:43:14.369
Let me pause you because I want to talk about
763
00:43:14.389 --> 00:43:16.309
the DVD in that process. I've got to go to
764
00:43:16.349 --> 00:43:18.590
my bottom of the hour break 10 minutes late. So
765
00:43:18.889 --> 00:43:21.489
let me cut to that quick, and then we'll come back.
766
00:43:21.849 --> 00:43:23.789
I wanted to ask about the DVD because that's really
767
00:43:23.829 --> 00:43:26.260
cool too. So hold tight, and we'll be back right
768
00:43:26.409 --> 00:43:33.239
after this word from our sponsors. We know you're a
769
00:43:33.260 --> 00:43:37.019
pro wrestling fan. Just a reminder, you can reach us
770
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:40.679
at WadeKellerPostShow at gmail.com if you're interested in contributing to
771
00:43:40.699 --> 00:43:44.489
the flagship, or WadeKellerPostShow at gmail.com if you're interested in
772
00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:46.909
submitting a question or a topic or even a rant
773
00:43:47.070 --> 00:44:03.469
on the Wade Keller Pro Wrestling Post Shows. you've had
774
00:44:03.489 --> 00:44:06.710
a very good relationship with WWE, despite not having the
775
00:44:06.769 --> 00:44:11.449
greatest run post WCW there. And you're talking about, uh,
776
00:44:11.489 --> 00:44:15.039
the positives of that. That's now manifesting in the form
777
00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:17.260
of a DVD. Is it coming out in January?
778
00:44:19.059 --> 00:44:21.659
Um, I think I want to say March. I want
779
00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:25.019
to say March. Cause I know we just filmed, we
780
00:44:25.059 --> 00:44:25.940
just filmed.
781
00:44:26.429 --> 00:44:33.980
Um, I was up in Jersey for my wife, my
782
00:44:34.059 --> 00:44:36.159
sister's 10th anniversary of her business.
783
00:44:36.460 --> 00:44:37.989
And so she asked me to come up and be
784
00:44:38.030 --> 00:44:42.909
Mickey Mouse with tattoos. I'm just like the mayor. I
785
00:44:43.949 --> 00:44:47.969
worked it into a signing I was doing up in
786
00:44:48.010 --> 00:44:51.619
a workshop I did up in Monroe, New Jersey. And
787
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:56.170
So WWE came to my sister's house and interviewed my
788
00:44:56.210 --> 00:45:00.190
mom and my sister and one of my best friends,
789
00:45:00.230 --> 00:45:04.449
Gary Rossi, who we grew up together. And I was
790
00:45:04.670 --> 00:45:07.460
really into wrestling big time when I was a little kid,
791
00:45:07.500 --> 00:45:11.090
like eight, nine, ten. and by 11, I was already
792
00:45:11.110 --> 00:45:12.869
playing sports. So I sort of got away from it,
793
00:45:13.170 --> 00:45:17.289
but at 17, I got pulled back into it. And, uh,
794
00:45:17.389 --> 00:45:21.130
but with Gary and handsome Jimmy value, I wanted to
795
00:45:21.230 --> 00:45:30.179
be handsome Jimmy value. Yeah. And, uh, so, uh, you know,
796
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:32.119
so he interviewed all that. And then we took a week,
797
00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:35.380
you know, we went all around my town and we, uh,
798
00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:37.780
and we just, I just talked, you know, about growing
799
00:45:37.860 --> 00:45:40.769
up here and, just things that happened in my life. And, uh,
800
00:45:41.170 --> 00:45:43.150
you know, some of the stories I talk about on my,
801
00:45:43.210 --> 00:45:45.510
you know, my street that I grew up on, I
802
00:45:45.550 --> 00:45:48.489
like my grandmother had this house is beautiful. You know,
803
00:45:48.510 --> 00:45:50.579
it wasn't that big, it was modest, but it was
804
00:45:50.619 --> 00:45:52.920
still really cool. And I went up and knocked on
805
00:45:52.940 --> 00:45:54.760
the guy's door and said, Hey man, I used to
806
00:45:54.820 --> 00:45:57.760
live here. I grew up here. Uh, care if I, uh,
807
00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:00.579
take some video in the side yard here where the
808
00:46:00.619 --> 00:46:03.849
pool is. He's like, sure. Go ahead.
809
00:46:04.489 --> 00:46:05.090
Wow.
810
00:46:05.730 --> 00:46:08.389
Uh, we got some great footage there. And, uh, it
811
00:46:08.429 --> 00:46:11.949
was a good time being with his guys. And, you know,
812
00:46:11.989 --> 00:46:13.929
things back, you know, when you, when you reminisce in
813
00:46:13.949 --> 00:46:16.289
your life, you know, you're doing like, they're doing like,
814
00:46:16.449 --> 00:46:20.389
I thought Bischoff's was awesome. I thought Scott Hall's was
815
00:46:20.510 --> 00:46:23.000
really good. They're the only two that I've seen like that.
816
00:46:23.059 --> 00:46:25.820
So I'm expecting this to be really cool, you know?
817
00:46:25.860 --> 00:46:28.519
And then, you know, one of our guys called in earlier,
818
00:46:28.559 --> 00:46:31.559
talked about, you know, my matches with Johnny B bad,
819
00:46:31.659 --> 00:46:35.480
AKA Mark Merrow. And so I know that like, they've
820
00:46:35.500 --> 00:46:38.449
got like my first matches on up, like, my first
821
00:46:38.510 --> 00:46:43.030
pay-per-view match. It was me and Michael Graham against, uh,
822
00:46:43.690 --> 00:46:47.610
Kat Kazmaier. And I want to say Justin Jushin Liger,
823
00:46:47.650 --> 00:46:49.389
but it wasn't, it was someone, I don't remember who
824
00:46:49.409 --> 00:46:52.349
the other person was, but you know, Bill Kazmaier, you
825
00:46:52.369 --> 00:46:57.059
talk about a guy that was huge. Yeah. Like one
826
00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:00.300
complete muscle, you know, and, you know, and I'm out
827
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:05.360
there with, uh, with, with Mike Graham, uh, who got legend,
828
00:47:05.380 --> 00:47:08.690
you know, as far as the Florida area and stuff. But, uh, um,
829
00:47:08.829 --> 00:47:11.190
really Michael Graham opened a lot of doors for me
830
00:47:11.349 --> 00:47:13.550
to get, he opened the door to me to Dusty
831
00:47:14.070 --> 00:47:16.469
years ago. So like the, for him to start, he
832
00:47:16.510 --> 00:47:19.010
busted my chops. He goes, Oh God, you know, your
833
00:47:19.050 --> 00:47:22.550
career's over when you're, when you're tagging with diamond Dallas page,
834
00:47:22.969 --> 00:47:25.469
you know, it was, it was, it was, it was
835
00:47:25.510 --> 00:47:27.599
fun ribbing on the square.
836
00:47:27.420 --> 00:47:27.880
Shit, you know?
837
00:47:27.900 --> 00:47:37.730
But, uh, Then they worked their way up through the
838
00:47:37.789 --> 00:47:42.809
barrel match. It got like 14 matches or something on
839
00:47:42.829 --> 00:47:46.889
that between two DVDs. They go right through my career.
840
00:47:46.909 --> 00:47:49.420
There's some really good matches on there. The other ones
841
00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:51.420
are celebrity. They got to put them on there, you know.
842
00:47:53.960 --> 00:47:56.159
But they will never be my favorite matches by any
843
00:47:56.179 --> 00:47:57.960
stretch of the imagination.
844
00:47:58.239 --> 00:48:00.739
If we've got listeners who did not watch the Monday
845
00:48:00.780 --> 00:48:02.679
Night War, and they might not have gone back and
846
00:48:02.699 --> 00:48:06.159
watched a lot of the matches, you can stay busy,
847
00:48:06.179 --> 00:48:09.300
just try to keep up on today. If somebody gets
848
00:48:09.340 --> 00:48:13.130
the DVD and gets interested in your career, which two
849
00:48:13.210 --> 00:48:16.150
matches do you want them to take time to watch
850
00:48:16.389 --> 00:48:18.809
of your career if they only can commit to two?
851
00:48:20.670 --> 00:48:23.929
Well, one for sure, I think was the best match
852
00:48:24.139 --> 00:48:28.079
ever on Nitro. And it was, we, it was actually
853
00:48:28.139 --> 00:48:31.059
the last quarter hour that was ever won.
854
00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:34.119
Yeah.
855
00:48:34.400 --> 00:48:40.820
It was me against Sting and Sting, um, beat me
856
00:48:40.880 --> 00:48:43.739
for the world title. And I won it later back
857
00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:45.599
that night, which was Dusty's idea.
858
00:48:45.619 --> 00:48:50.889
Um, but, uh, the, um, The.
859
00:48:50.829 --> 00:48:55.010
Match between me and Sting, if you'll notice, you see
860
00:48:55.030 --> 00:48:58.730
me throw Sting to the floor? The only reason that
861
00:48:58.789 --> 00:49:02.579
happened was because I was told by the referee, we
862
00:49:02.619 --> 00:49:06.139
got five more minutes, and we were going home. And
863
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:07.800
I just grabbed Sting and threw him to the ground,
864
00:49:07.820 --> 00:49:11.360
and he was so pissed. And he sort of remembers,
865
00:49:11.460 --> 00:49:14.150
I talked to him about this. We were doing the dinner.
866
00:49:14.170 --> 00:49:16.269
I don't know if it actually aired. I don't know
867
00:49:16.289 --> 00:49:19.320
if they showed all that. But you know, me, Vader,
868
00:49:19.380 --> 00:49:21.780
and Sting on the network, you know, we were having
869
00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:24.079
the dinner time, three for dinner or whatever it's called.
870
00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:29.699
But Sting has like two matches mixed up. Everybody has
871
00:49:29.739 --> 00:49:32.719
their own thing. way things went down. And I know
872
00:49:32.780 --> 00:49:34.510
Sting was really pissed at me at one of our
873
00:49:34.530 --> 00:49:38.050
matches because I was really stiff with him. He sort
874
00:49:38.070 --> 00:49:40.150
of put that into this match, which it really wasn't.
875
00:49:40.690 --> 00:49:43.800
But I ended up throwing him to the floor because
876
00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:46.039
we got to eat up some time. We got five
877
00:49:46.059 --> 00:49:49.079
more minutes. And he's like, what the hell are you doing?
878
00:49:49.099 --> 00:49:51.840
So I had to like shoot, choke him. They're like,
879
00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:55.739
we got five more minutes, and I just swatted them.
880
00:49:55.780 --> 00:49:58.420
And I think what we did there, and if we
881
00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:01.030
had never worked together before, it never would have been
882
00:50:01.050 --> 00:50:05.670
that good. But because we worked together so many different times,
883
00:50:06.170 --> 00:50:09.349
we just called it on the fly. And, yeah, I
884
00:50:09.389 --> 00:50:13.199
think that might have been the best match. That might
885
00:50:13.219 --> 00:50:15.159
have been the best match ever on my show, I think.
886
00:50:15.300 --> 00:50:18.000
If it's not the best match, show me one that's better.
887
00:50:18.750 --> 00:50:21.010
And I did all the best of nitros. If I
888
00:50:21.050 --> 00:50:25.010
could have found one, it would be up there. So,
889
00:50:25.750 --> 00:50:28.170
and they really went for the best. They had great guns.
890
00:50:28.730 --> 00:50:31.030
And as far as any other match, you know, the
891
00:50:31.070 --> 00:50:34.269
reason why I want to go back to, like, you see, like,
892
00:50:34.309 --> 00:50:37.829
there's a point in my career where I started to
893
00:50:38.070 --> 00:50:40.849
get it. And I started to get how to tell
894
00:50:40.889 --> 00:50:43.800
the story. And everything Jake had taught me, you know,
895
00:50:43.820 --> 00:50:46.699
was really coming together. And it was when I was
896
00:50:46.760 --> 00:50:50.110
working with John, I'd be bad. Because we were that
897
00:50:50.250 --> 00:50:54.849
first match. And we could go out there. Because they
898
00:50:54.869 --> 00:50:57.969
weren't putting me on the road. And they weren't putting
899
00:50:57.989 --> 00:51:01.869
me on Nitro. So I asked Kevin Sullivan, can we
900
00:51:01.929 --> 00:51:07.039
work the dark match? So we'd go out there every
901
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:12.039
Monday night, leading up to that pay-per-view, and go out
902
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:14.679
there and freaking just steal the show before anybody got
903
00:51:14.699 --> 00:51:17.860
out there. And, you know, that's like 19, I want
904
00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:21.420
to say 95, 95-ish, somewhere around there. I can't remember
905
00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:23.880
exactly the years. But that would be where you could
906
00:51:23.900 --> 00:51:27.780
see him really start my career, starting to, you know, like, wow, okay,
907
00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:28.550
he's getting it.
908
00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:30.699
And getting how to tell a story.
909
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:33.070
And I can remember the first time Mark and I
910
00:51:33.090 --> 00:51:39.150
were wrestling, and everybody was, one, two, ah! I looked
911
00:51:39.230 --> 00:51:42.230
up at him, and I go, we got him. And
912
00:51:42.269 --> 00:51:44.389
we had never really experienced that yet.
913
00:51:44.849 --> 00:51:45.889
And it wasn't the pay-per-view.
914
00:51:46.030 --> 00:51:48.949
It was the Monday Nitros. And you want to know why,
915
00:51:48.969 --> 00:51:51.460
you know, like Dusty and Flair and all these guys,
916
00:51:51.940 --> 00:51:54.840
you know, Funk and Hogan and all of them, you know,
917
00:51:54.900 --> 00:51:56.840
could go out there and just call a match and
918
00:51:56.920 --> 00:52:01.119
make a pretty damn good match. Well, they worked thousands
919
00:52:01.159 --> 00:52:06.329
of times together. You know, not five or six times, hundreds,
920
00:52:06.909 --> 00:52:11.789
maybe thousands of times. Like, I'm sure when Terry Funk
921
00:52:12.690 --> 00:52:16.949
and Dusty Rhodes or Dusty Rhodes and Kevin Sullivan, you know,
922
00:52:16.989 --> 00:52:19.650
went in that ring, they never even had to think.
923
00:52:21.610 --> 00:52:25.150
They just went on the instinct vibe. And what the
924
00:52:25.170 --> 00:52:26.449
crowd was buying, you know?
925
00:52:27.050 --> 00:52:27.360
Right.
926
00:52:30.420 --> 00:52:35.179
Very cool, DDP. We got a question from somebody emailed
927
00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:40.030
actually just before we went on the air. Brian Alston.
928
00:52:40.179 --> 00:52:43.099
He says, Hi, Dallas. I do DDP yoga. Wake up
929
00:52:43.639 --> 00:52:46.480
every morning. It helps to start the day off right.
930
00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:47.719
Two questions.
931
00:52:48.260 --> 00:52:50.820
If you could give a diamond cutter to any current
932
00:52:51.059 --> 00:52:53.420
WWE superstar who would be on the receiving end, and
933
00:52:53.460 --> 00:52:56.809
if you could give a diamond cutter to any living politician, newsmaker,
934
00:52:56.909 --> 00:52:58.829
or celebrity who would be on the receiving end. Thanks,
935
00:52:58.889 --> 00:52:59.429
and have a good day.
936
00:53:00.750 --> 00:53:04.110
Well, Randy Orton, number one. Yeah.
937
00:53:04.190 --> 00:53:05.280
I'm going to go hate him.
938
00:53:06.210 --> 00:53:08.840
And I love every time I see Randy, I go, hey,
939
00:53:09.110 --> 00:53:17.000
legend killer, haven't killed me yet. It's kind of apropos,
940
00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:19.239
you know, that he's killed so many guys, you know,
941
00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:21.860
but he never hit me. And I saw for sure
942
00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:26.280
at that Royal Rumble, I thought for sure the guy
943
00:53:26.300 --> 00:53:29.119
coming out was going to be Randy. Yeah, I thought
944
00:53:29.139 --> 00:53:31.409
for sure. When I heard it wasn't him, I was like,
945
00:53:31.869 --> 00:53:37.340
I escaped again. Funny. And right now, I would do
946
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:41.019
a double diamond cutter and just take Hillary and Trump
947
00:53:41.059 --> 00:53:45.340
right to the mat. I mean, it's brutal. The choices
948
00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:48.409
we have this year are so, it's brutal.
949
00:53:48.750 --> 00:53:49.489
It's brutal.
950
00:53:50.150 --> 00:53:53.710
You know, it's not fair. It's not fair that they
951
00:53:53.730 --> 00:53:57.190
can both suck so bad. You know, I don't care
952
00:53:57.210 --> 00:53:59.349
who likes them or who likes them or who don't.
953
00:53:59.369 --> 00:54:04.190
You know, I think our choices are horrible. They're horrible.
954
00:54:05.230 --> 00:54:10.349
And outside of politics, is there a celebrity, a movie, TV,
955
00:54:10.409 --> 00:54:12.590
talk show, anybody like that who jumps out and gets
956
00:54:12.650 --> 00:54:14.250
under your skin?
957
00:54:14.269 --> 00:54:14.809
Sure, The Rock.
958
00:54:14.969 --> 00:54:15.179
No.
959
00:54:15.260 --> 00:54:19.059
I love The Rock. I'm the biggest. I tell you what,
960
00:54:19.099 --> 00:54:20.380
I might be one of the biggest marks in the
961
00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:23.739
world for The Rock, though. I love everything he's doing.
962
00:54:24.340 --> 00:54:27.699
I don't know. I'm insanely busy. But when I see
963
00:54:27.739 --> 00:54:30.960
all the shit he's doing, I'm thinking, God, where did
964
00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:33.360
he get the time? Because he's doing way more shit
965
00:54:33.380 --> 00:54:36.550
than I'm doing. how's he doing it and doing it
966
00:54:36.889 --> 00:54:41.829
amazing like this series ballers was unbelievable i mean he's
967
00:54:41.869 --> 00:54:44.670
just he's really coming into his own as an actor
968
00:54:44.730 --> 00:54:47.150
right now too uh so.
969
00:54:47.030 --> 00:54:49.130
Uh i think he'll make it i think he's got
970
00:54:49.170 --> 00:54:50.030
a good chance to make it.
971
00:54:50.070 --> 00:54:52.489
Yeah yeah he's got a really good i love i
972
00:54:52.610 --> 00:54:58.199
love the fact that the number one highest paid entertainer
973
00:54:58.360 --> 00:55:01.239
in the world is one of us i mean i
974
00:55:01.300 --> 00:55:03.320
love it i'm a I couldn't be more proud of
975
00:55:03.380 --> 00:55:05.739
that cat, man. I don't know if you saw the
976
00:55:06.159 --> 00:55:08.239
final episode. I've got to go because I've got another
977
00:55:08.300 --> 00:55:09.820
thing I have to go to. But I want to
978
00:55:09.860 --> 00:55:13.130
finish with this. Eddie George, that blast, did you see
979
00:55:13.190 --> 00:55:14.389
Ballers the last episode?
980
00:55:14.989 --> 00:55:15.170
Nope.
981
00:55:15.289 --> 00:55:17.150
With Eddie George's playing himself.
982
00:55:17.829 --> 00:55:21.179
But I'll tell you what, that man right there has
983
00:55:21.199 --> 00:55:24.880
been doing some serious acting classes because he stole the
984
00:55:24.920 --> 00:55:27.800
scene in that. I mean, the football player used to
985
00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:30.800
play for Tennessee. He just was an amazing Heisman winning trooper.
986
00:55:30.820 --> 00:55:32.940
I think, I think pretty sure he was a Heisman winner,
987
00:55:33.659 --> 00:55:36.340
but he was just an amazing athlete. He was actually
988
00:55:36.380 --> 00:55:39.059
on the cover of real men do yoga, where I
989
00:55:39.099 --> 00:55:41.949
was actually in that magazine that time that that came out.
990
00:55:42.349 --> 00:55:44.150
So I want to, I got to close with this.
991
00:55:44.190 --> 00:55:47.190
First of all, you guys know DDP yoga. Now my
992
00:55:47.530 --> 00:55:50.929
app is killer. I'm going down mode because there's a
993
00:55:50.989 --> 00:55:55.289
free version too. And every Monday I do motivational Mondays and,
994
00:55:55.610 --> 00:55:59.610
And this week, if you've already seen the resurrection, go
995
00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:03.079
and get my app. Go to this week, Motivational Mondays.
996
00:56:03.099 --> 00:56:06.320
It'll be right on the first screen there on the dashboard.
997
00:56:06.940 --> 00:56:09.880
I talked to Jake. So you can see where Jake
998
00:56:09.920 --> 00:56:12.219
is three years later. I'll tell you, Wade.
999
00:56:12.239 --> 00:56:12.780
There you go.
1000
00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:14.840
Unbelievable.
1001
00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:16.699
Unbelievable. And I got to tell you about my other app,
1002
00:56:16.969 --> 00:56:19.989
because you're the guy who put it in my brain
1003
00:56:20.670 --> 00:56:24.179
five years ago. I said, hey, you're sticking with the program?
1004
00:56:24.219 --> 00:56:26.920
He goes, you know, I love the program, but I
1005
00:56:26.940 --> 00:56:28.400
really wish I could get you to call me up
1006
00:56:28.480 --> 00:56:31.639
every morning and say, get on the mat, monkey. And
1007
00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:34.880
I walked away from that conversation with Wade. And I
1008
00:56:35.409 --> 00:56:39.449
thought to myself, what if I had a video wake-up
1009
00:56:39.550 --> 00:56:44.909
alarm clock? Well, now I do. And it's DDP Video
1010
00:56:45.150 --> 00:56:49.199
Wake-Up Alarm Clock. It's a free app. It cost me
1011
00:56:49.300 --> 00:56:52.159
over $ 100, 000 to make it on five platforms. But I
1012
00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:55.519
wanted to inspire people. I also want to be funny
1013
00:56:55.980 --> 00:57:00.469
at times and just out and out ridiculous at other times.
1014
00:57:01.050 --> 00:57:02.409
Let me wake you up in the morning.
1015
00:57:03.349 --> 00:57:05.090
Guarantee it starts your day, bro.
1016
00:57:06.530 --> 00:57:08.190
DDP, I know you've got to run for another interview.
1017
00:57:08.230 --> 00:57:10.050
Thank you so much. We've got to do this again soon.
1018
00:57:10.090 --> 00:57:13.159
Maybe when your DVD is near coming out, we'll reminisce
1019
00:57:13.239 --> 00:57:16.829
a little more and comment. We'll comment on Goldberg and
1020
00:57:16.869 --> 00:57:19.070
whether he's doing DDP yoga every day to recover from
1021
00:57:19.110 --> 00:57:20.670
what happens with match with Lesnar.
1022
00:57:23.050 --> 00:57:25.590
I'll tell you what, I would have six bags of
1023
00:57:25.750 --> 00:57:29.969
ice right when I got that ring if I was Goldberg.
1024
00:57:31.050 --> 00:57:33.789
Hopefully it'll be a good watch. Hopefully it'll be a
1025
00:57:33.789 --> 00:57:35.969
good watch. Hey, wait, thanks for having me on. Everybody
1026
00:57:36.030 --> 00:57:40.170
out there, again, go to ddpyoga.com. It's going to be
1027
00:57:40.250 --> 00:57:41.190
killing this year.
1028
00:57:41.210 --> 00:57:41.610
See ya.
1029
00:57:42.820 --> 00:57:45.679
Take care. Take care. That's DDP diamond Dallas page. Good
1030
00:57:45.699 --> 00:57:49.139
conversation with him. Thanks everybody for joining me today on
1031
00:57:49.179 --> 00:57:52.679
the PW torch live cast. If you're craving more conversation
1032
00:57:53.019 --> 00:57:55.840
on nitro in the WSW era and Goldberg and all
1033
00:57:55.860 --> 00:57:57.940
that good stuff. And you missed last week's interview with
1034
00:57:57.980 --> 00:58:01.039
Scott Hudson, longtime WSW announcer. He goes all the way
1035
00:58:01.079 --> 00:58:05.539
back as a correspondent for WCW TV tapings for pro
1036
00:58:05.559 --> 00:58:08.179
wrestling torch in the early nineties. We talked about all
1037
00:58:08.219 --> 00:58:11.289
kinds of cool stuff. Check it out if you want
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to become a VIP member and read Scott Hudson's TV
1039
00:58:14.469 --> 00:58:18.920
taping reports in the Pro Wrestling Torch newsletter exclusively as
1040
00:58:18.980 --> 00:58:33.780
a PWTorch VIP member. Thank you, everybody, for listening. And tomorrow,
1041
00:58:34.260 --> 00:58:38.239
Bruce Mitchell and Travis Bryant, the primetime... Friday edition of
1042
00:58:38.260 --> 00:58:40.280
the PW torch live cast. We'll talk about the week
1043
00:58:40.440 --> 00:58:43.360
in wrestling. In the meantime, check out Travis Bryant's East
1044
00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:46.099
coast cast, the PW torch East coast cast available for
1045
00:58:46.199 --> 00:58:52.190
free at East coast cast.com. And then Saturday morning wrestling
1046
00:58:52.269 --> 00:58:55.230
with Jim Valley, 1130 Eastern time, Saturday morning. So if
1047
00:58:55.250 --> 00:58:58.289
you were someone who listens to the show on demand
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check that out. Thank you everybody for continuing to help
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00:59:12.400 --> 00:59:16.179
us grow. And thank you for your support of what
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00:59:16.219 --> 00:59:22.119
we do here at PW torch live cast, check out pwtorch.com.
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00:59:22.139 --> 00:59:25.289
We have a fascinating flashback to 10 years ago, the
1056
00:59:25.329 --> 00:59:28.800
reader reaction to, a collection of paragraphs of what readers
1057
00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:32.059
thought of Monday Night Raw with Cena cutting a promo
1058
00:59:32.619 --> 00:59:35.389
on KFED. Is that what it's called? I can't even remember.
1059
00:59:35.429 --> 00:59:39.829
He's such a fly-by-night celebrity in my world. And Umaga
1060
00:59:40.849 --> 00:59:45.530
getting into it with another celebrity, Steve-O, and some other cool,
1061
00:59:45.610 --> 00:59:48.349
weird things from 10 years ago. It's amazing how memories
1062
00:59:48.389 --> 00:59:50.409
come back when you look back at a show from
1063
00:59:50.409 --> 00:59:51.989
10 years ago. So Monday Night Raw, 10 years ago
1064
00:59:52.030 --> 00:59:54.289
this week, you could read what readers had to say
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about A lot of wrestlers who are still around today
1066
00:59:56.969 --> 01:00:00.070
and some who are distant memories or semi-distant memories, like
1067
01:00:00.110 --> 01:00:02.789
the debut of Crime Time 10 years ago this week.
1068
01:00:03.110 --> 01:00:05.909
So cool stuff over at PWTorch.com. Not just current news,
1069
01:00:06.010 --> 01:00:10.800
current editorials, current results, but also flashbacks and special features.
1070
01:00:10.860 --> 01:00:13.579
And then MMATorch.com will have coverage Friday night of Bobby
1071
01:00:13.619 --> 01:00:17.420
Lashley's fight live on Spike TV. Will he extend his
1072
01:00:17.500 --> 01:00:18.239
winning streak?
1073
01:00:18.599 --> 01:00:19.260
He's favored.
1074
01:00:19.300 --> 01:00:19.920
He should win.
1075
01:00:20.699 --> 01:00:23.420
And by the way, VIP members got here. Todd Martin
1076
01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:25.949
and I talked for over two hours about current events
1077
01:00:26.070 --> 01:00:29.110
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1078
01:00:29.849 --> 01:00:33.690
about the Bailey Dana Brooks segment. Always a fun show
1079
01:00:33.730 --> 01:00:35.869
with Todd. That's VIP exclusive, The Fix with Todd Martin.
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01:00:35.889 --> 01:00:37.510
And in the end, we always talk every week about
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01:00:37.610 --> 01:00:43.409
MMA for 10, 20, 30 minutes. Todd, a in-demand MMA
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01:00:43.530 --> 01:00:47.449
analyst writing for top sites and contributing to top podcasts.
1083
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And we get him every week at the end of
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01:00:49.639 --> 01:00:51.980
The Fix talking about the latest happenings in MMA, his
1085
01:00:52.019 --> 01:00:54.940
take on the George St. Pierre situation. And a preview
1086
01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:58.840
of the Bellator card. And news of Chael Sonnen and
1087
01:00:58.900 --> 01:01:02.800
Tito Ortiz going at it in January on a Bellator card.
1088
01:01:03.079 --> 01:01:06.079
So lots of cool stuff. Some free and some of it,
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a lot of it, VIP only. And you now know
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how to go VIP. PWTorch.com slash go VIP. That'll do
1091
01:01:14.750 --> 01:01:17.750
it for me for today. And until next time, Wade
1092
01:01:17.769 --> 01:01:19.320
Keller thanking you and signing off.
1093
01:01:31.630 --> 01:01:35.110
Need an extra dose of positivity in your wrestling podcasts? Well,
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01:01:35.179 --> 01:01:38.059
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01:01:42.119 --> 01:01:44.719
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or Mexico. There's always a place for wrestling's past in
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01:01:52.949 --> 01:01:56.090
the Paradise too, and we've done fun historical shows such
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as the We Love Liger series, celebrating the glorious career
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of Jushin Thunder Liger. and our I Was There When shows,
1102
01:02:03.130 --> 01:02:05.050
where our guests will join me to talk about a
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01:02:05.130 --> 01:02:08.860
classic bout that they were in attendance for. We love variety,
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and you can expect lots of it at the Pro
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from our ad-free VIP mobile site. See you in the paradise.
1110
01:02:50.429 --> 01:02:53.159
Good morning and welcome to Saturday Morning Wrestling. I am
1111
01:02:53.199 --> 01:02:56.559
Pat McNeil here in the studio. Jim Bally is out
1112
01:02:56.599 --> 01:02:59.800
in the world. Jim, we just talked to Randy Mulkey.
1113
01:02:59.880 --> 01:03:04.960
He will be joining us possibly between 12 o'clock and 12.15.
1114
01:03:04.940 --> 01:03:10.179
Yeah, probably in about a half an hour. Randy, for
1115
01:03:10.219 --> 01:03:11.739
those who don't know, and I guess no one knows,
1116
01:03:13.239 --> 01:03:16.030
just got done with knee surgery. He got knee surgery
1117
01:03:16.150 --> 01:03:20.860
on Thursday. And it was successful. And they're getting ready
1118
01:03:20.880 --> 01:03:25.380
to discharge him, he just told us. And here's the thing, though,
1119
01:03:26.000 --> 01:03:27.559
is I don't know if you've spent any time in
1120
01:03:27.579 --> 01:03:31.219
the hospital, but I've spent time in the hospital. And realistically,
1121
01:03:31.260 --> 01:03:33.340
when they say they're going to discharge you, really what
1122
01:03:33.389 --> 01:03:36.269
they mean is probably about six hours from now that
1123
01:03:36.289 --> 01:03:40.289
they're going to discharge him. So unless they're literally throwing
1124
01:03:40.329 --> 01:03:42.349
him out of the hospital right now, which I don't
1125
01:03:42.369 --> 01:03:45.250
think they are, I'm going to guess at 12 o'clock
1126
01:03:45.329 --> 01:03:47.670
Eastern time, he's going to still be in the hospital.
1127
01:03:48.019 --> 01:03:50.760
Anybody want to take any bets on that? Because I
1128
01:03:50.780 --> 01:03:51.860
could really use your money.
1129
01:03:53.739 --> 01:03:54.030
Okay.
1130
01:03:54.199 --> 01:03:58.929
Well, no, I don't. Welcome to Saturday Morning Wrestling. Saturday
1131
01:03:58.949 --> 01:04:00.409
Morning Wrestling, by the way, is brought to you today
1132
01:04:00.469 --> 01:04:03.590
by fanessentials.net, the Glam Crate.
1133
01:04:04.409 --> 01:04:04.670
Okay.
1134
01:04:04.949 --> 01:04:05.989
Okay, I'm sorry. Go ahead, Jim.
1135
01:04:07.130 --> 01:04:10.030
Oh, do whatever you need to do. I'm actually on
1136
01:04:10.090 --> 01:04:13.730
the road. I'm getting ready to cross the bridge across
1137
01:04:13.769 --> 01:04:18.449
the Columbia River. to go into Portland, Oregon, mild stomping grounds,
1138
01:04:19.130 --> 01:04:23.369
and go to the Portland Retro Gaming Expo. It is
1139
01:04:24.030 --> 01:04:30.110
a huge retro gaming expo with Atari, which is what
1140
01:04:30.190 --> 01:04:32.329
I started with my love of video games, I guess,
1141
01:04:32.389 --> 01:04:39.090
and Nintendo and Genesis and PlayStation and also those punk
1142
01:04:39.150 --> 01:04:44.710
kids who their nostalgia is now the Xbox. I hate them.
1143
01:04:45.409 --> 01:04:49.269
Other than that, it's a huge event. Are you a
1144
01:04:49.289 --> 01:04:53.760
video game guy, Pat? Well, not really.
1145
01:04:55.159 --> 01:04:57.880
Our family didn't want to spring for the Atari, so
1146
01:04:57.900 --> 01:04:59.960
we got the Magnavox Odyssey. I don't know if you
1147
01:04:59.980 --> 01:05:00.360
remember that.
1148
01:05:01.519 --> 01:05:03.480
Oh, yeah, the Magnavox Odyssey.
1149
01:05:04.480 --> 01:05:08.539
For some reason, the home of the Casey Munchkins game,
1150
01:05:08.579 --> 01:05:14.360
Casey Munchkins, almost immediately sued by Atari for being a
1151
01:05:14.380 --> 01:05:17.030
copy of Pac-Man, and things sort of went downhill for them.
1152
01:05:18.349 --> 01:05:21.329
I always felt bad for the Odyssey kids. I'm sorry,
1153
01:05:21.389 --> 01:05:24.829
but I did. The keyboard looked cool. You could do
1154
01:05:24.909 --> 01:05:28.909
jack crap with it, much like today's touch cell phones.
1155
01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:32.929
But they had the games. They had no licensed games.
1156
01:05:33.070 --> 01:05:36.250
All the games were rip-offs, and they were terrible. So
1157
01:05:36.329 --> 01:05:38.869
I'm sorry your parents didn't love you, Pat. I'm sorry
1158
01:05:38.889 --> 01:05:41.030
that they got you the Odyssey.
1159
01:05:41.809 --> 01:05:44.650
They did, however, get me an Apple II, which led
1160
01:05:44.690 --> 01:05:45.449
to a whole other thing.
1161
01:05:45.469 --> 01:05:47.570
They got you an Apple, okay. Now, did you play
1162
01:05:47.630 --> 01:05:48.610
Oregon Trail?
1163
01:05:49.349 --> 01:05:52.409
Actually, that's not fair. My mother got an Apple II
1164
01:05:52.449 --> 01:05:54.889
for going back to school and getting her computer degree.
1165
01:05:55.309 --> 01:05:56.449
But I got to use it occasionally.
1166
01:05:57.449 --> 01:06:03.570
Did you play Lemonade Stand? no did you play uh...
1167
01:06:03.550 --> 01:06:04.630
oregon trail.
1168
01:06:06.230 --> 01:06:06.369
Uh.
1169
01:06:06.449 --> 01:06:10.570
played uh... one-on-one with one-on-one basketball dr j and larry
1170
01:06:10.610 --> 01:06:12.969
bird uh... all of the week i want to get
1171
01:06:13.010 --> 01:06:16.510
you know what you know you know those those sort
1172
01:06:16.530 --> 01:06:16.989
of games.
1173
01:06:17.829 --> 01:06:21.449
Now did you ever play any wrestling video games uh.
1174
01:06:21.550 --> 01:06:24.150
no not really that there weren't uh... in in the
1175
01:06:24.190 --> 01:06:27.489
past there really weren't that many good wrestling video games
1176
01:06:27.550 --> 01:06:29.050
back then for a while any.
1177
01:06:32.929 --> 01:06:37.030
You know, there was a wrestling game on television, which
1178
01:06:37.070 --> 01:06:39.880
was interesting, and there was a wrestling game on the computer. God,
1179
01:06:40.730 --> 01:06:44.610
was it the Commodore? And there was like an Indian chief,
1180
01:06:44.929 --> 01:06:48.670
and you had to manipulate all of the keyboard keys
1181
01:06:48.710 --> 01:06:50.949
to do everything. And you were lucky if you could
1182
01:06:50.969 --> 01:06:54.010
get like a body slam or a suplex out of
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01:06:54.050 --> 01:06:56.280
that thing. And not like you could tell really graphically
1184
01:06:56.320 --> 01:06:59.949
what it was either, but... It was a lot of fun.
1185
01:06:59.989 --> 01:07:04.829
I probably played virtually every pro wrestling video game ever.
1186
01:07:04.849 --> 01:07:09.469
There's probably only a handful of games that I haven't played.
1187
01:07:09.489 --> 01:07:13.820
And as a matter of fact, I have got a WrestleFest.
1188
01:07:13.860 --> 01:07:16.820
I've mentioned this before, but in my basement, I've got
1189
01:07:17.159 --> 01:07:20.420
a centipede, I've got a pinball machine, I've got a Ms.
1190
01:07:20.460 --> 01:07:23.969
Pac-Man and Galaga, and I have a WrestleFest. And of
1191
01:07:24.030 --> 01:07:27.010
all of my games, I by far play the WrestleFest
1192
01:07:27.030 --> 01:07:30.010
the most. It's a four-person WrestleFest.
1193
01:07:30.650 --> 01:07:32.429
Now, I can admit that I did log a lot
1194
01:07:32.469 --> 01:07:34.030
of WrestleFest time during law school.
1195
01:07:34.590 --> 01:07:37.349
Okay, good to hear. I was getting a little worried
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01:07:37.389 --> 01:07:37.889
about you.
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01:07:39.389 --> 01:07:42.019
Yes, and I eventually got to the point where I
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01:07:42.039 --> 01:07:43.519
could win with Demolition as my team.
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01:07:44.679 --> 01:07:47.579
Wow, that's pretty impressive. I remember one time when the
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01:07:47.639 --> 01:07:50.820
game first came out in 90 or 91, whenever it was.
1201
01:07:50.860 --> 01:07:53.909
I think it was 94. But I was at Disneyland,
1202
01:07:53.949 --> 01:07:55.650
and I think I wasted all my time at the
1203
01:07:55.730 --> 01:07:59.269
arcade at Disneyland playing WrestleFest instead of, I don't know,
1204
01:07:59.329 --> 01:08:00.449
enjoying Disneyland.
1205
01:08:01.429 --> 01:08:02.599
I'm sure you had your reasons.
1206
01:08:03.980 --> 01:08:08.840
Because I liked WrestleFest. That would be a reason. Yeah, sadly.
1207
01:08:09.780 --> 01:08:12.260
So anyway, I'm going to this big expo.
1208
01:08:12.280 --> 01:08:12.679
Yes, sir.
1209
01:08:14.469 --> 01:08:16.689
Well, I'm just looking at the clock here. We have
1210
01:08:16.710 --> 01:08:18.890
a couple people on hold, a couple people who you might.
1211
01:08:18.789 --> 01:08:19.270
Know, actually.
1212
01:08:19.729 --> 01:08:21.529
I'm going to go ahead and then say that we
1213
01:08:21.590 --> 01:08:23.810
schedule a break here, and we come back, we take
1214
01:08:23.850 --> 01:08:26.470
some calls, and maybe we could talk about some of
1215
01:08:26.510 --> 01:08:29.069
the great pro wrestling video games of the past. That
1216
01:08:29.229 --> 01:08:31.789
certainly is a potential topic for Saturday Morning Wrestling.
1217
01:08:32.529 --> 01:08:34.189
And the other thing I want to talk about is
1218
01:08:34.250 --> 01:08:36.229
one of the reasons we scheduled the monkeys on the
1219
01:08:36.270 --> 01:08:42.350
show today is because of the success of James Ellsworth.
1220
01:08:43.529 --> 01:08:45.329
And when we come back from the break, we can
1221
01:08:45.369 --> 01:08:49.119
also talk about jobbers in our day the enhancement guys
1222
01:08:49.380 --> 01:08:52.659
and some of our favorite enhancement guys and how they
1223
01:08:52.699 --> 01:08:55.470
compare and really you can draw a line between the
1224
01:08:55.500 --> 01:08:59.119
Mulkeys and James Ellsworth. And so that's one of the
1225
01:08:59.180 --> 01:09:00.720
other topics I want to talk about. So we get
1226
01:09:00.760 --> 01:09:03.680
back on the break. We could continue me dragging you
1227
01:09:03.720 --> 01:09:07.569
into video games, kicking and screaming, or we can pivot
1228
01:09:07.789 --> 01:09:11.590
and talk about enhancement talent. Some people don't like the
1229
01:09:11.689 --> 01:09:13.630
term jobber, so we'll talk about that.
1230
01:09:14.869 --> 01:09:17.890
All right, we'll be right back with more Saturday Morning Wrestling.
1231
01:09:17.930 --> 01:09:18.649
Don't go anywhere.
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01:09:18.670 --> 01:09:20.229
If you're like me, you with PWTorch.com.
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01:09:47.550 --> 01:09:51.329
All right, Saturday Morning Wrestling is back on the air
1234
01:09:51.369 --> 01:09:56.720
here on PWTorchLivecast.com. The number is 515-605-9345, and it would
1235
01:09:56.760 --> 01:09:59.119
probably help the cause greatly if I would go ahead
1236
01:09:59.140 --> 01:10:01.020
and open the chat room. Sorry, I got distracted here
1237
01:10:01.060 --> 01:10:03.840
for a moment. Jim Valley is out on the road
1238
01:10:03.920 --> 01:10:05.479
getting ready to do some retro gaming.
1239
01:10:05.500 --> 01:10:06.060
Hello, Jim.
1240
01:10:07.239 --> 01:10:07.960
Hello, Pat.
1241
01:10:09.439 --> 01:10:13.739
So we talked a little about retro. Yeah, go ahead.
1242
01:10:13.770 --> 01:10:16.109
Can you hear me now? Can you hear me now?
1243
01:10:17.170 --> 01:10:22.689
How about now? Anyway, good. Well, I'm sorry for everyone
1244
01:10:22.710 --> 01:10:27.369
who has to listen. But anyway, where was I? Video games.
1245
01:10:28.069 --> 01:10:33.680
We can talk about your favorite games. Here's what you
1246
01:10:33.720 --> 01:10:37.340
can get away with with me. WrestleFest, probably greatest wrestling
1247
01:10:37.359 --> 01:10:40.460
game of all time. If you want to go No Mercy,
1248
01:10:40.500 --> 01:10:46.159
I'll give you No Mercy. I prefer WCW Revenge for
1249
01:10:46.180 --> 01:10:50.100
the N64. I will even give you SmackDown Here Comes
1250
01:10:50.159 --> 01:10:54.899
the Pain. But seriously, anything else, I don't know that
1251
01:10:54.930 --> 01:10:55.659
we can be friends.
1252
01:10:57.010 --> 01:10:59.210
All right. Why don't we go ahead.
1253
01:10:58.909 --> 01:10:59.359
And try it?
1254
01:10:59.369 --> 01:11:04.630
Those are the correct answers. Actually, there's a better correct answer,
1255
01:11:05.149 --> 01:11:09.170
and that would be Virtual Pro Wrestling 2 or my
1256
01:11:09.369 --> 01:11:12.359
real favorite, which nobody ever plays or no one ever
1257
01:11:12.420 --> 01:11:15.840
talks about, which is in the same genre, same era
1258
01:11:17.060 --> 01:11:21.439
as No Mercy and those guys, was New Japan Pro
1259
01:11:21.479 --> 01:11:26.319
Wrestling 4 for the N64, which is amazing. So you
1260
01:11:26.340 --> 01:11:28.199
should play that game. But anyway, we can talk about that.
1261
01:11:28.439 --> 01:11:31.350
Or why don't we switch, Pat, since you don't play
1262
01:11:31.359 --> 01:11:33.710
too many wrestling video games, why don't we play, why
1263
01:11:33.729 --> 01:11:37.170
don't we talk about enhancement talent? Because growing up, wasting
1264
01:11:37.210 --> 01:11:40.369
our time watching wrestling, did you miss the turn? I
1265
01:11:40.409 --> 01:11:43.149
think you missed the turn. The convention, hang on a second.
1266
01:11:44.210 --> 01:11:44.369
Yeah.
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01:11:44.489 --> 01:11:44.789
Okay.
1268
01:11:45.149 --> 01:11:45.550
Sorry.
1269
01:11:45.850 --> 01:11:48.390
Anyway, I have to give directions, too. Geez, I've got
1270
01:11:48.409 --> 01:11:49.289
to do everything today.
1271
01:11:49.989 --> 01:11:50.829
I know.
1272
01:11:52.149 --> 01:11:55.529
So growing up, you know, we would always see squash matches.
1273
01:11:56.569 --> 01:11:56.770
Yes.
1274
01:11:58.229 --> 01:11:58.529
Hang on.
1275
01:11:58.770 --> 01:11:59.439
Stay in this.
1276
01:11:59.449 --> 01:12:00.939
Because that's the American way.
1277
01:12:02.140 --> 01:12:03.220
That is the American way.
1278
01:12:05.000 --> 01:12:07.239
I think guys would show up there pretty much to get,
1279
01:12:07.479 --> 01:12:09.979
you know, the only times you'd see them is when
1280
01:12:10.000 --> 01:12:11.939
they're getting beaten on television. They would not be at
1281
01:12:11.960 --> 01:12:16.659
your arena when you came around. So, yeah, that's a
1282
01:12:16.699 --> 01:12:19.279
good point.
1283
01:12:19.399 --> 01:12:22.520
And also, you'd see the same kind of jobbers, too.
1284
01:12:22.539 --> 01:12:29.510
You'd see the same show. You'd see the same squash guys,
1285
01:12:29.550 --> 01:12:31.369
and after a while you'd laugh at them because you
1286
01:12:31.409 --> 01:12:33.550
knew they were going to get killed. And many of
1287
01:12:33.609 --> 01:12:37.170
them had a certain look that you would, to be
1288
01:12:37.189 --> 01:12:39.630
honest with you, as punk kids, you would mock them.
1289
01:12:39.949 --> 01:12:42.329
Did you have any favorite enhancement guys growing up?
1290
01:12:43.899 --> 01:12:47.100
Oh, let's see. Well, Tony Rico we saw an awful
1291
01:12:47.149 --> 01:12:53.770
lot on the WWF television. Of course, there's the legendary
1292
01:12:53.829 --> 01:12:54.470
Frankie Williams.
1293
01:12:56.050 --> 01:12:57.989
Frankie Williams, the guy who was on Piper's Pit.
1294
01:12:58.750 --> 01:13:00.050
Yes, yes.
1295
01:13:00.630 --> 01:13:00.869
F.D.
1296
01:13:00.930 --> 01:13:03.869
Jones, he would occasionally win, so it would be hard
1297
01:13:03.890 --> 01:13:07.300
to call him a jobber, but saw him an awful lot.
1298
01:13:07.939 --> 01:13:11.149
I'm trying to think of any... Of course, there's the
1299
01:13:11.229 --> 01:13:15.439
legendary Pete Sanchez, who you'd see best known for losing
1300
01:13:15.449 --> 01:13:17.180
to Ric Flair in Madison Square Garden, but he'd be
1301
01:13:17.239 --> 01:13:20.640
on TV and he'd be getting killed most every week.
1302
01:13:21.300 --> 01:13:22.739
I'm trying to think of some other good names.
1303
01:13:23.380 --> 01:13:25.600
Oh, well, you know, I always thought that the guys
1304
01:13:25.619 --> 01:13:33.539
on the PBS were the more, shall we say, not
1305
01:13:33.640 --> 01:13:34.760
camera-ready jobbers.
1306
01:13:35.909 --> 01:13:39.569
That's true. They had a certain knack, I would say,
1307
01:13:39.850 --> 01:13:45.029
for finding guys who looked like they might be wrestlers,
1308
01:13:45.109 --> 01:13:49.310
but it's not like you're going to follow their career.
1309
01:13:50.840 --> 01:13:51.000
Right.
1310
01:13:51.319 --> 01:13:53.779
A lot of them could work. I mean, for example,
1311
01:13:53.800 --> 01:13:57.119
the Mulkey brothers, they could work. Pat Rose could work.
1312
01:13:57.239 --> 01:14:02.859
Randy Barber could work. But it was a very cosmetic business.
1313
01:14:02.880 --> 01:14:08.319
It was the steroid era. And, you know, if you
1314
01:14:08.359 --> 01:14:11.130
didn't have the steroid body, then the fans didn't see
1315
01:14:11.170 --> 01:14:14.470
you as a winner, and you were kind of relegated
1316
01:14:14.510 --> 01:14:16.750
to that role of being an enhancement talent.
1317
01:14:18.470 --> 01:14:18.729
Okay.
1318
01:14:19.270 --> 01:14:20.569
Would you like to take some calls, Jim?
1319
01:14:21.640 --> 01:14:23.680
We can do whatever you want. Let's see what Kylan's
1320
01:14:23.720 --> 01:14:25.699
doing this morning. Okay.
1321
01:14:25.739 --> 01:14:27.939
Well, yeah, let's go to the 862 area code and
1322
01:14:27.979 --> 01:14:29.180
see if it happens to be Kylan.
1323
01:14:31.619 --> 01:14:32.359
Good morning, Kylan.
1324
01:14:33.729 --> 01:14:37.569
Good morning, Pat and Jim. I hope you guys are
1325
01:14:37.590 --> 01:14:40.930
having an excellent day.
1326
01:14:41.390 --> 01:14:43.510
It is, in fact, Kylan, what were the odds? Yes,
1327
01:14:43.569 --> 01:14:45.550
we are having a great day. Jim is going to
1328
01:14:45.569 --> 01:14:47.229
play a video game, so he might be doing slightly
1329
01:14:47.250 --> 01:14:47.850
better than I am.
1330
01:14:49.770 --> 01:14:51.649
I suppose he is.
1331
01:14:53.600 --> 01:14:53.979
Okay.
1332
01:14:55.159 --> 01:14:56.220
What do you have for us, Kylan?
1333
01:14:57.300 --> 01:14:57.460
Um.
1334
01:14:59.640 --> 01:15:00.640
Well....
1335
01:15:04.420 --> 01:15:11.470
My first question before I go back on hold for
1336
01:15:11.489 --> 01:15:20.159
the Mokies, if you do not mind, would be what
1337
01:15:20.279 --> 01:15:28.119
do you think took so long for higher-ups at WWE
1338
01:15:28.640 --> 01:15:40.460
to remember that enhancement talent worked to a great degree
1339
01:15:41.880 --> 01:15:45.920
in previous eras of business.
1340
01:15:47.100 --> 01:15:48.800
That is a great question, Colin. I'm going to go
1341
01:15:48.819 --> 01:15:51.180
ahead and put you back on hold while we answer it.
1342
01:15:51.979 --> 01:15:55.140
Colin has a good point, Jim. It took a while
1343
01:15:55.220 --> 01:15:58.380
for WWE to get out of the Monday Night Wars mentality.
1344
01:15:58.819 --> 01:16:02.739
and to realize that, hey, you know, we could actually
1345
01:16:02.779 --> 01:16:05.659
show some of our undercard guys getting wins every so
1346
01:16:05.770 --> 01:16:07.310
often and build them up a little bit.
1347
01:16:09.229 --> 01:16:12.649
Well, I think it's a couple of things. I think, one,
1348
01:16:12.670 --> 01:16:17.529
I think that the incident in 1990 with Chuck Austin,
1349
01:16:17.550 --> 01:16:24.210
the enhancement guy who got his, you know, who was injured,
1350
01:16:26.569 --> 01:16:31.520
because of the rocker dropper, the famouser, given by Marty Jannetty,
1351
01:16:31.680 --> 01:16:35.420
and Chuck Austin is still paralyzed to this day. I
1352
01:16:35.460 --> 01:16:39.619
think that had an effect on things. I think the
1353
01:16:39.680 --> 01:16:44.869
Monday Night Wars obviously had an even bigger effect. As
1354
01:16:45.310 --> 01:16:49.130
far as now, I think they are finally getting out
1355
01:16:49.149 --> 01:16:52.369
of that mentality, and I think Triple H, being an
1356
01:16:52.949 --> 01:16:57.189
80s wrestling aficionado, you see a lot of eighties um.
1357
01:16:59.100 --> 01:17:02.500
Things on on nxt a lot of traits for eighties
1358
01:17:02.579 --> 01:17:06.479
wrestling including enhancement matches and so now we're seeing some
1359
01:17:06.500 --> 01:17:09.020
of those traits come back and i think a lot
1360
01:17:09.060 --> 01:17:11.659
of it has to do with with full h's uh.
1361
01:17:12.140 --> 01:17:17.390
influence yeah i think so i think it's um... i
1362
01:17:17.409 --> 01:17:19.130
mean i i think i think it's a good thing
1363
01:17:19.170 --> 01:17:21.409
i mean i think terrible what happened to chuck austin
1364
01:17:21.430 --> 01:17:24.069
and he's definitely not the only enhancement talent has been
1365
01:17:24.149 --> 01:17:27.079
injured over the years But you see enough guys get
1366
01:17:27.159 --> 01:17:32.359
injured who are regular, full-roster, full-time guys to know that
1367
01:17:32.659 --> 01:17:37.159
it can happen. Sometimes it's because of inexperience by the
1368
01:17:37.220 --> 01:17:41.239
enhancement guy, but this isn't ballet, as Jim Ross would say.
1369
01:17:43.319 --> 01:17:48.960
That's exactly right. And I disagree. We've had this conversation
1370
01:17:48.979 --> 01:17:51.680
before with Wade Keller that he thinks you should go
1371
01:17:51.739 --> 01:17:54.960
to even more enhancement talent. I don't think there's a
1372
01:17:55.739 --> 01:17:58.170
I don't think there's an appetite for that. I think
1373
01:17:58.229 --> 01:18:02.250
people don't have the attention span to sit through too
1374
01:18:02.310 --> 01:18:12.029
many enhancement matches. But I think with using them judiciously,
1375
01:18:12.060 --> 01:18:16.779
I think it's been very effective.
1376
01:18:17.000 --> 01:18:21.289
I understand that. i did a pop-up rape you know uh...
1377
01:18:21.279 --> 01:18:24.619
pro-wrestling today is so very t v driven and uh...
1378
01:18:24.579 --> 01:18:27.840
then financial it's very ratings driven so that you could
1379
01:18:27.859 --> 01:18:29.939
they're gonna be careful about doing too much of the
1380
01:18:30.060 --> 01:18:33.100
enhancement guys but i think uh... i think mixed in
1381
01:18:33.180 --> 01:18:35.510
with uh... with the other with the other stuff that
1382
01:18:35.520 --> 01:18:37.569
they do specifically we are talking about doing a three-hour
1383
01:18:37.609 --> 01:18:39.770
show every week you're gonna need to you know you're
1384
01:18:39.789 --> 01:18:42.069
gonna need to not use up uh... you're gonna need
1385
01:18:42.090 --> 01:18:43.970
to not use up some of your potential money matches
1386
01:18:45.329 --> 01:18:45.970
But I think it's.
1387
01:18:45.890 --> 01:18:49.439
Good for someone who's relatively new, like Nia Jax or...
1388
01:18:49.460 --> 01:18:53.640
Braun Strowman to kind of let the audience understand what
1389
01:18:53.659 --> 01:18:57.180
their big moves are, what they're about, and kind of,
1390
01:18:57.520 --> 01:18:59.829
you know, there's still a newness to that talent where
1391
01:19:00.470 --> 01:19:05.609
the novelty will keep you watching. But I don't know that, say,
1392
01:19:06.600 --> 01:19:10.420
you know, Bo Dallas versus, uh, an enhancement talent or
1393
01:19:11.140 --> 01:19:14.119
something of that nature without a storyline. I don't think
1394
01:19:14.159 --> 01:19:16.489
that's going to be, be viable.
1395
01:19:18.050 --> 01:19:19.869
Well, yeah, I mean, it's, it's something that you can
1396
01:19:19.909 --> 01:19:22.409
do every so often, which, you know, uh, I mean,
1397
01:19:22.489 --> 01:19:24.409
if it Bo Dallas is out there every week, you know,
1398
01:19:24.430 --> 01:19:26.350
against the weaker dudes, that's not going to work, but
1399
01:19:27.250 --> 01:19:29.569
every so often you put the, a, you know, a
1400
01:19:29.689 --> 01:19:33.369
pushed wrestler in against a nobody. And, uh, And, you know,
1401
01:19:33.770 --> 01:19:37.510
it might work to get the wrestler who you want over, over.
1402
01:19:38.170 --> 01:19:40.470
Or you might get a storyline like the one that
1403
01:19:40.510 --> 01:19:42.210
was more or less created with James Ellsworth.
1404
01:19:44.329 --> 01:19:49.899
James Ellsworth is very much going back to the Mokies.
1405
01:19:50.300 --> 01:19:52.220
Maybe we should take a break here and come back
1406
01:19:52.720 --> 01:19:56.600
and talk about the comparisons that you could make with
1407
01:19:56.880 --> 01:19:59.760
James Ellsworth and Mokie Mania. I wish there was a
1408
01:20:00.319 --> 01:20:04.420
phrase we could use for Ellsworth mania or something. I
1409
01:20:04.439 --> 01:20:06.510
wish there was one, but I'm not aware that there is.
1410
01:20:07.979 --> 01:20:09.550
We'll have to come up with one.
1411
01:20:10.470 --> 01:20:14.649
Yeah, we need an Ellsworth catchphrase, a one-word catchphrase for
1412
01:20:14.670 --> 01:20:18.289
this phenomenon that is James Ellsworth. We can do that
1413
01:20:18.750 --> 01:20:21.449
when we come back here on Saturday Morning Wrestling Fest.
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Good morning.
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Wrestling is back on the air here on PWTorchLivecast.com, and
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And we're back, Jim.
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01:22:16.770 --> 01:22:19.960
How are you doing? I'm doing great. We just pulled
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01:22:20.000 --> 01:22:23.859
up to the show. Hopefully you won't lose me, but.
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01:22:23.800 --> 01:22:24.500
We should be fine.
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01:22:24.520 --> 01:22:27.260
At least I should be fine. I hope I'm fine. Okay.
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01:22:28.479 --> 01:22:28.819
All right.
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01:22:29.100 --> 01:22:31.130
So we were talking about enhancement talent, and we're talking
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01:22:31.149 --> 01:22:34.390
about wrestling video games. We're going to go ahead and
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01:22:34.470 --> 01:22:38.359
take a second call. As we go to the 773
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01:22:38.359 --> 01:22:42.300
area code, this ought to be interesting. 773, please wake
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01:22:42.420 --> 01:22:45.380
up and state.
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01:22:47.100 --> 01:22:49.260
Your name and town. Oh, it's not that time yet.
1451
01:22:49.539 --> 01:22:51.680
Hi, Boris.
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01:22:51.720 --> 01:22:53.739
How you doing, Boris?
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01:22:53.760 --> 01:22:58.020
As far as video games, as far as video games,
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01:22:58.140 --> 01:23:01.659
he was hitting them all. Mines were Fire Pro Wrestling,
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01:23:01.720 --> 01:23:03.500
the Japanese version of Fire Pro Wrestling.
1456
01:23:04.149 --> 01:23:04.779
A classic.
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01:23:04.939 --> 01:23:10.949
Yeah. Yeah, in the Wrestle War for Sega Genesis, even
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01:23:11.010 --> 01:23:13.649
when the video games had rivalries, if you remember, you
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01:23:13.670 --> 01:23:15.949
either was on the Sega team or the Nintendo team.
1460
01:23:16.329 --> 01:23:18.449
And then when Sega was out to pitch, it became
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01:23:18.529 --> 01:23:22.640
PlayStation versus Nintendo, and you had to choose sides, and
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01:23:22.699 --> 01:23:25.560
I stayed on the PlayStation side. And now we have
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01:23:25.619 --> 01:23:29.300
PlayStation versus Xbox, because I was still a Sega fan,
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01:23:29.359 --> 01:23:31.439
but I had to, you know, choose a side, and
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01:23:31.500 --> 01:23:37.539
I'm PlayStation versus the Microsoft, so Xbox. As far as jobbers,
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01:23:38.119 --> 01:23:40.960
if you remember, we had Jumpin' Joey Mags.
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01:23:41.239 --> 01:23:48.039
Jumpin' Joey Mags. He actually got to be on a
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01:23:48.060 --> 01:23:51.739
pay-per-view on the Clash of Champions. May he rest in peace.
1469
01:23:52.500 --> 01:23:55.380
And, yes, and don't forget Iron Mike Sharp.
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01:23:56.260 --> 01:23:56.979
And he had to.
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01:23:56.840 --> 01:23:57.869
Scream what he used to do.
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01:23:57.880 --> 01:23:58.039
Ah!
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01:24:00.609 --> 01:24:01.010
Something.
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01:24:01.409 --> 01:24:06.380
But, you know, that was his key. And then, of course,
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01:24:06.420 --> 01:24:08.560
you know, Barry Horowitz with the hat on the back.
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01:24:09.000 --> 01:24:10.180
And he had the best match.
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01:24:11.300 --> 01:24:16.239
So those were my jobs. Barry Horowitz would wind up
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01:24:16.279 --> 01:24:19.960
doing some, you know, getting some victories in Global and
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01:24:19.979 --> 01:24:23.590
then in WWF. It's very rare, though, Jim, that you
1480
01:24:23.609 --> 01:24:26.069
find an enhancement talent who winds up becoming a full-time,
1481
01:24:26.109 --> 01:24:31.189
you know, You know, there's been a few.
1482
01:24:32.430 --> 01:24:34.409
You know, for example, one that comes to mind, just
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01:24:34.550 --> 01:24:37.640
because something I was watching the other day, Ravishing Rick
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01:24:37.649 --> 01:24:41.460
Rude was an enhancement guy for a very long time
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01:24:43.619 --> 01:24:48.159
for Georgia. You know, if you watch the old 605 shows,
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01:24:48.180 --> 01:24:49.579
you'll see him there. Hello.
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01:24:50.779 --> 01:24:51.520
Hey, everybody.
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01:24:52.359 --> 01:24:56.560
Anyway, you know, Rick Rude, they spelled his name with
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01:24:56.640 --> 01:24:57.140
two O's.
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01:24:58.279 --> 01:24:58.420
And.
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01:24:59.510 --> 01:25:02.279
You know, he was an enhancement guy that overcame it.
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01:25:02.289 --> 01:25:05.890
You know, there have been some that you can see
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01:25:05.930 --> 01:25:09.189
over time. But, yeah, it is hard, particularly once you're
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01:25:09.210 --> 01:25:11.539
seen on national TV. It's very, very hard.
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01:25:12.859 --> 01:25:14.180
Hey, I forget.
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01:25:14.340 --> 01:25:18.239
The longest-running jobber, the Brooklyn Brawler.
1497
01:25:19.779 --> 01:25:21.609
Yes, Steve Lombardi, the Brooklyn Brawler.
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01:25:23.060 --> 01:25:25.899
Loyal company guy, and that's probably why he.
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01:25:25.720 --> 01:25:28.960
Got to stick around so long. Plus, he became.
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01:25:28.680 --> 01:25:30.460
An agent and worked behind the scenes.
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01:25:30.859 --> 01:25:31.319
There you go.
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01:25:31.359 --> 01:25:32.119
Isn't that amazing?
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01:25:32.159 --> 01:25:33.579
It is pretty amazing.
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01:25:41.770 --> 01:25:46.350
Yeah, but back in that era, Jim and I were talking,
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01:25:46.390 --> 01:25:49.489
and we will continue to talk on Wayback Playback about
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01:25:49.590 --> 01:25:53.020
Rocky King, who was another guy who you'd see on
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01:25:53.229 --> 01:25:56.079
TBS every week. George South is a guy who's more
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01:25:56.119 --> 01:25:58.359
or less made a career out of being a famous
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01:25:58.720 --> 01:26:05.079
TV job guy. Probably the best example of somebody who
1510
01:26:05.100 --> 01:26:07.920
started out as a job guy and wound up getting
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01:26:07.960 --> 01:26:09.920
a career out of it was ray trailer the big
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01:26:09.979 --> 01:26:12.640
box mandate they saw him on their it was what
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01:26:12.819 --> 01:26:15.159
it was one of the enhancement guys one week they uh...
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01:26:15.460 --> 01:26:17.619
they pull them aside and said uh... you look like
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01:26:17.659 --> 01:26:19.109
a big guy who can move on that we could
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01:26:19.130 --> 01:26:21.850
do something else with it and uh... another guy who
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01:26:21.949 --> 01:26:24.989
who wound up putting that uh... description uh... mark maro
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01:26:25.029 --> 01:26:27.510
johnny be bad started out of just another guy who
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01:26:27.550 --> 01:26:28.590
got beat up on t t.
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01:26:32.920 --> 01:26:33.020
Uh.
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01:26:33.100 --> 01:26:37.430
yeah dusty dusty was responsible for both of those got um,
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01:26:37.670 --> 01:26:40.449
you know, becoming something more Mark Merrill because he looked
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01:26:40.470 --> 01:26:42.609
like a little Richard. And just as you said, uh,
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01:26:42.909 --> 01:26:45.350
Ray trailer, cause he was a, he was a big guy.
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01:26:45.439 --> 01:26:47.539
He was willing to do whatever they wanted. He went
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01:26:47.579 --> 01:26:52.460
up for Tully Blanchard's, uh, slingshot suplex. And, uh, you know,
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01:26:52.479 --> 01:26:56.100
it was pretty, it was pretty impressive stuff. So, uh, yeah,
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01:26:56.199 --> 01:26:59.199
I mean, it's possible to do, but like you said, it's,
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01:26:59.659 --> 01:27:01.880
it's very difficult. You know, Sam Houston was kind of
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01:27:01.960 --> 01:27:05.800
a enhancement guy that, that raised, to a certain level,
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01:27:05.840 --> 01:27:08.640
but not a, you know, not a extremely high level.
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01:27:08.680 --> 01:27:08.899
So.
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01:27:09.779 --> 01:27:10.220
I liked it.
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01:27:10.260 --> 01:27:10.699
Him too.
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01:27:11.920 --> 01:27:14.659
Speaking of that, you think, I mean, we didn't have,
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01:27:14.779 --> 01:27:16.699
you know, social media and the way things are now,
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01:27:17.399 --> 01:27:20.319
I wish we could sneak in a real credible guy,
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01:27:20.859 --> 01:27:23.880
but he's, you know, you're thinking he's a enhancement guy,
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01:27:23.899 --> 01:27:26.880
but he's really somebody you're going to get over, you know, and,
1540
01:27:27.020 --> 01:27:29.760
you know, pretty much get a home, like a Braun Strowman,
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01:27:29.779 --> 01:27:31.649
you know what I'm saying? Thinking that was seven days.
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01:27:32.109 --> 01:27:34.670
The way they push him, they push him like a jobber,
1543
01:27:34.810 --> 01:27:37.989
and I wish that we'd get that 1-2-3 moment against
1544
01:27:38.029 --> 01:27:39.760
Braun Strowman, but we're not going to get that. You
1545
01:27:39.770 --> 01:27:43.220
know what I'm saying? Just thinking about how jobbers getting over,
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01:27:43.319 --> 01:27:45.479
you know, getting over the crowd. You see the crowd
1547
01:27:45.520 --> 01:27:49.119
right now getting over with these current jobbers, but... There's
1548
01:27:49.140 --> 01:27:51.859
no way they're going to get pushed like a regular wrestler.
1549
01:27:51.939 --> 01:27:54.680
Well, to be honest, Goldberg kind of got over that way.
1550
01:27:55.189 --> 01:27:59.149
Yeah, that's what I was thinking of. I mean, that's
1551
01:27:59.170 --> 01:28:02.229
the exact scenario for Goldberg. He comes out there, he's
1552
01:28:02.930 --> 01:28:06.130
just a guy wearing black trunks, and people figure, oh, well,
1553
01:28:06.210 --> 01:28:09.369
he's going to kill him. And that's not what happened,
1554
01:28:09.390 --> 01:28:13.350
to say the least. They were obviously setting something up.
1555
01:28:13.399 --> 01:28:15.260
He was off to the... he was off the ladies,
1556
01:28:15.300 --> 01:28:17.380
but I mean, the monkeys who we're going to hopefully
1557
01:28:17.399 --> 01:28:21.619
talk to, uh, if everything works out, um, you know,
1558
01:28:21.699 --> 01:28:24.979
they were guys who with, with the bleach blonde white
1559
01:28:25.020 --> 01:28:29.229
hair and, you know, not the best bodies in the world. And,
1560
01:28:29.649 --> 01:28:31.989
you know, for example, you know, they would face the
1561
01:28:32.050 --> 01:28:37.319
road warriors and they would just get just, just brutalized.
1562
01:28:38.079 --> 01:28:39.140
Yeah.
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01:28:39.600 --> 01:28:42.250
And, and, and, you know, they became cult favorites and,
1564
01:28:42.260 --> 01:28:44.800
you know, each, each week they would just get killed.
1565
01:28:44.859 --> 01:28:47.039
And I remember my friends would just laugh and laugh
1566
01:28:47.079 --> 01:28:50.439
and laugh. And probably everybody's friends who watched that show would,
1567
01:28:50.850 --> 01:28:52.949
would laugh at the monkeys. Cause we were, we were
1568
01:28:52.970 --> 01:28:56.069
punk kids. You know, then when they, they finally got
1569
01:28:56.109 --> 01:29:00.539
that one victory and, They got that one victory on television.
1570
01:29:01.699 --> 01:29:05.560
You know, it blew everybody's mind as far as, you know,
1571
01:29:05.600 --> 01:29:09.539
they literally had Mokey Mania. It didn't get a huge
1572
01:29:09.600 --> 01:29:12.319
amount of play on television, but there were signs and
1573
01:29:12.359 --> 01:29:15.590
things that showed up at the shows that said, you know,
1574
01:29:15.649 --> 01:29:19.409
Mokey Mania. And it was very much like some of
1575
01:29:19.430 --> 01:29:22.159
the responses and some of the things we've seen. with
1576
01:29:22.239 --> 01:29:24.659
James Ellsworth. He's such a, you know, he's got such
1577
01:29:24.680 --> 01:29:28.159
a unique look, unlike anybody in the, in the WWE.
1578
01:29:28.189 --> 01:29:31.829
He's gotten some, some fluky wins just like the Mokies did.
1579
01:29:32.250 --> 01:29:35.149
And he's a cult favorite now, just, just like the Mokies. So,
1580
01:29:35.149 --> 01:29:39.609
I mean, you can draw a line between Mokie mania and, uh,
1581
01:29:39.689 --> 01:29:42.289
you know, whatever the Ellsworth phenomenon is.
1582
01:29:43.949 --> 01:29:47.340
Yeah. Um, and for people who just aren't familiar with this, um,
1583
01:29:48.100 --> 01:29:52.289
The Mulkeys got a fluke victory in a non-title match
1584
01:29:52.310 --> 01:29:56.010
against the Midnight Express, and with that got their way
1585
01:29:56.069 --> 01:30:00.090
into the Crockett Cup, which was the Dusty Classic before.
1586
01:30:00.189 --> 01:30:02.989
I mean, it was the Dusty Classic, the Dusty Book
1587
01:30:03.060 --> 01:30:07.239
before the Dusty Classic. And that was a big moment because,
1588
01:30:07.279 --> 01:30:11.380
you know, I mean, once somebody's on TV getting killed
1589
01:30:11.460 --> 01:30:13.920
every week, you don't expect a lot from Randy and
1590
01:30:13.939 --> 01:30:20.380
Bill Mulkey. Another good example was the WWF did this, 1993,
1591
01:30:20.380 --> 01:30:23.199
the 1-2-3 kid. He was a guy on TV who
1592
01:30:23.239 --> 01:30:25.470
got killed one week, then he got killed the next week,
1593
01:30:25.489 --> 01:30:27.270
and then they had him upset Razor amount.
1594
01:30:30.130 --> 01:30:33.689
And it's still to this day one of the most
1595
01:30:34.329 --> 01:30:38.500
replayed moments on Raw and probably the most replayed moment
1596
01:30:38.680 --> 01:30:42.000
of the early Raws of the Manhattan Center era.
1597
01:30:43.020 --> 01:30:44.180
Yeah, exactly.
1598
01:30:44.600 --> 01:30:45.300
And that's why I.
1599
01:30:45.199 --> 01:30:48.199
Thought about Sami Zayn because I feel he's, you know,
1600
01:30:48.340 --> 01:30:51.819
he's right now, no one's thinking he's going to win. Man,
1601
01:30:52.000 --> 01:30:55.399
wouldn't that be nice if he'd get the 1-2-3 kid
1602
01:30:55.439 --> 01:30:59.560
moment like I was saying? And my question is, when
1603
01:31:00.119 --> 01:31:05.250
should AJ destroy and move forward? When should they pull
1604
01:31:05.270 --> 01:31:06.609
the trigger on AJ destroying him?
1605
01:31:08.810 --> 01:31:15.520
Well, I mean, they kind of did. Yeah, AJ's been
1606
01:31:15.560 --> 01:31:19.119
destroying him. When are you going to get the clean win?
1607
01:31:20.100 --> 01:31:22.119
I don't, I mean, I think next week you have
1608
01:31:22.140 --> 01:31:25.010
him facing, Styles facing Ambrose. I think it might be
1609
01:31:25.050 --> 01:31:32.510
a couple weeks before they go back to that. Laura,
1610
01:31:32.529 --> 01:31:32.909
are you there?
1611
01:31:34.270 --> 01:31:34.789
Yes, I am here.
1612
01:31:35.590 --> 01:31:40.229
I figured, you know, I didn't want him to be
1613
01:31:40.310 --> 01:31:43.289
in this from the get-go, but I just wish they
1614
01:31:43.590 --> 01:31:49.270
didn't take it as far. SmackDown took a hit for this.
1615
01:31:49.630 --> 01:31:51.600
Do you believe that SmackDown took a hit in the
1616
01:31:51.680 --> 01:31:54.460
audience over AJ wrestling this guy?
1617
01:31:56.140 --> 01:32:00.039
I mean, there might have been other factors, too, like
1618
01:32:00.180 --> 01:32:01.579
the whole baseball playoff thing.
1619
01:32:01.600 --> 01:32:02.239
But, yeah, I mean.
1620
01:32:02.869 --> 01:32:05.949
You know, if you see something like that and you think, well,
1621
01:32:06.029 --> 01:32:08.109
this isn't going to be anything, then you might be
1622
01:32:08.149 --> 01:32:10.729
persuaded to turn it off. But if you're enjoying it,
1623
01:32:10.750 --> 01:32:13.800
I mean, people who are enjoying the idea of James
1624
01:32:13.850 --> 01:32:16.600
Ellsworth getting in there, I mean, they probably watched out
1625
01:32:16.619 --> 01:32:19.159
of curiosity. So it's a judgment call.
1626
01:32:20.800 --> 01:32:21.500
I was surprised.
1627
01:32:21.619 --> 01:32:25.460
Well, I was kind of not surprised that the audience
1628
01:32:25.500 --> 01:32:28.859
was going to walk away. But I think it is
1629
01:32:28.899 --> 01:32:31.369
time for compelling TV to come back and wrestle because,
1630
01:32:31.430 --> 01:32:34.989
you know, all these different shows are really entertaining as
1631
01:32:35.029 --> 01:32:37.250
you'd call it entertainment. You know what I'm saying? We
1632
01:32:37.270 --> 01:32:39.609
had Luke Cage shows and stuff like, you know, what
1633
01:32:39.770 --> 01:32:44.149
Netflix is doing. And eventually I feel in the future,
1634
01:32:44.630 --> 01:32:47.029
you know, the network is going to go toe to
1635
01:32:47.069 --> 01:32:50.909
toe with the Netflix and these other networks. And if
1636
01:32:50.949 --> 01:32:53.739
you don't have your audience built in, like I'm always
1637
01:32:53.800 --> 01:32:56.460
committed to Netflix, you're going to start losing people on
1638
01:32:56.479 --> 01:32:57.010
the network too.
1639
01:32:57.479 --> 01:32:58.000
What do you think?
1640
01:32:59.539 --> 01:32:59.760
Yeah.
1641
01:32:59.800 --> 01:33:01.939
I mean, that's, that's a concern. I think that's one
1642
01:33:01.960 --> 01:33:04.119
of the reasons why, you know, they've gone to such
1643
01:33:04.140 --> 01:33:06.579
a great effort to protect NXT and make it, you know,
1644
01:33:07.079 --> 01:33:10.970
make it different from what you're seeing on broadcast television,
1645
01:33:11.050 --> 01:33:12.270
on cable, on the USA Network.
1646
01:33:15.170 --> 01:33:15.789
Okay, Boris.
1647
01:33:16.029 --> 01:33:22.170
I'm sorry, go ahead. Now, I was going to say,
1648
01:33:22.529 --> 01:33:25.170
when I saw the thing with Ring of Honor and
1649
01:33:25.710 --> 01:33:29.449
TNA going to the network, You know, because I mentioned
1650
01:33:29.489 --> 01:33:32.699
a while back, a long time, about a network with,
1651
01:33:32.779 --> 01:33:36.539
you know, with multiple wrestling shows on it. And did
1652
01:33:36.560 --> 01:33:39.029
you guys even hear the rumor there was supposed to
1653
01:33:39.090 --> 01:33:43.149
be some network of wrestling shows outside of WWE? Did
1654
01:33:43.409 --> 01:33:44.770
you hear any rumor about that?
1655
01:33:45.789 --> 01:33:48.260
There are, I mean, there are people who've tried that.
1656
01:33:48.300 --> 01:33:51.750
I mean, I think the... I think the closest that
1657
01:33:51.869 --> 01:33:55.649
anybody's come right now is WWN Live, and really because
1658
01:33:55.689 --> 01:33:58.359
they deal with multiple promotions, but really they now have
1659
01:33:58.439 --> 01:34:05.199
a partnership with WWE. So I suspect that if WWE
1660
01:34:05.220 --> 01:34:11.439
decides to go in that direction, which they haven't heard
1661
01:34:11.500 --> 01:34:14.039
one way or another on that, that that would be
1662
01:34:14.180 --> 01:34:17.329
the group that they would partner with to get indie
1663
01:34:17.350 --> 01:34:19.770
shows on there. But that's going to be tricky because...
1664
01:34:20.149 --> 01:34:23.729
you know, selling shows on WWM Live is kind of
1665
01:34:24.250 --> 01:34:27.170
the core business of Evolve, and you'd wonder how they
1666
01:34:27.189 --> 01:34:30.829
would make money. Once that's taken away.
1667
01:34:33.789 --> 01:34:36.310
That's going to be awesome once we get a full
1668
01:34:36.829 --> 01:34:41.350
network with multiple promotions on it. I look forward to
1669
01:34:41.369 --> 01:34:42.369
it eventually.
1670
01:34:42.390 --> 01:34:42.970
Okay.
1671
01:34:43.130 --> 01:34:43.600
If we see it.
1672
01:34:43.609 --> 01:34:45.060
I do too, but I don't know.
1673
01:34:47.689 --> 01:34:49.470
I don't know that we'll get to see it, but
1674
01:34:49.550 --> 01:34:50.590
it would be interesting, Boris.
1675
01:34:54.369 --> 01:34:55.590
Thanks, guys. Appreciate it.
1676
01:34:55.829 --> 01:34:58.539
Hey, no problem. Okay, so Boris drops off.
1677
01:34:58.600 --> 01:34:58.840
Thank you.
1678
01:34:58.859 --> 01:34:58.960
515-605-9345.
1679
01:34:58.979 --> 01:35:01.180
Tell you what, Jim, what's going on right now? I'm
1680
01:35:01.220 --> 01:35:04.119
just here at the floor of the show. People are
1681
01:35:04.159 --> 01:35:04.899
just opened up.
1682
01:35:05.039 --> 01:35:05.369
People are....
1683
01:35:13.539 --> 01:35:17.760
They're filtering in. I've seen a few of the popular
1684
01:35:18.359 --> 01:35:21.439
Internet people. The Angry Video Game Nerd is here. Pat
1685
01:35:22.149 --> 01:35:26.329
the NES Punk is here. It's very, very, very exciting.
1686
01:35:26.390 --> 01:35:30.750
I'm telling you, nerd heaven. I see a Ghostbusters video
1687
01:35:30.770 --> 01:35:31.590
game over there.
1688
01:35:31.680 --> 01:35:33.220
There's excitement.
1689
01:35:33.739 --> 01:35:38.899
There's a big line of Nintendo cabinets, including Donkey Kong, Popeye,
1690
01:35:38.939 --> 01:35:42.779
and the original... Mario Brothers, the kind with the turtles
1691
01:35:42.840 --> 01:35:45.460
and the crabs that you flip on the floor. That
1692
01:35:45.600 --> 01:35:48.670
one is there. There's a ton of stuff. There's a
1693
01:35:48.710 --> 01:35:51.829
ton of things to buy. And funny enough, they're playing
1694
01:35:51.890 --> 01:35:56.369
Tom Sawyer, which was Carrie Bonerick's theme song in World Class.
1695
01:35:56.390 --> 01:35:57.710
So there's a retro connection.
1696
01:35:58.750 --> 01:36:00.569
Why don't we do this?
1697
01:36:00.590 --> 01:36:03.960
We've got five after. Why don't we shoot a break
1698
01:36:04.520 --> 01:36:07.460
and see if we can connect with Randy Mulkey and
1699
01:36:07.500 --> 01:36:08.159
see what happens?
1700
01:36:09.390 --> 01:36:11.449
All right, we're going to definitely give that a try.
1701
01:36:11.510 --> 01:36:18.020
This is Saturday Morning Wrestling here on PWTorchLivecast.com. Hopefully we'll
1702
01:36:18.060 --> 01:36:21.100
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1703
01:36:21.119 --> 01:36:21.819
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1704
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1705
01:36:55.289 --> 01:36:58.239
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1706
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1707
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1708
01:37:02.920 --> 01:37:03.420
they thinking?
1709
01:37:04.050 --> 01:37:06.489
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1710
01:37:06.550 --> 01:37:08.970
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1711
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1712
01:37:10.800 --> 01:37:13.520
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1713
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1718
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Okay, we're back. We're back with more.
1719
01:38:10.489 --> 01:38:14.180
I will back with more Saturday Morning Wrestling here on PWTorchLivecast.com.
1720
01:38:15.340 --> 01:38:20.720
The number is 515-605-9345. Jim, Randy, Moki, his phone is
1721
01:38:20.760 --> 01:38:22.890
going straight to voicemail. I suspect he's in the middle
1722
01:38:22.930 --> 01:38:24.050
of some paperwork right now.
1723
01:38:24.890 --> 01:38:29.010
I would imagine so. Well, we had talked to him earlier,
1724
01:38:29.050 --> 01:38:32.159
so we had confirmed it. it. It's too bad, but
1725
01:38:32.220 --> 01:38:33.119
oh well, life goes on.
1726
01:38:34.380 --> 01:38:34.560
Yes.
1727
01:38:35.699 --> 01:38:36.739
So we will.
1728
01:38:36.899 --> 01:38:39.760
But we have each other. We have each other, Pat.
1729
01:38:39.800 --> 01:38:40.800
That's what really matters.
1730
01:38:41.619 --> 01:38:44.430
That's true. And as long as we've got each other... Yeah,
1731
01:38:44.449 --> 01:38:46.909
I'm going to go to a phone call. Let's see
1732
01:38:46.949 --> 01:38:48.409
what craziness we.
1733
01:38:48.329 --> 01:38:48.909
Have out here.
1734
01:38:49.659 --> 01:38:52.609
On the phones as we go to the 704 area code, 704,
1735
01:38:52.590 --> 01:38:55.649
please state your name and town. I'm Saturday morning.
1736
01:38:55.670 --> 01:38:56.210
That's Lee.
1737
01:38:56.229 --> 01:38:57.850
Hey, guys.
1738
01:38:57.869 --> 01:38:58.229
This is Lee.
1739
01:38:58.250 --> 01:38:59.840
This is Brian from Charlotte, North Carolina.
1740
01:38:59.880 --> 01:39:00.350
How you doing?
1741
01:39:00.380 --> 01:39:01.779
How's it going, Brian?
1742
01:39:03.220 --> 01:39:03.939
Doing pretty well.
1743
01:39:04.319 --> 01:39:06.699
Hey, I think the greatest jobber storyline of all time
1744
01:39:06.720 --> 01:39:08.760
was Mikey Wiprek, and I know you guys really haven't
1745
01:39:08.779 --> 01:39:11.270
hit on ECW at all, but I love that storyline.
1746
01:39:12.960 --> 01:39:16.789
Yeah, that was a storyline that Paul Heyman had actually
1747
01:39:16.869 --> 01:39:19.609
talked about doing something like it before he even got
1748
01:39:19.630 --> 01:39:25.770
to ECW. He was booking Windy City Wrestling for a while,
1749
01:39:26.550 --> 01:39:30.729
and he was going to book the Crockett's return to wrestling.
1750
01:39:30.760 --> 01:39:33.020
He even taped a pilot for it. But yeah, he
1751
01:39:33.039 --> 01:39:36.920
had a character he called the Wrestling School Dropout, and
1752
01:39:37.239 --> 01:39:39.720
the character he described to Wade wound up being an
1753
01:39:39.800 --> 01:39:41.359
awful lot like Mikey Wiprek.
1754
01:39:43.199 --> 01:39:45.390
Yeah, I really like that story.
1755
01:39:45.520 --> 01:39:48.170
If the monkeys do come online, will you ask them
1756
01:39:48.210 --> 01:39:50.050
about the buildup to the victory and what the.
1757
01:39:50.010 --> 01:39:53.170
Storyline implications were? I'm just curious about how they.
1758
01:39:53.069 --> 01:39:54.710
Found out they were going over, did they find out
1759
01:39:54.729 --> 01:39:56.090
the night of, and all that good stuff.
1760
01:39:57.529 --> 01:39:59.920
Yes, we absolutely will do that if we get a
1761
01:39:59.920 --> 01:40:01.439
hold of Randy and Bill.
1762
01:40:01.560 --> 01:40:04.359
Okay? Yes, sir. I hope you have a good weekend.
1763
01:40:05.300 --> 01:40:05.739
Thank you.
1764
01:40:05.760 --> 01:40:08.979
You too. Let's see.
1765
01:40:09.020 --> 01:40:11.250
That's a great question. That's a great thing to mention.
1766
01:40:11.390 --> 01:40:11.510
It is.
1767
01:40:13.109 --> 01:40:17.250
About Mikey Wiprek is, you know, every movie you see
1768
01:40:18.649 --> 01:40:23.140
is the underdog story. The underdog people love the underdog story.
1769
01:40:23.159 --> 01:40:26.939
And I think that's one of the appeals of James Ellsworth. Clearly,
1770
01:40:26.979 --> 01:40:30.420
that was one of the appeals of Mikey Wiprek. He
1771
01:40:30.439 --> 01:40:35.079
was a quintessential underdog. And I think that a lot
1772
01:40:35.119 --> 01:40:40.039
of Vince McMahon's personality, because, I don't know, I can't
1773
01:40:40.060 --> 01:40:42.949
think of a better word. He's a bully. Maybe that's
1774
01:40:42.970 --> 01:40:47.329
not the best word, but Vince is not about the underdog.
1775
01:40:47.369 --> 01:40:51.069
He doesn't relate to the underdog. And to be honest,
1776
01:40:51.100 --> 01:40:57.439
you see so few underdog stories in the WWE. Very, very,
1777
01:40:57.579 --> 01:41:04.060
very rare. And pop culture is riddled with the underdog story.
1778
01:41:04.100 --> 01:41:07.970
David and Goliath in the Bible. It goes back forever.
1779
01:41:09.439 --> 01:41:10.939
As they say in Beauty and the Beast, it's a
1780
01:41:10.979 --> 01:41:14.439
tale as old as time. Hold on just a moment, Jim.
1781
01:41:15.039 --> 01:41:16.520
I'm going to take this. Yeah, keep going.
1782
01:41:17.539 --> 01:41:22.390
Yeah, and I think that we don't have a lot
1783
01:41:22.970 --> 01:41:26.949
of underdog stories these days. I think that's why James
1784
01:41:27.050 --> 01:41:32.310
Ellsworth is caught on. And I think that that's one
1785
01:41:32.329 --> 01:41:35.949
of the reasons that the Mokies still endure to this day.
1786
01:41:35.989 --> 01:41:38.750
I mean, when I go to Charlotte... And they have
1787
01:41:38.770 --> 01:41:43.029
the Fan Fest. I mean, the Mokies are part of
1788
01:41:43.069 --> 01:41:45.319
the experience. Everyone remembers the Mokies.
1789
01:41:46.079 --> 01:41:46.500
Hold on.
1790
01:41:46.520 --> 01:41:49.420
We have breaking news, Jim. Let's see. Guess who just
1791
01:41:49.439 --> 01:41:53.119
called back? We're going to hit the hotline here and
1792
01:41:53.399 --> 01:41:57.539
see if we can't pick up Randy Mokie here.
1793
01:41:58.020 --> 01:41:59.500
You're doing a great job, by the way.
1794
01:42:00.439 --> 01:42:00.699
Yeah.
1795
01:42:01.659 --> 01:42:04.100
Okay. Yeah, baby.
1796
01:42:04.140 --> 01:42:06.060
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the show.
1797
01:42:07.180 --> 01:42:07.779
Thank you, sir.
1798
01:42:09.199 --> 01:42:10.960
Hey, how's your knee, Randy?
1799
01:42:10.979 --> 01:42:11.479
Yeah.
1800
01:42:14.260 --> 01:42:14.760
Okay.
1801
01:42:14.779 --> 01:42:15.180
Hey, Randy.
1802
01:42:15.720 --> 01:42:17.000
Yes, sir.
1803
01:42:17.199 --> 01:42:19.319
How's your knee from your surgery? How are you feeling?
1804
01:42:20.039 --> 01:42:22.520
I am just getting in the car from the hospital
1805
01:42:22.659 --> 01:42:24.310
on my way home, believe it or not.
1806
01:42:25.069 --> 01:42:27.949
Look at this. Now, is this knee surgery? Is this
1807
01:42:27.989 --> 01:42:29.310
from your years of wrestling?
1808
01:42:29.329 --> 01:42:29.510
Yes.
1809
01:42:30.109 --> 01:42:31.449
What caused you to need to have knee surgery?
1810
01:42:34.060 --> 01:42:37.260
This is the years of wrestling and everything. This is
1811
01:42:37.300 --> 01:42:41.279
my second knee replacement. I done my left knee five
1812
01:42:41.340 --> 01:42:46.180
months ago, and they done my right knee Thursday. And
1813
01:42:46.720 --> 01:42:50.100
I done had back surgery. I done had three back surgeries,
1814
01:42:50.140 --> 01:42:56.399
neck surgery from C1 to C7, and everything. So it's
1815
01:42:56.420 --> 01:42:58.720
just over the years of the punishment. You know, we
1816
01:42:58.739 --> 01:43:01.180
didn't have the pads around the ring back wounds. We
1817
01:43:01.199 --> 01:43:03.119
was doing it in the 80s. It was all concrete
1818
01:43:03.199 --> 01:43:07.970
floors and wood floors.
1819
01:43:08.100 --> 01:43:14.789
And the rings weren't as springy, perhaps, as they are now.
1820
01:43:15.470 --> 01:43:17.350
Yeah.
1821
01:43:18.810 --> 01:43:19.409
Go ahead, buddy.
1822
01:43:19.430 --> 01:43:21.569
I was going to say, how much do you blame
1823
01:43:21.590 --> 01:43:23.390
the road warriors for your surgeries?
1824
01:43:24.329 --> 01:43:24.609
None.
1825
01:43:24.890 --> 01:43:26.109
I don't blame nobody for none.
1826
01:43:26.130 --> 01:43:27.550
You know, it was.
1827
01:43:29.270 --> 01:43:32.109
It was the art of the trade that I perfected myself,
1828
01:43:32.329 --> 01:43:35.489
you know, taking the bumps on the floors and over
1829
01:43:35.510 --> 01:43:38.729
the top rope and all that. So I can't blame nobody.
1830
01:43:38.789 --> 01:43:41.619
I've done something that I love to do, and I
1831
01:43:41.640 --> 01:43:44.460
put my body through hell, man. I mean, absolutely hell.
1832
01:43:49.170 --> 01:43:49.449
Okay.
1833
01:43:49.470 --> 01:43:51.789
We have a caller right here, Randy, who was asking
1834
01:43:51.829 --> 01:43:55.329
about your victory, you guys' victory over the Midnight Express,
1835
01:43:55.609 --> 01:43:59.949
and basically what that day was like and when they
1836
01:44:00.010 --> 01:44:01.729
told you what you were going to be doing.
1837
01:44:02.930 --> 01:44:06.289
Well, it was in our hometown. And it wasn't really
1838
01:44:06.329 --> 01:44:10.729
a victory over them. It was just our big homecoming
1839
01:44:10.869 --> 01:44:15.380
in our hometown. It was a little wreck-sitter, and it
1840
01:44:15.409 --> 01:44:20.020
was tough. Main event, it was the most, it was
1841
01:44:20.039 --> 01:44:23.640
an amazing thing, man. I mean, it was just for
1842
01:44:23.659 --> 01:44:26.460
them to do what they've done for us over all
1843
01:44:26.500 --> 01:44:29.500
the years that we've done for everybody else. Man, Jim
1844
01:44:29.539 --> 01:44:32.260
Cornette was, it's the one that really pushed us, that
1845
01:44:32.300 --> 01:44:36.020
gave us a big push, that come up with the multi-mania, that,
1846
01:44:36.039 --> 01:44:39.739
you know, that guy that really got it started.
1847
01:44:42.960 --> 01:44:45.100
Well, what about your most famous win? What about your
1848
01:44:45.140 --> 01:44:50.779
win on television over the masked gladiators? Were you feeling
1849
01:44:50.930 --> 01:44:55.649
like an upswing in popularity and the crowd getting behind
1850
01:44:55.710 --> 01:44:59.310
you for how long before your victory over the gladiators?
1851
01:45:00.170 --> 01:45:03.350
Well, it was like that way through the whole years.
1852
01:45:03.609 --> 01:45:07.229
We won in the house matches. We was in the first,
1853
01:45:07.250 --> 01:45:10.829
second house matches. I wrestled in Greenville, South Carolina at
1854
01:45:10.869 --> 01:45:11.989
the Greenville Reform.
1855
01:45:12.579 --> 01:45:13.699
You know, probably.
1856
01:45:15.060 --> 01:45:18.819
Ten times I went, I wrestled nine times. Most times
1857
01:45:18.880 --> 01:45:23.060
I was just standing by. So, I mean, it was just,
1858
01:45:24.229 --> 01:45:27.069
that day was, they sent.
1859
01:45:26.949 --> 01:45:27.569
Us to Florida.
1860
01:45:28.510 --> 01:45:32.050
And we'd been down there for several months. The next
1861
01:45:32.090 --> 01:45:33.789
thing we know, we got a ticket to go to
1862
01:45:33.850 --> 01:45:37.430
Atlanta TV on that Saturday morning. We had no idea.
1863
01:45:38.350 --> 01:45:41.939
When we got there, we still had no idea. until
1864
01:45:42.020 --> 01:45:45.550
Dusty called us to the back and told us what
1865
01:45:45.590 --> 01:45:48.810
was happening. A lot of the other wrestlers didn't know
1866
01:45:48.850 --> 01:45:52.270
what was going on. It was a complete hush-hush deal
1867
01:45:53.289 --> 01:45:58.529
to get us in the tag team tournament. And then
1868
01:45:58.550 --> 01:46:01.470
when it went off, when we went over, you know,
1869
01:46:01.510 --> 01:46:04.609
we was like, oh, Lord, it's just a big surprise,
1870
01:46:04.649 --> 01:46:07.510
you know, what just happened. You know, I thought we
1871
01:46:07.529 --> 01:46:10.420
pulled it off pretty good to kind of, to give
1872
01:46:10.439 --> 01:46:12.420
the idea that we were just as big a surprise
1873
01:46:12.479 --> 01:46:12.960
as they was.
1874
01:46:15.920 --> 01:46:21.039
Well, even your interview right afterwards with Tony Schiavone was classic,
1875
01:46:21.420 --> 01:46:24.079
where Tony was like, you won! And you guys are like,
1876
01:46:24.140 --> 01:46:27.079
we won! Yeah, we won.
1877
01:46:27.220 --> 01:46:28.420
It's unbelievable.
1878
01:46:28.539 --> 01:46:29.739
It's unbelievable.
1879
01:46:30.100 --> 01:46:32.520
Yeah, we've done it, you know, finally. But you've got
1880
01:46:32.539 --> 01:46:36.319
to understand, we took some of the biggest axe whoopings
1881
01:46:37.039 --> 01:46:40.270
at TBS that we ever took. You know, as far
1882
01:46:40.350 --> 01:46:43.350
as being, you know, we got squished some days. We
1883
01:46:43.369 --> 01:46:47.090
got thrown around. I broke cameras where they threw me
1884
01:46:47.170 --> 01:46:51.560
out of the ring. And I'm kind of dry mouth,
1885
01:46:51.569 --> 01:46:53.550
so if y'all can't, if I get stood.
1886
01:46:53.350 --> 01:46:55.020
A little bit, I'm a little bit old, still.
1887
01:46:54.779 --> 01:46:58.979
On pain medicine. But, I mean, I broke cameras like
1888
01:46:59.020 --> 01:47:01.819
crazy over. And Ted Turner used to tell them to
1889
01:47:01.880 --> 01:47:03.979
vacuum cameras up when he was in the ring because,
1890
01:47:04.340 --> 01:47:07.319
you know, they're going to shoot me out. I just
1891
01:47:07.359 --> 01:47:10.069
had this arc, man, that You know, I could take
1892
01:47:10.109 --> 01:47:14.470
a bump at any given time. Any word, you know.
1893
01:47:15.899 --> 01:47:17.539
It was the art of the trade that I'd done.
1894
01:47:23.800 --> 01:47:24.079
All right.
1895
01:47:24.100 --> 01:47:24.520
Let's see.
1896
01:47:24.539 --> 01:47:27.859
Go ahead. You got it, John.
1897
01:47:28.720 --> 01:47:30.920
Well, another thing I want to say. See, I knew
1898
01:47:31.020 --> 01:47:33.119
we weren't going to be superstars. And I knew we
1899
01:47:33.140 --> 01:47:36.920
weren't going to be on top. And because of our size,
1900
01:47:37.020 --> 01:47:40.149
our look, we didn't have the muscles. I went into
1901
01:47:40.170 --> 01:47:47.439
that business to change the bumping system. I believe I've
1902
01:47:47.479 --> 01:47:51.880
done that because nobody ever saw any bumps like we did.
1903
01:47:54.680 --> 01:47:56.439
People would ask to work with you, wouldn't they?
1904
01:47:57.579 --> 01:48:02.600
Yeah. On TBS, if the road worker was there, we
1905
01:48:02.619 --> 01:48:06.100
was going to work the road workers. The Rock and
1906
01:48:06.119 --> 01:48:10.319
Roll Express, the Midnight Express, the Road Warriors, Barbarian, all
1907
01:48:10.420 --> 01:48:12.159
of them would get in a big fuss who was
1908
01:48:12.180 --> 01:48:15.890
going to work us. And the Road Warriors used to
1909
01:48:15.930 --> 01:48:18.430
give us their money, their TV money, which they only
1910
01:48:18.449 --> 01:48:22.340
got $ 50 for TV. They would come and give that
1911
01:48:22.359 --> 01:48:24.199
to us if they worked us.
1912
01:48:27.260 --> 01:48:31.750
Someone wanted to know on Twitter, who was the stiffest opponent?
1913
01:48:31.789 --> 01:48:34.869
Was there anybody who was the roughest to work with
1914
01:48:34.970 --> 01:48:35.569
on TV?
1915
01:48:36.829 --> 01:48:40.970
Well, everybody said it was Ronnie Garvin, but The thing
1916
01:48:41.010 --> 01:48:43.329
about it, man, you've got to be able to protect yourself.
1917
01:48:43.369 --> 01:48:45.350
You've got to be light off your feet, you know,
1918
01:48:46.310 --> 01:48:50.750
or it wouldn't be so still. I studied wrestling just
1919
01:48:50.789 --> 01:48:52.670
like you would football. When you go in there and
1920
01:48:52.729 --> 01:48:56.029
study a football team, what moves they're going to make,
1921
01:48:56.090 --> 01:48:58.130
what plays they're going to do, I've done that the
1922
01:48:58.170 --> 01:49:02.510
same way. I know that exactly what they was going
1923
01:49:02.529 --> 01:49:06.069
to do were to be the place myself where I
1924
01:49:06.090 --> 01:49:09.100
wouldn't get hurt. And a lot of guys didn't do that.
1925
01:49:12.119 --> 01:49:15.090
You still with me?
1926
01:49:17.149 --> 01:49:18.210
Did we lose somebody?
1927
01:49:18.550 --> 01:49:19.489
Yeah, I can hear.
1928
01:49:21.210 --> 01:49:21.329
You.
1929
01:49:21.369 --> 01:49:21.869
Did you lose me?
1930
01:49:21.930 --> 01:49:22.510
Am I still there?
1931
01:49:23.609 --> 01:49:24.229
Now you're back.
1932
01:49:24.250 --> 01:49:24.670
Go ahead.
1933
01:49:25.170 --> 01:49:25.529
Yeah.
1934
01:49:26.369 --> 01:49:32.189
Hey, Randy, have you watched James Ellsworth on the current
1935
01:49:32.489 --> 01:49:34.010
WWE product? Have you seen him?
1936
01:49:34.750 --> 01:49:36.770
Man, I think it's the greatest thing to take a
1937
01:49:36.810 --> 01:49:37.869
young guy like that away.
1938
01:49:39.050 --> 01:49:39.210
And.
1939
01:49:40.479 --> 01:49:42.800
and do what they do with you. I mean, he's,
1940
01:49:42.819 --> 01:49:47.390
he's having the biggest thrill of his life. You know,
1941
01:49:48.229 --> 01:49:48.590
do you.
1942
01:49:48.510 --> 01:49:52.470
See the parallels that, that maybe fans drawing the connection
1943
01:49:52.510 --> 01:49:55.390
between you and your brother and, and James Ellsworth, where
1944
01:49:55.409 --> 01:49:58.909
you have these guys with this unique look and, uh,
1945
01:49:59.130 --> 01:50:01.609
and they're actually, you know, you're, you get to play the,
1946
01:50:01.750 --> 01:50:04.069
the underdog. Do you, do you see that comparison?
1947
01:50:04.770 --> 01:50:05.750
Oh yes. Oh yes.
1948
01:50:05.850 --> 01:50:09.039
I mean, I, you know, I'm tickled for it. I mean, that's, uh,
1949
01:50:10.930 --> 01:50:12.609
That's something that, like he said, he's going to be
1950
01:50:12.630 --> 01:50:15.430
able to tell his grandkids and all that he got
1951
01:50:15.449 --> 01:50:20.119
to do main event for the world championship title against
1952
01:50:20.199 --> 01:50:24.640
AJ Styles. You know, how many people that's underdogs like
1953
01:50:24.680 --> 01:50:27.439
that way got put in a main event on TV
1954
01:50:28.500 --> 01:50:30.619
and get to pull off what he got to pull
1955
01:50:30.699 --> 01:50:32.699
off and get two victories over him?
1956
01:50:36.170 --> 01:50:36.470
Nobody.
1957
01:50:36.930 --> 01:50:39.920
Were you after you guys went on tv and you
1958
01:50:39.960 --> 01:50:42.000
went to the crockett cup and everything and they they
1959
01:50:42.039 --> 01:50:45.279
talked about mokey mania on television like you mentioned it
1960
01:50:45.300 --> 01:50:47.819
seemed like right after the crockett cup you guys kind
1961
01:50:47.859 --> 01:50:50.800
of went back to your your similar status and your
1962
01:50:50.859 --> 01:50:54.439
your similar routine were you were you disappointed because i
1963
01:50:54.460 --> 01:50:56.590
mean it really feels like even to this day fans
1964
01:50:56.600 --> 01:50:59.029
still talk about it i mean you guys had.
1965
01:50:58.869 --> 01:51:03.850
Something well no i'll tell you why because uh You know,
1966
01:51:04.029 --> 01:51:07.250
our biggest squish jobs was over at Atlanta TV, and
1967
01:51:07.270 --> 01:51:10.270
they put us over on Atlanta TV. And we never
1968
01:51:10.340 --> 01:51:14.119
went back to Atlanta TV after we went over. And
1969
01:51:15.859 --> 01:51:18.979
it didn't matter to me, you know, because I love
1970
01:51:19.000 --> 01:51:24.119
this business. I live, I breathe, I drink, I eat,
1971
01:51:24.699 --> 01:51:28.960
and I love this business so much that, you know,
1972
01:51:29.000 --> 01:51:30.680
it didn't matter to me. I was a part of it.
1973
01:51:33.819 --> 01:51:35.939
The thing about it is a lot of these guys
1974
01:51:35.979 --> 01:51:38.220
let it go through their head. They let their head
1975
01:51:38.239 --> 01:51:42.720
swell up. And once you ever get it in your
1976
01:51:42.739 --> 01:51:46.399
heart and you love the business, it don't matter what
1977
01:51:46.439 --> 01:51:48.689
you do with it as long as you are part
1978
01:51:48.699 --> 01:51:50.829
of that show. And you go out there and you
1979
01:51:50.850 --> 01:51:56.109
give 150% and you entertain these people and you make
1980
01:51:56.149 --> 01:52:00.529
these people believe that absolutely shallowed their mind that they
1981
01:52:00.630 --> 01:52:06.000
absolutely killed you, beat you to death. And you give
1982
01:52:06.020 --> 01:52:11.520
them the satisfaction that, damn, man, that was badass. You know,
1983
01:52:13.159 --> 01:52:14.159
that's the biggest thrill.
1984
01:52:17.520 --> 01:52:19.479
You know that last segment you're just listening to and
1985
01:52:19.520 --> 01:52:21.539
the next one that you're waiting to listen to? Those
1986
01:52:21.600 --> 01:52:24.079
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1987
01:52:24.100 --> 01:52:28.279
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Options exist within the Apple Podcast app using your Apple account,
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1992
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1998
01:53:03.000 --> 01:53:05.260
So after you guys got the win, I mean, where
1999
01:53:05.279 --> 01:53:06.090
did you work?
2000
01:53:07.529 --> 01:53:12.989
We went back to Florida, and then they brought us
2001
01:53:13.050 --> 01:53:15.310
back up here just for a little bit, then Ted
2002
01:53:15.329 --> 01:53:19.840
Turner took over. And then we kind of got washed
2003
01:53:19.979 --> 01:53:23.319
out to the side then. It was pretty well.
2004
01:53:23.199 --> 01:53:23.920
Over with by 91.
2005
01:53:23.920 --> 01:53:24.359
Okay.
2006
01:53:29.199 --> 01:53:34.850
You know, but we still, I mean— I mean, you
2007
01:53:34.890 --> 01:53:39.470
got to understand this business is a lot of backstabbing, cutthroat,
2008
01:53:39.810 --> 01:53:43.699
you know, uh, I don't care what anybody says. This
2009
01:53:43.800 --> 01:53:46.199
is the most jealousy sport.
2010
01:53:46.279 --> 01:53:46.720
They are.
2011
01:53:46.779 --> 01:53:51.000
Somebody is always jealous of the other person. Well, me
2012
01:53:51.060 --> 01:53:53.739
and my brother would, you know, we will find what
2013
01:53:53.800 --> 01:53:57.300
we do it. Uh, it was always our dream. Uh,
2014
01:53:59.229 --> 01:54:01.819
with the high town we lived in, man, we put
2015
01:54:01.880 --> 01:54:05.539
ratchet shows on in our backyard. Uh, we've done a
2016
01:54:05.560 --> 01:54:10.239
lot of independence around here and we never lost contact
2017
01:54:10.279 --> 01:54:13.439
where we come from. You know, we had guys like
2018
01:54:13.569 --> 01:54:19.729
Max miles, which Dale Robinson, uh, Steve Madeline, Bobby Hobrooks, uh,
2019
01:54:20.409 --> 01:54:22.550
and all of them that we went to Cleo Penley.
2020
01:54:23.069 --> 01:54:28.939
I mean, we went in, uh, upstate South Carolina here, Westminster, Walla, uh,
2021
01:54:29.409 --> 01:54:33.949
To call Georgie, I mean, we went everywhere to make
2022
01:54:33.949 --> 01:54:38.850
$ 5 to wrestle and put on a show. And I
2023
01:54:38.869 --> 01:54:42.630
had people come up and tell me that, we'll see
2024
01:54:42.670 --> 01:54:47.670
you on TV one day. Well, I went to Georgia
2025
01:54:47.689 --> 01:54:51.880
Championship Wrestling when I was 16. Rip Hart was the bookrover.
2026
01:54:52.899 --> 01:54:54.560
I went three weeks in a row, and they found
2027
01:54:54.640 --> 01:54:58.380
out my age. And they called my parents and told
2028
01:54:58.399 --> 01:54:58.699
them that.
2029
01:54:59.899 --> 01:55:00.800
You okay, baby?
2030
01:55:01.840 --> 01:55:02.319
You okay?
2031
01:55:02.819 --> 01:55:03.279
Yeah, I'm great.
2032
01:55:03.340 --> 01:55:05.439
Yeah, go ahead.
2033
01:55:05.800 --> 01:55:08.399
Rip Hawk told my parents, one, make me a start in,
2034
01:55:09.300 --> 01:55:12.479
that I had potentials. And my parents then told me,
2035
01:55:12.579 --> 01:55:15.850
as soon as I finished school, then I'd go back. Well,
2036
01:55:15.890 --> 01:55:20.390
I turned 18, and, well, the Crockett's done moved in
2037
01:55:20.449 --> 01:55:24.869
over there, took it from WWE, which was WWF that
2038
01:55:24.909 --> 01:55:28.470
was at PBS then. And I called, got a hold
2039
01:55:28.510 --> 01:55:32.739
of Mike Jackson, And Mike Jackson put us on TV
2040
01:55:32.840 --> 01:55:36.829
over there. And the third week that we was over there,
2041
01:55:36.890 --> 01:55:40.050
they started booking us on the Carolina TVs. And then
2042
01:55:40.090 --> 01:55:43.069
it just went from there, from the Carolina TVs to
2043
01:55:43.090 --> 01:55:47.029
the house shows. We was working, started out working two
2044
01:55:47.069 --> 01:55:50.340
nights a week. And then it started working four, five,
2045
01:55:50.439 --> 01:55:53.979
six nights a week. So, I mean, we was living
2046
01:55:54.000 --> 01:55:57.359
the dream. We was actually getting paid for doing something
2047
01:55:57.399 --> 01:55:57.779
that we loved.
2048
01:56:00.149 --> 01:56:02.430
Why did it take so long, Randy, for them to
2049
01:56:02.750 --> 01:56:04.909
use you and Bill as a tag team on television?
2050
01:56:06.069 --> 01:56:07.909
Well, we went in as a tag team to start
2051
01:56:07.949 --> 01:56:12.210
off with. We was tag team.
2052
01:56:12.229 --> 01:56:12.909
Okay.
2053
01:56:13.479 --> 01:56:15.180
I'm just going through a lot of stuff on the network,
2054
01:56:15.220 --> 01:56:17.300
and it seemed like you guys would be teaming with
2055
01:56:17.340 --> 01:56:18.079
other people.
2056
01:56:18.600 --> 01:56:22.100
Well, they did start off with, when we first got there,
2057
01:56:22.539 --> 01:56:26.699
we did a couple singles, and then we started doing the.
2058
01:56:28.970 --> 01:56:33.029
The tag team stuff and everything. You know, some weeks,
2059
01:56:33.770 --> 01:56:36.170
I mean, they would use us as a tag team
2060
01:56:36.250 --> 01:56:39.710
on one show, and then on the two-hour show, then
2061
01:56:39.729 --> 01:56:44.079
the one-hour show, they would use us as singles. And
2062
01:56:44.119 --> 01:56:49.319
then when we started the Carolina TV, we started, you know,
2063
01:56:49.359 --> 01:56:51.159
getting a lot of the tag team and all. That's
2064
01:56:51.220 --> 01:56:55.159
when Cornette started pushing about Lucky Mania and all. Then
2065
01:56:55.180 --> 01:57:00.569
they started using a pretty rigorous tag team. Wow. Now that,
2066
01:57:01.069 --> 01:57:02.989
the reason they didn't start off with it, I have
2067
01:57:03.050 --> 01:57:04.329
no idea on that there, buddy.
2068
01:57:05.630 --> 01:57:05.850
Okay.
2069
01:57:07.109 --> 01:57:11.630
Let's see. Now, did you have, you and Bill, did
2070
01:57:11.649 --> 01:57:13.579
you have other brothers who were involved in it?
2071
01:57:14.439 --> 01:57:14.979
No, sir.
2072
01:57:15.939 --> 01:57:19.460
Okay. We had two more brothers, but I got two
2073
01:57:19.479 --> 01:57:22.119
more younger. Bill is the oldest. He's four years older
2074
01:57:22.140 --> 01:57:24.979
than I am. And I got another brother under me,
2075
01:57:25.220 --> 01:57:27.920
and I got another brother that's under him. That's four
2076
01:57:27.960 --> 01:57:32.680
of us. But the other two didn't do it. Now,
2077
01:57:33.020 --> 01:57:35.390
my brother and brother and me lived in Atlanta, which
2078
01:57:35.430 --> 01:57:37.189
he would pick us up in Atlanta when we flew
2079
01:57:37.289 --> 01:57:39.930
in over and carry us to the TV station and
2080
01:57:39.949 --> 01:57:42.609
then carry us back to the airport. But as far
2081
01:57:42.810 --> 01:57:46.489
as anybody else doing it, they didn't do it. They just,
2082
01:57:46.510 --> 01:57:50.180
you know, they just watched us.
2083
01:57:51.859 --> 01:57:53.880
Who was the bigger fan, you or Bill?
2084
01:57:53.899 --> 01:57:58.949
Hmm. That's hard to say, baby. I think we both
2085
01:57:58.989 --> 01:58:01.439
were big fans. I'm still a big fan.
2086
01:58:01.449 --> 01:58:02.020
I'm a Mark.
2087
01:58:02.680 --> 01:58:03.460
Man, I love it.
2088
01:58:04.399 --> 01:58:07.909
I mean, I am a damn Mark, you know, because
2089
01:58:08.029 --> 01:58:09.970
I know business like the back of my hand.
2090
01:58:10.069 --> 01:58:10.670
But I'm a Mark.
2091
01:58:15.909 --> 01:58:18.729
Did we ask you who trained you guys?
2092
01:58:20.039 --> 01:58:22.420
A guy named Horace Strickland and me and my brother.
2093
01:58:25.359 --> 01:58:27.590
So it's like the Hardy. Listen, we had a.
2094
01:58:32.270 --> 01:58:34.899
We had a ring that's up at the Adamsville County
2095
01:58:34.939 --> 01:58:37.619
Fire Ground that we would go set up on Sundays
2096
01:58:38.579 --> 01:58:41.079
and just get in and play around. But the guy
2097
01:58:41.119 --> 01:58:43.899
named Horace Strickland, he was one of the original Infernos.
2098
01:58:45.600 --> 01:58:45.859
Okay.
2099
01:58:46.180 --> 01:58:54.319
And everything. That's how we... We got up there with
2100
01:58:54.340 --> 01:58:57.100
a lot of his guys. Hell, you're talking about 12,
2101
01:58:57.100 --> 01:58:59.560
13 years old. I had my first wrestling match. I
2102
01:58:59.600 --> 01:59:03.819
was a red demon against my brother Bill in Seneca,
2103
01:59:03.840 --> 01:59:08.340
South Carolina. He went with Wild Bill Bucky, and then
2104
01:59:08.420 --> 01:59:14.020
I was the red demon and everything. So that's how
2105
01:59:14.079 --> 01:59:17.119
we started wrestling each other. And my first match was
2106
01:59:17.119 --> 01:59:19.649
12 years old. Listen, my dad used to try to
2107
01:59:19.689 --> 01:59:23.100
put me on restriction during the week. and tell me
2108
01:59:23.159 --> 01:59:26.119
that I can't go and wrestle because he knows I
2109
01:59:26.159 --> 01:59:29.619
love the business. I mean, beat my ass. Tell me
2110
01:59:29.640 --> 01:59:34.229
I wasn't going nowhere and couldn't go wrestle, and I go.
2111
01:59:34.270 --> 01:59:36.750
When it comes Friday night, Saturday night, I grab my
2112
01:59:36.789 --> 01:59:40.470
wrestle bag, pack off. I take the ass with me
2113
01:59:40.489 --> 01:59:42.329
when I get home because I was going to go wrestle.
2114
01:59:43.350 --> 01:59:44.939
Right.
2115
01:59:45.520 --> 01:59:46.739
I mean, that's just the way it was.
2116
01:59:49.260 --> 01:59:49.720
Completely.
2117
01:59:51.039 --> 01:59:51.220
Yep.
2118
01:59:51.579 --> 01:59:51.859
Okay.
2119
01:59:53.319 --> 01:59:56.260
What about favorite opponents?
2120
01:59:58.359 --> 02:00:01.579
Well, they all was. I mean, I ain't got no
2121
02:00:01.619 --> 02:00:03.520
special one that I can pick to say I wanted
2122
02:00:03.539 --> 02:00:09.159
to wrestle because every one of them had a different
2123
02:00:09.220 --> 02:00:12.659
technique that I love doing, you know. So that goes
2124
02:00:12.720 --> 02:00:14.840
back to the drawing board. You got to study them,
2125
02:00:15.800 --> 02:00:18.220
you know, and learn their moves and know where to
2126
02:00:18.260 --> 02:00:23.829
be without hurting yourself and everything else. So, I mean,
2127
02:00:23.930 --> 02:00:28.369
it just goes back, you know, like I say, it's
2128
02:00:28.409 --> 02:00:32.529
like a football game. You study your opponents. I used
2129
02:00:32.550 --> 02:00:35.720
to wrestle the Invisible Man. When I first got started,
2130
02:00:35.920 --> 02:00:41.939
I wrestled the Invisible Man. And the Invisible Man whooped
2131
02:00:42.060 --> 02:00:46.659
my tail. I mean, back flips, back drops, hip tosses, clotheslines,
2132
02:00:47.199 --> 02:00:51.579
you know, the whole nine yards. I would take and
2133
02:00:51.640 --> 02:00:55.699
blindfold myself and walk the ring off, you know, for
2134
02:00:55.760 --> 02:00:59.100
a step between the rings. If it was an 18-foot ring,
2135
02:00:59.159 --> 02:01:02.630
if it's a 20-foot ring or a 16-foot ring, I
2136
02:01:02.689 --> 02:01:07.810
know exactly where I was at at all times. So
2137
02:01:08.890 --> 02:01:12.109
it was an art to this business. And it was
2138
02:01:12.130 --> 02:01:14.920
the art to take your bumps. See, I didn't, you know,
2139
02:01:14.960 --> 02:01:17.079
most people grab the ropes when they go out, when
2140
02:01:17.100 --> 02:01:19.340
they slow, I shot them out the middle rope to
2141
02:01:19.359 --> 02:01:21.560
the floor. I didn't, I dove. I've done that little
2142
02:01:21.600 --> 02:01:26.930
turn and landed. You know, uh, I love the high bumps.
2143
02:01:27.010 --> 02:01:30.270
I love taking high bumps. You know, I gave the
2144
02:01:30.569 --> 02:01:32.689
road warriors a lot of the bumps off their shoulder
2145
02:01:32.710 --> 02:01:35.189
and all where they flipped me over. And then, uh,
2146
02:01:35.310 --> 02:01:39.810
I've done the one and a half, uh, backdrop off
2147
02:01:39.970 --> 02:01:43.130
of a Crucial Crucial one time, and then the Achilles
2148
02:01:43.149 --> 02:01:46.800
heel off I used to do at full 180 clothesline.
2149
02:01:48.880 --> 02:01:53.239
Yeah, that's what makes them look like they're destroyed. That's
2150
02:01:53.260 --> 02:01:54.199
what makes them look like killers.
2151
02:01:55.100 --> 02:02:00.000
Yep. You have to study these guys to know. Nobody
2152
02:02:00.039 --> 02:02:02.810
has to tell me nothing in the ring. A lot
2153
02:02:02.850 --> 02:02:05.250
of guys don't want to tell you where you're going
2154
02:02:05.270 --> 02:02:08.100
to be at next. You don't have to do that
2155
02:02:08.159 --> 02:02:10.279
if you've done your homework. I know every guy I
2156
02:02:10.340 --> 02:02:11.899
got in the ring with, I know where I need
2157
02:02:11.920 --> 02:02:14.779
to be for them to do their moves, finish their moves,
2158
02:02:15.140 --> 02:02:17.420
and get them over for TV. I know exactly what
2159
02:02:17.460 --> 02:02:18.119
I need to do.
2160
02:02:19.859 --> 02:02:22.279
All right, Randy, we've got a couple people who are
2161
02:02:22.619 --> 02:02:25.039
on the phone waiting to talk to you. Let's go
2162
02:02:25.100 --> 02:02:28.220
back to Kylan from Newark. Kylan, I know you wanted
2163
02:02:28.260 --> 02:02:30.359
to talk to Randy Mulkey. Go ahead.
2164
02:02:32.600 --> 02:02:33.199
Well....
2165
02:02:37.689 --> 02:02:48.590
Did you actually select yourself and the other gladiators to
2166
02:02:50.979 --> 02:02:57.439
go over on, or was that a Crockett decision?
2167
02:02:58.800 --> 02:03:02.960
Well, I think it was more of Gary Roy and...
2168
02:03:03.779 --> 02:03:06.640
George South, I think they volunteered for it once they
2169
02:03:06.680 --> 02:03:10.439
found out what they was going to do because they
2170
02:03:10.479 --> 02:03:14.420
was really in the Crockett Cup. They was going as
2171
02:03:14.500 --> 02:03:20.399
a tag team anyway. And they volunteered for it. George
2172
02:03:20.439 --> 02:03:26.510
South never come to a Georgia TV taping. And they
2173
02:03:26.520 --> 02:03:29.369
were playing. So for him to show up that day,
2174
02:03:30.350 --> 02:03:32.670
that meant more to us knowing that he was going
2175
02:03:32.689 --> 02:03:35.920
to do that for us. and George is a great
2176
02:03:35.960 --> 02:03:39.560
guy and he talks about it on his blog all
2177
02:03:39.579 --> 02:03:42.729
the time it was a privilege for him to put
2178
02:03:42.789 --> 02:03:45.770
over which we've done you know house shows with him
2179
02:03:45.829 --> 02:03:48.569
in the first second match and put him over you
2180
02:03:48.590 --> 02:03:52.619
know and have heck of a matches with him and
2181
02:03:52.640 --> 02:03:54.079
Gary Roy was the same way.
2182
02:03:54.600 --> 02:03:55.000
You know.
2183
02:03:58.930 --> 02:03:59.590
Hey, everyone.
2184
02:03:59.930 --> 02:04:03.140
Longtime PWTorch columnist Sean Radican here to let you know
2185
02:04:03.199 --> 02:04:08.140
I've revamped and renewed the Radican Worldwide Podcast for 2026.
2186
02:04:08.140 --> 02:04:11.739
a weekly VIP exclusive. Every week, I break down four
2187
02:04:11.760 --> 02:04:14.680
or five of the biggest trending topics in pro wrestling.
2188
02:04:14.979 --> 02:04:18.159
I also present my analysis, providing insight that helps you
2189
02:04:18.220 --> 02:04:20.960
understand the story better or see it another way than
2190
02:04:21.020 --> 02:04:24.039
maybe is the controversial take out there. Then I bring
2191
02:04:24.119 --> 02:04:26.539
on a special guest for the second half of the podcast.
2192
02:04:26.739 --> 02:04:29.319
Sometimes it's a wrestler or someone else who works in
2193
02:04:29.340 --> 02:04:32.020
the business. Other times it's a guest analyst who brings
2194
02:04:32.060 --> 02:04:35.300
their specialized point of view on a particular key topic
2195
02:04:35.340 --> 02:04:38.399
in the news. Recent guests have included Bronson Reed from
2196
02:04:38.659 --> 02:04:41.520
WWE and PCO. One of my areas of specialty is
2197
02:04:41.539 --> 02:04:44.020
the Japan wrestling scene, so I often cover a big
2198
02:04:44.079 --> 02:04:48.319
topic from Japan with PW Torch's own Alan Farrell, Kelly Wells,
2199
02:04:48.569 --> 02:04:51.449
and Chris Lansdell. I don't just cover the news. I
2200
02:04:51.470 --> 02:04:53.489
don't just riff on the news or give a standard
2201
02:04:53.510 --> 02:04:56.390
hot take. I'll bring my decades of studying this industry
2202
02:04:56.430 --> 02:05:00.090
and talking one-on-one with dozens of wrestling promoters to each
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02:05:00.149 --> 02:05:03.399
week's show so you understand not just what's happening, but
2204
02:05:03.439 --> 02:05:06.420
the context of why. Get ahead of the news. Get
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02:05:14.159 --> 02:05:15.329
Okay, Kyle, do you have anything else?
2207
02:05:17.210 --> 02:05:29.220
And final question. Do you regret that you never held
2208
02:05:30.260 --> 02:05:37.729
the major... NWA or WWE tag titles?
2209
02:05:39.130 --> 02:05:39.949
No, buddy, I don't.
2210
02:05:40.329 --> 02:05:42.489
I mean, because it ain't all about the titles. It
2211
02:05:42.529 --> 02:05:45.439
was all about the love of the business and building
2212
02:05:45.460 --> 02:05:49.739
the business and getting the guys over that was on
2213
02:05:49.819 --> 02:05:52.939
top to get the people butts in the seat to
2214
02:05:52.979 --> 02:05:57.569
come watch. That's how we made our money. You know,
2215
02:05:57.590 --> 02:05:57.850
we know.
2216
02:05:57.869 --> 02:05:58.449
Do I now?
2217
02:06:03.770 --> 02:06:05.850
Back then, was wrestling your full-time job?
2218
02:06:05.869 --> 02:06:09.829
Wrestling was our full-time job back then. We actually made
2219
02:06:09.890 --> 02:06:10.649
a living doing it.
2220
02:06:11.670 --> 02:06:11.890
Wow.
2221
02:06:12.609 --> 02:06:13.050
That's great.
2222
02:06:13.149 --> 02:06:13.649
All right.
2223
02:06:14.050 --> 02:06:19.149
Thank you, Kylan. Kylan drops off. We do have another
2224
02:06:19.229 --> 02:06:24.090
caller for Randy. We're going to try the 240 area code. 240,
2225
02:06:24.090 --> 02:06:28.050
please state your name and town. You're on Saturday Morning Wrestling.
2226
02:06:28.750 --> 02:06:30.310
This is Ryan from Cumberland, Maryland.
2227
02:06:31.270 --> 02:06:31.970
How you doing, Ryan?
2228
02:06:32.810 --> 02:06:37.340
Good. What led you to change federations from NWA to
2229
02:06:37.380 --> 02:06:44.300
the WWF? Was there someone involved that got you hired there?
2230
02:06:44.340 --> 02:06:44.539
No.
2231
02:06:44.899 --> 02:06:46.560
Now, my brother went up there and done a few
2232
02:06:46.600 --> 02:06:51.310
shows for WWF, but I didn't. By the time I
2233
02:06:51.350 --> 02:06:53.890
was out of it in 91, I had back trouble
2234
02:06:53.970 --> 02:06:57.470
and neck trouble. That pretty well put me on the sideline.
2235
02:06:57.930 --> 02:06:58.189
And it.
2236
02:07:01.340 --> 02:07:05.090
Progress on. So I went driving an 18-wheel truck coast
2237
02:07:05.100 --> 02:07:08.609
to coast until I couldn't do it no more until
2238
02:07:08.649 --> 02:07:12.390
I had to have surgeries and all back in 2010. But,
2239
02:07:12.789 --> 02:07:17.409
you know, they just didn't renew our contract. Eric Bischoff
2240
02:07:17.430 --> 02:07:21.729
didn't renew our contracts when he took over WCW when
2241
02:07:21.770 --> 02:07:25.069
it went Monday night nitros and all that when it
2242
02:07:25.109 --> 02:07:28.729
was making a big change. Once Crockett sold out, then
2243
02:07:29.640 --> 02:07:31.619
We was kind of weaved out because they had the
2244
02:07:31.659 --> 02:07:35.600
power plant going. And they took the power plant people and,
2245
02:07:36.180 --> 02:07:43.859
you know, and doing these live shows every Monday night. Okay.
2246
02:07:44.239 --> 02:07:47.039
And my final question is, what's your one loss record
2247
02:07:47.079 --> 02:07:49.119
against your brother and how many times did you wrestle
2248
02:07:49.159 --> 02:07:49.579
each other?
2249
02:07:50.560 --> 02:07:55.399
God, when me and my brother wrestled each other, it
2250
02:07:55.439 --> 02:07:58.140
was probably equal because we took turns. I mean, it
2251
02:07:58.159 --> 02:07:59.189
didn't really matter to us.
2252
02:07:59.850 --> 02:07:59.970
Right.
2253
02:08:00.260 --> 02:08:02.819
Our whole thing, a long time we went Broadway. It
2254
02:08:02.880 --> 02:08:05.939
went to a draw because, you know, we would just
2255
02:08:06.500 --> 02:08:10.710
get in it so much. And it was just boom, boom, boom,
2256
02:08:10.810 --> 02:08:13.090
one after another. And then most of the time we
2257
02:08:13.130 --> 02:08:16.229
went Broadway or we was doing a big few or
2258
02:08:16.270 --> 02:08:17.350
something like that way.
2259
02:08:18.649 --> 02:08:19.270
I was the heel.
2260
02:08:20.060 --> 02:08:22.000
I was screwing him out of the matches, and then
2261
02:08:23.359 --> 02:08:25.180
we'll build it up for a few weeks in these
2262
02:08:25.239 --> 02:08:30.090
independent shows, and then he'd get me, you know. So
2263
02:08:31.029 --> 02:08:35.010
the win and lose part is not no big deal
2264
02:08:35.050 --> 02:08:40.170
to me. It wasn't winning or losing. It was going
2265
02:08:40.210 --> 02:08:44.460
out there and doing the job that you know you
2266
02:08:44.479 --> 02:08:45.779
can do to get somebody over.
2267
02:08:49.640 --> 02:08:49.880
Okay.
2268
02:08:50.340 --> 02:08:50.979
Thank you, Ryan.
2269
02:08:51.340 --> 02:08:53.399
Thanks for taking my question.
2270
02:08:54.000 --> 02:08:54.680
No problem, sir.
2271
02:08:54.760 --> 02:08:55.220
Thank you.
2272
02:08:56.260 --> 02:09:02.100
Thank you. Randy, once you retired because of your injuries,
2273
02:09:02.340 --> 02:09:05.220
how did you manage to– there are lots of guys
2274
02:09:06.600 --> 02:09:08.659
who have trouble with their careers, and how did you
2275
02:09:08.699 --> 02:09:10.810
manage to feel like you're still part of the business?
2276
02:09:11.630 --> 02:09:12.689
How did you keep yourself involved?
2277
02:09:13.569 --> 02:09:17.029
Well, see, we do the fight with Greg Price at
2278
02:09:17.069 --> 02:09:23.060
the NWA Legends. We'll be in Winston-Salem Saturday after Thanksgiving
2279
02:09:23.119 --> 02:09:24.369
at Wrath and Cage.
2280
02:09:24.810 --> 02:09:26.989
Wrath and Cage, yeah.
2281
02:09:27.909 --> 02:09:31.149
We do the thing in Georgia over here. South Carolina
2282
02:09:31.170 --> 02:09:33.850
done put us in the Hall of Fame, Wrath and
2283
02:09:33.890 --> 02:09:38.000
Hall of Fame down in Columbia. We got guys that
2284
02:09:38.039 --> 02:09:41.640
calls us that I just go and do, you know,
2285
02:09:42.020 --> 02:09:46.270
special appearance, sign autographs and everything like that way. And
2286
02:09:47.090 --> 02:09:48.789
I got a lot of guys that just calls me
2287
02:09:48.829 --> 02:09:52.109
and ask me for advice. You know, what to do,
2288
02:09:52.229 --> 02:09:54.609
how to do this. And I trained a lot of people.
2289
02:09:54.729 --> 02:09:58.850
I trained a whole lot of people and everything. And
2290
02:10:01.189 --> 02:10:06.289
I don't know how to keep saying this. It's the
2291
02:10:06.439 --> 02:10:10.159
love of the business. And I tell everybody that I meet,
2292
02:10:10.699 --> 02:10:15.130
do not lift your head swell up. Your head swells up.
2293
02:10:15.710 --> 02:10:17.869
If you think you are better than anybody, you'll never
2294
02:10:17.930 --> 02:10:23.039
go nowhere in this business, you know. So you keep
2295
02:10:23.100 --> 02:10:26.340
it in your heart. You love what you do. And
2296
02:10:26.380 --> 02:10:30.979
you will starve yourself to death. I mean, actually, we've
2297
02:10:31.020 --> 02:10:35.720
been on the road. We eat raw sandwiches and loaf
2298
02:10:35.760 --> 02:10:40.409
bread and all, you know, just to get stuff in
2299
02:10:40.449 --> 02:10:46.350
our cars, you know. So, I mean, it's got to
2300
02:10:46.369 --> 02:10:50.710
be the love of the business to do it. Yeah.
2301
02:10:50.770 --> 02:10:54.229
Everybody is not going to get rich in this business. Nobody,
2302
02:10:54.250 --> 02:10:56.630
you know, you got to be in the right place
2303
02:10:56.670 --> 02:10:59.270
at the right time, like Big Bubba. You know, Big
2304
02:10:59.350 --> 02:11:02.909
Bubba was coming to Atlanta TV over there with us.
2305
02:11:03.439 --> 02:11:06.380
He was getting a splash every week. And then all
2306
02:11:06.420 --> 02:11:10.260
of a sudden, boom, he become a bodyguard for Jim Cornette.
2307
02:11:10.979 --> 02:11:13.079
The first thing he ever done was give me the
2308
02:11:13.119 --> 02:11:15.680
Bubba Slam. on the line of TV.
2309
02:11:18.640 --> 02:11:20.319
That was, yeah, that was normal.
2310
02:11:21.159 --> 02:11:23.180
Yep, a lot of people don't know that. I've done
2311
02:11:23.220 --> 02:11:25.609
a Carolina TV a couple times where they showed it,
2312
02:11:26.039 --> 02:11:28.220
where I was still in, where they wrapped my ribs
2313
02:11:28.359 --> 02:11:30.560
up and everything, like you broke my ribs and all that,
2314
02:11:30.760 --> 02:11:35.159
you know. So, it's just one of them things.
2315
02:11:37.149 --> 02:11:38.590
Yeah.
2316
02:11:39.109 --> 02:11:43.850
It is. So, but that's, you know, like I said,
2317
02:11:43.909 --> 02:11:46.720
I'll stress this again. You've got to love this. It's
2318
02:11:46.760 --> 02:11:49.060
a lot of backstabbing and a lot of jealousy, and
2319
02:11:49.399 --> 02:11:53.279
I'll say that again, too. You know, even back when
2320
02:11:53.319 --> 02:11:57.659
we was in it with the Raging Bulls and Rick
2321
02:11:57.729 --> 02:12:01.289
Rude and Rock and Roll Express, I mean, there was
2322
02:12:01.310 --> 02:12:04.090
still a lot of jealousy there. One was on top,
2323
02:12:04.170 --> 02:12:05.789
and the other one thinks they should be on top.
2324
02:12:07.229 --> 02:12:08.270
Well, yeah, yeah.
2325
02:12:09.949 --> 02:12:13.109
But they still done their show. They did. They still
2326
02:12:13.170 --> 02:12:15.550
done it. And that's one thing I can stress with Crockett.
2327
02:12:16.010 --> 02:12:18.439
It didn't matter. You go out there. You do your show.
2328
02:12:18.899 --> 02:12:21.989
You do not ruin the show. It don't matter what
2329
02:12:22.270 --> 02:12:23.840
differences you got or anything.
2330
02:12:24.239 --> 02:12:25.340
You do it.
2331
02:12:26.859 --> 02:12:30.880
Outside the ring. But if he put you in there
2332
02:12:31.079 --> 02:12:32.720
and you got a beef with him, you better do
2333
02:12:32.739 --> 02:12:34.060
your thing or you won't be there tomorrow.
2334
02:12:35.859 --> 02:12:36.100
Right.
2335
02:12:36.739 --> 02:12:39.619
Well, I think it's a testament to your philosophy that
2336
02:12:39.699 --> 02:12:44.510
you are still one of the most remembered and cherished
2337
02:12:44.750 --> 02:12:47.289
acts of your era. And I think it goes a
2338
02:12:47.649 --> 02:12:51.189
long way. And I appreciate you taking the time to
2339
02:12:51.229 --> 02:12:53.369
talk to us today, particularly after just getting out of
2340
02:12:53.710 --> 02:12:56.770
knee surgery. But we wish you the best. And I'm
2341
02:12:56.810 --> 02:12:59.989
sure we'll see you very soon in the Carolinas. I'll
2342
02:13:00.020 --> 02:13:02.579
probably see you next year with Charlotte FanFest, if not sooner.
2343
02:13:02.600 --> 02:13:03.500
Yep.
2344
02:13:03.699 --> 02:13:05.840
Well, are y'all coming to Winston-Salem this year?
2345
02:13:07.270 --> 02:13:08.229
I'm going to try to tell you.
2346
02:13:08.329 --> 02:13:10.250
I don't know if I'm going to be able to.
2347
02:13:10.270 --> 02:13:12.710
There's a path to be there. Yeah, well, see, we'll
2348
02:13:12.729 --> 02:13:14.989
be there this year. They're supposed to be the last
2349
02:13:15.199 --> 02:13:18.659
one unless somebody else picks it up. But let me
2350
02:13:18.680 --> 02:13:23.180
tell you this, fellas. Y'all, the one that's coming in
2351
02:13:23.220 --> 02:13:26.760
this business today has got a better chance. If they
2352
02:13:26.779 --> 02:13:29.880
got the body, they can talk, and they look good,
2353
02:13:30.399 --> 02:13:32.199
they got a chance to make it to the top.
2354
02:13:34.029 --> 02:13:36.590
It ain't all about the wrestling no more. Back then,
2355
02:13:36.789 --> 02:13:39.069
you had to wrestle to be able to get on
2356
02:13:39.109 --> 02:13:42.180
the show. Now, you know, you got to look good.
2357
02:13:43.699 --> 02:13:45.939
And y'all know that. There's a lot of guys that
2358
02:13:45.960 --> 02:13:52.979
cannot wrestle. That's out there today. But they look good
2359
02:13:53.000 --> 02:13:55.520
with their body and all. They look good with their body.
2360
02:13:56.159 --> 02:13:58.720
But if they'll take it and put it in their heart,
2361
02:13:59.460 --> 02:14:04.510
they believe in themselves, And never take no for a,
2362
02:14:05.050 --> 02:14:12.609
never accept no. Always push forward. That's the main thing.
2363
02:14:13.850 --> 02:14:19.819
That's good advice, Randy. That's probably a good way to
2364
02:14:19.880 --> 02:14:22.859
wrap up the segment. Randy Mulkey, thank you very much
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02:14:22.899 --> 02:14:27.800
for taking time out. Literally just got out of the hospital,
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02:14:27.819 --> 02:14:30.470
deciding to be on Saturday Morning Wrestling with us today.
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02:14:31.359 --> 02:14:31.810
Yes, sir.
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02:14:32.239 --> 02:14:34.590
Hey, I love you guys. Thank you all for keeping
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02:14:34.649 --> 02:14:38.470
us in your memories. I appreciate it. I mean, you
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02:14:38.510 --> 02:14:40.710
don't know how many people hit me on my Facebook
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02:14:41.310 --> 02:14:44.229
and everything. They can hit me up on my Facebook
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02:14:44.369 --> 02:14:48.189
under Randy Mulkey. We got the Mulkey Brothers fan page,
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02:14:48.409 --> 02:14:52.380
and we got Mulkey Mania Leo on Facebook. Everybody can
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02:14:52.420 --> 02:14:56.220
go there. There's different rations of things on YouTube they
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02:14:56.260 --> 02:15:00.020
can look at. You know, we appreciate them keeping our
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02:15:00.039 --> 02:15:05.279
memory alive. you know, and everything. I'll go back and
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02:15:05.300 --> 02:15:07.920
tell you again, I'm a fan, just the biggest fan
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02:15:08.000 --> 02:15:11.000
of anyone in this world is over wrestling.
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02:15:11.640 --> 02:15:12.130
I love it.
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02:15:14.439 --> 02:15:18.279
And y'all feel free to call me anytime, fellas, anytime.
2381
02:15:19.470 --> 02:15:23.170
Well, obviously, we can if we can get you when you're,
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02:15:23.229 --> 02:15:25.470
you know, on the good drugs right out of the hospital. So,
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02:15:25.770 --> 02:15:27.350
we'll find you on Facebook.
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02:15:29.520 --> 02:15:31.840
Maybe next time I can get Brother in on a
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02:15:31.859 --> 02:15:36.720
two-way call and everything, and we can all sit down
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02:15:36.739 --> 02:15:38.500
and have a four-way talk there with you.
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02:15:39.500 --> 02:15:41.119
That sounds great. We'll definitely do that.
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02:15:42.010 --> 02:15:43.489
Thank you, fellas. Appreciate you.
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02:15:43.529 --> 02:15:44.109
Thank you, sir.
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02:15:44.270 --> 02:15:52.369
Thank you. Randy Mulkey, ladies and gentlemen. What a pro. Yeah.
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02:15:52.970 --> 02:15:55.140
He sounds like he's still ready to go, you know?
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02:15:55.909 --> 02:15:58.010
Seriously, what a pro. Well, yeah, except for the double
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02:15:58.029 --> 02:16:00.250
knee surgery in the back. Yeah, he's ready to go.
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02:16:01.029 --> 02:16:05.050
Other than that, he's fine. What a freaking pro, and
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02:16:05.090 --> 02:16:08.630
I mean that sincerely. That's how you do it, kids.
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02:16:08.750 --> 02:16:11.630
He knew when to plug his stuff. He was talking
2397
02:16:11.649 --> 02:16:15.050
about the attitude. And I'm not even saying this as
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02:16:15.109 --> 02:16:15.430
a joke.
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02:16:15.670 --> 02:16:16.710
I mean this sincerely.
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02:16:17.090 --> 02:16:18.970
We didn't even need to be here, Pat. He didn't
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02:16:19.010 --> 02:16:19.350
need us.
2402
02:16:20.229 --> 02:16:20.689
That's true.
2403
02:16:21.800 --> 02:16:24.079
Yeah what a pro what a what a pretty bro
2404
02:16:24.180 --> 02:16:25.199
put us to shame that.
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02:16:25.119 --> 02:16:27.939
I'm also himself uh.
2406
02:16:29.020 --> 02:16:31.180
Well we're gonna we're gonna take a break here and
2407
02:16:31.199 --> 02:16:33.659
then uh... we'll come back and sign up uh... very
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02:16:33.719 --> 02:16:36.379
one roughly up in a report livecast dot com.
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02:16:51.450 --> 02:16:53.600
We know you're a pro wrestling fan because you're listening
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to MMATorch.com.
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02:16:59.920 --> 02:17:04.299
All right. Saturday morning wrestling. I'm your producer, Pat McNeil,
2412
02:17:04.340 --> 02:17:09.040
here with the host, Jim Vallee. Jim, another fine episode
2413
02:17:09.200 --> 02:17:09.940
in the books here.
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02:17:09.959 --> 02:17:18.260
I think Randy Mulkey was great. He was fantastic. I'm thrilled.
2415
02:17:18.299 --> 02:17:20.899
I think we did a great show, all things considered,
2416
02:17:20.940 --> 02:17:24.020
dealing with all of the logistics with blog talk and
2417
02:17:24.059 --> 02:17:27.100
me being on the road. And you did an excellent job, Pat.
2418
02:17:27.120 --> 02:17:29.819
So thank you for putting up with me and letting
2419
02:17:29.860 --> 02:17:32.040
me come down here so I can go play some
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02:17:32.079 --> 02:17:34.559
retro video games. And also, if you're in the Portland,
2421
02:17:34.639 --> 02:17:38.340
Oregon area, if you are within driving distance of Portland,
2422
02:17:38.379 --> 02:17:41.569
Oregon this weekend, if you're listening to this this weekend,
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02:17:42.010 --> 02:17:44.889
get down there to the Retro Gaming Expo. Whatever your
2424
02:17:44.930 --> 02:17:47.870
game is, whatever your system is, if it's arcades, if
2425
02:17:47.930 --> 02:17:53.559
it's pinball, it's here. And it's amazing. Yeah, they got pinball. Dude,
2426
02:17:53.719 --> 02:17:57.819
they have everything here. They've got clothes. They've got accessories.
2427
02:17:58.500 --> 02:18:02.540
It's the greatest game show. And seriously, if you're listening
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02:18:02.559 --> 02:18:04.329
to this weekend, you need to do it. If you're
2429
02:18:04.360 --> 02:18:06.750
listening to the show during the week, well, you're out
2430
02:18:06.770 --> 02:18:08.129
of luck. But do it next year then.
2431
02:18:08.329 --> 02:18:08.489
Yeah.
2432
02:18:09.100 --> 02:18:09.739
There you go.
2433
02:18:11.040 --> 02:18:11.200
Right.
2434
02:18:11.500 --> 02:18:13.469
And I always thought Card Tracks was the greatest game show,
2435
02:18:13.489 --> 02:18:14.090
but that was me.
2436
02:18:14.409 --> 02:18:16.950
Well, it is. I watch it every morning on the
2437
02:18:16.969 --> 02:18:17.690
Game Show Network.
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02:18:18.549 --> 02:18:24.569
Yes, it is. Okay, VIP members, tomorrow the Wayback Playback drops,
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02:18:24.629 --> 02:18:26.780
episode 111, as we bring you the first half of
2440
02:18:26.840 --> 02:18:29.680
Halloween Havoc 90. There are no monkeys on it, but
2441
02:18:30.159 --> 02:18:32.420
perhaps you'll enjoy the free birds and Tommy Rich and
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02:18:32.459 --> 02:18:33.020
Ricky Morton.
2443
02:18:34.020 --> 02:18:35.000
And the black scorpion.
2444
02:18:35.940 --> 02:18:38.600
That's true. Oh, my goodness. I almost forgot the black scorpion.
2445
02:18:39.540 --> 02:18:41.840
Never forget the Black Scorpion.
2446
02:18:43.020 --> 02:18:48.120
Sting, I want you to go out to the deli
2447
02:18:48.200 --> 02:18:51.149
and get Ole Anderson a pastrami sandwich, Sting.
2448
02:18:53.750 --> 02:18:58.250
The worst Black Scorpion segment ever is on Halloween Havoc 1990.
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02:18:58.250 --> 02:19:00.059
So you've got to see it.
2450
02:19:00.370 --> 02:19:00.729
I don't know.
2451
02:19:00.850 --> 02:19:03.409
There was one on the class of champions following that
2452
02:19:03.450 --> 02:19:04.350
that was pretty bad, too.
2453
02:19:05.409 --> 02:19:07.549
It was virtually the same segment, but yeah.
2454
02:19:08.170 --> 02:19:08.649
Yeah, yeah.
2455
02:19:09.489 --> 02:19:12.770
Okay, and then next week, more Saturday morning wrestling with Jim.
2456
02:19:13.870 --> 02:19:17.090
Yeah, I just got back off vacation. I need to
2457
02:19:17.129 --> 02:19:20.790
work out who I'm getting next. Maybe Dave Milliken, the
2458
02:19:20.829 --> 02:19:23.309
belt guy, perhaps. I'm working on stuff.
2459
02:19:24.149 --> 02:19:24.510
Okay.
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02:19:25.610 --> 02:19:28.329
Well, until then, we hope you enjoy the rest of
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