AEW DYNAMITE: Keller & Adams talk Darby-Takeshita, Hair Match Stip, Owen Tournament Brackets, Death Riders-Ospreay dynamic, on-site report

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Pro Wrestling post show. It's time to talk this week's
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aw Dynamite.
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All right, Christopher Adams, we have another Darby Allen title defense.
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I'm excited to get your thoughts on tonight's match. We'll
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talk about the contract signing the angle afterwards. But he
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gets a win over Ki Takashta to retain the title.
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They went about sixteen minutes and had a heck of
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a match. A continuation of what I think will be
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talked about for a while from wrestling fans who are
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choosing to watch Dynamite on Wednesdays, especially or Collision, just
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seeing what Darby is up to. Chris take it away.
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Tell me if you thought of tonight's match. The booking
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of his I want to focus on his title Rain first.
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I we'll get them.
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Jeff, Okay, yeah, title Rain. I'm absolutely loving it. So
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my wife when we were watching tonight, I was never
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sold on Darby when I first started watching aw my
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son was all in on him, but I wasn't. But
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as I've watched his title n unfold, seeing the commitment
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that he's put into the matches right, seeing the effect
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on his body right there telling this story incredibly well.
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I mean, he's pouring himself into every match, She's not
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phoning anything in. It's a really compelling story that's got
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me excited and is maybe really invested in who he
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is and what he's showing and the kind of grit
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in the honor. So I'm I'm here for this title reign.
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Yeah. I think they're doing a great job with it.
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I mean, this is on the high end of I
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think what we could have expected. Because Caliber noted that
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Darby had been in the ring for seventy minutes and
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now ur ten minutes so far defending his title. I
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think coming into tonight, not counting tonight, and that's a
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lot of a ring time. They're certainly telling the story
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that he's getting worn out. So so yeah, so we
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can what did you let me start? I don't want
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to jump to m J. I think what did you
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like in particular, what stood out to you in the
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Takeshta match. And by the way, we should not for
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people who don't see the show. Kazutakokata had a family emergency.
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They said, he went back to Japan, and so Takeshta
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took his spot. So this was not part of the
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master planning they wanted to deliver for these fans. It
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was not the biggest crowd around twenty five hundred, give
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or take, but they wanted obviously deliver something special, and
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so they did end up having a I guess sacrific
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for like of a term Takeshta to Darby in a
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booking scheme where they probably didn't want to. And I'm
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curious what they would have done if they went through
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with the Olcada match. I'm assuming, because I haven't heard otherwise,
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that this wasn't like a bait and switch master plan
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all along. Chris, I heard.
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The same thing. It was legitimate family stuff, is what
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I heard with Okada. So uh, the way they told
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the story having having Takesha have to decide is he
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going to still be a person of honor? Right? Is
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he gonna is he gonna cheat? Is he not going to?
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Uh?
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They were they were able to defurther this babyface developing
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turn I suppose. I mean it's almost like a slow
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burn for him. Uh Uh, not having Darby have to
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cheat to win, right, because as soon as we saw
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Takesha say no, I'm not going to do that, we
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knew Darby was not going to have, you know, do
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low blow for low blow like he's been doing so.
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Uh.
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The moments that stood out for me though, that sort
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of enabled the wind to not feel like it was
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a sacrifice, right. I mean, he didn't get trashed in
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the same way that maybe someone else could have. The
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moments that shined for the Keshta for me, the Avalanche
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German suplex that was not released. I mean I felt
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that right in at my home. They allowed him to
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still be brutal, to hit you know, several of his
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knee strikes, but they told a story with Darby it
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was opportunistic and so I felt like it played to
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both their strengths in a way. As you said, they
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probably didn't want to put it together quickly, but I
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felt if delivered for us at home.
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We ran a poll early on when Darby got the
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title win. In it, you know, there was a number
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of people who just didn't think he was a credible champion.
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They might have had other reasons that they indicated they
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didn't weren't in favor of the Rain, But I think
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there's a lot of people like you who are won
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over by this in the way they're telling the story.
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You know, they're not telling a story that he's the best.
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They're telling a story that he's given at his all
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week after week after week in a way that no
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champion has ever done, and that stands out, you know,
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I mean, how can you not respect the guy in
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the context of Aw's world doing what he is doing.
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Zach Barber in the chat with the super Chat Thank You,
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Zach says I've watched wrestling for the better part of
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thirty years. In that Avalanche German with Takeshta hanging on
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was one of the damnedest things I've ever seen, and
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Zach added to I'm pretty sure one of those gnarly
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forms busted Darby's lip. Yeah, I mean this was hard
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hitting with some big moves and they played into signature
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moves well, you know, the coffin drop. I'm glad because
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Darby's so small that doing a coffin drop itself doesn't
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feel like it should be enough to win a world
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title match. I'm glad that he's doing multiple versions of it,
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plus other moves and just avoiding moves by his opponents
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who are kind of crashing on their own because he
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moves out of the way. So I think they're telling
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a smart story here that Darby is resilient, and he
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is he's tough, and he just comes at you relentlessly.
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So you know, I mean, people watching wrestling just want
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to get pulled in as if what they're watching is
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a real sport. They just want to have some semblance
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of reality or a reality that that at least just
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consistently applied honors the lore of what works and what
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doesn't in the history of what they've watched, you know,
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logical selling some moves that look like they really hurt
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to add to the mix, and this has had it all.
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I mean, it's it's just you know, I mean, they've
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put good thought into it, so.
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Yeah, it does feel very thoughtful.
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Absolutely, Yeah, Okay, Derek Mitchell says, I've watched wrestling for
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the better part of forty four years, and I hope
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Darby Allen's reckless style doesn't result in him or someone
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becoming a quadriplegic. Do you think what Darby's one hundred
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thirty pounds whatever, I mean, like give or take twenty,
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I think I'm really safe in that estimate wide range
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there he is. When he takes a big bump, it
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just means less than a Frank Cage does. But but
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this is gonna catch up to him in some way.
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I mean, he's got he has a spine and it
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is susceptible to wear and tear, and you know, so
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do you watch and think, Okay, Darby small, you know
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he's tough, The landings aren't going to have the impact
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that it that it would on other people other people's
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brains and and and spine and neck. Or do you
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watch him go yeah, I enjoy it, But there's a
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little tinge of guilt that I'm kind of supporting. And
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now I'm gonna come out of podcast and praise it.
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M hm. So I I have a double spinal fusion,
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so I can appreciate what it means to have to
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live with some significant spinal pain and discomfort. Darby, I think,
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has to have calculated all of this. I mean the
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way he he he moves, the way he takes the bumps.
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He seems to understand that caring for this thing is necessary. Right,
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there's a there seems to be a care or a
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craft within the recklessness that I have to believe is
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more than just luck. Because he's done so many of
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these these crazy bumps and hasn't come out a quadriplegic.
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That tells me he's able to navigate those things fairly well.
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Now will they catch up to him? One? Absolutely, unequivocally.
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But he's in this way kind of like his icon
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Tony Hawker, or some of the BMX ers or those
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those kind of sports and athletes who who just understand
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that they are doing something that is going to cost
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more than other people. And we know that watching it,
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but we're all in the same page, and so it's
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different than somebody who's been forced into it, or has
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been fed into a system that forces them to act
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this way. Right, I don't get this since Darby is
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being forced to wrestle this.
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Way, No, for sure. I mean but you know, like
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there's some been some racist angle and this is kind
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of an orfit, but there's been some racist angles that
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minority wrestlers have done on television and the defense was, well,
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they were willing to do it, they weren't forced into it.
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And it's like, okay, yeah, you know, yeah, but you
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do if you're do you feel like pressure to go
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along with it, not be that one who says, oh,
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this is racist, I won't do it. Then it works
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against you and you want you don't want to be
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that guy sometimes, and so you can have someone to
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take advantage of it, because that as an example, like
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when you say, Darby is willing to do it, for sure,
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but you need to adults, grown ups in the room
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to go Darby, you're willing to do it, but we
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don't want to make money off of an exploit. You
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doing great damage to yourself in that way. So it
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doesn't mean I'm against what Darby's doing when I say that,
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but I'm it's sort of a pushback on the catch
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all being well, if if you're a promoter and someone's
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willing to do it, you should let them. You could
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say that about steroids, you could say that about bleeding yourself,
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bleeding all over all kinds of things. You could say
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it about being never being around your family on holidays, whatever.
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I mean, you want promoters to step up and sort
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of be adults in the room a little bit too.
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Yeah, I mean, are there specific things that you might
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point to where you would you wish somebody would have said, hey,
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no way.
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M yep, yeah, yeah, some chat comments here. Dougie Doug says,
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fun show, Darby's gonna paralyze himself in the ring one
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of these days. Little the story, all the good will
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Tony has built that Jeff Hardy mattch should have been
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the last straw for Tony. Darby isn't just gambling with
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his health. He's gambling with the reputation of a company
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and plowing over one hundred wrestlers. And Derek Mitchell says,
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I shouldn't say reckless because after some thought, I believe
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Darby tries to be safe, but there's a threshold where
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a spill or misstep could be dangerous. I think that's
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a fair way to put it. Yeah, I mean, can
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you can You could dispute reckless depending on your definition,
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your interpretation what he does. But I mean, you say that,
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but you could say that about a lot of wrestlers.
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They're one slip of the rope, one miscue away from
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something really bad happening. You know, we saw that with
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with a lot of rest are getting injured. But you
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know the Finn Valor's world title ring coming up short
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because the seth driving him into the ringside barricade. And
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you know there's moves that are conventional that can go
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wrong too, it's just Darby does more of them, so
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his odds are higher. But it's not like he's the
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only guy putting his body at risk. Let's give respect
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an appreciation to all the wrestlers, almost all of them. Sure,
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I mean there's a few who don't take any chances
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and they're boring.
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But yeah, and the pushback I think is fair and
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valid and necessary and a good perspective, especially as you
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brought up power power dynamics and the imbalance that that
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can create, the expectation.
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Or the or setting the bar high for other wrestlers,
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Like if it's those argument for steroids. People forgot if
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someone willn't take steroids, it only affects them. But when
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you raise the bar and this was a big problem
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with the WWF in the in the eighties into the
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nineties is when you're a wrestler who doesn't want to
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take stereoids, you're having to compete for crowd reaction, and
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that the sense that the crowd has when they look
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at you. If the story being told is the more
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muscles you have, the tougher yard, which was a story
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the mid eighties to the early nineties, and the Dabetha,
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especially in ww kind of picked up on that afterwards.
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When w s start is fairy testing. If the perception
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is the more muscles you have, the more crowder issue
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you're going to get because you look like a bigger
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star and action figure come to life suddenly. It does
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put pressure on others, and that was the argument for no,
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even the playing field, don't let anyone do it, or
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you know, work hard to prevent people from doing it excessively.
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And so if I'm interrupting you to make that point again, parenthetically,
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like Darby doing it does it does affect other wrestlers
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in the sense that now other wrestlers go, I got
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to keep up with that if I want to respect
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the adulation, the announcer praise and the buzz online and
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on podcasts that that Darby gets.
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Yeah, fair point. I do think Darby, I mean, obviously
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would be his body would benefit from slowing down. And
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the way they're they're telling the sort of Osprey is
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slowing down, adapting things we've seen in this title Reign
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that Darby has the grappling ability and the matt work
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and the speed to be within the context of the
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ropes to be dynamic and explosive. Right, the last supper move,
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to me is one that comes out of nowhere. So
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he could slow down, and so yeah, someone should someone
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needs to be in the room to say maybe not
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this one buddy, maybe that sting. Maybe he needs to
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have a conversation. Right, he might be the only one
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who could say something right, Yeah, oh yeah. Points are points.
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I'll take them.
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And in making these points, I'm not even I'm not speaking.
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I don't know that I believe Darby's taking chances so
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excessive that we should we should be waiting in the
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wings to blame Tony. I don't know that I feel
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that way, but I think it should be done on
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its own. It should be done with all the things
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that we talked about in taken into account. A couple
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other comments, and well, we've got Joshua White People, your
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Torchu contributor, who's going to join us as an on
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site correspondent, who attended tonight's I'll be very interesting. Zach
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Barber says in the chat, those crazy bums Darby took
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tonight were fairly mild compared to what he normally does.
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Sean Plitschta says, Zach, those bumps are pretty crazy. I
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disagree there, I will say Sean, I think Zach's seen
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more aw than you, but I mean, those are some crazy,
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crazy bumps. And fen Blast said, I wish this series
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of matches had followed a properly built up under dog
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climax to gain the title. It's an interesting that's kind
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of a different topic than anything we've talked about, but
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it is kind of big picture, and I think at
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this stage of the title run, especially if you believe
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he's losing it a double or nothing, and it'll come to
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an end, I meaning relatively soon here, and it is
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a time to reflect a little bit. I think a
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proper build up would have taken away some of the
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what that we saw, the lack of foreshadowing. Darby has
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been protected and pushed all along, so it like they
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didn't push him in a different way. So yeah, I
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gotta say, fan bless, I'm okay with them not telling
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a big story arc where you saw it coming, Chris,
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what do you think?
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I am too? And in fact, I wish we had
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not seen sting before the match, because that, to me
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was a tell that he was in fact gonna win.
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Right.
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I would have liked it to have been even that
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much more explosive. I totally get why they did it,
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and it made me pop as a fan. His his
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punk rock ethos is one of getting it done quick
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and grimy and dirty like that and of nowhere, and
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that's the story they're telling. And he had the build.
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I mean, he did pick off the Death Riders one
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by one and they were the ones who stole his
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title shot from way back when, so the build was
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kind of already baked in.
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Yep, forty good. Let's pause, introduce ourselves, and then we'll
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see if Joshua was ready to join us and give
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an in person perspective. We got Sean Plitchta Sean from
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the call ups because now they're not NT wrestlers, I
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Pwtorch dot com. My call is today is Christopher Adams.
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Good Dabby, Thank Sarah. It's always good to be here.
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All right, let's let's get wrong. Let's bring Joshua. Yeah, yep,
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I don't think I forgot any other pluge, So yeah,
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I think we're good. Joshua, are you ready for us?
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I see you in the waiting room or are you
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trying to make your way to a place where you
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can talk to us? He knows how this works, so
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I have faith. If he doesn't respond, oh himself.
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To unmute himself and then he's good to go. I
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am trying, but that's the only impediment I.
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Got joshuall, first of all, be safe first, and foremost,
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just forget about us. If you gotta gotta be safe,
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if there's something that needs your attention. I was not
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being passive aggressive, and I said, Joshua knows what he's doing,
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so I assume if he's muted it's intentional, and then
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you come on and go. No, I just forgot to unmute.
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But anyway, good to have you. Uh So, tell us
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about tonight's experience. It dynamite, not a huge crowd, but
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what do you think of the energy in the building.
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Yeah, so the last time they were in Ashville was
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the first ever episode on Max, and they had like
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thirty five out thirty five hundred there. I think they
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were a little over, like maybe twenty five hundred to night,
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so it was a lot less full, but I felt
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I can never tell how it comes across on TV,
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but in the building it seemed like everybody was there
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for everything and loud and passionate and appropriately aligned with
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cheering the right people and not chanting one more time
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when mjf ran back to the ring to attack Derby.
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So I think it was a good crowd.
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It's totally I'm glad you brought that up. I was
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thinking about it too late in the Derby match. The
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crowd could have shanted this is awesome after a big move.
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They didn't. They charged. They chanted Darby Derby. That is
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the way you show respect to wrestlers. Cheer for the baby face.
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The heel does not want to hear this is awesome chat.
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They shouldn't. If they know the business and they know
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what draws money, they should want to hear you chant
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for the babyface. Because the heels job their number one
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most important job. Job. It's not the only job, but
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it's the one with the biggest percentage of importance of
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all jobs is make the baby face. If you're around
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their level on the roster, come out of a feud
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with a baby face being more popular and looking strong.
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So the biggest tribute you can give to a heel
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is cheering and chanting for the baby face. And tonight
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it's especially notable for Darby though, because Don Kallis is
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00:24:20.400 --> 00:24:23.839
a heel, takesha is not and the crowds still chanting
476
00:24:23.920 --> 00:24:26.680
for Darby. Now granted anyone associated with Callous, the fans
477
00:24:26.680 --> 00:24:29.240
are gonna, you know, they're going to root against them
478
00:24:29.359 --> 00:24:31.079
or root for them to dump Callous. And there's that
479
00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:33.559
big spot in the matches you mention Chrissy turned down
480
00:24:33.640 --> 00:24:35.559
using the dynamite diamond ring and it almost cost him.
481
00:24:35.559 --> 00:24:37.240
I'm glad that wasn't the finish because that would feel
482
00:24:37.240 --> 00:24:39.400
like a cheap way for Derby to win. But it
483
00:24:39.640 --> 00:24:45.119
was a believable near finish. So yeah, anyway, I wanted
484
00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:47.119
to bring that up. I hadn't yet, And good for
485
00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:49.079
the fans and good for Darby. I mean he's earned
486
00:24:49.079 --> 00:24:52.680
this that when you have a title reign that people
487
00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:54.759
are buying into a presentation of the product that people
488
00:24:54.759 --> 00:24:58.039
buy into a belt that is treated as the singular
489
00:24:58.039 --> 00:25:00.799
most important belt even though they have a lot. And
490
00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:02.640
you you are Derby, you're an original, you paid your
491
00:25:02.720 --> 00:25:04.839
dues and you earn respect and you work that hard,
492
00:25:05.119 --> 00:25:07.720
You're gonna get a chant because fans are into you
493
00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:09.480
and what you're doing in the story. You're in Burston.
494
00:25:09.920 --> 00:25:11.920
People aren't just gonna do the communal chance for a
495
00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:14.720
move and it is a more of a peak fan experiences.
496
00:25:14.839 --> 00:25:17.759
As I often say, very often say Joshua back to you.
497
00:25:21.880 --> 00:25:24.920
Yeah, just so you know, Ashville is nestled in the mountains,
498
00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:27.319
as you probably saw. So if you're not hearing me,
499
00:25:27.400 --> 00:25:29.759
it's because I'm in the mountains of North Carolina. Just
500
00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:34.200
if you lose me, that's uh. But yeah, Darby got
501
00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:38.240
an amazing reaction, like after seeing Osprey and Adam Copeland
502
00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:40.319
the Hometime Boy come out, Like, I didn't think Darby
503
00:25:40.359 --> 00:25:42.160
would measure up to that.
504
00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:45.839
But he got at least equal to.
505
00:25:45.799 --> 00:25:49.160
Say Osprey, which I thought was a great move for
506
00:25:49.240 --> 00:25:52.160
Darby because like he's local. But yeah, a lot of
507
00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:55.000
people are into Derby, and yet probably the most merchandise
508
00:25:55.079 --> 00:25:57.720
I saw was actually Darby Stoke, which is interesting.
509
00:25:58.240 --> 00:26:02.680
Yeah. Cool. We'll talk about the heat don Kallis Scott
510
00:26:02.839 --> 00:26:05.599
and the direction to Takeushta, how that evolved or changed
511
00:26:05.599 --> 00:26:06.559
depending on the context.
512
00:26:08.559 --> 00:26:11.160
Yeah, So when Takesha came out, he got a pretty
513
00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:15.359
good reaction because we all know Takesha is basically a babyface,
514
00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:17.839
but he still comes with callous I don't know if
515
00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:21.039
you got the f don Kallas f I chant it
516
00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:25.440
was not sustained, but it did happen for the record
517
00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:30.519
and yeah, so basically, yeah, people were way behind Darby
518
00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:35.240
even though they liked Takesha, although obviously Don Kallas got
519
00:26:35.440 --> 00:26:38.559
more booze than anybody else on the entire show, probably,
520
00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:42.160
but Takesha also a very good baby face pop.
521
00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:43.960
When he threw the ring away, everybody was really cool
522
00:26:43.960 --> 00:26:46.000
with that, but they still wanted Darby to win.
523
00:26:46.960 --> 00:26:48.960
It's it's just cool. The crowds like, don't win that way.
524
00:26:49.519 --> 00:26:49.680
You know.
525
00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:51.519
It's a mix of don't win that way if you win,
526
00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:53.799
but also we want Derby to win. Talk about him,
527
00:26:53.839 --> 00:26:56.480
Jeff and the crowd direction to him, and just your
528
00:26:56.519 --> 00:26:59.759
thought on seeing him live in a relatively intimate setting.
529
00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:02.799
I saw him in Saint Paul a couple of months ago.
530
00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:05.920
You know, there's a ring presence to him that when
531
00:27:05.960 --> 00:27:09.039
he comes out, he is framed as and carries the
532
00:27:09.039 --> 00:27:14.279
the the important position that every company needs a being
533
00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:16.480
coming across as a big star on TV. But also
534
00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:19.640
in person, what did you think, because sometimes someone gets
535
00:27:19.640 --> 00:27:23.279
pushed they're like, yeah, I don't know, what do you
536
00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:25.839
think of him in person? With kind of the momentum
537
00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:28.079
and the refinement of a seal character this year compared
538
00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:28.599
to pastors.
539
00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:32.960
Yeah, so I'll give you a quick yantadoke on that.
540
00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:36.079
So, like, right after the match ended, a lot of
541
00:27:36.319 --> 00:27:39.160
with Darby defended and successfully, a lot of people got
542
00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:41.359
up and left. It's like they forgot there was gonna
543
00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:44.079
be a They didn't actually announce that at any point,
544
00:27:44.359 --> 00:27:47.079
but some of us remembered, and like a lot of
545
00:27:47.119 --> 00:27:50.200
people left, and as soon as MBAs music hit or
546
00:27:50.240 --> 00:27:53.119
when Darby yelled, it, like people just started running back.
547
00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:54.000
Into the interesting.
548
00:27:54.319 --> 00:27:57.319
So you know, like this kind of gives you an.
549
00:27:57.200 --> 00:28:00.799
Idea, Like people want to see MJF and yeah, he
550
00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:06.240
gets a completely heel reaction, and yeah, I thought he
551
00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:08.680
came across great as a big star. So people still
552
00:28:08.680 --> 00:28:10.640
want to see him, but they also want to boo
553
00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:13.599
him because they don't like him. We got a little
554
00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:16.519
bit of the cheap heat with the small penis North
555
00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:19.759
Carolina people, but I'm driving back to South Carolina with
556
00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:21.720
my average stuff, so I didn't really.
557
00:28:21.519 --> 00:28:22.279
Take a break of that.
558
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:25.160
But that got some good heat, I guess for the
559
00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:25.880
local crowd.
560
00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:30.240
Dude, I'm in North Carolina right now. I live here.
561
00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:34.720
Sorry to hear that too.
562
00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:39.319
I did a double take when m jeff I'm like, oh,
563
00:28:39.319 --> 00:28:40.960
and then you want to look at the crowd, and
564
00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:43.680
you know there's gonna be there's gonna be somebody who
565
00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:46.759
stands up and goes, I got evidence you are wrong
566
00:28:46.839 --> 00:28:49.119
and I'm from here. Uh, you're you're asking for it
567
00:28:49.160 --> 00:28:49.680
if you do that?
568
00:28:50.519 --> 00:28:52.039
All no comment?
569
00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:55.039
Yes, all right?
570
00:28:56.640 --> 00:28:56.880
Cool.
571
00:28:56.920 --> 00:28:59.160
Well let's let's let's let's go back through some of
572
00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:01.000
the some of the show. Actually, what I want to
573
00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:03.839
start with is what did anything happen off air before
574
00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:05.599
the show? After the show. I'm always curious about Tony
575
00:29:05.640 --> 00:29:07.480
CON's speech and if he promises a pay per view
576
00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:10.319
and says it's the greatest city and it's his favorite town,
577
00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:13.359
he's getting a little better about that. What did he
578
00:29:13.359 --> 00:29:14.519
speak to the crowd and how'd that go?
579
00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:16.440
Hey?
580
00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:18.759
Did he came out before the show? A couple of
581
00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:20.960
minutes before the show? I was cutting it close. I
582
00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:23.480
literally bought my ticket at seven fifty five and walked
583
00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:27.960
right in. But like Tony came out and he's like, hey,
584
00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:29.559
I love being back in Ashville, and he kind of
585
00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:31.480
reminisced about the last time they were here for the
586
00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:34.680
Max opening. But he didn't promise the pay per view
587
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:36.400
or he didn't even promise to come back. But he
588
00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:38.759
did say the crowd is going to be the star
589
00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:41.240
of the show. So I'm assuming the telecast started out
590
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:44.200
just panning across the crowd because they made a stand up.
591
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:45.640
And start chanting and stuff.
592
00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:47.839
But yeah, I started with Pyro on the stage, which
593
00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:50.079
is never a good sign as far as crowd size goes.
594
00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:54.319
You know, it's it's the equivalent of, you know, you
595
00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:55.599
go on a date and they're like, how'd it go,
596
00:29:55.680 --> 00:29:57.759
and they're like, well, they have a good personality if
597
00:29:57.759 --> 00:29:59.640
it's a blind date. There's not blind date it's anymore,
598
00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:01.880
but you always know what something it looks like. But
599
00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:04.319
you know, it's like, this crowd has a good personality,
600
00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:08.400
but not great size. I mean quantity of people when
601
00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:11.319
I say size. When they start with the shot of
602
00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:12.720
the pirate on the stage and then they do the
603
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:15.200
close up shots of everybody, But there was energy there.
604
00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:18.680
I mean no, there's definitely energy there. One might see
605
00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:21.839
a big blank energy. Okay, I'm done.
606
00:30:24.039 --> 00:30:27.720
Well, Like literally, the hard camera side was completely tarped off,
607
00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:29.799
so everybody in that building was on camera.
608
00:30:29.920 --> 00:30:34.839
Basically, oh wow, yeah, okay, anything else happened off camera
609
00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:39.119
that you want to observe the crowd or dark matches
610
00:30:39.240 --> 00:30:40.440
or yeah anything.
611
00:30:40.519 --> 00:30:42.240
Yeah, like I said, I show up a little late,
612
00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:44.559
but it was mostly just justin Robert screwing around with
613
00:30:44.599 --> 00:30:47.799
the crowd and stuff. Although when did the show actually
614
00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:49.079
go off of the air.
615
00:30:50.079 --> 00:30:52.960
After the beat down by mjeff of Darby after the
616
00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:53.680
contract signing?
617
00:30:54.759 --> 00:30:57.200
Okay, did did Kevin Knight come out to save him?
618
00:30:58.119 --> 00:31:00.640
It was then you didn't miss anything. That was the
619
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:01.559
last thing that happened.
620
00:31:01.599 --> 00:31:05.039
All right, all right, cool, let's what you think of
621
00:31:05.079 --> 00:31:08.160
the opener, the ten man tag spot fest that went
622
00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:10.880
fifteen minutes that the Bucks and Christian Copland Cassidy won.
623
00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:15.200
I mean they're getting a lot out of the Christian Nobucks.
624
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:17.759
Don't do the stereo superkick. I have an idea and
625
00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:20.359
then it's a kick to the crotch. I assume that
626
00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:23.160
got a pop. But yeah, in Copland, this was his town.
627
00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:25.559
This was his hit man to the crowd pop for him.
628
00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:27.640
So yeah, what's stood out to you being at the
629
00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:28.240
being there in person.
630
00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:32.920
Yeah, obviously he got a massive pop on his entrance
631
00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:34.680
and he got a huge pop when he finally got
632
00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:41.519
the hot tag. This match was the crowd was into it,
633
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:44.240
like from the get go.
634
00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:54.440
So I feel like on collision kind of.
635
00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:01.720
We are losing Joshua because of the mountains a bit,
636
00:32:03.640 --> 00:32:06.240
josh you probably can you hear me? Are you gonna
637
00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:08.240
leave the mountainous area that you might have just driven
638
00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:11.319
into or are you just entering it?
639
00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:12.319
It's all mountain up.
640
00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:14.119
I can hear you, I think, and you can't hear me.
641
00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:16.400
You are back, We're back to hearing you. We had
642
00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:19.640
a momentary breakup, so of it. But go ahead and
643
00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:21.680
kind of restart your thoughts on that match.
644
00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:27.240
No, just saying it was really awesome in person. The
645
00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:30.839
crowd was in it from beginning to end. Copeland over huge. Yeah,
646
00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:32.799
really fun match. I'm just saying I don't know how
647
00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:34.599
it came across on TV. I think I would have
648
00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:41.359
been bored by it on TV, but live is very involved.
649
00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:44.480
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Torch VIP. What'd you think of it, Chris, I didn't
667
00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:29.599
ask you yet.
668
00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:32.279
I actually had a lot of fun with it. Maybe
669
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:35.079
I could I could see where where Joshua you were
670
00:33:35.079 --> 00:33:38.000
coming from, But I felt like they actually did some
671
00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:40.839
really interesting camera work and had did a pretty good
672
00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:44.079
job of highlighting everybody's action and nothing felt to me
673
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:47.240
at least overwhelming and too chaotic on camera.
674
00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:52.920
Joshua, did you react? Did the crowd get to see
675
00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:55.359
the segment with Osprey and the death Riders on the
676
00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:55.880
big screen?
677
00:33:59.079 --> 00:33:59.480
We did it?
678
00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:01.640
Yes, yeah, what you what did you think of it?
679
00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:03.359
And how the was a crowd glued to the screen
680
00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:05.000
or bored by it or couldn't hear it, like kind
681
00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:06.480
of describe the scene there, because that was a pretty
682
00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:08.239
lengthy segment. That's trying to watch a big screen.
683
00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:11.880
It was although I mean I don't I didn't see
684
00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:15.360
anybody go to the bathroom and nobody It was miked correctly.
685
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:16.599
Everybody could hear it pretty well.
686
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:22.280
I personally appreciate kind of Professor John Moxley, m h give.
687
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:25.079
You know, that's always good.
688
00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:27.360
Yeah, so I thought even in the arena, I thought
689
00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:28.559
it whatever pretty well.
690
00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:30.880
People were into Oscar anyway, so that helps.
691
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:35.280
Yep, yep, all right, So Speedball winsay squash match Red
692
00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:38.599
Hot Dynamite when you say that against Westbrook? But Chris
693
00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:41.280
and and first and then in the jusment, did Westbrook
694
00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:43.760
slip or did he pretend to slip to try to
695
00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:45.760
get an advantage because I just couldn't tell between the two.
696
00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:46.719
He recovered pretty quick.
697
00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:50.079
I think he I think he botched looking at his
698
00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:52.920
face when he was on the apron, like jitimately out
699
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:55.239
of breath is what what I like? Had the wind
700
00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:56.079
knocked out of him.
701
00:34:56.320 --> 00:34:59.800
Yeah, Joshua, did you pick up on that in any interpretation?
702
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:04.320
Yeah? Now that got pretty good laughs in the arenas.
703
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:06.840
I I had assumed he was doing that on purpose
704
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:09.039
because he otherwise looked pretty graceful.
705
00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:10.199
But yeah, I know.
706
00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:15.760
The indie scene. Yeah, so but go ahead and and
707
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:21.079
uh talk about uh Speedball's popularity and then compared to
708
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:23.920
Kevin Knight and their interaction with the Brian Cage match,
709
00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:25.199
those two kind of float into each other.
710
00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:30.159
Yeah, I mean this was the kind of the middle
711
00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:30.639
of the show.
712
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:32.840
I mean, we're anywhere near as hot as for the
713
00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:35.840
main event obviously or the opener, but people like Speedball,
714
00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:39.119
people like Kevin Knight. That match seemed like it dracked
715
00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:42.000
a little bit with Knight Brian Cage, who was I
716
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:44.599
guess we're supposed to be excited he's back, but al
717
00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:48.639
though the heel, so we don't like him. I was
718
00:35:48.719 --> 00:35:52.719
hoping for a switch played Ja White return. So neither
719
00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:55.920
Mark Risco nor Brian Cage was impressive for me.
720
00:35:56.679 --> 00:36:02.719
But I think the crowd they like spotball work. He
721
00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:03.719
was the a night match.
722
00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:05.480
He was running around trying to get the crowd into
723
00:36:05.480 --> 00:36:07.880
it because they were not as into that match as
724
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:08.360
maybe they.
725
00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:08.760
Could have been.
726
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:14.000
Uh No, elaborate more on will Ospray and A's Austin, Joshua.
727
00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:16.440
In terms of crowd reaction to Ospray, you said it
728
00:36:16.519 --> 00:36:18.960
was right there with Darby and Copeland.
729
00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:24.360
Yeah, so you were you were happy about the Darby
730
00:36:24.440 --> 00:36:27.519
chant earlier. This I'm sure you noticed kind of this
731
00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:30.079
is awesome and an a dub and I think maybe
732
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:31.840
another this is awesome chant.
733
00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:32.559
Yeah.
734
00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:37.159
I think Ace has really done well for himself lately,
735
00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:40.840
and like he's had a couple of matches lately and
736
00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:42.920
he's always looked good, but he's always losing, like kind
737
00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:46.559
of like tonight. But I think the crowd ended up
738
00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:49.719
really getting behind Ace Austin, even though I think everybody
739
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:52.440
in the building knew Osprey was gonna win, wanted Ashbrey
740
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:56.400
to win. I think Ace Austin really looked good at
741
00:36:56.480 --> 00:36:58.960
least in the building. He started getting the crowd chanting
742
00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:02.159
for him and behind him at although the ending of
743
00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:04.320
that match kind of came out of nowhere. I don't
744
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:08.199
think anybody's expecting for Osprey to get a submission when
745
00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:09.039
with an armbar.
746
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:14.840
They played that up on commentary Joshua and saying that
747
00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:16.679
that is a result of the of the training of
748
00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:18.639
the Death Writers could Excalibur City and never want a
749
00:37:18.679 --> 00:37:22.280
match to his recollection, which I will trust by he
750
00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:27.039
never won by submission before. So yeah, they wanted to
751
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:29.079
tell the story that he has a new bag, a
752
00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:30.199
new trick in his bag.
753
00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:34.639
That's cool. I appreciate them telling stories. Did it tell
754
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:34.920
us that?
755
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:41.800
Yeah? Yeah, all right, Somemoa Joe and his two of
756
00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:45.159
his crew came out and guilt gave Osprey a guilt
757
00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:47.199
trip for not siding with them and said now he'll pay,
758
00:37:48.159 --> 00:37:51.039
and then the Death Writers had Osprey's back. Did did
759
00:37:51.039 --> 00:37:54.280
this seem to you, Joshua? The moment that the Death
760
00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:59.440
Riders really solidified being as close to classified as babyfaces
761
00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:02.239
as they had yet in the story coming to the
762
00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:04.599
aid of somebody who they seemed to genuinely be wanting
763
00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:07.960
to help, and it wasn't just a training session, but
764
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:09.280
it's we're there, we got your back.
765
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:12.239
Yeah.
766
00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:15.920
I mean that will apparently forever be muddied because we
767
00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:19.159
just had Pack nearly killing Darby on Saturday trying to
768
00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:23.239
win the title. But this was a yeah, basically a
769
00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:26.159
pure baby face reaction when their music played and they
770
00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:30.320
came out to get Austrai's back. There was dobooz No,
771
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:32.880
not that it was all cheers everybody. It's like, yes,
772
00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:35.840
the Death Writers right here, which is an insane reaction
773
00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:37.760
to have if you would have went back like six
774
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:38.280
months ago.
775
00:38:41.159 --> 00:38:42.000
Uh, Chris, what do you.
776
00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:49.119
Think thoroughly enjoyed it? The iconography is telling the story too.
777
00:38:49.239 --> 00:38:52.119
A lot of them came out and more white than normal, right,
778
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:54.159
they wrote in and that that way the sort of
779
00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:57.920
white night thing. All along, I've been wondering, you know,
780
00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:01.360
is this just a tough up of Osprey right? What's
781
00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:04.519
the purpose of a professor mox I love that, Joshua,
782
00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:07.639
thank you. What's the purpose of that? But maybe the
783
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:11.400
purpose all along has also been to finally turn the
784
00:39:11.559 --> 00:39:15.800
entire stable of the Death Riders babyface. I mean, John
785
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:20.239
Moxley's been functioning as a pseudo Babyface. So it's telling
786
00:39:21.559 --> 00:39:23.880
multiple stories and I'm really interested in it.
787
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:29.239
Very good. How did the crowd run to the concourse
788
00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:35.760
for the conglomeration segment or did they stick around for that? Joshua, Yeah, I.
789
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:38.559
Mean I stuck around for it, but I didn't necessarily
790
00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:40.159
think that was a good decision on my part.
791
00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:41.960
Right now, I really wish I would have stopped went
792
00:39:41.960 --> 00:39:45.039
to the bathroom. It's dead. But yeah, the people pop
793
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:46.920
up and Mark Briscoe showed back up.
794
00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:48.679
I mean people like Mark Briscoe, so he got a
795
00:39:48.679 --> 00:39:51.840
good reaction when he showed back up on screen. But yeah,
796
00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:55.480
the people were kind of that was a otherwise. I
797
00:39:55.480 --> 00:39:57.239
don't know how much injury as they were, but brisco
798
00:39:57.280 --> 00:39:58.760
at least gets a good, strong reaction.
799
00:39:59.719 --> 00:40:04.239
Yeah, and then the women's six women tag match winsor
800
00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:07.760
Hater Sheheeto win by TQ A rare. If you think
801
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:09.559
it's rare for Osprey to win by submission, it is
802
00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:12.800
rare for aw to do a DQ finish. That's been
803
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:14.760
a up kind of part of their mantra from the beginning.
804
00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:18.760
What was the crowd reaction for this? Did the crowd
805
00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:21.800
was a crowd into any the women in general, or
806
00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:24.239
one or two or three or four in particular.
807
00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:30.239
Trench one.
808
00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:33.320
So was the section I was sitting in, was me,
809
00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:34.960
a couple of guys, and there's like a group of
810
00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:36.559
been there and they were kind of into the show
811
00:40:36.599 --> 00:40:38.400
most of the time. But when this match started, all
812
00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:40.320
the women got off their phones. They started recording it
813
00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:43.159
and yelling. In my head, I'm like, oh, that makes sense.
814
00:40:43.480 --> 00:40:45.400
The women are up for the women's match. I guess
815
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:50.320
that makes perfect sense. Yeah, it was I don't know.
816
00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:53.840
I think everybody was cheering. Everybody like Techla and her
817
00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:57.079
group got a strong reaction coming out, and then they
818
00:40:57.159 --> 00:40:59.559
cheered for the baby Faces too, although this was still
819
00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:02.480
kind of uh, I don't want to say a bathroom break,
820
00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:04.639
but like they were not up for this as they
821
00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:07.800
were everything else. Although I'm sure you appreciate this. The
822
00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:12.960
crowd food faciferously at the DQ. They did not like that.
823
00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:14.880
They really wanted to see an end to the match,
824
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:17.599
So I think the fact that they never did do
825
00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:24.440
DQ's is actually paying off in that way.
826
00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:26.000
A good point of all times. Why do you think
827
00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:28.079
they did a DQ finished Chris in this one?
828
00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:29.880
Uh?
829
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:35.039
To me, this match, while fun, was was exhibition in
830
00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:37.559
some ways just to get a bunch of the women
831
00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:39.840
on the show and also, I mean to further the tension.
832
00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:44.400
So a DIQ you finish ensured that nobody looked bad,
833
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:48.119
that everybody could enter the four way plus with the
834
00:41:48.159 --> 00:41:52.039
same kind of aura and feel. Uh. It highlighted the
835
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:56.519
dirty trickster nature of TEKLA. That's that's what I got.
836
00:41:57.159 --> 00:41:58.719
I just think every once in a while referee should
837
00:41:58.760 --> 00:42:00.800
catch the use of a fourn op like you want
838
00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:04.280
you want the there to be competent stopping cheating. And
839
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:08.039
if you're not catching people cheat ever because you don't
840
00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:10.719
want to do DQ's, you're actually kind of undercutting the
841
00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:14.559
credibility of the enforcement system within your company. And then
842
00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:17.000
if you go back and review the tape, if you're
843
00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:18.960
Tony Kahan and you're like, man, we're not catching any
844
00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:20.599
of this, maybe we need to add referees or do
845
00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:23.039
something here. They caught it. The heels paid a price.
846
00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:25.840
I am not an absolutist when it comes to DQ finishes,
847
00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:28.639
and I don't think people should be upset by this.
848
00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:31.559
It was not a throwaway tag, but it wasn't like
849
00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:33.880
a centerpiece tag or was a cop out finish. I
850
00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:36.480
think the DQ, I don't think they would have had
851
00:42:36.519 --> 00:42:39.199
a problem with just about anybody losing in a match
852
00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:40.760
like this. You can have chaos, you can make it
853
00:42:40.760 --> 00:42:43.960
a roll up, you can just have it be somebody
854
00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:46.719
who's lower on the on the total postol to speak, losing,
855
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:50.159
I mean they're all kind of semi even. I guess
856
00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:52.440
maybe you know, Juli or Sky would have been designated
857
00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:54.119
to lose if they wanted the Heels to lose, of course,
858
00:42:55.880 --> 00:43:00.000
but the idea of putting heat on techlt Or really
859
00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:01.800
established he's a heel. I think it's part of what
860
00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:06.239
they wanted to do here, and so it served a purpose.
861
00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:07.760
It wasn't a cop out like we don't want someone
862
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:09.519
to do jobs, therefore we're going to those are the
863
00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:11.719
DQ's that hurt the most, or when it's the third
864
00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:13.920
DQ of the show, or when they do DQ's all
865
00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:16.480
the time. It wasn't any of those things. So I just,
866
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:18.360
you know, don't have a hard and fester rule against
867
00:43:18.519 --> 00:43:22.440
something if there are occasions that you can sprinkle it
868
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:28.920
in and it actually works out better. Yeah, So, Joshua,
869
00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:30.760
anything else you want to add on that match?
870
00:43:33.159 --> 00:43:33.360
Yeah?
871
00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:35.800
No, I'm just I'm with you guys and Chris, like
872
00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:38.679
you said, anybody could have Like sky Blue I assumed
873
00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:41.639
was gonna take the pin, but the DQ finish actually
874
00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:44.559
does more for Tackler than her partner getting pinned with this,
875
00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:48.119
So yeah.
876
00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:50.000
Joshua, anything else you want to send our way?
877
00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:50.960
I don't think so.
878
00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:59.159
The merch table was as aw Stritian singular backed up
879
00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:04.559
and with very few items, like eight like eight different shirts.
880
00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:05.639
It's just kind of weird.
881
00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:07.840
Like they had like a couple of Darby shirts, which
882
00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:10.239
of course like an AW shirt. They had like a
883
00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:13.760
Champion shirt and a Tecla shirt. They had a very
884
00:44:13.840 --> 00:44:16.480
expensive Osprey jersey and that was like, yeah, it was
885
00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:18.719
just such a weird I don't know how they decide
886
00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:20.119
what to break.
887
00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:24.400
Yeah, yeah, it's it's weird. It's someone someone needs to
888
00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:27.679
ask Tony Kahan that question, and so maybe I will
889
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:29.440
if I get a chance, Like what's up with the
890
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:31.079
merch what's your philosophy?
891
00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:31.440
You know?
892
00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:32.559
Cool?
893
00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:34.119
Joshua, thank you so much.
894
00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:38.559
All right, Yeah, of course I'll probably talk to you again.
895
00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:40.760
I'm going to SmackDown on Friday, so I'm having a
896
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:41.719
wrestling week here.
897
00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:45.679
Sweet fun to compare the two. Well hear from you, then,
898
00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:51.400
thanks Joshua. Check out Joshua White's Collision TV reports at
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00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:54.360
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934
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the conversation or regular here. Sean, welcome, good to see you.
935
00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:41.199
Yeah, good to be on.
936
00:46:41.239 --> 00:46:42.840
Good to talk to aw It's been been a while.
937
00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:44.599
I don't get to do it very often, so it's Sean.
938
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:47.079
Sorry, there's something about you that's older.
939
00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:51.840
That's just mean. Why would you do something like that?
940
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:55.440
He just turned He just turned a certain age. Nobody
941
00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:57.719
believes it because he genuinely looks younger than the age
942
00:46:57.719 --> 00:46:59.639
he claims did you hear.
943
00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:01.760
Did you what have you heard when I was on
944
00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:02.440
the last time?
945
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:02.920
No?
946
00:47:03.199 --> 00:47:05.239
Huh was it your fortieth or something?
947
00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:05.960
Forty five?
948
00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:10.360
Forty five? All right, brother, forty five? Nice man? No,
949
00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:13.239
you look you other than me. I'm forty, so you're
950
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:14.280
rocking it. Yeah.
951
00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:17.280
For Sean, when when Chris said, what'd you turn forty?
952
00:47:17.320 --> 00:47:19.880
You should have said what I just turned thirty.
953
00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:26.719
I don't have the good wit that some people do.
954
00:47:26.800 --> 00:47:28.159
I'm like Josh who has a good wit.
955
00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:28.840
I don't have the.
956
00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:30.960
Wit that he does, so I you know, but I
957
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:34.320
will say way to be fair. Uh, you did say
958
00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:36.440
that I don't watch as much AW. I do watch
959
00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:38.559
a lot of AW. The only AW I don't watch
960
00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:40.920
his collision at times because I just don't have time.
961
00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:43.800
And it's just, you know, I watch every Dynamite every week.
962
00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:46.000
I watch every I've missed like one or two pay
963
00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:47.719
I missed like two pay per views. I think there
964
00:47:47.719 --> 00:47:49.760
were two where I just said, I'm not going to
965
00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:51.320
pay that kind of money to watch it. I just
966
00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:53.559
didn't think it did enough, you know, for me, whatever
967
00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:54.159
it was, but.
968
00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:56.800
So I wanted to It's what's my statement factually correct?
969
00:47:56.800 --> 00:47:58.679
You haven't seen as much a w as draws as
970
00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:02.320
that that that's fair exactly if so, I want you
971
00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:04.519
to say that, and I was right. I was fair.
972
00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:07.199
But it is good to come in and say it's
973
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:09.800
not like you don't watch very much. Your opinions matters.
974
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:12.960
What you're trying to say. You've seen enough, the vast majority.
975
00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:15.719
The fact that you haven't watched every minute a collision
976
00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:18.480
should not mean your opinions don't carry weight. So to
977
00:48:18.559 --> 00:48:21.760
your defense, I appreciate it. So basically I was right
978
00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:22.559
and you were right.
979
00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:26.360
I m referee.
980
00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:29.119
Oh no, Chris, it's good to be on with man.
981
00:48:29.159 --> 00:48:29.800
It's been a while.
982
00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:32.199
Yeah, yeah, I'm doing all right.
983
00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:32.519
Brother.
984
00:48:33.119 --> 00:48:36.239
Well, so I'm gonna be quite a contrarian tonight. And
985
00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:39.360
not because again I like aw I want them to
986
00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:42.679
do well. I I just have a lot of different views.
987
00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:44.360
I've listened to your shows every week. I you know,
988
00:48:44.400 --> 00:48:48.519
I keep up. I just so my thing with Darby.
989
00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:52.360
I hear what you guys have been saying about how
990
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:55.679
you can respect what he's done, trying to make the
991
00:48:55.719 --> 00:48:57.880
title feel you know, big, and trying to make it
992
00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:00.639
you know, and trying to build to that the to me,
993
00:49:01.320 --> 00:49:04.119
you don't have to to me, what is fine if
994
00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:07.000
you're like surprised every once in a while. To me,
995
00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:09.320
this was not the time to do it. In my opinion,
996
00:49:09.400 --> 00:49:12.000
this was not the time to say, Hey, we're gonna
997
00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:12.719
switch things up.
998
00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:14.880
We're gonna put a title on Darby.
999
00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:17.360
Who as much as I like him as a I
1000
00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:20.280
think he seems like a cool dude. He really really does.
1001
00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:23.599
He's not main event to me. He doesn't feel like
1002
00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:25.960
a main eventor to me, they never built him really
1003
00:49:26.079 --> 00:49:28.719
up to be a main eventor and I think when
1004
00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:30.800
they put the title on him, yes, it was quick,
1005
00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:32.920
but I think it hurt a lot of things.
1006
00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:35.159
I think him squashing MJF was not the way to go.
1007
00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:37.719
If you're gonna have Darby win the championship, I think
1008
00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:40.360
he should have had a long built up match where
1009
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:41.760
Mjf's beating him down.
1010
00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:44.079
If you're gonna tell that story, tell that story.
1011
00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:46.639
Don't just have Darby just beat him out of thin
1012
00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:49.000
air and low blow him like he did and do
1013
00:49:49.119 --> 00:49:52.599
three Coffin drops and that's it. Mjf's been squashed both times,
1014
00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:56.079
he's lost the title both times. It did not help
1015
00:49:56.239 --> 00:49:58.559
MJF in any way. Yes, he gets his heat back
1016
00:49:58.679 --> 00:50:02.119
because he's MJF. He has a great heel character. But
1017
00:50:02.840 --> 00:50:04.639
I just didn't think they built to it. I think
1018
00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:06.039
they should have built to it more than they did.
1019
00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:09.000
It didn't have to be a long year story, but
1020
00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:10.719
it had to be something to me more than what
1021
00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:11.159
they did.
1022
00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:13.800
And Chrish, like you said, Sting gave it away.
1023
00:50:13.559 --> 00:50:15.280
That he was gonna win. It was just obvious that's
1024
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:17.480
what was gonna happen. And I was down on it
1025
00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:19.159
to begin with, and I'm still down on it. I
1026
00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:23.320
don't think just because Darby's doing this world title defense
1027
00:50:23.360 --> 00:50:25.760
every week, I don't want the world title defended every week.
1028
00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:27.320
I don't care if it's him or anybody.
1029
00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:29.679
I think the world title should be on special shows.
1030
00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:32.320
A Dynamite every once in a while is okay, But
1031
00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:35.519
every week on Dynamite to me, I know that. And
1032
00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:38.119
I'll go back to Takesha to really quick because I
1033
00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:40.079
know that match happened, and it wasn't supposed to happen.
1034
00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:42.800
Obviously Okada was supposed to be the guy. Even if
1035
00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:45.519
it was Okada, it would have been bad because Okada
1036
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:47.239
just all of a sudden one week said I want
1037
00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:49.440
the title and he's just gonna wrestle for it the
1038
00:50:49.440 --> 00:50:50.239
next week and lose.
1039
00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:54.239
I don't think that helps anything. And then Takeshta, Yes,
1040
00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:57.559
he battered Darby down, which to me doesn't feel sympathetic.
1041
00:50:57.599 --> 00:51:00.000
Darby's taking these crazy bumps, which I don't get sympathy
1042
00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:02.920
behind him because he's just taking these crazy bumps to
1043
00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:05.079
take crazy bumps, and he's trying to tell a story.
1044
00:51:05.079 --> 00:51:07.639
I get that, understand it, not for me.
1045
00:51:08.280 --> 00:51:10.880
And so when Takesha is beating him within a bloody
1046
00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:14.960
pulp and Darby withstands all this and wins, it hurts Takeshta,
1047
00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:18.239
it does. It hurts Ta Keshta. And then what is
1048
00:51:18.239 --> 00:51:20.400
he gonna do? Guys, to be fair, he's gonna go
1049
00:51:20.440 --> 00:51:24.079
to double or nothing. He's going to win the international championship,
1050
00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:27.159
and so he's already going down to a lesser title.
1051
00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:29.039
He just lost the big one. He's gonna all of
1052
00:51:29.039 --> 00:51:29.639
a sudden go down.
1053
00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:31.920
We're gonna buy him winning an international title, which to
1054
00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:34.840
me doesn't mean anything on TV. I mean, they just
1055
00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:38.159
have Ocatta defended against random people that don't build up
1056
00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:40.519
to anything. They just they're there to take a loss,
1057
00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:43.079
and that's what they do with titles. They just nobody
1058
00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:45.360
gets a title shot, or people get a title shot.
1059
00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:45.800
For no reason.
1060
00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:48.000
They don't explain another and who he got some wins
1061
00:51:48.039 --> 00:51:51.199
on roh. Who cares he's gonna lose? Then we're gonna
1062
00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:53.679
forget about him. I just don't think they've built to
1063
00:51:53.719 --> 00:51:55.960
this very well. And even though I like Darby as
1064
00:51:56.000 --> 00:51:59.000
a person, I don't. I'm not against him in general.
1065
00:51:59.039 --> 00:52:00.960
I just I'm against them as a main eventor And
1066
00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:03.400
I don't think this story is well told because again,
1067
00:52:03.920 --> 00:52:05.280
when he won the TNT title, they.
1068
00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:07.800
Just told the same story. It was the same Ezach story,
1069
00:52:08.480 --> 00:52:10.400
and it's not any different to what they did then.
1070
00:52:10.760 --> 00:52:12.920
So we got Mark pisquetting your side, Sean. I agree, Sean,
1071
00:52:12.960 --> 00:52:15.719
I've never been this disinterested in the aw title scene.
1072
00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:18.280
Put the TNT title on Darby. He should not be
1073
00:52:18.440 --> 00:52:22.360
the world champion three times, Zach Bart put it back
1074
00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:25.000
on him. Zach Barber says, well, Sewn, everyone can't plod
1075
00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:26.960
through a forty minute match and hit only six moves
1076
00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:31.079
like Roman reigns. Chris, what do you have to say
1077
00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:31.440
to Sean.
1078
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:38.559
I don't disagree, I really don't. For I totally agree
1079
00:52:38.639 --> 00:52:42.559
with with the reduction of titles. They've got to find
1080
00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:45.199
a way to make them more meaningful, and the international
1081
00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:50.480
one is almost meaningless. So I agree there. What I
1082
00:52:50.559 --> 00:52:54.039
what I don't agree with Holly is the idea that
1083
00:52:54.079 --> 00:52:57.800
somebody like Derby shouldn't be world champ. The story to me,
1084
00:52:57.920 --> 00:53:01.760
is told in the way that that makes it credible,
1085
00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:05.599
and that everybody knows that he could not out wrestle
1086
00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:08.960
some of the people that he's that he's out wrestled
1087
00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:12.320
in that way physically, he can't overpower them. I bought
1088
00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:15.800
the m JF match because it was it was a
1089
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:18.639
low blow on somebody who's been using low blow after
1090
00:53:18.679 --> 00:53:19.840
low blow after low blow.
1091
00:53:20.159 --> 00:53:22.440
He's to face though it's supposed to be a face.
1092
00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:26.960
Yeah, yeah, he's a face. But but the weapons of
1093
00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:29.880
my enemy sometimes are the weapons that that we're called
1094
00:53:29.880 --> 00:53:33.760
to use, right, that's to me the philosophy there. Does
1095
00:53:33.800 --> 00:53:38.119
it make it okay? No, not necessarily in the traditional dynamic.
1096
00:53:38.440 --> 00:53:43.719
But he's punk rock, right, He's he's chaotic in that sense.
1097
00:53:44.440 --> 00:53:50.760
So I bought that. The Takeshta match is the biggest
1098
00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:57.639
stretch for me, but I can buy it. Yeah, it
1099
00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:00.639
does stretch believability at some points, but I I'm okay
1100
00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:01.000
with that.
1101
00:54:02.280 --> 00:54:04.280
Yeah, I mean, like Kevin Knight.
1102
00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:07.320
I mean I know why they're trying to why they
1103
00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:08.960
did the Kevin Knight things or trying to build him
1104
00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:10.639
up a little bit, and I mean I get it, but.
1105
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:12.559
He still just has a tant title.
1106
00:54:12.599 --> 00:54:15.159
And and even with the Open Challenge, I'm over the
1107
00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:17.079
Open Challenge. They do it all the time and in
1108
00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:19.000
both promotions, they just do it too much.
1109
00:54:19.039 --> 00:54:22.280
It's I can call him rare, Greg Parks row to
1110
00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:23.960
call him on that last week on Peter Tor just
1111
00:54:24.039 --> 00:54:26.679
going we're leaning into it too much. I think Darby
1112
00:54:26.719 --> 00:54:28.800
is a great use of it. I think Obafemi is
1113
00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:32.000
a troublesome use of it because who's going to challenge Ova?
1114
00:54:32.440 --> 00:54:35.199
The idea of Darby don't open challenge serves two purposes. One,
1115
00:54:35.480 --> 00:54:37.840
it explains why all these people are getting title shots,
1116
00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:42.239
and Derek Mitchell doesn't like it. But uh, let's see
1117
00:54:42.280 --> 00:54:43.440
is this a quote. I'm not a big Darby fan,
1118
00:54:43.480 --> 00:54:44.599
but I feel like his tutle rain of bodies?
1119
00:54:44.599 --> 00:54:44.880
Who he is?
1120
00:54:44.920 --> 00:54:46.679
How many times his world title been defended on a
1121
00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:52.400
weekly basis? But he added earlier maybe it wasn't him.
1122
00:54:52.559 --> 00:54:56.639
Well anyway, somebody had commented that there were too many
1123
00:54:56.679 --> 00:54:59.800
people getting title shots without justification. But the open challenge,
1124
00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:02.960
that's in order to tell the story they're telling Darby.
1125
00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:04.519
Whether you like it or not, the open challenge is
1126
00:55:04.559 --> 00:55:05.679
the way to do it because it don't makes sense,
1127
00:55:05.719 --> 00:55:09.119
don't economy handing out title shots to all these people officially,
1128
00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:16.960
So the open challenge champions amplifies draws attention to Darby, going,
1129
00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:19.119
I've got this fighting spirit. I am going to defend
1130
00:55:19.159 --> 00:55:22.599
this title, not how the number of days I held
1131
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:24.440
it or the number of months or years, but how
1132
00:55:24.440 --> 00:55:27.639
many title defenses. And I get no time to prep
1133
00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:29.880
for who my opponents are or very little time, I
1134
00:55:29.920 --> 00:55:33.119
get no time to recover like most champions. That's his story,
1135
00:55:33.159 --> 00:55:36.599
that fits his character. This is probably you couldn't design
1136
00:55:36.639 --> 00:55:39.000
an a laboratory Sean a better example of the use
1137
00:55:39.039 --> 00:55:41.039
of an open challenge for a world champion than this.
1138
00:55:41.239 --> 00:55:44.960
But you can say fine, but I don't think a
1139
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:46.840
world title should ever be part of an open challenge,
1140
00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:48.239
even if this is the best way to do it.
1141
00:55:48.440 --> 00:55:50.159
And I don't think Darby should be champion because he's
1142
00:55:50.199 --> 00:55:52.480
not credible and he does stuff that's too dangerous. Therefore
1143
00:55:52.480 --> 00:55:54.800
he shouldn't be world champion. You can absolutely have that opinion.
1144
00:55:55.079 --> 00:55:58.639
But open concept, open challenge concept, this I think is
1145
00:55:58.639 --> 00:56:01.559
a great use of it Oba Femi. I mean what,
1146
00:56:01.719 --> 00:56:05.599
it's only going to be fools like Tazawa or else
1147
00:56:05.760 --> 00:56:07.599
what you know, the guy who's eventually going to beat
1148
00:56:07.639 --> 00:56:09.760
him or or or take him on. But it's not
1149
00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:11.840
It doesn't make sense that people are just gonna go, yeah,
1150
00:56:11.920 --> 00:56:13.719
let me take on obah Femi. You don't have enough
1151
00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:17.480
credible opponents to feed to Oba to get squashed. But
1152
00:56:17.559 --> 00:56:19.639
then why would anyone volunteer to do it unless they
1153
00:56:19.639 --> 00:56:23.159
were assigned the job, like like Westbrook was with Westbrook
1154
00:56:23.239 --> 00:56:27.280
was his name, where jobbers are just assigned Westbrook or
1155
00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:31.119
just what Yeah, I guess I'm like, no, not Westbrook, Westbrook.
1156
00:56:32.280 --> 00:56:34.440
You're assigned by the company. You know, here's your opponent. Okay,
1157
00:56:34.519 --> 00:56:37.159
But open challenge meets you' volunteering, So this works. This
1158
00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:39.199
is everybody's going I got a shot against this guy.
1159
00:56:39.239 --> 00:56:42.280
He's getting beat up. He's small. I can win a
1160
00:56:42.280 --> 00:56:43.639
world title. I'll have my moment.
1161
00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:46.719
But I think it hurts the people he's facing too, though,
1162
00:56:46.719 --> 00:56:49.159
because if you're telling the story of he's wrestled five
1163
00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:52.559
times in twenty one days and Takeshta can't beat him
1164
00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:54.719
as good as they're building up to Keshta. I think
1165
00:56:54.760 --> 00:56:56.760
that hurts Takeshta. It wasn't a meaning.
1166
00:56:56.800 --> 00:56:58.639
They weren't supposed to have the match. I know that.
1167
00:56:58.719 --> 00:57:00.639
I understand they were going to go with a Kada,
1168
00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:02.320
but it hurts Okada too, just as much as a
1169
00:57:02.360 --> 00:57:05.159
hurst Ta Queshta. Like, if you're trying to build that,
1170
00:57:05.239 --> 00:57:06.480
you're hurting the people.
1171
00:57:06.199 --> 00:57:09.039
He's beating because you're saying they can't beat this guy
1172
00:57:09.239 --> 00:57:13.000
after he's been in five ludicrous matches where he's taking
1173
00:57:13.039 --> 00:57:16.360
all these ridiculous bumps for twenty minutes, thirty minutes.
1174
00:57:16.480 --> 00:57:18.519
Especially Saturday, I saw the highlights of it.
1175
00:57:18.599 --> 00:57:21.320
I mean, he took ridiculous bumps and he's still be
1176
00:57:21.320 --> 00:57:22.800
his pack who were supposed to cheer now all of
1177
00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:24.119
a sudden. But that's a whole notion, so we'll get
1178
00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:28.079
to that in a minute. I just it just Derek
1179
00:57:28.159 --> 00:57:30.119
wanted to he said something in the chat. I don't
1180
00:57:30.119 --> 00:57:31.800
take offense to him. I just take offense to the
1181
00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:35.119
word he's saying. I have venom against aw. I don't
1182
00:57:35.119 --> 00:57:37.920
have venom, Derek, I don't have venom. I'm just stating
1183
00:57:38.000 --> 00:57:40.639
my opinion, that's all. It's not venom against anyone. I
1184
00:57:40.639 --> 00:57:42.800
don't hate anyone. I don't have any venom.
1185
00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:44.880
I don't send you have venom. I think you have
1186
00:57:45.039 --> 00:57:48.800
opinions that in Aw presents a product that doesn't serve
1187
00:57:48.840 --> 00:57:50.440
what you look for as a prosing fan as much
1188
00:57:50.480 --> 00:57:52.320
as others. But it's great that you watch it and
1189
00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:54.039
you're here to talk about it. I think it's helpful.
1190
00:57:54.559 --> 00:57:56.760
No, no, thank you. It means a lot. And then,
1191
00:57:57.840 --> 00:58:00.079
so that's my thought on that. I want to go
1192
00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:02.360
to the Osprey Moxley, because I have so many thoughts
1193
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on that. I I I'm just I disagree with you.
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I just I don't like this story. I don't. I
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just don't think Osprey.
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00:58:12.280 --> 00:58:15.639
So Moxley's trying to, you know, kill him basically for
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a long time, and all of a sudden, Osprey just
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wants to go and follow everything he's saying and wants
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to get behind him and wants That's why they don't.
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00:58:23.360 --> 00:58:25.679
They didn't cheer Osprey like they normally do because they're
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00:58:25.719 --> 00:58:29.000
they're torn because who cares about the death Riders? To me,
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00:58:29.079 --> 00:58:31.320
I don't care about them. They're a faction that's gone
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00:58:31.519 --> 00:58:34.480
way too long, way too long. Of the shelf life,
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00:58:34.679 --> 00:58:37.320
against the Dogs, the Callus family, all these people that
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00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:39.400
we just we don't know what to think about them.
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00:58:39.400 --> 00:58:40.760
We don't know how if we want to cheer them
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00:58:40.840 --> 00:58:43.480
or boo them. And also we're supposed to cheer everybody.
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00:58:43.519 --> 00:58:45.039
I don't want to cheer Daniel Garcia.
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00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:45.400
I don't.
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00:58:45.639 --> 00:58:48.119
That character is just it's not a good character for me.
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00:58:48.159 --> 00:58:50.000
I don't. I don't get into it. I don't like it.
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00:58:50.440 --> 00:58:52.559
Pack is fine, but I don't. He's a heel.
1213
00:58:52.599 --> 00:58:55.079
I don't want to cheer him. Marina, her character has
1214
00:58:55.119 --> 00:58:57.400
been all over the place. She loses matches she shouldn't
1215
00:58:57.400 --> 00:59:00.480
be losing. And I just I want to get behind
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00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:03.840
Osprey and to me, this whole neck thing in Max
1217
00:59:03.960 --> 00:59:05.800
getting his neck back in shape and oh, I'm going
1218
00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:08.119
to tell you you're supposed to give it all or what.
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00:59:08.199 --> 00:59:09.480
I don't even know what he said. I can't remember
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00:59:09.519 --> 00:59:11.800
the exact words and the promo outside.
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00:59:11.320 --> 00:59:14.960
But I just don't like. This story doesn't make any
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00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:15.480
sense to me.
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00:59:15.559 --> 00:59:16.960
I know they're trying to go with the I think
1224
00:59:17.000 --> 00:59:18.920
the Rocky when he got beat up by Apollo and
1225
00:59:18.920 --> 00:59:20.960
all of a sudden, Apolo's on his side and he's training him.
1226
00:59:20.960 --> 00:59:23.320
I think that's what they're going with here. It just
1227
00:59:23.320 --> 00:59:24.840
doesn't make sense in the story to me.
1228
00:59:24.880 --> 00:59:26.760
That haven't made it make sense yet, and I hope
1229
00:59:26.760 --> 00:59:30.239
they do because I just even though it's compelling, like
1230
00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:32.239
I think a lot of w B segments can be, this,
1231
00:59:32.519 --> 00:59:33.760
it's not making sense to me.
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00:59:33.840 --> 00:59:35.440
It's I'm not hiding it.
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00:59:35.840 --> 00:59:37.960
So Sadler says, yeah, Grishan here, if someone breaks your neck,
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00:59:38.000 --> 00:59:39.719
you should never follow their lead. They should basically be
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00:59:39.880 --> 00:59:43.320
enemies forever. And that I think there's something I think
1236
00:59:43.320 --> 00:59:45.760
that's a weak point in the story. Zach Barbara says
1237
00:59:45.760 --> 00:59:47.920
Osprey did get here, and also Osprey explain that sometimes
1238
00:59:47.920 --> 00:59:49.000
you have to do things you don't want to do
1239
00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:51.000
to get to where you want to go. Chris, how
1240
00:59:51.039 --> 00:59:51.719
do you feel about this?
1241
00:59:53.000 --> 00:59:56.920
I agree that that again, some plundering the Egyptians is
1242
00:59:56.960 --> 00:59:59.599
a phrase I like to use, right, Like taking advantage
1243
00:59:59.679 --> 01:00:03.320
of the tools of your enemy is sometimes a necessary
1244
01:00:03.440 --> 01:00:06.840
thing to do. And they're telling several of these stories
1245
01:00:06.840 --> 01:00:09.320
at once. Maybe at least the way I'm looking at
1246
01:00:09.360 --> 01:00:13.199
it it is, I don't know if I would follow
1247
01:00:13.239 --> 01:00:17.039
someone's lead who attempted to break my neck so violently. However,
1248
01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:26.119
I recognize that that Mox is entering into this phase
1249
01:00:26.199 --> 01:00:31.039
of like being this weird father figure in AW almost
1250
01:00:31.760 --> 01:00:35.199
in a positive sense, unlike Christian Cages want to be
1251
01:00:35.320 --> 01:00:41.320
your daddy. Right. Linking these two people up makes sense
1252
01:00:41.360 --> 01:00:43.960
to me as a like a passing of a torch
1253
01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:46.239
in some ways. And that's what this feels like to me,
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01:00:47.000 --> 01:00:52.039
is one ace building up another ace. So I'm okay
1255
01:00:52.039 --> 01:00:55.320
with it in that sense. It might feel a little rushed,
1256
01:00:55.360 --> 01:00:57.960
and I think that's a criticism that I would have
1257
01:00:58.079 --> 01:01:01.239
with a lot of AW story. It could stand a
1258
01:01:01.320 --> 01:01:04.199
tad bit more building, but I guess I just don't
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01:01:04.239 --> 01:01:06.360
need it for this one.
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I think the bumpy ride we've been on with the
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Death Riders is may I think has They're cool, they're intense,
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01:01:57.679 --> 01:01:59.719
they come across as stars, they come across as as
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01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:03.400
to each other, loyal to a cause. But it's been
1277
01:02:03.480 --> 01:02:05.760
a mess of a story in terms of the heal
1278
01:02:05.800 --> 01:02:11.320
face construct it. It hasn't helped that people just you know,
1279
01:02:11.400 --> 01:02:13.079
kind of like Moxley no matter what. But he's with
1280
01:02:13.079 --> 01:02:14.880
a bunch of people who people don't want to like,
1281
01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:17.840
don't like it, don't want to like. So there's it is.
1282
01:02:17.920 --> 01:02:20.320
It's a mess in certain ways. And I don't think
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01:02:20.320 --> 01:02:24.800
that they're cleansing this Death Rider gimmick of that with
1284
01:02:24.840 --> 01:02:29.519
this story. The idea that Osprey has been through a lot,
1285
01:02:29.800 --> 01:02:33.599
and he's got a group behind him in a grizzled
1286
01:02:33.639 --> 01:02:39.199
father figure, big brother figure in Moxley giving him the motivation,
1287
01:02:39.280 --> 01:02:42.119
and he's motivated, but the sort of the wisdom and
1288
01:02:42.480 --> 01:02:46.320
the a belief of people who believe in him giving
1289
01:02:46.360 --> 01:02:49.920
him very specific advice when he has been after his comeback,
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01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:52.280
selling out the idea that he his neck is bad
1291
01:02:52.280 --> 01:02:54.559
and he's in rough shape. They're not telling the story.
1292
01:02:54.679 --> 01:02:57.159
Look at him. He's doing next stretches. He's learning submission
1293
01:02:57.199 --> 01:02:58.719
holes that he can do even if he can't fly
1294
01:02:58.920 --> 01:03:02.679
or doesn't want to fly. There's logic here in the
1295
01:03:02.840 --> 01:03:06.039
moment to embrace. It's kind of like the Fat too
1296
01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:10.599
reins build up, where Okay, a lot of mixed signals here,
1297
01:03:10.639 --> 01:03:12.159
I don't know what. It's a continuation, a lot of
1298
01:03:12.239 --> 01:03:14.519
kind of murky stuff that doubt who's booking. But as
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01:03:14.559 --> 01:03:15.880
I said in the week or two leading up to it,
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01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:17.719
and I think it's going to clear up. It's a
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01:03:17.880 --> 01:03:20.400
necessary path. It could have been cleaned up and done better,
1302
01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:23.119
I would argue, but it wasn't gonna be perfect because
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01:03:23.159 --> 01:03:25.039
you didn't want to show your hand that fat two is.
1304
01:03:26.159 --> 01:03:30.320
Presumably some people still aren't sure turn heel after losing
1305
01:03:30.360 --> 01:03:33.639
to rains at backlash. A lot of people like Fatou
1306
01:03:33.679 --> 01:03:35.159
better with the actions he's taken. But that's a whole
1307
01:03:35.519 --> 01:03:38.440
that's a whole other topic, whole different show. But This
1308
01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:39.760
is one of those things where you're like, yeah, it's
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01:03:39.800 --> 01:03:41.039
kind of a mess, get in there, but you know what,
1310
01:03:41.079 --> 01:03:43.920
there's something about what they're doing now. Ry one two
1311
01:03:44.000 --> 01:03:45.880
one one says the death Rider Moxie face trend was
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01:03:45.880 --> 01:03:48.400
wait as hell. Thus the crowd are still unsure who
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01:03:48.800 --> 01:03:52.960
is what and who to cheer for. Fan Bless says
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01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:54.760
I'm with you, Sean, the death Writer suck in. This
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01:03:54.840 --> 01:03:57.760
ambiguous baby face trend is never more glaring than here,
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01:03:58.159 --> 01:04:02.239
and Roman Jacob it is part of a trend that's
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01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:06.280
not great. I really went off on it on Monday's
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01:04:06.360 --> 01:04:10.400
Rap Post show, really laid out you know why the
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01:04:10.440 --> 01:04:14.039
baby facial construct, when done right, not done in the
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01:04:14.039 --> 01:04:16.280
worst way. You can imagine as some sort of you know,
1321
01:04:16.360 --> 01:04:18.920
straw man counter to my argument. But when you do
1322
01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:20.599
it right, when you pick people who fans like, and
1323
01:04:20.599 --> 01:04:22.519
you pick theop fans don't like, and you create that
1324
01:04:22.559 --> 01:04:26.360
structure and tell that story consistently, you get peak fan experiences.
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01:04:26.440 --> 01:04:31.360
And AW is messing with that. However, AW gives off
1326
01:04:31.360 --> 01:04:35.960
more of a sports vibe to their show. And if
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01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:38.079
you can, if you can look past they try to
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01:04:38.079 --> 01:04:39.800
break his neck, If you can look past the death
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01:04:39.800 --> 01:04:42.400
threat of past actions and go, you know what, there's
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01:04:42.440 --> 01:04:46.320
something about this that is consistent with them, because Moxley
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01:04:46.400 --> 01:04:53.639
believes in something, and that something includes helping Osprey come
1332
01:04:53.679 --> 01:04:57.559
back and beat MGF and his crew can help make
1333
01:04:57.559 --> 01:04:59.480
that happen. And you can say it's a little selfish
1334
01:04:59.519 --> 01:05:01.880
on him part because he figures maybe he'll be o
1335
01:05:02.000 --> 01:05:04.599
to favor or he'll get credit or whatever. We can
1336
01:05:04.639 --> 01:05:08.239
get into all of that when when the story comes
1337
01:05:08.480 --> 01:05:11.599
uh Derek says, mister uh So, Moxley is mister Miyagi
1338
01:05:11.719 --> 01:05:14.400
to Will's Daniel LaRusso from The Karate Kid.
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01:05:16.400 --> 01:05:18.480
I don't think Osprey needs that. He's great on his own.
1340
01:05:18.480 --> 01:05:20.159
I don't think he needs mox to help him win.
1341
01:05:20.360 --> 01:05:23.159
I mean Osbrey was so frigging over like a year ago.
1342
01:05:23.320 --> 01:05:26.199
He doesn't need Mox. I get the next stuff. But
1343
01:05:26.760 --> 01:05:28.760
they've just focused too much on the next stuff to me,
1344
01:05:28.800 --> 01:05:30.800
I guess I just want Osprey to be himself.
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01:05:30.800 --> 01:05:32.880
And they were telling a great story to begin with.
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01:05:32.920 --> 01:05:34.519
I don't know why they had to mudd it with
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01:05:34.559 --> 01:05:36.119
all the people involved in all.
1348
01:05:36.119 --> 01:05:37.960
Some of it. Sehn. I tell you this a lot,
1349
01:05:38.000 --> 01:05:40.199
and it doesn't mean it should, just that it should
1350
01:05:41.239 --> 01:05:43.840
mute your thoughts in the process, but always keep that
1351
01:05:43.920 --> 01:05:46.519
asterisk to the side, which is, I don't know the
1352
01:05:46.559 --> 01:05:50.440
full story they're telling, and so there's a possibility that
1353
01:05:50.480 --> 01:05:54.280
you'll be like, Okay, back in mid May, I was
1354
01:05:54.320 --> 01:05:56.800
against this, but you know what I said, there was
1355
01:05:56.840 --> 01:05:58.719
no purpose and I didn't see the reason. Well, they
1356
01:05:58.719 --> 01:06:00.840
didn't tell me the purpose. They didn't show me the
1357
01:06:00.880 --> 01:06:03.440
reason yet. But it got to a place that now
1358
01:06:03.480 --> 01:06:06.039
I believe in more and I still have some issues
1359
01:06:06.079 --> 01:06:08.000
with it, but we just haven't seen the full story yet.
1360
01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:12.000
We are critiquing a book that were, you know, one
1361
01:06:12.079 --> 01:06:13.840
hundred and twenty pages into thrand of page book right
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01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:16.400
now on the Moxley death writer thing. So let's before
1363
01:06:16.440 --> 01:06:20.800
we get to heels dug in. Let's talk about We
1364
01:06:20.840 --> 01:06:22.920
can talk about it, but the caveat being maybe maybe
1365
01:06:22.920 --> 01:06:24.480
this will make more sense when they when we give
1366
01:06:24.519 --> 01:06:26.840
them the chance to tell the full story. Zach Barber says.
1367
01:06:26.840 --> 01:06:29.239
The idea is that Osprey, being obsessed with revenge was
1368
01:06:29.320 --> 01:06:32.320
making him reckless. It's poetic that the object of his
1369
01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:35.760
revenge is the person getting through to him. So do
1370
01:06:35.800 --> 01:06:37.719
you like the poetry of that, Chris? Do do you
1371
01:06:37.719 --> 01:06:39.599
buy that that's the story that's coming through on TV.
1372
01:06:40.440 --> 01:06:43.760
Yeah. Yeah, I'm a philosopher, right, that's what I do
1373
01:06:43.880 --> 01:06:47.079
for fun. And there's there's this phrase that that that
1374
01:06:47.119 --> 01:06:50.400
I learned. The person who you have the biggest problem
1375
01:06:50.440 --> 01:06:53.880
with is your buddha is your teacher, right and and
1376
01:06:54.199 --> 01:06:59.039
and mox is Osprey's Buddha, and he's going to be
1377
01:06:59.079 --> 01:07:01.679
the one to help him transcend. That's how I that's
1378
01:07:01.679 --> 01:07:03.760
how I look at it from a from like an
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01:07:03.840 --> 01:07:07.559
archetype story, from a from a character perspective. And what
1380
01:07:07.559 --> 01:07:10.760
what I need for it to be satisfying is or
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01:07:10.840 --> 01:07:14.360
what I hope is that Osprey ends up submitting Moxley
1382
01:07:14.960 --> 01:07:17.599
without giving into the revenge, but does it in a
1383
01:07:17.599 --> 01:07:23.000
way that receives the teaching and transcends him in that moment,
1384
01:07:23.119 --> 01:07:27.320
right and has this package, this new set of tools
1385
01:07:27.320 --> 01:07:31.079
and perhaps this not even a different presentation. But if
1386
01:07:31.079 --> 01:07:33.480
it doesn't end up with some kind of moment like
1387
01:07:33.559 --> 01:07:37.719
that where he does get the clear, definitive win over Max,
1388
01:07:37.800 --> 01:07:40.480
then that would be too muddy of a story for me.
1389
01:07:42.880 --> 01:07:46.880
We'll get to his email, uh in its entirety in
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01:07:46.920 --> 01:07:52.000
a moment, but JB and Detroit commented on the Osprey thing.
1391
01:07:52.360 --> 01:07:55.480
Mox seems to be messaging to Osprey that well, his dynamic,
1392
01:07:55.559 --> 01:07:58.119
high flying style has gotten him very far, he still
1393
01:07:58.119 --> 01:08:01.480
hasn't achieved winning the AW World title. A more grounded,
1394
01:08:01.559 --> 01:08:05.719
in between moose style maybe benefiting might benefit Ospray inside
1395
01:08:05.760 --> 01:08:08.559
and outside k Fabe, and Mox is a perfect carrier
1396
01:08:08.599 --> 01:08:11.199
at the message. I'm loving the breadth and depth of
1397
01:08:11.280 --> 01:08:13.639
this story, Sean.
1398
01:08:14.519 --> 01:08:17.079
I mean, well, we'll see where it goes. I haven't
1399
01:08:17.119 --> 01:08:18.960
trusted AW hasn't.
1400
01:08:18.720 --> 01:08:21.159
Like trusted me to like go far with these stories
1401
01:08:21.159 --> 01:08:23.720
to where I really dig into them and believe them.
1402
01:08:23.800 --> 01:08:25.920
So they got a lot to prove to me. We'll
1403
01:08:25.960 --> 01:08:26.399
we'll see.
1404
01:08:26.439 --> 01:08:28.560
I mean, I don't think it's been good so far,
1405
01:08:28.680 --> 01:08:30.960
but I could be wrong, you know, And I'm I'm
1406
01:08:31.000 --> 01:08:32.399
open to the possibility of.
1407
01:08:32.399 --> 01:08:34.039
It going really well in the end.
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01:08:34.039 --> 01:08:36.000
And why I don't know why Mox would also want
1409
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Ospre to win the title either, and Max should.
1410
01:08:37.600 --> 01:08:38.880
Be well, we gotta figure that that that we got
1411
01:08:38.960 --> 01:08:41.720
to wait and see more, you know, Other than he
1412
01:08:41.720 --> 01:08:43.600
would rather he'd like to mold somebody who's going to
1413
01:08:43.680 --> 01:08:45.880
represent this sport he cares so much about in his image.
1414
01:08:45.880 --> 01:08:48.000
If he thinks that they can be the centerpiece of
1415
01:08:48.039 --> 01:08:50.199
it since MGF is not that. Derek Mitchell in the
1416
01:08:50.239 --> 01:08:51.560
chat said, I'm not a death Right as fan, but
1417
01:08:51.560 --> 01:08:54.119
Max has been more digestible since losing the AW world
1418
01:08:54.199 --> 01:08:57.800
title and the briefcase uh RAI says there's over two
1419
01:08:57.880 --> 01:08:59.239
or more pages and death riders.
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01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:00.199
Oh.
1421
01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:05.560
Brother Zach Barber said also Osprey adapting his in ring
1422
01:09:05.720 --> 01:09:09.560
style to include more submission based offense in addition to
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01:09:09.600 --> 01:09:12.279
a standard flying around the ring is good for his longevity.
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01:09:12.800 --> 01:09:15.319
Yeah, and I agree with that, But I do think
1425
01:09:15.880 --> 01:09:17.960
and you've said it before, Wade, and I agree. I mean,
1426
01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:20.159
AW just kind of has these every match is going
1427
01:09:20.199 --> 01:09:23.520
to be fifteen minutes. Yeah, I mean A's Austin is talented,
1428
01:09:23.520 --> 01:09:26.039
but he shouldn't be going fifteen minutes with well Osprey.
1429
01:09:26.239 --> 01:09:27.159
I'm sorry, I just.
1430
01:09:27.079 --> 01:09:28.840
Don't think it should be going that long. And I
1431
01:09:29.000 --> 01:09:30.680
you know, but that's what they do. I mean, I
1432
01:09:30.760 --> 01:09:32.239
you know, I just have to believe that's what they're
1433
01:09:32.239 --> 01:09:34.079
gonna do. And you have to just buy in that
1434
01:09:34.079 --> 01:09:35.640
that's what they're going to whether we're gonna tell the
1435
01:09:35.640 --> 01:09:38.319
story and they're going to go fifteen minutes and you
1436
01:09:38.319 --> 01:09:39.199
don't like it, it is.
1437
01:09:39.119 --> 01:09:39.560
What it is.
1438
01:09:40.000 --> 01:09:42.960
And the lore of aw we have a low now
1439
01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:46.439
they've been around long enough, is it is not easy
1440
01:09:46.479 --> 01:09:48.760
to win in under ten minutes. No matter what. If
1441
01:09:48.800 --> 01:09:51.520
you're on our roster, you're good enough to compete for
1442
01:09:51.520 --> 01:09:54.600
at least ten minutes. We don't hire people, they don't
1443
01:09:54.720 --> 01:09:56.680
stay around if they can't last at least ten minutes
1444
01:09:56.720 --> 01:10:00.680
with anyone. That's the story they've chosen to tell. Now
1445
01:10:01.399 --> 01:10:03.439
is it good for business when you know who's going
1446
01:10:03.479 --> 01:10:07.520
to win ninety nine out of one hundred times in
1447
01:10:07.600 --> 01:10:10.479
an ACE Austin situation to ask the fans to invest
1448
01:10:10.479 --> 01:10:15.359
fifteen minutes. That's a separate argument. But in terms of
1449
01:10:15.399 --> 01:10:18.880
the structure of the show, A should lose sooner. I
1450
01:10:19.239 --> 01:10:24.199
don't think that's fans have been conditioned to believe he's
1451
01:10:24.239 --> 01:10:27.319
going to lose, But it won't be soon because that's
1452
01:10:27.319 --> 01:10:31.359
not how it works unless you're Westbrook, and.
1453
01:10:31.560 --> 01:10:34.079
I'm just saying it was Westbrook.
1454
01:10:34.159 --> 01:10:38.439
So yeah. So I mean, should they build up opponents
1455
01:10:38.479 --> 01:10:41.119
before they go a long time mid carters, before take wrested,
1456
01:10:41.159 --> 01:10:43.119
before they go a long time with the top singles wrestler.
1457
01:10:43.399 --> 01:10:46.840
Should they give them more momentum, more of a sense sure,
1458
01:10:46.920 --> 01:10:48.479
but how do you do that and hold your audience?
1459
01:10:48.479 --> 01:10:50.239
Do we want to see Ace Austin against the mid
1460
01:10:50.279 --> 01:10:54.800
Carter going fifteen minutes? You could put that on collision
1461
01:10:55.520 --> 01:10:58.279
and then talk about it during his ring entrance and
1462
01:10:58.279 --> 01:11:01.800
show highlights. Here are five recent wins a'ce Austin boom
1463
01:11:01.920 --> 01:11:04.760
boom boom, boom boom on his way to the ring.
1464
01:11:04.840 --> 01:11:07.800
You take twelve seconds or sixteen seconds, you show him
1465
01:11:07.920 --> 01:11:11.039
winning arm raised, arm raised, arm raised, arm raised, arm race,
1466
01:11:11.079 --> 01:11:14.840
You show who those opponents were, or you don't people. Yeah,
1467
01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:17.119
well true, but you don't have to show, just just
1468
01:11:17.279 --> 01:11:19.159
send the message. This guy is on a roll and
1469
01:11:19.399 --> 01:11:21.039
the announcers are told to do that or they do
1470
01:11:21.079 --> 01:11:24.000
it on their own. Sometimes they try to build up
1471
01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:26.680
the record as counting. So I'm not giving them like
1472
01:11:26.720 --> 01:11:28.640
a degrade on this. I mean, I think it's they're
1473
01:11:28.680 --> 01:11:33.399
consistent and they could do better, but doing better for
1474
01:11:33.439 --> 01:11:37.399
what you want. Sean comes with some matches that will
1475
01:11:37.520 --> 01:11:39.600
drag down minute by minute numbers, So I think Tony
1476
01:11:39.680 --> 01:11:42.079
is smart enough to know he's making some compromises along
1477
01:11:42.079 --> 01:11:46.840
the way here. Yeah, go ahead, christ Yeah, I think.
1478
01:11:46.640 --> 01:11:49.439
He went what eight minutes with Blake Christian a couple
1479
01:11:49.479 --> 01:11:50.039
of weeks ago.
1480
01:11:50.359 --> 01:11:52.479
That was even too long. Oh my god, that was
1481
01:11:52.760 --> 01:11:55.760
way too long. Jeez, Come on, man, really.
1482
01:11:56.399 --> 01:12:01.239
So you know on occasion though, slice and dice when
1483
01:12:01.239 --> 01:12:02.199
the hell's chosen over?
1484
01:12:02.960 --> 01:12:03.079
Uh?
1485
01:12:03.600 --> 01:12:08.840
I like that match? Astin's interesting. I mean he faced Okada,
1486
01:12:09.039 --> 01:12:13.880
had a good showing. They're trying to with him.
1487
01:12:13.960 --> 01:12:16.359
Yeah, ospray Dorsm like, where are you going with this?
1488
01:12:17.119 --> 01:12:17.359
Yeah?
1489
01:12:18.600 --> 01:12:21.920
I'm interested in him. I'm not totally invested in Soul,
1490
01:12:22.000 --> 01:12:22.920
but I am interested.
1491
01:12:23.680 --> 01:12:25.239
They need to get a better photo on their graphics
1492
01:12:25.279 --> 01:12:29.239
on social media on him anyway. Darren Mitchell says there
1493
01:12:29.239 --> 01:12:31.199
are some folks who haven't watched Ace Austin and TEENA,
1494
01:12:31.319 --> 01:12:33.239
So I didn't mind him going fifteen minutes against Osprey
1495
01:12:33.239 --> 01:12:36.560
instead of going fifteen minutes with someone else. Uh, Sean
1496
01:12:36.600 --> 01:12:37.920
anything else you want to bring up. We're not going
1497
01:12:38.000 --> 01:12:38.800
to go too much longer here.
1498
01:12:39.399 --> 01:12:40.640
Yeah, I just want to bring up a couple of
1499
01:12:40.720 --> 01:12:41.439
one big thing.
1500
01:12:42.560 --> 01:12:47.399
The Owen tournament brackets came out for the women's I
1501
01:12:47.720 --> 01:12:50.319
just again my issue is with the women's bracket.
1502
01:12:50.399 --> 01:12:51.560
I didn't really like it at all.
1503
01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:55.680
Honestly, you know, they're doing hazuki who nobody's ever heard of,
1504
01:12:55.840 --> 01:12:58.640
unless you just know everything about wrestling. And the other
1505
01:12:58.720 --> 01:13:01.159
girl that sky Blues face, which we don't know anything
1506
01:13:01.159 --> 01:13:02.920
about her, unless you know a lot about wrestling. Two
1507
01:13:02.920 --> 01:13:05.319
people you don't even know who they are, and you're
1508
01:13:05.359 --> 01:13:07.359
having them in a big tournament like that, I mean
1509
01:13:07.439 --> 01:13:07.880
you have to.
1510
01:13:08.640 --> 01:13:08.960
I don't know.
1511
01:13:09.039 --> 01:13:11.079
They just didn't look like a good tournament. What do
1512
01:13:11.119 --> 01:13:13.319
you guys think about the women's bracket? Especially the men's
1513
01:13:13.319 --> 01:13:15.199
looked a little better because you have Will and Samoa
1514
01:13:15.319 --> 01:13:16.680
Joe going against each other next week.
1515
01:13:16.760 --> 01:13:18.800
That'll be or a double or nothing. That'll be good.
1516
01:13:18.840 --> 01:13:20.960
But I didn't like the brackets, and especially the women's.
1517
01:13:21.279 --> 01:13:24.680
Yeah, top matches in the women's Athena Who's taken on
1518
01:13:24.800 --> 01:13:28.840
Mina Shirakawa in the right grapic graphic bracket to excuse me,
1519
01:13:28.920 --> 01:13:32.439
sky Blue and Serree, Alex Windsor and Will on Nightingale
1520
01:13:32.640 --> 01:13:36.199
and Persa Phone as I call it, perciphony against Kazuki,
1521
01:13:38.439 --> 01:13:43.640
And I mean, it's not start, it's not loaded, but
1522
01:13:43.840 --> 01:13:45.359
I mean the first round they're going to eliminate some
1523
01:13:45.439 --> 01:13:47.840
of them, and they'll be they won't go fifteen minutes
1524
01:13:47.840 --> 01:13:50.439
on dynamite to eliminate them or on pay per view.
1525
01:13:51.640 --> 01:13:53.880
I don't know. Yeah, Chris, what do you think I take?
1526
01:13:53.960 --> 01:13:57.479
I take Sean's point. They had thunder Rosa come out
1527
01:13:57.920 --> 01:13:59.800
with the run and at the end of the tag
1528
01:13:59.880 --> 01:14:03.159
match in face paint. Why isn't she in the bracket? Right?
1529
01:14:03.880 --> 01:14:08.079
She's there? It makes sense. It felt very much like
1530
01:14:08.880 --> 01:14:13.479
an afterthought compared to the men's and the story that
1531
01:14:13.560 --> 01:14:15.279
they're trying to tell, and that we know they're trying
1532
01:14:15.279 --> 01:14:15.560
to tell.
1533
01:14:16.039 --> 01:14:16.520
So it it.
1534
01:14:16.920 --> 01:14:21.720
It doesn't do anything to dispute the allegations that women's
1535
01:14:21.760 --> 01:14:26.880
wrestling and AAW really is uh second class and they
1536
01:14:26.920 --> 01:14:27.760
need to boost it up.
1537
01:14:30.880 --> 01:14:32.239
Uh, Sean, anything else you want to add?
1538
01:14:32.279 --> 01:14:32.439
Quick?
1539
01:14:32.600 --> 01:14:32.760
Yeah?
1540
01:14:32.800 --> 01:14:34.079
The quick, I was said the one.
1541
01:14:34.359 --> 01:14:36.960
Some good things I did, Like, I did enjoy MJF
1542
01:14:37.039 --> 01:14:38.720
coming you know, coming through at the beginning with all
1543
01:14:38.760 --> 01:14:39.439
the ball guys.
1544
01:14:39.560 --> 01:14:40.439
That that was great.
1545
01:14:40.520 --> 01:14:43.960
Even though I hate the stipulation. I hate it because
1546
01:14:43.960 --> 01:14:45.920
it gave it away once again. It just gave away
1547
01:14:45.960 --> 01:14:49.079
the finish, which I hate, But I mean it was fun,
1548
01:14:49.279 --> 01:14:50.399
like that part of it was fun.
1549
01:14:50.439 --> 01:14:51.960
I enjoyed that. I mean, they were all bald and
1550
01:14:52.000 --> 01:14:54.800
it's like, oh gosh, here, what have you done?
1551
01:14:55.520 --> 01:14:59.319
So I wrote in my TV report at pewtorch dot
1552
01:14:59.359 --> 01:15:03.199
com that three things happened here. One, it's massive coincidence
1553
01:15:03.760 --> 01:15:09.479
all the Ball people. Two, they script the show and
1554
01:15:09.560 --> 01:15:11.239
they don't care that we know it, and it was
1555
01:15:11.319 --> 01:15:17.119
done for haha, and they manipulated the scripting for Or,
1556
01:15:17.159 --> 01:15:20.199
they manipulated who was standing backstage and set everybody up
1557
01:15:20.680 --> 01:15:22.560
and didn't want it to be sort of a left
1558
01:15:22.760 --> 01:15:27.119
or people hate MGF so much that they decided collectively
1559
01:15:27.199 --> 01:15:30.119
backstage to gather all the Ball people and set up
1560
01:15:30.159 --> 01:15:33.399
this like Twilight Zone, a universe weird situation for MJFF
1561
01:15:33.479 --> 01:15:37.359
going ball bo bo bo bo bo like and in
1562
01:15:37.520 --> 01:15:39.680
messing with him. I'm going with option three, and it's
1563
01:15:39.680 --> 01:15:42.079
good enough for me. It's good enough for me. JB
1564
01:15:42.159 --> 01:15:44.079
from Detroit I mentioned his email. He said, I thought
1565
01:15:44.079 --> 01:15:45.720
the ball bit opening the show when MGFF saw a
1566
01:15:45.720 --> 01:15:47.840
bunch of bald employees and wrestlers actually worked. Sure, it
1567
01:15:47.920 --> 01:15:49.439
might have been too cute by nature, but I think
1568
01:15:49.479 --> 01:15:51.600
that it's reasonable enough to think someone might have been
1569
01:15:51.640 --> 01:15:54.640
playing a rib on him by having the folliclely challenged
1570
01:15:55.439 --> 01:15:57.640
stand around him as he entered the building. It was
1571
01:15:57.760 --> 01:15:59.520
also legitimately funny.
1572
01:16:00.840 --> 01:16:03.800
Chris, what do you think totally loved it. I'm going
1573
01:16:03.880 --> 01:16:09.000
with option three. Ricochet was there waiting to rib him
1574
01:16:09.000 --> 01:16:12.279
even more. I love the idea that they hate him
1575
01:16:12.359 --> 01:16:15.319
so much. They were just they all were there on purpose,
1576
01:16:15.439 --> 01:16:18.319
with one purpose in mind. Now, do you think there's
1577
01:16:18.399 --> 01:16:20.840
any chance he loses and shaves his head.
1578
01:16:21.520 --> 01:16:22.399
I'm not rolling it up.
1579
01:16:23.239 --> 01:16:26.239
I mean hair plugs almost reck right, Yeah.
1580
01:16:26.279 --> 01:16:28.760
Yeah, yeah. Jerick Mitchell says for those wondering, shaved hair
1581
01:16:28.800 --> 01:16:31.640
follicles are transplanted into the deep, permanent layers of the scalp,
1582
01:16:32.000 --> 01:16:34.279
meaning shaving only cuts the hair shaft above the skin,
1583
01:16:34.560 --> 01:16:37.760
not through it itself. Now, if we hear that if
1584
01:16:37.800 --> 01:16:40.079
you shave your head after hair transplant surgery from Turkey,
1585
01:16:40.720 --> 01:16:43.560
it grows back more naturally. But you have to shave
1586
01:16:43.640 --> 01:16:46.000
it bald and then it'll grow in and it'll grow
1587
01:16:46.119 --> 01:16:49.079
more naturally in the flow and not look in a
1588
01:16:49.199 --> 01:16:51.159
way that has turned into people making fun of him,
1589
01:16:51.199 --> 01:16:54.399
Jeff a little bit. Then I think the ouds go
1590
01:16:54.479 --> 01:16:56.279
way up that he loses because he might want to
1591
01:16:56.319 --> 01:16:58.760
lose his hair because it'll grow back better. I don't
1592
01:16:58.840 --> 01:17:01.079
know that's the case, but for me to enjoy and
1593
01:17:01.159 --> 01:17:03.640
field some suspense in that match. I'm going to tell myself,
1594
01:17:04.520 --> 01:17:07.720
possibly shaving your head is good for regrowth when you
1595
01:17:07.760 --> 01:17:09.600
get a hair trans line. So there we are.
1596
01:17:12.079 --> 01:17:14.359
Oh sorry, good, Chris, now you got well.
1597
01:17:14.359 --> 01:17:15.920
I just want to say one quick thing too before
1598
01:17:15.960 --> 01:17:17.199
you go back to that, because I wanted to get
1599
01:17:17.199 --> 01:17:18.720
one more thing and I forgot.
1600
01:17:18.479 --> 01:17:22.239
About this weight. The women's division is kind of a mess, honestly.
1601
01:17:22.479 --> 01:17:27.960
I the tech what I'm not. I'm waiting to build
1602
01:17:28.039 --> 01:17:30.000
to her. I'm not into her yet, but I'm trying.
1603
01:17:30.159 --> 01:17:32.680
I'm I'm I'm along for the ride with her as
1604
01:17:32.720 --> 01:17:35.239
the champion. But the four way is just thrown together.
1605
01:17:35.399 --> 01:17:38.039
To me, the women's division needs to be defined better.
1606
01:17:38.159 --> 01:17:40.319
It's just to me, it's just a mess along a
1607
01:17:40.359 --> 01:17:42.199
lot of the inner weaving of the women's division. I
1608
01:17:42.239 --> 01:17:43.920
just don't think anybody's built in a very good way
1609
01:17:44.000 --> 01:17:44.239
right now.
1610
01:17:44.319 --> 01:17:45.039
So I wanted to get that.
1611
01:17:45.039 --> 01:17:46.880
Out there and let you guys talk about the MJF
1612
01:17:46.960 --> 01:17:49.560
stuff and where they're going there, and I'll listen and.
1613
01:17:49.560 --> 01:17:51.359
Get in the chat. Always fun being with you guys.
1614
01:17:52.279 --> 01:17:55.840
Yeah, awesome, Chris, talk about that.
1615
01:17:56.079 --> 01:17:58.079
What do you think women's are?
1616
01:17:58.159 --> 01:18:01.479
The women's I'm sorry, women's division. Lets yeah, okay, the
1617
01:18:01.600 --> 01:18:03.920
state of the women's division. Is it a mess? That's shanson.
1618
01:18:04.039 --> 01:18:07.159
The four way match is strange to me that one
1619
01:18:07.279 --> 01:18:10.359
came out of nowhere. You have stat Lander and Cheater
1620
01:18:10.439 --> 01:18:13.960
who are having tension, obviously, but I didn't think that
1621
01:18:14.079 --> 01:18:19.119
that tension would immediately or was a sufficient cause for
1622
01:18:19.199 --> 01:18:21.000
them to be involved in a four way match where
1623
01:18:21.000 --> 01:18:26.159
now they're competing. I absolutely love Techlo, though I think
1624
01:18:26.239 --> 01:18:29.880
her promos are on a different level when it comes
1625
01:18:29.960 --> 01:18:34.520
to like rhetoric, and I'm in awe of her frankly,
1626
01:18:34.640 --> 01:18:37.119
and I wish that I could deliver what I do
1627
01:18:37.479 --> 01:18:40.600
in my daily life in the way that she delivers
1628
01:18:40.640 --> 01:18:46.720
her promos. So I absolutely love her. On top, I
1629
01:18:46.760 --> 01:18:49.720
would like to know again more of what's inside of
1630
01:18:49.800 --> 01:18:52.720
her right she gets that out, I'd like to just
1631
01:18:53.079 --> 01:18:55.359
get more of it out, because I think she's fascinating.
1632
01:18:55.680 --> 01:18:57.239
They do need to clean it up, and they do
1633
01:18:57.359 --> 01:19:00.640
need to have more matches to have a better ratio.
1634
01:19:02.800 --> 01:19:04.720
You know, that last segment you're just listening to and
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01:19:04.840 --> 01:19:06.880
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throughout the week every week. Zach Barber in the chat said,
1649
01:19:48.960 --> 01:19:52.800
I actually agree with Sean, Wow, the women's division feels
1650
01:19:52.800 --> 01:19:55.399
a little disheveled. Techlan is actually working well as a
1651
01:19:55.439 --> 01:19:58.039
He'll champion, and Sean added, Yeah, serviceable but not great.
1652
01:19:58.119 --> 01:20:02.840
Techla feels lessle Sky and Julia Oh, Derek Mitchell. As
1653
01:20:02.840 --> 01:20:04.119
far as M Jeff goes, I'd love to see him
1654
01:20:04.119 --> 01:20:06.319
were a mask for a helmet like previous shaved heel
1655
01:20:06.479 --> 01:20:11.279
shaved head heel wrestlers. Back to women's division. Saddle Division
1656
01:20:11.279 --> 01:20:13.720
three says women's division feels like there's no hierarchy, just
1657
01:20:13.840 --> 01:20:20.560
random title runs. Yeah yeah, Zach says. The biggest problem
1658
01:20:20.560 --> 01:20:22.439
with both Sheet and Willow is there each acting healish
1659
01:20:22.439 --> 01:20:25.279
in their own way, so there's no strong babyface. I mean,
1660
01:20:26.079 --> 01:20:29.880
they commentary said, you know, Sheida is coming back and
1661
01:20:29.920 --> 01:20:31.680
making an impression in the ring, but she's not shaking
1662
01:20:31.720 --> 01:20:34.199
hands and making friends in the locker room. And then
1663
01:20:34.239 --> 01:20:37.399
she abandoned her partners when there was an attack afterwards.
1664
01:20:37.760 --> 01:20:39.760
I think that was just as clear cut as we've
1665
01:20:39.840 --> 01:20:42.000
gotten before. There's no ambiguity there. She's in it for
1666
01:20:42.039 --> 01:20:46.800
herself and acting heelish, which is good, you know. I mean,
1667
01:20:46.840 --> 01:20:49.079
I just think it should be something Everyone looks at
1668
01:20:49.079 --> 01:20:50.720
what she did and goes, that's not how I friends
1669
01:20:50.760 --> 01:20:53.680
acting for me, boo, that's a heel like. It just
1670
01:20:53.800 --> 01:20:56.840
tap into human nature. We all universally want our friends
1671
01:20:56.880 --> 01:20:59.560
to be there if something goes awry and friends showed up,
1672
01:20:59.600 --> 01:21:02.359
but it was Chida, so that's that's what they're doing.
1673
01:21:02.439 --> 01:21:04.880
It's clear Willow's Willow. I'm not going on a rant
1674
01:21:04.880 --> 01:21:07.199
about her, but I think she's been better lately.
1675
01:21:07.880 --> 01:21:13.079
But you show the cheetah heel thing is cool to me. However,
1676
01:21:13.239 --> 01:21:15.439
I would have liked the announcement of the match to
1677
01:21:15.520 --> 01:21:19.399
come after today, right where we had another abandonment when
1678
01:21:19.840 --> 01:21:23.720
in an hour of need. Okay, that makes sense. So yeah,
1679
01:21:23.760 --> 01:21:26.600
I guess the story made for me. Would it need
1680
01:21:26.680 --> 01:21:28.479
to progress that way? Yeah?
1681
01:21:28.479 --> 01:21:31.159
I don't love the overall state of the AW Women's
1682
01:21:31.199 --> 01:21:33.239
division in the way that they present it. You know,
1683
01:21:33.319 --> 01:21:35.119
it gets kind of a token match most of the
1684
01:21:35.159 --> 01:21:39.399
time unless you have Tony Storm and Mercedes Monette present
1685
01:21:39.479 --> 01:21:42.560
and you're pushing new talent. It's not Tony's passion and
1686
01:21:42.640 --> 01:21:44.920
we learned that early in a W. It just isn't
1687
01:21:45.000 --> 01:21:48.479
his passion. But I don't have harsh criticism of it.
1688
01:21:48.680 --> 01:21:53.039
I just I just think it's it's there. It gets
1689
01:21:53.960 --> 01:21:57.720
just enough to be a respectable part of ae W.
1690
01:21:58.000 --> 01:22:02.319
It hits at the bottom end of it's enough, you know,
1691
01:22:02.479 --> 01:22:05.640
Like it's not great, it's not enthusiastic, it's not that
1692
01:22:05.840 --> 01:22:08.520
like the reason they're selling tickets. But there's talented women.
1693
01:22:08.840 --> 01:22:12.039
They they're given TV time on Dynamite in Collision, they
1694
01:22:12.119 --> 01:22:15.760
have stories. They are not keeping the same person on
1695
01:22:15.800 --> 01:22:18.880
top till they're stale. Yeah, I don't know. I mean,
1696
01:22:19.399 --> 01:22:20.239
I'll plug a ring of.
1697
01:22:20.279 --> 01:22:23.199
Honor though I mean, it's aw a Jason, there's some
1698
01:22:23.359 --> 01:22:26.840
incredible women wrest women's wrestling matches and Ring of Honor.
1699
01:22:26.920 --> 01:22:32.039
Tricia Dora has the best lariat of all the lariat tubmen.
1700
01:22:32.560 --> 01:22:35.000
So like there's some good stuff that happens over there.
1701
01:22:35.640 --> 01:22:37.760
Yep, all right, we have two super chests and Derek
1702
01:22:37.800 --> 01:22:40.359
Mitchell and then I'll finish with JB. From Detroit's email,
1703
01:22:41.760 --> 01:22:44.560
Derek says a logical with Ospray and t d are
1704
01:22:44.680 --> 01:22:47.399
the Death Riders? Where is Alex winsor in the storyline.
1705
01:22:47.399 --> 01:22:49.560
There was no acknowledgement from her after what was kidnapped?
1706
01:22:49.920 --> 01:22:52.439
Why hasn't she questioned what Will is doing with the
1707
01:22:52.560 --> 01:22:58.800
Death Riders? They've alluded to it. It kind of feels
1708
01:22:58.800 --> 01:23:01.479
like it's a set of Becky's thing where they're in
1709
01:23:01.520 --> 01:23:04.359
a relationship, but they are not obligated as professionals at
1710
01:23:04.439 --> 01:23:08.159
work to be brought into those situations. I think the
1711
01:23:08.239 --> 01:23:10.159
timing of her promo was bad when the Death Writers
1712
01:23:10.199 --> 01:23:12.880
first carried well out. Unless the Death Writers had tipped
1713
01:23:12.880 --> 01:23:16.760
her off and said, Hey, Alex, don't worry, right buddy,
1714
01:23:16.760 --> 01:23:19.159
you gonna believe him. You're gonna be at ease enough
1715
01:23:19.159 --> 01:23:21.479
to cut a promo and start making new friends. Timing
1716
01:23:21.560 --> 01:23:23.000
wasn't good on that. I think the AW would take
1717
01:23:23.039 --> 01:23:25.800
that back if they thought its true. But I mean,
1718
01:23:26.000 --> 01:23:28.479
she might be having private conversations with Will. I don't
1719
01:23:28.560 --> 01:23:31.479
see it as glaring, but I don't think if AW
1720
01:23:31.600 --> 01:23:34.199
hadn't thought about that and Derek's bringing it up, they
1721
01:23:34.279 --> 01:23:36.159
might go, Okay, maybe we should address that next week.
1722
01:23:36.199 --> 01:23:40.359
What do you think? Right, it's a fair point. She
1723
01:23:40.920 --> 01:23:44.399
was involved with the United Empire kind of run in
1724
01:23:44.520 --> 01:23:50.640
that happened, and then has left the orbit, left Osprey's orbit,
1725
01:23:51.000 --> 01:23:53.560
and it is weird that they acknowledged it early on
1726
01:23:53.920 --> 01:24:00.399
abandon it. He's being involved and cared for by another woman,
1727
01:24:01.119 --> 01:24:03.479
which is an interesting kind of dynamic. I think that
1728
01:24:03.760 --> 01:24:06.359
they don't play into much in AW, but I think
1729
01:24:06.399 --> 01:24:09.640
there's room for Alex Windsor to wonder where the hell
1730
01:24:09.760 --> 01:24:10.520
her husband is.
1731
01:24:10.960 --> 01:24:11.199
Yeah.
1732
01:24:12.079 --> 01:24:14.840
Yeah, there's some inconvenient things that they just don't want
1733
01:24:14.840 --> 01:24:16.760
to draw attention to because there's not a good explanation.
1734
01:24:17.359 --> 01:24:19.119
Derek's other super chat. Thank you Derek, by the way,
1735
01:24:19.399 --> 01:24:22.399
I really appreciate your generosity. It happens more frequently in
1736
01:24:22.439 --> 01:24:24.840
AW than anyone can get a title shot without doing
1737
01:24:24.840 --> 01:24:27.439
anything to become number of contender. Speedball calls next for
1738
01:24:27.479 --> 01:24:32.560
the world title because he beat Westbrook tonight. I addressed
1739
01:24:32.560 --> 01:24:38.239
that earlier. It's not great, but open challenges are sort
1740
01:24:38.279 --> 01:24:39.800
of first to speak up. But when it's a world
1741
01:24:39.840 --> 01:24:43.520
title wise and everyone's speaking up, you know, who makes
1742
01:24:43.560 --> 01:24:46.439
the own tournament and why? Who makes continent classic, who
1743
01:24:46.479 --> 01:24:48.800
gets excluded and why? And I don't mean meta booking reasons,
1744
01:24:48.840 --> 01:24:52.119
I mean storyline canon. Tony doesn't go there. You know,
1745
01:24:52.239 --> 01:24:54.439
he dropped the rankings for a reason. It's a pain.
1746
01:24:54.479 --> 01:24:55.920
And they asked to be a booker, and they have
1747
01:24:56.000 --> 01:24:58.039
to abide by win loss records, just by who gets
1748
01:24:58.039 --> 01:25:01.279
title shots. It's always it's always a good idea until
1749
01:25:01.279 --> 01:25:02.720
you actually have to execute it week after week. And
1750
01:25:02.840 --> 01:25:05.760
bookers don't like it. Bookers don't like explaining why some
1751
01:25:05.760 --> 01:25:07.800
people are in tournaments and some art. And I think
1752
01:25:07.840 --> 01:25:11.680
there's you know, some some storyline gaps in open challenges too,
1753
01:25:12.079 --> 01:25:14.960
But I think there's a room to do a better
1754
01:25:15.079 --> 01:25:18.520
job explaining it. Like with the women's own brackets. Say
1755
01:25:18.560 --> 01:25:20.720
we've got one spot for ro oh, we've got one
1756
01:25:20.760 --> 01:25:23.800
spot for international. We have six spots for the women.
1757
01:25:24.359 --> 01:25:27.239
And to answer the tournament. If you have a belt,
1758
01:25:28.159 --> 01:25:29.960
if you if you're world champ, you're not. You don't
1759
01:25:30.000 --> 01:25:33.600
qualify because you already have the top prize. And therefore
1760
01:25:33.640 --> 01:25:35.720
then there's a lottery system for those who have a
1761
01:25:35.800 --> 01:25:38.079
winning record or the champion who committee determinents that they
1762
01:25:38.960 --> 01:25:41.960
have both shown interest and qualify. It's a like applying
1763
01:25:42.000 --> 01:25:44.199
to college. You got grades, you got, the interview, you got.
1764
01:25:44.640 --> 01:25:46.880
There's a limited number, and so at some point it
1765
01:25:47.079 --> 01:25:50.520
becomes arbitrary. They could say something like that. They could
1766
01:25:50.560 --> 01:25:52.359
put it online. Ex. Cobrick could go for those wondering
1767
01:25:52.399 --> 01:25:54.359
how we came up with this go to. They've never
1768
01:25:54.439 --> 01:25:57.199
said it. They've never said all Elite Wrestling dot com.
1769
01:25:58.159 --> 01:26:01.439
They've never They've never once mentioned the website in seven years.
1770
01:26:01.680 --> 01:26:03.640
Chat tell me if I'm wrong, tell me I'm telling
1771
01:26:03.720 --> 01:26:03.920
a lie.
1772
01:26:04.039 --> 01:26:06.640
That's wild. If that's true, Oh my god.
1773
01:26:07.239 --> 01:26:11.399
They they have a website and they don't talk. They
1774
01:26:11.439 --> 01:26:13.119
don't push their social media much either, like the.
1775
01:26:13.359 --> 01:26:16.319
Follow their website all the time. It's a great website, honestly,
1776
01:26:16.880 --> 01:26:18.399
it keeps things updated and current.
1777
01:26:18.520 --> 01:26:20.279
It's better than it used to be. Great still a
1778
01:26:20.279 --> 01:26:24.560
little overstatement. It's good. It's good. It's reached good. There
1779
01:26:24.600 --> 01:26:29.399
are times I go daite review. Yeah, but yeah they don't.
1780
01:26:29.680 --> 01:26:33.880
They don't officially use it, but they could say we
1781
01:26:34.000 --> 01:26:36.640
have an explanation of the process. We're kinda don't say
1782
01:26:36.640 --> 01:26:37.880
we're not going to bore you on TV, but just
1783
01:26:37.960 --> 01:26:39.439
go We're not. We don't have time on TV to
1784
01:26:39.439 --> 01:26:41.159
explain the process. We want to get to the next match.
1785
01:26:41.239 --> 01:26:42.640
But if you are curious how came up with it,
1786
01:26:42.680 --> 01:26:44.279
we do have an article. I mean that I think
1787
01:26:44.279 --> 01:26:46.840
Ada Defense would appreciate that level of detail. Yeah, yeah,
1788
01:26:47.800 --> 01:26:49.640
uh okay, oh, Chris.
1789
01:26:49.600 --> 01:26:52.439
Well, for me, this doesn't feel quite the same like
1790
01:26:52.520 --> 01:26:55.560
it like a normal open challenge. These are people coming
1791
01:26:55.600 --> 01:26:59.680
out calling their shot. In my senses, Darby agrees to
1792
01:26:59.800 --> 01:27:03.119
risk see the call rather than subjecting himself to whoever
1793
01:27:03.239 --> 01:27:05.199
walks through the curtain in an open chat. That's right.
1794
01:27:05.319 --> 01:27:09.760
Yeah, yeah, we haven't seen. What I don't like though,
1795
01:27:10.399 --> 01:27:12.479
and I have this kind of mark to comment on,
1796
01:27:12.680 --> 01:27:14.920
is why does Darby get to decide if MGF doesn't
1797
01:27:14.960 --> 01:27:16.800
put up his hair, MGF never gets a tom shot
1798
01:27:16.800 --> 01:27:19.079
against me? Yeah, I mean, where where is that in
1799
01:27:19.159 --> 01:27:21.840
the statutes? Yeah, where's a statute for that?
1800
01:27:23.199 --> 01:27:26.079
I'm pretty sure he gets there. There's a lawsuit involved
1801
01:27:26.159 --> 01:27:28.600
in there, you know, in a real workless scenario like that.
1802
01:27:28.800 --> 01:27:31.079
Yeah, dude, Well but then let's let's just set aside
1803
01:27:31.119 --> 01:27:35.079
the hair channap world champion. Go, I don't know, you
1804
01:27:35.119 --> 01:27:37.159
don't get to pick who you who you defend the
1805
01:27:37.239 --> 01:27:40.399
title against, like nobody. You don't get to like win
1806
01:27:40.760 --> 01:27:44.279
uh uh get to the super Bowl and go, well, okay,
1807
01:27:44.920 --> 01:27:47.439
we won the NFC title, but that AFC game, if
1808
01:27:47.479 --> 01:27:48.680
the Bills win, we're not playing them.
1809
01:27:49.199 --> 01:27:49.479
We don't.
1810
01:27:49.520 --> 01:27:51.880
We're not We're not going to defend. We're not gonna play. Like,
1811
01:27:52.439 --> 01:27:54.800
where do you get his champion get to just dictate?
1812
01:27:55.159 --> 01:27:57.319
Somebody just doesn't get a shot if they are the
1813
01:27:57.399 --> 01:28:00.319
ex champ and they earned it. Otherwise you add to
1814
01:28:00.600 --> 01:28:04.119
it the hairstep Yeah yeah, Uh.
1815
01:28:04.960 --> 01:28:07.439
What's the explanation you think? Has there ever been in it?
1816
01:28:07.640 --> 01:28:09.600
Is it just the way it comes to me?
1817
01:28:10.600 --> 01:28:13.000
The champion's prerogative?
1818
01:28:13.600 --> 01:28:14.720
Yeah, I don't know.
1819
01:28:15.039 --> 01:28:15.239
Yeah.
1820
01:28:15.680 --> 01:28:18.039
I mean when Joe got his first title, he was
1821
01:28:18.079 --> 01:28:20.359
the one who decided that rankings were going to be
1822
01:28:20.439 --> 01:28:22.960
the thing that mattered, right, So they they have this
1823
01:28:23.159 --> 01:28:27.479
history of champs being able to set the parameters. I
1824
01:28:27.520 --> 01:28:28.960
guess but it is weird.
1825
01:28:29.079 --> 01:28:33.079
You're right, it's like dieting. I'm dropping sugar. I'm not
1826
01:28:33.159 --> 01:28:35.119
eating any process sugar. Three months lady, you see a
1827
01:28:35.119 --> 01:28:37.920
friend and they're like they're eating a cupcake, Like, what
1828
01:28:38.000 --> 01:28:39.680
out the sugar? Oh, that's like so two months ago.
1829
01:28:39.920 --> 01:28:42.439
Like they just sometimes they do it and then sometimes
1830
01:28:42.439 --> 01:28:45.800
they don't. It's not idea Sean push to super Chat.
1831
01:28:45.840 --> 01:28:48.039
Thank you, Schan says. Also ten man tags are so
1832
01:28:48.279 --> 01:28:55.079
overdone in E E W. Yes, I mean, I agree,
1833
01:28:56.640 --> 01:29:00.279
but there's a butt there. They're really good ath it's
1834
01:29:00.520 --> 01:29:03.640
they are serving the AEW audience, something that I think
1835
01:29:03.680 --> 01:29:07.800
Tony Kahn believes rightfully. So it is something you don't
1836
01:29:07.800 --> 01:29:09.479
want to do it every week where it's like the
1837
01:29:09.520 --> 01:29:12.000
spot fest that we had today, But that is part
1838
01:29:12.039 --> 01:29:15.359
of their brand and they do it well. I don't know.
1839
01:29:15.920 --> 01:29:19.520
I mean, it's it to me, it's I can I'm fine.
1840
01:29:19.600 --> 01:29:22.279
I'm I'm fine with it. It's not I'm not enthusiastic
1841
01:29:22.319 --> 01:29:24.399
about it sometimes when they overdo it, because sometime it
1842
01:29:24.399 --> 01:29:25.640
feels like it's just a way to get people on
1843
01:29:25.680 --> 01:29:25.920
a show.
1844
01:29:25.960 --> 01:29:28.600
What do you think as long as the camera work
1845
01:29:28.680 --> 01:29:31.760
to me is on point. I'm enjoying them. They can
1846
01:29:31.800 --> 01:29:33.439
tell a good story and they can make sure they're
1847
01:29:33.479 --> 01:29:38.199
capturing everything. But when whatever Beateam crew is out there
1848
01:29:38.439 --> 01:29:43.399
not knowing how to to cut around wrestlers or to shoot,
1849
01:29:43.640 --> 01:29:45.880
and that's when it gets really messy. And and I
1850
01:29:45.920 --> 01:29:49.119
feel like I've seen more of those on Collision than Dynamite.
1851
01:29:52.000 --> 01:29:56.039
But I like the feel of this kind of chaos
1852
01:29:56.439 --> 01:30:01.199
that that goes absolutely bonkers on a weekly basis. That
1853
01:30:01.520 --> 01:30:04.560
doesn't necessitate you always buying a pay per view to
1854
01:30:04.640 --> 01:30:08.880
have these big, massive matches, So I'm enjoying it for
1855
01:30:09.039 --> 01:30:10.800
that reason, all Right.
1856
01:30:11.039 --> 01:30:13.800
Sean with another super chat says, how excited are you
1857
01:30:13.840 --> 01:30:16.680
guys about Stadium Stampede? It just feels so thrown together
1858
01:30:16.760 --> 01:30:22.319
For me, I don't love the match. So they announced tonight,
1859
01:30:23.159 --> 01:30:27.439
we knew Hertz Sindkate would be at Jericho, also Kenny Omega,
1860
01:30:27.920 --> 01:30:30.800
Jungle Jack, Perry and the Young Bocks joining, and then
1861
01:30:30.840 --> 01:30:34.680
the demand Ricochet, Bishop Kahn and Tola Leona are teaming
1862
01:30:34.720 --> 01:30:38.840
with Don Kallis contributions, Mark Davis and androde Key person
1863
01:30:38.920 --> 01:30:42.359
there and the remaining docs Clark Connors and David Finlay.
1864
01:30:43.520 --> 01:30:43.960
I mean.
1865
01:30:45.960 --> 01:30:48.800
It's there, are guys I would think would be in
1866
01:30:48.840 --> 01:30:51.079
a stadium Stampede match for Brady reasons. It kind of
1867
01:30:51.079 --> 01:30:53.880
fits in just deconstructing it, like, Okay, I can see
1868
01:30:53.920 --> 01:30:56.520
that person would be good. That person be good, and
1869
01:30:56.640 --> 01:31:00.159
when you're putting that many people together teaming, it's there's
1870
01:31:00.159 --> 01:31:02.039
going to be a sort of randomness to some of it.
1871
01:31:02.159 --> 01:31:02.439
What is it?
1872
01:31:02.520 --> 01:31:05.600
Seven on seven? Yeah? What do you think?
1873
01:31:05.680 --> 01:31:08.560
Ross Andrade was the weirdest inclusion?
1874
01:31:09.399 --> 01:31:11.520
That'll be a key part of match a story, right.
1875
01:31:11.520 --> 01:31:14.039
So there's something's going on there, but it still feels weird.
1876
01:31:15.239 --> 01:31:17.840
I wasn't around for the first stadium Stampede match, so
1877
01:31:18.000 --> 01:31:20.720
I am looking forward to this because I saw the
1878
01:31:20.800 --> 01:31:24.479
anarchy in the arena and that that was crazy and
1879
01:31:24.560 --> 01:31:27.960
got me excited. So I guess I'm looking forward to
1880
01:31:28.039 --> 01:31:31.000
this because it feels different and it feels on brand.
1881
01:31:31.039 --> 01:31:34.000
I mean, it's aw is kinda signature match in that sense,
1882
01:31:34.119 --> 01:31:40.399
or one of them. The weird kind of not conglomeration,
1883
01:31:40.600 --> 01:31:44.399
not in the AW sense of people doesn't really bother me.
1884
01:31:45.159 --> 01:31:48.239
It creates variety and some dynamism and the styles.
1885
01:31:50.359 --> 01:31:52.880
Derek says, theres so much talent in aw Omega, Lashley
1886
01:31:52.920 --> 01:31:55.199
and Androda could have been in the own Heart tournament
1887
01:31:56.920 --> 01:32:01.079
against Don SSM the Double or Nothing Stadium Stampete match. Okay,
1888
01:32:01.079 --> 01:32:02.640
I thought it was a reference Don Kallis, and I
1889
01:32:02.680 --> 01:32:06.840
got lost with the abbreviations. Shahn says, please don't play
1890
01:32:06.840 --> 01:32:08.000
a lot of bodies hit the floor again.
1891
01:32:09.560 --> 01:32:09.760
Yeah.
1892
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Yeah, So if you put together an own tournament of
1893
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just wrestlers in this match, is it a better tournament?
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Kenny Omega, Nick Jackson. I want Nick Jackson in a
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singles singles tournament, and I want him with a singles
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belt at some point. No offense, Matt. It's just like Nick,
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I think, could he's younger and better?
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Just yeah, just his.
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So Kenny, Nick Lashley, Rick Ache. We're up to four
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Andrade Finlay. Now we're up to six, and then from there,
1901
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I mean, you can do Mark Davis, who can do
1902
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Jack Perry. Of course you can do Shelton Benjamin. I
1903
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think you have a better own hard tournament in the
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Stadium Stampede than the own tournament itself.
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I don't disagree.
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Yeah, I don't think Jo and we didn't talk about
1907
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the men's side. I mean, I think the men's side
1908
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is fine, but yeah, I do think I do think
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we might have a better because the men's side is
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to mojo against will Last Break, no problem, Mark Davis
1911
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and Perry, Okay, I mean they're I guess they're in
1912
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it too, so I'm overlapping here. And then Swerve and
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Bondido that's good, and then Claudia and Brody King. Claudia,
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you know, but Brody. I mean, Claudio's good, but he's
1915
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not gonna win, and then Brody King. Yeah, I don't
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know that it's not that far off, right, But if.
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I'm thinking of who fits stadium Stampede versus Owen that
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the formulation that you had makes more sense for an
1919
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Owen Heart tournament to feature not just a specific type
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of wrestling, but the best kinds of wrestling you would
1921
01:33:49.079 --> 01:33:51.600
want in a tournament that is honoring Owen Hart. Right,
1922
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not that the other people can't do it who are
1923
01:33:53.960 --> 01:33:57.399
in it right now, but the dynamics fit more if
1924
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you swapped them. Yeah, I'm cool with that.
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Yeah.
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Hey everyone, longtime PW Torch commist Sean radikin here to
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let you know I've rebamped and renewed the Raticant Worldwide
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podcast for twenty twenty six, a weekly VIP exclusive. Every week,
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I break down four or five of the biggest trending
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topics in pro wrestling. I also present my analysis, providing
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insight that helps you understand the story better or see
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it another way. Then maybe is the controversial takeout there?
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Then I bring on a special guest for the second
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half of the podcast. Sometimes it's a wrestler or someone
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else who works in the business. Other times it's a
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guest analyst who brings their specialized point of view out
1937
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a particular key topic in the news. Recent guests have
1938
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included Bronson Reid from WWE and PCO. One of my
1939
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areas of specialty is the Japan wrestling scene, so I
1940
01:34:47.800 --> 01:34:50.840
often cover a big topic from Japan with PW Torch's
1941
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own Alan Farrell, Kelly Wells, and Chris Lansdell. I don't
1942
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just cover the news. I don't just riff on the
1943
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news or give a standard hot take. I'll bring my
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decades of studying this industry and talking one on one
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with dozens of wrestling promoters to each week's show so
1946
01:35:05.720 --> 01:35:09.079
you understand not just what's happening, but the context of why.
1947
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Get ahead of the news. Get ahead of the pack
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with Radkin worldwide only at PW Torch VIP.
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Yeah.
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And by the way, the chat's like, give me a
1951
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hard time. I wasn't saying they would be completely separate excluis.
1952
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I'm just saying, can you build a better stadiums up
1953
01:35:26.680 --> 01:35:29.000
on turnamut of people in the stadium Stampede than the
1954
01:35:29.119 --> 01:35:32.159
existing own tournament. But as I acknowledged, there's some overlap there.
1955
01:35:32.600 --> 01:35:35.479
I mean, look, we don't need Mark Davis in Jungle
1956
01:35:35.560 --> 01:35:37.359
Jack to be telling this story in the Own Heart
1957
01:35:37.399 --> 01:35:38.800
tournament that went ought.
1958
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To go yeah, absolutely, all right, Well go to some
1959
01:35:42.319 --> 01:35:45.079
comments from JB to cover some territory we haven't or
1960
01:35:45.119 --> 01:35:48.319
get another view on it. He says. The ring attire
1961
01:35:48.399 --> 01:35:50.960
coordination between the Bucks and Copland but not Christian was
1962
01:35:51.000 --> 01:35:53.760
on power for both of their characters. I notice that, Yeah,
1963
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Mos demonstrating as bulldog choke on Udil multiple times. So
1964
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it's unintentionally hilarious. Some fun stuff going on, yeah with
1965
01:36:02.079 --> 01:36:07.239
Moxley and Wheeler, where you're like, okay, that's sly, that's ry. Yeah,
1966
01:36:07.399 --> 01:36:10.880
something else that rhymes with that dry yeah, dry sense
1967
01:36:10.880 --> 01:36:14.720
of humor. Yep, good good, there's a dry sense of humor,
1968
01:36:15.319 --> 01:36:17.920
a ry sense of humor and it's kind of sly
1969
01:36:18.079 --> 01:36:20.680
what they're doing. Yeah, all of those things and it's
1970
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it's fun.
1971
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Yeah.
1972
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Uh okay, you think after the countless injuries Brian Cage
1973
01:36:26.319 --> 01:36:30.279
would take some of the muscle off of his frame
1974
01:36:30.399 --> 01:36:34.119
and over abundance of muscle. Yeah, I mean some people
1975
01:36:34.199 --> 01:36:38.159
fall in love with that, that muscle building lifestyle, and
1976
01:36:38.239 --> 01:36:41.399
there's more importance than staying healthy. Those at the Warlow
1977
01:36:41.640 --> 01:36:44.239
Brian Cage types with they have muscle that their tendons
1978
01:36:44.279 --> 01:36:47.760
and ligaments can't support. Your muscle says I can lift it,
1979
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the tenon goes snap, and it's you're just asking for it.
1980
01:36:52.079 --> 01:36:54.199
But I don't know. I mean, you don't. You don't
1981
01:36:54.199 --> 01:36:57.399
look good when you're that Okay, this is the only
1982
01:36:57.439 --> 01:37:00.199
reason I don't have that much muscle, is it? Because
1983
01:37:00.199 --> 01:37:00.840
otherwise I would?
1984
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Of course?
1985
01:37:01.680 --> 01:37:04.119
Is yeah, when you lose it, when you decide not
1986
01:37:04.279 --> 01:37:06.760
to go to the gym six days a week and
1987
01:37:06.840 --> 01:37:09.279
spend three hours and have to protein up to the
1988
01:37:09.359 --> 01:37:11.800
point of I mean, there's a health dangers are too
1989
01:37:11.840 --> 01:37:14.760
much protein, protein's got too much, could be there's some
1990
01:37:14.880 --> 01:37:18.720
real cases that's real bad. So, but if you lose
1991
01:37:18.800 --> 01:37:22.279
a muscle when that day comes, you're not gonna like
1992
01:37:22.359 --> 01:37:24.520
looking in the mirror. I just just stay, do something
1993
01:37:24.600 --> 01:37:27.479
sustainable and think about your think about yourself at fifty five,
1994
01:37:27.520 --> 01:37:29.800
sixty five, seventy five, eighty five, and is this going
1995
01:37:29.840 --> 01:37:32.640
to work for you? Okay, there's my advice, Like gig,
1996
01:37:32.720 --> 01:37:36.319
I mean muscles good, Like I should do more lifting
1997
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just for health, Like it's super important to do as
1998
01:37:38.920 --> 01:37:40.800
you know, more as much as cardio or more so
1999
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in certain ways as you age. But we're talking about
2000
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I Cage talking happy medium health.
2001
01:37:47.439 --> 01:37:53.840
So uh yeah, he he came out looking awesome. What
2002
01:37:54.039 --> 01:37:57.000
was his injury? What it was he rehabbing? Was it
2003
01:37:57.000 --> 01:37:57.720
a knee injury?
2004
01:37:58.279 --> 01:38:00.680
I don't I know. I remember ward those I couldn't remember.
2005
01:38:01.319 --> 01:38:03.479
Brian Cage's last one must have been muscle because he
2006
01:38:03.520 --> 01:38:05.000
didn't have any kind of braces on.
2007
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Right.
2008
01:38:06.119 --> 01:38:10.159
Yeah, I have a wrestler's body. You can't see it.
2009
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I do that cactus jack.
2010
01:38:14.479 --> 01:38:20.720
There you go, yep, yeah, he Uh it was last
2011
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March he had a leg injury. Oh it's chat chipet.
2012
01:38:25.159 --> 01:38:27.359
They say it was, oh torn quad receptenant. I'm hoping
2013
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they're right.
2014
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Okay.
2015
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It became more complicated because he wanted to underwent knee
2016
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surgery and then had multiple setbacks during recovery. So three
2017
01:38:34.600 --> 01:38:40.439
nurse three knee surgeries and complications where an implant didn't
2018
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properly bond to the bone, sidelined over a year, but
2019
01:38:42.880 --> 01:38:44.520
he was just medically cleared, so okay.
2020
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Yeah, well he looked. He looked great, I thought, especially
2021
01:38:48.119 --> 01:38:48.520
knowing that.
2022
01:38:48.720 --> 01:38:51.960
My gosh, Tesz said on commentary, looked like he just
2023
01:38:52.119 --> 01:38:56.359
came from a professional bodybuilding show. He really did. Yeah,
2024
01:38:56.880 --> 01:38:59.720
Taz had some good lines again tonight, both kind of funny,
2025
01:38:59.720 --> 01:39:02.319
witty but also just serving. I don't have him at
2026
01:39:02.359 --> 01:39:03.359
the top of my head, but I was like, oh,
2027
01:39:03.399 --> 01:39:04.880
another good taskline. He's good at his job.
2028
01:39:06.680 --> 01:39:07.600
I don't dislike him.
2029
01:39:08.960 --> 01:39:11.279
Derek says Brian Brian Cage is a Joel and b
2030
01:39:11.359 --> 01:39:14.520
tow a w Sean Plushy's cage did look decent. The
2031
01:39:14.600 --> 01:39:19.600
match was okay, but yeah, Brian Cage loses all the time,
2032
01:39:19.640 --> 01:39:22.000
so it's no surprise. There's got to be people who
2033
01:39:22.119 --> 01:39:24.720
look at him and go, why is any world champion?
2034
01:39:24.920 --> 01:39:25.079
You know?
2035
01:39:25.359 --> 01:39:27.600
And I'm sure he looks in the mirror and wonder
2036
01:39:27.680 --> 01:39:29.960
is that too, Like what what? Why am I? Why
2037
01:39:30.039 --> 01:39:31.800
is Darby I mean dark. If you're Brian Cage, you
2038
01:39:31.840 --> 01:39:33.439
looked at Darby like he's a world champ. I put
2039
01:39:33.439 --> 01:39:36.159
all this time in the gym. I'm the beast, all right.
2040
01:39:36.560 --> 01:39:39.800
I gotta think he knows well. He talks about it
2041
01:39:39.920 --> 01:39:43.000
being being a body guy in AW means something different
2042
01:39:43.079 --> 01:39:45.760
than it did in WWE, and I think he is
2043
01:39:45.840 --> 01:39:48.760
aware of that. I would imagine because it seemed like
2044
01:39:48.800 --> 01:39:49.399
a stupid guy.
2045
01:39:50.760 --> 01:39:56.600
Really, No, I'm kidding. I said, I was kidding. He's
2046
01:39:56.640 --> 01:39:59.800
obviously very smart. The Speedball Night back to back singles match,
2047
01:39:59.840 --> 01:40:02.840
he's he's always listened to audiobooks while he's lifting weights too,
2048
01:40:02.920 --> 01:40:07.079
and it's all nonfiction, improving improving his his knowledge of
2049
01:40:07.079 --> 01:40:10.000
world history and logic. I'm making all that.
2050
01:40:12.159 --> 01:40:12.960
You sold me on that.
2051
01:40:13.159 --> 01:40:16.279
Yeah, The Speedball Night back to back singles matches was
2052
01:40:16.319 --> 01:40:18.399
an interesting choice. I have to think that it was intentional.
2053
01:40:18.720 --> 01:40:20.520
I like the Night postmatch problem between the two. It
2054
01:40:20.560 --> 01:40:23.239
did feel like a genuine conversation between the take partners
2055
01:40:23.279 --> 01:40:26.119
of legitimate friends. Unlike past Week's Night comes across as
2056
01:40:26.279 --> 01:40:31.239
as likable. Along with Speedball, there were things about the
2057
01:40:31.279 --> 01:40:34.199
conversation that did flow naturally. I actually thought that was
2058
01:40:35.439 --> 01:40:39.920
that's good. Zach Barbersa's night Catching night. Cage Catching night
2059
01:40:40.000 --> 01:40:42.560
on that dive was pure brute strength. By the way,
2060
01:40:43.159 --> 01:40:45.600
all you fools who have been calling Christian Cage cage,
2061
01:40:45.640 --> 01:40:48.760
which I just think is so ridiculous when arrest are
2062
01:40:48.880 --> 01:40:52.359
so known by a singular first name, and the only
2063
01:40:52.359 --> 01:40:53.960
reason the cage is there is because it's to get
2064
01:40:54.560 --> 01:40:56.640
a getaway from trademark form because he used that name
2065
01:40:56.680 --> 01:40:59.399
on the indie scene like forty years ago. Call him Christian.
2066
01:40:59.680 --> 01:41:01.319
You don't have to adhere to the last name thing
2067
01:41:01.319 --> 01:41:02.840
when they're all fake names anyway, Just go with it.
2068
01:41:02.880 --> 01:41:04.399
That's why I call him Dedarby. I don't call him Alan.
2069
01:41:04.640 --> 01:41:06.479
Nobody knows who Alan is. They all know who Darby is.
2070
01:41:08.119 --> 01:41:10.479
Some are closer calls, like Seth and Rawlins or Sammy
2071
01:41:10.520 --> 01:41:15.319
and Zane. But there was always a Brian Cage looming,
2072
01:41:15.920 --> 01:41:17.960
and you can't call him Brian because there's so many Brian's.
2073
01:41:17.960 --> 01:41:19.359
You gotta call him Page. So we got to call
2074
01:41:19.439 --> 01:41:22.479
him Christian or it just gets vincmc mann was right, like,
2075
01:41:22.600 --> 01:41:24.680
we can't have Shane Douglas. We can't have two Shanes.
2076
01:41:26.399 --> 01:41:29.079
Call him the Swolverine this so he calls himself.
2077
01:41:29.079 --> 01:41:33.359
Tell the story too. Like you had Bruiser Brody in
2078
01:41:33.399 --> 01:41:35.359
the a w A. Could not be Bruiser Brode because
2079
01:41:35.399 --> 01:41:37.840
verne Gan, you didn't want anyone taking Dick the Bruiser's name,
2080
01:41:37.840 --> 01:41:39.359
because Dick the Bruiser is a big name in the
2081
01:41:39.399 --> 01:41:42.760
a WA. So when Bruiser Brody, knowing worldwide as Brewser Brody,
2082
01:41:42.800 --> 01:41:44.840
came into the a w A, I read about him
2083
01:41:44.840 --> 01:41:46.239
in a magazines. I knew he was Bruce Brody. He
2084
01:41:46.279 --> 01:41:48.199
became King Kong Brody and he kind of looked like
2085
01:41:48.279 --> 01:41:51.239
King Kong was good nickname. So then when the Road
2086
01:41:51.279 --> 01:41:53.920
Warriors were looking for credible opponents because the Road Wars
2087
01:41:54.000 --> 01:41:57.760
needed credible opponents because they were squashing the regulars, Crusher
2088
01:41:57.840 --> 01:42:00.399
Jerry Blackwell four and at some pounds found him big
2089
01:42:00.840 --> 01:42:06.039
time partner, King Kong Bundy. But we can't have two
2090
01:42:06.119 --> 01:42:08.159
King Kong's than the a w A. So he became
2091
01:42:08.520 --> 01:42:12.159
Boom Boom Bundy. And god, yes, I mean there's it's
2092
01:42:12.239 --> 01:42:14.000
just one thing can lead to another, can lead to another.
2093
01:42:14.279 --> 01:42:17.560
It's it's funny, all right, that's a boom boom yep,
2094
01:42:17.720 --> 01:42:21.479
boom boom Bundy. And they said it with a straight faith.
2095
01:42:22.000 --> 01:42:25.039
Yeah, that does not strike fear into my heart.
2096
01:42:25.520 --> 01:42:30.000
No, no, all, right, back to JV's email. So it
2097
01:42:30.039 --> 01:42:32.039
looks like we are getting Osprey against Worb in the
2098
01:42:32.079 --> 01:42:34.039
finals with the own Cup tournament spoiler alert. I don't know.
2099
01:42:34.039 --> 01:42:36.239
I haven't thought about it that much, which I like.
2100
01:42:36.439 --> 01:42:38.760
I like the matchups of Osprey, Joe swert Bunddo and
2101
01:42:38.840 --> 01:42:41.479
ron One. The other matchups feel less consequential. However, due
2102
01:42:41.520 --> 01:42:44.000
to research results, I suppose one could be convinced that
2103
01:42:44.159 --> 01:42:45.960
Mark Davis and or Birdie King have shots to win
2104
01:42:46.000 --> 01:42:47.880
as well. There we are now, it's not a spoiler anymore.
2105
01:42:48.279 --> 01:42:50.319
I would love to see somebody unexpected win one of
2106
01:42:50.359 --> 01:42:53.640
these tournaments like that they believe in but you think
2107
01:42:53.680 --> 01:42:55.319
they're a tier two guy to take some falls and
2108
01:42:55.399 --> 01:42:57.279
have some good matches and they win, you know, I
2109
01:42:57.319 --> 01:42:59.239
mean they dead out with Darby win in the world title. Oh,
2110
01:42:59.399 --> 01:43:02.600
I didn't see that. Let's do it again unless there's
2111
01:43:02.600 --> 01:43:05.439
a recruit reason not to then pick another year. The
2112
01:43:05.520 --> 01:43:07.479
women's old bracket feels wide open. There's not a ton
2113
01:43:07.560 --> 01:43:08.960
of star power. But I don't really have a hunch
2114
01:43:09.000 --> 01:43:10.760
as to who will win it. I doubt Willow wins it.
2115
01:43:10.880 --> 01:43:13.399
To yours consecutively. Do you have an early pick on
2116
01:43:13.560 --> 01:43:14.359
either Chris.
2117
01:43:14.399 --> 01:43:18.399
Men's or women's persephony? Okay, that's my pick.
2118
01:43:18.560 --> 01:43:19.399
How about the men's.
2119
01:43:21.439 --> 01:43:25.319
All right, I guess. I guess will Osprey to to
2120
01:43:25.680 --> 01:43:29.039
perhaps win the world title in London? Yeah?
2121
01:43:30.960 --> 01:43:33.079
What do you think a jungle Jack Perry ending his
2122
01:43:33.199 --> 01:43:35.359
promos with f U baby face prones?
2123
01:43:36.079 --> 01:43:36.479
All right?
2124
01:43:36.800 --> 01:43:36.920
Uh?
2125
01:43:38.239 --> 01:43:42.079
Honestly, I laugh every time, but I also acknowledge that
2126
01:43:43.079 --> 01:43:46.760
it's low lowest common denominator, and I'm okay, like I
2127
01:43:47.640 --> 01:43:52.840
love that as ann hi brass stuff. It's it's not
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01:43:52.920 --> 01:43:56.079
gonna last for too long. It's only got so much mileage,
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01:43:57.000 --> 01:43:59.960
but it makes me laugh every time. I gotta be honest.
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01:44:00.359 --> 01:44:01.039
Yeah, what about you?
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01:44:01.199 --> 01:44:02.720
I mean, what, like, what's your take on it?
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01:44:03.880 --> 01:44:04.680
That's Jack Perry?
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01:44:05.319 --> 01:44:08.000
Yeah, Like it's the most I've ever enjoyed him.
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01:44:09.000 --> 01:44:10.000
So he's just that.
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01:44:10.520 --> 01:44:10.760
Yeah.
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01:44:11.720 --> 01:44:13.239
When I say hits Jack Perry, I mean that's a
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01:44:13.319 --> 01:44:16.520
loaded answer, but because it means it doesn't matter that
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01:44:16.640 --> 01:44:22.000
much because it's Jack Perry. He's not I don't know,
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01:44:22.079 --> 01:44:24.640
he's not John Moxley. I'm not looking to him for wisdom.
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01:44:24.840 --> 01:44:27.239
Feels a little shock value esque. I think there's I
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01:44:27.279 --> 01:44:29.880
think he's of it. He is, you know, a kind
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01:44:29.880 --> 01:44:32.479
of a poster boy for a generation who doesn't understand
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01:44:34.159 --> 01:44:36.399
the business but has picked up on the wrong lessons
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01:44:36.439 --> 01:44:39.359
from watching it. But he's surrounded by some smart people.
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01:44:40.279 --> 01:44:44.079
But I mean, I like, I don't, I'm not. I
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01:44:44.159 --> 01:44:47.720
think he's been defined down enough and shown enough of himself.
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01:44:47.720 --> 01:44:48.920
I don't think he's ever going to be more than
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01:44:48.960 --> 01:44:52.000
the utility guy. But he's not a bad utility guy
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01:44:52.039 --> 01:44:54.640
to have. But you don't touch face in six weeks.
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01:44:54.720 --> 01:44:56.159
Let's see how this goes. If he sticks with it
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01:44:56.199 --> 01:44:58.359
and he makes it work. I didn't think haha with
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01:44:58.479 --> 01:45:00.199
Rickochet is gonna work or laughing at him. It's like,
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01:45:00.960 --> 01:45:07.399
totally totally works. So you know we'll see it's edge
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01:45:07.479 --> 01:45:12.119
LORDI mm hmm, yeah, yeah, all right. The fatal the
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01:45:12.239 --> 01:45:13.840
four way, I think it's only fatal four way in
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01:45:14.000 --> 01:45:16.520
w B, so it's just a four way elsewhere. The
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01:45:16.640 --> 01:45:18.960
four way of all current former a W Women's champions
2158
01:45:19.039 --> 01:45:21.359
is interesting. I wonder when Mercedes is returning. I still
2159
01:45:21.399 --> 01:45:23.520
believe she's going to be techless title challenger at all
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01:45:23.560 --> 01:45:24.039
in London.
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01:45:25.000 --> 01:45:25.079
Uh.
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01:45:25.159 --> 01:45:27.000
Since Kazuchi Kokata was being able to get the World
2163
01:45:27.000 --> 01:45:28.840
Tuto match with Derby tonight due to family reasons of Japan.
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01:45:28.880 --> 01:45:30.960
I wonder how they rectified. I don't really think that
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01:45:31.039 --> 01:45:33.359
they do Okata MGF when M Jeff likely wants the
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01:45:33.359 --> 01:45:35.560
title back at double or nothing, do they simply feud
2167
01:45:35.560 --> 01:45:37.640
Okata and Darby. I have to imagine that the upcoming
2168
01:45:37.680 --> 01:45:39.920
Ocada the Casta feud would spend at least a few months,
2169
01:45:39.960 --> 01:45:43.840
so as I always loved the show in Go vi Ip, Yeah,
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01:45:43.960 --> 01:45:46.439
I mean, I know way. I'm glad Okada's like title
2171
01:45:46.479 --> 01:45:49.039
matge wasn't just an open challenge throwaway. But I am
2172
01:45:49.279 --> 01:45:52.279
curious and we may never know what they were going
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01:45:52.359 --> 01:45:52.479
to do.
2174
01:45:53.359 --> 01:45:55.239
I imagine he would have He would have just cheated.
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01:45:55.239 --> 01:45:59.760
It would have been a clear cheat, and Darby would
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01:45:59.760 --> 01:46:02.079
have reciprocated in some way to win right.
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01:46:02.039 --> 01:46:06.000
With fire with fire or Takeshta come is gonna oh
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01:46:06.039 --> 01:46:06.279
you know what?
2179
01:46:06.800 --> 01:46:07.079
You know what?
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01:46:07.560 --> 01:46:09.960
Takeshta was going to hand the ring to Kata. Okada
2181
01:46:10.039 --> 01:46:13.159
reaches out, Takeshta says, no, I can't. There's gonna be
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01:46:13.199 --> 01:46:15.479
hand off. That's the answer. Don Kel is going to
2183
01:46:15.520 --> 01:46:17.920
hand the ring to Takeshta. Give it to Kata Takesha's
2184
01:46:17.920 --> 01:46:19.720
gonna stand on the ring apron, Who's gonna have Zcada?
2185
01:46:19.720 --> 01:46:21.560
And then he goes, Nope, I can't do it. That
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01:46:21.720 --> 01:46:23.359
distraction leads to Darby getting to win.
2187
01:46:24.600 --> 01:46:25.079
I like it.
2188
01:46:25.520 --> 01:46:27.920
Yeah, and it's still got the same conclusion for Takeshta.
2189
01:46:28.560 --> 01:46:30.840
That is that is not that is a fact. I
2190
01:46:30.960 --> 01:46:32.560
just said it's too logical not to be what they're
2191
01:46:32.560 --> 01:46:32.800
gonna do.
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01:46:33.039 --> 01:46:33.720
Yeah, that's right.
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01:46:33.840 --> 01:46:37.239
I'm not speculating exactly, totally speculating. But wait till the
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01:46:38.800 --> 01:46:42.840
Yeah websites report. Wade Keller says, all right, uh, Chris,
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01:46:42.920 --> 01:46:45.199
anything else, anything else you want to you want to add.
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01:46:46.840 --> 01:46:49.960
The weirdness of a contract, I mean immediately after a
2197
01:46:50.079 --> 01:46:55.640
match with like the rabid Darby Allen was a choice,
2198
01:46:56.159 --> 01:47:00.279
and I think it was a good one. It really
2199
01:47:00.359 --> 01:47:04.399
created the visual of the normally put together m JF
2200
01:47:04.720 --> 01:47:08.039
and this like foaming it the mouth, Darby's still facing
2201
01:47:08.359 --> 01:47:12.600
facing it down. Yeah. I really enjoyed it. I didn't
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01:47:12.640 --> 01:47:15.119
think it took any steam out of the main event.
2203
01:47:15.720 --> 01:47:20.279
Yeah, I agree. I liked the table getting, you know,
2204
01:47:20.479 --> 01:47:22.720
the crew rushing to get the table in the ring. Yeah,
2205
01:47:24.199 --> 01:47:27.520
and I liked uh. I thought m Jeff was really
2206
01:47:27.560 --> 01:47:34.520
good here. Yeah, yeah, and the key here, the key takeaway,
2207
01:47:35.239 --> 01:47:36.640
you know, I mean he said stuff like Darby, you're
2208
01:47:36.640 --> 01:47:38.520
a diamond dozen stunt man. You burn the cattle on
2209
01:47:38.560 --> 01:47:40.880
both ends. But the key line from MGF in the
2210
01:47:40.960 --> 01:47:43.680
promo was you think life is about making friends and
2211
01:47:43.720 --> 01:47:45.560
having children and a family, but the only thing that
2212
01:47:45.640 --> 01:47:49.199
matters is building a legacy great hell line yeah or
2213
01:47:49.359 --> 01:47:54.520
Manisphere line, and then yeah, and then Darby says oh,
2214
01:47:54.600 --> 01:47:57.159
and then he goes Derby cares about climbing the mountaintop,
2215
01:47:57.199 --> 01:48:01.039
but when it comes to progressing, I am the mountaintop. Yeah,
2216
01:48:01.119 --> 01:48:04.039
there's some good stuff here, he said. Darby hasn't made
2217
01:48:04.039 --> 01:48:05.359
a difference. On the other hand, I'll go down as
2218
01:48:05.359 --> 01:48:07.319
the greatest of all time. But Darby said, yeah, I
2219
01:48:07.319 --> 01:48:10.079
don't care about legacy. I'm living in the moment. I'll
2220
01:48:10.119 --> 01:48:11.760
make I could have done without. I'll make you my
2221
01:48:11.840 --> 01:48:13.760
bald headed bitch. Cross sort of chanted it a little.
2222
01:48:13.800 --> 01:48:16.600
But my problem with the word bitch isn't isn't prudeish.
2223
01:48:16.760 --> 01:48:19.199
It's it's not as WHOA did he just say that
2224
01:48:19.279 --> 01:48:21.600
as everybody wants it to be. It's like everybody says it,
2225
01:48:21.680 --> 01:48:23.520
So what what you're not cool, but you look like
2226
01:48:23.560 --> 01:48:28.159
you're trying to be cool. So uh, I didn't love
2227
01:48:28.239 --> 01:48:31.600
that as a finish, But I like Darby going I
2228
01:48:31.720 --> 01:48:33.439
live in the moment. I mean, they just they both
2229
01:48:33.560 --> 01:48:36.239
expressed traits. That's what I want with fought To enrollment.
2230
01:48:36.279 --> 01:48:39.199
I just want fought To to say things where you go.
2231
01:48:39.399 --> 01:48:41.000
That's exactly what he would say, and that's why I
2232
01:48:41.119 --> 01:48:42.880
like him. That's exactly what i'd say. And that's why
2233
01:48:42.880 --> 01:48:44.800
I don't like him. We should know their DNA, we
2234
01:48:44.840 --> 01:48:48.239
should know their constitution well enough as people, what drives them,
2235
01:48:48.279 --> 01:48:50.600
what motivates them, what what compromises or willing or not
2236
01:48:50.680 --> 01:48:52.079
willing to make like to catch it with the ring.
2237
01:48:52.560 --> 01:48:55.039
You should learn about them and they should apply and
2238
01:48:55.119 --> 01:48:57.319
when the world changes around them, like happens with Sammy' say,
2239
01:48:57.600 --> 01:49:00.359
they can make good bad decisions because they listen to
2240
01:49:00.399 --> 01:49:02.279
the wrong people, or good decisions because they listen to
2241
01:49:02.319 --> 01:49:04.880
the right people for once. That's a story. But their
2242
01:49:05.000 --> 01:49:08.840
character historically should be vulnerable or open to whatever changes
2243
01:49:08.920 --> 01:49:11.199
how we look at them. I want that level. And
2244
01:49:11.239 --> 01:49:12.800
we're getting out with RBNMJFF right now.
2245
01:49:13.039 --> 01:49:16.560
H Yeah, and Darby's I mean he's gonna meet us
2246
01:49:16.720 --> 01:49:19.680
end by doing exactly what he's done this whole time.
2247
01:49:20.119 --> 01:49:22.840
It is competing to the best of visibility, right like
2248
01:49:23.319 --> 01:49:26.399
he's not. I don't look at him as somebody who
2249
01:49:26.640 --> 01:49:29.000
knows he's gonna win or even thinks he's gonna win.
2250
01:49:29.319 --> 01:49:31.600
He lives in the moment and the moment says, I
2251
01:49:31.680 --> 01:49:34.359
give it all. If I win, great, If I lose,
2252
01:49:34.680 --> 01:49:35.239
I lose.
2253
01:49:36.720 --> 01:49:37.000
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