Last P.O.W, Officer down, Prison Break & Rebecca Young

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Hey everybody, I'm Sierra and I'm Ben. Welcome back to
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another episode of The Unsolved Couple. Were every week but
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and I recap one of your original gateway drugs into
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true crime Unsolved Mistress. We have almost been doing this
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for two years. A couple more weeks, right, first, our
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first Tuesday in September. First Tuesday and September is our
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two year mark.
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Technically this is two years.
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Well, we were really productive and we recorded how many
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episodes before we dropped our first one.
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I'm saying this like episode one oh four, which would
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be two years.
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Don't try to do maths with me. We're going by date.
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Our anniversary is based on date because if we were
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going to go by weeks, then like our wedding anniversary
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wouldn't really count because no, that as Matt doesn't that
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well because leap ear, So yes it does. Our anniversary
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would always be changing every four years.
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Valid point.
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And I just came up with that off the top
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of my head, thank you speech and debate form my
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high school. Yeah, so we're almost at our two year anniversary.
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I guess I should specify a couple more weeks and
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we'll be there. You excited are you going to celebrate,
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invite me a present.
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I already have a party, plan a surprise. Lots of people.
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They've invited all the big wigs in the world of
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true crime. Is Chris Hansen going to be there? He's hosting?
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That feels kind of ominous if Keith Morris or not,
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it's at Yeah, that's what if he is, Like if
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you walk into a room and he's holding a piece
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of paper and it's like, no, no, no, this is just
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my notes on what I'm supposed to go over.
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If you show up before him, you know it's a
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problem because you know he's about to come through the door.
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Yeah, exactly. So we don't want a party where Chris
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Hansen is the host.
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Yeah yeah, but I guess if he touched you beforehand,
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especially if you walk.
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In with like pizza, what do they always have? Also
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a beer? Pizza and beer, be like I was just
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told to be here to show up with this. Oh,
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bless his heart. He's still going strong too with that show.
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Good for him, which is crazy because you think people
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will catch on.
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But you would think that men would learn their lesson,
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but it does.
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A lot of bad people in the world.
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Doesn't seem that they have realized that they could be
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getting catfished by the police, and I love the police
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that do that. What are we talking about on this
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episode season five, I're kind of taking it back a
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little bit. We've had a couple of crazy episodes with
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UFOs and some ghost stories.
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And I have a confession to me.
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You did not like this episode.
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I hated it.
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I don't think that's a confession. You say that almost
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every I.
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Will tell you this. I sat down to do my notes,
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and this happens every once in a while with this.
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You just can't seem to get it going.
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I get so angry. I get so irritated. I get
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irritated the way they're telling the story. I get irritated the.
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Pace of the of it. I will say, the story
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that Ben is covering took up like thirty plus minutes.
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Of a like so upset about the whole thing everything,
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and then it just spirals into I'm just mad, that's
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the whole world.
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Because I came in here and you were dinking on
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your phone. You weren't actually doing it.
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I know because I was already irritated.
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So I've been in here for ten minutes.
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That's how fast it happens just like that.
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Okay, And then I actually offered because I realized, so
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there's four stories, so normand four stories, will do two
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and two, right, And so Ben took one and Or
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took two, and I took two. And then as I
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was doing my notes, I was like, oh, my recaps
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are actually quite short, and my notes are super short.
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There's not a lot of follow up and all this stuff.
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So I said, I'll take the third story. And then
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you got all tanter me about it. So pick a
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lane turner.
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I don't be taking work, all right, don't be just
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trying to cut me out of this podcast, all right,
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trying to fire me, all right?
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I would never You're stuck with this for life, especially
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now since you're the only person on this entire ship
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that has ever gotten out of traction on social media,
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so you're now permanently attached.
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Here's upset about the real that happened, not.
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Said about I'm happy that the real went viral. What
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I am frustrated about is the inequality of men and
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women on the Internet, and that women's rights do not
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seem to get respected online. That's my problem. Representation. Females
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need representation on social media.
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You can have all the representation.
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I understand. That's what's even more annoying is that when
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I had to confess to you, because I've shared reels
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with Ben and them a couple of times, but very
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rarely follow us on social media on self coupled, pod
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and so, but a couple of them are just funny
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and silly, and this one was as well. And so
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I just think it's funny that but.
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I knowledge of this.
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Yeah, So that's seeing Ben had no knowledge is he
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never does. Ben has no social media. I don't approve
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them through him nothing. I control the social media. We're
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married long enough I know what I'm allowed and not
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allowed to post. So I made this reel and I
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worked on it for a while and I posted it,
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and we went to bed, and I woke up in
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the morning and I had like over three hundred notifications.
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I thought the world had ended as my phone throughout
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the night just went Everyone was like, who's this hattie
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with a beard rolling his eyes at his wife?
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That is what happened.
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So then I had to tell Ben before he left
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that morning, whatever you were going to go do, like hey,
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super quick?
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And everyone was honking at me.
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On the faemway, I said, super quick, I did post
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a reel with you in it last night and it might.
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Have blown up.
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And he was like, what, this is the one man
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on the face of the earth who does not care
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about any ounce of that, who was even slightly annoyed
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that his image is now been in front of other people.
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I'm still annoyed about it.
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Yeah, all right, okay, Season five, Episode nine, Yes I will.
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I'm going to start us out.
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I will start us out with me. Get to the
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top of my notes.
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Here turn.
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You can suck on my big two if you think.
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All right.
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Albuquerque, New Mexico, August eighteenth. I almost said eighteen ninety four,
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which would be a very different story, but this is
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nineteen eighty four. It was a warm, dry night with
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the temperatures in the upper nineties. Ten twenty five pm.
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A police officer stumbles out of a local pool hall
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called Gary's Game Room. He's been shot twice, one in
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the arm and once in his side, breaking several ribs.
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At ten twenty eight pm, officers here across the radio
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the words that make their stomach strump. Officer down and scene.
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That's how we start off this episode, or this story nothing. Okay, Ben,
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thank you, I appreciate it.
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Shut up.
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Officers Pick Webb and Rick Fowley have received a tip
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that a woman wanted for fraud spent time at a
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local pool hall. The two officers arrive at the hall.
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They search the bar and see the back of the
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bar a long, dark hallway which most people would say,
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maybe we don't go down there, but these two fellows
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are looking for a lady and they think maybe she's
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gone down there.
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Okay, police, you have no choice. You gotta go.
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Oh everyone has a choice. So as they walk down
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the hallway, a man with a gun comes out of
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nowhere like a room like steps out oohoom boom. He
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orders them to drop their weapons. And then when the
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two try to flee, so both of I will say,
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everyone lives in this story. The both the officers and
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I have some questions about Officer B. And I couldn't
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figure this out because they are standing in this hallway
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and I think something along the lines what I would
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call like the funnel of death. Is that what you
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call those fatal funnel There's nowhere to go, and if
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you run or try to leave, you are turning your
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backs to the ear stuck in the spot. So for
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some reason, according to the guys that were interviewed, who
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are the cops, they do try to like leave the hallway, yep,
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And so as they turn to do so, I think,
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what are the officers runs? Because he's out in the
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parking lot when his buddy comes out.
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Show don't tell the story very well. Yeah, it appears of.
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Them they ran out.
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It does appear.
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I don't think that's how you're supposed to police officer.
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I will say these guys were not partners, so they
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do tell us in unsolved mysteries. I don't know if
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it was just kind of a slower night or whatever.
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But an officer decides he gets on the computer. He's
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looking up at bench warrants. I don't know what a
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bench warrant is, but I don't think it's like the
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top of the list of like the people that you
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need to like show up at their house at three
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in the morning and bang it out. I don't think
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that was the correct terms, but banging on the front door.
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But he.
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But I think a benchwort is a little bit below
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like banging on the front door with the SWAT guys
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at three in the morning. I think a bench warran.
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It's like, hey, if you interact with this person or
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you find him.
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Usually they missed like a coordinator or something.
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Like a court bench, like they were supposed to be
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seated in front of the bench in front.
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Of and so because you missed the courtinator, they.
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Called a bench warrant. Okay, I couldn't figure that out.
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I guess I gota looked it up, but I didn't
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think that far ahead. Okay, So it must be a
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slow night. He decides he's got some intel that this
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lady that's wanted in front of bench whart hangs out
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of this place. So this other officer that was working
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that night also that is with him, decides just to
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tag along because I'm sure sometimes when you're trying to
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bring people in, when they're at a pool bar having
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a good time and maybe winning a game, and a
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police officer comes in and says, ma'm you have to
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come with me, there might be a little bit of
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pushback on that. So long story short, there is a
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possibility that officer skidaddled out of there. Yes, yes, but
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I am very I mean, this is terrifying. They are
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in a crowded bar, though it is dark like most
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bars are. It's the eighties, so I bet everyone and
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their dog smoked indoors at that point, so it's probably hazy.
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According to the reenactment, the only light source available was
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Neon pink lights.
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I think I was muted when I said I think
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that other officer was new.
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No, I think you I heard you.
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I think that was muted.
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And so these shots start like, this is the worst
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of the worst situation. And here's the best part. This
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man is not even who they are there to go see.
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I don't know what sparked thiszing. It's not when you're
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in a hallway and something like that happens. The best
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course of avenue to get out of that fatal funnel
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and get into course of avenue. Is that a new scene?
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Course of action?
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Oh, course of action.
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Saying to get to some type of cover.
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Well, yeah, and that's I'm glad that you can spessiz
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because to me, just as a practical person, this is
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the worst of the worst situations. You're in a hallway,
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you're also in a public space with uh like, there
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are other people, and it's dark, it's smoky, like your
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visibility is not good anyways, long story short, Officer B
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pieces out, I'm gonna guess it's chaos and everybody's running out.
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It also appears like Officer A, who ends up getting
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shot may have also been trying to leave because he
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ends up getting shot in the ribs, like I said,
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breaking several bones. Like so he did have his life
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vest that's not at all what it's called.
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Life est His bulletproof vest shut his life vest on.
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He thought that he was going out on a boat
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that night. He heard pool haul and he thought there
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was water involved. He had his float he's on. Anyways,
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he has a bulletproof est on, but they don't cover
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your sides, which seems like a design flaw. But breaking
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several ribs and then he also gets shot in the shoulder.
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He is still able to like run outside, but the
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problem is is he has now like severed an artery
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and his arm is completely useless because of where he
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was shot in the shoulder where he could even move
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his arm, like you had a dead arm from that,
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and he's bleeding a lot. So fortunately he is able
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to survive, likely because very quickly Officer B had already
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radioed for assistance. They're able to get him but not
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only until after this kind of chaos happens. This man,
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they realize, has escaped. The other thing I found outside
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of Unsolf mysteries. He took the officer's gun because when
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he got shot in the arm, he lost control of
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that hands. We dropped his gun. Yeah, I think, Oh,
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did they okay? And so he is now this man
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is on the loose with a police officer's gun. Could
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be problematic, yes, So the assaultant is actually later identified
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is lied Moody, which Moody is such a great name.
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In fact, when I was in high school, I was
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in a play called Anything Goes and the main character,
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one of the main characters is a gangster and his
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name is Moony, So there you go. So he was
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on parole for armed robbery with a criminal record stretching
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back over seventeen years. Ironically, the suspect that the two
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were actually originally looking for had been arrested eighteen months earlier,
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but her name had not been removed from the computer,
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so they literally didn't even have a real reason of
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being there. But it's not hearing her there. So meanwhile,
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Moody's wanted for attempted murder. He is at large She
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has been spotted in New Mexico, California, and Colorado, and
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was last seen sometime in March of nineteen eighty five.
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Some might say, one of the best moments in time
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in history, March nineteen eighty five. So sorry say, Some
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might say.
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All right, so that's where I'm so sure mystery leaves us. Okay,
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do you have an update for us?
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You have an update for you? Captured not until two
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thousand and two, though this irritates me. I know. February
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second or February twenty second, two thousand and two, Moody
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is arrested for criminal trespassing charges in New York City.
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He actually gives the police a false not alibi alias
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named Fred Darren, but authorities were in his fingerprints in
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the database and discovered he's a one and a fugitive.
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He's extra edged to New Mexico, where he has found
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guilty of two counts of assault and aggravated battery, sentence
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at that tempt to only twelve years in prison, and
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then in November of twenty ten, is paroled after only
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serving six years. Now, Gie, this man had a criminal
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record that went back seventeen years for all kinds of
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terrible things, armed robbery like so many and he was
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on parole at the time. If he was on parole,
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why didn't that time that he should have served for
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his parole being.
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There's a lot of questions.
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I mean, and I tried to look Lyle Mooney is
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a very common I could not find a single thing
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about him that I could definitively say with him. He
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also has several aliases that he's gone by. Yeah, but
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I cannot imagine that he has kept his nose clean
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since then.
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But no, So he literally tries to kill two police
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officers and opens fire in a public space, putting in
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them on system.
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In nineteen eighty four and didn't get caught till two
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thousand and two.
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So he gets to hang out for eighteen years, and
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then he only does six years and walks free. Yep, ridiculous,
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I agree.
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Okay, Ben has got a really fun story for us.
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Buckle up, buttercut all right. This is a story of
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a Vietnam vett who is technically a pow. We get
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told the story of This is the story of Marion Shelton,
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that's the wife. She is the wife of Colonel Charles
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Shelton and Robert Steck comes on to tell us that
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he was shot down in the spring of nineteen sixty five,
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and he is to that, at least at that time
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while this is being filmed, the only serviceman who is
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still listed as a prisoner of war.
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So, did you say sorry for what warn.
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Vietnam nineteen sixty five would be Vietnam?
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Well, smarty pants, not all.
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I did say that.
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But for the record, not all of us can just
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say the year of a war and be like, oh,
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clearly that's where we were, unless it's the war of
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nineteen eighteen. Eighteen nineteen is actually what I was thinking about.
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Then I know what's wrong. Well, you what is the war?
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Clearly?
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Seventeen nineteen, eighteen nineteen, isn't it eighteen something?
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Eighteen twelve?
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Yes, that's what I meant. I was testing you. The
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war of eighteen Well, that's the only time I know
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we were talking about, and I don't even know what
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the war was about.
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All right, that's a that's a podcast for another day,
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all right. I do love Robert Stacks throw shade on
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the military right off the.
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He You can tell he's I think this man loved
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veterans and we're going to find out that sometimes they're
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not always treated the best by our own military unfortunately.
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And he throws it out pretty quickly to him.
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Yeah, he pretty much just says, representatives of the armed
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services declined to participate in the broadcast, And good for
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Robert Stack like throwing it out there holding their feet
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to the fire, because their feet should be held to
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the fire in this story.
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And I will say Unsolved Mysteries did right by inviting
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them to share their half of because we're going to
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get a lot of things that I'll be honest, I
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was a little taken.
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Aback by yeah, And I dug into a little bit
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more stuff on the general topic this. So Marion and
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Charles were high school sweethearts. They married in nineteen fifty one.
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They had five children. Charles joined the Air Force in
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nineteen fifty four and he moved up the ranks pretty quickly,
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and in nineteen sixty two he was sent to Saigon
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to train Vietnam pilots Okay. Three years later he began
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flying top secret reconnaissance missions over Laos, Okay. He was
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stationed in Japan in Okinawa, Japan, which that's where he
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was stationed. His family lived obviously because they lived with
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him and they were living on base. And on April twentieth,
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nineteen sixty five, at that time, I sor at that
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time he was leaving for several weeks at a time,
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and he was flying these missions, these top secret missions.
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He would come home, and it was back and forth,
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back and forth, because I have to look, I think
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I could be wrong. We didn't like officially declare war
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and going to Vietnam to like nineteen sixty four. I
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want to say, yeah.
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Sure, do you want me to google it? Because I
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do not have that information off the top of my head.
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So but in nineteen sixty five, the war was still
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very new and going on April twentieth, nineteen sixty five,
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he left for the last time to never be seen again.
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April twenty ninth, nineteen sixty five, which was technically Charles's
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thirty third birthday, and we get his kids are on
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telling the story. It looks like his son is a
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pastor record.
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The United States never declared war during the Vietnam conflict.
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Okay, well we were, or I everyone know we did.
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We then we did the draft.
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We can say technically we never said we were going
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to do it. Technically, we didn't say we drafted kills.
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We never said isn't that insane? We never declared war,
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but we drafted kids.
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Government. So on his thirty third birthday April twenty, nineteenety
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sixty five, his family was actually kind of throwing a
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birthday party for him, even though he wasn't there. His
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wife was throwing this party form. They were very much
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in love and she clearly loved her husband deeply.
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And here's a little bit more information just so you know. Okay,
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So the Gulf of Tonkin t O n ki N
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resolution passed by Congress August seventh, nineteen sixty four, gave
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President Glyndon B. Johnson brought authority to conduct to military
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operations in Southeast Asia without formally declaring war. So our
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government built themselves into a loophole.
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It's just kind of sueid because if Congress gave him that.
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We're the same thing, just a different words.
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Yeah, I mean, here's we all know it to be
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with a.
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Large scale deployment didn't actually ramp up until about nineteen
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sixty five, So you were right on with your kind
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of thing.
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Yeah. Yeah, So this is very early on in the war,
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so like I said, she he's shot down on April
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twenty ninth, nineteen sixty five. She finds out about it
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in the reenactment. They pretty much come and tell her, Hey,
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he's been shot down. He's okay. We've been in radio
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contact with him. We're trying to rescue him. I guess.
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They said he parachuted out over in Laos. He's in
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contact with them. They said they even had visual of him,
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but due to a massive weather change, they were unable
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to get to him, and so they weren't able to
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rescue him. He evaded capture for several days, but eventually
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he was captured. We get another a military guy on
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not representing the armed services, but just another guy. He's like, listen,
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this would have been nineteen sixty eight. He would have
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been rescued in an hour and a half. But there
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wasn't a lot of search and rescue operations in place
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and protocols, so it took way too long to get
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him out. Plus, it was Vietnam. The jungle was just
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crazy over there. I read some books on it. It
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is wild and.
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It was nothing like any of our servicemen had ever encountered.
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We have nothing here in the United States that even
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gets close to the terrain over there.
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Yeah, and it was new for us. We hadn't really
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operated in that type of It was the same one.
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Flying top secret missions too, right, So that makes things
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a little bit difficult because was he even really quote
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unquote supposed to he was exactly.
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So I read a book. I read a book years ago.
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It's actually I think it was during your gallblader surgery
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and I took off work hip.
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Hoo violation just telling everybody about my medical issues.
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And I read this book of a guy who was
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a Special Forces and he was doing secret missions in Laos,
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and it was the stories they tell is wild.
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Well, and that's I was under the impression that if
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you're doing secret stuff for the military, if you get
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yourself into trouble, you're kind of on your own because
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they can't document search and rescue for things that weren't
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supposed to be happening. And not that that is an
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excuse at all, but that there is a very innate
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risk in working in that sort of kind of realm
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of the government service.
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So Marian gets all of his effects back obviously after
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he's been captured, and she notices as she's going through
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his trunk and we were just saying he is a
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dog tags and his military ID and all that are
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in his trunk which he's technically supposed to have on
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him during the when he's out there. And then he
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has a camera in there. She develops the film and
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there's a picture of him standing next to his aircraft
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and he is in a water down suit. There's no patches,
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no insignia on his suit.
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Again makes sense if he wasn't supposed to be there.
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They were preparing where if you went down.
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It was supposed to be there because the government put
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him there.
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But yes, but the government has plausible deniability because and
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if there's no patches, they could even say it's.
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Not our guy, because Robert Stackuwan comes on and says,
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the government even to this time has it admitted that
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we were in Laos, which does kind of make hard
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what the fam that would be. I don't know, why
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would they be telling the family all of this if
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he was supposed to be there. I found out of
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my research the government didn't officially say that we did
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missions in Laos until nineteen ninety seven. So the family
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returns to Kentucky, which is where they're from, and she
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then is spending a lot of for time. She's waiting
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obviously he's a prisoner of war, but just kind of
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hoping for the best. And they're continuing to hear stories
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guys are coming back from the war. They hear stories
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that he's alive. They even get stories that he was
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extremely defiant to these people and fighting back, and he
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was trying to escape. He made multiple escape attempts. But
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unfortunately they don't hear a whole lot. They even hear
492
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a story of how he was kept in like a
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shallow grave with metal bars over the top. Just some
494
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probably a lot of horrible things you don't want to
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hear as a family, all right. January twenty seventh, nineteen
496
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seventy three, Nixon finally announces the end of the war
497
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and that within the next sixty days all prisoners would
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00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:28.079
be released. And they tell people they're getting two lists
499
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of POWs in that and they'd be contacting the family
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on if your loved one was on the list of
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people still alive or deceased, and how they died, and
502
00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:45.640
that they would be contacting all these families. After several days,
503
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the military finally does call, but he's not on the
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list of survivors, but he also his remains never return
505
00:29:55.279 --> 00:30:06.880
so they still don't know where he is shortly, so
506
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I'm trying to find my spot in my notes. April
507
00:30:09.559 --> 00:30:12.839
twenty ninth, nineteen seventy five, so technically ten years to
508
00:30:12.920 --> 00:30:18.119
the day that he was shot down, Saigon falls and
509
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a bunch of refugees end up fleeing back to the
510
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United States.
511
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Were prisoners of war that were not released. Is that
512
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what a refugee would be? Because I was confused or
513
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refugees people that were from that area and the fled.
514
00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:47.720
So I was doing research. We stopped fighting in seventy three,
515
00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:54.200
but we were fighting for not North Vietnamese. They were
516
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the ones we were fighting against, and the South Vietnamese
517
00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:01.759
we were helping, and we were helping train them and
518
00:31:01.799 --> 00:31:05.960
fighting with them. Well, they were still fighting the North Vietnamese.
519
00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:13.480
We were just not really fighting anymore. Vietnamese one and
520
00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:17.119
they did a massive They ended up taking Saigon, and
521
00:31:17.160 --> 00:31:23.079
we were still had like diplomatic presence there and that's
522
00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:26.559
where we get those pictures of them helicoptering people out
523
00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:31.200
of Saigon because they North Vietnams ended up bombing the runways,
524
00:31:31.279 --> 00:31:34.440
so planes couldn't get out, So we were helicopter in
525
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payment and we ended up leaving a lot. So all
526
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:39.960
these people that we were helping fight, and they were
527
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fighting for who if they had.
528
00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:44.839
Been still there, even if they were citizens of that country,
529
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they were.
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00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:47.519
Trying to flee, get out, and we were taking them
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in because we were trying to help them. All these
532
00:31:50.799 --> 00:31:55.440
people are coming into America and other parts of the
533
00:31:56.319 --> 00:31:59.920
free world, the Western world, and they're getting told all
534
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:02.519
these stories of oh, yeah, there's still.
535
00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:04.680
A lot, there's still a bunch of bunch of.
536
00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:09.079
Service members still alive. They're still holding them. Yeah, so
537
00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:11.720
that obviously those stories make it back to the family.
538
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:16.279
They're still now holding out hope. Marian ends up at
539
00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:21.000
some point she travels to Laos with a reporter and
540
00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:25.119
is trying to find information on her husband. She's not
541
00:32:25.240 --> 00:32:30.559
able to really find anything, get any concrete evidence. I
542
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:32.559
will say this is one thing that upset me. We
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00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:38.400
get a representative, a congressman, he was fighting for a
544
00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:41.880
lot of these POW's and he comes in and tells us.
545
00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:44.519
He's like, yeah, so these refugees they came here. They're
546
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:47.880
telling these stories of how service members are still alive,
547
00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:53.319
being held captive, and the government withheld the refugee accounts
548
00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:56.400
and put them in classified files just so pretty much
549
00:32:56.480 --> 00:32:59.599
they wouldn't have to acknowledge that this was happening.
550
00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:05.160
I'm like dark neforiin I know, it's just this bolsters
551
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:08.240
every critique I ever have. You know, I have way
552
00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:10.440
more conspiracy theory than you are, and I do not
553
00:33:11.079 --> 00:33:14.960
trust the But like, why why did you do that
554
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:16.119
to keep stuff from families?
555
00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:16.400
Why?
556
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Because you only care about yourself. You don't want any accountability,
557
00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:22.039
You don't want people to question you, and you don't
558
00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:23.920
want to have to ever say that maybe you messed up.
559
00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:26.799
I'll get on my soapbox after I tell this story.
560
00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:32.279
So Marian ends up filing for a Freedom of Information
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00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:35.160
Act for anything that has to relate to her husband,
562
00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:39.359
and she gets a bunch of information CIA documents, all
563
00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:42.920
kinds of stuff. Turns out that there was still documentation
564
00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:47.599
the CIA had, They had informants and stuff, pretty much
565
00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:53.319
saying that, hey, yet, Colonel Charles Sheldon is still alive.
566
00:33:53.920 --> 00:33:56.640
All the way up until nineteen eighty three, there was
567
00:33:56.720 --> 00:34:00.960
supposed stories that he was still alive of him trying
568
00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:05.920
to be interrogated and he killed multiple of them. Well,
569
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:07.559
he was trying to be interrogated.
570
00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:09.400
On a movie about this guy. This sounds like a
571
00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:11.360
Jason Bourne style guy.
572
00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:14.719
They supposedly he kept trying to escapes with it. They
573
00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:15.679
shot him in the leg.
574
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:21.280
That story. Yeah, so he was basically like the biggest
575
00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:22.960
pain in their backside.
576
00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:30.199
Yeah, his story was making its rounds. So obviously Marian
577
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:34.400
is fighting hard for her husband. October seventh, nineteen eighty,
578
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:39.400
there was what was called priority hearings, and they were
579
00:34:39.400 --> 00:34:43.320
trying to classify pretty much all the service members that
580
00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:49.280
were still missing as most likely killed, and they classified
581
00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:53.320
seven hundred and ninety three servicemens as presumed dead.
582
00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:57.559
Even though they had intel that they were still keeping
583
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prisoners over there.
584
00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:01.039
Yeah, but obviously they were taking taking that until keeping
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00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:06.920
it classified, and so Marion fought. She went, she fought
586
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and tried to speak about it. They still classified him
587
00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:16.440
as presumed dead. But four years later, the Secretary of
588
00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:21.440
the Air Force he refused to follow that recommendation from
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00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:30.480
the board and he classified Colonel Charles Shelton as a
590
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:35.679
POW and so that put him as still the only
591
00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:41.239
living POW in the Vietnam war. Everyone else was classified
592
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as presumed dead. So she this became her lifelong mission.
593
00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:52.800
She would go on talk shows, she'd go on national television,
594
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and she was a she.
595
00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:56.280
Takes a very sad turn at this.
596
00:35:56.079 --> 00:35:58.000
This is very sad part of the story.
597
00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:01.920
I was not expecting this. Yeah, but it makes sense.
598
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:06.079
She was a big component of the pow Mia movement
599
00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:09.199
at that time, kind of pretty much the head of it.
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She was to face, the voice and everything.
601
00:36:11.159 --> 00:36:16.280
Yeah, but she clearly was struggling with this, and she
602
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:19.599
would continually drink to the point I guess she had
603
00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:21.639
to check herself into multiple.
604
00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:24.079
LYA one of our kidses interviewed, wasn't he multiple of
605
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their children?
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00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:25.800
Yeah, and she I.
607
00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:27.519
Think it was the daughter who kind of shared just
608
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like they also lost their mom to this pow because
609
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she was And I can imagine you're hearing these stories
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that this man you've loved since you were a teenager
611
00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:43.320
is still alive across the world and you can't find
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00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:45.880
him or get to him. That would make me a
613
00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:50.079
crazy person. And then you're still campaigning and you're fighting
614
00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:54.199
this cause and your David and Goliath is the government,
615
00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:58.599
and they get they could change this, They could find
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00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:02.000
this guy. They could go in, and they just choose not to.
617
00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:05.159
So you feel like a pean. Yeah, and so it
618
00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:06.880
sounds like she turned to drinking.
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She would be.
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00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:11.039
Out campaigning and working and pushing for hours and hours
621
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and hours. She did marches and stuff, and then we'ld
622
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:17.480
just come home and sleep and drink and recover and
623
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:21.199
really kind of then stepped out of her role in
624
00:37:21.800 --> 00:37:23.360
it destroyed her life.
625
00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:28.920
Yeah. October fourth, nineteen ninety she was found dead. She
626
00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:34.079
shot herself in the head. My suicide due to all
627
00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:35.679
of this. Twenty five years.
628
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:37.679
She tried being guessed by the government.
629
00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:43.000
They play a clip of one of her speeches, and
630
00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:45.280
I wrote this down because I thought this pretty much
631
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:49.599
sums up this story. She goes, I prepared myself, as
632
00:37:49.639 --> 00:37:54.519
did my husband, for him to be wounded, captured, or killed,
633
00:37:55.320 --> 00:37:59.000
but we never prepared for him to be abandoned by
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00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:05.760
his own country. And that's pretty much where unsolved Mysteries
635
00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:09.360
leaves us. Get a few last quotes from his kids.
636
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:10.440
Yeah, and.
637
00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:13.280
So that's kind of okay.
638
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:15.840
I can't imagine that the government has taken in the
639
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:19.239
ownership or changed much about this story. So is there
640
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:20.679
any updates at all?
641
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:24.280
The only update to have is that children did request
642
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:27.360
that the Air Force officially changed his status to killed
643
00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:29.360
in action in nineteen ninety four.
644
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:31.360
He probably just wanted to put it to rest.
645
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:34.639
Well. By that time, I think it probably was safe
646
00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:38.119
to say that he was had passed away. That does
647
00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:40.559
not mean that he passed away in nineteen sixty five
648
00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:43.360
or at any point during the war. He could have
649
00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:45.559
very well been alive for many of years.
650
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:49.239
Yeah, and I can't imagine living a comfortable life.
651
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:51.079
When he was a prisoner of war.
652
00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:54.360
Yeah, and the war camps over there or the prisons
653
00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:56.239
there are no show.
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00:38:56.519 --> 00:39:00.159
So he was classified as killed in action and he
655
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:03.840
was given a graven immemorial at Arlington.
656
00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:05.000
Sey Arlington Cemetery.
657
00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:12.000
Yeah, this is my soapbox. It's very frustrating. We I
658
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:17.840
did some more research on this. Let me pull my
659
00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:23.559
note my other notes up, hope I can get it.
660
00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:30.960
I looked into how many did we actually leave behind
661
00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:36.480
in Vietnam and originally in the Vietnam War we left
662
00:39:36.519 --> 00:39:39.800
behind two thousand, six d and forty six per military
663
00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:43.679
personnel bodies and men.
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And these were men that were probably most of them
665
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:49.679
were drafted and did not even.
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Choose to this day, one five hundred and sixty six
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00:39:54.119 --> 00:40:00.880
personnel are still missing, undred and thirty three or Vietnam,
668
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:04.239
two hundred and seventy eight in Laos, forty eight in Cambodia.
669
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So obviously it was half of the amount of people
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00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:11.840
they left over there to start with, they never were
671
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able to account for.
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00:40:13.039 --> 00:40:18.079
And that's very frustrating to me because here's the thing.
673
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It's clear the military has learned their lesson with no
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man left behind. We don't leave our service and I
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00:40:26.599 --> 00:40:31.559
looked in Afghanistan, there's another We did leave behind many
676
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people that helped us, which is a tragedy, the pull
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00:40:35.199 --> 00:40:39.119
out of Afghanistan. It's a complete disaster. But service members
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we left zero.
679
00:40:41.159 --> 00:40:44.360
There was zero prisoners of war left behind, like nothing
680
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at all.
681
00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:48.239
We didn't leave any roommain and maybe if there's a
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00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:48.960
family out.
683
00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:51.800
There, yeah there is that. That isn't the case. Please
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00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:57.320
regar let us retorting to the government. No one was left.
685
00:40:58.199 --> 00:41:01.519
Just the government acknowledged that we abandoned and our allies.
686
00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:07.280
There in Afghanistan that they don't want to it. It's
687
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very clear.
688
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:09.760
Well I understand that, it's very clear.
689
00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:12.840
Yeah, but yes we did, we left. Yeah, I will say,
690
00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:15.360
I guess there are several When I did this research,
691
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there's people that had like dual citizenships, so they had
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00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:21.199
family ties there. They want they stayed there. They at
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least the government says they chose to stay.
694
00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:24.960
They chose to stay, but.
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Meaning like remains, we didn't leave any remains behind, right, Yes,
696
00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:35.880
for some reason in Vietnam we left way too many
697
00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:39.960
people behind. And then for us to have done these
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00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:45.159
secret missions in Laos and to just leave these men
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00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:49.000
behind is a tragedy. And what's very frustrating is even
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after the war ended, you said it ended, but it
701
00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:58.679
didn't because you never really acknowledged the full war. You
702
00:41:58.760 --> 00:42:01.480
never acknowledged what we were doing in Laos and in
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00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:05.360
Cambodia and any thing that happened there. You pretty much
704
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:09.360
just washed under the rug and left all of that behind.
705
00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:13.719
Very frustrating. This family, the story of this family breaks
706
00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:17.719
my heart because it didn't. They fought and the government
707
00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:21.320
just pretty much just said now, there's sorry, there's nothing
708
00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:21.800
we can do.
709
00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:28.800
Yeah. I think because we've covered another Pow story earlier
710
00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:37.400
in Unsolved Mysteries, my Rant and Rave is what probably
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00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:40.039
ninety percent of the men and women in our military
712
00:42:40.760 --> 00:42:45.519
are underpaid and underappreciated. A lot of them are kids
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00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:48.559
straight out of high school that join the military because
714
00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:51.039
they need a leg up in some way, and or
715
00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:53.679
they love their country, and they move up in the ranks,
716
00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:56.320
and they do all these things, but they're never promoted
717
00:42:56.360 --> 00:43:03.159
to office or status or VIP or executives uses, and
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00:43:03.199 --> 00:43:05.800
a lot of their basic needs are quote unquote taken
719
00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:11.519
care of. But they are treated sometimes by our government
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00:43:11.880 --> 00:43:14.159
who sit there in their million dollar offices, in their
721
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private parking spots, and their personal chauffeurs, and their expense accounts,
722
00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:23.000
and their lunch accounts and their comped accounts, and their
723
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:25.760
free travel all over the world where they get to
724
00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:28.480
swim in bathtubs with money and hire women of the night.
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00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:32.960
And then we treat these men and women like a
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commodity that is completely expendable. And nothing makes me more angry,
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00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:49.599
because you self, inflated wannabes in Congress and in government
728
00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:54.360
in leadership, could not do what you are doing without
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00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:57.400
the men and women that lace up their boots and
730
00:43:57.480 --> 00:44:00.719
drag themselves through mud at boot camp and kiss their
731
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babies on the forehead, and leave their wives and children
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00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:09.079
for months at a time and come home to their
733
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basic four bedroom, four bedroom power or you know, three
734
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bedroom hoouses and just try to keep the lights on,
735
00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:18.960
and you act as if you cannot be bothered to
736
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give an ounce of respect. And I know that not
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00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:24.159
every cong we have some congressmen and women that definitely
738
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fight for our veterans and stuff. But I just feel
739
00:44:26.199 --> 00:44:30.760
like there is this huge disconnect between what power we
740
00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:34.920
have as America in the world governments, how quickly we
741
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:36.960
forget the way we got there was on the back
742
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:39.480
the backs of men and women who are willing to
743
00:44:40.159 --> 00:44:41.880
put their lives on the line every day.
744
00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:46.079
I agree the utmost respect for any man that puts
745
00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:48.079
on the uniform, any man or woman that puts on
746
00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:53.599
the uniform. And so it is a tragedy to me
747
00:44:53.679 --> 00:45:00.760
that you ask these people to go sacrifice themselves their lives,
748
00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:05.239
put themselves in danger, and the least you can do
749
00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:10.400
is do everything in your power to bring them home.
750
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:12.119
Or be honest that you're not willing to do it.
751
00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:17.360
No, no, no, no, that's your job, is the government.
752
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:22.480
I agree, an everything own up to what how cowardless
753
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:25.480
you are. But the fact that you continue to lie
754
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:29.679
and hide and pretend makes you the worst of the worst.
755
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:33.320
You can't to me, even trying to own it is
756
00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:38.800
not your job. You work for the people. Your job
757
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:41.960
is to protect them to the best of their ability,
758
00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:45.599
and then when they do make that ultimate sacrifice, do
759
00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:49.519
everything you can to bring them home and do were wrong.
760
00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:53.039
Like I've read some books on Vietnam and and when
761
00:45:53.400 --> 00:45:58.239
helicopters went down in jungles, they would try and sometimes
762
00:45:58.239 --> 00:46:00.559
it was so thick that even a helicopter going down,
763
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:03.840
they couldn't find it. And they tried. They tried to
764
00:46:03.880 --> 00:46:06.599
find these helicopters and find these men and bring them home.
765
00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:11.559
And that was a tragedy. Unfortunately, I don't think the
766
00:46:11.599 --> 00:46:15.559
technology has existed at that time to know exactly where
767
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:18.880
those those helicopters went down. So I know a lot
768
00:46:18.920 --> 00:46:22.639
of those service members that didn't come home were the
769
00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:26.320
result of that. Like I read a book from a
770
00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:31.519
helicopter pricy because sometimes once it went under the canopy
771
00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:35.079
of the judg yeah, you were gone, Like there was
772
00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:35.880
no finding the.
773
00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:39.280
Whole Vietnam Warn't itself is a tread. It is literally
774
00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:41.519
a tragedy from start to finish.
775
00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:45.440
That wasn't this case. The government made no effort to
776
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:48.000
bring this man home, and so.
777
00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:50.079
They made an effort to pretend to hide it.
778
00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:53.199
That's where I have this massive promise. You didn't make
779
00:46:53.559 --> 00:46:58.639
any effort, and no service members should feel like he
780
00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:00.559
was left behind.
781
00:47:01.239 --> 00:47:03.719
I agree. Well, I hope his kids have found some
782
00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:06.880
comfort and solace and find joy in their life, and
783
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:08.480
I wish them nothing but the best.
784
00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:11.639
It's just too big, is that family when they lost
785
00:47:11.719 --> 00:47:13.920
their dad to the war, and then they lost their
786
00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:15.440
mom to her.
787
00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:17.159
Personal war to fight for her husband.
788
00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:20.960
Yes, they lost both their parents to that tragedy.
789
00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:25.039
Yeah. Well, my personal opinion, the government should compensate them.
790
00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:27.320
They should be entitled. They should have filed a civil
791
00:47:27.400 --> 00:47:30.480
lawsuit against him. Okay, I'm going to tell you a
792
00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:35.360
story about a young woman named Rebecca Young. So May one,
793
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nineteen ninety one, a nine to one to one dispatcher
794
00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:43.280
in Miami, Florida receives a call from a man claiming
795
00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:49.559
he had witnessed a horrific murder in Belligate, about eighty
796
00:47:49.639 --> 00:47:52.800
miles north of Miami. I did do a little bit
797
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:55.039
more research on this area. We're going to find out
798
00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:58.599
this area is they grow sugarcane, and in order to
799
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:02.000
grow sugar, cane there you have the water levels have
800
00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:05.360
to be like raised, like it's like soggy ground everywhere.
801
00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:08.119
It's like living in like muck. They call it. The
802
00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:12.719
actual term for like the landscape is muck landscape. So
803
00:48:12.760 --> 00:48:17.039
everything's just soggy and wet all the time, which sounds
804
00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:19.119
like I can't breathe when I talk about it. So
805
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:24.000
he had also found he'd also seen part of the
806
00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:27.840
killer's license plate number, and the dispatcher was struggling to
807
00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:31.280
understand him because he was speaking very rapidly and also
808
00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:38.719
in Spanish. There's actually several places you can find this
809
00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:41.039
nine one one recording. I tried to listen to it.
810
00:48:41.320 --> 00:48:44.679
First off, the recording is not great quality. The man
811
00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:48.039
is calling from a payphone, the connections not great. He
812
00:48:48.159 --> 00:48:53.119
is speaking very fast. He's speaking in very fast Spanish.
813
00:48:53.239 --> 00:48:55.480
It is hard to understand, and even to this day
814
00:48:56.079 --> 00:48:59.039
I could barely even make out the words he was
815
00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:03.880
saying in his own language. So she connects him with
816
00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:08.239
a detective name Bert Blanco. I'm going to assume the
817
00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:10.559
reason she did that is because Bert is probably a
818
00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:14.239
better Spanish speaker than she was. We don't really say
819
00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:17.719
that's what I'm juststrying. They just said that she did.
820
00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:20.280
She moved him over to detective who maybe could understand
821
00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:20.679
it better.
822
00:49:21.239 --> 00:49:24.159
So because it could speak Spanish.
823
00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:26.840
And I wanted to realize. In the nineties in Miami
824
00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:31.559
it was a melting pot of Spanish cultures because you
825
00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:37.480
had Cuban a lot of people who had fled Cuba.
826
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:41.920
You are also very close to the east side of
827
00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:44.199
like Mexicos. Like this, you get a lot of people
828
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:47.880
that come through. It is a very and you're close
829
00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:50.480
to like Spain and all of this stuff. It is
830
00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:52.960
a mixture of these cultures.
831
00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:54.800
I think it's still that way, oh.
832
00:49:54.880 --> 00:49:57.840
One hundred percent, but it was. It was Miami was
833
00:49:57.880 --> 00:50:01.440
booming because of what was happening with was Fidel Castro
834
00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:04.880
in that area. We also had the drug wars happening
835
00:50:04.880 --> 00:50:07.239
at that time. Miami was a wild place, so there's
836
00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:13.400
a there's a lot's happening in this area. So the
837
00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:16.840
nine one one caller, in a very rushed and nervous voice,
838
00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:24.280
describes a gruesome murder he had witnessed. I founds they
839
00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:26.599
said days earlier. I found it was. He had waited
840
00:50:26.639 --> 00:50:32.360
a week before he called in. So he tells detective Burt.
841
00:50:32.679 --> 00:50:35.760
No word on where Ernie was. That he had been
842
00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:40.639
hunting illegally in a sugar cane field. It did find
843
00:50:40.639 --> 00:50:42.840
out he was hunting rabbits, and that's going to be
844
00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:45.800
important here in a second. Well, I can tell you
845
00:50:45.880 --> 00:50:48.159
now he had a gun in the reenactment, and it
846
00:50:48.199 --> 00:50:52.440
looked like he had a freaking huge shotgun in the reenactment.
847
00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:57.440
I did some more research hunting rabbits, especially illegally, which
848
00:50:57.480 --> 00:50:59.199
I didn't know it was illegal to hunt rabbits in
849
00:50:59.239 --> 00:51:03.639
the first place. More questions on that, because you would
850
00:51:03.639 --> 00:51:05.480
have not wanted to make a lot of noise. It's
851
00:51:05.719 --> 00:51:08.039
likely that he had a little teeny tiny either a
852
00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:10.320
BB gun or like what's the next step up of
853
00:51:10.360 --> 00:51:10.880
twenty two?
854
00:51:12.440 --> 00:51:16.440
Yeah, yeah, because probably not a BB gun.
855
00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:19.519
I'm just telling you they said that you can hunt
856
00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:22.400
rabbits with a BB gun. I don't know how much
857
00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:24.039
you're going to damage you're going to do with that,
858
00:51:24.199 --> 00:51:27.079
but that's just what Google told me. Because my first
859
00:51:27.159 --> 00:51:30.719
question is, and I get fears, everyone has fight or
860
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:33.519
flight syndrome, but I'm like, this guy saw this happening
861
00:51:33.559 --> 00:51:36.400
and he had a freaking According to the reenactment, a
862
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:42.440
humungo like shotgun in his hand. Why didn't he do anything?
863
00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:45.480
And maybe that's unfair to him, but it sounds like
864
00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:49.559
it's likely he didn't really have a violent gun. I
865
00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:52.119
don't know there are anything such as not a violent gun.
866
00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:56.719
I'm sorry, what a violent.
867
00:51:56.440 --> 00:52:00.920
Gun on the scale of BB gun to what's the
868
00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:10.760
most aggressive gun an automatic assault rifle? Maybe he had
869
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:13.159
like on the he was on the very bottom level
870
00:52:13.239 --> 00:52:17.840
of the violence of the guns people are wielding. The
871
00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:20.719
mark you got them? Okay? Powerful? Is that better? The
872
00:52:20.719 --> 00:52:23.760
most damage it can be created? That's what I mean
873
00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:27.199
by violent is damage? Okay? The BB gun and the
874
00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:31.119
twenty two. In comparison with a bazooka, the damage created
875
00:52:31.239 --> 00:52:36.440
is very different. True, true, Ben.
876
00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:42.280
I guess I don't know who rabbit with a bazuka.
877
00:52:42.639 --> 00:52:44.719
There's not going to be any of the rabbits not
878
00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:48.280
going to be left. So choose your weapon wisely, as
879
00:52:48.280 --> 00:52:52.519
they say at the beginning of most video games. So
880
00:52:55.039 --> 00:53:00.400
any whoseles? So he is in a sugarcane field, huntings
881
00:53:01.360 --> 00:53:05.400
with a little tiny gun. He hears a vehicle approaching. Obviously,
882
00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:08.079
since it appears that he is not supposed to be there,
883
00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:12.679
he ducks into the sugar cane and ducks down and hides.
884
00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:15.800
As he's hiding through the sugarcane, he can see a
885
00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:20.239
blue Ford Bronco pull up and a man and a
886
00:53:20.239 --> 00:53:23.320
woman get out of the vehicle, and the man's name
887
00:53:23.480 --> 00:53:29.119
appears to be Ricardo because she calls him by that name, So,
888
00:53:29.199 --> 00:53:32.800
according to the caller, the two begin a very heated argument.
889
00:53:33.079 --> 00:53:36.880
Apparently the assumption is that this might be over some
890
00:53:36.920 --> 00:53:39.719
sort of drug debt or drugs in some way, shape
891
00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:42.280
or form. We have zero confirmation on that, but that's
892
00:53:42.320 --> 00:53:45.800
what his assumption is. The man demands money, the woman
893
00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:48.480
says she doesn't have it. Another man gets out of
894
00:53:48.519 --> 00:53:52.039
the car. He believes that the man might be Cuban,
895
00:53:53.360 --> 00:54:00.440
and then the conversation or argument is escalating an esque lading,
896
00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:06.159
and the caller believes that Ricardo is likely Mexican based
897
00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:09.199
on the way he spoke. I'm not sure why he
898
00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:12.000
thought the other gentleman was Cuban, but that's what we have.
899
00:54:12.679 --> 00:54:16.880
And the woman shouts, Ricardo, don't kill me, Ricardo, and
900
00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:20.280
he then I.
901
00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:25.679
Work with Cubans, Puerto Ricans, and I mean sound ignorant.
902
00:54:26.039 --> 00:54:30.559
And I don't know if you lined them up and said, hey,
903
00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:34.440
can you tell me who like, not even I could
904
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:37.199
believe that they all distinctly look very different or have
905
00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:40.800
different things. I couldn't tell you which area they were from.
906
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:45.199
I mean you, well, I work with multiple Puerto Ricans.
907
00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:48.760
Their accent and the way they speak is very distinct.
908
00:54:48.519 --> 00:54:51.199
This time in San Juan, which is in Puerto Rico.
909
00:54:51.559 --> 00:54:55.039
Do you really have a Barack Obama statue? Yeah, I
910
00:54:55.039 --> 00:55:00.639
know from that song and casino or and slot machines
911
00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:01.519
in the bus station.
912
00:55:02.760 --> 00:55:05.559
From that song. Yeah, I'm saying so I work with
913
00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:14.039
uh Puerto Ricans, Cubans, and guys from Mexico. Ask them.
914
00:55:14.719 --> 00:55:17.519
They will be able to tell you, oh, he's this,
915
00:55:17.719 --> 00:55:20.760
he's that, because of their accent, the way they speak. Yeah,
916
00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:22.880
it's very here in America.
917
00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:27.760
If you said, who's from Brooklyn, who's from Louisiana or
918
00:55:27.800 --> 00:55:30.400
whose Cajun like, I would be able to tell you
919
00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:30.920
those things.
920
00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:33.239
So I think it's important because it's clear this guy
921
00:55:33.280 --> 00:55:36.119
that is speaking speaks he is of some type of
922
00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:40.000
Hispanic descent. Yeah, and it's the important like, yeah, one
923
00:55:40.039 --> 00:55:42.480
of them was this, one of them was Cuban, one
924
00:55:42.519 --> 00:55:45.320
of them was Mexican, and he probably didn't know because
925
00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:48.119
of the way they spoke, and they're the way their accent.
926
00:55:48.199 --> 00:55:52.760
That's a good point. So then he goes on to
927
00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:56.599
describe one of the most brutal murders I think we've
928
00:55:56.679 --> 00:55:59.719
seen at least on unsolved mysteries. Yet this man watches
929
00:55:59.800 --> 00:56:04.519
this happened, and I can't imagine seeing this in real life.
930
00:56:04.760 --> 00:56:11.760
The man, the Mexican man, repeatedly strikes her until she
931
00:56:11.880 --> 00:56:19.159
is dead with a machete. Yeah, they showed in the
932
00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:23.360
reenactment him having It's hard as the reenactment looks like
933
00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:25.559
he has either a baseball bat or he has got
934
00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:28.559
something silver in his hand, but you can't really tell that.
935
00:56:28.639 --> 00:56:33.679
It's like a full on machete. He literally whacks her
936
00:56:34.039 --> 00:56:36.360
with the blade side until she dies.
937
00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:38.639
This is like.
938
00:56:40.519 --> 00:56:42.880
Cartel, That's what it made me think of, right, is
939
00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:49.119
a very cartel esque murder style. A machete is no joke. Yeah,
940
00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:51.760
but that seems very in line with some of the
941
00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:55.880
cartel murders that living on the Southern border we've seen
942
00:56:55.920 --> 00:56:56.440
and heard of.
943
00:56:57.400 --> 00:57:01.159
Maam, he's like big oh cartels.
944
00:57:01.280 --> 00:57:05.320
Oh yeah, especially in the early nineties. Yeah, I'm sure
945
00:57:05.360 --> 00:57:09.840
there was territories and all kinds of stuff. Yeah, So
946
00:57:10.239 --> 00:57:12.559
the other man in him. Once this woman has passed away,
947
00:57:12.679 --> 00:57:17.000
drag her body and take off terrify that he would
948
00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:18.559
be seen and obviously killed.
949
00:57:18.639 --> 00:57:18.880
Two.
950
00:57:19.400 --> 00:57:22.320
The caller dropped to his knees and hides until the
951
00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:27.199
bronco drives away, and as they're driving away, he remembers
952
00:57:27.199 --> 00:57:29.800
seeing a seven and a two on the license plate.
953
00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:34.119
So he flees the area and about a week later
954
00:57:34.320 --> 00:57:38.519
he decides like he has to report this and he
955
00:57:38.599 --> 00:57:41.960
tells the police that the Sugar king Field is located
956
00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:46.639
behind a building shaped like an ice cream cone, and
957
00:57:47.800 --> 00:57:51.880
no joke. The next shot on Unsolved Mysteries is a
958
00:57:51.880 --> 00:57:55.519
building that looks exactly like an ice cream cone. It
959
00:57:55.679 --> 00:57:59.119
is a plastic ice cream cone building, and it's like
960
00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:02.480
called the Swirly Curly or the Churst Tasty Swirl or
961
00:58:03.440 --> 00:58:06.599
Tasty Treats, Wirly Treats, something like that ice cream place.
962
00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:10.039
Seems like a popular chain. It's still in business in
963
00:58:10.119 --> 00:58:16.400
and around the Florida areas today. I've never eaten at
964
00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:20.360
one of these personally, but Detective Frank Mayo looks like
965
00:58:20.440 --> 00:58:23.000
he has frequented a few of these Tasty Treats before
966
00:58:23.079 --> 00:58:25.800
he knew exactly what he was talking about So he's
967
00:58:25.840 --> 00:58:31.480
with the Palm Beach not I'm just saying it look
968
00:58:31.559 --> 00:58:33.599
like he enjoyed a tasty treat.
969
00:58:33.679 --> 00:58:35.639
We all enjoy a tasty from.
970
00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:38.360
The Frosty Freeze or whatever. The place is called the
971
00:58:38.360 --> 00:58:39.119
Twisty Turley.
972
00:58:40.480 --> 00:58:42.719
How many different names are you in and give this place?
973
00:58:44.519 --> 00:58:49.599
So Frank, Detective Frank says, oh, yeah, Sally Sue at
974
00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:52.639
the Curly Toiley ice cream store. He stopped in their first,
975
00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:54.920
grabbed a cone, and he's got a cone, and he's
976
00:58:55.039 --> 00:59:00.159
driving down through the sugar cane fields and he is
977
00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:03.800
able to locate the body. Oh, I wrote it down.
978
00:59:04.119 --> 00:59:09.280
Tristy Tristy Twisty Treat is the name of the place.
979
00:59:09.400 --> 00:59:11.280
So we didn't have to go through all those names.
980
00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:12.559
You had it right now.
981
00:59:12.599 --> 00:59:14.320
You know, there's a bunch of million dollar ideas there.
982
00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:15.920
If you want to open an ice cream shop, I've
983
00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:18.239
got all those. They're free to use any of them.
984
00:59:18.280 --> 00:59:19.559
Just name one of the ice.
985
00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:22.440
Creams after the unsolved couple the name from.
986
00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:24.360
It just had to go down farther in my notes.
987
00:59:25.239 --> 00:59:29.559
So he stops to investigate something within this tall grass.
988
00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:32.960
He notices he realizes the body of the woman. However,
989
00:59:33.159 --> 00:59:36.639
due to the advanced decomposition, he could not determine her
990
00:59:36.760 --> 00:59:43.039
race or identity, but immediately notifies headquarters. A team of
991
00:59:43.079 --> 00:59:46.079
investigators stops real quick for an ice cream cone, and
992
00:59:46.119 --> 00:59:49.559
then his dispatch to the scene. Detective Mark Lewis described
993
00:59:49.559 --> 00:59:53.320
this as a particularly heinous crime. I'm just picturing these
994
00:59:53.360 --> 00:59:55.519
men all sitting around a sugar cane filled with vanilla
995
00:59:55.559 --> 01:00:00.559
cones in their hands, believing that a killer had completely
996
01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:04.039
disregard for human life. Investigators determined that the woman had
997
01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:10.679
died from multiple wounds, presumably inflicted with a machete, so
998
01:00:10.760 --> 01:00:12.719
the storybacks up to the gentleman on the nine one
999
01:00:12.840 --> 01:00:16.800
one call. She had been there for at least a week,
1000
01:00:16.840 --> 01:00:20.920
if not longer, because she had begun to mummify, although
1001
01:00:20.920 --> 01:00:25.960
most of her fingers had already turned to skeleton. Investigators
1002
01:00:25.960 --> 01:00:29.400
are able to obtain a thumb print from her right hand,
1003
01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:34.079
and she is identified as Rebecca Young, a twenty one
1004
01:00:34.119 --> 01:00:39.840
year old resident of Belliglade. Rebecca had already experienced tragedy life.
1005
01:00:39.880 --> 01:00:44.679
Ironically and sadly, her mother was also murdered. I tried
1006
01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:47.920
to look into her mother's murder to see if there
1007
01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:51.159
was any information. If it had been solved, if there
1008
01:00:51.239 --> 01:00:55.079
was an investigation, if there was an update or tip
1009
01:00:55.119 --> 01:00:59.159
line or anything. There is nothing about her mother's murder
1010
01:00:59.159 --> 01:01:02.159
available online. Nothing no one's looking at. I can't find
1011
01:01:02.199 --> 01:01:07.239
anything about it. And I was at a loss that
1012
01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:13.079
we couldn't find this, but sadly, I'm not surprised. So
1013
01:01:13.400 --> 01:01:17.079
when Rebecca's twelve, her mother is murdered and she then
1014
01:01:17.239 --> 01:01:22.000
goes live with her aunt, Lucille, who is interviewed on
1015
01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:25.719
Unsolved Mysteries and seems like the aunt of a lifetime.
1016
01:01:26.159 --> 01:01:30.440
She is like loves because there's Rebecca as a younger brother,
1017
01:01:31.079 --> 01:01:35.280
and her aunt takes her and her brother in and
1018
01:01:35.360 --> 01:01:38.360
she just has like nothing but amazing things that she
1019
01:01:38.800 --> 01:01:44.320
describes their relationship as part friendship, part sisterhood, part mother,
1020
01:01:44.480 --> 01:01:47.320
part daughter. She refers to like they were each other's grandparents.
1021
01:01:47.320 --> 01:01:50.519
It seems like they these three were just had each
1022
01:01:50.519 --> 01:01:54.639
other and that that relationship meant everything. And she said
1023
01:01:54.679 --> 01:01:58.840
Rebecca was quiet and shy and kind and just loved
1024
01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:01.800
being around people as far as like if anyone need anything,
1025
01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:06.280
she was like the girl to go to. So police
1026
01:02:06.440 --> 01:02:09.480
obviously now have to try to investigate Rebecca's background or
1027
01:02:09.480 --> 01:02:12.320
something that we called victimology and find out who she'd
1028
01:02:12.360 --> 01:02:17.440
interacted with it could have potentially wanted to end her life.
1029
01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:21.559
And after high school sadly, Rebecca becomes involved with a
1030
01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:24.880
man who is known as a petty criminal and he
1031
01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:29.159
and I will say Unsolved Mysteries talks about it that
1032
01:02:29.239 --> 01:02:35.239
he introduced her into drugs and prostitution and threatened to
1033
01:02:35.280 --> 01:02:37.719
her that if she didn't stay in this lifestyle that
1034
01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:41.639
he would beat her an intimidator for the record, today
1035
01:02:41.880 --> 01:02:47.639
we call that human trafficking. And that's actually what's so
1036
01:02:47.719 --> 01:02:50.920
scary about human trafficking is we think you and I
1037
01:02:50.920 --> 01:02:53.760
have talked about this before. That movie What Was It
1038
01:02:53.800 --> 01:02:59.239
Taken showed this crazy story of uh is it Liam
1039
01:02:59.320 --> 01:03:03.239
Nilsen or whatever his name is, you know, goes after
1040
01:03:03.280 --> 01:03:06.079
his daughter who is like kidnapped as she lands in
1041
01:03:06.159 --> 01:03:08.400
Paris and all of this stuff. And we have this
1042
01:03:08.480 --> 01:03:11.000
in our mind that human trafficking looks like that, that
1043
01:03:11.079 --> 01:03:15.559
it's a movie, and it doesn't happen very often. Ninety
1044
01:03:15.639 --> 01:03:18.559
nine point nine percent of the time, human trafficking looks
1045
01:03:18.599 --> 01:03:22.159
like this. A man lures a woman in, makes her
1046
01:03:22.239 --> 01:03:25.199
fall in love with him, and then literally entraps her
1047
01:03:25.239 --> 01:03:28.320
in this lifestyle and gives her no choice. And I
1048
01:03:28.320 --> 01:03:30.239
think that this young, sweet girl by the age of
1049
01:03:30.320 --> 01:03:37.000
twenty one has been trafficked in her own hometown is heartbreaking.
1050
01:03:38.360 --> 01:03:43.920
And while they don't believe that he actually contributed physically
1051
01:03:44.000 --> 01:03:49.079
to her murder, they believe that in his line of work,
1052
01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:52.079
or because he robbed people, or he might have wronged
1053
01:03:52.119 --> 01:03:56.199
somebody in the drug world, especially with the cartels and
1054
01:03:56.280 --> 01:04:00.440
Columbia being so close and present in that area, that
1055
01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:07.199
maybe Rebecca was left to suffer the consequences. So fast
1056
01:04:07.199 --> 01:04:10.559
forward May fourteenth, nineteen ninety one, we get this weird thing.
1057
01:04:10.599 --> 01:04:13.199
I actually don't think this ends up being anything long term,
1058
01:04:13.239 --> 01:04:15.840
but Unsolved Mysteries talks about it, so I'll let you know.
1059
01:04:16.639 --> 01:04:19.559
They determined they might have a possible suspect, a local
1060
01:04:19.639 --> 01:04:24.840
man who reportedly told a sex worker likely another traffic victim,
1061
01:04:25.360 --> 01:04:28.800
that he had taken the life of an African American woman.
1062
01:04:29.360 --> 01:04:32.840
Police pull him over. He appears to be heavily intoxicated.
1063
01:04:33.559 --> 01:04:35.440
The guy that pulled him over said they had the
1064
01:04:35.599 --> 01:04:39.679
questions for him about this murder, and he immediately lawyers
1065
01:04:39.760 --> 01:04:43.199
up and they had to let him go. And they
1066
01:04:43.199 --> 01:04:46.440
have no evidence tying him to the murder, so he's released.
1067
01:04:46.480 --> 01:04:51.119
Despite that, investigators remain convinced that it's likely he was involved.
1068
01:04:52.079 --> 01:04:55.440
So police are now conducting all out search for the
1069
01:04:55.480 --> 01:04:59.559
elusive eyewitness. That that's what Unsolved Mysteries is actually trying
1070
01:04:59.599 --> 01:05:02.840
to find. They want to find the gentleman that called
1071
01:05:02.920 --> 01:05:05.000
nine to one one so that they can maybe get
1072
01:05:05.039 --> 01:05:08.480
more information from him. Little is known about him. His
1073
01:05:08.559 --> 01:05:11.280
name is Antonio. He called from a payphone because he
1074
01:05:11.280 --> 01:05:14.559
claims he does not have a phone at home, and
1075
01:05:14.639 --> 01:05:18.119
the police believe that his accent sounded like he was
1076
01:05:18.199 --> 01:05:26.119
originally from Cuba, So they are wanting him to know
1077
01:05:26.360 --> 01:05:28.719
that he will not be charged with any crimes for
1078
01:05:28.800 --> 01:05:30.440
coming forward. I think they want to let that know
1079
01:05:30.599 --> 01:05:33.079
because I think there's a likelihood that he was here
1080
01:05:33.119 --> 01:05:35.400
in the country illegally, or that he was nervous because
1081
01:05:35.400 --> 01:05:39.320
he was out hunting rabbits illegally, or probably on property
1082
01:05:39.320 --> 01:05:42.320
he wasn't supposed to be on, and that he can
1083
01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:47.880
come forward with no consequences in regards to that. And
1084
01:05:47.920 --> 01:05:51.480
that is kind of where Unsolved Mystery believes us.
1085
01:05:51.920 --> 01:05:56.239
All right, give us an update and make it good.
1086
01:05:57.199 --> 01:06:02.519
Unfortunately, this crime remains not just a little unsolved, but
1087
01:06:02.760 --> 01:06:06.559
ice cold, and it doesn't seem that anyone in this county,
1088
01:06:06.719 --> 01:06:11.079
Palm Beach County, gives two shizzes about this getting solved.
1089
01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:14.000
There hasn't been a single update on this since like
1090
01:06:14.079 --> 01:06:18.239
nineteen ninety two, nineteen ninety three, the show went cold
1091
01:06:18.239 --> 01:06:20.800
went on it, and that guy has a reputation of
1092
01:06:20.840 --> 01:06:24.760
like going deep and finding amazing sources. He couldn't find
1093
01:06:24.800 --> 01:06:27.800
a single thing on this either. Literally, this girl has
1094
01:06:27.800 --> 01:06:31.840
been completely forgotten. There's no update that this man ever
1095
01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:35.000
called in. Again, no one has ever claimed that their
1096
01:06:35.039 --> 01:06:37.559
father or their grandfather, uncle, or brother was the man
1097
01:06:37.639 --> 01:06:42.719
that did this. There's nothing out there, no movement, no nothing.
1098
01:06:43.000 --> 01:06:46.079
This was Jack Park tells at that point.
1099
01:06:46.480 --> 01:06:50.119
Man, So I'll say this, if you have any information
1100
01:06:50.159 --> 01:06:52.719
about the murder of Rebecca Young, please contact the Palm
1101
01:06:52.800 --> 01:06:58.599
Beach Sheriff County Office at five six' one six eight eight.
1102
01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:08.599
Three you can remain. ANONYMOUS i, mean it's very possible
1103
01:07:08.679 --> 01:07:11.320
that the men that did this were involved with. Cartel
1104
01:07:11.559 --> 01:07:15.760
they may have even been here illegally as. Well it's
1105
01:07:15.800 --> 01:07:19.760
a heartbreaking story because it doesn't BECAUSE i even look
1106
01:07:19.880 --> 01:07:25.000
to SEE i they kept saying that they thought maybe
1107
01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:26.679
this is drug, related or at least that's what the
1108
01:07:26.760 --> 01:07:30.360
nine one one car. Thought they didn't release anything about
1109
01:07:30.360 --> 01:07:32.639
this woman's. AUTOPSY i don't know if she even had
1110
01:07:32.719 --> 01:07:36.840
drugs in her. SYSTEM i don't think she was the.
1111
01:07:36.960 --> 01:07:40.199
Problem most of the, time when people want their, money
1112
01:07:40.199 --> 01:07:42.320
they don't take out the life of the person whose
1113
01:07:42.400 --> 01:07:44.840
money they. Want they tend to hurt the people closest
1114
01:07:44.840 --> 01:07:46.800
to them that they think we're going to get our.
1115
01:07:46.800 --> 01:07:51.880
Money but there was two men, involved so there was
1116
01:07:51.920 --> 01:07:55.719
a witness to this. CRIME i also if this was
1117
01:07:55.760 --> 01:08:00.440
a blue For, bronco the town wasn't very. Big it
1118
01:08:00.519 --> 01:08:03.760
was north Of, miami but it wasn't, huge and they
1119
01:08:03.800 --> 01:08:06.199
had two, numbers and it could at least limit it
1120
01:08:06.239 --> 01:08:08.320
down a little. Bit don't you think.
1121
01:08:09.679 --> 01:08:12.199
If it's the drunk card, tails they probably came From
1122
01:08:12.199 --> 01:08:17.479
miami and drove up. THERE i don't. KNOW i JUST
1123
01:08:17.960 --> 01:08:18.319
i don't.
1124
01:08:18.319 --> 01:08:20.880
Know it's just sad that literally no one has spoken
1125
01:08:20.880 --> 01:08:23.680
about this, since Like Unsolved mysteries featured.
1126
01:08:23.720 --> 01:08:25.520
It, yeah it. Is it's a sad.
1127
01:08:25.560 --> 01:08:31.079
Story, Yeah SO i don't. Know, okay all, right we've
1128
01:08:31.119 --> 01:08:33.880
got our next story THAT i offered to. Take SO
1129
01:08:33.960 --> 01:08:36.199
i went and did all my research and did my,
1130
01:08:36.319 --> 01:08:39.560
notes and Then ben had a temper. Tantrum, oh so
1131
01:08:39.640 --> 01:08:40.680
would you like to tell the?
1132
01:08:40.720 --> 01:08:49.159
Story, yeah this is an ALERT fbi called Special. Alert,
1133
01:08:49.600 --> 01:08:55.399
okay because we have an escaped, Prisoner Richard lee. McNair
1134
01:08:57.079 --> 01:09:00.840
he escaped from A North Dakota state. Penitentiary it told
1135
01:09:00.920 --> 01:09:05.520
he was a model. Prisoner even helped with like.
1136
01:09:06.800 --> 01:09:12.319
THAT i would, like did you have? This what the
1137
01:09:12.359 --> 01:09:16.359
timeline on this model? PRISONER? Bs, no BUT i met
1138
01:09:16.399 --> 01:09:16.880
you DO i?
1139
01:09:16.880 --> 01:09:17.039
Do?
1140
01:09:17.239 --> 01:09:22.760
Okay, okay he is, told we are told when this,
1141
01:09:22.920 --> 01:09:26.119
airs which is about nineteen ninety, two, right that he
1142
01:09:26.199 --> 01:09:28.640
was a model, prisoner and all these people at the
1143
01:09:28.640 --> 01:09:31.199
prison are acting like this was the most shocking information
1144
01:09:31.239 --> 01:09:33.199
because he was part of The Scared straight, program which,
1145
01:09:33.640 --> 01:09:35.479
WHATEVER i went to The Scared straight.
1146
01:09:35.239 --> 01:09:38.239
Program and it doesn't scare you?
1147
01:09:38.279 --> 01:09:41.000
Straight, WELL i got permission to go there as a
1148
01:09:41.039 --> 01:09:44.800
goody two. Shoe i've already shared that information here on another,
1149
01:09:44.840 --> 01:09:45.920
podcast an earlier.
1150
01:09:45.960 --> 01:09:46.640
Episode but.
1151
01:09:48.439 --> 01:09:51.680
The best part is WHEN i actually looked to the
1152
01:09:51.720 --> 01:09:56.680
timeline of this man's like track. Record he and another
1153
01:09:56.880 --> 01:10:01.319
inmate had tried to escape in nineteen ninety, one got
1154
01:10:01.399 --> 01:10:03.359
fairly far with it before they failed their.
1155
01:10:03.399 --> 01:10:07.439
Attempt he also tried to escape when he originally and got. Arrested,
1156
01:10:08.159 --> 01:10:11.720
yes so how that before he even went on.
1157
01:10:11.760 --> 01:10:14.039
TRIAL i just feel like the guy was like trying
1158
01:10:14.119 --> 01:10:16.199
to feed us a line of bs. At this guy's
1159
01:10:16.279 --> 01:10:21.079
absolutely absolutely as a model, inmate except less than a year.
1160
01:10:21.119 --> 01:10:25.840
Ago he had like a ninety percent successful attempt already
1161
01:10:25.880 --> 01:10:28.479
once and then you let him work around kids where
1162
01:10:28.520 --> 01:10:31.720
he had all this extra like access to areas of
1163
01:10:31.720 --> 01:10:32.960
the prison he normally wouldn't.
1164
01:10:32.960 --> 01:10:34.880
Have what did you read the story of when he
1165
01:10:34.960 --> 01:10:38.039
tried to escape when he was originally like being charged
1166
01:10:38.079 --> 01:10:39.199
and interviewed for The.
1167
01:10:39.359 --> 01:10:42.239
Oh did You i've Been i've got Some i've got
1168
01:10:42.279 --> 01:10:46.000
a handful of his tips and tricks down. Below afterwards
1169
01:10:46.000 --> 01:10:51.359
we can go, Over, yeah did you watch the dash cam? Video? No,
1170
01:10:51.520 --> 01:10:53.399
okay we'll get into that, later but, yeah go.
1171
01:10:53.399 --> 01:10:56.680
Ahead. Continue when he originally was questioned or something before
1172
01:10:56.720 --> 01:10:59.720
he went to, trial he tried to. Escape he runs,
1173
01:10:59.720 --> 01:11:03.680
Out they chase. Him he runs up this in a
1174
01:11:03.720 --> 01:11:07.920
building onto a. Roof he gets, cornered and he thinks
1175
01:11:07.920 --> 01:11:10.880
it's a good idea to, jump and he's trying to
1176
01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:13.359
jump into his tree and grab a. Branch the branch
1177
01:11:13.520 --> 01:11:16.439
broke and he fell and hurt his, back and he
1178
01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:21.840
was pretty easy to capture after. That but he was
1179
01:11:22.039 --> 01:11:23.159
in prison because.
1180
01:11:23.600 --> 01:11:25.119
Despite those two, things he's model.
1181
01:11:25.159 --> 01:11:29.119
Prisoner he's not a model. Prisoner he, is he's. Not
1182
01:11:31.520 --> 01:11:34.560
he wasn't violent in. Prison he was there for a
1183
01:11:34.640 --> 01:11:38.720
murder because he was a burglary and he shot and
1184
01:11:38.800 --> 01:11:43.159
kills someone and shot another person that was he pled. Guilty,
1185
01:11:43.239 --> 01:11:48.000
yeah so, yeah he did attempt In april nineteen ninety
1186
01:11:48.000 --> 01:11:53.840
one and that. Failed but then On october, ninth nineteen ninety,
1187
01:11:53.880 --> 01:11:58.199
two he did escape and it was. Successful he was
1188
01:11:58.239 --> 01:12:02.720
in an education room whatever that, means and him and
1189
01:12:02.840 --> 01:12:08.119
two other inmates climbed up the air. Vent they were
1190
01:12:08.119 --> 01:12:10.840
able to make their way up the air, vent which
1191
01:12:10.920 --> 01:12:14.439
then eventually they made it to the, roof so they
1192
01:12:14.560 --> 01:12:16.720
jumped from roof to roof till they got to the
1193
01:12:16.840 --> 01:12:19.199
edge and they were able to make the fifteen foot
1194
01:12:19.279 --> 01:12:22.880
chump down out of the. PRISON i guess they got.
1195
01:12:22.920 --> 01:12:27.359
Saw they've got. Saw, saw they got, seen they got.
1196
01:12:27.399 --> 01:12:30.479
Sawed that's a whole different that would be a whole different.
1197
01:12:30.520 --> 01:12:36.319
Problem they got seen right, away sound the. Alarms the
1198
01:12:36.600 --> 01:12:38.479
chase was on within forty eight.
1199
01:12:38.520 --> 01:12:41.680
Hours then clamoring down to like the second layer of
1200
01:12:41.720 --> 01:12:45.880
the roof made so much racket that the guy ran
1201
01:12:45.960 --> 01:12:50.640
outside and like it was actually a female officer runs
1202
01:12:50.680 --> 01:12:53.680
outside and sees, them, like, yeah they didn't get very.
1203
01:12:53.680 --> 01:12:57.640
Far well they, did because, well, yeah forty eight hours,
1204
01:12:57.720 --> 01:13:00.520
later the other two guys that he escaped with were,
1205
01:13:00.680 --> 01:13:03.800
captured but he. Wasn't they believe he stole a truck
1206
01:13:03.880 --> 01:13:09.319
two miles away and he. SCUPAYED i think he could
1207
01:13:09.359 --> 01:13:12.279
be In, washington he could be In. Oklahoma they don't
1208
01:13:12.279 --> 01:13:16.960
know exactly where he's. At so that's pretty much rure
1209
01:13:16.960 --> 01:13:22.680
on some mysteries leaves. Us they want this guy supposed
1210
01:13:22.720 --> 01:13:24.600
to be in prison for the rest of his life for.
1211
01:13:24.720 --> 01:13:29.319
Murder are you ready for your? Update give it to.
1212
01:13:29.520 --> 01:13:30.279
Me braby.
1213
01:13:31.159 --> 01:13:36.680
Captured he wasn't actually apprehended Until july, fifth nineteen ninety,
1214
01:13:36.720 --> 01:13:45.039
three so he made it almost, WELL i guess almost a.
1215
01:13:45.119 --> 01:13:50.439
Year he was captured In nebraska and sent back to.
1216
01:13:50.479 --> 01:13:53.199
Prison but do you think he stopped? There?
1217
01:13:54.079 --> 01:13:55.640
Oh, no, guys he he.
1218
01:13:55.680 --> 01:13:59.960
Doesn't, yeah so he ends up bouncing around a bunch
1219
01:13:59.920 --> 01:14:05.640
of different penitentiaries and then in federal prisons. Yep and
1220
01:14:05.920 --> 01:14:11.079
On april, fifth two thousand and, six he escapes again
1221
01:14:11.680 --> 01:14:16.800
by mailing himself out of this federal. Prison.
1222
01:14:17.000 --> 01:14:23.239
Yep he mails himself, out, yep and he, escapes goes
1223
01:14:23.279 --> 01:14:30.600
To canada and wasn't captured Until october of two thousand and,
1224
01:14:30.880 --> 01:14:32.520
Eight so he was free.
1225
01:14:32.279 --> 01:14:34.479
From five two thousand and. Seven in here.
1226
01:14:34.920 --> 01:14:41.479
Two is captured In. Canada SO i GUESS i.
1227
01:14:41.439 --> 01:14:44.199
Also read that while he was on the run In,
1228
01:14:44.199 --> 01:14:47.720
canada he vacationed back and forth between here At, America So,
1229
01:14:48.119 --> 01:14:48.560
america And.
1230
01:14:48.600 --> 01:14:52.359
Canada originally went To canada on the west, side Like vancouver.
1231
01:14:52.399 --> 01:14:55.680
Area he had a stolen. Vehicle he ran from The
1232
01:14:55.720 --> 01:14:59.079
canadian police, there then came back to THE, us traveled
1233
01:14:59.079 --> 01:15:05.319
across when back Into canada on the east, side and wasn't.
1234
01:15:05.159 --> 01:15:08.279
He caught by border patrol or customs In? Texas, oh
1235
01:15:08.279 --> 01:15:09.960
that might have been someone. Else he was on a,
1236
01:15:10.000 --> 01:15:11.680
train dang. IT i thought that was him at one.
1237
01:15:11.680 --> 01:15:14.039
Point that's how he or maybe they thought it was
1238
01:15:14.159 --> 01:15:18.680
him at some. Point but, okay, YEAH i READ i
1239
01:15:18.720 --> 01:15:20.920
swear it with. TODAY i was reading. Something at one,
1240
01:15:20.960 --> 01:15:24.279
point maybe they thought he was on a train In
1241
01:15:24.359 --> 01:15:28.199
Corpus christy trying to get across the, border and so
1242
01:15:28.680 --> 01:15:32.199
like customs and border patrol were like checking the train
1243
01:15:32.279 --> 01:15:33.960
tracks like crazy in that.
1244
01:15:34.159 --> 01:15:40.159
Area so he was got caught up, there sent. Back
1245
01:15:41.000 --> 01:15:44.359
he's now in maximum. Security he's in a, prison a
1246
01:15:44.359 --> 01:15:46.720
federal prison In kentucky.
1247
01:15:46.159 --> 01:15:47.960
To this, Day kentuck it all.
1248
01:15:47.920 --> 01:15:51.840
Right serving a life sentence plus a bunch of other.
1249
01:15:51.880 --> 01:15:55.640
Sentences first of other. Sentences, yeah SO i wrote down
1250
01:15:55.680 --> 01:16:00.319
some of his most popular escape. Tricks one time he
1251
01:16:00.399 --> 01:16:04.319
tried to escop a by greasing his wrists with chapstick
1252
01:16:04.439 --> 01:16:05.520
and slipped free from his.
1253
01:16:05.600 --> 01:16:09.479
Handcuffs that's his original. Arrest that's how he got.
1254
01:16:09.479 --> 01:16:13.079
So then crawling through the ventilation duck. System AND i
1255
01:16:13.199 --> 01:16:18.000
found out during the reason he was in that education
1256
01:16:18.159 --> 01:16:22.600
room was because the prisoners had gone permission to watch
1257
01:16:22.640 --> 01:16:26.800
a three hour screening of the Movie The Ten. Commandments
1258
01:16:27.479 --> 01:16:32.039
so they ESCOP a during the. Movie, well they weren't
1259
01:16:32.079 --> 01:16:36.479
following the. Commandment they were not following the. Commandments and
1260
01:16:36.560 --> 01:16:39.079
then the last one was hiding inside a parcel of
1261
01:16:39.159 --> 01:16:44.880
mail bags to sleep to slip Past louisiana's super max.
1262
01:16:44.760 --> 01:16:45.520
Prison that he was.
1263
01:16:45.520 --> 01:16:51.399
In, Okay so there is a video of him online
1264
01:16:51.439 --> 01:16:55.800
and it's dash. Camp so he was stopped by local
1265
01:16:56.000 --> 01:16:58.880
law enforcement after he got out of that parcel of.
1266
01:16:58.960 --> 01:17:04.760
Mail OH i did read about, this, Okay.
1267
01:17:03.880 --> 01:17:06.920
So all hands are on, deck so everyone's looking for this.
1268
01:17:07.000 --> 01:17:11.359
Guy so he breaks out of jail and ends up
1269
01:17:11.479 --> 01:17:16.800
chatting and literally shooting the shz with this honky tonk
1270
01:17:17.159 --> 01:17:20.640
little sheriff's, guy little patrol carp, guy just probably a beat.
1271
01:17:20.640 --> 01:17:23.640
Cop just a standard run of the male guy who's
1272
01:17:23.760 --> 01:17:25.840
on the phone with the people at the prison trying
1273
01:17:25.840 --> 01:17:29.960
to get a. Description he can't really get anything, solid
1274
01:17:31.600 --> 01:17:34.680
so they're just like shooting the breeze between the two
1275
01:17:34.680 --> 01:17:37.479
of them for over ten minutes on the dash. Camp
1276
01:17:38.560 --> 01:17:41.239
he ends up actually giving him two different names by.
1277
01:17:41.319 --> 01:17:45.239
Accident the cop doesn't catch it and like just tells
1278
01:17:45.319 --> 01:17:47.279
him to be careful because he claims the reason he's
1279
01:17:47.279 --> 01:17:49.479
all like sweaty and hot and dressed in this like
1280
01:17:50.159 --> 01:17:54.119
who's out for a? Jog and on the dash cam
1281
01:17:54.359 --> 01:17:56.960
is also the outside. Temperature like it's all a little
1282
01:17:57.000 --> 01:18:00.000
information on the dash camp it's one hundred and fifty
1283
01:18:00.079 --> 01:18:03.520
teen degrees. Outside middle of the. Day he says he's
1284
01:18:03.560 --> 01:18:06.720
out for a, jog and then it ends by him being,
1285
01:18:06.760 --> 01:18:10.479
like hey, man just next, time word of the, wise
1286
01:18:10.560 --> 01:18:13.479
if you're going out for a. Jog make sure to
1287
01:18:13.600 --> 01:18:15.840
just carry YOUR id with you in case you get stopped.
1288
01:18:15.840 --> 01:18:18.119
Again and it's likely you might get stopped again because
1289
01:18:18.159 --> 01:18:21.079
you do match the description of the man that just fled.
1290
01:18:21.119 --> 01:18:24.800
Prison have a good. Day sorry to bother. You at
1291
01:18:24.800 --> 01:18:26.840
one point in the, video he even is, like, well
1292
01:18:26.840 --> 01:18:29.039
if you were really, him you would have ran. Already
1293
01:18:30.840 --> 01:18:31.279
and so.
1294
01:18:32.720 --> 01:18:33.039
This was.
1295
01:18:33.079 --> 01:18:37.159
POSTED i found the full video On, reddit and on
1296
01:18:37.359 --> 01:18:40.720
The reddit thread there is a man that posted. THIS
1297
01:18:41.199 --> 01:18:46.000
A reddit guy posted. This ha haa HAA. OMG i retired
1298
01:18:46.079 --> 01:18:49.399
from the federal system about a year, ago and this
1299
01:18:49.560 --> 01:18:53.880
was shown to us every single year at an annual
1300
01:18:53.960 --> 01:18:57.439
train of what not to. Do still to this, day
1301
01:18:57.439 --> 01:19:00.680
it seems like this video is being circulated as, like a,
1302
01:19:00.880 --> 01:19:04.800
hey learn a lesson from this guy's. MISTAKE i don't
1303
01:19:05.159 --> 01:19:08.119
actually the, guy for someone who just escaped, prison plays
1304
01:19:08.159 --> 01:19:13.640
it super. COOL i, mean his acting, skills his ability
1305
01:19:13.680 --> 01:19:16.119
to JUST i, mean clearly he's known as like one
1306
01:19:16.159 --> 01:19:19.560
of the most crazy escape artists because he's a con.
1307
01:19:19.600 --> 01:19:21.560
Man he's a con man.
1308
01:19:21.560 --> 01:19:23.880
Trying to get out of. Prison, yeah because he KNOWS
1309
01:19:24.079 --> 01:19:25.720
i mean, really at the end of the, day he's
1310
01:19:25.720 --> 01:19:27.640
gonna spend his the rest of his? Life this why not
1311
01:19:27.720 --> 01:19:28.479
trying to get? Out?
1312
01:19:28.680 --> 01:19:35.279
Yeah, okay well. Everybody that is our recap of season,
1313
01:19:35.800 --> 01:19:40.760
five episode. NINE i will be. HONEST i just am
1314
01:19:40.800 --> 01:19:45.119
now realizing THAT i did not prepare a silly question
1315
01:19:45.199 --> 01:19:49.279
time or cheaty chet time With. Ben SO i, thought real, Quick,
1316
01:19:49.359 --> 01:19:51.560
ben since we did promise to people a few episodes,
1317
01:19:51.600 --> 01:19:55.399
ago we would go over our kind of road trip
1318
01:19:55.520 --> 01:19:56.439
of what we did for.
1319
01:19:56.399 --> 01:19:57.119
Our little.
1320
01:19:58.359 --> 01:20:01.880
Annual family vacation this. Summer SO i thought we could
1321
01:20:01.880 --> 01:20:04.000
just talk about that for a few, minutes just kind
1322
01:20:04.000 --> 01:20:06.039
of what we did on our road trip up To
1323
01:20:06.199 --> 01:20:11.199
Salt lake and call it. Good or is there anything
1324
01:20:11.199 --> 01:20:12.000
else you want to talk?
1325
01:20:12.000 --> 01:20:15.199
ABOUT i thought we already talked about, That BUT i
1326
01:20:15.199 --> 01:20:19.319
could be. WRONG i don't.
1327
01:20:19.359 --> 01:20:20.279
Know maybe we, are.
1328
01:20:21.680 --> 01:20:25.520
BUT i guess we can do it again Or i'm,
1329
01:20:25.560 --> 01:20:29.960
wrong WHICH i usually don't remember things the best BECAUSE
1330
01:20:29.960 --> 01:20:31.840
i have the worst memory there.
1331
01:20:31.920 --> 01:20:34.680
Is AND i actually listened to our episodes when they
1332
01:20:34.680 --> 01:20:36.560
come out and clock things When i'm, like, oh we
1333
01:20:36.600 --> 01:20:38.760
said we were going to do, that and then we haven't,
1334
01:20:38.840 --> 01:20:40.319
yet so we need to take care of. It we
1335
01:20:40.359 --> 01:20:42.640
got to take care of, it which reminds me speaking of,
1336
01:20:42.680 --> 01:20:44.960
that please leave us the five start reading a new,
1337
01:20:45.039 --> 01:20:47.880
review follow us wherever you get your, Podcasts share us
1338
01:20:47.920 --> 01:20:50.159
with a, friend and make sure to follow us on
1339
01:20:50.199 --> 01:20:53.920
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1340
01:20:54.000 --> 01:20:57.359
questions comments or, concerns Unsuff couplepod at gmail dot. Com
1341
01:20:57.560 --> 01:21:00.000
if you would like to support the, show there are
1342
01:21:00.079 --> 01:21:02.119
two links below Us support the show link and to
1343
01:21:02.199 --> 01:21:05.319
buy me a coffee. Link any and all things help
1344
01:21:05.399 --> 01:21:10.279
us continue to bring you these stories every. Week, okay
1345
01:21:11.119 --> 01:21:14.399
So ben AND i recently with our, family took a road.
1346
01:21:14.399 --> 01:21:17.039
Trip we were going up To Salt lake for a family.
1347
01:21:17.079 --> 01:21:20.720
Wedding we had an extra day of, vacation and we
1348
01:21:20.880 --> 01:21:23.159
have not it's just been so hot here and we've
1349
01:21:23.159 --> 01:21:25.800
been really. Busy we haven't gone on a, vacation so
1350
01:21:26.800 --> 01:21:32.640
we kind of tossed around the idea of Taking it's
1351
01:21:32.640 --> 01:21:36.119
a twelve hour, drive give or take From tucson To
1352
01:21:36.159 --> 01:21:38.640
Salt Lake, city and we've done it a handful of
1353
01:21:38.640 --> 01:21:41.159
times straight. Shots pretty simple to get up.
1354
01:21:41.199 --> 01:21:41.840
There it's a long.
1355
01:21:41.920 --> 01:21:45.199
Day it's one long. Day but we've got older kids
1356
01:21:45.319 --> 01:21:49.279
who all have like electronics that we can turn movies,
1357
01:21:49.319 --> 01:21:53.840
on we listen to. Books it's actually road trips with older,
1358
01:21:53.920 --> 01:21:57.359
kids is, hey, hey, hey easier than it was when
1359
01:21:57.359 --> 01:22:01.399
they were. Little so we talk talked about breaking it
1360
01:22:01.479 --> 01:22:04.000
up and taking a day and a half ish or
1361
01:22:04.039 --> 01:22:07.239
so to get up. There so we got up early,
1362
01:22:07.319 --> 01:22:10.039
morning like four o'clock On tuesday. MORNING i think we
1363
01:22:10.159 --> 01:22:13.840
got up, early and we were like out the door by.
1364
01:22:13.920 --> 01:22:19.159
SIX i don't even know, why you, Guys i'm Asking.
1365
01:22:19.199 --> 01:22:22.560
Ben he can't remember sometimes what happened twelve hours. Ago so,
1366
01:22:23.239 --> 01:22:25.720
YES i think we got run. FOUR i think we
1367
01:22:25.720 --> 01:22:28.760
actually left the house between five and five thirty and
1368
01:22:28.800 --> 01:22:29.199
we're out the.
1369
01:22:29.199 --> 01:22:31.239
Door, yeah you're, right because like twelve.
1370
01:22:31.279 --> 01:22:35.079
Hours we had a plan to see some of the silly.
1371
01:22:35.199 --> 01:22:38.840
Things this was not your standard like popular.
1372
01:22:39.159 --> 01:22:41.479
Stops we didn't really take the interstate.
1373
01:22:42.880 --> 01:22:45.239
Now we took the scenic. Group and actually there was
1374
01:22:45.520 --> 01:22:48.359
two scenic groups you could have. Taken so one is
1375
01:22:48.399 --> 01:22:51.680
Through flagstaff kind of through An indian reservation and then
1376
01:22:51.720 --> 01:22:57.359
through Like mohab like The stage, mountains iron, right is
1377
01:22:57.399 --> 01:22:59.279
that what it's Called Zi National park and all, that
1378
01:22:59.319 --> 01:23:01.680
like it's very. Pretty or you can go the other,
1379
01:23:01.760 --> 01:23:04.520
way which crosses a little bit Of route sixty six
1380
01:23:05.520 --> 01:23:10.399
and Through kingmen and goes To. Vegas and we decided
1381
01:23:10.439 --> 01:23:14.399
to go that, route and we started our day off
1382
01:23:15.520 --> 01:23:20.760
with our very First BUCkies. Experience no one in our
1383
01:23:20.800 --> 01:23:23.760
family has ever been To. BUCkies it there's only one
1384
01:23:24.359 --> 01:23:27.600
one and it only opened up like maybe a month
1385
01:23:27.680 --> 01:23:27.920
or two.
1386
01:23:27.960 --> 01:23:29.840
AGO i even think it had been a month when
1387
01:23:29.880 --> 01:23:30.359
we hit.
1388
01:23:30.239 --> 01:23:33.359
It and it you, guys you want to see chaos
1389
01:23:34.119 --> 01:23:36.479
A bucky's opening, up the first one in a whole.
1390
01:23:36.520 --> 01:23:40.720
State when we, went we were when it. Opened it was.
1391
01:23:40.840 --> 01:23:45.359
Crazy SO i actually went on my way To Backstreet,
1392
01:23:45.359 --> 01:23:47.840
boys so like a week, later but it was like
1393
01:23:48.000 --> 01:23:51.000
lunchtime ish because we didn't LEAVE i think till like ten. Thirty.
1394
01:23:51.119 --> 01:23:57.079
Here it was. Chaos, Really, oh it was. Insane so
1395
01:23:57.079 --> 01:23:58.840
apparently you need to get To BUCkies at six in
1396
01:23:58.880 --> 01:24:00.880
the morning because that's and no one is there or
1397
01:24:00.920 --> 01:24:04.000
whatever time we were there was pretty. Early so what
1398
01:24:04.079 --> 01:24:11.640
was your favorite part Of BUCkies? THERE i have got
1399
01:24:11.640 --> 01:24:14.479
the breakfast burrito and it was really. Good it was
1400
01:24:14.600 --> 01:24:17.640
the food is actually really. Good, YEAH i would say
1401
01:24:17.680 --> 01:24:20.119
we didn't. One we weren't in a hurry, her but
1402
01:24:20.199 --> 01:24:22.319
we did have a timeline of like things we needed
1403
01:24:22.359 --> 01:24:23.039
to kind of keep.
1404
01:24:23.119 --> 01:24:27.199
GOING i was, say you hear Like, BUCkies this.
1405
01:24:27.239 --> 01:24:29.680
Guy like people were, like oh ship like an hour and,
1406
01:24:29.800 --> 01:24:32.000
second we didn't even go to the merch.
1407
01:24:32.079 --> 01:24:34.520
SHOP i went over there with, you, said AND i
1408
01:24:34.640 --> 01:24:38.079
walked through it real. QUICK i wasn't, YEAH i MEAN.
1409
01:24:37.960 --> 01:24:42.000
I was there for, food road trip, snacks quick bathroom and.
1410
01:24:42.079 --> 01:24:43.399
Caffeine like that was my.
1411
01:24:43.560 --> 01:24:47.119
Like game, food like the places they have for actual.
1412
01:24:47.279 --> 01:24:50.159
Food it's Leg.
1413
01:24:50.319 --> 01:24:54.520
Your brisket burrito was. AMAZING i don't THINK i.
1414
01:24:54.560 --> 01:24:57.159
Didn't get the brisket SO i think someone got the brisket, taco.
1415
01:24:57.239 --> 01:25:00.000
The brisket, taco but yours had a combination of multi
1416
01:25:00.239 --> 01:25:02.199
meats and one of them was brisket and it.
1417
01:25:02.239 --> 01:25:05.319
WAS i got the breakfast breed. On it was. Legit
1418
01:25:05.479 --> 01:25:05.920
it was so.
1419
01:25:06.000 --> 01:25:08.479
GOOD i got something also called a beaver, tail which
1420
01:25:08.520 --> 01:25:12.479
is like this cinnamon. Sugar it's like a cinnamon but
1421
01:25:12.520 --> 01:25:15.159
it's like a flat pastry like croissant sort of. THING
1422
01:25:15.960 --> 01:25:19.760
i and it's. Huge that was probably my favorite, thing
1423
01:25:19.800 --> 01:25:22.560
next to like the breakfast food that we got was so.
1424
01:25:23.159 --> 01:25:26.119
Big gas station food, GANG.
1425
01:25:26.399 --> 01:25:29.439
I don't safely to. SAY i think most people don't
1426
01:25:29.520 --> 01:25:31.199
recommend gas station.
1427
01:25:31.399 --> 01:25:34.279
Some people do, it like especially there.
1428
01:25:34.159 --> 01:25:37.439
Was a place In, Winston. Oregon they had biscuits and
1429
01:25:37.520 --> 01:25:40.279
gravy there and it's like a Little chevron gas station
1430
01:25:41.239 --> 01:25:44.840
off like the little tiny highway whatever is there In Winston.
1431
01:25:46.319 --> 01:25:51.520
Peak, yeah But, BUCkies, yeah it was. Good.
1432
01:25:51.680 --> 01:25:56.760
Yeah so After BUCkies we headed up north and we.
1433
01:25:56.840 --> 01:25:59.239
Stopped we were stopping about like every two two and
1434
01:25:59.239 --> 01:26:04.239
a half. Hours we stopped At, Nowhere, arizona which used
1435
01:26:04.239 --> 01:26:06.840
to be this tiny little town and the only thing
1436
01:26:07.640 --> 01:26:09.760
it's middle Of noware and the only thing left is
1437
01:26:09.800 --> 01:26:14.720
like a welcome To nowhere sign and it's you can barely.
1438
01:26:13.880 --> 01:26:14.359
Make it out of.
1439
01:26:14.399 --> 01:26:18.520
It, Yeah and so we dinked around there and then
1440
01:26:18.520 --> 01:26:21.920
we noticed afterwards that most of our pictures there is
1441
01:26:22.079 --> 01:26:26.520
penis drawings because people have spray painted bodily things on
1442
01:26:26.600 --> 01:26:30.119
top of because it's completely abandoned and been. Vandalized So
1443
01:26:30.600 --> 01:26:34.119
i'd be very precarious of our posting because there was
1444
01:26:34.520 --> 01:26:38.800
spray painted peams. Everywhere ten out of ten do not appreciate.
1445
01:26:38.840 --> 01:26:41.880
That but it was a fun little. Stop but there's
1446
01:26:41.920 --> 01:26:43.479
nothing to do. There you just get out and like
1447
01:26:44.000 --> 01:26:47.520
see the sign and. Leave and then we went from
1448
01:26:47.520 --> 01:26:50.680
there To kingmen and drove Through. Kingmen you can do
1449
01:26:50.800 --> 01:26:54.039
like The root sixty six And kingmen is the town
1450
01:26:54.439 --> 01:27:00.319
That cars is based. On. Yeah, yeah like The radator,
1451
01:27:00.359 --> 01:27:04.000
springs like the mountain in the, background and the whole
1452
01:27:04.199 --> 01:27:05.760
vibe of the, town the shops and.
1453
01:27:05.800 --> 01:27:10.119
Everything see you can see where they got the inspiration
1454
01:27:10.239 --> 01:27:13.479
for the shops. Flows there's a body art yeah.
1455
01:27:13.640 --> 01:27:17.000
Place my kids are also super Into Percy, jackson and
1456
01:27:17.039 --> 01:27:20.239
part Of Percy jackson also takes place In. Kingman and
1457
01:27:20.640 --> 01:27:24.319
where like The, medusa there is A medusa or a
1458
01:27:24.359 --> 01:27:27.640
ceramic shop there with all of these like hundreds and
1459
01:27:27.720 --> 01:27:31.840
hundreds of outdoor Like greek statues and stuff like. That
1460
01:27:31.880 --> 01:27:34.039
and so the kids were all excited to see different
1461
01:27:34.039 --> 01:27:37.880
things from. There and then we got out there for a.
1462
01:27:37.920 --> 01:27:40.239
While there's there's a little year. There, yes say there's
1463
01:27:40.239 --> 01:27:42.520
A root sixty six. Museum, yeah that's.
1464
01:27:42.520 --> 01:27:44.600
Free you can go in and look. Around we didn't
1465
01:27:44.600 --> 01:27:46.319
go through the paid part of the. Museum we went
1466
01:27:46.359 --> 01:27:47.319
just into the little. One.
1467
01:27:47.760 --> 01:27:49.159
Yeah we were there to hang.
1468
01:27:49.199 --> 01:27:50.760
Out, yeah we didn't have as much.
1469
01:27:50.800 --> 01:27:53.960
Time and Then sarah's favorite, part.
1470
01:27:54.039 --> 01:27:56.880
My favorite place we went to WHICH i had actually
1471
01:27:56.920 --> 01:27:59.479
seen this on my radar when we like early days
1472
01:27:59.479 --> 01:28:02.800
of moving To arizona was a town Called. OATMEN i
1473
01:28:02.840 --> 01:28:05.239
actually asked my best, friend who's lived In arizona her whole,
1474
01:28:05.239 --> 01:28:09.000
life and she grew up in northern east side Of Northern,
1475
01:28:09.039 --> 01:28:12.119
arizona if she'd heard Of. Oatmen she had never heard of.
1476
01:28:12.159 --> 01:28:17.000
It So oatmen is completely abandoned ghost. Town nobody lives
1477
01:28:17.119 --> 01:28:21.359
there full. TIME i don't think there's some weird ramshack houses.
1478
01:28:21.359 --> 01:28:23.960
There don't think that they're being, monitored AND i don't
1479
01:28:24.000 --> 01:28:26.119
think they're up to code because they look like they're
1480
01:28:26.119 --> 01:28:27.680
being held together by two by.
1481
01:28:27.560 --> 01:28:28.079
Fours in their.
1482
01:28:28.119 --> 01:28:31.880
Ground, yeah there was a lot of buildings that were
1483
01:28:31.920 --> 01:28:36.920
condemned and shut down or fit to, Unsafe but at
1484
01:28:37.000 --> 01:28:39.760
one point it was a thriving little metropolis town that
1485
01:28:39.800 --> 01:28:42.720
had a very successful. Mind and if you know anything
1486
01:28:42.720 --> 01:28:47.239
about Northern, arizona a lot of the things that we
1487
01:28:47.479 --> 01:28:49.680
used back in the day to get in and out
1488
01:28:49.680 --> 01:28:54.039
of the mountains were. Burrows And i'm gonna be, HONEST
1489
01:28:54.079 --> 01:28:56.119
i don't know if there's a difference between a burrow
1490
01:28:56.159 --> 01:28:59.520
and a. Donkey i'm sure people are gonna write me
1491
01:28:59.560 --> 01:29:01.760
in me. Know if there is a, difference thank, YOU
1492
01:29:01.800 --> 01:29:02.079
i will.
1493
01:29:02.079 --> 01:29:03.760
Appreciate but.
1494
01:29:05.199 --> 01:29:07.479
They are pack, mules, Right they're used to get in
1495
01:29:07.520 --> 01:29:09.119
and out of things and they would carry stuff. Up
1496
01:29:09.119 --> 01:29:13.039
so when they, left because people sometimes treat their wark
1497
01:29:13.119 --> 01:29:17.359
animals not the, best they literally left the donkeys there
1498
01:29:17.439 --> 01:29:19.920
just to, die assuming like no one's here to take
1499
01:29:19.960 --> 01:29:23.560
care of, them they're going to. Die, well the donkeys didn't.
1500
01:29:23.600 --> 01:29:25.640
Die they hang out and they Are.
1501
01:29:27.439 --> 01:29:29.960
Yeah SO i don't know how the town shut, down
1502
01:29:30.079 --> 01:29:33.520
like a long time, ago because it's it looks like
1503
01:29:33.560 --> 01:29:36.760
A western, town like it's wooden, buildings like wooden.
1504
01:29:36.840 --> 01:29:39.199
Walkway it's it's a rough.
1505
01:29:39.279 --> 01:29:42.479
Town it looks like it's from The Old. West and
1506
01:29:42.800 --> 01:29:48.479
The burroughs have thrived there for generations and they come
1507
01:29:48.600 --> 01:29:51.000
into the town every day and spend the whole day
1508
01:29:51.039 --> 01:29:52.479
there and THEN i guess at night they leave and
1509
01:29:52.600 --> 01:29:56.159
go up to the grasslands. Area but the whole town
1510
01:29:56.199 --> 01:30:01.399
is inhabited by hundreds of, donkeys and they're so used
1511
01:30:01.439 --> 01:30:04.840
it's Like Yellowstone Old west. Style they're so used to
1512
01:30:04.920 --> 01:30:06.880
humans that they come up and they interact with you
1513
01:30:07.039 --> 01:30:09.600
and you can pet them and feed. Them when happened
1514
01:30:10.880 --> 01:30:16.079
AND i got bit as we were leaving because.
1515
01:30:15.800 --> 01:30:16.920
He wanted the food in your.
1516
01:30:16.960 --> 01:30:20.720
Hands, yeah so we were leaving oatmen because here's. Iting
1517
01:30:20.760 --> 01:30:22.199
you just kind of walked down the. Town it's a
1518
01:30:22.199 --> 01:30:24.960
long drive for not a huge, payoff but it was
1519
01:30:24.960 --> 01:30:27.600
fun because that's what we were there to. Do AND
1520
01:30:28.920 --> 01:30:31.000
i had a bag of that still had some food in,
1521
01:30:31.039 --> 01:30:33.560
it and there was one donkey left kind of at
1522
01:30:33.600 --> 01:30:35.439
the very edge of town as we were walking towards our,
1523
01:30:35.439 --> 01:30:37.920
car and AS i was walking past, THEM i went
1524
01:30:38.039 --> 01:30:40.039
to reach into my back BECAUSE i was going to
1525
01:30:40.119 --> 01:30:42.840
just give him the rest of my. FOOD i know
1526
01:30:42.960 --> 01:30:45.880
how to feed. ANIMALS i have been feeding horses and
1527
01:30:45.920 --> 01:30:48.760
things like, that and goats and donkeys SINCE i was a.
1528
01:30:49.039 --> 01:30:53.760
CHILD i grew up with these. Animals AND i put
1529
01:30:53.760 --> 01:30:55.800
my hand in the bag to grab the, food and
1530
01:30:55.880 --> 01:30:59.680
as it was pointing, out he latched on on top
1531
01:30:59.720 --> 01:31:02.239
of the bag like my hand was in the bag
1532
01:31:02.800 --> 01:31:04.199
and went to like rip the bag out of my,
1533
01:31:04.239 --> 01:31:06.760
hand but my hand was in the process of coming
1534
01:31:06.760 --> 01:31:11.279
out and like locked. Down and donkey's teeth are flat
1535
01:31:11.319 --> 01:31:13.479
and they are. SHARP i Was my hand came out.
1536
01:31:13.520 --> 01:31:16.479
Bleeding it was he got you, Good you got me.
1537
01:31:16.520 --> 01:31:21.000
Good AND i had to pop his jaw open because
1538
01:31:21.000 --> 01:31:23.680
he latched on because he realized he Had he thought
1539
01:31:23.680 --> 01:31:26.000
he had something in his, mouth but it was just
1540
01:31:26.039 --> 01:31:30.199
my hand so he wasn't gonna let. Go but, YEAH
1541
01:31:30.199 --> 01:31:33.600
i got bit by a, donkey, thankfully BECAUSE i think
1542
01:31:33.600 --> 01:31:35.640
my biggest concern, was, like, DUDE i don't know how
1543
01:31:35.680 --> 01:31:37.760
clean these guys' mouths. Are Now i've got like an
1544
01:31:37.800 --> 01:31:41.359
and it was like stinging for a long. Time but
1545
01:31:41.439 --> 01:31:43.640
we got there's no bathrooms even in this. Town so
1546
01:31:43.680 --> 01:31:45.880
we got out of omen, STOPPED i washed my, hands cleaned.
1547
01:31:46.000 --> 01:31:46.399
Up we were.
1548
01:31:46.439 --> 01:31:48.720
Good and, then which is.
1549
01:31:49.840 --> 01:31:57.359
Off, topic it's, funny is there's a federal prison In florence.
1550
01:31:57.439 --> 01:32:02.840
Here they have a program there and they take in
1551
01:32:02.960 --> 01:32:05.119
wild mustangs and.
1552
01:32:05.279 --> 01:32:07.760
Donkeys, OH i didn't really. Say also, too why have
1553
01:32:07.840 --> 01:32:08.239
they taken?
1554
01:32:08.319 --> 01:32:11.560
Donkeys they train them for what? Purpose they have put
1555
01:32:11.600 --> 01:32:14.239
little carts behind them and they ride on these little
1556
01:32:14.319 --> 01:32:18.439
carts with. Them, oh and they train. Them the inmates
1557
01:32:18.520 --> 01:32:19.439
get to do.
1558
01:32:19.479 --> 01:32:21.920
THIS i know that this is not the, joint but
1559
01:32:21.960 --> 01:32:23.880
there is a part of me that thinks that's really
1560
01:32:23.960 --> 01:32:26.800
unfair THAT i would get three square meals a, day a,
1561
01:32:26.920 --> 01:32:30.239
bed and for daytime, FUN i get to go hang
1562
01:32:30.279 --> 01:32:32.399
out with my. Donkey i'm, training.
1563
01:32:32.520 --> 01:32:33.439
And then they.
1564
01:32:36.199 --> 01:32:38.359
How DO i sign up for this program without being
1565
01:32:38.399 --> 01:32:38.920
a federal?
1566
01:32:38.960 --> 01:32:43.119
Inmate they train these guys these things and then they
1567
01:32:43.199 --> 01:32:47.119
auction them off and the donkeys go for like one hundred,
1568
01:32:47.119 --> 01:32:48.479
bucks one hundred and fifty.
1569
01:32:48.520 --> 01:32:50.039
Bucks why have we not bought a?
1570
01:32:50.079 --> 01:32:52.920
Donkey or AM i going to put a donkey back?
1571
01:32:53.000 --> 01:32:54.079
Here they don't take up a lot of.
1572
01:32:54.079 --> 01:32:57.319
Space it's just wild to. Me, yeah it's funny.
1573
01:32:57.399 --> 01:32:58.840
Anyway and THEN i think from there we went on
1574
01:32:58.920 --> 01:33:01.079
To Saint george and we actually had great time In Saint.
1575
01:33:01.119 --> 01:33:04.359
George we stayed at The hampton and In Saint. George
1576
01:33:04.640 --> 01:33:08.119
if anybody is ever looking for a hotel In Saint,
1577
01:33:08.199 --> 01:33:10.880
george first, off it was one of the cheapest places to.
1578
01:33:10.920 --> 01:33:17.680
Stay the customer service there was, impeccable the breakfast was.
1579
01:33:17.720 --> 01:33:22.239
GOOD i we've had some really shizzy experiences at hotels
1580
01:33:22.279 --> 01:33:24.279
over the last couple. YEARS i think SINCE, covid some
1581
01:33:24.399 --> 01:33:28.439
hotels have like not recouped in the how we treat,
1582
01:33:28.479 --> 01:33:34.079
people and sometimes the prices are. Insane AND i will
1583
01:33:34.119 --> 01:33:38.039
say This hampton in everybody there was the employees were,
1584
01:33:38.039 --> 01:33:41.039
Happy so whoever's managing it and keeping their employees, happy
1585
01:33:41.319 --> 01:33:43.920
way to. Go the food was. Great we ordered in,
1586
01:33:44.000 --> 01:33:47.920
wingers which we don't have here In, arizona and played
1587
01:33:47.960 --> 01:33:52.199
board games and hung out and had swim had an amazing,
1588
01:33:52.279 --> 01:33:55.199
time and then got up the cars. Wash, yeah we.
1589
01:33:55.239 --> 01:33:57.279
Did the kids all wanted to watch, cars WHICH i
1590
01:33:57.279 --> 01:33:57.600
thought was.
1591
01:33:57.600 --> 01:33:58.720
Adorable we all like.
1592
01:33:59.119 --> 01:34:01.560
Snuggled up in two queen. Beds and we have three,
1593
01:34:01.600 --> 01:34:05.640
teenagers you, know basically getting to have all three of
1594
01:34:05.680 --> 01:34:07.640
them like snuggle up in bed together and watch A
1595
01:34:07.680 --> 01:34:10.800
disney movie was like a mom wind moment for. Me
1596
01:34:11.600 --> 01:34:15.039
and then we ended the little road trip before we
1597
01:34:15.119 --> 01:34:17.239
left For Salt. Lake we got up super early in the.
1598
01:34:17.279 --> 01:34:21.199
Morning it was really. Hot it was very, hot and
1599
01:34:21.239 --> 01:34:26.359
we went rock hounding At Glitter. Mountain that is the
1600
01:34:26.479 --> 01:34:28.279
name of. It, yeah that is the name of. It
1601
01:34:28.359 --> 01:34:31.000
so of COURSE i was on it and was skeptical
1602
01:34:31.239 --> 01:34:34.199
him driving our mini van down the two mile dirt
1603
01:34:34.279 --> 01:34:35.359
road was very.
1604
01:34:35.479 --> 01:34:38.640
Entertaining, well it's longer than two. Miles it was like
1605
01:34:38.800 --> 01:34:40.000
four or five down the dirt.
1606
01:34:40.079 --> 01:34:42.359
Road ben was out of ten the whole way up
1607
01:34:42.399 --> 01:34:43.000
and down.
1608
01:34:42.760 --> 01:34:46.640
That road in a flat it's a bad. Day we
1609
01:34:46.640 --> 01:34:47.479
weren't really that far.
1610
01:34:47.560 --> 01:34:49.960
In we have TRIPLE. A see you, guys this is
1611
01:34:49.960 --> 01:34:52.399
our different personalities Is i'm, like it's, fine we'll figure it.
1612
01:34:52.439 --> 01:34:54.920
Out we got water and food in the. CAR i
1613
01:34:54.960 --> 01:34:57.800
could see the main road from where we were gonna
1614
01:34:57.840 --> 01:35:00.119
walk to the main. Road it's no big. Deal we
1615
01:35:00.159 --> 01:35:03.520
have TRIPLE. A it'll get figured. Out and Then ben's
1616
01:35:03.600 --> 01:35:06.079
driving three miles an hour the whole way down the dirt,
1617
01:35:06.159 --> 01:35:10.119
road like so stressed, that like we're gonna get a tire,
1618
01:35:10.319 --> 01:35:14.119
popped And i'm, like turn on the country music and
1619
01:35:14.359 --> 01:35:19.920
let's get after. It i'm not gonna point any fingers
1620
01:35:19.920 --> 01:35:23.159
about who the fun one is on our. Relationship you
1621
01:35:23.159 --> 01:35:25.000
can just take what you want from that story and
1622
01:35:25.199 --> 01:35:28.079
make your own. Determination and then we went off To
1623
01:35:28.079 --> 01:35:29.880
Salt lake and had a good time with our family
1624
01:35:30.000 --> 01:35:31.800
and got to go to our niece's wedding and it
1625
01:35:31.840 --> 01:35:33.720
was beautiful and fun and we had a good.
1626
01:35:33.760 --> 01:35:35.319
TIME i won.
1627
01:35:35.399 --> 01:35:38.279
One all, Right, okay well there you guys. Go if
1628
01:35:38.359 --> 01:35:41.239
anyone in their mother is even still listening to, this
1629
01:35:41.359 --> 01:35:45.720
we hope you guys have an amazing, week stay safe
1630
01:35:46.720 --> 01:35:48.960
and join us again. Here next. Week we're bed AND
1631
01:35:49.000 --> 01:35:53.399
i will wake up another episode Of bye