TWO YEARS!! Poison Milkshake, Missing on The Beach & Lost Love

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Hey everybody, I'm Sierra.
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And I'm Ben.
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Welcome back to another episode of The Unsolved Couple, where
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every week Ben and I recap one of your original
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gateway drugs into true crime. You had a lot of
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enthusiasm with that Unsolved Mysteries that you tossed out there
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in the intro.
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I have so much enthusiasm about this whole.
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You were full brimming with enthusiasm.
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About Unsolved Mysteries. Constantly.
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Ben, you guys, is leading the ship tonight.
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Not really. There's only three stories.
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We are now a man-focused podcast. Ben felt like his
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voice wasn't being heard enough in the world of true crime.
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I don't think those words.
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Have ever come out of my mouth and never will
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come out of my mouth.
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No, Ben was very helpful this week. I was out
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of town for the week taking care of a family
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member after a medical procedure. And so due to that.
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I was off all week, so I had more time
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on my hands.
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Ben was holding the fort down.
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Well, and you were taking care of a three-year-old.
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I was.
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And I was not.
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Yeah.
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I was taking care of teenagers and a preteen, which
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are much easier to take care of.
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Harder in some ways.
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Three-year-olds are awesome, though.
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Yes.
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Three-year-olds.
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I played a lot of imagination this week.
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I miss my kids being that young. And I love
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the age my kids are. They're amazing. They're wonderful.
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Every age has something you love, and then every something
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that you're like, oh, I miss that.
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But when that was some of my favorite stages was
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from three to like seven, eight. It's a lot of fun.
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Yeah, because everything's magical.
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Yeah, they're just, yeah.
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But yeah, there were many nights Ben would call me
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and it would be like 830 my time. I was
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an hour ahead and I was like crashing. And today,
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I took a three-hour nap. And not just like three-hour lazy,
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like a hard nap. And when I woke up, I
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almost fell back asleep. And if I hadn't checked the time,
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I would have slept probably until late into the evening.
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You didn't know the world existed for three hours.
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No, I did not. I didn't realize that you had
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left the house or that you would come back home.
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Nothing. So. I was surprised, so. I know.
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And the crazy thing is, is the last hour I
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felt really tired and almost like I could have fallen
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asleep again. But yeah, props to all of the older
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parents taking care of three-year-olds because I'm 42 and I
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know many of women.
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No, you're not.
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I'm 41. Gosh, thank you. I'm 41. But I know
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many women that have had children later in life. And
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a three-year-old in your 40s is much different than the
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last time I had a three-year-old, which was almost 10
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years ago. I'd have been in my early 30s.
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Yep. Yeah.
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All right. So with that, we are recapping Season 5,
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Episode 11. There are three cases we're going to be
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talking about. Ben is taking two of them. Did you
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come up with our end of the podcast question?
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No, I didn't take that responsibility.
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You didn't take it. So I still need to do that.
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Okay.
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Well, I'll do a little bit of digging whilst you
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tell us the first story. Before we dive into today's cases,
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did you want to take care of the plugs as well?
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I don't do that stuff. Okay.
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That's all right. Before we dive into today's cases, please
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I will turn the reins over to you.
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Okay. I have a lost love. I'll say I'm real
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excited for your story. I got lots of questions.
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This lost love is probably the most could have been
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solved by Facebook out of all of the... Lost loves
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we've ever done. And this is not a bad story.
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But again, I am just like, man, what? This could
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have been solved in three minutes with social media.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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All right.
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I'm trying really hard to stop saying I've been saying
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it a lot. So you guys can all get angry
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at me if I do it. Rubber stack comes in.
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Ben, I've learned on this podcast, you can do no wrong.
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So you could be the king of ums and still
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there will be people that are like.
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I say it a lot.
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I love the ums, but the way the woman interrupts
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the man all the time is really annoying.
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Stop. I hope you interrupt me a lot in this.
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This one's. We get told about polio. It was a
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big problem way back in the day, in the 40s
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and 50s, until the vaccine came around in 1952. Robert
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Stack tells us about this, giving us a little history lesson, okay?
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But the vaccine came around in 1952, but Judy Davis
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from Beverly, Ohio, unfortunately, she got polio in the 1940s.
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When she was five years old in 1949, she got it,
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and it affected her legs.
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Do you know anything about polio?
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I don't. I just know it was terrible.
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How could you catch it?
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Do you know? I have no idea. I don't know much.
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I didn't investigate.
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It's been cured by the time we came around.
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Yeah. Yeah. But I know people with my parents' generation.
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Is that the vaccine on the arm that like left
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the indent, the polio vaccine? Do you know like what
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I'm talking about? That circle?
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I mean, I have no idea.
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Okay, you know what I'm talking about.
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My parents were born in 1944. So they were eight
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by the time the vaccine was even invented. My parents
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could have gotten it because it did affect mostly kids,
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little kids too. So Judy Davis did get it and
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she was crippled due to it. She had that effect
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with her legs. So she had to wear braces on
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her legs. So But her parents, it seemed like she
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had very good parents. They raised her, tried to teach
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her to be independent, and they wanted her to have
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as normal of a life as possible. So they tell
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us she went to a special elementary school, but her
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parents wanted her to kind of go in and continue
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to have a normal life. So they put her in
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regular school for junior high. And that was in September
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of 1956. Question. I'm getting off track. Okay. Here, we
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call it middle school. Yes. Was yours called a junior
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high or a middle school growing up?
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I went to Coffinberry Middle School, but it was interchangeable.
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If you'd said junior high.
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Or middle school. Well, no, it is, but it's weird
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because some places, like mine was called a junior high.
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Yeah.
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But here in Arizona, everything is called middle school. Yeah.
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It is not junior high. The actual title of my
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school was Coffinberry Middle School. Yeah. But it's been interesting.
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So the people that I met at the Backstreet Boys
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concert from over in jolly old England.
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Just a little plug there.
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Yeah. Just from the one time I was like on
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the floor at the Backstreet Boys just a couple rows
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back or just like, you know, right there from the stage. Anyways,
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met some friends from London. Yeah. It's been fun. Because
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they've got kids a little bit younger than ours and
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so trying to like talk to them about different ages
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and stuff I've learned it doesn't translate straight across the
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board either like their grade levels are very different than
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ours are as far as what they call them and
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stuff so Junior high here in America is typically 6th, 7th,
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and 8th grade, though now there's a lot of states
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doing 7th, 8th, and 9th grade, which is crazy to me.
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Growing up, before I got to junior high, it was 7th, 8th,
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and 9th. By the time I got there, it was
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just 7th and 8th.
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Wow. That's crazy.
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And then I went high school, you know, nine through.
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Freshman is high school. That's ninth grade.
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Because that's when we would change from elementary through junior
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high was all like grade levels. And then when you
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got into high school, you were considered a freshman in
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high school or.
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Growing up, sixth grade was elementary school.
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And see, growing up for me, sixth grade was middle school.
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And in Utah... That's how theirs are. You are in
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elementary school through sixth grade.
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Well, and here that was forever. or Judy. It was
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cause she talks about, we're going to find out it
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was seventh grade. Yeah.
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So how old was she in seventh grade? What are
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you like? 12, 12.
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Our son is in seventh grade. So yes.
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Yeah. I know he's homeschooled though.
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So yeah.
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But yeah, so usually 12 turning 13 is the age range.
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Just for our international listeners, if they're trying to understand,
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that is about the age that she was when she
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transitioned from specialty schools to kind of like.
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Normal junior high.
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Yeah, the standard public education where she was the only girl,
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the only child in the school with any sort of disability.
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That age is already rough enough. I cannot imagine that.
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So she gets there. She tries to walk up the
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stairs to the school. There's no railing. She's in braces
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and crutches.
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Yeah, this is before a lot of places had to be.
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Yeah, it's the 50s.
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Yeah, disability requirements and stuff like that.
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So her dad had to carry her up the stairs.
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She was the only handicapped girl in the school. And
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so she got looked at weird. And she just felt
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out of place. But thankfully, a girl by the name
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of Becky comes up and introduces herself. It's like, hey,
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what's your first class? And they go off together and
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they end up becoming best of friends. Becky helps carry
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her books and just helps her go from class to class.
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And they become very close over their seventh grade year.
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They then transitioned into their eighth grade year. Oh, crap.
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I forgot to look this up. You're going to have
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to look this up while I am telling this story. Okay. Okay.
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They tell us, Robert Stack tells us, at the school,
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at noon.
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Oh, I had so many questions. What did happen?
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So I meant to look it up.
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Okay.
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And then I went through, finished all my notes, and
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then was looking for updates. And I forgot about this. Okay. Okay.
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They tell us at noon at the school, they would show,
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and I quote, sterilized horror movies. And I'm like, what?
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And so Becky, yeah, so look that up. Because I'm
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trying to think, was this during school days or was
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this during the summer?
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Okay, so here it is. This is just AI overview
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real quick. In the 1940s and mid-20th century, noon movies
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or noon hour movies were a highly popular staple of
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the American junior high and high school experience. Before schools
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had modern indoor recreational facilities or organized lunchtime events or clubs,
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admins needed a way to keep hundreds of students supervised, contained,
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and entertained in During cold winter months or rainy days,
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the solution was transforming the school auditorium into a mini
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movie theater during the lunch hour.
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This is freaking awesome.
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So it typically cost students a nickel to enter into
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the movie theater and it was collected and used to
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fund student council and pay for film rentals. Because the
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lunch hour was short, schools could rarely show a full
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featured film. Instead, they relied on different formats. They would
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screen like 15 to 30 minutes of a movie, leaving
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cliffhangers for kids to come back day after day. Or
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they would take a full length movie and chop it
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into 15 to 20 minute increments. And this every day
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at noon for the course of the week, one movie
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would play.
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All right.
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So there you go. And so I'm guessing they would
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scrub them as far when they said that. I think
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it meant like so that they were appropriate.
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Yeah. Anyway, so they're doing this. And as this is
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going on, Becky, her friend. becomes kind of a boyfriend-girlfriend
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with a boy by the name of David Major. And
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Judy was very afraid of boys.
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This was a major deal.
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It was a good one, babe. I caught that one.
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Judy was afraid of boys. She just couldn't even imagine
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talking to boys or anything like that. Becky was pretty
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much her only friend. So one day, Becky couldn't really
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help Judy carry all of her books because Becky had
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so many books. And she's like, well, just ask David
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to help you. Or ask one of the boys. She's like, no,
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I can't do that. But guess what? Judy drops her books.
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David comes over. He's like, hey, I can help you.
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So he helps her. Well, Becky then wasn't interested in
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David anymore. They broke up. And she now is dating Gordon.
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And guess what? David starts sitting next to Judy and
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they're holding hands during the movie and Becky's holding hands
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with Gordon and life is great.
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This was peak girlhood. I just like, yeah, this is
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how junior high relationships went.
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So a few months later, they're in their eighth grade year.
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Becky comes over and tells Judy, hey, my dad got
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a job. In West Virginia. And we're moving tomorrow. That's terrible.
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I also can't imagine as a full-fledged adult now planning
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a move and being like, yeah, we're checking out tomorrow.
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Think work is work and back then there's no unemployment
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there's nothing.
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Like you gotta take a job but like my panic
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mode of just hearing her say that went into can
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you imagine like you coming home and like babe i'm
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being transferred to a different location i'm leaving tomorrow.
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No no no so she moves they write letters they
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try to keep in touch becky doesn't come back at
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least one other time but you know over time It
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is the 50s and 60s. They lose touch. Judy wants
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to find Becky because she does say, like, due to
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Becky's friendship, that friendship alone helped her get accepted by
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others at school. Like, that really set her junior high life.
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I can understand that. I'm sure this was really hard
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for this girl. And the kindness of this one girl
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helped her then go on and make more friends. But
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Becky's still really important to her. We do find out
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that Judy did end up getting married. She was eventually,
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her condition deteriorated where she was confined to a wheelchair.
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But she got married, had four kids of her own. Fortunately,
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she did divorce, but moved to Tucson, Arizona.
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Tucson, Arizona. I was trying to see where she was
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scooting around in a little wheelchair because it showed this
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little B-roll of her. It looked like, yeah, I'm very interested.
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Yeah.
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I wonder if she's still around.
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I don't know. You don't know?
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You didn't find that in the update?
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I might be able to look it up real quick. Okay.
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I think I had something on one of them. But
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she then, she did eventually become a big advocate for
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disabled people. So, you know, for accommodations and stuff like that.
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So that's where Unsolved Mysteries leaves us. Okay. Are you
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ready for your update?
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Yes, I am.
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All right. I had to go and watch another episode
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for this update. Episode 23. Okay. Which you're going to
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be so excited about.
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Okay.
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Because there's a cult in that episode.
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I love cults. I mean, I absolutely hate cults.
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I know, but you love hearing about them.
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I love hearing about them and I love talking about
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them because I find them so fascinating.
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So this episode at the time that was being aired
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was a live show. tape the live showing of this.
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So this is happening. And as they are live, ring, ring, ring,
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Becky calls in. So they were able to talk. Then
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got in touch. Three months later, Becky flew out from
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West Virginia with her husband and they showed a reunion.
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It is, it was, It was nice.
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At the Tucson airport?
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No, at her house.
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Oh, in Tucson.
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Judy. Yes. In Tucson. Judy's in her front yard in
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her wheelchair. Becky literally jumps out of the car before
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her husband even stops the car and it was running over.
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They hug. They have a great time. I have a
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twist to this. Guess who?
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She ends up hooking up with the husband because she.
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Guess who else called that night on the live broadcast?
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No.
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David Major.
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Oh, did they hook up?
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Well, David Major was the boyfriend of both of them.
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And he, all he did, he called and said, I'm David.
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If they're interested, here's my number. And left it at that.
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When they got together, they called David at the same time.
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Like, love that.
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And it was funny because they recorded this thing and
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I wrote this down. She's like, oh, you know, I'm
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here with Becky. He's like, oh man. He says, the
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two girls who taught me how to kiss. I love that.
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So he sounded like a very nice man. It was
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funny because he says something. He's like, he says something like, wow,
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you'd be surprised. They show his picture. Yeah. This skinny
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little boy. He goes, I'm not, I don't look the same.
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She's like, I bet you don't. He goes, no, I'm
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definitely not skinny anymore.
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You know what? None of us are right. So that's
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so funny. Well, that's good. That's, you know, it's interesting.
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Like I've said, I think I mentioned it before. I, my,
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one of my best friends, I had a couple through
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elementary school. One of my favorite friends was a girl
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named Elizabeth. I can't even remember her last name from Lookingglass, Oregon.
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Her parents at the time owned or lived in the
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Lookingglass winery house. They randomly moved and I've never been
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able to find her. I don't know her last name.
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And I think I was able to, find her last
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name once years ago and she was not on social media.
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So it doesn't always.
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Solve all of the problems. I have a friend too.
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He was a good friend of mine for years.
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Yeah, I tried to look.
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Tyler Wilson. Yeah, Tyler Wilson. The most common name.
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Yeah, I think I tried to look him up for
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you one time on Instagram too.
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His dad was an eye doctor and he moved to Wenatchee.
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We stayed in touch. I went up and visited him
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a couple times.
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Yeah.
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As I became I found out his dad had passed
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away and I tried to get ahold of him. And
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I think he moved, his mom moved, never been able
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to find him on Facebook or anything like that.
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Well, I hope Tyler and Elizabeth are doing well, but
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if anyone knows Tyler from Wenatchee or Elizabeth, who used
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to live in Lookingglass, Oregon, let us know. And we'll
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do a live taping of us reunion. But if I
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saw Elizabeth, I'd get out of my car before you
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would too.
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Yeah. So Judy, Passed away at the age of 80
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in 2024. Oh, okay. So only two years ago.
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Not only a couple years ago, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Had she lived here?
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I don't know.
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The whole time?
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Hmm. So.
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Tucson has oddly made a lot of appearances in Unsolved Mysteries.
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And Tucson, you guys, is not that big of a city.
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I mean, I guess we are now, but it feels
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crazy to me that We've talked about it several times
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on here.
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So, okay.
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Well, that is, that was a good story. But yes,
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the one I thought I was like, Oh, this could
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have definitely been solved by Facebook.
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Yeah.
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I also love that the ex-boyfriend, the boy who dated
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both of these girls, which usually doesn't end well for friendships.
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It's kind of like, I'm surprised. I thought this was
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going in a different direction when she started saying, She
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started holding hands with her best friend's ex-boyfriend.
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Well, she says that Becky wasn't interested with him anymore.
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She was interested in Gordon. And so then they, you know,
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that sounds just like a 13-year-old relationship.
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It sounds like a junior high relationship.
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Okay. I'm bored.
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Next question. All right, well, I'm going to, we're looking
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for a woman named Elizabeth, and I'm going to tell
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you why we're looking for Miss Elizabeth.
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Buckle up, buttercup. Buckle up, guys.
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So, on the afternoon of March 11th, 1992, paramedics are
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dispatched to an emergency taking place at a toy store
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in Redwood City, California. Found out it was a Toys
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R Us. RIP Toys R Us. I know that they're
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kind of back, but they're also not really. Macy's bought
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them out. That's not like Macy's is doing great either.
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I know Macy's is struggling. Have you been into a
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Macy's lately?
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Not for a long time, but the last time I did,
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it wasn't great.
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Yeah. But man, this 92, this is peak Toys R Us.
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Oh yeah. Toys R Us is legit. Yeah.
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Growing up in Myrtle Creek, Oregon is a shocking in
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all of Douglas County. We didn't have a single Toys
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R Us. So getting to like watch the commercials and
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then go to a Toys R Us if we were
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up in the Portland area was like going to Disneyland.
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No, I remember we, my mom wouldn't take us to
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Toys R Us.
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Well, it was also super expensive. Everything was way jacked
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up on the prices.
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But we would go once a year.
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Right before.
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Before Christmas. And my parents would let me wander around.
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And I think just to get ideas for Christmas, but
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they wouldn't buy anything there. Yeah.
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We started doing that tradition here when we moved to
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Tucson and had kids.
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Because there was a Toys R Us here.
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And there was a Toys R Us, but unfortunately that
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has since closed down. So, okay. So inside the Toys
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R Us sprawled on the table of the employee lunchroom
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was a 23-year-old Gilbert Ortz. He is sweating profusely and
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has convulsions.
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What was his last name?
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I have Ortz. O-R-T-I-Z. Is that Ortiz? Ortiz.
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Ortiz.
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The white girl version is orts, but the Spanish pronunciation
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of that is orties. You guys, the best part is
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I'm legitimately like....
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Your grandmother is full Hispanic.
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I know, and a huge amount of my heritage is
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from Spain, and I am terrible with the Spanish language. Also,
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just English in general. I'm dyslexic and reading is not
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always easy for me.
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Your grandmother has Mexican nicknames for you. Like, Hispanic nicknames
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for you. I know.
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And has angel statues of all of her grandchildren. Yes,
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I am aware of my shortcomings in the world.
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Orts. Orts. Orts.
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Okay. Okay. Gilbert Ortiz, as Ben likes me to point
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out to you guys, is sweating profusely. And, you know,
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I wanted to just read over that and not have,
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because the moment I said it, I was like, there's
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a comment coming.
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I just was trying to process what you said. Orts.
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It's like, wait, did I hear what I thought I heard?
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You did. Okay. So this man is not doing well.
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You guys, the fact that I'm just picturing this. What
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the employees at Toys R Us are trying to process.
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This guy's on the table in the lunchroom, sweating and convulsing.
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We'll find out. He's in bad shape.
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Bad, bad shape. Bad, bad, real bad. So he manages
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to tell the medics that he had become ill after
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drinking a high-protein amino acid milkshake commonly used by bodybuilders
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00:27:11.029 --> 00:27:15.259
to help them, quote, bulk up. He said that he
493
00:27:15.299 --> 00:27:19.589
had gotten the shake from a friend. As the medics
494
00:27:19.650 --> 00:27:23.009
try to ask more questions, Gilbert unfortunately starts to slip
495
00:27:23.190 --> 00:27:26.930
in and out of consciousness and not making a lot
496
00:27:26.970 --> 00:27:31.809
of sense. So his wife, who's 23 years old at
497
00:27:31.849 --> 00:27:35.509
the time, her name is Elizabeth, and they're able to
498
00:27:35.549 --> 00:27:39.430
get in contact with her. And so the paramedics are
499
00:27:39.519 --> 00:27:44.720
rushing him to the nearby hospital and The doctors in
500
00:27:44.740 --> 00:27:48.190
the emergency room are baffled by this, like what is happening?
501
00:27:48.210 --> 00:27:55.450
And they brought this plastic like sports cup with them
502
00:27:55.589 --> 00:28:01.900
to the hospital that contained the milkshake. But because they're
503
00:28:02.019 --> 00:28:05.740
in the throngs of a medical emergency, they set it aside.
504
00:28:06.440 --> 00:28:10.480
So around this time, Elizabeth is able to show up
505
00:28:10.519 --> 00:28:15.230
at the hospital and walks in. She's in the emergency room,
506
00:28:15.750 --> 00:28:18.470
and the doctors are asking her questions and hoping that
507
00:28:18.509 --> 00:28:22.970
she can provide some explanation for this sudden onset, very
508
00:28:23.029 --> 00:28:28.140
dangerous medical mystery that they are looking at. And the
509
00:28:28.180 --> 00:28:31.539
doctor asks, have you seen this water bottle before? It's
510
00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:35.200
like an old school plastic water bottle with one of
511
00:28:35.240 --> 00:28:37.829
those big straws. Do you know what I'm talking about?
512
00:28:38.589 --> 00:28:39.990
No, but can you explain that some more?
513
00:28:40.089 --> 00:28:41.630
Well, the straw is like a ripple. So when you
514
00:28:41.670 --> 00:28:43.089
put it in and out of the thing, it goes...
515
00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:46.579
Do you know what I'm talking about?
516
00:28:47.460 --> 00:28:50.380
I need just some more explanation. Could you go into
517
00:28:50.420 --> 00:28:50.839
more detail?
518
00:28:50.859 --> 00:28:52.779
No, I'm not going to. It was just a very
519
00:28:53.339 --> 00:28:57.339
90s water bottle. Back before Hydro Flask and Stanley Cups
520
00:28:57.380 --> 00:28:59.759
and all this stuff, it was just like a very standard,
521
00:29:00.460 --> 00:29:04.829
generic water bottle. But it was like a larger size one.
522
00:29:06.049 --> 00:29:09.170
I don't understand. I don't understand what you're saying.
523
00:29:09.190 --> 00:29:11.410
It had sports things on it. Sports balls on it.
524
00:29:11.569 --> 00:29:13.490
Sports balls on it?
525
00:29:14.390 --> 00:29:17.069
I think so. I think it had the soccer ball, maybe.
526
00:29:17.089 --> 00:29:19.650
It had a soccer ball? Yeah. What about a tennis ball?
527
00:29:20.069 --> 00:29:21.740
Maybe. There could have been one.
528
00:29:21.750 --> 00:29:22.269
Football?
529
00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:23.640
Possibly.
530
00:29:23.660 --> 00:29:26.880
What did the straw look like?
531
00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:32.880
It looked cripply. It had ridges. Okay, I'm not doing
532
00:29:32.900 --> 00:29:35.849
that again. People in their minds know exactly what I'm
533
00:29:35.869 --> 00:29:36.210
talking about.
534
00:29:36.509 --> 00:29:37.289
Could you explain some more?
535
00:29:37.329 --> 00:29:40.269
Because those were also the water bottles that like, once
536
00:29:40.289 --> 00:29:42.380
you got like gunk in them, why would you make
537
00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:45.480
a chocolate milkshake out of this? Because once those ridges
538
00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:47.160
got something in them, guess what?
539
00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:48.960
We still have those straws today.
540
00:29:49.099 --> 00:29:52.339
You are not getting that cleaned ever again.
541
00:29:52.420 --> 00:29:52.640
Yes.
542
00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:54.500
When we go to the fair, like the lemonade stand,
543
00:29:54.559 --> 00:29:58.460
I think comes with that Ripley thing. I throw those
544
00:29:58.519 --> 00:30:07.329
away immediately. Okay. So the doctor is asking Elizabeth if
545
00:30:07.369 --> 00:30:10.869
she's ever even seen the sports bottle before. She says, no,
546
00:30:10.890 --> 00:30:15.210
I've never seen this before. And so the doctors are
547
00:30:15.230 --> 00:30:19.930
starting to suspect that Gilbert may have actually OD'd on
548
00:30:20.150 --> 00:30:26.980
street drugs. However, Elizabeth says he doesn't do drugs. By
549
00:30:26.980 --> 00:30:34.279
10 p.m. that evening, Gilbert has developed pneumonia, his lungs collapse,
550
00:30:35.059 --> 00:30:38.349
and his liver and kidneys begin to fail, which is like.
551
00:30:38.549 --> 00:30:39.740
Doesn't he slip into a coma?
552
00:30:41.430 --> 00:30:44.990
And he is admitted into the cardiac unit. So I
553
00:30:45.029 --> 00:30:48.549
read in a different article that he had a cardiac arrest.
554
00:30:48.609 --> 00:30:53.190
His heart completely stopped and then slipped into a coma.
555
00:30:54.170 --> 00:30:57.740
And for the next several days, his life hangs in
556
00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:04.410
the balance of as doctors worked feverishly to determine what
557
00:31:04.470 --> 00:31:11.240
had caused him to become so ill. So, how was
558
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:15.099
the hospital going to figure out how he got sick?
559
00:31:16.660 --> 00:31:18.200
What would be a good place to start?
560
00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:22.630
I don't understand this, and this irritates me too much.
561
00:31:23.490 --> 00:31:26.150
Would be a good place to start when you were
562
00:31:26.170 --> 00:31:29.089
trying to figure out why someone got sick immediately after
563
00:31:29.250 --> 00:31:30.569
eating or drinking something.
564
00:31:30.589 --> 00:31:34.460
Well, usually when you come up to a patient and
565
00:31:34.500 --> 00:31:37.720
you say, what happened? What's going on? And they tell you,
566
00:31:37.740 --> 00:31:41.619
I got really sick after drinking this thing.
567
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:45.160
That they brought with them to the hospital.
568
00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:48.049
You might want to check that out and say, hey.
569
00:31:48.730 --> 00:31:51.710
Multiple times in the reenactment, they opened it up and
570
00:31:51.930 --> 00:31:55.670
sniffed it. And that's as far as the testing had
571
00:31:55.710 --> 00:32:01.299
gone up until this point. So detectives want to know
572
00:32:01.339 --> 00:32:04.579
where the bottle came from. They wanted to determine if
573
00:32:04.660 --> 00:32:07.299
it was a bad mixture of amino acids.
574
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:10.650
No, no, no, no, no. Uh-uh. Detectives are not brought in.
575
00:32:10.690 --> 00:32:11.730
Okay, fair enough.
576
00:32:11.750 --> 00:32:14.309
Because this is where my frustration is.
577
00:32:14.529 --> 00:32:17.680
As of now, hospital staff is trying to figure out.
578
00:32:17.690 --> 00:32:20.309
The hospital does not contact the police.
579
00:32:21.069 --> 00:32:21.779
Mm-hmm.
580
00:32:22.750 --> 00:32:28.160
How you literally have someone here who says that they
581
00:32:28.220 --> 00:32:30.920
drank something and got sick. The first thing on your
582
00:32:30.940 --> 00:32:35.099
mind is. Poison. This person might've been poisoned. If someone's
583
00:32:35.140 --> 00:32:37.180
been poisoned, do you know what that is called?
584
00:32:37.740 --> 00:32:38.180
A crime.
585
00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:39.559
A crime. Yeah.
586
00:32:40.819 --> 00:32:45.599
However, by that next afternoon, so now more than like
587
00:32:45.779 --> 00:32:51.150
almost 24 hours later, the bottle had mysteriously disappeared.
588
00:32:52.710 --> 00:32:55.559
Because no one's taking care of these things. Because no
589
00:32:55.650 --> 00:32:57.700
one's doing the right procedures.
590
00:32:58.500 --> 00:33:00.720
Well, I will say, they were trying to keep the
591
00:33:00.740 --> 00:33:02.200
guy alive. I think it was in a little bit
592
00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:06.029
of a chaotic situation. You're thinking of it from a
593
00:33:06.069 --> 00:33:08.710
law enforcement standpoint to secure the scene.
594
00:33:09.109 --> 00:33:11.710
But I'm also thinking, if someone comes in and says...
595
00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:14.720
I drank this and I got really sick. The hospital
596
00:33:14.789 --> 00:33:16.130
then should have turned around and said.
597
00:33:16.210 --> 00:33:18.529
Put that in a baggie and let's set this aside
598
00:33:18.549 --> 00:33:18.910
and get this.
599
00:33:18.849 --> 00:33:20.549
To the police. Call the police because we might have
600
00:33:20.609 --> 00:33:22.650
a crime here. We're going to do what we can
601
00:33:22.690 --> 00:33:25.750
on the medical side. Let them deal with the possible crime.
602
00:33:25.769 --> 00:33:27.319
You guys, I'm here to tell you that this is
603
00:33:27.390 --> 00:33:28.480
the first.
604
00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:31.640
Weird- Oh, it gets better.
605
00:33:31.900 --> 00:33:36.839
Thing that takes place in a series of bizarre incidences
606
00:33:36.980 --> 00:33:38.640
that I'm about to tell you.
607
00:33:38.700 --> 00:33:39.720
It gets so good. Mm-hmm.
608
00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:49.670
So 1987, 87, 1987. Good gravy. I'm not allowed to
609
00:33:49.710 --> 00:33:53.910
take three hour naps anymore. Gilbert was serving in the
610
00:33:54.170 --> 00:33:58.660
army when he met Elizabeth. They married three years later
611
00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:03.920
and moved into an apartment in East Palo Alto. Shortly after,
612
00:34:03.940 --> 00:34:07.769
they had a son that they welcomed into the home.
613
00:34:08.030 --> 00:34:12.630
They named him Jonathan. Jonathan. And Gilbert took an entry-level
614
00:34:12.690 --> 00:34:16.050
position at the local Toys R Us in Redwood City.
615
00:34:17.130 --> 00:34:20.429
He and Elizabeth, though, had a bit of a troubled
616
00:34:21.489 --> 00:34:29.210
slash rocky relationship and seemed to frequently fight over money.
617
00:34:30.630 --> 00:34:38.760
Their fights accumulated into a shoving match, I found out.
618
00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:44.559
And after she thought she had hurt Jonathan. So he
619
00:34:44.619 --> 00:34:46.119
wasn't the aggressor.
620
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:47.880
She was.
621
00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:53.000
And when you see them next to each other, and
622
00:34:53.079 --> 00:35:01.320
I'm only saying this to me, but he's Gilbert's a
623
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:02.420
petite man.
624
00:35:04.739 --> 00:35:07.260
He's just a skinny guy. I don't think he's... Well,
625
00:35:07.300 --> 00:35:07.679
we're going to.
626
00:35:07.699 --> 00:35:09.539
That's going to be a key thing here later.
627
00:35:09.579 --> 00:35:10.320
Yes, I'm just saying.
628
00:35:10.500 --> 00:35:11.139
There's a reason.
629
00:35:11.199 --> 00:35:12.460
I just see him as a skinny guy.
630
00:35:12.659 --> 00:35:16.900
I don't tell people this in a way to be like, oh, ha, ha, ha.
631
00:35:16.980 --> 00:35:20.480
I'm not botching him. This becomes a factor in the story.
632
00:35:20.500 --> 00:35:22.500
No, I know what you're saying. I was saying, he's just...
633
00:35:23.500 --> 00:35:24.119
He's a skinny dude?
634
00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:27.019
He's a small... Yeah, he is a... That's what I said.
635
00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:29.320
Coming from a little dude myself.
636
00:35:29.340 --> 00:35:34.050
A little dude. You're not a little dude.
637
00:35:34.309 --> 00:35:36.889
This little... I'm just a petite dude.
638
00:35:36.949 --> 00:35:38.480
You're just a petite boy.
639
00:35:39.389 --> 00:35:39.730
So.
640
00:35:43.570 --> 00:35:44.130
Anyways, it.
641
00:35:45.820 --> 00:35:50.320
Just seems like things are not great. So we're going
642
00:35:50.340 --> 00:35:55.860
to fast forward. March 1992, Gilbert receives promotion. And things
643
00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:58.340
seem pretty good because of this. This is going to
644
00:35:58.380 --> 00:36:01.789
be an income bump up. But it does also mean
645
00:36:01.809 --> 00:36:03.820
that he might be working a little bit more than
646
00:36:03.860 --> 00:36:06.519
he already is. Those people at Toys R Us were
647
00:36:06.619 --> 00:36:11.599
slave drivers. And I am sure the holiday season. Yeah.
648
00:36:11.980 --> 00:36:13.519
Peak Toys R Us.
649
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:15.619
What month was this? When did this happen?
650
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:17.280
Well, he got the thing in March. It was right
651
00:36:17.340 --> 00:36:19.179
after the holiday season. So they were going to give
652
00:36:19.219 --> 00:36:21.719
him some time to get his feet underneath them before
653
00:36:21.739 --> 00:36:22.869
the chaos.
654
00:36:23.349 --> 00:36:24.590
Before Black Friday. Yep.
655
00:36:25.969 --> 00:36:29.780
However... Gilbert would never get to experience Black Friday with
656
00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:32.159
Toys R Us because less than a week later, he's
657
00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:36.659
in the hospital fighting for his life. Gilbert's mother and
658
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:39.699
sister soon joined Elizabeth at the hospital and said while
659
00:36:39.739 --> 00:36:44.119
they were in the waiting room, Elizabeth receives a strange
660
00:36:44.420 --> 00:36:48.739
phone call. She gets really upset when she takes this
661
00:36:48.780 --> 00:36:54.300
phone call. And according to Gilbert's sister, Brenda, which is
662
00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:58.280
spelled B-R-E-N-D-E, H-A. Brenda.
663
00:36:59.340 --> 00:37:00.119
Brenda.
664
00:37:01.829 --> 00:37:04.090
I just, it's a very aggressive way to spell Brenda.
665
00:37:05.090 --> 00:37:07.489
It feels aggressive. And there's nothing wrong with her.
666
00:37:07.610 --> 00:37:10.909
They had extra H's at the name department.
667
00:37:12.469 --> 00:37:14.820
At the naming store, they were just throwing out these
668
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:20.500
extra H's. They had Brenda. So, Elizabeth is.
669
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:22.699
Do you think people are laughing every time I say
670
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:34.239
her name? Brenda. Brenda. Brenda. That's probably my best joke
671
00:37:34.260 --> 00:37:40.840
I've ever come up with. Brenda, we're not making fun
672
00:37:40.940 --> 00:37:41.699
of you.
673
00:37:41.719 --> 00:37:44.539
Brenda, if you are listening to this, you are a
674
00:37:44.619 --> 00:37:47.639
good sister, but that was a good joke. I'm sure
675
00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:49.840
it's not the first time she has heard that before.
676
00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:55.280
So Elizabeth takes this weird phone call in the waiting
677
00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:58.010
room of the hospital. I've got a lot of questions
678
00:37:58.269 --> 00:38:01.369
on that in itself. Like, who knew to call her
679
00:38:01.409 --> 00:38:07.019
there anyways? So Elizabeth gets really nervous after taking this
680
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:09.980
phone call and says that she needs to go home
681
00:38:10.019 --> 00:38:13.800
and check on Jonathan, their son, because she was concerned
682
00:38:13.860 --> 00:38:17.219
about him. She also said she was going to go
683
00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:20.429
over to Gilbert's work and see if she could find
684
00:38:20.489 --> 00:38:24.230
anything related to his illness because she knew the combination
685
00:38:24.309 --> 00:38:28.429
for his locker. However, she did not... A.K.A.
686
00:38:28.449 --> 00:38:29.210
Destroy evidence.
687
00:38:30.010 --> 00:38:32.860
Yeah, also... Speaking of that, can I have the combination
688
00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:34.039
for your locker at work?
689
00:38:34.500 --> 00:38:34.679
Nope.
690
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:39.199
Nope. I thought that was so weird. Who knows their
691
00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:40.840
husband's combo at work?
692
00:38:41.860 --> 00:38:43.719
I don't know.
693
00:38:43.739 --> 00:38:44.840
No, that's just.
694
00:38:44.860 --> 00:38:46.719
You don't want, you don't want to know my locker
695
00:38:46.760 --> 00:38:48.420
at work. No, your whole.
696
00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:51.059
Locker room, I'm sure it's disgusting and smells like.
697
00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:52.500
It's a men's locker room. I know.
698
00:38:52.619 --> 00:38:55.780
Smells like men bodily fluids, which I'm not.
699
00:38:56.079 --> 00:38:58.420
And men's feet because everyone leaves their boots there.
700
00:39:00.019 --> 00:39:02.159
There's just foot fungus everywhere in that place.
701
00:39:02.260 --> 00:39:04.880
I leave my boots on top of my locker.
702
00:39:06.940 --> 00:39:12.119
The air in that locker room is probably thick.
703
00:39:12.619 --> 00:39:14.980
It's just, it's fine. It's normal.
704
00:39:15.179 --> 00:39:19.610
No, it's not normal. It's normal to gross men. You're
705
00:39:19.650 --> 00:39:20.309
all gross.
706
00:39:21.369 --> 00:39:22.050
That's rude.
707
00:39:22.110 --> 00:39:23.190
You are all gross.
708
00:39:23.230 --> 00:39:23.849
That's rude.
709
00:39:23.989 --> 00:39:24.989
And I love you for it.
710
00:39:25.230 --> 00:39:26.869
I take offense.
711
00:39:26.889 --> 00:39:33.059
So, however... she doesn't say anything about the phone call
712
00:39:33.139 --> 00:39:37.699
or why she was concerned about her son, Jonathan. So,
713
00:39:38.179 --> 00:39:43.349
two hours later, Elizabeth comes rushing back into the hospital
714
00:39:43.409 --> 00:39:50.010
waiting room and is hysterical. And she's yelling. He's got Jonathan!
715
00:39:50.929 --> 00:39:52.510
The man's got Jonathan!
716
00:39:53.170 --> 00:39:59.909
All I gotta say, the actress was terrible.
717
00:40:00.230 --> 00:40:01.230
I thought she nailed it.
718
00:40:01.530 --> 00:40:02.389
No, she did terrible.
719
00:40:02.409 --> 00:40:07.989
Oh, I thought she came straight off the Telemundo production
720
00:40:08.030 --> 00:40:12.000
of whatever daytime thing she was doing to do this one.
721
00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:16.360
So she comes in screaming and ranting and raving like
722
00:40:16.420 --> 00:40:20.320
a lunatic, and Brent Ha... Her mother and the ICU
723
00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:24.000
nurses sit Elizabeth down and try to get her to
724
00:40:24.079 --> 00:40:29.300
take a breath. They ask her, what is happening? And
725
00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:33.179
she says that there was a man outside in the
726
00:40:33.219 --> 00:40:37.650
parking lot who was going to hurt Jonathan. Brenda asks
727
00:40:37.829 --> 00:40:42.489
if the man had Jonathan outside with him. Elizabeth said
728
00:40:42.630 --> 00:40:46.210
that the man was going to kidnap Jonathan. None of
729
00:40:46.269 --> 00:40:49.710
this is making sense. It seems like she's just throwing
730
00:40:49.849 --> 00:40:52.289
out word salad to freak people out.
731
00:40:52.550 --> 00:40:53.389
Story gets better.
732
00:40:53.429 --> 00:40:59.099
It gets better though. So obviously everyone's confused by this.
733
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:03.900
They're confuzzled at what is happening because they were under
734
00:41:03.940 --> 00:41:09.730
the impression that Jonathan is safely with another family member.
735
00:41:09.849 --> 00:41:15.559
So Brenda says to Elizabeth, I thought that Elizabeth's mother
736
00:41:15.579 --> 00:41:21.840
had Jonathan. So Brenda goes over to the waiting room
737
00:41:21.949 --> 00:41:27.909
phone and decides to call and confirms that Jonathan is
738
00:41:28.289 --> 00:41:31.349
at the house with her and is perfectly safe. The
739
00:41:31.389 --> 00:41:34.230
child is not in any way, shape, or form in
740
00:41:34.269 --> 00:41:36.849
a parking lot with a man wearing a mask.
741
00:41:37.650 --> 00:41:38.929
Yeah, she says a man's masked.
742
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:42.440
And that there was also another random child involved.
743
00:41:42.889 --> 00:41:44.139
That's the best part of the story.
744
00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:47.940
Yeah. Yeah, we're going to get to that. So.
745
00:41:49.579 --> 00:41:50.900
And do you know what Brenda says?
746
00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:53.239
Well, so Brenda's on the phone.
747
00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:55.920
And she turns to Elizabeth.
748
00:41:55.940 --> 00:41:56.340
Mm-hmm.
749
00:41:56.719 --> 00:42:02.869
And she goes, ha, the boy's still at Grandma's house. Yeah. Ha.
750
00:42:03.170 --> 00:42:05.110
Ha-ha. So.
751
00:42:05.530 --> 00:42:06.550
You didn't appreciate my joke.
752
00:42:06.570 --> 00:42:12.980
Elizabeth blurted out, I did appreciate it, the difference. Disjointed,
753
00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:19.789
frightening story. So she tells a nurse that she, upon
754
00:42:19.869 --> 00:42:25.849
leaving the hospital, is approached by a small boy in
755
00:42:25.889 --> 00:42:30.849
the parking lot who then directed her to a masked
756
00:42:30.909 --> 00:42:35.800
man also in the parking lot. She didn't recognize the man,
757
00:42:36.050 --> 00:42:39.139
but the man told her he knew what happened to
758
00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:42.610
Gilbert and that he had, quote, drank the wrong stuff.
759
00:42:43.809 --> 00:42:46.710
According to Elizabeth, the man then hands her a paper
760
00:42:46.829 --> 00:42:50.349
bag and said that Gilbert had to drink what was
761
00:42:50.409 --> 00:42:53.909
in the bag. Inside of the bag was the bottle
762
00:42:54.429 --> 00:43:02.889
of orthosevin, a liquid insecticide. So she's bringing the drugs
763
00:43:03.170 --> 00:43:11.530
into the hospital. This is when, at this point, the nurse, Who,
764
00:43:11.969 --> 00:43:14.659
in the hierarchy of the hospital, I.
765
00:43:14.670 --> 00:43:16.659
This is the same question I had.
766
00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:21.059
Is that finally the voice of reason, like nurses normally are,
767
00:43:21.380 --> 00:43:25.300
probably overstepped so many people and decides to call the
768
00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:26.360
police directly?
769
00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:29.800
This is the first time the police have been contacted.
770
00:43:30.059 --> 00:43:35.820
This is... Over 24 hours plus since this guy's almost died. Yep.
771
00:43:36.139 --> 00:43:37.039
He's in a coma.
772
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:39.199
Yeah. His heart stopped at one point.
773
00:43:39.300 --> 00:43:42.750
And his last words were to the paramedics, I drank
774
00:43:42.809 --> 00:43:47.050
that stuff and now I'm really sick. Yep. And they
775
00:43:47.070 --> 00:43:47.719
wait 36 hours.
776
00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:47.900
Mm-hmm.
777
00:43:50.750 --> 00:43:53.809
And wait for the craziest story I've ever heard.
778
00:43:53.829 --> 00:43:57.889
But then Elizabeth is yelling at the nurse while she's
779
00:43:57.929 --> 00:44:00.730
trying to contact the police not to bring the cops
780
00:44:00.809 --> 00:44:01.260
into it.
781
00:44:01.269 --> 00:44:02.269
Of course. Yeah.
782
00:44:03.360 --> 00:44:08.099
Claiming that the man threatened to hurt Jonathan if anyone
783
00:44:08.179 --> 00:44:13.340
called the police. The nurse, who is not buying this
784
00:44:13.460 --> 00:44:17.760
BS story, makes two phone calls. One to the National
785
00:44:17.820 --> 00:44:22.400
Poison Control Center. Very smart. and the other to the
786
00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:30.110
Redwood City Police. Five days later, Elizabeth is questioned by
787
00:44:30.170 --> 00:44:35.349
detectives about the mysterious masked man and this small child
788
00:44:35.389 --> 00:44:38.960
that seems to be accompanying a criminal carrying around insecticide.
789
00:44:38.980 --> 00:44:42.760
There's just a kid wandering around the parking lot, luring
790
00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:45.679
this one lady to a car with a masked man.
791
00:44:46.420 --> 00:44:50.579
Who tells her that her husband drank the wrong stuff,
792
00:44:50.739 --> 00:44:52.619
but then also hands her the poison? So this is
793
00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:53.760
a criminal that says.
794
00:44:53.820 --> 00:44:55.949
Hey, I tried to kill your husband, and I'm going
795
00:44:55.969 --> 00:44:58.170
to hurt your son. By the way, here's the stuff
796
00:44:58.190 --> 00:44:58.309
I used.
797
00:44:58.329 --> 00:45:00.889
Was it an accident by saying he drank the wrong stuff?
798
00:45:00.929 --> 00:45:04.590
Here's what I used. Whoopsie-daisy. That was for somebody else
799
00:45:04.690 --> 00:45:06.130
at the Toys R Us? I know.
800
00:45:06.289 --> 00:45:08.809
Everyone's going to be shocked when they find out the
801
00:45:08.849 --> 00:45:09.949
next part of this story.
802
00:45:10.510 --> 00:45:15.099
So... For the first hour of the interview, she's pretty
803
00:45:15.139 --> 00:45:22.550
locked in on this story. And she tells Detective Anderson
804
00:45:22.590 --> 00:45:28.050
that while she thought it was strange, it definitely was
805
00:45:28.690 --> 00:45:33.719
the truth. No further questions, please. So the detectives ask
806
00:45:33.780 --> 00:45:36.360
Elizabeth how the man and the little boy knew that
807
00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:40.780
Gilbert had drank insecticide. She also said she didn't know,
808
00:45:41.219 --> 00:45:43.969
and she had never met the man before. Detective Anderson
809
00:45:44.570 --> 00:45:48.090
then tells her the story doesn't make any sense. And
810
00:45:49.230 --> 00:45:54.449
this is when they decide to, quote, jam her. J-A-M,
811
00:45:54.590 --> 00:45:59.840
like jam that you spread on toast. I've never heard
812
00:45:59.900 --> 00:46:03.960
this term in my life. Had you heard this term,
813
00:46:04.579 --> 00:46:05.239
jamming her?
814
00:46:05.260 --> 00:46:05.320
No.
815
00:46:06.219 --> 00:46:06.960
To jam her up?
816
00:46:07.780 --> 00:46:08.820
Nope.
817
00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:20.360
Okay. For lay people, to jam her is police speak
818
00:46:22.030 --> 00:46:26.909
for telling her certain things that are not necessarily true
819
00:46:26.949 --> 00:46:31.489
to see how she would react to them. So for everyone...
820
00:46:31.989 --> 00:46:33.829
Not in America. I don't know if this is other places.
821
00:46:34.349 --> 00:46:39.429
It is not against the law for police officers to
822
00:46:39.510 --> 00:46:42.909
lie to you when they are trying to get information.
823
00:46:43.010 --> 00:46:46.280
They can play trickery. And I guess the code word
824
00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:49.880
for that is we're going to jam up. So it
825
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:53.699
just makes me think of when they put jam on
826
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:59.139
the watch in Alice in Wonderland. They jammed the watch up.
827
00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:01.980
thinking they would fix the problem. Maybe that's where that
828
00:47:02.059 --> 00:47:02.539
came from.
829
00:47:05.239 --> 00:47:09.059
I did not go there, but that's interesting. You did.
830
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:14.679
But are you surprised at all that that's where? No. Time, time.
831
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:17.659
Who's got the time? Jam, jam, fixed the watch.
832
00:47:18.179 --> 00:47:18.360
Ha.
833
00:47:18.860 --> 00:47:19.059
Ha.
834
00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:20.539
All right.
835
00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:27.349
So in this jamming tactic, They tell her that there
836
00:47:27.389 --> 00:47:31.389
was a witness in the parking lot who actually, in fact,
837
00:47:31.469 --> 00:47:34.989
did not see a random little boy wandering through a
838
00:47:35.809 --> 00:47:40.329
parking lot full of vehicles or a man wearing a mask.
839
00:47:42.010 --> 00:47:46.230
And so at this point, Elizabeth says, fine, you jammed
840
00:47:46.309 --> 00:47:48.929
me up enough. I'm going to tell you the truth
841
00:47:48.989 --> 00:47:53.440
of what really happened. So she technically made up the
842
00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:54.619
story about the man and the boy.
843
00:47:54.659 --> 00:48:02.269
Okay. Here's my question. Not question. My comment. Okay. Elizabeth
844
00:48:02.369 --> 00:48:07.409
left and came back two hours later. Yeah. In two hours?
845
00:48:08.550 --> 00:48:11.650
That's the best lie she could come up with.
846
00:48:12.309 --> 00:48:14.659
This might come as a shock to nobody, but I
847
00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:17.300
don't think that Elizabeth is very smart.
848
00:48:17.980 --> 00:48:21.480
She came up with the most ridiculous story.
849
00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:23.480
100%.
850
00:48:24.349 --> 00:48:27.320
There's a little boy in a parking lot luring this
851
00:48:27.409 --> 00:48:30.760
woman to a masked man in a car? That's the
852
00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:31.539
best you could.
853
00:48:31.460 --> 00:48:33.239
Come up with? It says, sorry, he drank the wrong... Like,
854
00:48:33.260 --> 00:48:36.630
oopsie daisy, I made a mistake. Here's the stuff that I.
855
00:48:36.619 --> 00:48:38.519
But if you tell anyone I'm going to get your son.
856
00:48:38.539 --> 00:48:39.980
But then also if you tell me I'm going to
857
00:48:40.039 --> 00:48:44.679
kidnap your child? What? And then she comes into the
858
00:48:44.699 --> 00:48:47.360
hospital yelling that they actually already have her son.
859
00:48:47.380 --> 00:48:49.820
Yeah. All right, I digress. Keep going.
860
00:48:50.320 --> 00:48:54.929
So she says that the doctors told her... that whatever
861
00:48:55.099 --> 00:48:59.019
Gilbert drank was likely in their house and asked if
862
00:48:59.099 --> 00:49:02.739
she had any insecticides, which is interesting because again, the
863
00:49:04.980 --> 00:49:07.679
hospital at this point did not know what had poisoned
864
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:09.780
him or that he had even been poisoned. They were
865
00:49:09.800 --> 00:49:13.949
still considering this a mystery illness. She said that she
866
00:49:14.010 --> 00:49:17.829
went and searched the house top to bottom looking for
867
00:49:17.949 --> 00:49:21.599
bottles of insecticide and she found one but she made
868
00:49:21.659 --> 00:49:23.840
the story up because she was scared and thought that
869
00:49:24.059 --> 00:49:28.650
Gilbert was probably trying to hurt himself and she thought
870
00:49:28.690 --> 00:49:31.349
that he may have been depressed and wanted to take
871
00:49:31.389 --> 00:49:34.050
his own life and she didn't want him to get
872
00:49:34.110 --> 00:49:38.840
into trouble for that Again, that story makes no sense.
873
00:49:38.860 --> 00:49:41.699
So Detective Anderson asks Elizabeth if she's willing to take
874
00:49:41.760 --> 00:49:46.300
a lie detector test. Elizabeth says, obviously, yes, I would
875
00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:49.559
be happy to take a lie detector test. And I
876
00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:53.659
would really love to accommodate you on this lie detector test.
877
00:49:54.219 --> 00:49:59.340
But unfortunately, I have a job interview right now. And
878
00:50:00.550 --> 00:50:04.809
so I can't stick around. But she does agree to
879
00:50:04.889 --> 00:50:12.429
come back in the afternoon post said job interview and happy.
880
00:50:12.610 --> 00:50:16.090
At that point, easy peasy lemon squeezy. We'll fit that
881
00:50:16.150 --> 00:50:22.110
in to the shock of everyone involved. She never returns
882
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:23.380
to the police station.
883
00:50:23.699 --> 00:50:24.559
What? Yeah.
884
00:50:25.579 --> 00:50:28.719
So the next morning, detective Anderson reaches out to Elizabeth.
885
00:50:28.940 --> 00:50:32.219
She's now shacked up at her mother's house in San Francisco.
886
00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:37.070
There's about 20 miles from Redwood city. This time, she
887
00:50:37.130 --> 00:50:41.510
does actually take some... Like, she refuses to come in,
888
00:50:41.550 --> 00:50:48.719
so she's not pit-patting around anymore. Eleven days later, Gilbert
889
00:50:48.780 --> 00:50:53.599
regains consciousness, and this is when the tides start to turn.
890
00:50:54.280 --> 00:50:58.309
And the police suspicions are finally confirmed.
891
00:50:58.989 --> 00:50:59.130
He.
892
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:07.010
had apparently been poisoned by his own wife. Da-da-da!
893
00:51:07.429 --> 00:51:09.070
At the toy store. Mm-hmm.
894
00:51:09.449 --> 00:51:09.710
With?
895
00:51:10.210 --> 00:51:12.750
With the water bottle. Sports bottle. Mm-hmm.
896
00:51:13.010 --> 00:51:17.610
With the bendy straw. Not a bendy straw. The ripply straw.
897
00:51:18.710 --> 00:51:22.610
So according to Gilbert around noon that day, Elizabeth casually
898
00:51:22.690 --> 00:51:27.010
calls him up at work and tells him, Babe, I'd
899
00:51:27.150 --> 00:51:28.909
love to come down and have lunch with you today.
900
00:51:30.070 --> 00:51:35.889
And she also tells him about this co-worker. This co-worker
901
00:51:35.929 --> 00:51:40.489
has a son who was really bulking up by drinking
902
00:51:40.510 --> 00:51:47.369
amino acid milkshakes. We would call these protein shakes nowadays.
903
00:51:47.389 --> 00:51:50.389
And Gilbert then, who was interviewed on Unsolved Mysteries, tells
904
00:51:50.510 --> 00:51:54.929
us that for a while now, he has been lifting weights.
905
00:51:55.570 --> 00:52:00.170
But unfortunately, he's never able to quote Get big.
906
00:52:01.030 --> 00:52:01.510
End quote.
907
00:52:01.750 --> 00:52:04.190
I did not like the way he said that, but
908
00:52:04.230 --> 00:52:06.030
that is what he said. And since he is the
909
00:52:06.070 --> 00:52:07.170
victim in this story.
910
00:52:07.190 --> 00:52:11.179
Well, and he says, and that's the kind of guys
911
00:52:11.800 --> 00:52:15.360
she liked. Yeah, Ben.
912
00:52:15.500 --> 00:52:20.699
You are so rude. You just took the next line
913
00:52:20.780 --> 00:52:25.570
from my script, which was the kind of guy Elizabeth
914
00:52:26.329 --> 00:52:29.800
was into. And this is- And I said it better
915
00:52:29.820 --> 00:52:32.280
than you did. You did. So suck on my big toe.
916
00:52:32.559 --> 00:52:36.360
You did. I'm just saying. And this is the pressure
917
00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:39.460
us guys have to live with constantly.
918
00:52:39.739 --> 00:52:42.909
What did you call yourself earlier? He's a petite little man.
919
00:52:42.929 --> 00:52:45.429
Yeah, man. I've been trying. My wife is telling me
920
00:52:45.469 --> 00:52:48.750
I need to bulk up. She's making me milkshakes. Speaking
921
00:52:49.010 --> 00:52:52.929
of that- She tells me she's into big guys.
922
00:52:52.949 --> 00:52:56.780
Speaking of that, I have this casual guy friend.
923
00:52:57.690 --> 00:53:00.780
Who's been getting big.
924
00:53:00.980 --> 00:53:05.559
He's a real big boy. He drinks these amino acid milkshakes.
925
00:53:06.400 --> 00:53:08.590
I've made one for you. Here it is. Because if
926
00:53:08.610 --> 00:53:11.769
you could just start sipping on this milkshake while we're recording,
927
00:53:11.809 --> 00:53:17.090
I'd appreciate it. So I just felt so bad because...
928
00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:20.940
It seems like he's excited for his wife to come
929
00:53:20.980 --> 00:53:23.739
have lunch with him and that she's solved all of
930
00:53:23.820 --> 00:53:26.090
his problems and this milkshake is going to figure out
931
00:53:26.130 --> 00:53:31.590
how to get him nice and big. And it just
932
00:53:31.690 --> 00:53:34.030
is hard for me that... And I will tell you guys,
933
00:53:34.989 --> 00:53:37.719
that's why I pointed out, he is a smaller framed
934
00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:40.840
dude and his wife is telling him that she likes
935
00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:45.980
big bulky guys. That is... So devastating. I feel bad
936
00:53:46.059 --> 00:53:51.659
for him in that aspect alone. Oh, this is heartbreaking. Yeah, 100%.
937
00:53:51.659 --> 00:53:56.670
He's provided. He's being a dad. He's trying to work
938
00:53:56.710 --> 00:53:59.630
for his family, and his wife poisons him.
939
00:53:59.949 --> 00:54:03.619
So she shows up to Gilbert's work, and she says
940
00:54:04.199 --> 00:54:07.960
that not only did Gilbert She provided this milkshake for
941
00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:11.570
him to get big and bulky. But then Elizabeth's co-worker
942
00:54:11.909 --> 00:54:15.389
himself mixed up the milkshake. So she didn't mix it
943
00:54:15.489 --> 00:54:17.630
up and gave it to her.
944
00:54:17.650 --> 00:54:19.989
In the reenactment, it looks like a drug deal on
945
00:54:20.030 --> 00:54:20.690
the parking lot.
946
00:54:20.929 --> 00:54:23.050
Well, that's the thing. So she doesn't actually come and
947
00:54:23.090 --> 00:54:25.090
sit down and have lunch with him. No. She just
948
00:54:25.110 --> 00:54:25.949
brings him lunch.
949
00:54:26.389 --> 00:54:27.329
She just brings him the poison.
950
00:54:27.349 --> 00:54:30.349
So I found out she also paired it with lunch
951
00:54:30.489 --> 00:54:35.329
from McDonald's. That was the bag. So a chocolate amino
952
00:54:35.510 --> 00:54:39.210
acid protein shake and a McDonald's lunch.
953
00:54:39.949 --> 00:54:40.670
Vomit.
954
00:54:42.659 --> 00:54:46.500
Can you even imagine? And tells him that he needs
955
00:54:46.579 --> 00:54:50.579
to consume the milkshake quickly before eating the food.
956
00:54:52.340 --> 00:54:53.679
Then it might taste bad at first.
957
00:54:53.780 --> 00:54:54.059
Yeah.
958
00:54:54.099 --> 00:54:55.039
But keep drinking.
959
00:54:55.059 --> 00:54:58.250
Yeah. So the two meet at around 2 p.m. in
960
00:54:58.289 --> 00:55:00.989
the store parking lot. The shake's already mixed up. It's
961
00:55:01.070 --> 00:55:05.619
in a plastic sports bottle. With a Ripley straw. With
962
00:55:05.679 --> 00:55:09.519
a Ripley straw. She says, co-worker says, you should drink
963
00:55:09.619 --> 00:55:13.469
this before you eat anything else because that's where the
964
00:55:13.510 --> 00:55:16.150
amino acids come in and that they would make them
965
00:55:16.349 --> 00:55:19.219
nice and big. She also tells him that it might
966
00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:22.739
taste a little nasty, but that's how it's supposed to taste.
967
00:55:22.900 --> 00:55:25.980
And it's, once again, because of the amino acids. The
968
00:55:26.059 --> 00:55:30.360
word amino acids is said so many times. Gilbert opens
969
00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:30.800
the bottle.
970
00:55:30.860 --> 00:55:34.869
It's like how many times it said diabolical mind in
971
00:55:34.909 --> 00:55:35.630
that one episode.
972
00:55:35.690 --> 00:55:38.289
So Gilbert opens up the bottle when he gets to
973
00:55:38.309 --> 00:55:41.409
the lunchroom to him. It looks like a chocolate milkshake.
974
00:55:41.449 --> 00:55:43.869
When he tried it, he said it burned his throat.
975
00:55:46.469 --> 00:55:48.829
also noticed that it had quite a sour taste to
976
00:55:48.849 --> 00:55:51.849
it but he figured once again that it's just the
977
00:55:51.949 --> 00:55:54.329
good old amino acid.
978
00:55:53.989 --> 00:55:57.719
Here's what i if this wasn't given to him by
979
00:55:57.780 --> 00:56:01.039
his wife he would have stopped drinking.
980
00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:03.559
It right then and there yeah but because his wife
981
00:56:03.619 --> 00:56:06.860
had given his wife and she was pressuring him to
982
00:56:07.059 --> 00:56:07.949
do this.
983
00:56:09.269 --> 00:56:10.630
He goes on and drinks the whole thing i.
984
00:56:10.610 --> 00:56:13.219
Just don't see what Ben, I just don't see why
985
00:56:13.260 --> 00:56:15.820
you can't take amino acids and get big and bulky.
986
00:56:16.860 --> 00:56:18.940
I ask so little of you in this marriage.
987
00:56:19.239 --> 00:56:21.280
No, and I haven't been drinking the drinks you've been
988
00:56:21.320 --> 00:56:24.219
making me. What's going on here? Is that why I'm
989
00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:25.699
still alive?
990
00:56:26.420 --> 00:56:29.199
It's just really rude of you to not be big,
991
00:56:29.239 --> 00:56:31.260
like to the men that I'm into.
992
00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:33.800
To the friends you have on the side?
993
00:56:33.820 --> 00:56:36.940
All my guy friends are just these huge, big men.
994
00:56:37.059 --> 00:56:39.099
And I don't know why you have a problem with
995
00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:42.380
me hanging out with them all the time. Especially when
996
00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:44.280
I've expressed to you that those are the kind of
997
00:56:44.300 --> 00:56:48.190
guys I'm into. For the record, guys, this is 100% sarcastic.
998
00:56:48.210 --> 00:56:49.269
This is all jokes.
999
00:56:49.570 --> 00:56:53.210
I only hang out with tiny little petite men.
1000
00:56:53.530 --> 00:56:54.590
Because I'm big and fat.
1001
00:56:56.409 --> 00:57:01.500
Because it makes Ben feel big and strong. So he
1002
00:57:01.960 --> 00:57:06.559
chugs the whole freaking bottle and then starts to feel
1003
00:57:06.639 --> 00:57:12.289
very hot and sweaty. Throat starts to burn. and begins
1004
00:57:12.349 --> 00:57:16.570
to violently shake he felt like he was getting sick
1005
00:57:17.269 --> 00:57:21.130
obviously he tells us his interview basically at that point
1006
00:57:21.150 --> 00:57:22.829
he kind of blacks out doesn't have a lot of
1007
00:57:22.909 --> 00:57:25.030
memory of what happens the next thing he remembers is
1008
00:57:25.070 --> 00:57:27.610
waking up in the emergency room slipping in and out
1009
00:57:27.630 --> 00:57:30.769
of kind of reality of what's happening you know then
1010
00:57:30.789 --> 00:57:33.989
we find out he slips into a coma yada yada
1011
00:57:34.010 --> 00:57:37.860
yada So the police are obtained a search warrant to
1012
00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:40.460
see if they could trace the poison or the bottle
1013
00:57:40.519 --> 00:57:45.280
to Elizabeth. But when they arrive at the Ortiz's home,
1014
00:57:45.300 --> 00:57:54.019
they make a shocking discovery. Elizabeth, she gone, along with
1015
00:57:54.039 --> 00:57:59.480
the two-year-old son. It's been cleared out. There's nothing left.
1016
00:57:59.699 --> 00:58:03.599
So Gilbert is then informed that Elizabeth gone. And it's
1017
00:58:03.840 --> 00:58:08.000
likely that she's the person who poisoned him. So while
1018
00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:10.360
he said he's obviously hurt that his wife tried to
1019
00:58:10.539 --> 00:58:13.989
kill him, he's really hurt to find out that his
1020
00:58:14.030 --> 00:58:16.929
son is gone. And this even becomes more important later
1021
00:58:16.989 --> 00:58:19.769
because there's going to be some pretty tragic updates for
1022
00:58:19.789 --> 00:58:20.349
you guys.
1023
00:58:20.750 --> 00:58:21.909
Don't tell me that. Yeah.
1024
00:58:22.789 --> 00:58:26.510
And so he says in the interview, she wants to leave, fine.
1025
00:58:26.730 --> 00:58:30.670
But he's just devastated and heartbroken that his son has
1026
00:58:30.710 --> 00:58:34.920
been removed from his life. So it's been nearly a
1027
00:58:34.980 --> 00:58:38.659
year since Gilbert was poisoned and he's not fully recovered.
1028
00:58:38.719 --> 00:58:42.750
The insecticide caused serious damages to his liver, kidney, and
1029
00:58:42.809 --> 00:58:43.610
nervous system.
1030
00:58:43.630 --> 00:58:46.230
And this guy is lucky to be alive. Yeah.
1031
00:58:46.269 --> 00:58:49.929
Initially, he's even unable to walk due to the pain
1032
00:58:49.969 --> 00:58:54.059
and numbness in his feet. He endured months of trying
1033
00:58:54.079 --> 00:58:57.239
to recover from his injuries. At the point of the interview,
1034
00:58:57.400 --> 00:59:00.019
his right foot is still completely numb, which is causing
1035
00:59:00.179 --> 00:59:05.110
difficulty walking. The tips of his fingertips are also super numb.
1036
00:59:05.190 --> 00:59:09.530
And due to those things, like he cannot work. Doctors
1037
00:59:09.670 --> 00:59:13.980
are unfettered. if he will ever to fully recover or
1038
00:59:14.059 --> 00:59:17.039
if the damage to his nerves is permanent the damage
1039
00:59:17.079 --> 00:59:20.300
to his body is also left him unable to hold
1040
00:59:20.340 --> 00:59:24.300
down any sort of employment jonathan the son has not
1041
00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:31.170
been seen since march 17th 1992 Oh my gosh. Excuse
1042
00:59:31.210 --> 00:59:36.280
me for my yawn. That nap obviously didn't do well
1043
00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:40.320
for me. An arrest warrant has been issued for Elizabeth.
1044
00:59:41.179 --> 00:59:45.159
And the charge is attempted murder with a special consideration
1045
00:59:45.219 --> 00:59:48.800
for torture. So that was interesting. First time I've heard that.
1046
00:59:49.650 --> 00:59:51.710
And that is kind of where unsolved.
1047
00:59:51.730 --> 00:59:55.929
That's a terrible way to try to kill someone. Not
1048
00:59:55.949 --> 00:59:58.150
that any ways. It's all terrible.
1049
00:59:59.449 --> 01:00:02.340
For the record, Ben is against murder in general.
1050
01:00:02.599 --> 01:00:03.199
All forms.
1051
01:00:03.340 --> 01:00:04.239
All forms of murder.
1052
01:00:04.420 --> 01:00:04.780
Okay.
1053
01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:08.440
But a torturous murder?
1054
01:00:08.460 --> 01:00:11.539
That is a... I mean, he's very lucky to.
1055
01:00:11.539 --> 01:00:14.619
It's actually a pretty common way. Women like to use poison.
1056
01:00:14.639 --> 01:00:17.280
I don't know why, but it is a very common
1057
01:00:17.510 --> 01:00:22.570
female kind of murder.
1058
01:00:22.590 --> 01:00:25.829
Well, I will let you make me any of my drinks.
1059
01:00:26.269 --> 01:00:26.769
Or food.
1060
01:00:27.860 --> 01:00:30.460
There was a lady that was just convicted of murdering
1061
01:00:30.760 --> 01:00:36.619
her ex-husband's full family, like his family, by serving them
1062
01:00:36.760 --> 01:00:43.800
death cap mushrooms baked into a beef wellington. There you go.
1063
01:00:44.320 --> 01:00:46.019
She harvested them herself.
1064
01:00:46.900 --> 01:00:49.079
Okay, so they're looking for Elizabeth? Elizabeth?
1065
01:00:49.889 --> 01:00:53.909
They're looking for Elizabeth and Jonathan. Jonathan obviously is the child,
1066
01:00:54.010 --> 01:00:55.820
so they want to make sure that he's safe. Yeah,
1067
01:00:55.840 --> 01:00:58.059
he didn't do anything wrong, but I'd like to find
1068
01:00:58.079 --> 01:00:58.480
them both.
1069
01:00:58.500 --> 01:00:59.340
All right.
1070
01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:01.360
And that's where Unsolved Mystery leaves us.
1071
01:01:01.639 --> 01:01:04.980
Update. Give it to us. Okay.
1072
01:01:06.260 --> 01:01:06.880
Captured.
1073
01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:07.440
Yes.
1074
01:01:08.559 --> 01:01:12.019
After thousands of tips came in.
1075
01:01:12.050 --> 01:01:13.949
And I guessed it before I even.
1076
01:01:14.570 --> 01:01:21.530
The sightings of Melisabeth. Elizabeth mostly escaped. Came from Mexico.
1077
01:01:21.550 --> 01:01:23.730
Okay? I knew she ran to Mexico.
1078
01:01:23.750 --> 01:01:26.630
She ran to Mexico. So, because they aren't far from
1079
01:01:26.650 --> 01:01:26.849
the border.
1080
01:01:26.869 --> 01:01:27.530
Because they're in California.
1081
01:01:27.550 --> 01:01:31.659
Yeah, they're in Southern California. Yeah. And March 14th in
1082
01:01:31.699 --> 01:01:33.280
the year of 2000. I do hate that it took
1083
01:01:33.440 --> 01:01:37.239
that long. A lot of things happened with this lady
1084
01:01:37.260 --> 01:01:40.570
around March, because March is my birthday. So, March 14th
1085
01:01:40.610 --> 01:01:45.969
in 2000 is when she's captured, but he is poisoned
1086
01:01:46.250 --> 01:01:46.670
in March.
1087
01:01:46.710 --> 01:01:46.969
Right?
1088
01:01:47.949 --> 01:01:51.269
Right. Of like 1992.
1089
01:01:51.269 --> 01:01:52.690
So eight years.
1090
01:01:53.630 --> 01:01:54.730
Eight years later.
1091
01:01:54.750 --> 01:01:57.400
So this boy is now 10 years old.
1092
01:01:57.400 --> 01:02:01.400
10 years old. So they get the call that finally,
1093
01:02:01.559 --> 01:02:08.139
thanks to our other favorite show, America's Most Wanted, Elizabeth
1094
01:02:08.469 --> 01:02:15.670
is found and arrested by the FBI near Guadalajara, Mexico.
1095
01:02:16.449 --> 01:02:20.280
So right across the border. She was using the name Rosa,
1096
01:02:20.300 --> 01:02:23.050
and I'm not even going to try to tell you
1097
01:02:23.090 --> 01:02:24.630
what the last name was because I.
1098
01:02:26.849 --> 01:02:27.070
Can't.
1099
01:02:27.590 --> 01:02:34.650
My Spanish is terrible. So she's arrested, but she's by
1100
01:02:34.710 --> 01:02:38.250
herself in her home when she is arrested. So the
1101
01:02:38.409 --> 01:02:43.820
FBI continues the search for the son, Jonathan. Um, and
1102
01:02:43.860 --> 01:02:47.079
he's never, he's not found at the time at all. Nowhere.
1103
01:02:47.119 --> 01:02:52.110
They searched the city, everything, nowhere to be found. So
1104
01:02:52.739 --> 01:02:57.030
she is brought back to Rosewood city for trial. Uh,
1105
01:02:57.349 --> 01:03:00.110
but again, no one has eyes on the kid, which
1106
01:03:00.170 --> 01:03:06.250
is starting to make people nervous. So while she is
1107
01:03:06.289 --> 01:03:13.809
awaiting trial, Detective Anderson has an age progressed composite created
1108
01:03:14.369 --> 01:03:18.530
and posted at the jail where she's being held. Smart.
1109
01:03:19.050 --> 01:03:22.289
I thought this was a really good idea. She also
1110
01:03:22.369 --> 01:03:25.190
warned the guards to be on the lookout for visitors
1111
01:03:25.289 --> 01:03:28.409
and to alert them if a child came in to visit.
1112
01:03:28.429 --> 01:03:30.489
That is smart. Yep.
1113
01:03:31.110 --> 01:03:37.639
So corrections officer Laura gives her a phone call and
1114
01:03:37.739 --> 01:03:42.250
tells her, that a young boy had come in to
1115
01:03:42.289 --> 01:03:46.630
the prison and was a, quote, dead ringer for the composite.
1116
01:03:48.340 --> 01:03:53.780
Turns out it was Jonathan. So Jonathan had been brought
1117
01:03:53.820 --> 01:03:58.000
into the jail by his maternal grandmother and other relatives
1118
01:03:59.119 --> 01:04:02.889
of Elizabeth, who had been living in Mexico at the
1119
01:04:02.949 --> 01:04:05.989
time that he had been missing and recently had traveled
1120
01:04:06.170 --> 01:04:10.000
north to California to and was staying with his grandmother
1121
01:04:10.079 --> 01:04:11.800
who lived in Alameda.
1122
01:04:11.820 --> 01:04:17.340
They didn't check the family? Yeah. I don't know.
1123
01:04:18.260 --> 01:04:20.849
I don't know, Ben. I don't know. I think this
1124
01:04:20.869 --> 01:04:23.550
was complicated because it is international.
1125
01:04:23.570 --> 01:04:27.769
Because you have two families in two different countries. I
1126
01:04:28.230 --> 01:04:28.570
get it.
1127
01:04:28.630 --> 01:04:32.030
Okay. So the following morning, the Gilbert family is finally
1128
01:04:32.110 --> 01:04:34.559
able to see Jonathan, the son that he had never,
1129
01:04:34.579 --> 01:04:37.219
or not, yeah, Gilbert and his family are able to
1130
01:04:37.260 --> 01:04:41.030
find him. get reunited with him. Eight years had passed.
1131
01:04:41.070 --> 01:04:44.559
He'd been two. So he's now 10 years old. Jonathan
1132
01:04:44.619 --> 01:04:46.739
does come up and give his dad a hug. This
1133
01:04:46.820 --> 01:04:49.260
is not seen on Unsolved Mysteries, but I believe that
1134
01:04:49.320 --> 01:04:51.840
it might have been recorded at one point, but I'm
1135
01:04:51.860 --> 01:04:53.769
going to tell you why I think it has been removed.
1136
01:04:54.869 --> 01:04:59.650
So we'll get to it. So Jonathan runs up, gives
1137
01:04:59.690 --> 01:05:02.719
him a hug. Gilbert is unable to explain his feelings
1138
01:05:02.800 --> 01:05:05.800
as there are too many emotions to go on. Fortunately,
1139
01:05:05.860 --> 01:05:09.579
Jonathan recognizes him immediately because he still had family photos
1140
01:05:09.679 --> 01:05:12.920
of all three of them together. Gilbert and Jonathan are
1141
01:05:13.199 --> 01:05:15.519
hopeful as they begin the long process of healing and
1142
01:05:15.559 --> 01:05:18.550
getting to know one another as father and son. Gilbert
1143
01:05:18.570 --> 01:05:33.889
said that the Elizabeth goes on trial. Um, Gilbert testifies
1144
01:05:33.949 --> 01:05:37.210
kind of sharing everything that he had. They were able
1145
01:05:37.349 --> 01:05:40.429
to finally find out and get her to admit the
1146
01:05:40.469 --> 01:05:43.510
planning of the poisoning, the purchase of the incesticide, giving
1147
01:05:43.530 --> 01:05:46.670
him the milkshake, lying to the police and doctors. She
1148
01:05:46.750 --> 01:05:49.510
claims that this is all in self-defense because she feared
1149
01:05:49.570 --> 01:05:53.550
for imminent danger. due to his physical abuse, and that
1150
01:05:53.590 --> 01:05:55.949
he had beat her, sexually assaulted her, and threatened to
1151
01:05:56.010 --> 01:05:59.570
kill her on multiple occasions when she asked for divorces.
1152
01:06:02.110 --> 01:06:05.469
She also claimed that she never intended to make him die,
1153
01:06:05.750 --> 01:06:09.170
like she just wanted to make him sick enough that
1154
01:06:09.230 --> 01:06:11.329
she could safely leave, yada, yada, yada.
1155
01:06:11.349 --> 01:06:11.489
So....
1156
01:06:15.820 --> 01:06:20.260
She is convicted of attempted murder and child abduction and
1157
01:06:20.280 --> 01:06:23.820
is sentenced to 25 years to life in prison. She
1158
01:06:23.909 --> 01:06:26.449
is given an extra six years for the child abduction
1159
01:06:26.630 --> 01:06:31.889
and inflicting bodily harm. And in 2004, she appealed her conviction. However,
1160
01:06:31.909 --> 01:06:35.329
it is upheld. She's denied parole in 2010, 2014, and
1161
01:06:35.349 --> 01:06:44.679
then denied in another hearing in And her next hearing
1162
01:06:44.719 --> 01:06:50.039
was pushed forward to 2017. She has since been released.
1163
01:06:50.139 --> 01:06:56.300
I couldn't really find a lot after that. So she
1164
01:06:56.500 --> 01:06:59.449
didn't do 25 years. Here's the plot twist for you.
1165
01:06:59.460 --> 01:07:00.239
Plus the six years.
1166
01:07:00.420 --> 01:07:05.070
Plus the six, no. Here's the plot twist for you.
1167
01:07:06.489 --> 01:07:11.710
January 2011, Jonathan, then 20 years old, is arrested for
1168
01:07:11.809 --> 01:07:16.210
attacking his father. He was charged with two counts of
1169
01:07:16.590 --> 01:07:20.389
assault with a deadly weapon and one count of inflicting
1170
01:07:20.510 --> 01:07:25.030
great bodily harm. The attacks occurred in June and October
1171
01:07:25.050 --> 01:07:30.519
of 2010. During the first one, he actually stabbed Gilbert
1172
01:07:30.599 --> 01:07:31.400
in the chest.
1173
01:07:33.679 --> 01:07:37.860
Dude, this dad was almost killed by his wife. And
1174
01:07:37.940 --> 01:07:40.019
now he's almost killed by his son?
1175
01:07:40.579 --> 01:07:44.039
Yep, while stabbing his father in the chest, he screamed
1176
01:07:44.119 --> 01:07:46.960
at him about what he had done to his mother.
1177
01:07:48.019 --> 01:07:51.670
He was angry and said that his mom didn't actually
1178
01:07:51.829 --> 01:07:52.829
try to kill him.
1179
01:07:52.849 --> 01:07:55.969
I mean, I feel bad for both of them, because
1180
01:07:55.989 --> 01:07:56.630
this kid.
1181
01:07:57.690 --> 01:08:00.730
The son then actually took Gilbert to the hospital, where
1182
01:08:01.250 --> 01:08:04.190
Gilbert said that he had been attacked during a robbery.
1183
01:08:04.829 --> 01:08:09.980
During the second one, he beat Gilbert... And again, he
1184
01:08:10.079 --> 01:08:12.969
tells people that it was due to a robbery.
1185
01:08:12.989 --> 01:08:14.489
He keeps trying to protect his son.
1186
01:08:16.029 --> 01:08:20.520
However, after that, a family member called the same, Sergeant Anderson,
1187
01:08:20.640 --> 01:08:24.420
tells her that Jonathan was responsible for both of the attacks.
1188
01:08:24.960 --> 01:08:28.779
So he's brought in. Gilbert confirms that Jonathan was responsible.
1189
01:08:29.600 --> 01:08:32.159
At the time of the attacks, Jonathan was living with
1190
01:08:32.260 --> 01:08:35.359
Gilbert and other family members. After his arrest, he claimed
1191
01:08:35.399 --> 01:08:38.720
the attacks were in self-defense. His attorney claimed that it
1192
01:08:38.800 --> 01:08:42.340
was relative to his problems involved from him trying to
1193
01:08:42.399 --> 01:08:46.800
adjust of living with Elizabeth and then moving over and
1194
01:08:46.840 --> 01:08:50.779
living with Gilbert. In September 2011, Jonathan entered a plea
1195
01:08:50.819 --> 01:08:54.840
of no contest to felony assault with inflicting bodily injury.
1196
01:08:54.859 --> 01:08:57.989
He was sentenced to a year in jail. And then
1197
01:08:58.050 --> 01:08:59.930
you received a five-year suspension.
1198
01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:01.140
Sentence.
1199
01:09:01.279 --> 01:09:05.260
In August of 2012, he was arrested and charged along
1200
01:09:05.300 --> 01:09:10.239
with two other men in a July 2012 attack on
1201
01:09:10.279 --> 01:09:15.470
a rival gang member. So Jonathan is also a known
1202
01:09:16.029 --> 01:09:21.670
gang person. In 2013, Jonathan pled guilty of no contest
1203
01:09:21.890 --> 01:09:24.789
to a charge of felony assault for the 2012 attack.
1204
01:09:25.229 --> 01:09:28.109
He was sentenced to four years of prison along with
1205
01:09:28.170 --> 01:09:34.470
a concurrent five-year sentence for the 2010 charges. It appears,
1206
01:09:34.710 --> 01:09:38.229
and I couldn't exactly find for what.
1207
01:09:40.789 --> 01:09:46.020
But the Jonathan Ortiz is currently an inmate at the
1208
01:09:46.119 --> 01:09:52.600
Desert State High Prison located in California. And it appears
1209
01:09:52.619 --> 01:09:58.369
that as of today, he is 40 years old. He
1210
01:09:59.189 --> 01:10:04.010
was this for whatever this was. He was admitted to
1211
01:10:04.090 --> 01:10:11.029
prison in July 24th, 2018. And is currently at fire
1212
01:10:11.130 --> 01:10:17.890
camp on location in San Diego, serving under the California Incarcerated.
1213
01:10:18.470 --> 01:10:24.149
Program. So. He can't be 40.
1214
01:10:24.149 --> 01:10:25.779
He's got to be 35.
1215
01:10:25.779 --> 01:10:26.399
35. 36.
1216
01:10:26.399 --> 01:10:27.600
Something like that. Yeah.
1217
01:10:29.420 --> 01:10:30.239
That's too bad.
1218
01:10:31.239 --> 01:10:36.729
Yeah. I don't know. But and I was like, Jonathan Ortiz,
1219
01:10:37.270 --> 01:10:39.409
it could be a different bread. It seems like all
1220
01:10:39.449 --> 01:10:42.810
the same area close around about that area. He has
1221
01:10:42.829 --> 01:10:47.909
an extensive criminal record. He's a known gang member. And
1222
01:10:48.170 --> 01:10:53.789
doesn't seem like. So, yeah, this man was attempted murder
1223
01:10:53.810 --> 01:10:58.630
by his wife and then. Basically attempted murder, almost.
1224
01:10:59.939 --> 01:11:03.119
He stabbed his dad in the chest. That's attempted murder. Yeah.
1225
01:11:04.899 --> 01:11:08.460
Because he believes to this day that his mother didn't
1226
01:11:08.619 --> 01:11:11.069
do what his father accuses her of.
1227
01:11:11.930 --> 01:11:17.090
Well, she's out. Maybe things will get better. I don't know. Yeah.
1228
01:11:17.130 --> 01:11:18.170
Too bad. I don't know.
1229
01:11:18.250 --> 01:11:23.909
I couldn't find anything else on Gilbert. So I hope
1230
01:11:23.979 --> 01:11:30.699
he is doing well wherever he is. And I hope
1231
01:11:31.880 --> 01:11:33.800
Elizabeth is having a miserable life.
1232
01:11:35.270 --> 01:11:36.149
Not a good person.
1233
01:11:36.229 --> 01:11:38.529
Knowing that she always gets mold stuck in all of
1234
01:11:38.590 --> 01:11:41.130
her straws, in all of her water bottles.
1235
01:11:42.970 --> 01:11:46.510
Yeah. I hope she never dates a bulky guy again.
1236
01:11:46.770 --> 01:11:49.060
I hope every bulky man goes, ew, gross.
1237
01:11:49.899 --> 01:11:52.239
Ew. Only the really skinny guys.
1238
01:11:53.039 --> 01:11:59.260
Only skinny guys. Oh, yeah. So there you go.
1239
01:11:59.640 --> 01:11:59.890
Ha! Ha!
1240
01:12:01.130 --> 01:12:02.590
Did that answer any of your questions? That was a
1241
01:12:03.010 --> 01:12:04.170
wild story, you guys.
1242
01:12:04.189 --> 01:12:06.340
That was a wild update. That was a good update.
1243
01:12:06.539 --> 01:12:08.260
Good job. Yeah. I thought you.
1244
01:12:08.199 --> 01:12:11.079
Would appreciate that. All right.
1245
01:12:11.100 --> 01:12:13.920
Okay. That was a wild story. It just, when I
1246
01:12:13.920 --> 01:12:15.600
was watching, I was like, you gotta be kidding me.
1247
01:12:15.890 --> 01:12:17.369
It just kept getting crazier and crazier.
1248
01:12:17.390 --> 01:12:18.989
I mean, you knew it was the wife from the
1249
01:12:19.029 --> 01:12:21.529
very beginning. Yeah. But when she came with that story
1250
01:12:21.550 --> 01:12:24.289
about a kid and a masked man in a car,
1251
01:12:24.510 --> 01:12:26.270
and then he was like, hey, I put, you know.
1252
01:12:26.390 --> 01:12:29.149
And then she takes off to Mexico, kidnaps their child.
1253
01:12:29.250 --> 01:12:30.560
I know. And suddenly it was like, she's going to
1254
01:12:30.569 --> 01:12:33.220
run and go to Mexico. Yeah. Because that's what you
1255
01:12:33.239 --> 01:12:35.220
do when you're in California. You're like, oh, I got
1256
01:12:35.260 --> 01:12:36.039
to get out of here.
1257
01:12:36.060 --> 01:12:37.420
You got family across the border.
1258
01:12:37.439 --> 01:12:38.859
Bye. See ya.
1259
01:12:39.020 --> 01:12:39.119
Yeah.
1260
01:12:39.159 --> 01:12:40.140
All right. Okay.
1261
01:12:40.359 --> 01:12:41.800
What do you got for us? All right.
1262
01:12:41.840 --> 01:12:44.119
I got the story of Gordon Collins. This is a
1263
01:12:44.119 --> 01:12:49.859
sad story too. All right. April 19th, 1991. Gordon, he's
1264
01:12:49.859 --> 01:12:55.600
34 years old. He's vacationing with his girlfriend, Anastasia Seals.
1265
01:12:55.619 --> 01:12:56.510
He's a young buck.
1266
01:12:57.319 --> 01:13:01.890
He's a young buck. You know, I was watching Field
1267
01:13:01.970 --> 01:13:08.050
of Dreams the other day. And Kevin Costner, who's playing
1268
01:13:08.090 --> 01:13:11.229
the main character, wakes up. He gets this dream. He's
1269
01:13:11.250 --> 01:13:15.199
got to build this field. And he starts talking, I'm
1270
01:13:15.199 --> 01:13:18.739
36 years old. He's talking like he's old and hasn't
1271
01:13:18.800 --> 01:13:22.369
done anything in his life. I'm like, what? 36? It
1272
01:13:24.010 --> 01:13:25.149
made me really sad.
1273
01:13:25.569 --> 01:13:29.569
Yeah. 36, you have plenty of life to live. You
1274
01:13:29.609 --> 01:13:31.050
should not be so bleak about.
1275
01:13:31.130 --> 01:13:31.529
Yeah.
1276
01:13:31.729 --> 01:13:34.220
You shouldn't be having the midlife crisis that he has
1277
01:13:34.399 --> 01:13:36.880
in that movie at 36 years old.
1278
01:13:36.899 --> 01:13:40.380
No. I'm having a midlife crisis about my hairline, but
1279
01:13:40.579 --> 01:13:43.949
that's another story. For a different day. All right. April 19th.
1280
01:13:43.970 --> 01:13:46.590
If there's any sponsors out there that want to sponsor
1281
01:13:46.630 --> 01:13:49.789
the podcast, if hers is listening ever, this is a
1282
01:13:49.829 --> 01:13:50.510
great time for her.
1283
01:13:50.550 --> 01:13:52.609
I'm having problems with my hairline and my wife tells
1284
01:13:52.649 --> 01:13:57.449
me I need to bulk up. She likes big guys.
1285
01:13:57.470 --> 01:14:00.109
With strong, firm hair.
1286
01:14:01.109 --> 01:14:05.760
She keeps trying to feed me amino acid milkshakes with
1287
01:14:07.220 --> 01:14:07.859
zippy straws.
1288
01:14:07.899 --> 01:14:08.699
Zippy straws.
1289
01:14:09.020 --> 01:14:13.739
All right. Let's get back to the serious stuff. Gordon Collins,
1290
01:14:13.760 --> 01:14:17.279
he's vacationing with his girlfriend, Anastasia Seals, and another couple,
1291
01:14:17.380 --> 01:14:23.020
Wayne Schwartz and his wife, Arlene Burlington. They are vacationing
1292
01:14:23.039 --> 01:14:27.199
down in like Baja, California in Mexico. We're back in Mexico.
1293
01:14:28.079 --> 01:14:33.359
And they are heading out to go deep sea fishing
1294
01:14:34.100 --> 01:14:39.140
midway down the Baja Peninsula. Okay. Wayne has been there
1295
01:14:39.180 --> 01:14:41.590
many of times. He's pretty familiar with the area. He
1296
01:14:41.619 --> 01:14:45.560
knows what he's doing. They're heading out. Sounds like a
1297
01:14:45.699 --> 01:14:54.260
grand old time. They secure a boat from the hotel
1298
01:14:54.300 --> 01:14:57.340
they're in. I've never been to Mexico. I didn't realize
1299
01:14:57.399 --> 01:15:00.000
hotels had boats that you could take.
1300
01:15:00.720 --> 01:15:04.439
Dude, in Mexico, so many more things are different than
1301
01:15:04.510 --> 01:15:05.789
American vacations.
1302
01:15:05.909 --> 01:15:06.329
It's wild.
1303
01:15:06.369 --> 01:15:09.270
You're going to have a great time in Mexico.
1304
01:15:09.850 --> 01:15:14.039
Yeah. Grand old time. All right. As they're leaving... There's
1305
01:15:14.079 --> 01:15:17.000
a local fisherman, and he tries to stop. He's like, hey,
1306
01:15:17.680 --> 01:15:22.939
don't go out there. There is a storm brewing. You
1307
01:15:22.960 --> 01:15:24.399
don't go out there. Dangerous.
1308
01:15:24.420 --> 01:15:26.840
Excuse me. He said it all in Espanol, so I'm
1309
01:15:26.859 --> 01:15:28.779
going to need you to say it in Spanish, please.
1310
01:15:29.020 --> 01:15:30.579
No. He says it in English.
1311
01:15:31.100 --> 01:15:34.500
No, he doesn't. The reenactment, he's yelling at them in Spanish.
1312
01:15:34.560 --> 01:15:36.060
No, then he says stuff in English.
1313
01:15:36.100 --> 01:15:38.279
He says, el niño, el niño, which I think means storm,
1314
01:15:38.319 --> 01:15:38.720
doesn't it?
1315
01:15:38.720 --> 01:15:40.899
I don't know, Sierra. What does it mean?
1316
01:15:40.930 --> 01:15:41.239
I don't know.
1317
01:15:43.760 --> 01:15:45.020
Orts? Orts?
1318
01:15:45.729 --> 01:15:48.010
El Nino Orts?
1319
01:15:49.850 --> 01:15:53.670
So they don't listen. They head out, never to return.
1320
01:15:55.069 --> 01:16:00.899
Several hours later, a fierce storm does hit. The next day,
1321
01:16:00.920 --> 01:16:06.279
a hotel employee goes out looking for them, probably looking
1322
01:16:06.350 --> 01:16:06.989
for their boat.
1323
01:16:07.310 --> 01:16:09.630
I'm going to guess it was more concerning about the boat.
1324
01:16:09.689 --> 01:16:09.930
Yes.
1325
01:16:09.989 --> 01:16:10.189
Yeah.
1326
01:16:10.470 --> 01:16:10.829
I'm sure.
1327
01:16:10.869 --> 01:16:14.399
Again, Mexico is a wild place where we send employees
1328
01:16:14.489 --> 01:16:16.600
out to look for things that are missing.
1329
01:16:16.619 --> 01:16:19.800
And I tell you this, this is what Robert Stack
1330
01:16:19.840 --> 01:16:27.340
tells us. 28 miles northeast. Dude, how are this employee-
1331
01:16:27.340 --> 01:16:27.819
28 miles.
1332
01:16:27.880 --> 01:16:28.180
I know.
1333
01:16:28.500 --> 01:16:29.039
I don't know.
1334
01:16:29.060 --> 01:16:31.420
You guys, 28 miles on the ocean is a lot
1335
01:16:31.460 --> 01:16:32.020
of miles.
1336
01:16:32.100 --> 01:16:34.180
Which is making me like, did they have a GPS tracker?
1337
01:16:34.199 --> 01:16:35.350
I know, because how- But it's early 90s.
1338
01:16:35.380 --> 01:16:38.600
How in the heck did that employee find that boat?
1339
01:16:38.640 --> 01:16:40.390
I don't know. Because- I don't know.
1340
01:16:41.069 --> 01:16:45.710
Lesser miles have been searched by major searching companies or
1341
01:16:45.750 --> 01:16:49.310
parties by like military and have never been found.
1342
01:16:50.149 --> 01:16:50.270
I know.
1343
01:16:50.310 --> 01:16:53.170
And much bigger things have gotten missing in the ocean.
1344
01:16:53.250 --> 01:16:56.970
Because 28 miles, if you were off by like 10 degrees. Yep.
1345
01:16:57.989 --> 01:16:59.770
You're going a different 28 miles.
1346
01:17:00.310 --> 01:17:03.069
A hundred percent. And you can't see anything. And we're
1347
01:17:03.090 --> 01:17:05.399
going to find out the boat is upside down in
1348
01:17:05.439 --> 01:17:07.520
the water. You guys, it's not visible.
1349
01:17:08.100 --> 01:17:11.640
He goes out, he finds the boat and two bodies.
1350
01:17:12.300 --> 01:17:16.699
The boat is capsized. It's a mess. It's a tragedy.
1351
01:17:17.399 --> 01:17:24.029
The bodies of Anastasia. So Gordon's girlfriend and Wayne, his
1352
01:17:24.149 --> 01:17:31.109
friend are found. but no sign of Gordon and Wayne's wife, Arlene,
1353
01:17:31.720 --> 01:17:39.420
are found. So searches start. We get the main talking
1354
01:17:39.460 --> 01:17:45.670
heads in this is Gordon's parents. John, this is dad.
1355
01:17:45.729 --> 01:17:48.470
He says, listen, he talked to the guy that fished
1356
01:17:48.489 --> 01:17:50.829
the bodies out of the water and all the belongings,
1357
01:17:51.069 --> 01:17:56.739
everything was found within a one mile radius. So he thinks,
1358
01:17:57.619 --> 01:18:02.279
where are the other bodies? Where's the other life jackets?
1359
01:18:02.439 --> 01:18:06.800
All that. That all should have been found too. So
1360
01:18:06.859 --> 01:18:10.420
for three days, the Coast Guard does a search of
1361
01:18:10.420 --> 01:18:14.619
250 miles of the Sea of Cortez. I wrote that
1362
01:18:14.659 --> 01:18:17.979
down because that kind of sounds like Pirates of the Caribbean.
1363
01:18:18.680 --> 01:18:20.640
I have been to the Sea of Cortez and I
1364
01:18:20.680 --> 01:18:23.010
have swam in the Sea of Cortez.
1365
01:18:23.390 --> 01:18:27.539
Have you now? Yep. Were you closed when you.
1366
01:18:27.859 --> 01:18:29.739
Yes, I was closed. I was with our children.
1367
01:18:32.060 --> 01:18:32.220
What?
1368
01:18:32.739 --> 01:18:35.140
Yeah, you were not invited. This is when I went
1369
01:18:35.180 --> 01:18:36.159
with the big bulky man.
1370
01:18:36.199 --> 01:18:37.560
I was going to say, clearly.
1371
01:18:37.590 --> 01:18:38.590
The strong hairline.
1372
01:18:38.609 --> 01:18:39.869
You didn't bring the skinny guy.
1373
01:18:39.930 --> 01:18:40.689
It was just my friend.
1374
01:18:40.710 --> 01:18:43.609
A guy you were into.
1375
01:18:43.670 --> 01:18:44.970
Yeah. No.
1376
01:18:45.409 --> 01:18:46.270
A friend of a friend.
1377
01:18:46.310 --> 01:18:48.109
Friend of a friend who just looks like the guys
1378
01:18:48.149 --> 01:18:49.090
I'm typically into.
1379
01:18:49.569 --> 01:18:49.649
No.
1380
01:18:52.909 --> 01:18:57.880
The Sea of Cortez Is Rocky Point Okay So I
1381
01:18:57.939 --> 01:18:59.939
went to Rocky Point with the kids and you were
1382
01:18:59.979 --> 01:19:00.479
not invited.
1383
01:19:00.560 --> 01:19:02.520
I just want to hear that. I think of Pirates
1384
01:19:02.560 --> 01:19:03.010
of the Caribbean.
1385
01:19:03.090 --> 01:19:03.310
I agree.
1386
01:19:03.319 --> 01:19:04.510
I love Pirates of the Caribbean.
1387
01:19:04.550 --> 01:19:05.810
And if you ever want to go to the Sea
1388
01:19:05.850 --> 01:19:08.149
of Cortez, we can because it was a great place
1389
01:19:08.210 --> 01:19:09.510
to go swimming.
1390
01:19:09.550 --> 01:19:13.029
Was it called the Treasure of Cortez in the Pirates movie?
1391
01:19:13.869 --> 01:19:16.250
Cortez, I think, is somewhere in there, but I don't think.
1392
01:19:16.270 --> 01:19:17.409
All right.
1393
01:19:17.529 --> 01:19:19.460
You continue your story. I will look up.
1394
01:19:19.720 --> 01:19:23.579
And they search along the Baja shoreline. Unfortunately, they don't
1395
01:19:23.640 --> 01:19:27.350
find anything else. So they tell us that the American
1396
01:19:27.390 --> 01:19:30.430
consulate down there does have the parents sign a death certificate.
1397
01:19:30.489 --> 01:19:36.609
They're like, listen, it appears that everyone died. Tragedy. But
1398
01:19:37.569 --> 01:19:40.489
not too long after, there are reports making their way
1399
01:19:40.609 --> 01:19:42.729
back to Gordon's parents.
1400
01:19:42.930 --> 01:19:46.149
All right, Ben, you are right. The treasure of Cortez,
1401
01:19:46.260 --> 01:19:50.220
also known as the cursed Aztec gold. As far as
1402
01:19:50.260 --> 01:19:53.319
the Caribbean, the curse of the black pearl is the
1403
01:19:53.380 --> 01:19:54.819
treasure of Cortez.
1404
01:19:55.779 --> 01:19:56.260
There you go.
1405
01:19:56.939 --> 01:20:03.010
Consists of 882 identical gold pieces, also known as doubloons.
1406
01:20:05.239 --> 01:20:07.850
I love the first Pirates of the Caribbean movie.
1407
01:20:08.270 --> 01:20:09.810
The rest of them don't make any sense.
1408
01:20:09.869 --> 01:20:11.930
The rest of them are fine, but the first one
1409
01:20:12.130 --> 01:20:13.189
is amazing.
1410
01:20:13.210 --> 01:20:15.729
I know, we have our son named after one of
1411
01:20:15.750 --> 01:20:16.390
the characters.
1412
01:20:16.449 --> 01:20:18.810
We didn't name him after the character.
1413
01:20:18.970 --> 01:20:20.289
Unintentionally, yeah.
1414
01:20:20.810 --> 01:20:24.689
But it has gotten me the nickname of Bootstrap.
1415
01:20:26.159 --> 01:20:26.880
All right. Sorry.
1416
01:20:27.020 --> 01:20:27.199
Yep.
1417
01:20:27.220 --> 01:20:31.100
But you were right. Good job. All right. Oh, can
1418
01:20:31.119 --> 01:20:33.960
we just acknowledge real quick that it's our two year anniversary?
1419
01:20:34.119 --> 01:20:35.779
I forgot to say that up at the top.
1420
01:20:35.960 --> 01:20:37.380
You want to just do it right now in the
1421
01:20:37.439 --> 01:20:38.180
middle of the story?
1422
01:20:38.579 --> 01:20:40.319
We'll get it to in the end, but stay tuned
1423
01:20:40.359 --> 01:20:40.880
for that later.
1424
01:20:41.159 --> 01:20:45.819
Two years. All right. So shortly after this, the parents
1425
01:20:45.859 --> 01:20:50.149
get back to California. They're from California and reports are
1426
01:20:50.170 --> 01:20:54.880
coming that Gordon is still alive. Parents have heard stories
1427
01:20:54.920 --> 01:20:57.079
that he was picked up by a fishing boat and
1428
01:20:57.119 --> 01:21:02.180
brought ashore. And they believe that in this accident, something happened.
1429
01:21:03.020 --> 01:21:09.369
And he now has amnesia. Amnesia. Has made its way
1430
01:21:09.569 --> 01:21:15.789
into the story. And that he is now wandering around Mexico,
1431
01:21:16.510 --> 01:21:18.930
not knowing who he is or where to go and
1432
01:21:18.989 --> 01:21:22.670
trying to find his way home, but can't. because he
1433
01:21:22.710 --> 01:21:27.109
doesn't know where he is or who he is. So
1434
01:21:28.989 --> 01:21:31.390
the parents then travel back down there. They go to
1435
01:21:31.430 --> 01:21:33.369
the place where the bodies were recovered, and they start
1436
01:21:33.409 --> 01:21:38.399
talking to the residents of Santa Rosalina. They make flyers,
1437
01:21:39.539 --> 01:21:41.979
and they're passing them out. They talked to two fishermen
1438
01:21:42.039 --> 01:21:44.619
who said that they saw a guy come out of
1439
01:21:44.659 --> 01:21:48.979
the water, all caught up and disheveled, and get on
1440
01:21:49.020 --> 01:21:52.699
a bus. They also sighted a man on a beach.
1441
01:21:54.560 --> 01:21:57.600
They said sometime around this same time that this guy,
1442
01:21:57.680 --> 01:22:01.000
the guy comes up and asks this other fisherman, hey man,
1443
01:22:01.020 --> 01:22:03.670
can I borrow your blanket? I'm waiting for my friends.
1444
01:22:04.310 --> 01:22:07.250
He gives him his blanket and he disappears. When they
1445
01:22:07.289 --> 01:22:09.449
show him the flyer, they're like, yeah, that's the guy.
1446
01:22:10.569 --> 01:22:13.710
They're traveling all over Mexico trying to follow these leads
1447
01:22:14.050 --> 01:22:17.800
and they can't find him. Eventually, these leads run out
1448
01:22:18.060 --> 01:22:22.770
and they head home. But the father says, every time
1449
01:22:22.810 --> 01:22:25.850
we get back home, they get another phone call of
1450
01:22:25.909 --> 01:22:28.430
another sighting. He gets on a plane and he heads
1451
01:22:28.510 --> 01:22:32.340
back down there. So he even tells me he stopped.
1452
01:22:32.489 --> 01:22:35.600
He goes to La Paz, Mexico, which is kind of
1453
01:22:35.640 --> 01:22:40.399
further south along the peninsula. And he talks to like
1454
01:22:40.420 --> 01:22:43.399
this taco shop. And the guy's like, yeah, I saw him.
1455
01:22:43.699 --> 01:22:46.260
He was just here an hour ago. He's showing him
1456
01:22:46.739 --> 01:22:49.210
the flyers. And I was like, yeah. So he goes
1457
01:22:49.229 --> 01:22:53.380
three or four miles down, talks to more people. He's like, yeah,
1458
01:22:53.420 --> 01:22:56.119
I saw him 30 minutes ago. So he goes a
1459
01:22:56.119 --> 01:22:57.859
little further down. He's like, yeah, yeah, I saw this
1460
01:22:57.920 --> 01:23:00.850
guy five minutes ago. They get into the town square.
1461
01:23:01.550 --> 01:23:03.970
And he says, by this time, people, he goes, I
1462
01:23:03.970 --> 01:23:05.989
don't know if they thought we were the police or what,
1463
01:23:06.029 --> 01:23:08.250
but they just clam up and they won't tell us.
1464
01:23:08.590 --> 01:23:13.779
And the trail goes cold. So over the next hour,
1465
01:23:14.420 --> 01:23:18.850
Three months, Gordon is spotted at least 50 times in
1466
01:23:19.020 --> 01:23:23.649
seven different locations. So the parents are kind of getting exhausted.
1467
01:23:23.750 --> 01:23:25.369
They don't know what to do. So they hire a
1468
01:23:25.430 --> 01:23:30.789
private investigator, Bill Garcia. He runs an article in the newspaper.
1469
01:23:30.909 --> 01:23:35.649
He starts getting calls all over. And he gets a
1470
01:23:35.689 --> 01:23:40.020
call from Colonia Vincent Guerrero. He tells him, yeah, I
1471
01:23:40.079 --> 01:23:43.420
saw this guy, homeless guy. What are you doing?
1472
01:23:45.359 --> 01:23:48.229
I'm taking a social media pic, so just act casual.
1473
01:23:48.270 --> 01:23:49.789
Don't get out of here with your social media.
1474
01:23:49.810 --> 01:23:51.409
If you could just look super bulky in this, that
1475
01:23:51.430 --> 01:23:51.930
would be appreciated.
1476
01:23:51.989 --> 01:23:56.850
I'm super skinny in this. So they say this homeless
1477
01:23:56.869 --> 01:23:58.909
guy had been hanging around the town for four or
1478
01:23:58.949 --> 01:24:02.529
five months. They show him his pictures like, yep, that's him.
1479
01:24:03.600 --> 01:24:06.939
But he's moved on. So everyone says they saw him,
1480
01:24:07.020 --> 01:24:12.979
but now he's gone. He even was arrested supposedly in
1481
01:24:13.020 --> 01:24:18.270
the area for stealing food. the sheriff or the police
1482
01:24:18.350 --> 01:24:22.180
officer in the town, they brought in a guy by
1483
01:24:22.199 --> 01:24:25.380
the name of James Hatfield. He's a local resident who
1484
01:24:25.439 --> 01:24:29.100
speaks English and Spanish. They bring him in to talk
1485
01:24:29.140 --> 01:24:33.720
to this homeless guy that looks just like Gordon. And
1486
01:24:34.100 --> 01:24:36.199
he asked him, hey man, what's your name? He goes,
1487
01:24:36.510 --> 01:24:40.970
my name is Gordy. And then when they show James
1488
01:24:40.989 --> 01:24:43.810
Hatfield the flyer, he's like, yep, that's him. He's like, listen,
1489
01:24:43.850 --> 01:24:51.119
the names match and The pictures are identical. But before
1490
01:24:51.180 --> 01:24:53.539
the private investigator or the parents could get there, this
1491
01:24:53.619 --> 01:24:57.500
guy has moved on. The last sighting of him was
1492
01:24:57.500 --> 01:25:02.479
25 miles south of Tijuana. And even now, the U.S.
1493
01:25:02.539 --> 01:25:08.619
consulate at that point had reversed its decision that Gordon
1494
01:25:08.659 --> 01:25:10.619
was dead and thought that.
1495
01:25:11.060 --> 01:25:12.739
Hey, you know, he might still be alive. Yeah, I
1496
01:25:12.770 --> 01:25:16.779
did think that that was interesting that The U.S. consulate
1497
01:25:16.939 --> 01:25:19.619
did that. Is that an easy thing to have overturned?
1498
01:25:19.640 --> 01:25:21.859
I don't know. I've not tried to do that. Oh,
1499
01:25:21.880 --> 01:25:22.760
you haven't? Okay.
1500
01:25:22.819 --> 01:25:25.229
No. Well, glad you looked into it. Appreciate it.
1501
01:25:25.699 --> 01:25:28.399
So I've never tried with the U.S. consulate.
1502
01:25:28.649 --> 01:25:30.890
I just feel like getting the government to do anything
1503
01:25:30.949 --> 01:25:36.050
is a pain in the skunch. Maybe.
1504
01:25:36.069 --> 01:25:39.670
I don't know. So that's where the father comes in
1505
01:25:39.689 --> 01:25:42.409
and he's like, listen, our son is still alive. We
1506
01:25:42.430 --> 01:25:48.020
just need to find him and bring him home. So
1507
01:25:48.260 --> 01:25:53.600
that's what they're trying to do. That's where Unsolved Mysteries
1508
01:25:53.880 --> 01:25:54.380
leaves us.
1509
01:25:54.500 --> 01:25:58.520
I'm sad about this story because I fear that.
1510
01:26:00.510 --> 01:26:02.189
This is... Are you ready for your update?
1511
01:26:02.229 --> 01:26:03.329
Yeah, give it to us.
1512
01:26:04.970 --> 01:26:10.369
Technically still unsolved. His body's never been found from the accident.
1513
01:26:10.699 --> 01:26:14.020
It's in the bottom of the ocean.
1514
01:26:14.039 --> 01:26:18.199
And he technically has never been found. His mother has
1515
01:26:18.260 --> 01:26:23.729
passed away. Okay. Up until about 2021, his dad was
1516
01:26:23.770 --> 01:26:29.770
still alive. There's a Facebook page called Something Help Us
1517
01:26:29.810 --> 01:26:35.170
Find Gordon Collins. Okay. It's run by just a guy. Okay. Okay.
1518
01:26:35.229 --> 01:26:39.270
Who has been interested in this story. Okay. And started
1519
01:26:39.329 --> 01:26:42.869
a Facebook page. And he says, like, I got on it.
1520
01:26:42.909 --> 01:26:45.180
I read through a bunch of it. It's like, I
1521
01:26:45.220 --> 01:26:46.770
don't have any ties to the family, but if I
1522
01:26:46.800 --> 01:26:49.939
get any tips, I send them to the authorities. I
1523
01:26:49.960 --> 01:26:53.079
send them to his dad. That's how I know his
1524
01:26:53.159 --> 01:26:55.779
dad is at least alive. He says that. That's the
1525
01:26:55.880 --> 01:26:59.159
only confirmation I have. Okay. That he said he said,
1526
01:26:59.340 --> 01:27:01.659
but he hasn't posted on there since like 2021. Okay. Okay.
1527
01:27:01.659 --> 01:27:05.770
2020 and he only posts like once or twice a year.
1528
01:27:06.090 --> 01:27:06.529
Okay.
1529
01:27:06.569 --> 01:27:08.829
Last one was someone had posted a picture of a
1530
01:27:08.869 --> 01:27:13.010
homeless guy in Mexico and they thought it might be him,
1531
01:27:13.130 --> 01:27:18.569
but it was from like 2020. The guy, the homeless
1532
01:27:18.590 --> 01:27:23.949
guy does look like the flyer from 1991. Yeah. The
1533
01:27:23.989 --> 01:27:26.090
homeless man is clearly like 40 years old.
1534
01:27:26.390 --> 01:27:26.689
Yeah.
1535
01:27:26.729 --> 01:27:28.140
Gordon would be like 60.
1536
01:27:28.140 --> 01:27:29.439
Yeah.
1537
01:27:29.439 --> 01:27:31.119
70. Living homeless for 30 years.
1538
01:27:31.479 --> 01:27:31.760
Yeah.
1539
01:27:31.800 --> 01:27:34.020
The guy even says, yeah, we showed it to the family.
1540
01:27:34.100 --> 01:27:36.619
The family are like, no, that's not him.
1541
01:27:36.659 --> 01:27:36.920
Yeah.
1542
01:27:37.770 --> 01:27:42.970
So there really is no update. People believe he's still alive.
1543
01:27:42.989 --> 01:27:48.630
He's somewhere around there. But unfortunately... There's been no confirmation.
1544
01:27:48.649 --> 01:27:51.270
I did think that the guy that had a conversation
1545
01:27:51.310 --> 01:27:53.210
with the man at the prison who said his name
1546
01:27:53.250 --> 01:27:54.310
was Gordy, like.
1547
01:27:54.989 --> 01:27:55.970
Talked to him face-to-face.
1548
01:27:55.989 --> 01:27:59.909
Face-to-face, and only shortly before that picture fell into his lap.
1549
01:28:01.010 --> 01:28:04.329
That's probably the most credible. Like, I can see why,
1550
01:28:04.409 --> 01:28:06.729
at least at the beginning, but we've seen this with,
1551
01:28:07.130 --> 01:28:12.460
you know, many of cases that people actually weirdly seem
1552
01:28:12.500 --> 01:28:17.840
to look a lot alike, apparently, because... We get these reports.
1553
01:28:19.420 --> 01:28:24.119
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, there's... It's too bad.
1554
01:28:24.220 --> 01:28:25.390
I don't have a.
1555
01:28:25.399 --> 01:28:28.000
Yeah, I mean, there hasn't been any confirmation that he
1556
01:28:28.039 --> 01:28:34.010
passed away in that storm. It's probably likely that he did.
1557
01:28:34.029 --> 01:28:36.850
But I can also see as a parent when you're
1558
01:28:36.890 --> 01:28:39.890
getting these reports and I would chase those leads down too.
1559
01:28:40.020 --> 01:28:42.359
I get it. As a parent, you want confirmation.
1560
01:28:42.399 --> 01:28:42.619
Yeah.
1561
01:28:42.739 --> 01:28:45.100
His body was never found. Absolutely. And that is terrible.
1562
01:28:45.140 --> 01:28:48.180
You never got to bury your son. Yeah. If he
1563
01:28:48.220 --> 01:28:48.600
did die.
1564
01:28:48.659 --> 01:28:50.579
He went out on a fishing trip and a boat
1565
01:28:50.619 --> 01:28:52.600
with his buddies and he's never seen again.
1566
01:28:52.619 --> 01:28:55.159
Yeah. It's terrible. So I understand you get reports.
1567
01:28:55.189 --> 01:28:58.229
No one survived that trip, all four of them.
1568
01:28:58.880 --> 01:29:01.720
And I understand as a parent, if you get reports
1569
01:29:01.760 --> 01:29:03.859
that your son is possibly alive, you're not going to
1570
01:29:03.899 --> 01:29:06.260
just shoo those under the rug.
1571
01:29:06.279 --> 01:29:07.100
No, I wouldn't.
1572
01:29:07.460 --> 01:29:10.100
You're going to want to find out and confirm that.
1573
01:29:10.840 --> 01:29:15.729
And I'm sure as more and more stories come out, that.
1574
01:29:16.170 --> 01:29:16.350
Yeah.
1575
01:29:16.670 --> 01:29:20.630
So, no. I mean, technically. Unsolved. Of course, according to this,
1576
01:29:20.670 --> 01:29:22.569
still unsolved. Okay.
1577
01:29:24.100 --> 01:29:28.100
All right, guys. Well, that is our recap of Season 5,
1578
01:29:28.100 --> 01:29:32.539
Episode 11 of Unsolved Mysteries. And like I pointed out,
1579
01:29:32.699 --> 01:29:38.289
in classic ADHD fashion, I am just now realizing an
1580
01:29:38.569 --> 01:29:40.890
hour and something minutes into this that this is our
1581
01:29:40.989 --> 01:29:42.770
two-year anniversary episode.
1582
01:29:42.829 --> 01:29:44.989
So, yay! Two years.
1583
01:29:45.569 --> 01:29:46.069
Two years.
1584
01:29:46.729 --> 01:29:48.340
Feels like 10.
1585
01:29:48.340 --> 01:29:52.199
Feels like 10. Feels like 10 episodes to me.
1586
01:29:52.659 --> 01:29:55.909
So in two years, we've gotten through almost five seasons. Mm-hmm.
1587
01:29:57.750 --> 01:29:57.970
I know.
1588
01:29:57.989 --> 01:29:59.729
What are we going to do when we're out of episodes?
1589
01:30:00.329 --> 01:30:02.689
Move on to Unsolved... Should we move on to America's
1590
01:30:02.729 --> 01:30:05.439
Most Wanted or Rescue 911? No.
1591
01:30:05.680 --> 01:30:06.180
Retire.
1592
01:30:06.619 --> 01:30:08.500
Well, we do have to go over the new ones
1593
01:30:08.539 --> 01:30:11.649
from Netflix, but I think that's only two or three seasons.
1594
01:30:12.270 --> 01:30:15.130
You will hate the most recent season of Unsolved Mysteries
1595
01:30:15.189 --> 01:30:18.789
on Netflix because it's mostly weird paranormal stuff and not
1596
01:30:18.829 --> 01:30:22.079
even like good ones. I think it does talk about Mothman,
1597
01:30:22.199 --> 01:30:26.920
which I do find interesting. And maybe the New Jersey Devil,
1598
01:30:26.939 --> 01:30:29.840
I think might be mentioned on there. Some kind of
1599
01:30:29.859 --> 01:30:38.550
more newer age mythical creatures. So be excited about that.
1600
01:30:38.569 --> 01:30:39.890
I'm not.
1601
01:30:41.220 --> 01:30:43.300
Did you ever watch any of the new ones on Netflix?
1602
01:30:43.460 --> 01:30:44.500
Not a minute.
1603
01:30:44.699 --> 01:30:46.850
Not a minute of it? Not a second. You didn't
1604
01:30:46.890 --> 01:30:49.970
even look at them. You said, I don't think so, Netflix.
1605
01:30:50.449 --> 01:30:51.210
Not interested.
1606
01:30:51.229 --> 01:30:56.770
Get this BS down the road. Kick that down the road.
1607
01:30:56.829 --> 01:30:58.310
I want nothing to do with this.
1608
01:30:58.750 --> 01:31:00.819
Yeah, well, you will be at some point.
1609
01:31:01.279 --> 01:31:04.640
You know what I care about? Bulking up. Hop.
1610
01:31:13.760 --> 01:31:15.920
Oh, heavens to Betsy. Um, okay.
1611
01:31:16.460 --> 01:31:16.640
Yeah.
1612
01:31:16.680 --> 01:31:19.159
So happy to your anniversary to us. I don't know. I'm,
1613
01:31:20.500 --> 01:31:21.750
I don't know why I feel the need to share it.
1614
01:31:21.779 --> 01:31:36.239
Maybe we should have planned something more. Oh, You can
1615
01:31:36.279 --> 01:31:38.819
go watch it there. I'm going to release it next
1616
01:31:39.000 --> 01:31:41.739
week in lieu of our standard one because I think
1617
01:31:41.779 --> 01:31:44.649
the story is very important. It is an unsolved case.
1618
01:31:45.949 --> 01:31:50.670
The murder of a young girl named Brittany, Dr. Maggie.
1619
01:31:50.789 --> 01:31:54.449
Her mother is a very big advocate speaking out against
1620
01:31:54.609 --> 01:31:59.569
unsolved crimes and rights for victims' families. She is a
1621
01:31:59.789 --> 01:32:02.699
staple at CrimeCon, and many of you guys might have
1622
01:32:02.720 --> 01:32:06.109
seen that she had an entire van full. custom wrapped
1623
01:32:07.300 --> 01:32:11.279
with her daughter's picture, tip line information and everything. So
1624
01:32:11.340 --> 01:32:14.000
Kedra shares the story with me. She invited me to
1625
01:32:14.279 --> 01:32:16.720
hop onto an episode with her where she tells me
1626
01:32:16.779 --> 01:32:20.560
the story and we kind of have some discussion and
1627
01:32:20.600 --> 01:32:24.100
there's a few calls to action. So next week, Ben
1628
01:32:24.159 --> 01:32:26.579
and I will have a little chat and then that
1629
01:32:26.640 --> 01:32:29.739
will kind of take over and be the episode for
1630
01:32:29.840 --> 01:32:30.479
next week.
1631
01:32:30.800 --> 01:32:31.560
So I'm off next week.
1632
01:32:32.279 --> 01:32:34.520
No, we still are going to do a little intro
1633
01:32:34.819 --> 01:32:38.720
and hangout time beforehand. And then, and full disclosure, and
1634
01:32:38.760 --> 01:32:41.380
I'll say this again, that one is going to be
1635
01:32:41.579 --> 01:32:45.239
marked as explicit because there is language and graphic talks
1636
01:32:45.479 --> 01:32:48.659
of crime scenes and different things in that. So if
1637
01:32:48.729 --> 01:32:52.270
you are a person that normally enjoys these episodes with
1638
01:32:52.310 --> 01:32:56.069
your children or, you know, in the room or in
1639
01:32:56.090 --> 01:32:59.090
the car, next week is probably a good one just
1640
01:32:59.170 --> 01:33:05.149
to watch that. Probably, I'd say 16 plus. Because, yeah,
1641
01:33:05.810 --> 01:33:09.409
we talk about graphic crime scene and different things because
1642
01:33:09.470 --> 01:33:11.810
it is important for us to understand.
1643
01:33:11.829 --> 01:33:12.430
What else happens?
1644
01:33:13.550 --> 01:33:16.750
I say bad words because I get very angry at men.
1645
01:33:17.529 --> 01:33:18.430
You. I know.
1646
01:33:18.810 --> 01:33:21.489
And you guys, I don't curse very often, but I
1647
01:33:21.630 --> 01:33:24.689
did get mad. I think that's cute. I say a
1648
01:33:24.689 --> 01:33:25.220
bad word.
1649
01:33:25.229 --> 01:33:28.329
I don't curse very often. I curse all the time.
1650
01:33:28.350 --> 01:33:30.729
It does all the time. And I don't.
1651
01:33:30.829 --> 01:33:32.729
Not on the podcast, but in real life.
1652
01:33:33.189 --> 01:33:38.600
I don't. And I just never really have. But when
1653
01:33:38.619 --> 01:33:41.020
I get mad, I tend to. Anyways.
1654
01:33:41.180 --> 01:33:41.960
You get real mad.
1655
01:33:42.020 --> 01:33:44.319
I get real mad because. Anyway, you guys will see.
1656
01:33:44.560 --> 01:33:47.439
Check out the one. It's streaming now on YouTube. Available
1657
01:33:47.520 --> 01:33:53.279
over on Kedra's. stream and feed and all of that perplexity,
1658
01:33:53.329 --> 01:33:55.970
please check her out and support her because we would
1659
01:33:56.029 --> 01:33:58.590
like to get as many eyes and ears on this
1660
01:33:58.689 --> 01:34:02.270
case as possible. And then that will be available on
1661
01:34:02.489 --> 01:34:05.170
our main feed next week for you guys. And then
1662
01:34:05.229 --> 01:34:09.300
the following week we'll be back to our normal format. Uh,
1663
01:34:09.460 --> 01:34:10.979
do not play footsies with me.
1664
01:34:11.039 --> 01:34:11.399
Gross.
1665
01:34:11.439 --> 01:34:12.600
You're so weird.
1666
01:34:12.619 --> 01:34:15.039
I know it's cause I'm not bulky.
1667
01:34:17.420 --> 01:34:20.369
And, uh, yeah. And maybe we'll do. I was trying
1668
01:34:20.390 --> 01:34:21.890
to talk to Ben and you guys can let us
1669
01:34:21.930 --> 01:34:24.590
know normally. So last year in like kind of celebration
1670
01:34:24.670 --> 01:34:30.090
of our one year anniversary, we recapped the Amy Bradley
1671
01:34:30.149 --> 01:34:33.029
documentary on Netflix because it was it's an unsolved case
1672
01:34:33.210 --> 01:34:36.569
and it was like blowing up at the time. So
1673
01:34:36.670 --> 01:34:38.760
I was wondering if we should do that again this year.
1674
01:34:38.770 --> 01:34:41.060
We had a lot of positive feedback about the Amy
1675
01:34:41.100 --> 01:34:44.199
Bradley case, which is still unsolved. And there is a
1676
01:34:44.340 --> 01:34:48.699
handful of really insane documentaries right now. There's Maternal Instincts
1677
01:34:49.800 --> 01:34:52.699
and there is The Preacher's Wife, which is the one
1678
01:34:52.739 --> 01:34:54.010
that I wanted to cover.
1679
01:34:54.020 --> 01:34:55.670
That's not an unsolved mystery.
1680
01:34:55.789 --> 01:34:59.029
It is an unsolved mystery because why is that man
1681
01:34:59.090 --> 01:35:04.729
still not been outed for being a douche canoe?
1682
01:35:05.409 --> 01:35:07.609
I think he is now that the documentary is out.
1683
01:35:08.649 --> 01:35:10.760
Yeah, I don't know. It's an unsolved mystery to me
1684
01:35:10.779 --> 01:35:15.020
because I think it opens up a very interesting. Anyways, again,
1685
01:35:15.279 --> 01:35:16.409
this is why I think it would be a good one,
1686
01:35:16.420 --> 01:35:18.319
because I think you and I would have some very
1687
01:35:18.420 --> 01:35:22.350
interesting thoughts and conversations around it. And also, I have
1688
01:35:22.369 --> 01:35:24.510
a lot of questions for all the people who have
1689
01:35:24.590 --> 01:35:28.329
ever attended that man's sermons. But that is a podcast
1690
01:35:28.409 --> 01:35:33.460
for another day. Anyway, so yeah, let us know. And
1691
01:35:33.840 --> 01:35:38.699
just to wrap it up, here is your ridiculous question, Ben.
1692
01:35:40.479 --> 01:35:44.090
What is the least amount of money you'd accept to
1693
01:35:44.210 --> 01:35:44.970
eat a spider?
1694
01:35:44.989 --> 01:35:47.289
To eat a spider?
1695
01:35:47.310 --> 01:35:53.760
A tarantula.
1696
01:35:53.779 --> 01:35:57.600
A tarantula. No, that's not the question.
1697
01:35:59.189 --> 01:36:02.510
Okay, a non-venomous, obviously, because I didn't mix that into
1698
01:36:02.529 --> 01:36:06.529
your milkshake. A non-venomous, but a decent sized spider. I'm
1699
01:36:06.550 --> 01:36:10.609
not talking like a little like peon spider. It's size
1700
01:36:10.630 --> 01:36:13.029
of a quarter. That's a pretty decent sized spider.
1701
01:36:13.260 --> 01:36:14.300
Size of a quarter.
1702
01:36:15.159 --> 01:36:17.260
How much money would you, what would be the least
1703
01:36:17.300 --> 01:36:19.039
amount you would accept to eat a spider?
1704
01:36:19.060 --> 01:36:19.979
A hundred bucks.
1705
01:36:20.859 --> 01:36:23.560
Shut the front door. A hundred dollars?
1706
01:36:23.600 --> 01:36:24.500
Yeah, sure. Why not?
1707
01:36:25.960 --> 01:36:27.699
How much would it take for you to eat a tarantula?
1708
01:36:27.720 --> 01:36:28.689
That would be a lot more.
1709
01:36:29.779 --> 01:36:33.399
Okay, well, $ 100 is nothing. So how much for a tarantula?
1710
01:36:35.640 --> 01:36:39.619
At least $ 1, 000. At least. To eat a.
1711
01:36:41.229 --> 01:36:44.609
Tarantula? People do eat, I will say, tarantula is a
1712
01:36:44.630 --> 01:36:47.829
good one because it is, people eat them in other countries.
1713
01:36:48.649 --> 01:36:49.210
Did you know that?
1714
01:36:50.029 --> 01:36:53.130
Yeah, I mean, spiders, I think, are eaten in a
1715
01:36:53.170 --> 01:37:00.170
lot of places. Tarantulas are gross. I don't mind tarantulas
1716
01:37:00.890 --> 01:37:05.210
not eating, but they don't bother me. We live around them.
1717
01:37:05.750 --> 01:37:09.189
We see them every year. I remember when we first
1718
01:37:09.270 --> 01:37:11.470
moved down here, we thought they were going to be
1719
01:37:11.510 --> 01:37:11.989
a problem.
1720
01:37:12.520 --> 01:37:12.840
They are.
1721
01:37:12.880 --> 01:37:13.270
They're not.
1722
01:37:13.800 --> 01:37:15.920
I still think that they are a little bit of
1723
01:37:15.939 --> 01:37:16.399
a problem.
1724
01:37:16.579 --> 01:37:20.000
They're not a problem. They're tarantulas. They come out, they
1725
01:37:20.140 --> 01:37:21.960
wander around, and then they leave.
1726
01:37:23.560 --> 01:37:24.630
They creep me out.
1727
01:37:25.630 --> 01:37:26.770
They're super docile.
1728
01:37:26.829 --> 01:37:29.489
One touched me accidentally and I didn't know it was
1729
01:37:29.510 --> 01:37:32.090
going to. One of my biggest fears is during monsoon
1730
01:37:32.109 --> 01:37:34.220
season is that I will open up my front door
1731
01:37:34.300 --> 01:37:39.000
and that will gyrate a tarantula that's crawling on my
1732
01:37:39.079 --> 01:37:41.699
stucco off the stucco wall and that it will land
1733
01:37:41.779 --> 01:37:45.079
on my body and I would lose it. I would
1734
01:37:45.659 --> 01:37:46.119
lose it.
1735
01:37:46.140 --> 01:37:47.460
You would be in the loony bin.
1736
01:37:47.720 --> 01:37:47.899
Yeah.
1737
01:37:47.920 --> 01:37:49.119
I would have to admit.
1738
01:37:48.920 --> 01:37:51.079
You for like 24 hours. I would need to be
1739
01:37:51.159 --> 01:37:51.699
like on.
1740
01:37:51.640 --> 01:37:55.079
A- Sedated. Sedated. You would. You would have to be sleeping.
1741
01:37:55.180 --> 01:37:55.500
I would.
1742
01:37:55.539 --> 01:37:57.920
When the kid got into our garage one time, there
1743
01:37:57.960 --> 01:38:00.199
was a tarantula in there. And Ben was at work.
1744
01:38:00.220 --> 01:38:02.939
It was a whole thing. I couldn't sleep that night
1745
01:38:03.039 --> 01:38:05.850
because I kept feeling like it was crawling on my bed.
1746
01:38:05.859 --> 01:38:09.010
Let's just tell the story. Maybe we've told this story before,
1747
01:38:09.069 --> 01:38:12.869
but we're going to retell it. I'm at work. We
1748
01:38:12.930 --> 01:38:16.409
haven't been living here very long. Maybe a year.
1749
01:38:17.369 --> 01:38:18.949
I was pregnant with Porter.
1750
01:38:19.829 --> 01:38:20.689
Like two years.
1751
01:38:20.710 --> 01:38:20.869
Mm-hmm.
1752
01:38:22.319 --> 01:38:23.359
And I'm working the swing shift.
1753
01:38:23.380 --> 01:38:25.159
We were living in our first home.
1754
01:38:25.739 --> 01:38:32.989
I'm working swing shift. It's nighttime. Ah. I am doing.
1755
01:38:33.010 --> 01:38:39.300
Law enforcement work. And I'm in the middle of something
1756
01:38:39.989 --> 01:38:44.439
that I cannot leave. And you call me.
1757
01:38:45.000 --> 01:38:46.840
On your cell phone. I don't call your work or
1758
01:38:46.859 --> 01:38:47.300
anything crazy.
1759
01:38:47.319 --> 01:38:49.640
You call me on my cell phone. Yeah. And you
1760
01:38:49.720 --> 01:38:55.239
are hysterical. And I go worst case scenario. Yeah, because
1761
01:38:55.300 --> 01:39:00.810
I am thinking something has happened to you, to the kids, something.
1762
01:39:00.930 --> 01:39:01.649
And then I'm thinking.
1763
01:39:01.670 --> 01:39:04.369
Yeah, because I'm home at night with two children and
1764
01:39:04.430 --> 01:39:04.989
I'm pregnant.
1765
01:39:05.369 --> 01:39:07.149
Yeah. How am I going to get out of what
1766
01:39:07.189 --> 01:39:10.109
I'm doing right now? Because I'm kind of in it.
1767
01:39:11.869 --> 01:39:12.770
You were balls deep.
1768
01:39:12.840 --> 01:39:15.300
Well, it wasn't easy to get out of.
1769
01:39:16.500 --> 01:39:16.640
And.
1770
01:39:19.529 --> 01:39:23.270
You finally, it takes you forever to get it out.
1771
01:39:24.170 --> 01:39:25.909
But it was just a tarantula.
1772
01:39:25.930 --> 01:39:27.949
It was not just a tarantula.
1773
01:39:27.989 --> 01:39:31.970
It was just a tarantula in the garage, not in
1774
01:39:32.010 --> 01:39:33.340
the house, in the garage.
1775
01:39:33.409 --> 01:39:35.760
That was close enough. And that is technically in my
1776
01:39:35.810 --> 01:39:43.380
living quarters. I walked out to the garage casually, barefoot, pregnant,
1777
01:39:43.600 --> 01:39:48.130
home with two children. That I'm trying to keep safe
1778
01:39:48.210 --> 01:39:52.609
and protected and the audacity of that tarantula to just
1779
01:39:52.810 --> 01:39:58.409
be there menacingly. It was ginormous. I had to find
1780
01:39:58.430 --> 01:40:00.090
the biggest piece of Tupperware.
1781
01:40:00.350 --> 01:40:04.229
Sierra finds the biggest piece of Tupperware and puts it
1782
01:40:04.310 --> 01:40:04.529
on top.
1783
01:40:04.609 --> 01:40:06.899
I yeeted it. I like threw it over him.
1784
01:40:07.810 --> 01:40:13.060
Gets it on him and then finds the biggest rock.
1785
01:40:14.159 --> 01:40:19.149
A massive rock. So big. I was worried it would
1786
01:40:19.270 --> 01:40:21.010
crush the Tupperware.
1787
01:40:21.289 --> 01:40:24.449
No, it was not. But you know what? That tarantula
1788
01:40:24.689 --> 01:40:25.390
was not going to scoot.
1789
01:40:25.409 --> 01:40:28.069
Because Sierra thought that that tarantula was still going to
1790
01:40:28.189 --> 01:40:31.119
scoot that Tupperware around and flip it over.
1791
01:40:31.140 --> 01:40:33.779
Go up the stair into the house and come after me.
1792
01:40:34.020 --> 01:40:38.020
Go through the closed garage door and come in the
1793
01:40:38.060 --> 01:40:38.960
house and attack her.
1794
01:40:38.979 --> 01:40:41.289
I think I even closed the laundry room door so
1795
01:40:41.310 --> 01:40:42.729
that it was like double-doored.
1796
01:40:44.470 --> 01:40:47.109
And I think you might have even stacked a couple rocks.
1797
01:40:46.899 --> 01:40:49.140
On top of it. It might have been. That tarantula
1798
01:40:49.539 --> 01:40:50.819
was not going anywhere.
1799
01:40:50.840 --> 01:40:53.420
Because I got home at like 2, 2.30 in the
1800
01:40:53.460 --> 01:40:57.579
morning from work, go into the garage, see it in there.
1801
01:40:57.600 --> 01:41:01.069
I just slid something underneath it. I took him across
1802
01:41:01.130 --> 01:41:03.500
the way and dumped him out in the desert. I
1803
01:41:03.520 --> 01:41:06.399
didn't kill him. I don't kill tarantulas. Yeah. There's no reason.
1804
01:41:06.560 --> 01:41:09.979
I couldn't kill a tarantula either, but that's because the
1805
01:41:10.060 --> 01:41:12.409
sound alone would send me again.
1806
01:41:12.750 --> 01:41:15.529
I've seen so many of them. They're super docile. They're
1807
01:41:15.550 --> 01:41:19.710
kind of cool, actually. But I've got no issues with tarantulas.
1808
01:41:19.890 --> 01:41:22.510
I don't know if I want to eat one for
1809
01:41:22.529 --> 01:41:22.949
enough money.
1810
01:41:22.970 --> 01:41:25.270
You're saying a thousand bucks, you'd eat a tarantula? It
1811
01:41:25.289 --> 01:41:27.079
would at least tempt you to consider it?
1812
01:41:27.100 --> 01:41:31.590
It would tempt me. I don't know. You would really have...
1813
01:41:31.770 --> 01:41:33.310
I would have to be in the moment to see
1814
01:41:33.369 --> 01:41:37.949
where I'm at. If you'd have to throw the cash on.
1815
01:41:37.970 --> 01:41:43.050
Five grand. Five grand. A stack of $ 5, 000.
1816
01:41:41.609 --> 01:41:44.489
I think I could do it for five grand. I
1817
01:41:44.529 --> 01:41:48.970
would vomit. It would be terrible. But if you put $ 5, 000
1818
01:41:48.810 --> 01:41:50.960
cash in front of me, I'd probably do it.
1819
01:41:51.109 --> 01:41:51.289
Yeah.
1820
01:41:51.310 --> 01:41:53.130
All right. What about you?
1821
01:41:53.390 --> 01:41:55.289
Oh, there's no... First off, let's do just....
1822
01:41:56.680 --> 01:42:08.680
Quarter size spider. A million dollars. A million bucks. That's
1823
01:42:08.720 --> 01:42:11.390
what it takes. So if someone came and offered you $ 100, 000.
1824
01:42:11.270 --> 01:42:12.560
To eat a spider?
1825
01:42:12.619 --> 01:42:14.729
Not going to happen.
1826
01:42:16.010 --> 01:42:18.670
Oh my gosh. You can get me to do a
1827
01:42:18.710 --> 01:42:19.850
lot for a hundred grand.
1828
01:42:21.829 --> 01:42:28.829
Maybe $ 250, 000. I would consider it. $ 250, 000.
1829
01:42:24.829 --> 01:42:30.829
$ 250, 000.
1830
01:42:28.789 --> 01:42:31.810
But I'd have to be able to like dress it
1831
01:42:31.930 --> 01:42:33.810
up and like put it inside. I'd have to like
1832
01:42:33.909 --> 01:42:38.600
mask it. Ben, I can't even eat mayonnaise without vomiting.
1833
01:42:38.640 --> 01:42:41.319
Can you imagine me trying to eat a crunchy spider?
1834
01:42:41.340 --> 01:42:45.479
The moment that popped in my mouth, it would be done.
1835
01:42:47.619 --> 01:42:53.770
And a tarantula, there is no amount of money. 10 million? No.
1836
01:42:54.510 --> 01:42:57.069
I wouldn't even be able to ethically consent to it
1837
01:42:57.109 --> 01:42:59.510
because there's no way in heck.
1838
01:42:59.510 --> 01:43:02.770
10 million for a tarantula?
1839
01:43:02.810 --> 01:43:03.989
I couldn't physically eat it.
1840
01:43:03.989 --> 01:43:05.989
A million dollars, a tarantula.
1841
01:43:06.010 --> 01:43:08.829
No, not worth it. I wouldn't be able to get
1842
01:43:08.869 --> 01:43:11.350
it down. Can you imagine me trying to put a
1843
01:43:11.670 --> 01:43:18.949
freaking tarantula in my mouth? I would die. I'd be dead.
1844
01:43:19.449 --> 01:43:20.550
But you'd have money, I guess.
1845
01:43:23.050 --> 01:43:24.149
I got 10 million bucks.
1846
01:43:24.590 --> 01:43:25.710
A dead wife, though.
1847
01:43:25.729 --> 01:43:28.390
And I could bulk up with that. Absolutely, I could.
1848
01:43:28.289 --> 01:43:30.149
Bulk up with that.
1849
01:43:31.470 --> 01:43:31.829
Ha!
1850
01:43:32.550 --> 01:43:32.810
Ha!
1851
01:43:34.020 --> 01:43:34.800
All right, guys.
1852
01:43:34.850 --> 01:43:38.859
Well, I think on that note, make sure to join
1853
01:43:38.939 --> 01:43:42.260
Ben and I again here next week where we recap
1854
01:43:42.300 --> 01:43:43.340
another episode of.
1855
01:43:44.000 --> 01:43:44.659
One Submistress.
1856
01:43:44.699 --> 01:43:45.100
Bye!