Conjuring UFO s, Consciousness, Parapsychology and Witchcraft with Susan Demeter (TSP Back in Time 2020)

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Okay, here we go, Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for
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joining me once again. I think tonight's gonna be one
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of my favorite episodes ever. Tonight we can really cover
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all the aspects of what we talk about on this
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podcast and some that we haven't talked about yet but
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fit into the realm of paranormal and what we talk
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about on this podcast. We're gonna be covering UFOs and consciousness,
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how it interacts with each other, you know, specifically conjuring UFOs.
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Is that something that's possible. We're gonna be talking about
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witchcraft and magic, something that we rarely haven't delved into.
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We're gonna be talking about an ancient uh. I think
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it's ancient Italian witchcraft called Strega, which was which I
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had heard about before on the Art Bell Show. But
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our guests and I can get more depth, deep into.
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And then I want to get into even the paranormal
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like ghosts and the afterlife and Polder Guy, because my
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guest has done research on that too. Let me tell
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you a little bit about our guests. She's very well
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researched and all these fields that I named. Her name
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is Susan Demater, Susan Demader is a Canadian born scholar, author,
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artists in which the themes of our writing, research and
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art in spirituality incorporate her lifelong interest in exceptional human experiences, UFOs, nature,
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social history, mysteries and cosmic magic. Susan has conducted scholarly
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research on behalf of the Defense Studies Department of the
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Canadian Armed Forces College in Toronto, Canada, on the topic
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of UFOs, and for the coastalor Parapsychology Unit at the
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University of Edinburgh, Scotland regarding poltergeist activity. Susan's writing and
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research have been featured in a number of publications, and
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she is a contributing essayist to Robbie Graham's groundbreaking UFOs
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Reframing the debate. Susan's essay explores the subject of UFOs
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through the lens of parapsychology. Susan is as actively investigated
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spook lights in Canada and her adopted at home Italy,
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including in the field work as an independent boots on
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the ground UFO researcher. Over the last two decades, her
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approach to the UFO subject has evolved from nuts and
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bolts more exotic and right brained drinking. Susan's first book,
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Cosmic Witch, was published in both English and Italian in
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August twenty twenty. She's also conducted a series of experiments
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based on inspired by the work of the late mathematician
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doctor A. R. G Owen and psygo therapist doctor Joel Whitten,
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probably known as the Philip Experiments, which will be the
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focus of her second book, Cosmic Witch Too, Pondering UFOs,
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Social Psi and Magic, which will be available in late
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twenty twenty one or Torony twenty two and Susan lives
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in the Apennine Mountains near Bologna, Italy, with her husband,
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astrophysicists and electronic musician Massimo Tira I hope I pronounce
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that right, and her home studio faces a mountain peak
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that was in ancient times considered to be a holy
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place by both Pagan's annually Christians, and it is there
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that the ultra terrestrials will ask her who they are,
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inspire her witchcraft in her art. Read more about her
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author online at Susandema dot com. Susan, thank you for
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joining me. How are you?
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I'm good? Thank you for asking me to be your guest.
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I'm really excited about talking to you too. I'm sure
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we're going to get into some really you know, interesting
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and intriguing topics, all the stuff I really love. That's
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why I've dedicated so much of my life to them.
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So again, thank you so much. I'm really excited to
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talk to you tonight.
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Oh, thank you. I really appreciate you taking your time.
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And just so you know, Susan's told us there's a thunderstorm,
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so if the power goes out, well, we'll just do
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this where she's there's a thunderstormers so she's at so
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we'll do this again if something happens. So first, I
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guess I want to talk to you about conjuring UFOs.
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Is this something that's possible with our mind or projecting
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our consciousness? I know Stephen Greer does his See five
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meditations and he's been able to have some success seeing
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UFOs with that. Would you say conjuring UFOs is similar
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in a way, but in a witchcraft sort of typeiche way?
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Well, yes, I think that it's certainly it's a component
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of that, or it's a part of that. It's I
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believe it's intimately related to our consciousness. And Stephen Greer's methods.
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I know that there's controversy surrounding doctor Greer, but the
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methodology themselves, and I've tested this out, they do work.
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I would say they would work probably for most people
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if you go out to one of these sort of
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sites where perhaps maybe more UFOs or spook lites are seen,
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and you sort of practice this methodology of eventually something
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will happen. So it is a part and part of that.
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I think that with the Conjuring UFOs, the second book
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that I'm currently writing, it's more they're different techniques, but
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they all involve sort of creative play, and they're sort
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of based on the work of the Owens in Toronto
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the nineteen seventies. So what that was was a series
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of experiments that were put together to see if a
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poltergeist and an apparition could be created by a group
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of people that were sort of pooled from the general public.
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They all had different backgrounds, but they all had a
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sort of an interest in this type of study, and
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what they wanted to do is to just just sort
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of see that they were actually creating something and that
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they weren't perhaps necessarily conjuring something that was outside of them.
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They got together these group of people and they created
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a fictional story about a ghost called Philip, and they
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sort of wrote the story together, they sort of did
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seance around this fictional ghost, and sure enough, now they
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never got an apparition of a ghost, but they did
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have all sorts of poltergeist activities like wrappings on the
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table and all this kind of stuff. And it was
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filmed in Toronto for a film company and on the
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regular television show the news like the Breakfast Morning Show
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filled them doing this, and they also some of them
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went to Ohio and they to the university there, and
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there were physicists that were testing their table and recording
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these knocks and trying to figure out the physics behind it.
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So they did have some success. And there were other
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groups as well that lay under the guidance of the
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same scientists who were trying to do the same thing
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with different levels of success. But the main one, the
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Philip experiment, which was conjuring Philip was the book that
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came out of it is really when I learned about
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this in the nineteen nineties, and I was fortunate to
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find a copy and a used bookstore, and I read
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this and I was so fascinated and I thought maybe
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we could apply this type of technique to UFOs, and
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so I did. I ended up conducting similar types of
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experiments with UFO conjuring UFOs, which, like I said, well,
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I'll be getting into that more in my second book,
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which will be really just getting into the meat of
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trying to manipulate sigh and maybe co creating with another
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intelligence to have these types of experiences.
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That's what I was That's what I was just thinking.
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I was thinking, do you think that somehow our consciousness
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I'll say this in the most simple way, because I
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think in simplistic terms, like do you think our consciousness
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is actually tapping into a source of extraterrestrial intelligence? And
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you know, because I've heard of other people doing that
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as well, like people you know, there's some people that
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will just have UFO sightings around them, and people say,
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there's certain people who say they can call out or
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not call out, but they can say that there will
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be a UFO somewhere and that will happen like this
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has happened before. What do you think is going on here?
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Well, I'm not one hundred percent certain, Like I from
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my belief standpoint, I don't have one hundred percent belief,
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like I don't have a one hundred percent idea of
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exactly what's going on, but I do feel that it
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is intimately connected to our consciousness, and that it is
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both an internal experience and an external experience in that
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I think it comes from deep within our own psyche,
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and we may be co creating with an extraterrestrial or
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an ultra dimensional or another maybe diligence, maybe the greater
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human consciousness, which is like you know, sort of thinking
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along the lines of the pair experiment and Robert Jahan
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and the ideas of a global consciousness. It could be
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that it's I'm not really one hundred percent certain what
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the intelligence is. If it's solely just us, I don't know.
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I don't think that's the case, but I do feel
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that it's intimately tied into our consciousness, and that if
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it is another intelligence, extraterrestrial or maybe even currently here
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and sharing our space with us, but we just don't,
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you know, normally experience it within our reality because it's
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a different dimension, then it's something that's coming from us
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and from them, and we're creating the experience and what
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we see as spaceships in fact, may not actually be spaceships.
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We're seeing them and experiencing them that way, but that
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may not be exactly what they are. So it's all
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very fascinating. And that's why I'm pushing forward with these experiments,
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is to try to hopefully maybe just chip a little way,
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a little bit at that iceberg at the surface, because
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I think we're only seeing the very very tip of
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it with these experiences. I think it's much more deeper
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than that.
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So I think so too. And it's really weird because
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if you, I mean, the reason why I lean towards
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interdimensional is because you know, well, first I've heard that
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these UFOs can pop in and out of sight, like
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that's only hearsay. But what I know from exper my experience,
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but from from real from what we have is David
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Fraver's testimony. You know, he's flying an F eighteen playing
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and everything's all physical, and he sees the tic tac,
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he engages it, it shows up on its radar. And
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now that's not to say that it is physical. I'm not.
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I'm not. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. I don't know,
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you know, like just like you know you know, we
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don't know in the end, like what I guess would
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go ahead. Sorry I was I was.
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Just going to interject, and I'm sorry, but I was
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just gonna interject. Because it's on radar. There has to
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be some physicality to it. And I mean, we know
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from numerous reports and from various country trees that they
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cast shadows. People have seen a shadow of a disc
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going by, so obviously something is breaking light. There has
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to be some physicality to it, at least partially, least
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for some of the time. But I'm not one hundred
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percent sure that what we perceive is actually what it is.
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It could be something else, or it could be symbolic
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of something else, or it could be a means of
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this other intelligence to try to communicate something to us,
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and so we might not be interpreted in you know,
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being able to interpret the message or the communication. It's like,
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you know, when you try to communicate with something that's
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so vastly different, like an insect or something is you know,
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we can't use our language or even our bodies to
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try and convey a message, so how would we even
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try to communicate It could be symbolic.
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So that's amazing thinking I don't even have anything to
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interject that. I mean, I've never heard anybody open up
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and attack the subject like that, you know, because I've
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always stuck to the interdimensional, because I guess it's easy.
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It's easy for me to say they're interdimensional, because you know,
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me as someone who hasn't done any of the studies
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like you. You know, I just know from what I see.
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And you know, like I said, I saw David Ravers's testimony,
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and I think interdimensional. But what you're saying opens up
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a whole new can of worms. I mean, it's really interesting.
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Yeah, there's just I think that really what we know
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is just this tip of an iceberg, just a tip,
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and hopefully you know, I used to think when I
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was younger, I would think that maybe, you know, I'll
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have an answer one day, and I don't think probably
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we will. But certainly with every little bit we do learn,
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and including when when you have people like you know,
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the Pilot Favor and Kevin Day and people like that
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that are coming forward that, you know, it just gives
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us that little bit more that that maybe something better
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questions can come out from from testimony like that than
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what we have. Even if we're never going to resolve it.
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Maybe within our lifetime. I don't know.
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Yeah, well, I'd love to pick your brain on this topic,
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I wrote. I wrote down a bunch of questions if
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you don't like, because I want to ask you about
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all this, because I what are your thoughts on alien
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abduction cases? Because there's some that have been like, really compelling,
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like Travis Walton's for example. I'm sure you know is
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because you study the subject. And then Betty and Barney Hill.
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Do you think that there's a possibility these people could
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have experienced something physical? Because because Travis was left and
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then found five days later, and I guess I could
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let you take it from there.
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From your answer, I think there is obviously there is
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physical and there is psychological trauma that can come from
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some of these sort of interactions with whatever this is
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that's doing this, the alien or the ultra dimensional or
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whatever is truly happening. There is some physicality obviously that
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is to it. But is that physicality coming from something
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that's happened internally or externally? I don't really know. I'm
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really fascinated by the work of Kenneth Ring, who was
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the first person to point out really that I'm aware
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of that death seems to a near death experience seems
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to have similar sort of patterns to the alien reduction narratives.
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Uh so it is. It is very fascinating to me.
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I was always interested in the fact that with Travis,
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his story of what happened isn't necessarily like the movie.
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And my first exposure to his story was through Fire
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in the Sky. The film by.
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Tracy didn't make very much justice. They really blew that
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up and made it sound bad. Right. Well, No, the.
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Movie is wonderful from a point of view of being
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a horror movie. And it's like I still occasionally revisit
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it because it's so cool, you know, and every time
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I live in it. Yeah, i live in a mountainous
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sort of area and I'm surrounded by by many many
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hectars of nature preserves, so there's lots of forest around here.
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drive and we're in the forest, and I think about
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that and it's like, oh, this is so similar to
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what happened to in Arizona, uh to Travis. Just the
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sort of scenery with the dense forest and the logging
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and all that. I think the movie is fine, but
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you have to take it like as a horror movie,
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because I mean, the truth of Travis's story is better.
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There's an immentary that was done that he was more
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intimately involved with, I think, with the production, and he
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really tells the story much better. And I think in
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the end he sort of feels that the beings whoever
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whatever they were, were actually trying to heal him or
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heal him from the trauma of being, you know, in
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that sort of I guess blast of light or you know,
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when they with the other loggers saw the disc shaped
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object with the blast of light that seemed to toss him,
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and I think he felt that he was healed of
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injuries by these beings in the end. So it wasn't
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it was traumatic, but maybe maybe in the end it
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wasn't as bad or they didn't there wasn't as bad
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attention behind it.
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So yeah, I want to transition into witchcraft because I'm
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really interested into in it, and I guess that's where
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we can get into the altar terrestrials too. But I
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want to get into your book Cosmic witch because I
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want to get your definition on witchcraft because besides researching
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and I dabbled in a few schedules in my life,
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and I may have even tried to spell her to
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and I haven't had much success. So my guess is,
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I mean, my question is what's your definition of witchcraft
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and how does that translate into your book Cosmic Witch.
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Okay, for Cosmic Witch, I discuss it's in part semi autobiography,
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but I discuss all sorts of different paths for the
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witch witchcraft, and which even just the word witch is
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very odd depending upon who you ask. But I mean,
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witchcraft for me is something that I began doing, I
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guess much at a much younger age without even really realizing,
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you know, working on magic, studying terrot, studying astrology, working
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with celestial energies, and sort of I would say, really
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having a worldview that changed ultimately because of these UFO
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and paranormal experiences. It's sort of at a very young age.
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Because I had these experiences, I sort of my view
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of reality was shifted to thinking there's a lot more here,
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there's another realm, there's something else than if I had
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not had those experiences. So in my book Cosmic Witch,
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I talk about my UFO experiences as initiations into magical
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thinking and towards my feelings and practices as a witch,
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which is very nature based. I'm a pagan, I'm an animist.
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I believe every I believe there's consciousness in all throughout
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the universe, and basically, uh so, that that is how
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I am a witch. And I'm also I'm I'm a
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self practitioner. I'm sort of out on my own, uh so.
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But I do in the book discuss various traditions in
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modern witchcraft and and how people you know, can perhaps
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explore those more if they're interested in paganism and witchcraft,
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because it's something that is really growing. I think, certainly
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in Western culture, the interest is really really growing.
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Well, I think it's been suppressed for a really long
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time by the Catholic Church. And I think we can
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both agree that the Atticant archives hid so much stuff.
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And I don't know if you want to get into
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that a little bit. How the the study of witchcraft,
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and I'm not just talking about I know, and my
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question I said spells and schedules. I know that's only
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maybe maybe like two percent of witchcraft. I know, it's
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about nature and and and like you said, celestial energies,
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and stuff like that. Oh, well, sure I do.
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I do do spell work, and I have worked with sigils,
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and it's I have an altar. I have more than
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one altar actually depending upon what I'm doing. But I
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have my basic honoring table or my altar. I do
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do daily sort of gratitude and offerings to local spirits
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here in the forest in the mountains where I live,
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and I do work with various spirits and goddesses. Uh,
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And so I like that is is a hold of things,
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but it's a very sort of eclectic. Witchcraft can be
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very eclectic, and and it really depending upon the person,
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the path that they follow, can can incorporate many different things.
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So yeah, now, now I noticed you said boddices, and
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I noticed your name was Greek Demeter, because I'm Italian
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and Greek myself, so I know a little bit about
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Greek culture. Did did do you? Do you believe that
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there were once time gods and goddesses or do you
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mean when you say goddess you mean nature?
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Oh for me, my, my. There are the traditional goddesses
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obviously that the Greek pantheon and the Roman pantheon, and
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there are other goddesses depending upon the cultures you know
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that that you know you're drawn to, uh for me
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and Celtic and and and and Indian and so forth.
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But for me, I mostly work with nature spirits. But
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I do have goddesses, and I guess for me, the
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goddess for me is the Cosmos herself. So I call
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her the Great Star Mother, the Great Star Goddess, and
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that is that is something that works for me. Other
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witches have other gods and goddesses they work with. Some
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don't at all. Some strike out in a different way
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or view being a witch in a different sense. So
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it really it depends on the individual and the group.
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Yeah, I guess it depends. Now in your bio it
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says the ultra terrestrials inspire witchcraft. Would that be the
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same thing? Would that be if you can say it's
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considered the cosmos? Or would you say that was that
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would be like a group of entities that you would.
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Oh, these these these that that tends to be more
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like the the the entities that I associate with the
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with the UFO question, so and the little beings that
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maybe perhaps I I interacted with as a child, which
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also I talk about in the book. So I I
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just name them as ultraterrestrials because that my experiences of
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all here on Earth. So as far as I know,
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they're terrestrial or terrestrial oriented.
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So can you I worrow that?
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I orrow the older I missed a big part of
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this interview. I should have asked you, if you don't
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mind about your childhood and if you could talk about
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your experiences, if you don't mind, could you get into that?
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Yeah, sure I can.
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I can.
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The earliest experiences I remember are very dream like and
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sort of I when I was old. I've wondered perhaps
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they were more imaginary in nature, like having an imaginary friend.
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But I used to, like when I was very small,
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you know, kindergarten age, have like this, these experiences with
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this little blue being boy who I would go behind.
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My mother had this sort of these big heavy curtains
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that were along a sort of bay window, and I
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would climb up in there with my stuffed animals, and
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I would meet this this being there, and we would
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sort of go on this shamanic flight trip to different places,
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and we had our own language that we would speak,
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I guess through telepathy, and it was like these adventures
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that we were having and that sort of stopped after
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my sister came along. So I wondered, if, you know,
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as an older personal, maybe this was just an imaginary friend.
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But I don't really know, because after that, when I
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was about, I guess six seven years old, I started
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seeing these little beings, and the first time was in
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a sort of a new build that my parents were
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because I was no longer an only child, so my
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parents were looking to upgrade their home and they went
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to this area where there was these new builds, and
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I was They brought me along with the realtor and
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I was excited, and they sort of let me run
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around the house a little bit, and while they were
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the grown ups were doing their talking, and I ran
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into this one room and it was all exciting because
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there was the sort of like skylights and I'd never
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really seen skylights before, and I was so excited, and
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I thought, oh, you know, I want this to be
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my room because this is so cool. There's you can
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see the sky and that. And I remember running around
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and thinking, I'm going to go tell my parents that
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I've picked out my bedroom. This is going to be
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our new house. And I turned around and there was
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a man a little man standing there in the corner
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of the room just sort of frowning at me like
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I had kind of done something wrong or bad. And
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I remember look at and thinking this is impossible, Like
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this is not who is this, This isn't a person,
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This isn't this person shouldn't be here. It was like
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already in my mind, I knew this, this is an
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impossible thing, okay. And after that initial experience, and by
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the way, I was scared, so I kind of my
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whole demeanor changed and I really didn't want to live
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in that house anymore. And thankfully the deal that my
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parents they had put money down the habit it kind
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of fell through, so we ended up not moving to
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that particular place, and I was really happy about that.
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But after that experience, I started regularly seeing these beings
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sometimes in my bedroom, sometimes during the day, and as well,
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I would see eventually a wolf, and it was a
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large wolf that would come and be with me and
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like be beside my bed at night. And the wolf
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was like, you know, would to me and it was
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like my protector. Like I would be on my bed
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and I'd have all my little stuffed animals and stuff
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guarding me around my bed from these little beings and
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this wolf, and then that eventually stopped when I was
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like a preteen, but I sort of as a teenager
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and as a young adult kind I started getting into
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Jungian psychology and that, and I sort of sussed out
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the fact that I was the wolf. I created the wolf.
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The wolf was there to protect me from whatever these
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beings were. At the time, thought they were ghosts because
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that was the only thing that was sort of in
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my you know, that I could understand, and I guess
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maybe being a kid watching Scooby Doo knowing about ghosts,
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I thought these are ghosts. But then later on as
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an adult, I had UFO experiences which led me to
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UFO research and finding things like Crowley's Lamb and other
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sorts of ideas of homunculus and that that related them
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more to the uff and perhaps the gray aliens.
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So it could have been the gray aliens that were
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visiting you the entire time, could have been you. I
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want to go on a sidetrack for a second, because
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one of the questions I have for you is about
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what do you think about death in the afterlife? But
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I guess I can ask that question now because you
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mentioned Jungian psychology, and when I think of Carl Jung,
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I think of the Tibetan Book of the Debt, which
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honestly completely freaked me out. I tried reading it, but
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then I started contemplating my own peril. You know, when
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when that would be and how it would go down?
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And am I going to end up in the Lower
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I can't remember what they called it, the Lower Astral
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or something, but that you know what'll wear your for
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I guess what were your thoughts on the Tibetan Book
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of the Debt.
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First off, I think that it's it will work for
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Tibetan people. I think, I think. I think that really
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our experience in death is going to have a lot
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to do with our culture and our belief system. Again,
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I think that this is all intimately tied to consciousness.
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I do feel that consciousness survives death. But then if
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we are in a world of thought, then we are
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going to be or information. Then it's going to be
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subject to our our cultural and our own beliefs and
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and that sort of thing. I don't think that there's
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any one specific thing. Many different religions speak about different
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types of afterlife, and that there are some sort of
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common features with some, but I really think it's it's
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going to be dependent too upon ourselves and how we
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feel and at the time when our times come.
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What do you think about reincarnation? Do you think it's
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a possibility.
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I do. And I've known many people that you know.
485
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I really I know them very well and I respect them,
486
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and they have given me insights into their own sort
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of past lives. I don't have any past life memory
488
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to me either. I sometimes I'm really drawn to the seas,
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So I sometimes joke that maybe I was a mermaid
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or a selkie or something in a past life. I
491
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don't know, some sort of mythological being.
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It might be with your culture, because like I think
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I said, I'm greeting Italian too. And I've always been
494
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drawn to the ocean. I don't know why, but I was.
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I've always been drawn to not many rivers or anything
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00:31:31.400 --> 00:31:34.160
like that, the ocean in particular. I was always drawn
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to the ocean. So your research on ghosts and polder Geist,
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like what kind of uh theory? If you don't mind
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me picking your brain? Like, what did what did you
500
00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:48.799
come up with that? I mean, what do you think
501
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:52.559
about ghosts? And polter geist. Do you think ghosts maybe
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your human consciousness existing in some other form and poltergeist
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or something we make up.
504
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I think it really it depends on the individual cases.
505
00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:09.039
I mean there I am strongly oriented towards scientific parapsychology
506
00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:14.240
and the idea that with some of these pultrscus it's
507
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it's an expression of somebody's like a person that's gone
508
00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:22.880
through a trauma or is having a hard time, and
509
00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:27.680
they cannot properly express that. It may be expressed in
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sort of psychokinesis. So that's the sort of the physical
511
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effect of consciousness on the physical environment, whether it could
512
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be things being tossed about or that sort of thing.
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I think, And I discuss a bit scientific parapsychology as
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well and sigh and how I feel it's related witchcraft
515
00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:51.640
in my book as well. But again, like with all
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00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:55.759
of these things, there's no one hundred percent answer that
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to me is satisfying. At this point, it's all still
518
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:04.000
very mysteriou is beyond these things do happen, and they
519
00:33:04.039 --> 00:33:09.000
have been measured. SI has been measured, But beyond that,
520
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:14.799
it's like I'm not one hundred percent certain on anything.
521
00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:17.319
We don't know for sure what. Yeah, it's like even
522
00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:20.720
with that, none of us. But my whole book point
523
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:24.119
of this podcast is to get brilliant people like yourself
524
00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:27.119
on my show and really pick your brain to see
525
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:29.559
what you think about it. I mean, you don't have
526
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:31.599
to be right or wrong, you know what I mean.
527
00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:34.319
I just want to have a conversation and I just
528
00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:37.200
want to know what you think, because like I started
529
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:40.000
this podcast because I wanted to know. I wanted to
530
00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:42.839
interview a lot of more people on the paranormal obviously,
531
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and on UFOs and what happens when we die, you know,
532
00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:50.519
that's a big thing for me. And so I really
533
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don't I think when anybody that comes on here, I
534
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:56.279
don't think there's any right or wrong answer unless somebody's
535
00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:58.920
thinking really far out and it just doesn't make any sense,
536
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you know. But I mean, and you know, I think
537
00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:04.880
you're right. I don't think we have an answer. I think,
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like you said, like things can be measured, and you know,
539
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:13.320
you can get down to brass tacks about everything, but
540
00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:16.480
we really know. In the end, I had a guy
541
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come on my show. He was telling me that you
542
00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:21.840
could measure how ghosts were in the room by putting
543
00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:25.239
talcum powder on the floor of a haunted house or whatever,
544
00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:27.480
and they would walk through and you would see the
545
00:34:27.519 --> 00:34:32.239
ghost footprints. So obviously that was consciousness continuing on in
546
00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:35.960
some other form. But another reason why I wanted to
547
00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:38.320
have you on for my own personal reason, and I
548
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:40.880
hope my audience is interested in this because I am,
549
00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:43.320
and it's what I emailed you about it. I wanted
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to talk to you about Strega witchcraft because I think
551
00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:49.440
it's an interesting subject. You know, from what I know,
552
00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:52.159
it's a more ancient form of witchcraft that comes out
553
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:54.559
of Italy. And the reason why I know about this
554
00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:56.360
is a pagan woman who used to come on the
555
00:34:56.480 --> 00:34:59.159
Art belt Show. In my mind, she's a legend. Her
556
00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:02.440
name was Evelyn HAGLINI. She opened up so much to
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00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:06.880
me about using color and just so many different things
558
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:09.079
she brought on the Art Doll Show when I heard
559
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at a young age, and she was the only person
560
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that people I knew that I knew our background was
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straga and she said it came from her ancestors. What
562
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do you know about Strega and how it differed from
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general witchcraft?
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Yeah, well, there there is there is a sort of
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a school so to speak, of witchcraft Stragerina, which as
566
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far as I know, is Italian American, meaning that it
567
00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:47.519
really came about from sort of the people who emigrated
568
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from Italy, maybe even a century or so ago, that
569
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were bringing sort of.
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Their customs and traditions from Italy to America. So with
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any type of folk magic, it's going to take on
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00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:05.440
the flavor of culture. So as a North American, because
573
00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:09.519
I'm originally from Canada and I've been living in Italy
574
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for a couple of years now, what we do in
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North America versus what happens in Europe can be can
576
00:36:18.920 --> 00:36:23.079
be different because we're we have our own sort of
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customs and things that also incorporate our new world. You know,
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00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:30.159
an American is still you know, it's going to be
579
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an American. You know, you can come from different parts
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00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:36.159
of of the world and at the end of the day,
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you're still an American. Whereas so so that so, so,
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as far as I know, there was a fellow I
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think his name is Robin Grameci who was a uh
584
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he came from from does he descended from immigrants from Italy,
585
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and he sort of really popularized that form of or
586
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that school of sort of Italian American witchcraft. What people
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don't really realize. I think some people don't realize in Italy.
588
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Italy is actually fairly new as a country. It only
589
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has been really a country since I think it was
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eighteen sixty. So what you have is you have diverse
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regions throughout the country, like you have all sorts of
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like in where I am an Amelia Romagna, there's a
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00:37:33.599 --> 00:37:38.159
huge Celtic influence, many redheaded people, many people looking like
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00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:42.760
they're displaced from Ireland that run around here. There's Lombardy,
595
00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:47.239
there's Soutirole, there is the South and Sialy and Naples.
596
00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:51.079
In these places are quite diverse as well because of
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00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:54.280
their culture, because they used to be very like fiefdoms,
598
00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:56.880
like little sort of like there would be like warlords
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00:37:56.920 --> 00:37:59.880
that were running this part of the fiefdom and that
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one in that. So there's different schools of magic that
601
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run throughout Italy. So I wouldn't say there's one Italian
602
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:11.880
sort of witchcraft, but there's many, many different types of
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00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:15.719
witchcraft and ways of being a witch in Italy today.
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So yeah, I know, tell you something funny. Me and
605
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my friend laughed about this last night because I told
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I was talking about it, and I was telling him
607
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that I was having you on the show, and I
608
00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:30.199
mentioned Strega and and I forgot that it is, and
609
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:34.239
I knew that it was an Italian American tradition. And
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the reason why I know this is that have you
611
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:38.480
ever heard of them? This is a joke, but it's
612
00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:40.639
not a joke. Have you ever heard of the malok?
613
00:38:41.079 --> 00:38:44.800
They someone cast the ey on you, that's called the maloy.
614
00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:49.559
That's an American tradition. That's something we say that somebody
615
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:52.079
cast the evil eye on you, that you would have
616
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:54.440
bad luck or something like that. They would call that
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00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:55.880
the Maloit isn't that.
618
00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:59.719
I think it is, I it is, but it is
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all So I talk a little bit about the evil
620
00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:05.559
eye as as a way that women would use to
621
00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:08.000
avoid rape and other things.
622
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:11.000
You know, the evil eye is a thing. And I
623
00:39:11.440 --> 00:39:16.360
did talk to a friend of mine who's Nonah apparently
624
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:19.800
taught her about the evil eye on Christmas Eve. This
625
00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:23.519
is a tradition, but again that's more something maybe that
626
00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:28.119
would be Southern Italian. So it depends on on you know,
627
00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:31.599
like there's different things like in sort of northeastern far
628
00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:35.480
north eastern part of like Foruily in Italy there's a
629
00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:39.559
lot of Austrian sort of influence and in Suturole because
630
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:43.159
at one time they were parts of Austria. So it
631
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:46.000
really it's it's wonderful being in a country that is
632
00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:51.559
so diverse and but yet still unified. But yeah, so
633
00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:55.280
it depends each each region. There's different types like and
634
00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:59.239
where I live in in Bologna, there's there there are wits,
635
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:02.920
but they're also which is that are very shamanic, and
636
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:07.360
then they're they're myself. I'm I'm a self practitioner. There
637
00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:10.039
are others that are like me as well. So it
638
00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:13.760
really it all depends on on you know, like each
639
00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:17.000
region has its own sort of cultural influence and background.
640
00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:21.199
And but the the strict arena that's popular in America
641
00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:24.719
that also it has a lot of American flavor too,
642
00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:28.679
and as it should, because you're part of magic. Is
643
00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:31.400
is everything that's around you. It's it's it's it's what
644
00:40:31.480 --> 00:40:34.440
you're you're you're breathing, it's how you're living, it's what
645
00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:37.320
you're eating, it's what you're being a part of. You know.
646
00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:41.639
Yeah, and I wanted to ask you a question that
647
00:40:41.679 --> 00:40:43.480
I have here on my list that I have so
648
00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:46.199
many questions. I'm sorry I won't make this a long interview,
649
00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:49.000
but I have to admit this is a fun conversation.
650
00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:52.079
I tried to make it interesting because, like you know,
651
00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:54.559
I wanted to be interesting for you as well, because
652
00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:56.840
I don't want to just be han you with all
653
00:40:56.880 --> 00:41:01.599
these questions. But No, when you think about magic or spells,
654
00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:06.480
do you think that, like maybe eighty or ninety percent
655
00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:09.800
of that is consciousness and intent or do you think
656
00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:14.800
that if there's ingredients involved in a spell then that
657
00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:17.440
helps the spell as well, or do you think it's
658
00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:18.840
the intent and consciousness.
659
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:23.159
I think that the larger part of it is intent
660
00:41:23.320 --> 00:41:28.880
and consciousness, and we're literally sort of gaming the system,
661
00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:31.719
just kind of shape reality in ways that we would
662
00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:35.000
want it to be shaped. And for a different witch,
663
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:40.199
certain ingredients, certain methods, certain things, certain tools will work
664
00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:43.159
better than others. So it really depends, I think, on
665
00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:47.760
the person in my book, as far as tools and
666
00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:50.880
rituals and things go, I say the most important ingredient
667
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:55.320
is the witch herself or himself, you know, because the
668
00:41:55.400 --> 00:41:59.559
men can be witches doe. So but I do think
669
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that because again with my background in parapsychology, I do
670
00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:10.320
sort of lean towards consciousness and sort of our own
671
00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:16.840
psychnatural abilities, which I believe everybody has. That those those
672
00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:20.119
that's the real thing that's at work. The ritual and
673
00:42:20.159 --> 00:42:24.159
the ceremony, and that is just something to help keep
674
00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:28.159
our left brain occupied while the right brain is doing
675
00:42:28.239 --> 00:42:31.880
sort of the communications and the and the shaping of
676
00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:34.800
reality and communicating with the spirits.
677
00:42:35.719 --> 00:42:37.800
Okay, and this is one of the last questions I
678
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:40.599
have for you, But it's really interesting because on your
679
00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:43.920
thought basis that a lot of things come from consciousness.
680
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:46.239
I want to get your ideas on this and tell
681
00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:48.639
me what you think. I interviewed a guy who was
682
00:42:48.639 --> 00:42:52.840
doing magic, and I didn't realize until until halfway under
683
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:57.400
the interview that he was sacrificing and evoking demon that
684
00:42:57.559 --> 00:42:59.960
was his way of doing magics. What are your thought
685
00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:02.639
thoughts on demons and what are your thoughts on people
686
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:06.199
evoking demons? Is that as form of consciousness as well?
687
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:08.760
Or what would you say to that?
688
00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:15.159
I would say that when you're working with spirits or
689
00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:20.280
you're you're you're invoking certain certain beings that you should
690
00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:25.079
do so with all due respect and caution. You know
691
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that I don't think that it is something that should
692
00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:32.400
be taken necessarily lightly, although people do and and without
693
00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:36.039
any sort of harm coming to them, I would still
694
00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:41.000
say that people should be very aware and of what
695
00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:45.400
they're doing and approach any of these types of things
696
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:49.760
with all due respect. You know, knowledge is power, so
697
00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:51.920
make sure you know what you're doing.
698
00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:58.039
Yeah. So, And the last thing would be, would you
699
00:43:58.159 --> 00:44:00.880
like to talk any more about your new book, or
700
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:03.760
any last impressions on the audience that you want to leave,
701
00:44:03.880 --> 00:44:06.719
or any anything else you'd like to say before we
702
00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:07.320
finish up?
703
00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:13.519
Sure, I mean, if if people would like to see
704
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more of what I do or what I'm about at
705
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:21.559
least my My main sort of online cupboard is susandemeter
706
00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:25.639
dot com. From there you can sort of snoop around
707
00:44:26.119 --> 00:44:28.880
and UH and find all sorts of fun little like
708
00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:32.679
goodies and and and and other links to to things
709
00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:36.159
that I am involved with with or or projects that
710
00:44:36.199 --> 00:44:40.280
I'm doing. I also I can give a shout out
711
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I'm going to be involved in UH in doing a
712
00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:46.960
spook Light presentation which is free to the public for
713
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:52.199
the Anomaly Archives dot org. There it's a fundraiser for
714
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:55.840
their stream athon, so they are looking for for help
715
00:44:55.880 --> 00:44:58.440
and donations and keeping their building alive. This is the
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Anomaly Archives in Texts, which is a physical building where
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people can go and get all sorts of occult texts
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and and and paranormal things and and sort of things
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that you might not be easy to find otherwise. So
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I'm going to be putting up links to that.
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Uh.
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And then of course, and there's my book, now, the
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book I have, can I hold it up? This is
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the This is the Italian the witch L'strega, which is
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pretty much the same as as the English. The English
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here is Cosmic Witch and uh. And again it's sort
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of it's a foundation to other books that I'll be
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writing that will involve sort of social sigh and conjuring
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of UFOs with different methods that I've tried. And with
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anything with magic, it's it's like what has worked for
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me in the past probably won't work for me now
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in the present of the future, and it may not
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and will it never works the same way twice. But
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the next book will be like a magical cookbook so
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to speak, that you can kind of take a peek
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in and see the experimentation I've done and sort of
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how that's worked out for me in regards to actually
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trying to make contact and making contact with what we
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would consider UFOs.
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Yeah, well I can say to end this, I can
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just want to thank you first off, and second, I
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think you have a really cool thing going. That's to
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break it down in simplest terms, I think they're really
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whatever and say, oh this is but I'll just say
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it's really cool because not many people make parapsychology. That's
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basically it's parapsychology. If you're mixing the paranormal UFOs witchcraft,
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I mean you kind of do it all. And that's
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that's really going. I think the audience will really receive
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as well.
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I hope so. And thank you so much for having
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me as your guest. I've really enjoyed talking to you.
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Okay, yeah, thank you, and uh, we'll have to do
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it again sometime when you're next when the second book
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comes out, you can come on again and we can
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talk and more about it.
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Absolutely, let's keep definitely let's keep in touch, all right.
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Thanks