5 YRS AGO SMACKDOWN POST-SHOW: Corbin’s emotional turmoil, Reigns no-shows Jimmy, Edge promo, Otis dominance, Sami-KO, Sonya, calls, emails

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Show five years ago.
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This week, on the SmackDown Post Show, I was joined
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by Mike Myers from PW Torch talk about that night's episode.
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We talked about Roman Reigns no showing, Jimmy Usso's confrontation
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with Edge, also Edge's promo otis getting a big push,
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Sammy's Ain versus Kevin Owens in a standout match, Sonya
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de Bill's Money at the Bank qualifier, Logic Baron Corbin's
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emotional distress, and more. This originally live streamed on July second,
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twenty twenty one, and it is today's Waight Keller PROG
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Wrestling Post Show five years ago SmackDown Flashback for Thursday,
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July second, twenty twenty six. All right, Mike, we've got
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Edge back on the microphone. It's been a few months.
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He explained what losing at Wresselmania did to him. It
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was supposed to be a moment that he planned for
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to win the title ten years after retiring to the day.
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It didn't go that way. He had to regroup. Did
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you like the way he presented himself, the story he
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told and the justification later by it. I Pierce just
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explicitly saying he won the Rumble, he is owed to
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one on one match and that's why he's he's getting
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one a week from Sunday.
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I liked almost everything that Edge said tonight.
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I'm intrigued.
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Yeah, I don't know if it counts as being nitpicky
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or not, but in his his first promo early in
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the show, he did something there that I didn't care for.
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As for Adam Pierce, well, he was talking to Seth Rollins, right,
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so Rollins was upset that he doesn't get this opportunity.
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And yeah, I guess Pierce made as good an argument
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as he could have for why Edge is getting it
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with winning the Royal Rumble, and I guess losing in
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a triple threat with Daniel Bryan being involved, and that
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ties into what I didn't care for about Edge's first promo, But.
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Yeah, I didn't.
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I guess it makes sense that Edge might be in
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place before Rollins, so I don't have a huge problem.
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I don't think with what Adam Pierce had to say.
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What did you not like about what Edge said?
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He tried to have it both ways with his complaint
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about Daniel Bryan being inserted into the match, by saying
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I could complain about Daniel Brian being in the match,
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I could complain about how he pulled the Reth out
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of the ring or how he broke up this submission hold,
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but I won't.
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But he just did.
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And he even said like a younger Edge would complain
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about it, after current Edge just did complain about it.
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I found that problematic, Like there's fifty different ways he
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could have said things like how it didn't go as
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he planned, but I'm not going to take anything away
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from Daniel Brien because I would have done the same thing,
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to be honest, But no, he was just pissing and
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moaning and then saying I'm not going to piss and
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moan about it. Apart from that, that was but a
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fragment of all of his promo promos tonight, but that
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part I didn't care for.
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Yeah, I get that that happens a lot. Hey, even
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on this show, Mike, you know, I talk about it.
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Do you have anything else you want to add to
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a caller? And they go no, but and then they
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give another and then they say something else, And it's
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almost like, you know, a human tick to kind of
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say that. You know, I'm not going to complain, but
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if I did, here's what I would say. And Lanie
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complain even though I told you I wasn't going to.
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What do you think about Edge's look right now? It
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seems like he compared to when he first showed up
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before WrestleMania, there's a difference in his look and his
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demeanor that makes him feel more physically imposing, more of
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a threat, and and just more motivated and intense. And
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I think it works. I think that, you know, Vince
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mcmahn thought something was missing before, and it seems like overall,
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this presentation of Edge probably would have gotten a one
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on one match at WrestleMania against Roman Reigns.
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I think he looks good. There's there's something that works
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with an aging face, and let's face it, Edge has
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A has always had a really unique face, like he's
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almost caricature esque without being a caricature, you know, on paper,
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and when that face ages, it takes on even more
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unique character. And then when you combine that with a
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really big beard, Yeah, it's it's a it's a good
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look as far as physique, without trying to sound weird,
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like we haven't, we've only seen him fully clothed like
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this week and last week, right, so correct. Yeah, I
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remember he was a bit gaunt looking back at WrestleMania,
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so I'd say we have yet to see what the
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total package is since then.
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Yeah, he looked like a guy who'd be trying to
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sell you a mountain bike in Portland, and which is great.
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You're healthy, you're outdoorsy, you're friendly. I trust him getting
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a good price. I trust you can put me on
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a good bike that'll serve my needs. While like, it's
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all good, it's not an insult, but it didn't look
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WrestleMania main event, threat to Roman reigns and whatever he's
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doing right now, it is kind of taking care of that.
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So well, like you, like you said, it's not weird
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because it's wrestling. When we see him with less clothes on,
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you know, we'll see if it's just a bunch of
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fat and flab and it looks bad, then you know
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he just like started eating a bunch of donuts or
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you know, downing a bunch of Ico Pro or something
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and just put on a bunch of carb weight or
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or what. So we'll find out. Yeah, Edge edges promo.
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I mean, he just he he has a high IQ
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in what he says and especially how he says it,
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and there's an intensity and a deliberateness that grabs your attention.
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And he doesn't have to yell. I mean he can,
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he can get maniacal and and yell, but he doesn't
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have to and and he holds your attention. So yeah,
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I mean I thought this was good, and I mean
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it's it's money in the bank. So really, in a sense,
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it's the expectations in the bar is a little lower
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for what you expect him to deliver in this seems
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like a big match for money in the bank. Now,
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I will say Seth Rollin's complaining about Edge getting a
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title shot does tend to indicate that maybe Seth causes
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an all caps distraction that leads to Rains beating Edge,
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perhaps Jimmy gets involved, you know whatever. I mean, there's
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all kinds of shenanigans that can happen with Jimmy and
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maybe the return of Jay and who knows. But you know,
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it sounds like Seth complaining about this puts in, puts
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plants the seed that he could end up getting involved
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in that Money in the Bank match or excuse me,
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the title match, and then if he does earn his
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way into Money in the Bank, maybe he even catches
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in that night, which would be crazy, or catches in
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and doesn't succeed. I mean, there's all kinds of things
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that can happen with Seth now kind of making it
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clear he wants to be in the title picture. I
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don't expect Rains to walk out as anything but Universal Champion,
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but just throwing it out there that that was put
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out there in the universe tonight, for sure, and if
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I'm not mistaken. When the general managers made the announcement
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that Seth would face the Sorrow next week in a
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qualifier match for Money in the Bank, Seth looked kind
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of deliberately satisfied, like he was scheming something, and I don't.
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I don't.
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I don't know what direction it was in, Like you said,
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it could go into any number of directions, but he
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does seem to be planning something.
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Yes, and you know, if you do hear what's going
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to happen, don't don't say it. We're past that, don't
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It's like I'm not even saying I'm not saying it
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to like on our show, and Collers just like sort
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of putting it out there into there Wrestling Reporter universe,
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like you don't have to put spoilers out there. Like
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I think we're in an era now where it's like
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okay to not show off that, Hey, somebody told me
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what's going to happen, you know, and now we know
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what's what's booked for two shows from now. It's it's
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up to everybody to do what they want. But I
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just I don't know. I don't like that. That's a
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little sidebar, all right, So let's introduce a show. We
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Thanks for having me back. Wade.
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You mentioned that in the United States it's the fourth
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of July weekend and as we speak, I hear fireworks
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going off outside my house and reckon that. I will
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hear them for the next hour to hour and a half.
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And I like to say I'm sorry to all the
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a lot of dogs freak out and we'll be hiding
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under beds and shaking during all these explosions, and we're
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just we feel your pain, but you'll get through it
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our first call and we'll go to Sean and Tennessee Murphy,
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he's bro Shawn, Welcome to the show. Good to talk
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to you here on a Friday night.
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It's good to talk to you, Lade, Mike, Mike, how
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you doing. Good to talk to you man, Hey, John.
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Yeah.
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I wanted to go back to well to what you
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said Mike earlier about as just promo that I didn't like,
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and you hit it right on the head. That's the
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one thing I didn't like, Like, the delivery was fantastic,
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the everything about it, Elis was great except for that
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little piece I didn't really care for. But I mean
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he started the show really well, got you pumped up.
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I do like, you know, his facial expressions right now.
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I love what he's doing. But I had the first
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place I was going to go tonight. The show was
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was was pretty good. I mean I thought it was
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for overall, it was just a solid show, but going
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back to Ko and Sammy, I think, oh wait, I
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think I'm about I think I am done with them
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now wrestling each other. Like the match was was fantastic
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for what it was, very physical, hard hitting. You know,
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I like everything they did. I mean, the table spot
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was great, the you know, the stuff on the apron,
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I mean it's a good visual, but I wish they
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would stop doing apron stuff. It's just so I mean,
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Samuel is good about protecting and all that, but it
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was just that was just scary. But do you guys
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think with the so far, all the entrance and the
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money in the bank match, that there's almost too many
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baby faces right now because.
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Almost all of them are babyfaces except for I think.
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I forget what the only the heel one heel that's
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in there is right now? I think John Morrison technically
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is in there is a quote unquote heel, But other
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than that, it's all baby faces. Is that weird to
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you guys so far? Or where do you think? How
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do you think they're doing with that? And what do
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you guys think of the match in general?
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I'll throw to you first, Mike.
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I really like the match. I know that everybody has
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seen a bunch of owens and zaying together like over
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the last ten to fifteen years, depending on what promotions
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you watch. But I'm still like going to complain because
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of you're not going to get a better chemistry between.
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Two guys than those two.
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So it's going to be it's like guaranteed entertainment, unlimited
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entertainment in a ring if you just throw them in
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with or without any planning. And as for this match,
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I kind of think last man's standing matches are a
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bit of a mixed bag because it's like it's a
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match type that's got built in downtime throughout it, and
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it it changes the dynamic of a match, you know,
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and there's a lot of counting and waiting and watching
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a guy writhe around on the floor of the mat.
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But past that, it's it was really good and I
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really like the the tease how Owen's Owen set up
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the two tables stacked. They teased the like a suplex
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from the turnbucle through them. Then Owen's ends up taking
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the tables, which was a megaspot, And I really, more
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than anything else, like the ending where Owen's buried the
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needle on Owens. And that's what I think helps to
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make a match like this memorable because I'll remember that
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he put back to back to back. He put Sammy's
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ain through like an announced table, then a folding table,
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and then the ring apron that Sean mentioned, And I
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think I know what Sean is saying. I actually rewound
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that apron spot twice because it looks so brutal, and
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it does feel dangerous. It's the kind of thing that
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almost makes my heart skip a beat because like that
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looks super dangerous. But I do think, like I said
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about their chemistry, I think Owen's put them down basically
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on his ass and it but he sells it like
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his back is snapping in half. So I do think
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they did that in the safest way possible, at least
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that's what I hope as an outside observer. But it
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looks phenomenal, and yeah, I think it was a great match,
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and it kind of makes me feel like viewers should
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be for one of these two to win. They're that
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money in the bank match, whoever was going to win,
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I mean, because of what they went through. It seems
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like both of them have gone through many maybe more
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than anyone else to get into that match, So that
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makes you kind of want to pull for them, even
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if Sammy's ain is you know, an obnoxious weirdo.
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I thought the match was fantastic. I mean, yes, there's
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I mean we've seen a lot of matches between them.
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This actually for a few that sort of we revisit
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a lot, and when we do revisit it, we see
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a number of matches between them often, you know, on
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TV and pay per view. It might be the feud
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that I and I've been I've been tired of it,
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you know, I mean for sure, but it might be
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the feud that I'm most okay with when when they
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bring it back, like when I you know, I've seen
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it in multiple promotions in multiple years, and when it
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comes back. It doesn't take all that long, and it's
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been a couple of years. I mean, doesn't take all
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that long for me to be like, I'm okay with
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this because they're so good. And I thought, I'm with you,
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Mike on the last been standing matches. I thought this
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was about as good of an execution of the match
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concept as it gets. And I think part, I mean,
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Samy Kaer are just so good at a lot of
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the subtle things, and you know, the body language and
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the way they are creative with it. And I also
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want to give credit to Charles Robinson the RAF, like
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he I usually only notice referees when they're doing something annoying,
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drawing undue attention in themselves, but like in this case,
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I noticed him because he added some drama to what
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is kind of a downtime in the match. So yeah,
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it's not my favorite format of a match, but it's
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just in general. But I liked it here and I
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thought they pulled it off really well. And I thought,
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if your DVR SmackDown and you're just trying to listen
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to get a recap of what happened and a take
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on it, I think it's worth investing twenty three minutes
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in watching it. It was it was really good and
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really violent and it had a nice clean ending. So yeah,
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Sean back to you.
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Well, yeah, I just wanted to go back to real
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quick to talking about, you know, going back to the
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money in the bank, you know.
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Match itself. Yeah, do you think.
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There's too many baby places right now? Because I think
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there are? But what do you get?
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What do you think?
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Yeah, appreciate reminding me of that. Yeah, I mean it
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is at this point. Drew McIntyre, Riddle, Biggie Ricochet, John Morrison,
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Owens and so I mean I'm intrigued by it. I
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don't think it matters that much and honestly, sewn in
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a bladder match, I mean it's it's a bunch of
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spots and it's a munch of people competing, not over
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a grudge, but over a briefcase. I mean, I guess
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you could say, if there's only one Heel who gets in,
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you're gonna be thinking he's the guy who's gonna win,
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because you know, I think people think a heels more
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likely to win. But I don't know, Mike, do you
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have any early predictions?
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Well, I want Owens to win because of what I
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said earlier about tonight's last man standing. The heel that's
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in it, like we said, is Morrison and I and
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I get the thing about the heel should win because
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that's a it's a good role for a heel to
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be in to carry that that contract around. But I
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don't see Morrison winning by under any circumstance, even if
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he is the only heel remaining, and there's I believe,
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still two open spots left in that men's match, So
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uh yeah, and I totally agree with you, Wade. I
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would have said something similar about it's it's not a
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grudge match, there's not a feud. It's just a slam
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bang mashup to win the chance had a title shot.
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So the heel face dynamic is a lot less important
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because it's just going to be like one, yeah, kind
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of exciting spot lined up after another with a bunch
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of athletes going at it.
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Sean anything else for us? What do you like about
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smack on tonight?
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Yeah?
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The next thing else? Yeah, the next thing was the
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kind of going back. I know, I think it was
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last week Nick from Baderburg was talking about, you know,
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he was Matt Patt was kind of getting on his nerves.
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I thought the exact opposite tonight. I'm really enjoying Pat
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what he's doing. I'm loving I know he kind of
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goes over the top, but I actually just enjoyed it
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tonight because he's just excited about the product.
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Yeah, and I love And.
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It's not just he doesn't say all the I mean,
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he says some buzzwords, but not just over the crazily
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all the time, Like he kind of mixes it in
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here and there, but he just the way he stands
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up and they stand up and he's yelling and just
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jumping up and just getting excited about Like, are you
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guys with me on that? Like, I really enjoyed what
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he did tonight and what he's done overall. You know,
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I think he's gotten better and better kind of getting it,
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kind of getting more comfortable with things, and I think
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he's been really good. What do you guys think?
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Yeah, I've been enjoying Pat McAfee more over time. I
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think he's getting better. He knows the product. And so
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in contrast to you know, Jimmy Smith and ed Nan
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Verk who seemed who who in Verk's kse seemed and
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in Jimmy's case, seems to not be entirely familiar with
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the product, not immersed in actually watching it, and you know,
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like Jimmy's instincts on what is a big deal and
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what isn't. As I've said, it reminds me of watching
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NHL hockey with my mom, who's a casual fan, and
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she doesn't really differentiate between an actual scoring chance and routine,
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you know, bringing the puck down the ice, but there's
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plenty of defenders there to stop it, you get, you know,
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she gets really excited indiscriminately, and that's how Jimmy has been.
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And it's fun watching hockey with her. I love doing it.
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But that's what it reminds you. He like, is really
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overly excited at things that are really pretty routine because
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he doesn't know, or he's maybe he does, and he's
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just trying too hard to make everything a ten out
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of ten or eleven out of ten. So you know,
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but he's got I thought he was better this week
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than you know, last week, and last week is better
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than the week before, so you know, I think there's
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room to grow into that role. And a lot of
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that is how he's produced with McAfee. I had never
484
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had that problem. You know, he seems, like you say,
485
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Sean genuinely a fan of the product into the product.
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I feel he is amplifying a lot of his emotion
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for drama and effect, but I actually believe like they're
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real emotions, Like don't I don't think like he's completely
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checked out and he's just completely faking it. I think
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he gets in his zone and he makes me believe
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that he cares. Now, all that said, I was thinking
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during the show, like Yushan, I really enjoy him. I
493
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thought there at some point, I don't remember where it was,
494
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you starting to get on my nerves a little so
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and I haven't felt that lately. I thought he probably
496
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needed to, you know, drink one less red Bull before
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the show or something. It was a little he got
498
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a little too much for me. It's, you know, in
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that sense, it's sort of personal taste. But I thought
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maybe he started to overdo it a bit. I got
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a huge kick out of him getting super excited for
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Shinsky Nakamer's ring entrance in Rick Book's playing guitar and
503
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standing on the desk and then sitting on Michael Cole's
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head is a great television moment. If you've been watching
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WWE the last twenty plus years, so I like that
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part of things. So I mean it's it's mostly a
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thumbs up for McAfee because I like my announcers to
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know the product and not be faking it and not
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be hired for the wrong reasons because of something on
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the resume that has nothing to do with their experience
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and competence and product knowledge. And I think it's insulting
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the fans when they hire people for those reasons. McAfee
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clearly checks all the boxes on that side, but also
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checks the box of he knows the products, he knows
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a product, and he gets it. So yeah, I'm I
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consider myself a fan, and I was very open to
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not liking his noting at all. I was very open
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to that possibility, but I went in with an open mind,
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and I wouldn't say won me over.
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I don't know.
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I wouldn't say won me over as much as just, well, yeah,
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I guess he won me over. But that implies I
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was against him to begin with, and I really wasn't.
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Hey, everyone, long time PW Torch commist Sean radikin here
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to let you know I've rebamped and renewed their Atticant
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Worldwide podcast for twenty twenty six, a weekly VIP exclusive.
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Every week, I break down four or five of the
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biggest trending topics in pro wrestling. I also present at
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my analysis, providing insight that helps you understand the story
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better or see it another way. Then maybe is the
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controversial takeout there? Then I bring on a special guest
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for the second half of the podcast. Sometimes it's a
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wrestler or someone else who works in the business. Other
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times it's a guest analyst who brings their specialized point
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of view out a particular key topic in the news.
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Recent guests have included Bronson Reid from WWE and PCO.
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One of my areas of specialty is the japan wrestling scene,
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so I often cover a big topic from Japan with
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PW Torch's own Alan Farrell, Kelly Wells, and Chris Lansdell.
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I don't just cover the news. I don't just riff
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on the news or give a standard hot take. I'll
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bring my decades of studying this industry and talking one
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on one with dozens of wrestling promoters to each week's
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show so you understand not just what's happening, but the
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context of why get ahead of the news, get ahead
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of the pack with racking worldwide only at PW Torch VIP.
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Mike, how about you, how's Pat McAfee doing.
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I like Pat McAfee.
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Like you said, he knows the product, and I don't
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think he could possibly come off the way he does
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if he didn't have a true appreciation for it, if
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he wasn't a fan himself. And then, like any of
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the best acts, the whole the classic thing is that
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the best act is a piece of your real self,
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but just dialed way up for to make yourself a
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sensational character. And that's what I think he's done. I
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think he's got a ton of charisma, and he's built
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to talk on a microphone. He's really good at this,
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and I feel like you could just look at him
560
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at any moment and he could just start shouting something
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that would contextually make sense. And his excitability is part
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of what makes him funny to me. If I had
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I don't know if it would depend on the timeframe,
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I'm sure it would it would wear thin eventually, But
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in a show like SmackDown, I think it works pretty well.
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And yeah, I'm a fan.
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I think he's most comparative to Mark Madden as kind
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of a a sports talk guy who's a loudmouth and
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mombastic and but but but there's a definite different personality.
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But he's he's probably the color commentator. He that that
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is most comparable Madden from the w W Nitro days.
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So yeah, I think it's I mean, I get in
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part they did it because they want Fox executives who
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don't know wrestling and would know who you know other
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you know, just they're they're trying to hire people to
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seem mainstream and crossover and and impressed TV executives because
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what they're doing now pretty much across the board isn't
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for the fans. It's it's for executives who are gonna
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help you know, who are buying the product and paying
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for it flat fees for it. And McAfee I think
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is a good, uh, a good version of of that
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type of rationale for hiring shot by Oh go ahead, Mike, yep.
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Yeah.
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One other thing I want to mention is that to me,
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he doesn't seem to be trying to channel any one
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single like heal color commentator from the time from the past.
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You know what I mean, Like he doesn't sound he's
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trying to imitate a Bobby Heenan or Jesse Ventura or
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something like that. I feel like he's his own thing
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and that also goes a long way.
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And as a talk radio host and just a loudmouth,
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mombastic personality to begin with, who's smart, articulate, has a
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good voice, and has a lot of practice finding a
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way to make a well developed personality on radio and
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what personality just as a public figure, and to fit
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that in not sort of wedge it in and curate
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it to fit what is asked of color commentators in WWB.
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Isn't it given? It doesn't mean it's going to work.
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You know, there's some great wrestling promos who weren't good
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color analysts, and there's some So I think he's done
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a good job fitting in. And I think he you know,
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working with Michael Cole certainly helps because Cole is a pro,
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he knows the system, He's worked with a lot of people,
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and you know, I think he's an affable professional mentor
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to guide McAfee in a good direction. And so I
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think Cole gets gets some added credit for that. Also,
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Sean back to for anything else before we move on.
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Yeah, well number one, I love the two man booth anyway,
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Like I love that it's just two on there. It's
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so much better. Like I wish they'd get away from
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the three man stuff all together. But the last thing
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I was going to bring up before I get off
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here was going back to It was good seeing Zelina
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Vega back like that was cool.
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I enjoyed that.
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But the stuff with her and Lives like Live comes
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out talks about how she doesn't deserve the opportunity, which yeah,
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that's true. She just kind of came back. She doesn't
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really deserve one. I mean, you believe her, it doesn't
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make sense. And then she's like, let me prove it.
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It's kind of a mixed bag to me, like let
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me prove it. And then the referee you know, actually
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sees somebody pulling on the tights, which okay, I like
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that they she saw that and said no, I'm not
625
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letting that go. And then Live just you know, kind
626
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of gets back at her and rolls her up, which
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is good to beat them at their own game in
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some ways, but it's like, how does that prove how
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do you prove anything about being in the Money in
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the Bank match by just rolling someone up on a fluke, Like,
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I don't know how that.
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I just don't know what.
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They're doing some of these women on Smack, I just
634
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don't It doesn't make sense to me. What did you
635
00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:33.720
guys think of the overall segment? Do you like what
636
00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:36.279
they're doing with Live I feel like Live Again has talent,
637
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but I feel like they're just like kind of misusing
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it again and they're not really using her in the
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right way. And I wanted to stay real quick. I
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hope everybody has a happiness. Say fourth of July, Wade,
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you're the best as always, Mike get taught to you.
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Thank you guys for taking my fall as always.
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Thanks Sean, I appreciate it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Selena Vega being brought back and then getting entered into
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Money in the Bank, you know, it's like it's like
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one thing to say, you know, edge as Pierce, did
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you know what his resume is accomplishments in you know,
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besides you won the Royal Rumble, like to try to,
651
00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:12.920
you know, fend off seth being upset. But Zelenavega getting
652
00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:17.359
just gifted into the match was constructed. It was forced
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into the storyline because I wanted to give Live another
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win on TV and an excuse to complain about somebody
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else getting in. I didn't like it. I mean, I
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just I think it made it killed Sonya Deville's credibility.
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You know.
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Sonya hinted at kind of being a heel or being
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up to something that seems to have That's not something
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that they've been doing as much with, if at all,
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in recent weeks, which is fine. It's either do layed
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or dropped. But she did seem credible and smart, and
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I just I need something more, you know, from from
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an authority figure or else. I need the announcers to
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be on my side as a viewer and against Sonya Deville.
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I need my announcers to state the obvious one of them,
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which is, what the hell did she do to earn
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this shot? You know what? Sonya thinking this makes a
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mockery of qualifying matches over unraw and qualifying matches for men.
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Like everybody's thinking that. And WW can't just pretend that
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people aren't thinking that, or that it doesn't matter, you know,
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I mean, well, you know it should matter to them,
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whether whether it does or not, it should, So I
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didn't like that at all.
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Now.
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I liked it better when Lift came out and at
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least said what I was thinking, But it still needed
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to be said. You know, Sony either neither needed to
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explain herself better or the announcers needed to also back
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up Live more. So I just thought that was, Okay,
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here's what we want to do. Now, let's explain it
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in reverse. Let's let's create a backstory for it. And
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it just didn't make sense of the entry hard enough.
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So I had a real issue with that. I mean,
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Zelena can talk, she can wrestle, but the idea of
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her having some sort of established resume that would justify
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her getting in on money in the bank, no, that
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she doesn't, and I didn't like that. We're gonna talk
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more about Live after that, but Mike, your thoughts on.
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The setup, Yeah, the whole situation is kind of strange.
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I mean, apart from everything else, it's exciting to see
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Zelena Vega back in the picture because they can always
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use more like star like star like stars to come on,
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especially if you could talk as well as she can.
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That's that's awesome. But it's almost like they they're telling
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me some weird weeks long story using the women's money
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in the bank as like the plot point and Live
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Morgan and how she's just sort of it kind of
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feels to me like that there isn't an explanation coming
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is a part of the story, like something some this
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force is working against Live for some reason. Why are
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00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:51.039
these less deserving people getting in without a reason? And
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she it's clear that Live is upset about it, so
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it's not completely like it's not just flowing over the
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audience without any explanation, without anybody wondering what's going on,
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Like if nothing else the main character is concerned about it,
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who should be? And I don't know where they're going
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with it or if they're going to go anywhere constructive
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with it. I hope they do, because it's if what
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I'm saying is true, it could end up being kind
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of interesting. But it is, like you said, totally inconsistent
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with how they're treating the men's match, and that's not
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being addressed. That won't be addressed either way, I'm guessing.
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I don't know.
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I just want to see if they're doing something with
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00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:42.559
Live and if she's gonna benefit from this somehow. As
717
00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:46.280
to what Sean was saying with like the roll up pin,
718
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:49.719
I kind of thought the same thing, Like it's basically, yeah,
719
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:52.039
if well, if my opponent's gonna cheat, I'm gonna use
720
00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:54.639
the same move against her. It just worked in my favor,
721
00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:59.320
by her, my favor, I mean Live's favor. The thing is,
722
00:36:59.559 --> 00:37:04.559
they're not willing to give this storyline, if that's what
723
00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:08.159
it is, even much more than a few minutes each episode.
724
00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:10.519
So they're not going to have a long match. They're
725
00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:16.199
not going to have Vega and Live go ten fifteen minutes.
726
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:18.920
They just need to get them in, get Live the
727
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:22.920
quick win, to keep that stretch going, and then get
728
00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:24.480
them out of the ring for the next thing. So
729
00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:27.239
I think that that's just how it's going to be.
730
00:37:27.320 --> 00:37:28.679
It's going to be a quick match with a roll
731
00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:30.599
up because they're not going to build up to a
732
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:32.159
real finish and.
733
00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:34.559
They don't like to do a ton of violence if
734
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:36.360
they don't have to, you know, they like, there's going
735
00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:37.840
to be a roll up finish and you're just kind
736
00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:42.480
of telling a story. It just strategically, they just don't
737
00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:45.360
want women or really wrestlers in general, to be doing
738
00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:50.960
a bunch of a bunch of like hard hitting moves
739
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:53.440
like that. It's just sort of a protect the wrestlers
740
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:54.960
type thing if they want to tell a quick story
741
00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:56.360
to get in and out and if you're going to
742
00:37:56.440 --> 00:37:57.920
do a roll of finish. But yeah, I mean, I
743
00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:00.000
don't what you're proving when you yank on someone's tie.
744
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:02.639
It's when they tried to yank on your tights, is
745
00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:04.280
you can win with the ink of the tights. But
746
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:05.719
you know, Sean's a right, what does that prove in
747
00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:07.760
terms of how you'll do in a money in the
748
00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:10.920
bank ladder match? But this is a wrestling company that
749
00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:14.440
gives someone a world title match on the grandest stage
750
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:16.920
of them all against the top wrestler of their choosing
751
00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:21.559
to main event WrestleMania because they win a Royal Rumble
752
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:24.519
where the skill set to win a Battle Royal which
753
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:26.679
includes the luck of a draw of maybe entering number
754
00:38:26.679 --> 00:38:28.280
thirty and throwing somebody out who has been in there
755
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:30.599
for an hour. I mean, there could be a more
756
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:33.199
disconn greater disconnect between the skill set to beat a
757
00:38:33.280 --> 00:38:35.039
champion one on one and what it takes to win
758
00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:37.920
a Royal Rumble luck or not. It's just dumb. I mean,
759
00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:39.519
it's just like I mean, it's great, it's exciting. I
760
00:38:39.559 --> 00:38:41.000
love that time of year, but I mean the logic
761
00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:43.639
is just not there. So if we're going to get
762
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:46.320
into is literally proving anything by yanking on the tights.
763
00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:48.639
I mean we got There's a lot more we can
764
00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:53.119
deconstruct about WWE's internal logic on how they make decisions.
765
00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:56.079
And I'd be more hung up on Zelenaveka getting granted
766
00:38:56.119 --> 00:38:58.639
a spot, and I think Live proved something where they
767
00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:02.800
go with Live. I don't know. I think giving her
768
00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:04.280
TV time is a good thing. In fact, we got
769
00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:08.320
an email ono, let me read this. Jack A from Swansea,
770
00:39:08.360 --> 00:39:10.159
Wales says, Hey, wait, hope you're doing well. I've been
771
00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:11.840
a big fan of Live Morgan's for a while now.
772
00:39:11.840 --> 00:39:14.840
I thought Vince would have tried since the pandemic to
773
00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:17.199
give her a decent push. Maybe it was because she
774
00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:19.320
was in a tag team, but now with a lack
775
00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:21.480
of woman on SmackDown, I really think she could carry
776
00:39:21.519 --> 00:39:24.079
on getting more TV time. Two wins in the last
777
00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:25.960
two weeks end up placing money in the bank is
778
00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:28.280
a good start. She's always had a pretty decent following
779
00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:30.920
online and I think after Ruby being released and before
780
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:33.800
her Sarah Logan fans feels sort of sympathy for her.
781
00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:36.119
She's always putting videos up online of her working on
782
00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:39.159
her in ring game at Tyson Kidd and Italias Gym.
783
00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:42.039
And it's still very young. We often say about where
784
00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:43.840
are We often ask where the younger wrestlers in w
785
00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:46.920
coming through. I believe she's only twenty seven, so she's
786
00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:48.800
got many years ahead of her. What do you think?
787
00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:50.719
I think she's going to get a pretty good reaction
788
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:52.840
of money in the bank assuming those two wins get
789
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:55.000
her in the match. There's a lot more upside there
790
00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:59.159
than going with someone like Carmela Again. So yeah, I mean,
791
00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:01.679
I'd like to see Live Morgan in a match that
792
00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:05.039
feels more substantial, to get more of a feel, more
793
00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:06.400
of a feel for. But I think in terms of
794
00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:09.039
her charisma, her personality, just what you see when you
795
00:40:09.079 --> 00:40:11.599
see her on the screen, I mean, she seems like
796
00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:15.280
she's in the top, you know, top third of women
797
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:19.559
worth giving a push to. I thought Selenabago was kind
798
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:22.039
of spot on with her imitation of her nasally whiny voice,
799
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:24.280
which maybe isn't good. You don't want to be laughing
800
00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:27.000
at the heels imitation. You want to think that they're exaggerating.
801
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:28.920
I'm not sure that she was actually exaggerating much, so
802
00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:31.840
I didn't think it was great performance to Live Morgan,
803
00:40:31.880 --> 00:40:34.719
But in general, I think there's something there, and she's
804
00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:37.000
been defined down for years, so you know, you kind
805
00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:39.400
of want to tell a story where she's having a
806
00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:41.599
fight to earn respect, and I think that's a baby
807
00:40:41.639 --> 00:40:45.239
face storyline to tell. I just wish they were telling
808
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:50.000
it better and more logically than granting, you know, people
809
00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:52.719
spots in the match. Carmela, you can make a case for,
810
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:56.400
I guess, not relative to O, not relative to others
811
00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:58.719
who had to qualify, but she's relative to the women's division.
812
00:40:58.760 --> 00:41:01.639
But Selena just makes sense. So I'm still a bit
813
00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:03.719
hung up on that. But Mike, your thoughts on what
814
00:41:03.840 --> 00:41:06.599
Jack had to say about Live and also what do
815
00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:09.440
you think it matters that much if somebody has an
816
00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:11.920
online following when it comes to whether they're going to
817
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:14.679
be popular or you're going to push them or is
818
00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:17.800
your calculus that it's nice to have an online following.
819
00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:21.599
It's not positive, but it's it's hardly like if you're
820
00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:24.559
a promoter, a reason to push or not push someone.
821
00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:28.360
To speak to that first. I don't think it matters
822
00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:30.320
that damn to Vince McMahon. If you have a big
823
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:33.920
online following, he wouldn't know what that is. That's not
824
00:41:33.960 --> 00:41:38.719
something that would click in his head. But a huge
825
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:43.960
online following can potentially convert into a positive crowd response
826
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:49.320
when you're in a live arena. So to that end, yes,
827
00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:52.440
a huge online following definitely matters if those same people
828
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:55.480
are coming to shows to see you. That's about it.
829
00:41:56.519 --> 00:41:59.960
As for live as an act, she's never really blown
830
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:03.360
me away in any one category, let alone two or
831
00:42:03.400 --> 00:42:04.880
three categories, you know.
832
00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:08.079
And I don't know.
833
00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:11.440
I mean, I'm not a pro wrestling scout, but I
834
00:42:11.480 --> 00:42:14.599
don't know if it's a result of her never getting
835
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:19.159
a good push or a quality push or the right push,
836
00:42:19.320 --> 00:42:23.280
you know what I mean, or if it's just me
837
00:42:23.559 --> 00:42:26.920
personal preference. But she's always just kind of blended into
838
00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:28.199
the middle, and.
839
00:42:30.519 --> 00:42:31.519
It's kind of shocking.
840
00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:36.079
I think the emailer said, like Vince might like to
841
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:39.800
push her, and she does tick some boxes that I
842
00:42:39.800 --> 00:42:45.599
think Vince would like. But and I think I would
843
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:49.559
have liked to see more with Ruby Riot before her dismissal,
844
00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:53.960
and that was underused as well. So I don't know,
845
00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:57.320
I'd like to see her given more opportunity to show
846
00:42:57.360 --> 00:42:59.920
me something. But yeah, I'm just kind of in the middle.
847
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:01.599
I'm kind of in the middle with Live.
848
00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:02.599
Yeah.
849
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:05.000
Yeah, I think she's got more to proof, but I
850
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:06.480
would take a chance on her. I mean, it's it's
851
00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:08.880
a shallow division. I don't think, oh, she should have
852
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:10.679
been cut by now. You know, She's not like somebody
853
00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:16.320
who jumps out like that to me. So if you're
854
00:43:16.360 --> 00:43:18.679
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855
00:43:18.760 --> 00:43:20.920
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856
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857
00:43:23.119 --> 00:43:25.679
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00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:30.840
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860
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861
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862
00:43:35.039 --> 00:43:44.360
much for listening. All right, let's let's go next here
863
00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:47.199
to Kyle and Baltimore A kau Welcome to the show.
864
00:43:47.239 --> 00:43:49.199
Happy fourth of July weekend. Would you think it's back
865
00:43:49.239 --> 00:43:49.639
on tonight?
866
00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:54.119
H yeah, I think I thought this was really get
867
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:54.599
sat down.
868
00:43:54.639 --> 00:43:55.880
I think it's gonna start it for a while.
869
00:43:55.920 --> 00:43:58.719
For me, I want to go back to to that's
870
00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:01.079
cheesy to talk about it is about lind Morgan and
871
00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:03.159
Bailey Bianca. I guess I'll talk about that first. As
872
00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:05.000
you talk about that you have about and Bailey the
873
00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:10.039
face off and that I'm starting to get tired of
874
00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:12.840
Bailey and Biaka facing each other displaying. It's starrying to
875
00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:16.039
get It's like like like like everything on this show
876
00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:19.079
is super repetitive, but but Maley, the women, they're super
877
00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:23.039
repetitive of of, you know, because of a lack of women.
878
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:26.199
But Bianca and Bailey their face to face, you know,
879
00:44:26.199 --> 00:44:29.519
it was fine, but I just was watching like kind.
880
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:30.639
Of like getting bored.
881
00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:33.440
It was like are we heard this before? Over and
882
00:44:33.440 --> 00:44:36.679
over and over again. At some point it's it's repetitive,
883
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:40.239
getting boring. I quit match things should be a fun match,
884
00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:42.880
but it's like they had they had hell in itself
885
00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:45.000
and every time she, Bailey and Biaka states each other
886
00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:48.280
they have good matches, But I don't. It doesn't blow
887
00:44:48.360 --> 00:44:52.599
me away. I'm not overly not overly amazed, like like
888
00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:54.800
I think back to the you know hell the Cell match.
889
00:44:55.000 --> 00:44:55.920
It was a fine match.
890
00:44:55.960 --> 00:44:58.840
I liked, it was great but it was but every
891
00:44:58.840 --> 00:45:01.039
time I was watching it, that can help. But to
892
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:04.039
think back of Josh and Bailey last year pretty much,
893
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:06.559
so I watched that match last year, and then their
894
00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:10.920
matches were just they're okay, but I'm just I'm not
895
00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:11.800
all that interested.
896
00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:12.719
So it's so.
897
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:15.840
Very I don't know, I'm not, I'm not. It doesn't
898
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:19.320
blow me away or anything like that. And and Bailey
899
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:22.679
siring is like, I don't know, this is this this
900
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:27.960
entire few it's just I'm not that feeling getting so.
901
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:30.239
We got we got you, we got you. Let let
902
00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:31.599
me let me throw to Mike because we haven't talked
903
00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:34.840
about that yet. I think Bailey is great. I think
904
00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:39.159
bel Air is you know, hit or miss, still trying
905
00:45:39.199 --> 00:45:43.400
to find, you know, the right tone to take on promos, uh,
906
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:47.599
to not come across as off puttingly excessively impressed with
907
00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:52.519
herself and you know it's been clumsy. Uh, they seem
908
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:56.760
aware of it. And then the acting today was what
909
00:45:56.800 --> 00:45:58.679
they asked of Abance at the end there to kind
910
00:45:58.679 --> 00:46:02.400
of laugh and and then Bailey's like what, and she
911
00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:03.920
just said, well, I thought I was tired of hearing
912
00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:05.360
you talk, but now I just can't wait to make
913
00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:09.079
you say I quit. It was a little uncomfortable because
914
00:46:09.079 --> 00:46:10.599
it kind of got dragged down, but I don't think
915
00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:12.880
it was like terrible. It's sometimes it's hard to judge
916
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:17.719
wrestling acting relative to how you judge other acting. It
917
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:19.519
was a little uncoverable, but I thought it worked in
918
00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:22.239
part because Bailey kind of stole the scene with her
919
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:24.280
wait wait, wait, what did I just get myself into?
920
00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:26.280
And why aren't you more scared? Why are you so happy?
921
00:46:26.599 --> 00:46:30.480
So I get what they were doing. I think in
922
00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:33.960
a broad brushstroke way, it made the match more appealing
923
00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:38.039
because Bailey talked herself into a situation and she's an
924
00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:40.880
effective heel. And I think Bailey is a pro, and
925
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:43.920
I think she's helping Bellair be more likable, and I
926
00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:46.400
think it's good when she's sharing. When Bellair is sharing
927
00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:48.960
them with Bailey, I think it makes bel Air more
928
00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:52.559
likable because Bailey's trying really hard to be, you know,
929
00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:55.920
genuinely someone you want to see get shown up, you know,
930
00:46:55.960 --> 00:46:59.320
get get embarrassed or just lose. Mike your thoughts on
931
00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:01.840
that segment. The bel Air journey's going, and just Bailey
932
00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:03.239
as a performer, ye.
933
00:47:03.320 --> 00:47:05.440
Bell Air has been an ongoing topic of a discussion
934
00:47:05.480 --> 00:47:07.880
every single time I've I've been on the show, yep,
935
00:47:08.440 --> 00:47:11.960
and if if every appearance of hers has to be
936
00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:14.719
graded is either a hit or a miss, I would
937
00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:19.000
give tonight. I would call tonight a hit, and mainly
938
00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:20.639
because it didn't miss.
939
00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:21.599
Right, I know what you mean?
940
00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:26.119
Yeah, yeah, she she didn't act petulant, she didn't act narcissistic,
941
00:47:26.519 --> 00:47:29.920
and those are that's like the danger zone for her.
942
00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:32.679
She didn't talk about shining a belt so she can
943
00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:35.679
look at a reflection, right. She didn't say when you
944
00:47:35.679 --> 00:47:38.280
shine as bright as I do, the haters are gonna hate. Like,
945
00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:40.599
there's just none of those cringey lines where you're like,
946
00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:43.000
I don't, I don't know how like who's writing for
947
00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:46.159
you or who thinks that's going to go over with
948
00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:48.320
the audience as a babyface type of thing to say,
949
00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:52.719
But it's it's bad judgment. And when in have sort
950
00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:55.800
of that that what jaw drop like line or moment
951
00:47:55.880 --> 00:47:58.679
that was kind of wedged in either because it's the
952
00:47:58.760 --> 00:48:00.840
natural direction or care or had been going when they
953
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:03.199
weren't thinking hard about it, or they were trying too
954
00:48:03.239 --> 00:48:05.679
hard to make up for and explain why we should
955
00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:08.360
be okay with her. You know how impress she is
956
00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:09.840
with herself, and how she can't stop talking about how
957
00:48:09.880 --> 00:48:11.639
impress she is with herself, and why that shouldn't be
958
00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:14.519
something where why she would we should like it because
959
00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:16.639
you know, twenty five years ago she was picked on
960
00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:17.920
on a playground or something.
961
00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:19.480
Right, and.
962
00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:24.079
It might all be rooted in the her eest gimmick,
963
00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:27.719
and they might and none of that stuff is her fault,
964
00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:30.519
by the way that I mean that hopefully that's obvious,
965
00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:33.159
but none of that is her fault. Like she's awesome,
966
00:48:33.199 --> 00:48:37.079
but sometimes the wrong stuff gets put in her lap
967
00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:39.440
and she's got to deal with it or work with it.
968
00:48:41.119 --> 00:48:45.679
I feel like, Yeah, the weirdest thing about tonight's segment
969
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:49.800
with Bailey was Bianca doing the laughter. But thank goodness,
970
00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:54.199
it wasn't the cackling, like the sort of Bailey level cackling.
971
00:48:54.280 --> 00:48:56.760
It was more of a and again you were talking
972
00:48:56.800 --> 00:49:00.880
about acting, but it was a more subdued human level
973
00:49:01.119 --> 00:49:04.760
of laughter. And then what she followed up with actually
974
00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:09.000
kind of made sense, and it wasn't so pithy and
975
00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:13.760
pre written that it felt like a lot of other
976
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:18.960
wbe writing, you know, so I thought this was above
977
00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:23.679
average considering how up and down I felt about about
978
00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:24.320
her segments.
979
00:49:25.840 --> 00:49:28.199
Uh, very good. Uh, Kyle, back to you for any
980
00:49:28.199 --> 00:49:29.199
follow up or a new topic.
981
00:49:30.440 --> 00:49:32.800
Yeah. Lets I say about that part is that I
982
00:49:33.000 --> 00:49:36.400
just you know, it's starting to again. I'm just I'm
983
00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:38.440
just getting tired of it. Hopefully I didn't tell my
984
00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:41.639
biggest last match up there for a while, so I said,
985
00:49:41.719 --> 00:49:43.280
I want to get Ben and I still I want
986
00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:48.239
to get to the the leg Maria Zelena Vega situation match,
987
00:49:48.320 --> 00:49:52.440
and I I love, I'm glad that Zelena is back
988
00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:55.719
any more women on on Raw AND's thattdown rarely and
989
00:49:55.800 --> 00:49:59.719
then so glad that she's back in. But I thought
990
00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:02.519
it just think she comes back and live again beats
991
00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:05.800
another wrestler. So for me, I've always been a big,
992
00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:08.800
a big live Mortga fan anyway for a while since
993
00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:12.159
you've been by herself as a sales competitor since some
994
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:16.280
last year. But I have no idea what why why
995
00:50:16.280 --> 00:50:19.320
they're doing this to win Morgan really well, why why
996
00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:21.079
White Story is not having her in the many Bake
997
00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:23.719
Ladder match at this point, she beat Carmela twice, she
998
00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:27.800
does beat Zelena, and yet Carmela and Zelina are in
999
00:50:27.800 --> 00:50:29.880
the Mighty Bake Lauda match in that Lived Morgan, I
1000
00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:32.280
don't get. I'm very fine and bizarre. I don't know
1001
00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:34.599
when she I'm expected her to be in the many
1002
00:50:34.599 --> 00:50:36.440
Fake Lounder match. I don't know how many spesssor left
1003
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:40.599
at this point on the sat down side. So maybe
1004
00:50:40.639 --> 00:50:43.119
by the maybe by the time it's in two weeks,
1005
00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:45.159
she'll be in the many Tha match. When when, when
1006
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:47.239
fans are back, I guess, so people will just gotta
1007
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:49.559
have her in the match, probably somehow, I don't know,
1008
00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:51.079
but I'm said to her be in the match even
1009
00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:52.480
probably when, even probably when?
1010
00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:53.320
When? When?
1011
00:50:53.400 --> 00:50:53.559
When?
1012
00:50:53.639 --> 00:50:56.679
When the briefcase or take was what was Alexa? But
1013
00:50:56.719 --> 00:50:58.400
the fact that they keep doing this was Live Morgan
1014
00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:01.760
every single week now get really annoying to the point
1015
00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:03.760
where I think, whatever she is in the match, you
1016
00:51:03.800 --> 00:51:05.480
will whin the not only be in the match, but
1017
00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:07.800
also wind the briefcase. But that's my thought about that.
1018
00:51:09.559 --> 00:51:11.639
Uh, anything I want to add to that, Mike, No,
1019
00:51:11.800 --> 00:51:16.400
I think I'm good. Yeah, I'll call anything else for us.
1020
00:51:16.119 --> 00:51:17.679
Uh share about the.
1021
00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:21.639
I guess the last thing is about the Last Man's
1022
00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:24.519
Standing match. Kevin Owens and Sammy Zay and about that shit,
1023
00:51:24.599 --> 00:51:28.800
I was really good match. I really did enjoy that,
1024
00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:32.920
and that's always in the matches cool to see. I
1025
00:51:32.920 --> 00:51:35.719
don't know where that you know every time and every
1026
00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:38.440
every time I Kevin Owen the same thing face each other.
1027
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:41.920
It is really good and really, even though I should
1028
00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:44.760
get tired of it, kind of not. But overall it
1029
00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:46.920
was a really good match. But I think the main
1030
00:51:46.960 --> 00:51:48.440
thing I really really going to talk about was the
1031
00:51:48.559 --> 00:51:52.239
Edge promo where the start start of the show was
1032
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:56.719
that him being so I just love Edge every time
1033
00:51:56.800 --> 00:51:59.519
he's every time he touched the promo because he's like
1034
00:51:59.559 --> 00:52:01.800
he always I always fight him so engaged.
1035
00:52:01.840 --> 00:52:02.480
He was actually the.
1036
00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:04.159
First person I saw when I were when I when
1037
00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:06.840
I started watching wrestling, So whether every time I every
1038
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:09.119
time he cuts the promo gets so I get so
1039
00:52:09.239 --> 00:52:12.239
invested and what you always have to say and and
1040
00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:18.239
uh and tonight was different and be see more invested
1041
00:52:18.320 --> 00:52:23.119
in there and rains and Edge for Maney and Bake
1042
00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:26.280
and then potentially rollins if he's going to be involved
1043
00:52:26.280 --> 00:52:29.760
in some way heading into Summerslamp. But that Edge promo promo,
1044
00:52:29.800 --> 00:52:31.880
that is really good to see and if he's so
1045
00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:34.559
That's why I'm really a big edge stand of the
1046
00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:36.519
promos and the matches that he puts out there, but
1047
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:39.800
I say, bo edge him throughout this fear was rain
1048
00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:40.239
so far?
1049
00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:43.440
All right? Cool? Thanks call Mike. What where are you
1050
00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:49.199
overall on on edge as a as a returning star?
1051
00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:52.360
Just kind of in general? Like is he top top tier?
1052
00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:52.679
Is he?
1053
00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:55.039
Do you think he's a difference maker? Are you surprised
1054
00:52:55.079 --> 00:52:57.280
I had him come back not in front of a crowd,
1055
00:52:57.360 --> 00:52:59.320
but prior to that. I guess that just has to
1056
00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:00.840
do with the timing of getting money in the bank
1057
00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:02.920
and before they get in front of fans in Houston.
1058
00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:08.280
Yeah, I'm assuming they might have something bigger planned for
1059
00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:11.519
the next paper view, which is Summer Slam, one of
1060
00:53:11.559 --> 00:53:14.519
the tent poles. So yeah, the time, the time, he's
1061
00:53:14.559 --> 00:53:19.519
not ideal to introduce him because we're what two weeks
1062
00:53:19.599 --> 00:53:25.199
or three weeks away from live audiences again, almost done
1063
00:53:25.239 --> 00:53:26.960
with a thunderdome the end of an era.
1064
00:53:29.639 --> 00:53:32.159
I think I have a big garage sale for all
1065
00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:34.159
those monitors, Like what's kind are they going to store
1066
00:53:34.199 --> 00:53:38.039
it in case there's you know, COVID twenty two next year,
1067
00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:40.559
Like I'm curious, Like what happens to that thing? It's
1068
00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:42.880
it's not cheap and it would be hard to just
1069
00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:44.840
it'd be a bummer to have to reconstruct it a
1070
00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:47.159
year and a half. If if pandemics turn out to
1071
00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:51.000
be a regular thing, hopefully not knock on wood. But yeah,
1072
00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:53.079
I'm just I'm kind of curious what happens to that.
1073
00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:53.760
Well.
1074
00:53:53.800 --> 00:53:56.760
A few months ago I lobbied for them to destroy
1075
00:53:56.880 --> 00:54:00.440
the Thunderdome set in a some kind of hillacious match.
1076
00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:00.760
Yeah.
1077
00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:04.199
Then I was having a laugh about that, and so
1078
00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:06.559
is our entire audience. But then you said no, that
1079
00:54:06.599 --> 00:54:09.800
there's going to be another pandemic mic. Yeah, those monitors,
1080
00:54:09.880 --> 00:54:16.199
and we all sighed, We what was the question? What
1081
00:54:16.239 --> 00:54:17.239
were we just talking about?
1082
00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:19.760
Oh Edge?
1083
00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:21.559
Oh Edge?
1084
00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:26.159
Yeah he I don't know when he when he appeared
1085
00:54:26.199 --> 00:54:28.239
last week, I was just kind of like, oh Edge
1086
00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:30.639
is back, and that's the thing, Like there hasn't been
1087
00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:33.719
a tremendous absence. He was around for WrestleMania, and that
1088
00:54:33.800 --> 00:54:36.039
wasn't that long ago. He is a he is a
1089
00:54:36.039 --> 00:54:39.159
big name, and they obviously use him sparingly. But I
1090
00:54:39.199 --> 00:54:43.519
wasn't like blown away by it. I guess I'm more
1091
00:54:43.519 --> 00:54:46.719
intrigued this week kind of because of what Kyle was saying,
1092
00:54:46.760 --> 00:54:49.920
like he is a really intriguing promo and I kind
1093
00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:53.719
of wanted to say this earlier in the show's opening
1094
00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:56.679
when we were talking about him. But he is so
1095
00:54:57.199 --> 00:54:59.960
in control, maybe more than anybody else on the raw
1096
00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:02.519
on the microphone, like there's no.
1097
00:55:04.440 --> 00:55:05.000
There's no.
1098
00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:09.519
Lack of confidence. He's sure about everything and you can
1099
00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:11.719
just rest assured that everything that happens is going to
1100
00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:13.719
go exactly as plan in his head, and you know
1101
00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:16.480
it's it's going to be executed well, and it is.
1102
00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:22.360
It's just nice watching somebody so confident on the microphone
1103
00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:26.280
work like that. But yeah, I do think he's kind
1104
00:55:26.320 --> 00:55:29.719
of like a big ish name stopgap until we get
1105
00:55:29.719 --> 00:55:32.719
to the next big show, and to that end, I
1106
00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:36.400
think he's he's effective at that and obviously he's doing
1107
00:55:36.639 --> 00:55:39.639
his fair share on the mic and he has been
1108
00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:45.880
physical his first two weeks since returning, and yeah, he's
1109
00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:47.360
he's doing an awesome job.
1110
00:55:50.239 --> 00:55:53.800
I'm Chris Maitlan, I'm Justin McClellan. We host Wrestling Coast
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00:55:53.800 --> 00:55:55.920
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00:55:56.280 --> 00:55:58.519
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All right, let's move to Sam Nebraska next. Sam, thanks
1124
00:56:36.840 --> 00:56:38.880
for calling. What's in your mind about SmackDown tonight?
1125
00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:42.719
Yeah, I just wanted to. I'm just kind of tuning
1126
00:56:42.760 --> 00:56:44.360
into the show, so I'm sure you guys have priority
1127
00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:47.639
talked about the semi zine Kevin Owens match, But I
1128
00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:50.880
was a really big fan. I always would watch them
1129
00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:53.679
when I lived in LA I'd go to PWG and
1130
00:56:53.800 --> 00:56:57.280
just it's fascinating to me how much back in those
1131
00:56:57.320 --> 00:57:00.880
days it was always Kevin Owens was always the heel,
1132
00:57:01.519 --> 00:57:05.440
And how good of a baby face that samly Zane
1133
00:57:05.480 --> 00:57:08.320
would be back then, and how the worlds have been
1134
00:57:08.599 --> 00:57:11.159
reversed and they do just as good a job, and
1135
00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:13.000
this was a totally different match that I would have
1136
00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:16.519
saw a decade ago. And I just think they're boys,
1137
00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:22.000
wonderful pairing and just wanted to say that off the bat,
1138
00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:22.599
but I.
1139
00:57:22.519 --> 00:57:25.639
Would say Eljerico and B two BG.
1140
00:57:26.679 --> 00:57:30.360
That is a rumor, Okay, it's just a rumor.
1141
00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:34.400
I mean I didn't want to. I don't us out here, right.
1142
00:57:34.360 --> 00:57:41.360
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I I apologize. Yeah, that's just rumors.
1143
00:57:41.800 --> 00:57:44.519
But I did always think they have wonderful chemistry. But
1144
00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:47.639
I guess I was wanting to go talk a little
1145
00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:52.639
bit about the other pathetic nature of which they're now
1146
00:57:52.920 --> 00:58:00.519
making Baron Corbyn like literally, I don't even know is
1147
00:58:00.519 --> 00:58:03.679
this supposed to make Like I don't I don't think
1148
00:58:03.840 --> 00:58:06.920
even want your bad guys to be prosthetic like this
1149
00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:09.639
where it's I don't know, I think it's just one
1150
00:58:09.639 --> 00:58:13.239
of the it's like dumbfounding almost of just how bad
1151
00:58:13.280 --> 00:58:14.320
of an idea I think.
1152
00:58:14.159 --> 00:58:18.599
This is, Mike, I'm curious, and we made it this
1153
00:58:18.639 --> 00:58:21.400
fart of the show here, we could allied with it,
1154
00:58:21.440 --> 00:58:27.679
this whole uh sullen depressed. Uh, I'm trying to think
1155
00:58:27.719 --> 00:58:30.400
of all my all my uh adjectives here for to
1156
00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:35.639
describe a parent. Yeah, yeah, what do you think of
1157
00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:39.119
his the storyline, his acting and where's where's it going?
1158
00:58:39.880 --> 00:58:44.199
I'm not exaggerating. The Corbin storyline tonight was like the
1159
00:58:44.199 --> 00:58:47.400
biggest takeaway from SmackDown. For me, it was it was
1160
00:58:47.440 --> 00:58:51.960
the weirdest thing I've seen in a while. And part
1161
00:58:52.000 --> 00:58:54.760
of the problem is who am I supposed to like?
1162
00:58:54.760 --> 00:58:59.239
Like I wrote down, like when Boobs was haunting him
1163
00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:04.199
with a stupid king puns backstage? It like, am I
1164
00:59:04.199 --> 00:59:07.719
supposed to be laughing at these jokes at Corbyn's expense
1165
00:59:08.440 --> 00:59:13.719
and his performance. Usually, when if you're gonna laugh at
1166
00:59:13.719 --> 00:59:16.480
a heel, it's because they they turn into a little
1167
00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:18.960
pissy pants when somebody makes fun of them and they
1168
00:59:18.960 --> 00:59:21.800
throw a tantrum and they throw things and they stomp around.
1169
00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:28.360
Corbin is just downtrodden. He's he's had an all time
1170
00:59:28.440 --> 00:59:33.199
low and he's just depressed. And I feel like his
1171
00:59:33.280 --> 00:59:37.440
performance was effectively pathetic, not like and I don't mean
1172
00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:40.679
that in a way like an insult, like you kind
1173
00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:44.440
of pity him. I feel bad for him. And he
1174
00:59:44.599 --> 00:59:49.039
changed his look, which is what an idea like. His
1175
00:59:49.039 --> 00:59:52.920
His hair was always his hair was always interesting back
1176
00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:55.639
when he had hair and it was a what a
1177
00:59:55.639 --> 00:59:58.880
decision to shave his head. That was great, but they
1178
00:59:59.199 --> 01:00:02.400
for tonight's show, they made sure he got I don't
1179
01:00:02.400 --> 01:00:05.119
know what that is, like a week's worth of growth
1180
01:00:05.320 --> 01:00:11.400
in just to kind of accentuate the baldness. And his
1181
01:00:11.480 --> 01:00:16.280
beard is coming in gray and it's so weird. Everything
1182
01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:18.840
about this is weird, and I felt bad for him.
1183
01:00:18.880 --> 01:00:21.599
He seems sad and not like in a heel way
1184
01:00:21.639 --> 01:00:23.480
that I want to laugh at him, and the baby
1185
01:00:23.559 --> 01:00:25.760
faces are being ass Yes.
1186
01:00:26.320 --> 01:00:28.440
I thought it was so funny too, because I was
1187
01:00:28.519 --> 01:00:32.599
slow on the kung paw chicken thing or no, what
1188
01:00:32.599 --> 01:00:36.239
what was it? The king? Whatever?
1189
01:00:36.280 --> 01:00:37.239
The what is?
1190
01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:40.039
What was the first dish? King's chicken? Chicken? Al a king?
1191
01:00:40.119 --> 01:00:40.360
That's it?
1192
01:00:41.079 --> 01:00:43.519
Oh yeah, And it went over my head. At first,
1193
01:00:43.559 --> 01:00:45.719
I was like, oh, well, that's kind of nice. Like
1194
01:00:46.039 --> 01:00:48.519
Corbin's really sad and Boogs, we haven't heard from him yet.
1195
01:00:48.639 --> 01:00:50.239
He's a nice guy. He's like, all right, you know,
1196
01:00:50.679 --> 01:00:53.119
we don't like you, but you seem to have been
1197
01:00:53.199 --> 01:00:55.599
humbled and maybe you're reevaluating your life and your attitude.
1198
01:00:55.679 --> 01:00:56.960
You know, come out dinner. We'll see if we can
1199
01:00:57.000 --> 01:00:58.199
be friends. And I was like, are they going to
1200
01:00:58.239 --> 01:01:01.599
do a Knockamura Corbin dag team? Like, is is that
1201
01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:04.519
where we're headed? And and like a second and a
1202
01:01:04.519 --> 01:01:06.719
half later, I'm like, oh, I get it, he's being
1203
01:01:06.800 --> 01:01:09.039
even a jerk. And then of course two more King jokes.
1204
01:01:09.239 --> 01:01:11.480
You know, the King bed thing made it obvious. So
1205
01:01:11.519 --> 01:01:14.280
I was totally a sucker. I was just I don't
1206
01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:18.840
even know. So yeah, it's it's sometimes the baby faces
1207
01:01:18.920 --> 01:01:21.920
aren't very likable, and I thought, if you're gonna have
1208
01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:26.400
a target, who almost any babyface can stay a babyface
1209
01:01:26.440 --> 01:01:29.280
against it's Corbyn. I mean, he's awful, he's a horrible
1210
01:01:29.400 --> 01:01:34.159
human being, but he's so convincingly sotwntrodden and sad. It
1211
01:01:34.239 --> 01:01:37.679
felt a little excessive for books. I mean for me,
1212
01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:39.840
I get that maybe seventy percent of the audience just
1213
01:01:39.880 --> 01:01:42.360
totally ninety percent maybe it was laughing and just like, oh,
1214
01:01:42.440 --> 01:01:44.079
lay it in there. He's such a jerk and I
1215
01:01:44.119 --> 01:01:45.840
totally get that. I just think they have to be careful,
1216
01:01:45.880 --> 01:01:47.519
but I don't know where they're going. I mean, it's
1217
01:01:47.599 --> 01:01:51.079
it's I'm intrigued. It's very different. I wrote in my
1218
01:01:51.119 --> 01:01:54.159
report at putorch dot com covering smack down. I hope
1219
01:01:54.159 --> 01:01:55.599
whatever they have planned for him is moving him up
1220
01:01:55.639 --> 01:01:57.599
a notch on the roster from a you know, from
1221
01:01:57.599 --> 01:02:00.400
this one note one dimensional you know, mid car king
1222
01:02:00.440 --> 01:02:04.000
gimmick to something more. I think he can move up
1223
01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:07.960
the card successfully if he has a gimmick that isn't,
1224
01:02:08.039 --> 01:02:10.719
like I said, so cartoonishly one note. And I think
1225
01:02:10.719 --> 01:02:13.039
they could use him in that way, and I think
1226
01:02:13.079 --> 01:02:15.639
fans would buy him in that way. I don't know
1227
01:02:15.679 --> 01:02:17.599
if this is a journey that's going to take him there, though,
1228
01:02:18.800 --> 01:02:20.480
I feel like we're gonna end up with you know,
1229
01:02:21.199 --> 01:02:24.079
skits of him being homeless and sleeping in a box.
1230
01:02:24.320 --> 01:02:27.119
I also, I mean, the contrivance of his car getting
1231
01:02:27.639 --> 01:02:29.360
you know, towed off in the middle of a match
1232
01:02:29.519 --> 01:02:32.440
was a little much unless you think, well Boogs did
1233
01:02:32.440 --> 01:02:34.000
it and set it up at that very time, and
1234
01:02:34.039 --> 01:02:37.840
maybe they were implying that Sam back to you for
1235
01:02:37.880 --> 01:02:39.000
any follow up or new topic.
1236
01:02:40.440 --> 01:02:42.239
No, I mean, that's kind of where I'm out.
1237
01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:46.559
I'm just like, I mean, I guess I have never
1238
01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:50.880
really seen a character like this before, but it's not
1239
01:02:50.920 --> 01:02:54.280
necessarily something I thought I would see. Other than that,
1240
01:02:54.360 --> 01:02:56.719
not a whole lot else go VISP and listen to
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all the other great shows the Torch has, such as
1242
01:02:59.599 --> 01:03:02.079
The Deep, which I was actually a guest start a
1243
01:03:02.079 --> 01:03:02.800
couple of weeks ago.
1244
01:03:03.039 --> 01:03:04.360
So thanks very.
1245
01:03:04.239 --> 01:03:06.239
Much, awesome Sam. I was good to hear from you.
1246
01:03:06.280 --> 01:03:06.559
Thank you.
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We haven't talked a lot about Jimmy. You was so
1265
01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:12.840
in particular, and I want to get your take Mike
1266
01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:14.760
on him. Let me read an email from Dave from
1267
01:04:14.800 --> 01:04:17.280
Harrisburg on this topic. He goes hiway to Mike, I
1268
01:04:17.320 --> 01:04:19.519
want to talk about the subtle genius that I'm seeing
1269
01:04:19.519 --> 01:04:23.480
in Jimmy USO, where Jay is completely subservient and basically
1270
01:04:23.519 --> 01:04:26.840
knows his place. I believe that Jimmy still believes that
1271
01:04:26.920 --> 01:04:29.559
everything he's doing is his own will when it's really not.
1272
01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:32.039
He keeps saying it's for family. He goes out with
1273
01:04:32.079 --> 01:04:34.239
a ton of confidence. But tonight when he was out
1274
01:04:34.239 --> 01:04:36.639
there calling out Edge, the way he looked around like
1275
01:04:36.639 --> 01:04:38.719
he really believed Roman would show up, you could tell
1276
01:04:38.760 --> 01:04:41.079
he drank the kool aid and really believes that it's
1277
01:04:41.119 --> 01:04:43.840
all for family. The whole family's been crushing it, and
1278
01:04:43.880 --> 01:04:45.639
I know every email I sent is about this story,
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01:04:45.639 --> 01:04:48.239
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once you all right, plug over? Mike. Dave's got his
1303
01:06:00.960 --> 01:06:04.360
description of Jimmy and what he appreciates about him, calling
1304
01:06:04.400 --> 01:06:07.599
it subtle genius. Tom Martin yesterday talked about I think
1305
01:06:07.599 --> 01:06:09.840
it was like yesterday I talked about this being disappointed
1306
01:06:09.880 --> 01:06:13.880
in Jimmy that he that he just seems to kind
1307
01:06:13.920 --> 01:06:16.679
of like went from his own guy and kind of
1308
01:06:16.679 --> 01:06:18.920
smart to what Roman is up to to just sort
1309
01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:20.719
of kind of take in Jay's place, but with a
1310
01:06:20.760 --> 01:06:23.800
slightly different spin on it. Where are you on this?
1311
01:06:23.880 --> 01:06:26.039
Is there a subtle genius going on? How would you
1312
01:06:26.079 --> 01:06:29.480
explain to someone the journey Jimmy's been on and how
1313
01:06:29.480 --> 01:06:30.280
it's different than Jay?
1314
01:06:30.320 --> 01:06:33.800
If it is, I think it's fitting that the Ushils
1315
01:06:33.800 --> 01:06:36.119
are a tag team because it feels to me like
1316
01:06:36.239 --> 01:06:40.599
Jimmy has essentially tagged in. Yes, that's good, Yeah, and
1317
01:06:40.719 --> 01:06:45.320
Jay's out. Jimmy's behavior is different. He seems to be
1318
01:06:45.400 --> 01:06:48.559
a bit more enthusiastic, a little more bombastic than.
1319
01:06:48.519 --> 01:06:52.480
Jay was, more alpha, more alpha. Yeah, even even as
1320
01:06:52.519 --> 01:06:56.400
he's trying to like he seems eager to get Rains's approval,
1321
01:06:56.840 --> 01:07:00.280
and I'd say his his talking to Paul Hayman came across.
1322
01:07:00.719 --> 01:07:02.199
I don't want to say pathetic, because I think that's
1323
01:07:02.239 --> 01:07:05.239
overstating it, but there's a word a level lower than that,
1324
01:07:05.320 --> 01:07:09.000
but like trying really hard to like win approval in
1325
01:07:09.039 --> 01:07:11.760
a way that what that didn't have as much dignity
1326
01:07:11.800 --> 01:07:15.320
as like Roman might look for in a peer, but
1327
01:07:15.360 --> 01:07:17.719
not quite as just you know, a follower as Jay.
1328
01:07:18.920 --> 01:07:21.119
And by the way, I don't think anybody has said
1329
01:07:21.159 --> 01:07:23.800
it officially on this show yet, but Roman Reigns was
1330
01:07:23.840 --> 01:07:26.480
not on the episode at all, I know, and that's
1331
01:07:26.559 --> 01:07:30.679
kind of a big deal because he's been the focal
1332
01:07:30.760 --> 01:07:35.039
point of this program for weeks and weeks, and I
1333
01:07:35.079 --> 01:07:39.280
actually think that's super cool. Like I think it's cool
1334
01:07:39.280 --> 01:07:41.480
when you have any big star that they not appear
1335
01:07:41.599 --> 01:07:44.519
every week. There's a lot of good comes from that.
1336
01:07:45.199 --> 01:07:49.320
And at last Roman's not on the show, so that's cool.
1337
01:07:50.760 --> 01:07:53.639
Another thing is that I was a little I was
1338
01:07:53.639 --> 01:07:57.400
starting to get irritated with the gimmick they did two
1339
01:07:57.719 --> 01:08:02.480
I think maybe three segments because as they've been doing
1340
01:08:02.719 --> 01:08:06.679
the Rain's storyline, the family storyline, it has been sprinkled
1341
01:08:06.679 --> 01:08:09.039
through every episode. They don't like just get a segment.
1342
01:08:09.079 --> 01:08:10.800
They tend to open with it then he might get
1343
01:08:10.800 --> 01:08:12.800
one or two in the middle and then maybe the
1344
01:08:12.840 --> 01:08:16.640
main event as well. And the first two or three
1345
01:08:17.119 --> 01:08:24.159
were just Jimmy talking to Paul Hayman and Jimmy not
1346
01:08:24.239 --> 01:08:27.039
really getting giving Paul a chance to speak, and just
1347
01:08:27.079 --> 01:08:32.279
sort of inferring everything from from Paul even though Paul's
1348
01:08:32.319 --> 01:08:35.439
not saying anything. And that's I can deal with that
1349
01:08:35.520 --> 01:08:38.920
maybe once. But I thought that was gonna be the
1350
01:08:38.960 --> 01:08:41.560
thing for the whole show, and thank goodness, Paul eventually
1351
01:08:41.600 --> 01:08:46.239
started talking, albeit very briefly, about how Roman just kind
1352
01:08:46.279 --> 01:08:48.680
of Roman does what he wants, you know that, but
1353
01:08:48.760 --> 01:08:52.479
he does everything for family. But that kind of annoyed me,
1354
01:08:52.600 --> 01:08:54.760
Like the does that ever happen in real life? Where
1355
01:08:54.800 --> 01:08:58.640
you talk to somebody and they don't respond, but you
1356
01:08:58.800 --> 01:09:01.399
just talk back to them as though they did responder, as
1357
01:09:01.439 --> 01:09:04.079
though you know what they're thinking. It's a that's a
1358
01:09:04.079 --> 01:09:08.359
bit much. But anyway, Yeah, I think it's a big
1359
01:09:08.399 --> 01:09:09.159
deal that, Mike.
1360
01:09:09.199 --> 01:09:10.640
I was so waiting for you to throw to me
1361
01:09:10.680 --> 01:09:12.199
and I was so gonna know sell it and it
1362
01:09:12.239 --> 01:09:13.239
was going to be so perfect.
1363
01:09:15.079 --> 01:09:17.960
Wait, wait, what do you think you feel the same
1364
01:09:17.960 --> 01:09:20.000
way I do. I knew it. I knew you did.
1365
01:09:22.520 --> 01:09:24.319
We're always on the same page. That's what I like
1366
01:09:24.359 --> 01:09:26.720
about being on the show with you. Wait all right,
1367
01:09:26.960 --> 01:09:28.600
all right, I'm go out to the ring.
1368
01:09:30.520 --> 01:09:34.079
Very good. You're gonna throw back to uh to whatever
1369
01:09:34.119 --> 01:09:39.239
come whatever it's next in the show here. So it
1370
01:09:39.279 --> 01:09:42.079
is Jimmy in a different place now than then you
1371
01:09:42.119 --> 01:09:43.920
thought he would be after a couple of weeks when
1372
01:09:43.920 --> 01:09:46.439
he first showed up, because he seems so wise to
1373
01:09:46.479 --> 01:09:49.479
what Raine was doing. And I think if you introduced
1374
01:09:49.560 --> 01:09:52.800
this Jimmy to that Jimmy, the old the Jimmy from
1375
01:09:52.840 --> 01:09:54.880
a couple of months ago, would be like, WHOA what happened?
1376
01:09:55.239 --> 01:09:55.399
You know?
1377
01:09:55.560 --> 01:09:55.960
Did I? You know?
1378
01:09:56.039 --> 01:09:58.439
I drank the kool aid? Is that a shift in
1379
01:09:58.560 --> 01:10:02.000
storyline or is that a story they've told artfully? And
1380
01:10:02.039 --> 01:10:09.119
it makes sense because I'm still I'm still not. I
1381
01:10:09.279 --> 01:10:12.760
like the Jimmy who seemed like he had a chance
1382
01:10:12.840 --> 01:10:15.119
to be Roman's equal or at least carry himself like
1383
01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:17.319
he saw himself as as much of a man as him,
1384
01:10:17.319 --> 01:10:21.159
even if he's not a singles world champion, and to
1385
01:10:21.239 --> 01:10:22.920
have just the other russo like you say, take in
1386
01:10:22.960 --> 01:10:26.439
and just play. I want Roman's approval, and I'm willing
1387
01:10:26.520 --> 01:10:28.640
to just talk talk talk to him, and almost Sammy's
1388
01:10:28.640 --> 01:10:30.000
ain like, you know, just like I'm gonna do all
1389
01:10:30.039 --> 01:10:32.279
the talking, and I'm okay if you don't say anything,
1390
01:10:32.279 --> 01:10:34.880
because I don't deserve you to be responded to, because
1391
01:10:35.439 --> 01:10:37.199
I'm not the head of the table. I mean, like,
1392
01:10:37.920 --> 01:10:39.720
I just don't know if he can I don't want
1393
01:10:39.720 --> 01:10:41.880
to say recover from this, but if he can reframe
1394
01:10:41.960 --> 01:10:46.399
himself as what I think he was on course to
1395
01:10:46.600 --> 01:10:49.560
be before they changed course for whatever reason they did,
1396
01:10:49.560 --> 01:10:52.840
if they did, because early on it felt like, Hey,
1397
01:10:52.880 --> 01:10:54.439
this is the guy's going to stand up to Roman,
1398
01:10:55.079 --> 01:10:56.720
and now it's like, no, this is just another guy
1399
01:10:56.880 --> 01:11:00.239
just kind of trying super super hard to get Romans per.
1400
01:11:01.800 --> 01:11:04.039
He's definitely not in a place that I would have
1401
01:11:04.079 --> 01:11:08.279
predicted because Jay is out of the picture in whatever
1402
01:11:08.359 --> 01:11:11.720
I would have predicted, even though I hate predicting things,
1403
01:11:11.720 --> 01:11:15.159
and pro wrestling would have involved j as well as Roman,
1404
01:11:16.079 --> 01:11:19.479
and Jay's gone and Jimmy has become like the de
1405
01:11:19.520 --> 01:11:24.640
facto j in my opinion. And one other thing I
1406
01:11:24.680 --> 01:11:31.000
thought of that the emailer mentioned, I thought that I
1407
01:11:31.000 --> 01:11:33.520
didn't think that Jimmy came down to the ring during
1408
01:11:33.560 --> 01:11:36.720
his call out when Edge came out. I didn't think
1409
01:11:36.720 --> 01:11:38.760
he was looking around because he believed in family. I
1410
01:11:38.760 --> 01:11:41.520
think he was looking around because he kind of fooled
1411
01:11:41.560 --> 01:11:44.600
himself into thinking Roman would be there, yes, and he
1412
01:11:44.720 --> 01:11:46.359
just wasn't, Like yes.
1413
01:11:46.880 --> 01:11:47.479
I think that was a.
1414
01:11:47.920 --> 01:11:50.479
Bigger point the whole thing, that Roman wasn't there tonight.
1415
01:11:50.560 --> 01:11:53.640
You know that's a big deal, and you're.
1416
01:11:53.439 --> 01:11:55.239
Saying it's a big deal, not in like a meta
1417
01:11:55.279 --> 01:11:59.119
TV sense, but in like storyline sense. Roman wasn't there
1418
01:11:59.640 --> 01:12:04.159
to have help Jimmy when Jimmy needed him. And so
1419
01:12:04.279 --> 01:12:07.319
the question is, and this is where, well are they
1420
01:12:07.319 --> 01:12:11.520
telling a story here of Jimmy bought in where families
1421
01:12:11.560 --> 01:12:14.600
most important? And now he's gonna ruminate for a week
1422
01:12:14.640 --> 01:12:17.800
on this Roman wasn't there. They made sure you knew.
1423
01:12:17.840 --> 01:12:20.159
He was eager for Himan to be there, and he
1424
01:12:20.199 --> 01:12:23.239
talked himself into thinking Roman's playing a game. He's always
1425
01:12:23.439 --> 01:12:25.399
a step ahead of everybody, but he's gonna be there
1426
01:12:25.399 --> 01:12:27.760
for me because it's all about family. And he talked
1427
01:12:27.800 --> 01:12:30.239
himself into that, he truly believed it, and then he
1428
01:12:30.319 --> 01:12:33.319
just gets destroyed by Edge and he's not there. It's
1429
01:12:33.319 --> 01:12:34.680
like when you have a buddy who you think is
1430
01:12:34.720 --> 01:12:35.960
going to be by your side all the time, and
1431
01:12:35.960 --> 01:12:39.199
then somebody jumps you and he just runs. He didn't
1432
01:12:39.319 --> 01:12:42.039
like try to help, you know, defend you against some
1433
01:12:42.119 --> 01:12:43.640
thugs who are beating you up, and you're like, wait,
1434
01:12:43.760 --> 01:12:46.960
but Roman didn't even show up. So is this a
1435
01:12:47.000 --> 01:12:51.720
big Is this a big turning point for the dynamic
1436
01:12:51.800 --> 01:12:54.720
with Jimmy? And does this shake Jimmy out of the
1437
01:12:54.800 --> 01:12:58.439
kool aid state he's in and shake him into being
1438
01:12:58.439 --> 01:13:01.840
a skeptic again if not breaking completely from Roman? Or
1439
01:13:01.960 --> 01:13:03.600
is he just gonna is this what Roman does to
1440
01:13:03.600 --> 01:13:05.159
play mind games and they're just gonna kind of take
1441
01:13:05.199 --> 01:13:07.560
their time deliberately, and Jimmy's gonna be like where were
1442
01:13:07.600 --> 01:13:10.359
you last week? And Rain's gonna just be Roman and
1443
01:13:10.439 --> 01:13:12.640
Jimmy's gonna just fall in line again.
1444
01:13:14.279 --> 01:13:17.600
If if this is what shakes Jimmy loose from his
1445
01:13:17.720 --> 01:13:21.960
current mental state, I guess that's fine. But it seems
1446
01:13:22.000 --> 01:13:26.319
like we've just kind of treaded water, because that would
1447
01:13:26.399 --> 01:13:30.560
rewind him to back when he joined the storyline, Like
1448
01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:33.760
that's kind of where Jimmy started, was being skeptical about
1449
01:13:33.840 --> 01:13:37.399
Roman's behavior, So for why did would he go from
1450
01:13:37.439 --> 01:13:40.319
skeptical to buying into it to oh, I'm skeptical.
1451
01:13:40.359 --> 01:13:40.640
Again.
1452
01:13:41.479 --> 01:13:44.920
It just seems like they did that because of scheduling
1453
01:13:45.039 --> 01:13:47.359
or something, you know what I mean as a storyline,
1454
01:13:47.399 --> 01:13:52.000
that's not ideal for me. And I still want to
1455
01:13:52.039 --> 01:13:55.760
know what happens if and when Jay returns, Like, for all,
1456
01:13:55.800 --> 01:13:59.279
I know, Jay's gonna come back and say what do
1457
01:13:59.319 --> 01:14:01.560
you do? And listen to him? What are you as bitch?
1458
01:14:02.159 --> 01:14:06.560
Just like that total switcheroo. You know, they'll think it's
1459
01:14:06.640 --> 01:14:09.079
fine because they're twins and we won't know the difference anyway,
1460
01:14:09.199 --> 01:14:15.039
or something like that. But one other thing about that,
1461
01:14:15.039 --> 01:14:20.039
that last segment with Edge answering Jimmy's call out, is
1462
01:14:20.079 --> 01:14:26.399
that Edge repeatedly told spoke to the audience saying, I
1463
01:14:26.520 --> 01:14:28.960
know this is a setup. Well, for one thing, when
1464
01:14:29.279 --> 01:14:31.039
when you two or three times tell us you know
1465
01:14:31.079 --> 01:14:34.039
that you're gonna get jumped by Jimmy and Roman, we
1466
01:14:34.119 --> 01:14:37.239
know that's not going to happen, because you wouldn't literally
1467
01:14:37.239 --> 01:14:41.439
tell us what's going to happen. But if Edge the
1468
01:14:41.520 --> 01:14:43.680
character really thought that that's what was going to happen,
1469
01:14:44.640 --> 01:14:46.960
and again this might be nitpicking Edge. If I have
1470
01:14:46.960 --> 01:14:49.159
two nitpicks of Edge tonight, this is the second one
1471
01:14:49.760 --> 01:14:52.319
that he didn't. He didn't have his head on a
1472
01:14:52.399 --> 01:14:57.000
swivel at all during his confrontation with Jimmy, which if
1473
01:14:57.079 --> 01:14:59.359
I was going in a situation where I was expecting
1474
01:14:59.520 --> 01:15:03.279
a two on one jump, my eyes would have been
1475
01:15:03.319 --> 01:15:05.680
all over that arena. But he was just going at
1476
01:15:05.680 --> 01:15:07.199
it like it was a one on one match. So
1477
01:15:08.359 --> 01:15:09.680
he knew the fans know something.
1478
01:15:10.119 --> 01:15:11.960
He knew the fans in the Thunderdome had his back.
1479
01:15:14.000 --> 01:15:16.279
Those are very loyal fans in the Thunderdome.
1480
01:15:16.439 --> 01:15:20.960
Yes, they'll be screaming at home into their headsets. I
1481
01:15:20.960 --> 01:15:22.920
don't know if he can tell directionally though, you know,
1482
01:15:22.960 --> 01:15:24.960
in the Thunderdome, it's just you know, the noise is
1483
01:15:24.960 --> 01:15:26.760
piped in through the speaker, so we wouldn't know, you know,
1484
01:15:26.840 --> 01:15:29.359
like if you're in an arena, you know you're gonna
1485
01:15:29.359 --> 01:15:30.680
get a sense of, you know, the side of the
1486
01:15:30.680 --> 01:15:32.439
arena where the fancy he's coming from, and he might
1487
01:15:32.439 --> 01:15:35.279
be able to directionally like turn that way. But Thunderednome,
1488
01:15:35.319 --> 01:15:36.920
you just don't know where the noise is coming from.
1489
01:15:37.000 --> 01:15:39.479
So no, yeah, I mean, so you're right, I mean
1490
01:15:39.479 --> 01:15:42.920
it does it doesn't make Yeah, that aspect didn't didn't
1491
01:15:42.920 --> 01:15:46.560
make sense unless he's just confident he would sense Rainge's
1492
01:15:46.600 --> 01:15:48.680
presence or hear him stomping in the ring or something.
1493
01:15:50.039 --> 01:15:52.119
All right, Uh, very good.
1494
01:15:54.359 --> 01:15:57.520
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Let's uh, let's go to Javier here to wrap up
1514
01:17:07.840 --> 01:17:11.960
the show in a round table esque format. We will uh,
1515
01:17:12.039 --> 01:17:13.920
let's see what this sounds like. Is this good music
1516
01:17:13.960 --> 01:17:17.239
for him? There you go, there's your music. Hoa here,
1517
01:17:17.640 --> 01:17:23.479
welcome PW Torch contribute, good, good good. We're just trying
1518
01:17:23.479 --> 01:17:24.880
out a couple of notes here and there. You know,
1519
01:17:24.960 --> 01:17:25.920
we'll settle on.
1520
01:17:25.880 --> 01:17:30.199
Something not enough to get copyright truck right.
1521
01:17:30.720 --> 01:17:32.319
Oh no, this is all this is either kids on
1522
01:17:32.359 --> 01:17:34.640
bridges or original music. We have rights to both.
1523
01:17:38.520 --> 01:17:42.159
The uh yeah, uh, you were talking about him not
1524
01:17:42.560 --> 01:17:44.840
giving his keeping his head on his swiver he swivel.
1525
01:17:44.960 --> 01:17:49.039
He was my favorite line of the night. Edge told
1526
01:17:49.159 --> 01:17:50.840
him that this is a trap. It's not for me.
1527
01:17:50.920 --> 01:17:52.720
He knew that Roman range was stock.
1528
01:17:52.840 --> 01:17:56.079
Oh that's right, he did say that.
1529
01:17:57.239 --> 01:17:59.399
He did say that, and that's why I said, unless
1530
01:18:00.039 --> 01:18:04.399
something we don't. But apart from that thing, there's nothing
1531
01:18:04.399 --> 01:18:06.920
else like we didn't get to see. We didn't. There
1532
01:18:06.960 --> 01:18:09.159
wasn't a final shot of like Roman tied to a chair.
1533
01:18:09.239 --> 01:18:12.119
Yeah, that's that's that's funny. Because I had forgotten I
1534
01:18:12.119 --> 01:18:13.880
thought about that. I was like, because you're right now
1535
01:18:13.880 --> 01:18:17.479
it's coming back, Like I was like, is Roman it
1536
01:18:17.680 --> 01:18:20.840
is Edge confident for a reason that we don't know
1537
01:18:20.880 --> 01:18:24.039
that will reveal itself and they'll show, you know, a
1538
01:18:24.079 --> 01:18:26.600
panics Paul Hayman backstage and like where'd you go? Or
1539
01:18:26.640 --> 01:18:28.039
you know whatever. I mean, they you know, come up
1540
01:18:28.039 --> 01:18:30.239
with something where you know, Edge kind of outsmarted and
1541
01:18:30.279 --> 01:18:32.439
then left Jimmy alone. But I think again, that's a
1542
01:18:32.439 --> 01:18:36.000
completely different story than Roman just deciding not to be
1543
01:18:36.079 --> 01:18:38.520
there for Jimmy. And if that's what they're trying to tell,
1544
01:18:38.560 --> 01:18:40.600
then that's a different story. So yeah, Javier, go go
1545
01:18:40.640 --> 01:18:41.560
ahead with more on that.
1546
01:18:44.039 --> 01:18:48.000
Yeah, it's a straight up punishment because I just I
1547
01:18:48.079 --> 01:18:51.199
love this episode. I think this is the best I mean,
1548
01:18:51.199 --> 01:18:53.840
and I'm not saying this is me sound like I'm ragging,
1549
01:18:53.960 --> 01:18:56.319
but I think this is the best Roman Reigns performance
1550
01:18:56.359 --> 01:18:59.159
by not being there, because his presence is still felt
1551
01:18:59.199 --> 01:19:03.880
all over it. Because you know, you've got a Jimmy
1552
01:19:03.960 --> 01:19:05.960
all excited like, oh, I'm gonna be doing his you know,
1553
01:19:06.079 --> 01:19:08.680
his business. But I'm the one making the decision. I'm
1554
01:19:08.680 --> 01:19:13.800
nobody's bitch. You know, so while I and Mike, I'd
1555
01:19:13.840 --> 01:19:15.560
love the way that you put it that you know
1556
01:19:15.600 --> 01:19:18.399
that he you know that he is and he just
1557
01:19:18.439 --> 01:19:23.159
doesn't know it. And you know, and but when you
1558
01:19:23.199 --> 01:19:26.600
look at Hayman, Haman's like, as the three skits go by,
1559
01:19:26.720 --> 01:19:32.039
is getting more and more frazzled with uh with with
1560
01:19:32.159 --> 01:19:34.039
Jimmy to the point where we're at the end. He
1561
01:19:34.079 --> 01:19:36.439
could he you know, he you could tell that he
1562
01:19:36.560 --> 01:19:40.439
was he he was holding you could see the contempt
1563
01:19:40.760 --> 01:19:43.199
in Paul Hayman's face when he you know, when when
1564
01:19:43.199 --> 01:19:45.359
he's talking to Jimmy. You knew that it was a setup.
1565
01:19:46.119 --> 01:19:48.680
So I loved everything to did with this.
1566
01:19:51.600 --> 01:19:53.960
That's that's cool. Well, do you want to elaborate more
1567
01:19:53.960 --> 01:19:55.960
on that or or is I mean because I don't
1568
01:19:55.960 --> 01:19:59.520
want to uh limit your your gushing about things that
1569
01:19:59.520 --> 01:20:00.359
you might have picked top on.
1570
01:20:03.199 --> 01:20:07.359
Yeah, well, I mean the uh yeah if if as
1571
01:20:07.359 --> 01:20:09.760
you were watching the stuff that was going on. The
1572
01:20:09.760 --> 01:20:11.760
only the only thing I didn't like was the fact
1573
01:20:11.800 --> 01:20:15.359
that he kind of you know, the speech he gave
1574
01:20:15.479 --> 01:20:17.119
I know it's gonna be a trap and and and
1575
01:20:17.159 --> 01:20:20.239
this kind of stuff. It's like, uh, it kind of
1576
01:20:20.239 --> 01:20:22.680
felt that that was useless when he was being interviewed
1577
01:20:22.680 --> 01:20:24.159
that I was kind of useless. Try to like, you know,
1578
01:20:24.199 --> 01:20:27.199
swerve me out of the way. But but yeah, I
1579
01:20:27.199 --> 01:20:30.199
mean the whole thing was, uh the intensity of that
1580
01:20:30.239 --> 01:20:32.520
scene at the end. Uh. And the thing is about
1581
01:20:32.560 --> 01:20:34.840
the thing about Jimmy is you know, I mentioned that
1582
01:20:35.640 --> 01:20:37.479
he's gonna have to be broken down, but you can't
1583
01:20:37.520 --> 01:20:40.960
break him down the same way that uh rains can't
1584
01:20:41.000 --> 01:20:43.000
break them down the same way that he broke down Jay,
1585
01:20:43.159 --> 01:20:46.159
just because you're basically going to be repeating it and
1586
01:20:46.199 --> 01:20:49.439
they're different people. So I think that but with this
1587
01:20:49.720 --> 01:20:52.039
you know, beat down and this is all like, you know,
1588
01:20:52.159 --> 01:20:57.039
Rain's teaching Jimmy where his his space, his place it is.
1589
01:20:57.119 --> 01:20:59.079
And I you know, I don't think that Jimmy goes
1590
01:20:59.119 --> 01:21:03.039
back to being you know, the you know, you know,
1591
01:21:03.319 --> 01:21:05.640
going back to be skeptical. He's just going to end
1592
01:21:05.720 --> 01:21:08.239
up being beaten down, but in a different way. Yeah,
1593
01:21:08.279 --> 01:21:10.319
and to a point where I think that when Jay
1594
01:21:10.359 --> 01:21:13.920
comes back, Jay is going to become the alpha in
1595
01:21:14.039 --> 01:21:17.239
the USO tag game. I think that might be where
1596
01:21:17.319 --> 01:21:18.920
where it's going because I think this is going to
1597
01:21:19.000 --> 01:21:23.279
do enough damage to Jimmy's and confidence that Jay is
1598
01:21:23.319 --> 01:21:25.119
going to be the stronger one of the two of them.
1599
01:21:25.680 --> 01:21:27.680
Let me ask you a question in the short term,
1600
01:21:28.199 --> 01:21:31.199
do you think it, say, next week, do you think
1601
01:21:31.279 --> 01:21:34.039
this show is going to give any explanation about Roman's
1602
01:21:34.159 --> 01:21:38.039
absence as it relates to Edge, an Edge seemingly aware
1603
01:21:38.039 --> 01:21:38.279
of it.
1604
01:21:39.079 --> 01:21:41.159
Well, I mean, Edge will probably I mean the only well,
1605
01:21:41.199 --> 01:21:42.840
we'll probably you know, Ede probably say oh, you know
1606
01:21:42.880 --> 01:21:44.680
you weren't here because you knew I was coming for
1607
01:21:44.800 --> 01:21:47.279
you or something along those lines. And then you know,
1608
01:21:47.560 --> 01:21:50.479
I'm sure Jimmy's going to ask questions you know, how
1609
01:21:50.680 --> 01:21:54.359
Roman responds to it, I don't know, you know, how
1610
01:21:54.399 --> 01:21:57.479
he's going to spin things to get into Jimmy's head,
1611
01:21:57.600 --> 01:21:59.680
you know, with that part of the story and with
1612
01:21:59.720 --> 01:22:03.199
the part of Edge, you know, and then you know
1613
01:22:03.239 --> 01:22:07.600
he's I'm pretty sure that at some range is gonna
1614
01:22:07.640 --> 01:22:09.880
end up looking you know, you know, strong over Edge
1615
01:22:09.920 --> 01:22:12.479
next week in some way, shape or one. I mean,
1616
01:22:12.520 --> 01:22:15.359
I wouldn't be I wouldn't doubt that Jay ends up
1617
01:22:15.359 --> 01:22:17.359
showing up will be, you know, because next week would
1618
01:22:17.359 --> 01:22:19.079
be a perfect time for Jay to actually show up
1619
01:22:19.439 --> 01:22:21.119
and show that he's the one who has Roman rains
1620
01:22:21.159 --> 01:22:21.439
is back.
1621
01:22:22.079 --> 01:22:29.520
Uh, This storyline is really fun to follow ever since
1622
01:22:29.600 --> 01:22:33.359
Rains and returned with Hayman, because you're so used to
1623
01:22:33.399 --> 01:22:37.960
watching WWE as if it's a game of checkers where
1624
01:22:38.760 --> 01:22:41.199
every three turns the game you know, can get reset
1625
01:22:41.399 --> 01:22:43.840
because the guy running it doesn't remember more than three
1626
01:22:43.840 --> 01:22:47.079
turns back. And then the rules change, and then sometimes
1627
01:22:47.079 --> 01:22:50.600
things are done that have don't follow any rules because
1628
01:22:50.600 --> 01:22:53.119
you're trying to set up some drama with you know,
1629
01:22:53.199 --> 01:22:56.880
to king someone to use Rick Book's line, but it's
1630
01:22:56.880 --> 01:22:58.399
not really the normal way it's done, but we just
1631
01:22:58.439 --> 01:23:00.079
want to do it then, so we just did it.
1632
01:23:00.159 --> 01:23:02.359
Like you just sort of like wave a white flag
1633
01:23:02.520 --> 01:23:04.239
and applying a ton of logic. You know, you just
1634
01:23:04.279 --> 01:23:05.600
try to pick out the things that are still fun
1635
01:23:05.600 --> 01:23:07.239
about the show, but you don't hold it to the
1636
01:23:07.279 --> 01:23:09.680
standard you would a lot of other things. And with
1637
01:23:10.079 --> 01:23:13.239
Hayman and Rains and the usos, it's it's like, you
1638
01:23:13.279 --> 01:23:16.079
know the old cliche, it's not checkers, it's chest like
1639
01:23:16.319 --> 01:23:19.439
you are rewarded for paying close attention and you almost
1640
01:23:19.520 --> 01:23:21.880
have to kind of jar yourself into a higher state
1641
01:23:21.920 --> 01:23:27.319
of observance of the acting and the subtleties and a
1642
01:23:27.399 --> 01:23:30.359
word and an inflection and a look. And when you
1643
01:23:30.439 --> 01:23:32.479
add Edge to the mix, who's really good at this
1644
01:23:32.600 --> 01:23:36.039
type of thing. Also, you know, when he's engaged in
1645
01:23:36.079 --> 01:23:40.039
something good, he can act. You know, He's kind of
1646
01:23:40.079 --> 01:23:41.960
like Batista in that way where like every little facial,
1647
01:23:42.239 --> 01:23:45.960
every little facial subtle twitch can mean something. So it's
1648
01:23:46.000 --> 01:23:48.920
fun to talk about this every Friday night and have
1649
01:23:49.079 --> 01:23:51.920
callers and emailers and hobby here you go, here's something
1650
01:23:51.960 --> 01:23:53.560
I saw that you guys haven't talked about yet, or
1651
01:23:53.680 --> 01:23:56.159
here's where I think it's going. And but you do
1652
01:23:56.279 --> 01:23:58.439
have to kind of watch it differently than you do
1653
01:23:58.520 --> 01:24:02.680
the rest of WWE. And like I've said before, sometimes
1654
01:24:02.720 --> 01:24:05.800
I just will rewatch Hayman Roman segments to feel like, Okay,
1655
01:24:06.359 --> 01:24:08.720
I want to appreciate the other person on the screen
1656
01:24:08.720 --> 01:24:10.199
because I was glued to one of them if if
1657
01:24:10.319 --> 01:24:12.119
you know, an instead of both at the same time.
1658
01:24:13.600 --> 01:24:17.279
And speaking of and I'd also recommend not to get well,
1659
01:24:17.800 --> 01:24:20.239
I also recommend not to get married to any uh,
1660
01:24:20.720 --> 01:24:23.479
you know, any theory because I think some of the
1661
01:24:23.520 --> 01:24:26.359
people who've had pushback on how Jimmy has been acting
1662
01:24:26.760 --> 01:24:28.359
is because they thought that, you know, he was gonna
1663
01:24:28.359 --> 01:24:30.640
be the one like to do not necessary dethrowne Rains,
1664
01:24:30.680 --> 01:24:33.560
but he was gonna be like his next challenger, right,
1665
01:24:33.720 --> 01:24:35.800
you know, And I'm and and that's and I never
1666
01:24:35.800 --> 01:24:38.760
felt that was necessarily what the case was, because you
1667
01:24:38.760 --> 01:24:40.359
you know, in that case, you're almost kind of repeating
1668
01:24:40.359 --> 01:24:42.600
the same story, the storyline a yet, yeah, you know,
1669
01:24:43.119 --> 01:24:45.960
we're now Rains has to take down the other. Yeah.
1670
01:24:46.039 --> 01:24:48.760
So I think that it's you know, so you know,
1671
01:24:48.800 --> 01:24:51.159
don't get married to that idea, because if you're thinking that,
1672
01:24:51.439 --> 01:24:52.720
you know, because a lot of the a lot of
1673
01:24:52.720 --> 01:24:54.600
the critisms I've heard him last couple of weeks about
1674
01:24:54.680 --> 01:24:59.000
jim about Jimmy's performance has been, oh, he he looks weak.
1675
01:24:59.600 --> 01:25:04.479
You know, they took his promo at like face value,
1676
01:25:04.760 --> 01:25:06.079
you know that that he you know, when he said
1677
01:25:06.079 --> 01:25:08.960
I'm nobody bitch, that they took that to mean that, oh,
1678
01:25:09.000 --> 01:25:13.399
this is his character. When you know, like in real life,
1679
01:25:13.439 --> 01:25:16.319
sometimes we'll say something and not live up to it,
1680
01:25:16.359 --> 01:25:19.840
either because you know, we don't realize it, or or
1681
01:25:19.920 --> 01:25:23.079
you know, just weakness of character. You know, you know
1682
01:25:23.199 --> 01:25:26.319
that that sort of thing happens. And and particularly with
1683
01:25:26.439 --> 01:25:28.680
that line that he said, because I remember we also
1684
01:25:28.680 --> 01:25:31.159
criticized that he and I didn't like the word he
1685
01:25:31.279 --> 01:25:33.800
used during that promo a couple of weeks back, where
1686
01:25:33.840 --> 01:25:37.199
he said that Rains was jealous of him because I
1687
01:25:37.479 --> 01:25:39.640
thought that he was. The better term would have been
1688
01:25:39.880 --> 01:25:45.079
he's threatened by Yeah. Now I think about the whole yeah,
1689
01:25:45.159 --> 01:25:47.840
and that's the thing that that But now I'm like, well,
1690
01:25:48.680 --> 01:25:51.520
the jealousy isn't necessarily that I'm jealous that you're a champion,
1691
01:25:51.760 --> 01:25:55.239
but it's over the relationship with I think it's more
1692
01:25:55.239 --> 01:25:57.039
projecting because I think it's more of a relationship with
1693
01:25:57.119 --> 01:26:03.119
Jay because if if Jay relied on Jimmy, you know,
1694
01:26:03.319 --> 01:26:06.359
for stuff, because Jay's the weaker, you know, supposedly the
1695
01:26:06.359 --> 01:26:12.640
week or two brothers, and then Jimmy gets fulfillment out of,
1696
01:26:12.760 --> 01:26:16.039
you know, being the guy in charge, and then all
1697
01:26:16.079 --> 01:26:20.000
of a sudden, Rains replaces him as the guy in charge.
1698
01:26:20.359 --> 01:26:23.920
And if Jimmy being his brother's keeper is what defines
1699
01:26:24.000 --> 01:26:28.560
Jimmy and now the keeper's rained, where does that leave Jimmy.
1700
01:26:28.920 --> 01:26:31.279
So I think that word jealousy now kind of makes
1701
01:26:31.279 --> 01:26:33.239
sense in that context that the idea is that he's
1702
01:26:33.279 --> 01:26:37.520
projecting because he's jealous of the relationship of how you know,
1703
01:26:38.640 --> 01:26:41.680
of basically the fact that that Raine took Jay away
1704
01:26:41.680 --> 01:26:42.199
from Jimmy.
1705
01:26:42.439 --> 01:26:45.279
So, Javier, how dare you question the wording of anything
1706
01:26:45.319 --> 01:26:49.000
having to do with the storyline? Now you've I hope
1707
01:26:49.000 --> 01:26:51.560
you've learned your lesson. I mean, you know, if Hayman
1708
01:26:51.720 --> 01:26:55.000
is the architect of this and he's listening, he's just like, yeah, yeah,
1709
01:26:55.199 --> 01:26:57.680
you learn your lesson, Javier, you don't. You don't doubt
1710
01:26:57.720 --> 01:26:59.760
my wording. No one's going to say a wrong word.
1711
01:27:00.199 --> 01:27:02.199
I know my words and the words we choose are
1712
01:27:02.199 --> 01:27:04.560
deliver it. You don't think we deserve There's no better
1713
01:27:04.560 --> 01:27:06.520
word than the words we use. And if you don't
1714
01:27:06.560 --> 01:27:09.960
get it, don't change it. Just stay tuned. No, I
1715
01:27:10.039 --> 01:27:12.119
mean you might be right. I mean that it does
1716
01:27:12.199 --> 01:27:14.039
make sense. You made sense when you first pitched it,
1717
01:27:15.560 --> 01:27:18.960
But now I am thinking there's there could be something
1718
01:27:18.960 --> 01:27:21.000
to do that. You know that Rains is ahead of
1719
01:27:21.039 --> 01:27:24.279
the table, but he doesn't have you know, he's got
1720
01:27:24.319 --> 01:27:26.479
to work really hard and play mind games and mind
1721
01:27:26.640 --> 01:27:30.000
f anybody to get them to be with him. He
1722
01:27:30.079 --> 01:27:37.039
doesn't have a genuine love based family partnership with anybody.
1723
01:27:37.359 --> 01:27:39.680
It's it's all ahead game and a power trip to
1724
01:27:40.039 --> 01:27:43.560
make up for whatever. You know, again for Peel layers away,
1725
01:27:43.560 --> 01:27:46.560
you know, whatever insecurity drives him to need to be
1726
01:27:46.680 --> 01:27:48.079
such a jerk to everybody.
1727
01:27:48.760 --> 01:27:52.560
And I think Hoavier is right that you could speculate
1728
01:27:52.840 --> 01:27:54.800
on the direction that they are going in a dozen
1729
01:27:54.840 --> 01:27:57.920
different ways, but there is no sense in marrying yourself
1730
01:27:57.920 --> 01:28:00.800
to any one or two of them because.
1731
01:28:02.359 --> 01:28:03.319
It's going to go the way.
1732
01:28:03.439 --> 01:28:06.359
The way it goes, there's a there's no certainty.
1733
01:28:06.039 --> 01:28:08.840
No, and for multiple reasons. One, they might intentionally be subtle,
1734
01:28:09.720 --> 01:28:12.159
and they might be deciding as they go. They might go, well,
1735
01:28:12.239 --> 01:28:14.159
could go here here, here, It depends on something that's
1736
01:28:14.199 --> 01:28:17.119
out of our control. There also might be intentional red herrings,
1737
01:28:17.600 --> 01:28:22.760
and it's still ultimately vincent Man's call, and he's you know,
1738
01:28:24.039 --> 01:28:29.239
haphazard when it comes to you know, I mean, you know, yeah,
1739
01:28:29.319 --> 01:28:31.079
it was just I don't need to explain why people
1740
01:28:31.119 --> 01:28:37.079
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01:28:37.079 --> 01:28:39.439
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1754
01:29:17.600 --> 01:29:20.159
Well, to just underscore what you just said, it was
1755
01:29:20.239 --> 01:29:22.359
kind of like me and the scene storyline that whenever
1756
01:29:22.720 --> 01:29:25.600
they were left to own the devices, everything makes sense
1757
01:29:25.800 --> 01:29:27.239
and then all of a sudden, you can tell when
1758
01:29:27.319 --> 01:29:29.119
Vig says, hey, let's give him the bell. Oh God,
1759
01:29:29.159 --> 01:29:29.520
here we go.
1760
01:29:30.520 --> 01:29:30.680
Yeah.
1761
01:29:31.239 --> 01:29:36.520
Uh the uh And and just to uh with when
1762
01:29:36.520 --> 01:29:40.600
you said uh like about the beginning of the peramennal
1763
01:29:40.720 --> 01:29:43.800
with with uh Edge saying you know, I'm not gonna
1764
01:29:43.800 --> 01:29:44.479
make excuses.
1765
01:29:45.039 --> 01:29:45.279
Uh.
1766
01:29:45.920 --> 01:29:48.840
Sometimes I'm fine with that. It depends on on who's
1767
01:29:49.039 --> 01:29:51.279
who's making who's delivering it. Like if it were Daniel
1768
01:29:51.319 --> 01:29:53.680
Brian saying that, I'm like, okay, you know, we know
1769
01:29:53.800 --> 01:29:55.439
what he's up to He's saying it, you know, in
1770
01:29:55.520 --> 01:29:56.119
a cute way.
1771
01:29:56.600 --> 01:29:56.680
Uh.
1772
01:29:56.800 --> 01:29:58.880
The issue I had with Edge doing it is the
1773
01:29:58.880 --> 01:30:03.520
fact that Edge was you know heelish, you know, leaning
1774
01:30:03.520 --> 01:30:07.239
more towards the heel during that three way. So it
1775
01:30:07.279 --> 01:30:09.680
does sound like he's saying, you know what you said
1776
01:30:09.720 --> 01:30:11.399
that that I don't want to make excuses. Here are
1777
01:30:11.399 --> 01:30:12.159
a bunch of excuses.
1778
01:30:12.239 --> 01:30:12.479
Yeah.
1779
01:30:13.119 --> 01:30:16.960
Yeah, how how how do you feel about Edges persona
1780
01:30:17.039 --> 01:30:20.239
coming back versus where what we saw those final couple
1781
01:30:20.319 --> 01:30:22.560
weeks leading into WrestleMania.
1782
01:30:23.119 --> 01:30:26.399
Well, I that's what I've loved. The idea is you know,
1783
01:30:26.520 --> 01:30:28.319
he you know, he owned up to being manic and
1784
01:30:28.359 --> 01:30:31.479
crazy because you know he's trying to he or he
1785
01:30:31.479 --> 01:30:34.039
had already built the storyline in his head. Yeah, So
1786
01:30:34.079 --> 01:30:35.760
I loved that when he you know how he talks
1787
01:30:35.800 --> 01:30:39.680
about uh, you know, he ends up talking about that
1788
01:30:39.680 --> 01:30:42.319
that you know, this is you know the way that
1789
01:30:42.439 --> 01:30:45.399
this storybook ending, the way I should have gotten my
1790
01:30:45.399 --> 01:30:47.800
storybook ending that it was it was in my ten
1791
01:30:47.880 --> 01:30:51.279
year anniversary. You know, I would have come up, you know,
1792
01:30:51.520 --> 01:30:56.359
victorious and then like it, it kind of smooths over
1793
01:30:56.399 --> 01:30:58.520
a little bit like the heelish stuff he did during
1794
01:30:58.520 --> 01:31:00.319
that for me, that's yeah, I mean, and then I
1795
01:31:00.359 --> 01:31:02.960
kind of was already seeing that back then, Yeah, because
1796
01:31:03.319 --> 01:31:06.039
you know he's saying, look, you know, I got cut up,
1797
01:31:06.079 --> 01:31:10.000
caught up in the moment of what was going you know,
1798
01:31:10.359 --> 01:31:14.840
because I was seeing this moment, the storybook moment slipped
1799
01:31:14.880 --> 01:31:18.399
through my fingers because of Daniel Bryant. So you know,
1800
01:31:18.560 --> 01:31:21.520
and you could, you know, you could understand that because
1801
01:31:21.560 --> 01:31:24.600
you know that that if you built up this perfect
1802
01:31:24.600 --> 01:31:27.279
moment and then you feel like someone's taking away from you,
1803
01:31:27.079 --> 01:31:28.960
you're going to lash out kind of like that. So
1804
01:31:29.760 --> 01:31:31.720
I think that helps move that over a little bit.
1805
01:31:32.720 --> 01:31:34.439
Makes sense. Mike An think you want to add to
1806
01:31:35.359 --> 01:31:36.640
what Happer's been brain up here.
1807
01:31:37.479 --> 01:31:39.319
I just don't think I'm going to lash out if
1808
01:31:39.399 --> 01:31:42.640
I'm currently a babyface. I still think if you're going
1809
01:31:42.720 --> 01:31:44.800
to say I'm not going to make excuses, then you
1810
01:31:44.880 --> 01:31:48.760
need to have a period there and start a new paragraph, uh,
1811
01:31:49.199 --> 01:31:55.039
something not excuse related. I do like and if if
1812
01:31:55.039 --> 01:31:59.840
you're questioning if he's a babyface or heelish, babyface ish
1813
01:31:59.920 --> 01:32:04.680
or heel ish compared to his WrestleMania run, he I
1814
01:32:04.680 --> 01:32:07.640
think he had some really good lines against Jimmy tonight
1815
01:32:07.760 --> 01:32:11.119
before the fight broke out about his family and what
1816
01:32:11.319 --> 01:32:14.880
Roman is doing to him and using him. And I
1817
01:32:14.880 --> 01:32:17.439
thought that made sense and that fits in with everything
1818
01:32:17.439 --> 01:32:22.399
I thought edged it positively tonight, So more good than bad,
1819
01:32:22.680 --> 01:32:25.439
way more good than bad from Edge tonight. And I
1820
01:32:25.800 --> 01:32:30.039
didn't think I didn't think of Edge as heelish, and
1821
01:32:30.079 --> 01:32:32.079
therefore he would say that I thought he was a
1822
01:32:32.119 --> 01:32:35.039
babyface with the exception of this helish thing he said
1823
01:32:35.039 --> 01:32:36.640
that didn't fit in with the rest of it.
1824
01:32:37.279 --> 01:32:40.399
I mean the moment he just brought up, Yeah, just
1825
01:32:40.439 --> 01:32:42.239
the moment that that he brought up the ghost of
1826
01:32:42.319 --> 01:32:44.840
Daniel Bryant, that that would I think was the biggest
1827
01:32:44.840 --> 01:32:49.720
mistake of all of them. I also have to say
1828
01:32:49.840 --> 01:32:52.000
that WW did something that I'm about to say a
1829
01:32:52.039 --> 01:32:53.720
few words. I don't think I've ever was gonna see.
1830
01:32:53.960 --> 01:32:58.000
But I am totally sympathetic to Baron Gorban.
1831
01:32:59.720 --> 01:33:01.920
Wait, you lost hundreds of thousands of dollars this past
1832
01:33:01.920 --> 01:33:02.680
week in the stock market.
1833
01:33:02.680 --> 01:33:07.119
Two nothing empathetic.
1834
01:33:11.319 --> 01:33:17.479
Yeah it man, It's just like the way that they
1835
01:33:17.560 --> 01:33:21.800
treated you know, when books just going you know, and
1836
01:33:21.840 --> 01:33:23.399
my brother tells me about this too, that you go
1837
01:33:23.800 --> 01:33:27.000
that that books being like a total dick. And the
1838
01:33:27.000 --> 01:33:30.439
way that he responded wasn't like it was just like,
1839
01:33:30.520 --> 01:33:35.600
you know what, screw you? I and I can't I can't.
1840
01:33:35.479 --> 01:33:37.960
Speak as W W and W just just this stupid stuff.
1841
01:33:38.239 --> 01:33:42.319
But I couldn't see him either just be an impetus
1842
01:33:42.359 --> 01:33:47.520
towards turning into a babyface or you know, becoming a
1843
01:33:47.600 --> 01:33:51.239
more dangerous, more serious, grounded heel.
1844
01:33:52.479 --> 01:33:55.760
Yeah, I would have bet one hundred US dollars after
1845
01:33:55.800 --> 01:33:59.319
that third King pun Corb just would have smacked him
1846
01:33:59.319 --> 01:34:02.279
across the face and walked off. I would have I'd
1847
01:34:02.279 --> 01:34:04.840
have been out one hundred bucks. Yeah, And he was
1848
01:34:04.880 --> 01:34:07.039
so sad he couldn't he couldn't do that. No, just
1849
01:34:07.079 --> 01:34:12.119
screw you and walk away and play the sad Charlie Brown.
1850
01:34:11.920 --> 01:34:13.880
Music that episode.
1851
01:34:14.159 --> 01:34:15.560
Yes, Yes, And.
1852
01:34:16.399 --> 01:34:19.800
And I am to rewind back to what Wade was saying.
1853
01:34:20.319 --> 01:34:22.720
To this day, I'm not a kid anymore, but to
1854
01:34:22.760 --> 01:34:26.159
this day, I'm still a sucker for like good sportsmanship stories.
1855
01:34:26.640 --> 01:34:29.840
And if Moves was legitimately inviting him over for like dinner,
1856
01:34:30.079 --> 01:34:33.079
yes with him and Nakamura, that would have made my day.
1857
01:34:34.399 --> 01:34:37.560
If Corbyn went along with are you serious?
1858
01:34:37.960 --> 01:34:38.840
Yeah?
1859
01:34:38.960 --> 01:34:41.159
Okay, and then they just leave and.
1860
01:34:41.359 --> 01:34:43.279
It would like it would be like corn may be
1861
01:34:43.319 --> 01:34:45.640
like it feels good to be a good person or
1862
01:34:45.680 --> 01:34:49.399
in the presence of good people, and these boogs and Nakamura.
1863
01:34:49.479 --> 01:34:52.239
After all I did, I didn't deserve kindness or graciousness
1864
01:34:52.319 --> 01:34:55.319
like this, and they gave me a second chance. And
1865
01:34:55.359 --> 01:34:58.039
now I see what it's like to be a good
1866
01:34:58.079 --> 01:34:59.800
person and how it makes a world a better place
1867
01:35:00.399 --> 01:35:03.000
and to be supported and to be supported, and so
1868
01:35:03.359 --> 01:35:07.079
it just changes him and he becomes a completely different person.
1869
01:35:08.359 --> 01:35:09.479
I don't know. I don't want to go two part
1870
01:35:09.520 --> 01:35:10.640
on the road because you can go to you know,
1871
01:35:10.760 --> 01:35:13.000
multiple ways with that in terms of just being like
1872
01:35:13.119 --> 01:35:17.479
over the top, you know, annoying who played you know,
1873
01:35:17.560 --> 01:35:20.159
like he can become like you know, gain Nikki Cross,
1874
01:35:20.199 --> 01:35:23.640
a spirit of enthusiasm for life and you know, applaud
1875
01:35:23.640 --> 01:35:25.760
when the plane lands. Are you the one who said that, Mike?
1876
01:35:27.279 --> 01:35:29.159
I don't think so, But I do think that would
1877
01:35:29.199 --> 01:35:31.479
be bad, like too far in that direction for Corbyn.
1878
01:35:31.560 --> 01:35:34.319
Oh yeah, I'm not advocating for it, but I imagine, yeah,
1879
01:35:34.399 --> 01:35:38.920
the possibility they might be thinking that. Yeah, so, I mean,
1880
01:35:39.000 --> 01:35:41.000
I mean I'm intrigued, but yeah, I think that there's
1881
01:35:41.359 --> 01:35:43.000
there's room for Corbin to mean more than he did
1882
01:35:43.000 --> 01:35:44.880
as a king and be better. I think he's a
1883
01:35:44.880 --> 01:35:47.199
good actor in the ring. I think he's a bad
1884
01:35:47.199 --> 01:35:51.399
actor in backstage segments. Usually sometimes it seems like he's
1885
01:35:51.439 --> 01:35:52.880
kind of going through the motions. But I think if
1886
01:35:52.920 --> 01:35:54.840
you give him material that he cares about, I think
1887
01:35:54.840 --> 01:35:57.960
he can rise to the occasion. So maybe he's just
1888
01:35:58.000 --> 01:35:59.960
bad with two, you know, one dimensional stuff and he's bad,
1889
01:36:00.119 --> 01:36:01.560
or if there's more to kind of sinke a s
1890
01:36:01.560 --> 01:36:03.560
teeth into, we'll see, we'll see.
1891
01:36:03.640 --> 01:36:06.319
The only other thing is that if you watch this
1892
01:36:06.359 --> 01:36:09.399
company long enough, they seem to have kind of a
1893
01:36:09.439 --> 01:36:13.960
fixation on financial ruin or loss. Yeah, and I feel
1894
01:36:14.000 --> 01:36:17.119
like that comes from Vince, Like they they have to
1895
01:36:17.720 --> 01:36:20.479
specifically point out how he can't make his car payments,
1896
01:36:20.920 --> 01:36:23.399
like McAfee said that three times or something, and then
1897
01:36:24.000 --> 01:36:26.960
he in an interview Corbyn had to say, oh, I
1898
01:36:27.039 --> 01:36:30.399
lost hundreds of thousands of dollars, but I kind of
1899
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wish that wasn't there because that's happened before. And again,
1900
01:36:35.039 --> 01:36:37.319
like I feel like we're supposed to laugh at him
1901
01:36:37.359 --> 01:36:37.720
for that.
1902
01:36:37.840 --> 01:36:40.439
Well, because I want to more of a I want
1903
01:36:40.520 --> 01:36:42.920
more of an explanation for it. Did did he? Did
1904
01:36:42.960 --> 01:36:45.359
he make a bad move because he lost the king crown?
1905
01:36:45.800 --> 01:36:48.720
Like like, it feels like they're two isolated incidents that
1906
01:36:48.760 --> 01:36:52.319
are just a coincidence. And unless I'm missing something, like
1907
01:36:53.079 --> 01:36:55.399
I'd ever rather had him say, yeah, when I lost
1908
01:36:55.439 --> 01:36:59.359
the crown, I just went online onto you know whatever,
1909
01:36:59.479 --> 01:37:03.199
my stock, my stock company, and I just put it
1910
01:37:03.239 --> 01:37:05.640
all on something. And it was a dumb move. In
1911
01:37:05.640 --> 01:37:07.520
the middle of the night. I was despondent and now
1912
01:37:07.520 --> 01:37:10.119
I'm broke, Like, I don't know, just because it doesn't
1913
01:37:10.119 --> 01:37:12.279
it seem sort of coincidental. He loses a crown and
1914
01:37:12.359 --> 01:37:14.119
he happens to lose hundreds of thousands of dollars in
1915
01:37:14.159 --> 01:37:17.359
the stock market. I don't I don't quite get that.
1916
01:37:17.399 --> 01:37:19.560
I don't know how those dots connect. Am I missing anything?
1917
01:37:19.600 --> 01:37:20.199
Have a hear on that?
1918
01:37:22.000 --> 01:37:25.880
I think, Uh, you got to put on your Disney hat. Well,
1919
01:37:25.920 --> 01:37:27.720
not even disneycause Disney's kind of smart, but one of
1920
01:37:27.800 --> 01:37:33.720
one of those mock Disney that make the mock Disney movies. Uh,
1921
01:37:33.800 --> 01:37:36.720
and they I think the idea is the crown is
1922
01:37:36.800 --> 01:37:39.760
what was lucky And while he had the crown on,
1923
01:37:40.560 --> 01:37:42.720
you know, things were coming up for roses and then
1924
01:37:43.119 --> 01:37:46.560
when he lost it, all that stuff goes away. Uh that,
1925
01:37:46.640 --> 01:37:48.600
like the crown was the lucky the lucky charm.
1926
01:37:48.680 --> 01:37:50.319
And I would explain why he was so he cared
1927
01:37:50.319 --> 01:37:52.079
about the crown so much, because it did seem really
1928
01:37:52.079 --> 01:37:53.640
weird that had grown up could be so concerned about
1929
01:37:53.640 --> 01:37:56.199
a crown, but he was a heel. But no, I yeah,
1930
01:37:56.239 --> 01:37:59.600
I mean I could see that there, I could see
1931
01:37:59.600 --> 01:38:01.920
that that's where they're headed. But it's it's dumb. I mean,
1932
01:38:02.279 --> 01:38:05.279
like there isn't a magic crown. The stock market does
1933
01:38:05.279 --> 01:38:07.760
not react to you not having your lucky charm or not.
1934
01:38:07.840 --> 01:38:10.720
I hate to break it to people, but it operates
1935
01:38:11.079 --> 01:38:12.720
for you know, it goes up and down for other
1936
01:38:12.760 --> 01:38:15.279
reasons other than whether you individually have a good luck
1937
01:38:15.359 --> 01:38:16.640
charm in your possession or not.
1938
01:38:17.439 --> 01:38:20.920
It does explain why Corbin had always been saying that
1939
01:38:21.039 --> 01:38:26.640
Knackhamer is after me lucky charms zero points.
1940
01:38:27.840 --> 01:38:28.640
Go ahead up here.
1941
01:38:31.800 --> 01:38:33.640
Well, and I was going to say that that it
1942
01:38:34.239 --> 01:38:37.680
absolutely works. It's an absolutely the whole that that thing
1943
01:38:37.840 --> 01:38:41.399
absolutely works in cartoon logic. I mean, that's total logic,
1944
01:38:41.600 --> 01:38:44.399
you know, And I can't I can't deny that that's
1945
01:38:44.439 --> 01:38:48.000
the that's the you know, you know what he's like
1946
01:38:48.279 --> 01:38:52.880
in the Daffy Duck role. Yeah, you know, we're like,
1947
01:38:53.039 --> 01:38:55.479
stuff just starts compounding on him. I mean, that's that's
1948
01:38:55.479 --> 01:38:57.520
what they're writing, and that's how they're writing it. I mean,
1949
01:38:57.560 --> 01:38:59.520
you know, and I like Duffy Ducks, so I'm actually
1950
01:38:59.560 --> 01:39:03.279
kind of liking the storyline. Yes, I just don't necessarily
1951
01:39:03.319 --> 01:39:04.239
think it's good for wrestling.
1952
01:39:04.920 --> 01:39:07.279
Yes, yeah, you know. No, that's the thing. There are
1953
01:39:07.319 --> 01:39:09.760
things that and I try to differentiate between those two
1954
01:39:09.800 --> 01:39:11.920
things sometimes with people, Like there's things you get a
1955
01:39:12.000 --> 01:39:14.039
kick out of and enjoy, but it doesn't mean it's
1956
01:39:14.079 --> 01:39:16.680
like if you and I say this, sometimes if you
1957
01:39:16.760 --> 01:39:19.359
had stock in WWB, that you would advise them to do.
1958
01:39:19.960 --> 01:39:23.359
Like there's things that you know, you might like a
1959
01:39:23.399 --> 01:39:25.720
local restaurant to do to better serve you, but it
1960
01:39:25.720 --> 01:39:27.960
would be a complete waste of time if they're trying
1961
01:39:27.960 --> 01:39:32.720
to maximize profits, you know. Like so anyway, Yeah, there's
1962
01:39:32.720 --> 01:39:34.439
things you can get a personal kickout of that you
1963
01:39:34.439 --> 01:39:37.279
still think are a bad decision on a business level
1964
01:39:37.279 --> 01:39:41.680
for Vincent. Matt admit it. You love Nick bar Batty
1965
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when he co hosts with me on the Wadekeller post shows. Well,
1966
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now you can listen to him every week on The
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Torch v I.
1984
01:40:23.720 --> 01:40:34.640
P uh switch over to the The Factor A lot
1985
01:40:34.640 --> 01:40:34.920
of uh.
1986
01:40:35.000 --> 01:40:36.640
I think it was a Shawn who asked. But there
1987
01:40:36.640 --> 01:40:39.000
being a lot of faces in the money in the bank, Yeah,
1988
01:40:39.680 --> 01:40:41.720
I mean there are two heel champions now, so you
1989
01:40:41.760 --> 01:40:45.159
know that kind of makes sense. You know it's gonna
1990
01:40:45.159 --> 01:40:46.079
be cashing on one of those.
1991
01:40:46.399 --> 01:40:48.279
Well, but you can have three heels and three faces
1992
01:40:48.319 --> 01:40:49.640
in the money in the bank, lader matter of four
1993
01:40:49.640 --> 01:40:53.079
and four and have a babyface win. I think it's
1994
01:40:53.119 --> 01:40:54.640
more for the in the match itself.
1995
01:40:57.279 --> 01:40:59.960
Yeah, what what do you?
1996
01:41:00.479 --> 01:41:01.520
I thought I made a good point.
1997
01:41:01.520 --> 01:41:08.560
You know, I was more disappointed in myself. I didn't
1998
01:41:08.560 --> 01:41:09.279
really you know, think that.
1999
01:41:09.560 --> 01:41:17.159
Sorry, Well, as long as you clarify that, I'm okay.
2000
01:41:17.359 --> 01:41:22.079
That was directed myself. I got it all right, the
2001
01:41:22.279 --> 01:41:27.159
uh and and the other thing. And I did Bianca
2002
01:41:27.199 --> 01:41:31.840
Balaire just lose the E quit match today?
2003
01:41:32.319 --> 01:41:33.680
Uh?
2004
01:41:33.760 --> 01:41:34.039
Why?
2005
01:41:34.159 --> 01:41:38.079
Because she said that I quit really clearly.
2006
01:41:40.159 --> 01:41:43.680
Oh, I see, I don't think they I don't think
2007
01:41:43.720 --> 01:41:46.640
they're I don't think it's official until the bell rings.
2008
01:41:47.880 --> 01:41:52.560
No, but I'm saying that. Remember what was it mankind
2009
01:41:52.600 --> 01:41:54.520
where they played him saying I quit?
2010
01:41:55.319 --> 01:42:00.960
Oh gotcha? Oh that makes more that that makes more sense. Yeah,
2011
01:42:00.960 --> 01:42:03.279
I could see Bailey doing that. That's a lame finish.
2012
01:42:03.359 --> 01:42:05.880
Oh my god. If they I mean, it's it's clever
2013
01:42:06.000 --> 01:42:07.960
and lame, you know what I mean, Like it's it's
2014
01:42:08.000 --> 01:42:09.960
you know, you can't do that very often, and when
2015
01:42:10.039 --> 01:42:11.760
you do it, it's sort of grown inducing, but it
2016
01:42:11.800 --> 01:42:13.359
is a you know, you can imagine he'll tacked it.
2017
01:42:13.399 --> 01:42:15.920
But then you have to explain who the the co
2018
01:42:15.920 --> 01:42:19.279
conspirator is Mike. Is that the finish No?
2019
01:42:19.520 --> 01:42:22.720
But what if we meet in the middle and Bailey
2020
01:42:22.800 --> 01:42:27.159
tries that, Yeah, it's so blatantly obvious that it's not
2021
01:42:27.239 --> 01:42:28.439
what Bianca is saying.
2022
01:42:28.760 --> 01:42:30.880
I can be on board for that, and then.
2023
01:42:30.800 --> 01:42:33.399
Bailey reacts as though she did say it. You know,
2024
01:42:33.680 --> 01:42:35.399
that would be pretty funny, I think.
2025
01:42:36.239 --> 01:42:38.199
And yeah, and like Charles Robinson can be the RAF
2026
01:42:38.239 --> 01:42:39.680
and he can look at Bailey and be like, are
2027
01:42:39.680 --> 01:42:40.199
you kidding?
2028
01:42:40.600 --> 01:42:42.159
Yeah, not even buy it for a second.
2029
01:42:42.239 --> 01:42:44.039
Yeah, like it came from up there, like pointing up
2030
01:42:44.039 --> 01:42:45.680
to the speakers. It came from up there, not her,
2031
01:42:46.039 --> 01:42:51.920
you know, be demonstrative and yeah, yeah.
2032
01:42:51.439 --> 01:42:53.279
Is money in the banking for her crowds?
2033
01:42:53.359 --> 01:42:57.079
Or no it is right, Yeah that's her. Isn't that
2034
01:42:57.079 --> 01:43:02.199
there come back pay per view? Or they're they're uh
2035
01:43:02.239 --> 01:43:04.359
because it's smacked down in Houston?
2036
01:43:06.279 --> 01:43:10.640
Yeah yeah, because yeah Dicky's arena in Fort Worth, Texas.
2037
01:43:10.800 --> 01:43:15.159
Okay, yeah, okay, because I was just picturing them putting
2038
01:43:15.199 --> 01:43:19.439
her face on all the screens saying I quit that
2039
01:43:19.600 --> 01:43:20.760
might end up just being to.
2040
01:43:20.640 --> 01:43:22.159
Go home promo.
2041
01:43:22.279 --> 01:43:23.199
Yeah you got it, but.
2042
01:43:23.359 --> 01:43:27.840
Yeah, yeah, because you know, Bailey has shown that she
2043
01:43:27.880 --> 01:43:33.920
does have the power over the monitors. So uh but yeah,
2044
01:43:34.239 --> 01:43:36.640
because because they really did sell that that, you know,
2045
01:43:37.039 --> 01:43:40.680
pause and and just I was having slash right, what
2046
01:43:40.720 --> 01:43:43.880
was it? Was it rocking Mankind? Was that the match?
2047
01:43:45.239 --> 01:43:46.319
I think?
2048
01:43:47.279 --> 01:43:47.359
So?
2049
01:43:49.399 --> 01:43:51.199
By the way, hold On, I was looking I'm sorry,
2050
01:43:51.199 --> 01:43:52.560
distract I was looking up the date of Money in
2051
01:43:52.560 --> 01:43:54.720
the Bank. Did they say on SmackDown Tonight a week
2052
01:43:54.760 --> 01:43:58.439
from Sunday? Or am I misremembering because I was like, oh,
2053
01:43:58.479 --> 01:43:59.720
it's a week from Sunday. I thought it was two
2054
01:43:59.720 --> 01:44:02.159
weeks for Sunday. It like cut in my mind, what's
2055
01:44:02.199 --> 01:44:04.159
something that Cole said cut a week off of my
2056
01:44:04.319 --> 01:44:07.199
internal schedule and when the pay per view was. But
2057
01:44:07.640 --> 01:44:13.000
it's July eighteenth, so that's two weeks from Sunday? Yes, okay,
2058
01:44:13.159 --> 01:44:14.960
But do you remember them saying a week from Sunday?
2059
01:44:15.359 --> 01:44:17.920
Not that I don't remember that. I heard at least
2060
01:44:18.000 --> 01:44:20.920
one or two people saying that it's in two weeks okay,
2061
01:44:20.920 --> 01:44:23.399
like two weeks from this weekend. But okay, yeah, somebody
2062
01:44:23.439 --> 01:44:24.560
might have gotten it wrong as well.
2063
01:44:24.680 --> 01:44:27.199
Yeah, no big deal. I was a point of curiosity.
2064
01:44:27.239 --> 01:44:27.560
It doesn't.
2065
01:44:27.560 --> 01:44:29.560
I mean, this is not like a Jim Ross thing,
2066
01:44:29.600 --> 01:44:35.239
you know, saying the wrong company anyway, Javier, are you Wednesday?
2067
01:44:36.800 --> 01:44:37.079
Oh?
2068
01:44:37.359 --> 01:44:39.159
Uh? Without cable?
2069
01:44:39.560 --> 01:44:40.039
Oh god?
2070
01:44:40.159 --> 01:44:49.239
Okay, yeah, so without cable for most of the week.
2071
01:44:49.960 --> 01:44:52.680
I think Monday started acting up and then I was out,
2072
01:44:53.039 --> 01:44:59.800
so yeah, and the uh were I mean it was
2073
01:45:00.000 --> 01:45:02.920
I was really surprised to see Selena Vega be show
2074
01:45:03.000 --> 01:45:06.079
up there. I think that what they're going to end
2075
01:45:06.159 --> 01:45:08.520
up do doing is that they're going to announce because
2076
01:45:08.680 --> 01:45:11.760
there is there one more person left to uh put
2077
01:45:11.760 --> 01:45:14.560
in the match from SmackDown for I.
2078
01:45:14.479 --> 01:45:18.159
Haven't I haven't looked at the numbers. Is it good?
2079
01:45:18.159 --> 01:45:20.520
How many are going to be in the women's money
2080
01:45:20.520 --> 01:45:20.840
in the bank?
2081
01:45:20.920 --> 01:45:21.119
Six?
2082
01:45:22.159 --> 01:45:22.760
Okay? Eight?
2083
01:45:22.880 --> 01:45:23.079
Eight?
2084
01:45:23.199 --> 01:45:25.000
Yeah, okay, I think it's it's going to be. I
2085
01:45:25.000 --> 01:45:27.720
think each have two remaining open slots.
2086
01:45:28.119 --> 01:45:31.039
Each match, and each each brand has one to add
2087
01:45:31.039 --> 01:45:32.560
to each match, or each brand has two.
2088
01:45:32.840 --> 01:45:35.600
I haven't even I think, well, if they're going half
2089
01:45:35.640 --> 01:45:38.840
and half, I think SmackDown has too to add to each.
2090
01:45:40.319 --> 01:45:43.279
Oh okay, all right, but so anyways, go ahead.
2091
01:45:46.359 --> 01:45:50.079
I'm thinking that, uh, they're going to basically just because
2092
01:45:50.239 --> 01:45:54.159
the whole entire selection and stuff, and I would agree.
2093
01:45:54.239 --> 01:45:56.439
I uh, if you think it's dumb, I'm not going
2094
01:45:56.479 --> 01:46:01.000
to disagree with it. Is whoever thinks of it, that's done.
2095
01:46:01.039 --> 01:46:03.640
But it's all about Live Morgan trying to make it,
2096
01:46:03.760 --> 01:46:06.319
make it look like, you know, she's being disrespected by
2097
01:46:06.319 --> 01:46:10.640
not getting being put into this, and you have people
2098
01:46:10.680 --> 01:46:14.039
with less and less credibility getting put into the into
2099
01:46:14.079 --> 01:46:18.279
the match, and you know, as a disrespect for Live Morgan.
2100
01:46:18.359 --> 01:46:20.840
So when she overcomes these you know, these odds to
2101
01:46:20.840 --> 01:46:23.720
get into the match, you know she'd have more shine.
2102
01:46:23.720 --> 01:46:28.239
I think that's I think that's the idea. I've got
2103
01:46:28.239 --> 01:46:30.560
a feeling that the next one who's going to be
2104
01:46:30.800 --> 01:46:34.159
selected would probably be Devill herself is probably going to
2105
01:46:34.279 --> 01:46:39.640
nominate herself the first spot and it's probably gonna you know,
2106
01:46:39.680 --> 01:46:41.720
so probably and then you know another match with with
2107
01:46:42.039 --> 01:46:44.279
Live to you know, have like a plan to get
2108
01:46:44.000 --> 01:46:46.399
to get in where you win, and which makes me
2109
01:46:46.439 --> 01:46:48.439
think that she's the most likely to win the money
2110
01:46:48.439 --> 01:46:48.800
in the bank.
2111
01:46:49.199 --> 01:46:52.039
What do you think, Mike, I don't know.
2112
01:46:52.159 --> 01:46:54.000
It sounds fine to me. I don't. Really.
2113
01:46:55.039 --> 01:46:57.239
Like I said earlier, I think that whole storyline is
2114
01:46:57.439 --> 01:47:00.720
pretty strange, and especially the discrepancy between and how they're
2115
01:47:00.720 --> 01:47:05.199
handling the entrance, the female entrance compared to the male entrance.
2116
01:47:07.039 --> 01:47:09.680
So yeah, I'm curious where they're going with it. If
2117
01:47:09.800 --> 01:47:11.920
Daville enters that that would be kind of a surprise
2118
01:47:12.039 --> 01:47:15.640
for me. But it would be nice if they somehow
2119
01:47:16.239 --> 01:47:18.119
whatever they do, and if that's a part of it,
2120
01:47:19.239 --> 01:47:22.520
that that's how Daville. That's why Deville isn't having any
2121
01:47:22.720 --> 01:47:27.760
qualifiers because she you know, she's inserting everybody at her
2122
01:47:27.760 --> 01:47:31.239
own whim oh, including myself, So that that might work
2123
01:47:31.239 --> 01:47:31.800
out that way.
2124
01:47:32.600 --> 01:47:36.279
Yeah, I mean I I kind of like it. I
2125
01:47:36.399 --> 01:47:40.680
want her to I think with this TV time, I mean,
2126
01:47:40.720 --> 01:47:43.000
I'm okay, I'm torn because I like, I want to
2127
01:47:43.000 --> 01:47:46.399
see her authority figure character play out a little more.
2128
01:47:46.720 --> 01:47:50.039
But I don't. I don't get the sense right now
2129
01:47:50.079 --> 01:47:52.319
that what they're doing initially is what they're doing now.
2130
01:47:52.439 --> 01:47:54.319
So if the idea is, yeah, let's get her back
2131
01:47:54.319 --> 01:47:56.000
in the ring, have her be heal, and have her
2132
01:47:56.439 --> 01:47:58.840
you know, use her power to get ahead, I mean
2133
01:47:58.840 --> 01:48:02.880
that I think she's really good. So if they can
2134
01:48:02.880 --> 01:48:05.039
find a way to get her some heat and get
2135
01:48:05.039 --> 01:48:07.279
her in a top spot or a relevant place and
2136
01:48:07.359 --> 01:48:11.000
add some depth to the division. That's better than you know,
2137
01:48:11.399 --> 01:48:15.560
a camera inexplicably showing her and Adam Cole talking for
2138
01:48:15.600 --> 01:48:17.960
no good reason and then someone always happens to come
2139
01:48:17.960 --> 01:48:20.279
in and then they consult and make a decision. I mean,
2140
01:48:20.479 --> 01:48:21.960
I don't think she should be doing that a year
2141
01:48:22.000 --> 01:48:22.359
from now.
2142
01:48:23.560 --> 01:48:26.000
Does it kind of spoilers if you heard that, you know,
2143
01:48:26.880 --> 01:48:29.279
rumors are that she you know, do to come back.
2144
01:48:29.720 --> 01:48:32.319
That kind of a spoiler. I mean, well, you know
2145
01:48:32.439 --> 01:48:37.600
kind of like reinforces that idea. Yeah, yeah, so uh,
2146
01:48:38.720 --> 01:48:40.760
I mean I take rumors with a grain of salt,
2147
01:48:40.800 --> 01:48:42.520
but you know that would make sense. That would be
2148
01:48:42.560 --> 01:48:48.000
a good time, you know, to start to yeah, because
2149
01:48:48.039 --> 01:48:50.199
I mean I hope when back then I also heard
2150
01:48:50.239 --> 01:48:53.960
something about something being trademarked. That kind of the carbon thing,
2151
01:48:54.159 --> 01:48:55.960
I think is where a direction of storyline.
2152
01:48:56.039 --> 01:48:56.840
Yeah, the carbon thing?
2153
01:48:56.960 --> 01:49:02.600
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, Yeah, I mean I don't want
2154
01:49:02.600 --> 01:49:04.319
to think I don't want people to think we're holding back,
2155
01:49:04.359 --> 01:49:07.119
but like I just genuinely believe we're wrestling is today.
2156
01:49:07.600 --> 01:49:12.760
It's just you're not serving anybody by giving out information
2157
01:49:12.880 --> 01:49:15.279
that gives away where things are going to be in
2158
01:49:15.319 --> 01:49:16.720
a week or two or three weeks. Like, that's not
2159
01:49:16.760 --> 01:49:18.239
how I watch television. It's not how I want to
2160
01:49:18.239 --> 01:49:21.319
watch television. I want to watch sports. Like so I
2161
01:49:21.359 --> 01:49:23.880
just don't get that now, Like, I mean, there was
2162
01:49:23.920 --> 01:49:26.640
a time where the pace of things were slower and
2163
01:49:26.800 --> 01:49:29.800
it was you know, harder information. I don't even know
2164
01:49:29.840 --> 01:49:33.319
how to justify it in the past. But yeah, I
2165
01:49:33.439 --> 01:49:36.039
just like, just let us let us watch the story unfold.
2166
01:49:36.079 --> 01:49:38.600
I mean, I yeah, And why would you want to
2167
01:49:38.640 --> 01:49:40.720
know everything ahead of time? I mean a generic thing
2168
01:49:40.720 --> 01:49:42.359
about a wrestler who's been inactive and now they're going
2169
01:49:42.399 --> 01:49:44.079
to be active again because they're cleared or I mean,
2170
01:49:44.119 --> 01:49:45.600
that's no big deal. It's just when you get into
2171
01:49:45.640 --> 01:49:48.159
specifics that just gives away something for the next pay
2172
01:49:48.199 --> 01:49:51.000
per view or gives away a twist in a storyline.
2173
01:49:51.000 --> 01:49:53.720
I just I don't it just I don't know who
2174
01:49:53.760 --> 01:49:55.359
would want to know that. I don't know why people
2175
01:49:55.399 --> 01:49:57.560
would go back to a place that does that. I
2176
01:49:57.800 --> 01:50:00.239
don't think you know unless you try to score points
2177
01:50:00.279 --> 01:50:02.039
by knowing more than your friends. But like, why you
2178
01:50:02.079 --> 01:50:03.520
can read the end of a book they're reading and
2179
01:50:03.520 --> 01:50:05.199
blab it to them, but they're not gonna be your
2180
01:50:05.199 --> 01:50:06.079
friend anymore if you do that.
2181
01:50:07.720 --> 01:50:10.800
The yeah, the Edge seth Rollin's saying for some amerslam
2182
01:50:11.199 --> 01:50:13.039
when that came out, that that's the one that picked
2183
01:50:13.079 --> 01:50:16.560
me off. Yeah, because I was really hoping that the
2184
01:50:16.680 --> 01:50:19.119
Edge Rains thing would continue, because I do not want
2185
01:50:19.119 --> 01:50:21.720
to say, Rand, I think I agree with everybody who
2186
01:50:21.720 --> 01:50:26.399
thinks that rains and sina is a bad idea. So uh,
2187
01:50:27.199 --> 01:50:29.560
I got Sena and last year would have been a
2188
01:50:29.600 --> 01:50:33.520
better idea, and then Edge and uh and Rand, I.
2189
01:50:33.520 --> 01:50:36.119
Know I agree with that, and fortunately it's been sick
2190
01:50:36.119 --> 01:50:38.319
man and card subject to change, and his mind is
2191
01:50:38.319 --> 01:50:40.279
subject to change. So that's where you say, you know,
2192
01:50:40.319 --> 01:50:42.960
with a grain of salt, you know, whatever you hear,
2193
01:50:43.319 --> 01:50:46.119
I've heard things that don't end up happening, so you know,
2194
01:50:46.279 --> 01:50:47.600
you just kind of lean on that. But I don't,
2195
01:50:47.640 --> 01:50:48.800
I mean, I don't want to get too hung.
2196
01:50:48.760 --> 01:50:49.039
Up on it.
2197
01:50:49.079 --> 01:50:51.920
I just it just it just seems like I don't know,
2198
01:50:52.359 --> 01:50:53.079
I made my point.
2199
01:50:53.960 --> 01:50:56.319
I mean, he's also known to change. When people have
2200
01:50:56.399 --> 01:50:59.960
figured out the ending, maybe a lot of people start
2201
01:50:59.479 --> 01:51:04.439
to go, oh, we can't do that now.
2202
01:51:05.079 --> 01:51:09.680
Absolutely yeah, yeah, you know that last segment you're just
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I do want to talk about Otis because man, it
2218
01:52:05.880 --> 01:52:08.600
amazes me. WW does know how to build up people.
2219
01:52:09.319 --> 01:52:11.479
Michael Cole looking like a monster.
2220
01:52:11.720 --> 01:52:16.000
Michael Cole's inflection it was like brock Lesnard destroying John
2221
01:52:16.039 --> 01:52:20.000
Cena that one time, Like oh my god, Otis. It's
2222
01:52:20.079 --> 01:52:23.720
like he just plowed like the tone like Cole saves
2223
01:52:23.800 --> 01:52:26.119
like Jimmy Jimmy Smith like acted like that for every
2224
01:52:26.119 --> 01:52:28.199
moment of every match a few weeks going raw, like
2225
01:52:28.239 --> 01:52:30.600
it was just ridiculous. But like Cole saves it for
2226
01:52:30.640 --> 01:52:32.800
when it really when it's like meant to mean something.
2227
01:52:33.159 --> 01:52:36.000
And I mean like Otis has done splashes before, off
2228
01:52:36.000 --> 01:52:38.840
the second rope, It's like Otis with us splash, this
2229
01:52:38.920 --> 01:52:41.920
might do it. But here was, Oh my god, Otis
2230
01:52:41.920 --> 01:52:46.520
with us flash, Like it was just wow, Like he
2231
01:52:46.640 --> 01:52:49.399
was totally you know, obviously Vince directed him like amp
2232
01:52:49.479 --> 01:52:52.840
it up, put this guy over. It felt, you know,
2233
01:52:52.920 --> 01:52:55.399
from to my ear, a little contrived, but I I
2234
01:52:55.720 --> 01:52:57.479
get why they're doing it, and yeah, I mean they
2235
01:52:57.640 --> 01:53:00.520
really are trying to elevate him. And you know, Cole
2236
01:53:00.560 --> 01:53:04.720
sat said it about as Alena. Was it Alena Bagat too?
2237
01:53:04.800 --> 01:53:07.800
See said about somebody how no, was it Lim Morgan?
2238
01:53:07.960 --> 01:53:08.319
I don't know.
2239
01:53:08.319 --> 01:53:09.880
Earlier in the show he said something about how you
2240
01:53:09.880 --> 01:53:11.000
know you talk to people in the back and they
2241
01:53:11.000 --> 01:53:12.960
say she had a tunnel, she's always had potential. Maybe
2242
01:53:13.000 --> 01:53:15.560
it's lift. But then he said the same thing about Otis,
2243
01:53:15.560 --> 01:53:18.239
but like, you know, really late it on, like said firmly,
2244
01:53:18.279 --> 01:53:21.159
like you can't people always say Otis said great, potentially
2245
01:53:21.239 --> 01:53:23.880
just needed a change in attitude, and you know, Chad
2246
01:53:23.880 --> 01:53:25.840
Gable's really done it. I think it'd be more credible
2247
01:53:25.840 --> 01:53:27.800
if Chad Gable hadn't, you know, been such a joke
2248
01:53:28.359 --> 01:53:31.880
of a character leading into this. But you know, Gable's good.
2249
01:53:31.920 --> 01:53:35.359
I'd like to I'm I miss when we don't see
2250
01:53:35.439 --> 01:53:38.520
Chad Gable get to perform a little bit more, you know,
2251
01:53:38.600 --> 01:53:40.239
on the mic. But I think they really just do
2252
01:53:40.319 --> 01:53:42.119
want to focus on Otis. But I think Gable adds
2253
01:53:42.159 --> 01:53:42.640
to the act.
2254
01:53:42.720 --> 01:53:43.359
So I don't know.
2255
01:53:43.359 --> 01:53:44.800
What what do you think, Mike? Is it working for you?
2256
01:53:45.319 --> 01:53:48.680
It's it's pretty interesting the transformation. And I actually have
2257
01:53:48.960 --> 01:53:50.720
a thought experiment to pitch to you.
2258
01:53:50.760 --> 01:53:51.079
Guys.
2259
01:53:52.079 --> 01:53:55.760
Can you put yourself in a position where tonight was
2260
01:53:55.800 --> 01:53:57.359
your introduction to Otis?
2261
01:53:58.840 --> 01:53:59.319
Do that?
2262
01:54:00.079 --> 01:54:03.479
And can you would you look at that and think interesting,
2263
01:54:03.760 --> 01:54:05.760
big strong, tough.
2264
01:54:05.560 --> 01:54:06.079
Mean guy.
2265
01:54:06.680 --> 01:54:09.279
What he needs is a big beard and longer hair
2266
01:54:09.319 --> 01:54:12.319
and act goofy and he would be hilarious. Would that
2267
01:54:12.359 --> 01:54:13.319
even cross her mind?
2268
01:54:15.000 --> 01:54:18.079
Wow? You could? You could do the same thing, like
2269
01:54:18.119 --> 01:54:20.199
when TNA tried to Impact wrestling, Try to push Eric
2270
01:54:20.279 --> 01:54:22.640
Young as like the new Mad Dog buzz Sawyer late
2271
01:54:22.640 --> 01:54:25.239
in the Dixie Carter era, and I remember talking to
2272
01:54:25.239 --> 01:54:27.159
Dixie on the show and she's like, oh yeah, really excited.
2273
01:54:27.319 --> 01:54:28.960
Eric Young so talented, this is a whole new thing.
2274
01:54:29.000 --> 01:54:32.239
He's super excited about this. And and I was like,
2275
01:54:32.279 --> 01:54:36.279
I can't unsee the Eric Young that I've seen for years.
2276
01:54:36.319 --> 01:54:40.680
But if you had just tuned in that week, is
2277
01:54:40.720 --> 01:54:43.039
he you know, this is like mad Dog buzz Sawyer,
2278
01:54:43.079 --> 01:54:45.920
guy with an edge, a little Rick Steiner, you know,
2279
01:54:46.000 --> 01:54:49.680
like credible, it was hot, you know, I don't know.
2280
01:54:52.319 --> 01:54:54.239
I think I might think this guy would be funny
2281
01:54:54.239 --> 01:54:56.720
if he grew a beard an acted goofy. I don't
2282
01:54:56.800 --> 01:55:00.479
it is. It is a thought experiment. It's tough. It's
2283
01:55:00.520 --> 01:55:04.439
tough to unsee what we've seen with Otis and he
2284
01:55:04.560 --> 01:55:07.079
is with Chad Gable, who also was a comedy act.
2285
01:55:07.199 --> 01:55:10.199
So like it's not like you know, the old manager
2286
01:55:10.239 --> 01:55:12.239
Gary Hart got ahold of him or you know somebody
2287
01:55:12.239 --> 01:55:15.000
where you're like, ah, this guy, you know, changes people.
2288
01:55:15.159 --> 01:55:15.399
You know.
2289
01:55:15.840 --> 01:55:21.319
It's like Gable's a goof, so that doesn't help. And
2290
01:55:21.359 --> 01:55:24.359
he's not super tall and he doesn't have the type
2291
01:55:24.359 --> 01:55:26.600
of body that feels badass. It does sort of feel
2292
01:55:27.399 --> 01:55:30.439
a little more you know, comedy. So I don't know,
2293
01:55:30.479 --> 01:55:32.319
what do you, Javier, what do you think? It's an
2294
01:55:32.359 --> 01:55:34.000
interesting question, Mike poses.
2295
01:55:35.680 --> 01:55:38.359
You know what, I actually might have had that thought
2296
01:55:38.359 --> 01:55:43.840
while I was watching this sort of because I wasn't
2297
01:55:43.880 --> 01:55:48.079
really exposed to him. I knew of the character and
2298
01:55:48.439 --> 01:55:50.079
you know, when I was younger, but you know, it
2299
01:55:50.159 --> 01:55:53.520
was it wasn't like really during my watching wrestling, but
2300
01:55:54.239 --> 01:55:58.479
you know, so the parallels might not exactly be the same.
2301
01:55:58.520 --> 01:56:01.920
But when I was watching him, I'm like, for some reason,
2302
01:56:02.039 --> 01:56:05.359
otis Is reminded me of King Kong. Bundy now and then,
2303
01:56:05.520 --> 01:56:08.600
like you know, to what you were saying, Mike, like
2304
01:56:08.760 --> 01:56:11.039
I can see that, like, you know, because he became
2305
01:56:11.079 --> 01:56:13.760
a comedy feed figure later on.
2306
01:56:14.000 --> 01:56:19.560
Yeah, so you know, yeah, Bundy was always a little
2307
01:56:19.560 --> 01:56:22.760
bit Bundy was in w b F, even he was
2308
01:56:22.760 --> 01:56:25.640
a little more cartoonish, even when he was shooting with Hulkogen.
2309
01:56:27.119 --> 01:56:29.680
There's always kind of a cartoonishness where he didn't really
2310
01:56:29.720 --> 01:56:32.159
have an edge to him. He wasn't, you know. It's
2311
01:56:32.279 --> 01:56:34.840
just the way Vince has always promoted like it's you know,
2312
01:56:35.000 --> 01:56:38.399
or almost always has some attitude or exceptions, but there's
2313
01:56:38.439 --> 01:56:40.600
you know, the Bundy he has sort of had some
2314
01:56:40.720 --> 01:56:43.399
rounded edges to a heel act, whereas like, you know,
2315
01:56:43.439 --> 01:56:45.600
going back a little further, like mad Dog buzsor it
2316
01:56:45.640 --> 01:56:49.159
was just this crazy intense like I don't I don't
2317
01:56:49.159 --> 01:56:51.600
want this guy as a neighbor, and if he built
2318
01:56:51.600 --> 01:56:54.920
a fence ten feet into my property, I wouldn'tdare say
2319
01:56:54.960 --> 01:56:57.079
anything to him, like you know, like that, You're like,
2320
01:56:57.399 --> 01:56:59.000
is he the neighbor you'd be scared to say anything
2321
01:56:59.000 --> 01:57:01.520
to if he infringeting probable? And with Bundy, I'd be like, well,
2322
01:57:01.520 --> 01:57:02.840
I think I could probably go over there and talk
2323
01:57:02.880 --> 01:57:06.319
sense to him. To me, like otis is otis the
2324
01:57:06.359 --> 01:57:10.079
neighbor you wouldn't say anything too because he so seems unstable?
2325
01:57:11.479 --> 01:57:13.960
Or is he the guy that you think you could,
2326
01:57:14.119 --> 01:57:16.279
you know, reason with? And I don't know yet. I
2327
01:57:16.479 --> 01:57:18.319
gotta I guess I have to see more. And I
2328
01:57:18.359 --> 01:57:20.600
was a little distracted by Cole just trying to strong
2329
01:57:20.720 --> 01:57:23.199
Army into feeling a certain way about him. And I'm
2330
01:57:23.199 --> 01:57:24.640
not saying that's not the right thing to do at
2331
01:57:24.640 --> 01:57:27.000
this stage, but I'm saying that is my predominant feelings.
2332
01:57:27.000 --> 01:57:28.840
Oh my god, Michael Cole, sure is heart selling him
2333
01:57:28.960 --> 01:57:30.600
as opposed to kind of letting me just figure it
2334
01:57:30.600 --> 01:57:32.000
out myself at this point.
2335
01:57:32.560 --> 01:57:35.640
And I think time passing goes a long way with
2336
01:57:35.800 --> 01:57:39.880
the transformation like this, because as jarring as it is
2337
01:57:39.960 --> 01:57:43.079
right now, if we fast forward six or eight weeks
2338
01:57:43.199 --> 01:57:46.399
and they're still moving in this direction, it might just
2339
01:57:46.439 --> 01:57:48.720
become the new norm, the new this is how we
2340
01:57:48.800 --> 01:57:52.439
think of otis And if they stay the course, I'm
2341
01:57:52.439 --> 01:57:55.640
confident that'll that's what will happen. I'm not sure which
2342
01:57:55.720 --> 01:57:59.680
is the optimal use that will be. That actually will
2343
01:57:59.680 --> 01:58:01.079
be interesting to see.
2344
01:58:00.760 --> 01:58:04.560
Like do you want him to talk, Mike? Will that help?
2345
01:58:06.039 --> 01:58:09.760
Not yet? Yeah? Not yet? Now what you've got Chad
2346
01:58:09.800 --> 01:58:10.399
Gable there?
2347
01:58:10.640 --> 01:58:10.800
Well?
2348
01:58:10.880 --> 01:58:12.359
And the reason I bring that up is I was
2349
01:58:12.439 --> 01:58:18.119
thinking I still imagine him, like I do I need
2350
01:58:18.159 --> 01:58:20.399
to have that. I can't just erase it. I think
2351
01:58:20.439 --> 01:58:23.399
I need to replace that with something else, Like I
2352
01:58:23.479 --> 01:58:25.760
kind of I soon I want to hear him talk,
2353
01:58:26.560 --> 01:58:28.680
and if he doesn't, it's probably because they've tried it
2354
01:58:28.720 --> 01:58:30.279
and it won't work, like it just doesn't have it
2355
01:58:30.319 --> 01:58:32.319
in him, and that's fine. But if he has it
2356
01:58:32.399 --> 01:58:34.800
in him, I think I think it's like if a
2357
01:58:34.800 --> 01:58:36.560
song is stuck in your head. You can't not have
2358
01:58:36.600 --> 01:58:37.800
it stuck in your head. You got to listen to
2359
01:58:37.880 --> 01:58:40.439
other songs that's catchy to wipe the other one away.
2360
01:58:40.840 --> 01:58:42.680
That's kind of how I am on to, you know,
2361
01:58:42.680 --> 01:58:45.239
on the you know that that that act. So I
2362
01:58:45.239 --> 01:58:48.960
don't think just shaving the beard and freezing his face
2363
01:58:49.000 --> 01:58:51.720
in a snarl and then Michael Cole convincing me he's
2364
01:58:51.760 --> 01:58:54.399
badass is enough? Like I kind of need or Chad
2365
01:58:54.399 --> 01:58:56.199
Gable even for that matter, you know, who's a kind
2366
01:58:56.199 --> 01:58:58.479
of a goof character. I kind of need to feel
2367
01:58:58.479 --> 01:59:00.960
it through a promo. But you know, I mean, it's
2368
01:59:00.960 --> 01:59:04.319
an artistic, deliberate choice not to based on a little
2369
01:59:04.359 --> 01:59:06.199
more information than I have, which is maybe they've tried
2370
01:59:06.239 --> 01:59:08.600
it and it sucked, or maybe they're timing it out
2371
01:59:08.640 --> 01:59:10.960
for a little bit later. They might, but if they're
2372
01:59:11.000 --> 01:59:12.399
just if he has it in him and they're not
2373
01:59:12.439 --> 01:59:13.840
doing it, I think that might be a mistake.
2374
01:59:14.680 --> 01:59:18.439
Well, I think Otis has spoken since being aligned with
2375
01:59:19.479 --> 01:59:25.800
Chad Gable, and it was just a more less cartoonish delivery,
2376
01:59:25.880 --> 01:59:26.119
you know.
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01:59:26.399 --> 01:59:28.079
But it wasn't a promo, right, It was just sort
2378
01:59:28.119 --> 01:59:29.880
of no, And that's kind of what I mean is
2379
01:59:29.920 --> 01:59:32.520
like I need him to sort of take him out
2380
01:59:32.520 --> 01:59:35.000
of the microphone, not just have a yeah, boss, I'm
2381
01:59:35.000 --> 01:59:36.600
gonna go, you know, like yeah, I'll go do that,
2382
01:59:36.720 --> 01:59:40.960
you know, like more than that, like multiple sentences looking
2383
01:59:40.960 --> 01:59:44.000
into the camera sell me on his mission and his match,
2384
01:59:45.159 --> 01:59:47.680
playing off of Gable in a way where it adds
2385
01:59:47.720 --> 01:59:50.520
another dimension to his character that again sort of displaces
2386
01:59:50.920 --> 01:59:52.319
the old image I have of him.
2387
01:59:53.439 --> 01:59:55.880
Yeah, I think all I'm thinking of is a I
2388
01:59:55.920 --> 01:59:58.359
think it was a backstage encounter with the Street Profits
2389
01:59:58.720 --> 02:00:01.359
where he wanted them to applyologized to Gabled or something
2390
02:00:01.439 --> 02:00:07.640
like that. But Yeah, as for yeah looking like on
2391
02:00:07.680 --> 02:00:10.680
the microphone looking into the camera for a promo, Yeah,
2392
02:00:10.680 --> 02:00:14.319
I don't know, I'd be interested. Or maybe they want
2393
02:00:14.359 --> 02:00:17.600
to go like the strong, silent type for a minute
2394
02:00:17.640 --> 02:00:19.640
and have maybe Gable do the talking.
2395
02:00:26.439 --> 02:00:29.439
Longing for some nostalgia, or maybe you want to learn
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02:00:29.520 --> 02:00:33.399
some wrestling history, don't miss the Nineties Past Cast Every
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02:00:33.439 --> 02:00:36.800
Friday on the PW Torch Daily Cast Feed. Alex and
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Patrick will transport you thirty years into the past by
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02:00:40.199 --> 02:00:42.920
taking you through the Torch issue from that very week.
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Follow news from the WWF and WCW and all.
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The happenings from across the wrestling industry in real time,
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as The Torch reported it thirty years ago. That's the
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nineties past cast every Friday on the PW Torch Daily
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Cast feed.
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M.
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How do you are anything else?
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02:01:13.520 --> 02:01:13.760
Yeah?
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02:01:14.439 --> 02:01:17.039
You you you again? You got into my You got
2409
02:01:17.079 --> 02:01:20.000
in my head when I was watching that match, because
2410
02:01:20.079 --> 02:01:22.159
I was also I was thinking about the promo thing
2411
02:01:22.680 --> 02:01:25.119
that if he cuts the promo, I'm hoping it's it's
2412
02:01:25.439 --> 02:01:32.560
they do something. Uh uh uh was his name Fastest
2413
02:01:32.640 --> 02:01:35.960
when Fastus joined? Was it c inpunk? And he got
2414
02:01:36.239 --> 02:01:40.439
off the drugs basically, and then he starts dogging normally. Yeah,
2415
02:01:42.239 --> 02:01:44.680
I was thinking about something like around the same lines
2416
02:01:44.680 --> 02:01:46.800
that they could do the same thing with you know
2417
02:01:46.880 --> 02:01:49.359
that that he you know, the work, he starts talking
2418
02:01:49.359 --> 02:01:53.840
more particulately and uh or you know, you know less
2419
02:01:53.880 --> 02:01:57.800
you know, okay, you know, and and more normal and
2420
02:01:57.920 --> 02:02:01.119
to show like a complete transformation. I also don't want
2421
02:02:01.159 --> 02:02:03.880
him to be too good at it because you know,
2422
02:02:04.359 --> 02:02:07.640
as we've seen, Vince doesn't like the whole manager role.
2423
02:02:07.760 --> 02:02:11.319
So then at some point, you know, Od is gonna
2424
02:02:11.359 --> 02:02:14.159
eat Gable and the Gable is going to be you know,
2425
02:02:15.319 --> 02:02:18.039
uh not long for the world kind of thing, the
2426
02:02:18.079 --> 02:02:20.119
same thing. It says the same thing I was saying about,
2427
02:02:20.199 --> 02:02:25.880
uh lastly into her business. Yeah. So hopefully this this
2428
02:02:26.039 --> 02:02:29.720
maintains for quite a while, because I think there's potential
2429
02:02:29.760 --> 02:02:31.960
here because you know, watching that match and watching the
2430
02:02:31.960 --> 02:02:34.399
way what they were doing with him, like, there's potential there,
2431
02:02:34.960 --> 02:02:38.880
and you know, God, please don't squander it.
2432
02:02:39.199 --> 02:02:40.760
Very good anything else you want to bring up from
2433
02:02:40.760 --> 02:02:42.720
the show, Just.
2434
02:02:43.119 --> 02:02:48.119
One quick on the not on the show, but because
2435
02:02:48.239 --> 02:02:50.399
I was listening to the six and you were talking
2436
02:02:50.399 --> 02:02:56.399
about the the uh, the Chris and Cage uh promo
2437
02:02:56.760 --> 02:03:00.359
from what was like the the one on Saturday. Yeah,
2438
02:03:00.439 --> 02:03:03.439
and you're you know, and and you're talking about how like, oh,
2439
02:03:03.520 --> 02:03:06.319
you know, it's it's obvious that they're they're signposting that
2440
02:03:06.399 --> 02:03:07.960
it's a heel turn and stuff like that. I'm like,
2441
02:03:08.359 --> 02:03:10.359
and I'm thinking to myself and like, no, I mean,
2442
02:03:10.399 --> 02:03:12.640
you know, it looks like that way, but you never
2443
02:03:12.720 --> 02:03:15.319
know the direction you're going to go, because they might
2444
02:03:15.359 --> 02:03:19.600
think I'm like, wait a minute, I'm applying WW logic
2445
02:03:20.800 --> 02:03:26.199
to a W. So No, maybe maybe this is right,
2446
02:03:26.239 --> 02:03:28.600
Maybe Christian is you know, maybe there are signed posting
2447
02:03:28.640 --> 02:03:31.199
that that Chris is in the Turn Turn heel So
2448
02:03:31.600 --> 02:03:34.560
that's that's how much w W has like wrecked me. Yeah,
2449
02:03:35.000 --> 02:03:38.279
where someone starts acting heelish, and I don't know whether
2450
02:03:38.319 --> 02:03:39.960
it was it's meant to be a heel turn or
2451
02:03:40.000 --> 02:03:41.720
if it's just like how they're writing the character.
2452
02:03:41.800 --> 02:03:41.960
Now.
2453
02:03:43.640 --> 02:03:46.800
Yeah, yeah, I get it. I mean I think the
2454
02:03:47.079 --> 02:03:49.560
I think the bread crumbs are there leading us towards it,
2455
02:03:49.600 --> 02:03:51.640
you know, with with Christian being the second to last
2456
02:03:51.680 --> 02:03:55.119
guy in the Casino Battle Royal and then referencing it,
2457
02:03:55.239 --> 02:03:58.800
and I mean, but if you look at Christian's initial promo,
2458
02:03:59.239 --> 02:04:02.199
I mean, I thought it was awful and clueless and
2459
02:04:02.279 --> 02:04:05.640
un self aware and set them off. It just confirmed
2460
02:04:06.840 --> 02:04:08.920
a predisposition that a lot of people had to not
2461
02:04:09.039 --> 02:04:13.439
like him. And so I think they're aware of that,
2462
02:04:13.880 --> 02:04:16.600
perhaps begrudgingly. I think Tony Kan and Christian Cage are
2463
02:04:16.640 --> 02:04:19.840
aware that that's the perception. So I don't think I
2464
02:04:19.880 --> 02:04:23.159
don't think they're still oblivious to how what his reception
2465
02:04:23.239 --> 02:04:26.159
will be. So I don't know. I mean, but yeah,
2466
02:04:26.359 --> 02:04:30.000
h of course, I mean you're we are. There's a
2467
02:04:30.000 --> 02:04:32.039
lot of dough to b logic in our heads as
2468
02:04:32.039 --> 02:04:35.600
we watch, even with Roman and Mayman like there's you know,
2469
02:04:35.640 --> 02:04:37.920
like I said, there's that. You know, we're playing checkers.
2470
02:04:37.920 --> 02:04:40.399
You don't pay close attention. You know, there's red pieces,
2471
02:04:40.399 --> 02:04:42.239
black pieces, and they move like this, and sometimes the
2472
02:04:42.279 --> 02:04:45.039
rules change for no good reasons, so prepare yourself for that.
2473
02:04:45.039 --> 02:04:47.239
That's not how checkers really works, but it's insanct Man's Checkers.
2474
02:04:47.279 --> 02:04:49.000
And then you have this storyline which is just this
2475
02:04:49.319 --> 02:04:53.319
whole other thing that deserves your attention to detail. And
2476
02:04:53.479 --> 02:04:56.399
you know, aw is kind of up and down in
2477
02:04:56.439 --> 02:04:58.720
that way too. You know, I mean not to get
2478
02:04:58.720 --> 02:05:00.479
a whole discussion about them, but I mean there's things
2479
02:05:00.520 --> 02:05:02.319
where you're looking to go, oh yeah, that that worked well.
2480
02:05:02.319 --> 02:05:04.920
And then you know there's you know, hangman page is
2481
02:05:04.960 --> 02:05:08.159
he does he drink or not? And the bucks so
2482
02:05:08.239 --> 02:05:11.720
they heals their faces and was that masterful stuff or
2483
02:05:11.720 --> 02:05:15.000
clueless stuff when they were super kicking innocent people? You know,
2484
02:05:15.039 --> 02:05:18.560
it's like so they're not perfect in that way, but
2485
02:05:18.600 --> 02:05:20.279
there's a whole other on guard that you have to
2486
02:05:20.279 --> 02:05:21.239
be when you watch them too.
2487
02:05:22.880 --> 02:05:26.439
Yes, just it was a weird, particularly that episodes and
2488
02:05:26.479 --> 02:05:28.840
when I'm talking about the Fix the Adams Family was
2489
02:05:28.920 --> 02:05:32.479
the movie with the stripper Bacon's that take.
2490
02:05:32.640 --> 02:05:36.039
Oh god, okay, good, thank you. We needed to know that.
2491
02:05:36.479 --> 02:05:40.359
So if people want context on that, they could check
2492
02:05:40.359 --> 02:05:41.840
out The Fix, Go be it well.
2493
02:05:42.359 --> 02:05:44.079
Part Part one of the Fix this week was eighty
2494
02:05:44.119 --> 02:05:46.760
nine minutes, Part two one hundred twelve no. Part one
2495
02:05:46.840 --> 02:05:48.640
was sixty eight minutes, Part two eighty nine minutes, and
2496
02:05:48.680 --> 02:05:51.159
Part three one hundred twelve minutes. So there's a lot
2497
02:05:51.199 --> 02:05:51.399
of it.
2498
02:05:51.479 --> 02:05:51.840
This week.
2499
02:05:51.880 --> 02:05:53.920
We talked for four and a half hours, but a
2500
02:05:53.920 --> 02:05:56.640
big chunk of that is free our every three weeks
2501
02:05:56.680 --> 02:05:59.279
simulcast on the flag ships so people can hear that.
2502
02:06:00.359 --> 02:06:03.439
A good portion of the show on the Blue brand
2503
02:06:03.479 --> 02:06:05.359
for Thursday, and then you go v IPC. You don't
2504
02:06:05.359 --> 02:06:06.840
have to wait through more weeks to hear Todd and
2505
02:06:06.920 --> 02:06:12.920
me banter and debate and uh, Todd prepare for debates
2506
02:06:12.920 --> 02:06:15.000
and then throw it at me and I'm unprepared and
2507
02:06:15.000 --> 02:06:17.079
then he wins, and then he spikes the football and
2508
02:06:17.119 --> 02:06:18.439
I feel bad, and then we move on.
2509
02:06:23.319 --> 02:06:25.720
I think that's yeah, that's pretty much streud, pretty much
2510
02:06:25.760 --> 02:06:28.000
all I guess, unless I don't think I'm missing it.
2511
02:06:29.119 --> 02:06:32.840
Uh no, uh, we got all covered.
2512
02:06:33.479 --> 02:06:37.159
Sorry, Sorry everybody that the Newspaper podcast has been a
2513
02:06:37.239 --> 02:06:40.199
couple of weeks off, but uh, work has been I'm
2514
02:06:40.239 --> 02:06:44.039
doing the work for three people and my downtime at
2515
02:06:44.039 --> 02:06:45.600
work is non existent. And that's when I used to
2516
02:06:45.640 --> 02:06:46.199
watch wrestling.
2517
02:06:46.399 --> 02:06:49.560
Yeah, uh yeah.
2518
02:06:49.640 --> 02:06:51.199
So we've got a long weekend this week, so I
2519
02:06:51.239 --> 02:06:52.560
got a lot of needs to fan to catch up on,
2520
02:06:52.680 --> 02:06:54.840
and uh, I'll catch up everybody up on that.
2521
02:06:54.920 --> 02:06:56.880
And just some news too, you know, the l A
2522
02:06:57.000 --> 02:07:00.920
show and some now you know a number of announcements
2523
02:07:00.960 --> 02:07:01.800
to give your take on.
2524
02:07:01.920 --> 02:07:05.159
So yeah, I've been down to talk about that, and
2525
02:07:05.439 --> 02:07:08.239
I was really because I'm a fan of the Young
2526
02:07:08.359 --> 02:07:10.960
Lions and they've they've had that that gauntlet that they've
2527
02:07:10.960 --> 02:07:12.800
gone through. I've only been able to watch like two
2528
02:07:12.840 --> 02:07:17.800
of those matches. So yeah, got a lot of stuff
2529
02:07:17.840 --> 02:07:18.319
to catch up on.
2530
02:07:18.560 --> 02:07:20.159
No fireworks for you have here, Just.
2531
02:07:20.279 --> 02:07:23.399
Just new Japan, No, no, no, just just some burgers
2532
02:07:23.439 --> 02:07:25.520
and that's sounds good.
2533
02:07:25.520 --> 02:07:28.439
All right, take care of you. I appreciate it.
2534
02:07:29.000 --> 02:07:30.800
Were good, Mike.
2535
02:07:30.880 --> 02:07:33.159
Anything else you want to add to the show otherwise
2536
02:07:33.199 --> 02:07:35.640
we can uh, we can wrap up there. I think
2537
02:07:35.680 --> 02:07:36.880
we covered everything I want to cover.
2538
02:07:38.359 --> 02:07:41.239
One final thing from SmackDown is if I would invite
2539
02:07:41.520 --> 02:07:46.000
listeners to rewatch the scene or the the segment where
2540
02:07:46.119 --> 02:07:50.760
Seth Rollins talked to Adam Pierce and Sony Deville backstage,
2541
02:07:51.399 --> 02:07:54.560
and just watch it on mute and only watch Adam
2542
02:07:54.600 --> 02:07:58.399
Pierce's face. And that's the best roller coaster ride you'll
2543
02:07:58.439 --> 02:07:59.520
have all summer long.
2544
02:08:00.159 --> 02:08:00.720
Fantastic.
2545
02:08:01.319 --> 02:08:04.479
I am all all for Adam Pearce. He is one
2546
02:08:04.520 --> 02:08:08.399
of the MVPs of this pandemic era. Just a joy
2547
02:08:08.479 --> 02:08:12.600
to watch. He's just as perfect a backstage straight man,
2548
02:08:12.920 --> 02:08:15.199
middle management guy as you can imagine. I mean, there's
2549
02:08:15.279 --> 02:08:19.119
he just he. He has been a pleasant surprise over
2550
02:08:19.159 --> 02:08:21.680
the past year plus. And I will do that for
2551
02:08:21.760 --> 02:08:24.520
you because I didn't the first time, but I do
2552
02:08:24.680 --> 02:08:27.720
you know, I do feel rewarded when I pay attention
2553
02:08:27.760 --> 02:08:30.560
to Pierce. He he hits the right tone, and I
2554
02:08:30.680 --> 02:08:32.800
want him to be the director of all segments so
2555
02:08:32.880 --> 02:08:33.560
everyone can hit the.
2556
02:08:33.600 --> 02:08:36.079
Right tone big time. He's awesome.
2557
02:08:36.319 --> 02:08:36.560
Cool.
2558
02:08:36.680 --> 02:08:39.319
I might tell tell people anything you want about the
2559
02:08:39.359 --> 02:08:41.159
work you do for the Torch or your social media
2560
02:08:41.640 --> 02:08:44.359
or a movie recommendation or anything like that.
2561
02:08:45.279 --> 02:08:45.479
Yeah.
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02:08:45.560 --> 02:08:45.800
Sure.
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02:08:46.399 --> 02:08:48.399
For p tow b Torch dot com, I write a
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02:08:48.520 --> 02:08:52.199
weekly report for w Tobe's main event that airs on
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Hulu every week. That's two matches, usually with raw personnel.
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I also write the report for every WBE pay per
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am at the Mic Show forty two. And if you
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want to move your recommendation, I say watch Cloverfield. And
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in fact, if you want to hear me talk about Cloverfield,
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you can do so on a different podcast, non wrestling related,
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called We Are the Watchers of Movies.
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So wherever you.
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Find podcasts, search for We Are the Watches of Movies.
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A few episodes back, there's Cloverfield and we had a
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great time talking about that. I was a guest host.
2578
02:09:38.840 --> 02:09:43.039
Awesome, awesome, I'm glad. I asked that'll those for us
2579
02:09:43.439 --> 02:09:45.640
have a great Fourth of July weekend. If you're listening
2580
02:09:45.720 --> 02:09:48.520
to us beforehand, stay safe with those fireworks. I hear
2581
02:09:48.560 --> 02:09:51.840
they're dangerous and it should be left up to professionals
2582
02:09:51.920 --> 02:09:53.960
or drunk people, so be sure you're one or the other. No,
2583
02:09:54.119 --> 02:09:58.000
that's bad. Advice and joy whatever you do this weekend,
2584
02:09:58.199 --> 02:10:01.199
and check out our Like Ship yesterday if you haven't yet,
2585
02:10:01.399 --> 02:10:04.000
And I'll be back with more shows at best of
2586
02:10:04.079 --> 02:10:05.680
shows on the weekend, and then of course we die
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02:10:05.760 --> 02:10:09.920
for Hobek coverage as we approach live crowds Wednesday b W.
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02:10:12.279 --> 02:10:12.720
In Miami.
2589
02:10:12.960 --> 02:10:16.399
So anyway, thanks Mike, thanks fallers, thanks listeners, thanks everybody.
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